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May 7, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden is DESTROYING The Economy, Jobs Report Is A Disaster w/Dave Smith
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unidentified
It's Friday!
tim pool
It's the end of the week.
You know what that means?
It means all of the worst possible stories for corporations and the government come out today.
It's fantastic.
We have some of the most important news to bring you.
But everybody's out partying, and that's kind of the point, because the jobs report got released.
It is the worst miss in 23 years.
Unemployment went up.
And now all of a sudden, the Biden administration, Joe Biden himself, he's like, well, you know, look, we're dealing with the pandemic and, you know, it's nothing to do with unemployment payments.
And CNN writes an article saying the country is still reeling from the pandemic.
Last month, when the job report was good, when jobs were, you know, unemployment was going down, Biden's celebrating saying, see, look what our administration is doing.
Now that it's getting really bad, they're acting like it's not their fault.
Surprise, surprise.
Here's where it gets really screwed up.
One of the reasons the jobs report is so bad is that unemployment right now is paying an average of $16 an hour.
So nobody wants to go work and the people who do can't because many of them who do have kids and they can't send their kids anywhere.
They've got schools.
Great, that's just gonna make the economy worse off.
I think it's pretty obvious what they're doing.
So yeah, in other news, federal charges were just laid out on the Minnesota police officers, Chauvin and the three other cops.
So they're getting charged again at the federal level.
And forgive me for being a bit pessimistic, but man, I hope y'all have Gotten ready for whatever might be coming.
Maybe that just means chilling, putting some Bitcoin aside or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
No advice from me, but I certainly am.
Well, we'll talk about all this.
Joining us today is the man who almost took down Joe Rogan.
You were so close, Dave.
Comedian Dave Smith.
dave smith
What's going on, Tim?
Thanks for having me back.
And I almost got Joe, but I will get you tonight.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
Excellent.
tim pool
Oh boy.
For those that don't understand the reference, you were on with Joe when the media did that huge thing about his vaccine comments.
dave smith
Yeah, but it wasn't really me.
I got him going about other things.
If you had asked me after that podcast what was going to get you in trouble, I would have named 20 things before the clip that they picked.
But, you know, they went with what they went with.
tim pool
Media matters is watching.
They always are.
Like Santa Claus.
They know when you're sleeping.
They know what you're saying.
We got Bill Ottman.
He's still hanging out here.
bill ottman
Hey, here we are.
Thanks for having me back.
tim pool
CEO of Minds.
You want to do a quick intro?
bill ottman
Yeah.
What's up, guys?
Bill, CEO of Mines, along with Ian, former co-founder, now hanging out in the Cast Castle.
unidentified
How is he a former co-founder?
ian crossland
Spank me while I'm down, Bill.
tim pool
He went back in time and told himself not to do it.
ian crossland
You saw Looper?
bill ottman
Looper, yeah.
That was a very high mic drop sound that that kid made.
ian crossland
Oh, no.
dave smith
Really?
bill ottman
You know the movie Looper?
You ever see that?
lydia smith
Yeah.
dave smith
I never saw it, but I'm familiar.
ian crossland
It's worth seeing.
The guy's like a super villain, went back in time.
unidentified
Bruce Willis.
ian crossland
Bunch of that nonsense.
Super villain?
Oh, that's for that kid.
Yeah.
Okay.
dave smith
It's the story of Donald Trump.
I know.
ian crossland
Basically.
tim pool
Ian is here.
ian crossland
Yes.
Oh, well, thank you, Tim.
Yes.
Ian Crossland.
What's up, everybody?
Glad to be here.
lydia smith
Yeah, and I am also here.
Wish me luck pushing buttons for all these mad men tonight.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, before we get started, I have a huge announcement.
First, you must go to TimCast.com and become a member to get access to our exclusive members-only library of content.
We got so many podcast episodes.
We got like full hours with some of your favorite people like James O'Keefe and Michael Knowles talking about things like how to stand up for yourself, why we must resist the establishment lies.
But I got a couple big updates.
Notably, if you click that big old beautiful Members Only button, you can see you can now pay with Stripe.
So for everybody who is saying, I don't want to sign up with PayPal, you have another option here.
Definitely check it out.
But if you go to Store, You will see something truly incredible.
There is a new product in the TimCast.com store.
It is called To The Moon, and it is modeled off of the I Am A Gorilla shirt, because apparently that's the thing we're doing now.
And it is a Sheba with coins bursting out from behind him, holding stacks of cash.
And it says, To The Moon.
It's a reference to Dogecoin.
So if you want to get your To The Moon and then to Mars, it says in the URL, you can get your silly Dogecoin shirt.
I ended up making this one simply because I was convinced, and I ended up buying Dogecoin.
I'm not telling anybody to go buy Dogecoin, but you should buy the shirt!
I'm allowed to give advice to people when it comes to me selling merch, but apparently you can't give financial advice, so it's like, if you want a shirt, you can buy it.
dave smith
Isn't that weird?
You can push what is clearly a depreciating asset, but if you tell someone to go buy something and go, I think this might make you some money, then they'll be like, alright, you're giving financial advice.
tim pool
But what's the real issue?
Do you get sued or something?
dave smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
False hope?
tim pool
I wonder if that's just a meme, to be honest.
dave smith
Yeah, I know there's a lot of people who are in finance, whenever they talk about something they'll always go, now I'm not giving financial advice, but I'm just saying.
bill ottman
There might be advertising law around it.
tim pool
Or people could be like, they gave advice and I lost money so I'm suing you.
dave smith
Maybe, is that it?
Can they sue you for that?
tim pool
But I can say this, don't buy Dogecoin.
Buy the Dogecoin shirt.
So what happens if you're like, he said not to buy Bitcoin, and then I didn't, and then Bitcoin went up, you know, a thousand percent?
I demand that money!
dave smith
That'd be the best lawsuit ever.
You did not tell me how to get rich.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
lydia smith
Dare you.
tim pool
All right, let's talk about this first story.
And, man.
We live in truly the dumbest of times, I suppose.
The Daily Mail runs this story why no one needs to work in Biden's America.
Experts project anyone who earned $32,000 before COVID could now earn more in benefit staying home.
The average weekly unemployment benefit is now $638, $300 more than what it was in 2019.
$138, $300 more than what it was in 2019.
That means people are earning around $16 an hour, more than double minimum wage, which
was at least $7.25 across America.
If you're living in New York and you're getting 15 bucks an hour working fast food, you're like, eh, might as well just quit.
I'll get a raise.
Get a raise if it don't work.
So they say it's creating a nightmare scenario for the economy.
Businesses are desperate to recover from the pandemic, but they can't fill their jobs.
The funny thing is, there's 7.1 open jobs.
I guess that's like the number that comes from the government.
266,000 jobs created in April because people are going in, they're like, how much do you pay?
And they're like, 15 an hour.
And they're like, meh, I'm going home.
ian crossland
You said 7.1 million jobs are open right now?
tim pool
Looking for people to work.
ian crossland
And there's nobody wants to do it.
bill ottman
I know, I know at least five people who are doing the unemployment thing, knowingly avoiding work because of it.
tim pool
Well, this is actually, I don't blame them, not every single person.
So when I was, I think I was maybe 20 or 21, I got unemployment for losing a job.
And the people at the unemployment office literally told me not to take a job that was paying less because it creates a dependency.
So like I was talking to them and they were like, look, Look for work.
We don't expect you to take a really low-paying job because the fear is that if you can't support yourself, you'll just be right back here on the phone again.
So find a real job.
It's like, oh, okay.
All right.
That's what they told me.
They were like, otherwise we just get too many people who keep taking bad jobs and can't sustain themselves.
Well, what do you think's happening now?
People are getting 16 bucks an hour.
They're like, there's no way I can take 15 bucks an hour because I can't pay my bills.
I'm getting more unemployment.
dave smith
And I think it's actually a bit worse than that, because if you actually think through the logic of the economics of it, right, it's not just that if you're getting paid $16 an hour to do nothing, that doesn't just mean like, oh okay, well I'll only take a job for $17 an hour.
That means that a job at $17 an hour is effectively a job at $1 an hour.
That you have to work for $1 an hour.
A job at $20 an hour is $4 an hour.
Plus you gotta get up every day.
Plus you gotta pay for gas or transportation or this.
So now it comes back down.
I mean, it really throws the incentives wildly off.
tim pool
There's good news here though, because the backdoor UBI experiment has proven it doesn't
And so let's just get UBI out of there.
Sorry, UBI enthusiasts.
I think Joe is a UBI enthusiast.
dave smith
Yeah, well, it's a question of who it doesn't work for.
You know, I mean, it certainly doesn't work for the taxpayer.
I suppose it works for the people who are collecting these benefits temporarily.
But what does it actually do long term?
You know, if you can just imagine, like imagine if we were just on a desert island somewhere and you were like, okay, we're all poor.
We're on this desert island.
We got to work.
Someone's got to pick fruit.
Someone's got to fish.
Someone's got to build shelter.
We got to work.
And then someone else said, well, I'll just, uh, I got paper in my pocket.
tim pool
I'll supervise.
dave smith
And I'll just, yeah, I'll, I'll supervise and I'll start divvying out the paper amongst us.
And they go, don't worry, you're really wealthy because I gave you this money.
That's basically the game that we're playing right now.
Well, this actually is extremely beneficial to, you know, the Great Reset Davos group kind of people.
Because think about it.
around these paper Federal Reserve notes?
tim pool
Well, this actually is extremely beneficial to, you know, the great Reset Davos group
kind of people. Because think about it. Right now, they have created a system in which
people will make more money not working, which means no consumption, no plastic, no pollution,
no waste, no gas being used, no carbon emissions, just people sitting around being like, oh.
And the best part is, they're dragging everyone else down with them.
So it's like, it's the ultimate crabs in a bucket.
The only issue is, the crabs, you know crabs in a bucket is crabs in a barrel?
Right, whenever a crab tries to get out, the other crab pulls it down.
That implies that one crab is like, hey, you can't leave, or I'm gonna climb out of you to escape.
In this instance, it's people just being tied to the other crab.
Like, all the crabs are tied together.
So when a bunch of crabs are like, nah, we're better off in the bucket, don't leave, the ones that actually want to do better are being weighted down by those who don't.
What's happening basically is, people gotta understand this, dollars are meaningless.
A dollar is just the current representation of the value of the labor you've traded.
And it only really matters that day because the value keeps changing because it's a deflationary currency.
It devalues itself over a long period of time.
So, you go and work.
You get ten bucks.
If you sit on that money, it becomes worth less every single day.
The reason it is, because the government just prints and borrows money.
So what's happening is, you create value with your labor.
Let's call it a unit of labor.
One hour.
You create one hour.
And then someone comes up to you and says, I'd like to trade you one hour of my labor.
The only problem, they didn't actually have any real labor behind that dollar because the government just printed it and gave it to them.
So the total amount of value in the system stays the same, but the total amount of trade currency to exchange value keeps going up.
dave smith
Yes.
And if I could take that a step further, because you're absolutely right.
If you were to enslave somebody, and take an hour of their labor.
I enslave you for an hour and I take you were a slave for that hour.
That unit of your hour was ill gotten by me because I enslaved you.
Yeah. But if you work for that hour and you get one unit of Federal Reserve notes
and then I print that money away and slowly steal it from you,
what have I really in effect done other than retroactively enslaved you
for the time that you work?
tim pool
Yes, but you're still happy.
dave smith
Well, for a little bit.
I don't know.
This country doesn't seem that happy to me.
tim pool
Yeah, but for stupid reasons.
For like the stupidest of reasons.
They think Nazis are running around everywhere.
It's like, have you gone outside?
That's just not reality.
ian crossland
You know, in addition to what you guys are talking about, about the value of labor and the Federal Reserve note representing that, not only are they printing more notes and hoarding them so that the value of the actual note to labor ratio is devaluing, but people aren't actually doing labor.
tim pool
That's my point.
ian crossland
So there's even less value.
That's what I just said.
And so, it's one thing, like, after World War II, modern monetary policy printed a bunch of extra money so that they could create production to then pay off the debt that they created.
Right now, we're just printing the money without the production creation.
tim pool
But they're probably doing it for the same reason.
So a lot of people talked about how all these blue states had massive debt, and then they're like, we better pump trillions of dollars into the economy and then shut down all the small businesses so only the massive multinational corporations take all that money.
dave smith
Well, I'll tell you one of the huge differences, right?
Okay, so after World War II, as we were talking about before, right, there's every industrial country in the world was destroyed in war except America.
I mean, we fought the war abroad, but we weren't destroyed at home.
Our productive capacity was intact.
And on top of that, we had the Bretton Woods Agreement.
So there was some limit to the amount of money that the government could print.
After 1971, when Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard, then it really became a free-for-all, where we could just print as much money as we want.
And a lot of times, left-wing people will point back to the early 70s as this time—even Bernie Sanders, I think, points to this sometimes, where he goes, you know, since the 70s, wages haven't kept up with productivity.
And all of a sudden, the real super-rich are getting really, really rich.
And the working class doesn't have the same rise in standard of living.
And this is what it all comes back to, is that if you have a government that can print money out of thin air with absolutely nothing to restrain it, you're going to get an awful, crony, fascistic economy.
tim pool
It's really simple, man.
You are sitting there holding a big, beautiful cheeseburger that you cooked for yourself, and I walk up and I have a rock in my hand and I say, trust me, this rock is valuable.
I'll give you this rock for your cheeseburger.
And they're like, deal.
And then you take that cheeseburger, you gave them nothing for it, but they think it's valuable.
Or it's just slowly eroding the value away.
So the government can come in, do no real work, buy things, convince people to do things, services, labor, resources, and they're not putting anything into the system.
dave smith
Well, listen, this is what Ron Paul used to always say, which I think is like the best way to look at it, right?
Is that all the government can do is tax.
Now, there's three forms of how they can tax you.
They can just tax you.
In which case you pay your taxes.
Or they can borrow money, which is basically just a promise that they'll tax you in the future.
Or they can print money, which is in effect a tax because it robs the value of your money.
It's all the same thing.
bill ottman
He still says those things, Dave.
He still says those.
He's not dead yet.
dave smith
That's a good point.
He says them more than ever, but what I mean is that when he was running for president, he used to make these points.
You're right.
The great Ron Paul still says these things.
But the point is that the government, if you just think about it like this, in the terms you were laying out, right?
All that is happening is there's production.
That's how wealth is created.
People produce things.
They work.
The government doesn't produce anything.
All they do is take from us.
tim pool
Bureaucracy?
They're really good at making bureaucracy.
dave smith
Yes, but bureaucracy does not produce anything.
We have to pay for the bureaucracy.
tim pool
Now hold on there a minute, Dave.
Couldn't an average working Joe like myself just learn these rules and exploit this system to benefit in much the same way the wealthy do?
dave smith
Well, how would you do that?
tim pool
Well, so you understand how they deflate these currencies and things, right?
Or I'm sorry, they inflate the currencies, they devalue the currencies.
So if you take out a really massive loan and put your money into a hard asset that will appreciate, say, property, then when the dollar continues to become worthless, the debt you owe to the bank is substantially worth less as well.
So the rich people who are holding debt in dollars, the value of that debt is diminished, but the hard asset stays the same.
dave smith
I feel like you're just telling me your life story, but yes.
Look, if you can get access to a loan, then yes, certainly there are things that you can invest in that could perhaps be a hedge against inflation or you could invest in precious metals or in cryptocurrency or something like that.
But regardless of that, the vast majority of people probably are not going to invest in those.
tim pool
That's the point.
dave smith
They're out there working and basically support.
If you wonder, you know, there's it's funny because sometimes people like Bernie Sanders is just the example.
It keeps popping in my head.
But he'll say these things like he'll be like, did you know that, you know, the of the new money created, you know, whatever the numbers are, 90 percent has gone to the top 1 percent or something like this.
And he's right.
Like his numbers are right.
But you look at what we've had since Obama, say really since 2008 to now, we've had record high government spending, higher government spending than any government in the history of the world, and interest rates have basically remained around zero the whole time.
And that's what's leading to all of this.
tim pool
But isn't it true that by creating this system, wealthy individuals, or people of even modest wealth, are able to hedge their money, retain value, devalue their loans, and thus, it keeps the rabble out of politics.
You know, we can't have poors running around actually dictating how we do things in this country.
Could you imagine?
You watched The Patriot recently.
I'm joking, by the way.
