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July 1, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Facebook Begins Asking Users To SNITCH On Friends And Family w/ Chris Martenson
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tim pool
You Because Facebook isn't creepy enough
Apparently, people have been getting messages asking them, are you concerned that someone you know is becoming an extremist gets support?
There's also messages that say things like, Kevin, you may have been exposed to harmful extremist content recently, and they're warning people that nefarious actors are trying to manipulate you, to manipulate your anger and your rage.
And you must click the Get Support button because only Mark Zuckerberg knows how to make you feel better.
Well, we're going to talk a whole lot about censorship, extremism, and where that's bringing us because, well, it's all we really can talk about these days because of the censorship.
You see, joining us today is a scientist, PhD pathologist, Dr. Chris Martinson.
chris martenson
Hi, it's good to be here.
tim pool
You are an expert on many things scientific, including vaccines and, you know, testing, laboratory work and medications.
That's fair to say, correct?
chris martenson
Yeah, I've spent a lot of time in and around labs, test tubes, pipettes.
tim pool
So the question everyone, everyone is dying to know, you know, these very, very important questions.
What do you like most about Joe Biden?
chris martenson
Mostly every time they trot him out, I just, I can only think elder abuse.
tim pool
You're not the first person to say that.
I like his strength and his zeal and his patriotic fervor.
Yes.
Yes, truly one of the greatest presidents of all time.
And a bit aside, there's a lot that we're going to talk about in the members podcast at TimCast.com.
And it's really serious stuff.
You got a PhD.
I mean, but that doesn't matter.
I mean, people in the chat already, when they saw that your name was in the title, they're like, all right, this is a band.
chris martenson
Yeah.
tim pool
So we're going to be very, very careful.
We're going to have a nice, fun, family-friendly critique of censorship and these big tech companies and Dr. Fauci.
And then over at TimCast.com, we'll get real serious with what we can.
So bear with us.
We'll have some fun for this next couple of hours as we normally do.
And then we're going to have a lightning in a bottle for TimCast.com.
But thanks for coming.
chris martenson
Thanks.
Thanks.
Good to be here.
And this is a little bit, I am kind of toxic, you know, so my first video out to the world about coronavirus was January 23rd, 2020.
By February 5th, my wiki page, which had been up for 12 years, got yanked.
tim pool
They deleted it.
chris martenson
They deleted it.
tim pool
12 years you had at Wikipedia.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
You're this PhD pathologist.
You've got, you've got a YouTube channel as well.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Lots of followers.
chris martenson
Yep.
tim pool
Not notable anymore though.
chris martenson
I was a non-notable person according to Wikipedia.
They said, well, this guy, yeah, he was a scientist, but what has he done lately?
And of course, this is some editor who maybe graduated high school, maybe not.
We don't know, right?
It's just some anonymous person claiming that I don't have scientific cred because they said so.
But yeah, that was that was just within less than three weeks after I said, hey, there's this thing coming out of China.
Because remember, let's rewind.
That was back when the media was all like, it's just the flu, bro.
Right.
tim pool
And YouTube actually censored me for even bringing it up.
It's really weird how this thing has progressed, especially with censorship.
But we'll get into this.
We'll start with this first story.
So thanks for being here.
We got Ian Chillin.
ian crossland
Thank you, Tim.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
Ian Crossland up in the house.
Chris, awesome to see you again, man.
And you have a lot of experience with like regenerative farming.
I don't know.
Do you have a hands on experience with farming and stuff?
chris martenson
Well, I have a farm.
So I'm practicing.
I'm bad at it, but I'm getting better.
ian crossland
What's your farm like?
chris martenson
Well, we got three cows.
We got about 30 chickens.
We're getting a couple of pigs when I get back this week.
tim pool
So you would say you have a veritable chicken city.
unidentified
I do.
chris martenson
Yes, we have little baby chickens because we've got the rooster.
Don't get the rooster, okay?
tim pool
We got a rooster, he's been screaming his mouth up.
chris martenson
Just makes noise.
tim pool
You know what's funny is, every time I walk up, he looks at me, and then he mounts one of the chickens.
ian crossland
Because I think he's- That's a power move.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
No, I think it actually is.
Because he only does it when I go up there, and they know that I'm the one who goes in, and I'm the boss, and I'm the one who always, you know, shoots them out of the way.
So he's like, hey, yo, look at me.
He jumps on a chicken.
ian crossland
You've raised those chickens well, because they're real nice to me now.
If I get near them, they come up to me and they're really excited to see me.
It's a great feeling.
tim pool
Well, we'll talk about chickens and farming and censorship.
We got Lydia as well.
lydia smith
Politics of Chicken City notwithstanding.
I'm also here.
These chickens are very cute and enjoyable.
They'll come up and try to bop you with their beak.
But we should probably get to talk about stuff.
chris martenson
All right, enough chickens.
tim pool
Here's what you gotta do, my friends.
You gotta go to TimCast.com and become a member because I think, you know, Ian mentioned what someone hit you up and they were like, can you just do an hour less of the main show and an hour more of the bonus show where we get real dark?
ian crossland
I would love to.
I love just letting loose, man.
unidentified
It is my passion.
tim pool
Think I think there may come a time where we have to consider like some episodes like something like this We might have to reduce the amount of time for this instance We'll just keep it like we normally do but I mean I was thinking about this before we even got started with the show I'm like going off the checklist things of like we'll get banned for that.
We'll get banned for that We'll get banned for that.
We'll get banned for that.
Why are we even doing a show on this platform?
Well, there's a lot of people who we need to like let them know where to find these conversations so it's like If we just stop going on YouTube, a lot of people would be confused and lost.
One of the things that really helped, we started changing the name of the members-only podcasts.
And all of a sudden, everyone's like, I can find it now!
It was so hard for me to find.
And so, I'm just, I'm trying to balance that we have, you know, we get hundreds of thousands of people who watch these episodes every night.
And how do I inform every single person?
I could go on Twitter.
I could tweet.
People don't see it.
So we'll do the show to the best of our abilities.
But we can talk about a lot.
We can talk about censorship.
We can talk about comments made by Fauci, why we don't like the guy.
And then we can talk about scientific expertise and a lot of the stuff that YouTube doesn't allow us to over at TimCast.com.
Again, I will also add, check the alpha for the new site.
Everyone's morale just like went through the roof.
It looks amazing.
We're super excited.
We are going to be launching the Mysteries podcast soon, which is excellent.
Shane has another article up right now, actually.
Let me see if I can pull it up right here.
There we go.
Shane Cashman.
The Pentagon sees a balloon. So this is a long story talking about saucers, UFOs, and breaking
things down. It's really, really incredible stuff. So you want to check this out. And that's going to
be part of a new podcast as well. So that being said, let's talk about how these creepy jerks are
making it difficult for us to have real conversations. PCmag.com says Facebook
prods users who've been exposed to extremist content to get help.
This is where it's getting weird.
It's getting real.
It's getting weird.
Look at this.
Are you concerned that someone you know is becoming an extremist?
We care about preventing extremism on Facebook.
Others in your situation have received confidential support.
The other one says, Kevin, you may have been exposed to harmful extremist content recently.
Violent groups try to manipulate your anger and disappointment.
You can take action now to protect yourself and others.
All right, you can take action.
Everybody listening, you can take action right now.
You can smash the like button, subscribe and share this video.
That way people can get a non-corporate opinion on why this is creepy and freaky.
chris martenson
That would be a peaceful action, though, of course, right?
tim pool
Very, very peaceful, pressing that like button.
lydia smith
Peaceful smashing.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the big conundrum about these networks.
Everyone's like, why don't you get off YouTube?
And it's like, bro, we upload to Rumble now.
We're uploading to Rumble.
Not that it's perfect.
We've always uploaded.
Have we?
I don't think IRL is on mines, but my personal account has always been on mines.
IRL is on mines.
Yeah, we want to, and we want to make sure we're leveraging the networks as they exist to the best of our abilities so we can keep the network alive.
Think of it this way.
The way I said it before is like, do you retreat from a battlefield where you're still holding some ground, just because you're like, that battlefield is completely open?
It's like, not necessarily.
Hold the ground you can.
And so there's a lot of things we can't talk about, and it's getting worse.
I'm texting some of these other big podcast people right now, and I'm like, yo, what's going on?
Like, there's breaking news, we can't talk about it.
Like, I email Google, and I'm like, hey, look at this story, and they're like, well, you know, and I'm...
All right.
Can't say these things.
That's insane.
That's how bad and broken this is.
ian crossland
I've noticed, I think our presence here is helping guide the YouTube behavior and like terms a little bit because I noticed they relaxed their swearing measurements and they're like, you know what?
Go for it.
If you want to cuss, feel free.
Because it's like, it's just so entertaining.
And if we start cussing, it's hilarious.
And they know that and they want it to be hilarious.
tim pool
I don't think that's us.
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
But let's talk about this Facebook thing.
Look at this.
They say confidential support.
Who do you think at Facebook is going to be the person that will reach out to you when you're like, help, help, I've seen a post from Ben Shapiro.
ian crossland
Like a psychiatrist that they hired?
tim pool
It's gonna be some woke 20-year-old!
Or I mean, to be completely honest, it's gonna be like some 20-year-old college student from India.
unidentified
No joke.
tim pool
I mean, outsourcing call center stuff.
You're gonna get someone who's, you know, probably got a checklist of like, do you feel like you are sad and depressed?
unidentified
No.
Okay.
tim pool
Did Ben Shapiro touch you in any way?
ian crossland
Emotionally?
chris martenson
When you said exposed, I was thinking, I don't know, is this about my uncle or what is this about?
What's going on here?
ian crossland
These social networks have like huge psychology departments to take care of their admins because the admins see such vile and vicious things as they're going through like making sure like blown off arms or like horrific stuff.
So I wonder if they're using those same therapists to help now, but I don't know.
It's kind of vague.
tim pool
I mean, I don't know what they expect to get out of this other than creeping people out, but I want to show you this meme from Carrie Wedler.
It says, are you concerned that someone you know is becoming an extremist?
We care about preventing extremism on Facebook.
Others in your situation have received confidential support.
And then of course there's Obi-Wan Kenobi says, well, of course I know him.
He's me.
Yes, we've all been exposed to this content, but define extremist.
unidentified
Sure.
chris martenson
Well, about what?
tim pool
Political dissident?
lydia smith
Yeah, when I first saw this I thought for sure that it was about Black Lives Matter and Antifa, but of course I was not correct.
Of course they're only talking about the right-wing extremism that they say is the biggest threat.
Obviously it should be BLM and Antifa.
But it's not.
And I feel like this is a flex from Facebook.
They're just like, oh, we're just going to show them what we can do.
We're watching you.
We can see what you're looking at.
We can see what you're liking.
chris martenson
It's creepy.
It's absolutely creepy, of course.
And it's kind of like that old definition of, you know, what's porn?
And the Supreme Court just said, well, I know when I see it, right?
It's going to be one of these things, right?
tim pool
We can't operate that way.
chris martenson
No, we can't.
tim pool
You need to be able to define what you're talking about.
chris martenson
Right, so I've been searching my brain.
I'm like thinking, when was the last time in history it was awesome when censorship showed up?
Like, when did that work out real well?
Was that the Nazi book burnings?
tim pool
Well, the U.S.
Office of Censorship.
chris martenson
One, so... World War II.
tim pool
Loose lips sink ships.
chris martenson
Yeah, but, you know, if you're talking about OPSEC, that might be just a little bit different from saying I'm going to talk about a scientific paper, which somebody approves of, right?
It's a very different, very different beast.
So what I find interesting in this is that all, remember, I have this, I'm cursed with this memory, I can remember all the way back to the last election, right?
Remember, there was all this concern like Nazis, Nazis, Nazis.
They were everywhere, right?
So what are the Nazis famous for?
Well, I think they're really famous for marginalizing and, you know, shutting things down.
Well, that's exactly the environment I feel like I'm living in right now.
So I've had people call me up and say, Chris, you don't understand.
This is exactly like what it was like when I was in Cuba, right when the whole revolution was going down.
This is what it was like.
Well, this older guy, you know, during the Soviet times, right?
tim pool
Have you have you heard about the parents in Loudoun County?
chris martenson
No.
tim pool
Was it Loudoun County where that woman said, it's just like the culture revolution or whatever?
lydia smith
Yeah, Chinese mother.
chris martenson
The struggle sessions?
Yeah.
Is that where we are?
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's shocking that, you know, there was something I wanted to ask you about.
You know, you were talking about vaccines.
You were talking about efficacy.
You were talking about medical treatments.
What's your favorite color?
chris martenson
Blue.
tim pool
Blue.
Excellent.
Wow.
Ian?
ian crossland
Green.
tim pool
Green.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Thanks, YouTube.
It's been a blast.
This is the kind of content you want on your platform.
chris martenson
Ha ha ha.
ian crossland
Swear word.
I just learned that green is in the middle of the human vision spectrum.
So it made me think that maybe we developed the ability to see green first.
And maybe that's because trees and grass are green.
Magnesium and chlorophyll is green.
So we just evolved to see that was the first color we started to notice.
tim pool
Dude, I am fairly optimistic.
I have to be honest.
I was getting pretty pessimistic for a while, and then Michael Malice, who's a constant influence on this show, is very optimistic because he's always mocking and laughing at these people.
Now, I do get some concern when he says things like, you know, look how dumb these people are.
How could you possibly be worried about losing the culture war?
Or something to that effect.
And I'm like, yeah, zombies are dumb too, but sometimes the zombies take over.
ian crossland
They never stop.
tim pool
Yeah, like, and they turn other people into zombies.
So, when you see the zombie, like, headbutting into a door and, like, just bouncing, and they're like, look how dumb it is, and then 10,000 of them start marching towards you, you do get scared.
But I am optimistic for a lot of reasons.
As I've been saying recently, the night is always darkest before the dawn.
Maybe it's bad right now, but...
Look at the stuff we've been able to do over at TimCast.com.
We've hired a couple more writers.
We've got a new editor coming on.
We got new podcasts.
I am confident that YouTube will be forced by the market to stop doing what they're doing.
Or I, I, I'll say this.
I really don't think it's going to be Republicans.
They're going to, they're going to be like wagging their finger for next five years and nothing's going to happen.
But, uh, I, I should say, I don't believe 100% that the market is going to force YouTube to change, but, uh, look at Joe Rogan.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Joe Rogan left YouTube, um, for the most part, took a deal with Spotify and he was able to host Brett Weinstein and, uh, who was the other guy?
chris martenson
Pierre Coyne.
tim pool
Yeah, and we can't repeat what they said on that show.
ian crossland
But it is a great show, and I highly recommend everyone, everyone watch that show.
tim pool
And the New York Times wrote a pseudo-hit piece on Joe recently, mentioning the conversations they're having.
Now, I'm not entirely convinced Spotify is happy with the conversations they're having, but he's got a deal, and they can't just ban him.
So it allows, it's like, it's like Joe got himself locked into place on a platform that probably would have banned him if he did it independently.
If Joe, well, Joe being Joe, they probably would have loved it if he just went to Spotify.
But if, uh, for a channel like this, if we did the same show as Joe off of YouTube, Spotify would probably ban it.
They had all those employees at Spotify trying to get Joe banned, but he's got this deal where he's locked into place.
chris martenson
And he's got 11 million listeners, so what are they going to do?
He's got more listeners than nearly all of mainstream media, so he's got power.
tim pool
Is that the metric that's come out?
11 million listeners?
chris martenson
I don't think that's the last one I heard.
tim pool
He has like 10 million subscribers on YouTube, or is it like 11 million subscribers?
I'm wondering how many people still listen to him on Spotify though.
lydia smith
I don't anymore.
tim pool
Yeah.
I, I haven't no, no disrespect.
Like Joe's rad.
Consider him a friend.
I haven't checked out.
I haven't been able to see one of his shows.
There was one instance where a show came up and I like tried pulling up Spotify to figure it out.
