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June 17, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:17:45
Timcast IRL - ENTIRE Portland Riot Police Squad RESIGNS, ITS HAPPENING w/ Michael Malice
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luke rudkowski
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michael malice
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tim pool
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ian crossland
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tim pool
The entire Portland Police Riot Squad has resigned.
Apparently, one of these cops struck an activist photographer.
I guess the establishment politicians were like, you attacked the press.
And they're like, dude, that guy's a rioter, pretending to be the press.
And I guess the immediate response, and the best response, was probably Michael Madlis' when he waved his arms in the air, like Ron Paul yelling that it was happening.
michael malice
Yeah, it's great.
Me and Luke were very happy to hear this.
tim pool
Christmas.
But it isn't actually, I think you're right.
It's a joke when we're like, it's happening.
But think about it.
It was only a matter of time before the police were like, dude, these people are rioters.
And the politicians were like, shut up, do as you're told.
And they said, we quit.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
That's big.
michael malice
Well it's also, as someone who is a big proponent of casting aspersions on the police, both as a group and as individuals, part of the reason behind that strategy is that as the cost of anything increases, the cost of a car, the cost of a book, the cost of soda, at a certain point some people are like, I can't afford this book, I can't afford this soda.
And for police that's going to be like, why am I putting up with being disrespected if not contempt okay maybe i'm putting up with it because i'm making my neighborhood a better place i'm helping my family like i get it this is politics and i'm the whipping boy at the moment fine but at a certain point it's like wait wait i'm gonna get treated like crap
And I can't do the base level job like writing is like something that's unambiguous.
This isn't like selling Lucy's or jaywalking.
It's like this is 101 cop stuff that I sign up for.
So I don't I'm shocked and delighted that Know that they're giving up their pensions because listen anyone who has a job I'm gonna speak positively about the cops now and honestly anyone has a job in a family It is really damn hard to be like I quit Yeah, like you have to give people credit for walking the walk and talking to talk.
tim pool
It's it's not all good news.
Mr Mouse We've got some other stories the McCloskey's have agreed to give up their guns haven't been deported.
michael malice
So yeah, of course Oh, right, right.
tim pool
Sure Well, the McCloskeys are giving up their guns.
It's kind of not that big a deal because I guess they're not felons, they can go buy more, but man, is it screwed up that their guns were taken in the first place.
And it's a bad sign, but there are some positives ahead.
I think one of the things that Michael Maus will be talking about is the Mises Caucus and Dave Smith and Press Secretary Michael Malice.
So we're going to have a very, very fun conversation around that.
I better get some energy.
Yes, make sure you drink up that caffeine, Michael.
Thanks, he's got pizza as well.
And we're gonna talk a lot about... Michael's also got a book we'll get into.
michael malice
Yes, sir.
tim pool
We're also hanging out with, of course, Luke Woodkowski, so... That's a lot of aspartame you got there.
luke rudkowski
And howdy!
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And thanks so much for having me.
I also have a YouTube channel, We Are Change.
So yeah.
ian crossland
That's right, dude.
And I'm Ian Crosland.
What's up, everybody?
Glad to see you, Michael.
I'm so glad you're back.
I'm so excited to hear about your book, man.
michael malice
It's great.
ian crossland
I don't know if we'll ever get into your experience in North Korea at all tonight.
michael malice
Konnichiwa.
ian crossland
Thank you very much.
tim pool
That's the wrong language.
ian crossland
I speak none of it.
michael malice
Have you been there?
tim pool
To Korea?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes.
michael malice
To North Korea?
tim pool
No.
michael malice
Then you don't know.
I wrote the book on it!
tim pool
My great-grandfather is from there.
michael malice
I heard he wrote a tiger.
tim pool
That's right.
That's right.
This is an inside- I guess it's an inside joke.
People are gonna be like, what are they talking about?
Anyway!
ian crossland
That's all I had to say.
I love you, Tim.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.
This is always fun.
We always have a blast with Michael Malice.
I'm really excited that this news is breaking when he's here.
michael malice
Oh, and shouting out to Adrian and Jesse, who are, I'm sure, in the chat room.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
How's it going?
tim pool
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michael malice
And I'm gonna say one more thing.
People always complain about all these different corporations who are like, Subject to woke ism and are scared of getting canceled.
Well, this is the positive alternative Which is when you support the outlets that support the creators you're like you're not doing charity You're getting something for it and something that's a quality product and then you can feel good about yourself So I've got sponsor you got sponsors and I feel just like you they've been with you for a long time I feel happy to promote them because they're putting their money where their mouth is and they're taking a risk to some extent by supporting someone who like if I was tied or someone of these horrible conglomerates I would find radioactive You pointed all the sodas.
tim pool
Well, in that regard, I've got some other news, too.
Go to TimCast.com, become a member, because you'll get something for your membership.
You get exclusive members-only segments, and there will be one which goes up around 11 p.m.
after every show, every night.
But you're not just getting access to this wonderful members-only stream.
We recently brought on Cassandra Fairbanks to lead our newsroom.
Michael Maus is super excited.
Cassandra's fantastic.
michael malice
Yes.
ian crossland
She's getting a monkey.
tim pool
She's getting a monkey.
michael malice
No, no, no, don't do it.
Don't do it.
Cassandra, don't do it.
ian crossland
She's already tweeted out.
luke rudkowski
It's too late.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't baby. No
michael malice
I'm visiting tomorrow Look, okay. Let's let's get through this right? Let's get
real. Let's get serious. This is a pipe by monkeys in Thailand before giraffe
okay, this is Hippo Oh Wow
My mammoths are extinct.
I know a lot about zoology and killing animals.
Pat Benatar, the 80s singer who's amazing.
She had an autobiography and I read it.
It was very good.
There's one sentence.
She grew up in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, which you would know very well.
And she goes, when I was in junior high school, we had a monkey.
And I'm talking like Tim now.
I'm doing my Tim cadence.
unidentified
There you go.
michael malice
And I'm sitting there reading it as someone who's a co-author of books, and I said, for the ghostwriter, whose name is on the cover, I go, if you're interviewing someone to write their book, and they say, oh, we had a monkey, that's a chapter.
Because every day when Pat Benatar comes home, there's something with this effing monkey.
Like the monkey's getting into places.
It's, it's, it's pleasuring itself.
It's raping.
The monkeys are not good pets.
tim pool
It's too late, Michael.
She's gotten.
michael malice
And on the friends reunion, when David Schwimmer was asked, what was the one thing you liked least about the show?
He said this monkey.
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice
Cause I had to interact with it.
Like we do a whole scene and then the monkey just not doing its thing.
We have to do it from scratch.
That's why they got rid of Marcel on that show.
ian crossland
I'm more excited about the monkey now.
tim pool
I was actually more excited that Cassandra was going to be writing stories for the website and leading a team and bring people on.
michael malice
This is a big mistake.
ian crossland
Dude, she's getting a monkey.
michael malice
It's not!
It's awesome on paper.
They're horrible pets.
tim pool
Well, you'll have to talk to her about it.
michael malice
We'll have to put it down.
tim pool
It's too late, though.
She's gotten the monkey.
michael malice
It's not too late to put it down.
ian crossland
Has she named the monkey?
tim pool
I don't know.
michael malice
Bitey.
tim pool
Actually, I think so.
michael malice
All monkeys are called Bitey.
tim pool
But anyway, the point I was going to make was that when you're a member of TimCast.com, the money that goes in from your membership is going towards hiring more journalists.
So I just had a call and a conversation with some journalists.
We're going to be poaching some journalists from some other companies you know and love because that's the way the market works, I guess.
And we're going to be making sure that we can support these people.
So like your membership is going to go to make sure that real journalists are getting paid so they can live and they can actually do the good work.
And if you saw the bonus segment, yes, I did ask Ivory if she wanted a job.
But, you know, we'll see how things play out.
I don't want to do like a big show where it's like, oh, this journalist is now looking for work.
Let me make it a thing.
michael malice
Let me talk something else to build what you just said on.
I know for a lot of people, you remember, I'm sure, there was that CNN piece where Brian Stelter had some kind of media experts on.
And they were not mentioning you by name, but they were specifically complaining, like, there's these YouTube shows that are new shows and their audience is like 10 times the size of ours.
What are we going to do about this?
The point why they're right to be upset, even if your show was a tenth the size of Brian's, or 1%, if you're having someone with a different point of view, and someone that's coherent and comports to reality, that is going to punch way above its numbers in terms of destroying the corporate media narrative, right?
Because if you have, you know, New York Times, blah, blah, blah, it's going to have its stuff, and then one person comes along and goes, this story's actually bullcrap, Just like my book on Amazon.
It's the same as Barack Obama's book.
You just get your own page.
That journalist, it's article is going to look on Tim Katz just like an article in the New York Times.
And people will be able to make their own informed choices now.
tim pool
Yep.
So good for you.
We're also going to be hiring fact checkers to work independently out of a different office.
So, if someone here writes an article, someone else at a different office who's not in communication will then read the article and then say, let me check this.
michael malice
How much does... I need a fact checker for my next book.
Okay, good to know.
tim pool
But we're gonna be hiring staff fact checkers.
They're gonna make phone calls.
They're gonna basically redo the story to make sure, on our end, we're doing real journalism.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
Of course, there's been a lot of activist groups that are really outraged by Cassandra, but this is what your membership is getting.
It's getting people like Cassandra.
For all her feistiness on Twitter, she's doing great journalism.
michael malice
She is amazing.
luke rudkowski
I got some exciting plans.
tim pool
She really is.
luke rudkowski
I'm gonna hire the monkey to write for WeAreChange.org and give it some cigarettes.
unidentified
I forgot what it's called.
tim pool
It's small.
Is it a capuchin?
No, it's not a capuchin.
michael malice
A marmoset?
tim pool
Marmoset.
michael malice
Okay, those are better.
tim pool
They're like squirrels.
michael malice
They're very small, but they're very erratic.
tim pool
So, if people aren't familiar with Cassandra, she writes for Gateway, and I'm not a fan of Gateway at all.
Because a lot of their articles, it's sensationalist, really over the top.
michael malice
Yeah, you don't want to have a video with a big crazy headline, right?
tim pool
But Cassandra, her articles are really straightforward, researched, she calls for comments.
She's the best.
It's fantastic, so we're going to be bringing that in, and we're going to be bringing more people in.
michael malice
And I think it's great that you're in a position to, not that I'm just going to spend two hours blowing smoke up your ass, but I get it.
I think it's great that when you're hiring someone they're not some milquetoast I'm not gonna name names people on Twitter, but she's a brawler Oh, yeah, so if they start coming for her.
It's not like she's gonna be like let me talk to my editor She's like okay.
We could do this and PS.
I have a monkey now Right.
tim pool
My attitude is like, you know, what I say, I'm not going to name the person who, but you can see it on Twitter, started tweeting like some, you know, bold moves by the Beanie Compound or whatever, and quoting Cassandra.
And I'm like, these activists are engaging in a harassment campaign against my female journalists.
And I was like, you don't get to- Who's a single mom?
Yeah, exactly.
You don't get to go on the New York Times and complain about journalism.
michael malice
And women in journalism, specifically.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
Anyway, this was a really long promo.
But hey, TimCast.com, be a member and help support the expansion because Paranormal Show's coming next.
We've been talking about it for a while.
So we're getting this, like, this is a really great writer that we're talking to right now.
His stuff's fantastic.
And it's like deep academic view and research into crazy stories and paranormal research.
None of this ghost hunting, like, oh, I got an EVP.
Like, I want legit scientific We compared, you know, control groups.
I want legit, here's the history of the old haunted house and what we found out about it.
Real cool stuff.
And we're going to do a podcast and Cassandra's going to be involved in that as well.
michael malice
Do you want to know the story of number 13, Berkeley Square?
ian crossland
Yeah, what is that?
tim pool
Let's get started, I guess.
Sure.
michael malice
It's a ghost story, but it's, it's, this is my favorite ghost story because I, it reflects on me personally.
When I was a kid, there was a book of ghost stories I read and they talked about number 13, Berkeley Square.
And the point being, it's a very famous neighborhood, very rich neighborhood now.
There were a couple of sailors there in like the 1800s, any port in a storm, they... It was supposed to be haunted, and one guy's like, all right, if you get scared, ring this bell, and, you know, whatever.
They separate, the guy hears the bell ringing, he goes upstairs to see his friend, and the friend is dead with a look of horror on it, with a look of terror in his face.
People who visit the house said the walls were, this is, I love, as an author, like, interesting phrasing, they said the walls were filled with electric horror.
When I was an adult, my favorite author is E. Nesbitt.
She's a British children's novelist.
I ordered a manuscript that was ever published, and it turned out that it was a bookstore that is number 13 Berkeley Square.
I'm like, oh my god, I thought this when I was a kid.
He goes, I could give you the tour.
That room is like a broom closet.
So it's kind of spooky because it's small, but it's not haunted.
But that's the story number 13, Berkeley Square.
unidentified
Oh, that was it?
tim pool
Some guy died?
michael malice
Well, no, there was a couple of people who died of horror, like, and there was like no cause for it.
ian crossland
There's something about the electric, I think it's called phantom DNA, where they bombard DNA in a vacuum with electrons, and then they remove the DNA and the electrons stay there as if the DNA is still there for like two weeks or longer.
I mean, and so I think this goes crazy.
michael malice
I love stories like this.
tim pool
Right, so that's the plan man. That's awesome. Yeah, so we're gonna
We're gonna be having someone who's dedicated to that kind of production, and then we want to make a cool mystery
spooky paranormal stuff basically, I view it as kind of just like a
Research into the unknown you know what I mean, so I'm not I don't necessarily believe in ghosts
I just say well there's interesting stories, but I think all these ghost hunter shows just make crap up like there's
michael malice
one exception So I met the guy who was like the EP on Jesse Ventura's show.
And, or maybe he wasn't, I don't want to out the guy, I don't remember who it was, but he worked on the show.
And I said, how many of these stories are real?
He's like, yeah, okay, it's all crap.
But he's like, he came in with an open mind being like, okay, is this real?
Is it not?
And everything was like, okay, this is nothing.
He said, Skinwalker Ranch.
He goes, I don't know what the hell was going on there, but that stuff is real.
So that is like the real Area 51 that people don't know about.
ian crossland
It's Skinwalker Ranch.
michael malice
I think they made a show about it now, but this was like five or six years ago.
tim pool
Actually, one of our first segments we ever did on this show was about Skinwalker Ranch.
What is it?
michael malice
No, please tell me.
tim pool
I don't know.
It's been a long time since we went over the story.
michael malice
It's apparently like this place where they have private air stuff.
And it's like no one's allowed near it.
And it's just there's a lot of weird stuff having to do it because it's like there's this one guy who has a monopoly license that no one else in the country has.
This is all like playing telephone.
I'm completely garbling the story people can look it up themselves.
But there was it's one of those like Bohemian Grove, where there's like lots of questions.
And surely there's some kind of logical answer.
But on the face of it, it's like this is weird, weird stuff.
tim pool
I just googled it and there's a breaking news story from two days ago.
Alleged UFO sighting at Skinwalker Ranch, Brandon Fugle's eyewitness account on Jessup's journal.
So apparently at Skinwalker Ranch there's like a bunch of weird sightings, creepy creatures, UFOs and stuff.
We have this story from, this is an NBC story, they say.
Uh, ABC- I'm sorry, this is ABC 4.
There are some things that can't be explained in this episode of Utah Success Stories.
You'll see a preview, blah blah blah.
Okay, legend has it that supernatural activities occur on a piece of land surrounded by the Ute Indian Reservation.
Is it Ute?
In the U- Untah Basin.
michael malice
What is a Ute?
tim pool
Is that what it is?
michael malice
It's my cousin Vinny, sorry.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
The two Utes!
unidentified
It's Uintah, that's how that's pronounced.
tim pool
Ah, I remember that joke.
Brandon Fugle bought the land five years ago and brought in a team of scientists to see if the legends were true.
What's the thing that he knows now that he didn't know before surprises him the most?
I bought the ranch as a skeptic, as a healthy skeptic.
I had never seen a UFO, a ghost, or an orb, or anything of the sort in my life, and I disclosed that to the previous donor.
Fugle claims that he and his team have experienced unexplained phenomena.
I was surprised at how open he was when he told me.
Those first six months of owning it, I really saw nothing in myself that would lead me to believe that there was anything unusual.
Well, that all changed.
I had with multiple witnesses with me an occasion where we saw what can only be described as an unidentified flying object.
A craft, a 40, 50 foot long silver disc hovering right above the mesa, right in front of us.
This wasn't just blinking light in the sky or something that was a little bit ambiguous.
This was a solid object that appeared out of nowhere and nowhere could move in the blink of an eye and over a 20 second period perform maneuvers that I believe defy any propulsion physics that were acquainted with it.
So there's a lot of stories like this.
I don't know.
I actually think this website is meant to just like promote something related to a show or something.
michael malice
Sounds like it.
But it's the other thing I want to point out.
My dad was, excuse me, my grandfather was an aircraft controller in the Soviet Union.
I've told the story of the shows.
So he was really high up.
And I asked him about UFOs.
He goes, we saw this kind of stuff all the time.
And the thing people don't appreciate is it's really easy to be like, oh, this is some guy who was drunk in the middle of the field.
