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Timcast IRL - Crowder Goes NUCLEAR On YouTube, SUES Over Censorship w/Forrest Of Recoil Magazine
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tim pool
I'm sure most of you know that YouTube has given Steven Crowder a warning, which is like
a...
They don't shut you down, but they take your content down.
They then gave him a strike.
Then they gave another warning on his other channel, CrowderBits.
They then gave him a second strike on his main channel, and then they gave him a strike on his second channel.
This is serious.
And for anybody listening who's not familiar, Crowder is a massive personality.
He's a conservative comedian.
He does news commentary, cultural commentary.
And for the longest time, we saw censorship happening.
It was targeting the fringes, or so many people said.
But as you can see, as time goes on, the fringe keeps changing.
The hit pieces keep coming, and they just keep coming for the next person.
Closer and closer towards the center, and then eventually everyone gets censored.
We even see many anti-war leftists getting censored as well.
Well, Crowder is fighting back.
Filing a lawsuit, or at least he's announcing he will be filing a lawsuit and an injunction against YouTube, and it's really interesting.
We're gonna go through what they're talking about, why they're doing it, and I think this is extremely important because, well, once Crowder goes, then who's next on the chopping block?
Channels like ours.
See, before they started going after Crowder, they were going after other channels as well, people like Alex Jones, and we all knew it was only a matter of time before they would make their move and slowly just get rid of more and more content creators, more and more Channels, so we definitely to talk about this and make sure we're keeping this at the forefront because this is gonna be really really important and I'll say it too, you know We obviously want Crowder to be able to continue continue doing his work and there's also a bit of self-preservation in there It's it's a it's I know what happens to us the moment Crowder's out of the picture They're gonna keep moving down the line.
We can't have that happen.
So we'll talk about that We got a bunch of other news too.
There's a huge Supreme Court decision and 9 to 0.
Like, even the liberal justices agreed, cops can't use caretaking as an excuse to go in your house and take your guns.
Without a warrant.
So we'll get into that.
We also got police reform in the Minneapolis area.
The Black Lives Matter activists have won.
And now they're going to be creating an unarmed traffic enforcement division, which I can only assume will be, like, I want to say like a Benny Hill movie, but with more violence and injury.
And it really does worry me.
So we're going to get into this, and joining us today is the digital editor from Recall Magazine, Forrest Cooper.
Thanks for hanging out, man.
unidentified
Hey, Tim.
tim pool
Do you want to just give a quick introduction?
forrest cooper
Yeah, no, I'll do that.
My name is Forrest Cooper.
tim pool
What are you wearing?
forrest cooper
I am showing off some of the stuff that we work on in our magazine.
unidentified
But now for reality... I told him to wear it, everybody.
He did.
forrest cooper
It was forced.
tim pool
I was like, hey, put that on.
forrest cooper
Night vision goggles.
of if you want to understand a little bit about recoil magazine, we like to be edgy in that fashion,
looking at new products, what's really coming out. So instead of it just being about whether a firearm
or you know how evaluating a firearm, we talk about culture, we talk about night vision,
how to do it. And so it's, it's really about education and aspiration. You change stuff,
gun stuff, gun stuff. Yep. The core idea being culture leads policy.
You change culture by going out and doing stuff.
tim pool
Speaking of Steven Crowder, the other day we... So on Saturday, I went and actually, I finally got the Sig M400 that Crowder had sent to me.
Thank you very much, Steven.
And we took it out to the range in West Virginia.
And everyone was super impressed with it.
So we had a great time.
So, you know, Forrest and I and a few others went out and we fired a bunch of guns.
And we also brought out the Barrett M82A1 and tried to blow up the gong, but we weren't able to do it.
But it was fun firing that.
So that's what we did yesterday.
And again, the weapon from Crowder was incredible.
Everybody was super impressed with it.
I was super impressed with it.
Really grateful for getting that.
So again, we're going to talk about the censorship stuff.
We got Ian Eastchill.
What's up, everybody?
ian crossland
Ian Crossland.
Good to be here.
lydia smith
You got me in the corner pushing buttons, I'm Sarah Patch Litz.
tim pool
Before we get started with the show, go to TimCast.com, click the big Members Only button, and you can sign up to become a member.
You can do it through Stripe or PayPal.
See, we're building up the site, we're making it better, because we know many people have asked.
But this site exists because the fear of censorship was very real, and I realized if I didn't start setting something up that would exist outside of YouTube, I got all my eggs in one basket.
And, you know, we can get banned the same as Crowder can.
So just like Crowder has the Mug Club, which you guys should definitely check out and support him considering what they're going through and how important this lawsuit is, we have TimCast.com where you can join us as well.
And when you do, you get access to the members area, a ton of exclusive members-only podcast segments and full episodes.
It's really, really great.
We were hanging out with Robbie Starbuck last week, talking about neocon rhinos threatening to quit the Republican Party.
And he made a really good point that the tumor is excising itself.
Oh, we're so upset about it.
So definitely become a member.
Just be there because in the event that we get a strike, look, even one strike, if we say something wrong any moment, we don't know what.
We can't produce any content on any channel for a week.
Same thing is happening to Crowder right now.
They got him out for two weeks.
So, in the event that happens, you can find us at TimCast.com, but don't forget to like, share, subscribe.
Hit that notification bell if you're listening on iTunes, Spotify, or any other podcast platform.
Give us a good review and, you know, take the URL on YouTube and share it around.
It really, really does help, especially considering this is the big fight, everybody.
Let's talk about this first story right here.
LouderWithCrowder.com officially suing YouTube.
Steven Crowder initiates legal action against YouTube.
From Crowder's website, they report, last week, Louder With Crowder LLC, through its lawyer, gave a legal notice to YouTube of the intent to file a lawsuit and seek an injunction.
They go on to mention they have a video available on their website.
Last fall, after the Vox Adpocalypse, YouTube re-monetized Crowder's channel.
They said we had a record-breaking election livestream in November, and incredibly successful streams thereafter.
If there ever was a target painted on our backs, it was then.
Once we hit the new year and a new president ascended, the landscape of social media shifted in favor of the left.
Democrats took control of the presidency and now have control of both houses of Congress.
As such, YouTube and other big tech platforms feel emboldened with very few lawmakers standing in the way.
He says, in 2021, YouTube hit them with a warning of a strike over election content, then issued the first hard strike.
The first strike was related to a COVID policy in their March 18th video of the one-year anniversary of 15 Days to Flatten the Curve.
The studio is familiar with YouTube's policies on COVID, so I'll just give you the gist of it.
And I went over this the first time they gave him a strike.
Crowder did not break any rules in this capacity.
And I got really angry because I get this email from Google when this is going down, like well in advance of any of this censorship, straight up saying, here are the exact conditions you must meet to violate this policy.
And I said, that's easy.
They said you can't say two specific things together, which obviously I can't say because YouTube will take us down if I do, even if I explain it.
That's the way this works.
Their algorithms don't understand the difference between explaining something, and it's all the same to them.
Crowder never said that there was widespread fraud.
Crowder never mentioned anything about overturning or anything like that.
They gave him a strike, which is bunk.
The next one, the second one, is the craziest.
Apparently, they're claiming that Crowder and his team were glorifying the death of Micaiah Bryant for agreeing with the police, that the police officers were justified in the shooting.
Now, of course, media matter says that they were mocking the woman.
I don't see that as still Violating the policies which says you know glorifying or reveling in someone's death when you're like hey, this is the law if you break it This is what's going to happen I think YouTube is reaching as Crowder explains He says the concern they have is that YouTube is actively looking for violations in their past videos that aren't actually violations in order to issue a third hard strike once they're allowed to stream to the platform
Which would de-platform them from YouTube.
YouTube has a pattern of applying policies and even stretching those policies beyond any reasonable reading of the policy in order to harm channels which take a contrary view of their opinions.
We experienced this.
We only have ever gotten a warning, but it was on our episode with Alex Jones.
And they claimed that a hyperbolic statement was glorifying violence or something, and they took the full podcast down.
And I said, it was half a second.
Can I just snip it out?
And they're like, no.
They were looking for any possible excuse to take our video down.
And I think that's pretty obvious to everybody.
So, he goes on to mention why you should care.
No matter what side of the political aisle you're on, YouTube isn't encouraging debate.
It's trying to squash debate, trying to eradicate ideas from its platform it simply does not like.
One day those ideas are about the election, then they're about COVID.
Now those ideas include applauding an officer for saving a woman's life.
When will enough be enough?
Well, this is really important, but I gotta say, to Stephen and crew, Obviously, we all care.
I think the people who watch this show care about principle and recognize the commies are going to have their free speech, the Nazis are going to have their free speech, and we're going to be annoyed with them, but we're going to argue, and that's the purpose of free speech.
We want our rights protected.
And that means people you don't like, they get rights too.
The problem is the people we're up against.
I hate to call it left and right because it really doesn't make sense economically or even in terms of tradition versus progressivism.
It's just zealots who want power, whose ideology is there is no truth but power, and then people who are like, let's have a fair debate, a fair argument over this.
So...
They're suing.
They're filing an injunction.
And I wonder what precedent could be set.
There's a lot of people need to understand, like, when we watch James O'Keefe filing these lawsuits against the New York Times and CNN, a lot of people say you can't do it.
You can't do it for this, that, and this reason.
Oh, it's going to get thrown out.
You can only do it until you do it.
If you keep backing down and saying, obviously, there's no point in suing because, oh, what's going to happen?
It's going to be a waste of money.
Okay, listen.
I understand if you don't have the money to file a lawsuit.
That's a challenge.
But if you just sit there and let these companies do this, there will never be precedent set.
So, I'll throw it to you guys, otherwise I'm going to keep ranting on censorship.
You know, Ian, obviously, you were talking about, just before the show, creating terms of service for mines, because you helped put that together.
ian crossland
Yeah, honestly, in addition to it being up against, you know, like you said, zealots, people that are just like
kind of kind of crazy about political correctness and stuff.
We're also up against centralization of power and algorithm machine learning algorithms that aren't necessarily.
And we're seeing the flaws in the system of a centralized service that's dictating what can and can't be said through
a machine algorithm because stuff gets taken out of context.
Like you said, you can't explain certain things even though you're not using it derogatorily.
tim pool
Because the voice to text thing they do for captions would just show the sentence.
It doesn't understand.
I'm like, here's exactly what YouTube said I can't say.
They'd be like, we see it in the code.
Gone.
ian crossland
Yeah.
forrest cooper
You see this also in like the firearms industry or the gun world.
So there's there's gun tubers, people who make YouTube videos.
You could say Grantham's a big one.
Warrior Poets Society is a good one.
tim pool
Hickok45.
forrest cooper
Hickok's great.
He's classic.
tim pool
Yeah, I love that.
forrest cooper
So, but I mean you can, so the firearms industry actually in some ways, not the industry, but the community, because culture as well, was something, someone saved by the internet because it allowed people from rural areas, because a lot of more firearms ownership in rural areas, communicate with one another.
And then they started making YouTube channels, how, so that people could learn how to do things.
And it is ironically controversial in the United States right now.
I don't want to use ironically too heavy because it's way too hipster.
tim pool
You're right though.
forrest cooper
Yeah, right.
No, but it's ironically controversial that a person can have their page taken down because they were teaching somebody how to not hurt themselves.
tim pool
Do you remember when Google banned the word gun?
forrest cooper
Yes.
tim pool
This was the best thing because so you couldn't search for the word or any combination of the three letters G-U-N.
forrest cooper
Yep.
tim pool
So I searched for the anime Gundam.
forrest cooper
Yep.
tim pool
It wouldn't come up.
You couldn't buy Japanese action figures.
That's how stupid their censorship is.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Like my personal, my personal Instagram is at Fox row official.
And my search page is all Gundams and motorcycles because it's like, you look at my page, I've got guns and motorcycles, but my search history, if you look at the search phrases, it's all Gundam.
It's all anime.
It's all anime characters.
tim pool
Why are you searching for that?
It's just defaulting it.
forrest cooper
Well, I mean, I did play Final Fantasy VII once.
ian crossland
Great game.
forrest cooper
Yeah, right?
ian crossland
One of the best.
tim pool
The remake was good.
forrest cooper
I enjoyed the remake.
ian crossland
Yeah, but that's a weird story.
tim pool
Anyway, Google only, like a lot of people were, so we went to the range yesterday, we're filming the vlog, and we fired the Barrett, what is it, M82A1?
forrest cooper
That's the kind of nomenclature that people use, yeah.
tim pool
And 50BMG and Crowder sent me, a year ago, a Sig M400.
And I also got a Sig Tread Sight.
And it was amazing.
It was just really, really great.
And we did it all safe.
I mean, for us, you clearly know how to shoot.
We're giving instruction.
We also had the instructor on site.
And a lot of people were just like, I got asked like 10 times, are you sure you can do this?
Like YouTube will delete your vlog, won't it?
And I'm like, I went through the rules.
They say as long as you're showing the weapon and shooting it in a range, I mean, obviously they're YouTubers who are still producing, but I don't know.
Maybe we'll get the channel demonetized.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, there's different types of content you can see people creating.
Either it's just like short films, people do that all the time, usually with airsoft guns, but you get the point.
But they also do how-to, like how to disassemble a firearm so you can clean it.
So when your channel, your video gets demonetized because you're teaching somebody how to safely clean their firearm.
You're getting dinged with something that says you're teaching someone how to manufacture.
How to assemble.
Assemble, right?
Which is one of those things where the people who are running the asylum are not the right people kind of thing.
tim pool
Yeah, it's contradictory.
You're watching people perform gun safety, and so they punish you for it.
forrest cooper
Yes.
tim pool
So one of the things they said is that you can only show a weapon in an appropriate place, like a gun store or a range.
You can't just have one in an office room or something.
I guess they'll give you a strike.
forrest cooper
Sure.
tim pool
So there's a local range out here, and they have rooms that look just like classrooms because they do safety trainings.
Yeah, you can't do that.
forrest cooper
No.
No, absolutely.
tim pool
They'll be like, oh, that's not...
forrest cooper
It looks too much like this.
Right.
tim pool
It looks like a school.
forrest cooper
It could be, yeah.
tim pool
And then you're gonna get in trouble, you're gonna get Danganronpa censored.
And therein lies the big problem.
I love how you said it was ironic, because America is a gun country, and these massive services, namely YouTube, will ban your content.
And I have to wonder, too, there's definitely an overlap here.
Obviously, Crowder's usually got, what does he have, the Walther on his desk?
forrest cooper
He's got a Walther, yep.
tim pool
And I wonder, because I've always been curious about that.
I'm like, dude's got a gun sitting on his desk.
Or he's wearing, he's got his holsters.
And I'm just like, I'm pretty sure there's some, you know, Democrat anti-gun person sitting at YouTube HQ in Silicon Valley with their finger over the band button, just like, you stupid gun, moron gun, I'll ban you.
And then they're just waiting.
They're waiting.
Like Crowder said, they're looking for something to get him for.
forrest cooper
Yeah, and I think that's the part where you establish intent.
It is not really about honest disagreement, we're looking at intent now.
tim pool
But, the bigger question is, and I'm glad Crowder is filing legal action, this is a good thing, because like I said, you've gotta sue, and then make that argument.
