May 20, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| video has surfaced of the Biden administration smuggling migrants into the United States. | ||
| children into Tennessee and many other southeastern states. | ||
| And I was a bit reticent to say smuggling, but I'm like, that's actually what he's doing. | ||
| A lot of these news outlets are like secretly transporting illegal immigrant children into these states without their knowledge. | ||
| And I'm like, that's extremely verbose for smuggling, which means to convey secretly or illicitly, which is what the Biden administration is doing right now. | ||
| They screwed up the borders so bad, and they are so desperate, they're literally just putting kids on planes and flying them out to random places. | ||
| Well, Tennessee politicians are really, really angry. | ||
| Like, yo, what are you doing? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| It's extremely crazy. | ||
| We got some other stories, too. | ||
| The lab leak stuff is now going mainstream. | ||
| PolitiFact apparently now has semi-rescinded a fact check claiming that the COVID lab leak hypothesis was debunked. | ||
| Because now they're like, OK, well, it's not debunked. | ||
| They're undebunking. | ||
| Is that a word? | ||
| Undebunking. | ||
| PolitiFact is undebunked! | ||
| They're bunking it. | ||
| They're re-bunking it. | ||
| They've re-bunked! | ||
| I think it's re-bunk. | ||
| All right, so the LabLink hypothesis has been re-bunked by PolitiFact, and we definitely got to talk about it. | ||
| So joining us today is Will Chamberlain of Human Events. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| I am Will Chamberlain, the co-publisher and... I don't know exactly what my editor title is. | ||
| We still need to figure that out, but I run the opinion side. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And I also am senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project, the Article 3 Project, and something new, the Unsilenced Majority, which is a new canceled culture group. | ||
| So, a cancel culture? | ||
| Anti-cancel culture. | ||
| Although, we do sort of are willing to cancel people who use cancel culture, which is, in my view, perhaps the most justified use of cancel culture. | ||
| Yeah, it's like using a flamethrower on a guy with a flamethrower, you know? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's allowed. | ||
| Yeah, and we hired Jack Kasso today, which I'm really happy about. | ||
| That was announced on Twitter. | ||
| We're stoked. | ||
| I mean, Jack, in my view, is not only a very good personal friend, but a very good journalist in his own right, and he doesn't get credit for it. | ||
| I mean, he had scoops on the Mueller investigation that no one else had, and they were confirmed by the New York Times three weeks later. | ||
| He's also a secret agent in a comic book. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| He's like a really cool guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's a really good guy. | ||
| He wears a suit, so I just assumed he was, like, stodgy. | ||
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But then I met him, and I was like, I love you, dude. | |
| The problem, I gained some weight, so I'm not wearing a suit properly. | ||
| But I had, like, nice custom suits. | ||
| You gotta drop some weight. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I gotta do. | ||
| We got Ian. | ||
| Oh, yeah, Ian Crossland. | ||
| What's up, guys? | ||
| You can always find me at iancrossland.net, but I'm happy to be here. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| I will also sing Jack's praises. | ||
| He is an awesome friend. | ||
| He's a cool source. | ||
| He always has really neat scoops. | ||
| And I'm excited that he's part of Human Events now. | ||
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| My friends, we are going to have a very special Creepy, eerie, Donald Trump future, time travel, bonus segment tonight. | ||
| It delves into the weird and wild and conspiracies. | ||
| It's going to blow your mind. | ||
| Mark my words, you will have a laugh. | ||
| And some people probably will unfortunately end up believing this stuff, but there's a really crazy story that's been around for some time. | ||
| We're going to get into. | ||
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| Let's jump into this first story, which, uh, honestly, I- I couldn't believe. | ||
| From WRCBTV, NBC. | ||
| Late night flights carrying migrant children arrive in Chattanooga. | ||
| Chattanooga's Wilson Air Center is receiving planes carrying migrant children who are being bused to multiple southeastern cities during overnight hours. | ||
| Let me just simplify it for you. | ||
| This is the Biden administration smuggling migrant children into the central US, into these southeastern states and cities. | ||
| They say, Channel 3 obtained video of one of those planes arriving Friday, May 14th, shortly before 1.30 a.m. | ||
| A second video shared with Channel 3 shows more children arriving late Saturday night. | ||
| According to the source who provided the video, a third plane carrying children arrived Friday afternoon. | ||
| Flight records confirm that a fourth plane arrived early Wednesday morning, May 19th. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| Did anybody approve this? | ||
| Does anybody know about this? | ||
| I mean, I'm sure it was approved by someone in the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| You can bet that after the kids in cages debacle, with the five-fold increase in illegal immigration to start the term, that somebody in the Biden administration was told that under no circumstances were there to be more photos of kids piled up in cages with space blankets. | ||
| So now they got videos of kids being shuffled into planes and flown out to random cities. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Probably better optically, oddly enough. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, if we're just trying to avoid the really, you know, image that will disturb Joe Biden voters, it would be the one of them being near the border. | ||
| So, out of sight, out of mind, right? | ||
| As long as they're... This is... I'm sorry, man. | ||
| This is apocalyptically bad, in my opinion. | ||
| This is a hundredfold worse than kids in cages. | ||
| They're just like, okay, we don't want the kids to be in the cages, so put them on a plane, fly them out to Tennessee, put them on a bus, and ship off to a group home. | ||
| Everything about the Biden policy, it's like the maximum amount of immorality that you could do with immigration policy, right? | ||
| Like, if they had done open borders, that would be less immoral. | ||
| And if they had gone full border closure, that would be less immoral. | ||
| They have managed to find the uncanny valley of the worst possible policy, which is, again, I mean, so in tort law, there's something called, I don't know if I talked about this before, but attractive nuisance. | ||
| No, what is that? | ||
| So, attractive nuisance, you know, normally if somebody trespasses on your land and gets hurt, you're not liable. | ||
| They trespassed. | ||
| But, if you have something on your land, like a broken merry-go-round or something. | ||
| What about an apple tree? | ||
| Or, who knows? | ||
| It could be anything, but like something that attracts children. | ||
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| Right? | ||
| And it leads the children to trespass and they get hurt. | ||
| Even though they're trespassing, you are liable. | ||
| That's BS. | ||
| But I knew about this because I'm a skateboarder. | ||
| So, at the mini ramp back in Philly, we had a no skateboarding sign on it. | ||
| So we're like, no trespassing, and then no skateboarding allowed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, attractive nuisance. | ||
| Basically, our border is an attractive nuisance, right? | ||
| The promise of getting citizenship or the ability to work in the United States is what attracts people, and the nuisance part is the fact that people are having to go through this unbelievably difficult journey in order to get it. | ||
| Right there, you know crossing, you know finding themselves in the hands of drug cartels and human traffickers | ||
| Uh going through very dangerous journeys crossing the Rio Grande all this sort of nonsense | ||
| Um, so we're we're responsible I guess. Yeah, like the the the biden administration | ||
| I think you know, I mean the trump administration had the you know a much more moral policy which is actual deterrence, | ||
| right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, Australia had a similar dynamic. | ||
| Remember when Trump said he wanted moats full of alligators? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| He didn't really say that, but they claimed he did. | ||
| That's good enough. | ||
| I mean, it is moral to deter people from engaging in a dangerous journey. | ||
| Didn't it talk about, like, lasers or something, too? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| I mean, you know, Australia had this problem when they had boat people coming from, like, Fiji and islands surrounding it. | ||
| And they had all these drownings, right? | ||
| Tons of drownings in the boats off of Australia. | ||
| And they said, They just had a huge policy. | ||
| It's like, if you get here on a boat, you're not gonna be able to stay. | ||
| Period. | ||
| And stop. | ||
| Change the law. | ||
| What if you have a merry-go-round? | ||
| And a moat full of alligators? | ||
| If the kids fall in the moat full of alligators? | ||
| Is it a nuisance or a deterrent? | ||
| Like, am I in trouble? | ||
| I don't think attractive nuisance would come into play. | ||
| That would probably be still a crime. | ||
| I would say so, yeah. | ||
| Because you're, you know, there's... I don't remember exactly what the law is, but you're not, for example, you can't set up, like, trap guns in your house. | ||
| You can see the alligators, bro. | ||
| I understand that you can see them, but the idea is you can't set up intentionally fatal traps on your property. | ||
| Because you will be liable if someone kills themselves. | ||
| So move to Florida where there's naturally occurring moats full of alligators. | ||
| Look, I don't think... | ||
| The naturally occurring moats for alligators, that's a good liability question. | ||
| Do you have to remediate that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know the answer to that. | ||
| Well, anyway, more to the point, this is crazy. | ||
| I knew Biden, his policies were in the gutter and everything was falling apart, but this is a whole new level of bad. | ||
| It's like, in the middle of the night, taking these unaccompanied children and shuffling them off to who knows where. | ||
| How insane. | ||
| So not only did Joe Biden create a pull factor by getting rid of Donald Trump's Remain-in-Mexico policies, so now it's like, come on in, catch and release. | ||
| These some of the many of these people who had COVID were being released into Texas when American | ||
| citizens couldn't even legally cross the border. Then Joe Biden reopens the Homestead facility. | ||
| Look, I get it. You got a bunch of kids. You created a problem. You need a place to put them. | ||
| But let's be real. Trump shut that facility down. They were complaining about it. Joe Biden's | ||
| attractive was attractive, attractive nuisance. Yes. Hold these people created a poll factor, | ||
| which we've heard about in the news all over and over again. | ||
| So he reopens the child concentration camps. | ||
| AOC's words, not mine. | ||
| And then he expands the McAllen facility, so now he's got a bunch of kids sleeping in the dirt. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| And now, because the videos are bad enough, and there's still more kids coming, just shuffle them off, who knows where. | ||
| That's depravity. | ||
| When you say pull factor, you mean like it's pulling people in? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So when people shut up with shirts saying, please let us in Biden, Donald Trump was like, you can't come to our border. | ||
| We'll shut it down. | ||
| No, no, excuse me. | ||
| You stay in Mexico. | ||
| They're like, people got scared. | ||
| If we try and go, we'll get arrested and then sent back. | ||
| And people were worried that if they went from like, you know, um, Bolivia or something or Columbia, they'd come up, get sent back all the way to South America. | ||
| And they're like, it's probably better staying just in Tijuana or something. | ||
| With Joe Biden, he's like, come on, man, we've got to get rid of these policies. | ||
| You know, Trump, he's a Nazi. | ||
| And so then he gets rid of them all. | ||
| And then people start rushing the border again. | ||
| Now it's created a massive surge. | ||
| It's happening, what, like two months earlier. | ||
| So Joe Biden tried claiming it's seasonal. | ||
| It's just seasonal migration. | ||
| And it's like, bro, this is two months earlier than seasonal migration. | ||
| No, you've created a pull effect. | ||
| Your policies are awful. | ||
| Trump had it functioning not perfectly. | ||
| It spiked huge under Trump. | ||
| But they had policies and they were pushing back. | ||
| Biden makes it worse. | ||
| This is, man, this is nuts. | ||
| It's not seasonal. | ||
| It's global. | ||
| The economy is trembling and people are fleeing their South American homeland. | ||
| A lot of people are. | ||
| Not even just South America. | ||
| I saw an article that said, like, you had European economic migrants, African economic migrants crossing the southern border. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| I mean, I saw that, like, there was some article that tried to be like people, refugees from countries hard hit by COVID. | ||
| I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's not a refugee. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's a migrant. | ||
| An economic migrant. | ||
| And they're not fleeing. | ||
| They're migrating. | ||
| Yeah, they're migrating. | ||
| Well, I suppose the easiest thing you can do is put them on buses and planes and just, I don't know, random places. | ||
| Yeah, in a way it makes sense. | ||
| Like, they're clearing up the space. | ||
| Although, but the problem then is they're doing it, they try to seem like they want to do it covertly. | ||
| Yeah, it's called smuggling. | ||
| Illicitly transporting people. | ||
| I mentioned earlier that it sounds like it's a conspiracy. | ||
| Like, they would be charged with conspiracy because they're transporting known illegal immigrants across state borders. | ||
| They committed a crime. | ||
| They're aiding and abetting criminals. | ||
| I mean, you know, there's almost certainly some sort of affirmative defense doing so under color of law with the order, you know, order from the executive branch. | ||
| And there's some, probably some statutory authority. | ||
| You know that we already have kids in like orphanages and group homes who need loving parents and are being tossed about the system. | ||
| The last thing we need is for Biden to screw everything up and then just shuffle people under the rug. | ||
| That's, that's sickening. | ||
| It's just why we don't elect Democrats. | ||
| It's like why responsible people don't, don't let Democrats run things. | ||
| Well, that's why this is so immoral. | ||
| Yeah, but come on, man. | ||
| The Republican Party. | ||
| I tweeted, we need a commission of medical experts and scientists to figure out how several invertebrates and terrestrial land snails, terrestrial snails, somehow managed to imitate English speech, join the Republican Party and get elected to office. | ||
| Invertebrates, yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, we're talking about January 6th commission and 30, 35. | ||
| But come on, it's not even that. | ||
| I mean, Mitch McConnell pretends to fight. | ||
| Look at what's going on because of the fecklessness of the Republican Party. | ||
| Now, I get it. | ||
| A speed bump is better than nothing. | ||
| But that's what the Republican Party is at this point. | ||
| They're a speed bump for Democrats. | ||
| Oh, Democrats gotta slow down a little bit. | ||
| They're making too much money. | ||
| I can't stand these people. | ||
| I don't want to lose faith in the system. | ||
| I don't want to lose faith in the American government. | ||
| Because that could be the beginning of the end, or the end of the end, of the system. | ||
| But they're making so much money that just talking to each other every day and not getting much done is enough for them. | ||
| The Democrats are beholden to zealots. | ||
| Let's be real. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| They kick out their zealots. | ||
| Steve King. | ||
| He gets booted from all of his committees and then he loses his primary because nobody wanted to hear what he had to say. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Democrats. | ||
| Ilhan Omar gets protected by Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| So the Democrats, for what it's worth, they got spines in spades. | ||
| They will scream at the top of their lungs. | ||
| They will bang on the doors of the Supreme Court. | ||
| They will storm into the Senate buildings. | ||
| And the media does nothing. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because their friends have spines in media, got the jobs, took over the institutions, and protect them. | ||
| Has it always been like this? | ||
| It's just now there's social media, so we see it? | ||
| I mean, to a degree. | ||
| You know, there was a time when it was, there was actual, like, public cachet in being Republican, and I think the Iraq War really destroyed that. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like the, I'd say that, you know, 2000 era, I mean, it's still Republicans were, like, the majority and dominant in the culture, but at least Didn't they lose the Congress for like 40 years? | ||
| Yeah, they did, but it was really bad for a while, but then it's a very different country, and that Democratic coalition looks very different. | ||
| I just look at where we're at right now with Democrats, and Ilhan Omar can just shriek, and they're like, whatever you say, and the Republicans just go, okay. | ||
| And then Marjorie Taylor Greene, like two years ago, posted some dumb stuff on Facebook, and they're like, get rid of the banner from everything. | ||
| She didn't even say those things while she was a member of Congress. | ||
| Yeah, something like, and a bunch of Republicans flipped, you know, went over on that one too. | ||
| I mean, we had something like a dozen Republicans decide they were gonna vote, you know, against their own member having committee seats. | ||
| The Republican Party is the jellyfish party. | ||
| It's just, I mean, so many of these people need to be replaced and bullied more effectively. | ||
| Like, there's a lack of bullying. | ||
| Politically bullied. | ||
| Yes, politically bullied. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Like, people need to show up and protest these 35 jellyfish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or are they just the oligarch party? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The Republicans, I think, are like... You ever see... This is the way I described it earlier. | ||
| You ever see the movie, This is the End? | ||
| No, I hear it's great, though. | ||
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I've seen it. | |
| So, Danny McBride gets kicked out of the house. | ||
| And then later on, they find him and he's a cannibal. | ||
| And then he has that actor. | ||
| I can't remember the actor's name. | ||
| Is James Franco's in it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Seth Rogen's in it, but that's all I know. | ||
| He has that actor. | ||
| What's that actor's name? | ||
| He was in G.I. | ||
| Joe. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| No. | ||
| Negative. | ||
| Chad something? | ||
| I can't remember his name. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| a gimp so he's like on all fours and crawling around and Danny McBride is a | ||
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| cannibal that's the Republican Party is the gimp in the in the in this in the | ||
| suit well and Danny McBride is Democratic Party it is shelled out now | ||
| now to be fair like they're like ten Republicans that are fighters you know | ||
| Donald Trump was a fighter Donald Trump grabbed the party and yanked it really | ||
| hard and as people liked so I tweeted I tweet something like the Republican | ||
| Party or jellyfish and then I got a response from someone who said all right | ||
| I said yeah they said the Republican Party attracts the losers and I said | ||
| that's right if somebody wanted to lie cheat and steal to gain power they | ||
| wouldn't pick the Republican Party the Democratic Party You know, so that's effectively what we're seeing. | ||
| The people who are manipulative and deceitful and evil join the Democrats and then just burn things down and strip and extract and manipulate the ignorant. | ||