And I just like, I give up, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
There's a little barrier of entry.
tim pool
I used to just pull up the thing on YouTube with no problem, and I would have it playing to my left while I'm reading news and stuff, and I'd just listen for a couple hours.
ian crossland
It's harder.
I have so much respect for Brett Weinstein, so I will go the distance for him.
And Joe, of course.
But weirdly, because I was like you, I didn't get Spotify, I wouldn't get it, I was like, F this.
But when you see these people... I mean, he's friends with some of the most influential and amazing humans on Earth, so I'm going.
I'm going for that.
And Spotify knows it.
Their valuation after they paid Joe, whatever it was, $100 million or whatever, is up like billions.
Billions of dollars.
tim pool
I know.
And I regretted not buying any of that stock.
Because I'm pretty sure a bunch of people knew that it was happening.
And then I didn't even think about it.
And then instantly, as soon as they announced it in the press, it skyrocketed.
I'm like, weren't people talking about that behind the scenes?
Like, didn't someone tell me something about that?
I gotta pay attention more to this stuff.
I don't think that's insider trading, though.
I have nothing to do with the business.
Someone just mentioned, hey, I think this thing's gonna happen.
I'm like, eh, I don't know, I don't care.
chris martenson
All right, darkest before the dawn, though.
I gotta tell you, I know a lot of people have been cancelled and censored just in the past two weeks.
tim pool
It's getting worse.
chris martenson
Big stuff, right?
So this woman who works for the FLCCC, Joyce, she writes this really big article called... The FLCCC?
Oh, sorry, that's the Frontline COVID Critical Care Doctor.
That's Dr. Pierre Corey.
So my first YouTube strike happened when I was reviewing his testimony.
So he was in front of the Senate, had like 8 million views.
I thought, this is safe.
So I took his thing.
I pulled three clips, just reacted to the three clips saying, hey, you should listen to what he's saying here.
It makes sense.
That was my first strike.
tim pool
They gave you a strike.
That was recently.
They took down this guy's Senate testimony.
chris martenson
They did that too, but they gave me the strike for reviewing the testimony, right?
tim pool
I wonder if they're going to get mad at us for mentioning the testimony at all.
I wouldn't be surprised.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
They might get mad, but it doesn't violate any terms to talk about banned content as far as I know.
To reference it.
tim pool
Crowder got a strike for mentioning CDC data.
It's they don't care, man.
They're carpet-bombing channels.
And so people are like, Tim, why do you keep saying talk to your doctor so much?
First and foremost, I genuinely believe a private doctor knows more than Rogan, Fauci, or anybody on TV.
But also it's like, when we do segments for this show, We do a two-hour podcast.
Of course, in the context of the live show, I'll say something like, it is my genuine opinion that, you know, your medical history to a private doctor, like your personal doctor, he's gonna know what's better for you than anybody on TV or whatever.
But then when we do another segment, because we break them up, That context has to be in it as well, otherwise we'll get banned.
I'm not exaggerating.
So if we talk for 10 minutes, and at the beginning of it I say, make sure you go to your doctor, we make a clip where we're like, here's what Dr. Chris Martenson was saying, and it has to be included.
YouTube specifically told me that.
And then if we make another 10 to 15 minutes, we're talking about something else, and as soon as it comes up, I have to say it.
Otherwise we get banned.
ian crossland
OK, well, it's good information, too.
It's not just hyperbole.
It's not just it's not just a show of faith.
I mean, you really do want to talk to your personal doctor about your personal medical business.
tim pool
I know it is.
This is what Candace Owens was saying was like, why are people so dumb that they're going to like listen to a comedian and then take that as medical advice?
People need to have some responsibility for their actions.
That's a really good point.
Like the media gets mad at Joe Rogan for having an opinion on vaccines.
And it's like, yeah, we do.
It says a lot about Our society that... Maybe it's just more about YouTube and their faith in humanity versus humanity in general.
Like, if someone did a podcast where they said... I'm not even gonna make a hypothetical because YouTube would be mad at me.
But if they did... If someone said something like, you know, ride your bicycle backwards, it's fun.
And then a bunch of people just went and did it and got hurt.
YouTube genuinely believes people will watch people's... Like, they genuinely believe people will watch YouTube channels and then just instantly be like, I'm gonna do everything they just did.
Like, without thinking about it.
They all jumped off a bridge.
Well, isn't that too?
chris martenson
Isn't that kind of the divide?
So I trust the people who follow me to be intelligent and take responsibility.
And they do.
I trust them.
YouTube has this other sort of patrician attitude, which is, listen, we know we can handle this information, but we're worried about other people, right?
So it's this very sort of looking down that they believe that all these other people are going to do really dumb stuff.
So remember, way back when there was this whole thing, and I don't even know if I can say the word, but this woman gave this This guy died from this fish tank cleaner and they used it and used it and used it and used it and then his buddies wrote and said, by the way, Bruce was a really careful guy.
He was an engineer.
He never would have spoon stuff in.
And by the way, his wife was new and she was a complete raging, you know.
bitch. And so they were a little worried that maybe something had happened because you know
guys tend to if they're gonna off their partners they do it violently and women choose poison so
it's a very old story and so there's a real story there that somebody could look at and
the media just ran with it over and over and over again that that's the danger this one case
that well happened and it's much more complicated than has been presented.
tim pool
Yeah, if Trump says something, it's gotta be wrong and bad.
Yeah.
There was something funny happened recently.
Trump goes to the border, right?
And Kamala Harris won't go to the border.
She won't deal with immigration.
Trump announces he's going to go there and he did.
And he had, he had a press conference with Greg Abbott.
And of course then Kamala immediately is like, okay, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.
Apparently she went to the wrong place.
Like she went to somewhere.
unidentified
It wasn't relevant necessarily, but close.
tim pool
I yeah, I noticed someone someone noticed this on Twitter.
They said I think it was Politico put out Trump's having a very very bad day
And they mentioned like I think the CFO from Trump organization was indicted on like not paying taxes on
benefits Which is the weirdest thing like yeah, but like
This is such a slap on the wrist level offense Usually they're just like, hey, you owe us a million dollars.
And they go, okay, here's your million dollars.
Have a nice day.
They actually indicted the guy for not paying taxes on his benefits.
And so anyway, you see this email come out saying Trump is having a really bad day.
And it's like, they're just lying in wait to say if Trump does anything, we need to shut down that conversation before it could happen.
So Trump supporters are watching, right?
ian crossland
We have this reoccurring conversation about leaders and followers and who is what and the danger of too many leaders.
But I'm interested to hear what you think about just the nature of humanity that we sort of segment into this one leader and a bunch of followers.
And it's almost now that society thinks that they've just like, this is how it's going to be.
There's a bunch of people that are followers by nature.
You can't change it.
It's human nature.
So we have to protect against that.
These people at the top, or whatever, that are supposedly trying to build a world around that concept.
What do you think about that?
chris martenson
Well, if listen, I'd be all for, I would love to be able to relax into the idea that you have a good, competent leader out there.
unidentified
Right.
chris martenson
But I don't, I really honestly think our leadership right now is taking us in a direction.
This horrifying every dimension.
I look at this, right?
So the federal reserve is now printed.
It has a balance sheet.
That's $8 trillion.
Look at the price for cold rolled steel.
Look at the price.
I mean, we just have inflation raging and all they can think to do is their precious stock market.
They're going to keep throwing money and it's the dumbest thing ever.
Right.
And that's the leadership we have on the economic side.
But I got to tell you, again, still, I look at what's happening ecologically around here in terms of species loss, particularly at the bottom of the food chain.
One does not willingly lose the bottom of the food chain.
We're losing insects.
Because we're losing insects, we're losing the birds.
And, you know, it's going to be one of those things where you can't quite predict what's going to happen.
People are like, oh, you know, you lose a few honeybees, we get some honeybees.
But eventually you lose one too many species.
And then the next thing you know, you have this mysterious brown mold going across your crops.
You don't know what's happening because there is something too complicated to understand.
So we need our leadership is taking us down the wrong direction, but they have one unifying thing.
If you can make money at it, it's an okay thing, right?
ian crossland
Regarding the bees, we talked a little bit about the bees dying and colony collapse disorder and that it's linked to neonicotinide.
chris martenson
Those things are the worst.
I wrote about those in 2015, right?
It was completely obvious what had happened back then.
This is, everybody heard about maybe DDT and Silent Spring, Rachel Carson's book.
We said, oh, never again.
We learned our lesson.
We didn't.
We've created a worse thing with the neonicotinoids.
First off, they don't just target your insect species you want.
They're a biocide, not an insecticide.
A single coating on a kernel will kill a bird.
Second thing is it has a thousand life half day.
So you're a farmer, you spray it on your field.
A thousand days later, half of it's still there.
But you know, you farm every year.
So you spray a little more in 365 days and it's just now accumulating.
To the point, I was standing under an apple tree in, I live in rural Western Massachusetts.
We live next to the largest contiguous wilderness area left in Massachusetts, four square miles.
It's beautiful.
And we had no bees.
No bees this spring.
No little ones, no big ones, no bumblebees, no honeybees, nothing.
tim pool
I went outside earlier.
We had a bunch of blackberry bushes everywhere.
And they're called wineberries.
I thought they were raspberries, but I guess they're wineberries.
That's like an East Asian variant, which is invasive, whatever.
And they're delicious.
They're everywhere.
But I went outside and we got the little white flowers growing everywhere.
There was like a thousand bees.
Like bumblebees.
Now, when I grow up, I was always like freaked out because I'm allergic.
But it's yellow jackets you're worried about.
I walked through a field of flowers and the bees, and the bees were chilling like my own business.
They don't care.
Yeah, they're chill.
chris martenson
Just don't step on them.
They're totally happy.
tim pool
They're good people, you know?
unidentified
They are.
chris martenson
They're very good.
tim pool
They did their thing.
I did my thing.
They're helping make the berries come in and everything.
Oh, I found some pawpaw, too.
I'm really excited about that.
chris martenson
Did you eat one?
tim pool
No, they're not ready yet.
They're tiny, but it's going to be really great.
We're really excited for this.
But anyway, back to the more serious topic.
There we go.
chris martenson
I've talked about leadership.
tim pool
Yeah, I've talked last time you were on the show.
You mentioned that like not just colony collapse disorder, but like
insect populations in general have been on the decline and it's
interesting when I talk to people who are in the more political space
like you're a scientist, you know, I talked to people in the political
space and they're like, oh all this climate change stuff all this
overpopulation stuff.
It's not true.
It's it's political.
And I'm like, oh, we had this guy I was talking about, like, I think you mentioned last time, like, ocean dead zones, too, or did I?
I may have brought that up.
But yeah, like, what's your opinion on what's going on with the insect populations collapsing, with that stuff?
We're deviating a little bit, but we'll rope things back, but I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
chris martenson
Well, thanks, because this is really the core of what I do in the world.
I'm trying to talk about that we're at a very unusual time in human history.
Not U.S.
history, not Chinese history, not Indian history.
Just human.
And we're at a point now where there isn't a spare continent, like there isn't an extra place to go, right?
Even the, you know, the WF crowd, the Davos crowd, they have the Great Reset, and they open with one of their slides, they say, by 2050, we're going to need three planets of resources, but we only have one.
What we can do, right?
So it's actually a major driver of politics, finance, you know, futures, hopes, dreams.
So it's a big deal.
But I like to drive things down to little anecdotes so that it makes it easier to understand.
So I'm reading these papers.
These scientists have said, hey, all the salmon smelt are swimming upside down and falling and dying.
It's not cool because you're trying to save the salmon, right?
And they look into it and they find out that the salmon are missing thiamine, which is a B vitamin.
Just, it's missing.
So then they go scouring all over the world and it's missing from the whole, it's missing from the oceans everywhere.
unidentified
Whoa.
chris martenson
So how did we, humans, how did we, how did we, how do you mess up the thiamine cycle?
Right?
It's crazy.
I mean, it's like, there's all these science articles about it.
That one thing alone, I'm like, we've, we've done something that has damaged the ocean so severely that the fish can't reproduce, which means the birds can't eat.
So bird, oceanic bird populations down 70%, right?
You push that to a point.
We live in a complex ecological web, and we don't know.
This is the dread.
You don't know when that one thread snaps.
And now it kicks into a new state of being, which we might not like.
We might not find it so awesome.
We don't know.
But we should have a little humility and back up a tiny bit, I think.
tim pool
You're basically saying that a lot of this stuff's true.
I mean, we've got, uh, you know, colony col- what's it called?
Colony collapse disorder with the bees?
Yep.
And- and we need pollinators.
chris martenson
Badly.
tim pool
And I- I- you- when you- when you have a- a farm, a garden, or you've even got, like, wild, uh, fruits and vegetables growing, you really understand the importance of pollinators.
So, uh, I mentioned pawpaw, for instance.
This is- they call it hillbilly banana.
And it looks delicious.
I think I've had it before a long time ago.
It is very difficult to produce, because you need two genetically distinct pawpaw trees, very close to each other, and beetles have to pollinate.
Like, beetles and flies.
So apparently people hang roadkill near the trees, hoping that the flies will pollinate.
It's so crazy how some things are difficult.
Now, that balance can get disrupted, but here's what I... To rope all these things back together, you mentioned censorship.
We talked a lot about that.
You've been censored.
But then you're also saying things that probably support a lot of these like UN agenda things like Agenda 21 for a sustainable development or Agenda 2030, which is the sustainable development goals.
We talked about that yesterday.
It sounds kind of like you're in a way similar to Rorschach from Watchmen.
Are you familiar?
So, uh, basically.
The bad guy, Ozymandias, simulates an alien invasion so that it ends the Cold War because the U.S.
and Soviet Union are about to blow each other up.
By simulating the alien invasion, it stops the war from happening.
They unify against this perceived alien threat.
So he lies to the people of the world to stop them from this war.
He's a smart guy, but Dr. Manhattan and all the heroes, they find out what he's doing.
Dr. Manhattan, of course, is the only guy with real superpowers.
Rorschach is a moral absolutist.
So even though he understands what the bad guy did, actually saving the world with his evil plan, killing millions of people, he says, I'm still going to tell everyone anyway what's happening.
And so I guess what I'm saying is, you know, last time you were on the show, you mentioned these things.
A lot of people, you know, in the political space don't know about or disagree with.
And you're actually making case for why we need to curtail a lot of what's going on with fossil fuels and human mass production of petrochemicals and things like that.
But then you're also coming out and telling everybody the truth about certain studies, things we can't mention right now, but we will mention at TimCast.com.
chris martenson
Can't wait.
tim pool
Because it's like you're aware of what's going on.
And I guess to put it simply, it sounds like you're more dedicated to the truth, you know?
chris martenson
Well, I am.
And, you know, I'd like to add one plus one today and get two, and I'd like that to happen tomorrow as well.
I like consistency like that.
tim pool
But, you know, two plus two is five now, so... Well, that's the problem, right?
chris martenson
And that's a derivative of how many genders we have, which is... I think you're right.
tim pool
Multiple.
unidentified
Right.
chris martenson
Well, so so I know these are difficult subjects and all that.
And but it does speak to this idea that we're at a critical crossroads.
And the only way I can think to get through it is by being honest, unflinchingly honest with ourselves and being able to talk about things no matter how uncomfortable.
So this whole this censorship is coming at a bad time because it's saying we won't allow you to talk about stuff if it's going to like pinch pharma profits or whatever the story is.
Right.
unidentified
Another global agenda or their global agenda.
chris martenson
These so so in part of my work, I get to hang out with a lot of these very, very rich people.
And I hate to tell you this.
They're just people.
tim pool
Yeah.
chris martenson
Right.
They're not that much smarter.
They think they are, but they're actually not.
Right.
So this thing that we're in right now is a complex world.
Here's the thing about complex systems.
They have emergent behaviors, meaning you can't predict what they're going to do.
You just can't.
So they're going to have these wonderful plans and they're going to try and like control everything.
And they think they can control all of this down.
But I think that's what got us into this trouble in the first place.
We tried to control everything.
Monsanto, Syngenta, they had a better pesticide.
Let's just see if we can get this right.