But, they can ban whoever they want whenever they want.
Right, Ian?
ian crossland
According to most terms, I haven't read the YouTube terms, I know Twitter says we can ban you at any time for any or no reason.
That's intentional.
tim pool
So it's interesting now that we as individuals who operate on these platforms have no legal protections.
And it's interesting.
Maybe we shouldn't.
Maybe it's our own fault.
That's why I set up, you know, TimCast.com because I'm like, OK, I mean, I'm fairly libertarian.
If YouTube has got a company, they don't owe me anything and it's their platform.
If somebody came into my house and started throwing food on the floor, I'd be like, get out.
If someone came into my house and started screaming a bunch of Nazi stuff, I'd be like, dude, get out.
Not gonna be having that.
The difference is, YouTube has been subsidized by Google.
They've monopolized the space.
There are platforms where you can upload videos, but...
YouTube is absolutely dominated.
And now, it's kind of the only place where you can run a business.
It's a really, really complicated argument.
No other service offers monetization in the same way that YouTube does.
What's this?
forrest cooper
Or do they?
Recoil is currently building, and we have Recoil TV, which functions similar to YouTube, and we are building a monetization path.
tim pool
It's expensive to host these videos, though.
forrest cooper
We, and we do, we actually, we have it.
So if you are a firearms man, if you're a firearms content creator, get ahold of us.
Cause we'll put you on recoil TV.
It doesn't cost you anything.
Wow.
tim pool
But, but you guys got to fund that run ads or something, or we, we fund it through the fact that people like our publication, but it can get really, really expensive.
So we, so in, in, for instance, in the members only section of our website, we have to pay for that bandwidth.
And it is a lot.
Like, it gets up to tens of thousands of dollars.
People don't realize this.
YouTube's free.
So we broadcast right now on YouTube.
You know, we get 40k concurrent views, you know, on average during the election, we had like 140 or some on one podcast.
That means for the two to three megabits up we're sending out, we're sending out 140,000 times two megabits.
All of that data YouTube's paying for.
forrest cooper
Yep.
tim pool
And then they take a small percentage of super chats and they take a percentage of, you know, advertisements.
So the issue is, they're fronting the costs for all of these things.
Should we be entitled to this service?
And that's where things get challenging.
And man, I'm pretty much on the fence.
But so long as, I'm on the fence in terms of like their business, private company, but where I draw the line is, if they've monopolized public discourse If they have grown to the size to where they're influencing elections, now I think it's a public service.
And that's interestingly a more liberal argument conservatives never used to have.
And I'm like, I think that they've grown and taken over the Commons.
We don't have town hall discourse anymore.
People are coming to this show and hearing arguments and discussions and commenting.
YouTube's effectively dominated the space.
Well, now they owe public discourse, in which case, I think it's extremely dangerous if they're gonna start removing people who are setting up their businesses.
Maybe a better way to put it is, if a private company bought all of the available business space in downtown, At a certain point, people are going to be like, okay, fine, you can own it, but you can't ban people for selling a product you don't like.
Like, people can pay you rent, you can set up terms for the property, but we need commerce to exist.
Crowder needs to be able to speak.
We need to be able to have reasonable discourse.
And the problem I see with this is that massive multinational corporations, if they see YouTube get away with this, they can just start to dominate whatever public space they want, whatever area of the commons they want, and then just say, but it's a private company, it's ours now.
forrest cooper
Well, on the forefront of that, you're also looking at, what is the intent?
Again, you think about it in the sense of, we can talk about guns, we can talk about anything political, even with Steven Crowder.
Do they not want him to be heard, or do they not trust him as a good faith actor, is a good question, right?
tim pool
Well, I think if you look at the left faction, Tends to be in my opinion a there is no truth, but power
faction. Yep They accuse the right of being that and it's really insane
that perhaps many of the establishment Republicans for sure But when we're looking at anti critical race theory
individuals and their alignment on the right These are the people who reject that that ethos and so
quite literally you have the left lying and accusing the right of what it's doing
Itself which creates a serious problem Do they think Crowder is a bad faith actor?
No, I think they believe Crowder is truthful.
forrest cooper
And they don't like it.
unidentified
Right, because they're bad faith actors who are trying... They're angry by his success.
forrest cooper
They're angry by his success.
tim pool
There are a lot of leftists, a lot, maybe the majority, who are good faith, but they're following the bad faith Pied Piper, believing they're following the truth.
And then they say the same thing about Trump and Trump's diehard fans.
And I'm like, okay, but that's not the majority of whatever this faction is.
There are a lot of people who are begrudgingly voting for Trump.
You know?
And then you have a lot of people on the left who begrudgingly voted for Biden.
So it's interesting, but in the end, people like, you know, in the intellectual dark web, disaffected liberals, moderates, have more in common with conservatives based on moral frameworks and rejection of critical race theory and left-identitarianism, believing in free speech.
than the establishment Democrats. And there's a big difference between voting for Trump and voting
for Biden. You vote for Trump because he's a human Molotov cocktail, or because you really like him
and his policies. People vote for Biden because he's a feeble old man they think they can overtake
and steal power, or they genuinely like his policies, but I believe that was probably like
a tiny faction. Most of the people voted for him because they just hated Trump. Based on that,
you cannot build a government. So. Yeah, what...
forrest cooper
A house divided against itself?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
I know.
Most people have more in common than they realize, I think.
Occupy Wall Street showed that when people were railing against the Federal Reserve and the monetary system kind of putting us all against each other.
tim pool
You need to stop that.
ian crossland
It's so sad when people get confused and start to go at each other like this.
I don't like it.
forrest cooper
Yeah, the no truth but power argument is a great form of sort of moral cynicism, but it also it's very manipulative.
It's not a very... Well, first of all, it's very honest because the people who say it are only interested in power.
So at least they're consistent in that sense.
It says, there is no truth but power, which is how I'm going, and I'm going to use that philosophy to take your power and give it to me.
It's not, the statement, no truth but power is not complete.
It's only the first half.
It's, there is no truth but power and I deserve it.
tim pool
You know, it's interesting because there is, I understand what they're saying when they say that.
That, what's the point of having an argument with you?
If they want to create their own system, their own utopia, their own leftist, you know, perfect world, there's no point having an argument with a bunch of people who disagree with them.
They just need to take your power away, destroy your system, and then build a new one.
So for the time being, I don't think the core of their philosophy is there is no truth but power.
It's in order for me to build my utopia, I must seize all of your power and the truth be damned.
And that's where we're at right now.
And it leads to some very interesting things, which is our next segment here, actually.
So, Forrest, you're based out of Minneapolis.
forrest cooper
I live in Minneapolis, for the time being.
tim pool
For the time being, and you've got to see a lot of what's been going on.
We have the story from the Star Tribune.
Here we go.
Brooklyn Center passes police reform package.
Bravo.
Black Lives Matter, they've won this one.
The failed leadership of Brooklyn Center has caved.
One of the things they're going to be doing, an unarmed civilian traffic enforcement division.
Here's my favorite thing.
Civilian.
Are police civilians?
forrest cooper
Technically, yes.
Technically, no.
I'm not going to be able to answer that one because it's, it, I think you could make the argument in many ways that they're functionally neither right now.
tim pool
Functionally neither.
forrest cooper
They're functionally neither because I mean, sure, they have, you have, they're not citizens in the sense that they work for the government.
That's where do we make that distinction either is another question.
Cause that's, I think that's a very modern way of thinking.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Because a soldier is not considered a citizen, but he's still a citizen of the country.
tim pool
You mean civilian?
forrest cooper
He's not considered a civilian, yeah.
tim pool
But they're citizens.
forrest cooper
They're citizens.
tim pool
They're civilians.
forrest cooper
Yeah, sorry about that.
tim pool
Yeah, they're combatants.
They're armed forces.
forrest cooper
So conventionally the answer is no.
tim pool
But so I would say that if you're talking from a military perspective, the answer is yes.
They're not going in foreign war.
They're literally living in a small town and dealing with local domestic law.
They're civilians.
forrest cooper
So the line gets blurred because you have when you talk about the police, you're talking about a very large swath of people.
You've got your small town sheriff and you've got CIA, you've got FBI, you've got BORTAC, you've got people who have We're much more look much more militant.
Most people don't see them and they're are they both considered the police?
tim pool
Well, so let's get into meat potatoes here.
They they've successfully reformed their police and it's it's beyond what I would consider because I've said we need reform, but I'm usually talking about creating more divisions like an unarmed traffic enforcement.
Okay.
Well, maybe if the idea If the idea is like you see someone commit a traffic violation, and you write down their license plate, and they mail them a ticket, that's something they've been talking about doing.
But what do you think would happen if someone, you know, an unarmed civilian tries pulling over?
Let's say there's a guy, and maybe he was at a party.
And he wakes up, and he's got a gun, and he goes to one of the people who lives there, and then he says, give me all your money, and then shows that he's got a gun.
Let's say that's the person.
And now this person is wanted for that crime, which is a felony.
Let's say they're driving.
And the unarmed person pulls them over for whatever means the division is able to do it.
The lights turn on, I guess.
They have some kind of car.
And they get out.
What do you think happens to a person in a situation like this?
forrest cooper
You do have a disparity of power, and you also have a disparity of the duty.
So is it the duty of the unarmed civilian to pull somebody over?
Or is it just a privilege of their position?
Right?
tim pool
Please, please stop.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, you're powerless to employ it, but is there the burden, the onus of the state on you to go do it?
Do you have a quota?
Oh, well, there's more people drunk driving in our neighborhood right now.
Yeah, there are.
They're all armed.
And I'm not.
unidentified
Right?
forrest cooper
You're like, what are you going to do?
tim pool
Quotas are bad.
forrest cooper
You know, so it's the bureaucratic problem.
tim pool
I feel like this is opening the door to defund the police completely.
And it's kind of funny, too, because one of the ways police get funding is through tickets.
And I'm not a fan, especially when they do quotas.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So now it's like they're being defunded by taking away their ability to issue traffic violations.
forrest cooper
I think it can be seen as a lot more sinister, too.
So you take your example earlier.
They see you commit a violation or they put up traffic cameras and they see you run a red light.
Then they send a ticket to your house, which you cannot fight.
Or if you try to fight it, it's going to cost you time and money.
So you just sort of now have to pay it.
tim pool
Most people do.
forrest cooper
But if you don't, then they send armed people with guns to your house.
Now you have a position of creating that pipeline of going from, um, I don't like you.
I write you a ticket for something that could be bogus, could be legitimate.
It goes to your house knowing that you're not going to pay it.
And then you, instead of you, then, and then you don't fight it.
unidentified
This is, we're starting to, now they can search your house.
forrest cooper
Now they can search your house.
Now they can seize your property.
This is called, um, look at what, this was already in effect in London.
unidentified
Wow.
Right?
forrest cooper
You go to London, you run a red light, you park in the wrong place, you will have a ticket sent to your house, and you can't fight it.
tim pool
And then if you don't pay it, the cops show up, and now you've got some kind of crime they can let us in?
forrest cooper
It creates a paper trail.
It's crime by bureaucracy, not crime.
tim pool
Now, if they pull you over while you're driving, you get a ticket and don't pay it, they can still go to your house and arrest you and go into your house.
forrest cooper
Yes.
But there was somebody there to witness it.
That is the purpose of American policing, is that a person has to do it.
tim pool
I think, though, in the end, this would increase the likelihood of these, because I once got in the mail two tickets from Chicago.
Final determination, they said.
And I was like, what is this?
I had gotten two parking tickets for parking outside of my dad's place in Chicago, but I had a permit.
I had a parking permit.
I guess a cop, somebody wrote me two tickets, never put them on my car.
I never got notice of them until it was a final determination.
And so when I got it, I called and said, what is this?
I have a permit to park where I did.
And they were like, sir, it's too late.
You lost your chance to fight the ticket.
So imagine you get pulled over.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
You get pulled over.
You get a ticket.
You don't pay it.
They can eventually come to your house maybe to serve a warrant for failure to appear or something like that.
But let's say you never even knew you did anything wrong.
Let's say you didn't do anything wrong.
Let's say you were driving right and one of these unarmed people was just like, eh, he blew a stop sign as far as I'm concerned.
You get a ticket in the mail, you never realize it came in the mail.
You're like, I don't know what these are, you throw it in the trash.
Then one day they show up at your house, and you're like, what's happening?
When there's an interaction between you and the officer, I think there's a likelihood you're gonna be aware of what's happening.
This will probably increase the likelihood cops start showing up to people's homes, and I can only imagine that would maintain the same ratio of violent encounters.
forrest cooper
It's not going to get better.
That's for sure.
I mean, it's not.
It's because now you're going to take the the cultural perception of the police as a threat in certain areas.
And you're going to cross that.
We're going to paint that across the whole population.
Right.
tim pool
But apparently I was reading this and they they are going to pull people over.
forrest cooper
Yes.
tim pool
So I can only imagine that people are gonna be like, you get pulled over, and a guy walks up in like a polo and khakis, and he's like, um, excuse me sir, you are speeding, I'm supposed to write you a, who are you, are you a cop?
No sir, I'm not a cop.
Later.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
tim pool
What obligation do I have to stop for someone who's not a cop?
forrest cooper
I mean, are you just gonna look back in your mirror and say it's a red and yellow light, not a red and blue light, so I might as well just drive home?
Oh, I live in a gated community, you're not allowed in here, so if you come in here I'm gonna call the actual cops to tell you to not come in.
tim pool
I think it's funny.
I think it's funny.
These people go around smashing up windows, starting fires.
We saw what happened right now in Minneapolis.
People are freaking out.
They're demanding more cops.
They're increasing the budgets.
And then this one town, Brooklyn Center, which is basically due north, all of a sudden they're like, we're going to do the opposite.
We're just going to carte blanche.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, Brooklyn Center is going to get eaten by Minneapolis.
It's going to get folded in.
tim pool
I mean, has that happened recently?
forrest cooper
Folded in?
It's within the counties.
Brooklyn Center is essentially Minneapolis.
tim pool
So what's it like living in Minneapolis?
Is it the apocalyptic wasteland we all believe it is because we watch nothing but internet videos?
forrest cooper
It's not completely the apocalyptic wasteland.
tim pool
But it is basically Kabul or Mosul.
forrest cooper
It feels a lot more like being in Kandahar than it does like being in America.
tim pool
Do you mean that for real?
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean it's not quite the same.
I'm not driving an armored vehicle around, but we have new SOP, standard operating procedures, amongst us and our friends and our family.
tim pool
You actually served though.
unidentified
yeah i was in the military for so so just discusses apply a lot of people
tim pool
like he has no idea what he's talking about minneapolis if not you're
forrest cooper
actually no i i have i have had the uh... privilege of being in the
armed forces It's a great time.
ian crossland
What did you do in the military?
forrest cooper
I was a Ranger, Army Ranger.
So it was a great time.
tim pool
So now being back home and it's like, what, similar?
forrest cooper
Not as bad.
Yeah.
I mean, no one's burning tires to block the roadways for three months of the year.
tim pool
There's an autonomous zone where they put up barricades and threaten people with violence.
forrest cooper
So in the same way, there are places that we just don't go.
Like there are roads you don't take.
No go zones.