| It's real easy to get a vote when you're a Democrat. | ||
| You just go up to somebody and say, hey, I'll give you his money. | ||
| And they're like, deal. | ||
| And the Republicans are like, personal responsibility. | ||
| You gotta work hard and meritocracy. | ||
| I'm like, pfft. | ||
| That sounds like work! | ||
| So people vote for not work. | ||
| So you end up with a Republican party that's just, like, a speed bump. | ||
| No one's fighting for anything. | ||
| What are they fighting for other than, Democrats don't do that. | ||
| Democrats, don't you do that! | ||
| What do you stand for? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, for a long time, this has been a long-term frustration. | ||
| I mean, I remember trying to push for social media regulation, because, like, we obviously needed it. | ||
| The companies were controlled by the Democrats, they were censoring conservatives. | ||
| And they're like, well, no, but the free market, it's like, okay. | ||
| And now every, you know, two years later when we've lost power, everybody's like, oh, that was a good idea. | ||
| Well, we should totally have done that. | ||
| Can't count on them. | ||
| Can't count on them. | ||
| We're seeing some, I mean, I'm seeing some good signs of some of them, like, you know, we'll get into the seize the endowments thing that Cotton's doing later. | ||
| Tom Cotton's doing that? | ||
| Tom Cotton. | ||
| Well, he's going to tax them. | ||
| So, you know, a step in the right direction. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Taxation is theft. | ||
| Seize it. | ||
| I get worked up about freedom. | ||
| Free trade, free market, free freedom. | ||
| We'll get into that later. | ||
| I get worked up about freedom, like free trade, free, | ||
| free market, free freedom, because it's not doesn't mean that | ||
| there's no interference. | ||
| If you know the reason that we have a free society is because we interfere | ||
| We create order. | ||
| We create police that say, you can't walk there at this time. | ||
| Stay there. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| Do this. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| So now we have freedom as a result. | ||
| You're not going to get jumped and murdered when you're walking around. | ||
| So you're essentially free. | ||
| No, it doesn't mean that it has no rules. | ||
| So it's the free market is the same way. | ||
| If you don't put place rules on the system, that's not run away. | ||
| But by that logic, prison is freedom. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Well, a prisoner has a sort of freedom. | ||
| Healthcare? | ||
| Guaranteed food? | ||
| Right, they have food. | ||
| A place to live? | ||
| That's not freedom, bro. | ||
| Technically, they're not going to get jumped and murdered because the guards are watching them. | ||
| Yeah, they will. | ||
| Well, they're not supposed to because the guards are watching. | ||
| It's not freedom. | ||
| The rules don't make you free. | ||
| You need to be responsible for yourself. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| Yeah, I think the United States... Bro, they ban guns. | ||
| People still go out with guns and kill people. | ||
| The law of the land, though, gives us an opportunity to create freedom for ourselves. | ||
| If there was no law, we would not be in a free society. | ||
| Some laws make sense and a lot of them don't. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I definitely agree with that. | ||
| Let me tell you, what we're seeing right now with this migrant thing is bad, but I'll tell you how bad it gets. | ||
| This is another huge story. | ||
| Honestly, I didn't know which story to lead with, because we got a bunch of just psychotic stories. | ||
| Tulsa residents won't be able to pay utility bills for three weeks after ransomware attack like Colonial Pipeline Outage, and it's claimed insurance giant CNA paid $40 million extortion fee. | ||
| Tulsa officials said the city system was also targeted by ransomware. | ||
| That hack means residents won't be able to pay utilities for three weeks. | ||
| Maybe a good thing for those residents. | ||
| I assume once the three weeks kicks back on, they're still going to owe all that money. | ||
| Maybe even with late fees, I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| They say it comes after Colonial Pipeline admitted to paying a $4.4 million ransom. | ||
| It's amazing leadership. | ||
| I'm glad that the FBI is trying to find that fat guy in the Wrigley shirt from January 6th. | ||
| And we got our cities being attacked by hackers and shutting down our utilities. | ||
| Bravo, good sirs! | ||
| Keep it up! | ||
| And we'll find out who that fat guy in the Trump hat is. | ||
| That guy should go to jail, right? | ||
| Was he the hacker? | ||
| No, he's just some fat guy who walked in the building. | ||
| Dude, so who is the C- what are they called? | ||
| C? | ||
| CNA. | ||
| And this is an insurance company that paid out $40 million? | ||
| $40 million extortion fee. | ||
| It's gonna keep happening. | ||
| Because, as Lydia pointed out in that Instagram video, the Russian military commercial is like, it's all dark and it's like, It's just navel-gazing. | ||
| I can't what they're saying in Russian, but it's like a guy and he's like looking with his brow down and they jump out | ||
| with Parachutes and they land in the ground and they got bolt-action | ||
| rifles for some reason. I don't know. They're using bolt-action sure and | ||
| Then it switches to the American one and it's like a Disney cartoon about two moms or something | ||
| It's like that's what America presents to the world. It's just weakness. It's like in this sort of self-obsession | ||
| They're so obsessed the internal dynamics of their companies and institutions that they forget that they're | ||
| there to like perform a function in our society and be competent at it. | ||
| I... | ||
| And I mean, we can talk about how wokeness is toxic in any number of ways, but one of them is this just fundamental distraction from the core mission that these people... I don't want to hear about... I don't care about your identity if you're working for the FBI. | ||
| I want to hear that you're stopping ransomware attacks. | ||
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| So this is the problem when you talk about the rules, and the rules are supposed to create freedom. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| What happens is they create rules, and then the zealots who gain control of the institutions enforce them against their enemies. | ||
| Meanwhile, these hacks are happening, and where's our law enforcement? | ||
| Where's Cyber Command? | ||
| To be defending us, to allow us to live in that beautiful freedom we're supposed to get with our taxpayer dollars going to these institutions. | ||
| Instead, they get shut down. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's hard to defend against these things. | ||
| But don't come to me complaining about the fat guy in a Trump hat and then creating a 9-11 style commission on January 6th when you can't defend your own cities. | ||
| Who hacked? | ||
| Do they have any ideas? | ||
| Where they were from or anything? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It makes me think that they just don't have the ability. | ||
| It's probably the same group. | ||
| We don't know for sure. | ||
| We know that Darkseid, the hacker group, made like 90 million dollars. | ||
| Why would you ever stop doing this? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Why would you stop? | ||
| There's absolutely no incentive not to do this again and again. | ||
| Yeah, if you've got a friendly sovereign, that's all you need. | ||
| You know what I would've done? | ||
| You know what I would've done if I was Colonial Pipeline? | ||
| If I got that thing and it was like, yo, we're gonna lock down your pipeline, unless you pass five million dollars, you know what I'd do? | ||
| I'd be like, alright. | ||
| Alright, hacker. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Shut it down. | ||
| Get 40, 50 million people ready to hunt you down and take you out. | ||
| You want to live in luxury? | ||
| You want five million dollars? | ||
| I'm sure you want to buy yourself a nice little Lambo in an infinity pool. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| How about instead I send 60 million people down on your ass because you shut down their pipeline? | ||
| How about we get the federal government to send some black helicopters to find out where you're at and shut you down? | ||
| You want to live wealthy? | ||
| This ain't the way to do it. | ||
| Bring it on, buddy. | ||
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Instead they go, Please just give us back our pipeline. | |
| We'll give you whatever you want. | ||
| It's because, morally, I think that's justified. | ||
| You'd be the hero in the movie. | ||
| But if you were the CEO of the company and you let them shut it down and your company lost $60 million in revenue as a result, you'd get fired as CEO the next day. | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| So what? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| And you know what I would do? | ||
| When they announced, we are terminating CEO Tim Pool immediately, I'd say, press conference, I do not negotiate with terrorists. | ||
| If you want to nuke our cities and shut down our pipelines, we will come for you, we will find you, and you will regret it. | ||
| Oil companies are not like all, you know, Blackwater capable of launching their own military. | ||
| I'm not saying they are gonna. | ||
| I'm saying when you... Shutting down the largest pipeline in the U.S. | ||
| was an attack on this country. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And instead of the U.S. | ||
| government saying, we are going to hunt you down and make you regret this choice, we paid them! | ||
| We paid them! | ||
| And then they make 90 million dollars. | ||
| These guys are kicking back pina coladas in Antalya somewhere on the beach with a bunch of other Russian tourists. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| We're probably planning the next one. | ||
| Oh yeah, the new name! | ||
| Like if they printed the funny money, now they're just giving it away. | ||
| Ransomware probably took them a week to make. | ||
| You have to act swift and hard against people like that. | ||
| It is international financial terrorism, you know, and even beyond financial terrorism, because you're cutting off people's access to heat. | ||
| Yes, and Tim, this is what you learned in what was it, I forget, that class that you took. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Where you're going into like oppositional places. | ||
| Hostile environment training? | ||
| Yeah, hostile environment training. | ||
| They talk about how the U.S. | ||
| Americans don't get kidnapped. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the U.S. | ||
| does not negotiate. | ||
| Yeah, this is what the... So when I went through the hostile environment training, they did a simulated kidnapping. | ||
| It was really fun. | ||
| It was so much fun. | ||
| It was like role-playing. | ||
| They give us this mission. | ||
| They're like, hey, you're gonna get in this van and you're gonna go and do an interview with this leader of like a terror organization or whatever. | ||
| And then the van gets, like, surrounded, and then you hear, like, fake guns go off. | ||
| And then they grab you, and they put a bag over your head, and they zip-tie it or something. | ||
| It's, like, a cloth bag. | ||
| You can breathe just fine. | ||
| And then, like, you can't see where you're going, and they bring you. | ||
| There's, like, a bunch of weird noises. | ||
| It was so much fun! | ||
| Like, I knew where they were bringing us, because they didn't have, like, a big facility. | ||
| But you could hear, like, metal clanking, and, like, muttering, and, like, yelling, and then, like, guns being messed with. | ||
| And then they make you stand upright against the wall for two hours. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| It felt like ten minutes. | ||
| I was just standing there for two hours. | ||
| Then they bring you in a room and they put a light right in front of your face and point it at you. | ||
| And then you can only see the waist down of these guys who are, with an accent, asking you questions. | ||
| It was a whole lot of fun. | ||
| Afterwards, they explained to us that this was a kidnapping scenario, where if you're a journalist in a hostile territory, this is what might happen to you. | ||
| After everyone got interrogated, they make everyone stand against the wall again, and then all of a sudden you hear the door go BOOM, and then you hear gunshots, and then you hear like, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, NOW, NOW! | ||
| GET ON THE GROUND, EVERYONE, NOW! | ||
| And we all get on the ground, PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR HEAD, NOW! | ||
| And then the guys pick us up, walk us out, take the bag, it was so much fun. | ||
| They told us. | ||
| When you get kidnapped, you gotta just try and survive. | ||
| Because the U.S. | ||
| does not negotiate with terrorists. | ||
| Which means, these guys who kidnap you can only expect a helicopter to fly overhead, dudes jump out, and they'll kill each and every one of you in the building, and your families. | ||
| So if you kidnap an American, you better apologize and let him go. | ||
| But Germany and Spain pay out instantly. | ||
| So when it comes to people in these territories in the Middle East, they love it when they find someone speaking German or Spanish. | ||
| They're like, free money! | ||
| We're gonna make ourselves 4 million bucks! | ||
| The American guy, they're like, you better think twice about this. | ||
| The problem was ISIS didn't care. | ||
| They were at war, and they didn't want money. | ||
| They had ideology. | ||
| So if they found out you were American, they were like, good. | ||
| So depending on which country, that's the point. | ||
| What we've done now in the US, we've got bad leadership. | ||
| Sorry, it's true. | ||
| Not like Trump was perfect, but the biggest pipeline in the country gets hacked. | ||
| And then DarkSide, the company that made the malware, was like, we didn't intend to do that! | ||
| Which shows exactly why what I'm saying works. | ||
| You come out and say, the hacker group DarkSide did this, find them, they're responsible. | ||
| What do you think would happen if all the gas prices skyrocketed, gas shortages sweep across the southeastern US, you got 60 million people begging Joe Biden for war? | ||
| Yeah, the Russian government would be like, uh, we're gonna lock these guys up. | ||
| I mean, I get all that, but I also just am like, I don't know that as a company CEO, as distinct from like a president, you can actually, you know, make that decision. | ||
| Or that that decision's really yours to make, right? | ||
| To pay the terrorists? | ||
| To not pay them, right? | ||
| And then essentially force 60 million people to go without oil or something like that. | ||
| Who decides to pay them? | ||
| You do. | ||
| And who decides to not pay them? | ||
| Right, but like, I'm saying that you are not like an elected official that, as a moral matter, you shouldn't be in the situation where you are in a position to get the oil pipeline running for a reasonable cost, and you decide not to do it. | ||
| They should have been able to go to the government and say, it's in your hands, we're not paying. | ||
| I mean, that was always their option. | ||
| I just, I think... They paid me for three hours. | ||
| I can understand why they paid. | ||
| You know, like, the consequences of not... I mean, we saw what happened with, like, the oil shutdown turned down for a week. | ||
| We had a massive shortage. | ||
| Yep, good. | ||
| People need to start, like, respecting responsibility and understanding what it means to be a part of a country, to be a citizen, and be responsible for the people who live here. | ||
| What's happening now is, someone says, for the betterment of myself, I would rather sacrifice the betterment of the nation. | ||
| You know, it's like, you know, ask not what you can do for your country, but what you can do... My word, you have gotten right-wing in the last year or two, my friend. | ||
| That's not right-wing at all, that's left-wing. | ||
| To be responsible? | ||
| No, not, I mean... Collectivism is not right-wing. | ||
| No, but like this, I mean, there's there there's some big time like sacrifice for the greater good and not just for like, you know, soft greater good, but do we have a responsibility? | ||
| Do we have a responsibility to protect the people of this country? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| So if we know that paying a ransom to terrorists will make this country worse and cause more suffering, should we stand together and say we will not negotiate with terrorists? | ||
| I mean, I think that there's actually a good case for a law to be written that basically bans companies from paying this sort of thing and, you know, criminalizes it. | ||
| Essentially, basically making it so that the companies, the incentives are different and doing something similar. | ||
| This was the easy way out that sacrifices our long-term prospects for this country. | ||
| Now we're already hearing, even before this, this was before the Colonial Pipeline, CNA paid $40 million. | ||
| That probably paved the way for more of this, and it'll keep happening. | ||
| They're gonna hit cities, and what's gonna happen is ideological extremists, they're not interested in the money. | ||
| They're gonna start asking for exorbitant fees, like $40 million, knowing, I don't care if they pay or not, if they pay, great, we'll have more money to do more of this. | ||
| When they gave the hackers $5 million, they funded a terrorist operation. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There's another angle to this. | ||
| I don't know if we've talked about it, which is the crypto angle, right? | ||
| I read a pretty compelling article today that was like making one of the points that, you know, one of the current primary use cases of crypto is ransom. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They used, I believe they used Bitcoin to pay the ransom. | ||
| It may have been Monero or something. | ||
| And I mean, it'd be very challenging to do that in dollars or any actual currency through the banking system because there would be so many safeguards, you know, imposed by government. | ||
| And there's none of those imposed on crypto. | ||
| Unless they use something like Monero, it's all trackable. | ||
| I guess my point, I know you're a crypto guy, Tim, but the logic that you just espoused about the need to sacrifice for the greater good and the good of the country, I feel like there's a pretty compelling argument that the greater good, in the context of avoiding ransom, And really also the strength of the dollar as a country that would suggest that maybe like we should have a negative attitude towards cryptocurrency. | ||
| Just because bad people use dollars all the time. | ||
| Sure, bad people use dollars all the time, but that doesn't mean that it's a lot harder to do these kind of things. | ||
| Bad people use the internet all the time? | ||
| Should we get rid of the internet? | ||
| It allows bad people to communicate. | ||
| No, but... Encrypted chat allows journalists to communicate. | ||
| We should get rid of that, huh? | ||
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No, no, no, no, no. | |
| I didn't say... So just because there's one negative use case, we can't throw the whole thing out. | ||
| We have to recognize that it's a tool. | ||
| Right, but I mean, if there's a, you know, if crypto's, like, there aren't that huge number of use cases for crypto as compared to other things. | ||
| I mean, it's a... | ||
| It's a currency, right? | ||
| It's supposed to function as like... I wouldn't call Bitcoin necessarily a currency. | ||
| A lot of people want it to be, but it's hard. | ||
| It's not extremely easy to transact. | ||
| It takes a decent amount of time. | ||
| It costs money. | ||
| So it's a digital, non-copyable asset. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so, I mean, they're like, you know, the other things you talk about, they're like obvious, massive, huge external uses. | ||
| If a primary use case of crypto is... So smart contracts for crypto, right? | ||
| Look, look, look. | ||
| Long story. | ||
| I don't think you know enough about crypto to make that argument. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| Bitcoin enables things called smart contracts. | ||
| The technology is in its infancy. | ||
| Ethereum really expanded upon it. | ||
| And so bad people use technology for bad things. | ||
| TNT wasn't invented to kill people, but they called Nobel the merchant of death because of it. | ||
| I mean, I think I know a decent amount about smart contracts, right? | ||