And you do that.
And then nature says, Oh, no, that was a bad idea.
tim pool
Are you familiar with Frederic Bastiat?
I'm not, I'm not super familiar with him, but I just saw a meme.
Who is he real quick?
chris martenson
What, maybe 1700s or so?
He was an economist and a philosopher of sorts.
tim pool
He has a great quote.
If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good?
Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race?
Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?
chris martenson
These world improvers.
You gotta watch out for them.
tim pool
That quote right there is the perfect summary of things I've been saying about why I don't trust the authoritarianism.
When Bill Gates gets up on that TED stage and he's like, you know, we've got 6.4 billion people on the planet and we're looking at 9 billion in the next 10 years with vaccines and reproductive health services and health care.
We can lower that by maybe 10 to 15 percent.
This becomes like a wild conspiracy theory where they're saying he wants to depopulate.
What he's actually saying is population management to end poverty.
That's the Reuters fact check official statement.
And I'm just like, Bill Gates is not a super genius with a giant pulsating brain that makes him levitate and fly through the air.
He's a guy.
But he's a guy who figured out how to collect resources.
That does not mean he knows how to manage the world.
In fact, I would bet a large sum of money It's actually a good example of why he can't manage the world.
His expertise is in a very specific location.
How is he supposed to determine what works for billions of people?
That quote put it perfectly.
chris martenson
I agree with that.
I completely do.
And again, they're just people.
They're just people.
And if we're going to sort of pop through this in any way, shape or form using technology, which, you know, the Davos crowd loves that idea.
The only thing I can imagine is that we actually put AI in charge of something because AI can manage actual complex things.
But we might build this program and we're going to hate what it says because it's going to do something.
It's going to say, beep, beep, beep, beep.
You shouldn't grow cotton in Arizona deserts.
tim pool
That's dumb.
No strawberries in New York in the winter.
chris martenson
Sorry, right?
tim pool
No avocado toast in New York in the winter.
chris martenson
We're gonna hate that.
unidentified
Williamsburg explodes overnight.
chris martenson
We're gonna hate it!
Oh, scrap that.
That's obviously dumb.
You know?
tim pool
That's the funny thing that I've been saying about a lot of these big cities.
I see the cities as being the problem, and it's not rural conservatives that are the problem.
I mentioned the other day, people who live in rural areas, well water, which is a self-sustaining cycle for the most part.
Some areas get stripped and there's problems, but typically if you live in the middle of nowhere, you've got a well, you don't gotta worry about it.
You have septic systems, which are also, to a great degree, self-regulating, and if done properly... I could be wrong about this, but we've had, you know, because we're on a septic system.
I had the guy who said, if you do it right, we never have to come back out.
ian crossland
However, most people don't, because... And that's like a paper towel on the toilet is doing it wrong kind of thing.
tim pool
Yeah, and plastics and cigarette butts and things like that.
But you look at these cities, and they...
They must have their strawberries in winter.
And no matter how many times the climate change activists say things like, Hey, we should stop eating out of season fruits.
They themselves do it.
You know what my absolute favorite moment was?
It came yesterday.
Are you familiar with the Sunrise Movement?
These are like the climate change activists.
They're like, we got to save the planet.
So last night in New York, there was a widespread alert.
Everyone's got to shut off their AC and turn the power off because the consumption was overloading the grid and power was dropping out in certain areas.
They said, stop unnecessary use of air conditioning.
That's a fair point to be honest. Some people don't realize this. They'll like they'll have maybe you're in a two-bedroom
apartment And you got ac on in a room. You're not in
Well, why don't you turn it off stay in one room?
Help really alleviate some of the stress the sunrise movement tweeted. What is unnecessary use of air
conditioning?
We're trying to survive this deadly heat wave and i'm like yo, you're the climate change 90
But but like these are the climate change people arguing for the right to use air conditioning
In these cities, they concentrate all of the problems that they're complaining about, especially like police brutality.
But you think about a septic system, which is in many ways self-regulating.
What do the cities do?
Gigantic sewer systems that dump the sewage into the ocean or the lakes.
This is what blows my mind.
Chicago.
All of the cities surrounding Lake Michigan are dumping sewage into the lake.
And it flows all right down to Chicago, where everyone's dancing around it and on the beaches.
You go to the middle of nowhere, that's not happening.
chris martenson
So cities are these giant dissipative structures.
It's just food and energy go pouring in and waste comes pouring out, which is cool as long as you have, you know, a lot of food and energy and stuff like that.
But we're coming up in this period of time, it's going to get really awkward, right?
Where we don't have quite the energy we want to do all the things we want.
And then we have to have those conversations about what we're going to do.
The right time was when Jimmy Carter put his cardigan on and had a speech and said, maybe we should insulate our houses better.
We were like, nah.
Let's not, that's OK.
So now we have these excessive heating and cooling costs, you know?
unidentified
Right?
chris martenson
So if we were going to do this in an egalitarian way, I think we could come up with a currency, cryptocurrency, right?
Tie it to a barrel of oil so when it comes out of the ground, this currency is created and then it gets consumed when the oil gets used.
So if Bill Gates wants to have a fleet of jets and 60 houses, he's going to have to figure out where to harvest those.
He's going to have to buy them from me.
And my price is going to be, he'll have to go out into the open market and get his fair share of those things, right?
This is very hard to do.
tim pool
This is exactly what I think is happening is people like Bill Gates, he doesn't want everybody out of poverty.
I don't think he really cares.
Maybe it's some like fanciful nebulous goal like, wouldn't it be great if people weren't in poverty?
I think he's actually thinking like, wait, wait, you mean because of all of these problems around the world, I've got to give up my jet?
What if, wait, wait, wait, what if we get all of the people of the United States to stop flying?
Can I fly then?
Well, technically, okay, good.
That's what they keep doing.
They tell everybody else to sacrifice.
They keep their private jets.
ian crossland
I'm completely convinced that we cannot legislate or use politics to get out of this, because telling people to change does not make them change.
You need to incentivize it with a better system that functions better, like the change, where it's easier and more fun and more useful.
tim pool
I think the problem is you've got evil people who lie, cheat, and steal to gain power.
ian crossland
That's definitely part of the problem.
tim pool
And I think if we were allowed to have open and fair and honest conversations, we wouldn't be in this problem in the first place.
chris martenson
So look at, like, Bill Gates was on TV, like, constantly, right?
They're asking him about the vaccine.
What do you think, Bill?
What do you think?
What do you think?
The guy's got a bunch of money.
By the way, I know people who've worked for him directly.
He's a full-on sociopath psychopath.
He was very, he's not a great technologist, but he was very good at crushing his competition.
Right?
So that's his genius.
unidentified
Great.
chris martenson
So he made a pile of money, but why does that qualify him to suddenly be the world's expert on vaccines?
tim pool
This was the best thing about the Rogan scandal.
You can call it a scandal, I guess.
when he gave his opinion on vaccines. You simultaneously had these articles where
they're like, how dare Joe Rogan give advice? He's not a doctor. Bill Gates says,
here's his advice on medical treatments. And then I tweeted about that and someone responded,
because Bill Gates is saying what's in line with these organizations. And I'm like,
then why not write the article saying CDC recommends instead of Bill Gates? You see the point?
chris martenson
And pay no attention to the fact that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funds a lot of the
the same organizations that are saying the things that he's in alignment with, right?
Their tentacles go far.
I think they're like half the WHO's budget.
They fund GAVI.
They fund all these things.
tim pool
I saw a really funny meme that said, I'm not going to take advice from a guy who thinks population growth is a problem.
Like, he's talking about how do we control the population, manage it properly.
You see, this is the funny thing.
This is how the media boxes people into the conspiracy theory bubble.
Bill Gates gave a TED Talk where he was talking about eliminating poverty.
And he explained several things we need to do in order to achieve that.
I like the idea of eliminating poverty, but poverty is relative.
The only real way to eliminate poverty is communism when you make everyone poor.
ian crossland
You eliminate wealth.
tim pool
Exactly.
If everyone's equally poor.
But as long as there's someone who has more, there will be a poverty bracket.
Now, in his speech he said, the joke I made earlier where I did the silly voice, that we have 6.4 billion people, we're looking at 9 billion in the next several years, if we have, with vaccinations, healthcare, and reproductive health services, we can reduce that by about 10-15%.
He was talking about out-of-control population growth.
Reuters fact-checked this and said all of these people are conspiracy theorists who believe he's talking about culling
humans He's not he's just saying we shouldn't have mass population
growth. Mm-hmm. Okay, that's the official narrative then great if the guy is
publicly speaking about controlling the level of population and
It is publicly accepted and fact-checked that that's the case
then I don't think he cares about you as an individual and And that's why I say, talk to your own doctor.
Because the people who get advice from people like Bill Gates, or a comedian for that matter, are not getting proper advice.
But the problem, Joe Rogan gets attacked.
And what was Joe's immediate response?
I'm a moron, listen to Dr. Fauci.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Fauci doesn't know Anything about you?
Like, I said this the other day, like, you got like a lump on your butt and the doctor says, oh, I can't give you a treatment because of the lump on your butt.
Fauci doesn't know about the lump on your butt, but you walk in front of a bar, get drunk, and then they give you a medical treatment?
Mm-hmm.
I say this too much, but, you know, it's frustrating, it does bear repeating, but yeah, that's where we're at.
chris martenson
Well, in particular, what I don't like is how science has become religified.
It's become a religion for people.
tim pool
Scientism.
chris martenson
Scientism.
It's a great term for it.
So Pope Fauci, you know, people like, oh, but Fauci said as if it was an infallible thing.
I've caught that guy in more misstatements, lies and scientific errors.
You know, that's a little hobby of mine.
And I've been I've been doing it for over a year.
He's a wreck.
tim pool
He's a TV doctor.
Yeah, I understand.
chris martenson
When's the last time you saw a patient, do you think?
tim pool
Has it been 30 years?
Is that what they said?
chris martenson
At least.
And the guy hasn't picked up a scientific instrument.
He's been a bureaucrat for 30 years.
That's fine.
Somebody can be smart and sit down and learn stuff.
I get that.
But people talk about him as if he really is the smartest guy out there.
Do you know how hard it is to be a bureaucrat at his level?
Do you know what his day is like?
It's all emails and meetings and politics.
tim pool
We saw his emails leak.
We know all about that stuff.
So, I love that he comes out, you know, if they're criticizing me, they're criticizing science.
chris martenson
That was a bridge too far.
tim pool
That's a bridge too far.
chris martenson
He said it twice, too.
tim pool
He doubled down.
Yeah, I view him as a TV doctor.
Of course he's not Dr. Phil, but he's literally a guy who's not seeing patients, who's not currently in academia.
He works for the government reviewing... What does he do?
He reviews grants and things like that.
And then he goes on TV and gives his opinions, but he's not the guy in the lab.
So when this all started happening last year, we saw his emails, like, what did we see?
He started asking people in labs, hey, what's going on with this?
Was this one of ours?
Can you give us advice?
He didn't know.
So I noticed this.
Very early on, I was like, I like Fauci, he's alright, you know, he's doing his best, he's trying to tell us what he can.
And then after a few instances where he would come out and give advice, I was like, now hold on a minute, what he just said, that was on CNN two days ago.
He's just repeating what they said two days ago.
Then when he contradicted himself.
Mm-hmm.
That's where I started to be like, wait a minute.
The dude just waited two days after the news said something and then repeated it.
He's just, I love how they complain that Trump would be sitting in his chair watching Fox News
and then he would tweet what he saw on Fox News.
I'm like, what do you think Fauci's doing?
He's watching CNN and then they ask him to come on and create this recursive loop where CNN says,
here's what we're learning.
And then Fauci goes, yeah, here's what we're learning.
And the double masking thing was the perfect example of the recursive loop of non-science.
He gets asked randomly.
Now, doesn't it make sense that people wear two masks would be better off?
Yes, absolutely.
Two masks would be common sense.
And then all of a sudden people start saying, Fauci says we should all wear two masks.
unidentified
So then he comes out and says, you don't need to be wearing two masks.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden the CDC announces, we're now recommending two masks.
And then Fauci comes back out and says, you should probably be wearing two masks.
And then they actually had this image, I can't remember what channel it was, CNN, where it's like three masks.
Mm-hmm.
It's not science if he does it.
It's not science if anybody does it.
That was the perfect example of the recursive loop of Fauci watches TV, it repeats, and
then it's repeated in the press, and then it gets adopted politically.
chris martenson
It's just...
It's not science if he does it, it's not science if anybody does it.
And he also said at that same interview, he's like, I am science, right?
tim pool
I am science!
chris martenson
Everything I did was scientifically backed up, right?
But no, his first admonition for people not to wear masks, he admitted later, was a political calculation where he was saying, well, we didn't really have enough for the health care workers and the people, so we thought we'd sort of try and steer people away so we could preserve them.
That's not a scientific Decision.
That's a political decision.
tim pool
Let's break this down.
He lied.
Let me just, let me just express.
He said, he, it came out later.
I think it was like July of last year.
He's like, well, we didn't have enough masks for all of our medical professionals and they needed masks.
So that was the advice we gave.
However, and this is what he said.
We didn't realize that people could spread COVID asymptomatically.
So once we realized that we, we reversed course.
Okay.
No, you, you need to be wearing masks.
Here's the problem.
Well, listen, listen.
You don't need to go out and buy N95 masks.
You don't need to go out and buy actual medical-grade face masks.
You could've wrapped a shirt around your face, and I've done it.
Fauci could've come out immediately and said, you know, look, if you've got a scarf or some cloth face covering, you might as well wear it.
It'll help out.
chris martenson
So by March of 2020, there was this little shop in Southern California called the Sway Sew Shop.
And these women start making these face masks and they bought themselves a particle intrusion detection machine for like three grand and started testing different things out, found all these different things and found one brand of blue shop towel that was as good as an N95, sewed that into their mask and had it solved.
So what if Fauci had come out and said, look, we have a problem.
So this is again, back to my original point.
They don't trust people.
I would trust people in that position.
I say, look, We screwed up.
We should have had masks on store.
We should have.
We should have been ready for a pandemic.
We didn't.
We forgot to do that.
Our bad.
We won't do that again.
But we're going to need your ingenuity, please.
Here's a million dollar challenge.
Anybody who can figure out how to make a better mask in a sew shop, go.
And you would have seen this amazing stuff happen.
It would have been amazing.
tim pool
What did we learn later?
That it wasn't even about N95.
It was that the masks may stop a droplet.
And that's all we needed.
chris martenson
In which case, people... Anything is better than nothing in that scenario.
tim pool
By far.
I went to Home Depot.
We're buying wood because we were building ramp stuff.
And they're like, you need a mask.
And I was like, oh, and I, I walked back to the car.
I pull a t-shirt from the back seat and I wrap it on my face.
And they're like, good to go.
They were like, yeah, a t-shirt folded over twice.
That's thicker than a 95.
You're great.
ian crossland
You got to remember they don't stop droplets.
They absorb the droplets.
And then you got to wash them out.
You got to wash them out.
I wish the first day he came out was like, you got to wash your mask every day.
tim pool
You got to wash your mask.
chris martenson
My favorite moment is the iconographic.
So then Surgeon General at the time, he says, he goes out and he's going to show how to do the t-shirt thing, right?
So he comes out and the t-shirt he picks says, got naloxone, right?
Which is the antidote for an opiate overdose.
So I'm just, I'm just thinking like, just metaphorically that Surgeon General's going, showing us how to fold up a got naloxone t-shirt to make it into an impromptu mask.
tim pool
Why would they use that shirt?
chris martenson
Why?
So somebody, he had a, somebody picked that on purpose.
So I'm always looking for the symbolism, but I just like, that was bizarre.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
You sometimes wonder why, sometimes things happen with this stuff.
And I'm just like, why?
You want to believe there's some secret conspiracy going on because they can't be that dumb, right?
chris martenson
This is, this is why I'm, I'm, I tell you, they're just regular people.
That was a really dumb decision right there.
tim pool
Someone, maybe it was a, it was Surgeon General.