It's like, no, no, these are professionals who on a day to day basis interact with all kinds of aircraft.
Who are doing military so they know what the American capabilities are.
And American capabilities to this day aren't what these people are saying.
My grandpa's like, we saw this all the time.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but I'm like, he's like, it's not nothing.
luke rudkowski
There's reports of these ever since World War II, so they've been going on for a long time.
There's been this media push surrounding China or Russia having advanced military technology, and this is why we need to bolster the military-industrial complex.
We've been hearing that talk, but if this has been going on since World War II, there's no way Russia or China could develop that kind of technology all the way back then.
So that theory that the mainstream media is trying to push out there as we're waiting for the disclosure to come out by the Pentagon any freaking day now is absolutely false on many merits.
michael malice
First of all, please don't call the mainstream because you know they're depraved and not part of the mainstream, they're corporate.
luke rudkowski
And number two is... I want to say some other words, but they won't be family friendly.
michael malice
My understanding is that after the Soviet Union fell apart and a lot of these files were declassified, there were a lot of documentation in the Soviet Union where they were like, they thought these are American vests that they were seeing because they're like, we don't have anything that's like this.
This must be the Americans with the Americans app.
So both sides assumed it was the other, because they knew, okay, it's not us, it's not our allies.
luke rudkowski
But after World War II, there was a time, a short period, where the United States and Russia talked to each other, and they were talking to each other specifically about these unidentified flying objects that are defying the laws of science.
So we even see the diplomatic communications between those two countries saying, hey, is this you?
unidentified
No.
luke rudkowski
Is this you?
unidentified
No.
luke rudkowski
What's going on here?
We don't know.
And then the Cold War hit its kind of precipice, and then things got severe, and then diplomatic communications stopped, and we don't know what's going on.
michael malice
Not to be all tinfoil hat, although I still have Alex's at my house.
There is a very concerted effort in, like, corporate media to, like, don't look outside, look at the screens and look at what we're telling you.
And anything that doesn't fit our narrative, which is our narrative is we can explain everything for you.
Go to your couch, turn on CNN, turn on Fox, whatever.
We will tell you what the news is and how to think about it.
Since they don't have a narrative here, it's going to be really tricky for them.
So they're like, oh, it's all crazy people.
Or it's storks.
Storks can't hover.
The guy who bought this ranch, if there's eyewitnesses, if there's four of them, they know the difference between a stork and a 50-foot object.
tim pool
It's getting weird.
So a lot of people think this big UFO talk, they're gonna release this report, is just a distraction.
It's an effort to bolster the military, to preempt it.
Well, it's a distraction from, like, the very serious problems that are happening right now.
Like, was it China just flew 28 warplanes into the Taiwanese air defense zone, which is freaking everybody out.
The U.S.
has got a strike group in the area.
Then Russia does war games off Hawaii.
These things would scare people.
So then what do they do?
They dangle a UFO, and they're like, Look over here!
Don't look at the war!
That's potentially on the verge of breaking out.
Look at the UFO in the sky and, oh, the report's coming out.
Obama comes out and says it.
But it'll be interesting, because it is weird.
michael malice
Yeah, the first thing Bill Clinton did when he came to the White House, he says to Webb Hubble, he's like, find out what happened with JFK and what's going on with UFOs.
tim pool
And then when he found out that his face just turned pale, or was he like laughing?
luke rudkowski
He got introduced to Jeffrey Epstein.
unidentified
No, he said, turn it in.
michael malice
He's like, hey, here's your... Here's why they don't talk about the UFOs.
Yeah, you go up to a UFO, but you come down a rapist.
tim pool
That's right.
michael malice
No one wants that.
Well, apparently a few people do.
ian crossland
I wonder if it's corporations.
luke rudkowski
There was a big article by Newsweek today that actually talked about Bill Clinton's relationship with Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and how it was obfuscated with Prince Andrew and how the whole Prince Andrew saga, according to a journalist that works on the royal family, specifically very closely together, that the whole thing that happened with Prince Andrew was just a distraction so no one would pay attention to the larger Bigger and longer relationship that Bill Clinton had to Epstein.
tim pool
I am really impressed how we went from your ghost story to Skinwalker Ranch to UFOs to Epstein.
It's like an amazing segue here.
luke rudkowski
And this is Newsweek reporting this today, which is absolutely surprising that finally this is breaking in the mainstream and this is widely talked about.
And I find it absolutely important, because when you really look at the true realms of what has been going on behind the scenes of government, and now these people are saying, trust us, we're going to tell you what happens with these aliens, you know, there should be a lot of skepticism, to say the least.
tim pool
I have an absolutely amazing conspiracy theory that I was reading the other day.
It was on Reddit.
It started with a 4chan post.
I know, I know, I know.
It's amazing.
I love it.
It's like this absolutely ridiculous 4chan post where someone's claiming a bunch of things about viruses merging with human DNA thousands of years ago and what's really happening with the UFOs and what's going on.
But I can't talk about it because YouTube, it includes some of the taboo subjects.
So as we'll do, we'll save it for the bonus segment.
It's, it's, dude, it's like, it's the most ridiculous, insane garbage I've ever read.
However, it would make an awesome movie.
Like the secret wars with Trump and like what's really happening with the aliens and like, it's, uh, I guess I would call it chicken coop theory.
michael malice
What's that mean?
tim pool
That the Earth is a chicken coop for aliens.
unidentified
That's a great theory.
michael malice
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I've heard that.
The UFOs are just basically like, you know, when I go out and I'm wearing my boots and I'm like throwing feed into the chicken area and the chickens are like, what's happening?
There's a giant thing here.
What is it?
That's how we are with these aliens.
And so, but I can't talk about it because it includes some medical stuff.
ian crossland
And when they come straight at us, we can't see them.
So we have to turn our head to see them sideways.
But that's why people only see like flashes of light and things they can't necessarily.
tim pool
Or it's multi-dimensional.
ian crossland
Because they keep coming straight at us.
tim pool
It's a different dimension, like Alex was saying.
But we'll do a big bonus segment on this.
We'll have a lot of fun with it.
Let's jump into the actual like main news.
And then we got a lot to talk about.
So this story is the, it's happening.
From the Daily Mail, Portland Police's entire riot squad resigns after cop was indicted for striking activist photographer, who they insist was a rioter, with baton during violent protest, saw government building set alight.
The Portland Police Union said the officers would be leaving the squad in response to the indictment on Tuesday of member Corey Budworth.
Budworth was charged with assault related to an August 18-20 incident in which he allegedly struck a photographer, Terry Jacobs, with a baton.
The police union said the officers were set upon by 200 protesters and that Budworth had accidentally hit Jacobs in the head.
They have also claimed Jacobs was part of the riot.
She was not charged with any crime and was awarded a $50,000 settlement by the city of Portland over the incident.
Despite the resignation, the officers would remain employed by the Portland Police Department.
It's not clear how this will affect the department's ability to respond to riots.
You know, I really love how they say it's the riot squad responding to protests.
Can we just say the riot squad responds to riots?
I guess they do respond to protests too.
So they're not quitting the entire department.
They just are refusing to go out during riots anymore.
michael malice
And here's another thing in their defense, is that you see in a lot of these places they arrest people and then it's just a revolving door.
The prosecutors aren't gonna do anything.
Explicitly so.
So then it's like, wait, wait, wait.
I gotta get in the middle of this drama.
People are gonna be throwing whatever at me.
Everyone's gonna hate me.
I'm gonna arrest this person.
The person's gonna be like, just walk right out the door.
At the very least, why am I putting in all this effort?
tim pool
It's worse than that now.
And this is what I love about it.
I've been going on, people were tweeting at you because I said abolish the police.
They were like, Michael, you've done such great work with Tim.
That's true.
But my reason for abolish the police is not the same as yours, I think.
Although I do think, definitely, the conversations we've had have been influential to my opinions as well.
I think the reason they should be leaving is because they can't do their jobs functionally anymore.
I agree.
So we agree, but I think you're more of the anarchist, the police are bad across the board.
I definitely agree with you on the gun thing, for sure.
That was a good argument.
But what we're seeing now is, not only will the police, if they arrest someone, nothing happens to that person, They're actually arresting the cops now!
That's amazing!
Imagine the kind of feckless, pathetic, spineless jellyfish cop you'd have to be to turn around and arrest your own cop who is doing literally what the city told him to do.
michael malice
Well, that guy's a hero because that means that those cops who are enforcing constitutional laws should be arrested, right?
So those are the good guys.
tim pool
So then what happens is one by one, they'll start arresting each other?
michael malice
I mean, I don't know about one by one, but in all seriousness, like, yeah, I obviously I'm no friend of the police and I always say and I will defend that every cop is a criminal.
But at a certain point, it's just like you feel, I'm sure the vast majority of people who are police officers feel, all right, it's a tough job.
Someone's got to do it.
And I'm really helping people.
I'm stopping murders.
I'm stopping rapists.
Like little kids are not getting snatched.
Yeah, it sucks, but someone's got to do it.
I'm doing a good job of it.
At a certain point, if in any gig, like if you had Ian here and you're like, Ian, you can only talk for 30 seconds every hour.
It's at a certain point.
It's like, why am I even here?
Like what am I doing here?
Right?
So it's the same thing.
It's like, I have this job and I have my fantasy or my, you know, ideal version of what it's going to be.
And my boss.
is not only not allowing me to do it, but it's taking steps to prevent me to do it.
It's just like, how much respect do you have for me?
I'm getting crapped on by the people on the street.
I'm getting crapped on by my boss and my colleagues.
How am I going to have dignity for my home?
tim pool
Let's take it one step further.
Please!
michael malice
Let's take it as many as possible.
tim pool
Here's what I mean.
Let's say, you know, like Luke's joined us on the show.
You know, he comes in periodically.
Imagine if I said, here's the only things you're allowed to talk about.
Make it really, really difficult for him, and then Then he actually does what I tell him to do, and I get mad because it just, for some reason, caused me problems, so I lock him in the basement.
michael malice
And you publicly denounce him.
No, no, I'm serious because these cops' names are public.
So that means they're known by all their neighborhood that I got arrested for doing my job.
That's not gonna feel nice.
luke rudkowski
Well, how dare you equate me to a cop, first of all.
Second of all, The police union chief had a very interesting comment.
He said our RRT members do not volunteer to have Molotov cocktails, fireworks, explosives, rocks, bottles, urine, feces, and other dangerous objects thrown at them.
He noted that the team members volunteer for the work without any specific pay.
So these members are stepping down out of this response unit.
The mayor, Wheeler, asked them, please, don't do this.
Don't do this.
And then the police responded, well, too bad.
We're doing this anyway.
After, of course, all the major political decisions that have been happening in Portland.
tim pool
Now, here's the best part.
Imagine I ask Luke to come on the show.
I then say, here's the only things you're allowed to say.
Then, even when he just does what I asked, I publicly denounce him.
Luke, instead of quitting the show, says, well, I won't talk about foreign policy anymore.
And he keeps coming to the show.
These cops, they're resigning from the riot squad.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And they're staying with the city, staying under the boot of the corrupt system that's literally trying to put a cop in jail because they sent him out at a riot.
michael malice
I was trying to talk nice about the cops.
You're making it harder.
unidentified
Kimberly Potter?
tim pool
Oh no, I won't have it man. I've been saying for a while.
You know that woman in Minnesota, she shot the guy.
He was a wanted felon for a gun charge or armed robbery.
What was her name? Kimberly Potter?
unidentified
Kim Potter.
tim pool
Yeah, this was during the Chauvin trial.
She was trying to- she was going for a taser, and then she pulled her gun on accident.
She shoots the guy, and I- Oh yeah, that's- yeah, yeah, okay.
I said, I hope- good, prison.
Right to prison.
Of course.
michael malice
Because- Negligence, yeah.
tim pool
Well, there's two things.
One is, you are responsible for anything that comes out of your gun, period.
unidentified
How sad.
tim pool
However, if she actually shot him, she would have been justified.
Not that I'm happy that it happened, it's a sad, tragic story, but he was a wanted fugitive who had a gun and jumped in his car, The point is, as I've described it, the people of Minnesota, the officers, and of Portland, are standing inside a burning building.
We've warned them repeatedly to get out.
And in response to a giant beam smacking one of the cops in the head, they go, well, we'll stand in the kitchen instead of the living room.
It's like, maybe just get out, dude.
I've got a lot of messages from cops who have said that they're the cops that I refer to as the good cops who got out when they saw how bad it was getting.
And these are the cops who want to save a little kid from getting kidnapped.
These are the cops who want to stop the drug dealers from destroying our neighborhoods.
These are the cops who want to make sure that crime isn't skyrocketing in New York City.
But they can't do it anymore.
They're getting targeted.
They're getting arrested.
So they're quitting.
And even in the military, there's similar things happening.
luke rudkowski
I saw your face, Michael, and I agree with you because if we look at policing the last few months, what have they been doing?
They've been arresting religious pastors.
They have been arresting private businesses.
They have been enforcing unconstitutional, illegal decrees of politicians and destroying people's livelihoods while protecting the billionaire class.
The NYPD, the Florida Police Department, prosecutors, judges, the FBI, intelligence agencies, All looked the other way for 30 years when it came to children being hurt in the most unspeakable ways with a Mr. Epstein.
So there's a lot of, you know, discontent to bring up there, especially what's happening in Canada right now, where there was a horrible video of a pastor being arrested in front of his children.
Maxine Burnet was just arrested for hosting a political rally.
Right now, the police in Canada are absolutely out of control, and I do believe we need to strike a balance, but we need to have an honest conversation that's not just one-sided on the issue.
tim pool
There have been a lot of problems with cops for a very, very long time.
But let's just keep in mind, the stuff we're seeing over the past year and into now, a lot of the cops you'd probably like have left.
michael malice
I was looking at my phone because a cop messaged me and he said, because of your work, I'm quitting the force and I'm mailing you my badge and I'm going to private security.
And I wanted to give him a shout out, which maybe I'll look for it later.
It's very kind of moving that I, even for one person, that he's like, okay, at the very least, even if you're going to stay in the force, acknowledge what it is that you're doing.
Like, I can even wrap my head around, okay, I'm violating the Constitution and I'm disarming people, but it's for greater good.
Fine.
Like, I could wrap my head around that.
tim pool
I told this story before.
When I went and was getting my first gun, the gun shop in Jersey said they had a big problem where a woman... So if you live in the South Jersey area, you're 10 minutes from Philadelphia.
You cross the bridge, you're in Philadelphia.
In Pennsylvania, you're allowed to bear arms.
Good law is not perfect.
Well, a woman was armed, legally, and she was going to Atlantic City.
Didn't look up the laws of New Jersey.
She made that mistake.
Cop actually arrested her on a felony charge.
It's like, why would the cop do that?
Why wouldn't the cop say, ma'am, you are not allowed to have this weapon here in New Jersey.
I'm gonna escort you back to the bridge.
You made a mistake, I understand.
Please leave.
Take your gun home to where it's legal for you to keep.
Come back to my state without that weapon.
Instead, he's just like, oh boy, I got one!
You're going to prison, lady!
ian crossland
Ha ha!
I'm thinking about what you said about abolish the police.
I'm wondering, and correct me if I'm wrong, if what you're really saying, so what you're saying is... Did you see I did that today?
I loved every minute of it.
michael malice
I Kathy Newman Jordan Peterson himself.
ian crossland
Shout out to Kathy.
But that you're suggesting that police boycott the department or strike on the department if it's corrupt.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Not abolish the entire system of policing.
tim pool
So it's a little bit more nuanced, but that is the gist of the point.
The other thing I'm saying is...
If the police force is becoming more and more corrupt, and some would argue, especially Black Lives Matter and Antifa, and even ANCAP's anarchists on the right of any capacity, that they've been corrupt for a very, very long time, notably Michael Kagan.
michael malice
I don't like that word corrupt here, because I think they're not being dishonest.
I think they're just being forced through politics to do things in a certain way.
tim pool
So I'll put it this way.
If the police are no longer serving the interests of the public, then why would I want to fund something that causes harm to good people?
If you're a cop and you want a better society, to be a hero, to help, then you need to reconcile one very important circumstance.
Black Lives Matter and Antifa have been smashing up buildings and destroying, setting fires, and these people are not going to jail, but if I choose to keep and bear arms in some ridiculous, twisted rule, if it comes into play, the cops will arrest me for that.
So if you look at Chicago, for example.
michael malice
And mandatory minimums often.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
So it's not like you're gonna get off that it's like, oh, it was your first time, it was an innocent mistake.
It's like, that judge has to sentence you often.
tim pool
Yep.
So this is the law.
So the cops need to understand.
Even if... I've had cops messaging me saying, look, we just arrest lawbreakers.
It's the DAs you're mad at.
And I said, no.
If you personally know this, and you do because you're emailing me and you watch the show, that the district attorneys If you know that if you arrest one Antifa and one conservative and send them both the DA, and the DA laughs and sends the Antifa on his way and then welcomes the conservative into prison for bearing arms, you are the one delivering people to prison.
And the officers can make the choice to say, Like I said with the New Jersey lady.
Look, lady, ma'am, you got a good cop right here.
I'm gonna escort you back to the bridge.
It's a 10-minute drive.
You're gonna go home.
You're gonna leave that gun.