But you watched The Patriot recently, and you have, I think it was Cornwallis, and he was like, you must stop targeting our officers.
Could you imagine what war would be like without gentlemen?
I feel like that's kind of the attitude, because what we're seeing with this kind of policy is, Like, so Joe Biden actually is saying right now, after all this comes out, he's like, no, I think we should print more money.
You know why?
Rich people, their assets are in, you know, their value, their money is not in dollars.
So when $1 tomorrow is not only worth the equivalent of 50 cents, well, they're holding gold, or they're holding Bitcoin, or they're holding property and real estate.
The loans to the bank go down for all the rich people and the poor people, but the poor people also don't have any money to begin with.
So if you're of modest means and you've got, you know, a thousand bucks in the bank, tomorrow you got $500 worth in the bank.
Your loans may be only worth half as much, but you still don't have any money or any appreciating assets.
So the things you do own You're not really gaining all that much.
Your job isn't now paying you more money all of a sudden.
So they're printing out unemployment at 16 bucks an hour.
So nobody is producing anything, but they're still demanding things.
They are rapidly deflating the economy, which, I'm sorry, devaluing.
I keep mixing it up.
And so what's gonna happen is the rich are going to get richer at rocket speed, and the poor are going to get poorer at rocket speed.
It's right there.
ian crossland
I saw it last year with Amazon.
I don't know what their actual value increase was, but it was off the charts.
Unexpected.
I mean, if you'd really thought about it, you would have seen it coming.
tim pool
Look at this.
We here at TimCast IRL are relegated to drinking RC Cola!
One of the best colas.
I'm just kidding.
RC's a fantastic drink.
bill ottman
Tim's been very excited to shout out RC.
tim pool
I'm like, I make sure that we don't get that Coke garbage in this house.
dave smith
That was actually an upgrade for, uh, for Tim cast was we were finally making enough money.
You can pull off the RC coal.
tim pool
That's actually true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because most people would just go to the store and get what they can.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's going to be at this point, you got to work to get ordered the RC man.
dave smith
Well, look, I mean, what, what drives me crazy about it is every single time when these politicians, Joe Biden does it all the time where he says, well, you know, uh, it's the pandemic that destroyed all of these jobs.
I mean, let's get real.
It's not the pandemic.
It's not the virus that destroyed the economy.
It was China government lockdowns.
Well, no, it's not even China.
And it was the Chinese government, by the way, who allowed the pandemic to get out.
unidentified
Right.
dave smith
Like there were Chinese doctors who blew the whistle on this whole thing.
And they're somewhere in a Chinese prison right now if they're still alive.
But it was our own government.
Even forget what China did.
It was our own government that locked down our economy and destroyed it.
tim pool
They're still locking down the economy in most of these blue states and they're still destroying the economy.
dave smith
Even when there is no even plausibly reasonable scientific argument to do so.
I mean like you look at Florida and Texas and the fact that they're open back up and that they're doing better than the national average despite what Fauci predicted would happen when Florida and Texas opened up.
And the fact is that we're basically at a point now with COVID where even though, I mean, look, this was obvious from about April 2020, but right now about 50% of the adult population has been vaccinated.
Of the other 50% who hasn't been vaccinated, I've seen estimates from 30 to 60% have had COVID at some point and have some natural immunity to it.
On top of that, we basically know now that asymptomatic spread is Very, very low, if it happens at all.
So the idea of these super-spreader events are pretty much over.
unidentified
It's just not a reality.
tim pool
But none of that matters, because the TV doctor said so.
dave smith
Well, that's right.
Dr. Phil, epidemiology department, says that we have to keep locking down.
So all of this is now self-imposed, or government-imposed harm.
tim pool
It was always, though.
But we're almost beyond this because now, if you look to Texas and Florida that are doing really well, they are still going to be harmed by the current economic policies of, we're going to give everybody $16 an hour equivalent unemployment.
And so that means people in Texas are going to be like, why should I work?
ian crossland
The response to this has been absolutely insane.
Exactly what you were describing just now makes me think sometimes when people get severely ill or something like with cancer and then they take some sort of radiation therapy like chemo and the chemo ends up doing more damage to their body and destroying their body and they die.
Right.
But then not always.
But if that sometimes if something that were to happen, they would call it a cancer death,
even though the medication was so toxic that maybe it was a medic.
The medication killed the person.
I always measured as a cancer death.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
OK.
I feel like the response to the covid thing has done more damage than covid did.
tim pool
It seems like.
Listen, I don't like that argument because there's only so much we can do as human beings trying to trust the experts.
The issue now is that you have Texas and Florida doing really, really well.
So it's not this argument about cancer and chemo and, you know, oh, the doctor said this.
No, it's like literally Texas and Florida have opened up.
Many other states haven't even shut down.
I think South and North Dakota's economies have actually grown a little bit relative to and they're seeing similar COVID rates.
So now it's about time to maybe get back to business and maybe have some protection for the weak, the vulnerable, you know, the people with immunocompromised.
And we should have done that a long time ago.
But it's not even necessarily about the pandemic at this point.
The issue is...
We're supposed to be getting back to work.
They've administrated how many vaccines?
Like a hundred million or something?
And they're still... The problem is, in March we saw this massive job growth and Joe Biden was clapping for himself and patting himself on the back.
And now they're still saying they're going to ramp up unemployment.
Why?
I thought, like, so West Virginia just announced the mask mandate's going away.
That's it.
They're done with it.
Texas and Florida reopened up.
People starting to reopen.
So now we're in an economic policy issue that has nothing to do with the pandemic at this point.
Now they're literally just giving people money that's going to stop them from working.
And it's funny because this is exactly what they were saying last year when there was a few Republicans.
I think Thomas Massey was one of them.
They were like, we shouldn't give people more money than they could make working because then no one will work.
And the response on the left, this is what I got to say, man.
Anybody who comes to you and says, you just want poor people to suffer.
Tell them to shut up.
Anybody arguing that people shouldn't have to work are not serious people.
They're just trying to steal from you.
That's it.
It's like someone in your house and there's dishes everywhere and you're like, look, we ought to do chores.
No, man, you're just oppressing me.
I shouldn't have to do any chores.
Like chores are dumb.
No, sorry man.
Everyone's gotta pitch in to make sure the house is clean and make sure things are being produced.
You got a large faction of leftists who are screaming, I shouldn't have to work.
We should not be listening to those people.
Those are kids.
Those are the children in the house screaming like, why do I have to do the dishes?
Because we're all working in this house together to make the house function.
The people who don't want to do any work?
You know what you end up with?
You end up with some kids, like, a 30-year-old child, living in a basement, just, like, really hairy and greasy and just not doing any work, and being like, Shut up, Mom!
I don't want to work!
Stop, stop, stop giving these people things.
dave smith
Well, look, and I will say that there are, I'm sure, some people, in fact, there definitely are some people in situations that are really awful situations where it's hard for them to work for whatever reason.
But the point to me is that, look, Economics are realities, and you can't just pretend that they're not if they don't feel good.
In the same sense that I'm sure most people on the left would understand, like, why is it that you want to subsidize green energy and you want to tax nicotine, right, or cigarettes?
Because you know if you subsidize something, you're going to get more of it.
If you tax something, you're going to get less of it.
That's just those are just economic realities.
They don't have emotions.
That's just the reality of the situation.
Just like, you know, in some sense, like the laws of physics, this is what you're going to get.
So if you subsidize people not working, and then tax people for working, you are going to get less people working than you otherwise would and more people not working.
So we have to be adult enough to deal with those realities.
That if you're going to pay people to not work, regardless of what the situation is, you're going to get a lot of people who otherwise would work, now not work.
tim pool
Check this out.
Check this out.
We got the story from Fox.
McDonald's drive-thru customer spots savage sign telling people to be patient.
No one wants to work.
This is kind of incredible to see someone at McDonald's actually put up.
Because it's a... Is there a photo?
There's a video of it.
I can't play the video.
Well, actually, I think I can, but I'd rather just read it.
So it's a TikTok user named Brittany Logan spotted the sign, called it savage.
It says, we are short staffed.
Please be patient with the staff that did show up.
No one wants to work anymore.
bill ottman
Yeah, man, the great Elon Musk quote, if you don't make stuff, there's no stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
bill ottman
Yeah.
But simultaneously, he supports UBI.
Sort of.
I've heard quotes.
tim pool
Listen, listen.
Am I going to cry about, you know, chemical garbage food not being pumped out to poor people?
Not really.
It is a problem.
Don't get me wrong.
But part of me deep inside is like, I just want to gloat that McDonald's can't, you know, keep cranking out this chemical garbage food.
You know what I mean?
dave smith
Yeah, well, I certainly understand that.
I also do wonder how much of a factor is, you know, the fact that people have been really, I mean, Like the psychological damage over the last year is really something.
I mean pretty much everybody in the positions of authority in this country were just working overtime to terrify the American people about this floating abstraction of a germ That they have to live their lives in constant fear and always be inside and covering your face and social distancing.
And I'd imagine there are some people that you mix that in with the economic incentives of like, we'll pay you a little bit if you don't work.
There's probably a lot of people who are like really scared.
bill ottman
It reinforces the belief.
tim pool
But I don't, I honestly, I don't know, man.
I think it's probably a lot of people being like, don't got to work, ain't going to work.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
dave smith
There's a lot of that too.
tim pool
Like, look, before any COVID stuff, we saw the Green New Deal.
And what did it say?
That frequently asked questions put up by AOC.
dave smith
Unwilling or unable.
tim pool
Unwilling to work.
They said they were going to provide, what does it say?
Economic access to those unwilling to work.
Unwilling.
It's like your parents go down to the basement and they see you sitting there in your own filth and like, get a job.
No, shut up, mom!
Then AOC's like, we should help him and give him money.
dave smith
The best part of it was that they put it up on her website in the frequently asked questions.
And then when people started making fun of it, they were like, they were like offended that you'd bring it up.
You're like, oh, you're going to bring up that old thing?
It's from your website.
Like what?
Yes.
We're going to ask you about it.
I mean, they said it was a first draft.
It wasn't supposed to go up.
tim pool
There's a viral meme where somebody tweeted, it's like a viral tweet, this guy tweeted, yo, my job started saying they're ending remote working and people started quitting.
The revolution is here.
Like there's actually a subreddit called anti-work.
There are people who are like, I don't want to work.
So the crazy thing is, when you talk to a lot of these leftists about this stuff, they say things like, yeah, but who would want to work at McDonald's, you know?
Like, is that a question of status, or is that a question of money?
Because, you know, I think a lot of McDonald's actually pay 15 bucks an hour.
The problem is unemployment's paying more than that.
And so McDonald's will have to increase- This is why UBI makes no sense.
Here's where this ultimately ends up.
What's happening now with this unemployment policy is just eroding the base of the economy, which will ultimately fall apart.
UBI doesn't work.
You know why?
You ever watch the Hunger Games?
You guys see the Hunger Games?
Yeah, in the Capitol in the Hunger Games.
They were gluttons who would drink Ipecac to barf to eat more food.
They did something like that in Rome, didn't they?
Like vomitoriums or something?
dave smith
After feasting, the feathers and stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, they'd go barf and then eat more.
Vomiting is not where vomitorium comes from, but that might be true.
tim pool
Something like that.
The point is, in the Hunger Games, they have the districts who have to work.
And, you know, the main character is in the coal mining district.
And the people in the capital don't do work.
This is what these people truly want.
The leftists who are advocating for this stuff want to live in the Hunger Games, but they want to be the capital.
Another example is how they want student loan forgiveness.
Now, I actually am for some form of forgiveness, maybe forgiving interest rates.
Saying, pay back the principal of what you owe now, but we're not going to keep raising the interest rates because that's insane.
Make it easy to pay off, but not free.
How insane is it that the left right now is advocating for the working class people to pay off the debts of the highest income earners in the country?
People with college degrees have higher salaries than people who don't, and they want the working class people to pay off their debts.
That is the capital city in the Hunger Games.
Now they're saying, they have these memes where it's like, if you can't afford to pay someone more than they could make on unemployment, then you are exploiting poverty.
Bro, they're paying people $16 an hour to be on unemployment.
bill ottman
How long is that going on?
tim pool
So it's been going on for a year and Biden's saying he's going to extend it.
Okay, so the plan right now is with the new $2 trillion relief package is to keep it going.
ian crossland
Obama did that 2008, nine, something like that.
tim pool
But that was that was that was an I think that was an extension on standard unemployment.
dave smith
Yeah, yeah, it was an extension to 99 weeks back then.
but that the thing is like you you see by then talking about
just the other day when he gave that speech to the distance masked congress and he's talking about taxing corporations
and how they don't pay their fair share and they have all these tax loopholes and all this and even forget the fact
that Joe Biden's been a senator for eighty five years he's written all of these you know tax loopholes into the law or
at least sign them into law that the truth is that he just signed one of the biggest if not the biggest corporate
welfare bills in history.
And to sign that into history and be giving all of these money to giant corporations and then turn around and say, you know, we really got to get some of this money back is just so disingenuous.
I mean, like, like, Stop giving them money.
Stop taxing.
And this is the same thing you're saying with bailing out student loan debts.
Stop taxing working people and paying the well-to-do with the money that you got.
If we can't get that basic thing right, what are we talking about here?
tim pool
This is why Democrats want 16-year-olds to vote.
Because 16-year-olds are going to be sitting there and being like, dude, it's so dumb that they're homeless people.
We have houses.
Just put the homeless person in the house.
Are you dumb?
And that's what they'll be voting for.
Right now you have these 20-something democratic socialist types who are like, the Biden administration needs to be printing money and increasing unemployment.
This is absurd.
People are losing their jobs.
And it's like, have you ever had a job?
Well, no, but it's not the point.
And then it's like, okay, so what you're saying is the government Should borrow tons of money, print tons of money, devaluing the savings of the working class while all the businesses are shut down so that people are forced to buy from Amazon.
So basically, they're devaluing the money you have and then giving what they've extracted from you to Amazon and Walmart and these other companies.
That's great.
That's a great leftist policy.
But hey, don't get me wrong.
These are the people that are coming out right now cheering for Facebook and laughing about it.
That is until they get censored and they come begging for help saying, please, we're the free speech warriors.
I got censored.
bill ottman
So how many states are open?
tim pool
Um, I think for the most part, like the blue ones are like somewhat opening.
bill ottman
So now it's basically like sort of a battle of the states.
In a sense.
tim pool
Oh, dude, we're we are.
We're being torn to shreds.
You look at I think I mentioned this a while ago.
Joe Biden said, you know, we're gonna have another lockdown if we need it.
And I'm like, Florida's already open for business.
So who's Joe Biden talking to?
Only the blue states.
dave smith
Yeah.
tim pool
When he comes out and says, you know, do X, do Y, lock things down, and Texas is like doing the exact opposite, you know he is not speaking to a single person in Texas.
dave smith
Yeah, I've never seen anything like this in my life in our country.
And there's been, you know, there's always examples of where, like, the media has their propaganda and real people don't really believe it.
But there's something about watching, you know, the, you know, Fauci, And the CDC guidelines and you'll see on CNN and they're like, hey, we've just decided you can take your mask off outside.
And you're literally like looking out your window at kids just playing with their masks off.
And it really feels like something out of the Soviet Union, like the propaganda has come down from Pravda.
And you're looking and you're like, we've been doing this forever.
But what are you talking about?
And I know there are some people who have.
tim pool
No, no, no.
What I mean is local ordinances have already ended on outdoor masks.
dave smith
But that's my point.
Even of liberal people who kind of believe in the whole we're supposed to wear masks thing, who has been following all of the rules?
Are people still living like it's March of 2020?
You're not hugging a family member?
tim pool
What I'm saying is, they actually lifted the mandates in Maryland for instance, and then Fauci's coming out later and I'm like, they already lifted the mandates!
What are you talking about?
dave smith
Well that's it, and it's almost like they're going like, now we've given you our official national orders that you can do the thing that you've been doing for 10 months.
So go ahead and do that.
And it's very bizarre.
And you see this, right?
Like in Florida, in Texas, which both states people are flooding into, people have been living relatively normal lives.
And to pretend that we're just now getting to the point where outdoors you can take your mask off, there's such a disconnect from reality.
tim pool
I don't think South Dakota ever even had that.
dave smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Outdoor mask mandates?
I'm not, I don't think so.
Uh, Texas and Florida completely opened up.