There's definitely like, hey, we communicate, my family, we communicate and it's like, hey, I'm going to go get groceries.
Okay, cool.
I mean, that's kind of normal for some people, but we're definitely more conscious about Is this new?
we're looking at, what threats we're looking for, what kind of concerns we have, and then
we have a little network of people that are all friends and families in the Twin Cities
that we're all looking out for each other.
tim pool
Is this new?
Like these behaviors and these offensive tactics?
forrest cooper
It absolutely initiated last year when the riot started.
We spontaneously set it up.
We just called all the people that we knew.
We built a kind of a network through social media conversation or through signal or through text messages and we established ways that we talk to each other so that we could very effectively verify rumors.
So one of the worst things that happened during the riots last year, not this year, was essentially the entirety of social media became an advertisement for things that aren't happening.
The white supremacists are coming down from New Brighton.
These people are coming from here.
We just saw this thing happen.
And it was like everyone was on so high alert that they were spreading rumors so quickly, which added to the fervor.
It added to the terror in the sense And so one of the things that we had to do as a community is, by our own volition, by our own choice, verify information ourselves.
So, okay, if someone's saying that this is on fire or they're moving towards... One of the concerns that they had last year was, If the police provide a strong enough presence in defending a precinct or they harden targets in like, when they mean harden target, like make it difficult for people to loot and riot in certain areas, they're going to move into the residential areas.
So the moment we heard that, it was like, okay, how can we verify that information?
Because that sounds a lot like hearsay, but it also has a big threat.
tim pool
So you're basically creating like a neighborhood watch.
Is that what happened?
forrest cooper
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an honor.
Yeah.
It's an neighborhood watch.
unidentified
Unofficial.
tim pool
It's like, you know, your chat group.
Remember when I was talking about this, maybe like a week or two ago when I said, what's going to start happening is there's more violence.
You'll see the formation of like local community groups.
forrest cooper
Exactly.
tim pool
They'll start texting each other.
Hey, I heard this.
Are you all right?
Text, you know, there'll be text groups and it's going to escalate from there.
forrest cooper
Yeah, and we took it a step further of having triggers and conditions.
Or conditions and appropriate responses.
So like, in the event that X happens, we do Y. Right?
In the event that we see this happen, so like, if the protest goes to this precinct, we go to this person's house and get their wife and child out.
unidentified
Wow.
forrest cooper
And move them out of the city, put them into a safe house.
And we did that.
We had to do exactly that.
tim pool
You mentioned earlier, you said, for the time being.
So you're getting out, aren't you?
forrest cooper
Yeah!
We're looking at moving out of state.
Our families are there, but there's not a lot of reason to live in Minneapolis right now.
It does not look like a bright future.
tim pool
Everybody's going to Texas, I guess.
forrest cooper
Texas is a big one, yeah.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy when you mention these streets you don't go down.
That's a new thing since the start of the riots.
That's why I asked you.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, the term Minnesota nice is not entirely pejorative.
It also does mean that like, generally speaking, you can drive through most of the city and not be in actual fear for your life.
But when I go to a place and I see a roadblock with armed people that just by looking at them know that they have no idea what they're doing with that firearm, given it's their right to have it, but I know that they're not going to, they don't know what they're doing with it.
I'm not going to put myself in the position of no reward and all risk.
tim pool
I want to show you guys this post I found on Reddit.
So I'm browsing Reddit and political humor.
If you go on Reddit and you click All, you'll see every post.
It is a hive of scum and villainy.
It's just a lot of people who are really dumb.
They don't do research.
It's very tribal.
Political humor.
This was one of the front page posts.
It says, radical left?
It shows a photo from the Capitol and says, it cracks me up when the left is referred to as radical, as if the left is running around carrying assault rifles, denying science, and discussing not accepting the election results.
And I'm like, does any of these people have the internet four years ago?
Like, for four years did they use the internet?
First of all, okay, fair point.
No one is running around with assault rifles.
That's just stupid.
forrest cooper
Nope.
tim pool
No one, not anyone, I mean, it'd be kind of a crazy thing to see a guy running around with, like, an actual M16, or maybe even, like, a legit belt-fed machine gun of some sort.
But no, uh, no one's doing that.
I think they just mean rifle in general.
Okay, well, the left is doing that like a hundred times more often than the right does it.
They've been denying science and the election for four years.
But these people, they live in a bubble.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I think it's funny.
I wanted to bring this up because you're mentioning Minneapolis.
You know, you live there.
And I'm like, they got... I was reading a story where it was like 30 gunshots ring out at like 10 p.m.
And then it's like by 11 p.m.
another 30 gunshots ring out.
A guy's on a rooftop.
They say, Star Tribune, I think it was an op-ed.
They say a guy on a rooftop with an assault rifle.
And I'm like, it's probably just a regular rifle.
But I get your point.
There's a guy on a roof with a gun.
forrest cooper
I've seen the picture, and I know where the gunshots happened.
So what's going on?
tim pool
What's going on in the Autonomous Zone?
forrest cooper
So in the Autonomous Zone, from what I understand, and this is going to be a combination of... It's a difficult piece to explain entirely, but what you have is essentially people thinking that the cops are going to come in and raid their buildings.
So you'll have like when you the picture that we're talking about was classically a guy on a rooftop with an AR-15 style rifle sitting up there like he's providing overwatch for the city, right?
Or for for the neighborhood.
So in case a police officer or the police come down or whatever, maybe it's something this guy wanted to shoot cops.
I'm not going to ascribe that.
I can't tell you what he wanted, but maybe he was genuinely afraid for his neighborhood.
Maybe he was afraid that a rival gang was going to do something.
I don't know.
But I do know that if you go out into Minneapolis at night and you go into the right neighborhoods, you will find people on rooftops with guns.
You will find people.
tim pool
But that's just like rooftop Koreans, right?
Like people who want to protect their businesses.
forrest cooper
In some cases, I'm assuming yes, but let's let's just hope so.
tim pool
There was.
forrest cooper
Protect them from who, though?
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
Is the rioters or you can make the argument that the autonomous zone is trying to protect their people from cops taking in.
You could say that people in that area were trying to protect their own business.
tim pool
These people are insane about cops.
Like, do you know what happens?
I'm going to let everyone in a big secret.
And this is going to shock a lot of people.
You know what would happen if you were in a big city and you were just walking down the street and there were two cops in front of you and they were walking down the street?
You know what would happen if you walked past those cops?
forrest cooper
Absolutely nothing.
tim pool
Absolutely nothing.
It's like, Chicago is notorious for its bad cops.
We had a video where like, this cop grabbed, not a video but a story about a cop, grabbed a meter maid because she was riding, he parked illegally, she wouldn't take it, so he grabbed her by the throat and lifted her up and slammed her against the wall.
Chicago is notorious for crooked cops.
And I see a cop on the street, I'm like, howdy.
unidentified
Hey.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
tim pool
These people are like, put up barricades.
We need guns.
There are police.
They're hunting us.
They're really delusional, man.
But I'll mention this.
I think it was in Philly during the riots.
There were people tweeting like, hey, stay away from this neighborhood.
There's a bunch of, you know, far right guys on roofs with guns, on rooftops with guns.
And they post a photo of a bunch of dudes on roofs with guns.
All the businesses were safe.
unidentified
Yep.
forrest cooper
No, uh, we saw, we encountered a place in Minneapolis that, uh, this last year, if you looked at, um, New Brighton and where all the looting was, um, we, we got to, I got to meet some people that it was, it was four guys outside of a tobacco shop.
Um, and they all had, they all had AK-47s and they're just chilling there because that was one of two buildings that did not get looted in the area.
tim pool
And the good news is the left only wants to ban, uh, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say the left, the Democrats only want to ban AR-15.
So AKs are totally fine.
forrest cooper
Yeah, let's hope so.
I mean, we already instituted a ban of Russian-made AKs.
Like, import bans is a big issue.
So, good news is a lot of companies have moved their manufacturing to the United States.
But that is a backdoor form.
tim pool
I just think it's funny when they tweet all day like, you know, we got a ban on AR-15s.
No one should have one.
I'm like, I'll get an AK.
Got it, buddy.
Thanks.
Do you know anything about what you're saying?
Because it's meaningless.
forrest cooper
Yeah, you gotta ask the question every once in a while with gun control is, is it ignorance or is it malice?
Those are two different things.
tim pool
Yeah, it's definitely malice.
forrest cooper
Oh, yeah.
And at what point in time does ignorance become malice?
Because if you look at the foray of data that we have in any relating to gun violence and gun control, I mean, it's not a hard argument to make.
The problem is that you've made it so many times that no one cares anymore.
All the big violence happens in places where there's gun control.
Perhaps we should start making the conclusion that gun control begets violence.
tim pool
And I think malice, so obviously nothing's absolute, there's probably a lot of ignorant people who just follow along, but it's gotta be malice, and you need to understand this, when you make the same argument 800,000 times, and they don't care and keep lying, okay, it's not ignorance anymore.
Like, when someone says that stupid meme, you know, no self-respecting hunter would use an assault weapon, and then you're like, okay, first of all, assault weapon is a nebulous term that means different things in different places, and it's ill-defined, because I love that meme of the Ruger 10-22 with and without a pistol grip, and one's an assault weapon and one's not.
And then you mention that hunters use AR-15s.
Like, I think it's the most popular rifle used in hunting.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I wouldn't say the most popular, but it's very common.
And you gotta look at the different types of hunting, because hunting is a broad spectrum.
unidentified
Right, right.
forrest cooper
If you're hunting wild boar, absolutely.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Of course, I mean... But these people clearly don't know, don't care, and after you explain it, they say, shut up.
They just want a tribal win, and they want to take power away from you for themselves.
forrest cooper
Or it's worse, because they just want to have a conversation.
Right?
They just want to have a conversation, right?
The story that I get to have is when I went to college after the military, in my senior year, the Parkland shooting happened.
And so the woke chapter of the school decided to get together and host a conversation about gun control.
The extent of the knowledge of the people in the room, there was me, one other veteran, and a guy who had grown up hunting and who was an avid hunter.
The three of us were the only three who had ever owned firearms, ever bought them, and the other 30 people, the extent of their knowledge on anything to do with firearms, was watching a single Vice video.
tim pool
Oh, so they were well-versed and experienced.
forrest cooper
Yeah, well, the point is like... I was kidding.
Oh, absolutely, right?
They knew exactly what they're talking about.
And the problem that you have there is we can look at each other as equals, as people, but we do not have equal information.
We do not know, you don't, when someone thinks that they deserve a position at the table, when they're not even capable of being literate on the subject, why are we debating?
tim pool
Are you saying service guarantees citizenship?
forrest cooper
I am reading that book for the first time because you've mentioned it.
I'm reading Starship Troopers for the first time right now.
tim pool
Well, yeah, it's a huge problem, especially for me, because I got, there's a photo of me that Mike Feede took, so he came out, he's the BMX guy from the vlogs, and he came out with us, and as I was carrying the Barrett, which is a ridiculously large and heavy gun, I had this, you know, grin, let's put it that way.
forrest cooper
It was a grin.
tim pool
It was a grin.
I'd call it something more, but we don't swear, we don't do that here.
And so, no, a swear grin, it's a, you know.
Anyway, somebody commented Tim's journey from, I'm in favor of some reasonable gun control to Two Absolutists is the greatest character arc ever or something like that.
And I was like, it's a good point.
And the issue was I lived in a city.
I was interested in hearing the thoughts and opinions of those who owned guns, but having never fought, having, well, I did fire one, but having not owned any or gone through the process to own any or learned anything about different types of ammunition or weapons, I was like, I think a conversation makes sense.
There's some things we can do.
And then, when the rides broke out, someone tried breaking into my house.
I'll tell you this.
So much I'd break into my house and then they made this really really hilarious meme where it was like You know, you know the Sheba's that are all like weak and pathetic.
Yeah Yeah, and it was it was like Tim in 2019 and it was the weak sad one saying help someone's trying to break into my house call 9-1-1 and then it was like Tim pool 2020 and it's like the big rip dog carrying a bunch of guns and he's like you get what you deserve and So after someone tried breaking in, the cop told me, he's like, I'll paraphrase, he basically said, get a gun.
And he said, if it were me, here's what I'd do.
So I went to a local police station and I said, what's the process for New Jersey?
And they gave me information that was bad.
And then I went online, looked it up, and I got information that was bad.
And then I was like, I don't have time for this.
I'm working crazy hours and everything.
So I just lost track of things.
Then when the riots kicked off, I was like, I have no choice.
And the mistake I made was I should have went to the gun shop first.
They want to sell me the gun.
They need to make sure I can get the paperwork.
I think it took me like two months to finally be able to go and pick up the equipment.
And, you know, we were talking earlier in the show about Steven Crowder sending me the Sig M400.
The reason I couldn't get it for a year I could have got it sooner, but I couldn't get it because they sent it to New Jersey, which has insane laws, which made it very difficult.
The gun had to be modified in several ways before I could pick it up, before they could ship it out to any other store.
And so there was a process, and it fell through, and I'm like, I don't have time to deal with this.
They put all these roadblocks in the way to make sure you basically can't do it.
Well, now we're basically in West Virginia, and so they just snap their fingers, and here you go.
That's what constitutional carry is like.
forrest cooper
So that was New Jersey you were moving from?
tim pool
Yeah, leaving New Jersey.
forrest cooper
And so you couldn't own the firearm in its current state because of New Jersey law.
tim pool
Yep.
Which makes no sense.
forrest cooper
Which essentially what you're saying is that New Jersey law says that you are legal if you are incapable and you are illegal if you are capable.
lydia smith
Yeah.
forrest cooper
I mean, yep, so that means they don't trust you, and that means it's malice.
tim pool
I just think it was funny, so when we were filming the vlog, and I'm at the gun shop picking up the Sig M400, finally gets shipped in, and one of the guys at the shop, so I do the background check, I do Nick's, and they were researching me, so it was a little bit longer, but it was like 15 minutes.
And then he says, congratulations, you know, Uncle Sam says you're allowed to have the gun.
And I was like, oh, thank you, Uncle Sam, for allowing me to exercise my inalienable right.
That's where we're currently at.
It's a rifle.
It's it's crazy because these leftists that there's there's a lot of ignorant ones, but the people who work for these nonprofits, the people who are running policy.
They know that an AR-15 is one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out.
They know.
There's no way that they've spent 10, 15, 20 years advocating to ban guns, and they've not actually ever Google-searched any of them.
They know they're lying.
They know they use assault weapon to scare people.
forrest cooper
Yeah, there's a classic argument that says something like there's no such thing as an assault weapon.
And here's a little known industry secret.
Nobody likes no no, a fully automatic weapon is 100% a hobbyist tool with the exception of very specific military applications.
If you're not using a belt fed machine gun or a submachine gun, like a fully automatic ar 15 has almost no value.
tim pool
Yeah, we've talked about it quite a bit on the show.
I think I remember who it was.
Maybe it was Jim.
Was it Jim, maybe?
lydia smith
Probably Jim Hansen.
tim pool
Jim Hansen, mentioning... Maybe it was.
Maybe it was somebody else.
In Vietnam, it was spray and pray.
And so they just waste so much ammo, and they're like, we can't do this.
It's ineffective.
So they wanted to make people use semi-auto.
