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Timcast IRL - Alaska Airline SWATS Woman Over No Mask, FBI RAIDS Her House w/Bill Ottman
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tim pool
So this story is pretty crazy.
Apparently some lady was at the Capitol with her husband, and they never actually went inside the building.
When they were flying back, something happened.
I don't know if it was on their way back, but they were on an Alaskan Airlines flight.
Apparently weren't wearing masks.
So they got into it with one of the staff members and got booted off and banned from the airline.
Apparently then, someone from Alaska Airlines tipped off the FBI, making claims that these people were the ones who stormed the Capitol, and then the, I guess, or some of the people who did.
And then the FBI, because this woman is of the right age, or a similar age or whatever, decided to raid her home, looking for Nancy Pelosi's laptop.
It's a really weird story.
And if you just look at the photos of the woman they're claiming was involved in stealing the laptop, and this lady in Alaska, you can clearly tell they're not the same person.
So what is going on?
How is the FBI not figured out who stole the laptop yet?
How have they not figured out who was laying pipe bombs around DC that day, yet they're able to track down some of these, you know, bumbling dotards who walked into the Capitol building?
Maybe it's just low-hanging fruit.
Maybe the reason the FBI goes after the garage pull rope is because it's easy.
You ain't gotta do anything.
unidentified
Yeah, we're gonna go show up and then we're done with work.
tim pool
And trying to figure out who actually stole something, maybe that's really hard.
Well, we'll talk about this.
It's kind of a weird story, but we're gonna be chillin' today.
It's a chill day.
It's not a big news day.
We're talking about Dogecoin, which is skyrocketing, and Bitcoin, crypto, and just the state of social media free speech, and, you know, with stories like this and the FBI, I gotta say, it's been a bit of a pessimistic past couple of weeks, but we'll break all this down.
Maybe all these people will become Dogecoin millionaires, or maybe Dogecoin is proof the system is just crumbling before our eyes, because people are getting rich off of a meme?
If you put $1,000 in a Dogecoin in January, you would have $1,021,000 right now.
Something is wrong with the economy if that's the case, I'll tell you that.
So, uh, joining us today, of course, is Bill Ottman.
bill ottman
Hey, hey.
tim pool
You wanna introduce yourself?
bill ottman
Hey, everyone.
Great to be here.
I'm Bill, co-founder of Minds.
Tim and I have been rocking along for a few years now, just working on changing the world, man.
tim pool
And Ian, of course.
ian crossland
Yeah, Bill contacted me 2011 or something and saw some of my crazy YouTube videos and was like, hey, help me start a new social network.
tim pool
You seem like a crazy guy.
bill ottman
He had goggles on.
They were like holographic goggles.
ian crossland
Yeah.
It lets you see like a fly.
It lets you see like a fly sees.
It has like 40 each.
Each lens is like broken into 40 little lenses.
So you see this fractal.
And when you look at a light, you know why flies like the light because you see 40 lights with one eye.
Ian really draws you in.
tim pool
There are four lights.
ian crossland
There are 40 lights!
Ian Crossland.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
And I'm in the corner.
We're gonna have a fun conversation tonight.
Not as heavily news focused.
It'll be great.
tim pool
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Let's talk about this first really creepy story.
It's a really, really creepy story, because we have a bunch of different outlets that have reported this.
Did agents raid the home of a wrong woman over January 6th riot?
Maybe.
That's the creepiest thing about it, the maybe.
This story from the hour isn't the only outlet that said maybe they did.
A bunch of other outlets did.
I think even the AP was like, they might have.
But if you go to Anchorage Daily News, apparently one of the only outlets that actually looked into this story, they have a photograph of the woman during the January 6th rally in which Trump was speaking in DC, and a photo of the woman the FBI was actually looking for.
Here's a funny thing.
Okay, so maybe they're of similar age and their hair is kind of similar.
The woman whose home was raided as they were looking for Nancy Pelosi's laptop was wearing a gray scarf and I guess some kind of like low-cut or V or open neck shirt.
And the woman they're actually looking for has big hoop earrings and is not wearing a gray scarf and has some kind of, I don't know, weird flower pattern shirt.
Clearly not the same person.