Otherwise, some other state trooper is gonna lock you up, and I don't wanna see that happen.
No, he didn't!
He just said, ma'am, you're under arrest.
The story was, he pulls her over, and she did the right thing.
Officer, I am armed.
I just wanna let you know.
And he goes, right away, ma'am.
Please step out of the vehicle.
She gets up.
Put your hands behind your back.
Is something wrong?
Ma'am, quiet.
Hands behind your back.
Arrest her.
You're under arrest.
It's illegal.
It's a felony to carry that weapon in New Jersey.
That's it.
And she freaks out.
She panics.
A middle-aged woman going to go to the casino and have a good time.
Broke no laws.
Was legally bearing, I should say constitutionally bearing her arm.
But in New Jersey they say it's statutorily illegal.
And the cop had no problem sending a middle-aged woman into the prison system.
Fortunately, however, the NRA apparently got involved and then made a big stink.
And the DA dropped the charges and told her not to do it again.
They don't do that for people in inner-city Chicago, for young black men who want to protect themselves because there's gang violence.
I got no sympathy for somebody who wants to join gang violence.
michael malice
What about the old black ladies who are going to be left in New York City when everyone moves out, who are in the projects, who can't afford to move?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
michael malice
Lauren Chen, who you guys have had on, who I adore.
Uh, you know how sometimes someone just says one sentence that kind of just light bulbs you and just rattles you for a long time?
ian crossland
She's great.
michael malice
She's the best.
She was on my show, it was one of hers I remember, and she was having an issue in Canada because her dad had cancer and for like a year he couldn't even get like a scan.
It was something absolutely crazy.
And she just goes, why am I funding my own oppression?
And I was like, holy, like, you like, Lauren, you like nailed it.
And it's the kind of thing where it's just like, Yeah, why am I paying these high taxes in these cities so that the cops can leave me unsafe in my own home where I can't have a gun to protect myself, which is my God-given constitutional right and none of your business, right?
That's it, I mean- While you guys are ginning up as much unrest and burden roll down as possible at the same time.
tim pool
So my issue is, I'm in New Jersey, I had a cop actually tell me to go buy a gun because someone tried breaking in, and then I looked up the law and they're like, if the guy did break in, and you did shoot him, you go to prison!
Welcome.
And I'm like, what?
He broke into my house though, and look, we should've left.
Like, where am I supposed to go?
It's my house!
michael malice
It's a big house.
tim pool
Like, am I supp- No, no, no, this is back in Jersey.
Small house.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice
Yeah, small.
tim pool
I was like, it was all K-sized.
michael malice
I'm kidding, I'm joking.
tim pool
It's a five-bedroom.
But am I supposed to just go jump my fence in my backyard and go stand in the middle of the street in my underwear?
michael malice
You're supposed to die and be a statistic, and then they could say, look, we're fighting- Gun violence is at an all-time high.
We need more cops.
tim pool
Right.
luke rudkowski
That's what Lori Lightfoot is doing right now.
Her emails were also leaked recently and people are finding out the true picture of who she really was.
But places like Chicago and New York City have absolutely atrocious self-defense laws where even if you get attacked first, you defend yourself, you cause any mark or harm to the perpetrator, you go to jail.
No matter what the situation, no matter what the circumstance.
And these officers don't care.
tim pool
Let me tell you about what I think one of the biggest problems is.
Sure, I will always lay the blame at the feet of the perpetrator.
If a woman is wearing, you know, she's scantily clad clothing and walks through an alley and someone attacks her, she was not asking for it.
The perpetrator, the criminal, is who should be punished, who should be blamed, etc.
But there is personal responsibility involved.
You need to be aware of your own surroundings.
You need to take some responsibility.
So I don't think it's a one-for-one, like, when the left says, oh, people should be allowed to be drunkenly wandering around.
Like, I'm not going to go to an ATM at 3 in the morning, all right?
So I'll blame the gun control left and many of these Democrats in these big cities who push for these things.
And now I'm going to lay some blame at the feet of conservatives who refuse to fight back.
We have this story.
St.
Louis gun-waving couple plead guilty to misdemeanor charges.
Part of their plea is that they will be giving up their weapons.
They say, Mark and Patricia McCloskey, who waved guns at protesters last year who marched past their home, pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanors and agreed to give up their weapons.
Mark McCloskey will pay a $750 fine after pleading guilty to fourth-degree assault to Class C misdemeanor.
Patricia, 62, must pay a $2,000 fine after pleading guilty to second-degree harassment, a Class A misdemeanor.
Mark McCloskey could have faced up to 15 days in jail.
Patricia could have spent up to a year behind bars.
Neither will face jail time.
Do not vote for these people.
Isn't the guy running for office or something?
luke rudkowski
He's running for U.S.
Senate, and he just tweeted, don't worry, I have more guns to protect my family where that came from.
tim pool
Do not vote for this man.
He is a spineless coward.
michael malice
Wait, why is he spineless?
tim pool
When the cops came to take his guns away, he took a picture of them from behind and said, I don't want anyone to think bad of these cops who are confiscating our weapons.
michael malice
Oh, I didn't know that.
That's right.
tim pool
Now, he's dropping to his knees, scared of the state coming for him, giving up his weapons.
But I have more.
I don't care.
Dude, get out of here.
Should have fought the legal battle.
michael malice
You can't advise someone to be a martyr.
I would not feel comfortable taking on the state when there's this whole public frothing at the mouth mob, and I'm being made into a political victim.
tim pool
I'd do it.
michael malice
Maybe you would, but I don't think he's a coward for being like, I got a family, they've got me dead to rights because they can write the law whatever they want, and it's going to cost me millions of dollars, and the government can tax me to pay for them.
tim pool
I can't wait.
luke rudkowski
His comments are interesting and I think they provide us context here.
He said, quote, on his Twitter account.
I'm bringing this from his account.
Quote, let me be clear.
I am not surrendering any of my firearms.
I will continue to be one of the strongest advocates for the Second Amendment and around the country.
The two weapons that were seized from me were evidence in a criminal case.
Per the state of MO, they are to be incinerated.
So this is what the state... What?
No, I- I- I- I- It doesn't make any sense. It does not. The state is incinerating his weapons. That is so weird. But he
michael malice
gets to have other weapons. If something's evidence, you return it to the person, or you keep it as that's possibly-
unidentified
Yeah. But I guess this was a part of their plea deal. But why would they- That they agreed to. It's like- it's like a
ian crossland
circus. It's like they're doing this to entertain the masses. Yeah, yeah. They're like, look what we did. When
tim pool
the- When like- Do you like this sound? When the- When the cops came, they took a photo of the cops taking their guns,
but from behind, and said, we don't want to reveal the identities of the officers, because we don't want people
coming after them, whatever. And I was like, that's pathetic. The cops could have said no.
The cops could have said we do not agree with this and we will not enforce unjust laws.
These Black Lives Matter individuals broke onto private property.
And we even saw, was it the AG of Missouri say that they may as well have been in their living room.
It was a private lot.
It was a private property.
The whole block was privately owned.
They could have defended themselves.
Now don't get me wrong.
I think them coming out and her like waving the gun was very dumb.
I'm not a fan of that either.
But in this...
michael malice
They could have been very scared.
We don't know what that's like.
luke rudkowski
She didn't have good trigger discipline at all as well.
And she was literally having her finger on the trigger pointing the gun at her husband's
tim pool
head.
Well, and there was also...
They said the firing pin was reversed and the gun was inoperable.
The...
luke rudkowski
There was two guns.
tim pool
There was the AR-15.
luke rudkowski
And what looked like a revolver.
tim pool
No, it wasn't a revolver.
I don't remember what it was.
luke rudkowski
It was a small handgun.
tim pool
They claimed that the firing pin was reversed and the gun was inoperable.
When it was brought to the DA for evidence, they disassembled and reassembled it, and then said, oh, it works!
So a lot of people are coming out saying the state altered the evidence to claim it was a functioning device when the McCloskey said they had used it in a criminal trial before as evidence, and so the firing pin was reversed.
Maybe they're lying.
Maybe they went inside and immediately took it apart and did it.
I'm not going to accuse them of that, and I don't think the state has evidence they did that.
They just claimed that, well, upon taking it apart and putting it back together, we found it was functional.
These people should have absolutely said no.
They should have said, I will see you in court.
If no one will stand up to the system, the system will always win.
Always.
michael malice
I completely disagree with you.
I think when you don't know someone's personal circumstances, it's really easy to tell them, fight.
But this is the state.
I'm sorry.
I think at a certain point, some people like discretion is a better form of valor.
And I would love, me of all people, For F's sake.
Would love it if more people defied the state and stood up to it.
But at a certain point, you're like, okay, look at Duncan Lemp.
Uh, what happened with him.
Like they, they shot, killed him at three in the morning through the window and they dragged his pregnant girlfriend through the broken glass and blighted her up.
So you're telling me that it's not, that it's impossible that the next time that they're going to make sure Antifa goes by his house and the cops are just going to take 911, put it on, uh, take the phone off the hook and let nature take its course?
tim pool
What do you mean?
michael malice
Meaning, like, these kind of things happen all the time.
When someone is an enemy to the state, they look the other way and make sure that person gets taken care of.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
So, I mean, when you're saying, like, you should fight the state, you're asking them to really take their life into their own hands.
Now, I can understand how someone would do that, but it's also really easy for me to choose to understand if someone would want to not do that.
tim pool
Do you know what would happen if, right now in Chicago, every single person facing trial, facing an indictment or a criminal charge, asked for a jury trial?
michael malice
They would get charged with higher charges.
tim pool
Not true.
If in Chicago, every single person awaiting an arraignment or whatever, charged with a crime, said jury trial, they would all instantly be dismissed.
michael malice
Chicago, you think... I don't understand that.
Explain that to me.
tim pool
Because the city doesn't have the capability to handle that many trials at once.
michael malice
So what... Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice
Here's the two... I don't agree with you.
Because what happens is when places don't have resources, they're just going to keep you in jail longer.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I know friends who have been in jail for so long because of the COVID regulations.
And even COVID has stopped the court proceedings.
And what they did is just keep people in jail longer.
michael malice
So I'll tell you... I gotta ask you this.
You're saying that if everyone who is arrested right now in Chicago said, I demand a jury trial, The Chicago legal system's gonna be like, we can't do this, you're all going home?
tim pool
Is A the worst or the easiest?
probably would be dismissed yes so when I ended up getting charged with I think
a class C misdemeanor my brother got a class A they threat a the worst of the
easiest I actually I don't I don't know if it was a is the worst I think you got
it was I think it was a B okay I was facing 30 days my brother was facing six
months and the it was like six months of going to trial because long story short
some security guards at a mall falsely accused us and when they realized that
they got the wrong guys in a shoplifting they thought someone was
shoplifting.
They just lied to the cops.
The cops just said, whatever you say, and arrested us and charged us with assault and disorderly conduct.
They said they will give us the maximum penalty.
They said, you will plead guilty and you will take what we give you.
And at first what happened was my brother, fearing six months, said, I'll just plead guilty.
What will you have me do?
He said, we're going to give you community service.
And then I said, 30 days?
I'll go to trial.
This will be fun.
When the prosecutor heard that I said I wanted to go to trial over a slap on the wrist, they would give me community service.
She audibly screamed in the courtroom.
It shocked.
What?!
And then the judge had to tell her to chill out.
Our lawyer walks back over to us, and my brother is like, why is she yelling?
What happened?
Well, when she found out that you, like to me, being charged with a slap on the wrist level crime, wanted a jury trial, do you understand how much work that is for them?
So she's kind of mad.
My brother goes, Ever.
I want a trial now, too.
And he goes, you're sure?
And he goes, yep, jury trial.
And he goes, okay.
He walks back over and we see him go up to the prosecution, to the judge, and we hear her scream again.
And the judge starts saying, calm down.
And then they talk for a little bit.
Our lawyer walks back over to us and says the judge wants to see you in his chambers.
And the judge said, What is going on?
And we said, here's what happened.
And he goes, here's what's going to happen.
I don't want to hear any lawsuits.
I want this all to go away.
The charges are being dismissed.
You're free to go.
Is that it?
And we were like, yes, Your Honor.
He goes, have a nice day.
We asked the lawyer what happened.
And the judge, when he found out that my brother changed his mind and wanted a jury trial on a slap on the wrist charge, we'd get courts of provision and community service.
Nothing, right?
When the judge heard that and he said to the lawyer, why are your clients now trying to get a trial out of this?
It's five o'clock.
We want to go home.
And he went, um, your honor, because they're innocent.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And he went, oh, oh, case dismissed in my chambers.
And then he got up and walked in.
The problem is too many people just say, well, Because they're advised to be a public defender.
We were told to by our lawyer!
He said, guys, this is what's going to happen.
You're going to get community service.
It's all going to be over.
You're going to go home and play video games.
And you don't even got to do anything.
Your dad's a firefighter.
Ask him to sign the papers.
michael malice
You're done.
tim pool
And I said, no!
I want a jury to hear what happened when they accused me of shoplifting, beat the crap out of me and my brother when we did nothing wrong, and I'm gonna stand up there with conviction and say, I refuse to be beaten down by lying security guards who use the state because they screwed up.
And we won because of it.
Too many people are just scared.
I would gladly- I know, it was just 30 days.
They could have been facing a felony.
But I would gladly- And you didn't have families.
ian crossland
And she actually pointed a gun at people.
tim pool
That's just me, dude, but I'm hot-headed.
michael malice
They're gonna make sure that jury is gonna be filled with people who saw her brandishing that weapon.
luke rudkowski
Well, I'm very happy you brought up Duncan Lampe, but in Missouri, the Attorney General was one of the Attorney General's influence and sponsored by George Soros.
She had a proverbial hard-on for these people.
The police officers at first said we're not going to listen to these.
The DA?
Yeah, yeah, the DA in Missouri was specifically going after them.
Police officers at first said that they wouldn't comply, but then officially they complied later on through a little bit of protest.
So that's important context here as well.
Sorry, go ahead.
michael malice
And can I give people some legal background?
Speaking hypothetically, because I'm not a lawyer and I'm in a position to discuss this in a legal context, hypothetically it's a fairy tale.
If you happen to be on a grand jury, here's how grand juries work.
It's going to be like 25 people.
The DA is going to bring you some evidence.
And that evidence is not there to get a conviction.
All that evidence has to do is to say, in the eyes of the grand jury, there is enough evidence here to pursue charges.
Meaning it's not nothing, it's something.
And the joke is that any good DA can get you to indict a ham sandwich.
This is basically a formality, maybe the Founding Fathers era, whatever.
That said, most people, hypothetically, tend to be in want of a leader.
They're in that room.
They don't know what's going on.
They want to do the right thing.
They don't know what that is.
The only guidance they're getting is from that junior DA.
So they're going to come in, and they're going to cop, hypothetically, and say, oh, we found this leafy substance in this guy's house, and now this 18-year-old kid is going to be thrown in jail, possibly with rapists and murderers.
His entire life is ambiguous up until he gets charged or not.
If you are in that grand jury and you say, hey guys, There's nothing holding us to return what they call a true bill, which means he's indicted.
We can just vote no and ignore the evidence and someone could say, listen, we're here, we have a responsibility.
Do you really want to ruin this kid's life because he had a lot of weed in his house and was probably selling it?
Just think about everyone you know who's ever done weed.
Do you think they should go to jail?
Think about what jail means.
It's not like I can't go to my job.
It's like I'm locked in a little room with people that I know Kill children.
Rape women repeatedly.
And what will happen, hypothetically speaking, is that those jurors, now they've been given permission to do the right thing, be like, why am I ruining this kid's life?
I know people who smoke weed.
I don't think they should be going to jail.
Maybe they shouldn't be doing the right thing.
And that DA will come back and say, how did you guys say?
And they'll say, all charge has been dropped.
And they will not be able to ask you why.
And they're just going to be very, very confused because this hasn't happened.
But you will have been in a position to save some kids' life, and he will never know who did it or why, but he'll be very grateful, and you can go to sleep that you made the world a better place.
tim pool
There's also jury nullification.
michael malice
That is jury nullification.
tim pool
But you could be on an actual criminal proceeding.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
So, in the grand jury, yes.
If you are actually sitting on a jury, and they say, this guy, you know, had weed or something, and you don't think they should be in prison for it, you can say, not guilty.
And they're like, but the evidence, it's like, the cops found it, they presented it, he admitted it was his, yeah, not guilty.
luke rudkowski
I strongly recommend people look into jury nullification, and whenever you get a jury notice, don't see it as something negative.
See it as an opportunity to provide services to the community that could actually help people.
And I just want to make a quick correction.
The Missouri Attorney General actually filed to dismiss the charges, but it was Prosecutor Kim Gardner that was the one that was strongly going after them.
tim pool
And I will also add, the Governor said he wanted to pardon The gun-toting couple.
So what happened to a trial?
luke rudkowski
And then he would pardon them.
He announced that he would pardon and drop all the charges.
tim pool
They should have fought every step of the way.
And you know what?
This is the... Look, I hear what you're saying.
But if the leaders we have are the ones willing to drop the knee to the enemy combatants, then... These aren't leaders.
michael malice
These are just two old people.
luke rudkowski
Sure.
unidentified
They're not leaders.
tim pool
Then there's no cohesive resistance.
michael malice
There is cohesive... Cohesive resistance doesn't have to be unanimous.