It's more precise.
forrest cooper
Well yeah, so you think about body mechanics, like when I'm, every individual pull of the trigger, you look at, go look at like a three gun competition and go look at someone who's really good at it.
That guy shoots really fast.
It almost looks like he's shooting fully automatic.
The fact is that he's doing is each, with each pull of the trigger, he is making a conscious decision to pull that trigger and put that bullet as best as he can where he wants it.
So if I'm just holding the trigger and holding it and swinging my gun around like a hose, I'm probably not going to hit my target.
tim pool
I think if anybody's played a game, like, you ever played The Division?
forrest cooper
I played the first one for about a week.
tim pool
Division was awesome.
Uh, Division 2 was pretty good, but I really liked the first one, and then I, I stopped playing.
I don't play that many video games.
But, you, in, in that game, it's actually pretty great, because you can get, like, real guns.
You know, and, I always played, I always used, like, my favorite gun to use in the game was the, was the M1, or M1A or whatever, because, for that reason.
A lot of people I know would like to use, you know, submachine guns or whatever in the game.
Literally, it's a video game.
It's called The Division.
But then you're, you're, it's pray and praying.
You're like, just hoping your, your accuracy will be high enough.
Whereas the way I'd play is just like, one, one, one, you know?
forrest cooper
Yeah, you look at a game like Call of Duty and your character can take an M4 concept and hold it on a decent circle for just the whole magazine.
That's not really... I mean, you can do that.
You technically can, but it's just not... Not only is it not efficient, but it's sort of like...
Is it really video games that are driving the culture?
Which is why I cannot wait until one of these big companies comes out and they make a game where you're using the guns like people do in the military.
So you're running around with your M4 and it's on single shot.
tim pool
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Because that's exactly how you're gonna do it.
And so, yeah, given the whole fully automatic mechanic is a little bit more, I don't know, video game normal?
It's Doom, I guess?
You can paraphrase Halo to this?
tim pool
Man, I remember growing up and I'm watching a movie and it was my dad sitting there and my dad always would always, you know, comment and say things and predict things.
And then there's, I can't remember what movie it was.
I'm a little kid.
And then like the bad guy sneaks into the room and then my dad goes, silence her.
And then the guy pulls out a gun and goes, yep.
And like people grow up believing that stuff's real.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, go watch the movie Django Unchained.
And in one of the late scenes of the movie, the main character shoots another person at one angle.
tim pool
And he flies the other way?
forrest cooper
And they fly a different direction.
unidentified
That's Quentin being awesome, by the way.
tim pool
That was funny.
forrest cooper
We hope to trust that it's Quentin Tarantino making fun of his own, not taking his work too seriously.
I remember that scene, it was great.
unidentified
It's great, right?
forrest cooper
But now people will watch movies and they will legitimately think that's how it works.
tim pool
And then they ban things based on the movies!
forrest cooper
Yeah, what is that Gelman amnesia effect where you're reading the news, you read an article that you are an expert in, and you realize it's all bunk, you turn the page, and then you're like, huh?
It's the same thing with firearms.
If you're a doctor or a nurse, you know that the nurse TV shows are not really that accurate.
But then you, so when you watch NCIS, it's not the same.
tim pool
A Department of Diagnostics.
You ever watch House?
forrest cooper
I did.
tim pool
I saw a couple episodes.
forrest cooper
It's a good show.
Yeah.
tim pool
It was basically, I guess the premise of House was like Sherlock Holmes as a doctor or something.
And so he gets a mystery.
I mean, people believe this stuff.
Like, I was reading a story about how people would go to the doctor and they would ask the doctor, like, what's wrong with me?
I'm sick.
And when they'd be like, well, we're not entirely sure.
We'll give you a scan.
They'd be like, can you send me to diagnostics?
They'd be like, what?
Be like, like Dr. House.
They'd be like, that's not real.
That's a TV show.
There's no, like, head doctor to just break into your home and steal your bath soap to try and figure out if it's got a chemical in it.
That's what they do in the show.
Like, the doctors would literally break into the person's house and then, like, take their Drano and be like, look what we found.
This is what's killing him.
You know what, man?
I don't know how you solve for that problem because you're allowed to have TV shows, but people believe TV and movies are real too much.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I would never want to have like an enforcement of accuracy committee, right?
I mean, there's a kind of a trope that goes about in the military that some people have lost their jobs because they went to advise entertainment and they were too accurate.
There's stories about that.
tim pool
What's the legitimate reason for making suppressors NFA items?
For those that aren't familiar, it's like you gotta file a tax, it takes like nine months, you get your fingerprints, it's very difficult to buy.
forrest cooper
Yeah, there is a burden entry for owning a suppressor, which is an item that makes it safer to shoot the firearm.
Yeah, it's just insane!
What does it do?
It protects hearing damage.
Now, if you're going to universalize healthcare, and you're going to get more people with hearing damage, okay.
tim pool
So silencers aren't real.
forrest cooper
The term silencer is just a colloquial term.
There was a long time when people referred to them as silencer.
Right now people are using the term suppressor more often.
And I think some of that is as an attempt to better translate what the object does.
tim pool
That's so loud.
forrest cooper
They're still loud.
If the bullet breaks the sound barrier, you're still getting the sonic crack, and that's what's gonna hurt the most.
So yes, when you shoot a firearm that has a suppressor on, you're probably wearing ear protection as well.
tim pool
Yeah, I've fired a weapon with a suppressor.
It's still loud.
The recoil was better, and it wasn't as loud.
But it's like, people could hear it probably a mile away.
forrest cooper
If you know what it sounds like, yeah, you actually know what it sounds like.
But you were talking about events with people in the riots, where someone is launching fireworks, okay, but someone is shooting a gun, and they think it's fireworks.
tim pool
Well, so in these riots, it's almost never fireworks.
Sometimes people will throw fireworks, but in my experience, it's more often that someone's shooting a gun, and then you get really dumb journalists being like, it sounds like fireworks.
forrest cooper
There was a tactic in Minneapolis where activists were firing, whatever they were, were legitimately firing mortar fireworks at buildings and people.
tim pool
But those are very different booms, right?
forrest cooper
They are.
They are.
tim pool
You ever see firecrackers?
You get the right package, you're like... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Black cats?
forrest cooper
Is that what they're called?
tim pool
No, those aren't black cats, are they?
unidentified
Maybe.
lydia smith
I think they are.
tim pool
Yeah, they're like a little red and white ones and you let them to go pop and I've and actually we had some recently
we were yeah, we had some recently we just pop them off in the parking lot or whatever, but
Journalists for some reason think that people just carry those around with them in cities
Especially in like, you know crime ridden areas during riots
forrest cooper
Yeah, you can't buy them in Minneapolis, which means you have to go to a different state to get them.
tim pool
Or it's a gun.
Or people are going, pop, pop, pop, pop, and they're like, just fireworks, just, you know, whatever, it's fine.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
Again, their information that's being given to them is bad.
tim pool
Let's get a little apocalyptic, I suppose.
We're talking about guns, the right to keep and bear, and all that stuff.
forrest cooper
Can we just go post-apocalyptic?
tim pool
Post-apocalyptic?
We're not there yet!
We got this story from the Daily Mail.
Gas prices climbed to 7-year high of $3.04 a gallon, despite Colonial Pipeline reopening after Darkseid hack.
All right, so this is what I don't understand.
They said it was panic buying.
People are just panic buying, you know, and that's why there's no gas in D.C.
and much of these places.
And then we found out that the Friday the hack happened.
Within three hours, they paid the ransom to shut it down.
So why did they shut down the pipeline?
Why was supply threatened if they paid the ransom?
Did they lie to the government, which resulted in bad information and a panic?
Did they disrupt supply, which led to panic and then an actual shortage?
Something doesn't add up.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to exacerbate inflation.
And it's already getting crazy, man.
I mean, you know, we went to the restaurant after shooting and we waited like two hours for food because they had no staff.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yep.
And we it was it was miserable.
I mean, I don't want to be mean at the restaurant They were trying and I respect them for working like two people on staff for this restaurant Because nobody wants to work now gas prices are super high.
So here's what we're talking about.
So we're sitting there We thought I was gonna be 45 minutes, you know, you go in you order you get food you leave and then at like two hours I'm like, okay, we're gonna get up and go and then the food finally comes out and I was like, here's what happens.
I The prices are skyrocketing, and people are getting unemployment benefits.
They're getting $16 an hour not to work.
Now Joe Biden's saying he's gonna do the $300 tax credit for, you know, up for every kid.
So now families can get like three grand for their kids.
So now you got people who just don't wanna work.
So now you got one line cook at your restaurant.
Now you got all these people come in, and he's going crazy trying to fill these orders, and eventually he just stops and says, for $15 an hour, no way, I'm done.
Now you got no cook.
Now you got no restaurant.
lydia smith
This kind of shortage is something that my parents have been concerned about for the entire time I've known them.
This is something that my grandparents were concerned about.
My grandparents were stockpiling in the mountains in New Mexico to make sure that they were safe if and when there was, for example, a trucker strike.
They were very concerned about, like, the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I think this was around that time.
And this is something that I think that modern people don't take seriously anymore.
And I think that there is like this derogatory term.
We're called preppers.
You don't want to be a prepper.
A prepper is some old redneck dude who just is everybody thinks they're crazy because they think the end of the world is coming.
Well, like Tim says, what if it rains?
Sometimes, sometimes it rains.
tim pool
That's what I think.
There's a difference between, you know, a prepper and what we would do, for instance.
lydia smith
Right, but there is like this, there's this stigma to just being prepared and people call it reactionary, which I was telling you earlier that I don't understand.
How can you be reactionary when something hasn't happened yet?
You're trying to think ahead.
I don't see that as being an issue.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
When did self-sufficiency become a pejorative?
tim pool
When the rich people want to make sure they can get gas and supplies before you, and then you'll get news outlets saying, we shouldn't report on this because then people will panic.
And then what they do is they whisper to their family, make sure you go buy gas right now.
forrest cooper
Yeah, like, would that be the same thing as saying, you don't need to wear a mask, you don't need to go out and buy one, so we can stockpile a bunch of them, and now we're gonna make it necessary?
So we're gonna make sure it hits our warehouse, so that we can charge you for it, not them.
tim pool
That's exactly what I'm saying!
So when the Colonial Pipeline stuff happens, and they're like, There's no supply shortage.
And then we're watching videos of cars lined up and gas stations shutting down, and it's like, what are you talking about?
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
tim pool
We meant in terms of the national supply.
Yeah, well, no one's asking about that.
They're asking about their local gas stations.
Yeah.
And meanwhile, these journalists are whispering, these security people are whispering, telling their friends and their family to go stock up while you still can.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Go buy your toilet paper before it's too late.
forrest cooper
Yeah, the I got mine philosophy.
You can ruin the system after I got mine.
Humans are selfish creatures to some extent, right?
ian crossland
Oh, for sure.
unidentified
Especially when panic takes hold.
tim pool
So now I'm wondering if this is... Well, I guess it doesn't matter if it's panic.
What matters is prices are going up.
There's a global shortage.
Now, I love this.
What did they say first?
There's no inflation problem.
Don't worry.
A week later, OK, there's inflation.
What should we do about it?
Now, Bloomberg publishes a story saying there's a global supply shortage of basically everything.
So what's happening is a combination of things.
You shut down the economy.
People stopped working.
They leave their jobs.
You can't just find people again.
Like, a steel mill isn't just going to be like, OK, let's just teleport someone here to start making the steel again.
A lot of these people left, moved.
A lot of people moved out of New York.
Half a million people moved out of New York.
What are you going to do to fill those jobs?
You can't do anything.
So now they can't just restart the economy.
The problem is, Biden is also just printing money and dishing it out to everybody, firing the money guns, so people don't need to go back to work.
If you don't make stuff, there's no stuff.
So now these businesses are struggling to get the stuff they need to make new stuff, and then people can't buy it.
So what happens?
Two people show up at the hot dog stand, and the guy's got one hot dog left.
What do you get?
You get a bidding war.
I'll give you $5 for it.
I'll give you $6, $7, $8, $9, $10.
unidentified
$15.
tim pool
I'm not spending $15 on a hot dog.
No, a hot dog costs $15.
Everybody's going to be fighting over these materials.
And one of the things that we're seeing, according to Bloomberg, is that a lot of businesses are buying as much raw material as possible, and then all of a sudden everything's sold out.
They're hoarding it, basically.
Panic buying.
ian crossland
That's ridiculous.
That's what they did.
There's a Canadian ad during World War I where they were like, do not hoard flour.
You guys ever seen that?
It's like a comic book ad.
tim pool
Ian, what did you just buy?
ian crossland
I bought about 250 pounds of flour.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Because I'm not panicking.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that.
ian crossland
I'm about eight months ahead of the curve.
tim pool
When does it expire?
ian crossland
Yeah, like two years, a year and a half, but we can freeze it too.
tim pool
You're going to eat 250 pounds of flour?
ian crossland
I think we go through about five pounds a week.
forrest cooper
So Ian engages in kneading bread as a stress reliever.
Is this what I need to know?
ian crossland
Yeah, I made two breads in the last two days.
tim pool
It makes a lot of bread.
ian crossland
And then I was pouring maple syrup on it, and then it soaks through the bread.
Then you mop it up, and it's like a French toast without having to cook it.
tim pool
You gotta get off all that sugar, man.
You're the guy who's ragging on sugar all the time.
ian crossland
According to Vladimir Putin, what you gotta do is learn to cook.
He was giving a talk to a bunch of college students, and they were like, Vlad, what should I do as a man, a Russian man?
And he's like, learn how to cook.
And they all laugh, and like, no, really, what should I do?
And he was like, learn how to cook.
tim pool
Because when the apocalypse comes, and you're eating rabbit, learn how to cook.
ian crossland
It's going to take two hours at the store, then it's going to be four hours, then it's going to be closed.
forrest cooper
I'm so thankful that my family taught me how to cook as a kid.
And it was just because I come from a culinary family.
Shout out to mom.
tim pool
Speaking of hunting for food, we let Bucko out.
He's like an outside cat.
He caught a baby rabbit.
And he started eating it on the porch.
And he got blood on the porch.
And I'm like, dude, you're getting stains.
I'm like, what are you doing?
And then he just looked at me and went... And I'm like, OK, dude.
And then he went off and hunting again.
He's loving it.
But, you know, it's funny to talk about the cat doing these things, but he's got the right idea, man.
I think people need to get back to some of those basic survival skills.
I'm not saying people should go and eat cicadas out of the ground.
That's insane.
But I think it's important that people learn how to do some basic stuff.
Go camping.
Remember when the Boy Scouts were all about like, I don't know, just being a well-rounded person and learning how to be responsible and now it's just weird cult diversity.
forrest cooper
Oh yeah.
Yeah, the origin of Boy Scouts is like a pretty cool tale of heroism.
And now it's it's it's nothing but like American mediocrity.
What is the origin of it?
It was if I'm not mistaken, it was a it was a war veteran, I think from World War One.
I'm pretty sure it was a World War One veteran who basically came back to the United States and wanted to provide a program for young men, young boys to become better people through individual challenges.
lydia smith
I love it.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
So like it's the whole idea of the merit badges is so that the kids can get some sort of the young boys can learn some sort of concept of forward thinking and planning.