So how is it that the FBI hasn't been able to figure out who stole the laptop, they haven't been able to figure out who was planting pipe bombs?
What are they doing?
I guess tracking down bumbling dotards who walked in confused.
So, here's where it gets really crazy.
Apparently, in this court filing, they mentioned that it was an Alaska Airlines employee who got into an altercation with these people because they weren't wearing masks, they got banned, and then I guess, this is where it gets weird.
Someone from Alaska Airlines looked up this woman's social media account, saw a post a few days later about being in D.C.
on January 6—not in the Capitol, mind you, not in the Capitol building, just there because Trump was rallying—then called the FBI and tipped them off.
And that was grounds for the FBI to go to Homer, Alaska and break this woman's door in and then go and search for a laptop.
Alright, did they find it?
Of course they didn't, because this was the wrong woman.
And now all these outlets are saying, like, maybe it was the wrong woman.
Okay, you know what?
Fine.
Let's play the maybe game.
Maybe this woman shows up in DC to hear Trump speak, and then everybody decides to go into the Capitol, so she takes off her jacket, takes off her scarf, throws it away, puts on a totally different shirt, attaches new earrings, all within the span of...
You know, a couple hours, I guess, while people are outside marching around.
I just find the whole thing just ridiculous.
And, uh, I don't know, man.
It makes me a bit pessimistic because it feels like the DOJ at this point has become completely politicized.
And I'll tell you what, this is gonna sound totally unrelated, but it really freaked me out.
We grilled today.
We made burgers.
They were delicious.
They were local farm burgers.
Apparently the local farms were telling us that, or so we were told by local farmers, The FDA has put restrictions on their ability to sell beef until recently.
And I'm like, I didn't hear that.
How come that's not in the news?
How come these stories aren't in the news?
It really does feel like a whole bunch of weird and wacky stuff is happening, right?
You've got something going on with this Arizona audit of the election.
The FBI flying to some woman's home in Alaska, desperate to find a laptop.
They can't figure out where it is.
We've got weird stuff with the dollar.
I don't know, man.
It all seems unrelated, but it's all, to me, it's indicative of, like, a rot in the foundation of the system.
ian crossland
Yeah, when you say weird things with the dollar, like, it's terrifying, explosive inflation that's, like, devastating the economy.
And that's not being talked about.
So I'm not overly shocked that other weird stuff is going on, too.
tim pool
It just feels like it's breaking apart.
ian crossland
Let's ring the alarms.
The FBI can kick your door down if they think you're someone, even if you just kind of look like somebody.
Is that where we're at?
tim pool
I'm not surprised that they could do this.
They can get a warrant from a judge and then go do it.
It's just...
I'm just at this point where watching all this news every day, I mean, we were sitting here before we pulled up the story, and I'm just like, I don't even care.
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Like, I can tell you a million and one things, but I can tell you one thing is that Antifa goes and throws rocks through windows and bashes skulls.
Whatever happened to that old man in Kenosha got his head bashed in by some Antifa?
Nobody get arrested for that?
Nothing happened?
Oh, but some lady It's a door kicked in.
I see that.
I see Chauvin.
I see these cases.
I see the juror lying.
And I'm just like, who has confidence in the U.S.
government at this point?
ian crossland
Aspects of it.
What about what were you going to say?
bill ottman
I mean, how do you decide what to pay attention to?
Do you feel like you're feeding?
Because we are engineering.
You know, consciousness by what we're covering, what we're talking about.
And so, but you like, you need to go towards the rot, but you kind of need to balance that out.
tim pool
I mean, I'm reading the general news, right?
So when I, when I look at news stories, I'm looking at like all of these different stories and I'm ignoring a lot of things.
I think I, you know, things I don't care about.
So I don't know, stories about celebrity gossip and.
A lot of stories about, like, some Instagram model wore a bikini to the beach.
And then it's, like, front-page news and a bunch of outlets.
Yeah, it gets clicks.
I get it.
When it comes to cultural issues, political issues, I'm trying to see what is going on and what matters most and what's having a big impact.
But admittedly, I'm only able to look at what journalists are, for the most part, already doing.
Now, we are going to be launching a newsroom soon.
We're going to start doing our own original reporting.
But that's why I was saying it's like I brought up the beef thing.