I think, Tim, I just think it's really, really easy for us to sit here and tell people we've never met.
People tell you what you should be doing all the time.
I'm sure you don't like it.
tim pool
I mean, in what context?
michael malice
Like online, they're like, oh, your show should be like this, your show should be like that, so on and so forth.
It's like, you don't know me.
Thank you for your opinion.
So we don't know this couple.
Maybe she's got some kind of illness.
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, perhaps.
I'm just, like I said, maybe a little bit more hot-headed.
michael malice
Like I mentioned, it could be my Soviet blood.
So my Soviet DNA is like, once the state has gotten you in the eye of Sauron, do whatever you can to get out of the eye of Sauron.
luke rudkowski
Get out, flee as much as you can.
My family fled communism in Poland because it was just getting too crazy.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
That I understand.
That I understand.
michael malice
The issue I take here is that, I think, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but it sounds like you're saying the system works, and just because it worked for you guys, I don't know that it's at all a guarantee that it's going to work for these two.
And when you're a 63-year-old woman to go to jail?
tim pool
The system didn't work for us.
michael malice
Well, you got off.
tim pool
It was clear the only reason we did was because the system didn't want to deal with two jury trials.
michael malice
Sure, but the point is... That's how broken it was!
The point is, you managed to get the result that you wanted.
tim pool
Here's the issue I take with this, for the most part.
Certainly, I understand there are circumstances where a strategic retreat makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It would be dumb if you're like, I'm by myself and there's 500 people in front of me, but I'm charging in anyway!
That's really dumb.
They had the support of the right.
They had the support of the governor.
They had the support of the state AG.
michael malice
I didn't know that.
tim pool
They could have won this.
They could have been convicted.
And then the governor could have made a statement saying, I refuse to allow this in my state.
Unconditional pardon.
He could have done it.
For whatever reason, they had no faith.
So they decided just to get out with what they could.
Give their weapons up the entire, you know.
michael malice
I would not put my freedom in the hands of a governor, no matter what he said publicly at any time, because that word is worth nothing to me, and he would throw me under the bus in two seconds if it would help his re-election.
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
And I think therein lies a big part of the problem and the frustration I have is that the left absolutely will do everything in their power to win.
Kamala Harris will publicly solicit donations to get criminals and rioters out of prison, and the right can't even rely on their own to support them.
michael malice
Correct.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's frustrating.
ian crossland
I wanted to point out I think maybe there is a time and a place to bend the knee when
the villain's like on your knee and then you go down on your knee and he walks up to you
and you're like, yeah, you do like a giant uppercut.
michael malice
One of the things I'm talking about perhaps in my next book, The White Pill, which is
a lot about the Soviet Union is I don't think people in this country, I know people in this
country and I have no doubt Luke and you and you, you all back me up are completely oblivious
to what the state can do to people to get them to bend the knee.
It's not like good cop, why are you making that face?
tim pool
We say we're oblivious to it?
michael malice
I think a lot of Americans are oblivious to it.
tim pool
Oh, you're saying not us?
michael malice
Not us.
I'm not saying not the people in this room, but I'm saying a lot of Americans, like, When Castro died, right, and there was all these laudatory obituaries about him, and I'm like, you know, in a way it's kind of good that you guys have no idea what this is like.
That you think like, oh, he's basically like a liberal Democrat or like a Trump figure.
Like, you have no clue.
And I want a world, in a sense, where people are like, I kind of get that hypothetically, but I can't imagine this being reality.
So I can appreciate that.
So the things that the Soviets did to break these people, They haven't come over here yet, but one of the things they always do, like they'll arrest people on a Friday night, and they want them to squeal, they're in jail till Monday, and it's like, I only need to break one of you, and the offer's good for that one person, so who's it gonna be?
Monday morning, they're banging that door, and you can't blame them!
luke rudkowski
My favorite is seeing people wear Che Guevara shirts and understanding that history and context.
And you're absolutely right.
I had family members that were tortured by the government under a communist regime.
And when you wake up to that reality, when you speak to your family, when you hear the stories, when so much knowledge is passed on to you, which barely happens, The United States had it too good for too long, and I think now we're finally dealing with a lot of the larger ramifications of what happens when things are too good.
michael malice
You know, the CIA didn't know how to torture people to get most of that.
They had to use KGB manuals.
We didn't have any background.
Look this up.
Double check that.
Maybe I'm talking out of my butt, but just double check me, but I'm 99% sure that's the case.
tim pool
I suppose the issue I have right now is that There's, uh... Wait, I gotta say one more thing.
michael malice
Tim, don't you think it's not, maybe it's not literal torture, it's not literal torture, but if you're like a senior citizen close to it and you're in prison over a weekend, that's gonna really do a huge number on you psychologically.
Come on.
luke rudkowski
I mean, I was in jail for a few days for doing journalism and reporting and it takes a toll on you.
You definitely don't want to be in there.
michael malice
And then you, to know your wife is somewhere in this building separated from you and you're like, I hope she's okay and you know how she is and she doesn't even know how to hold a gun correctly.
That's, Tim, that's scary!
And trauma makes people make, you know, very conflict-averse decisions.
luke rudkowski
I guess... I think the larger lesson here... I'm just different.
tim pool
I'm hot-headed.
I think the larger... I don't know if I can explain it.
I've been in conflict situations where my life was at risk, and I've returned to those situations.
And perhaps it's because I don't have children, maybe?
Sure.
When I was in Brazil, I went to the... What is it called?
Cidade da Polícia.
The city of police.
The police city.
It's like their big compound.
And we had plainclothes cops basically walk up to us, Take us in, take our phones, shut them off.
They brought us into this back area, into this closed, no window, with a couch.
And the first thing I did as soon as they started taking us, before they took our phones, because I texted, this was when I was at Vice, like, we're being taken by Brazilian secret police or something, undercover.
And I don't know where they're bringing us, but just so you know, here we are.
Then they took our phones, shut them off.
They brought us in this back room and I started laughing.
I was like, so this is where we get beaten up and tortured?
And they held us there, started interrogating us, and then after about like a half an hour, someone ran in, you know, panicked in Portuguese, and they brought us back out and apologized.
So, you know, experiencing that, and then, not the end of the world, but certainly being brought through this complex and then being brought into this back room, not knowing what to expect or where they were bringing us.
And also, I've also ridden vehicles with I don't know how to describe individuals like violent extremists and revolutionaries armed with guns.
michael malice
I was in Charlottesville.
I mean, I know what you're talking about.
This stuff gets scary really quick.
tim pool
But I returned to those places.
Not the same specific ones that have actually spoken out against, but like experiencing Venezuela where I was accused of being a spy and forced to flee the country and then having the Venezuelan someone hack my friend's Facebook to send me fake messages to get me to make phone calls.
Then to just go back into Thailand.
You know, I understand.
I'm not going to return to Venezuela.
I can't go to Thailand.
But I would go initially, constantly facing that danger.
I'm well aware of what it means to stand up and fight.
And I'm well aware that you must plant the trees whose shade you know you'll never sit beneath if you want a society to grow great.
That means, for me personally, strategy is involved, right?
So when it comes to censorship on YouTube, one of the biggest criticisms we get is, Tim, why won't you just say it?
Well, I'm not gonna get the whole show banned, and our opportunity to speak the truth by saying one thing, but that's why we're building a website.
We gotta be strategic about it.
So I will contend, I don't know everything about the McCloskey situation, and perhaps a strategic retreat made sense.
michael malice
I'll give one a scenario where it would make perfect sense to everybody, which is, what if they have a kid who's like, mom, I really don't need you to be the face of the gun rights movement, can we just make this go away, and I want to have a normal family, and I don't want to be famous.
That is a perfectly good reason to be like, yeah, you know what, I'm not going to fight this.
tim pool
I disagree.
luke rudkowski
But the father's running to be a senator.
michael malice
Sure, that's, who knows, but I'm saying that would be one scenario, maybe it's not literally them, where I could be like, you know what, I'm not going to do this.
unidentified
What if the wife is like, I don't have the fortitude for this?
tim pool
And she could have individually taken a deal.
I just grew up constantly frustrated at the lack of unity.
Solidarity, how's that for a word?
When I would see my friends constantly complain about how they work for a restaurant and it's unfair, they're not getting paid enough.
And I'd say, so if you all agree, why don't you all just stop working?
And they're like, oh no, I have to.
And I'm like, there's five of you.
You could literally just walk out the front door and stand there and say, we're not going to walk back in the building unless we get another dollar an hour.
And they'd say, yes, please get back to work.
Well, I can't do that.
I'm like, well, then you're not going to get your dollar an hour.
What do you mean?
If people just stood up for themselves, if everyone finally just agreed, we'd be done with it.
If people had principle, value, strength, courage, and were willing to make the sacrifices to defend freedom, individual liberties, we would have never have hit it at risk in the first place.
ian crossland
It's coordination, too.
You need all these values along with some sort of sociological coordination.
Because if you do it one by one, it's just whack-a-mole.
michael malice
It's true.
tim pool
Yeah, it's true.
michael malice
And that's the thing.
If everyone in Chicago demanded a jury trial, what I bet would happen, and I think if you thought about this through, you would think this would happen too, they would take a very few cases up front, make real examples out of them, charge them with everything that they could, and then ask everyone else, you sure you want the jury trial?
And if they said, yep, I think a lot of those people would break, and I wouldn't blame them for one bit.
tim pool
The point is, for everyone to stand up and say, I demand a jury trial, would be them standing strong.
Assuming the people don't break, they win.
michael malice
But I don't see any scenario where an entire population acts in concert as pressure increases.
It's just a cost.
tim pool
I agree, I agree.
The problem is, they don't work together.
Sure.
The system cannot maintain that many jury trials.
Barely a fraction of them.
michael malice
But that's why we have public education, so that these kids are taught from kindergarten, before they can really walk and read, that the authorities are genuinely good people, who maybe they get it wrong sometimes, maybe they're not always smart, they're a little ignorant sometimes, but they do want what's best for everyone.
That you have to punish some people to save everybody else.
They're the good guys.
So it's very hard to realize As an adult, when this has been your entire context, that you are a means to an end for these people in law enforcement, that they have certain numbers and quotas they want to meet, that they get off on getting those convictions, or else this wouldn't be their job, because how could you sleep at night if you're putting away people you even suspect are innocent?
So yeah, it's much more malevolent.
And what they were doing to you and your brother, you and your lawyer, who you had, was another version of good cop, bad cop.
Because then you have the lady screaming and your lawyer could be like, Hey, I'm a good guy.
I'm just going to get you community service.
How can you lose?
Look at this crazy lunatic.
You don't want to deal with bad cop.
I'm good cop.
I'm your buddy.
And most people be like, Hey, I want to listen to good cop.
I'm going to take this deal.
tim pool
You know, I think I was just, I refuse.
michael malice
I think that's extremely commendable.
You know, I but some regards, but like I've been to North Korea, you know what I mean?
I know some that this is obviously not North Korean situation.
It's very I'm very reticent to encourage people to take risks without knowing their situation.
That said, I 1000% and defiance of mathematics agree with you that if everyone
unanimously or a large portion of population stood up and said, we're going no further.
that's going to be really, really hard for them to do anything about.
tim pool
And it's only, I think, actually a few percentage points of a population.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
Look at the Revolutionary War.
Exactly.
It was supported by less than the majority, but I think the largest faction of people in the Revolution was Leave Me Alone.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
yes with most elections right absolutely so if uh... right now
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
there was just general mass non-compliance or general strike among
conservatives the general strikes the wrong words has non-compliance by
better keep working support yourself grow your own food on your own food
shopman shop locally organically and just stop using the major corporations
they'd be in panic in two seconds how you coordinate that's it's i think a lot about how you
ian crossland
could make a an internet video be like
everyone i'm just saying hypothetically you could courtney people like withdraw
their bank account on the same day at the same time basically collapse the house of cards
michael malice
But this is what's kind of happening with like your show and like my book and our sponsors is that people have an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is and to create this parallel economy and parallel culture and they're doing it peacefully.
And they're doing it through freedom and it's something where, this is with the beauty of free enterprise, literally everybody wins.
The sponsor sells their product and they're also supporting people they like.
That person gets to do his book or his show.
As an audience member, I'm getting a product I wanted anyway and part of this money is going to make sure something I enjoy stays in perpetuity.
It's all wins all around.
tim pool
I'm short-term pessimistic, long-term optimistic.
michael malice
Yes, that's my point too.
tim pool
And the reason I think so is looking at the website we're launching at TimCast.com and the things that we're building, I'm 100% confident we're going to succeed.
Yes!
100%.
And that means if there is a new expansion in media, which I firmly believe will be one of the biggest media companies in 10-20 years, and news and all that stuff, then what does that future
look like?
It looks like a large amount, hundreds of millions of people around the world,
will be getting real news and will have the content we produce will be rooted in
individual liberties and freedom and personal responsibility.
michael malice
But this is what I talk about all the time.
People are like, how are you optimistic?
Are you just blowing smoke up my butt?
I go, look at Don Lemon.
Look at the White House press corps.
Look at the staff at Harvard Law.
You're telling me these people are smarter, more educated, and more coordinated, and have more power than Stalin?
Then Hitler?
But you have to laugh, but we beat them.
This is who you're up against now and you think you're going to lose?
Are you crazy?
ian crossland
It's the banks.
I think that capitalism is incredibly symbiotic.
But when you install a banking system in the middle that's profiting and causing interest, basically induced slave labor on us, that's the problem.
If we could remove the banks and each of us hold our own crypto, you know, with your own crypto, you're basically your own bank.
There's no more banks.
michael malice
I'm going to follow Luke's advice.
What Luke would say is we need to fund the Fed.
We need to increase the Fed's powers over currency to make sure we're all fair.
Right, Luke?
luke rudkowski
Protests give all of your money and make it meaningless and then we have monopoly money everywhere.
No, I'm just kidding.
tim pool
That's basically the point.
luke rudkowski
I mean, we basically already have monopoly money with how much they're printing it.
But I think also another aspect here that we have to entertain is that the state is becoming more
unidentified
Yes!
luke rudkowski
and more desperate. We're seeing more and more draconian measures being implemented. We're
seeing a lot of FBI infiltration, organizing, setting up events that they later take credit for
bringing down. We have this latest revelation about the Capitol riots where a lot of the people
are not being charged because they were either cooperating or helped organized,
planned and carried out the events that they're no longer being held responsible for.
This as the Biden administration literally announces their new war on terror, which is
a domestic war on people who don't like the government, militias and their buzzword of the
day, white supremacy, which could mean anything because that word has been bastardized so many
michael malice
Did you see the AP's refusing to report on some crimes?
unidentified
No.
michael malice
So the AP, a news organization, as a news organization, my job is to provide information to the populace, ostensibly.
It's what they always say.
Free press, free democracy, blah.
The Associated Press, which is an extremely big, very respected news organization, they had an article this week where they said, we are no longer going to report on the names or show mugshots if someone is arrested for a crime that's not that big a deal because we don't want this to like haunt them throughout the rest of their life, that they're googled, their life's worth.
Okay, so wait, wait, wait.
You do a crappy little crime, shoplifting or whatever, the AP will cover the story but they won't mention your name or mugshot, but I tweeted some rap lyrics in high school and now I got this job as an athlete, well let's drive you to suicide.
So it's very clear what they regard as a real threat and a real crime and what they don't.
tim pool
Well, there's good news.
There is a political party that's going to find us a way out.
michael malice
I love you so much!
unidentified
I love doing this show!
tim pool
I love this show!
ian crossland
Let's make history.
tim pool
Michael, what's going on with the Libertarian Party in New Hampshire?
michael malice
Okay, so this is I am going to give a garbled version of this because this is like playing telephone But I'm very very glad I get to do this because then everyone could be like okay He's talking out of his butt.
Let me double-check and when they look it up.
They'll be like no this is right so Dave Smith, who's this aspiring comedian you guys have had on the show.
tim pool
He's great.
ian crossland
He's amazing.
michael malice
He is a big member of the Libertarian Party, and his followers are something called the Mises Caucus, which is named after this very failed think tank, the Mises Institute.
So they're the more radical of the Libertarians, right?
So he's brought a lot of energy to the Libertarian Party, which has historically and correctly been regarded as a joke.
And state by state they've had these conventions and they've been electing their slates for delegates, whatever the position is, and the Mecocks people have been running the table because he's just bringing all the energy and it's all these kind of like lowest status people who have nothing to bring to the table other than this is their chance to be members of the party.
They won in New Hampshire.
New Hampshire, of all the states, that's the home of the Free State Project.
That's where all the hardcore libertarians move to.
People can look up the Free State Project.
It's a great idea.
I highly encourage people to look it up.
What happened was, what was the woman's name?
She's Gigi.
I sent you the woman who's the head of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire.
Joletta Jarvis.
She was their candidate for governor.
I sent you the letter, please you can read it, where she basically said everyone who was in the Libertarian Party previously is now not part of the Libertarian Party.
I am the Libertarian Party because I got unanimously voted to be the chair.
I'm going to pass a new series of bylaws unilaterally.
No one vote on them.
I am going to extend my term to four years.
No one vote on this.
And now this is the new LP and you guys are not the LP, right?
So they're like, well, we have all the bank accounts and all the everything else.