So I want to get this achievement.
This is what I have to do to accomplishment.
I can't just buy it.
tim pool
It's like a video game.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
I mean, it is a proto video game.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Very much so a proto video game.
tim pool
Well, anyway, Ian, you're mentioning something about, you know, don't hoard flour.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
What was that?
What was that?
Could I cut you off?
ian crossland
Oh, in Canada, in World War I, they had, like, national, like, do not hoard flour.
It's a felony.
I don't know if it was what they called it, but they would, like, come to your house and arrest you, and there's a picture of cops, like, walking by the house, and people inside hiding their flour.
tim pool
That sounds communist.
ian crossland
Because as the food starts to disappear, they're gonna tell you, don't hoard.
forrest cooper
I mean, does anybody else want to laugh at that a command economy, which is always supposed to eliminate scarcity, automatically immediately produces scarcity?
tim pool
As people are dumb.
forrest cooper
I mean, it's a self-correcting problem though.
It's like, okay, let the command economy do the thing and we're gonna go be self-sufficient over here.
ian crossland
Well, hold on.
tim pool
I hear you.
What, a hundred million dead?
forrest cooper
It's not I'm not saying it's not a tragedy.
It's terrible.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, these communist countries did technically correct themselves by collapsing into themselves.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Failing.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
But they were able to just murder their way into maintaining power for for a century.
forrest cooper
Because the people of capacity, whether it's moral or capability, either left the country or were killed.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, that's the big problem.
Could you imagine, you know, an able-bodied man of good moral standing and principle living in an urban center and then freaking out because of rides and being like, I don't want to live here, and then leaving?
Or somebody who maybe lives in an area like that planning on leaving?
forrest cooper
Are you saying I'm able-bodied?
tim pool
I'm talking about me and you, actually.
I'm joking, I'm joking.
Because we were in the Philly area and I was like, we shouldn't be here.
But my, you know, all right, making fun of myself, over with.
What I think when we leave these areas, we voted.
And we advocated.
And we talked.
And the community votes for self-immolation.
And I don't want to be a part of that.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I'm not interested in saving the city.
When you look at the Second Amendment, there's two ways that it's often interpreted from the positive side.
So we're going to make the assumption that those who are arguing for gun control either disdain or don't care about the Second Amendment.
But now you have the Second Amendment, people who defend it on sort of tribalism, it's a little bit more political, and then you have people who understand the principle of it.
So for me, you know, you think about it simply, the fact that people over 200 years ago wrote on a piece of paper the Second Amendment, you know, the right to write no and bear arms, whatever, the Second Amendment, the fact that they put that on paper Doesn't really mean anything for me.
What really means, because that paper is not going to defend me against a malicious actor.
The fact is that that paper is there to inform the American people that it's like, it is your God-given right.
It is a human right, not a civil right, to own a firearm.
unidentified
Yep.
forrest cooper
It's a human right.
And so that sounds like, it sounds sort of, well, you know the term human right is thrown around a lot today.
Why is it a human right?
The right to self-defense is something that you have because you're a human.
Whether or not you believe it's because of Imago Dei and you're coming from the Christian heritage, or you think about human equality, if you believe in human equality at all, you would never in any way argue for one group of people to go to another group of people and disarm them, because now they're not equal.
tim pool
So since when does Second Amendment not include swords?
forrest cooper
I mean, I know there are places where you can't own swords, but... Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's interesting when you look at some states where they ban basically every, every version of a weapon in any capacity except for guns, because Second Amendment.
And I'm like, it says to keep and bear arms.
forrest cooper
Yeah, you can't, like, there's places where you can't own a, you cannot carry brass knuckles, but you can carry a six-shooter.
tim pool
I think that's ridiculous.
As if the Founding Fathers at that time only used muskets.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, there's tons of weapons.
tim pool
They had knives, they had bows and arrows.
lydia smith
Big knives.
tim pool
Cannons.
forrest cooper
Well, we have the American Bowie knife.
Classic example.
tim pool
I think one of the biggest mistakes that has been made over the past, you know, 100 plus years or whatever, is that even 2A advocates have fallen into the trap of arguing only on behalf of guns.
As if the Founding Fathers literally only had muzzle-loading muskets and nothing else.
I'm pretty sure that keeping their arms they carried knives with them and they
probably didn't consider someone come and take away now you get states that are like your knives are gone your
batons are gone you can't carry a baseball bat unless you also a baseball
and can prove your own a baseball game
you can't carry a sock full of quarters can't do that but a gun okay second amendment
forrest cooper
possession is considered intent Of what?
tim pool
Baseball bat or sack of quarters?
forrest cooper
No, you owning a firearm is perceived as you wanting to do violence on somebody.
tim pool
I'm just saying, I think the Second Amendment includes any weapon.
forrest cooper
I agree with you, absolutely.
tim pool
But there's tons of places that have banned swords.
forrest cooper
Yeah, okay, let's not say they've banned swords.
They've infringed upon your human rights.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
forrest cooper
Let's not say that they've banned swords.
They haven't banned swords.
They are saying that we will do violence against you if you own something that can do violence.
tim pool
So, in that capacity, I'm just saying, it's great that they built this shield in written word that protected us for a good couple hundred years.
We'd be worse off without the Constitution, no doubt.
But at this point, imagine... Look at it this way.
There is a great giant dragon beast that is government authoritarianism.
And it's been breathing fire on the noble hero who's holding up the Constitution as a shield.
And eventually that shield starts burning through, and... Long enough period of time of sustained government authoritarianism, and we start losing our rights.
Interestingly, we have this Supreme Court case.
So, SCOTUS rules police cannot search homes without warrants in the name of community caretaking.
This is unanimous.
Nine to zero.
So that's promising.
Even the liberal justices were like, a cop can't go into your house without a warrant and take all your guns because they think you're ill or something.
It's a good sign.
But it's crazy to me that the argument is getting close to the red flag law stuff.
And a lot of people, I guess right now, are like, oh, of course they can't without a warrant.
But what they've been actively trying to do is get a warrant claiming that you're unwell and then violating your rights.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
Disarming you through subversive means.
And it's in, I think it's according to the Geneva Convention, disarming a population is considered an act of war.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
As it should be.
forrest cooper
I think, I believe that somewhere it's either that or it's Karl von Clausewitz, but we haven't had a von Clausewitz in a while.
lydia smith
So you might know this, but what percentage of the time is a genocide preceded by removing guns from the general population?
Because I was able to come up with more than one example to send to someone I was arguing with.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a hundred percent, but it's basically a hundred percent.
Yeah.
I mean, it's because they are one in the same.
And this is how you think about tyranny.
So we often think, or the thing is oftentimes said something like, Well, if you disarm a population, then you will have genocide, or then you'll have some sort of massive tragedy, horrible authoritarian argument.
And so we use it as this argument of like, the one begets the other.
I don't think that's the right way to think about it.
I don't think it's the right way to think about it because it creates an opportunity for someone to say, we won't do it this time.
Okay, we'll take away your guns, but we won't genocide you this time.
You're essentially holding your entirety of your existence and your hope on the fact that they won't do something.
Whereas, I think the better way to think about it is, the act of taking the firearms away from somebody is wrong in the exact same way as it is to target a population in that way.
Well, one doesn't beget the other, they fall in the same vein.
tim pool
You need to understand that if the Earth is to join the Galactic Federation, we can't have a bunch of crazies with guns who are going to shoot the aliens when they show up, so they gotta disarm us for the sake of the Galactic Federation, right?
forrest cooper
Your condescension is coming through.
tim pool
Nah, I'm just being ridiculous.
No, I'm just kidding.
What it is, it's a bunch of elites who would lie to the general public to protect themselves and their family.
They would tell you there's no gas shortage so they can go buy gas before you can.
They would tell you that everything's fine.
There's tons of toilet paper so they can buy it up before you can.
They would buy a bunch of stock while serving in Congress and then pass regulations on these companies which benefit their stock decisions, their trading decisions.
And they would come out and say, you can't own weapons because safety.
Now, for me, I've got five armed guards around me at all times, paid for by your tax dollars.
forrest cooper
Yeah, and we saw this last year.
The exact same people that were arguing to defund the police spent millions of dollars making sure they had very armed people protecting their house.
And you can't look at that and say, oh, that's funny.
You should look at that and go, like, appalled by that.
Even the people who voted for this.
tim pool
We do, man.
I mean, the people who watch a show like this, Probably most conservatives.
We are appalled by that, but there is a large faction in this country of extremely ignorant tribal individuals who have no idea what's going on.
I posted this on Facebook.
I said, what happened to all those people who used to come in my mentions and just, like, promote Joe Biden and rag about Trump?
They're all gone.
All gone.
You know why?
Because they never cared about Biden.
forrest cooper
Because you, what, bought guns?
Now you're a bad conservative man?
tim pool
No, back during the election, all of these people I knew who cared nothing for politics never did, all of a sudden were like, Oh, Biden, we had to vote for Biden.
We must do it.
And then Biden gets elected and they're gone.
They no longer care about Trump.
They no longer care about Biden.
They don't care about politics.
Now they post about stupid nonsense.
And I'm like, I thought, what about all those things you were?
So what happens is these people now have voted for a man who is by like every objective metric failing.
And I love these op-eds where they're like, Biden's had the best hundred days of any president ever.
And I'm like, yeah, if your head's in the toilet, you're not paying attention.
But a lot of people, a lot of these people just walked away anyway.
So now things are getting worse.
And too many of these people vote for trash laws and leave us worse off for it.
I don't know how you solve for that.
Unless like Starship Troopers or whatever.
unidentified
I don't know.
forrest cooper
Yeah, in order to vote, you must prove ownership of a firearm?
tim pool
Yeah.
forrest cooper
I mean, then you'd at least have skin in the game.
It's meant to be facetious, but it does get the point across.
tim pool
Mandatory gun ownership?
forrest cooper
I mean, the problem with containing something, a vote like this, it's not a very complicated problem.
It's that who gets to choose?
unidentified
Right?
forrest cooper
This is essentially the question of all power like this.
lydia smith
Thank you.
forrest cooper
Who gets to choose, right?
That's the question.
So if you make it, you know, one of the arguments that comes up is something like, we don't want people who are mentally, thankfully for the Supreme Court case that you were talking about, we don't want, we want to make sure at least to some extent people of certain mental issues don't own firearms, right?
We kind of want to, there's this sort of, it's, let's take the question honestly and look at it that way.
Yes, that's true.
Who gets to choose?
Big question.
tim pool
It is an interesting point, because I've brought up several times, the Second Amendment doesn't say the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed unless you're mentally ill.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I know, and it is a problem.
Like, it is a legitimate mental problem.
Or you say, like you were arguing about, if you do the time, if you pay your debt to society, you should have your rights restored.
tim pool
A good point was made to me, though, that the Constitution does allow for rights to be restricted after, or only through due process.
forrest cooper
Only through due process.
tim pool
So in mental deficiency, I believe through due process, then all right, I understand that argument.
That makes sense to me.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
tim pool
So if, if, if, you know, I own a bunch of guns and then there's a claim filed against my mental health and we go and there's a legal process and then after determining I'm unwell, then they come and take everything.
That makes sense to me.
I'm still worried about it because mental health is not objective.
forrest cooper
It's an ambiguous category.
In some ways, it is viewed as an ambiguous category.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So some guy can just be like, I was looking at Ian and he is crazy.
unidentified
My professional experience is that he is crazy and dangerous.
tim pool
And then the judge is like, I agree.
Seize his guns.
ian crossland
Anyone that's got like a medical marijuana card for stress or any kind of psychological issue could then be deemed like unwell and unfit to hold a gun.
tim pool
That's crazy.
Oh, yeah.
You can't buy a gun if you smoke pot, right?
forrest cooper
Well, you're not supposed to.
So can and should are different questions.
There is a question on the 4473 that asks, are you currently or are you consuming illegal substances?
And the 4473 is a federal document.
tim pool
Straight up, if you smoke pot, you can't buy a gun.
forrest cooper
So technically speaking, if you are committing a very big crime, if you are currently consuming marijuana, not like smoking it at the gun shop.
tim pool
I mean, that's... But not technically, literally.
The federal government literally says you are committing a crime if you consume these things.
Hunter Biden did it.
ian crossland
It's freaking crazy, man.
Schedule 1 narcotic marijuana.
tim pool
That makes no sense.
forrest cooper
What the heck?
Yeah, there's a parallel that's kind of coming through in the world, and this is kind of begging the question, but...
There's the joke, who won the war on drugs?
Weed won the war on drugs, right?
It's kind of a humor.
And how did weed win the war on drugs?
Mass non-compliance.
ian crossland
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Which was, you could also look at that in a sort of philosophical sense, it was self-reliance.
Well, the government's not going to let me have my weed, so I'm going to get it myself.
The government's not going to allow me to protect my family, so I'm going to figure it out myself.
tim pool
It's time to end the war on guns.
forrest cooper
Absolutely.
But how do you do it?
For us, we're doing it through culture.
We're doing it through going out and doing things.
We have our publications.
And what do we get for it?
We get pulled off of newsstands.
tim pool
Really?
forrest cooper
Yep.
Anything gun-related has been pulled off of newsstands.
No one talked about it.
You didn't see a giant New York Times post.
tim pool
When Google bans Gundam Wing because it's got gun in the name, you know they really don't like guns.
forrest cooper
But how are we being self-reliant?
Here's a good example.
If you own a gun store, give us a call.
We'll stock it on your shelf, right?
unidentified
There you go.
forrest cooper
If you own a gun store, if you own an FFL, you can get a hold of us.
You can get a hold of us through our website, and we have a program to stock our magazines,
because we've got four different magazines.
Concealment, which is urban, smaller firearms, all about safety, concealed carry,
making sure you're doing things the right way, being good at it.
And then you've got Recoil, which is the main magazine.
This is sort of the big news gun industry things.
Maybe it's someone came out with something really innovative,
or there's an advocate.
We did Mastere.
unidentified
We put him.
tim pool
Yeah, he's cool.
forrest cooper
Yeah, he'll do it.
you know, Mastro is doing something great.
There's, um, Chris Chang is doing something great, um, with AAPI go.
So we are grabbing, we have those two magazines.
Then we have off-grid, which is much more focused on skills, survival.
Um, and it has, and I think of it, the, the advantage that off-grid has, it has a lot of things about doing right.
So it's not just about gear.
Cause a lot of, a lot of, um.
A lot of the negativity that comes from survivalist groups or preppers is they're just about buying stuff.
It's the classic, you know, heavily unfit person with a bunch of stuff is not going to survive the apocalypse, right?
And then the last one we have is carnivore, which is all about high-end field-to-table meat consumption.
tim pool
I loathe to think about what's going to happen to these cities in the event that there's an actual shutdown.
The water shuts off, people are going to start dying of dehydration, they'll be drinking blood in a day.
forrest cooper
Yeah, historically speaking you'll have a very short period of very, very ugly violence and then you'll have a very long period of probable starvation.
tim pool
People fleeing like crazy in random directions.
forrest cooper
Well, and the solution is actually in itself.
And I think the solution to this one is not just buying a bunch of stuff, it's actually community.
