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May 27, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Daily Caller SUES Democrat Mayor For Anti White Racism w/Lauren Chen

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unidentified		you you
unidentified		you the Daily Caller has filed a lawsuit because Lori Lightfoot,
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Democrat mayor of Chicago was banning white people from doing interviews and
		And while maybe not the biggest story of the day, because, you know, Joe Biden is going to be printing $6 trillion, or he's proposing a $6 trillion spending budget, which will shatter records not seen since World War II, apparently.
		This is fighting back.
		This is organizations saying, we're not going to stand up.
		We're not going to stand and just take this racism and we're going to push back.
		So I think it's something really important that we should talk about.
		And it's the direct ramification of this just fringe ideology that wants to create racial segregation.
		But we do have a lot to talk about in terms of, as we always do, Democrat policies.
		Because we're learning from many of these Republican governors.
		Their economies are going pretty well.
		I mean, in South Dakota, for instance, Chrissy Noem's bragging about how their economy's actually improved.
		They never had a lockdown.
		Then you look at the Democrat cities, and it's really, really bad.
		There's stories coming out talking about the homeless crisis.
		They're calling it a constant state of emergency.
		California, Venice, it is just a very serious homeless problem.
		New York's seeing the exact same thing.
		It didn't work.
		Whatever it is they did, didn't work.
		And clearly in New York, Cuomo killed all those people.
		So we know, yeah, it didn't work.
		And once again, Republicans are gloating because things are going well for them.
		And now we're learning that many people are fleeing Democrat cities, going to Republican areas.
		So there's a lot we're going to have to go through.
		Gas prices skyrocketing.
		People don't want jobs.
		But we'll start with fighting back and pushing back on the woke racist cult stuff.
		And joining us today is Lauren Chen.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for having me again.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to just give a quick introduction?
unidentified		Sure.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So I am Lauren Chen, the artist formerly known as Roaming Millennial.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		If you've been following me for a while online, and I make videos on the internet complaining about a variety of different things, culture, politics, sometimes movies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We, we, we, we, we, it's a genre of complaining on the internet.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Commentary is what I like to think of us as.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian complains on the internet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lauren.
		Thank you for having me.
		Yes, Ian Crossland here at iancrossland.net.
		Happy to be back.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And Sour Patch Lids pushing the buttons in the corner for this lovely production with my pal Lauren.
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		Let's jump into this first story.
		You know, it's a tough call.
		How in the weeds is this?
		Daily Caller sues Chicago mayor for limiting interviews to people of color.
		Basically, Anti-white racism.
		That's what Tulsi Gabbard said, one of the only politicians with the guts to actually call out this fringe insanity.
		The Hill reports the Daily Caller News Foundation and one of its reporters is suing Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot.
		The lawsuit filed in the U.S.
		District Court for the Northern District of Illinois accuses Lightfoot of ignoring an interview request from Thomas Ketanachi, a reporter for the publication, because he is not a journalist of color.
		The suit, filed by conservative government watchdog group Judicial Watch, claims Lightfoot violated Kenenachi's First Amendment and equal protection rights.
		The mayor's office has not yet filed a legal response to the suit, according to a federal court electronic records database.
		Quote, The city has not had the opportunity to review the complaint and has not yet been served, the Chicago Department of Law said when asked about the suit.
		Kenenachi referred questions about the suit to Judicial Watch.
		Defendant is aware that Plaintiff Ketanachi is not a journalist of color, and Defendant has denied Plaintiff's interview request pursuant to her announcement that she will only grant interview requests from journalists of color, the suit states.
		The lawsuit asks the court to force Lightfoot to give Ketanachi an interview, and also pay the Plaintiff's attorney's fees and litigation costs.
		I think it's a good thing.
		I think this is the kind of thing that people need to be doing more of.
		So far, it seems like, now outside of The Daily Caller, James O'Keefe and Veritas are the only ones who are really filing these lawsuits, challenging the insanity, but they're too often getting away with this stuff.
		Now, I also would like to point out the absurdity of, like, if he wins, what, he gets to interview Lori Lightfoot?
		So she'll just be like, screw you.
		I guess.
		She'll pay for it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why didn't she just say, no, I don't want to talk to that guy?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why did she have to make it about race in the first place?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because she's racist?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why did she keep it to herself?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		She tried to make this whole PR move where she was like, I will only be interviewing... I don't even think it's just POC.
		I think she said specifically black and brown or like black and Latinx or whatever.
		I don't think she's including Asians.
		Sorry, Tim.
		We won't be interviewing Lori Lightfoot.
		She was trying to make it into this, look how progressive thing I am.
		So that's why she didn't just say no.
		It's because it was part of a, she was trying to score woke points and now she's being sued.
		So you get what you deserve.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is this, this kind of stuff we're seeing in government is, is just, you know, I want to talk about this because we recently saw that other lawsuit where the guy, he sued Biden because Biden's doing this relief program for COVID, but not to white people.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then there's another program where farmers can get like a debt repayment, but not to white people.
		So, you know what this is?
		You know what this seems to me?
		They've found a way to enact their critical race theory agenda without going through the normal channels because the normal channels would block them.
		I mean, they're still doing it.
		If they said, we want to take all of the wealth from white people and give it to non-white people and create a communist utopia and raise up the system, yeah, it's not gonna fly.
		But if they say, oh, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna help everyone get their business up and running, but we're only giving money to, you know, certain races, then they're doing some kind of, it's insane, ideological manipulation of the system for some kind of social outcome.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and it's systemic racism.
		I support anyone who's suing on the grounds that the government is telling you you aren't eligible for a certain benefit or whatever, specifically because of your race.
		And this is exactly what the left likes to talk about all the time, right?
		Systemically racist policies.
		They talk about things like redlining and Jim Crow, which, yes, we're racist, but the answer to balance it out is not, you know, just throw in a little bit of anti-white racism to counteract the anti-black racism.
		And so then it's everything's OK.
		It's like, no, that's not the answer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Communism.
		It's increasingly, I mean, you know, a lot of people have mentioned, like, cultural Marxism and stuff.
		But, I mean, look at what's going on with the State Department.
		They're putting up these flags, the embassies or whatever.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, BLM flags.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		BLM flags, Pride flags.
		I'm like, those flags don't represent the country.
		It is, a cult ideology is absolutely ingrained in our government right now.
		And I don't know how you get that out.
		That's an ideological stink.
		Lawsuits is good.
		Filing a suit.
		I don't think, you know, in the end, him getting an interview will really change anything, but pushing back against the racism is important.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I think half of the battle is really just awareness, because for the longest time, I would say at least the past four or five years, this kind of stuff has been brewing and most people didn't know about it, right?
		normies, the everyday people who aren't really politically engaged.
		And if we look at what's happening with all of these different states banning CRT in schools,
		Lydia and I were talking about this earlier, the only reason why that's happening now versus
		a couple years ago when it started is because now parents actually know about it because
		they were doing Zoom classes from home with their kids and they were actually looking
		over the material maybe for the first time.
		So it's like with this Lori Lightfoot thing, the lawsuit is important because at least
		now the people in Chicago will know like, hang on, my mayor thinks this is a good idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, what?
		I don't think anyone's gonna care a whole lot.
		I just think this could set precedent, there's some pushback.
		But for the schools, I mean, think about what that means.
		For years, for a generation, parents never paid attention.
		You don't ask your kid, what did you learn in school today?
		I remember when I came back from school when I was a little kid, it's like, what did you learn?
		I was like, I learned about, when I was a little kid, my mom, she was very progressive for this generation.
		I come back from school and she asked me what I learned, and I mentioned something about Christopher Columbus, you know, 1492, sailing the ocean blue.
		He discovered America.
		My mom was like, there were already people here.
		And I was like, yeah.
		It's like, yeah, the Native Americans.
		I was like, yeah.
		She's like, so they discovered America.
		And I was like, oh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did she tell you about Leif Erikson?
unidentified		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Viking.
unidentified		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That always blew my mind.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, I never understood why schools were always lying.
		But here's, I guess I'm lucky, I have a parent who asks me what was going on in school, and then she can give me better information.
		Today, parents don't care, they're not raising their kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's insidious.
		Like, it's slid in.
		To be honest, I don't know, because I haven't been to school in a while, but I would imagine that it's slid in to like, it's not what they're teaching, it's just part of like, The, the base of what's being taught, you know, like they'll put it in the book and they'll, I don't know.
		I haven't been to school in a while, but I imagine that it's not like the overt lesson every time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just kind of worse than that.
		So I saw this one, uh, this one math problem.
		So remember he used to get the, like, you know, train leaves New York traveling at 65 miles an hour.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Another train leaves traveling at whatever miles per hour.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I saw one where it was like, you know, Jamal is a black man who gets stopped by police 17 times in one week, and Rick is a white man who gets stopped by seven times.
		What percentage of the police stops were, yeah, yeah, no, seriously, that's the kind of stuff.
		So it's part of the ideology, it's to have it be every facet of their understanding of the world.
		I think I'm hoping kids reject this kind of stuff.
		You know, when I was a little kid, I rebelled.
		Kids rebel.
		And I hope hopefully the institutionalization of the cult actually makes younger people reject it.
		But imagine how creepy it's going to be when, look, man, somebody somebody posted on Reddit.
		It was like a meme where it's like, kid, I'm 10 years old.
		And you're like, so what?
		It's like I was born in 2011.
		And you're like, gross.
		Oh, man.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like you're talking to someone who was born in 2014 and people are like, what year is it?
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Time flies.
		Yeah.
		So in 20 years from today, you're going to have people in Congress who are raised on all of this stuff ingrained in their minds and their worldview will be absolute racism.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's why it's important, I think, that they're actually doing something to address it.
		Banning it.
		And I was just seeing there was this little Twitter skirmish between, you know, Michael Malice, who I'm a huge fan of, and I think Cathy Young.
		There are people arguing that you don't really support free speech if you want to ban CRT from schools.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was that Cathy Young saying that?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think she was on the side of the person who didn't want it to be banned, right?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Who was saying, like, well, the right are just SJWs, too, because they're trying to ban this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it funny how she always does that?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought so a little bit.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I've interviewed her before and it was about something that I was on her side of but I don't see how you can compare not wanting to fund what is obviously an ideological like bent for young children with trying to cancel people or being an SJW.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When they used to complain about, and they still do, especially if you go on Reddit, religion in schools.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, yes, get the ideology out of the education.
		Now it's the left putting an ideology into education and we're still saying, no, you shouldn't do that.
		But these people are acting like that's acceptable and that should be done.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I don't think they see the difference.
		It's like no one, like no one on the right now in mainstream is arguing that there should be, you know, Christian funded education mandatory in all schools.
		Because I think we've, you know, America has accepted that they don't want to do that.
		But when it comes to CRT and the left's ideology, for some reason, well, that should fall under free speech.
		It's like, I know, like you were saying, if we're getting ideology out, it should be all ideologies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone needs to start the church of critical theory.
		That way it's, oh, it's a religion now!
		Someone filed the paperwork, and now you can't have it in schools.
		They don't even bother with trying to get it banned.
		But a bunch of states are banning it, so I guess it's a good thing.
		I don't know, I feel a bit nihilistic on it.
		A bit pessimistic.
		Like, oh, here we go, here we go again.
		It's just gonna keep happening.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's how I felt last night.
		If you get to the kids, you brainwash the kids that you can, and then you don't even see the results for 20 years or 15 years.
		That's the problem.
		We don't realize the damage we're doing No, no, they do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the plan.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they don't think of it as damage.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they think of it as victory, winning.
		Isn't it amazing?
		Remember when that Republican lady was like... I'm not going to quote her.
		She said something about that guy from Germany and how she claimed that him going after the kids was a good tactic, but she said it in a very, very different way.
		I won't repeat.
		Yeah, she said it in a very crude way and like all of a sudden the media erupted like, how dare you say that about that man?
		It's like, yeah, you shouldn't, you shouldn't, but she was talking about how the Nazis went after kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indoctrinated kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Hitler Youth.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now it's really funny because I said it yesterday, I'll say it again.
		When people always ask, like, how did it get to the point where people were standing in the streets doing the Nazi salute?
		And I'm like, the people are marching around doing the Red Salute right now.
		Like, you don't even need to ask the question.
		Just look around you.
		It's happening.
		And you know what?
		People always think, it can't happen here.
		And then it does happen here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It can happen anywhere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's not gonna be overnight.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		I used to think, you know, slippery slope takes time.
		It's not gonna be overnight.
		Look at what happened with COVID.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at how quickly it became the norm to actually call The police on your neighbors for having people over that took like less than a year My favorite thing was like how quickly the police started enforcing things that weren't the law It's like it's not there's no law saying you have you have to stay in your house and they're like, well the governor said so I'm like, I'm sorry Do you follow the Constitution and the law or just like what the governor tells you to do?
		Yeah And all of these cops were just like with smiles on their faces, you know, beating and arresting people.
		There's a video.
		It's really amazing, man.
		Reddit is awesome.
		You ever go to Reddit?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I can't stand it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		That's why it's awesome.
		It is.
		It's like, it's like it's looking into like the mirror dimension.
		It's like parallel paranoid reality.
		There was a video where it's a woman having a breakdown over masks and she's just screaming like, I am done with this.
		I am done being bullied.
		The CDC data says, and then the cop grabs her and arrests her.
		And the people are cheering, calling her a Karen.
		And I'm like, She was citing CDC data and the cop arrested her.
		Dude, the younger generation that's on these platforms, whether it's sock puppets manipulating them, it is becoming 1984 ultra cult authoritarian.
		It's creepy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It is creepy and I even with the mask thing we were talking about this earlier I mentioned online I see people in cities walking around by themselves wearing masks and they're not it's not like there's anyone near them and I asked why on social media people are doing that and I had all these people saying well it's to express my concern for others because I care So, A, I got a lot of people saying it's to express something, meaning that it is a virtue signal.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's a social signal that you're showing that you care.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You saw David Hogg, right?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He tweeted he didn't want people to think he was a conservative.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh my goodness.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So he's wearing a mask because of that, yeah.
unidentified		That's what he said!
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's a social signaler now.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So it's either you're doing this just for woke virtue points or you're We've been so hyped into this fear, this hysteria by the media, that people actually think it's this deadly, that even if you're not sick, the other person isn't sick, you're outside, you're not near each other, you could still spread it?