So they had, they pulled a shirt out of a box and said, here you go.
And he was like, great.
And he didn't think twice.
ian crossland
Yeah, but there was a reason that shirt was in that box.
That's for sure.
It was when people started selling, um, like, like masks that with like branding on it and like pictures and stuff is when I knew the shark had been, in my opinion, the shark had been jumped.
tim pool
I got ads on Facebook for like it's like it's like this male model and he's like looking all serious with these special glasses.
He's got this sweater on where the zipper is off to the side and he's wearing a mask that's got like sharp edges and points and it's like fancy designer masks.
Could do it.
Now you go to, we went to the mall and we bought a bunch of silly games and puzzles
and there was a massive bin and it was like, it was like 75% off masks, buy two, get one,
or buy one, get one free.
And just like, no one's touching them.
Well, now we've got the Delta variant though.
Now they're saying that because of the Delta variant, well, so the CDC, I believe it was
CDC director said, if you've vaccinated, then the, the, the variant is no issue.
But L.A.
reinstated their guidelines and we're seeing lockdowns in Australia just in general because of the COVID strain.
And I think Canada as well has been locked in.
Have you heard about that?
Canada, maybe?
chris martenson
Yep.
And Israel, too, considering it.
ian crossland
I'm interested, what exactly is the Delta variant?
Are you familiar?
chris martenson
I am.
How long does she want to get it?
tim pool
I don't know.
chris martenson
It's kind of a cool story.
ian crossland
Just objective, yeah.
tim pool
The one that YouTube says that we're allowed to talk about because we are serfs to the YouTube machine.
Sure, so... And we'll talk about the more serious, in-depth stuff at TimCast.com.
chris martenson
Well, this makes the Delta variant sound a little bit ominous, so YouTube's gonna love this.
tim pool
As long as it scares people!
ian crossland
Good TV, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah!
chris martenson
All right, so when we say a variant, what we're really talking about is there's this genetic structure and there's a string of letters, and some of those letters change over time randomly, and every so often one of those random changes makes it do something, like be more transmissive.
And those, if it makes it more transmissive, that survives better.
So that's a variant, because like, if it has an 80% better chance of jumping from me to you, that's the one you get, and then you get it, and then it's just boom, right?
ian crossland
If it were to change and make it less transmissible, would it still be considered a variant?
chris martenson
It would, but it'd die out pretty quickly in the overall thing, because this is survival of the fittest.
It's just evolution, right?
So the the the virin that can do the better transmissive job is going to go farther, right?
So we had the first one.
It was called the D614G.
And what that means, the D is an amino acid.
It got changed into a G at the 614 position.
That was the original one.
That's the so-called UK variant, 40% more transmissive.
The Delta has that.
It has all the old favorites, plus it has this last one, which is the P681R.
Now this turned a proline into an arginine, and this is really cool because this virus has a really funky thing that no related virus has, which is what's called a polybasic furan cleavage site.
It's this thing, this little four amino acid chunk that sits between the two spike proteins, and when it gets clipped, makes it go into your cell like that.
By the way, it's an old trick.
If you're doing gain of function in the lab, that's an exact insert that you would put at that exact location.
And by the way, we've done that 11 times for other things and made them more, more better at being bad, right?
So it has this really weird thing.
Well, that would, that P is the one that got changed.
So this thing, now we think the data says gets into your cells even faster and better.
That's the ominous part.
The good news is I don't have data to say it's any more harmful.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
chris martenson
Yep.
tim pool
Well, people should still take it seriously and talk to their doctors about what's right for them.
chris martenson
They should, because he's like, Doc, I'm worried about the P681R.
And your doctor will go, what?
ian crossland
I'm so glad you explained P681R means the P turned into an R at the 681 position.
chris martenson
Yep.
ian crossland
Thank you.
tim pool
Cool.
chris martenson
That's how that works.
But it's way more transmissive.
Way more.
tim pool
Yeah.
So I guess the CDC is saying, though, that you're fine if you're vaccinated.
That you don't have to worry about this new variant.
chris martenson
That's what they're saying, but everybody's favorite other doctor, Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who they never mentioned serves on the board of Pfizer, is saying maybe a third shot would be a good thing to do.
tim pool
They've talked about boosters.
Johnson & Johnson.
Let me make sure I can pull some of this stuff up, too.
chris martenson
Yeah, so that's where they're going with that.
I think the vaccines, at best, we can say they're partially protective at this point in time.
tim pool
The UK will be rolling out COVID-19 booster shots in September.
chris martenson
Yep.
tim pool
So they're going to be having... And there was a story on NBC that really freaked me out, and I know you guys, you don't want to hear me say it, but I have to say it again.
There's a story from NBC that said, mix and match.
And it said some experts were advocating for taking multiple different kinds.
And I'm just like, stop, stop, no, no.
Experts?
chris martenson
Which experts?
I hate when they say experts.
What are they talking about?
tim pool
It was like, uh, it was an NBC article.
I-I gotta pull this one up.
I gotta pull this- I gotta find this one.
That's why- that's why I'm just like... I'm pretty sure if you go to your doctor, and you ask him, they're gonna be like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that.
Let me, uh, let me see if I can find this story, because we have the one about UK is gonna be introducing boosters.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
lydia smith
I want to know what benefit there would come from mixing and matching them.
Do you see any kind of benefit, Chris?
chris martenson
Not I can think of off the top of my head.
So, not really.
tim pool
Just to bring it up, this is NBC News.
Mix and match COVID vaccine approach boosts immune response study finds.
Now I will state, as far as I can tell, the FDA is not approved of that practice.
Okay.
unidentified
There you go.
chris martenson
But consult your doctor.
tim pool
Yeah.
Some European countries have started offering alternatives to AstraZeneca and a second shot after the vaccine was linked to rare blood clots.
So they, this is NBC News and it's a story by Reuters.
Here's the best part.
There's no byline.
There's no bylines.
This is a major taboo in journalism.
We're launching the newsroom for Tim Kassecki, and I'm very much always like, we must have bylines and bios for all of our reporters.
People need to know who wrote it, and then be able to email that person with corrections and our corrections department, and we're gonna have fact checkers.
When it just says by Reuters, Like, Source, Reuters, okay?
I suppose I can, like, maybe take... Let me see if I can dig deeper.
We'll do this in real time.
Let's see if I can take Mix and Match COVID, search that, and Reuters.
And, uh, there we go.
All right.
And now, okay, so we do have a name.
We find the name now.
Alistair Smout.
Mix-and-match approach boosts immune response of AstraZeneca's shot study finds.
When NBC News doesn't put a byline on it, they have automatic news articles that publish.
So what they'll do is they'll, uh, have specific parameters like temperature, um, forecast for weather.
And then an article will automatically be generated saying that the, the, the five day forecast for, you know, Tallahassee, Florida is today will be Sunday by tomorrow.
You can expect to see clouds completely automatically generated.
They do the same thing with sporting events, MMA and football or whatever.
It'll be like, you know, the, the Raiders scored a goal in this quarter and that quarter and did this.
And I'll show you all the stats written by a robot.
You gotta watch out for those things.
chris martenson
What will you do?
And it was the Snowden leaks back in 2013 which showed that the GCHQ had bots that were so good at writing comments under all the major newspapers that people couldn't detect what was what.
So that's been a thing for a long time.
Trust me, things have gotten a lot better.
ian crossland
I'll see stuff in the live chat sometimes where it will be two comments back-to-back that will say different things in all caps about, for instance, me.
It'll be like, Ian's the best, Ian's the worst, but they'll come at the exact same time.
Two different accounts, all caps, and it's very weird that those could be two people.
tim pool
One of the reasons I tweeted before, stop responding to people who don't use real names and photos and see your political discourse improve.
One of the reasons I tweeted that, it was a subtweet, I was tweeting about certain trolls, but one of the main issues is that we've long known that governments use what's called sock puppets.
They use, one person will have 50 accounts, and they'll bombard you with an opinion to make you think it is public opinion.
People fall for this like crazy.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
You'll get a small pizza restaurant will announce they're having a, you know, like the the proud boys are gonna have a meeting at some restaurant.
The restaurant owner has no idea.
And then one day the restaurant owner gets 40, you know, emails or whatever.
And they're all from different people in different names saying, why are you hosting white supremacists and Nazis?
And they'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are all these things?
It's probably one person doing it.
That's why it's like, I want to know who I'm talking to, and within reason, I still will engage in conversations with people who don't use, you know, names or photos or anything like that.
Sometimes people want to be anonymous for an obvious reason, we talked about this, but I'm just pointing that out, that if we're in the space where we're like, we're not going to stand by our names and have these conversations, then you have a massive Exploit in your face from activist groups, and I'll tell you one thing conservatives are not engaging in this mm-hmm I'm sure some are But they are not as politically savvy and organized as the mainstream left is and the intelligence agencies So when it comes to engaging with sock puppets It is probably two to one that you're engaging with a leftist sock puppet who's lying to you Then you would be someone on the right, but it exists on both sides.
chris martenson
Information is power.
And so, of course, this power has not been left to its own devices.
And this goes way beyond citizens.
I remember there was this really embarrassing moment.
I read it when it was first coming out, and it's really starting to explode.
I can't remember the year.
I'd have to look it up.
2013 to 15, somewhere in there.
And they said, hey, where's our traffic coming from?
I think it was on Rdata.
It's beautiful.
So they looked, and they looked at the IP accounts.
And oh my gosh, wouldn't you know it?
There's this one little town in North Carolina that blew everybody else out of the water.
And that's where Fort Hood's located.
And they have an operational Center for information control right and then and then I think they VPN didn't got rid of that little like data signal But it was just it was pretty obvious to me.
What was happening then right so information is actually power So when you see comments you have to know first question ought to be is this real?
Cause it might be, it might not be, we don't know.
We just don't know.
But information is power.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is why, um, when the New York, you saw the New York mayoral election thing happen, Eric Adams is like, yo, what's with all these extra votes?
chris martenson
Yeah, hey.
tim pool
All these liberal journalists come out saying you're Trumpian, you're lying, this is ridiculous, you're a sore loser, even though he's winning.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it turns out that the auction board was like, oh, actually, yeah, he was right.
Sorry about that.
But you see the immediate reaction from the establishment is protect the machine at all costs.
Don't challenge, don't question, don't investigate.
When I went to do the Sweden investigation, Donald Trump goes, he's at a rally, and he goes, did you see what happened last night in Sweden?
It's terrible.
And then the media explodes, like, what happened last night in Sweden, Trump?
What are you talking?
He was talking about a documentary he watched on Fox News last night.
And so he didn't speak as clearly enough.
I announced, I did a GoFundMe, I'm like, hey, I'm gonna raise money to go to Sweden and actually investigate because I'd worked for Vice, I'd worked for Disney, and I had done these kinds of on-the-ground documentary investigations, and I had journalists I knew from Vice message me saying, do not go.
And I was confused.
I was like, what do you mean?
I was like, one guy, one of the guys I went to Ukraine with.
And I'm like, we went to Ukraine together to investigate stuff.
Like, why wouldn't I go to Sweden?
And he goes, just don't do it.
Give the money away.
Give it to a charity.
And I was like, I raised money to go to report journalism.
It would be fraudulent if I gave it away.
I have to refund it.
And then I got another message from someone saying, don't fuel their conspiracies.
And I was like, do you think the conspiracies are true?
Cause if I actually go, I'm assuming I'm going to prove them wrong.
And they're like, no, don't go.
Creepy.
People I knew and worked with all of a sudden were just like, do not challenge the machine.
chris martenson
And then that was just about the machine.
tim pool
It was weird.
chris martenson
What do you think that was really about?
tim pool
I have no idea.
It's, it's a cult, man.
And I, maybe I say cult a lot and people are like, you know, Tim saying cult again.
Uh, when, when people I worked with at Vice who are low level.
Reporters and they get paid trash We fly around reporting stories one day just instinctively defend the machine How did no one told them to message me?
There's no handler like they're not secretly part of some government agency.
They were just so indoctrinated They were like don't you dare report on any of this Because we said no.
And I'm like, I'm genuinely confused by what you're talking about.
And I went.
And then Slate, these lefties, loved that I came back saying like, yeah, there's not really that much crime.
It's like, there are problems here.
Crime is going up, but relative to most places.
And the problems of Sweden were very, very nuanced.
It wasn't like a bunch of immigrants came in a year ago and then caused problems.
There's actually the children of immigrants from 20 years ago.
There's a lot, a lot of nuance there.
And Sweden really screwed things up.
But I was just, To experience, that whole thing was a very strange experience.
From having people I knew and worked with saying, do not report, don't do journalism.
And I'm like, but I always do journalism.
It was like, it's like brain slugs infected their bodies and took them over.
That's what, it was the weirdest thing.
And then going to Sweden, experiencing the message control.
When, when all of the media aligned against me, after we got into this conflict in, in an area called Rinkeby, it was weird to see how coordinated the machine was.
Creepy.
chris martenson
I think it's getting worse.
that or you think it's getting worse?
tim pool
I think it's getting worse.
chris martenson
And what could explain that?
So. So back to this idea of leaders and followers.
I have this this theory that that that things are getting so
tense for people.
Right. So.
Young people in particular.
I just had this event and this really nice young kid comes up.
He's in his teens.
He's in college.
He's like, thanks for what you do.
I have a question.
Like, what would you do if you're me?
He's like, I'm studying, but I don't believe in the future at all.
And he's coming up with this existential Dread, which is, I'm supposed to live into this story.
Here's my story.
Go to school, get good grades, come out, get a job.
You're supposed to plan on all this stuff.
Meanwhile, what's your school telling you?
Oh, hey, the ice caps are melting and this whole thing's about to go up in flames.
It's hard to sort of square that circle.
And so I think confronted with that, people start to cling to anything.
Including maybe, you know, obedience to the machine or something.
I think it's just, I think it's a big defense.
ian crossland
For sure.
It's part of why information is so powerful.
Like what you said earlier, because if you can give them a path or a reason to live or a solution, or at least an idea of a solution, like yeah, iron fertilization, we can repopulate the salmon.
Have you studied iron fertilization?
Yeah.
chris martenson
Yeah.
They're going to get the carbon out of the algae blooms or whatever.
ian crossland
The coral reefs, it also feeds the salmon.
The iron creates plankton, which then the salmon can eat, and so we can regrow the fish population of Earth.
We can regrow the coral by shattering it and placing it all over, and then it all grows together and forms giant reefs.
Like, there are solutions.
If people don't know, they get scared, and then they look to, they want a leader, and they look to people like Anthony Fauci, who's like the TV leaders that pop up.
Reality TV stars, actors, you know?
tim pool
I feel like people don't want to have any responsibility.
They just want to be told what to do.
ian crossland
I don't know.
If I know what to do, I like it.
tim pool
I like the responsibility.
Ethan Klein said it, bro.
You don't even gotta do anything.
The CDC just says do it, and you just do it.
Like, okay, well, you know, look.
Within reason, I do respect CDC guidance.
I say within reason because, you know, Tuskegee, for instance.
But you have personal responsibility.
Yes, they can give you advice, but ultimately it's on you to go and seek out what's right for you, which includes talking to your doctor.
ian crossland
Or perhaps becoming a doctor.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
chris martenson
The bright spot that came for me out of all this COVID stuff was really looking into things like certain supplements and whatnot and realized that I had bought into a bunch of junk.
that my culture had given me, including my doctor, literally telling me vitamins are just an expensive way to take a leak, right?
You know, you eat them and you piss them out, right?
Water soluble.
But in fact, vitamin D, I have this whole crazy story on how important vitamin D is, and it's an amazing story.
tim pool
And Fauci said so.
chris martenson
Well, only because Jennifer Garner asked him on her V-log, and he was starstruck, so he did admit to taking vitamin D, but he never came out and said you should.
tim pool
I thought he did.
I thought he said vitamin D is good and people should be... It's still on the NIH treatment guidelines right now.
chris martenson
Under COVID, it says there's neither enough data to refute or endorse vitamin D. But there's tons of data.
ian crossland
Tons of data.
tim pool
You know what I found?