I mean, the term community is thrown around a lot publicly right now, but again, the antidote to this classic idea of a guy in a basement with a bunch of bullets and a bunch of food is that he's going to die alone.
What is prison?
It is living in a box for 30 years.
It's taking your life away.
Life is time.
So survival, real survival, when we're talking about things like this, is actually 100% based on community.
Social interaction with people who you actually trust, that you can have them to protect you from making mistakes that you would otherwise not know.
unidentified
Right?
forrest cooper
So someone who knows water, someone who knows ecology, someone who knows, hey, don't eat those plants.
That's a simple form of it.
A more complicated one is you're desperate.
We know each other.
We take care of each other.
We're not waiting for the government to come and save us.
tim pool
It's actually quite remarkable how people in cities mostly, but basically everybody is extremely detached from the basic requirements of survival.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not an ultimatum, but... People... You take a person in the city and you put them in the woods.
It's just not gonna go well.
forrest cooper
Sure, because they have no reason to be adapted to the woods.
If you live in an urban environment your whole life, you're never going to need to adapt the abilities to do that.
It's a luxury.
tim pool
You will need to adapt the abilities.
It's likely, at some point in your life, you will need to understand basic survival, even if you live in a city.
It's just that in their immediate, they don't.
forrest cooper
That life has been kind to them to the extent that they've never been thrust in a situation like that?
Sure, that's absolutely true.
But I still want to return to the idea, like, self-sufficiency is a good thing, right?
So it's not, you know, when you have a neighborhood, like, say, you know, you live in a condo and you know your neighbors, It's not a bad thing to know your neighbors and being like, oh, I know such and such is a diabetic and I can help take care of them this way.
It doesn't mean you're kicking down their doors and saying, here, take the insulin.
tim pool
Right, but people don't realize how brutal it'll get if there's actual power outages or rolling blackouts even, let alone if the water shuts off or the electricity goes out for an extended period of time.
People who are diabetic, you gotta refrigerate that insulin.
That's a huge problem for just storms going out.
And they gotta have generators, usually, to make sure the fridges keep running.
But there's a lot of other things, too.
People's medications will spoil.
If you've got antibiotics in the fridge, they're gone.
Vaccines go bad.
Very, very quickly.
Without electricity.
So hey, bring it on!
Go to Thunberg.
Let's turn off all the fossil fuel power plants and then see how long humans last.
Because they will start tearing each other's throats out as it gets bad.
forrest cooper
Or they'll just build a pipeline and not tell you about it.
tim pool
Pipeline?
forrest cooper
A pipeline, yeah.
You know, if you tell people they can't have something and they need it, they'll figure out a way.
tim pool
Look, one of the big themes of this is that they're gonna tell you, oh no, don't go buy this.
Then they go rush out and buy it.
forrest cooper
Sure.
tim pool
They're coming out saying like, oh, the water's gonna rise 20 feet.
I'll take that beachfront condo on Miami Beach.
How much is that?
Water's rising?
Nah, I don't care about that.
forrest cooper
No, sure.
Ammunition prices are high right now.
So if you're hoarding ammunition, it's kind of rude.
But the other thing about it, too, is how would you just take seriously what you think you need?
It's not more.
Panic buying is a hard thing to define.
And panic buying is what people do when they feel like they're insufficient with what they have.
tim pool
It's interesting.
I mean, Ian bought a ridiculous amount of flour for two years.
ian crossland
Yes.
Yeah, I was surprised it was available because last July it wasn't.
You could get four, maybe four bags of flour.
tim pool
So why buy so much flour?
ian crossland
You know, who knows what's coming in two months.
I like to look ahead and rest easy.
tim pool
See, that's the thing.
You know, hoarding, is it someone being prepared or is it someone panicking?
forrest cooper
Yeah, there is a good question to be said there.
Or are you just a good businessman and you know you can buy better in bulk and you're going to be able to store it?
Are you being proactive?
tim pool
After the apocalypse, all the neighbors are gonna be like, bread!
And Ian's gonna be like, I have the bread!
forrest cooper
I will feed you all!
tim pool
And he's gonna like, rip it and throw it to people, and they're gonna cheer.
ian crossland
Bread for bullets, bread for water, dude.
Feed the masses.
tim pool
I don't think anyone would trade you bullets for bread, they only need one.
ian crossland
I'll let them go hunt, and I'll keep them healthy when they come back.
tim pool
No, you don't understand.
They only need one.
ian crossland
Oh, well that's a good point.
forrest cooper
You grossly overestimate the accuracy of most people.
unidentified
That's fair.
lydia smith
That's fair.
tim pool
Let's assume it's point blank.
They don't need any, actually.
They just need the weapon.
You know, then most people would just capitulate.
Just take whatever you want.
Leave me alone.
ian crossland
Take my flour.
Take my bread.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, fire me.
But violence is expensive.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
forrest cooper
I mean, it's costly.
To go do violence on someone is expensive.
tim pool
What about an apocalypse, though?
forrest cooper
It still is, right?
So let's take the metaphorical post-apocalyptic apocalypse situation.
You have your little tribe, and they have their little tribe.
For you to go attack their tribe, to try to take their stuff, you have to willingly acknowledge that if you lose, it's final.
Or it's final, it's extremely costly.
tim pool
Not just that, but...
If I go to Ian and I say, Ian, make me bread.
And then Ian's like, in exchange for what?
And I say, I'll trade you something.
Then Ian's skill and value as a human being contributes to the production of bread.
If you just go and take the flour, all right, well now you got to make the bread.
So there's a cost you lose out.
Trade is probably safer and easier for everybody.
Sometimes trade just doesn't work though, because starving person might not have anything to trade with.
ian crossland
A lot of times it's the language barrier.
Fortunately, we have that going for us in the U.S.
It's easy to communicate, relatively.
Long-range communications with a power grid down would be a little bit more complex.
How do you tell them that you're not a danger without getting close?
That might be a challenge.
tim pool
You gotta create a call.
ian crossland
I like ham radios, calls, bird calls.
tim pool
Maybe like a...
forrest cooper
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can go back to classic Birdsongs.
I will lose at every time.
They'll just be like, why is that man sounding like a chicken?
tim pool
But are we, are we, is this paranoia?
I mean, are we just, we're talking about all this stuff, we're seeing the news, we're seeing gas prices, and we're like, oh, it's the end, but maybe nothing happens.
ian crossland
I got this Samantha Bee on the brain thing.
unidentified
I watched some Samantha Bee the other day just to delve into the depths of it.
tim pool
You get out, you get out Ian.
ian crossland
It was dark.
tim pool
You get out.
ian crossland
They made a video like, Just do something about guns.
And it was all these celebrities being like, just do something.
Just do something about guns.
And like, they don't know what they're asking for.
This is what really bothers me.
It dawned on me tonight, is the vagueness of it.
It's not like, please ban this aspect of this thing.
tim pool
They said do something, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, they're so vague.
tim pool
Okay, okay.
Here's what I propose.
unidentified
Reveal the NFA.
tim pool
I will do something.
Repeal all gun laws and I'll go buy a gun.
forrest cooper
Everyone who owns a gun gets to vote.
unidentified
Free guns for everybody.
tim pool
That's a little light.
I think mandatory guns for everybody.
You have to when you sign up for the Selective Service.
forrest cooper
If you don't have an M3 Carl Gustaf.
unidentified
Holla.
tim pool
They want you to sign up for the Selective Service.
You should also be required to go in, fill out the form, drop it, and be handed one AR and one handgun.
Or a rifle and a gun.
And whatever they have available.
Some, like, standard issue US government garbage weapon.
It works, right?
forrest cooper
People like to say the Swiss did it right, but we're talking about very different countries.
Swiss, I mean, there is a sense of mandatory firearms ownership and mandatory kind of, it's not exactly that, but the Swiss are oftentimes used as an example because everyone owns guns.
Functionally, everyone owns guns, but Switzerland also stays out of, you know, a mountainous country.
Yeah, but you're also looking at like you can make another argument something like Japan has no firearms and they have very little firearms violence They're also an ethnic like a very they have their death no state ethno state, right?
tim pool
Yeah, like they don't allow immigrants.
It's crazy.
forrest cooper
They did it's very small, right?
lydia smith
It's like extremely restrictive Yeah, Switzerland is also small.
Sorry.
And don't they also require military service in Switzerland?
forrest cooper
I wanted to say that's correct.
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
forrest cooper
I don't want to say something that I don't remember.
lydia smith
Well, I also look at Israel because they have a similarly small population.
Everyone there for the most part is armed and everyone is required to serve in the military.
And I don't know what their gun stats are like, but it's probably not Not bad.
forrest cooper
And they're constantly under threat.
lydia smith
Right, exactly.
forrest cooper
Again, all these things are multifaceted arguments, but you take the example of the Samantha Bee thing, right?
Just do something.
You want to look at what gun control is?
It's celebration before success.
unidentified
Right?
forrest cooper
Because no one ever says, hey, we established these new laws, look what the effects are.
We say, just do something.
Yay, we put this in place.
Never heard from again.
tim pool
Here's what we need to focus on, right?
Right now, when people complain about government and guns, it's about restrictions.
We need to change it.
So I propose the creation of the Department of Gun Services.
So when you're 16, you have to go in for your manual gun from the- I'm sorry, mandatory gun from the government.
And the complaints about guns in government should be, the lines take too long.
I had to go to the DGS to get, you know, an AR-15, and I had to wait 20 minutes!
20 minutes for this gun!
It's ridiculous, huh?
I mean, man, when I was a kid, it was 10 minutes.
You're in, you're out.
You got your gun, your box of ammo.
These bureaucrats, man, I tell you.
ian crossland
Now serving.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
Now serving at aisle four.
tim pool
The DMV adds like another letter.
Yes.
37Q.
ian crossland
Oh, there is conscription in Switzerland, by the way.
forrest cooper
There is conscription.
OK.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
unidentified
And then for your DMG or DG... Department of Gun Service.
ian crossland
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Department of Gun Service.
Yeah.
So, not everyone knows how to use a manual, not everyone knows how to use a stick shift, so now we have to just give them all automatics.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Well, you know, some people don't have the strength, so there's a variety of options.
No, you'd get some garbage government stock crap.
You know, you're not gonna get the best of the best, but hey, hey, hey, you know.
Mandatory gun ownership.
forrest cooper
Mandatory firearms ownership would be an interesting example.
tim pool
You go in and you have like a little book explaining like basic gun operations and you do like a one through ten check check check and the guy reviews it and he's like alright you know here's your gun and you can choose between the handgun we have over here and fill out the forms and then they hand it to you and you leave and you walk out.
ian crossland
That terrifies me.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Maybe because I don't know enough about guns.
tim pool
Do you want to know why I do the analogy of the Department of Gun Services?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
When you go to the DMV and there's like cars everywhere, right?
And there's a lot of people who are student drivers.
Do you like start sweating and fear that someone's going to hit you?
ian crossland
Good point.
tim pool
When you cross a busy street, when you're jaywalking, are you like, there's cars and they could hit me at any moment?
I see people with guns all the time and I just don't even think about it because people don't
Typically just run you over or shoot you or beat you a guy could pick up a rock off the ground and hit you with
It you know, it just doesn't happen. Sometimes does Sometimes they can use guns. I understand when the left are
like, yeah, but with a gun there, they're extremely destructive and violent
I'm like, it's true but people also make bombs people do a lot of things and so
You shouldn't take away someone's right to self-defense because you're concerned and you don't want to be
responsible for yourself I just don't see that as an appropriate argument.
I understand the fear, but I cross busy streets all the time, and I don't get hit by cars.
If you live in Chicago or New York or LA, you're jaywalking everywhere.
And sometimes the cops yell at you and it's stupid.
And for the most part, you'll just see the cars.
I mean, some people will just walk and ignore the cars.
You know why?
The cars will break.
Isn't this crazy?
The cars will actually stop to avoid hitting you.
So if you were at the Department of Gun Services and someone walked out with a weapon and they were like, let's say there was like a range.
If you walk onto- If you- If- This is true.
If you go- If you're on a gun range, and you step onto the range, they scream and shut everything down.
They don't want you to get hurt.
Or if you're at a range and you, like, turn around and you're pointing at someone, they'll tackle you.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Normal people are trying to be safe and don't want you to get hurt, whether it's a car or a gun or whatever.
ian crossland
So gun services, they hand you the gun in, like, a locked box, and then you have to carry it home in a locked box?
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Not so you don't freak people out.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
When there's, like, 30 people in the waiting room.
tim pool
I'm not freaked out when I see a guy in a Hummer driving down the street.
ian crossland
It's another culture.
You just gotta get people comfortable with it one day at a time.
tim pool
I've crossed Archer Avenue on the south side of Chicago, and you got, you know, Big trucks and tractor-trailers or whatever and it's like you just run across the street.
I'm not like, oh no, the guy's gonna hit me.
Dude, people in my neighborhood, because we had, uh, we have the freight trains, where you're always getting stuck by trains by midway, it's annoying.
The kids in my neighborhood would run alongside the train and jump on it.
unidentified
Oh, that's awesome.
tim pool
Could you imagine if there was a guy and he had like a, he was like riding around on a car with a Gatling gun and he ran and jumped on his car and were like holding his gun?
That'd be ridiculous, that'd be insane.
That's a problem.
People would like, in Chicago, jump on the trains.
Don't do it, it's really, really, really dangerous.
But people aren't scared.
They're the opposite of scared.
They're brazen.
So if somebody walked out with a weapon, people aren't gonna care.
It's the weirdest thing to me that in New York, you go to Grand Central and there's like cops in like full tactical gear with rifles.
People aren't freaking out like a cop's gonna shoot anybody.
lydia smith
I think Ian has a point because when cars were brand new, people were terrified of them.
People were scared to go in them.
People were scared to get hit by them.
So maybe there should be like a transitory time where we're like accommodating people to everybody having a gun.
ian crossland
And there was a time when they didn't have seatbelts.
They didn't know.
They were still learning the danger of it all.
I don't know what the traffic laws were like in the beginning.
Probably they didn't have traffic lights at first.
lydia smith
Yeah, so in this ideal world where everyone is required to have a gun, it might require a little bit of adaptation.
tim pool
All right, fine, whatever.
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Big news from the government.
It gets real creepy.
We'll talk about it later.
But for now, we'll do Super Chats.
The $1 one-liner says, hey, Tim, nice promotion of Iceland.
I can see the brochures.
Come to Iceland.
There's no ice.
Enjoy the volcanoes.
It smells like farts.
That's all true.
ian crossland
Have you been there?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
tim pool
So I went to Iceland.
There was no ice.
And when I was driving from Reykjavik to what's called like the blue water place, then it's like all like gray rock.
And it smells like farts.
ian crossland
Volcanic rock?
tim pool
Yeah, it smells like farts.
lydia smith
Sulfur.
tim pool
A lot of sulfur.
ian crossland
So what's the blue... there's like a blue water place where the water is blue?
tim pool
Something like that.
It's really cool, but it was really hard.
We couldn't get in because it was like booked up like crazy.
ian crossland
Did it used to be ice?
tim pool
Like did the Vikings call it... I mean there's ice.
I went to this really cool place.
It was cold and it was just like this massive lake.
It's beautiful, man.
It's an awesome place.
ian crossland
I heard they called it Iceland like the Vikings because they wanted people not to go there because they wanted to keep it for themselves.