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is where it gets... You know, we were gonna talk about a bunch of Democrat policy stuff, but let's just go here.
		You guys ready?
		From Slate.
		My husband won't take his mask off, even for sex.
		We're both vaccinated now, when will this stop?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's horrifying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is mask derangement syndrome, and I blame the media.
		Freaking out.
		So this guy apparently... Maybe it's a prank.
		Maybe someone wrote a letter like, haha, I'm gonna send it in.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I'm convinced that real people exist like this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, have you seen the videos where people are screaming about masks?
unidentified		Like, they lose their minds!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just stay away from the people if they're not doing what they're supposed to.
		If they're supposed to be wearing a mask in the store and they don't want to and they don't, Ignore them.
		Stay away from them.
		Don't go near them.
		It's the weirdest thing, because if you were worried about getting sick, why would you go up to the person and start yelling at them?
		You know what I mean?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, I'm not gonna read everything, but this lady is saying that, like, he won't take his mask off at all.
		When he's eating, she says he pulls it up to expose his mouth, quickly pulls it back down between bites.
		While he does not insist I do the same, I can tell it bothers him that I don't, especially because I have now started going maskless outside, per the CDC guidelines, and plan on restaurant dining inside soon for a girls' night out.
		She says, even during lovemaking.
		Is that what you call it?
		Like, I don't know.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what married people call it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying like when you got a guy who's wearing a mask so he can't, you know.
unidentified		No, you saw the naked gun when they had to use protection when they had sex.
		Oh, yeah, yeah, the full body suit.
		That was love.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, these people have gone crazy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, there's no science behind it.
		We always hear, trust the science.
		And I think people forget that the mask was originally, if you're sick, to prevent the spread, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't.
unidentified		Oh.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Really?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Because in Asia... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		You're correct.
		You're correct.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yes.
		Because in Asia, that, like, for a long time, mask culture has been a thing.
		But it was never just everybody all the time.
		If you have a runny nose, you think you might be sick, you don't want to spread it, you put your mask on.
		And then...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was gonna say, at first, Fauci said, you don't need to be walking around with masks.
unidentified		Maybe it protects a droplet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's how, you know, that's Fauci, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he flip-flopped.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And then everyone needs to wear masks all the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it was really funny because conservatives in the beginning were the ones wearing masks.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah, I remember that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There was one point I was in L.A.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		and I had the N95 mask, and those are, it protects you from breathing things in, filters it, but then when you breathe out, it just breathes out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So it doesn't protect you from the droplets of Fauci.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't protect others.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Others.
		But that was the whole point of masks.
		But people didn't know and didn't care because they would just see me and they'd be like, oh, he's got a mask on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they then banned them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And, like, neck gaiters and all that stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But, man, is it... But it was like the psychology of it was more important than what they were actually doing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what I noticed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just gotta say, you know, I remember when this first was going down, like when everything was starting, and I had a bunch of people on the right messaging me like, get masks now, you're gonna want to wear them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then this weird thing started to happen where it started to flip.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Reversal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just like, yo, that's hardcore tribalism.
		People were like, wear masks.
		Then they were like, conservatives all of a sudden decided not to wear them.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's tribalism.
		I think it's just being contrary.
		I think that's all there is to it, good or bad.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's tribalism.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You think it's tribal?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the conservatives were anti-establishment and wanted to be contrarian.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they decided, and all of a sudden they were going to defy the orders.
		When Fauci was saying, don't, they were like, you're crazy!
		And they went and bought masks.
		And then once it switched, and all of a sudden like Trump didn't wear a mask, I guess, all of a sudden everyone's like, bah!
		It's just the weirdest thing.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think it's interesting to see how this has unfolded with the evolving knowledge we've had about COVID.
		Because I remember when stuff first started happening, I didn't go out because I was scared.
		You know, my dad's immunocompromised and things like that.
		And we were getting crazy footage out of Wuhan, like people like Collapsing in the streets.
		It was insane.
		But then what's weird is that as we found out more about how COVID spreads and about how lethal it was and things like that, um, you know, for a lot of people, I think that would have been reason to kind of ease up like, Oh, okay.
		It's not as bad as we were thinking.
		We didn't know, but now we actually have numbers in, but for a lot of people, it was the inverse.
		They actually got more panicked and that's because the media was reporting on it more, even though all the data we were coming in was good news for us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's, it's widely tribalist.
		I mean, we, we heard from David Hogg.
		He was like, okay, the CDC says if you're vaccinated, you can take your mask off, but then people think I'm a conservative.
		So that's it.
		It's, it's virtue signaling because they're the, the, the culture war tribes are so distinct now.
		There's, there's people who are terrified of being viewed as a member of the other tribe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		CNN really has a hand in causing the fear, too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Veritas uncovered that guy explaining that we would put the COVID death numbers on the screen intentionally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gangbusters.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It got good reviews.
		It got good views.
		It got clicks.
		It got good, what do you call it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ratings.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it got good ratings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To scare people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said it was gangbusters for the ratings.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gangbusters.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Have them, have them, you know, if it bleeds, it bleeds.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The death count.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was, these people are like the brave dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They were scaring people on purpose for ratings.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And now we're seeing the lash.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does that work?
		Does that work?
		You like scaring people?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it works.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it worked for them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It gets ratings, but it actually destroys society in the process.
		So like, is that working?
		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, so, so I could say something like, oh, Viewers, there's vampires!
		Oh no!
		And there's zombies and werewolves, they're everywhere!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you gotta be careful.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what Orson Welles... If they get scared now, because people are scared of vampires, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So our ratings are gonna go up now?
unidentified		It's possible.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They'll share the video.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		If you have connections to government and you're able to actually hype up government with your own reporters going up to, let's say, Saki and saying, like, what are you doing about the vampire menace?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I'll just do it.
unidentified		I'm Dr. Fauci and vampires are really bad, so wear your neck gators because they'll bite your neck.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think in the 20s War of the Worlds, Orson Welles, he had a radio show with his theater group and they did this radio show called War of the Worlds where they were like, I don't know.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that's an urban legend.
		And then people thought it was real.
		So I've heard that some people were killing themselves because they were so they thought
		it was the end of the world.
		But people were like going out in the street and like looking up in the sky for the aliens
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		and urban legend.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
unidentified		I don't know how to confirm it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what is real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Israel.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Uh-oh, look at the chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A guy and a woman who are about to get... Are they married or whatever?
unidentified		Yeah, they're married.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, husband and wife.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, married.
		They're on the verge of divorce because he won't take his mask off during sex.
		And so the lady actually tells her, like, the prudence or whatever responds with, like, take him to therapy.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then if he doesn't respond, like, leave him.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		What are you supposed to do?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's creepy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, but that's not anything to do with actual COVID.
		COVID is not the problem here.
		There's something underlying that.
		And I think it's so true for all these other authoritarians who are crazy and obsessive about this.
		It's not really about the pandemic, because the numbers don't support it.
		I think it's a form of social control.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's media derangement syndrome, but you know what I find fascinating is that it's a sorting algorithm, essentially, right?
		So there are free-thinking, independent people who believe in personal responsibility.
		These people have politics that vary from economic left to economic right.
		So you'll get someone who's like, you know, a disaffected liberal, intellectual dark web, a moderate or a
		conservative.
		But then you have people who just don't know, don't care, don't want to know, and don't want to care.
		These are the kind of stories that are shuffling them into two different groups.
		One group is a bunch of mindless drones who believe insane things.
		Trump is a Russian agent.
		And then the other group are people who are challenging the establishment.
		Now, don't get me wrong, you got fringe, you know, right-wing people, Q and whatever stuff.
		But that's the minority.
		That's not a large faction.
		And the easiest way to understand it is, The prominent conservative voices, or the prominent anti-woke or anti-establishment voices, are not fringe.
		Like, they're not crazy.
		They're rational.
		They're fairly moderate.
		On the left, the prominent voices are fringe, wacko conspiracy theorists, like Rachel Maddow claiming that Russia was going to shut the fuck up.
		What if Russia shuts the power off to Fargo in the middle of the winter?
		What are we gonna do?
		And, you know, Donald Trump, Russia, and then they had the guy, Jonathan Shane on MSNBC, who was like, Donald Trump may be a Russian asset going back as far as the 80s.
		That's the mainstream institutionalized left.
		What's the worst that you get in the Republican Party?
		The Republican leadership, it's an oxymoron.
		They're just like milk toast.
		Mitch McConnell's like, well, I'll be a speed bump for the Democrats.
		And then you get, what, Marjorie Taylor Greene?
		That's the worst the Republicans can muster?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Essentially.
		And what's frustrating is that it there's no long term memory or heck even short term term memory when it comes to defining what is and what is not a conspiracy.
		There is.
		I mean, we saw this with the vaccine COVID Wuhan lab thing.
		You know, we have screenshots of the media just ripping apart Trump for saying that it could have come from a lab.
		And now it's like, oh, yeah, maybe it did.
		And it's it's funny how quickly that narrative changes.
		And it's based on who's saying it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fauci.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fauci comes out and he says he's not entirely convinced that COVID was naturally occurring.
		And now all of a sudden, all of these stories are being just flipped.
		Think about how insane that is, because I'll tell you.
		Headlines change because they realize they were wrong.
		That means every link that used the headline now has the incorrect headline.
		That doesn't change.
		You go on Reddit and look up the archives, look up the rankings, and you'll see a story that says Trump pushes debunked conspiracy.
		You click it, and then it says, you know, update.
		This is actually, you know, like actually maybe.
		Yeah.
		So you look at Wikipedia.
		How many articles exist right now on Wikipedia that say things and use those stories as references that have now been changed?
		See, the Wikipedia editors aren't going to go back to a bunch of these articles, some which may be obscure, and change all them.
		So there you go.
		The whole system is fried from this insanity.
		And I don't know, I don't know what it is.
		I can tell you that we used to have journalists that, I guess, competed with each other, but now they all walk in lockstep.
		And it's all about social acceptance.
		So you could find, or I'll put it this way, a good journalist is always researching conspiracy theories.
		Because they hear a crazy story.
		Did you hear about a government politician who, you know, was doing this and that?
		And imagine, you know, you go back to the Watergate.
		Imagine if someone came out and was like, Richard Nixon is doing this, that, and whatever.
		Oh, that's a conspiracy theory.
		Oh, you're nuts.
		I'm not going to bother investigating that.
		Could you imagine if that's how journalism was back then?
		At least they did something about it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't really investigate things anymore.
		I mean, one of the only investigative journalists is James O'Keefe.
		Now it seems like journalists just go on Twitter, retweet each other, talk to each other, and there's no actual, like, first-hand probing or investigating unless it's, like, you know, doxing some grandma who voted for Trump in 2016 because of the Russian Facebook ads.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Going to her house.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then James O'Keefe is the one who gets banned because, you know, he does something similar.
		It's interesting about Veritas because I think I think James is very obviously conservative, but it's clear that the things he's active about are much more about honesty in journalism and in corporations, because he's not doing stories, for the most part, that are benefiting some kind of Republican agenda in terms of taxes or pro-life.
		It's usually like, we caught someone lying.
		We got Facebook's manipulating.
		It does benefit conservatives, because conservatives are getting censored, for sure.
		Maybe that's just where conservatives are at right now.
		But you look at Vox and the New York Times, and they want a political agenda.
		They want a hard outcome.
		They specifically want what the Democrat wants, or they're just willing to say whatever they have to say to fit in with Democrats.
		I think it has a lot to do with social media.
		I think it has a lot to do with urban centers monopolizing journalism, basically.
		So the people who work at the New York Times want to fit in.
		So what do they do?
		Sitting down at the bar and they're in the back of their Brooklyn, you know, speakeasy, whatever.
		And then one person says something and the other person just says, whatever you say, tell me what to say and I'll say it because I want to fit in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The fitting in thing is disturbing.
		It does suck to not fit in.
		Especially, I mean, ostracization could lead to death back in the ancient world if you're thrown out of the city.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And unemployment nowadays, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And being cancelled off the internet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty rough, but still, you know, falling in line to a corrupt system seems way more dangerous than losing
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		access to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would rather sleep in a bin, in a dumpster, than live on my knees for these people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you got to at some point.
		Why?
		You know, I did that with the entertainment industry in Hollywood.
		It was so gross.
		I could have been easily a millionaire.
		I was making good money working commercials in L.A.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about the absolute insanity that is the policies being pushed by these Democratic politicians, how they keep making things worse, but people just are scared of not fitting in.
		So it's absolute mob mentality, right?
		You get the story of lynchings, you get the story of people marching with pitchforks and torches, they get wrapped up in the mob and they just do what the mob does, and this is no different.
		Twitter, for instance, is a constant mob.
		It is all mob mentality.
		It's people piling on so people join in because they want to fit in and they're scared.
		So what ends up happening?
		New York City, right?
		It's horrible.
		Horrifying.
		We have a story.
		Homelessness, mental illness, crime is skyrocketing.
		Locals and tourists believe the town has lost its essence.
		Some of these photos I don't even know if I can show you because New York is bad.
		Like there's a woman laying, a mentally ill homeless man is seen laying in the street blocking traffic in Times Square.
		You look at Venice.
		I mean, this is brutal.
		Imagine after watching all of this.
		Imagine after watching what happened in Portland with, you know, constant riots, firebombs.
		Venice Boardwalk crime increases. Imagine after watching all of this. Imagine after watching what
		happened in Portland with, you know, constant riots, firebombs.
		People are like, well, you know, but I don't want people to think I'm a Trump supporter.
		So I'll vote for the Democrat again.
unidentified		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And I think what's really shocking is that a lot of the people who are in these areas, these urban areas like New York, they've been there for so long.
		They think it's normal.
		I remember last time I was in L.A., I was talking to someone who was from L.A.
		and she asked, like, so are you going to be moving down here?
		And I said, I don't think I could, frankly.
		She's like, oh, really?
unidentified		Why not?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I was like, well, there's you know, there's a lot of poverty.
		There's a lot of crime, a lot of homelessness.
		And she was like, what, really?
		And it's like, Yeah.
		And even just recently, I was in New York with Sean, Actual Justice Warrior, and you know, he was driving us through the city and you know, we were asking him, so is this a good area?
		Is this a good area?