Winters are... I feel... I don't like winters.
I like the cold.
And then this past year, I started wondering, why am I so energized and energetic and jumpy and full of... just ready to go?
Why do I skate better in the summers?
And in the winter, even indoor, it's harder, and I'm like, dude, it's vitamin D. Vitamin D. I'm not getting enough sunlight.
I'm inside, it's heated, and there's less sunlight.
So I got some vitamin D gummies, and I felt fantastic.
chris martenson
Yeah.
tim pool
I was like, I'm not getting enough sun, man.
chris martenson
The more you study vitamin D, it's like, it's not a vitamin, it's a hormone.
It's like involved in all these things, and it's about inflammation and bone repair.
It's like crazy good stuff.
unidentified
It's a vitamin.
chris martenson
And almost everybody is deficient in it, particularly dark-skinned people, because the melanin in your skin, particularly at higher latitudes, prevents the sun from coming in, the UVB rays, and making the vitamin D. So if you or I took our shirt off, we'd get like 10,000 units in like 15 minutes, right?
tim pool
But of course, consult your doctor before taking any vitamin or supplement.
chris martenson
Or taking your shirt off.
ian crossland
Is there a difference in the value biochemically of producing vitamin D naturally from sunlight or taking a vitamin D supplement?
chris martenson
There probably is.
Well, so the vitamin D from sunlight has its own regulation process where you can't get too much.
It'll shut itself down.
You could technically take too much, but it's a big, big, big number.
It's a really big number.
tim pool
It's a fat-soluble, no, it's a hormone.
chris martenson
Yeah, it's fat-soluble, too.
tim pool
Yeah, the water-soluble stuff, you just kind of piss out, but the fat-soluble stuff, you can get really sick on.
unidentified
Right?
chris martenson
Like vitamin A. Well, that's a different story, but vitamin D takes a lot.
Like, you would have to take mass... In my weight, for myself, it would be a huge number.
tim pool
I was reading about, like, general health and dieting a long time ago, and I read that we don't get enough vitamin C in our diets.
It was something like for every 50 pounds on Animal Ways, they produce something like a thousand milligrams of vitamin C or something like that.
I don't know the exact numbers.
Maybe you know.
chris martenson
It's true.
So we're one of only three mammals that can't make vitamin C. We had some weird mutation that bollocks this up for us a long time ago.
Every other animal does it, particularly when they get stressed.
So a goat that breaks its leg or something, they've done the studies, will manufacture 60 grams of vitamin C in the next 24 hours.
tim pool
Whoa, that's a lot!
chris martenson
It's a huge amount.
And by the way, you can't take that much because you can't tolerate it through your GI tract, so that's why they do high-dose vitamin C now.
When somebody's coming in with full-blown sepsis, multi-organ shutdown, they pump the vitamin C in there and it's amazing how it recovers them.
tim pool
What does vitamin C do?
Is there a process by which it's converted into hydrogen peroxide or something like that?
chris martenson
No, it's the precursor for pretty much every stress hormone you're going to make that's going to help you get through that stressful process, right?
Cortisol, cortisone, things like that.
It's also really important for collagen repair and things like that.
So Linus Pauling, two-time Nobel Prize winner.
He's getting on in his years.
And so, you know, sometimes old guys lose the story or plotline.
That's what they try to say about this guy.
But late in his career, he's like, Vitamin C is the bomb.
He had all this data, 400,000 records from GIs.
And noted that when they, and this was all before computers, they had to hand track this.
He noted over time that the people who had the higher vitamin C levels at check-in, when they got their physicals, had much lower levels of heart disease.
So right around that same time though, the drug company is like, oh, you see people have the plaques in their arteries and we look in the plaques, we see cholesterol.
So let's take cholesterol down.
He was like, you got it all wrong, Bucky.
That's not what's happening.
That cholesterol is there to try and repair the damage.
The damage is, And it's because we don't have vitamin C. So he comes up and he puts vitamin C in and all of a sudden they're showing that they're clearing up people's atherosclerosis within months if they have adequate levels of vitamin C. And it's the cholesterol that's doing it with the help of the vitamin C?
The cholesterol is there to help repair the damage that's already happening.
tim pool
But you could be wrong.
chris martenson
I could be wrong and you should consult your doctor.
tim pool
No, but it's guinea pigs.
They don't make vitamin C, right?
chris martenson
I'm not sure about that one.
There's some bat and I forget what the other one is.
tim pool
I think it's guinea pigs.
I could be wrong.
Don't pigeons not make vitamin C either?
chris martenson
Not sure about Pidge.
tim pool
I was reading some book a long time ago.
I read his book about a long time ago.
ian crossland
Is there any explanation as to why?
tim pool
It was saying that the, um, and again, I'm, I'm not an expert on any of this.
It was like 10 years ago I read this thing.
It said that the amount we're told is our daily 100% is the minimum to avoid scurvy.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And that if you look at, like you said, 60 grams, the goat?
chris martenson
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, so what do we take, like 60 milligrams?
chris martenson
You might take 500 or 1,000 milligrams or something like that.
But again, it depends how much can actually be absorbed at that time.
So our gut really limits that.
So if you get in a real serious situation, good doctors now will give you that right IV because you can put a lot in through IV.
You can really cram it.
tim pool
Good doctors with good opinions.
chris martenson
Well, I'll tell you. So I work with the with these doctors who are
figuring all this stuff out.
And they've got this great story around vitamin C, which sounds a lot
like all these other stories we've been talking about. Right.
Where there's a whole medical establishment that really hates the
idea and they try and poo poo it and they design studies to fail.
And these guys are just like, look, you know, when somebody comes into an
ICU with multi organ failure for sepsis, right, they can take the
average death rate from around 50 percent and knock it down to about
And they can do it reliably and repeatably.
And if I end up in the ICU, I want these guys treating me.
tim pool
Period.
And they're doing intravenous like vitamin C?
chris martenson
That's the first thing they do.
Even before they take your first vital sign, they get that drip going, right?
So then some other doctors say, well, let's study that.
And so they design it so that they administer it within 24 hours of showing up.
And these guys are like, no, every minute counts.
They can prove that every minute counts.
And so these guys set up these studies and start it within a day.
And of course it has a much lower efficacy after that.
So, what do we say about a system where people are incentivized to design a trial to fail?
What if that was you or your dad or your mom or somebody you loved that got enrolled in
that?
How do we roll with that information?
tim pool
It bothers me.
I've never...
I don't think they're going to let you die, man.
You know what I mean?
I think, I think maybe sometimes people make bad calls.
Sometimes a doctor will use his best judgment, but I don't think there's anybody like twirling their mustache.
Maybe at Big Pharma, for sure.
But like doctors and hospitals?
chris martenson
Belief systems are powerful enough that people do crazy things when their belief system is challenged.
tim pool
Yeah, that's for sure.
We talked about this the other day that another book I read a long time ago, that around 24 or so is when people's brains start becoming like fully matured, sort of solidifying their worldview.
chris martenson
Mine was around 40, but that's keep going.
tim pool
But they say that midlife crisis happens when the brain reopens.
ian crossland
Oh, that's what happened to me.
tim pool
So the idea is that if you've survived that long, your brain is telling you the things you've learned have kept you alive.
Hold on to them because if we maintain this, we can survive longer.
So what happens then is if you present evidence that is undeniable to somebody whose worldview is solidified, maybe somebody who's 30, their brain will start panicking because they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, we can't accept this.
It puts us at risk.
And so their brain switches to anger mode.
And then they shut down the logical process centers and go right into, how dare you?
Yeah, and they start ad hominem, and they just go nuts.
And I'm sure people have experienced this.
Have an argument with somebody, and then they just snap, and you're like, why are you so mad?
unidentified
Whoa.
chris martenson
Well, that's how you know you've touched into a belief system.
So if you have an opinion, right?
You say, oh, I think this is the best baseball pitcher.
Here's my stats.
And I come up with different stats, and we trade stats for a while.
It's all cool.
But if you have an opinion about something, that's fine.
If you have a belief system, it's the emotions.
tim pool
Yeah, that was in Dogma.
Chris Rock says that.
He says something like that.
He's like, an idea can change, but beliefs, those are harder to change, and people die for beliefs.
Yeah, I have a lot of ideas.
You know, the joke is, someone once commented on a YouTube video saying, Tim Pool is a milquetoast fetsitter, and I'm like, hey, let's roll with that one, and I used it.
It's technically not true, because I get really angry about freedom, free speech, civil rights, and things like that, but for a lot of things, like, I got some ideas, but I don't think I'll, like, if I'm not an expert on, you know, cancer, I'm not going to tell people what to do with cancer.
I have no idea.
ian crossland
It was making me think about, like, the scientific community and how, like, theories and hypotheses are battled amongst, like, in Quantized Inertia, for instance, is a new theory by Mike McCulloch.
He's been working on it.
And there's just a lot of pushback because it does away with dark matter in his theory.
So the people that have theorized dark matter don't want their theories to be lost and upended because then their creds are diminished.
tim pool
So, actually, there's somebody I know very, very well, but all of them retain their privacy, whose father was a physicist.
And I was asking about string theory and M-theory, and he explained that there's a big problem right now with—at the time, this was 10 years ago, so I don't know a lot about physics—he was explaining There's actually a lot of problems they can't figure out when it comes to string theory and M-theory that have many people believing it's probably not correct.
The problem is nobody wants to give up their life's work.
They spent 40 years working on these theories and the math and you want to come and tell them now it's all wrong?
They can't accept that.
chris martenson
It's very hard to do.
I believe it was the physicist Niels Bohr who said science advances one funeral at a time.
tim pool
That's wild.
ian crossland
That's so brutal.
Because of the money.
chris martenson
But it's true.
tim pool
Yeah.
chris martenson
It's true.
And so when it comes to like this whole area of this medical stuff we've been talking about, it's really important to understand that if somebody's belief system is in the way of you and your health, you need to detect that and then find somebody whose belief system maybe is more flexible.
tim pool
That's why there's a lot of people who are like, who have messaged me saying, you know, my doctor didn't know.
And I'm like, bro, there's other doctors out there.
Yeah.
A second opinion is like a normal thing.
chris martenson
So didn't know is OK.
Doesn't want to know is not OK.
Right.
I've had a lot of people message me say, my doctor, I gave him the data.
I'm giving him papers.
And they're like, don't give me that stuff.
I'm not interested.
Right.
I say find a different doctor.
tim pool
Absolutely.
chris martenson
That's what you do then, right?
tim pool
We had, um, we were talking, we were talking with somebody, I can't remember, but they mentioned that they had a doctor who told them some, give them some political response to their question.
And so they said, and they called a different doctor and said, I don't care for the politics.
Just tell me like, here's my age, here's my family.
And then the doctor's like, here's what we're going to do.
Here's what makes sense based on the criteria, not the politics.
chris martenson
There's a whole article that just came out about doctors who've banded together who are so scared of the wokeness that these are typically older doctors.
You know, they've been in practice a decade or more.
Men and women doctors.
And what they're afraid of is that they see these younger doctors coming in who won't treat because somebody has the wrong ideology.
Right?
Like, you know, I think that person's a skinhead, or a Republican, or a proud boy.
Yeah, I won't treat them.
Or they won't give them the same quality of treatment, but they're open about it.
And so this is really terrifying, right?
To get to that level, because now we're into the us versus them, now you've started to dehumanize, and that's when you know you're getting pretty far down the path.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
chris martenson
So so just a quick, quick aside on this.
I was speaking at this conference.
This really sharp guy comes up afterwards, takes me to the side as you know, he said this guy had worked for several joint chiefs of staff and was pretty connected in and said, by the way, when you were talking, Chris, about that, we were going to attack North Korea.
This was like, I don't know, five years ago.
I was reading all these signs and I knew we were about to do that because I suddenly saw all these articles come out in New York Times about how prison guards in North Korea were like kicking puppies and like, you know, doing stuff.
We were dehumanizing.
So I watched the dehumanization happen, and so I wrote out to my followers.
I'm like, hey, looks like things are about to heat up with North Korea.
This guy came up just a couple years after the fact and said, you have no idea how right you were.
We had two carrier groups in that moment, and they were all spooled up, and we were ready to go.
How did you know?
And I said, it was easy.
New York Times was printing stuff about how inhumane the guards were in the prisons over there.
And it came out in four newspapers at once.
tim pool
They need to rally public support.
chris martenson
Right.
tim pool
Let's talk about this.
chris martenson
Dehumanize first.
That's what you do.
tim pool
We'll talk about this.
Fauci was doing an interview.
He said that it's almost like there are two Americas due to people who are not getting the vaccine.
And it's fascinating.
He's correct.
I've talked about this before.
Let's say you live in Texas, where they have no restrictions, no lockdowns.
I think it's Oregon that started saying they want to implement vaccine passports.
So if you're from Texas, no more tourism in Oregon.
Not that a lot of Texans wanted to go there anyway, like to be completely honest.
Probably the other way around, people fleeing Portland to Texas.
But let's say you're in Florida, you want to go to New York.
Well, New York says we're going to do the Excelsior Pass for like Madison Square Garden.
You got to be able to prove your vaccination status so you can't go see the Foo Fighters.
So now people in states without the restrictions who are abiding by the law and regulations and guidelines won't be able to go to other states.
Now that is where it gets crazy because for the longest time, we have open travel between states.
When this whole thing started, there were checkpoints set up at New York.
Going in and they would, I don't know exactly what they were doing, but there were stories that from New York to Connecticut, Connecticut had police at the border checking plates that were from New York because New York's a hotspot.
So we're actually starting to see a reemergence of borders in the US and laws that prohibit people from free travel or from Actually being able to use accommodations, public accommodations in certain states.
chris martenson
Does that apply to Amazon drivers too?
And truck drivers?
tim pool
Yes.
And this is where a lot of people in our super chats have brought this up.
That a truck, a trucker who's from say Nebraska is going to be driving.
They're like, Hey, this one's going to New York.
Can't go.
Sorry.
Oh, well this one's going to Oregon.
Oh yeah.
I can't go there.
chris martenson
Well, he could, but he's gonna have to drive around this one state, right?
tim pool
Well, let's say the destination is Oregon.
And they're like, well, no, they're doing vaccine passports in Oregon.
The guy's gonna say, where do I go to the bathroom and get food?
I'm not going, sorry, find someone else to drive.
And we're already dealing with, apparently, this shortage with truckers.
So now a bunch of people, there's fuel, gas stations aren't getting the fuel they need.
You add in these heavy restrictions, which so far hasn't taken off for the most part, but we are seeing it happen in certain areas.
It's not even about hard bans.
That's what people need to understand.
You don't need to ban people who aren't vaccinated.
You need only apply pressure.
So, that could mean... Oh, you can... Everyone's free to come here, vaccinated or unvaccinated.
But if you're not vaccinated, you gotta go in the back.
That's pressure.
And some people are gonna say, I'm not interested in being the guy in the back room.
So, have a nice day.
Portland can say, we don't, truckers, you're allowed to come, don't worry, we're not banning people who aren't vaccinated, but you can't go to these select gas stations and these restaurants are off limits, and most of the companies here are required it, so you'll figure it out.
They're gonna be like, I'm not taking that stress.
So that that pressure is enough to dramatically alter this country.
I find it fascinating when you have all this talk of peaceful divorce due to the extremism,
the violence, and now you have actual bureaucratic pressure, which is starting to emerge.
chris martenson
Two Americas.
tim pool
Yeah.
chris martenson
You got that you got that divide and conquer thing going on.
And, I mean, this should just be completely common sense.
There are some people who cannot take these vaccines, right?
So if you've already had an anaphylactic reaction in a prior vaccine episode, which has happened to a lot of people, you are not a candidate.
It says so right on the CDC website, right?
Which, apparently, you can still get in trouble for quoting this stuff, right?
But there it is.
And they say, oh, by the way, and if you've had the first shot and you have a really bad reaction to pass a certain threshold, you shouldn't get the second.