It's seemingly unrelated, but I think it's a really good example of people not realizing that I think we're being distracted by a lot of this stuff.
And what I mean is this FBI thing is scary.
It's creepy that an Alaska Airlines employee sending in a tip to the FBI about a woman because of a mask altercation.
That's just like really creepy like stuff.
Like, what was she doing?
Pulling up this woman's Instagram because she was mad at her or something like that?
It's weird.
And then the FBI goes to her house and kicks the door and looking for Nancy Pelosi's laptop?
This is like out of a bad action movie.
So this is some of the biggest news that you hear the mainstream media talking about.
What's going on with January 6th?
Oh, they raided this woman's home and it was like 1984-level snitch on your neighbor stuff, which is just very strange.
But then I hear this today when we're like, hey, let's grab burgers and we'll grill and have some burgers.
They were delicious, by the way.
Local beef.
And then apparently the farmers are like, oh yeah, we weren't allowed to actually sell any of this for a while.
The FDA wouldn't let us.
And I'm like, what?
bill ottman
Yeah, it's like raw milk.
I mean, just.
tim pool
No, but it's something to do with the lockdowns.
It was the lockdowns.
It was COVID.
And so what I'm saying is we do have these really creepy weirdo stories in the mainstream media.
And it's really frustrating, actually, when you hear like the juror in the Chauvin trial.
Not only did he lie about the protest, he lied about his shirt.
He's wearing the George Floyd shirt.
And he's like, oh, I don't remember wearing that.
And there's a video of him wearing it from a different time, from like months earlier or like months later or something like that.
Bacon?
So we see all this stuff and that's like where the focus is when it comes to politics, but
we're not paying attention to is regulatory stuff.
What's going on?
Have you noticed a huge shortage of a ton of different goods?
First of all, lumber is already expensive.
Steel is expensive.
Food is skyrocketing, but it's not just that.
Yeah, bacon's going up.
lydia smith
We couldn't find it.
tim pool
You couldn't find bacon?
You couldn't find bacon?
lydia smith
Yeah, we went to Costco the other day, and we couldn't find any bacon.
And we're like, what's going on?
tim pool
We're in trouble.
ian crossland
That's when things get real, is when you can't find the stuff.
tim pool
I'll tell you what I did.
I ordered a bunch of bacon I put in our deep freezer.
lydia smith
Smart.
tim pool
Yeah, because, you know, when the apocalypse comes, they say, in the land of a broken economy, the man with bacon is king.
bill ottman
I could see a pig here, to be honest.
tim pool
A pig?
bill ottman
I'd love a pig.
ian crossland
They're like dogs, kind of.
bill ottman
Ian will get way too attached.
ian crossland
Dude, you'd be my best friend.
bill ottman
Just get a pig and don't kill it.
lydia smith
Let's keep it around.
unidentified
It'll be good.
tim pool
No, it's just weird stuff that people aren't paying attention to.
I tried buying cat food.
Couldn't do it.
ian crossland
Well, why?
tim pool
It took like a month and a half, two months to get cat food.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, so we ended up getting this cat food that Bucko doesn't like.
ian crossland
This reminds me of if we were living on the Titanic, and this is the part of the movie where they're like, this is when everyone should be getting on lifeboats, but we don't have enough lifeboats, so don't freak everybody out because there'll be a mad dash and people will smash and kill you.
So they're not telling us to get on the lifeboats.
tim pool
I've got huge news!
lydia smith
Oh, what?
tim pool
Do you guys remember when Crowder sent me that gun?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, so I'm going to tell everybody the story of what happened with Cryosemia and his gun.
Actually, yeah, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, I'll get into the story.
But let me just say a few things.
I got too excited there.
And I'll just say, I got to lead into it better than that.
I'm really excited.
unidentified
Okay, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Ian's right!
So, I got concerned about the riots in, you know, when we were in the Philly area, because it's—this is the craziest thing about New Jersey, I've talked about it before, it's a duty to retreat, even from your own home.
Like, seriously.
If you are in your house in New Jersey, they say it's a partial castle doctrine state, and so I'm like, okay, what does that mean?
It means if someone breaks into your home, and you can escape, you have to leave your house.