		And I remember like, we would be driving somewhere and he was like, yeah, yeah, this is a really nice area.
		And like Liam and I would, my husband would like look at each other and back like, it does not look like Like a nice area.
		And that's just, I think a lot of people are desensitized to, you know, seeing stuff.
		Like we saw a drug deal on the side of the street.
		Biggest rat I've ever seen in my life.
		But that's normal for them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So for these people who have been living... No offense.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, a little bit of offense.
unidentified		That's fine.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's not good, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For these people who have been living in these cities for the past year, they're frogs boiling.
		They don't realize the temperature is escalating.
		Just every day another homeless tent, every day another crime, a mugging, and now they're
		used to it.
		And I know this from experience, because, you know, living in Chicago, I remember when
		I leave Chicago, I'm like, wow, like, you know, carjackings and shootings are like a
		rare thing, huh?
		It's like, well, not when you're in Chicago.
		It's like every once a month or at least you hear gunshots going out and you hear a story about a murder, 800 murders per year.
		So you're getting a couple murders per day.
		That's living life.
		So when you live there, you're desensitized to all this.
		So the people who are living in New York, and there's crime, and there's escalating mental illness and problems,
		and benefits are worse, the train service is worse, it's just normal.
		Every day they add one more grain of sand to that heap, and eventually the city's trash, and people just live in it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		L.A., though, people are noticing.
		My friends in L.A.
		are posting about it.
		I'm like, dude, you'll see under the underpass, there's just like tents, tents, way, way more.
		I was there in 2010.
		I was in Venice.
		I lived in Navy and Pacific right on the beach, like a block from the beach.
		And they had passed legislation right around that time that they could no longer camp overnight in the parking lot.
		They were like all bringing their RVs in and just living there in the parking lot.
		So eventually they had to leave and come back.
		Still pretty rare.
		And it was to the point where, like, if you wanted to park on 5th Street in Venice and then walk to the beach, you're better off parking in front of, like, some homeless tents because they'll be like, hey!
		And they'll watch your car for you.
		And you come back and they're super cool.
		But, you know, like anything, if it gets overpopulated, it can become very, very dangerous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's two things are happening, right?
		We got a bunch of Republicans, they're all gloating.
		They're like, you know that, you know that gif of, uh, who is it?
		It's the, what is it?
		The Godfather or whatever?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where they're like all laughing and smoking.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the Godfather.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so that's the Republican governors right now.
		So we have this story.
		Red state governors tell Hannity Town Hall how harsh lockdowns in liberal states have turned Democrat voters into Republicans who have fled and are now boosting their economies.
unidentified		Cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats I think I can only imagine wanting to destroy their cities.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's hard to imagine people who are in these cities and who see everything getting worse, like, you know, the economy, crime and all that stuff.
		And these places that have been in under the same control for decades, if not generations.
		And if you look at the state of things now, who do you have to blame?
		Right?
		I mean, it's been the same people in power.
		So if you're one of those residents and you're still voting for those same people, I mean, I've got a question, like, why?
unidentified		Right?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's insanity, just doing the same thing, keeping the same party, same people in power and expecting it to be different.
		I kind of like, I forget who it was, maybe Kanye when it was talking about like, Blexit and voting for Trump.
		It's like, what do you have to lose by trying something different if you're in one of those situations where, you know, like Baltimore or Detroit, you've kind of been sold out and just completely forgotten about why not at least try to change stuff up?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Democracy doesn't work, does it?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You know my thoughts on this.
		What are your thoughts?
		My thoughts are, I prefer individual liberty over democracy.
		And they're not always in opposition to each other, but they are not synonymous like I think, you know, Democrats often paint them as being.
		And I do, you know, service guarantees citizenship.
		I think there's better metrics of measuring the effectiveness and fairness of government rather than everybody gets a say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so the Democratic Party is literally becoming the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party is literally becoming the Republican Party.
		It's a bit simplistic right now, but Republicans like Republicanism, where you have states and you have these jurisdictions and you can live in your state and have your rights protected and the federal government provides for the common defense and things like that.
		And then you have the Democratic Party, which wants everyone to vote all the time, no matter how old you are, and then just get a majority rule on things.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The, uh, ancient Greeks had two parties, primarily the democracy party and the oligarchy party.
		And, uh, it seems like we might still have that with the Democrats and the Republicans, although they're both a little more like it's all funneling through a Republic now.
		There is no like mob rule, but we still have like the Democrats and the oligarchs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's all mob rule.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have the Republic in the Senate, basically, is supposed to, like, be a stopgap to the mob rule and say... Yeah, and that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That does... The Democrats complain about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're like, why do 16% of the population have 50% of the say or whatever?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they talk about the Senate and the Electoral College not being Democratic as if that's a fault rather than the point.
		Of the system.
		Yeah, they say like, did you know this?
		It's like, yeah, that's why it was created that way.
		It's to temper mob rule.
		And, you know, just the idea, they talk about things like they'll have polls like, this many people think it's unacceptable to have hate speech, yet it's allowed.
		Or, you know, this many people think we should have socialist policies.
		Like, I don't care what, how many other people support taking away my rights.
		They're my rights.
		You can't just take them away no matter how many people are in favor of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what the guns are for.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they don't understand that either.
		You know what it is?
		It really is a sorting algorithm where you've got people who just don't know and don't care and the people who do.
		That's really it.
		They think they know and care.
		But if that were true, they'd actually, I don't know, like fact check some of the things they read, but they don't.
		Conservatives do.
		Conservatives constantly are reading other sources.
		And it's not perfect.
		They're not always correct.
		But as I mentioned fairly often, There's that one study, I think it was Pew, Republicans get around a third of their news from liberal sources because they're comparing and contrasting.
		Liberals don't.
		I think the Jonathan Haidt's research on moral foundations plays into this as well.
		The left liberals only care about care and fairness.
		They only have two moral foundations.
		Republicans have six.
		Initially it was five, now there's six.
		So libertarians have one.
		No, it's true.
unidentified		It's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have one.
		Liberty.
		That's it.
		It's amazing.
		So you can take these tests and they tell you if you're a liberal, conservative, or libertarian.
		Libertarians don't care about anything so long as it's liberty-based.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So there's like some really creepy questions in these tests, but Republicans tend to have every moral foundation, which includes purity, loyalty, authority, care, fairness, and liberty.
		Did I say liberty?
unidentified		Liberty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a six.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the left is only care and fairness.
		What ends up happening then is you go to someone and say, hey, I propose this policy, and the only thing the left cares about is, is it fair or caring about someone?
		That's why you see Democrats literally be like, it's racist, it's racist, it's racist.
		Because that strikes at care and fairness.
		It's not fair.
		Racism is not fair.
		Family?
		And then you go to conservatives and they care about loyalty, supporting those who supported
		you, back the blue.
		Authority, you know, also back the blue.
		Purity is, you know, purity is an interesting- Family?
		Yeah, like family and maintaining, you know, tradition and things like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is my problem with fairness, this idea of fairness.
		If there's two people, and you have one sandwich, what's fair?
		You split it in half and give each person half.
		What if one of those people is super hungry, the other one's totally full?
		What's fair?
		You still split it in half and give them each?
		And this guy can't even eat it, so he throws it away?
		Or do you give the entire sandwich to the hungry person?
		And then you have to make that judgment call of what's fair, and you have to believe that they're telling the truth, that they're actually hungry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, it's simple.
		You take the sandwich for yourself and you kill both.
		That's communism.
unidentified		And communism is the most fair, right?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And that's a great point when it also comes to things like wealth redistribution, like the communism.
		Is it fair, and I think the answer is no, but is it fair that someone who works all day gets the same amount of money as someone who didn't work at all?
		Is that fair?
		I would say no.
		And there's this sense of like, Almost equity that they equate with fairness and they equate that with justice.
		But I don't think that's fairness at all.
		I think we have different definitions of what's fair.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Except like when it's in a family and it's like a young kid that can't work and then the parent does all the work and provides equal for everybody.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But I think there are people who are communists and socialists who sees who see everybody who isn't willing to work or incapable as as a child.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And we even saw that as like one of the drafts of the Green New Deal that even people who did not want to work would be provided for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the philosophical question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, if you saw a beautiful, rare butterfly flapping around doing its thing, and then it got stuck in a spider's web, would you free it?
unidentified		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's not really my place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Would you free it?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't like bugs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if it's a butterfly, it dies.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the trash, take care of the trash.
unidentified		I wouldn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spiders gotta eat.
		Yeah, that's true.
		Who do I condemn, the spider or the butterfly?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you were caught in a big spider web, I would for you.
unidentified		Right, because we... Unless it was like a Lord of the Rings thing in which case it's like... I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but you can use the, what is it, the light of... The last light of the elves or whatever.
		There you go.
		And then you'd scare the spider away.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'd cut it away and I'd scream, pull you down and carry you off on my shoulder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting.
		So I went out and I gathered a bunch of cicadas, right?
		Cause they're everywhere.
		And I just, like in 10 minutes I had 40 of them and I just dumped them in the chicken city and the chickens just run up and start just mashing their faces into them and they're eating them like crazy.
		And I thought about like how brutal it was that these things spend their lives, 17 years, 17 years of their lives growing and getting ready to just get that chance to reproduce.
		And I took that away from them.
		I do think, however, I'm helping, because the smart cicadas, when I got close, would fly away, and the dumb ones would just go.
unidentified		That's evolution.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're contributing to the gene pool.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of scary, because then you're contributing to some sort of, like, super cicada race.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It means that the next round of cicadas will avoid people.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I know, but maybe avoid them to the point where you can't hear them.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That would be nice, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they're too loud.
		Anyway, the point is, this is an important philosophical question, because a lot of people who only care about care and fairness would be like, oh, you've got to free the butterfly, because butterflies are pretty and spiders are gross and nasty, ew, icky.
		So it's a very childish way of looking at things.
		Sure, I mean, spiders, I actually like spiders way better than butterflies.
		Almost super official.
		I would catch the butterfly and throw it in the spider's mouth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It seems like superficial, like this idea of fairness.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously if someone's starving, it's not superficial.
unidentified		But it kinda is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not, obviously, because when it comes to a human's life and a human's death, that's not superficial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's stop for a second.
		Ian, you mentioned the sandwich thing, right?
		Alright, so one person's starving and one person's not starving.
		Why is the person starving?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what if the person's starving because he's been sleeping all day, and he doesn't work, and he's a misanthrope, and the other guy who's not starving made the sandwich, and he's not starving because he makes sandwiches?
		And then what, you take it away from him and give to somebody who's not contributing?
		This is a big challenge we face because, as you mentioned, Ian, you would save me from the giant spider web.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bless your heart.
		However, there's big questions about that because humans obviously want to save humans because we're all humans.
		We care about each other.
		But then our natural tendency to save each other results in people who are a drain on the system being saved.
		It's really interesting.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's almost dysgenics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was talking to, I can't remember who it was, it might have been Daniel, about chickens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think he was mentioning that the roosters kill the baby roosters.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's the expert.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was saying like, they cull the weak.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If the rooster sees a weak chick, it'll just mutilate it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That metal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, super metal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, because the idea is, it's trying to make sure that the flock stays strong.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		We don't do that anymore.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		We coddle the weak.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anymore?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, like, yes.
		Well, look at Sparta, war.
		I mean, just in general, we didn't have the social systems to take care of people the way that we did.
		I mean, also, we didn't have the medicine.
		So it's like, you know, Darwinism.
		If you screwed up, you were going to die.
		But now medicine and technology and society in general has advanced to the point where we are able to keep the people who would have been killed off long ago just around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Idiocracy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you guys have seen Idiocracy, right?
unidentified		Yes.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Only parts of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Mike Judge, genius.
		It's where, they state in the beginning of the movie, it used to be the strongest would survive, but because of human technology, now those who reproduced the most were being rewarded by evolution.
		And I think what he missed in that, sort of, I mean, obviously the idea is that stupid people reproduce more than the smarter people.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Which is true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what he missed also was, just in general, people with a variety of ailments and weaknesses.
		And, you know, I mean no disrespect, because, I mean, people want to live, you know what I mean?
		I get that.
		We're humans, we care about each other.
		So that's a very important philosophical question that gets it into very dangerous territory.
		But I think so long as you maintain libertarian values and just say, look, I'll do my thing, you do yours, we're probably better off.
		But there's a very deep philosophical question there.
		If you see somebody who is like, their leg is broken, and there's like a wolf running towards them, do you say, oh, well, you know, the strong must survive, or do you help save the person?
		If the person's got like a genetic deformity in their leg and a wolf is running, do you say, oh, well, the strong survive, or do you save the person?
		Humans, I think, and this is good, default towards saving people.
		And it's unfortunate for us because in the long term, it's, it's, we'll probably have a negative impact to a certain degree.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it's not just that.
		It is, like you were saying about idiocracy, the fact that not only are we trying to save everybody, but it's almost like the people who are the smartest and who would have potentially the most to contribute, they tend toward nihilism nowadays because of, you know, economy, politics, lack of...
		Spirituality, whatever, and they're less likely to reproduce.
		So then that is dysgenic.
		It's like if you look at women, the more educated a woman is, the less likely she is to have children and the fewer children she is.
		So it's not looking great for the long-term survival of our species.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I think what ends up happening is you're going to get people who are very powerful, wealthy industrialists who are going to use their influence and power to say, you know what?
		We're going to intervene and we're going to force humans to do something.
		I mean, you look at how we treat hogs and deer when they get overpopulated.
		Humans have no problem getting in a helicopter with some high powered rifles and then hunting down those hogs.
		Like that's, they do this legit crazy.
		When there's like an overpopulation of feral hogs, they go and they cull them.
		They do the same thing with deer.
		We have deer season for a reason.
		Too many of them.
		And then we get turkey season.
		Too many of them.
		Humans.
		Nobody culls humans.
		Except for other humans in war.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I don't want to go down a whole rabbit hole, but there are people who think that, you know, there are a lot of abortion providers who go to places specifically like Africa and, you know, not just birth control, but actual abortions.
		I mean, there's an argument to be made that is in a way, especially if you ascribe to the pro-life mentality, that is a form of calling it.
		You're saying there's too many of you.
		You can't survive.
		You're breeding at too fast a rate.
		We need to nip this in the bud.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's creepy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There's no real... I don't... I think humans... And it's not just in, like, developing countries.