| Like, they're like self-executing contracts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It can really become an efficient way of processing tons of things. | ||
| In fact, smart contracts can be used. | ||
| Crypto blockchains, one of the most interesting things I've heard is how it can be used for automatic self-driving cars to communicate with each other and keep ledgers of all of the interactions very easily. | ||
| So, there's a lot that we don't get. | ||
| There's a lot of ways. | ||
| It's like saying in the beginning of the internet, it's like, you know, 1997's like, I don't know, criminals are using this stuff, so we should not be fans of it. | ||
| If you implanted it into you, you could have it, your body, when your body gets hungry, your coffee machine turns on and gets your coffee brewing for you and gets the microwave turned on. | ||
| I mean, that's out there, but... The point is... I think you can separate, like, the technology of, I mean, The cryptocurrency can be replicated. | ||
| Obviously, there are a million different coins out there, right? | ||
| And the use cases that are technological, right? | ||
| Smart contracts, whatever this, you know, self-driving cars thing. | ||
| Blockchain technology. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't rely on the cryptocurrency itself being worth tens of thousands of dollars per coin, right? | ||
| They would function with it being worth, you know, 0.001. | ||
| And Dogecoin is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And yeah, sure. | ||
| And I mean, if you were actually trying to develop this technology, you wouldn't be like, well, we're going to rely on Bitcoin for our self-driving car exchanges, because why would you incur the expense of using Bitcoin? | ||
| I think, you know, the primary, you know, I guess, you know, the way I see it from the perspective, like a regulatory perspective, is it's like, is it in the interests of, you know, like the United States as a whole, as a country? | ||
| For the people, yes. | ||
| Not the Fed. | ||
| for the people. Yes. | ||
| This store of value and and therefore like it and | ||
| being used as this very opaque currency | ||
| outside of the banking system. I don't know. | ||
| The answer is undoubtedly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When you have corrupt politicians exploiting the people. | ||
| The point is the people are supposed to be the government. | ||
| We the people. | ||
| The consent of the government. | ||
| Instead, we have elites who are extracting value and burning everything to the ground, and they're using Nancy Pelosi buying tons of stock, or who are these other Republicans who had a bunch of Perfect trades. | ||
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Kelly Loeffler. | |
| Loeffler and the other guy. | ||
| Was it Purdue? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they make a bunch of money. | ||
| We see it over and over again that these people in Congress will make like the perfect trade just before some bill gets passed that causes a boom or collapse. | ||
| So you've got elitists who are extracting from the system. | ||
| You've got the banking system, the mass printing of money. | ||
| Joe Biden now wants to spend 1.9 trillion dollars at a time when we're having labor shortages because nobody wants to work. | ||
| So yes, to secure the value of the labor of the individuals in this country, Bitcoin is fantastic. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| Right now, Bitcoin functions primarily as a non-copyable digital asset for a lot of people. | ||
| And a lot of people aren't even in Bitcoin. | ||
| A lot of financial institutions are getting involved in it, but it's decentralized. | ||
| It's got stakes in a bunch of different places with a bunch of different people, and it's a good thing. | ||
| When I'm talking about the pipeline, I'm talking about the people standing up together and refusing to let terrorists take advantage of us. | ||
| Because again, the most important point here, not only are we encouraging the terror, like it's going to keep happening, we are funding it when we pay the ransom. | ||
| So, I mean, the people, like, again, I mean, we're talking about a private company CEO with shareholders who has an obligation to maximize shareholder value, right? | ||
| Like, to the extent that this would be imposed so that the CEO, I mean, I think you would need some sort of policy or, like, new law to constrain the behavior of CEOs so that they don't do the thing that is in their shareholders' best interest, i.e. | ||
| pay a small, you know, a relatively small ransom to try to get the pipeline back on, right? | ||
| Should we allow people to give money to ISIS if ISIS is threatening someone in their family? | ||
| than five million for the pipeline to be shut off to colonial. | ||
| Should we allow people to give money to ISIS if ISIS is threatening someone in their family? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Should we allow companies to fund, directly pay millions of dollars to terrorist organizations? | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| But this is the corollary, right? | ||
| Then we're talking about a government policy that says, OK, for the collective good, we're going to ban these ransoms. | ||
| We're going to criminalize it. | ||
| I actually think that is reasonably sound, because that's a way to solve the principal agent problem. | ||
| I guess it's a collective action problem. | ||
| Everybody's better off if nobody pays ransom, but it's in the individual interest to pay ransom. | ||
| So that's how a government policy can come around. | ||
| Well, there's another dynamic to it, which is, again, if there's an individual incentive for various individuals to have crypto, but the net effect of having crypto maybe is negative because it facilitates ransom. | ||
| Maybe the government should have a policy that is adversarial towards crypto. | ||
| There's no connection here. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, without crypto, it's pretty hard to see how... Without the internet, it's really hard to see how the terrorists get paid. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, the internet has, you know, the infinite uses that we all use it for today. | ||
| Not in 1995. | ||
| 1995, there were news reports saying the internet wouldn't last and it didn't do anything. | ||
| And here's the other point, like, adversarial towards crypto doesn't necessarily mean adversarial towards the technological applications of crypto that you're discussing, but merely adversarial towards the currency one. | ||
| Right, in fact, we got Section 230 from Congress in the mid-90s to protect the internet in its infancy, to embolden it and empower it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if anything, we need the government to help us make it better and strengthen it. | ||
| Maybe that's a better way of dealing with these things. | ||
| I mean, what do you think about a national cryptocurrency? | ||
| Like one, you know, distinct from Bitcoin, funded by, you know, supported by the government. | ||
| Yeah, UCBC. | ||
| I think India's doing it. | ||
| I think the U.S. | ||
| is already working on it. | ||
| People are calling it Fedcoin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's other problems, obviously, that come to that because, you know, whenever you have a currency. | ||
| You think the Federal Reserve is a good thing? | ||
| I mean, I think, here's the thing. | ||
| I think in general, one really good way to have an economic crisis is to have a currency that you cannot dilute. | ||
| That's the lesson, you know, the way to think about it is, I mean, that's the lesson of the euro crisis. | ||
| So this is actually, like, an economic question about the inability for, like, what happens when, you know, countries become less productive? | ||
| And there's a basic behavioral truth. | ||
| People don't like wage cuts. | ||
| No one likes seeing their pay take home pay cut in nominal terms. | ||
| And so basically, you know, in America, like when that happens, or in when you have floating exchange rates, well then the exchange rates just floats and your goods don't purchase as much of German goods. | ||
| But at least in your own country, wages don't go down. | ||
| But they're all in the euro. | ||
| And as a result, like wages, you know, we're sticky downwards. | ||
| It's hard for them to go down. | ||
| So instead, a lot of people just don't get employed. | ||
| And that's the euro crisis. | ||
| That's the gold standard of the 1920s in England. | ||
| There's a lot of good reasons to think that a really obvious trigger of recessions in the past has been fixed exchange rates. | ||
| And so it's not obvious to me that you would want to have the government unable to dilute a money supply, because in that world, essentially, you're dealing with a fixed currency. | ||
| And if you have a decrease in overall economic productivity, that's going to manifest itself in unemployment if you don't have dilution. | ||
| I like being able to spin up new cryptos to avoid the inability to dilute. | ||
| So it'd be a sort of dilution by creating new finite supplies. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think that crypto as technology, I don't think, relies on having crypto as the store of value, you know, on, you know, anonymous world currency. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that, you know, I think the real query is if the if You know, the primary use case of the anonymous world currency, you know, crypto is ransomware. | ||
| But that's not anonymous. | ||
| OK, well, I guess not anonymous, but like pseudonymous or essentially like hard to... It's actually the opposite. | ||
| It's Bitcoin tracks everything you do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they know who has what. | ||
| Like so there's stories all the time about which white supremacist has which Bitcoin and how much money. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So it's actually more transparent and bad for a lot of these groups trying to operate, for better or for worse, in the shadows. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There is Monero, which does obfuscate transactions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, obviously, every one of these ransomwares we're seeing is being paid off in crypto, right? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| So they use, like, pools to manipulate the flow and then, like, take them in, launder Bitcoin and make it harder to track. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they do that and they don't do it through the normal banking system, right? | ||
| There's nobody getting a wire transfer of ransomware money. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| That would be insane. | ||
| No, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, to a bank account? | ||
| I mean, a bank account could be supervised by the sovereigns much more easily than crypto. | ||
| Sure, but I'm not denying that it's a lot easier to pay a ransom with crypto than it was with a bank account, but I'm sure people have found ways to pay ransoms through bank accounts because crypto is relatively new. | ||
| Sure, but it's like, you know, the explosion of these ransomware attacks is joined with crypto. | ||
| What do they do in the movies, like Swiss bank accounts? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, those still don't work as well, right? | ||
| There's still sovereign influence over them. | ||
| There's new technology. | ||
| So I think what we should be saying is we'd be having the exact same conversation in the 90s about the internet. | ||
| It's kind of an absurd argument. | ||
| I mean, oh, I don't know. | ||
| I think, you know, the internet argument suggests that there's this plethora of use cases for the internet. | ||
| I mean, we use it for everything we do now. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Right, but in the 90s we didn't. | ||
| And so people could say, why should we have this thing that's like 1.01% of our economy be facilitating crime? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I mean, I guess I've, I think I've answered that by saying that the technological use cases of crypto that are, you know, the things that some of the, again, you gave the example of cars and smart contracts. | ||
| Sure, but they're not reliant on crypto itself being a store of value in an anonymous global currency. | ||
| It is. | ||
| There are tokens that are utility tokens that are seemingly shouldn't be held as value, but they have value because they're non-copyable assets. | ||
| There's scarcity to them. | ||
| Like Dogecoin has value in its memery and the confidence people have in the idea of Doge being funny. | ||
| So they buy it, even though it's an inflationary coin, and they keep printing more and more of it. | ||
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| So maybe, I mean, my understanding of Bitcoin technology is that there's more and more coins, I mean, at an ever-decreasing rate, but more and more coins mined via computer. | ||
| But it's finite. | ||
| There'll be about 20 million total. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, imagine if you're totally focused solely on the technological use of crypto, you'd probably want something that has a dramatically higher inflation rate, right? | ||
| Like Dogecoin. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| Or something that creates, you know, it's so trivially easy to mine more new coins as opposed to difficult. | ||
| Because like the idea of Bitcoin is the, yeah, I guess, I don't know. | ||
| But like, that would be better technologically. | ||
| And then also, that would be a terrible, you know, that would not be a great use case for I don't think for ransomware, if the currency is just constantly being eroded, then nobody would be really willing to pay very much for any particular crypto. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But a good portion of crypto is inflationary and a good portion is deflationary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Crypto is just non-copyable digital assets and there's a lot of things that can be done with them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I get all that. | ||
| I'm not saying all crypto bad. | ||
| I'm saying crypto designed to be a store of value, stable global currency, probably bad. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| If you look at the original ideas of what Bitcoin was, a lot of people would argue that it was meant to be a currency. | ||
| Where it's at today, it certainly isn't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But perhaps we shouldn't be trying to do that. | ||
| That particular use case. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Like, you could use apples. | ||
| Or you could use seashells as a currency. | ||
| Maple syrup. | ||
| They used to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| They used to use seashells. | ||
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| Then they had to figure out gold coins because they were soft and you could cut them thin enough. | ||
| Now they make cotton. | ||
| These dollars are made of cotton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the thing about crypto is you could make a token like Canon, who we use Canon cameras, could make a crypto that's like a smart contract crypto that, you know, if you have it, then when you sit down, all your cameras turn on. | ||
| And so but if you don't have it, you got to do it all manually. | ||
| So it's a it's a smart contract that does this stuff. | ||
| So you want to go buy it doesn't have any value fiscally, but it has value functionally. | ||
| So it will have fiscal value as a result. | ||
| And there's no avoiding it. | ||
| The Minds Utility Token isn't supposed to have an inherent value, necessarily. | ||
| It's used for... because you can use a Minds Token to boost your post. | ||
| Well, views have value, and if the token can do that, then the token has monetary value. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, I can see, like, my point is not necessarily to say that, like, the tokens... Everything's got monetary value. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, zero monetary value. | ||
| But rather that making them undesirable as stores of value. | ||
| I don't like the idea of the government printing money to steal the value of working-class people to give to the ultra-wealthy. | ||
| So I like crypto for that reason. | ||
| And general like fixed exchange rates in general. | ||
| And I mean, I think that the difference is Bitcoin can be forked and modified debate based on consensus within the decentralized network. | ||
| So when you look at Biden saying he wants to print six trillion or borrow up to like 30 trillion or whatever, and they keep giving money to people who aren't working. | ||
| And then those people who aren't working are then buying from people who are working. | ||
| It's essentially redistributing wealth and giving people a benefit to not work while | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| others have to work because certainly someone has to. | ||
| It's only possible because they can just make more over nonstop. | ||
| And inflation is essentially a hidden tax on savings. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Bitcoin is the opposite. | ||
| But it's not just Bitcoin. | ||
| There's a bunch of other cryptocurrencies that do a bunch of other things. | ||
| So many of them have value because people value them like anything. | ||
| And so I don't like the idea that working class people can't save money. | ||
| They got to spend money to be in the bank. | ||
| If they hold the dollars and the dollars lose value, maybe they can't afford a full ounce of gold. | ||
| They'll try and buy something. | ||
| I like the idea that they have a hedge and Bitcoin makes it extremely easy for most people. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I think it's extraordinarily risky as a hedge. | ||
| And I think in general, if you're trying to hedge against inflation, one of the better ways to do it, and if we're also, one of the socially better ways to do it is to invest in stocks, equities. | ||
| What makes you think Bitcoin's risky? | ||
| What makes me think Bitcoin's risky? | ||
| Because I could, like, does it produce itself, growth, right? | ||
| Does it produce profit? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It produces heat when it's created. | ||
| Right, it consumes it. | ||
| Well, the computer produces the heat. | ||
| Produces heat. | ||
| The computer produces the heat. | ||
| But it doesn't actually, it just transfers the heat. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Transmutes it. | ||
| I guess, so it transmutes, but I mean, it consumes energy. | ||
| Yeah, it consumes electricity and gets off heat. | ||
| It consumes electricity. | ||
| Like, it doesn't, like, businesses, you know, transform lesser valued, you know, factors of production into finished products that are more valuable. | ||
| So, like, a digital asset that can't be copied is valuable to people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm saying, but like the asset itself versus the company that makes it, right? | ||
| Like if you're investing in a company that transforms something to, you know, something of lesser value and something more value. | ||
| That's literally what they're doing though. | ||
| But like, again, commodity versus the company, right? | ||
| Like when I'm talking about equity, equities grow, they produce, you know, companies produce things and transform, you know, if they don't make things more valuable, they go out of business. | ||
| Is a large rock worth less than the iron that is perfectly extracted into an ingot from the rock? | ||
| Like, obviously the ingot's worth more as a piece of metal refined. | ||
| So taking energy and converting that into a non-copyable digital asset that someone can hold and can be used for smart contracts, if people want to do it, it becomes something more valuable. | ||
| Sure, right. | ||
| Okay, so there's, again, distinguish the business and the commodity, right? | ||
| Like the business of, you know, making Bitcoin versus and you can invest in the companies | ||
| that mine for sure. | ||
| Right. Right. And so but like again, my point is that as a hedge against | ||
| inflation, right, the token itself, like there could be a move against it and it | ||
| could go dramatically. I don't know. Like I see, you know, Bitcoin is being in | ||
| some ways worse than gold or more risky than gold. | ||
| Gold can go to zero? | ||
| You can eat it. | ||
| You can definitely eat it. | ||
| I could go to zero. | ||
| I could go to, you know, in the same way that when... | ||
| Gold can go to zero? | ||
| Gold has just underlying fundamental use cases. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Like beauty, industrial. | ||
| You can eat it. | ||
| You can definitely eat it. | ||
| You can start colloidal gold. | ||
| I used to drink it a lot at the... | ||
| But with crypto, again, you have smart contracts, you have underlying use cases, you have a | ||
| Right, but they don't rely on any particular crypto. | ||