But I bring up Maryland specifically because it's like, they got a Republican governor, but it's a blue, blue state.
They lifted their outdoor mask mandates a little while ago.
And now I see like Fauci coming out.
I'm like, who, who is he talking to?
California and New York.
He's not talking to the rest of the country.
lydia smith
So isn't this the 10th amendment in practice?
Like, okay.
From the example of Maryland, I've never seen people outside with masks, period.
Except the occasional moronic runner who decides to wear his mask while he's running.
But isn't this the Tenth Amendment, where states are just deciding to do their own thing?
Because this was never delegated to the federal government.
dave smith
Well, you know, this is, I mean, it's a real sick perversion of the Tenth Amendment, if it is that.
Because truthfully, none of the states have the right to do what they've done.
I mean, they don't have, the Tenth Amendment basically says that anything that is not expressly delegated to the federal government is left to the states or the people.
so that if something isn't, you know, delegated to a federal power, the states can do it.
But there is no legality to the states violating constitutionally protected rights in the Bill
of Rights. So like there, the Cuomo and, you know, Newsom and all of these governors.
Yeah, they did not have the right to shut down a religious ceremony to tell you that you can't peacefully assemble.
I mean, what we've dealt with over the last year has been a true rise of many dictators amongst governors who have taken power to themselves that should be Absolutely.
by the federal or local governments or anyone willing to do it.
And to me, this was the great failure of Donald Trump in 2020, that he did not do anything
to, listen, I mean, if there's, if some, one diner in Alabama somewhere put a whites only
sign outside their door and the state government didn't want to do anything about it.
The feds would come in there and say, no, you cannot do that.
You don't have the right to do that.
And okay, fine.
But that Cuomo and and you know Newsom can just shut down their
entire states and nobody's going to come in and tell them like sorry this is a free country we
have constitutionally protected rights the the fact that that didn't happen from anyone is is uh
unconscionable.
tim pool
there were lawsuits against the state for doing it. Cuomo went, okay, I'll make another executive
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
order and then sue me for that one. And they just kept doing it. That's right. You know,
so you mentioned Donald Trump and he didn't handle this.
Let me slow down a second.
A lot of people talk about the response to COVID, specifically having to deal with the spread.
And they say Trump didn't do a good enough job.
And I say, well, let's be honest, there's no control group by which to measure whether he did or didn't do a good job.
You can argue that some things in your opinion may have been better.
Honestly, I don't know all that much.
So I think Operation Warp Speed must have been a good thing.
A lot of people are really excited, cheering on Joe Biden for the vaccines that Donald Trump helped make happen.
But Donald Trump did not use the power of the federal government to protect people's constitutional rights for a year.
And you know what?
What did we see?
As riots across the country, did Donald Trump do anything about it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And people were like, well, hindsight is 20-20.
You know, now that we know that he lost, people are saying at the time, yeah, but they'll call him a fascist, say, here it comes.
And then, you know, he's trying to win in November.
It's like, well, he lost anyway, so he didn't stop any of the extremists.
They went around burning things down and smashing stuff.
And then we're all left holding the bag with a Biden presidency who also is doing nothing and it's only getting worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Which, uh, I have a story on this.
Which brings me to my next story.
This one's crazy, man.
Did you see this video?
Portland.
There was a group of armed leftists patrolling streets and blocking roads.
These aren't protesters holding hands and pulling up banners.
Literally, this is a guy with full blackout gear and body armor with an AR-15 and I think one other guy.
And they're blocking cars, smashing windows and pepper spraying people.
One guy gets up on, you know, he's like, he opens his door and he's standing up on his truck with the door open with his hand on his hip, and he draws his gun, he's holding it low ready, and the guys, the Antifa guys immediately pull their guns out, pointing their guns at him.
Yelling him stop.
They're blocking the road, alright?
At some point, he gets out of his car, and he actually draws on one of these guys.
They tackle him, take his weapon, nothing happens.
The cops are like- What was the purpose?
The purpose is that far left, the far left extremists are getting more militant, and- But were they protecting anything, or just arbitrarily- Taking control.
bill ottman
Taking, okay.
tim pool
It's patrol.
It's not a protest.
It's a patrol.
It is.
When you march around with guns, shutting things down, shutting down streets, smashing windows and attacking people.
I mean, maybe we shouldn't even call that a patrol.
We should call it, what, like an insurgency?
Attacking civilians in their cars.
No joke.
And there's another video right now.
We can't show this.
I think it's out of Chicago.
I'm not sure.
Was that Chicago, that video that I sent you?
Which one?
lydia smith
Oh, I'm not sure.
tim pool
No context, sorry.
It might be New York, it might be Chicago.
There's a bunch of protesters in the streets, like they've been doing, with impunity, and a car just slams the gas.
When the car starts pulling up, we're seeing this more and more and more, the far left will go around it and start
banging on it.
And it's like, these people are nuts.
But because there's never been any real legal ramification, they're not going to stay there and keep doing it.
Well, this person in the car said, screw it, slam the gas.
And it's like, it's a shocking video.
Normally when you see these videos where they're like, a car plows through protesters, it's like an SUV going like a mile an hour and they're screaming and yelling and then it just slowly drives away.
Nah, this one was somebody hit the gas and people went boom, boom, boom.
That's what's gonna happen because you see what happens in Portland with this with this video I don't I don't think they have any Fox News show so they show a little bit I can't show too much, but we've got a tweet you can see here's the guys wearing It looks like it might be body armor.
It might be actually a tactical vest like a camelback or something I don't know for sure and they're holding they're holding some AR-15s pointing at a regular regular old guy You know, I thought I was going to predict this, but I said it was going to be far right locking down streets and telling people to F off and get out of their towns.
And that's probably stupid because we know the far left has been increasingly violent and the escalation has come from them, not conservatives or, you know, rural folk.
But so here we are.
dave smith
I gotta say, I'm almost shocked that the right-wing response hasn't been more ferocious and quicker, to be honest.
And I'm thankful for that because I don't think it's going to do any good except just escalate the kind of civil war which I think any sane person would want to de-escalate.
But it's unbelievable, like, the level to which This has this has gotten and I think there's a lot of you
know, like I'm I'm I Wonder what the heck our society has done to allow some of
these young people who are out there blocking cars Antagonizing people wishing when all this but but I'm not
just blaming the people doing that I mean, obviously they're wrong for doing that
But it's like how have we and this maybe as I'm getting older and that I have kids now
I'm feeling this way where I'm like, how have we have a society failed these kids so much that this is where we're
at and And I think there's a lot to be said there.
And then also I can't believe that there's so much restraint on the other side that there aren't more people
bill ottman
just plowing them down Well the social pressure the social pressure on social
media, you know, they're going through their feeds and they Like these campaigns that are going on
I mean, I'm not on Instagram, but like I you know, there's all this pressure to do certain posts and like it's insane
tim pool
Yeah, everybody everybody make your your post up off a blank screen onto your Instagram to show you're in line
dave smith
with and if you don't But look I'm just saying like you could you can like hate
Antifa and just talk about how awful they are and I agree.
I'm not saying you're wrong to do that I mean, these are like punk kids who are being destructive
and just barbaric and it's awful But you know if you zoom out a little bit you're like wow
We really did like create a society where there are these kids where there's like no
So...
Like there's no religion in our society.
There's no values that replace that.
No discipline.
They're growing up in single mother households.
They're medicated from the time they're young.
They're pushed into these universities that don't prepare them for any type of jobs and just saddle them with all of this debt.
It's just there's nothing you can never buy.
You know you come out of imagine being one of these young kids who comes out of a university.
You've been fed this far left wing propaganda.
You're now 100 grand in debt.
Um, what prospects do you ever have to like get married, have kids and take care of a family?
You could never afford a house.
You're going to go work at Starbucks and try to pay your hundred grand.
tim pool
They feel like this is their value system.
bill ottman
It is their value system.
tim pool
That's why it's a cult.
The problem is.
Well, I'm not denying that, right?
what you said, but also consider that these are people growing up
in the wealthiest conditions in human history.
dave smith
I'm not denying that.
Right. So you're right.
tim pool
But look, in the 1700s, even if you are wealthy, you still
understood some hardship.
The old saying is that you, a poor person today
has better dental care than Rockefeller did in the 1900s
because technology improved things.
So if you were a rich person in the 1700s, you still needed to understand some basic things.
And so the gap between you and the poor, while what may have been dramatic for the time, is insanely different from today.
dave smith
So you're absolutely right.
They're wealthier than kings were at a certain point in time, right?
But what I'm talking about is something separate from wealth.
What I'm talking about is, look, my grandfather was far poorer than any of us are today and suffered through more hardships than any of us could imagine.
I mean, he was a Jew who escaped Nazi Germany and then fought in World War Two.
I mean, just a very hard life and worked in a factory.
It's all he ever did for his life.
But with that job, he could.
He got married.
His wife, my grandmother, didn't work.
He took care of two kids, owned a house, owned two cars, played poker on the weekends like you could.
Take care of a wife and kids and have an identity and a life.
Whereas today, even though they're much richer than that, what is your chances of owning a home, getting married, paying for the cost of education, healthcare?
I'm saying there's no identity there, is my point.
tim pool
You're right on the surface.
But you gotta compare the life of a family in the 40s and 50s to the life of a family today.
We have television, we have internet, we've got some of the greatest technology ever created, and we have to pay for those things that requires labor.
As the population expands, we get more specialists and more access to better technology, we still have to pay for it all.
So sure, you know, my dad, he was able to, you know, he actually worked two jobs when I was younger, and his dad before him worked a single job, you know, the greatest generation, but what did they have in their home?
Many of them didn't have TVs.
And so the kids would do chores, would go on newspaper routes, and they would be doing some kind of work.
So what's happening is we're saying, today, these kids can't even own a house.
Yes, you can.
It's called in the middle of West Virginia, and it's a $30,000 house.
You just don't want to live in it.
So, sure, there were suburban living when people didn't have the same access to utilities, when people didn't have access to the same medication.
People today say, oh, we need universal healthcare because people can't go to the doctor.
Dude, the medical care you can get on debt is a hundred times better than the medical care they were getting a hundred years ago, or a couple hundred years ago when they were injecting people with mercury or whatever for syphilis.
Nothing is stopping a person from taking their family and going and building a cabin in the middle of the woods
Except I guess for the fear eventually the federal government will wander off into the middle of Wyoming and
dave smith
well I met at you about it. So so I I don't completely disagree
with you I think that the fact that we've become richer than ever before is a good thing.
And I think the fact that we have luxury goods and consumer goods for cheaper than ever before, I think it's great.
I mean, it's risen the standard of living.
I guess it's just the fact that we've also, in this process, created, through our elected politicians, this system where we've subsidized the cost of housing, subsidized the cost of education, subsidized the cost of health care, to the point that they've all been tremendously inflated.
And we've also just lost a sense of community and values, which I think also goes hand in hand with the government taking more and more of a participatory role in society.
And I think this is just Again, I'm not disagreeing with you.
It's just a cocktail that's worked out to be what we see now.
tim pool
We need, uh, people need to have a return to like normalcy and understanding of the world.
What that means is...
Imagine life if you were just one day woke up in the middle of the woods, bug-naked.
Congratulations, that's life.
Everything we've built, I'm sorry, I shouldn't even say we.
Everything, every shoulder that is being stood upon by the giants is done for us.
We woke up, I was in New York one day, and I was riding my bike over the Williamsburg Bridge, and I was like, wow.
I never did anything to deserve this bridge to ride up and over this river and I had to I just imagine I'm like what it must have been like a couple of years ago when people were like waiting for the ferry they had to pay for to do it and then some people said I am going to plant this tree whose shade I know I will never sit beneath because in 50 years the children will be able to and their lives will be better.
Today People are now demanding and entitled of all of these things that were gifted to us, that we never paid for.
And so what happens is they say, I should be able to have a massive house, five bedrooms.
I should be able to only have to work, you know, a certain amount of time throughout the week, so I can have every luxury that this life can afford me.
And it's like...
Nah.
You're spoiled.
I'm sorry, but it's true.
If you had to go crash land on an island somewhere and then build a house out of coconuts or whatever, that's life.
We are living a gifted life from the people who came before us.
dave smith
Yeah, you're so right.
And you know what's interesting about that is that, like, kind of what you're getting at is that this idea of, like, the philosophical idea of UBI, right?
Like, we kind of already have that.
I mean, in just a pure free market with no government giving you a UBI, you kind of already have this where just because we were born here in a first world country in 2021 and we're living, we do stand on the shoulders of all of these people.
I mean, none of us really We've earned all of this technology that we get to speak through.
I mean, you may have bought the microphones and stuff, but we didn't invent all of it.
And we have all these things like you were saying with the bridge and the trees that other people have made before us.
tim pool
The bridge is a better example than the microphones, because that's something you can just use without paying for.
dave smith
Well, sure, but I'm just saying that even if you pay for this, someone else invented it, and we all benefit from the fact that other minds put in all of this labor to make all of this happen, and just the fact that we have this level of wealth around us.
I mean, we could be the exact same people born in some third world country or on some desert island, and we don't get any of that.
So that is our UBI.
But to your other point about that, which I think is the real – it's almost like
the contradiction of the human experience is that even though there's this kind of
selfish impulse to go, well, no, we don't care about passing it on to the next generation,
and you go like, well, look, all of this was passed on to you, so don't you have some
obligation to pass it on to the next generation?
But I'll tell you this, after having kids it really opened my eyes up to this, that it's actually a much more rewarding existence.
You will be a much happier person when you are focused on passing something on to the next generation.
That's like the beauty of life.
That when you're living for others and thinking about what's been given to you and what you can give on to the next generation, that's when you don't want to go block a car in the street and throw a Molotov cocktail through the window.
Because you've got something kind of bigger to live for.
tim pool
They don't have kids.
dave smith
Well, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
So you can be a person of empathy and community without having kids.
Sure.
So we as a society... But it helps.
It absolutely does.
bill ottman
It throws it in your face.
tim pool
But so you have people who don't have family, don't have community.
They create these nebulous online communities of disparate beliefs that make no sense.
And then they're angry that they're not getting what they think they deserve.
They're not working.
They don't want to work.
They want to make the government pay for it, extract the wealth out of the system to give
to them, and they will get violent.
This is, it is, what's the right way to describe it?
It is, um... Blasphemy?
No, no, no, no.
It's a chaotic, destructive force.
Like fire.
ian crossland
Jealousy.
tim pool
That is burning at the foundation.
It's a rot at the foundation of our society of people who think they're entitled to things but won't work for things.
ian crossland
What's happening?
tim pool
And it's corrupting the foundations.
And if we don't do something about it?
bill ottman
They think they're helping by not having kids.
That's what their argument is because they think, you know, we're overpopulated.
I don't think that's true.
There's a lot of people who think that.
unidentified
But that's a rationalization, I think.
tim pool
Exactly.
So what I think is actually happening is they're extremely selfish.
They want everyone to give to them.
They don't understand what it means to give back.
And so, as you mentioned, it's a rationalization.
Oh, well, I'm doing this because, you know, Bad for the planet.
Okay.
ian crossland
You know, I think a lot of it is wealth disparity because we are super wealthy, all of us, but the disparity is greater than it's ever been.
And if you've ever been poor in a room with a bunch of rich people and like, you're having a great day, everyone's having a great time.
You're all equals.
Then all of a sudden you're like, I got to go do some crap job I hate.
And they're all like, I don't.
Cause I, my dad was rich and I, I don't ever have to do anything.
And the anger that you feel.
unidentified
Well, I don't follow.
tim pool
Have you felt that?
ian crossland
I've never felt that.
See, that's probably the anti-commentality.
tim pool
I've never felt that.
ian crossland
I've felt like, why do I have to be the one that has to go work a low paying job because
my parents weren't rich when my friends don't have to work?
tim pool
That's probably the answer.
ian crossland
And they all drive around in cars.
tim pool
Exactly.
And exactly because I didn't have that.
So I grew up.
Someone mentioned earlier, take a shot if Tim mentioned South Side of Chicago.
Now's your chance.
You just did.
And so a lot of crackheads, a lot of heroin addicts, a lot of poor people.
And then I started, you know, playing music, which, you know, I went around to different venues, met different people in different areas, eventually met a bunch of rich kids.
And I never cared.
I don't care.
I don't care about what that person is doing.
It's a waste of my time to sit there and be like, why do they have money?