		You could make the same argument that, like, the majority of abortion providers are in, you know, lower-income neighborhoods.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In minority areas.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		In minority areas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's creepy.
		It's creepy.
		This conversation's, like, so... It's impossible, and I think humans are just screwed, basically.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What you said was one of the most interesting things I've heard in a long time, is that The weak used to die off young and so the strong would breed and our evolution was strong and now the weak are kept around with medicine and are breeding.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And so our species is potentially seeing that side effect now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that results in fascism.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In all sorts of crazy deformities within our race.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It results in strong men, authoritarian, fascistic leaders who are like, I'm going to kill these people.
		And that's the creepy thing.
		I think that's why space travel is probably our best approach.
		We as humans, we can't tolerate the idea of just deciding who gets to live or die by some person's choice because an individual will never be smart enough to understand.
		You know, a decentralized network is infinitely better, but through technology, more people are surviving, even people who normally wouldn't.
		What do we do?
		I think space travel, space colonization, rapid acceleration of technology is probably the best approach, because we certainly want to do everything to stop fascists.
		But this is a real philosophical challenge, and you'll get the scary thing is, People who don't care about technology, many of these leftists who are saying space travel is a waste of time, bring the money back to Earth, because they don't realize the money was spent here in the first place, because they're not literally shipping money to Mars.
		Like, when you hire someone to build a spaceship, you pay them on Earth, and then they go and work and they buy food.
		Anyway, I digress.
		These people are ideologically driven, and it's creepy.
		Like when Greta Thunberg... I think, genuinely, she is a tool of an authoritarian, fascistic ideology.
		Because she said she wanted to shut down fossil fuels NOW.
		Which would result, I think, in like 60 million deaths in a few weeks.
		No joke, because starvation and all diabetics would immediately die.
		If we lost access to refrigeration and electricity overnight because of shutting down of coal power plants, hundreds of, like, I don't know how many diabetics there are, but they need insulin to be refrigerated.
		We had the power go out the other day.
		Refrigerator's gone, like food spoils.
		Just like that.
		And so we set the generator up, we have the batteries, and we're hoping to keep our refrigerator going.
		Heaven forbid you actually rely on that like diabetics do.
		So when Greta Thunberg comes out, it's really fascinating.
		She's this big climate change activist.
		A lot of these climate change people are very much apocalyptic.
		We've got nine years to solve this problem.
		Think about how scary that is, what they're really saying.
		There are too many people, they are using too much, and we have nine years to figure it out.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Or else what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so what's the what?
		And then they talk about a great reset, changing capitalism.
		Well, for one thing, I think it's kind of great that people are adopting van life,
		like millennials are hopping in vans and cruising and enjoying life more and just chilling.
		People for too long were getting their happiness out of things.
		Nah, man, you want to sit on the beach with a dog and look at the stars.
		That's that's the way to do it.
		And that's better for the planet and everything.
		But then when you hear, you know, you hear these people like Greta Thunberg,
		And it's not just her, you know, AOC getting rid of fossil fuels.
		Shutting it all down.
		Like, that would kill a lot of people very quickly.
		Now, maybe they don't realize that.
		But somebody certainly does.
		And they're getting their talking points from somewhere.
		Maybe it's a natural emergence.
		We see the crisis in environmentalism from insect die-offs to dead zones in the ocean.
		To, you know, massive droughts.
		Whatever you want to call it.
		And then people react and say we must do something.
		What they're proposing doing would kill a lot of people.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, it definitely is, and I think there are people that are okay with it, and there are people that think it might actually be a good thing, but I think a lot of the people who are making those decisions are assuming that they will be in the class or group of people who will be saved and who will be in power controlling everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever watch that show, Sliders?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You've seen Sliders?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, only a couple times, though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I loved it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I've never even heard of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's awesome.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're like time-traveled, or dimensions have shifted, or something.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That might be why I avoid time-travel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not time-travel.
		It's from the 90s, and it's Jerry O'Connell's in it.
		Yeah.
		And he invents a... Well, he doesn't really invent it.
		Alternate reality guy helps him solve it, but he ends up inventing this portal gun that opens up portal to other dimensions So the show is like for the most part they go to a different earth and things are slightly different There was one where they go to this they go to this version of earth and And the ATM machines will give you whatever, however much money you want.
		Just prints, like, you can walk up to an ATM, and it'll be like, pick your number.
		And so, they're like, you know, excited, and they're getting thousands of dollars, like, this is, this is crazy, what is this place?
		And they're spending money, and as they do it, people keep saying, like, you're so amazing, thank you so much.
		And they're just like, sure, like, whatever.
		And they're spending this money, because what it really was, was every dollar was a lottery ticket for your execution.
		So, in this episode, like, the world was, they kept the population number down by giving you the choice to pull money out of an ATM, unlimited, but the more you pulled, the more likely you were to get executed.
		And they celebrated it.
		So it's like, you won the lottery!
		And they're like, oh!
		And then they were like, thank you so much for what you're doing.
		And then... Wow.
		Yup.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Wow, dystopian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cool show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Show kind of went off the rails.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of dark.
unidentified		What happened to it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, it just got weird.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I loved it, but it was not on a time slot I could watch.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's awesome!
unidentified		That's terrifying, but kind of an awesome way to look at money.
unidentified		Talk about frugality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a fan of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess the thing is, you get a choice.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		We're not a fan of death lotteries?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, not a fan.
unidentified		Not a fan of printing massive amounts of money and hoping that we all survive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're in trouble though, I think so.
		I mean, some people say that overpopulation won't happen, that we're not overpopulated and there will be an equilibrium, a natural equilibrium would occur, like the Black Plague.
		Well, that's the real equilibrium that high population density will result in some kind of plague or something.
		I mean, we just saw COVID.
		But we've also got this technology.
		You know, we prevent these things from happening.
		We have defeated much of the threats against us.
		So what's going to happen is humans are going to keep just expanding.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But the technology also has created ways for us to destroy ourselves in mass dose, like we saw in Hiroshima.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Or even just things like obesity.
		As we've become more prosperous, we're actually now eating ourselves to death in large numbers.
		And you see that in now China.
		You never used to see fat people in mainland China, but now there's a growing middle class and with that prosperity comes chubby little children.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So we're creating a plague which is called obesity.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Through our prosperity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So is the Great Reset a good thing?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Because the people who are controlling it are doing it with nefarious purposes.
		So I'm not against the idea of a societal reset, so to speak, a changing of the paradigm or whatever.
		I agree with Michael Malice, national divorce, some people would call that a reset.
		But, you know, when we talk about the whole build back better UN agenda, whatever, if you're into Alex Jones.
		I mean, that's referring to a specific number and group of people with a specific agenda.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Great Reset is real.
		The World Economic Forum has proposed it.
		They're very woke.
		The Davos Group wants these things to happen.
		These people are very much concerned about climate change, and very much so they want people to stop consuming, to eat the bugs, and to live in vans.
		So this is the interesting thing about the Great Reset.
		I see a lot of people say, I will not eat the bugs, I will not live in the pod.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I'll eat the bugs, I won't live in the pod.
		Yeah, there you go.
		I'm okay with the bugs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll eat the bugs and live in the pod.
unidentified		I'm you know choose the pod I Right pod choice. Yeah
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I mean I think about like I'd love to just have like a tiny house like by a river or go fishing and
		just you know be responsible for myself and And I have no issue with eating bugs other than they have to be farmed properly and not really parasites.
		So don't eat bugs off the ground.
		The media telling people to eat bugs, that's the craziest thing.
		We bought cricket powder.
		That's the Minds blinking they're about to shut off because they're not plugged in.
unidentified		Yeah, let me see if I can do it you guys Thanks, New York.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		All right, so this is now the Lauren Chen show.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		She's taking over Okay, Lauren, if you had to eat a bug, what would your favorite bug be?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It would be something crunchy.
		I've thought about this before because I used to watch, you guys know Bear Grylls right?
		He's that adventure guy.
		Huge fan of his and I've watched a lot of shows and I feel like you you want to go crunchy not slimy.
		It stopped beeping.
		And I also don't get why so many people when they do like bug eating challenges or they talk about it they don't cook the bug.
		I would cook the bug.
		Like just treat it like regular food.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Cook it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Clean it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Prepare it.
unidentified		How would you cook it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What would you add?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in China and like Thailand, they do like a deep fry thing with bugs.
		My dad, he's had like deep fried silkworms.
		And I mean, that's like a slimy thing, so I still wouldn't want to do it.
		But I feel like you could make bugs palatable.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got cricket powder.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tim just got a bunch of it, actually.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I'd try it, I'd try it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna make some bread with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna make cricket bread.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna be a mix, because there's not enough powder to make a big five-cup loaf.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there's no gluten in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just gritty, ground-up crickets.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Add the gluten, make it sticky, yeah, it's gonna be good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we have the high-gluten flour, so we'll just do a little bit, maybe help bond or something.
		You can make cookies really easily, because you don't need a lot of... Cricket cookies.
		Yeah, there's a bunch of recipes for that.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I tried like a gluten-free muffin one time and it was like a dandelion like you know you blow and it just like crumbles in the air.
unidentified		Yeah, no gluten.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You want the gluten.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		If you can have it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got no problem eating bugs.
		I just think when I see the media it's really creepy when all of these news outlets pop up with the same story like Go eat the cicadas and it's like, no, no, no, no.
		Did you guys see the story about the dude who ate the slug and then got paralyzed and then died?
		No, no rugby player.
		Oh, don't eat bugs off the ground, man.
		It's like, if you want to, people are like, you can't eat.
		There's an article from NBC.
		It said, don't hug you and kiss your chickens.
		And I'm like, yeah, no, duh.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		But it's okay to eat the cicadas?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the craziest thing.
		They're like, if you hug and kiss your chickens, you could get salmonella or whatever.
		And I'm like, dude, we have chickens.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will pet them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I go and I wash.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I think the issue is a lot of people conflate nature with safe and healthy.
		Which, if you've spent any number, like, amount of time in nature, you know it's not the case.
unidentified		It's the opposite.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, I mean, I think people live in this idea where like, yeah, you can just, like, go into the forest, eat whatever, drink from a stream, and it's like, no, you can't do that.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You will die very quickly if you try.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the weirdest thing.
		There's a lot of contradictory things I see in the culture war, right?
		You would think the conservatives would be the ones saying to eat the bugs and live in the pods.
		You know why?
		It's, like, heartier.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Hardcore survivalist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's tougher.
		It's more self-reliant.
		It's stronger.
		Like, the way I look at it, eating bugs, I'm like, dude, I'll do what I have to do to survive.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
		I would do well in the apocalypse.
		I'll eat anything.
		I'm scrappy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Grass.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure we can.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't eat grass.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta boil it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Season it, drink the tea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of wasted energy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've been down this road, Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's go down it again, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can boil grass.
		There's some stuff in it, but a human will not get enough energy out of it.
		If you have to, you can maybe make some kind of tea.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It would be like a supplement, yeah.
		It's the same with rabbits, I think.
		There's not enough fat on them, so it's like the sailors.
		They would know, okay, well, we need some fat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shouldn't conservatives be the ones who are like, if I had to, I will live in a pod?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not like a government-mandated pod they shove you in, but like, you build your own hut in the middle of the woods.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing.
		I think a lot of conservatives do have the equivalent of bug-out pods, and they probably do have, like, the MREs, which are, you know, survival food, which maybe has bug in it.
		Probably.
unidentified		Probably.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But I think the idea is that, like, they don't think it's necessary, and there are these Big government people who are telling you to live in a pod so they can live in excess, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a meme.
		It's really funny They were like it's a liberal saying we've got ten years until climate change destroys the world and the conservative says So what are you doing about it?
		And they're like getting an arts degree living in a big city and not preparing and trying to get guns banned Yeah, it's like you certainly don't think the end is nigh you're saying that I don't know if I believe you that's that's the funniest thing it's like I'm sorry, I would never take the bet if there was a
		liberal and a conservative and it was like, okay We're gonna put them both in the woods who survives I'm
		like Every every hour of the day every day of the week. I'm
		betting on the conservative to survive Yeah, even if it's like a 55 year old big pot-bellied, you
		know old conservative guy with Confederate flag shirt I bet I still think he's gonna win that guy's gonna know
		how to grow possum man You get the occasional guy's gonna write a book out of barkers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm the occasional hippie that eats like grubs That doesn't eat very much and it's super skinny. That guy's
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		usually pretty liberal come from like eating seeds. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it doesn't need much energy to survive. So to
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		be fair the leftists will, the average leftist will probably starve because they're
		just going to try and take food from each other.
		A certain sect of libertarian leftists will do just fine because they're probably just
		sitting, you know, playing their guitar like stoned anyway and they're sharing, just eating
		what they can, eating grubs and bugs.
		Then the conservatives are, you know, chopping down the trees and-
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well I think a big difference between who would and would not survive that also intersects
		politically is urban versus rural.
		And that's a big divide politically.
		Urban people tend to be overwhelmingly leftists.
		And I mean, you can tell in their policies, if you look at how they are concerned for things like overpopulation and climate change.
		And just pollution in general.
		I'm not saying that those aren't concerns, but I think just looking at the environments that they live in, cities that are dirty and overcrowded, if you go to the country, I think you're much more likely to feel like you are kind of living closer to nature.
		And you're just frankly more likely to have those survival skills.
		I mean, you have city people who probably, I don't know, have never been camping, never made a fire by themselves.
		Of course, if the shiz hit the fan, they wouldn't survive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That is fascinating to think that the people that live in cities are obsessed with climate change because they're breathing in brake dust and carbon monoxide.
unidentified		They're causing it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And they're affected by it.
		Like people in the country aren't affected by it.
unidentified		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So they don't think about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The pollution in some of these Chinese cities, it's just it's nuts where they're like the big TV screen that looks like sunlight because it's all smog.
		Los Angeles smog problem.
		San Francisco has a smog.
		No, they have a poop problem.
		The people who live in these areas are like, look at all these problems.
		Like, bro, stop living in a concrete cubicle in a city that's covered in poop.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean it's the same thing with their concerns about things like wealth inequality and stuff like that.
		The people who are most concerned with wealth inequality come from LA and New York and that's because they are living in the places with the millionaires and the homeless people.