She has their Twitter, their Twitter.
I just went full Brooklyn.
Yeah, it was hardcore.
Two Utes!
What is a Ute?
What just happened?
Did I just get possessed by Snooki?
Okay, she has their Twitter and their social media and this was a huge drama.
It's like you just stole the entire thing and you're worried about this kind of like alt-right thing.
You're acting like a fuhrer.
The Libertarian National Committee had a meeting on YouTube.
You could go look it up a couple days ago.
They voted, and they basically endorsed what she did.
They're like, look, if you want to dissolve one state party, we have that in our constitution or bylaws, which is, you have a meeting, you call a motion, you're like, alright, three quarters of a vote, I think it is, this Libertarian Party of New Hampshire dissolves the nuclear option, we're going to reform it.
She's like, we didn't do that.
If you want to do that, let's have the vote.
They're like, nope.
Now the guy who's the head of the Libertarian Party, John Bishop Henchman, I think is his name, he sent out a letter, which Lydia has, and he says, anyone, by the way, I should let you know as a lawyer, this is great libertarianism, anyone who casts aspersions on my integrity, or, can you please read it?
Blah blah blah blah is setting themselves up for legal action, just so you're warned.
And people are like, whoa wait, you're the head of the Libertarian Party, very arguably a public figure, and you're threatening lawsuits against fellow Libertarians?
But apparently I got a message from Dave that they completely lost, everything's getting handed over right now.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of pushback against the Libertarian Party on Twitter, and the Free State Project tweeted a couple days ago, quote, the Free State Project was explicitly founded as a result of the continued failures of the Libertarian Party.
We're thrilled to see New Hampshire be growing increasingly Libertarian, and very few Free Staters care what party does it.
So a lot of people are pushing back, and I'm seeing people burning t-shirts, I'm seeing somebody sell their t-shirts.
michael malice
I am here to declare, let me finish this by points, Following suit with what's her name again?
Jaleva Jarvis.
I am hereby declaring that I'm actually the chairman of the Libertarian Party.
That all these people who are claiming to be otherwise are fraudulent.
I'm kind of the Libertarian Party chairman in exile.
And I expect all the party assets to be returned to me according to the new bylaws, which I'm writing, which will be forthcoming.
tim pool
Can I second that?
michael malice
Yes!
tim pool
Absolutely.
I also will endorse that.
I got a couple questions.
The Free State Project, is that like where they're trying to get all the people to come there and like become residents and then vote for freedom or something?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
And slowly go into positions in local government.
And they have elected a large number of local representatives that passed a lot of local laws, including ones where you could now choose your tax dollars to go to nonprofits that teach people how to homeschool their children.
So your taxes could effectively go towards efforts that free children and educate them through a community way instead of a public schooling way.
And New Hampshire slowly and surely is implementing a lot of different actions, a lot of different proposals, and they're getting them through, which is absolutely exciting.
tim pool
How are the taxes in New Hampshire?
michael malice
It's the lowest.
luke rudkowski
It's one of the lowest tax places, but property taxes are a little bit high, but it's the place that has some of the highest gun ownership.
michael malice
I think it's the highest.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and the least amount of murders, the least amount of crime, the place with the highest IQ, the most amount of homeschooled children, the place that has the most economic opportunities, and the most amount of Bitcoiners, and more Bitcoin transactions than any other state in the Union.
tim pool
What's their URL?
michael malice
Because they have a list of all the things that are awesome.
luke rudkowski
I mean, this is why I moved to New Hampshire, and I'm going to be going back there in just a few days to be a part of Porkfest.
michael malice
Oh, wow, do you live next to Polish people?
luke rudkowski
I want to do well now. It's like I was actually a lot of Polish people in New Hampshire. Let's go back
tim pool
Let's go to this lady gel out of Jarvis she's trying to take over the party. No, no, she has taken over
michael malice
Okay, declared herself to be the party. She's declared it.
tim pool
She is the fuhrer of the Libertarian Party Is it because Dave Smith they don't like or yeah
michael malice
Because they're saying Dave Smith is bringing all these bigots and racists and all these other
Cathedral terms and that that's not what we're about. So oh my god, I finished it. I forgot the best part she
She said, and this is if you go to LPNH, their Twitter, the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire,
if you want to join the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire, you have to sign or say,
I don't remember what their mechanism is, a loyalty oath that she wrote.
And she put it, go to LPNH, their Twitter.
tim pool
Is it just at LPNH?
michael malice
Yeah, I believe so.
It's a big graphic.
tim pool
So Michael, is this just because they've gotten woke?
michael malice
post it within last week maybe a 12th.
unidentified
So Michael is this just because they've gotten woke?
Is that a symptom?
michael malice
They've been woke and now they're being this is what it is.
The Libertarian Party is a mechanism for lowest status people to have some modicum of respect
and do something with their lives.
And now that they're being outnumbered and the only thing that's of value to them is being taken away, of course they're going to use every trick at their disposal to maintain their hold on this minuscule amount of power.
Now, this is my interpretation.
They, of course, have a different perspective that we're keeping libertarian parties safe from Nazis, like Dave Smith, even though he's a family of Holocaust survivors.
But that is kind of the two sides of this issue.
And it's hilarious Because I was watching that YouTube of the Executive Channel meeting, and I go, this must have been what the Communist Party meetings were like in the 30s, except everyone's on the spectrum.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
So Dave Smith tweeted, the LPNH fiasco has been resolved.
The attempted coup has failed.
This was not an LPMC versus LP thing.
This was a few corrupt people versus all of the decent, honorable people in the Libertarian Party.
Real Spike Cohen, Justin Amash.
michael malice
Amash, yeah.
tim pool
Carrie... what is it?
michael malice
Carrie Ann Harlow?
Harlow?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And others displayed true integrity.
So I wonder if they took down the loyalty oath thing because I couldn't find it.
michael malice
Oh, wow.
They might.
I'll look forward to it.
The other thing is they were threatening legal action.
They're like, okay, this has nothing to do with your politics.
Like, no one vote on this.
You can't just one lady say these are the new bylaws.
That makes no sense.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So if I vote for Dave Smith, will I get a Press Secretary Michael Malice along with it?
michael malice
Yeah, so here's what my deal was, okay?
If you go to maliceorpresssecretary.com, I said to myself, the only way I would sign on to... I would be Press Secretary during the campaign, not even in the presidency.
I would say I would sign on as Communications Director If I had one Bitcoin a month in the bank as security, because if they came for me and they try to completely cancel me and destroy me and all these smear pieces, I have to know I'm not going to be homeless.
tim pool
That would be the greatest thing we have seen in politics in my lifetime.
michael malice
And I promised people, and I will say this right now and I'll affirm to it under oath, I would unleash such a season of poison on social media that Donald Trump would look like Mother Teresa.
I'm not kidding.
The amount of hatred and contempt I have for political class is so off the charts that I literally can't even talk about it because the show I would be on would be cancelled.
unidentified
That's not saying much now.
tim pool
Everyone gets cancelled now.
ian crossland
I want to be part of the cabinet, man.
Let's roll.
tim pool
Let's build free software.
michael malice
I feel like you'd be the Hunter Biden of this administration.
unidentified
I kind of feel Ian's going to be in a bed with a pipe.
ian crossland
Psychedelics all the way.
I'm not into the crazy stuff.
No crack.
No cocaine.
michael malice
Have you tried crack?
Negative.
ian crossland
Not into stimulants and downers and uppers.
I just like psychedelics.
tim pool
Drugs are bad, okay?
ian crossland
Hey!
Sugar!
tim pool
But what I want to see is your quick wit when the journalists come asking questions.
michael malice
Do you know what I would do?
I'll tell you exactly what I would do.
tim pool
Tell me what you'd do.
michael malice
The thing that is a real issue with Washington Is that everyone it's very incestuous now in a way it's it sounds worse than it is because if you're all like in like a upper middle upper class and you're all swimming the same circles of course the person who works for this organization works is going to marry someone who works for this university.
I mean these are circles traveling.
But to Americans, it looks much more nefarious.
And I think, in a sense, it is more nefarious than people realize because if your wife works for this charity, you're kind of going to have a different relationship to it.
You can't help it.
This is your wife.
This is her life's work, right?
But if you have that press secretary constantly pointing out these relationships, this is really going to, A, upset them, which is a good in and of itself, but it'll also point out to Americans just how the system is us versus them.
George Carlin, It's a big club, and you ain't in it.
tim pool
So I think- It's the same big club they used to beat you over the head with.
michael malice
Yeah.
So this is the kind of thing where I think people would be very receptive, because it's one thing to be aggressive, like, oh, you're an idiot, you're fake news.
It's not to be like, look, you guys are all in this big kind of high school thing, and that leaves the average guy out in the streets, and President Smith is doing something about it.
Because he's much more of a schlub than he is one of you.
It would be- Have you seen how he dresses?
It's a disaster.
I don't say it, others do.
tim pool
I think the Libertarian Party for the longest time was, I don't want to say controlled opposition,
but you look at Joe Jorgensen coming out and telling people what they must do was one of
the funniest things ever.
luke rudkowski
She went to Dershowitz, a part of the Supreme Court.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's that's what she said.
It is not enough to be not racist.
We must be actively anti-racist.
And I was like, sure is something seeing the Libertarian Party telling me what I must do.
michael malice
The Libertarian Party in New Hampshire unfollowed me.
ian crossland
As we're speaking.
michael malice
It said follows you when I hit refresh, you went away.
Oh, but they took it back.
One minute ago, literally one minute ago, they pinned tweet.
We're back!
Three exclamation points.
The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire is now in control of our assets and data.
We would like to sincerely thank those on the LNC who came to our defense and those who supported us.
Help us further our mission at, and the link is anarchisthandbook.com.
So if you want to help the Libertarian Party, make sure you buy the anarchist handbook.
ian crossland
This is your book.
tim pool
Yeah, let's talk about your book.
ian crossland
So you just this is like top of the charts.
Number one best selling not was it fiction?
michael malice
They erased all the tweets.
No, no, you're right.
So this, this is what happened.
And I have no rational explanation.
Okay.
I did, many of you guys know, I was just on Jordan Peterson's show not too long ago.
We taped it a few months ago, it just dropped.
I didn't even mention this book in the show at all.
So I just, how Amazon works, and can I get like five minutes, because this is something I think it's me edifying, because this is an example of how the regular person can take on the publishing houses and win, okay?
If you want, and it's unfortunate it's going to be through Amazon, but right now they basically have a monopoly.
Soon there's going to be four or five venues.
How it works is, you create your document, make sure you get a professional book designer, so on and so forth, you upload it to their CreateSpace site, they have to clear it, and then once they clear it, it's on Amazon to buy, just like any other book.
The problem is, when I sent them this, which is a collection, people always ask me, And I would get bored with it.
I'm like, I don't have time to answer your question.
I'm like, you know what?
There is no book that people can go to to get the complete idea of all the colors of the black flag.
So I'm like, I'm going to put together this book of historical essays.
So they'd email me back.
They'd be like, we have a problem with this essay.
When did this person die?
I'm like, Michael Bakunin died in like the 1800s.
This is public domain.
We have a question about this one.
And in between, it's three or four days.
So you're sitting there, you don't know how many days it's going to happen.
Then they're like, it's live.
So if there's no, you can't have a release date.
My next book, I'm going to get it cleared ahead of time so that I can hit published on whatever, December 1st.
It drops.
And no, I didn't mention it on any of the shows I did.
I didn't have a big push because I didn't know when it was coming out.
For a full day, It was the number three book on all of Amazon.
It was the top non-fiction book on all of Amazon.
Number one was Dr. Seuss, number two was some ladies novel, number three was me.
It wasn't like a spike because I did some show or someone mentioned it.
The fact that it still... So it was beating Obama.
It was beating Hillary.
It was beating President Trump.
It was beating Oprah.
Everybody.
And the only way this happened was through fans and word of mouth.
I still don't understand how it happened because it's asymptotic.
It is much, much harder to go from 20 to 10 than from 30 to 20.
You're getting steeper and steeper.
We did it.
I'm delighted by the response.
And this is a good example of how one person with a motivated fan base spreading the ideas of liberty As opposed to Libertarian Party.
I was on Breitbart earlier this week.
Alex Marlow, who's great.
He's got a book out.
We're doing better.
Sorry, Alex.
He was reading a whole section of Emma Goldman on Breitbart.
The fact that I could have people talking about radical ideas, and people are hungry for radical ideas, shows that there is a market for it.
People love to talk about these concepts, but they're not usually allowed to in corporate media.
The LP wants none of it.
And that's why they're a joke.
And that's why when I take over, it's going to be really funny.
tim pool
I think we were some of those fans.
michael malice
You were!
You guys pushed it.
It means a lot.
luke rudkowski
Are you still chairman though?
michael malice
I think I'd be chairman in the Chinese sense.
tim pool
So one of the things we had said, right, we keep getting super chats where people are like, they'll say something innocuous and then turn it into a pitch for Michael Knowles' book.
michael malice
Sure, okay.
tim pool
So it'll be like, you know, I can't believe what they're doing with cancel culture on social media.
It's leaving me speechless, much like Michael Noza's book, Speechless.
That's clever.
And whenever, you know, so we read them and it is clever.
But I always say, so I've, you know, chatted with Michael a little bit and he's just like, oh man, are they, they're still pushing that meme.
And I was like, it's fantastic, I love it.
michael malice
Yeah, it's organic.
tim pool
I want everyone to buy your book so it's at the top of the charts.
I want everyone to buy Michael Malice's book so it's at the top of the charts.
I want everyone to buy Andy Ngo's book, unmasked, top of the charts.
All of them.
Then when regular people go to Amazon to find a book, what are they going to get?
The most influential subjects are going to be written by smart people challenging the
establishment.
michael malice
And here, I'm going to let you guys in a little inside baseball.
I've not told anyone this is the first time revealing this.
I got a call from one of the major, major publishers.
There's only four or five of them.
And this is an editor I knew.
And he goes, your book got flagged.
Because whenever you have these independent books that do gangbusters, it's our job to be like, how did this happen?
And he's getting on a call with me, and I like the guy, but I'm going to tell him, you guys are screwed.
There's nothing you can do to fix your model.
You're going to go the way of Warner Brothers Atlantic Records, which back in the day, there were four or five record labels.
All the records were through them.
Now you guys still have a large proportion, just like ABC, CBS, and NBC have of sitcoms.
But in terms of channels, there's not only dozens.
On YouTube, it's literally infinite.
You are never going to be in position to be Random House or Saint Martins or Simon & Schuster the way you were because I right now have demonstrated to you and I'm not magic that I could go there and beat you at your own game and here's the other thing let's suppose that they can run the table on me if I sold this book to them on January 1st it would come out January 2023
What happened was in February, a fan of mine, Marla, said, look, there hasn't been a book like this.
The last one that was like this in the 60s, why don't you do that audiobook?
And I said, why don't you just do it from scratch?
And it was out in May.
So that turnaround is something they are not in a position to do.
tim pool
So what this book is, it's a collection of essays by a bunch of famous anarchists.
michael malice
And you're going to read one of them.
tim pool
I am going to read one of the classic essays shortly after we wrap up here in the audiobook.
But is there like a lot of original from you in this?
unidentified
No!
michael malice
So the whole point of this is people always ask me about anarchism as if I'm an authority on the subject, haha.
The slogan I have in the back is the black flag.
It comes in many colors.
This has been a long historical tradition that is swept under the rug.
There's very many variants.
There's the hardcore anarcho-communists, which in many ways are predecessors to Antifa.
There's the contemporary anarcho-capitalists, which the left-wings do not consider anarchists at all.
But this just shows alternatives to government and critiques of government from many different points of view.
tim pool
Let me ask you about the political compass, right?
Sure.
People like to say that Antifa is the left-libertarian quadrant, and that Antifa... I wouldn't say left-libertarian, but left, certainly, yeah.
Right, definitely not libertarian.
People, like you just mentioned, anarcho-communists are the precursor to Antifa.
I don't believe that those who would use force to impose their will over others would be classified as libertarian or anarchist.
michael malice
But they would certainly be anarchists, like the guy on the cover, Louis Ling, his essay, he was arrested by Illinois for making bombs.
And he's explicitly set up for force.
So their vision, this was their argument.
And since we're on YouTube, I'm going to be, I have to make clear this is historical stuff.
It's not something I'm endorsing people doing.
It's not something I personally believe in.
But their argument, because they came out of a communist tradition, which is not Marxist.
So I would strongly, all the people who are libertarians who read this, the one essay they love the most is by Michael Bakunin from 1867.
Bakunin was Marx's big rival.
For the international left and his essay 50 years for the Soviet Union said this is what Marxism is going to mean in practice.
This is why it's a nightmare a thousand times worse than the czar.
You guys are crazy.
You guys are evil.
This is not we're about he called it.
It's all in here.
So they were for force in this sense their argument was which again, I don't agree with that because the police and the government are tools of the wealthy.
So in that regard, perhaps I agree with you that they were the precursor to Antifa, which I view as an overtly authoritarian left movement because they attack regular people.
to use weaponry as self-defense to have this revolution to have you guys not keep bleeding
tim pool
us dry. So in that regard perhaps I agree with you that they were the precursor to Antifa which
I view as an overtly authoritarian left movement because they attack regular people. Correct.
michael malice
So they would not be in favor of that.