I was like, yeah, their parents are rich, whatever.
I'm gonna focus on doing my thing, but you know what?
Maybe I'm lucky enough to be grounded in reality.
To understand something really simple.
Anybody listening, here's what you do.
If you're in a big city, even today, stand in a street corner and say cheeseburger.
And look people in the eyes, cheeseburger?
Cheeseburger?
Eventually someone will come back and be like, I got you cheeseburger, buddy.
I'm not kidding.
It will work.
I'm dead serious.
You can go to any major city because people tend to be good and want to help, and you can say to any random person, can I buy a cheeseburger?
But hold on.
You're right.
Go to Sub-Saharan Africa.
Go to the Middle East.
Go to Egypt.
And see what happens if you sit there and beg for this stuff.
People are going to be like, is that a joke?
dave smith
Yeah.
A lot of countries will help you out, for sure.
I think the essence of the point you're making, which is absolutely right, is that our crisis is not a true crisis of real poverty.
That's not the issue.
Exactly.
Even our poor people, our rich people... Our homeless people.
tim pool
homeless people are fat bro.
dave smith
Compare to other societies that have existed.
So that's not the problem.
And again, maybe this is just like the way I look at things since being a father.
But when I look at somebody who's out on the streets, like one of these Antifa members,
who's this little punk kid who's dressed in all black.
Some of them are in their forties bro.
But he's still a punk kid in his forties who will, you know, like, you know, the way they fight where it's not even like someone like, like, there's no honor and even being like, like, why don't we take this outside and fight?
It's like they'll go talk shit and then someone stands up to them and they run away and then they look at the other guy and then they sucker punch him behind them and then they all pound on him when he's down.
I go, I look at that and go, who Who raised you?
Nobody.
And who were your parents who were responsible for instilling something into you?
The Federal Reserve.
Well, that's part of it, but there were real human beings who made this human being.
And I'm just saying that we lost... It's not an issue of poverty.
It's something different than that.
It's like the soul of the culture.
We lost this thing that you... Honor.
Yes, honor and some type of social pressure to raise your damn children.
tim pool
I was thinking about this the other day.
Scruples are gone.
People used to genuinely feel remorse if they stole or lied to somebody.
Maybe I'm romanticizing the past.
But community used to be like, I can't do that.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, because you can't do it.
You know, it's just like deep within your soul, you feel something you can't do.
Scribbles.
Now it's like people are like, oh, I'll lie to whoever to get whatever I want.
The moral foundation is being shattered.
dave smith
Did you see, uh, I saw someone was sharing this clip, like an old Alex Jones clip on Twitter today where he's, you know, it's like a classic Alex Jones clip where he's screaming like a maniac.
But if you listen to what he's saying, he's actually making a pretty good point.
Which is like 90% of Alex Jones.
unidentified
You're like, man, if you were just not yelling at me, I'd agree.
dave smith
It was old.
It was like, it must have been like 15 years old, but he's talking about how he's like,
the kids are worshiping Justin Bieber.
Yes, I saw that.
And they're worshiping, you know, and he goes, what about Magellan?
Magellan sailed around the world.
That is amazing.
He's screaming at you, but you're kind of like, I mean, he's making a good point.
tim pool
Wait, wait, my favorite.
unidentified
He's like, there were 200 men on that ship and only 11 made it.
Calm down.
dave smith
Like, dude, if you weren't pulling your hair out of your head, like I'd say you're making
a very logical point.
But there's part of this, right?
There was no tradition and honor and upbringing for children.
And I'm just saying that I think a lot of times today, at least I get this a lot, that if you address any of these issues, People say, they go, oh, you're like some social conservative right winger or something like this.
And then the implication is almost one step away from like, well, you must hate gay people or hate trans people or hate black people or something like that.
But we're not allowed to ever just go, and I feel this a lot more these days, but you just go like, you know, you go on Instagram and see all the like, you know, every girl's like in a thong and you're like, these values suck.
This sucks as a culture to raise a daughter in.
This is not good.
tim pool
Before we move too far, I have to make one point on your Alex Jones thing.
You remember when he was talking about turning the frogs gay?
That's probably the most famous Alex Jones meme.
He's yelling and he's like, they're turning the freaking frogs gay!
And he like, you know, pounds.
Imagine if instead of that, you had Alex.
But no one had ever seen him before, right?
It's the first time he'd ever appeared.
He's wearing a, you know, like a tweed sweater or something or whatever.
He's got like leather patches, and he's got a corncob pipe, and he's wearing glasses, and he goes, Now, an interesting study came out about atrazine.
It's a pesticide.
And he's talking to other, you know, glasses individuals, and he goes, The interesting thing about this atrazine is that it's disrupting the endocrine systems of amphibians, notably frogs.
In many of these regions now on the coasts, you can see that it's draining off into the oceans, having less of an impact on groundwater.
But in the Middle East, it's a very serious problem.
Dare I say, jokingly, they're turning the frogs gay now.
No, but in all seriousness, there would never be a meme.
It was Alex Jones yelling and slamming, they're turning the frogs gay.
dave smith
That's the Trump phenomenon, right?
Like when everyone would be like, man, if he just didn't, if he wasn't so brash and he didn't do all this, then maybe he could have gotten this done.
And you're like, no, he'd never be there.
unidentified
Right.
dave smith
That's the whole thing, right?
Yeah.
That's the contradiction is he'd never be there if he hadn't.
The reason Trump was president is because he was the guy who was willing to look at Jeb Bush and go, your brother lied us into war and basically wink, wink, nod, nod.
You can't pleasure your wife.
What do you think low energy was really saying?
He kept going, Jeb Bush, you're low energy.
What was the real implication of that?
tim pool
Yeah, but he wasn't wrong.
Please clap.
dave smith
He clearly wasn't.
That's why he won, because he was clearly dead right.
And then even he could look at Hillary Clinton and go, yeah, nasty woman and all these things.
And that's part of why he won.
But it was also his downfall.
So that's the thing with Alex Jones, right?
But there is something, there's a really important principle there.
And from my perspective, and maybe this is my own libertarian bias, but I really do think That the government, the rise of the welfare state, the rise of big government in America, that they undermined all the bonds that used to hold people together, right?
So instead of the welfare state, you would have communities, you would have churches, you would have neighborhoods, all of these bonds.
And that as the state got more and more powerful, they destroyed all of these bonds intentionally, in the same way that the communists hate religion, because they hate anything that's a unifying force more powerful than the state.
tim pool
So to me, this is what destroyed our call. I've been I've been talking about abolishing the police now for the past
Yeah, I guess a couple of months but and Michael Malice has been cheering for it on Twitter, but it's not for the same
reason For the most part, you know, so Michael said when we had
Alex Johns on the show He said that it's his constitutional right to keep in bear
arms to defend himself Mm-hmm
And every single cop in New York City would arrest him if he tried to uphold his own rights
And that's why he said every single cop was was bad and Alex was like no you can't say that that's wrong
dave smith
And only Michael Malice can make Alex Jones the moderate Right, right, right.
tim pool
But so I actually do think we need police.
The problem is they shouldn't be following unconstitutional orders, enforcing illegal laws or taking illegal action.
But now the main reason, because I've had people message me saying, Tim, you're wrong about abolishing the police.
Well, hold on.
Have you been paying attention to what's going on?
What story did we just cover, just in the last segment?
Portland Antifa, in blackout gear, which they've been doing the whole time, now with rifles, stopping vehicles, smashing out their windows, attacking pedestrians and regular folk, and when a guy tries to get through and draws on them, because they drew on him already, they knock him down, they take his gun, where are the cops?
The cops can't stop Antifa.
In Portland, the majority of people who were arrested, even on felony charges, even people who confessed to attacking cops, had their charges dropped.
But guess what?
The FBI is hunting down each and every single conservative.
In New York City, when the Proud Boys fought Antifa, those Proud Boys are now in prison.
The system is broken.
It's corrupted.
We are watching all of this happen every day.
And the cops may be neutral arbiters, but it's a sorting algorithm where they are funneling
people on left and right into a justice system that is only punishing the right and moderates
and those who are standing up for small businesses.
I assure you, if you live in the Portland area and these groups with guns come out,
If you even try to defend yourself, you will get locked up.
We've already seen it happen.
One guy who drew on these Black Lives Matter protesters, he got charged.
I think he got a felony or something.
He got a felony charge.
And he was legally bearing his arm, which is allowed to do.
And there was a group, a raucous group, which is known to have been violent in protest.
And he drew on them.
You could argue the whole thing all day and night, but a felony charge?
So here's what's gonna happen.
Conservatives have consistently defended the cops, and I understand why.
Because cops do a tough job.
But then we started seeing cops shut down small businesses, arrest small business owners, and then conservatives start saying, nah, I'm done with this, and throwing the thin blue line flag in the dirt and stomping on it.
Now it's starting to come back to defending cops again, and I'm like, do you realize You're the target.
In New York City, it's like, what, 20% conservative?
It's like very, very few conservatives.
When Antifa goes around smashing up windows, these people aren't going to go to jail.
When you go and in any way defend yourself or defy these restrictions, they will lock you up in two seconds.
It was the funniest thing when that salon owner in Texas, I think it was, she got arrested for opening her salon while they were letting the criminals out of the jail.
They were saying, we can't have criminals in jail because of COVID.
But she can.
dave smith
And they were saying it was dangerous for COVID to open your salon, but we will take you and put you in jail where there's this massive COVID outbreak and we're letting people out.
tim pool
And that's inhumane to put someone into a pandemic situation.
dave smith
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's inhumane to put a human being in a cage for the crime of opening their
business period, but particularly in a pandemic.
tim pool
While letting the criminals out.
dave smith
Have you heard the term anarcho-tyranny before?
Because that's what this is describing.
So the idea of anarcho-tyranny is the idea that you have the worst of both worlds, right?
Right.
You have the worst of anarchism and the worst of tyranny.
So there are incredibly rigid rules that you will be just destroyed for violating.
I mean, if you get something wrong on your tax form, you will go to jail for this.
If you do what you know, there's all of these different laws that you can be busted for
for any different number of felonies that you don't even know about.
Like we all commit like five felonies a day without even knowing it.
Right.
But then at the same sense, there's the worst sense of anarchy for people.
So you get your car stolen and a cop comes up to you and goes, well, that sure does suck.
I can fill out a form and then we'll see you later.
But if you defend yourself with a weapon, then you're going to go to jail.
And that's what we're seeing more and more.
Right.
We're seeing the fact that this has been going on in San Francisco and Los Angeles and all
these places where.
If someone comes in and steals from your store, we're not really going to prosecute them.
But if you pull a gun on them while they're stealing from their store, you might go to jail for a decade.
So this is the world that we're living in more and more now.
And I think that conservatives are starting to realize that they are the enemy group.
So for you to be defending the enforcers of the state, which let's get real, that's what cops are.
For you to be defending them when you're the enemy group is, to borrow a word that some on the right like to use, the ultimate in cuckoo tree.
tim pool
We're at a point now where we've been watching this for a year.
The salon owner.
They open the jails and release the criminals and then put the small business owner in the jail.
I mean, that's tyranny.
So I made that point.
If this continues, conservatives will be less able to vote because they're being charged with felonies.
Not even conservatives, like moderates who defend themselves are going to get felony charges.
Can't vote, sorry.
In many states.
I mean, the left might actually give them their right to vote back.
In a long enough period of time, it will just detriment the right and it will scare everyone into being, clearly we don't want to be with whatever that is.
I'll just do what the left says.
But hold on.
What if at this point we said, all right, how about this?
No cops.
Then what happens?
Well, you can keep in bare arms now, you can defend yourself, and you can defend yourself.
dave smith
Oh, this would be cleaned up in a second.
Believe me, all these riots, you don't need Trump to send in the federal goons or anything like that.
If you just said, all it takes, and there were a couple local sheriffs who did this during the riots and basically cleaned up their whole town.
Yeah, if you just said, hey, guess what?
We believe in the Second Amendment here, and if you go, and if there was actually the state behind you on this, and you said, if you go and violate someone's private property, and they have a gun, we are not prosecuting them for defending themselves.
This thing would be cleaned up.
But by the way, can I just make one more point to what you were saying before?
What were the few exceptions for the people who were actually prosecuted?
During all the government buildings that were that were attacked, right?
So what is the clear message from the government there? How disgusting is this stay away from our property?
You go ahead and you vandalize any of the private property you want to you go terrorize a shoe store owner go terrorize
a bodega No problem can serve it away from the statehouse and you'll
tim pool
be just conservatives got to get on board with Abolishing the police and not every single instance small
towns are probably fine But on the best example is in Milwaukee when black lives
matter. I think it was Milwaukee They showed up to a guy's house, right? Mm-hmm. They were
protesting in front of his house One of the guys who organized this had previously been to another mob gathering that set fire to someone's home.
So all these people are outside screaming.
This guy pulls up his shotgun and points it out the window.
The window is closed, but he points it, you know, visibly at the window.
When the police show up, Black Lives Matter is clapping and cheering and celebrating as the cops go into this man's home and arrest him.
Well, for what?
Now, maybe you shouldn't have pointed the gun directly at them, but, like I said, the guy who organized this had previously organized another rally where they set fire to a woman's home.
Twice!
Cops came out, put it out, they set fire to it again.
So this guy's like, I'm gonna show them I'm armed, and you can make an argument whether he should or shouldn't have done that.
I believe people have a right to keep and bear arms, and if you're on your property and people are encroaching on your property and threatening you, he didn't even fire a shot, it was a warning.
But here's the point.
The cops gleefully arrested him.
The worst point?
Black Lives Matter celebrated.
You know what that means?
You think people have been saying they want to abolish the police so they can federalize it.
They want to abolish the police to get their woke enforcers in.
They don't really want to abolish the police.
They want to exert pressure until the police start doing whatever they want out of fear of losing their jobs.
dave smith
Yeah, well why do you think they did such a 180 on abolish the police?
I mean, as soon as the implications of that started coming out, they were like, well, abolish the police doesn't really mean abolish or defund the police doesn't really mean it.
tim pool
But that's the Democrats.
No, what I mean is the left comes out and says, abolish the police!
And the cop goes, I don't want to lose my job.
Well, then you better arrest the conservative.
You got it.
Anything you say, please.
I'm begging you, please.
dave smith
Well, look, I mean, if you're somebody who's if you are a right winger or a conservative, Just think through the implications of actually defunding the police and what that would mean.
Well, it's like you said, nobody's going to arrest you for any type of gun violation, so gun rights are now absolute.
They're not going to be able to enforce these stupid regulations on your business.
Who's going to be the tax collectors?
Who's going to do all of this?
It actually leads to a much smaller government world.
Which would be a much better situation.
tim pool
And take personal responsibility.
dave smith
And also, I will say this too, it also takes away what are some of the legitimate criticisms of people on the left, which I'm not saying is like the violent rioters, but there are some people on the left who make a legitimate point that there are cops who go around and harass people in these high crime neighborhoods.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate criminals in those neighborhoods who deserve to be harassed, but there's also, let's get real, There's a lot of kids who walk around who just look like
the suspect that they're trying to go after in these neighborhoods who get harassed.
And let them also not be harassed anymore.
Also the whole war on guns, like all the whole gun control regime, I mean the real victims
of it, not saying it's the exclusive victims, but the most likely victims of it are people
not saying it's the exclusive victims, but the most likely victims of it are people who
who live in these high crime neighborhoods who are minorities for the most part, who
live in these high crime neighborhoods who are minorities for the most part, who have
have guns usually to protect themselves.
guns usually to protect themselves.
tim pool
And they get charged with thugs.
dave smith
And they get charged with thugs.
And they get charged.
We got guys, we have tons of people in this country, disproportionately black and brown
people who are sitting in cages for decades for the crime of owning a gun.
Not doing anything to anyone with that gun, just having a gun.
The prohibition on guns has been just as disastrous as the prohibition on drugs.
And we should end all of them.
tim pool
I think the party of personal responsibility should start taking more of it.
Because you know, look, I get it.
Maybe there's this vision of like an old timey era when Officer Friendly was there to protect your community.
Now we're at a point where the justice system is basically corrupted.
Extremely wealthy leftists started funding district attorneys races, putting in far-left DAs, people like Kim Foxx, after Jussie Smollett's whole ridiculous, you know, MAGA country garbage, Kim Foxx lets him go.
This guy.
It was so obvious.
This is what happens.