		If you go to the rest of the country, not to say there aren't still rich and poor people, but it's a lot more equitable.
		It's just these people in these like urban coastal centers, they think their little bubble is representative of the entire country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Peaceful divorce.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We can, all of these cities should be free and independent, and they can form an archipelago alliance.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well actually, so one of my friends, he was saying that he's from California, he doesn't want to give up California, but so his solution was not like full secession, but it's like there can be like little city-state protectorates within the greater America, and they can have, like they could pay for utilities and like national defense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'd collapse in two seconds.
		Yeah, because they survive off stealing resources.
		I shouldn't say only exists, but mostly exists because they're getting the Colorado River water.
		And if at any point their jurisdictions to the east of LA, they could just be like, nope, shut it off.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, city-states seem to fall apart with the invention of gunpowder.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know exactly when they started fading away, but I mean, the Vatican, I think, still is a city-state.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, even you have the UAE, the United Arab Emirates, with like Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm not super well-versed on how they're doing, but I think in essence they operate similarly to that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It used to be walls would protect the giant citadel and you couldn't get in, but then gunpowder, you could break down the walls.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Then, of course, air power.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, fun fact, Quebec City in Canada is like the only walled city in North America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like walled?
unidentified		It's walled.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But not the entire city.
unidentified		I mean, at one point it used to be.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it is all still up, but we went there for my birthday a couple of years ago.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wall Street in New York was a big giant wall back in the day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I want to go back to this point about, you know, climate change and survival and stuff, because when I think about... We just talked a lot about liberals not being able to survive the wilderness, which is mostly the truth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's probably some liberals who, you know, know what they're doing, I guess.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you see Naked and Afraid?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a show where they take two people, get them naked, and then drop them in the woods.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no!
unidentified		Really?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And you get the occasional liberal dude that just doesn't eat very much.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard people talk about shows like that and they've put vegans on and they end up having to eat a bug or something just because it's easy, it's fast, you need the protein.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see that one show where they have two islands, one with only men and one with only women?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the women start fighting with each other and they can't get anything done.
		One expedition group gets lost and starts panicking because they can't find their way back.
		And then like meanwhile on the dude island, they have like their own bar is already built and they're like distilling
		alcohol and coconuts.
		And then the women come to the men's islands saying like, give us stuff and give us resources.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's like, I have this evolutionary theory that is backed up by nothing.
		Just my opinion.
		But have you noticed that women don't work well together generally?
		There's like the whole queen bee Lydia probably knows.
		Yeah, I work in nursing.
		Yeah, and I think the reason why that is is because men have an evolutionary drive to work together for things like hunting but if you look at traditionally like back way back before we had like societies women did not really have much incentive to partner with other women right because your your child rearing was usually your own family members other females you wouldn't share those responsibilities with females who weren't related to you whereas if you were a man you would go hunting with all the other village men it's not the same for women
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
		Yeah, so the woman was looking towards the man who was going to kill the bear and, you know, bring the food back.
		And the man was looking for people who could partner with him to go and bring the food back.
unidentified		Right.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And actually, evolutionary speaking, if you're a woman, you do have an incentive to view all other women as competitors for your man and his chunk of bear meat.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I agree, but from my understanding, women tend to be more bisexual than men because they had to cooperate with other women because of polygamy.
		You'd have more than one wife, so you needed to cooperate with other women.
		So I don't know, you could go either way on that one, but you're probably right.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Like I said, this is not based on science, like at all, just my opinion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's weird how that manifests in modern politics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it reminds me of people have mentioned the rat utopia experiment, I think it was, or was it mouse utopia?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they created a utopia where the mice were free to just do whatever they want.
		They had unlimited food and, you know, but a finite space.
		And then eventually they reached this population maximum where they stopped reproducing.
		They started becoming more, you know, homosexual or like atypical.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So like San Francisco?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe these things are emerging in society because we've reached the epitome of wealth and survival.
		If you think about it, there were reactions to deviations from social norms that were very severe, like women who worked were witches and did meth because women needed to have babies, otherwise you were on the verge of collapse.
		Now we have so much That we don't need everybody to be having families, technically.
		Like, humanity's not going to go extinct because people aren't having babies.
		In fact, it's the other way around.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Or even within your own family, you no longer need to have seven in the hopes that like three or four make it to adulthood.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You can pretty much be guaranteed that they're all going to survive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So now there's no threat to society for deviations of social norms, so people stopped caring.
		And this is another point I've heard.
		I don't know to the extent of which it's factually correct.
		Ask a historian.
		When I was reading about the end of slavery, notably in the UK, it started there because of industrialization.
		It wasn't this great moral awakening of these European countries.
		You didn't need it.
		It was actually cheaper to get the machine to do it.
		And so then all of a sudden they were like people stopped supporting it because it wasn't benefiting them as much
		anymore and as the Support faded. They just said okay. We're done with it
		I think the UK just paid like they paid the people who had slaves as okay
		We're done in the US though It was very different because it's a very very large
		country Trying to enforce laws across the whole country in the
		northern areas that were industrializing. They were like nobody really needs it anymore
		So then they start voting against it.
		In the southern states, where it was less developed, they were demanding the right to keep slaves.
		So the point I'm trying to make is, don't give people credit for having a great moral awakening.
		It was just, as soon as it doesn't benefit people anymore, then all of a sudden they're willing to let go because there's better paths towards wealth.
		It's kind of creepy if you think about it, the way humans are.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, but also we were talking about democracy and like now that we bring up slavery, that is one of the other reasons why I don't think democracy is a good way to judge a society's morality.
		I mean, if you look at where most of society's moral compass would have been during the slavery era, most people were white, most people were fine with it.
		Does that mean that it was therefore moral for people to keep slaves?
		I mean, right?
		Because they were the minority and everyone else thought it was fine.
		No, it does not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not cool.
		But it's so many different cultures have functioned in basically the same way.
		It's like a human universal.
		I think people, I'm fairly, I don't want to say I'm optimistic or pessimistic.
		I'm very nihilistic or neutral when it comes to trusting human's intentions.
		I think people are very self-interested.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they can have empathy, but I think, like, learning about that, that's one of the biggest drivers of ending slavery was just, they were making money doing other things, so it was not caring, it was a lack of caring.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All of a sudden they weren't threatened to lose their slaves, and they were making money doing other things, so they just said, I don't care, whatever, do whatever you want.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it was probably a risk to hold slaves, you know, if you could have a machine that did it for you, or you could have slaves that might end up murdering you or running away and Causing violence so there's less of a threat, you know
		analogy the humans change evolution as a result of necessity for the most part
		Not because it's morally just it's just how it's pretty much been throughout the ages. Well, I mean interesting
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		addition to this conversation that could also apply to automation now, right if
		I mean it's the same thing with your cashier that you see at the checkout of a grocery store or at a restaurant.
		That's why a lot of people are saying, just like maybe they did slavery industrialization, it's cheaper to automate.
		So now you no longer have a lot of those like hourly workers.
		You just have your little self-service scan thing or kiosk where you put in the order.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, nobody wants to work.
		But it's more than just the kiosks.
		It's a lot of other... The big problem there is we're not talking about forced labor.
		We're talking about parts of the economy that are being automated, and then people don't have work, can't get money.
		This, I think, is one of the reasons we see the rise of socialists.
		This problem emerges where people, through no real fault of their own... There's a lot of people who don't want to work.
		It's their fault.
		There's a lot of people who got automated out of the workplace.
		And then what do they get told?
		Learn to code.
		Not automated, or even just technology displaced them.
		And they get told, learn to code.
		Ain't gonna work.
		So what do you do?
		Well, we can't just be Luddites and be like, okay, we're banning technology because people need jobs.
		That's stupid.
		It's supposed to make things easier.
		But here's the problem.
		If we start giving these people money, like UBI, what do you tell the farmer?
		Who has to work?
		Well, the people who live in the cities, it's this way right now.
		People in New York, well at least before the pandemic, working for media companies are getting paid $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 to write garbage trash articles about nonsense.
		Meanwhile, people are getting paid minimum wage to pick fruit on a farm.
		So how does that make sense?
		By the left's own standard, they should not be getting that level of pay for what they do.
		That's gonna be a big problem when we start, when we create UBI.
		Or if Andrew Yang gets his way in New York City and tries doing some kind of UBI.
		You mean you're gonna have someone who lives in New York City, of all places, one of the wealthiest places on the planet, getting free money to buy the apples that I pick for dirt wages?
		I'll just move to New York City.
		Get free money.
		Why bother?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't like the job economy thing.
		The Federal Reserve's obsessed with creating job, creating employment for everyone.
		They want you to dig a hole and they want you to fill the hole back up and then they're going to loan you money for it and then expect you to pay them back with interest.
		So they keep everyone busy.
		And you can see as we're automating that that doesn't work.
		People don't have things to do and creating, you know, random things that don't benefit society doesn't solve that problem.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we saw a lot of that kind of rhetoric from Joe Biden's recent like joint session speech, the State of the Union, which we're not calling the State of the Union.
		But anyway, the idea that, yeah, the government will just make jobs for people to have jobs.
		But I think the whole problem ultimately is that labor is and is not A commodity, right?
		It's a commodity in that it responds to supply and demand, but it's not a commodity in the, you know, if you have too many widgets sitting on the shelves, you just stop producing widgets for a while and then eventually you'll sell the ones that were overstocked.
		That's not true with labor.
		You have unemployment.
		People get restless.
		They need to be fed and things like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they riot.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And they riot.
		So I think the problem why this automation is happening at the rate it is, it's a people are campaigning for high minimum wages.
		Which just makes automation cheaper.
		And then B, you also have an immigration system that is welcoming in low skilled workers who are competing for jobs that really the people who have those jobs are already in an extremely vulnerable position.
		So it's just a bad, a bad situation all around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we just need, you know, an individual of intelligence and merit to just rise up naturally and gain power through the competitive system.
		Maybe somebody who understands, like, computers, because of, like, you know, someone who's, like, a computer developer of some sort.
		Like Bill Gates.
		And then he can start deciding what's best for us.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like a technocrat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like a technocrat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding, by the way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe like a dictator.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like an artificial intell... No, no, more like Bill Gates.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did I say that already?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Like Bill Gates.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's not a doctor, but he's got a lot of medical advice for us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do we need, like, an A.I.
		that don't... I don't want an A.I.
		government, but I would like an A.I.
		advisor for our government.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, but the thing is, an A.I.
		advisor would be, I think, completely utilitarian.
		We would not, as human beings, be comfortable with what they recommend, or what it recommends.
		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'd be like, Hello, Ian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You must die today, because it will save three children.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, maybe we could have like 90, uh, artificial intelligence advisors.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is one of the biggest challenges with self-driving cars.
		Someone has to program in the car.
		If you're driving in your car and an old lady walks out in front of you, the car has to choose.
		Do I crash the car, killing the driver or hit the old lady?
		Someone's got to program that.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And those are deep philosophical questions that I think even as humans, we don't understand and we need to have debates about, which we aren't really doing right now.
		We're kind of just like cooking the can down the road, but I don't expect a machine to do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you were driving in the car, I was like, Ian, will you die to save her?
		As you're like heading, you're like, ah!
		I don't have time to think about that!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of Catholic AI?
		Could you imagine like so you mentioned that AI would be utilitarian.
		But I think it's the only thing it possibly could be.
		How could there be an AI that was deontological in that it would say Catholic AI.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But no but but imagine it's like it has to save everybody but it's not possible.
		So it's like, imagine you're in this scenario where the car is driving, and the old lady... Let's say something happens through... It's a no-fault scenario.
		No one is at fault.
		Just... Something happens.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Avalanche.
unidentified		No, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's gotta be two people that... One person's gonna... It's a zero-sum game where one person lives, one person dies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The AI, if it was deontological, it could not commit an immoral act against any individual.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So it would recognize, one person's gonna die no matter what, I don't know which one, but you have- So you have to let both die in that case, because otherwise you'd be making a choice that would lead to someone else's death.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess it would let the five people die on the trolley.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Instead of the one, the utilitarian would let the one person die.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I would let the one person die.
		And it's like my, my husband, he's Catholic and he studies philosophy.
		And he often tells me that I'm too utilitarian because he is, you know, deontological like that.
		Whereas I'm, I'm, I like to think of it as pragmatism.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the difference between deontological and utilitarian?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, so this is where Liam would come in handy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And it's funny because he's explained this to me so many times, but I tend to tune out when he talks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's all oversimplified for you.
		Spock is a utilitarian and Captain America is a deontologist.
		It's very simple.
		Spock said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
		Captain America says we don't trade lives.
unidentified		Right.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		deontologicals more like?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The idea that an immoral act against an individual, like you are barred from
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The ends do not justify the means, I guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which the bad guys tend to be utilitarian, I guess in the instance of Spock he wasn't,
		but that's, I'm not a fan of utilitarianism.
		It's where like, there's, the problem with it is that you start,
		it's very much like the equity argument.
		You start trying to decide what about someone is worth more than something else.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, not to bring up the Avengers, but that's why Thanos was in favor of the Infinity Stones just randomly selecting half the people because he believed the world was over, or the universe was overpopulated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What an idiot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was really dumb.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the book made him better.
		He was trying to please a woman.
		Did you read the comic?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was trying to please death.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mistress Death.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he wanted her to love him.
unidentified		That's worse.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The movie thing is more poignant.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		The movie is updated.
		It was originally.
		Yeah, he's utilitarian.
		He says, kill half of the universe to protect the other half.
		But, and then what?
		A few generations, you're back to where you started?
		It's a terrible idea.
		And someone, I saw someone else, there's a meme where they're like, why didn't he just double the amount of resources by snapping his fingers?
unidentified		Yeah, because he's a bad guy.
unidentified		Good question.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because he was trying to, because he wanted a woman, mistress death.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's my issue with the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
		You know, the equity thing, right?
		They say, oh, this person is more deserving than that person for this reason.
		You mentioned it with the sandwich.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The child's view, the child who has no experience, no wisdom, sees a hungry person and a well-fed person and says, give the sandwich to the hungry person.
		And what the wise person says is, well, hold on.
		Why is this person starving?
		And why is this person well-fed?
		Who made the sandwich?
		There's a lot more questions than just, I'm going to give it to you.
		So when it comes to utilitarianism, Here's the version of the trolley problem I have.