So they told everyone it's just an ice hell and no one went.
tim pool
It was apparently a like garbage hole until they discovered geothermal energy.
And everybody was just, it was like mining coal or something.
And they were like, we got all this volcanic activity.
We can do geothermal.
And now they live like kings.
Now abundance of energy, you know?
forrest cooper
In response to our conversation earlier about what we're educated by, everything I know about the island of Iceland is from the TV show Vikings.
ian crossland
There you go.
forrest cooper
I know nothing.
ian crossland
21st century.
tim pool
All right!
forrest cooper
And then there was the secret life of Walter Mitty.
lydia smith
Yes, also then.
tim pool
Kaywee Ross says, Hey Tim, I heard they were putting a 40% tax in taxes on Bitcoin for coins sold and wondered if anyone knew anything about this.
Joe Biden has proposed a capital gains tax of like 39.7%.
So yes, that would apply to your Bitcoin.
Massive tax.
Massive tax.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Maybe it's because of Bitcoin?
Kyle Buchanan says, HVAC tech here.
I tried ordering an outside unit today.
The warehouse said they had zero and won't have any for 60 days.
I doubt they will have any in 60 days either.
The one free man says low gun regulations equals herd immunity for violent crime.
You don't have to carry, but you benefit from those around you being armed the same way an unvaccinated person would benefit from those around them being vaccinated.
Hey, there you go.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Crime herd immunity.
Plasma says, I bought into Bitcoin at $32K and nearly went net loss, but I am now taking advantage of Elon Musk's tweets and buying more getting ready for the halving in two years when Bitcoin will go to the moon and back.
Yeah, so the halving will result in like Bitcoin doubling or more.
Okay, I can't read the name here, but this guy says, it's a good thing Crowder has made plenty of political connections over the years.
Hopefully they'll vouch for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Josh L says, question for Forrest.
Why don't gun companies name their weapons in a way that you don't have to be a nerd to understand?
I own a XD Mod 2.
forrest cooper
Why, what, how do they choose their naming?
That is a question that I actually don't know how to answer because everyone does it differently.
But the, the, it stems out of kind of military mentality of like, it's, it's, it's essentially a, what do you call it?
It's easy nomenclature.
It's an M3 Carl Gustav.
We call it a Carl G.
Colloquially, but the m3 is so that I can distinguish it the m16 from the n4 So a lot of companies use these names these number these letter combinations to achieve that ends It's all shorthand and I mean there are there's other ways that you can do it So you like you could look at like a Ruger Blackhawk.
It's a revolver.
It's not the BK-17 Usually the number is affiliated with something to do, not with the caliber, but it all has different ways of doing it.
And I think it's really just because it's trendy.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
It's just how we chose to do it.
tim pool
So what are the caliber numbers mean?
Because like a 22 versus like a 223, dramatically different round, you know?
forrest cooper
Yeah, the caliber typically refers to the size of the projectile.
It typically refers to the size of the projectile.
But now you're looking at so shotguns being different, theirs is, it's all referencing the size of the projectiles pretty much.
ian crossland
Is it the width of the projectile or the length?
forrest cooper
It should be, it should be the circumference or the diameter.
tim pool
All right, we got Honey in Absinthe says, it is my boo thangs 30th birthday today.
Will you wish Vincent a happy birthday?
We love your show.
Also, let me paint a mural in your house, please.
Send us an email to spintheufo at gmail.com.
Yes.
And happy birthday, Vincent.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Happy birthday, Vincent.
forrest cooper
I'm willing to bet it's not going in my house.
tim pool
Alex Oakley says, I wanted a super chat to say that USD is officially dying.
I started a side job over the weekend where I was asked if I wanted to be paid in USD, Bitcoin, or half and half.
I chose half and half.
So excited to get more Bitcoin.
Wow.
lydia smith
That's excellent.
ian crossland
You chose Bitcoin, right?
Please, God.
Tell me you chose Bitcoin.
tim pool
Half and half, like half US.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought you meant like the half and half cream.
lydia smith
I did too, I was like wait what?
ian crossland
I'm a literal kind of guy though, that's my problem.
lydia smith
I was confused.
ian crossland
It's my strength and my weakness.
forrest cooper
I too am a coffee snob.
tim pool
The getting paid in buckets of cream.
lydia smith
Yes, it's okay.
tim pool
Yes, I got all this green, what am I gonna do?
I just drink it I guess.
ian crossland
The grocery store was out.
tim pool
Eli M says, Tim, could you call Crowder on air right now and get him to summarize what has happened and his way forward?
No, that would be really awesome though.
Maybe, maybe I, I, I, I couldn't do that.
Nah.
I mean, it probably would be funny.
I'm sure he'd be cool with it, but it just can't.
Could you imagine getting a call and like you're on the air and you're like, Oh wait, what's going on?
Some people might just be like, no.
ian crossland
Part of his strike is that he's not supposed to talk about it.
tim pool
No, I could interview him.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, we had Alex Jones on.
He's banned.
unidentified
But they still, you know, they'll be paying attention.
Steve, please.
tim pool
Jennifer Reap says, great show and guest as always.
And gotta shout out my alma mater, Sam Houston State, for winning the national championship yesterday.
Eat em, uh, eat em up cats.
Hey, there you go.
Someone you may know says, hashtag free Crowder.
There you go.
Well, I'm not VAC, and when I get back from break, I'm not wearing a mask.
I might get fired, but they're going to get sued if they do.
Hope I win.
I mean, how do they tell if people are or aren't?
I mean, I don't know how they... I think they'll ignore you.
I don't think they'll say anything.
I don't know.
Whatever.
HitsVape says, I work at Best Buy.
They just announced today that if employees prove they've gotten the vaccine, you don't have to wear a mask.
I've had the virus, didn't do much at all to me.
Now I feel forced to, so I can take off the mask.
unidentified
Yeah, well, talk to your doctor.
tim pool
Zanzibar says, I just joined TimCast.com.
Now where, where do I go to suggest Magnus Panvidja get a seat for a show?
Pro-liberty and bottom unity advocate, what the boogaloo really is.
Well, he just did.
Carter Joe says, Tim, have Destiny on to discuss the infrastructure bill and voting bills.
And he'd like talking about moral frameworks.
Definitely.
Destiny is was an excellent guest.
We when Destiny was here, we actually hung out for like an hour just talking about politics.
And he's a cool dude.
Disagree with him.
That's about it.
But I disagree with a lot of people.
So, you know, I think there's too much like fear of the other.
I think I think it was great to have him out here.
Fun guy.
I'm sure people don't like him for a lot of reasons, though.
Joshua Ryman says, what if what used to be a traffic stop that caught a kidnapper with someone in their trunk gets a pass by?
unidentified
Yeah, well, there's that too.
tim pool
Rilo says, civilian traffic brigade, don't you dare show support for Trump or appear at all conservative.
You're going to get bombarded with tickets and the state will come after you.
You see, there you go.
Brown Bear says, Tim, when are you going to have shoe on head on your show?
When she accepts the invitation and decides to come on the show.
Dolly Lance says, how can you continuously assume that the unarmed civilian won't be violent themselves?
That's a good point.
Unarmed civilian traffic guy might be like, I got a gun.
ian crossland
Yeah, how does that work?
Is it a cop?
Cause a cop, we were just, we were trying to figure that out earlier.
Like a cop is a civilian according to military.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
This new policy is like you in a car.
ian crossland
What the heck?
forrest cooper
Yeah.
It's a contradiction of terms though, because are you hired by the state?
Who are you hired by?
ian crossland
Right!
unidentified
What authority do you have?
tim pool
They give you a little yellow light to stick on top of your car?
forrest cooper
No!
The codification of law has a purpose, and it's so that we have rules by which we understand what we do and don't do.
The greatest tragedy in the American concept of law is that we have turned law into a way to make citizens into servants instead of realizing that the purpose of law is to limit the government.
It is to limit one group of citizens from violating the rights of another group of citizens.
It's not to make you safe.
It's not to make you happy.
It's not to make you wealthy.
The purpose of law is so that the people can, the one group of people, human beings with the same rights as you, cannot use the power of the state to violate your rights.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't like paid bail because if the rich people... Oh yeah, it's meaningless to them.
They just buy their way out.
tim pool
In Chicago, people illegally park at Wrigley Field because they're like a hundred dollar ticket.
It's cheaper than buying a parking space.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what I'm talking about.
Alright, Andrew Holker says I fled the Twin Cities for Duluth last summer.
The number of friends I have at U of M who have been mugged at gun knife point just walking through Dinkytown or riding the light rail is truly insane.
Well, there you go.
Showland Report says living in Wisconsin for the last couple of years, never heard a guy from Minneapolis sound so nice and fair.
forrest cooper
Oh, thank you.
tim pool
There you go. Mike Sullivan says great guest South Carolina passed House bill
3094 today eliminate state fees for CWP will now allow open or concealed carry with a permit makes SC a
Second Amendment sanctuary state great day Yeah, it's not constitutional carry
You can, like, in West Virginia, you can just walk around with the Barrett if you want.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
tim pool
People will just laugh at you, though, because they'll be like, we get it, we get your point.
forrest cooper
There is good hope.
Yeah, there is hope in the world.
Like, one of the things that I, one of the views that we bring, like, I like to bring through Recall is that it's not all doom and gloom.
It's not all doom and gloom, and it's not all they're taking our guns away.
Young Americans don't like gun control.
They don't.
They're turning away from it.
And whether they're turning away from it because of political means, whether it's Marxism, communism, socialism, whatever, or because they just don't trust the government, they're moving away.
On top of that, there is ways that we are making victories.
They're just not as political.
They're not as polished theatrical stunts.
David Hogg has a massive theater.
No substance.
tim pool
Yeah, it's nonsense.
forrest cooper
You have to prop them up, while in the background, people are changing their opinions about it.
Look at the last year in gun sales.
Records.
Massive records.
If you look at gun sales throughout history in the United States, it's kind of a steady climb with little spikes that kind of level out, but it never really goes up and then down.
It goes up and then down a little bit.
Gun sales is a really good performing stock in the United States.
If it was.
But you look over the last year, it jumped and plateaued high.
tim pool
Yeah, you look at the lines in these big cities.
Liberals lining up outside of gun shops.
There was a funny video where this guy at a gun shop, he made a video where he was like, stop coming to my store expecting to buy a gun for the first time.
These liberals keep coming in and they keep saying, can I pay more to get it now?
No, you can't.
You voted for this.
These are your laws.
Shut up.
Follow the rules.
Because it's probably hilarious.
To have, like, your 50th guy come in and be like, I'd like to buy that gun.
Okay, fill out the form.
Okay, can I get it?
No, you're on a delay list.
Come back in five days, we'll call you.
Can I pay more?
No, you can't pay more.
You're being background checked.
Shut up and go home.
They get all mad about it.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, if you want to have a conversation about universal background checks that are already in play, stop talking about it.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Sergeant Buck says, Just joined as a member.
If you want a modern military shooter that handles firearms well, I recommend Insurgency Sandstorm.
The Division 2 is great, but it's become Destiny 2 with cover.
I completely agree.
Eric Rodriguez says, What are y'all's opinions on bullpup rifles?
I personally prefer them, especially as a left-handed person.
Love the show.
Keep up the great work.
forrest cooper
Can I not answer?
No, I can.
I do not have a lot of experience with bullpup rifles, compared to an AR-15.
ian crossland
What does it mean, bullpup?
forrest cooper
Bullpup rifle, this is the muzzle, this is the buttstock, right?
If my hand is in front of the magazine, the trigger is in front of the magazine, so it goes barrel, trigger, magazine, which allows me to get a longer barrel and a shorter package.
That's considered a bullpup.
When you take the magazine and you build it behind the trigger.
So you look at an AR-15, you've got stock, grip, magazine, rail, muzzle.
Bullpup takes the magazine in the construction of the rifle.
ian crossland
And that gives it better balance so you can have a longer Muzzle the theory is that you can have the benefit of a
forrest cooper
longer muzzle without an entirely longer firearm And then it does accomplish that it's just is the juice
worth the squeeze because you lose something I think that having the magazine well in
front of the trigger guard and this is The honest answer is I've been I've been shooting for so
much in the military with ar-15 style platforms and most of the modern military
Modern militaries across the world use a magazine in front Um...
I'm so used to it, switching to a bullpup would be uncomfortable.
It is not the same thing.
It's not home.
But, one of the disadvantages you get is manipulation of the firearm tends to be more uncomfortable.
So when I have to load a magazine in here, I get to drop the mag, put a new magazine in the magwell.
It's sort of efficient, it's all there.
But the other one that you start to see, and I think there are quite a few companies that are actually doing this very, very well.
Um, is the triggers in bullpups were, are historically referred to as being terrible.
And so you want a good trigger because it adds to accuracy.
It helps you control the weapon firearm better.
Um, and historically speaking, um, firearms with a bullpup design had a harder time making a better trigger.
tim pool
All right.
Meridian Force says, Hey Tim, US Air Force member here.
I was raised in North Dakota and thankfully got stationed back in North Dakota.
Recently, they voted to ignore a lot of the federal gun regulations here.
I'm not going to say I'm for or against this because military.
No, thanks for the super chat and thanks for your service.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Make 1984 Fiction Again says, Civil disobedience and lawsuits.
Let's get a win in the bag.
I got kicked off a job in the authoritarian state of Massachusetts for not wearing a mask outside laving pavers on blacktop in 80 degree weather with no one near me.
unidentified
Wow.
Geez.
forrest cooper
That's a great name.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was thinking that same thing.
forrest cooper
I have read that book and it's creepy.
ian crossland
It's incredible.
Read 1984 if you haven't read that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
I got that t-shirt.
forrest cooper
Yep.
tim pool
Tom, uh, I think it says Tom, says, second time Super Chat.
I feel stupid I accidentally just sent you 10 bucks.
Haha, here's another 10.
I'm here in Washington State.
Zero gas shortage, but I just paid $3.59 a gallon to fill up, uh, this, this, uh, what is it, Subby?
lydia smith
Subby.
tim pool
The Subaru.
The Subaru.
Yes, it's getting expensive.
I heard it was like $9 in some places.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
I didn't, I couldn't confirm it.
tim pool
Yeah, I've just been seeing posts.
I don't know for sure.
lydia smith
Five in California.
tim pool
Yeah, in some areas it was absolutely skyrocketing.
Wraith Pernell says, please post video of Ian's GF bread recipe.
I need it.
GF?
Gluten-free?
forrest cooper
Your girlfriend's bread recipe?
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
She's hot.
forrest cooper
That was quick.
ian crossland
I'd have to make a gluten-free recipe maybe with almond flour, but I've noticed the wheat flour really handles the yeast and the sugar in a special way.
I mix them together sometimes, do like a light gluten with like an almond flour.
If it's a GF bread recipe, I haven't done a gluten-free one in a while.
But I'm down to experiment.
It's all about getting that rise.
tim pool
Kyle Lipka says Crowder calls it Mug Club.
You should call us the Beanie Bros.
You know, we did have a conversation about, like, making membership name something, and I was like, there's gonna come a point where we have many more shows, and people will just be like, what is that?
Imagine going to, like, Disney Plus, and it's called, like, the Mickey Face.