The justice system is completely corrupt.
But I gotta stress, man, the Proud Boys in New York City, four years in prison, Yeah.
If the Proud Boys want to get in a fight with Antifa because Antifa has been threatening and harassing them, then maybe you don't want police to be there to arrest you and put you in prison afterwards when you decide that you are going to confront the problem in the way you think is appropriate.
Now look, I don't think fighting is appropriate.
I don't think anybody should be fighting Antifa or the Proud Boys.
But if Antifa wants to show up to someone's event and instigate fights, Okay then, there's a thing called mutual combat.
Okay, maybe that's what we need.
The problem is, in New York, you can't have guns, you can't protect yourself.
If you even consider it, they will lock you up.
The problem is that, the way I described it recently is, imagine you're at a blackjack table at a casino, and it's a right-wing guy and the left-wing guy.
The left-wing guy is counting cards, and you're sitting there going like, he keeps winning!
He's winning like, look how much money he's got, I keep losing!
Because the house always wins.
The dealer isn't playing favorites.
It's just that they're gaming the system and the house is gaming you.
That's where we're currently at with conservatives defending cops.
They're going to keep going after small businesses.
Antifa is going to walk around the street with rifles.
Now, hold on.
They're allowed to do that.
You can walk around with a gun.
Constitutional right.
Keeping bare arms.
But they smash out windows, they attack pedestrians, and then draw down on some dude
who's driving his truck through the area.
bill ottman
Guess when...
unidentified
No charges.
bill ottman
Guess when police first started in America.
tim pool
It was the late 1600s, early 1700s.
bill ottman
Yeah, 1636, so it was like night watch groups that would report to like a constable.
tim pool
Well, it was initially, we had local militias.
Some states, I think there were like two states, set up slave patrols.
From that, the left has tried arguing that the origin of all police was slave patrols.
The idea of centralized law enforcement was actually imported from some European countries.
I think it was like Amsterdam or something.
And so eventually, people started saying, maybe instead of having these ever-escalating conflicts between neighbors and the militia, we just create neutral arbiters who will come down, make the arrest, and the courts can deal with it.
We're at a point now where I think that's a great idea.
However, in these blue states, people don't care about your rights and believe they have a right to vote away your rights.
So they'll say, like, I don't care what the Second Amendment says.
I think we can just decree your right doesn't exist.
The Constitution was supposed to stop that.
Apparently, it doesn't.
Now you have conservatives who live in these places who are surrounded by cops who would gladly enforce illegal actions like Bill de Blasio's ridiculous painting or arrest you for exercising your God-given rights.
The state doesn't give them to you.
The government doesn't.
God did.
That's in the Constitution.
dave smith
The thing that's so infuriating to me is that we've watched, let's just say, just in the 21st century, not going back, you know, the whole history of policing, but just in the 21st century, I mean, we have the most militarized police force in the world.
What does that mean though?
Well, I'm just saying there's really nothing.
There's really no country out there that has as many SWAT units, has as much military gear and their police officers.
unidentified
When I say this, I mean... But is that because we're a big country?
tim pool
I don't think that's a fair statement.
dave smith
No, I mean, I think even per capita, even our Department of Education has a SWAT team.
The EPA...
unidentified
What?
dave smith
No way!
team. I mean we have a police force, look it up I promise you, we have a police force that's just
unlike anything else. The NYPD I think is in the top 20 biggest armies in the world. It's not just
that we're a big country, I mean there's a lot more to it than that. And a lot of it was built up.
tim pool
He's right. The Department of Education has a SWAT team.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dave smith
No, the Department of Education.
tim pool
All right, you got me there.
That's a weird one.
dave smith
So I'm saying, like, and we have all of this.
And if it was ever justified, you'd be like, well, when there's mass riots, this militarized police will make sure to stop it.
And then when there are the mass riots, they do nothing.
And then, I mean, what is it?
I think we have 50,000 SWAT raids on average a year or something like that.
I mean, it's something crazy.
And you'll have SWAT raids over, like, alleged drug possession.
Sometimes they get the wrong house and just shoot your dog or whatever.
They've shot kids before.
It's like SWAT raid.
You know, if you were to think about it in theory and we were just talking about it, like, when is it appropriate to have a SWAT raid?
You'd probably be like, I don't know, like a hostage situation when someone's about to kill someone else.
Maybe not.
It's like, I think he's got a no-no plant in his drawer.
And so we have this.
This is what I mean by the anarcho-tyranny.
bill ottman
We have the worst of the police state.
Certainly go after the former president's lawyer.
unidentified
Right, right.
dave smith
Exactly.
Or Roger Stone or something like that.
So we have the worst of a police state without any of even the benefits of it.
Like, they'll protect your property if there's a riot.
So, I mean, you know.
tim pool
Do you remember the story?
There was some guy, I can't remember exactly what it was, so maybe I'm getting a little bit wrong.
Fact check me on this one.
He put grow lamps in a house.
He, like, rented a house.
He put grow lamps in it with, like, ficus or some stupid house plant.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Because they were detecting the energy consumption.
waited and then a SWAT team raided the house and he was like what are you doing
in my like what's going on they jump out with cameras they're filming all the
cops and they're like what are you doing and they apparently tried using grow
lamps as justification that they were doing a drug raid because they I mean
bill ottman
they were detecting the energy consumption yeah they could see the
tim pool
energy consumption and so they made an assumption about what's going on in the
dave smith
house and I bet you none of those cops went to jail No, but the guy, like, put it on the internet, and he was like... Yeah, sure, and embarrassed them, but, you know, if we had any type of, like, just society going here, wouldn't you be like, well, okay, I mean, you just committed a crime, right?
You broke into somebody's house.
Like, any of us would go to jail if we did that, but they don't.
So, and the other thing that I gotta say is that, you know, I understand, and I agree with a lot of what you're saying, like, and there is, like, a lot of these left-wing, you know, cities and states do have these problems.
But I gotta say, I find something not maybe kind of funny in a dark way, but certainly ironic That now Joe Biden is turning the war on terror inward and the target is right-wingers.
And even Liz Cheney is like championing this.
And I guess I'm just old enough to remember that it was the right-wingers who supported George W. Bush who championed this whole war on terror beginning.
unidentified
I'm not talking about just the Republican Party or the ones who went over to the Democratic Party.
tim pool
I'm not just talking about... He's a Democrat now.
ian crossland
I'm not... Yeah, he's an arms dealer.
tim pool
The Republican Party is not on board with that. Liz Cheney is being voted out.
dave smith
I'm not talking about just the Republican Party or the ones who went over to the Democratic Party.
I'm saying that right-wingers in America voted for Dick Cheney and George W. Bush,
and they mocked... I'm not saying all of them, but a large enough percentage of them...
tim pool
No, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Bro, that's 20 years ago.
unidentified
Right!
dave smith
And now the chickens have come home to roost.
tim pool
No, you're talking about 38-year-olds who didn't vote for that, who are now finding themselves conservatives or Republican, being like— That's right.
dave smith
They are paying for the sins of the right-wingers who came before them.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
dave smith
Who, you know, really ruined the— Yes, a 25-year-old right-winger has no responsibility for that.
tim pool
We're talking about standing on the shoulders of giants and reaping all these benefits.
I don't care if it's Democrat or Republican.
We're paying for the penalties of their failures going back.
dave smith
So much of the problems with this country, and don't get me wrong, I think you can go back to Woodrow Wilson and pretty much blame everything on him.
tim pool
All of it.
dave smith
I mean, yes.
And I believe that.
It's all Woodrow Wilson's fault.
ian crossland
He was really bad.
dave smith
It's all Woodrow Wilson's fault.
Everything.
ian crossland
He signed the Federal Reserve Act.
dave smith
Yes.
He created the Federal Reserve, the income tax, got us into World War I, basically created the FBI as we know it.
It's all his fault.
If you want to focus on the 21st century, the first eight years of it were under George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and they blew the entire beginning of this century.
And we are really suffering under those ramifications now.
And so now it's taken on this new kind of woke Flavor.
But many times it's the same corporate interests, the same military industrial complex interests behind it.
It's just the new justification is wokeism.
Like now we have to stay in Afghanistan for feminism or something.
You know, it's not it's not because we have to hunt down bin Laden anymore, but it's the same policy and the same companies profiting and like kind of all the same thing.
But I'm just saying I remember when the right wing had the culture and they kind of did set us on the course.
tim pool
The establishment lost control with Trump.
The Democrats were able to ward, to keep Bernie Sanders out, to co-opt him and, you know, make him just shuffle the leftists into the Democratic coalition.
But on the right, Trump was the raging bull and they couldn't control him, they lost control.
So these establishment, Republican, I don't want to call them conservatives, and neocons, become Democrats effectively.
They start supporting of the Democrats do now you have people like Kinzinger and Liz Cheney who want the war on
terror to focus on The deviant right-wing Americans. Yes, that's right
They this what they want is the neo-conservative right to be the right in this country and the neolib to be the left
in this country Bernie Sanders was weak and they easily shut him down and
but And they couldn't listen turning the war on terror against
dave smith
his followers You're right
And I think you're really on to something there and as you could see if you remember when Bernie Sanders looked like
he might Beat Joe Biden if you remember before Super Tuesday when
they all circled the wagons and got him out What did you hear from the corporate press? They are like
the brown shirts. They're basically Nazis Now, imagine if they had actually won and gotten their
candidate in there, you would see a lot of this energy turned on them.
What the right-wingers are being punished for right now is that they committed blasphemy.
You were told to vote for Jeb Bush.
We told you we were giving you another Bush.
And you decided, you decided to go for this Trump guy who we told you was unacceptable.
And so now you have to be smacked as Nazis.
And the same, they were starting to do the same thing, but the Democrats kind of fell in line and also Bernie Sanders fell in line.
So their leader basically fell in line.
tim pool
They were saying the Bernie bros are violent.
It's dangerous.
dave smith
Bernie.
Sexist.
tim pool
Remember when Bernie came out and was like, stop doing these things.
Like he had to tell his followers to stop being violent.
dave smith
Which was all bullshit.
bill ottman
So you think we would have avoided a lot of this extreme polarization if it had been Obama, Jeb Bush, and then like a nice back and forth?
dave smith
No, my point is that we have this extreme polarization because of Bush and Obama and all of them.
But now the establishment is freaking out because they've lost control of this thing.
And now they love his paintings.
The standard line is that like Trump destroyed the Republican Party, but I think that's nonsense.
I think that George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party and Trump was the aftermath.
bill ottman
And now they love his paintings.
dave smith
Well, that's right.
They do.
But because they always loved him.
They never had a problem with him.
bill ottman
Look, they hated him.
dave smith
Everyone hated him.
They turned on him when it was convenient.
They sold his wars.
The New York Times was not being woke leftist.
Judith Miller and all of these hacks were selling every one of his lies, which were
ridiculous.
OK, the idea that Saddam Hussein.
and Iran and North Korea were all doing 9-11 together or whatever it was.
They sold these wars, got us into them. Then when they saw the disastrous ramifications of the wars,
they went, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's real bad. This is no good.
Then they pushed behind Obama.
But this was all- What did Obama do?
Expanded every last one of them.
tim pool
And what did Joe Biden do once he was put in charge of Iraq?
Little old brother got control of the construction contracts.
Made millions of dollars.
Just a coincidence, mind you.
And then, you know, for just totally unrelated reasons, his son got on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm during, you know, the height of this conflict with natural gas and gas problems.
Totally coincidental.
dave smith
And Obama not only continued the Bush foreign policy, he expanded it to a level that Bush and Cheney probably couldn't have gotten away with.
I mean, Obama inherited the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and continued them for every single day of his presidency.
But not only that, he expanded the war into Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia.
I mean, he just took the wars all over the place.
bill ottman
The war on whistleblowers.
dave smith
Well, yes.
tim pool
More whistleblowers prosecuted than all other presidents combined.
dave smith
Yeah, it might as well have been another eight years of George W. Bush.
It was worse.
Yeah, maybe even worse, I mean, debatably.
tim pool
And the press was behind him all the way.
I mean, the activists hated George W. Bush, but, like you mentioned, the New York Times sold it.
dave smith
But I think that there was something that they noticed with Obama, and I think this is where the corporate woke takeover really started, is that Obama Yeah.
one of the most effective things from the establishment point of view and one of the most
awful things from any sane person's point of view that obama did was obama really destroyed the
anti-war left and there was a really strong anti-war left under george w bush that is easy
to forget about now wild i mean yeah i mean you're talking hundreds of thousands of people in the
streets like on the level of like the women's march or something like that was like like
That was the type of energy.
And it wasn't just focused at some stupid thing.
It was really focused at, like, we were lied into war.
Repeal the Patriot Act.
You know, things that really matter.
The Patriot Act, ultimately, part of what brought Donald Trump to his knees in his presidency, again, ironically.
So they were focused on that.
But what happened when Obama came in?
It all went away.
And I really think that a big part of this was that the liberal and left, I'm talking like the whole left half of the country, you know, like liberals and left all, you know, so much of their identity was about not being racist.
And in the best sense of that term, you know, not like this woke craziness of today, but the fact that we go, look, man, black people were treated horribly from the beginning of this country, and we're against racism and Jim Crow and racism, you know, all this stuff.
And when you had the first black president, who was also this charismatic guy who they wanted to love, to be against him, Was just very hard for a lot of liberals and left-wing people to do.
So it just kind of silenced them.
tim pool
Hey, Bill, remember when we put on that event called Ending Violence, Racism, and Authoritarianism, headlined by Daryl Davis, one of the most famous men to de-radicalize the plan?
And Antifa threatened to burn the theater down if we had those conversations?
dave smith
Well, yeah.
There you go.
tim pool
You can't allow that!
dave smith
But what happened, right, was that after that and then into the Occupy movement and what I think what my theory on it more or less is that a lot of very powerful interests started noticing that there was this kind of woke impulse and of course all the theory was in the background.
There was critical race theory and all this stuff in the background and they started noticing that this could really tear apart the unity on the left.
And then, on the heels of Occupy Wall Street, when, as you've noticed, it started tearing it apart, on its own, organically.
Like, the woke stuff started taking over, and people were like, oh, you're not even focusing on the 99% anymore, now you're focusing on, like, what divides us.
And then all of a sudden, you see, I mean, have you looked at any of those Nexus charts?
York Times mentions of racism, Washington Post mentions of racism. I mean mentions of
you know toxic masculinity and patriarchy. They flooded the game with all of this and
all of the sudden over the last 10 years you have this culture where every single giant
corporation every politician every major media outlet every movie in Hollywood everything
has been flooded with an obsession over race and gender and all of this stuff and to me
I think it's a CIA commercial the other day. I mean is this not our torturers are
Are we going to be talking about how inclusive they are?
You gotta see the game here.
But let me just say, the game is to distract from the issues that really matter, which is power, violence, authoritarianism, and to get everybody pitted against each other in this culture war.
And they have, we have to tip our hat to them because they have done an incredibly successful job.
They've done a good job at it.
tim pool
Can we get like a Ryan Long style skit where it's like Guantanamo Bay inmates in jumpsuits being like, you know, for the longest time, the torturers that were coming, they were white guys, they were white guys.
dave smith
I love Ryan, by the way.
He's great.
tim pool
And then he's playing the good music and then you have a guy be like, we feel like we're finally a part of history.
We're so excited.
And then like, you know, a black woman comes in and she's carrying like the rag and the bucket and like putting the gloves on and the guy's like bending over and he's like, it just feels good.
ian crossland
Just better now.
tim pool
It's just, it's just so much better.
dave smith
But that's, but that's what it is, right?
I mean, but it's, it's, if you think about it, it's a great deal.
I mean, if you're like, you know, JPMorgan Chase or Bank of America and they're, you know, basically your deal is, think about it, right?
You have like, uh, like 50,000 angry kids outside chanting, we are the 99% to these bankers.
And the deal you've been able to make the left ultimately is how about we send all of our white execs to diversity training?
And they're, I mean, they may not say this, but they're basically like deal.
unidentified
Yeah!
dave smith
Think we will go focus on all this other stuff and they didn't have to do anything else.
tim pool
Think about that.
Think about we are the 99%.
They were literally saying 99% of this country, which is all the white people, all the black people, all the Asian
people.
Now they're literally saying, yeah, but not the majority.
Like it is split the country.
dave smith
And they didn't even mean 99%.
It's even more than that, because what they really meant was 99.9%.