So you are now not fully vaccinated.
On and on and on.
It's a complex situation.
tim pool
There was a band.
I forgot their name.
I don't care.
They said $1,000 to see the event, but a discount.
If you're vaccinated, it'll only cost you $18.
Yeah, I saw that.
And there was a woman who was a fan who gave an interview where she said, because she had COVID recently, the doctors told her she was ineligible for the time being and she had to come back later.
So that meant she wasn't able to go to the show.
But guess what?
Rich people, come on in, baby.
It's all yours.
ian crossland
It's a rich man's world.
It has been for 10,000 years or something.
chris martenson
Well, and here's the problem with all this.
Logically, you can't parse your way through.
It doesn't make sense.
So let's go back to first principles.
What's the point of all this?
The point of all this should be public health, I guess.
ian crossland
Yes.
chris martenson
Right?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know any more to be honest.
chris martenson
I don't know either.
ian crossland
Sustention of human life.
Society and species.
Yes, that is the point.
tim pool
Should be, but certainly never let a good crisis go to waste.
That's the saying.
ian crossland
There's a lot.
tim pool
And it was interesting because we had Destiny here.
He's like a leftist streamer.
And I said, you know, it looks like we're seeing people exploit the crisis.
And he goes, when else would you try and make sweeping changes and reforms?
You know, this, it, what, what better time than now when we're, we have to lock things down.
Now's our opportunity.
And I'm like, then would you trust every move made if you knew people were simply saying, we've got a crisis.
Great.
Let's, let's, let's do a bunch of things we always wanted to do.
chris martenson
Oh, so that means, um, let's support, uh, people going to McDonald's and getting Krispy Kreme donuts and shopping at Walmart, but we're going to shut down small and medium sized enterprises, right?
Is that the crisis they wanted to exploit?
We want, we want the little people to take it in the shorts.
I thought that was not a lefty thing.
tim pool
I got to admit, though, there is a real problem.
I'm confused now.
There is a real problem with a lack of personal responsibility.
People should not be gorging on donuts and McDonald's and they should be, you know, doing better, eating better and exercising.
And but it's a personal responsibility.
ian crossland
100 percent right.
It is.
And it is.
That's the conversation I wish that was on the news every day is how to get healthy, how to eat right, how to feel better.
tim pool
But they I think this is this is a Exclusively of the Democrats.
Well, I shouldn't say exclusively, but it's the rule, not the exception, where they want you dependent.
They want you dependent.
They want you on social programs.
They want you to feel like no matter what you do, you'll never succeed without their help.
Look at this.
What's, what's the critical race theory message?
You are oppressed and no matter what you do, because of the color of your skin, you will always be oppressed.
chris martenson
Or oppressor.
tim pool
And you need us to help you to navigate these problems versus the other message of you can be anything you want to be if you believe in it.
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
Too many leaders?
They don't want too many leaders?
What's a good ratio of leader to follower in the human race?
chris martenson
One.
ian crossland
One to one?
unidentified
No.
chris martenson
One to many.
tim pool
Yeah, one to nine billion.
One despotic king.
unidentified
One to nine billion.
ian crossland
What is it, like one to twelve?
tim pool
One to sixty?
One to five?
No, no, but hold on.
It's not about one leader at all.
It's about specialists.
You know, if someone came in this room and said, I need to know what magic cards to buy, I'd be like, take it away, Ian.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, ball lightning.
No, I like that.
tim pool
Ball lightning?
ian crossland
It holds a special place in my heart.
tim pool
No, I mean like, what are you an expert in?
If someone came in and said, I need someone to fix the toilet, I'd be like, hey Ian, you're not a plumber.
So you're a leader in the right moment.
And so, you know, leaders step up when they're called into action.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, and you can inspire people to seize their ability to lead.
Everyone's good at something.
tim pool
Dude, if we had someone out here and they were a farmer and a wildlife expert and, you know, Like a vaccine?
ian crossland
Like a doctor?
tim pool
Like if someone came out here and they were an expert in plant life, I would immediately be like, tell me where to go, what to do, what to wear, and tell me how to find the fruits, and that guy's in charge.
But then if he comes in and says, we're gonna talk podcasts, I'll be like, okay, well it ain't you, buddy.
Like, I'll step up if we're doing a podcast thing.
You'll step up when you're doing a fruits and berries in the forest thing.
It's like recognizing where you are not the leader and recognizing where you are.
ian crossland
And then so we have oligarchs or corporations that are attempting to lead the narrative when we have doctors that are more specialized that maybe would be better off deciding what should and shouldn't be talked about.
tim pool
Don't go to a dentist for foot care.
ian crossland
Right.
And don't go to a social network for health care.
Right.
tim pool
Oh, I love it when Facebook is like Instagram is giving medical advice and Facebook is and all the celebrities are and posting these things.
But heaven forbid Joe Rogan have an opinion.
chris martenson
Or a critical care doctor who's been eat, lives, breathes, drinks this and is an indisputable world leader on this stuff, right?
But this has nothing about, that's why I said first principles, this is about public health.
It's clearly not.
It's not about that.
It's about something else.
So we can assign motives and all that.
It's clearly about the money.
It's about the Benjamins.
It's about power.
It's about seizing the moment to ram through some things that otherwise couldn't have been rammed through.
tim pool
It's a pie chart.
Somewhere in there is a nice little chunk of public health, but then you get greedy hands, man, and people see an opportunity to exploit a crisis.
And you know what?
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
chris martenson
Well, listen, if I saw them exploiting it in a way that I could detect and say, OK, I get it, not how I do it, but it makes sense, it's still incoherent.
It doesn't make sense to me, right?
The only thing that's starting to emerge in this pattern is, As soon as I saw the climate lockdowns, we have to do climate lockdowns, that's when the pieces started to fall for me, I think.
tim pool
I think, well, you take a look at Texas and Florida.
They were like, ah, we out.
So it's clearly not a unified message in terms of our government.
There are different jurisdictions with different beliefs and different people are exploiting different things.
And I think one of the reasons it may not be cohesive is just that it's a chicken with its head cut off, man.
Joe Biden comes out earlier this year.
This is one of the most important points when he was like, we may need more lockdowns, while Texas was like, we're getting rid of them.
And I'm like, clearly Joe Biden is not speaking to the worldview of red states.
He was speaking to New York and California about what they want to do based on their fears and their perceptions.
So it's a chicken with its head cut off, man.
chris martenson
So we're back to chickens.
I like it.
tim pool
Yeah, chickens, chickens.
And you saw what Joe Rogan said recently.
He said, we're just throwing it to Joe Rogan this episode, that it doesn't feel like we have any real meaningful leadership.
Like, who believes that we have a real leader right now, even the people who voted for him?
Like, do you really feel like he's leading anything?
I don't think so.
chris martenson
Well, no, and this is the thing that I think I'm most concerned about.
So if you if you go to a corporation or you're in your own personal life, you develop a strategy at some point.
What's a strategy?
It's got two parts.
It's got a vision and you need resources to get there.
Right.
Guess what?
It's always easy to have a vision.
Hard to find the resources.
So you that you have to marry those things up.
Right.
So what's the vision of our country?
Where are we going to be in 30 years?
Right.
Nobody can articulate that at this point in time.
Right.
And without that, we're just we're rudderless.
We're just drifting along in this story.
tim pool
I do hear you, but I think it's fairly obvious that what you said, 30 years.
So we're talking about 2051.
It's going to be Barron Trump.
He'll be on his second or third term.
You know, Don Jr.
So we're doing dynasties?
I'm just kidding.
You know, I'm sure there's a lot of people who believe that the Trump dynasty and you know, whatever.
chris martenson
What's the country going to look like?
Are we all in mansions?
Are we in tiny homes?
Are we eating like algae?
Like what's going on?
ian crossland
Oh, algae's good.
You can grow algae too at home.
tim pool
No, I think it's going to be lab-grown foods.
I think we're going to have kind of like protein mush that is flavored and reconstituted.
chris martenson
So like in The Matrix, after you've taken the red pill and you're in the ship, you pull the little gruel bowl out?
tim pool
But that's actually a black-pilled version of it.
You're going to go to the store and you're going to say, I'll have the chili dog with extra cheese, and I'll get a large cola with a large fry, and it's all made of the same thing, but flavored differently.
So your hot dog comes out and the bun is actually like a protein fungus.
The hot dog itself is a thicker, denser protein fungus.
Your drink is flavored by sugars cultivated from a protein fungus.
You see where I'm going with this.
The french fries are just long mushrooms or something like that.
chris martenson
Could be, but I think that we're going to run into trouble with that idea.
tim pool
Yeah.
chris martenson
Yeah.
It, it, it's so much more complicated how nature actually works.
So there's these micronutrients, macronutrients.
It's not just giving you like the base calories, which is sugar, you know, it's some, some little thing.
We need all these things like trace amounts of selenium and magnesium and da, da, da, da.
Maybe we'll work all that out, right?
But your needs are going to be different from your needs because your gut biome's different and you have a different genetic structure.
So it's just different, right?
It's not controllable.
tim pool
You're familiar with Soylent?
chris martenson
Yeah.
tim pool
The company Soylent tried making this food replacement.
And it was interesting.
The idea was, can't we just figure out exactly what a person needs and give it to them and they don't got to worry about eating?
chris martenson
No.
tim pool
Because we are not uniformly produced in a factory.
Every single person is different.
ian crossland
And every day that person is different than they were the day before.
tim pool
And so the problem is if you were to say, drink this bottle, like it first came in like a powder form with like a thing of oil and you have to, cause you need to fatten your diet.
And then they were like, okay, the problem is some people are taller and require more.
We're not giving enough.
Some people are small and they're getting too much and they're getting sick.
So now it's just like a meal replacement shake.
That's in my opinion, what like Slimfast?
They already, they already make those things.
It's got 30 to 35% of your, you know, daily vitamins and you drink it and it replaces one meal, but you still got to eat because you don't know what you're missing.
chris martenson
Didn't that last for like a month and then people like their bowels were just like ruined or whatever?
tim pool
No, no, no.
chris martenson
It didn't really work out, I don't think.
tim pool
It's because they quickly realized, I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure before they went public, like with the actual product, they said, we realized you can't actually sustain yourself on this.
ian crossland
Also the branding, I mean, Soylent Green?
tim pool
That was the joke.
ian crossland
Is people!
Soylent Green is people!
Soylent's probably not people.
You know, are they really into vertical farming?
No, it's like oat.
Okay.
Oat.
I'm into vertical farming, indoor vertical farming, like Arrow Farms in Jersey is the largest, one of the largest vertical farms in the world.
I think that the future of humanity might be like a vertical farm on every block or something in a city.
chris martenson
Yeah, but you know what they grow?
They grow lettuce greens and those things.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
chris martenson
And they don't grow like corn and wheat and stuff.
ian crossland
They grow them on mesh.
So without soil and they'll spray the mesh with like a nutrient.
But I'm wondering, what's the difference of food being grown indoors as opposed to outdoors in natural sunlight?
chris martenson
Well, there's a lot of advantages for indoors, but for that stuff, again, we're growing greens, like really high value.
You're getting some arugula, but man does not live on arugula alone.
I think they're cute.
I think they have a role, but to say that's how we're going to feed people?
Now we've got to talk megatons, like how many millions of tons of food product is coming out of those.
Notice where the energy comes from.
Those are all LEDs are very efficient, but where's the electricity come from for that, right?
You just, you follow this along and you say, look, we already have this nuclear reactor.
It's 93 million miles away safely.
It's a good distance.
And it, and it provides that service for free.
tim pool
I'm now learning that, uh, where, where, where I live and what we have growing, we'd probably be able to cover a large portion of our diets, maybe like even 60 or 70% just with there's every, every day.
chris martenson
Potatoes.
tim pool
Deer.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, potatoes.
tim pool
No deer everywhere.
Just like the people out here telling me that they're pests.
They're a nuisance.
There's so many of them.
chris martenson
But once you really started living on them, here's the thing.
I'm a hunter.
So the deer are everywhere.
Until the day of hunting season, I swear to God.
tim pool
And they're all gone.
chris martenson
Then they're all gone.
It's almost like they don't want to be shot.
It's the strangest thing.
tim pool
Well, no, but like today, every morning I see like three deer walking through the yard and they're eating my apples and I'm like, stop eating my apples, you jerks are reaching up in the trees and pulling them down.
But we got three apple trees.
They're just, I don't know if they're wild actually.
It looks like they were actually planted.
We've got tons of wild pawpaw.
The mulberry trees are everywhere and everyone's mad about it.
chris martenson
Mulberries are awesome because they produce fruit for 90 days.
It's crazy.
Like strawberries is like a week, you know?
Yeah.
It's been 90 days that you just get mulberries.
tim pool
We took a hammock and we held it underneath and shook some branches and we got like 300.
It was insane.
There's too many.
You walk in the yard and your feet turn purple and I'm like, we should actually start actually foraging and harvesting these edible berries and plants.
We got blackberries, we got wine berries, we got mulberries.
So we actually made jam.
It was amazing.
We made some jam with that.
I was having peanut butter and jelly.
And then we're going to have pawpaw.
We have tons of apples.
We made some stuff with the apples.
And if people didn't live in cities and spread out, then instead of having lawns, for instance, they could be growing some of their food and it's self-sustainable.
chris martenson
And you should grow some.
Everybody should.
Even if you only grow like 3% of your calories.
The difference between zero and 3% is night and day.
Because you know what you learn at 3%?
Like, this is hard, and I'm not that good at it, or I have to learn some stuff, or, oh, tomatoes don't grow with any shade at all, and there's, like, a lot of things you gotta learn.
tim pool
It's pretty cool.
The best part is, I looked up the nutrition value of mulberries.
If you eat ten mulberries, guess how many calories you get?
ian crossland
Six.
tim pool
Yes!
Did you look it up?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Six!
ian crossland
I'm a wizard.
tim pool
Six calories.
And I'm like, so if you need two thousand calories per day, You're gonna shake that tree until there's nothing left on it.
ian crossland
You'll burn more calories shaking the tree.
tim pool
Yeah, we grew some zucchinis, man.
These things grow fast.
chris martenson
Baseball bats, you don't watch out.
Yeah, big ones, yeah.
tim pool
So I saw one and it was maybe like five inches long and then I'm like, eh, it's too small.
The next day it was like nine and it's massive and I'm like, I think that's a little too big, you know.
But what, do you just leave them until they're massive?
Or what?
chris martenson
Well, the best thing is you get pigs.
So my favorite.
And pigs love them.
And they eat them like crazy.
So here's the best part.
You get pigs in spring.
And in fall is when you're going to be harvesting them or sending them off to be harvested.
And that's when your garden is like overflowing with stuff you just can't eat anymore.
You can't have another bean.
You don't want any more zucchinis.
The pigs love them.
And then all your apples are dropping on the ground.
You just give them to them.
tim pool
So in the winter, this isn't stuff people really need to think about.
You know, I can go outside and be like, look at all the fruits and all the glorious vegetables!
And then winter comes around and what did you save and what did you preserve?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So what do people normally do?
You have some chickens and then you eat the chickens in the winter to survive?
I mean, that's not enough chickens.
chris martenson
No, it really isn't.
So, potatoes.
I mean, you have to grow something that you're going to be able to store for a long time and you have to think that through.
So this is something, this is actually near and dear to my heart.
I think people should be resilient.
And being food resilient is part one.
I love food resilience.
I like being energy resilient as well.
I can heat my house four different ways now.
Wow, what are they?
I've got an oil furnace.
I've got a wood furnace.
I've got an electrical mini-split.
It's a very efficient heat pump that exchanges heat and cool from the outdoor air.
Very, very efficient.
tim pool
Oh, I was watching a video about these.
Have you seen that fluid that, when sunlight hits it, it changes the composition?
And then they can, with electrical current, release the heat energy from it?
chris martenson
Yeah, that's really cool.
Storing stuff is gonna be, that's the hard part.
Storing energy is always the hard part.
tim pool
So this is amazing technology.