		You know the trolley problem.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right, there's a trolley going down a track and you have the switch and you have to decide if it's gonna go down a track and kill one person or go to this track and kill five or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a trolley heading down a track with five people on it.
		It will hit and kill all five people.
		You can pull a lever to switch the track with only one person on it.
		The act of switching the lever condemns the one person who was safe to begin with.
		Would you kill that one person by your choice who was safe to save five people?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So the darker side of me says, who is that person?
		But, and who are the other five?
		But I mean, just philosophically speaking, I would.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now here's the bigger question.
		There's a bunch of iterations of the trolley problem.
		Let's try it.
		Ian, what would you do?
		Would you let the trolley kill the five people, or would you choose to kill the person who lives?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If I had a split-second decision, I would kill one instead of five.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would have to make a decision.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that means that one person who would have normally lived, you are choosing to kill them to save those five.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now let's say the one person has the cure for cancer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
		And you know it.
		And you know it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I'd kill the five.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You'd let the five die.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See, that's where things become problematic with utilitarianism.
		You... Now let's play another game.
		The five people are critical race theorists, and the one person is Jordan Peterson.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love Jordan Peterson.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying the five have the cancer and the one has the cure.
unidentified		Basically, yeah.
unidentified		No, no!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is, there's five prominent critical race theorists, and one prominent, you know, anti-woke.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I can't answer this without people calling me a murderous extremist, though, because of... And the crazy thing, this is what the government does.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is their job.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's to decide who lives, who dies, who gets the money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's take it out of American politics.
		It's, uh, there's five supporters of Vladimir Putin.
		And no, this doesn't, this doesn't work.
		Uh, yeah, wait, wait, hold on.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		Five supporters of Vladimir Putin and one opposition activist who's prominent.
unidentified		Save the one you'd save the one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue is, now... You're making moral judgments over whose life is... Based on your subjective view of what is right and what is wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem with utilitarianism.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And they'll do like, there's, you know, they'll say like, I don't like saying black and white people, but let's just, for whatever reason, there's ten black people that, and by the numbers say that they make less money, so...
		But then there's five white people and the numbers say they make more money.
		So where are we going to send the money?
		We're going to send it to these ten black people.
		But you find out later, these ten black people make way more money than these five white people.
		They were just going by the numbers in the book and making these brand utilitarian decisions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or they were going by capital gains and not by hours worked.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, I understand the criticism that you through utilitarianism, you're necessarily like putting your moral values onto the situation.
		But I guess like in business, they say even making no decision is making a decision.
		So I my response to that would be that it's impossible from like an ontological perspective to avoid that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Most people... I think most people say they wouldn't pull the lever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They would ignore it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They don't want anything to do with it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because you are choosing... So right now, the five people on the track, they're in that circumstance having nothing to do with you.
		If you intervene, you make the choice to kill someone.
		So most people say, I wouldn't get involved.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But it's essentially whether the ends justify the means.
		Like, in the scenario, if you kill someone, Essentially, you make the choice to pull that lever.
		It does end with five people being alive versus five people being dead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you both said you'd pull the lever to save the five, right?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if it's five 80-year-olds and one baby?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I pull the lever.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Or sorry, like I kill the 80-year-olds.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't pull the lever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know that circumstance.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You let them die.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's the problem with utilitarianism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You have a personal subjective moral view on who should live or die.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And it's sometimes, I don't think that's a problem of utilitarianism versus just an
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		aspect of any philosophical grounding.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like, it's based on, um, what, what do they call it?
		When like you get, you get the numbers of how many people live in this demographics.
		It's based on like demographic, you know, book numbers in a book.
		Like they don't know who needs what, but they're giving it to people based on what they read.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I guess like my, my view of utilitarianism is that you are accepting the fact that losses or deaths will happen.
		And then you approach the problem in order to minimize the losses and maximize the gain.
		So I approach it almost like business.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You guys have seen all the memes that have popped up about the trolley problem?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My favorite one is it's one single track with a ton of people just getting crushed.
unidentified		Yeah, I've seen that lately.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it says, you can stop the trolley at any time, but it would cause a loss of corporate profits.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, people are getting run over.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's funny because there's corporations that function that way.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Like that Monsters, Inc.
		meme, like, I'd let a thousand children die before I let this company burn.
		Or go under, whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So these are the tough questions we're getting into now with technology, AI, with the Great Reset, with climate change.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		With healthcare even.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		If you're especially Canadian or coming from the NHS system, there are calls that need to be made and there's limited resources to go around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I love how these leftists tweet that there's no such thing as scarcity.
		There was a story about some kid in, like, Alabama or something.
		He needed gene therapy that would cure his disease, and it was like a million dollars.
		And the state was like, we can't pay that, sorry.
		And then people were complaining, like, you have to pay it, otherwise he dies, like, you have no choice.
		And they were like, it's a million dollars.
		And they're like, what's the value of a life?
		And it's like, yeah, but we don't have it.
		Like, we could tax everybody, I guess.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the cost of a human life?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um, there's actual numbers you can look up in terms of how the market values human life.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like $180,000 or something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is what it's worth or what it costs?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, based on the organs that could be sold or something.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		That's a tough number to figure out, because what could they contribute to society?
		What are they going to take away from society?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I mean, like, life insurance proves that not everybody's life is worth the same, because not everyone's going to get the same payout if they die.
		Also, I watch a lot of, like, murder crimes.
		Like, don't get life insurance if you're on rocky grounds with your spouse.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's just what I'm going to say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you're fighting with your wife and she says she wants to sign you a new life insurance policy... Just, yeah, be skeptical.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, the whole issue of scarcity is when, like you were saying, the left does not understand, and I think that's the reason why we have so many of these economic questions regarding things like minimum wage, regarding healthcare, is that they don't want to accept that scarcity is a real thing.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Even regarding, like, the housing situation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I, you know, the, the oil and gas industry and the copper industry has been holding us back from fusion generation and like atomic printing and like a land of less scarcity, if not total, you know, dissolution of scarcity.
		But, and I think the critical theorists see that.
		And so they, they're acting as if they've already won.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It applies to everything.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's not yet.
		So, so there's massive scarcity right now.
		It's severely difficult to get materials into the middle of the desert right now.
		Maybe that'll change one day, but... You know what's really crazy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just like, because you mentioned the desert.
		Las Vegas is being terraformed.
		Or reclaimed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I heard that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they're bringing grass in.
		And then here's the craziest thing.
		You know what's changing the landscape of Las Vegas more than anything else?
		Human beings going to the bathroom.
unidentified		Huh.
unidentified		Huh.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Fertilizer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They fly on planes and they have water in their systems and they land and they deposit water.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They bring food in with them and they bring in more water than they take out.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's really crazy.
		I was reading about it and they said food is the biggest contributor to the reclamation of Las Vegas as well as grass.
		They're shipping in water, they're planting grass, the grass helps retain moisture and they're turning a desert into That's interesting because I think they're trying something along China's border as well with the Gobi Desert to prevent desertification.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They're planting almost like a green wall or something to try to provide a barrier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're doing that in the southern Sahara.
		They planted all these trees to stop the desert from spreading.
		We got to start just doing those projects.
		It's like, we want to go to Mars and stuff.
		That's cool, too.
		But let's also, like, reclaim all these deserts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that Sahara sand is ocean sand.
		They find seashells and stuff.
		It seems like it's from the Great Flood.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's why there's so much oil.
		It's because you have all the microorganisms that kind of... Oh, interesting.
		Yeah, that's why there's oil.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We could put it back in the ocean.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's something I want to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, the Sahara's massive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Just dig it on.
		Build drones that can just carry it into the ocean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like thousands of miles.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dump it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just all day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if they just dug a massive trench from the middle of the Sahara all the way to the western coast and just let the water flood it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like a river?
unidentified		Yeah, probably.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That'd be cool.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		New beachfront property.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's all saltwater, though.
		You can't really do anything with it.
		I don't think it's within the capabilities of human beings right now.
		I mean, no, it is, but not within the willpower.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That would be a great global human cause, is to fix the Sahara, re-greenify the Sahara, because it used to be like a jungle, like a forest with rivers and rain.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's the desert spreading.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's just destroying organic matter, and then water gets ripped out and can't be held.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's spreading it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it the wind?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it spreads the sand and stuff like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Makes it harder for plants to grow.
		And so, what's happening in Vegas is humans are rejecting it.
		Humans are, like, forcing stuff to go there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We're such a part of our ecosystem.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, I was thinking of the animals that eat the fruit, that carry it, and then they crap out the seeds over there, and then it plants the tree, and, like, we're like, that's us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Isn't soil just, like, dead stuff?
		Isn't dirt, like, outside just dead stuff?
		I think so.
		We just live on the cemeteries of all the billions of organisms that came before us.
		All that dirt?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I gotta find out because I've heard that before.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		What is dirt?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty sure it's like decayed organic matter.
		It just like rots there and then the plants grow out of it.
		Just the rotting corpses of the billions of animals and bacteria and plants.
		And we're walking on top of it.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see it.
unidentified		What is it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is dirt dead organic matter?
		Dirt is dead.
		It has none of the minerals, nutrients, or living organisms found in soil.
		It is not an organized ecosystem.
		There is no topsoil or hummus or worms.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, look up soil.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dirt is dead and does not... Okay, I'll look up... What is soil?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, like, dirt's different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dirt's like the gritty stuff on the sidewalk, you know what I mean?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Sand, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is soil dead organic?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, like, when you walk out into, like, the forest, all the ground is, like, that's, like, decaying organic matter, isn't it?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because when the trees fall, it just stays there and then it decays.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the well-decomposed organic matter in soil, the very dead, is called humus.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Humus.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Humus.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I'm learning new things today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like roasted garlic humus.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's a different kind of humus.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Some use the term humus to describe all soil organic matter, some use it to describe just the part you can't see without a microscope.
unidentified		Interesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, so maybe part of soil is humus?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are standing on a mass grave of life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we don't even realize, we don't even care.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's also what oil is.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's what's powering most things for us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yup.
		Yeah.
		What a crazy reality.
unidentified		I know.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Creepy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read some super chats!
		If you haven't already, please, my friends, you must smash that like button.
		But I'm going to start saying something more and more often.
		A lot of people say, like, what can we do?
		You know, we believe in the things you guys talk about.
		And we said yesterday with Jack, it really is sharing.
		I mean, it is.
		You can call it a shameless blog, like, make sure you share the show, but think about it.
		If people are only getting CNN, how do we beat CNN?
		I mean, their ratings on TV are down, but their ratings on YouTube are massive.
		If people choose to take this video and put it on their Facebooks, on their Twitters, it would be exponential.
		If every day, every single person who watched shared, it would be an exponential growth.
		It would be bigger than CNN overnight.
		It's really about your willingness to engage in that way.
		And maybe it's not my show, but Steven Crowder or Project Veritas, share all of it.
		And tell other people to share it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Or Lauren's show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is your show?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm shouting Crowder out.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, alright, thanks.
		You can find me on YouTube, Bitchute, Rumble, Odyssey, Lauren Chan, or at the Lauren Chan on Twitter or Instagram.
		I try to be the same username everywhere and on all platforms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm so into creating a community, or community in general, with the internet video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gotta share.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And work together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about it this way.
		The people who share CNN do it mindlessly.
		They see Don Lemon and they click and they post share.
		That's crazy to me.
unidentified		Flexive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How is it that CNN is able to muster up more shares on their content than the active people who are actually paying attention and want change to happen?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Probably name recognition?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's just because there's a lot of regular, normal people who just click the share on CNN and they're not paying attention.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's like, it is that name recognition.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's like, oh, CNN, news, share news.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bart Simpson was put in a remedial classroom and he said, we're supposed to catch up to them by going slower than they are?
		Yeah, so that means if we're on a treadmill and we're slowly moving backwards when we stand still, so we decide to just walk forward, we're staying where we are.
		Meanwhile, CNN's got that natural push.
		YouTube puts them on the front page.
		Regular people know CNN, they share it.
		CNN gets put in movies like Iron Man and stuff.
		That means we've got to be running on that treadmill.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, their treadmill's going slower, because the algorithm is sharing it more for them, so they don't have to run as hard as we do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we're on that path, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think CNN's not long for this business market.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, because you don't get as much of a workout.
		CNN's treadmill's not moving at all, man.
		They just stand there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, they get hundreds of millions of views per— YouTube, they're being propped up.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Haven't their views dipped, though, since Trump got out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Only on, probably yes on YouTube, but mostly it's TV ratings.
		On YouTube, it's like hundreds of millions of views.
		Hundreds of millions.
		Like four or five times what Crowder gets, you know, uh, six, you know, five or six times what we get.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The weird thing about YouTube news is I can't tell the difference of what's an NBC video, what's an MSNBC, what's a CNN.
		When I see the thumbnail, I don't know.
		I just see the face and the words and I click it or don't.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's annoying about YouTube, the way their news algorithm works, is that I know, at least in Canada, the authoritative sources are things like CBC and CTV, which no one watches.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You'll be on the front page and you'll see these stories and it'll be like, published five hours ago, 2,000 views, front page of YouTube.
		But it's like, OK, well, that that's definitely AstroTurf.
		Like, that's not organic.
		They're showing them favoritism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		CNN's main channel, just one of their channels, gets 141 million views in the past 30 days.
		They gain over 100,000 subscribers a month.
		We're competing with them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what their marketing budget is like for those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This Timcast marketing budget is, I think, close to zero.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Relatively zero.
unidentified		Organic, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We haven't, like, pumped $40 million a year into marketing or whatever the heck those companies do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The only commercial we've run so far is recently on Will of the People, the song.
		For no other reason than vanity.
		It's made to be listened to, so we'll promote it.
		So we're gonna start doing marketing for sure.
		We're gonna start doing more.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ben and culture daily wire.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They push tons, tons of marketing.
unidentified		Very good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that has a good return marketing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to start doing marketing for sure.
		We're not doing more right now.
		It's a social media organic growth, but that's why it's like, look, if there's
		one thing you can do, you can become a member at Tim cast.com.
		Because I'll tell you this, the money that we get from TimCast.com, when you become a member, and that $10 or that $25, whatever you give, goes into the account for us, it's going towards us hiring more people, doing more shows, and building more and more and more.