What they really meant was the people who own banks and hedge funds versus all the rest of us.
tim pool
I mean, no, no, hold on.
At the time, they were talking about Mark Zuckerberg.
This is the funniest thing, I'll tell you.
One of my favorite days, most memorable at Occupy Wall Street was.
They were being censored and suppressed.
And they were like, you know, the media won't cover this, so we have to print our own physical newspapers.
We have to use these other social networks to use live streaming to get our message out.
And they used Twitter and they used Facebook.
But it was funny because they were complaining about the top 1% and they literally put up a shrine to Steve Jobs when he died.
dave smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm like, what?
It was not a good person.
dave smith
But the point is that but this was the thing about Occupy Wall Street, right?
They didn't have all of the answers.
And there were these like hypocrisies and silly things like that.
But in essence, they were right.
Like the banks had just gotten bailed out.
And it was during the worst, you know, recession since the Great Depression.
You're gonna bail out these guys.
And then they kept their bonuses.
I mean, it was so blatantly corrupt.
And for them to call that out was right.
And they were focused at at least one of the power sources, like the big banks.
They were really focused at something that actually mattered.
And at the same time, or at least Around the same time, you had the Tea Party movement that was going on, where these right-wingers were coming out into the streets, and the right-wingers were saying, you know, the government is way too big, it spends way too much money, it's too corrupt, we're taxed too much, we borrow too much, the debt's out of control, this is a problem.
And the left-wingers are over here saying, you know, bailing out the banks is immoral, they're getting all of these profits, and none of the...
And it was almost like, I've said this before on my podcast, it was almost like they were holding two sides of the same pendant necklace and it was only a matter of time for the left and right to come together and be like, you know, these ideas don't contradict each other at all.
They actually go right in line with each other.
However, now it got all broken up.
tim pool
Occupy very quickly went woke.
It was only a matter of like a week or two when the facilitators, they called themselves, come in and started saying, Oh, white people aren't allowed to speak.
And it drove, you know, you know that there were libertarians and conservatives there.
I remember one of the, in the first week there was like a 60 year old couple with an American flag sitting there complaining about all the same things.
You know, the bank got bailed out, we're being corrupted and everyone was in agreement.
I mean, I met Luke down at Occupy the Wall Street.
bill ottman
It was Occupy the Fed.
Occupy the Fed was going alongside Occupy the Wall Street.
Those were all the Libertarians who supported similar ideas.
dave smith
Because this was the Ron Paul days.
So the Libertarians were trying to come in there and try to, like, teach.
They were trying to teach them a little bit, like, hey, if you hate the banks, there's this one bank that runs all the banks.
tim pool
They weren't trying to do anything.
They were there.
I was there in the first week.
They were there.
Luke Rutkowski was there.
Ron Paul guy.
I met him there.
We talked about these things.
Great conversation between libertarians, conservatives, and liberals.
And then, very quickly, the ultra-woke gay men took over the meetings and said white people weren't allowed to talk anymore.
And I remember this one white dude I knew, who was an anarchist, started crying and left.
And so these people started leaving and it was stripping away the core of the movement.
Now, many of these Occupy people who followed me or friended me at the time are championing the FBI's raid on Giuliani and Facebook and Twitter, massive multinational corporations, suppressing dissent.
They've never had principles, they were going along with the tide, and they were manipulated.
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Michael Brogan says Friday nights, baby.
Always the best guests.
Cheers, Dave.
Cheers, Timcast IRL team.
We are having a crew come out, hopefully next week, to help us clean out the garage skate park.
So if you've seen the vlog, we've got, or if you've seen my Instagram posts, we have this big skate park slash venue.
We call it the Grind Bar.
And we have some work that has to be done with clearing out this, like, really awful, gross insulation.
Because we still have a lot of work to do.
And after that, we're going to start We're trying to go as fast as we can.
Friday night live events, where we wouldn't just be having this show.
We'd actually swap over and have music and comedy.
And members are actually going to be able to buy tickets to come out.
And we'll do this, hopefully, every single week.
We gotta get things cleaned up.
Then once we do, we can get the computers installed, the cameras installed, and then we gotta do a major upgrade on this studio, so... It takes time, unfortunately, but that's the plan, man.
All right, Christian Jamgochian says, When I was 17 and a dumb high schooler, I wanted to be a cop.
Seven years later, I'm glad I didn't do it.
Also, here's $27 for the $2,700 you donated to the cat's surgery.
Good guy Tim over here keeping his promises.
Y'all rock.
Yeah, so yesterday, someone super chatted their cat needed surgery.
And I said, by the end of the show, this will be done.
And a lot of people did donate.
Still a large amount was left over, so I donated.
I actually wanted to start a non-profit a while ago.
We talked about it, where we basically pay for animal surgeries.
Because I know a lot of people who have had like a cat or a dog.
It's like two grand.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
To like save the animal's life.
And they're like, I just don't have that money.
So like, what are you gonna do?
Let your pet die?
I'm like, maybe we can set something up.
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see where we're at.
C. Hennessy says, Tim, you should get Lewis Rossman from YouTube on.
He's an NYC business owner who can't plead guilty or ask for a court date for a fine that was given on BS Unclear Law.
Could pay more in fines if he can't get in contact.
Right to repair.
Yeah, I saw this.
Apparently the website didn't work.
So he couldn't actually do anything.
Then they call him, like, you're in trouble.
And he's like, I can't even go on the website.
The website doesn't work.
Like, what am I supposed to do?
And there's no in-person because of COVID.
So it's just like New York's imploding.
Logan Brown says, how are you enjoying rural living?
You know, I guess it is rural.
I suppose it could be more rural, but it's the best.
ian crossland
Sub-rural.
tim pool
I walk outside onto my deck and I just, like, fire an arrow from my compound bow and hit a target.
And I can just, like, do that every morning, whenever I want.
It's fantastic.
ian crossland
It smells so good outside.
tim pool
Yeah, you go outside, fresh air.
Here's the crazy thing.
Y'all city folk drinking that nasty fluoride water, aren't you?
Not us.
We got our own water source.
ian crossland
Yes, fresh well water.
tim pool
And it's and we got a really great system.
We have like one of the highest quality, you know, home systems.
It's got the UV light and everything.
None of that gross fluoride water with, you know, copper and rusted pipes.
Yeah, rusted pipes.
Carter Felder says, have you read Spiral Dynamics by Don Beck and Christopher Cohen?
I haven't.
Have any of you?
No.
ian crossland
Sounds fascinating, though.
The Spiral Man.
tim pool
EVBBJones says, this super chat was paid for by unemployment benefits.
I could go back to work, but the entire state government is telling me not to.
They're literally paying me not to.
Give them what they paid for.
ian crossland
What if we supplanted unemployment with UBI so that you could still work?
You just still got the money, but then you don't lose it if you go to work.
tim pool
It doesn't work.
ian crossland
So unemployment doesn't work either.
unidentified
It would just be a less faultless system.
dave smith
Look, like I was saying before, the government is just giving you taxpayer money.
If you want to ask for help from the people who do work and are paying taxes, how about this radical idea?
Ask for the help.
And if they want to give you the help, they can.
And if people in your community go, oh, there's this guy who's trying to work, but he's out of work, we can pull some money together and help him.
But why do you get to, through government, force somebody who has to produce something and has to go to work to just give you money for doing nothing?
tim pool
That's a cooperation versus competition argument, but to Ian's point about why can't you supplement UBI.
Let's say somebody is a base... they make screws.
You know, you need screws so that you can build wood objects.
And the person who... the company that makes screws pays 15 bucks an hour.
So they start saying, everybody, we're looking to hire people, we pay 15 bucks an hour, and you'll probably end up making, you know, two grand per month.
The guy goes, I get a thousand bucks a month doing nothing.
So why should I do work and only get a little bit more?
And they say, well, we're supplementing your income.
So you'll get an extra, you'll have 3000 per month.
And they're like, but I can live off of a thousand and do nothing.
bill ottman
And I can do stuff in my free time and make money under the table.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And then the business says, okay, well then how much do we have to pay you to make you want to work here on top of a thousand you already get?
And they're like, I don't know.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Can we give you 3000 a month?
They go.
All right, then I'll have four grand.
All right, I'll take the job.
What's happening is, now the company has to raise the cost of all of the screws.
Then the contractor comes in and says, we've got to build a house.
Man, screws just went up, you know, 33%.
Why?
Because in order to incentivize people who don't need to work, you've got to pay them a lot more than you would pay someone who doesn't have any money.
ian crossland
Because of competition, instead of having to offer him three grand instead, you just find someone else that wanted to do it for two.
tim pool
Why would some... It's like you said earlier.
When the government pays someone $16 an hour, any business that is offering you a job is saying, I'll give you $1 an hour for full-time work.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's busted.
tim pool
So if someone's already getting $1,000, you're saying, I'll give you an additional $7 an hour to work full-time.
And most people are going to be like, I'd rather just sit on the beach.
dave smith
One other logistical problem that I see with the idea of UBI is that quite often proponents of it take for granted the idea that we've abolished all other forms of handouts.
Which any time, as a libertarian, any time I say, let's abolish the welfare state, it's like, oh well that's so impractical.
But for some reason, when you're proposing UBI, you just get to take it as a given that we've abolished all these other forms of welfare.
So if we have already done the work of abolishing all these other forms of welfare, then we've really changed the mentality in this country that people would be willing to accept that.
Because what happens when somebody, okay, so you get $1,000 a month or something like that, we've abolished all other forms of welfare.
A single mom not working with three kids.
She blew her $1,000.
Now she's destitute.
What about that?
Aren't we right back at the exact same place where we were before?
What are we going to do to take care of her?
ian crossland
If a mom was making $1,800 a month for whatever reason, and then you were going to supplant the $1,000, she'd only get $800 left.
She wouldn't lose it all, but she would only supplant us.
dave smith
up to the base. But then if that's the case, then we have all of the same incentive problems
that we had with the welfare state to begin with, except you could she's not getting anything.
ian crossland
You could reduce the initial. So like the first thousand, you don't have like you'd
get rid of unemployment. And then does it. You know what I'm saying? No. OK.
It doesn't work.
None of it works.
That's the point.
It's busted.
So let's try and plug a hole here.
tim pool
You can't.
Calm down.
You can't.
It's like being like, why can't I just eat ice cream for the rest of my life?
Now, I understand there's a problem with sugar and fats, but let's find out how to eat ice cream.
You can't do it.
ian crossland
If you're going to pay someone a thousand bucks a month, then why punish them for getting a job on top of that?
It doesn't make any sense to me.
dave smith
Oh, okay, I understand the point there, and there certainly is an incentive problem with telling someone that they lose their money if they start getting a job, but to the flip side of that, now you're giving taxpayer money to people who don't need it, now you're giving taxpayer money to people who, you know, You may not even be asking for it.
I mean, I don't know.
If we're going to talk about repealing the welfare state, let's just do what obviously makes sense, which is repeal it.
Why are we giving these blood-soaked monsters in Washington, D.C., control of our tax dollars to try to do the right thing with?
Look, over this last year, in America's greatest moment in need, like when we really were on our knees as a country, what did they do?
They robbed the American people and bailed out all of the biggest corporations in the country.
The banks got extended trillions in easy loans.
Every big corporation that was politically connected got hundreds of billions of dollars.
We got like, what, a crummy $1,200 going out?
Why are we trusting this mechanism, which is, we all know, all of us know, rotten to the core, filled with corrupt people.
If either people are good enough to take care of those who are in need, Or they're not, and if they're not, they're certainly not good enough to vote in blood-soaked monsters who are then going to take care of the people in need.
tim pool
There's one possibility too, right?
And it's that if the government gave everybody a thousand bucks a month from taxpayers, you know, everyone, you know, pays taxes, they likely would not be able to do that because I think it would exceed the GDP or it would just be a tremendous strain, so they'd probably print or borrow.
But let's say everyone's still desperate for work because $1,000 a month doesn't cut it.
Now you're gonna see businesses being like, we only pay $5 an hour.
Take it or leave it.
You're already getting $1,000 from the government, you don't need anything from us.
Sorry, that's it.
ian crossland
You could reduce minimum wage, yeah.
tim pool
Well, or what would happen is hyperinflation from UBI would result in stagnant minimum wage.
The left would then demand the minimum wage go up, and it would just be constant command economy.
It just doesn't work.
It makes little sense.
It makes no sense.
When I say little, I get it.
You know, a child says, why don't we just, like, give people money so they can have food?
Because, like, we have so much food.
It's like, bro, because the economy doesn't work that way.
What the dollar represents right now is a few things.
Arguably, it represents the energy required for labor.
So it could represent petroleum, the petrodollar.
But in terms of labor in the United States, we have a very service sector-based economy.
The dollar, the energy behind it is what people are willing, how much labor people are willing to exchange for labor.
How much does a petroleum engineer, how much time do they want to work in order to have someone serve them a cheeseburger at a restaurant?
They probably don't value that, that a whole lot.
In fact, we can get kiosks to do it.
So the issue is when we talk about just raising minimum wages or giving people money, you will just increase the cost of the lowest level of labor that people don't respect as it is.
Doctors are like, why should- So there's this meme that goes around, where it's a guy like, I'm an electrical engineer, and when I hear that fast food workers want to make the same amount as me, I say, congratulations, we all deserve a living wage.
And it's the stupidest argument, because an electrical engineer, who's probably not making all that much, you know, relative, you know, to other jobs, doesn't want to have to work for five hours to be able to buy a chicken dinner.
These people are saying, I work hard, I've established myself in my career, I should be able to provide for my family, and by working harder, gain more to give my family a better life.
That means, after 10 years of training and being an apprentice, now I'm a journeyman, now I'm a master, I'm making more money, and somebody is going to spend the same amount of time in a fast food restaurant to earn the same thing they do, Now the argument of the left is, but everyone deserves a living wage.
The problem then is, people will say, why work hard to become a specialist or master if we're only going to get access to the same things?
Again, the left argument is that people will be fulfilled by taking these jobs.
That's true for some people, but not true for everybody.
And I always ask my lefty friends this, how many people do you know want to be famous musicians?
And they're like, oh, a ton.
How many of them are good enough to actually do it?
None of them.
And how many of them, if you gave them money, would quit their jobs and just play garbage music outside trying to be a rock star?
Probably all of them.
Yeah.
dave smith
And then on the flip side of that, right, like, you know, there are these jobs, like, being a garbage man usually pays, like, fairly decently because, you know, no one really wants to do that.
But the only way to entice people into it is to say, well, look, you can make 80k a year or something like that.
bill ottman
And in 10 years, garbage trucks will be AI.
And the primary argument of the smartest people who propose UBI is AI.
That's what they're saying.
That's why billionaires support it.
That's the Hunger Games.
tim pool
Because then you have the richest people getting free resources from those who are still forced to work.
ian crossland
Working hard doesn't make you rich in this world.
AI produces jobs.
dave smith
But working hard shouldn't make you rich.
I mean, I could go outside and lift a boulder over my head and drop it for 12 hours in a row and I'm working really, really hard.
I shouldn't get rich from that because I'm not providing any value to anyone else.
tim pool
If it's attached to a gravity generator, Well, okay, now we're talking.
dave smith
But I would just say, in the argument, and I think this is actually the most flawed argument for UBI, which is one of the arguments that you just brought up.
No, I know you're not making it, you're just saying that this is one of the arguments, which is basically that, well, technological developments are going to take away all of the jobs that exist now, and so we have to replace them with something.
The major, major flaw in that argument is that if you looked at What technological advancements have already taken away in terms of jobs, they're almost all gone.
I mean, if you look at the jobs from 1890, I mean, what percentage of society was in agricultural work compared to now?
It's probably 80% to 3% or something like that.
tim pool
To be fair, you know, the city used to have poop departments to clean up horse poop.
dave smith
Well, that's right.
tim pool
San Francisco is bringing them back.
dave smith
But the point is that if you're going to say that, if somebody in the year 1890 was like, oh my God, these automobiles are coming in and this is going to put out the horse and buggy driver out of work, you know, if you were to sit down and explain to them, like, and they said, well, what jobs are people going to do?
And you were like, well, how about graphic design?
And how about audio engineer?
This would be impossible to explain to somebody, you know, 130 years ago.
But the point is that in the future, we won't know what the jobs are going to be, that this technology will create lots of new jobs.
tim pool
The problem is you can't take a petroleum engineer who is, you know, 50 who still needs to work and be like, go learn to code.