| Using gold as a conductor doesn't rely on the value. | ||
| In fact, it's inhibited. | ||
| We could be using gold for technology, but the cost is prohibitively expensive because people just want it for no reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, people want gold. | ||
| And I mean, you could argue that that underlying, you know, that creates some higher demand for but like those Bitcoin. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But the point the idea is not like Bitcoin, like crypto, right? | ||
| If you say crypto has use cases, therefore, Bitcoin can't go to zero. | ||
| It's like, well, Bitcoin has use cases, so it's extremely unlikely to go to zero. | ||
| I mean, but like every those use cases are universal to cryptos generally, and so it can be replaced by other cryptos. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| Theoretically, you could create an identical coin to Bitcoin just using its open source code, but you don't have the network. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Is that even an advantage because of how much energy the network is burning? | ||
| It's an advantage because people use it. | ||
| It's universally... Like, what if someone said, like, gold, I could use aluminum, you know? | ||
| Like, wasn't aluminum worth more than gold at one point because it was harder to produce? | ||
| And so what, just use a different... Look, if metal is valuable, then we'll use any metal we want. | ||
| Gold could go to zero because aluminum could go up. | ||
| Or we could find a giant asteroid of gold, and we're like, wow. | ||
| It's worth a thousandth of what we thought it was. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| And you can't do that with Bitcoin. | ||
| Diamonds are intentionally inflated in value. | ||
| They're really not worth that much. | ||
| We can mass-produce diamonds artificially using those neon gas chambers. | ||
| So gold has some use cases in terms of a conductive metal. | ||
| I think silver is better. | ||
| And people don't use it, for the most part, because gold is way too expensive to actually use. | ||
| So people just like having it as a status symbol. | ||
| It's kind of a meaningless value, but the reality is gold is scarce, and so people value it as a hedge because it's a scarce commodity. | ||
| It's not even that good a hedge, honestly. | ||
| I'm not pro-gold. | ||
| I'm pro-investing in companies and the American economy. | ||
| So you think being invested in a valuable company that can weather the storm of a depression | ||
| is a good hedge against inflation? | ||
| Right, because think about it. | ||
| People are going to keep wanting iPhones because they make an incredible product. | ||
| Or companies that have a sort of durable moat, a competitive moat. | ||
| They're going to be able to, they have pricing power. | ||
| So if inflation increases the cost of their factors of production, they can increase the | ||
| price of the goods and people will still buy them. | ||
| And that ability to durably make profit means that they are a good, even in a world of inflation, | ||
| means they are a good hedge against inflation. | ||
| That's like one thing. | ||
| I mean, you know, you can like gold is more of a, it's more speculating on fear in a way, right? | ||
| Like you're, you know, gold isn't gonna somehow magically replace the dollar as currency. | ||
| But rather, if you're buying gold, you're sort of betting... A good way to think about buying gold is that you're betting people are going to be more scared in a year or two years than they are currently, and therefore it'll go up in price. | ||
| You're also betting the system will stay intact. | ||
| The same is true, to a certain degree, with crypto, but more so with gold. | ||
| Sure, but you're much more wisely invested in that case, because you've invested massively in ammunition and guns and things like that, which will be much more valuable. | ||
| Which is why I buy... I have gold and I have silver, but I think about... It's not so much about the guns, it's about investing in function. | ||
| So, we've also got a kiln, we've got a forge, we've got... And for the most part, it's fun things you can make. | ||
| We've also got 3D printers. | ||
| This is mostly for making stuff, but I'd rather buy something that does a thing than just buy a rock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| I don't think much of gold. | ||
| But I still do buy the shiny rocks, to be honest. | ||
| Yeah, gold. | ||
| They used to wear gold crowns. | ||
| You know, the kings. | ||
| I think it has healing properties. | ||
| Apparently it was in the earth. | ||
| And you know, you get your trace minerals when you eat vegetables. | ||
| You get like a little bit of iron in your diet. | ||
| You used to get a little bit of gold in your diet. | ||
| Gold was just scarce and easy to mold. | ||
| They mined most of it out of the earth because they wanted it for currency. | ||
| And now when you eat, you don't get the trace mineral anymore. | ||
| The gold's missing. | ||
| So people will supplement it by eating colloidal. | ||
| They'll suspend it in water and drink a little bit at a time. | ||
| Is that why all the flakes are in the little sushi? | ||
| Like they're really nice restaurants? | ||
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| Because it actually has value. | ||
| I hear that it coats the neurons in your brain. | ||
| It'll coat them and allow them to conduct electricity faster. | ||
| I felt that when I'm stretching, when my muscle would rip, if I had eaten gold, it will fill in the muscle and I can keep stretching. | ||
| I don't know about all that. | ||
| It would, like, soak into their skin, the kings, and that's why they would have it touching their skin. | ||
| And gold rings. | ||
| Silver's antibacterial, so if you have an infection, silver can cure, help you cure that or heal that. | ||
| And then you turn blue. | ||
| A lot of these metals, palladium and platinum, it's just not a real, it's not a science. | ||
| People haven't really scientifically done much, I don't think, with that, that research. | ||
| But trace minerals are legit for your diet. | ||
| True. | ||
| Cryptocurrency is a great technology. | ||
| Moses, they say, ground up that golden calf and fed it to the people. | ||
| hitting anybody for making a good trade like if you made a good trade you made a good trade like that's that the rules of trading or you make money with I think there are people who just like are Bitcoin doomers arbitrarily Like, Dogecoin, I understand if you're like, Dogecoin's a bad bet because it's an inflationary currency that's mass-produced. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's, like, guaranteed to go down unless people are memeing it up, which can't go, like, really can't go that long. | ||
| Now, Elon Musk is trying to get developers to alter Doge because they can't. | ||
| They basically can't because it's effectively abandonware. | ||
| And then maybe they'll do something to make it more stable, but it's an incredibly unstable coin. | ||
| Incredibly. | ||
| Yeah, Elon, I mean... And Elon, of course, encouraged everybody to buy it, because Elon is a stock promoter with some research projects on the side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Like, that's his business. | ||
| So he probably... I bet he sold all his doge at the top. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
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| You know, what do they say? | ||
| Buy on the rumor, sell on the news? | ||
| Is that the saying? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, there's a weird way of making money in crypto that just becomes obvious, right? | ||
| If you're a massive social media influencer, you just buy a bunch of a random... No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You can make it. | ||
| Like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can make ERC-20 tokens just instantly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Make tokens, encourage your followers to buy them, sell the tokens. | ||
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| It's crazy. | ||
| You know, to be honest... It's not an SEC violation. | ||
| I think it probably is, actually. | ||
| I don't even want to draw the wrath, but man... No, no, no. | ||
| It's vicious. | ||
| I can make a bunch of t-shirts and sell them. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| I can make a t-shirt and be like, everybody should buy this t-shirt and get your To The Moon t-shirt at TimCast.com by clicking the store button. | ||
| I can make t-shirts and sell them. | ||
| I mean, the question is going to be whether it falls under the technical definition of a security. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's a commodity. | ||
| I don't know if the SEC has said that. | ||
| So the issue is, what's happened to a lot of these companies that the SEC has gone after or questioned, is that they'll start a company, create the tokens, and then sell them to get funding for the company. | ||
| And so they say, you're issuing a security. | ||
| It's a really interesting argument because I can make little cards that say, I can buy a bunch of white card stock and autograph them, and I can get a million of them, and I can say, who wants to buy them? | ||
| And people will buy them? | ||
| For a dollar each and then I make a million dollars? | ||
| If you've got the network and the influence, is that a security? | ||
| No. | ||
| You're not getting anything from the company. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is an area of law, actually. | ||
| I took securities regulation in 3L when you stop paying attention because your job's already settled at that point. | ||
| My knowledge of securities regulation is actually fairly weak. | ||
| Theoretically, making a million tokens is just a digital object, and you can make it and you can sell it. | ||
| It's a matter of what they call ICO, initial coin offering. | ||
| That's when they'd spin up a million and then they'd sell 500,000 of them. | ||
| The issue is if the coins have a function for the business, I suppose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If they're utilities, then they're not securities. | ||
| This is my rudimentary understanding. | ||
| I don't know if it's real or not. | ||
| As a lawyer, I have no idea. | ||
| Maybe we're in too deep, you guys. | ||
| But OK, so my thoughts on crypto. | ||
| I don't like the government spying on us. | ||
| I don't like it knowing or people with guns knowing every move that I'm making. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| But I also, I, so in that sense, I support Monero, but I see the danger in the, uh, of, of not being able to keep an eye on dangerous activity. | ||
| But I also value, I want everyone to have their own crypto that you can, you can use my crypto to buy my services with a discount. | ||
| So there'll create inherent value. | ||
| You know, my behavior creates inherent value for my crypto. | ||
| And then we have an unlimited supply, but it's also limited because you know how many there will ever be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, I used to, because the reason I argue so much about this is because I used to be a hardcore libertarian. | ||
| Like, I bought gold. | ||
| I was into the, you know, in 2008 or something and made money on the trade, even though I was wrong about the reason why it went up. | ||
| And so, you know, I look back and I'm not even sure, you know, I think a lot about, I've thought a lot about currency generally, not necessarily crypto itself, but currency more broadly. | ||
| And, you know, there's real benefits to having a reserve currency as a country and being the beneficiaries of this, right? | ||
| The way to think about it is China basically is subsidizing so much of what we do and you know as is the rest of the world the fact that we can just print immense amounts of money and I mean we're gonna see some inflation but not like have the currency collapse into a heap and why doesn't it do that well it's needed to pay tribute to them you know by 300 million of the wealthiest people in the world to pay tribute to the most powerful institution in the world and so my opinion I think Bitcoin will go to a million bucks I think, you know, Max Keiser has said his target for this year is like $220,000. | ||
| If I had listened to Max Keiser in 2012, I'd be a billionaire right now. | ||
| I'm not exaggerating. | ||
| I'm literally not exaggerating. | ||
| Billionaire. | ||
| Bitcoin was trading at less than a dollar. | ||
| Yeah, I remember. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I remember seeing the early days of Bitcoin. | ||
| There was a period where, 2011, you could have spent 10 grand and it would have made you a billionaire in 10 years. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I asked a dude, like, where do I get it? | ||
| It was 2011, I think, and we were playing poker. | ||
| And he's like, you got to write down your key on a piece of paper. | ||
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I was like, what? | |
| I remember those days. | ||
| What if it gets burnt or I lose it? | ||
| He's like, then you lose all your bitcoins. | ||
| I was like, they're worth 70 cents, dude. | ||
| I'm not messing with you. | ||
| It was so difficult to buy. | ||
| That was one of the issues, too. | ||
| Back in 2011, my famous story when my friend talked me out of buying. | ||
| He did. | ||
| But it was easy to talk me out of it because I didn't even know how to buy it. | ||
| I'm on these forums and they're willing to sell Bitcoin. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, you're in Nebraska. | ||
| I'm in LA. | ||
| Like, I don't even know. | ||
| So I was like, whatever. | ||
| There's a thing called the Bitcoin Faucet that was giving out, I think, .05 of a Bitcoin every 15 minutes. | ||
| And so I was just, like, hitting the button. | ||
| And I had, like, 1.5 Bitcoin just from this thing. | ||
| And it was worth less than a dollar. | ||
| And I was like, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, at the time, everybody thought they had better ways to spend their time. | ||
| Now that would be $60,000. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I mean, like, and that's where, I mean, on the other hand, I'm not, you know, I'll candidly admit, like, I got that trade wrong. | ||
| That would have been great to get in on the early Bitcoin trade as a speculative matter. | ||
| See, here's what you don't understand. | ||
| I've been through that loop probably 10 times. | ||
| When I saw it at $0.70, and then it hit $1, I was like, A dollar? | ||
| Man, I should have bought. | ||
| Then I saw it hit $5,000. | ||
| I was like, oh! | ||
| Then I saw it hit $15,000. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Then $20,000. | ||
| Then $50,000. | ||
| Then $100,000. | ||
| Then $200,000. | ||
| Then $500,000. | ||
| Then $1,000,000. | ||
| And every single time, I said, if only I bought then. | ||
| If only I bought then. | ||
| And I remember when it hit $1,700, I was like, you know what? | ||
| It was an all-time high. | ||
| I was like, I'm buying it. | ||
| Because I know it's going to happen. | ||
| It's going to go up. | ||
| I'm going to say, if only I bought again. | ||
| And I bought a small amount. | ||
| And then I forgot about it. | ||
| And then I just went out with my daily business. | ||
| And then I remember when it hit. | ||
| Because it was at... I bought it at $1,700. | ||
| It went up to like $13,000 in November. | ||
| I bought a little bit more. | ||
| I was like, oh well, you know, it looks like I got a little bit in my wallet. | ||
| Whatever, I ignored it. | ||
| Then when it hit $40,000 within like three months, I was like, where's that phone? | ||
| And I'm like looking for the account and then I found it. | ||
| And I was like, I'm sure glad I bought. | ||
| Peter Schiff has been anti-Bitcoin forever. | ||
| Yeah, he's also been pro-gold and he's been wrong about a lot of things. | ||
| But it's funny that it's like Bitcoin hits, you know, 100 bucks and he's like, | ||
| ah, this is nothing. And now he's still complaining about it because it fell 30% | ||
| to $40,000. And he's like, you see the thing about Bitcoin? | ||
| I'm like, bro, I'm sorry, dude. | ||
| You want to complain about Bitcoin? It's at Do you think I'm upset that it fell to $40,000? | ||
| Do you think most of the people who've been active in the crypto space are crying right now? | ||
| There's a dude who, like, sold his house to buy a bunch of Bitcoin, and this was four years ago. | ||
| Bitcoin was at $1,700. | ||
| And he's still actively like, woo, this is great! | ||
| Because it is a new technology. | ||
| And imagine if you bought Apple stock, you know, before the iPod came out. | ||
| You would be very happy after the iPod. | ||
| It's not the same thing. | ||
| I totally get your point. | ||
| I like investing in functional things like companies. | ||
| It makes a lot of sense. | ||
| You're hoping the company continues to be functional. | ||
| Right, like there's always the risk that the company stops making something people want, you know, or just has some business problems. | ||
| So it's a different kind of investment. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is a different kind of investment. | ||
| Bitcoin is first in and best dressed. | ||
| It is decentralized and extremely difficult, if not impossible, to Control the network now Elon of course can screw with it, but a lot of people think he's the one who caused this massive sell-off It's actually tax season, and he probably knew that which is why he made his move I don't know why he made his move, but you see people throughout the year especially when Bitcoin went from 13 to $64,000 probably cashed out a little bit and went and partied | ||
| Tax season comes up, you gotta pay the IRS when they're like, hey, where'd you get that $15,000 from? | ||
| Oh, I cashed out some Bitcoin. | ||
| Okay, well, you gotta pay 30%. | ||
| Oh, let me sell some Bitcoin to pay you off. | ||
| That caused a huge sell-off. | ||
| Now, here's what happened. | ||
| Bitcoin dropped down to, I think, $29,800, and then almost in a split second jumped right back up to $35,000. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because there was a whale waiting with a program preset. | ||
| The moment Bitcoin hits $30,000, you put in millions of dollars. | ||
| Someone noticed $750 million move off of exchanges around this time. | ||
| Somebody became a multi-billionaire in that sell-off. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, you know, that's, you know, but I mean, I guess like that sort of trading logic applies to any sort of security. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Ever, right? | ||
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| And so, I mean, the question is this, is this like a really going to be valuable thing or is this going to be tulips, right? | ||
| I think we're at 10 years. | ||
| It's been around for, I think, 13 years, Bitcoin? | ||
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| And so it's continually climbed. | ||
| It's been adopted by some of the wealthiest financial institutions on the planet. | ||
| You know, one of the things that really got me is when it was at 70 cents, I'm like, nobody uses this. | ||
| Why am I going to be confident in something nobody uses? | ||
| Now, when I got to 20 bucks, you had an old Magic the Gathering website, Mt. | ||
| Gox. | ||
| It was M-T-G-O-X-Y. | ||
| It was Magic the Gathering Online Exchange. | ||
| And then when this guy was like, Bitcoin's a thing, he started calling it Mount Gux. | ||
| Like, it's actually a mountain. | ||
| It's like, he's rebranding to sell Bitcoin. | ||
| Well, that went belly up. | ||
| I lost Bitcoin there. | ||
| It got hacked, right? | ||
| Yeah, BTC, or I don't know what happened, but BTC goes belly up. | ||
| I lost some Bitcoin there. | ||
| But they still, I didn't care. | ||
| They weren't worth that much, and it wasn't heavily adopted. | ||
| Then the Winklevoss twins were like, we're gonna put in, what did they put in, like hundreds of millions of dollars. | ||
| Then you see a bunch of financial institutions finally say, we're gonna start offering these portfolios. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| I really don't think these financial institutions will let themselves lose the money. | ||
| So they'll resist. | ||
| They'll probably manipulate. | ||
| Like Elon Musk does. | ||
| So that's why a lot of people buy Dogecoin. | ||
| A lot of dumb people sold. | ||
| I'm not telling anybody what to do, no financial advice here. | ||
| But Elon is pumping Doge. | ||
| He wants to get rich off of Pumping Doge, in my opinion. | ||
| And so... These whales, these high-profile individuals of 55 million followers, are gonna be manipulated playing that game. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, you know, I think housing crisis, right? | ||
| Like nobody thought the housing market would go down. | ||
| Nobody thought that the banks would get, you know, lose any money to the housing crisis. | ||