Imagine you have this, you have like a, a, a, a, you know, staggered pipes running with this fluid, the sunlight's hitting it, and then in the winter, the sunlight hits it, it changes, it absorbs the energy, then goes into your basement, and then converts that back into heat, and heats your home, just from the sunlight being foamed.
Amazing stuff.
We should, we should go to Super Chats.
ian crossland
What's the fourth one?
chris martenson
You said, I got passive.
So, so, and this is just a function of how the thing came.
We have this stone fireplace.
It's probably half the size of this room.
It's massive.
unidentified
Wow.
chris martenson
So it's sort of got like this, it's cool.
It's, it's warm in the winter, cool in the summer.
It's like, it's just a moderating influence.
It's really good.
tim pool
We have a, we have geothermal here.
So the copper, copper, geothermals.
unidentified
Awesome.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like copper tubes run underground and then we, it is extremely efficient and it, you can get it freezing in here.
It was, it's a heat wave and it's like, I'm freezing.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's awesome.
tim pool
Because the cold underground easily dissipates the heat and easily pulls in the cold, but we'll jump over to Super Chats.
We'll jump over to Super Chats.
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Drzaj says, Tim, can we get a party slash movement that is against concentrations of power, both government and corporate?
The one we should be freeing is the individual.
Yes.
So what do we call the decentralized party?
Corporations consolidating power is bad and governments doing the same thing is bad.
ian crossland
Most systems.
Centralized economy is bad.
tim pool
Libertarian centrism.
chris martenson
If we could just get the libertarians to get the shirts to match the tie.
tim pool
Anarcho-centrists.
ian crossland
If we can get the libertarians and the republicans to come together to create a new party, I think we're set.
tim pool
Anarcho-centrists.
There you go.
Problem solved.
ian crossland
People are afraid of anarcho though.
tim pool
Libertarian centrist.
ian crossland
Yeah, libero-central.
chris martenson
We need a gathering for this decentralized party.
It's kind of a... It's kind of a... It's tricky.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like the way you think.
tim pool
West Virginia.
Country Roads, man.
Alright, Simon Vercoe says, World War III could be fought domestically, global collection of civil wars, everyone just waiting for China to start first so they can't backdoor everyone.
ian crossland
I keep hearing that China's not nearly as powerful as everyone's making them out to be.
And that they're also building a hundred new nuclear silos, is that right?
In like the Gobi Desert or something?
chris martenson
They're building all kinds of stuff, but they're a lot more powerful than people think.
They trot out these really amazing missiles that they've got.
They've got these missiles that can reach all over the oceans at this point in time.
So I think that we're just waiting that the next war is going to be the one that shows that the Navy is just a lot of boats looking for a reason to sink.
And, and we don't want to tangle up with either Russia or China.
I think that would be very bad learning, because they were building these multi tens of billion dollar like, you know, aircraft fleets, and they're building these multi million dollar missiles that swarm.
So the Zircon out of Russia, it can swarm, they can put up dozens of them, and they talk to each other, and one flies up at 100,000 feet, if it gets lost, another one volunteers.
unidentified
Wow.
chris martenson
And they come in at six feet off the deck at Mach five.
unidentified
Whoa.
chris martenson
And then do these crazy 60G maneuvers to swarm in on something.
Very hard to stop, apparently, but we haven't had to face it, so we don't know.
ian crossland
Mach 1 is the speed of sound.
chris martenson
Correct.
ian crossland
Is Mach 5 five times the speed of sound, or is it?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
Okay.
chris martenson
Yeah, and the problem with that is even if the warhead doesn't go off, it's got so much kinetic energy, it's like you shot a squirrel with a slug.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris martenson
You know, it's just got a... The energy of the missile alone is a thing, so...
Yeah, I don't want to see World War 3.
I'd really like to avoid that if we could.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
All right.
chris martenson
That's me.
tim pool
Tactically D Gaming says, hey Tim, shout out from Cheyenne, Wyoming.
Just wanted to tell you about my son Cole who watches religiously with me every day.
It's to the point I can't watch unless he is awake.
He is two years.
Can he get a shout?
Tweeted a few pics to you.
Shout out Cole.
Thanks for watching, man.
Get him while they're young.
ian crossland
Good job, Cole.
tim pool
Douglas Kaplan says, yesterday you talked about shadow figures in your room.
I have and still experience those.
Do you think they could be your faults and guilts that manifested?
I'd love to talk more about it and sometimes I'm terrified of it.
Thoughts and God bless your group.
That story was like, I was like 13, so I really don't think so.
I don't think I had any strong guilts or faults when I was a little kid.
The story was that when I was a little kid I woke up and I could see like shadow figures walking past my door and then I tried to just ignore it and then felt a presence like I could hear the steps and I could it felt like something was walking up to my bed and then stood there and then walked away and I was just like a little kid.
chris martenson
So this person's asking maybe did those come from inside and you're thinking no that's outside.
tim pool
Yeah, no, for all I know, I was a groggy little kid and some people broke into my house.
ian crossland
I had that thought last night when you were talking about it, like, did you have emotional trauma?
That it was manifesting as like, I feel like something is there.
unidentified
Bruh, I was a little kid playing Mario Brothers.
tim pool
I guess, I don't know.
Southside of Chicago, huh?
ian crossland
Or maybe you have a thought in that these extra-dimensional entities latch on to that kind of thinking.
tim pool
That's a third way of looking at it.
Someone just suggested that might be intense moonlight.
I was sleeping and I woke up in the middle of the night rolled over on my left side and saw the floor and there
looked Like there was a strange waving
energy reflection of light of something that looked like water
being reflected but ten times more bright like brighter and that I
ian crossland
Freaked out and I went someone just suggested that might be intense moonlight. Do you think that was possible?
tim pool
No, because I lived in this I lived in Chicago where you have no like there's no window that's gonna give you a I
mean Perhaps, because all the houses are identical and next to each other, that the one window, like the perfect angle of moonlight, it's entirely possible, and that's why it only happened one time.
That's what I'm saying, there's always some reasonable explanation.
I'm some little kid, I have no experience or wisdom, and I see something I don't know, and I freak out about it, and that's it.
ian crossland
But sometimes you see that stuff.
Like, I saw infrared light.
You know, I saw it when I woke up one day.
It was just going into my phone.
It's always there.
So maybe we could talk about this on a different day.
All right.
tim pool
BlackrockBeacon says, Great guest.
Chris was like the first guy I started following at the beginning.
I started hearing bio stuff, started posting right around the same time as him.
Posted a lot of this early stuff.
Right on.
chris martenson
All right.
Thanks.
Thanks for that.
tim pool
JD says, Hey Tim, really love all of your content.
I've been subscribed for over two years now and recently noticed YouTube no longer gives me notifications when you start your live show.
Not sure why that is.
I think we're all kind of sure why that is.
chris martenson
That happens to me all the time.
My subscribers say that a lot and I can, I can track it.
So when I look at, like, when I put a video out, how many come through notifications, how many come through search notifications is like under 5% every time.
tim pool
This is the pressure I was talking about.
They don't need to ban us outright.
But they exert pressure on our channel so that over time, attrition destroys them.
chris martenson
Or they nudge you and you learn, oh, if I should maybe not say things like that, right?
It's a nudging.
It's a little nudge.
tim pool
We're pretty obstinate.
And so you find people like Ethan Klein of H3H3.
He used to be super edgy.
He would spout racial slurs on his show.
Now he's super mainstream because he learned his lesson.
And for that, he's rewarded with millions of views on his podcast.
chris martenson
There you go.
ian crossland
Do you have multiple videos a day that you put up when you don't get notifications?
chris martenson
I put up two a week for sure, and special weeks get more, but this notification thing really kicked in when I started talking about certain unnamed substances that you can't talk about.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
chris martenson
Right?
And then just notice that.
It's a form of throttling.
ian crossland
Someone suggested that you only get notifications for three videos a day per channel.
Yeah, I've heard that.
I don't know how true it is, but we put up clips, so it might be that you're getting notifications for the clips, and then when the fourth... No, no, at most we put up one a day.
tim pool
But, and for us, people say, I always got notifications for the live show, and now I don't.
Alright, so, um, I don't think I can read the first name here, but, uh, this guy says, Come skate at Wakefield, Tim.
It's pretty close to you, and we would all love you.
Like, 20 of us watched you on Joe Rogan at once.
I just skated in Wakefield last week, and I made the joke that whoever told me to go skate there was trying to kill me, because the ramps have, like, uh, like, the woods breaking, and they're huge, and everything's falling apart, and I'm like, You know, this is crazy, but we went there.
It was fun.
There's a concrete section, which is actually pretty good, but still it's like, you know, those ramps, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe you could build it back up with a GoFundMe or something.
tim pool
Apparently they're renovating it and they're going to fix it up.
So it's a big park.
It's pretty cool.
They just need to fix a lot of stuff.
And the, and the, and the, and the transitions were super steep.
It's fun when there's like a six, I think it's a six foot mini ramp, but it's really steep.
So you go up and you're like floating right away.
It's a very, very fast transition.
Okay, Cody, I see what you're doing here.
He says, I gotta say something.
I'm speechless.
You know, like that book by Michael Knowles.
Yeah, that's right.
Like that book from Michael Knowles.
ian crossland
I believe you can get it on Amazon.
Oh, shout out to Amazon.
tim pool
Slay the dungeon, says...
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
I would love to.
Message me on Twitter, man.
I started with YouTube thanks to you to help with culture with DND search slay the dungeon
I also sent you an email to your jobs email. I'm a professional DM and pay the bills with it
I think we're gonna need Ian to spearhead that that sure on boarding project. I would love to message me on Twitter,
ian crossland
man We'll talk D&D. Yeah, so the idea is we would it was a
tim pool
really good idea for a show Someone super chatted us where we would basically do
scenarios like once a week someone would write a D&D scenario
Someone emailed me saying you can't do that where it's episodic. It needs to be continuous
ian crossland
Oh, you can do whatever you want No
tim pool
But this is a good idea because we could do a series of 13 episodes where it's kind of like watching a show
Where you've basically got episode one, the introduction to the story.
Here's the characters.
Let's play.
And then everyone's dying to know what happens by episode 13.
ian crossland
Did you ever guys ever read Grail Quest?
The old books, they were kind of like, you play as this guy, Pip, who like wakes up in this body and he's got Excalibur Jr, this little sword and Merlin's like telling him, and it's like an adventure book that you read and you roll dice.
But it was like every, every book, he would be in a new world in the same like body that he would animate.
So we need to do something like that.
tim pool
Hmm.
Rampton says, when did you launch the alpha?
It still sucks.
We did not launch the alpha.
The new alpha is missing a ton of things, but we have the... It feels like it's 85% done.
And so we're aiming for about a week from now to hammer out.
I think the beta might be in a few days.
It's awesome.
I've not seen a website like it.
It's going to be like a news website, but it also lists individual channels that we have.
So like our YouTube channels, we're going to have different shows and podcasts.
And then we've got the newsroom with like trending articles and all that stuff.
I am mad impressed.
These guys are fantastic at what they're doing.
And I'm really excited because we're going to have probably like 30 different shows hopefully within a year or so.
I don't know how much we should mention about our conversation from last night.
ian crossland
Ben said, you know, we're working on a project with Ben.
tim pool
There we go.
ian crossland
Ben Stewart.
tim pool
He's fantastic.
ian crossland
We'll give you more details as we go, but Ben Stewart, phenomenal producer.
I'm really excited to work with him.
And then we're going to be really cool to hook you up with Ben Stewart at some point.
unidentified
Cool.
Great.
tim pool
We're going to be launching a new podcast, too, which may be once a week, and it's The Mysteries Show.
So we have Shane Cashman, who's writing these excellent mystery stories, the unexplained paranormal conspiracies, just good, good, good old spooky, spooky fun times.
And then we're going to have that recorded and we're going to do a full episode with like sound effects and like creaking noises and footsteps and all the good stuff.
So you can really like chill out late at night during a thunderstorm and just put it on and be like, oh man.
And then, but that's only about 15 minutes.
And then it's going to go to open conversation where, you know, whoever's hanging out for the day will be like, how did you find this story?
And like, this is crazy.
And then just have an open conversation about the weird.
That'll be so much fun.
Definitely fun.
That sounds like fun.
I'm not kidding.
We got such a lot of grass and there were bees everywhere and they were chilling.
I walked over, I was picking up apples, the bees were floating around there doing their thing.
I was doing my thing.
We're having a good time.
chris martenson
Speaking about those experts, get yourself a bee expert.
It's very complex, but oh my god, having bees is so much fun.
They're so cool how they operate.
Once you groove on them and just however you want to settle in, just watch them.
They're amazing what they do.
tim pool
We have West Virginia wild honey and you glaze that bacon with it and then put it on the grill.
Something else, man.
It's incredible.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Honey's legit.
ian crossland
Yeah, I had the Manuka honey.
You ever eat that stuff?
chris martenson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
With the healing properties.
tim pool
Ian ordered, what, like 10 gallons of honey?
ian crossland
We got it in the basement.
Salt and honey and vinegar, man.
chris martenson
That'll keep you.
tim pool
It never spoils.
ian crossland
You're gonna survive.
tim pool
We can boil water and make you taste great.
You'll start emaciating to a certain degree, but you'll have honey.
You know, better than nothing.
ian crossland
It does.
Complex sugars.
tim pool
It never spoils.
What did they found?
Honey in, like, ancient Egyptian tombs that was still edible?
ian crossland
It crystallizes.
It doesn't rot.
unidentified
That's amazing.
chris martenson
It takes those bees something like two million flowers that they visit to make a pound of honey.
And they go and they do it.
And a single hive might have 50, 60 pounds you can harvest.
unidentified
Wow.
chris martenson
It's astonishing.
tim pool
And they make your fruits grow.
So, you know.
chris martenson
There's a lot of fruits.
Two million flowers.
tim pool
All right.
Trash Panda says, why is it that the solutions that Elites and Greta Thunberg have will kill millions and wreck everything instead of pushing for interplanetary colonization or planting more trees and nuclear power?
I don't know if we can get to interplanetary colonization fast enough.
And I don't even know if it's possible.
Right?
A lot of, I think, I think the Mars stuff is a bit of a pipe dream.
chris martenson
Well, I do too.
And if you, if people are really excited, there is a place in Antarctica you can go, which is about that cold and has about that much water, which is none.
There's a dry valley there.
So just go hang out there for two weeks.
Tell me how much fun you're having.
If you still want to go to Mars.
tim pool
Doesn't Antarctica still have a magnetosphere to guard you from solar flares?
chris martenson
It does.
It has that.
That's just kind of awesome.
tim pool
Mars.
unidentified
Mars.
tim pool
None of that though.
chris martenson
No, no, no.
It's really cold, barren and desolate.
Listen, we already have a perfect spaceship.
It's here.
If you can't operate this one...
You're really going to hate what happens on Mars.
That's how I look at it.
ian crossland
I just heard that.
You know that big trench on Mars?
chris martenson
I mean, let's do it, but don't hope that that's how we're going to save ourselves.
ian crossland
I got a double part comet.
You know that giant trench on Mars?
It's huge.
It's like a third of the planet or something.
I thought it was like a planet collided with Mars and ripped it open and all the magma flew out in the atmosphere and coated the planet with iron dust and it rusted.
Now that's why there's all this iron oxide.
But apparently it was struck by electricity.
Mars and Venus have been hit by electrical And the moon, too, and that's why there's all these craters all over the place.
It's electrical.
tim pool
You know what people don't understand?
You are not independent from the atmosphere and the biosphere and the ecosystems of this Earth.
The easiest way I think I can explain how to understand this is if you've ever played Super Mario World.
You've played it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You've played it?
ian crossland
Great game.
tim pool
Mario World?
unidentified
No?
ian crossland
Groundbreaker.
tim pool
Alright, so when you go to the Haunted Houses, You know how there are those white bars and the boo ghost will come out of it and move around but then go back into it?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
You don't remember that?
I'm sure a lot of people know what I'm talking about.
And those who don't, too bad!