And I'm like, but go, go where?
And it's only if it's completely safe.
And so then you got to argue to a court why it was like, it was a totally safe, or I'm sorry, it has to be like, in order to be totally safe, you have to leave.
If there's some risk to you by doing it, then they could argue that you should have stayed in your home or whatever.
But if you can safely leave your home, you have to.
So I'm like, I don't want to be in this stuff.
I remember going to the stores and seeing all the shortages and everything, and then thinking, like, man, should we be preppers?
Because it's funny, people like to make fun of the preppers, but the preppers don't care.
I don't know if you guys have seen, like, prepper videos recently.
Yeah, they don't care what the media says about them.
They're just like, whatever, I don't care.
You know, I've got I got a bunch of toilet paper while you guys are fighting over it.
bill ottman
They're living a great life, growing food.
I mean, why?
tim pool
And preparing food, living on farms.
And I don't know if they think the world's going to end tomorrow, but hey, man, the dollar is is is in pretty bad shape.
But let me let me let me tell you now.
Let me let me.
Now that I've built the suspense up a little bit enough to talk about this, this this Crowder thing, I got a big update on that gun that Crowder was supposed to me.
So this is like over a year ago.
I think it was over a year ago.
unidentified
Yeah, it was.
tim pool
I went on Loud Earth Crowder, and I don't think I had a gun at this point.
I was doing the paperwork to get one.
And so, Steven was like, Tim buddy, we're getting you a gun.
And he's like, we're going to send you the Sig M400, it's the Cadillac of guns.
And I'm like, awesome dude, thank you so much.
And then everybody wanted to know what happened to it.
And just no one ever heard about it.
I've never talked about it.
I've never shared it.
There's no Instagram photos.
It just never happened.
Well, here's what happened.
There apparently was only one gun shop in New Jersey that could do the modifications to make it New Jersey legal because New Jersey is a horrible state for firearms.
And so Crowder's team ended up sending it to the one shop that could take it.
The only problem, it was about 70 miles away from where we were.
And that would mean driving for about an hour and a half in the middle of a day where I'm working mornings and nights and on weekends and I couldn't do it.
I'd have to drive up there, fill out the Nick's background check form, drive back home, wait three to five days because I was on a delay list, then drive back and do it again.
I'm like, I can't do that.
Like I got a company to run.
I got shows to do.
There's no point in the day which I could leave and go do this.
So I told Crowder, I was like, look, I got sent to a, you know, a shop that's too far away from me.
I can't go get it.
Well, I got a phone call today.
And this shop calls me and they're like, it's been, you know, we're cleaning out the storage room.
It's been about a year and we found this gun and it's for you.
I got a voicemail.
I didn't listen to it until afterwards, but I get the missed call and I call them.
They're like, yeah, you know, we're cleaning out the shop and we realized we had this gun sitting here for almost a year.
Do you still want it?
And I was like, wow.
I do want it.
Can you send it to my FFL?
And they were like, sure thing!
So I'm finally getting it.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Yeah, so I checked the voicemail and there was this woman and she was like, it's been sitting here for a year and we're supposed to charge you five bucks a day for how long it's been sitting here, but...
You know, whatever.
If you don't want it, then we're gonna start charging you now, but call us back."
And I was like, sure, and I called him back.
And the problem was, when we were in New Jersey, they had to do a bunch of modifications to it.
And I was like, I can't pick this up.
And then, you know, I guess they theoretically could have modified it or shipped it out or whatever, but it just fell off.
So it's gonna be coming out here.
bill ottman
I'm surprised they didn't say, we can't ship it, for some stupid reason.
tim pool
No, they were totally cool.
Yeah, shout out.
They were really cool.
And they were like, no, we got you, man.
Don't worry about it.
And so I guess the issue was when we were there, it needed to be modified for New Jersey, which was going to cost money.
But now we're not.
Now we're essentially between Maryland and West Virginia.
unidentified
What was the modification?
tim pool
Dude, New Jersey's got like crazy rules about what you can or can't have on a gun.
bill ottman
It's just so arbitrary.
tim pool
It's like minimal.
They have to make it so that when you pull the trigger a flag comes out with it's red and says bang on it.
Otherwise it's not legal.