| And surely nobody thought Lehman Brothers would go under, you know, I don't know. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Bitcoin could end tomorrow, I suppose. | ||
| I just, the bigger risk, I suppose, is that it's young. | ||
| People have confidence in gold because they've been born into confidence in gold. | ||
| I mean, I think it's silly to have confidence in gold, frankly, too. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| I think that it's just a thing. | ||
| And Bitcoin won't end. | ||
| Looking at it as a monetary value is wrong. | ||
| It's not wrong. | ||
| It's just 1% of the way there, short-sighted. | ||
| It's the functionality of the technology that's changing everything about the way we interact as humans. | ||
| And it will continue to do so as we Become more cybernetic, you know, more attached to these devices. | ||
| I can trade and make millions of dollars in a split second now. | ||
| To put it simply, this was something that, this could maybe be a meme, but people are pointing out the cost, the energy cost for the financial system that exists today is like 40% more than the energy cost of maintaining Bitcoin. | ||
| Just Bitcoin. | ||
| Right, but it just strikes me as, you know, couldn't you out-compete Bitcoin with one that was less energy. Yeah, absolutely, | ||
| right? | ||
| Yeah, you know just like silver is a better conductor than gold and we can use silver for certain things | ||
| But we typically hold them as stores of value. There's going to be more cryptocurrencies. There was a super chat | ||
| We'll read more but someone mentioned that dogecoin is actually stable because it has a standard 2% inflation per | ||
| year I don't know if that's true. But people are saying that | ||
| basically means yeah, I slowly go up. I have no you know I have no idea. | ||
| I don't invest in crypto. | ||
| No financial advice. | ||
| I'm excited for it. | ||
| I wouldn't call myself a doomer, but I'm a skeptic. | ||
| Would you guys inject a cryptocurrency into you to control machines? | ||
| There's a patent for monitoring your body levels or something. | ||
| It's a Microsoft patent. | ||
| Creepy! | ||
| 06 06 06 something like that. Yeah, you either eat it or you inject it | ||
| You put a tattoo on and it can measure you if you're looking at a commercial | ||
| It can tell that you're seeing that commercial and then it'll pay you crypto for watching it | ||
| Creepy dude, and you're gonna be able to turn your machines on from a distance like with would you do it? | ||
| Because you're gonna be tracked you're gonna be able to turn your electricity on in your home | ||
| The moment you walk in your home home without having to call a company as you wake up. | ||
| You don't need to start for you. | ||
| You're not going to need to send in your identification or anything. | ||
| You're going to literally walk in and you're going to scan. | ||
| It's going to get your address and it's going to know it's going to be able | ||
| to walk into your friend's house and power their stuff while you're there | ||
| like contribute to their network. | ||
| Sure, but like you can kind of already do some of that, right? | ||
| I don't know, like, I just got a new apartment and there's, like, literally I can control my whole apartment from my phone. | ||
| I can Venmo my friend. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Which is basically, like, the rudimentary beginnings of contributing, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| The issue is, it's decentralized. | ||
| Decentralization is epic. | ||
| We need more of it. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I think there's positives and negatives. All right, well, let's jump to a new story then. | ||
| PolitiFact has archived a fact check. They have rebunked the lab leak hypothesis. | ||
| Archived fact check. Tucker Carlson Guest airs debunked conspiracy theory that COVID-19 | ||
| was created in a lab. | ||
| Interesting, they have an editor's note from May 17th, 2021. | ||
| The great rebunking, they say. | ||
| When this fact-check was first published in September 2020, PolitiFact sources included researchers who asserted the SARS-CoV-2 virus could not have been manipulated. | ||
| That assertion is now more widely disputed. | ||
| For that reason, we are removing this fact check from our database pending a more thorough review. | ||
| Currently, we consider the claim to be unsupported by evidence and in dispute. | ||
| The original fact check in its entirety is preserved below for transparency and archival purposes. | ||
| Read our May 2021 report for more information. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| What they're basically saying is they published fake news based on some guy's opinion. | ||
| Let me stress, they say, researchers who asserted PolitiFact, can we change your name to PolitOpinion? | ||
| Because having some guys come on and say, here's what I think, is not fact-checking, it's opinion-checking. | ||
| I could pull the opinion out of the ass of some homeless guy in my alley, who says that he thinks it's not true, and I can publish it on my website. | ||
| How about I do that? | ||
| I don't know who these researchers are. | ||
| This is what annoys me about the mainstream media. | ||
| Our opinion, guys, are facts. | ||
| Your opinion, guys, are wrong. | ||
| That's the name of the game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you don't have total contempt for the New York Times or the Washington Post yet, I don't know what it would take. | ||
| One of the weird things about facts is they can be wrong. | ||
| Like, a fact can be not right. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like, if you say, the sky is red, that is a fact. | ||
| That is a factual statement. | ||
| It is not correct. | ||
| It's a faux fact. | ||
| It is also wrong, but it's not an opinion. | ||
| It's a statement of fact that is not right. | ||
| That's actually a good point. | ||
| And I think you understand this. | ||
| You have to make a statement of fact in order to be sued for defamation. | ||
| It's a false statement of fact. | ||
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| But it has to be legally considered a statement of fact. | ||
| There's a factual statement in this context, though, right? | ||
| So this is clearly susceptible to fact-checking, right? | ||
| Like, did the virus come from a lab or not? | ||
| I think the real question is, would it be a conspiracy theory? | ||
| And I would argue that it couldn't be a conspiracy theory because there's no conspiracy theorized, right? | ||
| Well, not just that. | ||
| When this story came out, it was a, is it possible? | ||
| No one said it is. | ||
| Well, a lot of people said it was, but like in media, in conservative media, in independent media, they were saying interesting, interesting. | ||
| And the reason for it, like right when the story broke, I even talked about it before there was anything happening in the U.S. | ||
| because the Wuhan Institute was right next to the wet market. | ||
| So everybody was like, yo, And you don't, you don't have to say, you don't have to think there's like some colluding Chinese scientist deciding to, you know, evil and unleash this virus on everybody. | ||
| You could be like, somebody made a mistake. | ||
| That's not a conspiracy theory, right? | ||
| You know, if one person could have done something, it's not a conspiracy, right? | ||
| I always said this about that. | ||
| I think I told you this joke or before, like people would say the Notre Dame, the idea that Notre Dame burned because of arson. | ||
| Oh, that's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| No, one person can burn down a building. | ||
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| Right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Could have been an accident, could have been... Intentional, whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this is the problem with today's media, is that if it doesn't fit the narrative and they want power, they will immediately assert opinion as fact and get away with it. | ||
| It's also, they see their jobs totally wrong. | ||
| You know, it's literally just since Trump. | ||
| Since Trump, they've seen their jobs no longer as, like, discovering truth, but rather policing heresy, right? | ||
| So, here's a weird fact. | ||
| Did you know that, like, at the turn of the century, there... Okay, here's the question. | ||
| What do you think the most popular major was at the turn of the 20th century? | ||
| The most popular what? | ||
| Major in college. | ||
| What do you think people graduated in the most? | ||
| Folklore and mythology. | ||
| Close enough. | ||
| Theology. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There's always going to be a market for mediocre intellects who can do nothing but point and say something doesn't fit conventional wisdom. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we have to do something with those people. | ||
| And in the turn of the century, you know, the received wisdom meant that they would all be theology majors policing heresy. | ||
| Now they're all journalists policing conspiracy theories. | ||
| Everything's a conspiracy, even when one person does it. | ||
| Because conspiracy theory just means story we don't agree with. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| But I have to stress, PolitiFact did no research on this. | ||
| None whatsoever. | ||
| They get an opinion, and some guy goes, in my opinion, I think it's not true. | ||
| Debunked! | ||
| We have officially debunked a conspiracy theory by getting a guy with an opinion to say it wasn't true. | ||
| Well, there are scientists who have tons of opinions on, like, string theory or M-theory or whatever, and they probably don't agree with each other on the math. | ||
| Which one's the conspiracy? | ||
| Whichever one the corporations dictate. | ||
| So here, I got a bunch of sources for you. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| You may have heard that Rand Paul questioned Fauci about gain-of-function research. | ||
| Newsweek reported on this. | ||
| We've talked about it with Luke when he was here. | ||
| Gain-of-function research. | ||
| I think Luke took a more... | ||
| apocalyptic view of it, where it was like to make, you know, Luke was saying to make the virus as crazy as possible. | ||
| Gain-of-function involves, yes, increasing virility or something, but not always to make it the most lethal. | ||
| Right, you know, it doesn't mean you're going from 0 to 100. | ||
| Maybe you're going from 10 to 15, you know. | ||
| Or 10 to 11, like, what if it was, like, if this evolves in this way, how do we deal with it in this way? | ||
| And so, yes, there was funding that went to gain-of-function research. | ||
| Fauci lied. | ||
| In this testimony, even Politifex says, well, there was funding from the U.S. | ||
| to Wuhan's lab for gain-of-function research, and now the story is like maybe the lab-like thing is possible. | ||
| Let me pull up some of these things I pulled up. | ||
| So we got this. | ||
| This is from April 28, 2020. | ||
| NIH cancels funding for bat coronavirus research project. | ||
| The abrupt termination comes after the research drew President Trump's attention for its ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. | ||
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| NIH was providing funding for bat coronavirus research at Wuhan's Institute of Virology. | ||
| That's where the bat coronavirus came from. | ||
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This is... Well, we don't... It came from a mile away from that place, right? | |
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Like, across the street. | ||
| So this is TheScientist.com, a NewsGuard certified source, 100 of 100, and I use this because if it's wrong, don't get mad at me. | ||
| NewsGuard said it is the cream of the crop, the best of the best, and they reported this a year before. | ||
| We have this story from February 25th, 2019. | ||
| Human error in high biocontainment labs, a likely pandemic threat. | ||
| Incidents causing potential exposure to pathogens frequently in high-security labs. | ||
| You get the point. | ||
| They talk about a bunch of stories It's not necessarily about Wuhan. | ||
| The point is the the likelihood of a lab leak Potentially high they say human error and high is a likely pandemic threat So is it possible that a pathogen leak from a lab according to the bulletin org? | ||
| I don't know if it's like the bastion of those was not news guard certified. | ||
| They said they were they reported in 2019 it was When we go over to the Washington Post, fact-checking the Paul Fauci flap over Wuhan lab funding, this is where it gets funny because they start playing games. | ||
| Well, it's not really gain-of-reap function. | ||
| It's overly verbose. | ||
| The grant was more like dark money. | ||
| It wasn't specifically for, you know, bat coronavirus. | ||
| You sound like Fauci. | ||
| Yeah, it was huge. | ||
| You know, when you said he lied, I would be like, he was misleading. | ||
| No, he lied. | ||
| I don't know, I mean, because like, from my understanding is that he defines gain-of-function research in a very narrow and lawyerly way. | ||
| That, that's, I'm sorry, that's lying. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How does he, do you know how he defines it? | ||
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| We have never, I'm, with all due respect, you are wrong. | ||
| We have never provided funding for gain-of-function research. | ||
| And then you have PolitiFact. | ||
| Yes, they did gain-of-function research. | ||
| But Fauci's arguing semantics. | ||
| You know, pharma got a lot of shit from everybody for a really long time. | ||
| And, you know, our public health authorities were always held in extremely high esteem. | ||
| Like, if you actually looked at that, right? | ||
| What are people's opinion of the NIH, CDC, versus what are the people's opinion of pharma companies? | ||
| NIH looks like it probably caused the pandemic and killed a few million people, or has a role. | ||
| I think the lab leak hypothesis is right. | ||
| And if not NIH, then institutional public health, right? | ||
| And pharma companies solved it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Did you see the video from the White House where they're all hugging and kissing and like no one's wearing any masks? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| That's new. | ||
| And so I tweeted the pandemic was over somewhat facetiously. | ||
| YouTube, chill. | ||
| I'm making a point that the White House, nobody was doing anything. | ||
| And I mean, so there we go. | ||
| I mean, the taxes in Florida have lifted restrictions, obviously, a while ago. | ||
| And now I was recently watching there's a CNN segment with Fauci and Chris Cuomo. | ||
| And Cuomo was like, why aren't there vaccine passports? | ||
| And Fauci said, because we can't force people to get the vaccine. | ||
| So that means, if the guideline is if you're vaccinated, you're okay, take your mask off, and these businesses can choose what they want to do, what else is left? | ||
| People who don't want to get it aren't going to get it. | ||
| But I will mention one thing that's really hilarious. | ||
| How does it make sense that if you get the vaccine, you can still get sick, but you'll be asymptomatic like Bill Maher was recently? | ||
| So you'll be able to give people COVID, right? | ||
| That's not my understanding of the latest sciences that suggest that it's very not transmissible by people who've been vaccinated. | ||
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| Then I will stop right there and say, all right, makes sense. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So then why should people who aren't vaccinated wear masks? | ||
| Who aren't vaccinated wear masks? | ||
| So that other people who aren't vaccinated don't get sick. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, at this point, that, yeah, I think you're right, that there's, that's kind of a weird argument to be making. | ||
| In general, I think once, you know, once, you know, mask wearing before was a public health measure because there's no other measure available at all to, like, deal with spread. | ||
| But, like, once everybody has a personal choice about whether to be vaccinated or not, the value of masks... | ||
| You know what's really irksome? | ||
| What? | ||
| The lab leak hypothesis was published last year by the Washington Post. | ||
| And that was really the first time I saw it. | ||
| There was also stories from the Daily Mail and a few others that were asking these questions. | ||
| And immediately, very left-leaning Democrat media said it's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| PolitiFact, for instance, is extremely positive. | ||
| Everyone who did that should be out of a job in a properly functioning media environment. | ||
| Every one of those journalists, that would be like... Because, like, think about, are there more important... How many more important questions are there than, how did the pandemic that killed three million people start? | ||
| Right? | ||
| And you went out there and you said the theory that actually looks like the most prominent was impossible and a debunked conspiracy theory? | ||
| Based on opinion. | ||
| Quit! | ||
| Go be a barista. | ||
| Do something else. | ||
| Go be a barista. | ||
| You're not a journalist anymore. | ||
| livelihoods destroyed in it like people that would talk about it online would get shut down right like lost revenue | ||
| and things I Agree with you. Yeah, go be a barista. You're not a | ||
| journalist anymore like you you're a journalist Maybe we need like professional licensing for journalists | ||
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in the same way that we have I wonder now lawyers I'll say this. | |
| Anybody out there who knows anybody who had a strike or was taken down or suspended for talking about LabLeak should file a lawsuit against PolitiFact. | ||
| There's real damages there. | ||
| Yeah, actual damages for defamation, right? | ||
| Although, I mean, since it probably, you know, they would say they weren't intentionally lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Reckless disregard for the truth by claiming that an opinion of a researcher was a fact. | ||
| Look, James O'Keefe won that New York Times motion to dismiss. | ||
| He won the motion to dismiss. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is where the judge said, if you're gonna insert opinions, you have to say it's an opinion. | ||
| That makes sense to me. | ||
| We'll see where it goes from there. | ||
| But at least he got to that point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you can't just, I think it's defeatist to be like, well, they'll probably say no. | ||
| Well, I'll file it anyway. | ||
| You have to be able to allege malice, right? | ||
| Or reckless disregard. | ||
| But reckless disregard has a technical meaning, and that's ultimately going to be like conscious disregard, right? | ||
| And proving that's always going to be very challenging. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But you've got to fight. | ||
| You've got to fight. | ||
| And the O'Keefe case has the unique thing of they have the timestamp of when the emails were sent and the impossibility of comment. | ||
| Well, you know, we just don't control the media. | ||
| asserting the problem of asserting males. | ||
| So all these news outlets started lying. | ||
| YouTube just agreed with the liars and then negatively impacted people. | ||
| And now they're all starting to come around. | ||
| Why is it that conservatives just buckle so easily? | ||
| Well, you know, we just don't control the media. | ||
| And it'd be really nice if we did. | ||
| Yeah, the media became more and more left leaning and maybe it'll change, you know, | ||
| Daily Wire's doing particularly well. | ||
| We need to overturn New York Times v. Sullivan. | ||
| It's too hard to prove defamation. | ||
| The intent standard that we've talked about, malice, is way... because it means you have to prove someone's state of mind when they lie. | ||
| Wouldn't it be more reasonable to just be able to allege defamation, file a suit, say to a judge, here's the fact that they got wrong and proof, and if it's true, the judge can say, issue a correction? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also, I mean, think about it from the perspective of, like, what is defamation, right? | ||
| Defamation is you've said something that's injured someone else's reputation. | ||
| Well, the person whose reputation is injured is an innocent victim who had nothing to do with it, right? | ||
| You just talked about them and lied about them. | ||
| And said something false about them that hurt them, that did them damage. | ||
| Maybe you should just be liable for that. | ||
| Maybe we shouldn't look at whether or not you knew you were lying. | ||
| Or maybe we just have a lower standard of negligence. | ||