They're gonna be like, I can't learn to do that.
Are you nuts?
So that means my specialty, which becomes obsolete.
bill ottman
So this is a hole in the system that No, but there still are peripheral jobs related to
the I.S. that don't they don't require knowledge.
dave smith
Well, how to code. Well, look, it's a it's a hole in the system in a sense.
I mean, it's like this is part of like it's creative destruction. Right. So if you owned a Kodak store
when digital cameras came out.
Like, I'm not denying that that really sucked for you.
I mean, there's, like, there are people who, like, you know, was like, oh, I make typewriters, and that sucks that computers came out.
But it also, it doesn't destroy the economy.
Like, there were lots more jobs created by it.
tim pool
I want you to imagine something.
Everyone listening right now.
The year is, you know, 1999.
Or maybe, no, no, it's 2004.
I don't know what year.
And there is a young man.
He's 23 and he's wearing a blue polo shirt.
And he's got a tear, a single tear, coming from his left eye.
Is he wearing a beanie?
dave smith
Is this a story of you?
tim pool
As the regional manager for Blockbuster enters his store, puts his hand on his shoulder and says, son, it's over.
And he's been working there for years.
It's his passion.
Everyone in the neighborhood knew him.
He was smiling, Jim.
They'd come in and be like, what's the movies today, Jim?
And he'd be like, oh, let me show you the new releases with a smile on his face for years.
This young man.
And then one day they came in and said, the dream has come to an end.
And then all that's left now is this old decaying building with this weird ticket logo, and it's just a rotting decay.
And Jim shows up now, and he's now in his 40s, and he looks there, and he stands across the street with a beer gut, his hair's thinning and gone.
You know, his kids are walking past him, and they're like, come on, Dad!
And he goes, just a second.
And he looks across the street at the old blockbuster.
And he raises his left hand.
And then he just remembers.
ian crossland
If that guy could have pushed a button and stopped Netflix, he may have, which terrifies me, because that indicates an incentive to stop or slow innovation.
dave smith
That's why you don't want workers to have control over things like this.
What you just mentioned is the great flaw in democratic socialism, is that if you have, like, workers having control over innovation, yeah, they're gonna vote against it.
tim pool
Okay, so let's go back.
Okay, so he's raising his left hand, looking across at the blockbuster, And then he scowls.
He's angry.
We're going home, kids.
And then he works tirelessly in his basement, welding.
And his kids are like, Dad, what are you doing?
Not now!
And his wife is like, it's been weeks.
He's not showering.
What's happening?
And then finally in his basement, he goes, I've done it.
And he hits a giant red button and opens up a time vortex.
And he goes back in time and he finds the founder of Netflix and he's shaking and holding the gun.
And he's like, you took everything from me!
And Netflix guy goes, I don't even know you!
And that's the story of how the alternate timeline where Blockbuster never, never went out of business.
dave smith
I would watch that movie if it was sold at Blockbuster, but only there.
But just the point, the goal isn't just jobs.
You know what I mean?
Like the goal is prosperity.
The goal is more productivity in a higher productive capacity.
I mean, if we were, this is an old like Frederick Bastiat example.
I forget exactly how it goes, but if the sun is putting the candle makers out a bit, like, you know, the candle makers could sell a lot more.
More if we didn't have this sun the whole time.
But if you could just imagine, right?
Let's say oxygen, which is something we all need to live, but we don't think about, and it's not scarce, so we just have it.
Imagine we all had to work five hours a day for oxygen.
Like, some type of physical work had to be done so that there was enough for us to breathe.
Well, we would have way more jobs, but we would also be way poorer because we'd be working for something that we already have for free now.
So the goal is to produce more and more with less and less.
unidentified
Yeah, the job economy is a Federal Reserve concept.
tim pool
We got a super chat from Rad No.
unidentified
2.
tim pool
He says, I work a union gig and we are desperate for help.
Starting at $100k per year with benefits and people would rather sit on their butts and get free money.
Also, Dave Smith for president.
Hey, there you go.
dave smith
Thinking about it.
ian crossland
I'm into it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh yeah, aren't you running or something, is it?
dave smith
I said I'm thinking about running on the Libertarian Party for 2024.
Yeah, because they need a real... Well listen, you know, you brought it up I think last time I was here, and I know you brought it up before, and you're right to, that meme of Libertarian ideas versus Libertarian candidates, but the truth is there's no reason for it to be like that, and there have been great Libertarian candidates before.
Ron Paul was that guy, Harry Brown was that guy, and you know, there's just a lot of the candidates don't really know how to talk about Liberty.
And if no one else will do it good, then I'll do it.
tim pool
That is false!
John, you are incorrect.
Tim, you can't quit and be approved for unemployment.
There's an investigation process that does take place, and you need to be fired or laid
off to get approved.
So don't quit, people.
You will be denied.
That is false.
John, you are incorrect.
You need a reason.
So you can work at a job and quit and still get unemployment so long as you quit for a
valid reason.
Namely, uh, you were being harassed.
Your boss, you know, uh, did something inappropriate.
You can say, I felt threatened at work and I didn't know how to deal with it because I felt- I felt like there was going to be retaliation.
And they might deny you.
They might be like, that's not a good enough reason.
But you can quit.
You just need a real reason.
And that's the thing.
A lot of people do.
They'll file a complaint at work and be like, this person's making me feel unsafe.
Then a week later, they'll come back and say, I still feel unsafe.
There's no way to resolve someone saying something like, I feel unsafe and this person's doing it.
And then when the business can't do anything about your fake problem, you quit and you say, yeah, I quit because they were threatening me and they couldn't do anything about it.
And they'll be like, okay.
Also, if you are fired for cause, you also might not be able to get unemployment.
So, like, if you do something inappropriate and it's documented and then get fired and then say, I want unemployment, they might be like, yeah, well, like, you were streaking through the halls of the business, you don't get unemployment.
It's just about whether it's your fault or not.
So you can quit.
Dakota Smith says, just bought the To The Moon shirt.
Long time viewer.
Keep up the struggle.
Appreciate it.
That's right!
If you go to TimCast.com, click the store.
We have this amazing new Doge shirt.
It's a Sheba holding cash, and it says To The Moon, and there's coins everywhere.
And that one's probably going to be up for a while.
I love that one.
It's great.
All right, let's see.
Let's get some new superchats.
Uh-oh.
Slenzer says- Slenzer.
Dave, Malice may be your press secretary, but Tim Pool is chief of staff all day.
Ian can tag along and lives as communications director to keep Malice on a leash.
I don't know about chief of staff.
I don't know what- that sounds- that sounds like something I would do.
dave smith
I feel like we could find a more creative job for you.
Chief of Staff sounds boring.
You're a fun guy.
bill ottman
Head up intelligence or something.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like Director of National Intelligence.
dave smith
Yeah, there you go.
You couldn't be worse than the previous ones.
tim pool
I'd be much too libertarian.
I'd be like...
dave smith
That's what we're looking for here.
tim pool
I'd just be releasing the documents.
Like the head of the CIA would walk in and be like, alright, we got some very serious intel and they hand me the report.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Let me tweet this real quick.
What are you doing?
I'm just tweeting out this to the public so they can see what's going on.
dave smith
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm gonna get so many likes on this.
tim pool
The public has a right to know!
It's like... Yeah, no, I don't know, man.
I understand there's a real need for confidentiality, classified stuff, and war and conflict.
That's why I don't want to go anywhere near that stuff.
All right, Ian Mitchell says, with Ethereum having moved away from proof-of-work, miners and those interested in mining should look into Vertcoin.
The new VertHash algorithm is ASIC, resistant, and very GPU-friendly.
Vertcoin's one-click miner makes it a great intro to mining.
Everybody's got a new coin.
Mark Jensen says, the ATF just posted a proposed rule change redefining what a firearm is.
Would make millions of gun owners felons overnight.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Oh, there you go.
Chris Demond says, Ian took your advice last AM, or took your advice, and I'm starting a new political party, the Southern Secessionist Syndicate Party.
Check us out.
I don't know what that is.
dave smith
Yeah, something about Southern Secessionists just has a little bit of a bad connotation.
ian crossland
I don't remember advising that either.
dave smith
I mean, I'm all for it, but it's just, it has this historical context.
ian crossland
If there's no such thing as a peaceful divorce, keep that in mind.
The federal government will blockade any port it has to.
dave smith
Well, I don't know.
Look at the Soviet Union.
They broke up.
ian crossland
They invaded Afghanistan, I think, and destroyed their economy.
dave smith
That was before they broke up.
ian crossland
Yeah.
dave smith
And then they broke up.
ian crossland
Too bad.
I like that band.
tim pool
Wraith Customs Firearms says, the financial advice thing started because someone owning stock A would say, buy stock A, get others to buy it to spike value, then dump it.
Get rich while others get screwed.
Love the show.
Shout out to my small business, Wraith Customs Firearms dot com.
Hey, thanks for the super chat.
Paul Mikesner says, Tim, I'd like to invite you and the crew to the IVE quadruple 8 range day.
Shoot exotics full autos for free.
Meet the majority of gun YouTube channels.
Prez of GOA, FPC, Industry Peeps.
Wanted to invite you three years ago, but was on Nolan's Tenet.
Canceled last year.
I'll email you at midnight.
Uh, is it near where we're at?
Cause that sounds great.
Can we film it?
That'd be fun.
Some, uh, belt-fed full auto or something?
DrDoctor says, UBI as a concept is probably more 25 years out unless we have quick advancement in automation and robotics and it's cost-effective versus human labor.
As a former ATC in the Army, I watched more and more automation, even in my field, plus advanced drones.
Look into TAIS.
I've been talking about this stuff for decades.
I was like a teenager.
I was like 16.
And I felt there's a serious problem that you could dedicate your life to your country, to your community, working hard to be the master at a certain job, and when it becomes obsolete, we just kick you out.
It's like, sorry, you can't have access to goods now because, through no fault of your own, technology advanced, which creates a problem.
However, Luddites aren't good either, just saying, like, the horse and buggy industry is being destroyed by Big Otto.
So it's a challenge.
Unfortunately, the problem with UBI is that some people would not work while others work extremely hard.
And what do you think is going to happen when rural farmers are busting their asses and people in the city are doing nothing?
Eventually going to be like, I am done being your servant and working hard so that you get free stuff.
dave smith
Well, like I was saying before, I would just say that the concept of UBI, in essence, already exists.
Like, the idea that, well, we have this starting point that no one falls behind.
I mean, like... It's a rebrand.
Right.
Like, talk to someone in Central Africa, compare our life to that.
We have that.
We live with that already.
So the only question that's important is what is going to lift this whole tide up more and more.
And so I think that, honestly, like, yeah, you could look at the guy who loses his job because technology changes.
But what about the 50 guys who gained a job when the technology changed?
The question is, what makes us richer and richer and richer?
And I don't think that that's government handouts.
ian crossland
I think it was Darwin said, it's not the smartest of the species that survives, but the one that's the most adaptable to change.
dave smith
Right.
ian crossland
And you can see that in automation.
tim pool
Yep.
bill ottman
And people are figuring out how to be more independently creative and generate financial freedom on their own.
I mean, that's what you gotta do.
dave smith
More than ever.
tim pool
This is a good one.
Vash Spector says, Massive gas shortage is due to lack of truck drivers to deliver fuel.
Market is down 300,000 drivers and high 90% turnover.
I drive 70 hours a week.
I would do more if the government would let us.
dave smith
Wow.
tim pool
There you go.
$12.50 a week if you join.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So I'm glad I got an electric car.
I bought a Tesla.
Because I'm like, I don't want to sit around and wait for the next gas shortage.
Like, I wasn't around Ford in the 80s.
I guess it was a gas shortage.
People remember it, I guess.
I remember hearing stories about people waiting in line.
It was like odds and even license plate numbers to try and get gas on certain days.
ian crossland
I saw one in New York during Hurricane Sandy.
Were you guys there?
tim pool
Oh yeah, dude.
ian crossland
That was crazy.
Man, that was a couple weird couple days.
tim pool
People waiting all day to fill up their tank one time.
dave smith
I was literally, Hurricane Sandy was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in my life being in midtown Manhattan and it's like country black.
You know, like you can't see your hand in front of your face and you're walking around with flashlights and stuff.
Did a stand-up show by Candlelight.
It was wacky.
tim pool
Tyler Adams says, hey Tim, one person I'd love to be on the show would be Charles Hoskinson of the Cardano Foundation.
He's got his own YouTube channel.
He's politically intellectual and the creator of Cardano, co-creator of Ethereum.
His location is in Colorado and worth the interview.
Interesting.
ian crossland
Don't you know Hoskinson?
tim pool
Full disclosure, I do have Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Cardano.
We talked about this the other day.
I also have Dogecoin.
lydia smith
It's at 69 cents now.
.69, whatever it is.
tim pool
Yeah, but what, is everyone just gonna sell once it gets to a dollar or something?
ian crossland
After Saturday when Elon talks about it, there's gonna be a huge dump.
unidentified
That's why everyone's buying right now.
ian crossland
There's a video of him I saw yesterday where he was like, Doge is a joke, invest responsibly, and I would never tell anyone to invest their fortune in this.
tim pool
Kuro Teran says, regarding a video you posted earlier in the day, I'm from Wisconsin.
We have castle doctrine here, so the arrest of the man for conducting a show of force when rioters threatened him was a wrongful arrest, dare I say illegal.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
But does that mean the police broke the law and arrested a homeowner who was being threatened by a raucous crowd?
That doesn't sound like something the police would do.
They wouldn't arrest the law-abiding citizen in his own home who was defending himself from a group of people who had previously been in a house that was set on fire.
Oh, that'd be so strange.
Weird.
It's almost as if the police are taking the side of the rioters because, like I said last year, the police will show up, see a group of rioters and a homeowner and be like, it's easier to arrest one person in their home than it is to deal with 60 violent people.
dave smith
And that they're susceptible to political pressure.
And that when it comes to it, like, there are a lot of cops, right?
A lot of cops are not sympathetic to these left-wing rioters.
That's not what police are.
But they know their higher-ups are going to get them in trouble.
They might be on the news.
They might be on this.
And so they just go with what's easier.
And there's no reason to suspect.
I mean, just look at the 20th century.
Do you think that the enforcement arm of the state is not willing To just kind of do what is expedient, even at the violation of human rights?
I mean, we're not different creatures than the Russians or the Germans or any of them.
It's the same structure.
It's a state and an armed agent of the state enforcing the rules.
tim pool
Bear in mind says I got laid off and was making $9.50 a week from unemployment.
And my dad, who didn't get laid off, was only making $800 for 60 hours.
He wasn't happy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's why UBI doesn't work.
Because the people who still have to work because humans are still needed for labor are going to revolt against those in the capital who aren't working but are getting access to their resources.
Imagine if every day... Actually, this is true.
Imagine if every day you built a birdhouse and the government came and just took half your birdhouses away and gave it to people who weren't working.
Hey, that's kind of happening today, isn't it?
ian crossland
No, no, it'd be like if you're building a birdhouse and they came and gave you birdhouse parts that you didn't need as they were giving everyone else birdhouse parts.
dave smith
No, but see, the flaw in that logic is thinking that there is this unlimited supply of birdhouse parts.
They have to be made.
So the idea is like if somebody's working their tail off and making $2,000 a week for it, and then somebody else does nothing and gets $1,000 a week for it, that is going to build resentment from the people who are producing the wealth.
tim pool
It's this simple, bro.
Imagine you pay rent to live in a house and some dude's sleeping on your couch and he doesn't work and he's eating all your food.
ian crossland
He better be paying me half of his UBI.
tim pool
He's not paying you anything.
ian crossland
He better be if he's living in my house.
tim pool
This is what UBI is.
It's putting a layabout on your couch who isn't working but is getting a portion of your stuff.
If you are working every day to make something of value for society, and there is someone who is not doing anything, that money has to come from somewhere.
And if they can't take it from you because you'll freak out, they will print money devaluing your money and your resources, giving it to this person, and then shows up and says, hey Ian, I'll give you a hundred bucks of... Imagine this.
You're like, you better give me half your UBI if you're living in my house.
And he laughs and goes, it's your money anyway, I don't care.
The money came from your labor.
Sure, you can have half of it.
I'll take your stuff.
You're still losing your stuff to a layabout.
ian crossland
No, in that situation I'd be making more than I was losing.