But those who do, they're gonna go, oh!
You are connected to everything on this planet.
Breathing in the air.
How the chemical composition of the air is made by all the other plant life.
What is soil made of?
We walk outside, we walk in the soil.
What is that made of?
chris martenson
Billions and billions of organisms.
A little bit of clay, a little bit of carbon, a little organic matter.
It's all kind of stuff.
tim pool
What you're saying is that when I walk in my backyard I'm standing on the corpses of billions of dead creatures?
chris martenson
And the live bodies of billions more.
tim pool
That's right.
Yeah, so we emerge from this primordial muck.
Before we could even begin to exist, there's tons of, probably more than billions, probably trillions of dead things that we grow out of and grow our food from.
ian crossland
From clay.
They say we came from clay, the original people.
chris martenson
Well, it's like it's this fractal thing, right?
So you take yourself, you're a whole thing.
You could find out you're a cell.
You go down, down, down, down.
There's just there's just more and more and more stuff that we can't see.
So a single tablespoon of soil has about as much complexity as a maybe a couple dozen square miles of rainforest.
Now, we can imagine rainforest because you can go and you can see all the monkeys and the vines.
It's really cool.
And there's ants.
But the soil is like that, too.
We just can't see it.
tim pool
Except in the Alaskan rainforest where there's no monkeys.
chris martenson
No monkeys, but they should get them.
tim pool
I don't think they would last very long up there.
chris martenson
Well, maybe now.
I don't know.
I heard it was 121 degrees in Canada yesterday.
ian crossland
The hottest it's ever been, right?
Two days in a row, at least?
chris martenson
Not by a little, but by a lot.
tim pool
Wow.
All right, check it out.
Daniel J. Korica says, Wastewater treatment plant operator here.
Tim, the sewage is treated before it is discharged into the receiving waters.
They don't dump raw sewage.
I don't know about Chicago and the surrounding areas, because I think there was a big scandal where they did, and it caused a big problem with E. coli or something.
chris martenson
Well, I think for the most part they do, and they try, but during heavy rainstorms, when the plants get flooded, it happens.
tim pool
Remember when Dave Matthews' band, I think it was, drove over the bridge in Chicago, and then the bus driver, or someone on the bus, pulled the release and sprayed their tank onto a boat underneath?
ian crossland
I didn't know there was a boat.
tim pool
That's right. They because the the bridges in Chicago are great
So you can look straight down and I guess the driver was like we're over water pulls it and there was a boat passing
chris martenson
Dude, yeah for real save that t-shirt Steve Matthews, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll keep it.
unidentified
Look at that.
tim pool
Commander232 says, as someone right-leaning, this is what I say to people about climate change.
It is happening, but not in the way the far left screams it is.
Earth doesn't have a stable climate, never has.
All we can do is stabilize the gradual change, not run away.
Yeah, what do you think about that?
chris martenson
Entirely possible.
All I can tell you is I really enjoyed growing up during a period of climate stability.
And so I don't call it climate change anymore.
I call it climate instability.
We're clearly entering a period of instability, and that's not cool.
So if you look at climate over time, humans, the last 10,000 years have been really stable on this chart.
It's like a flat line.
That's when we developed all this stuff.
We're like, oh, we'll just do agriculture because the rains always fall here.
If that changes, A lot changes.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, we are reclaiming Vegas.
You know, have you ever read about that?
chris martenson
Well, I was out there and I was visiting the guys who were actually drilling the second set of pipes down into Lake Powell because the first ones were like getting exposed to air.
So we got to go lower.
Right.
But I think they're already in danger of that effort.
Like they can see the end of that.
Like it's not going to last.
And so what is Vegas worth without water?
tim pool
Yes.
But one thing that is happening is when we ship in Pepsi and Mountain Dew and Arizona iced tea.
That water comes from other places.
So when the food and the bottled drinks go into Vegas, and then people drink it, they then go to the bathroom, that water stays in that area.
So I was reading about how there's more clouds now.
And also lawns.
chris martenson
I think that's due to the golf courses.
tim pool
No, no, probably is.
chris martenson
Absolutely.
Evapotranspirating all that water back up into the air.
Again, the AI machine.
unidentified
Beep, beep, beep.
chris martenson
Don't have golf courses in Vegas, okay?
tim pool
I disagree, actually.
chris martenson
Just don't do that.
tim pool
The AA would probably say, build golf courses in Vegas.
To reclaim more desert.
Allocating water from areas that have heavy water, like all the rainfall on the East Coast.
Look at Florida.
You could take a bunch of that water from Florida and send it somewhere else.
It rains non-stop.
chris martenson
That's a cool idea, but water's heavy.
It's so hard.
It takes so much energy to move it.
tim pool
Have you heard— But think about the ability to expand the biome and grow more life.
The Sahara, for instance.
Insane how massive it is.
AI would probably be like, you get one person to spit, and you do that 50 billion times, and you're moving fluids and water.
chris martenson
We are learning how to do agriculture in different ways so that if you actually replicate what we had in the plain structure we have like these massive grasslands and then you have these huge herds that come thundering through you actually create more soil and you retain more water so we're learning how we can reclaim desert by just running our cows differently.
But of course, we're going to grow all our meat in labs now, so... I don't know what to do about that anymore.
ian crossland
Have you seen solar updraft towers?
You have this huge, like, mile radius circle of, like, tarp, and in the middle, there's a giant tower.
And so the sunlight hits the tarp all day.
The air rushes towards the tower in the middle and turns these cranked turbines and then goes up the tower and out.
And it condenses at night.
The water condenses down and it starts to grow plant life in the desert.
chris martenson
Sounds like Dune.
ian crossland
Yeah, we could build those all over the place.
They're out there.
They're expensive, though.
tim pool
That's right.
Nathan Zaleski says, hearing Tim say dumb mother effers like five times on the Ban
and Members Only segment was worth the $10 a month.
Glad to know YouTube might be more lax with swearing now.
Piss Tim is a best Tim.
Yeah, I got mad because I said, I know a bunch of dumb mother effers who had no business
being involved in politics all of a sudden coming out.
ian crossland
Tim's a blue-red mage, if you've ever played Magic.
He shows you the blue on YouTube, but he shows you the red on the after show.
tim pool
Yeah, when we play Magic the Gathering, so it's like Chaos and Control combined.
So whenever people play games against me, my MO is always to just, like, make the game really strange.
No one can do th- Like, I change the rules in weird ways, so the games last for four hours, and everyone's like, ugh!
They try to do something, and then it backfires, and then there's one that turns their spells into doves, and they got a bunch of 1-1 doves for some reason.
Dovescape, by the way.
Anyway.
Carlo Bighouse says Dr. Chris Martinson is an American hero.
Chris, your videos saved lives.
Thank you for having him on, Tim, and continuing to share truth and reason even while the machine struggles to silence it.
You know, there's been, uh, it has gotten a little bit better in some ways, it's pretty bad.
But I remember, like, two years ago, the censorship was so intense, it was like, man, I almost had a breakdown on several occasions.
Where, like, a big breaking news story would come out, and I'd be sitting there, looking at it, being like, I literally can't say any of this New York Times story on YouTube.
And so it'd be really frustrating, I'd try to record, and then I'd have to like, not say certain words because YouTube would just nuke you if you did, and I'm like, I'm reading the New York Times, man!
And so then eventually I would turn off the recording and I'd just be like, this is insane, man.
This is insane.
We gotta do something.
ian crossland
Feeling that censorship, it's not getting worse necessarily.
What's happening is it's a, it's getting better consistently, but it's up and down as it constantly goes up like evolution.
And like, because they used to kill people for speaking out against the church.
Like that was the worst thing.
Now we're just in a downswing as it jolts up and down, I think.
Cause it's only been like seven years or something like that.
chris martenson
Well, we do the same thing at my website where, you know, I love being able to talk to lots of people and reach them.
But I've had to reserve what I actually think for behind a paywall.
Because I got to keep the trolls out.
I don't want Google sort of sniffing it and all that other stuff.
And I got to be honest, you're right, you got me.
I love the truth.
I just love it.
And I don't know what the truth is.
But man, I can smell BS a mile away.
And I can't talk about that as freely as I used to.
And that bothers me.
tim pool
I think it'll come to a point where I'm like, Hey everybody, thanks for joining the show.
We're going to sit here in silence for the next hour and then we'll go to TimCast.com.
No, you can't set up a live stream for the purpose of moving everybody to a different show.
So YouTube bans you for that.
ian crossland
That's weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like people have made streams where it's like, Hey, go watch this stream here on Twitch instead.
And then YouTube shuts the stream down and bans you for it.
So that won't ever come about, but it will be like, we're going to do a show for about 15 minutes.
What's your favorite color?
chris martenson
Blue.
tim pool
Oh, excellent.
And do you like Arnold Palmer's, the drink?
chris martenson
Yeah.
tim pool
They're good.
ian crossland
Can we just meditate?
tim pool
Then we'll do a 12-minute meditation.
Are those new glasses?
ian crossland
No, but thank you, Tim.
tim pool
Do you like my glasses?
All right, all right.
Bree Anna says, Tim, I would like to know your opinion on John McAfee and Whacked.
As well as the reason why several big names in online communities are censoring anything related to it.
What's going on?
I honestly don't know.
I did a video segment about it where his wife came out saying she didn't think he took his own life and he wasn't suicidal or anything like that.
I don't know.
I've heard a lot of speculation, but nothing I can really say.
You know, there's like apparently some crypto, Ethereum started moving around or something or like, like really small amounts.
They think they're NFTs.
No idea.
I honestly don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris martenson
I haven't seen anything about it really.
Nothing to get your arms around.
tim pool
Woody says, just wanted to mention something about that vitamin C stuff.
I looked into carnivore dieting a few years ago and there was information I discovered showing that we don't absorb as much vitamin C because it competes for the same receptors as carbs.
Any thoughts on this?
Do you know anything about that?
chris martenson
No, I haven't heard about that one, but it kind of makes sense.
So scurvy was a big thing, right?
It was awful.
Your teeth would fall out.
It was really bad.
So getting that vitamin C back in was really, really important.
Most of that, as far as I'm aware, not coming from meat itself.
It's coming from, you know, obviously certain types of fruits and vegetables, things like that.
tim pool
This is a big one, actually.
Andrea says, So Cuomo's shutdown of Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant was finalized in April 2021.
That plant provided 81% of New York's clean energy output.
It also provided 19-25% of New York's and surrounding areas total power.
Cuomo promised NYC would be okay without it.
Who would have guessed?
Yeah, they had power shutdowns.
chris martenson
The grid was failing.
It's just magic.
You just plug your plug in another outlet on the wall and it just shows up.
It's ridiculous how silly that is.
We need these new plants badly.
tim pool
I was talking to an activist once, and this was the craziest thing to me.
I was explaining how nuclear power is clean energy.
That, sure, we should make sure it's safe, no meltdowns, thorium salts, big thing, whatever.
And the response was, we don't need any of that, just plug your computer into the wall.
And I was like, right, right, well, sure, but we're talking about coal, power plants.
Yeah, we don't need any of those.
It's like in the wall.
I'm not kidding.
That was an actual conversation I had.
unidentified
They had to be joking.
tim pool
No.
lydia smith
It's like the milk on the shelf.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I was like, you know that there are like wires back there and it all connects to like the grid.
And there's a place where they store and produce it.
And they were like, no, it's just, I thought it was just like there.
unidentified
Wow.
chris martenson
Yeah, no, we have some big things to work on.
But I actually would be, I would sign up, not for these big boiling water nuke plants like they have at Indian Point, all that other stuff, forget that.
These little pebble bed reactors.
You know, we have the Voyager spacecraft is out there taking pictures from billions of miles away.
It's got a little nuke plant on it, right?
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
chris martenson
What are they?
They're just a way of, they take the heat and they convert it more directly into electricity.
You don't have to boil water.
So they have these little pebble bed reactors and things like that.
And they can fit in the size of a storage container.
What does it do?
It literally takes the energy that's coming out of the nuclear fission process That creates a lot of heat and it takes the heat and it converts it into electricity through either a thermoelectric process or some other process, right?
Where it's just taking that energy and converting it more directly, right?
So you can set these things up and it would power like five, six hundred homes in a neighborhood, right?
And it would last for decades.
ian crossland
Is it also uranium?
chris martenson
That is uranium, but I do like you mentioned thorium.
I like the lifters a lot.
I think we should invest in that technology.
tim pool
Right on!
chris martenson
We'll probably be buying it from China though because they're working on it, we're not.
tim pool
We're going to do one more because we really want to get to that member segment.
So Stephen Orr says, Shout from Akron Children's Hospital.
Keep the convo flowing.
I listen in the AM.
Takes my mind off my situation.
My son was born three months early.
Now he is six months old and has chronic lung issues.
Wizard Crossland.
ian crossland
My friend, I was born in Akron General.
My father used to work there as an orthopedic technician.
chris martenson
Nine months early, right?
That's what I heard.
ian crossland
I was born nine months early.
On demand.
tim pool
He emerged from a rift in the time-space continuum as you see him now.
ian crossland
My mother, my father meditated and I was born from the ether.
tim pool
And as his being was being formed, Ian's mom was like, We need more power!
unidentified
And the dad was like, it's not enough. I'm losing it. Don't give up.
ian crossland
And like the other three scientists like got blown back.
It was crazy.
chris martenson
And then Ian was like...
tim pool
It's an Akron story.
He was really gaunt with long fingers and he had gray scaly skin.
And he was like, what am I?
And they're like, quick, quick, hold him down.
And he was thrashing and screaming.
And then they gave him shrooms.
And then he started to change back to what he is now.
Now you see him as he is.
ian crossland
I've asked him like five times not to tell that story.
lydia smith
It checks out, though, doesn't it?
tim pool
OK, everybody, smash the like button.
Subscribe to this channel.
More importantly, go to TimCast.com.
Become a member.
We will have that members only segment up.
Yeah, hopefully around 11, but it might go long because it's going to get intense.
And you can follow the show at TimCastIRL on Facebook, Instagram, basically wherever else.
And we do the show live Monday through Friday at 8pm, so we will be back tomorrow.
And you can follow me personally at TimCast.
Do you want to shout out your channels or anything?
chris martenson
Sure, you can find me at peakprosperity.com.
That's my big ol' website there.
Got a great team helping me run that.
And check out Chris Martinson, M-A-R-T-E-N-S-O-N, at YouTube, at Chris Martinson on Twitter, all over the place.
ian crossland
You do subscriptions on peakprosperity.com?
chris martenson
We do!
We have subscriptions, we got a paywall, and we go deep.
So anybody who wants to actually follow where the data's going, and we got a great community of people.
Really smart, really curious.
tim pool
Someone said Ian is a homunculus.
unidentified
What's the name?
ian crossland
You gotta play Magic to get it, I guess.
What is that?
He's like a little one-eyed... The Homunculus?
tim pool
Homunculus is an artificial human made by alchemists.
ian crossland
You know me so well.
tim pool
So your parents were alchemists and they manifested you into that?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, yeah.
My dad was in the Navy.
Y'all can follow me at IanCrossland.net and at IanCrossland on all social media.
Thank you for coming.
tim pool
Did you guys notice the sword behind Ian?
unidentified
Oh, yeah, this is Link's master sword, is it not?
tim pool
Yeah, it's the master sword.
lydia smith
We can see part of it.
ian crossland
There's a Triforce embedded in the door.
tim pool
We're moving the studio.
They're beginning construction tomorrow.
lydia smith
Man, I'm stoked.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's the same building, just the table's gonna be attached to the ceiling, not the floor.
chris martenson
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, we're going crazy.
chris martenson
Nice.
I'd love to hear it.
You deserve it.
lydia smith
And I'm also in the corner.
I was going to say Ian's parents were trying to make gold and they came up with Ian, which I would say is a pretty good exchange.
You guys can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I attempt to gain more followers than Sour Patch Kids.
tim pool
Go to TimCast.com, become a member.
The episode will be up at some point tonight.
It may go long and we'll see you all there.
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