| If you didn't take reasonable care and you said something about someone that was false and did them damage, you should pay for it. | ||
| Is it so hard for the New York Times to just put, apologies, we were wrong about this? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or, God forbid, they have a process where their editors ensure that whenever they make factual statements about someone that could injure their reputation, they take reasonable care. | ||
| They act like reasonable journalists. | ||
| The standard shouldn't be, did the New York Times knowingly lie? | ||
| The standard should be, did the New York Times take reasonable care? | ||
| What we do is we put the burden on the, uh, the plaintiff so that, but we get rid of that standard. | ||
| So basically make it so that you have to show the court what you perceive to be defamation and evidence to support that, that it's what they said was demonstrably false. | ||
| Only after those two criteria are met, then the person being sued has to respond. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of the way it works now, right? | ||
| You have to, you know, allege. | ||
| I mean, like, go a step forward in actually presenting your case of, like, here's proof to state that it's an incorrect statement. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, usually that's done. | ||
| That's the easy part of defamation, right? | ||
| Usually when you bring a defamation case, you have that evidence. | ||
| And honestly, like, you probably have to do that. | ||
| And then if so like if I said something and then someone filed a suit against me and said | ||
| he said you know x equals y but you know actually it's x equals z then my response is just here's an | ||
| article from the New York Times you know or whatever here's the evidence backing that up | ||
| would that be sufficient? I mean it would be again probably because you have to show that are you did | ||
| you take reasonable care right like in And what reasonable care is going to look like is probably developed through judges, but we know what it looks like in the context of journalism. | ||
| Did you research the claim? | ||
| Did you try and verify it was true or false? | ||
| Did you make a good faith effort to do so? | ||
| If yes, then probably don't. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It is tough. | ||
| It's a lot better than, can you prove that I knew I was lying or that I consciously disregarded The problem now is the New York Times can lie, PolitiFact can lie, and you cannot do anything about it, and it gets put into the record. | ||
| It gets put into a historical record, an encyclopedia, and then people end up believing insane BS. | ||
| And that's not the way it was in this country before New York Times v. Sullivan, which constitutionalized, right? | ||
| Before that, there was libel law in every state. | ||
| It totally coexisted with the First Amendment. | ||
| That's not—except until, like, the Warren court decided, no, we're going to eviscerate state-level libel law and impose new federal rules. | ||
| And then, it's not the way it is in other countries, too, right? | ||
| Like, in Europe, especially in England, like, blah blah blah sounds a lot more like what I talked about, where the standard is not, dude, can you prove they said something false, but rather, like, did you take reasonable care? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm concerned, like, if YouTubers smack-talk each other, that one will get busted. | ||
| If we repeal Times v. Sullivan, which I don't actually know, what is it exactly, Times v. Sullivan? | ||
| So, Times v. Sullivan is the case that sets the standard for intent in the defamation case. | ||
| And that's distinct from what you're talking about. | ||
| Like, when you're smack-talking, that could be, like, opinion, hyperbole. | ||
| Like, if it's not intentionally meant as true, then it's not something that could be defamatory in the first place, right? | ||
| It has to be, like, a false statement, you know, put forward for its truth. | ||
| I don't know if I got that exactly right. | ||
| Opinions would still be protected. | ||
| Opinions would still be protected. | ||
| The question is, like, once you've demonstrated that somebody said something false about you, What do you have to prove about their state of mind, right? | ||
| And if the standard is actual malice, you have to prove not only that they said something false, but that they knew it was false when they said it. | ||
| Or that they had what's called reckless disregard for the truth, but that reckless does a lot of work. | ||
| You have to prove like conscious knowledge of or conscious disregard of things they should have done. | ||
| Potentially in the James O'Keefe case in the New York Times. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They didn't even bother calling the people to, like, fact-check. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They just said, James O'Keefe is lying. | ||
| It's like, well, did you actually look into that? | ||
| No. | ||
| How do you know he's lying? | ||
| We don't. | ||
| That might get reversed on appeal. | ||
| You know, like, that's just one state court judge. | ||
| You know, we don't know if that ultimately proves it. | ||
| Whereas, again, negligence is very common throughout tort law, and that's not intent. | ||
| Like, you can just be negligent if you didn't take reasonable care. | ||
| So if we repeal Times v. Solvent, could you be negligent and not be held responsible? | ||
| Well, if we repeal Times v. Sullivan, Times v. Sullivan set a federal rule for what the intent standard had to be in defamation cases. | ||
| Repealing it means, okay, now we're back to state by state, themselves figuring out what the rule should be in defamation cases. | ||
| And if I'm in Texas, using a YouTube video, whose headquarters is in California, talking about someone in North Dakota, then are all three states involved? | ||
| Welcome to choice of law! | ||
| Like, that's actually a very com—this is not, you know, defamation's not the only area of law. | ||
| There are obviously areas of law—contract law, for example. | ||
| where most things aren't, where things aren't federalized in civil litigation. | ||
| And so oftentimes a question comes up of, which state's law do you choose to apply? | ||
| And so that's very complicated. | ||
| And each state has their own, here's another, really, really been around. | ||
| Each state has their own laws about how to choose which law applies in their courts. | ||
| Well, Texas and Florida's social media laws will be interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, so that actually is an interesting example of, I mean, not quite in the social litigation, | ||
| in the civil litigation context but uh... maybe | ||
| I But yeah, like, different states have different laws, and, you know, people will find ways to | ||
| Especially, like, one thing that happens, I mean, in almost every business contract, if you sign or a lease, you'll notice that there's a choice of law clause in those leases. | ||
| You sign for an apartment that says this contract will be governed by the law of the District of Columbia or whatever, right? | ||
| Like, that's, you know, because that's a smart thing to include because it eliminates that dispute. | ||
| You can contractually agree to which state's law applies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, defamation is probably one of the most pressing problems that we're facing right now, especially in cultural politics and politics. | ||
| The record as it stands over the past 10 years is fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Which record? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Well, a lot of it, yeah. | ||
| Because the paper of record was putting out fake news, so the record is fake. | ||
| The New York Times has put out a ton of fake news. | ||
| Like, they won awards for it. | ||
| Dude, we've lived in the age of obfuscation. | ||
| There's so many... It's a dark age. | ||
| It really has become kind of, there's so much light that it is blinding us and we can't see, so we might as well be in the dark. | ||
| I mean, before they screwed up, but at least they tried. | ||
| You know, the New York Times got rid of its public editor. | ||
| I mean, they got rid of their copy editors. | ||
| Do they even have fact checkers anymore? | ||
| I mean, I assume so, but... Remember when you used to get a phone call from a fact-checker and they're like, hi, my name's John, I'm a fact-checker with the New York Times? | ||
| Yeah, I got one from the New Yorker a while back. | ||
| The New Yorker doesn't. | ||
| Yeah, they still do it. | ||
| Maybe it's just too expensive to do, and so whatever, just let your activist journalist say whatever they want. | ||
| I think it was the New Yorker that put out a fake story about me. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| to quotes together to make a totally out of context quote. | ||
| So basically what happened was a story I told was offensive to some people who then threatened I guess I don't know | ||
| what happened I think they threatened a lawsuit to the New Yorker just wrote what they wanted them to write. And so | ||
| then they the New Yorker accused me of giving them erroneous statements which is obviously false. | ||
| What happened was a guy at the New Yorker took two different stories and combined two quotes into one with like a space. | ||
| So it sounded like two separate sentences from 50 Minutes Apart was one sentence. | ||
| Totally changing the context of what I had said. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then obviously when the other individuals involved in the story saw that it was lying and making them look bad, | ||
| which I never said, they told them that's not true, I never said that. | ||
| So then instead of taking responsibility, they said Tim Pool provided erroneous statements. | ||
| So then I called and said, no I didn't, and the journalist told me to go screw myself, he wouldn't correct it. | ||
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| And it was funny because the issue was the person that I was, the story I was telling | ||
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| involved a massive corporation who scared the New Yorker. | ||
| They weren't scared of just one guy. | ||
| So they ultimately just told me to screw off. | ||
| Yeah, evil, evil people. | ||
| Evil. | ||
| Evil. | ||
| I have so little time for modern journalism. | ||
| It's so, it's so terrible. | ||
| It's just, it's maybe the most endlessly frustrating. | ||
| It's like, because every day you see a news article and every day you're like, oh, another, you know, at best misleading article from... | ||
| It's a big part of why I am concerned with cancel culture and canceling, because in an age of propaganda, you need to have access to be able to speak who you are, and so people can see it from the mouth. | ||
| And the same people policing everybody for misinformation and heresy are the same people... I mean, I had a talk with a journalist the other day, and they were talking about how no misinformation is a real threat, and I'm like, You realize that your outlets put forward a theory that a billionaire real estate magnate turned president was really secretly a Russian agent. | ||
| Think about that for two seconds. | ||
| That would get laughed out of a Hollywood plot. | ||
| And yet that took hold of the liberal media for three years and was promulgated by all the reputable media outlets. | ||
| It's a total joke. | ||
| And we have the First Amendment in this country. | ||
| In general, the things that should be protected are statements of opinion about the news. | ||
| Like, it's one thing to say, like, I mean, I think we should be much stricter when it comes to defamatory content, i.e. | ||
| you say something false about a person that hurts them, that injures them, you should be held liable for it. | ||
| Let's play a game. | ||
| Are you in a public debate? | ||
| Wild West. | ||
| Let's play a game. | ||
| Andrew Marantz of the New York Times. | ||
| I know Andrew. | ||
| I'm sorry, of the New Yorker. | ||
| Mishmashed two quotes of mine from two different, it was a one long story with different chapters per se. | ||
| And he took one quote and one quote and he mashed them together. | ||
| It was about Vice. | ||
| Vice took issue with the statement provided. | ||
| So in order to avoid My response. | ||
| Morantz, or someone, added to the article, quote, An earlier version of this article included a quotation | ||
| from Tim Pool concerning Vice News' coverage in Ferguson. The quotation has been removed | ||
| because it contained several errors. | ||
| That's vague. | ||
| It sounds like the errors were mine. | ||
| It was a quotation provided with errors in it. | ||
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That's clever. | |
| The quotation was theirs. | ||
| Andrew Marantz wrote a fake story because, in my opinion, he's a liar who realized he could make a salacious, juicy story by mashing quotes together for the New Yorker, and the New Yorker published fake news. | ||
| And I'll add one more to it. | ||
| There's another story from the New Yorker, which they pressured us and tried to publish fake news, and they embellished this most insane story about me and my friend. | ||
| We get a call from a fact checker, and they're asking us outrageous, stupid things. | ||
| And I'm like, all of these are exaggerations. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, come on, come on. | ||
| They're asking me, you sleep in a closet, don't you? | ||
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What? | |
| And I was like, no, it's a boxcar. | ||
| You know the box, the railway apartments in New York, where it's like you gotta walk through one room to get to the next? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's like a closet. | ||
| And I was like, it has a window. | ||
| No, no, no, but you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, it's like a closet. | ||
| I was like, sure, it's like a closet, I guess. | ||
| Or something to that effect. | ||
| That's the New Yorker. | ||
| They write fake news. | ||
| Andrew Marantz is a liar. | ||
| Do not trust him. | ||
| He writes fake stories and he will smear you. | ||
| Statement of fact. | ||
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Wait. | |
| Here's what Morantz wrote about me in his book. | ||
| Let's see here. | ||
| Talking to Chamberlain about politics felt a bit like talking to a young Earth creationist | ||
| about dinosaurs. | ||
| I considered some of his core beliefs, for example that Donald Trump should be trusted | ||
| with a nuclear arsenal, to be irrational, almost to the point of incomprehensibility. | ||
| But once we had agreed to disagree on a few core premises, we could start to have a conversation. | ||
| His goal the whole time was to pretend that because he had access, he was writing the | ||
| Instead what he did was, he came to my apartment, and I thought he recorded the whole thing. | ||
| And I was like, excellent. | ||
| And so the story was very simple. | ||
| I said, on one night I did X, on another night I did X and they did Y. He combined those to make it seem like Vice failed to do something on a particular night, which resulted in a failure for the company. | ||
| I can't get into too much of the specifics, you can read the story, I suppose. | ||
| Vice got mad about it. | ||
| They were like, that's bullshit. | ||
| That never happened. | ||
| And so... | ||
| And he wouldn't correct. | ||
| That's so embarrassing. | ||
| Well, you see what they wrote. | ||
| You see what he wrote. | ||
| It contained errors. | ||
| He didn't say they're very, they're, they're Weasley. | ||
| This is what the media does. | ||
| Do not trust these organizations. | ||
| Take a look at, uh, there was, man, I don't want to get too much into it. | ||
| Take a look at what Lauren Southern has been posting about the smear piece about her. | ||
| They're, they're, they're, I, I, I am surprised how often these conservative personalities | ||
| are like, these journalists are cool. | ||
| I trust them. | ||
| I trust them. | ||
| Why? | ||
| They're going to lie about you. | ||
| Do not give them money. | ||
| It's like what they say with the police. | ||
| You don't have to say anything. | ||
| You have a right to remain silent. | ||
| Maybe I shouldn't have talked to that journalist yesterday. | ||
| I had some journalist call me and ask me about the Trump poll watcher video. | ||
| I was like, I'll just answer questions. | ||
| I almost do it like, maybe I'll be hurt, but also at some point I actually like putting things on the record with them. | ||
| And now, you know what they can do? | ||
| What? | ||
| I'll explain to you guys how it works. | ||
| Let's say you get a phone call from a journalist. | ||
| Like, hey, I was wondering, I wanted to ask you a question about the video you posted. | ||
| It was a video about a dog doing a backflip. | ||
| And you're like, oh yeah, yeah, I was walking down the street and I saw a dog do a backflip. | ||
| What do you want to know? | ||
| Oh, what kind of dog was it? | ||
| Uh, I think it was a German Shepherd. | ||
| Pretty big for a dog doing a backflip. | ||
| Interesting, interesting. | ||
| And, uh, how did you feel about it? | ||
| It was alright, I guess. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| Oh, well, have a nice day. | ||
| Then the article comes out. | ||
| I called Will Chamberlain to ask about a video he posted, and he was immediately agitated and aggressive. | ||
| I was kind of put off by his anger and animosity, but nonetheless, I decided to ask him the question anyway. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| And then as soon as you say, that's not true. | ||
| They're all opinions. | ||
| scared me. He seemed angry at the dog, almost violent, and I was concerned he | ||
| would actually hurt dogs in the future. When he explained to me he was a German | ||
| shepherd, I could hear the hatred in his voice. I think this man is violent and | ||
| dangerous and needs to be arrested immediately before he hurts an animal." | ||
| And then as soon as you say, that's not true, they're all opinions. And do you | ||
| have the phone call recorded? That's right. | ||
| I didn't record this one. | ||
| I should have. | ||
| That is true. | ||
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That's smart. | |
| That's smart. | ||
| about you. When you get on the phone with someone, you give them the ability to say, | ||
| I spoke with them on the phone and this is how I felt. Swipe. | ||
| No, no, don't answer. I always do everything over email and writing. That's smart. | ||
| That's smart. That's probably how I should have done this. Because then I can just | ||
| publish the emails and be like, but they can still say in the email, they were furious. I | ||
| was shocked. They were, they're threats of, I felt unsafe. | ||
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Peace. | |
| The emotions I felt when I read that text. | ||
| Those scratches on that wall. | ||
| I played the author. | ||
| That's actually a good general practice. | ||
| Liberal outlets can send you written questions. | ||
| I was gonna say, I think there's too many news organizations, but I don't want it to centralize into the hands of a few, so maybe it's good. | ||
| You know what I do? | ||
| When I get emails from, like, liberal organizations, I respond with a statement like, you know, the rioters on January 6th should be in prison. | ||
| And that's my response. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| So it's like, what are they gonna say? | ||
| Well, we asked him about whether or not he was a fan of Bitcoin, and he said the rioters should be in prison. | ||
| Jail. | ||
| The jail meme. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They'll still try and play games, though. | ||
| You gotta be careful. | ||
| They'll say with an unrelated and nonsensical statement. | ||
| Or something, you know. | ||
| He's obviously crazy. | ||
| Authoritarian Tim Poole. | ||
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Yeah, yep, yep. | |
| Insane. | ||
| And they can say he responded with a white supremacist slogan. | ||
| Because that's an opinion. | ||
| That's why you make the news. | ||
| You are the news. | ||
| That's why we make videos and you put yourself online because no one can twist that yet. | ||
| Deepfakes are coming. | ||
| Ian, we talk about how history is written by the victors and at least for me I always thought about that in the instance of like war and wars being fought. | ||
| That is not the case. | ||
| History has been written by the victors. | ||
| It has been written by people who won the culture war and they are shaping the way that people think now and the direction that we're pointed now. | ||
| It's a huge problem and I don't think that we Let's jump over to superchats! | ||
| If you have not already, give a little tap to that like button because it seriously does help. | ||
| But more importantly, always sharing the video is massive. | ||
| There was someone who posted the metrics and they were like, look what happens when you share and it's like it just... | ||