		So it's not just that you are buying a membership to get access to exclusives, you're actually buying the expansion of what we do.
		So if you like what we do, No, like we're not gonna be, I know this is gonna break your heart, Ian, we're not buying an infinity pool.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm sad, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are gonna get a hot tub.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, now I'm happy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's gonna be powered by Dogecoin mining.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've heard!
unidentified		Salt water hot tub?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, the plan was to get a bunch of GPUs and have them mine Dogecoin so it heats the water and then you get a hot tub.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I hear you can get an ozone hot tub.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The ozone cleans the water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to mine Dogecoin.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm into it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To the moon, baby!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The hot tub will be the cooling system.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the hot tub is the coolest system.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hey, also when you subscribe to this channel and Lauren's channel, click the bell button.
unidentified		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because then you'll get notified when the videos go live.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then go to the top URL bar, click Control C and then go to Instagram and Facebook and Twitter and wherever you can and just paste it.
unidentified		And call your mom if you haven't talked to her in a while.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read some Super Chats!
		Alright, Stupid Spin Videos says, What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?
		About six to twelve months.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, AMC hit, what, 28 bucks today?
unidentified		Did you see that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not following it, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I hear DeSandra keeps tweeting about it.
unidentified		She's pumped.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bought some AMC, like, literally a very, very small amount.
		Because I like going to the movies.
		And I thought that there's, like, I saw their stock and people were talking about it.
		I'm like, dude, their stock's gonna go up when the movies come back.
		Because they're doing a bunch of releases only in theaters soon.
		And I'm like, dude, I love going to the movies.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I miss it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like what like once a week every weekend It's like we let's go to the movies and we do and then we
		go out for pizza or something That was it. That was the night out and they got rid of it
		and it's not fun Just turn the TV on and watch an HBO Max or whatever. Yeah
		boring So we have like a big projector, but it's not the same
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You know you do.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You got some good popcorn there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm only satisfied when I spend $20 on a box of Sour Patch Kids.
		It's true.
		It's gotta be expensive.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		$10 soda.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I like when you go into the movie when it's light out, and then you come out and it's dark.
unidentified		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		My dad's, he's weird though.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		He puts snacks in my purse to sniff in.
unidentified		Oh, legit.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But he's Asian, so they get increasingly complex.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		He gave me sauteed squid once.
unidentified		Wait, what?
unidentified		Dad, why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, John Lee says, Hey Tim, I know you are busy with the other website and stuff, but I just want to ask, is the chicken stream going to be on the new website?
		And do I need to pay another membership for the new website?
		Timcast.com is, there's no, that's it.
		If you're a member of Timcast.com, you're good.
		All the content's going to be there.
		Chicken City is going to be a live YouTube channel and we're getting a chicken whisperer to come out to help us get it set up.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it's just, you know, we're going to have merch.
		So we have seven chickens now.
		We had six before, but we adopted Dorothy.
		She's older.
		And so there's going to be, she probably won't be part of the crew, but we're going to do merch.
		So there's going to be like a picture of, you know, like Vanessa, Margaret, Sarah, they all have names.
		And there'll be shirts designed based on each individual chicken.
		And then you can support those chickens by buying those shirts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We were trying to feed Team Vanessa.
		Dorothy saw Margaret.
		Oh, it was Margaret earlier?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because she wasn't eating cicadas.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		She wouldn't eat the cicadas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but me and the cat were sitting right next to the chicken, and the chicken was flipping out, so I think that was... I took Buck away, so I didn't feed her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whenever I throw in the cicadas, Margaret won't... She just looks at them and, like, pecks them a little, and, like, gets scared.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		She's not interested.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She used to be the biggest one, too.
		And then Dorothy, who's older than everyone, just one-shots all the cicadas, just like... It's like Homer eating donuts.
		So we gotta, like, push her back.
		Like, dude, you had 12 already.
		You're gonna get sick.
		Let the other chickens have a go at it, but we'll be getting it up soon.
		There's challenges in, like, we'll use GoPros because they're waterproof-ish, but they still have to be plugged in all the time.
		So we'll figure it out, but we'll try and get it set up.
		I think in this next weekend, I think we should be getting it set up.
		And it's going to be a 24-7 live stream.
		We need to hire a composer.
		We need someone who writes music so that we can get about a couple hours worth of lo-fi hip-hop beats to watch Chicken City 2 and then just have the stream going.
		All right, OMGPUPPY says, check out the UFO debunking videos on YouTube.
		David Falch shows some of them are IR images of aircraft.
		Thunderfoot has demonstrated some are birds and camera aperture artifacts.
		So what, you're saying the government is lying about aliens now?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
		Like, I feel like the government knows about stuff.
		Like, the military intelligence would probably have ways to check that?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I would think so, yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I would think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we got a two-parter here from Steven Valdez.
		Second, Tim, what is your advice concerning cryptocurrency?
		I don't have any advice for you.
		I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
		I love it.
		I think there's a common... Bitcoin, to me, is... Bitcoin is the only truly decentralized, you know, gold value system.
		Everything else is a company, you know, for the most part.
		The Dogecoin is kind of decentralized, but it's a lot weaker.
		It's alright.
		Bitcoin is truly decentralized, deflationary.
		No one can take it over.
		They can try, but there's people fighting, you know.
		Ethereum is basically like buying a resource that a company owns and controls, so.
		But I like cryptocurrency.
		I'm gonna be buying more of it.
		Steven says, Lauren, will we see an Asian president in our lifetime?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I would rather see a competent president, personally.
		That's where my interests lie more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying, yes, you want an Asian president?
unidentified		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't really care about stuff like that, though.
unidentified		Much more about Asia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		I think, you know, in our lifetimes?
		How old are you?
		I think so.
		I got a good 50, 60 years.
		Clay Chapman says, Tim, if we get a video to 100k likes, can we be rewarded with guest shoe on head?
		All right, here we go.
		Everyone listening right now.
		If we can reach 100,000 likes, And shoe on head chooses to come on the show.
		Or if just shoe on head chooses to come on the show, then we'll have shoe on head because
		she's already been invited and she just doesn't want to come on the show, I guess.
		So there you go.
		Get us to 100,000 likes anyway.
unidentified		Yeah, let's go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tristan Rosario says, Tim, I'm a conservative game designer.
		Shout out my game, Our Dilemma, available in early access on itch.io, where there's a link to my Patreon.
		I also sent you an email titled, Narrative Designer for FPS Game, where you can see my work.
		Right on.
unidentified		Cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't Need to Know says, you're being shadow banned.
		Didn't get notifications.
		Couldn't find it on my subscribed list.
		Had to go to your page to get it on here.
		Which means you should take the URL and share it with as many people as you can because this is, that's the point.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Also, had you clicked the bell button, I want to know.
		I know you just super chatted.
		It's hard.
		Apparently that's how you get the notifications.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, but I mean, it's, it's kind of a roll of the dice.
		I have notifications on for some channels, but sometimes I won't get them or I'll get them way later.
		Even if it's a live, I'll get them after they're already off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Getting them way later isn't always a bad thing, because they don't want to send it to literally every single person at the same time.
		Then you get less views, actually.
		So they delay it and stagger it.
		But the system's imperfect.
		I will say it's a free marketing system.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's free marketing.
		Look, so the people who are telling me this, you chose to come to this show, you know when it is, you know when it's live.
		Could you imagine if people's TVs automatically just popped up Tucker Carlson every day?
		They don't do that.
		You have to choose to watch Tucker.
		You have to choose to watch us.
		It is beneficial to us when YouTube recommends us, though.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Darun Albain says, Tim, buy the Tesla power backup.
		Store the external part till you get a new building up and just charge from the grid plus propane generator.
		If the propane generator is only for the battery charging, you will not need three to four of them.
		You can only get them with solar panels.
		But the good news is we are getting solar.
		We were trying to wait until we got a better roof because we're going to redo the garage.
		But at this point, with the power getting knocked out the other day.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll just get the batteries.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for that super chat, by the way.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fine Castle says, nothing makes my day like Tim having one of my favorite Canadians on.
		Love your content, Lauren.
		Speaking of Canadians, will you ever interview Tom McDonald?
		Tom has an open invite.
		I've spoken with him, but you know, he's a big shot, man.
		It's like, come on.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He's busy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a busy guy.
		He's super famous.
		I would be very, very grateful for him to come on this show, but you know, busy guy.
		Westside power sports see do parts says Tim you keep asking people to share this video, but Facebook has throttled my page so bad.
		I get little to no response despite having 2,000 plus friends I can't think I can thank them though.
		I now spend little to no time on Facebook.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know That same thing happened to me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm optimistic for that stuff, you know.
		So maybe we'll see what happens.
		Maybe we are on a good track.
		McDonald up church Adam Calhoun jelly roll struggle Jennings plus music via
		NFTs decentralization takes time yeah I'm optimistic for that stuff you know so
		maybe we'll see what happens maybe we are on a good a good track all right BC
		says Tim I think the letter written to slate is real I worked with a guy who intentionally dehydrated himself so he wouldn't have to leave his office to use the restroom during the workday.
unidentified		Whoa.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So I do this on road trips and while traveling.
		I have a tiny, why am I sharing this?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's different.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is good info.
unidentified		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
		Okay.
		Whatever.
		Um, I could believe that.
		That's not the same though as wearing a mask.
		No, that's not the same.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's different.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They call it water fasting.
unidentified		Weird.
unidentified		Or dry fasting is what they call it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, where were we?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that story about the guy that wears a master in sex is insane.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Does he not realize other bodily fluids are being exchanged?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Can you get sick that way though?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		They said originally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Mark Walton says, War of the Worlds broadcast really did scare a lot of people.
		My father has told me that my grandfather thought it was real.
		They had no way of knowing it was not a real news broadcast.
		He had no internet back then.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like Rachel Maddow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Just kidding, Rach.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you're right, actually.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But that's kind of funny because I've noticed there are a lot of like horror movies now that take place during the 80s or 90s and I think the sole reason is because cell phone and internet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Those two things pretty much nip most horror plots in the bud.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Jordan Fox says, Tim, can you make TimCast.com bumper stickers?
		I'll display it on my vehicle to help spread the word about your show.
		Keep up the great work.
unidentified		Yeah, we can.
unidentified		That's a good idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Polymer says, Tim, please do something with Freedom Tunes with your Fauci impersonation, having him spew all sorts of outlandish nonsense about vampires and zombies, et cetera.
		Seamus, are you listening?
		I will be Dr. Fauci for you for Freedom Tunes.
unidentified		A droplet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember that?
unidentified		He said, it might stop a droplet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Debbie McNasty says, I'm so glad we don't have an idiot in the White House anymore.
		JK, it's worse than ever.
		John Marafa says, question for Lauren.
		You said you saw the biggest rat ever in New York City.
		So when did you meet Bill de Blasio or was it Andrew Cuomo?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Although, I mean, to get the actual question, I think Cuomo is slimier than de Blasio.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Especially with the ladies, it seems.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Doobie McNasty says, could you imagine how different the political landscape would be if it were Tulsi versus Donald?
		I feel like it would still be kind of crazy, but the situation we're in right now makes me pull my hair out.
		WTAF is going on.
		A lot?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Too much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Garhunt says Lightfoot will lose the lawsuit.
		Do the interview and she will have to eat a river of detritus in the interim.
		She'll have her CRT views put in print and visible to all.
		She'll lose her election.
unidentified		Maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but she can do the interview and he'll be like, so you're pushing critical race theory at this level.
		Why are you doing that?
		I don't know.
		Next question.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, even interviews aside, campaign stuff aside, I've gotta think, like, if you're someone who's living in Chicago right now and you see everything that's happening, how could you vote for the same mayor at the next election?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That is weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a very important question.
		TheRealHydro says, Tim, when will your frontal lobe develop?
		I'm not sure.
		Hopefully soon.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're in a permanent flow state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I will say there's something tremendously scary if I don't have a frontal lobe and I've been able to be this successful and you haven't.
unidentified		Oh!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh snap!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got you!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Apparently that's how you go into flow is you quiet your frontal lobe.
unidentified		Jmax says my son is 8 and he has to help out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's not a free ride.
		My daughter too and she's 4.
		Too many worthless adults had parents that did everything for them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No allowance for chores that are expected either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You wanna make money?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spoilers.
		That's what they call it.
		JMaxx says, My son is 8 and he has to help out.
		It's not a free ride.
		My daughter too and she's 4.
		Too many worthless adults had parents that did everything for them.
		No allowance for chores that are expected either.
		You want to make money?
		You gotta do more than expected.
		You know what you do?
		You lock the fridge and you put prices on everything.
		Oh my God.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like a little quarter slot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		You just make them buy it.
		So it's like your kid's like, I want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
		You're like, all right, this costs 75 cents.
		What have you done to earn it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then all the chores can be worth certain amounts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the best part is it's really easy to teach socialism because then when one sibling doesn't work at all, you take their money away and give it to them and they start complaining about it and be like, don't vote for socialists.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Henry Vallis says, Tim and crew, please wish my beautiful wife Rachel a happy anniversary.
		We are huge fans and love you all.
		Also look into hemp-based building materials such as hempcrete, hemp wool, and hemp wood.
		Also hemp herd for chicken bedding.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Happy anniversary, guys.
unidentified		Happy anniversary, Rachel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		David Salter says, Tim, I love the show except when you say GIF.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Except the... I did want to point, it's GIF, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The inventor of it says GIF.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he was wrong.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's graphic.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It stands for graphic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The guy who invented it says it's GIF.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it graphic interface?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it means?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interchange format.
unidentified		Interchange format.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so you guys even know that and you're trying to tell me about it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do know that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's peanut butter.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we're in a time warp right now.
unidentified		Didn't this happen before?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've talked about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's GIF.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Tim's wrong, it's okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the guy who invented it said... Gif, isn't it?
unidentified		Gjif, isn't it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, he said it's Gif.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The guy who invented it said it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but Richard Stallman said it's GNU.
		His software GNU.
		It's GNU, like the animal GNU.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he invented it, so he's correct.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but GNU is pronounced GNU, not GNU.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He can call it whatever he wants.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he can invent a file format.
		That doesn't mean he invents the English language.
		He doesn't get to change the language.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Could you imagine people, like, being so dumb, they say something like, uh, a magick giant was casting a spell?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, no!
unidentified		Yeah!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Magick!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Now we're talking!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's magic.