Any of the people in this book would not be in favor of that.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So I guess that's my distinction.
The modern version of the people who claim to be left libertarian are anything but.
michael malice
And let me also defend these commies from a lot of these anarcho-capitalists.
Emma Goldman, who I love, was deported by Woodrow Wilson via J. Edgar Hoover during the Great War and sent to Russia.
And she goes there because the argument is when push comes to shove, these people are going to be Stalinists.
She goes to Russia She's looking around.
She's like, this is not what we're about.
This is a disaster.
She goes to Lenin's office, yells at him.
She goes, we're anarchists.
We're for free speech.
We're for the maximum freedom of the individual.
What are you guys doing?
He goes, free speech.
He told her her face.
Free speech is a bourgeois contrivance.
At the very least, you can't have it during periods of revolution.
So go home, Emma.
Her mentor, Kropotkin, was under house arrest in the Soviet Union.
She left with her partner in crime, literally crime, Alexander Berkman.
They each wrote books denouncing this.
Emma's was called My Disillusionment in Russia.
When she went to Britain, Emma Goldman, the heroine of the left.
This is as left as it gets.
She gave a speech.
She starts with a standing ovation.
She's like, guys, what's going on in the Soviet Union is a nightmare.
This is exactly what we're opposed to.
This is horrible from beginning to end.
When she was done, you could hear a pin drop because they weren't hearing it because they were more than happy.
This is going to be a big theme of my next book, to have all these Russians over there.
Let's have it be an experiment.
Listen, if it doesn't work, who cares?
It's the Russians, it's not affecting us.
And if it works, then we get to import it.
So this was really cynical, sick stuff.
And when Ayn Rand, who escaped the Soviet Union, was on Donahue in 1979, I tweet this all the time.
Donahue says to her, how are you so harsh against these people?
How are you just condemnatory?
Can't you just say you disagree?
Why do you call them so evil?
She goes, because I look at them.
Because they don't hesitate to sacrifice whole nations.
And more recently in our time, Venezuela, which you mentioned, how many people were like, hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, Venezuela, what's going on there?
And then later they weren't like, what have I, I could, I would have, I would be perfectly fine with them being like, you know what?
Just a Goldman or Berkman.
They're like, I thought this was going to be great.
And look how it turned out.
I was wrong.
And we really need to have solidarity with the people of Venezuela, especially as leftists.
We should worry about poor people.
And there's none of that.
Pin drops.
tim pool
I went to Venezuela.
Stores were empty.
It was very, very difficult to buy things.
We went to a mall, if you can call it that, and it was just a bunch of empty stores and some were open.
We did go to some areas that, you know, had food.
They were wealthier areas.
Luke also went to Venezuela.
luke rudkowski
Someone was literally shot and killed as soon as I landed at the airport.
At the airport?
At the airport.
The airport is one of the most dangerous places you could be in Caracas, Venezuela.
michael malice
Why is that?
luke rudkowski
That's where all the major robberies and crimes happen.
And an Egyptian guy was literally just a couple minutes in front of me, leaving the airport.
Some guys tried to mug him.
He resisted.
They shot it.
I heard the shot as I was going through customs.
That's how crazy Venezuela is.
tim pool
Luke posted a bunch of videos of these markets that were just barren.
But there were leftists, American leftists, who went to Venezuela and went to the Potemkin markets and filmed all the glory of all their products saying, you how great it was the Chavista areas right the the
luke rudkowski
communist friendly areas that that were of course friendly with the regime this is
michael malice
what people don't realize sorry when you go to these countries the government
runs everything they also are perfectly happy this happened the 90s North
Korea and many other places they're like okay we've got enough food for
500 people We've got 2,000 people.
Who's going to get the food?
They're not going to say we're going to do it equally.
They're going to take care of their own first, and in a way you can't blame them.
Because if they don't take care of their own, they're going to lose their hold on power and therefore not continue the revolution.
So from their perspective, they don't have a choice.
It's horrifying.
And again, what we talked about earlier, Americans have no clue what this is like, but my next book's going to change.
ian crossland
Are there ways to dissolve monarchy that aren't violent?
michael malice
Well, yeah, they could abdicate.
luke rudkowski
Decentralize.
Every problem we see comes from centralization, comes from big governments, comes from people saying that they're going to fix everyone's problems, and that's impossible.
We have to realize and wake up as a people and understand that one person shouldn't be responsible for everyone else, and we should all be responsible for ourselves.
michael malice
personal responsibility yes yep or call your friend hire someone it doesn't you know like people like oh an anarchist society you'd be the first one shot i'm like why don't i have the ability to call in my big mma friends to be like hey can you uh be my housemate but hold on hold on if the idea was that Criminal punishment deters crimes.
tim pool
Why do we still have crimes?
Right.
We've got very harsh problems.
We got what was it like a quarter of the world's present population is here in the US?
michael malice
It's uncountable.
tim pool
There were several studies that the death penalty was not a deterrent for people committing extreme crimes.
I look at it this way when it comes to like gun rights specifically.
I sometimes cross busy streets.
Cars don't hit me.
You know why?
They have brakes.
Surprise, surprise.
The individuals driving those cars don't want to kill somebody.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
It's not because of the law.
It's because they don't It's when people get desperate is when they change.
michael malice
And also let's be completely sociopathic about it.
They don't want the headache from damaging their car.
So even if they don't value your life, there's still going to be a cost for
them in terms of like, why do I, I'd rather the break than having a day of
having to deal with this blood.
ian crossland
It's let's let's uh, it's when people get desperate is when they change.
No one really wants to hurt until they're starving and they need food.
Everything's in their way.
michael malice
There's a lot of evil people out there who get off on hurting like children.
luke rudkowski
A lot of sociopaths.
Most of them are in Washington DC per capita, the most largest amount.
tim pool
This is why my new political ideology is called Marsism.
And it's where we take Elon Musk's starship.
Whenever someone, we take all of Congress and all the politicians, they go in the ship and then it blasts off.
ian crossland
Then what?
tim pool
What do you mean?
michael malice
I've asked too much.
He just told you!
tim pool
That's it!
It's gone!
michael malice
I like this.
I just watched Elysium.
You know what happens next?
We all live happily ever after!
ian crossland
Applause!
tim pool
And then what we do is, whenever someone wins a position in office, we have smaller rockets and they blast off.
So you won!
Congratulations!
Right this way, sir.
Adios!
Let's go to Super Chat.
michael malice
To serve government.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
luke rudkowski
I was going to bring up Tehran, but we have chats.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
luke rudkowski
That's what's up.
Where they ban politicians in a Mexican city with 30,000 people.
They ban politicians, political slogans, political signs, and people deal with their problems
through a community, one-on-one basis, and it's one of the largest anarchist places in the world, Tehran, Mexico.
I did a full documentary on it on my YouTube channel, We Are Change, and it's worth a watch
because the ideas expressed there have been carried out with large populations in a peaceful, cohesive way
with people taking personal responsibility for themselves and standing up to the government.
to government, to the cartels, and to the police officers that were all corrupted
and doing horrible things to the community and now they're living in peace where literally
homicides down completely, murders stopped completely, kidnapping stopped completely,
all because people decided to take their life into their own personal hands.
michael malice
Can I give you some unsolicited advice? Yeah.
For you and everybody else, if you're doing something like this, get a URL.
That would be easy to remember.
So instead of going to WeAreChanged, you just go to, like, IranianDocumentary.com, they go straight to it.
So that's a cheap, easy way to promote stuff.
I'm a really big proponent of that.
tim pool
All of our sponsors, we do that.
michael malice
Yeah.
Number two is...
I don't think people, like the ANCOMs, they get something, a lot of stuff right, because human beings are not Lord of the Flies, despite what we're told in Hobbesian.
When you look at Survivor, the only reason these people are fighting is because they have to vote each other out.
When people tend to be in communities, for the most part, which is like 90%, which is a huge percentage, they really don't want headaches.
They don't want conflict.
They just want to get along.
And like, sometimes like, okay, my neighbor's noisy.
Am I really going to call the cops?
Even Judge Judy berated One of the plaintiffs or defendants, she goes, she's like, I'm 900 years old.
I've had lots of neighbors.
Some I like, some I don't like.
Some are annoying, some are not annoying, whatever.
I've never called the cops on any of them.
Because when you're dealing in a community, anyone who lives in a city, you have to give yourself some little sacrifices.
So I think people don't appreciate to what extent cooperation is the norm.
Like you see a kid, it's just kind of, it's just taken for granted.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
ian crossland
The problem is you say 90%.
michael malice
Yes, correct.
ian crossland
10% doesn't scale properly because if you have 100,000 people, that's 10,000 crazies.
And you need law enforcement, in my opinion.
michael malice
Well, you need security.
tim pool
And we need Super Chats.
ian crossland
You are right about it.
tim pool
So if you haven't already, smash the like button, go to TimCats.com, become a member.
I wouldn't say ratings.
More viewers.
Ratings is a Nielsen thing.
Why give Nielsen the credit?
people with your support and subscribe to this channel if you haven't already
share the show with your friends so that I just think is it wrong for me to say
that we deserve more ratings than CNN I wouldn't say ratings more viewers more
michael malice
viewers ratings is a Nielsen thing why do we Nielsen the credit yeah well you
know what I mean I don't know I think you I don't say deserve earned do you
tim pool
what I mean is CNN gets propped up by YouTube They get put on the front page.
Well, they're not in airports anymore.
They just are given this.
I think we should have more people watching us than watching them.
And other channels as well.
michael malice
I think the vibe here is a lot more entertaining.
tim pool
So, if you agree with Michael, it's entertaining.
Share the show with your friends.
Alright, let's read some of these superchats.
michael malice
No one watching this show has friends.
Who are you fooling?
tim pool
That's a good point.
Who are you fooling?
Alright, Scott Beach says, Mr. Malice, I bought all your books, belong to your locals community, and my only real interaction with you is on Twitter and is your polls, but you blocked me on Twitter.
Why?
michael malice
I don't know who you are, but I have no idea!
tim pool
You don't know Scott Beach?
michael malice
I don't, what's his username?
tim pool
I'm assuming it's Scott Beach, I don't know.
michael malice
I don't know why I blocked you, Scott.
Scott, if you're in my locals, I will unblock you.
unidentified
There you go.
michael malice
If you go to malice.locals.com and support me, I'll unblock you.
tim pool
Sometimes it happens accidentally too, people don't realize it.
unidentified
No, it doesn't.
tim pool
What, you've never accidentally hit the block button?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You have to confirm it, don't you?
michael malice
I don't think you have to, but it's like, you have to go with their profile, then you have to hit block, then you have to, yes, yeah, you're correct, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
michael malice
You'd have to confirm that.
tim pool
So you purposefully shot out one of your biggest fans.
I get it, Michael.
michael malice
I would say he's one of my biggest fans, right?
I know his name.
tim pool
All right.
michael malice
And I'll tell you why I blocked you two.
tim pool
Wait, there's another comment that's identical.
ian crossland
Here they come.
unidentified
I love that they're super chatting us this.
tim pool
This is amazing.
The Michael Angelou, literally the same thing he said.
michael malice
What's his name?
tim pool
The Michael Angelou.
michael malice
Is he on Locals, too?
tim pool
And he said the exact same thing.
I bought all your books, belong to your Locals community, blah blah blah, and you blocked me on Twitter.
michael malice
Is it the same guy?
Is it verbatim the same?
Is it copy-paste?
tim pool
It's copy and paste, but it's a different person.
ian crossland
I think that's multiple accounts.
I see that sometimes in the chat.
Verbatim?
tim pool
There's two superchats that are verbatim the same.
michael malice
Okay, I'll look into it on my Locals.
Just reply to the Elizabeth Spires thread.
tim pool
Novum says 354 more federal holidays and we'll meet the end goal.
Malice, you've changed my life for the better.
I have never had so much personal responsibility as I have now.
michael malice
Here's the other thing that's amazing, like a federal holiday is just a lockdown.
It's just making it illegal for you to go to work if you have certain jobs.
Yeah.
No.
Comfortably Smug, who has a Twitter account I absolutely love, he's like, how could someone be against this holiday celebrating black achievement?
Juneteenth, they just made a federal holiday.
Because all a federal holiday is, is it's illegal for you to go to work.
tim pool
Only in the government, right?
michael malice
But the banks!
tim pool
Well, the banks choose to do it.
michael malice
I don't know, they don't.
If you're a bank, I think you have to be closed by federal holiday, if I'm not mistaken.
Please double-check this.
ian crossland
I got an issue with Juneteenth, the name.
It should be called like, what do they call it, Abolition Day or like...
What do they call it when they freed the slaves on that day, right?
tim pool
Well, so, arguably the slaves were freed with the Emancipation Proclamation.
ian crossland
Emancipation Day.
tim pool
That's not June 19th.
There was still active civil war.
It wasn't until the North actually went into Texas and enforced the law long after the war was over, when people were still illegally holding slaves, the last slave was freed was this day celebrated.
Okay.
I like it.
I saw, I think it was, was it Charlie Kirk?
Who tweeted that it was wrong because it was a race-based holiday or whatever.
My attitude is like, we have Independence Day where we had this ideological revolution where we severed ourselves from the monarchy.
michael malice
What about Labor Day?
It's just a class holiday.
Martin Luther King Day.
Martin Luther King Day was originally called Black People's Day.
unidentified
Oh wow.
michael malice
Did you not know this yet?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So the Independence Day for us was when we had this ideological revolution and physical revolution of sorts.
And we severed ourselves from monarchy.
We realized that divine providence wasn't what makes law.
And then 80 or so years later, we had another ideological revolution that you cannot hold people as property.
And much blood was shed for this.
I love it.
It's an Independence Day.
michael malice
It's a major step forward for freedom in America.
So in terms of like, it's better than a tree.
If you ask me which of these is a more important holiday, it's going to be a no-brainer.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Metal Retro Duchess says, Luke, you should make a t-shirt that says, fortified elections have consequences.
luke rudkowski
That seems like a very safe term.
tim pool
That's a pretty good one, actually.
It's pretty good.
Fortified.
I like that.
We have someone joining soon, so we're going to expand our merch and we're going to do merch like new different shirts and memes and stuff.
unidentified
I'm so excited.
tim pool
Yeah, we got a lot of people joining.
We're going to be really big, really, really fast.
ian crossland
We just got one of the best 3D printers on the market.
tim pool
We're going to be making stuff.
We're going to be doing, for the guests that are interested, portraits that we'll auction off to fans.
michael malice
Are they going to be caricatures?
tim pool
I guess they could be.
michael malice
Are they?
I don't want a caricature.
tim pool
No, they're meant to be regular portraits of people on the show, hand-drawn.
Like someone will have someone draw the guest.
michael malice
With painting or like a pencil?
tim pool
Like a digital painting.
michael malice
Oh, that sounds awesome.
tim pool
And then we print it out, have it signed, and then we auction it off like one of a kind.
michael malice
Oh, I like this.
tim pool
We want to do a bunch of things to expand culture, to create symbols.
So I'll try to be quick with this.
I went to a lecture on music business 15 years ago, and this guy was explaining the business of music is not about the song.
It's about the memories that you create.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
And he said, here's one thing that we did.
We had a big set drop, which is a gigantic flag that was checkered.
And after the show, we cut every checkered piece out and sold those to the fans.
That way they would always retain a piece that would remind them every time they looked at it.
What you need to understand about merchandise is not that someone is going to be wearing a shirt, not that they're advertising your band, but that every time they open their closet, they remember that moment they shared with you.
We need that.
We need people to remember the conversations, remember how they felt about them, and own something.
When they see that portrait of Michael Malice, autographed, and maybe we'll do like prints, but we'll do one autographed one.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
People will have this really cool picture, and then their friends will say, what's this?
Oh, it's this guy, Michael Malice, got a great book, you gotta read it.
It generates the conversation.
It keeps it insight in mind.
michael malice
This is why I don't have a blanket, but I covered myself with AIDS quilt, to remember all the people who died so young tragically in the 80s.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, let's read some more.
Eric Miller says, I trolled the King of Trolls live using his own words against him as he was dressed as Superman who gets weak with rocks from his own planet on April Fool's Day.
It was worth Gitmo, good sir.
My respects.
michael malice
I love it when people create their own little backstories.
Hashtag that happened.
And everyone clapped.
unidentified
That's right.
All right.
tim pool
Superman, if he wasn't scared of green rocks, says, Tim, she hasn't gotten the monkey yet.
She was halfway there and another monkey had diarrhea.
So now she has to wait a week.
Michael, there is still time.
michael malice
Cassandra, I love you.
I'm in love with you.
You know this.
Listen, I know I can sit down and talk about animals for literally days.
Let's come up with a better exotic like sugar glider.
Yes, those are possums that you could that like to be in your pocket.
They're adorable.
They're monkey shaped in size.
They're in and they smell nice because they only eat fruit.
There's the males have a bald spot they rub it on things that make it smell like banana they're amazing pets it's so much better and their lifespan is shorter there's and they have little hands where their fingers are stuck together because they try to climb things there's so much and you could throw them like a ball because they glide so you throw it to your daughter you throw it back and they float yes they glide they glide look it up sugar gliders Not only is it going to be a tenth the price, it's going to be pleasure instead of headache as the monkey bites your beautiful child.
tim pool
The marmoset would do that?
michael malice
Yes, they're nasty!
unidentified
Hmm.
ian crossland
I'm so ready for this.
unidentified
I want a sugar glider now.
michael malice
They're great.