| That's how we're gonna actually... I mean, maybe it's not perfect, but it helps us and the work we do when you share and it spreads the ideas to people who might not have them. | ||
| Maybe you know someone and you're like, they just don't understand. | ||
| Well, maybe they haven't seen an episode of TimCast. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Smash the like button. | ||
| Go to TimCast.com. | ||
| We are gonna have... | ||
| I'm not kidding you. | ||
| You are absolutely going to love the upcoming bonus segment because it's going to be a wild ride of crazy conspiracies, Donald Trump from the future, time traveling, and a whole bunch of crazy stuff. | ||
| It's going to be fun and silly. | ||
| But you're going to want to hear this stuff, because, uh, I mean, there's some really weird stories, and this stuff isn't relatively new, but we're going to go through these crazy conspiracies that look at real things that make people say, how is that possible? | ||
| Time travel. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Anyway, we're going to wait some Super Chats. | ||
| Stay tuned. | ||
| Go to TimGuest.com, become a member. | ||
| Make 1984 fiction again says, just your weekly reminder that total deaths per capita in the U.S. | ||
| has not changed in 10 years, including last year. | ||
| But hey, let's destroy the economy and redefine our culture and society for it. | ||
| Now, that came from a John Hopkins op-ed, that official data, but I don't think that's correct. | ||
| I think, yeah, excess deaths were up. | ||
| They were, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So there was an op-ed. | ||
| There was a global pandemic. | ||
| Right, but here's what happened. | ||
| There was an article written by a doctor for, I believe it was John Hopkins University, you know, page, blog or whatever, that showed data points saying that it didn't go up, and then it was immediately challenged by a bunch of people. | ||
| I just gotta say this, when I see one story say one thing, and like, a thousand say something else, showing data points, I understand we just went on this big rant about media lying. | ||
| That's why I try to look in aggregate and try and track the data myself. | ||
| So I'll look at these institutions. | ||
| There was one story that said they weren't up, and I'm like, I don't think that's gonna happen. | ||
| I don't remember exactly what his name is, Lyman Stoneski, but he always had really good charts on Twitter that were showing excess deaths, and I mean, excess deaths were up. | ||
| They were up everywhere. | ||
| Not only that, but it's interesting that someone would assert they weren't when we have stories of violent crime skyrocketing and murders being up. | ||
| So if murders are going up, wouldn't that indicate the numbers should be up? | ||
| I guess you could try and argue maybe the car accidents are down too, because, you know, like that's a big contributor to deaths as well, right? | ||
| Like there was, and apparently there were like way fewer, for example, like child injuries. | ||
| Like there were whole, part of what happened as a result of the pandemic is like those wards got crushed in the hospitals. | ||
| Now here's something I care about. | ||
| Rampton says, what do y'all think about Nicole Arbor feuding with Candace Owens over cancel Chrissy Teigen and walking off Candace's panel on her show this week? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't know anything about that. | ||
| Was the argument that Chrissy Teigen shouldn't be cancelled? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I will try and make the best argument that a co-operative made, which is that we should stick by the principle of not cancelling people, because we should be the principled side, blah blah blah, and say that no, we don't unilaterally disarm. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| I think the right needs to be the side of uncancelling. | ||
| uh... | ||
| if all you do is say stop then they're going to keep taking ground. I don't know I | ||
| think you have to be I think of it more from a deterrence perspective right like | ||
| they they must make them live up to their own book of rules. | ||
| Fire with fire. Oh you're saying so we should cancel them. | ||
| right like you should cancel the cancelers right like Like, if, you know, the people promulgating... Anybody promulgating cancel culture should be forced to play by their own rules. | ||
| Oh, of course, of course. | ||
| But I think, additionally, the right needs to be the party of actively uncanceling people. | ||
| Sure, I absolutely agree with that, too. | ||
| Bring back Milo! | ||
| And Laura Loomer. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, I think, you know... I don't even like Laura Loomer, and I think we should bring her back. | ||
| She's an American citizen who has a right to speak. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I remember I was talking with some tech bro who was trying to explain to me why he and I actually agreed about censorship policy when we didn't. | ||
| It's like the supervillain in a movie being like, you know, Bond, you and I are a lot alike. | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| You're a villain. | ||
| He's trying to say, this is actually a communications decent, like a CD different thing about copyright. | ||
| And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Here's what I want. | ||
| I want you to have the same right to speak on Facebook and Twitter that you do in a public park. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| And he said, but there's a lot of really nasty speech on Facebook and Twitter. | ||
| And I was like, yes. | ||
| That's also the balance struck by our First Amendment. | ||
| There's a lot of nasty speech that's protected. | ||
| This is not a technocratic disagreement. | ||
| We have a values difference. | ||
| All right, let's see what we got. | ||
| Eric Pabst says, nothing Biden does is surprising anymore. | ||
| After hearing him say, we the people, well, the people are the government. | ||
| So according to Biden, we are a nation of the government, by the government, for the government. | ||
| I will say, you know, the one really compelling thing that Biden has said before was, shoot another shot with the pressure! | ||
| Better calf care! | ||
| Did he get us that yet? | ||
| So you know the phrase, the banality of evil? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| From Hannah Arendt? | ||
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| There's a banal awfulness to the Biden administration. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Right? | ||
| What does that mean, banal? | ||
| So like, boring, pedestrian- Pedestrian? | ||
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What? | |
| The banality of evil refers to how people just mindlessly follow orders. | ||
| So like, willful ignorance? | ||
| Willfully, ignorantly evil? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| No, no, not like- Passive. | ||
| Just sort of passively, you know- Accepting. | ||
| Accepting of, you know, awful policy, right? | ||
| Like, the classic example is, like, we opened the show with the discussion of the smuggling children. | ||
| Like, that is just like, there's not some, you know, evil cackling person in the background. | ||
| There's just like, oh, how do we get this off the news? | ||
| Because all the kids in cages photos are bad. | ||
| Ship them off! | ||
| I guess we just put them on planes and hide them. | ||
| You know what I should do? | ||
| What? | ||
| Eventually, I should run for president, and I should grow out a twirly mustache. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And then I'll run as a Democrat, though, and I'll be like, And then we'll strip the pension funds and claim we're giving people health care! | ||
| The system will burn down! | ||
| Democrats want to reinstate the salt cap. | ||
| Have you followed that at all? | ||
| I love this, right? | ||
| It's literally like, it would be the most regressive thing. | ||
| It would be the most enormous tax cut to hedge fund managers in New York and California and venture capitalists. | ||
| And Democrats should be opposed to it, like Bernie is. | ||
| But Democrats are like, we need a middle class salt cap cut. | ||
| And it's just like, You guys are so transparent. | ||
| Oh my gosh! | ||
| I want to be on the debate stage and when they're like, how many of you are in favor of open borders or decriminalizing | ||
| border crossings? And they all raise their hands. I'll be like, | ||
| excellent. | ||
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And then we'll use them for cheap labor under the table so that we | |
| displace the working class and strip them of their value. | ||
| Like say their policies are a good thing, but explain why they're bad as | ||
| the villain guy. I'll wear it. | ||
| I'll wear a top hat, and I'll have like a monocle, and a cane, and I'll wear a tuxedo. | ||
| And then I'll be like, excellent, excellent! | ||
| Ah, the Koch brothers! | ||
| They must be celebrating the idea of the industry getting cheap. | ||
| They literally are. | ||
| That is exactly what they're doing. | ||
| You could do that, and then make a video on YouTube, and your video would get more views than the debate. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Actually, that's a great idea to like green screen yourself into the debate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when they say something like, you know, in California, when they're like, how many of you are in favor of giving | ||
| free health care to illegal immigrants? | ||
| And they all raise their hand. | ||
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Be like, and then American citizens who have paid for 20 years won't be able to get health care. | |
| Mwahahahaha. | ||
| And then I could have like a group of like henchmen behind me wearing like weird suits with like goggles and gas masks | ||
| going, Mwahahahaha. | ||
| That's the plan, man. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I'll do it. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| I'm here for it. | ||
| We need to hire, like, a production crew so we can do these skits and just make a skit channel or something. | ||
| I also want to hire a patent lawyer. | ||
| What? | ||
|
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Alright. | |
| I just have ideas. | ||
| You need a referral? | ||
| I could probably get somebody for you. | ||
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Okay, cool. | |
| Lawyers are cheap, right Will? | ||
| No. | ||
| They are not. | ||
| What if I paid them a percentage of the money the patents make in perpetuity? | ||
| A sea lion in orange says the Democrats are the Beth monster and the Republicans are the Jerry monster from that one episode of Rick and Morty. | ||
| It's true! | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| I've never seen an episode of Rick and Morty. | ||
| So it's basically Beth and Jerry, they're two people. | ||
| They go and then this machine makes their mental version of themselves. | ||
| So Jerry, how he sees his wife and how his wife sees him. | ||
| He sees his wife as the alien from Alien. | ||
| And she sees him as a slug going... | ||
| And then she takes him and uses him, and it's hilarious. | ||
| Well, the whole point is that they're codependent and they require each other to survive and he's like this spineless | ||
| sniveling little slug and she's This overpowering dominant domineering woman because she's | ||
| a mental image of how he sees her. So yeah, I could see Oh, no, no, no | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Ara ara? | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| the Tim Pool compound, he doesn't have enough 50 BMG to stop us all. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Also, Lydia, can you please say, Ara Ara? | ||
| Ara Ara? | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't trust that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But let me just assure you, I do have enough 50 BMG. | ||
| Oh, we're good. | ||
| Also, there's very clear signs that say trespassing will be prosecuted on the way. | ||
| My mom got me a sign that says trespassers will be shot and survivors will be prosecuted. | ||
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I'm like, I'm not, I'm not putting that sign up. | |
| Survivors will be prosecuted. | ||
| We're not putting it up. | ||
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We'll put it downstairs somewhere. | |
| It's a joke. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Potato Masher says, does anyone know what freedom is? | ||
| Just some thoughts. | ||
| Freedom is the ability, obviously, to take your pants off on the stage of the libertarian debates. | ||
| Heck yeah. | ||
| Freedom is the right to sell heroin to children, if I recall those debates. | ||
| Freedom to a prisoner is the ability to walk around and see the sun any time of day. | ||
| So it's kind of relative. | ||
| Seth Elvery says, Tim, if you're angry at rep politicians, invite one onto your show. | ||
| Surely there's some who would have a conversation with you. | ||
| Wasn't Parnell on last night? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's been on several times, but he didn't get in yet. | ||
| He's running for Senate and I like the guy, so I hope he does win. | ||
| And I'm glad he's willing to come on the show and have these conversations. | ||
| But every time I message someone they say, yes, email this person. | ||
| And then I say, okay. | ||
| And you know what that person says when we email them? | ||
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Nothing. | |
| There's a lot of people that I've reached out to that say, yes, politicians are the worst. | ||
| Hmm, sounds like an actor. | ||
| Sounds like you're dealing with actors. | ||
| You could probably get Ken Buck on. | ||
| I bet you could get Ken Buck on. | ||
| In Colorado? | ||
| Yeah, because I know he's chief of staff, so that solves the staff problem. | ||
| You know, I gotta be honest, if someone refers me to a staff member, I'm just not gonna bother emailing them at all. | ||
| If I can DM you, I've DM'd probably like four or five Republicans, and I'm like, yo, we can take care of, here's the plan, here's what we wanna do, are you interested? | ||
| And they say yes, I say, we're good. | ||
| Figure out your schedule, let me know. | ||
| It's no problem, right? | ||
| We're on DM now. | ||
| No, they pass me off, I say, okay, just say no next time. | ||
| I'm not gonna waste my time. | ||
| I think that's just a function of how their offices work. | ||
| There's a guardian of the schedule, in a way. | ||
| Like, you know, politicians are in less control of the- Well, I'm not gonna waste my time. | ||
| Yeah, maybe you don't have to waste your time. | ||
| I mean, it's just, this is where Yes Minister comes in, right? | ||
| Like, the whole point of these little officers and all these little underlings is they control, you know. | ||
| Rand Paul, come on the show, we're big fans. | ||
| Whenever we're like, all politicians suck, we're like, Rand's okay. | ||
| No, Rand's awesome. | ||
| Tom Cotton. | ||
| Thomas Massey, Tom Cotton, Josh Holloway. | ||
| Josh Holloway would be sick on the show. | ||
| I hear such good things about Josh Holloway. | ||
| Doesn't he, he's like a homesteader? | ||
| No, that's Thomas Massey, I think. | ||
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I get all these names mixed up. | |
| Thomas Massey and Rand Paul are like at the top. | ||
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Thomas Massey? | |
| I think that guy's cool. | ||
| Yeah, but there's like, what, 10 Republicans? | ||
| We gotta need a new party. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| We're working on it. | ||
| More the more you get good. | ||
| I mean, the freshmen... Primary! | ||
| You're sorry. | ||
| These terrestrial snails, starfish, and jellyfish in the Republican Party who support the Democrats need to be voted out. | ||
| Primary them! | ||
| Primary them! | ||
| You can't even vote, you have to vote someone else. | ||
| I've never seen any of them on any Republican news show, podcast, anything. | ||
| Like, every one of those Republicans is like, a creature of the nrcc and has who ted cruz has a podcast with my oh no no no but i'm talking about the ones who voted no right other than like liz cheney i've never heard of there's like some of them go on like lib media right like cheney and kinzinger and whoever but none of the 35 they were all these just anonymous republican congress people who've never been on a republican program yes primary it's time | ||
| Kristen F says, went to a local brewery in Northwest Indiana this past weekend and overheard a couple talking about the latest Tim Pool episode. | ||
| Feels good knowing there are others in a predominantly Democratic area aware of good independent media. | ||
| I actually think the opinions that we have on the show, mostly like me and doing my show, resonate with Chicagoans because that's probably from being in Chicago. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| In our metrics, we can see that the largest, the location with the most views is Chicago. | ||
| Oh, it's awesome. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I wonder if it's, I talked about this before, you grow up in a city that's been run by Democrats | ||
| for 80 years, there's no qualm with Republicans because they're not relevant to the local conversation. | ||
| You just keep getting Democrats who make everything worse and people keep voting for it. | ||
| Eventually, all you're saying is I hate Democrats. | ||
| You're not a Republican, you're a moderate liberal, but the Democrats in your city just have a stranglehold | ||
| I can talk about when the mayor came down to my local park and was like, we're gonna build y'all a skate park! | ||
| And we're like, yay, photo op! | ||
| And then he's gone, never comes back. | ||
| I hate them all. | ||
| Never built the skate park? | ||
| No, there was already a trash park there and they were gonna make like a good one, they said, as a photo op to go out and pretend like he helped the kids or something. | ||
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Oh, weird. | |
| You know, that's funny. | ||
| I grew up in Cupertino, California. | ||
| I've been around Democrats, lived in Democrat areas my entire life, except for a six-month stint in Boise, Idaho. | ||
| And I feel like that made me... if you actually look at just my actual policy views... | ||
| They're pretty moderate, but in terms of attitudinally and what team I'm on, I'm like, I want Republicans to win. | ||
| I think it's very important that they do. | ||
| I'd prefer Democrats not to win, and I just wish there was something other than Republicans. | ||
| Man, Dave Smith, with the Libertarian Party, that's like, this is a big deal. | ||
| He's cool, dude. | ||
| He runs for president, and I don't even know if he's, who knows, I've never seen a Libertarian win the president. | ||
| Abraham Lincoln built a fourth party to win his Republican election. | ||
| He created the Republicans. | ||
| Dude, if we get hard behind Dave, he goes. | ||
| It's just about the process. | ||
| Let's read some more Super Chats. | ||
| WolfsBlackRose says, I didn't know Will was anti-Second Amendment. | ||
| His anti-crypto argument is a page out of the Gun Grabbers handbook. | ||
| That's actually, that's an interesting rejoinder. | ||
| I am pro-Second Amendment, by the way. | ||
| Sorry, just to make that clear. | ||
| Criminals use guns. | ||
| Criminals do use guns, but it's a constitutional right, and it's also important to self-defense. | ||
| I think that your ability to defend yourself against violence from knives or punching or whatever is a basic right. | ||
| What about my ability to defend myself from inflationary currency? | ||
| Defend yourself from inflation currency. | ||
| Well, not a constitutional right and there's a collective action problem there with like if you, you know, the consequence of not having a currency that is not possible to dilute is things like the 2009 crisis. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Nua Haking says, I live in Logan Square, Chicago, and on the way home last night, there were signs calling a woman and her husband out by name. | ||
| Photos defining characteristics and social media usernames directly calling them neo-Nazis. | ||
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Jeez. | |
| Creepy! | ||
| And it would have been vandalism to rip those signs down? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
|
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I don't think so. | |
| Yeah, unless you had like a right to put them up for some reason. | ||
| Sunny James says, I love the Jewish people, but statist secular Jews have misrepresented them. | ||
| To the point, since I've openly criticized Zionism, my superchats are carefully monitored and impossible to get through. | ||
| To be cancelled soon, don't tell me I'm the only one. | ||