Yeah, it's the only legal way to get a gun.
unidentified
That makes more sense in New Jersey.
tim pool
So we're getting it and anyway, I got all excited because Unmodified?
Fully unmodified?
Yeah, fully unmodified.
Nice!
It's gonna be like as the Sega M400 comes out.
ian crossland
I'm looking forward to seeing this thing.
I've never even seen a picture of it.
tim pool
Yeah, supposedly it's a cool gun.
lydia smith
Looks like a gun, I think.
tim pool
You know, it was supposed to be my first, I guess, and now it's gonna be my 30th.
ian crossland
I want to circle back, as Jen Psaki would say, to this metaphor earlier I was talking about us looking for lifeboats.
Like how the government's kind of distracting us, or how we're being distracted by the media when it's time to get in the lifeboats.
tim pool
Yes, we're being distracted, but I want to clarify my point.
I'm not necessarily saying it was intentionally misleading us.
ian crossland
Yeah, it may not.
tim pool
Maybe it's not.
I think everybody is hyper-focused on the same thing, and we're all staring off to our left.
Meanwhile, on the right, there's a volcano erupting.
ian crossland
I have so many things to say about it.
I want to read this Nietzsche quote.
This is when Nietzsche was talking about the abyss.
He said, Beware that when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster.
For when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
And that's a big part of You know, the weight of being a journalist and doing things like what we're doing is we cover dirty, nasty, painful things to hear about and to think about, and it can make you angry.
It can make you edgy and lose focus on how to fix situations, you know, when you're surrounded by problems all the time.
lydia smith
Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
Okay, I was just gonna say that Michael Tracy just tweeted something about an article about journalists who are freaking out and breaking down constantly and crying, and I was like, that's because they steeped themselves in the anti-Trump bubble, and they were just stewing in it, all this TDS all the time, and it like broke their brains.
And there's a journalist who commented, her name's like Katie or something, and she's like, My brain broke during the Trump election.
I was like, dude, whose fault is that?
Like no one is making you dive into this stuff and just swim around in this cesspool of horrible thoughts about Donald Trump all the time, you know?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
So you're right about that.
tim pool
Can you imagine the nightmares these people were having?
ian crossland
Dude.
tim pool
I'd love, I'd pay to see one of their nightmares.
Soon you'll be able to if this neural net thing is... Yeah, there's a neural net thing that can decode brain images, like what you're seeing, and then it transcodes it to a visual approximation.
I'm just imagining these people all day, every day, just... They were talking about after Trump got banned, they were celebrating.
And a bunch of people, like conservatives, were like, that's crazy, they would celebrate the censorship of a sitting president.
You gotta understand.
These people were talking about how they would wake up in the morning and then their phone would have a shortcut to pull up Donald Trump's Twitter to read what he was saying.
It's all they ever did because their companies wanted them to do it.
They're like, we got to write about what Trump is doing because Trump makes us money.
I used to imagine these people having like, you know, we talked about this the other day, Brian Stelter having a nightmare where he's like in an old rickety house and then he's like, it's like there's like lightning strikes and then there's Trump.
You can see him flashing and then he's like, and then when he runs out the back door, it actually just transports him back into the front door and he's trapped in this house and there's Trump in the shadows.
These people were trapped in a Trump vortex.
ian crossland
They became the demon, ultimately.
When you want a problem, when all you focus on is the problem, you can't live without it anymore.
That becomes part of your identity.
It seems like that's what's happening, and possibly is happening to people right now.
tim pool
I think it's causing and a cause of the crisis, the culture war.
So the more the crisis escalates in terms of the FBI raiding someone's home or Antifa setting buildings on fire, the more you will get, say, MSNBC lying about riots.
And then in turn, conservatives saying the media is lying, they're fake news.
And so it's just a spiral that's spinning faster and faster and faster with everyone trapped inside.
bill ottman
Do you think the censorship of Trump is working to actually have people talk about it less?
tim pool
Talk about Trump less?
bill ottman
Talk about Trump less.
I think it is kind of working.
tim pool
I think Trump chose to kind of back off for a couple months.
ian crossland
That's the scary thing about censorship is it does work.
bill ottman
It can work in an isolated system.