They're domesticated.
luke rudkowski
Why not a dog?
tim pool
We'll have to call Cassandra afterwards.
michael malice
That's too basic.
Yeah, I can understand she wants something weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Stalin Cepedas says, Hi, Tim.
I love your show.
You need to defeat CNN.
Telemundo and Univision are worse than CNN.
Greetings from Dominican Republic.
Ian, you are awesome.
michael malice
Well, they're worse because when they talk about COVID at the very beginning, they have the upside down exclamation point.
So it really gets scary.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, yeah, Spanish.
tim pool
Alright, Jayrich says, holy crap, how did you guys manage to get the Cash Cab Guy on?
Best episode ever!
Knock knock, I'm a gorilla, just kidding, though Michael is awesome, can't wait for his show.
Yeah, you were on Cash Cab.
michael malice
I was!
tim pool
Did you win?
luke rudkowski
What do you think?
michael malice
All I do is win, baby!
luke rudkowski
I sent you the video, it was pretty entertaining, yeah.
tim pool
What's the driver's name?
michael malice
Ben Bailey.
tim pool
Yeah, was he shocked how smart you were?
michael malice
Oh, you want the Cash Cab story?
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
When someone is trapped in a situation with me, I'm going to do whatever I can to get them to break.
So I was messing with him the entire time.
I was just talking about, like, how'd you get on Cash Cab?
I'm like, I got my knee pads and met the producers.
Like, just really things.
And I'm like, what are they going to edit in and what are they going to edit out?
And the very last thing was double or nothing, right?
It's like a video bonus round.
And at that point, we had two out of the three strikes.
And your adrenaline is through the roof.
And you're like, I just want this to be done.
Because if you get the three strikes, you lose all of it.
So like, I just want to get to my location, get the money.
And then he's like, you know, we have this thing called double nothing.
Okay, we're just gonna take the money.
And he goes, can you just sit and pretend that you're thinking about it for a second?
And we taped it again.
As soon as I left the cash cab, they give you fake money.
They really give you a check later.
And I turned to the cab, they go, what are you going to do with the money?
I go, this is all going up my nose.
Because I saw something behind the music about Aerosmith or Motley Crue.
They're like, what are you doing with your money?
They go, it's all up my nose.
That got cut.
So he was not having a good day with me as literally the backseat driver just clowning him the whole time.
I'm a horrible person.
And I love it.
tim pool
We enjoy your presence.
unidentified
I know.
All right, let's see.
tim pool
Josh Shepard says, does Timcast have a tip line slash contact for news or stories?
michael malice
Just the tip.
tim pool
Just the tip.
I live just outside of Portland asking for a friend.
We don't right now.
That's a good idea.
We'll make one for now.
Pitches at timcast.com is a good way to do it.
michael malice
Just buy tipcast.com.
tim pool
Tipcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
Get it quick.
ian crossland
Someone's buying it right now.
tim pool
You just told people to buy it.
They bought it.
ian crossland
Dude, just the tip at timcast.com.
tim pool
I think that's actually a good idea for a tip line.
Although I don't know if people would take it seriously.
All right.
The one free man says anything successful is racist.
They don't want you to be successful.
michael malice
Or global warming.
Those are the two.
They alternate.
tim pool
Yes.
Also, the state labels patriots as terrorists because the one enemy of a patriot is a corrupt tyrannical government.
michael malice
Well, the Founding Fathers were terrorists.
They were all revolutionaries.
luke rudkowski
Literally.
ian crossland
That's what King George called them.
luke rudkowski
Don't tell the Back the Blue crowd what they did.
michael malice
Okay, I can't read... Or the Ayn Rand crowd.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
I can't read Cyrillic, but they say... We can't.
michael malice
You can't.
I can.
tim pool
Can you?
michael malice
I can, but very poorly.
tim pool
It says, like, it's like an... I can't even describe what the letters are.
michael malice
Backwards R, probably.
tim pool
It's a backwards A. E, backwards A, R, E, H. I can't.
michael malice
There's no way to spell that.
tim pool
Two backwards Ns.
Okay.
Two backwards Ns.
I do understand that eating eggs fresh from the chicken's butt is just eating cicadas with a few extra steps, don't you?
michael malice
Yeah, asking me?
tim pool
No, no, I think they're just saying it.
michael malice
Go back to Russia.
tim pool
So I tweeted... With your cicada food.
I tweeted yesterday I had eggs fresh from the chicken's butt, and today I had a tomato fresh off the vine.
City folk be missing out.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's what that's in reference to.
michael malice
Yeah, we definitely don't have eggs and tomatoes in the cities.
tim pool
Look, look, look.
I have a filtration system for cicadas, okay?
I'm not gonna eat a cicada.
I filter it through the chicken, and the chicken turns it into an egg, and then I cook the egg with some chili powder and some peppers, and it's delicious.
michael malice
This is being made into one of those videos where they edit everything and make us have funny reactions.
tim pool
Right now.
That little clip.
michael malice
What's his name?
Pink Trip?
He's doing that right now.
tim pool
I hope so.
Uh, yeah, we got chickens.
Only one lays eggs because she was a rehome.
The other ones, the, they're, turns out, uh, the, we thought it was a transgender, uh, uh, chicken.
It turns out to actually just been a rooster who was assigned female at birth, and that was an error on the part of the hatchery.
So now, he's got, like, they're getting older.
And the rooster has, like, his favorite girls.
They're, like, the bigger ones, I guess.
That's what he's into.
And then they all... It is!
I don't know if he's gonna do a chicken or whatever.
But he'll walk over and lay down.
And then, like, his two favorite girls come and lay with him.
And then the other girls run up and they lay on the outside.
And the one rehome just stands in the corner with its wings out going...
Like, just freaking out.
michael malice
Life is really good when you have a favorite girl.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
Alright, let's see.
Also very happy that Luke is back.
I've been a longtime supporter of both you and Malice. Love it when the dear leader is on Timcast.
michael malice
Dear writer.
tim pool
Also very happy that Luke is back. Don't you guys ever get tired of winning?
Uh, sometimes.
michael malice
I'll let you know when that happens.
tim pool
Sometimes.
ian crossland
Try to make it as challenging as possible.
So it's rewarding, you know?
tim pool
You know, I've been... Let me just put it this way, in response to winning all the time.
It's not that I'm winning all the time, it's that I don't really view winning and losing as different things.
So, like, when I skate, for instance, and I fall, I don't look at it like I failed.
It's just the same exact thing to me, but landing it is like reaching the goal.
You know, I guess I kind of view it like everything we do, whether it works or doesn't work, is just a part of the process.
michael malice
Can I also thank the audience from the bottom of my heart?
It's really kind of very sick and by design, I would guess, that urban media elites make it a point that if you're trying to express kindness or gratitude, that they have to have some sneer or that it's somehow inferior to complaints.
I'm in a different position as an author, because I can't tell you—I can, this is gonna be under 10—how many book projects I had that failed, because you write the proposal, I have a very big-shot agent, he shops it around to this, like, seven houses, and if none of the editors want it, that book proposal is dead.
Now, because of this, Anarchist Handbook and other books, I don't need to get that editor's approval.
I could put this out.
Maybe it sells crap, but it still exists.
I've still, from concept to execution.
So that is a major thing that's happened only in the last five years.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
All right.
michael malice
So thank you.
tim pool
In the, the super chat says, in the greater Seattle area, there's been a lot of military aircraft and helicopters.
It may just be a reserve weekend, but I'm way more aware of it.
Interesting.
I see what's going on with Russia and China, and I'm pessimistic in the short term.
Optimistic in the long term.
But I think, you know, were you the one who was bearish on fourth-turning stuff and Thucydides' trap, or...?
ian crossland
Oh, I heard it's Thucydides, is how you pronounce his name.
unidentified
Thucydides?
michael malice
Thucydides, isn't it?
ian crossland
I think it's Thucydides in Greek.
michael malice
Oh, interesting.
That makes sense, because they don't have the C sound.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sound, yeah.
tim pool
Thucydides.
michael malice
That wasn't me that you're referring to.
You don't like the fourth-turning.
I don't know what that is.
tim pool
It's the Strauss-Howe generational theory.
michael malice
Oh, I don't like that stuff.
I hate that stuff.
Yeah.
It seems to astrology to me.
tim pool
All right.
Mr. Hunt first name Michael says illegal immigrants pouring over the border political prisoners in solitary confinement
China is ramping up for war with the US. Why aren't we trying harder?
Why can't you and other news guys start a movement for secession?
I don't think secession would help us in a war with China It would make everything worse.
michael malice
Well, first of all, you guys.
Who is this guy's name?
tim pool
His last name is Hunt and his first name is Mike.
michael malice
OK, listen, Mr. Hunt, if that is your real name.
Something tells me it's not.
In 2015, I was the one who wrote the article about it's time to disunite the states.
I was the first one calling for the secession stuff.
Jesse Kelly was second.
So please don't point fingers when you're talking about it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and I was with the idea, not even knowing that you were even talking about it.
The first time I went on the show, it was the first idea I brought up.
I was like, we need a peaceful divorce because it makes sense to avoid a lot of the bigger drama and fighting that is going to happen and is going to be ugly.
unidentified
I have been saying this for 10 years.
The entire time I've been following politics.
michael malice
Yeah, but no one listens to a woman in politics.
Come on now, let's have some sense.
tim pool
It's about time we start, I think so, right?
unidentified
I agree.
michael malice
And that woman's name is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
tim pool
Well, she wants to abolish the ATF.
michael malice
I know, I know, it's great.
I just want to abolish ATF agents.
tim pool
Alright, uh, Dilly Dilly says, Thank you, Luke, for addressing Canadian Gestapo-style police.
Not enough discussion about it up here.
Luke, please don't leave right away.
But!
Someone followed up immediately, uh... Luke, please leave right away.
And Erican says, To everyone that's begging Luke to stay, y'all do know he has his own channel, right?
And it's pretty damn good.
michael malice
It's called We Are Change.
luke rudkowski
I'm very close to 700,000 YouTube subscribers.
michael malice
Is that true?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's amazing.
luke rudkowski
It's amazing, especially with me confronting the head of Alphabet before at Bilderberg and pissing him off and chasing him down the street.
So I'm very lucky and very blessed and I can't thank you guys enough for being a part of it and making me better by constantly criticizing me correctly.
ian crossland
You do amazing work.
tim pool
This is for you, Michael.
Stoker Roylott says, Tim and company, love your show.
I've had a monkey as a pet worst decision I've ever made.
The only thing the monkey did was constantly, continuously, through an unrelenting, never-ending stream of excrement at me.
Bad time in my life.
I don't think marmosets do that though.
michael malice
Yes they do.
Why would marmosets be different?
ian crossland
I feel like that's a monkey.
michael malice
They're just small monkeys.
tim pool
I gotta tell you a story.
They have macaques in Brazil, right?
Is that what it is?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
I was in Rio, and we were walking down the street when I got hit by something.
And I turned around, like, what happened?
And the guy was like, he's okay, he's just a monkey.
Or I think he said macaque.
And I was like...
I got hit by something and he said it's just a it's just a macaque and then I I didn't know what it meant I didn't think he said he hit me with yeah yeah yeah you know and then he was like look up there and then I look and there was a little monkey on top of like a bus like seating thing and it was like looking at us and it yelled and it threw something at me again it was just the most hilarious thing I've ever seen They're all over Rio, I guess they just run around and do their thing, you know.
michael malice
But if you look at a monkey's energy, they're very frenetic.
They're always looking around, they're bouncing around.
It's not something that should be in this small space that you would give, like, let's suppose a sugar glider or something else that's cool.
ian crossland
Yeah, they need to swing through trees.
michael malice
And they're smart enough to know, you're the one keeping me prisoner here.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I experienced them in Thailand and in India, and in both times, they're gangster and they're trouble.
michael malice
Yes.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Legama Fagion says, I met an anti-Trump leftist with a cast still on their arm from being pulled from the path of the car in Charlottesville by a right-wing militiaman who saved them.
They fully debunked the good people on both sides hoax.
Can I email you their name and YouTube?
This person is a patriot.
Interesting.
Pitches at TimCast.com.
All right, Christopher says, Tim, your ignorance to the law is amazing sometimes.
If a crime is committed with a gun, they never give the guns back.
michael malice
Yeah, but it's not necessarily a crime of the gun that they're being charged with, right?
tim pool
Well, my point is, if he won and didn't plead guilty, then it wasn't a crime.
Then they'd get his guns back.
How could you be like, well, you know, you're not guilty of committing a crime, but we're going to take it because it was a crime.
michael malice
But sometimes they do that, like drug stuff.
Like if you're not convicted, they still keep the stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
michael malice
So we don't know how the law works.
tim pool
Evil state stuff, man.
michael malice
Yeah.
All right.
Or they could be like, we lost it.
tim pool
Boogaloo Boy says, RIP Duncan Lemp.
Time to raise the black flag is near.
Stay safe and stay deadly.
ian crossland
Who is Duncan?
unidentified
That story deserves a lot more attention.
luke rudkowski
It was a no-knock raid in the middle of the night in Maryland from a police department, SWAT department in Maryland that's known for having many controversial no-knock raids.
And as you were describing, a man was shot when he was sleeping.
michael malice
Through the window!
luke rudkowski
His pregnant girlfriend was ripped away through glass.
And no one really talks about the story, but this is a huge story.
michael malice
And they're refusing to release the body cam footage.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
michael malice
Still.
And none of the cops are going to be charged, and he's dead.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
michael malice
And here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
Let's steel man this argument.
Let's pretend, because the argument was he got a tip he's got like a red flag gun law.
You got a guy who's got an illegal and he's like let's place he's like a really evil person who's killed kids before whatever just let's let's make him as worse possible who shouldn't have these guns you know he's armed you know there's a girl in there and he was with his parents I believe you know there's people there You stake out that house, you wait until he leaves to go to 7-Eleven, you knock on the door where mom or the girlfriend go, here's our warrant, get the F out of our way, we're gonna search this house from attic to basement, we're gonna tear apart the furniture, but you get to be alive and you go stand in the corner.
Everyone Including the gun people would be like if you have to have
to choose between these two scenarios I'm choosing this one the idea of a no knock. I said this
line on Glenn Beckett. I'll say it again I'll say it till I'm dead in the face even Stalin had the
courtesy to knock You laugh but think about it. Yeah, even the KGB Germany
you're at night. You're You're terrified because, oh my God, it's two in the morning.
They're coming to take us to the gulag.
The fact that you could shoot guns blazing for an American who might have guns, it's not like he has some... Look, if he had a kid hostage, if this is an imminent terror threat, I can wrap my head around it very, very easily.
tim pool
What was their claim against him?
michael malice
That he had guns that he shouldn't have.
He has a red flag law.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
michael malice
Yeah, so this was executed in his sleep.
There was not even a claim that he was an imminent threat to anyone.
So the premise behind no-knock raids, let's also explain it because it sounds so psychotic, is we have to do these because otherwise the person might destroy the evidence.
Now, I could even wrap my head, if it's a coke dealer, and he's gonna flush the coke down the toilet, why they don't just shut off the water in that case doesn't make sense to me, and is really risking these officers' lives worth their cocaine.
tim pool
You can still flush toilet even if the water's off.
michael malice
The point is, you're not flushing those guns down the toilet.
You cannot destroy an armada and arsenal of guns in even a long period of time.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
And these people are murderers.
And by the way, this is why I say all cops are criminals.
How much money would it take Gretchen Whitmer to tell you to put on body armor and at three in the morning shoot someone in their sleep or break down their door while they're in bed at age 23 with their pregnant girlfriend?
If you can take any kind of money to do that, you are a monster.
tim pool
All right, Charles.
Balyozian says, welcome to Tim Pool bets.
Everyone demanded jury trial.
The state can't process all of us.
Convicts strong together.
Don't bend the knee.
michael malice
Let's go.
tim pool
Crackbot says, Tim, aren't you the one saying that the Kenosha Kid was going to get life in prison?
So what makes you think that they would get a fair trial?
I'm not entirely convinced they would.
There was a lot of people politically fighting on their behalf.
I do think the Kenosha Kid will likely get life in prison on these charges.
I still think he needs to fight and not plead guilty.
Imagine if Kyle Rittenhouse was like, I'm gonna plead guilty to felony assault with a deadly weapon instead of two counts of murder because at least then he'll only go for 25 years.
Nah, he needs to fight and he needs to win and he needs all the support he can get.
michael malice
Tim, I also think it's very hard for, maybe for me, maybe not for you, because you've actually been arrested.
When you're in that environment, I think it's very, very hard to think rationally.
And I think the longer you spend in that prison, the more you think, this is what I'm looking at for the rest of my life.
I can't do this.
I can't do this.
I'll take whatever I can, like a rat in a sinking ship.
That's what I imagine is psychology for a lot of these people, and I don't blame them.
It's my design.
luke rudkowski
It's dehumanizing, and it's torture too, especially if you're in solitary confinement, which a lot of people are.
tim pool
I will stress this about Kyle to make sure I'm clear.
I wish none of that ever happened.