| So wait, is this like, are you saying that your anti-Zionist Jews get cancelled? | ||
| Is that the argument? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Jurassic Josh says, Timothy Poole, the U.S. | ||
| not negotiating with terrorists is a quote from a Harrison Ford movie. | ||
| It is not an actual stance of the U.S. | ||
| government. | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| Stop lying to your viewers. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| When I did the hostile environment training, they specifically said the U.S. | ||
| doesn't negotiate with terrorists. | ||
| Well, sometimes they like in a general sense, I'm sure in certain circumstances there are. | ||
| I think he's talking about Air Force One. | ||
| Did you guys see that movie? | ||
| Harrison Ford plays the president. | ||
| He like punches a guy in the face. | ||
| We don't negotiate with terrorists. | ||
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Did you see that Tim? | |
| No? | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| Commander232 says, well, to give you a bit of positive news, myself and my comrades in Federal Protective Services walk off when we were tasked to help with the smuggling of the illegal immigrants. | ||
| No way, for real? | ||
| Is that a true story? | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Yeah, wow. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
|
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Alright, let's see what we got here. | |
| Sunny James says, so what the heck difference does it make if you have all the crypto in the world, if the government seizes your assets for the ever-growing crime list such as racism and the old conspiracy charge, no crypto can help you, the Y Islands are a risky buy. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| Crypto can be stored in your brain. | ||
| You can remember 10 words and have access to your crypto forever. | ||
| And they can't seize it. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| The blockchain exists decentralized around the planet. | ||
| They can arrest you, they can demand it, and then as soon as... I mean, sure, they can lock you up and throw away the key. | ||
| They can do that regardless. | ||
| But remembering... It's 10 words, right? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| It ranges. | ||
| Sometimes it'll be 8, sometimes I think 16. | ||
| It depends on the service. | ||
| And it'll be like dog, run, car, fly, airport, theater, pizza. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| You remember those 10 words and then you can log in and access your crypto from wherever you want. | ||
| They can't take it away. | ||
| They can't seize it. | ||
| Until they plug it into your brain with a neural net and start trying to read your memories and your thoughts. | ||
| Or like take bamboo and shove it up your fingernails or whatever. | ||
| Nothing is forever. | ||
| Nothing's permanent and nothing is stable. | ||
| We're always at risk. | ||
| But I think crypto is a lot less risky than fiat at the moment. | ||
| All right, Tag says, the problem with the gold standard is the development of asteroid mining. | ||
| One of the reasons gold has value is because it's rare. | ||
| Once asteroid mining gets off the ground, gold will no longer be rare. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, that's actually literally the opposite of my point. | ||
| The problem is a fixed supply. | ||
| You know, having your own national currency be something that's not under your control can lead to recessions because of the problem of wage stickiness. | ||
| If your country becomes less productive, you have the choice of either diluting your currency, you know, or your currency floating against others, or wage cuts. | ||
| Everybody hates wage cuts, so if you have to choose that, what you're really choosing is mass unemployment. | ||
| Brandon D says Ian re your personal crypto idea read the unincorporated man. Not exactly one-to-one, but eerily similar. Oh, thanks | ||
| Tis said Tim look up look up Wyckoff distribution distribution theory | ||
| It just happened to Bitcoin. | ||
| The big institutions are now manipulating the market. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| I've warned about that as well. | ||
| Mount Romer says hack seems sus. | ||
| Government hates Monero. | ||
| Could be a win-win for them. | ||
| More private coins, too, like Pirate. | ||
| Govs do shady deals themselves. | ||
| Banning never makes it go away, but makes it more valuable. | ||
| Didn't a bunch of, like, feds steal Silk Road Bitcoin? | ||
| That was like... I would guess they would seize it as an asset. | ||
| No, no, no, they got arrested. | ||
| They went to jail or something. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it, like, was it, uh, you know, because obviously the guy who made, who was responsible for the Silk Roads in jail wasn't African-American. | ||
| Yeah, something happened, um... He got convicted. | ||
| The Dread Pirate Roberts. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| And so, uh... Ross Ulrich. | ||
| So, like, yeah, Ross Ulrich, that's right. | ||
| So the prosecutor, or the police officers on the case, like, stole some Bitcoin. | ||
| Yeah, like 750 million dollars worth, or billion. | ||
| That was a lot of money, and it was, like, two in March or something, I think this happened. | ||
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Jeez. | |
| Yeah, it's not the first time cops have stolen drug money. | ||
| They seized it. | ||
| I don't know when they got caught in March, I think. | ||
| Well, if they seized it, it would be illegal. | ||
| They just stole it, right? | ||
| Seizing is something the government's allowed to do when you forfeit assets. | ||
| But like, they personally transported the coins themselves. | ||
| points themselves. Sean Kent says Tim you need to form a coalition with the likes of | ||
| the intellectual dark web and other prominent anti-woke people. Make an LLC | ||
| media organization to rival the legacy media. Get collaboration with big time | ||
| players. Get enough momentum. Rival YouTube. I am not a big fan of the | ||
| intellectual dark web. That's about it. I personally don't like clicks in general. | ||
| I like those people, though. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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There's no, like, closed groups of people that are like, we're this now, look how we are. | |
| Yeah, pretty expensive. | ||
| And they fell apart. | ||
| They don't even hang out anymore. | ||
| If it was a clique, Rubin and Sam Harris, they don't really go on each other's show. | ||
| Brett Weinstein is legit. | ||
| I like Brett a lot. | ||
| I like all these people as intellectuals. | ||
| Sometimes I think they are wrong, especially when it comes to matters of political strategy. | ||
| I think they often get it wrong on that question. | ||
| Brian Scanlon says, Charles Hoskinson, the creator of the cryptocurrency Cardano, said in a recent AMA that he would like to come on the show. | ||
| You guys should reach out to him. | ||
| Cardano is an amazing project. | ||
| There's nobody better to answer all of your crypto questions. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| We have. | ||
| Did you message him on Twitter? | ||
| I can't message him on Twitter, but I have reached out to him on a couple different occasions, telling him to get in touch with me because I do the guests for IRA. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So the ball is in his court. | ||
| Hopefully soon. | ||
| Alright, let's see what we got here. | ||
| Someone posting some... What is this? | ||
| Some nonsense? | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Doo-doo-doo. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Let's grab a good one. | ||
| Everyone's just basically saying Crypto is the best, Will is wrong. | ||
| Not surprised by that. | ||
| It's like the inverse of the last episode where I was like... Yeah, everyone's like, Tim's wrong. | ||
| I'm like, jail rioters. | ||
| Everybody's like, yay, Crypto bad. | ||
| What? | ||
| We're gonna go back and forth, yeah. | ||
| All right, let's just see. | ||
| We'll grab a couple more down at the latest ones because YouTube jumped on us and it's... All right, let's see what we got. | ||
| Joshua Vogt says hello Tim from from a Air Force military police vet thinking of running for mayor of my town in a couple years It's super leftist for the longest time. | ||
| I'm not currently work in pest control. | ||
| Love y'all. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's cool Dan9S says, you keep mentioning PayPal and Stripe. | ||
| Can I just pay with a card? | ||
| I don't know anything about Stripe, but after my mom died, PayPal made it impossible for me to close her account. | ||
| I'm not doing PayPal. | ||
| When you click Stripe to become a member, it literally just asks for your credit card information. | ||
| It's like super easy to do. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Stripe is really fantastic. | ||
| Great service. | ||
| Super excited to have them integrated. | ||
| But again, you click sign up to be a member and it just says credit card information. | ||
| You go, boom, done. | ||
| Well, there's probably a little bit more involved in that, but it's relatively easy. | ||
| Sean Kent says, also, can I submit skit ideas for you? | ||
| I have a free one here. | ||
| SJW chess player goes to get a bank loan and puts two pennies on the counter. | ||
| Teller says, sir, two pennies is not enough. | ||
| SJW, did you just assume my currency's value? | ||
| Hey, there you go. | ||
| That's the next... Okay. | ||
| Yeah, my currency's value. | ||
| It's meta. | ||
| Gabriel Martinez says, Tim, first time commenting, you would win on a Republican ticket. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Also, currency and money are two different things. | ||
| Gold is money. | ||
| The dollar is currency now. | ||
| Bitcoin is the new gold. | ||
| You would. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't really think there's a meaningful difference between money and currency unless you have a narrower definition of currency that's like state-run or something. | ||
| No, the conservatives, I disagree on policy, on a lot of these policies. | ||
| That's why you would win. | ||
| Vote for someone you disagree with! | ||
| It's an ever encroachment to the left, just because I don't like them. | ||
| If they like you, that's why they vote. | ||
| Oh yeah, I guess. | ||
| And I'd have a really easy time with fundraising. | ||
| I wouldn't need to fundraise. | ||
| Wow, yeah. | ||
| Like, you know, Sean came on the show and he's talking about the need to fundraise, and I'm like, I don't need to. | ||
| That's the way the game works though, I guess, you know? | ||
| The people who run big companies and make a ton of money can easily just run for office and not have to worry about it. | ||
| Unfair on some level, yeah. | ||
| Gotta make a bunch of promises, but the more important thing is that the amount of media play I could get from my own work is way more than they could buy. | ||
| Dude, if we did, they'd leave vlogs from the White House. | ||
| Well, the New York Times would lie and smear. | ||
| That'd be so fun. | ||
| Weren't there some Brazilian YouTubers who got elected? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what I heard. | ||
| Because they control a lot of the media, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So while these other candidates are desperately trying to buy media, I just turn the camera on and say, yo, what up? | ||
| Would you guys be down to paint the White House? | ||
| I don't think you can just do that. | ||
| Well, if you're the president, can I paint it? | ||
| I don't think you can just do that. | ||
| I'm not going to be the president. | ||
| Can we get, like, taxpayer support? | ||
| Tim is going to run on a platform of tradition. | ||
| My Republican platform would be insane. | ||
| My Republican platform would be insane good. | ||
|
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Huh? | |
| I was yeah. | ||
| If I ran for president, it would be awesome. | ||
|
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Yeah, I know. | |
| I feel like I'm gonna pardon everybody basically. | ||
| All non-violent offenders will go through where there's victimless crimes, drugs, and abuse and stuff like that. | ||
| Just gonna start rubber stamping it. | ||
| Especially federal gun crimes that are non-violent. | ||
| Boom. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Marijuana? | ||
| Oh, you betcha. | ||
|
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Boom. | |
| Boom. | ||
| Cranking them all out, pardoning everybody like crazy the first day. | ||
| I just be like, give me the list, I'm pardoning them all, send them home. | ||
| We got too many people in prison for dumb things. | ||
| Stop wasting money. | ||
| And then, the taxpayers don't gotta waste that money, so we'll lower taxes. | ||
| How much money can we save by pardoning, you know, all nonviolent offenders? | ||
| I mean, Philly's trying this experiment. | ||
| Nonviolent offenders? | ||
| Yeah, because think about it, people plead, right? | ||
| The non-violent offenders usually don't go to jail for as much. | ||
| We've talked about this before. | ||
| The review would not include anybody who pled down from violent crimes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the file says this person was accused of doing X, Y, and Z, and then they pleaded to discharge, I'd be like, sorry. | ||
| But if it's like some guy was chilling on his stoop with a 40 and his friends, and he got arrested, I'd be like, get out of here. | ||
| Or if it was like a guy was selling like marijuana or something I beg now or if a guy was like he had a suppressor | ||
| and he didn't file the NFA I'd beg not get out of here like you're free to go you're free to go second amendment free | ||
| to go free to go. | ||
| A lot of stuff pertaining to the constitution like that that's probably the only thing I would do I'd say like I'm | ||
| gonna go through every single federal case and anything on constitutional grounds pardon. | ||
| We need less law so I'm down with that. | ||
| Like you got a story about a guy's like chilling in his house and the cops like kick the door without a warrant or | ||
| whatever. | ||
| And then, like, he fought with them and then they charged him. | ||
| I'd be like, oh, he's going free. | ||
| Oh, even though he fought, but it was self-defense. | ||
| There's a lot of creepy stories like that, you know? | ||
| So, I'd probably err on the side of freedom, which could be a little bad. | ||
| I know conservatives wouldn't like that, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, no, I think the whole, like, free all the prisoners is not a traditional conservative policy proposal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey, you want to lower taxes, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, then how about the guy who's, like, non-violent offender who's, like, minding his own business, smoking pot, shouldn't be in prison? | ||
| I mean, I think most conservatives would agree with that. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| We're gonna save you money. | ||
| That guy can go home and he can smoke all the pot he wants. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Why should you pay to lock that guy up because he was rocking a ganja in his basement? | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| I mean, I just don't really think very many people are in jail for that, honestly. | ||
| No, but it would be like in federal crimes, it would be more than just like a guy in his basement. | ||
| It would be like, you know, trafficking or selling or something. | ||
| But I don't care. | ||
| I think it's stupid. | ||
| People should be in jail for that. | ||
| Nonviolent offenses. | ||
| It's not so simple. | ||
| I'd also run on, like, executive order instructing the ATF to stop doing all their jobs. | ||
| Like, you will now be allowed to play video games all day and just don't do anything else. | ||
| Right, yeah, just the rubber rooms. | ||
| You know where that comes from? | ||
| I'm kidding, by the way, because they still do things that are important. | ||
| In the New York Teachers Union, they literally have things called rubber rooms, which is where they put the teachers they can't fire. | ||
| It's called a rubber room because you play a rubber bridge. | ||
| The card game. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Right. | ||
| Like, so they're expected to just sit around playing cards all day. | ||
| No, I'd be like, focus on firearms. | ||
| I'm sorry, I'm sorry. | ||
| Focus on explosives. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It's alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives. | ||
| I'd be like, ignore the firearm stuff and just focus on the explosives. | ||
| Oh, they'd love to do that. | ||
| That's like the FBI's favorite thing to do. | ||
| They find some radical and then they're like, oh, we'll just insert an undercover agent and offer to sell them explosives. | ||
| No, I got a better idea. | ||
| I'd make them, like, actually enforce the law against far left extremists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jail. | ||
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Jail, hey! | |
| Right to jail. | ||
| Right to jail. | ||
| Believe it or not, right to jail. | ||
| The reason I want to paint the White House, and I'm joking, is because the Roman, where we got this architecture from the white marble pillars and stuff, all the Roman architecture is white marble pillar, because the paint faded away. | ||
| They painted that stuff. | ||
| The statues, these white marble statues were painted. | ||
| They looked normal. | ||
| First last says we should make Ian's white party. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| Do you know the story? | ||
| I do not know the story. | ||
| So Ian said that there should be a new white party in the states or whatever. | ||
| And everyone, and like, I can't remember, it was like me, Luke, and someone else. | ||
| Oh, for white people? | ||
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No, no, no! | |
| There's red, there's blue, there's white. | ||
| Red, white, and blue. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And there's red states, there's blue states. | ||
| What if there are white states? | ||
| Red, white, and blue. | ||
| And they were like, racist! | ||
| Yeah, he said we need white states. | ||
| And we were like, no! | ||
| No, no, no! | ||
| You could interpret that in the monarchist sense, because white was traditionally the color of the monarchies in the French Revolution. | ||
| So you could go that old school reactionary angle if you want. | ||
| Because the alternative is not good. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| I don't think we need political parties. | ||
| My friends, we've got a crazy, crazy conspiracy that's going to be a whole lot of fun. | ||
| A lot of laughs. | ||
| Time travel. | ||
| The secrets of the alternate timelines. | ||
| We're going to talk about all of this, and there's an actual news story that I'm going to bring up, and you're going to laugh, and it's going to be hilarious. | ||
| So make sure you go to TimCast.com and become a member, because we're going to have fun with this one. | ||
| You can follow us on Facebook and Instagram at TimCastIRL. | ||
| You can share our videos on Facebook. | ||
| It helps grow the channel. | ||
| And then, you know, we try to leverage that to get more viewers and people on the website. | ||
| We're really focusing on getting people on the website. | ||
| So we're going to be also hosting things on Rumble moving forward. | ||
| It's going to be really awesome. | ||
| So definitely make sure to check us out when we do the show, Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m. | ||
| You can follow me personally at TimCast basically everywhere. | ||
| And sign up at TimGuest.com, leave us a good review. | ||
| You want to shout anything out, Will? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Human Events, guys, again, if you weren't here at the beginning, we hired Jack DeSobic. | ||
| We're really stoked on it. | ||
| I mean, he's going to be doing, like, podcasts and stuff, and we're going to, so we're going to be, I'm really excited about the future of Human Events. | ||
| We have, you know, Big Investor in, Broaden, Jack, like, there's more coming. | ||
| That's big. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| You can follow me at IanCrossland.net and that at IanCrossland all across social media. | ||
| Thanks for coming. | ||
| I love you guys. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids in my journey to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids. | ||
| That'll be fun. | ||
| We will see you over at TimCast.com. | ||
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| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| We'll see you then. |
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