So within the mainstream media network, the big tech social media network, I mean, yeah, you can stamp it out of those, but then, you know, it still has a life outside of there, but it can be hidden.
tim pool
I don't think censorship works.
That's not true.
Donald Trump just wasn't doing anything for a few months.
He was just playing golf.
Then he started sending out emails again, and then all of a sudden they kept talking about it again.
And even when Trump wasn't saying things, they were still talking about Trump nonstop.
They were impeaching the guy.
They are the ones who don't want to let him go.
Now Trump launched from the desk of Donald Trump.
And then people have created social media accounts that are just reposting what Trump is posting on his own site and Twitter's banning them all.
ian crossland
Probably because we're in a less isolated environment now with the internet.
Because like the Romans, when they conquered the Gauls, this guy Vercingetorix, like they just basically stamped out all record of those people.
They censored it away.
And Tartaria and all this ancient Asian cultures that are just, we don't even know what they are because they were erased.
tim pool
Let's clarify something real quick.
When people say that censorship works, and you look at how it affects modern political discourse, it works in the sense that you hide certain things, but it doesn't make them go away.
So it has the tensions between the culture war Has it stopped?
No, it's gotten substantially worse.
But they banned all these right-wing individuals, these conservatives, these Trump supporters.
Yet, well, they still exist, and they still believe things.
What happened was, these journalists are sitting on Twitter, rocking back and forth, like, scratching their head until their skin—until they're bleeding.
And then finally, Twitter says, we banned those people, and they go, They're gone.
They're finally gone.
And they're just literally still sitting there.
It's just all Twitter did was like pull down the blinds.
They're literally still there.
bill ottman
You can feel the cultural tension building up because of all this stuff.
So it's the pressure cooker is Pressure cookers on max.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's me worried, man.
That's why I was like, that's why when you were talking about lifeboats, I thought about the gun and Crowder.
ian crossland
Yeah.
The key is I think when you look at this Nietzsche quote and you really let it seep into you, if you stare at the problem all day, it will, you will become part of the problem.
You have to, to not.
I mean, it's good to know what the problem is, but you've got to find a solution.
tim pool
I don't think it means you will become, it just means be careful that you don't.
ian crossland
Some great people can probably stare into it their entire life and not become the demon, but I think there's a tendency to.
lydia smith
You know, this Alaska airline thing really unsettled me because it reminded me not of 1984, which is technically fiction, but of actual historical events like during the Soviet Union.
Those nice people who just silently sat by while their neighbors were rounded up.
They didn't want to think about politics.
They just wanted to go about their day and then they would turn in their own neighbors.
This is what Gina Carano got in trouble for.
She was right.
ian crossland
I just heard a number that said that in the Soviet Union, two in five people were informants for the state.
lydia smith
Yes.
That meant that somebody in your family was an informant and you couldn't talk about anything.
So you talk about censorship working.
Get people in your family involved on the government payroll.
tim pool
See, you know why they had to round people up and send them to Gulags, Ian?
Because the censorship wasn't working.
ian crossland
That's true.
tim pool
They had shut down any anti-state media.
It was all propaganda, but people still We're talking and spreading information.
And then these informants would go to the state and be like, did you hear?
They were just saying these things.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, censoring him isn't working.
Send him to the gulag.
Gotta excise them from sight was the only way.
Because when you, when, when you cut on a man's tongue, you're not proving him wrong.
You're only proving you are scared of what he might say.
That's a game with, I'm pretty sure it's a game with Thrones quotes.
Yeah.
Uh, what's the character?
Uh, Tyrion.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Yeah.
bill ottman
I thought what I thought you were saying today in your in your video about ContraPoints was really interesting how, you know, sort of the left is calling out the free speech warriors and the right is calling out the social justice warriors.
But realistically, it's I think that those two things do exist and they're sort of both hypocritical on both sides.
But then there are elements of the right and left and center who are more nuanced.
And I think that that's where we all hope that we sit.
But it's like, I think that both sides are right to a certain degree.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
But you look at the New York Times data.
They recently did this thing where they said 38% of Democrats are in a bubble surrounded only by Democrats, no exposure to conservatives.
But it's something like 19% of Republicans are in a bubble with no exposure to Democrats.
So that means that there are conservatives who overlap.