It's a horrifying tragedy, and I think any violence that comes from the state afterwards is just making everything worse.
So at this point, I hope there's a fair trial, and we'll see what comes of it.
But we've had what, four or five witnesses in here telling us about what happened, and we even had Destiny.
He's a leftist.
He said it was the clearest case of self-defense he'd ever seen, and he got banned on Twitch for saying that.
He got removed from their partner program.
So anyway, look.
I think you won't always get a fair trial, but I think if enough people stood up and demanded their rights, we could have an impact before it's too late.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you're right that it instills panic and that we almost need some sort of like military training to stay calm in the face of authority.
michael malice
Or just be from Eastern Europe.
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Be steeled.
michael malice
Right?
tim pool
We got a really, really big super chat that was retracted.
How much is it?
It was 500 bucks.
michael malice
You could retract super chats?
tim pool
Yeah.
No, no, no.
The message was deleted.
The Super Chats.
michael malice
Who is it by?
tim pool
I don't know if I should read it because they took their comment away, right?
michael malice
Does the name start with G?
tim pool
No.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
No, it's a long name.
michael malice
Wow.
unidentified
Thank you.
michael malice
Man, that's soda money.
tim pool
Fudrucker3000.
That's not actually what the name is.
michael malice
That's the worst of the Fudruckers.
tim pool
Well, that's not the name they actually put, though.
The name is the other one.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
I had the opportunity to be on a local trial twice.
First time, it was heavily implied that a child was abused.
Second, it was clearly about attempted murder.
Jury nullification isn't as simple as liberals dream it to be.
michael malice
Yes, liberals.
tim pool
You know, I don't think I'd ever get chosen for a jury.
Ever.
Because I have a policy of I will almost always say not guilty in almost every circumstances.
michael malice
Someone, who shall remain nameless, when they were doing jury selection, went up to them and said, I'm an anarchist, and I will not vote to convict under any circumstances.
And they said, too bad, you're on the grand jury.
And I'm like, or whoever that person was, was like, all right, let's dance.
tim pool
I'd absolutely say I will not convict.
Well, I say 99%.
michael malice
Look, if they come and they're like, here's a video of him beating a child to death, I'd be like... And whoever this person was certainly did convict because there are cases where it's like, weed?
But there's also cases like, this guy tied up his adoptive mom and raped and killed her.
It's like, okay, this is not an anarchist versus... Right, right, right.
This is this person should not be convicted.
tim pool
I'm not trying to fight you, I'm telling you my philosophy so you know.
you can present not just evidence beyond a reasonable doubt but like clear
evidence proving guilt my personal philosophy is jury nullification and
advocacy of to all other jurors so I'm more than happy to be on your jury to
advocate all the other jurors how we can nullify this discharge yeah and if they
say okay I'm down I'm not trying to fight you I'm telling you my philosophy
so you know yeah and if they want me on there so be it you know and we all this
michael malice
also to Homer Simpson's advice on how to get a jury duty Which one was that?
Uh, to say you're prejudiced against all races.
tim pool
Uh, so, Phoenix Gold says, Tim's crossfire idea, malice and Vosch.
It would leave me speechless.
You know the rest.
Uh, Vosch has agreed to come back on.
Are you familiar with Vosch?
michael malice
No.
Oh, somewhat.
Isn't he like a socialist?
tim pool
Yeah, I think he's a socialist.
He's a prominent leftist YouTube personality.
And I told him I would love to have him come back with another person, but I don't want it to be an unfair kind of ambush.
So if I got like the foremost leading expert on some field to come in between two commentators that would act like I'm not I'm not all about that so I said if there's someone you want to bring that you know he's like I'm not I don't think it matters you know let me know and so I started reaching out to a few people I thought would be would be good to have you know what I really would like to do is People who are clearly at odds in the political spectrum, but focus on subject matter that doesn't cross over.
So, you know, finding someone who's maybe a bitcoiner libertarian to talk with someone who's like a critical race theorist.
Or like have that discussion where it's like they don't tweet about each other, but here we are, we'll find some agreement on something and disagreements on other things.
So that's what I'm thinking about with, you know, inviting Vosh back.
Obviously critical race theory is one of the bigger components because of what's happening today.
michael malice
Have you seen an advocate of that?
tim pool
Yeah.
So we had a conversation with him here and I think, I'll put it this way actually, I had a conversation on Facebook today.
Someone posted a meme that was actually really critical of critical race theory and the leftists didn't know that they posted an anti-critical race theory meme.
And then argue with me about it because they thought it was pro-critical race theory.
So it said, it was a woman saying, would you like to learn the history of racism in the United States?
And I said, watch out.
She could be teaching critical race theory.
The joke is the left comes in and says, we're just teaching about racism, but watch out.
It's actually racist, identitarianism or indoctrination.
But these leftists genuinely thought critical race theory was literally just history.
unidentified
That's what Chris Wallace said during the debate.
tim pool
And so when I countered and said, here's an example of what they're teaching in schools, it was an article from the Sacramento School Board arguing for creating white racial identity groups.
I said, I don't know how we're better serving our children by telling them to form white racial identitarian groups.
And they said, what are you talking about?
This post is about teaching history.
And I said, you didn't say history, you said critical race theory.
And they were like, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
And I said, I just sent you a link to this thing.
They're teaching in schools that white people should have a white racial awakening and should form groups of only white people to discuss their race.
And I said, let me ask you a question.
If you believe that white people are colonizers, do you think that putting a bunch of white people together and telling them to discuss their racial identity would result in more or less racism from these people?
And they were like, well, I think they'll learn the right lesson and become good people.
And I was like, is that why the alt-right became so prominent for the amount of time they did?
Because learning about racial identitarianism made them peaceful, anti-racist or something?
I think it just told them to form racial identity groups, which they did.
Whether it's positive or negative is irrelevant.
But this is what they genuinely believe.
So, Vosch, I don't want to put words in his mouth at this point, but I think during the conversation was generally of the opinion that critical race theory is simply an academic theory analyzing the intersection of race and policy, which it's not.
That's what they claim it to be, but when you actually look at what they say, and they talk about race as property.
michael malice
It's Martin Bailey.
tim pool
It's a racial identitarian ideology, which, so I'll put it this way.
Critical race theory is the academic theory based in racial identitarianism.
There you go.
So when they come and say it's just a theory, say, sure, sure.
But the theory that forms, the ideology that forms these theories is a perception of racial identitarianism as being paramount.
I oppose racial and identitarian.
michael malice
We've only had- You have to, you're mixed race.
There's nowhere for you to go.
tim pool
Right, so this is what I tell people.
The world Yeah.
has existed as an identitarian civilization since the dawn of time.
We've only had 56 years of an attempt at anti-identitarian law.
Critical race theory seeks to reimpose.
This is a reactionary ideology.
They oppose the revolution that we had 56 years ago.
It's not even been... People are still alive.
My family, still alive, who went through identitarian laws, that's exactly what the critical race theorists seek to impose.
They want to undo the hard work that my family and many others did.
And it's very, very simple.
I don't understand, you know, these people.
This guy I'm arguing with is a white guy.
And I was like, You're a white man telling a mixed race person that you seek to impose law based on race, which would cause extreme harm to my family.
Of course I oppose you.
And they say, well, shut up, we don't care.
michael malice
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's why I talk about it the way I do.
michael malice
If people are interested in this, James Lindsay was on my show.
You guys had him on.
Yeah, he's great.
Me and him go back and forth for an hour, really getting into the details of this.
If you go on YouTube, James Lindsay, Michael Malice, you can find that it's one of my best episodes.
ian crossland
What's the metaphor of Motten Bailey you brought up?
michael malice
Oh, so Mott and Bailey, I talked about this in the new write, it's a technique, it's a very common, once you identify it, you can't not see it.
unidentified
See it everywhere.
michael malice
Where you have basically the Mott and the Bailey, I forget which is which.
You have the castle, and then you have the grounds, right?
ian crossland
I believe the Mott is the hill.
michael malice
The hill, okay.
So basically what will happen is... Are you sure?
That's kind of secondary.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice
So they will have a premise which is indisputable, then they'll have a premise which is ridiculous, right?
So it'll be like, okay, um...
We need to eradicate racism in America and have people to be treated fairly.
Okay, I'm agree with that.
Then you agree that people who are economic minorities should go to college for free.
I'm like, whoa.
But you just agreed that we need to eradicate racism.
So they just vacillate between, they get you to agree to something that you can't not disagree with.
Then they extrapolate that to what they think is organic.
And when you argue with the extrapolation, they retreat back into the area of agreement as if that premise therefore covers what they're extrapolating to.
tim pool
You said the Mott was the hill.
ian crossland
I think I thought so.
michael malice
You're correct.
tim pool
The Bailey is the open field.
The Mott is the hill where the keep is on top.
And so, yes.
michael malice
So that's what they were doing.
They were like saying, I want to explore the history of politics and race in America.
That's extremely germane.
Everyone wants it.
That's very fascinating.
What was it like being black in New York in the 1700s?
I would love to know.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
So therefore, we need to critically teach racism.
Well, no, no, no, no.
I'm not for that.
tim pool
Well, you just said... I think it's the other way around, actually.
What they'll do is they'll say, we need racial identitarian law and affirmative action.
And then when you say, I think it's wrong that you're telling a child Simply by looking the way you do, you don't get to go to Harvard.
And they say, what are you talking about?
unidentified
We're just trying to teach the history of racism.
tim pool
And that's exactly what they did.
So my response to this guy is critical race theory.
michael malice
And they may not even do it intentionally.
They're just trained to see these things as synonymous.
tim pool
But I do think I got through to some of these people.
I think a lot of them genuinely don't understand what they're talking about.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
They just watch CNN and then believe the lies.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And so my response was... The training.
You have to use the Socratic method.
I don't approach these people as enemies.
I simply agree with them.
When they post this meme, I just immediately was like, I think teaching children in schools to form white racist groups is a bad idea.
And then when they're like, what are you talking about?
Here's a link.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they read it and they go, I don't understand.
And I'll be like, that's what they're teaching in these schools.
And then we get into an argument because they want to defend their tribe.
But eventually I said, ultimately the end of the conversation, I was like, it sounds like we agree that I think we need to teach the true history of racism and colonization.
Like everybody knows Christopher Columbus didn't discover America.
There were already people here and he didn't even land in America anyway.
But you can argue to the Europeans, it was the first time Europeans had contact, so I think understanding the context is very important.
Now, I think we also agree, telling a bunch of white kids to form a group based on just being white and discover their white racial identity, probably not a good thing, right?
Well, of course.
Great.
Here's the literature, here's what they're saying.
It's really amazing how the leftists will accuse conservatives of not knowing anything about critical race theory.
And I'm like, well, perhaps what's being argued, because I'll say this.
I could have done a way better job in my discussion with Vaush, for sure.
But when we talk about critical race theory, there's certain very obvious grievances and things that are happening that we're concerned about.
I'm not complaining about Derrick Bell writing some literature.
I don't care about his opinions.
I'm not complaining about Ibram X. Kendi writing a book.
He's allowed to write a book.
What I'm complaining about is applied critical theory.
And I think one of the problems that conservatives have, they keep saying critical race theory over and over again, and that is the left's battleground.
They immediately then say, oh, well, here's Kimberlé Crenshaw.
We don't teach Kimberlé Crenshaw in schools.
What they're doing is applied racial theory, or what they call, they call it critical race praxis.
So what happens is they take the theories, turn it into an indoctrination, and then slip it into every subject.
So when you say critical race theory, the immediate response is, I don't think we've had a lecture on Derrick Bell once in fifth grade.
That's absurd.
And you're like, that's not what I'm talking about.
That's what critical race theory is.
So, all right, let's read a couple more here.
Buttertoast says, Reno May posted a video today about a Cali police department that illegally took high capacity magazines from a guy that could legally own them, then proceeded to tell the owner that even if a court order was given, he wouldn't get them back.
michael malice
Yep.
luke rudkowski
Criminal.
michael malice
Yep, yep.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that's, like, just stealing.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
michael malice
It is.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, but the state's doing it, so it's fine, right?
tim pool
All right, uh, we'll do two more.
luke rudkowski
Have you ever heard of taxes?
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
I've heard of this thing called taxes.
tim pool
Delana Manuel says, Michael, I just joined your locals.
I came across the autobiography of Ukrainian immigrant Alexander Sass Jaworski.
I'll post more details on your locals feed.
michael malice
Okay, thank you.
tim pool
And just in line with the last conversation, Samuel Harris says, Tim.
michael malice
The Samuel Harris?
tim pool
The Samuel Harris.
Tim, how do you respond to people who call you white or white-passing in order to shut down your opinion in discussions around race?
michael malice
Do you pee-pee in their Coke?
tim pool
I immediately start screaming on top of my lungs.
I call them racist over and over again.
And I say, racist said what?
Racist says what?
So I've had this happen to me many times, and one of the issues is it is a big excuse, and then I say, like, well, I get it from my whole life.
People told me that I was Mexican.
White people tend to say I'm Mexican.
People who aren't white tend to say I'm white.
So what am I supposed to do?
I don't exist in any of their worlds.
I'm always an other.
There are some places where I blend in perfectly.
I was in Egypt, and they were like, you don't gotta worry about a thing.
People will think you're Egyptian, and I was able to walk around.
michael malice
But here's the other thing.
15 years ago, and remember this is on The Real World, there was a character, Piggy, I think was even her name, was on The Real World London, I'm thinking.
There was so much hand-wringing about mixed-race people, And how they don't fit in anywhere, and there's girls who are like half black, half white, and the black girls tell them they're too white, and the white girls are racist, and we need to have more representation of multiracial people.
When you have the census, what am I supposed to check off?
My dad's, you know, Chinese, and my mom's Hispanic.
There's no box for me.
And this was a big conversation.
It's a big move about leftism, and now that you have the CRT thing, it's just like, Yeah, we don't care about that.
That was just kind of an excuse.
tim pool
I mean, no, no, no.
I've straight up had these CRT people, like, essentially tell me that I'm a chopped liver.
I'm a second-class citizen.
During Occupy Wall Street, they said, too effing bad.
It is for us and not for you.
And I'm like, we're the smallest minority in the country, and not only that, we're not cohesive.
Someone who's like, you know, black and Asian is very different looking from someone who's white and Asian,
or who's Hispanic and, you know, Middle Eastern or something.
I'm like, not only are we the smallest minority, but in our own individual groups,
we're even smaller of a minority, and they say, we don't care.
Yeah.
At Occupy Wall Street, they told me to just go screw myself.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
They said, you get to go leave.
Leave.
You're not part of this.
You don't get a group.
You don't get advocacy.
No one's going to support you.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I was like, well, then screw you guys.
I'm going home.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'll make my own Occupy Wall Street with Blackjack.
michael malice
With Blackjack.
unidentified
That's right.
Just Blackjack, though.
tim pool
Yeah, just Blackjack.
It's got to be legal.
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Michael, you have a book.
Do you want to shout anything out?
michael malice
AnarchistHandbook.com and I'm Michael Malice on Twitter.
And yeah, this book wouldn't have been such a huge success without you guys.
And without you guys.
So having that You know what it's like when you have that freedom to create what you want and you can pay your rent.
Yes.
And given my personality, it's going to be a really fun 2021.
unidentified
It's a beautiful feeling to have that.
tim pool
May you live in interesting times.
michael malice
That's also a curse, you know.
tim pool
I know.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
And just so people know, I am posting very inappropriate memes during the show on Twitter and Instagram.
michael malice
Oh, you are?
I have this in airplane mode.
luke rudkowski
I've been tweeting up a story.
All under LukeWeAreChanged, LukeWeAreChanged Twitter and Instagram.
And my cult is going very well.
You may or may not be able to join it on LukeUncensored.com.
ian crossland
I really want to give a shout out to that book, Michael.
That's awesome.
michael malice
That's really cool.
ian crossland
And I love the cover.
We didn't talk about the cover on air.
It's some sort of vapor.
How did you describe it?
michael malice
I didn't describe it, Ian.
ian crossland
Okay, so it's like a vapor wave looking... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look at that.
tim pool
It's just cool style.
michael malice
Let's tell you the story of the cover.
John Gerges did this cover.
He also did my theme song for my podcast.
What I did with this cover, this is what I realized.
Everything that we as old, very online people are used to, corporations haven't thought of doing it yet.
So Vaporwave, which is like this, like 18, 1980s Miami look, which has, it's like, it's been been there, done down the internet, like 2017, yawn.
But I knew no corporate publisher would have a cover that looks like this because it hasn't percolated yet.
So I would be able to have a cover like this that no one else had, and it would really pop from the screen.
And I'm ecstatic with it.
And this is Louis Ling, who was the, he was the first Che Guevara.
He was the big stud of anarchy, and we gave him a little dynamite lapel pin.
tim pool
Oh, very nice.
ian crossland
I love it.
Thank you guys so much.
unidentified
I have never accidentally switched to my own camera before, so there's respect for everything.
I apologize for that, but I am actually here in the corner.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I attempt to surpass Sour Patch Kids and followers.
michael malice
Oh, I love Sour Patch.
Oh, and I surpassed today the Libertarian Party.
ian crossland
Oh, yes!
tim pool
They're gonna have to have you on as press secretary now.
michael malice
Oh, it's gonna be great.
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