		G-I-J, magic.
		Giant.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's not gross.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's gross.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it could be either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes there's a soft J and sometimes there's a soft G. I give up.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Let's go back to our super chat there.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joshua LeBlanc says, Lauren Chen is the jote.
unidentified		Oh, goat.
unidentified		He really did say goat, though.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He got you.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Geoffrey McCorbin says, Geoffrey to the G!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Question for Ian, what are your thoughts on sonoluminescence?
unidentified		Oh, that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh gosh, what is that?
		What is that?
		That is... I know it's obviously something that's glowing.
		That's the luminescent part.
		Is it sono with an N?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sonic?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sonoluminescence?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that when they use sound to make light?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is!
		You can vibrate a substrate and create light.
		In fact, you can create light out of the vacuum and then create electrons out of light.
		So you can basically create energy out of the vacuum.
unidentified		Crazy!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I learned about that.
unidentified		All right, let's see.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Terry, Teramoto Jr. says, think what we're seeing in society
		is a spiritual Great Depression.
		Lacking purpose and belonging, we cling to anything to make us feel good about ourselves
		no matter how delusional it might be.
		People need to learn how to meditate.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was just thinking that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We should take all these angry people and just like bring them to like an ancient yogi
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		atop a mountain and have him just like tell them what's up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you experience nothing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's best sometimes.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I tried the hippiest, most hipster thing the other day, but it ended up being great.
		It's this sound chair experience.
		So it's, you go on a chair and it, like, recline so it's almost the zero-g position and it vibrates in sync with like all these ocean sound stuff.
		So it's to help people meditate who can't shut off their minds.
		So it gives you something to focus on like just the sound and the vibrations and it's actually really cool and I'm too like all over the place to meditate by myself but it was amazing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How long did you do it for?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I did it for like 30 minutes, but it's weird because I remember like I couldn't get into it.
		And then I looked at the clock and I had like 25 minutes left.
		I was like, oh, it's going to take forever.
		And then two seconds later, I looked and I was done.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, what the heck?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Were you in like a trance?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. I mean, it's almost like I fell asleep, but I wasn't sleeping.
		It was cool. I'd never been able to, I guess, meditate successfully.
		It was cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These people think they can get me.
		They think I've learned.
		Don't you realize this?
		I'm going to read it anyway.
unidentified		Do it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dead Eye says, Tim, your ads on Spotify are jarring.
		They need to be smoother like Michael Knowles and his new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
		Michael Knowles turned his promo for his book into a meme.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's how you do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is going to sell so many books.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is the smartest thing ever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he is a very intelligent fellow.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Genius.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Luke Slivkoff says, awesome to see Lauren on the show.
		She was one of the first political podcasts that I listened to back when she was Roaming Millennial.
unidentified		Great show.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I remember messing up your name many times, Luke Slivkoff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where were you roaming to?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, it was because I had moved around so much previously.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I used to love Roaming Millennial.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that show got cancelled and replaced by the Lauren Chen show.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like John Lemon.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Upgrade.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that like what Lemon did?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he cancelled and I cancelled.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, you saw that?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Where he like tried to like fake quit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fake quit?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was the, what happened with Roaming Millennial?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you just decide one day to start using your own name?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, like, I essentially started doing, like, more in-person stuff and, like, doing more newsy stuff, and then it got weird trying to, like, explain what that is.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You like Black Pigeon Speaks?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and, like, I remember, like, I went on—the first time I was ever on, like, Fox & Friends, they, like, accidentally doxed me anyway.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Like, live on air.
unidentified		Whoopsie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is interesting.
		Paul Wallace says, it happens gradually and then suddenly.
		Hemingway's character was talking about bankruptcy, but it's true about many other things as well.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think we're definitely at the point in the societal crisis that any day really could be the switch where it goes full, you know, full bore.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Any kind of line graph.
		It looks like it's going up in a straight line, but if you zoom in, you'll see it's going like this.
		Up, down, up, down.
		But it's constantly going up slowly, but when you zoom out, it looks like a fluid upward pattern.
		We're close up on this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ten years ago, if you said to me that the country would collapse, I'd be like, no way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If someone came to me and said, it'll be next Tuesday, I'd be like, gradually and then suddenly.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm actually at a point now where I believe it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's scary.
		Amanda Dilt says, has anyone on the show read the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind?
		If not, please give it a read.
		It shows what happens when communism comes up against the free choice and how one person can make change.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
		Euphoric Break says, under the Great Reset, you will live in pods in smart cities under 24-7-365 surveillance.
		You will be lucky to get bugs in your diet of pills.
		Vans, you will be a serf living in a neo-feudalistic system with zero rights.
		You might.
unidentified		Not me!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm the special one.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It'll never happen to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		These people are like the people who get bit in zombie movies and don't tell anyone because they think they're the special one who's not gonna get sick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's the most annoying thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If I was in a zombie apocalypse and I got bit, I'd just be like, guys, sorry.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
unidentified		Yeah, of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a hard scene to watch.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I would try to cut off my arm first if it was bit on the arm.
unidentified		Yeah, totally.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just try it.
unidentified		I'd be like, argh!
unidentified		I'm not one of them!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's too late.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just not real life that you get bit and then like a few minutes you turn into a zombie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that rabies?
		How long does that take?
		A month.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It takes a while.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a month.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That would be a good zombie movie, though, or something with like a slower lead up time where it takes longer to fester.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there's like a minor virus that people get, and no one really cares about it, and then all of a sudden it's got like a second phase, and then people just start like... Like if you've ever played Plague Inc., you know you gotta put really high virility but low lethality to start off with.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then turn it up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then like once the movie ends, it like zooms out, and then it goes through a screen, and there's like a seven-year-old kid just like... That would be so great.
		Like Men in Black.
		Coldilocks says, The guy you had on yesterday or Tuesday was an idiot when it comes to WWII history.
		Britain, France, and America leaving Germany alone was not an option, then Germany attacked France first.
		Documents found post-war showed plans for a US mainland invasion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, France actually did invade Germany in 1939.
		They did a failed invasion.
		Didn't go very well for them.
		But, I mean, obviously, Germany.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jason Vreeman says, Ian, any idea what carbon footprint is caused by data mining and tracking bots?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can we save the planet by banning advertisers and data collection?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what amount of carbon footprint is made by that, but I tend to take the route of, rather than reduce the amount of carbon emissions, that we withdraw the carbon from the atmosphere and reuse it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Like carbon capture stuff?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Deposit it onto, like, palladium to create graphene and things like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have a really good question.
		Igloo King says, Tim, quote, you're not going to vote your way out of this.
		Why would a tyrant give you your freedoms back?
		They won't.
		The actual quote I said is, why would Oregon give up their serfs?
		So the people of Oregon voted they want to join Idaho.
		As far as I'm concerned, it's done.
		The people have rescinded their consent to Oregon and they want to go to Idaho.
		If Idaho approves, I say do it.
		But they're not going to.
		Oregon's not going to give up their serfs.
		Then he says, also, Tim, I do not condone violence and I do not call for people taking up arms.
		What to do?
		It's really easy.
		I've said it over and over and over again.
		We are in fourth and fifth generational warfare.
		You win by gaining control of institutions, by working there, by building culture, by sharing YouTube videos, so that the predominant view shifts in the culture, and then you don't win Back in the day, when there was no communication, war was, you marched in and demanded it.
		And if they didn't, then you had weapons.
		Today's day and age is, you convince people, you propagandize, you share information, and the left does all of that in spades.
		So how do you win?
		You don't storm the Capitol, because that's the biggest weapon.
		Most people not paying attention are shocked and scared by that.
		A lot of them probably don't care.
		But a lot of people view it as the apocalypse.
		You can see them propagandizing.
		That's how they win.
		And the cops aren't helping anybody.
		They're just doing what they're told.
		So you have to build culture and be peaceful, resourceful, and persuasive.
		And there you go.
		Jeff Ross says, would you consider having Donut Operator on the show?
		He's an ex-cop turned YouTuber that I think would be good content.
		And yes, absolutely.
unidentified		We would.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Standing invite.
unidentified		I'm telling you guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		DudeX01 says, Charles Hoskinson, founder of Cardano and ETH, said that he would come on Timcast if he was invited on Twitter today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was invited by Lydia on Twitter.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Twice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, several times.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to have him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lydia does all the booking.
		I do indeed.
		There you go.
		DJ Madero says, Star Trek DS9 episode in the pale moonlight best defines what a man will do if he believes the ends justify the means.
		It's a dangerous ideology, if you were to ask me.
		All right, Alexander Ali says, Captain America said we don't trade lives, but Vision and half the population died anyways.
		You can poke holes in either philosophy.
		Well, but that's only because he lost.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But I guess a utilitarian would argue that, I mean, trying to save everyone, like, refusing to acknowledge the fact that there will be losses and taking the initiative to minimize those losses will result in overall more people being hurt, regardless of how much you may try.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AC-130 says, Great King of the Hill episode about the trolley problem.
		Hank is left with a decision to open the floodgates or destroy other homes and is hated after.
		That's why people don't people just don't want to have the decision.
		Leave me out of it.
		I want to be responsible.
		People need to learn to be responsible, though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because making no decision is a decision.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good way of looking at it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Rush said.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll do a few more.
		Let's see.
		BL42JD.
		Cool hearing Ian say GNU.
		What distro do you use, Ian?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I currently don't.
		I use Windows.
		I've never used GNU.
		But I've studied a lot of Richard Stallman.
		I have a lot of respect for the guy.
		I'm sad that he went through the whole cancel culture thing.
		You know, I think his text was kind of...
		I don't know.
		Did you guys, are you familiar with Richard Stallman?
		What did he do?
		He built the GNU system, the free software, kind of created the free software movement.
		And then he wrote something about Epstein and like supporting people that went there.
		I don't know.
		And then MIT fired him.
		But it's unfortunate because he's kind of like the Yoda of computer code.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's a good, good one.
		OMG, just remembered.
		I was listening to you and my dad recognized your voice and said to me, is that the hat guy?
unidentified		It is the hat guy.
unidentified		That's me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kayla Sherard says, a modern trolley problem my professor posed is the algorithms in self-driving cars to prevent accidents.
		Would we avoid crashes by crashing into pedestrians?
		Might demographics come into play with time?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what people are already asserting with AI, that it is racist.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Apparently more black people have been run over or something.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not sure what they're saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mike Sullivan says, love Lauren's response about the trolley.
		Five cancers to society and one with the cure.
		Truly no malarkey.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, no malarkey is our podcast.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No malarkey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it Joe Biden fan podcast?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, there's no malarkey.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That would be a lot of malarkey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
		Much malarkey.
		Mucho malarkey.
		Spanish language anti-Biden podcast.
		No, pro-Biden.
		Sorry.
		Mucho malarkey.
unidentified		Mucho malarkey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Aaron Bortner says you guys should come to Gettysburg, PA area.
		Nice place.
		And Tim, if you come up that far, I'll take you to a nice cement skate park in York.
		Free.
unidentified		Cool.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We should, um, search for ghosts at Gettysburg.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		If you ever want to do a ghost hunting series, I just bought some EMF detectors.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cause we're going to be doing this paranormal show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I must stress there is no evidence or anything indicating EMF has anything to do with ghosts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It could be subatomic vibration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine, imagine like a dude in the 1800s, just like walking around with some kind of like magnifying glass, looking at things saying like, I'm going to use this device, which allows us to see smaller things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And like you'd by today's standards, you'd be like, what are you doing?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in like a hundred years, they're gonna look back and be like, these people were so dumb.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for ghosts.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean like infrared stuff.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They say cold spots or I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we can get night vision goggles.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That'd be cool.
		And then find ghosts.
		Alright, let's see.
		We'll do one more.
		We'll do two more.
		Ming-No Solomon says, Summer coming up, when will you be selling Fauci flip-flops?
		We won't, because I don't have the rights to his likeness.
		Get it though?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Flip-flop?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's good.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Flip-flops.
		Here's the last, we'll do one more.
		Deadeye says, Michael Knowles is smart with his marketing campaign, but don't forget about Michael Malice's new book, The Anarchist Handbook, available now.
		You guys, go buy those books.
		Make them number one on Amazon, so that when regular people go on Amazon, they see those books.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Cultural enforcement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
		What's Anarchist Handbook about?
		Are you guys familiar?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, other than anarchy, the obvious, but... It's about Michael Malice's handbook for anarchism.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So he's basically breaking down what is anarchy.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He goes through the history.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I guess I could ask him about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he talks about... What's her face?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Emma Goldman, is that her name?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And then that guy, that cute guy he was talking about on the show last time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's right.
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		Lauren, you want to shout out your show?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, so you can find me, like I said, YouTube, Odyssey, Rumble, Bitchute, Lauren Chen.
		On there, I host a weekly podcast with my friend Marie Oakes, who is also a journalist for the Westphalian Times.
		It is called No Malarkey.
		I think our next episode, we've already filmed it, should be going up tomorrow.
		And I don't have a Patreon.
		So as always, if you do want to support my videos, you can head on over to clearlypure.com.
		It's my family's bath and body company.
		We're actually having a Father's Day sale right now.
		Uh, let's see if, uh, it's like a sliding thing.
		So if you buy like $100 worth of stuff, use the code dad20, you get 20% off.
		And if you buy $50 worth of stuff, use the code dad10.
		Get 10% off.
		So yeah, that's what I have instead of a paywall.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's clearly P-U-R.
unidentified		Yeah, so C-L-E-A-R-L-Y-P-U-R dot com.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And that helps keep the videos going.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's really good material.
		You brought some soap last time.
		I loved it.
		I had the salt soap.
		It just feels so good on my face.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
		Yeah, I bring soap now when I travel.
		I'm using my mom's new lime soap.
		It's really good.
		It's also hard to travel with solid soap, I've learned, because you have to dry it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you guys can also follow me at IanCrossland.net and follow me on social media, Ian Crossland.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Also, I've got some music online, iTunes, Amazon Music, things like that.
unidentified		So if you want to check it out, check it out and feel free to download it, too, if you want to support it.
unidentified		Really appreciate it, guys.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And you guys are more than welcome to follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I try to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you at TimCast.com in the exclusive members only bonus segment with Lauren coming up around 11 p.m.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		We'll see you then.

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