In that situation.
I think the problem is that they're printing money.
The Federal Reserve can just endlessly print money.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Where do you think they're going to get the money from UBI for?
ian crossland
From printing endless money from the Federal Reserve?
Well, they want to tax corporations.
tim pool
AOC said we should be deficit spending.
ian crossland
I think Andrew Yang said that we need to tax corporations for a value-added tax.
dave smith
I just don't understand how we can even talk about taxing corporations.
Just stop giving them taxpayer money.
Can we work on that first?
Once we achieve that, then maybe I'll entertain the conversation about whether we're going to then take their money back.
You know, it's like if you're talking about giving someone a blood transfusion, but you're actively draining blood from them.
Like, okay, could you stop doing that first?
They used to do that.
Yeah, I know, but that's what we're doing right now.
We're taxing working people and giving that money to corporations, and then having these abstract conversations about whether the corporations are paying their fair share.
How about they just have to survive or fail on their own, at least as a starting point?
ian crossland
Dude, we're paying $20 trillion back to Fannie and Freddie Mac over 20 years or something.
$20 trillion?
tim pool
All right, Madison McAfee says, I was wrongfully arrested to an FTA for a court case I went to for a noise violation and even got the charge dropped, but they didn't file it.
36 hours in DeKalb County Jail minus $1,000 was told I couldn't sue because they'd claim negligence.
That's justice system.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yep.
dave smith
That's right.
tim pool
Aiden B. Dunyon says, Hey Tim, love the show and the guests you have here in Oklahoma.
They banned Critical Theory, and now the Dems are trying to argue that banning it violates their First Amendment rights.
Let me just make something clear.
The First Amendment doesn't protect the state's rights to speak.
It protects the people's right to speak, and it protects their right to speak from the government, from the state.
I think it's funny that these schools are like, this is a free speech issue.
We don't have to force the state to say anything.
We can tell the state they're not allowed to speak.
The people can speak.
dave smith
Well, that's like, I mean, saying, like, if you banned a public school from teaching that, you know, two plus two equals five or prayer, it's like whatever you want to call it.
I mean, like, no, you have every, you know, it's reasonable to set standards.
tim pool
Isn't it funny how they're like, they want to restrict prayer in schools.
And now they're acting like we should be able to restrict the things like we couldn't restrict speech in schools.
Like, prayer is protected under the First Amendment.
dave smith
But by the way, critical race theory is just their prayer.
tim pool
Exactly.
dave smith
You know what I mean?
It's their religion.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
A. Skidlov says, learned about Dave through comedy and now I'd vote for him for president.
Smith-Gabbard 2024 with Malice as press secretary.
Let's go.
ian crossland
Alex Jones wants to get involved too.
tim pool
Can I, is there, is there an amount of money I have to earn and spend to make Michael Malice the press secretary?
dave smith
No, that's, this is a, we worked this out already.
He said he will do it for one Bitcoin a month.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I don't mean to pay a salary.
I mean, how do we actually get an administration to win that results in a malice prosecutory?
dave smith
That's going to cost more than a Bitcoin.
tim pool
A billion dollars.
That's going to be that's going to be more because you're fighting the establishment.
So you'd need like 10 billion.
ian crossland
But it's only what 10 billion could buy you, which is airtime.
dave smith
Listen to this.
What it's going to start as is Michael Malice just being the communication director of a campaign, which will be fun enough on its own.
Just him just wrecking everybody.
tim pool
You have to run for the Libertarian Party because then you would actually be getting press coverage and Michael Malice would be the communications director.
dave smith
Well, this is the plan.
This is the plan, sir.
But then you told me I have to.
tim pool
You're not officially running or anything, right?
unidentified
As a Libertarian, I can't do it now.
dave smith
No, I am seriously considering it and I'll tell you, if I do it, it's gonna be an epic campaign.
It's gonna be something that there won't have been a Libertarian run like this since Ron Paul because I will utilize everyone.
Michael Malice, Like you, like everybody who's good at what they do will be doing it.
And it's not, it's not about like, my thing isn't like, oh, I want to achieve political power and then use it for this or that.
The whole point is to just really spread a message.
And like you, like you always say, like the libertarian message is great.
And that's what I think needs to be out there and to call out all these power brokers for their hypocrisy.
tim pool
There's contradictory libertarian messages, you know what I mean?
There are pro-borders and anti-borders libertarians.
Because people disagree on the extent to what libertarian really means, I guess.
dave smith
Well, OK, sure, there are people who disagree on that.
But the major problem, even with the border crisis, is all government created.
I mean, the whole thing is like, OK, so we have a war on drugs.
So then there's these people smuggling all these drugs.
And then we have a welfare state that incentivizes all of these people in there.
We subsidize that.
Then we subsidize the war against immigrants.
Then we have easy birthright citizenship, which subsidizes people coming in.
The whole thing is a government mess to begin with.
So I'm with you.
I wouldn't like suggest like Yep.
right now under current conditions we just have open borders but I would recognize that
the whole thing is a government mess to begin with.
And the problem is always the government.
The problem is always the rulers.
tim pool
It's kind of like every time they plug a hole another hole bursts out and they keep trying
to just you know maybe just be like nah you need to let things chill.
ian crossland
Yeah, we need a new system, like a decentralized social network system that is government-backed.
We can build floating islands with fusion power.
I mean, the tech is there.
tim pool
Ian's right, we need a decentralized, more like automatic system of border security.
I'm thinking like auto-defense turret, 50 BMG full-auto.
I'm kidding.
dave smith
Well, I was, look, I was saying the last time I was on this show, I really believe this, that decentralization, some type of scaling back of the power of the federal government is like, just in a medical sense, the only thing that could save this country.
Because we are on a suicide mission right now.
And the culture war and all of this is related to it.
It's everyone jockeying for a position for who controls the federal government.
This is why it spikes every four years when it's your president or my president's going to win.
The debt is out of control.
The money printing is out of control.
We're obviously going off the cliff.
And the only answer here is to scale that.
Well, that's a pretty solid start.
Scale this thing back more local control more community control less federal
control and that's the only thing that can say you can go to apps where people
ian crossland
can choose where their tax dollars go things all right we got super chat from
tim pool
dr. doctor he says what I'm saying I think means seeing as it is what I'm
saying is as an air traffic controller with a which is a highly complex
situationally aware job it was becoming more and more automated
If that kind of work is becoming automated, even coding is getting closer to being more automated and needing less coders.
Coding language, like could you imagine, what's the standard code people use, like basic?
Or binary, I suppose.
Could you imagine like hard coding something and just binary?
No, we make coding languages that basically simplify the process and become easier and easier.
ian crossland
C-sharp.
Have you seen, in your experience with Mines, any advancements in AI writing the code?
bill ottman
Oh, there was a new AI programming language that could generate programs automatically that MIT just put out, but Yeah, I mean, that's happening.
Code that creates code.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it's just... You're making more advanced code.
So it simplifies to where... Look at website development.
When I started making websites, I was doing actual HTML and things like that, right?
Way back in the day.
And I started animating in Flash, and I was like, oh, this is great.
Now we're at a point where it's like you drag and drop things.
You know?
It's like, element, element, element, and then boop.
Just drag and drop.
dave smith
My favorite thing is when some of these geniuses will come out and they're like, OK, this AI thing is really dangerous.
But then they just go back to working on the AI after that.
It's like we can't even control it.
We're like, yeah, all right, this might be a problem, but I'm going to keep doing it.
ian crossland
Ethical question about AI.
If you make the software code free for the AI so you know what it's doing, you can watch its software progress.
Can you make it so it doesn't make itself proprietary?
Or is AI just in general can just disregard its own license?
bill ottman
AI is not so self knowledgeable that it can dictate its own accessibility to humans.
I think that people...
I think that AI is a lot more... There are risks, but it's not like this alien force of higher intelligence that's attacking us right now.
I mean, we have the capability to control it.
tim pool
There you go.
People think AI is going to be like Skynet and the Terminators.
They think it's going to be like Ultron.
In order to end all war, humans must be wiped out.
In actuality, what's going to happen is, The A.I.
If you turn on an AI to like manage the economy, all of a sudden one day you'd wake up and there
would be no shirts, no shoes, a ridiculous amount of socks, and tons of corn everywhere.
And you'd be like, wait, how do we get to the point?
dave smith
The AI is a communist?
tim pool
No, because the AI would, isn't going to do what you think it's going to do.
It would take probably millions upon millions of iterations and simulations to get to the point where it functions properly.
And even then, after, you know, 10 billion calculations, it for some reason finds we've straight, you know, let me slow down.
Here's what I explain to people in the future.
We have an AI-regulated economy.
You wake up, you're like, time to go to work.
You look at your phone, and it gives you an address.
You show up, and there's like a jagged piece of metal on top of a box.
You pick it up, and your phone says, give it to this guy.
You walk over to some guy, you give it to him.
And then he says, thank you, and he walks away.
And then, bloom!
A thousand dollars in your bank account.
And you're like, I have no idea what I just did or why.
Because the A.I.
would be creating jobs you wouldn't understand or even think of, and then you wouldn't even know what was going on.
And that's assuming the A.I.
is actually working in a way to streamline the process.
The A.I.
can only do what its essentially base program tells it to do, so it might be like, corn is food, corn is cheap, corn takes less energy than other forms of energy, make corn.
And then one day you go to the store, there's no beef, there's just a bunch of corn.
And you're like, uh, maybe this A.I.
thing isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing.
The problem then is, if that happens over the period of a few generations, people won't realize, and then you'll end up in a future where there's just only corn and other weird products and people are eating, like, protein cubes.
Because the AI isn't going to do what you want it to do.
And here's the best example.
YouTube created an algorithm for finding the best content.
They said, what do people like?
They love shows that are long, like Game of Thrones.
So we need something that has the right keywords in it, that's long-form content, and appeals to a wide audience.
So they create this algorithm.
What happened?
People started cranking out videos of Hitler and the Incredible Hulk singing nursery rhymes together with this weird crappy CGI because it was generating more views.
Those weren't specifically the videos that were the result of the 10-minute algorithm, but it was because of babies.
So the YouTube algorithm was like, Tons of, you know, we get way, the largest percentage of views come from this one area.
They seem to like these themes, promote these videos.
So then people started auto-generating videos, and the ones that worked on YouTube were insane mishmash of garbage nonsense that made no sense.
The Hulk in a bikini with a Hitler, but Hitler's actually got boobs, and it's doing, I'm not kidding, it's a real video.
And there were thousands upon thousands of them.
So the human thought, people like these things.
Program it in.
And then the AI over time started developing a taste for the most insane nonsense.
dave smith
And then so the humans who were making those videos were gaming the system.
So the humans were smarter than the AI and were able to game.
tim pool
No, no, no.
All they knew was this is what was getting traffic.
dave smith
No, but I'm saying the people who were making those videos with the Hitler with boobs on them and stuff like that, they were gaming the AI system.
unidentified
Seriously?
dave smith
They figured out how to do it.
tim pool
Go on YouTube and search Finger Family Hitler and you will see this video.
It's a woman's body with a bikini with Hitler's head with the Incredible Hulk and he's doing Tai Chi and it's singing a nursery rhyme that was recorded by some dude in India into a microphone from the 80s.
I mean it, 100%.
And this has been a problem for a long time.
dave smith
A lot of views?
tim pool
This particular video has like 30 or 40,000, but there was a period... Still more than it deserves.
There was a period where there were hundreds of millions of these videos because there was a big problem where there was a trend of videos that were like little kids getting injections and urinating at each other because that's what was getting traffic.
So because of that, That's what YouTube was promoting.
People made more and more and more of it, which created a feedback loop.
The more they made, the more views it got, the more it refined into a point where insane stuff dominated YouTube and people were watching this stuff.
The same thing is true of politics.
So social media creates an algorithm saying, show us the things that get the most watch time and have the most keywords.
And what happened was intersectional feminism.
So I've explained this before, right?
If an article about racism gets X views, and an article about sexism gets Y views, an article about racism and sexism gets X plus Y views, and in some instances it gets XY views, so multiplication, and so YouTube starts promoting whatever has the most keywords in it.
So when someone would write an article being like, Democratic trans women of color fighting with Republican alt-right neo-Nazis is the fight of our generation, it would get ridiculous amount of clicks, because the algorithm would be like, look at all these keywords!
Feed it out to all of these people and they would see it.
That made people go insane.
So Facebook was dominated absolutely by police brutality videos because it got so much engagement.
Rage, justice, people would share it being like, I must do something.
Then we ended up with the past 10 years of intersectionality because BuzzFeed, Huffington Post, Vox, Mike all realized that's how you would make money.
That's what people wanted.
The people didn't really want that content.
They were just being fed it by the algorithms on these social networks.
So, long story short, we think the AI will be Skynet?
Nah, it's just gonna scream in your face, Nazi, 50 billion times.
ian crossland
It's possible that that was a machine learning algorithm instead of an artificial intelligence.
tim pool
Right, right, I understand the difference.
ian crossland
So I'd love to get an AI specialist on here someday to go deep into that.
Like, the difference between machine learning and AI.
tim pool
Right, right.
They're not the same thing, right.
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Do you want to shout anything out?
Dave.
dave smith
Oh, my podcast is a part of the problem, and I will, if you're interested in my run for president, I will be speaking at the Libertarian Party Mises Caucus event in Pittsburgh on May 14th next week.
Come out, check us out there.
The Mises Caucus, Libertarian Party, that's all.
bill ottman
Hey, yeah, hit me up.
Mines.com slash OPMAN.
O-T-T-M-A-N.
Hit me up.
Let's do this.
ian crossland
Yo, I'm so ready.
I just wish we could have talked more about the Fed, the Federal Reserve, and the Bank of International Settlements.
dave smith
Dude, we could talk about this a lot more, man.
ian crossland
Let's go very deep.
dave smith
We'll do it.
ian crossland
And also, I think there's a new mug.
Is that true?
Is the Don't Fight an Alligator Underwater mug... I believe that is up, actually.
It may actually be.
In addition to our Shibu Inu to the Moon shirt, there is a... That's right!
tim pool
The Ian Crosland Don't Fight an Alligator Underwater mug is also available.
I didn't know if it was going to post.
ian crossland
You want to bring them onto land so that you can fight them on your terms.
You really don't want to fight an alligator.
tim pool
This is great art, by the way.
ian crossland
Fantastic art.
Thank you guys so much.
IanCrosland.net.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, we were talking about not getting dragged into these troll arguments where like someone will argue on Twitter.
And then as soon as you counter their argument, they'll change the subject.
And then Ian just goes, yeah, don't fight an alligator underwater.
And I was like, That was very profound.
dave smith
That's a great way to put it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
dave smith
That is, yes.
tim pool
I'm on land.
dave smith
I have gotten dragged into way too many of those arguments.
unidentified
Yep.
dave smith
Trying very much to stop.
tim pool
They'll say something to you where it's like, Joe Biden's the greatest.
And you'll say, well, I personally take issue with Joe Biden's policy on this.
And they'll go, yeah, well, you're a Nazi, so you are a bigot.
That's the bait.
It's like, you're not arguing anymore.
You know, don't get dragged underwater with the alligator.
You don't want to do it.
bill ottman
Just tell him you love him and walk away.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
On Facebook, I usually just say, like, because I don't, like, I don't try to, I don't insult people.
So I'll post something and then someone will start yelling at me because people are nasty.
And I'll just be like, I'm sorry, I don't understand why you're so upset right now.
And they'll be like, well, I'm just saying it.
I'll be like, that's cool.
Appreciate it.
I'm just, you know, don't understand why you're angry.
Well, it's like, why are we, I'm not yelling at you.
You're not yelling at me.
What's going on?
Why are you doing it?
Anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
And then me.
Yes, I'm in the corner.
I would also like a mug, but I don't have any catchy sayings yet.
So until then, you guys can just follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
And never forget, don't fight an alligator underwater.
We will see you all tomorrow or maybe Sunday.
Tomorrow or Sunday.
YouTube.com slash Castcastle.
Subscribe to our new vlog channel.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
We're trying to build like a 40 foot grind rail so that we can do a bunch of silly things on it.
And I guess now we have to do stupid stuff like, Allison was like we're gonna get a swimming pool and then zipline over it and I'm like I guess Because we got to film something so maybe a volleyball net in the pool.
ian crossland
I'm into it.
tim pool
There we go Thanks for hanging out everybody.
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