You'd be like, be a Mickey Mouse.
Mickey Club, yeah, that was the thing.
Join the Mouseketeers.
You'd be like.
forrest cooper
No.
tim pool
I guess.
No.
lydia smith
No.
Nah.
tim pool
All right.
Ace 2020 Boyd says YouTube is crazy.
They can put strikes on a crowder but allow nakie yoga videos with full frontal no blurs.
Also won't let me send this with the full words, right?
lydia smith
Huh.
tim pool
Dude, there's really messed up videos.
There's videos where a guy does like what's in my butt challenge.
They show it.
unidentified
Whoa.
Yep.
tim pool
They show it.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
ian crossland
They actually show his butt?
tim pool
Well, they don't show, like, they show it from a perspective where it's like, you can tell what they're doing.
They say what they're doing.
lydia smith
So Crowder actually had a segment where they actually show some of the highly objectionable material that you can find on YouTube.
And I don't think YouTube liked that very much.
forrest cooper
No, but I mean, they should have said thank you.
You know, I don't have to hire somebody to police my own.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
But Don Jett says cicadas contain high levels of mercury.
I don't think eating a bunch of them is wise.
Shout out to Ian from Cuyahoga Falls, Monroe Falls Avenue.
ian crossland
What's up?
You ever go to Monroe Falls Lake and take a dip?
It's where I used to get shaved ice right over there.
lydia smith
Oh, cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
I have no idea what you just said.
ian crossland
Oh, that's my hometown.
Shout out to my homies.
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio.
forrest cooper
What's up?
tim pool
Ashley Hayes says, KY masks end June 11th.
Look into Andrew Cooperrider of Brood in Lexington.
Took the fight to Andy Beshear.
His weekly protests.
Built his own CC processing service after being banned from Stripe and PayPal.
He is leading project Uncancellable in KY.
Interesting.
Cool.
Jellybean says, Hey Tim, fellow Illinois citizen here.
I'm from the suburbs, however.
Orland Park area.
Oak Forest, to be exact.
I work in Joliet, New Lenox area, and I paid $3.17 a gallon.
I thought Illinois wasn't one of the states affected by the pipeline issues.
Maybe the pipeline issues... There's more to the story than they're telling us.
But, uh, I know all of those areas very well.
I used to skate in a lot of them.
Dane Schell says the left is doing what libertarians couldn't, and that's break down the system enough for a new generation to have a clean slate.
The Great Reset, but doing it with bad fuel.
Unscalable ideologies.
I mean, to a certain degree, but they're like kneecapping the police and then replacing them with woke police, so it's not gonna get better, it's just getting worse.
forrest cooper
Are those woke police disarmed?
tim pool
No, they're armed.
forrest cooper
Okay.
So yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's not good.
tim pool
Kev says, first super chat ever.
What good is a functioning pipeline if the billing software has been encrypted and you can't bill your customers?
They paid the ransom within three hours, according to numerous reports.
So they weren't dealing with that.
unidentified
Amazing.
No idea.
tim pool
Nicholas Nasty says the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee that the people have any necessary implement to overthrow a tyrannical government, zero limitations.
This is only partially true.
I'm not a fan of when people are like, it's to overthrow tyrannical government.
No, it was literally to defend yourself, period.
Tyrannical government, or invading force, or lunatic criminal.
A free state requires a well-regulated militia.
Therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
People need to understand there were no police back then.
It was all local militia.
When there was like a robbery, people would round up the boys and they would be like, hey, get the militia.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
The second amendment is a poem to the people to remind them that they are free and it is a prohibition against the state.
tim pool
Yep.
Marco says, I have a question for Forest mainly.
With all the critical race theory and other agendas in the army being pushed, would you still join the Rangers?
Love the show.
forrest cooper
Oof, that is a good question.
You're going to have to have a small challenge between two decisions.
One of them, I can answer for you.
If you're going to join the Rangers, absolutely.
If you're interested in joining the military right now, you have to go Special Operations.
Ranger Battalion, Navy SEALs, Special Forces, MARSOC.
It's gonna, trust me, the military is all moving in that direction.
The global war on terror is known as the rise of the special operations.
So if you're thinking about joining the military and you haven't looked at special operations, absolutely.
ian crossland
What's MARSOC?
forrest cooper
MARSOC would be the marine version of special operations.
Their contribution, or their contribution, so.
tim pool
All right.
forrest cooper
Second one, looking at critical race theory in the military, if you believe that you have the moral integrity to resist the push of critical race theory, yes, but that has to be a very serious and personal question.
If you think that you're going... Does that answer the question?
It is a very serious question.
Take it seriously.
Why are you joining the military?
Is it out of patriotism?
Is it out of duty?
Those are easy answers to say on paper, but when you actually have to live them out...
tim pool
All right.
Ossery says, great guest.
We vets and country boys will be the ones to survive when the energy hits the fan.
Dude, you guys are constantly hyping Ian's bread, and I'm yearning for a road trip, and I'm not even a big bread eater.
So we are currently building out, as part of the new website, an auction feature, which is going to allow us to do a two-tiered Ticket system for the house.
So we want to do Friday night events every Friday.
10 tickets first come first serve and then probably 10 maybe more tickets that are top auction based.
This way you have the people who are like spamming the refresh button because we only have certain capacity.
It's not like we have that much space.
So we have to figure out a way to make it fair, and I'm like, two-tier system works, because then you have people who can afford to mosey on over, not really worry about time, and make their bid, and spend more to come, but then people who probably can't afford to can just try and use merit, just get to that ticket first.
It'll be difficult.
And we'll put in restrictions so that some people don't come every single time, we get more opportunities.
But the auction system allows us to basically do anything.
So we can auction off a loaf of Ian bread stored properly in dry ice.
Now, I don't know what the regulations are.
ian crossland
Right?
It might be like a donation.
tim pool
It might have to be just like Ian as a person sending a person.
No, no, the business will be able to do the auction.
ian crossland
I will make several, at least three loaves of bread for that event.
tim pool
And then we'll have to put, oh yeah, the people come.
ian crossland
And then we'll just slice them into quarters.
We'll slice the breads into halves.
We'll do like a garlic bread.
We'll do a cinnamon raisin maybe or a cinnamon maple.
tim pool
We'll have sandwiches ready.
unidentified
That bread is good.
tim pool
It makes store-bought bread just like... I mean, there's no preservatives.
ian crossland
This is the thing.
The store-bought bread has natural... They put preservatives in it so it can last on the shelf.
This stuff goes stale after five days if you leave it out, even if you have it in a bread box.
tim pool
Yeah, you gotta eat it.
ian crossland
Man, if you eat it in the first two days, it's amazing.
tim pool
It is...
ian crossland
just moist and it just holds the...
You can't explain it with words.
tim pool
You guys, you really want to come to these events.
So we're in the process of setting things up so that we can actually do this.
We just had the driveway redone.
We just had some work done on the garage.
There's still a process.
I know we wanted to do this back in February.
And then I'm like, we should have public events!
And then we had like a legal conversation and I was like, oh, we can't.
We still have to overcome some hurdles business-wise.
And so we're all working on the things with the checklist to get everything done.
And it takes a long time, man.
It's too bad.
You know, it's in the real world.
You can't just do things.
Think most people learn that these business business people think like, well, I know how to make a business work.
They get into government and then all of a sudden everything sludges up.
They don't realize that once you get government involved, it's just like I could theoretically be like, come on down and then we'd be shut down in two seconds.
So fortunately.
Alright, where are we at?
yet. Philip Snow says, love the show. Did anyone else see the vaccine concert sponsored
by YouTube last week? Talk about serious propaganda. The whole thing was about getting people vaccinated.
Even Biden and Kamala were part of it. It's the craziest thing to me because it's weird
that you've got everyone advocating for a medication when people should be advised to
go and talk to their medical professionals, their doctors.
When Donald Trump talked about hydroxychloroquine, they were screaming at the top of their lungs.
Like, he's gonna get people hurt!
Don't do this!
The same thing is true for any medication.
All of a sudden, they flipped their tune.
It's like, oh, now it's fine.
Now just ignore it.
No, no, no, no, no.
You go to your doctor.
You ask your doctor what's up, because I think it's ridiculous.
forrest cooper
Yeah, stop treating the politicians, the political class as your high priest.
tim pool
Scarier... is that four?
Says, good on you for having Recoilon met two of their guys at a training course.
Cool dudes.
Get knowledge and skills.
You bet.
forrest cooper
Thanks.
tim pool
Pdogg says, if you want a depiction of life without electricity, read the Going Home series by A. American.
Really makes you think about how people would act.
Also, Michael Knoll's book Speechless is available for pre-order on Amazon.
unidentified
Ding!
tim pool
That dude is gonna sell so many books.
Yeah, ding.
unidentified
Speechless.
tim pool
They just put it in at the end and then I have to read it.
lydia smith
I love it so much.
tim pool
Doc Lock says $1500 Pew Pew device voucher.
Take it to the Pew Pew store for your Pew Pew of choice.
Yearly 500 round box of ammo for training and supply.
Bi-annual mandatory Pew Pew training.
National defense budget.
I don't know.
Training?
I disagree with.
forrest cooper
Don't ever put the state in charge of training.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
When you go to the DMV, maybe, if you're going to get a gun from the government, you've got to do a general firing test.
lydia smith
Yeah, like a driving test.
tim pool
Exactly, like you walk up, and you have your handgun, and you have your AR, and they do like some basic range or whatever, some low range, 7 yards and what, maybe like 21 for the rifle.
And then they test you, and if you are good enough, they're like, you passed, have a nice day.
ian crossland
So you'll have to load the gun, they'll watch you load it, just make sure you know how.
You'll have to turn the safety off, make sure you know how, and then you'll have to hit the target to make sure you know how.
forrest cooper
They already make you do that in Minnesota for concealed carry, or permit to carry.
tim pool
So you go to the DGS and instead of a driving test, you fill out a little form.
So there'd be like immediate failures, like a rolling stop.
then you do a function test, fire, and then...
ian crossland
So there'd be like immediate failures, like a rolling stop.
If you don't stop completely at a stop sign, that's an automatic failure.
tim pool
Yeah, but you can take the test again.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
tim pool
So then you're like, okay.
So it'd be pretty easy to do.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, this does sound like a good idea, so long as it's mandatory that the state give out firearms,
but...
Or, you know, like proof of purchase, proving it over there.
I just don't want the state telling me what I can and cannot do when the state can't figure out, you know, everything else.
tim pool
I think if they're gonna give you something, a test isn't a big deal because you always have the choice to go buy one your own.
forrest cooper
Sure.
tim pool
So if it's like you want your free gun from the government, there's a range there, you gotta, you know.
forrest cooper
What's the test to get on welfare?
tim pool
Um, you have to go to the Department of Health and Human Services and then they ask you a series of questions that you can lie about.
Well, I mean, you can lie about whatever you want.
I mean, if you want to break the law, you can break the law.
So sure.
But if it's like if you're going to be getting free stuff, you know, I'm just saying piracy is in fashion.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Justin Heasley says, Tim and Forrest, why is the requirement of a firearm training class not necessarily supported by pro 2A personalities?
forrest cooper
Yeah, I can answer that one.
It's because we don't want the state to tell us what is the requirement.
Like, so if you're gonna come and take a class, or if you're gonna go get your concealed carry, like absolutely, that's the bare minimum.
So, but you should be pursuing becoming better at something.
You should be pursuing taking other classes.
tim pool
Texas, uh, requires.
forrest cooper
But I do not think, I do not, because who determines what the test is?
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Sure.
In order to get a gun, you have to sit through eight hours of critical race theory.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Or, I think it's reasonable that people have a training course, that they pass a training course in order to get a firearm.
Don't you agree?
And they say, yes.
Okay.
Now, to pass the course, we're going to give you a 9mm, we're going to give you a Glock, and you've got to hit the center of the target at 100 yards.
forrest cooper
I can't do that.
tim pool
You get one round.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I can't do that.
I mean, I can.
tim pool
So it's like, okay, well if you can't do it, you shouldn't have a gun.
forrest cooper
Yeah, it can be used as a prohibition, right?
So a common thing that's used in a kind of a trendy conversation that people say right now is like, oh, well, the history of gun control is rooted in racism.
I think this is a bad argument.
I get the point, but I think it's a bad argument because the origins of the American version of gun control was originally intended to target certain ethnic minorities.
The problem wasn't only that it was targeting ethnic minorities, but it actually was also disarming a population.
The problem is the disarmament.
So the application of one group of people making up a list of rules that you have to meet in order to be like them is wrong.
It is fundamentally tyranny to support gun control.
tim pool
All right, we got Andrew J. Gregory says, Tim, saw your blog where you guys were playing music.
I'm from MD and would love to jam with you guys.
I've played drums on and off since I was 16.
30 year old now.
Send us an email.
All right, we'll just do a couple more.
Let's see.
Jonathan Duger says, Did time in KAF.
If Minneapolis is anything like that, leaving is a good choice.
Army leads the way.
forrest cooper
Thank you.
tim pool
Hotdog 400 says, Tim, you bring up a good point.
Get rid of police, bring back local militia.
I'm pretty sure the left would agree with that because, well, they probably would because they're lying, but one of the arguments is that community policing.
You have cops from outside towns and areas coming in and enforcing the law and not caring about the community.
And it's like, okay, local militia.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
Don't make the Marxist mistake of an argument of a good assessment of the problem means that you're going to have an excellent solution.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
All right.
One more.
Aaron says, Raising Emden Geese and Guinea Fowl.
Is that what that G-N is?
unidentified
Guinea.
forrest cooper
That's Guinea.
tim pool
If everything turns out right, we have entertainment in our backyards.
If there is a spike in food prices, we have a self-perpetuating, perpetrating fortune in our backyards.
There you go.
lydia smith
They're also alarm dogs.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Loud.
forrest cooper
Guinea hens?
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
They're not very intelligent.
tim pool
No, the chickens, man.
Wow.
It's, it's hilarious watching these things.
They love music.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You were, you were singing them?
ian crossland
Yeah.
They came over and sat down one by one and then just chilled and farmed.
forrest cooper
I've, I've, I've watched, uh, when I, when I was a kid, we had a dog and our dog actually called the Guinea hens from the neighbor's farm into our property and then ate them.
I'll cross the highway, yeah.
It was the weirdest thing.
It would sit way out in the field and it would make noise.
You could see it barking and making this noise.
And then you'd see the skinny hen walk across.
That dog was really, really smart.
tim pool
After Ian said that, I went out with the guitar and I jammed.
And Vanessa walked over and sat down and just hung out and watched me jam.
ian crossland
Yeah, she's gonna have a character arc.
I like Vanessa.
tim pool
So I was wrong, she's not mean.
Vanessa's a chicken.
Yes, Francis chicken. I I said the other day that she was like being mean. No, I was incorrect. Yeah. No, she was
just I think I mistook her demands for food to be bullying
So she when she would come up and follow me around and stuff
I thought she was like getting ready to know turns out she's one more stink bugs. Oh
ian crossland
All right.
Vanessa.
tim pool
And then, you know, she's very nice.
Vanessa.
forrest cooper
Lead the way.
tim pool
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ian crossland
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lydia smith
Cool.
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