Conservatives are less likely to be in a bubble and not understand Democrats.
It makes sense, because the old saying is that conservatives think liberals are misguided, but liberals think conservatives are evil.
To your point, here's what we see.
There is a rule in the culture war, when you look at the left, that when a conservative gets censored, they laugh, they gloat, and they celebrate.
Then you will see the rule on the right that people will immediately defend the conservatives who get censored.
When the leftists get censored, it is a rule that they will scream, it is unfair, it's censorship, and the conservatives are claiming they're the ones getting banned.
And it is still a rule that conservatives will defend the left when they get censored.
So when the left gets censored, the right and the left scream censorship is wrong.
When the right gets censored, the left laughs and mocks the right and the right says this
bill ottman
is wrong.
You don't think there are elements of the right that laugh when people on the left get
banned because they think it's like karma?
tim pool
That's different.
So it's one thing when the left says, dude, Facebook's a private business.
If they want to ban you, they're allowed to.
And then a conservative goes, you got banned.
I thought you said it was a private business.
Serves you right.
There's a difference.
But there are people on the right.
That's why I said it's the exception on the left are those who would defend a conservative when they're censored.
And the exception on the right is those who would mock the left when they get censored.
bill ottman
Yeah, I think that's a good ratio.
tim pool
And then there's the disaffected liberals and moderates who are pretty principled, straight through.
bill ottman
I mean, the reality is that it's hard to defend free speech in an absolute sense.
Because you're put into a position where you're defending horrible ideas.
It's like this burden that you have to carry around.
I constantly feel that, but you have to just keep walking.
Because we don't have anything other than our principles.
But then, I'm not even going to claim to be perfect because there are exceptions, which is the harsh reality.
Legalities!
There's legality and then there's free speech in the pure philosophical sense.
There's law and there's philosophy.
tim pool
It's interesting in that we didn't necessarily have to deal with a lot of the creepy stuff on the internet when it came to public discourse.
Like, you know, people would go out in the street and they'd show pictures of like dead fetuses and stuff.
And, but for the most part, you don't have people walking around with, you know, holding up big signs with like pornography and stuff on it.
Now on social media, people can just spam a button and flood a network with garbage and crap.
And that makes it really difficult for regular people to engage in a platform and have this kind of speech.
When they're drowned out.
I suppose in reality, though, the issue might actually just be anonymity.
Or a lack of proximity.
Why won't someone show up to City Hall carrying big posters of pornography?
Because they'd have to be there holding it themselves.
And then people would see them and judge them and they'd feel bad and be worried about their access to resources.
When it comes to social media, they use an anime avatar or, you know, a cat person or something.
And then they can post whatever they want.
No one knows who they are.
bill ottman
Right.
But the paradox is that when you're anonymous, you feel the true freedom to express what you want to say.
tim pool
That's exactly what I'm saying.
bill ottman
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So people post weirdo pictures and creepy nonsense and garbage and they flood the zone with trash.
bill ottman
But so so it's simultaneously the problem, but it's also what gives us free speech, because when you have anonymity, like, yeah, it causes people to go crazy and like spam with like crazy, insane stuff.
But it also is a very important fundamental human right, arguably.
ian crossland
If you have a totalitarian government and you need to organize a response to it, if they know who you are, you're dead.
But if you have anonymity, you can do it functionally.
tim pool
Yeah, like when Antifa went out and set fire to vehicles and threw bricks through windows and the cops couldn't do anything about it because they were all wearing masks.
ian crossland
Exactly.
tim pool
It's true.
ian crossland
But I was thinking more about the Arab Spring, but yes, for good or ill, you can organize safely with anonymity.
I'm into one.
tim pool
History is written by the victors, man.
In these countries where they have these revolutions, when the revolution wins, the revolutionaries are the good guys.
If they lose, they were insurgent terrorists and they were suppressed.
ian crossland
Except for Castro.
Because we had media now.
We have TV and radio so we can remember how, uh, what was that guy's name?
Che Guevara.
Put in the bullet in the guy's head or the girl's head.
That image.
You ever see that Che Guevara image?
We're like, we love Che Guevara!
People wear his shirt, a shirt with his face on it.
He was a psychotic murderer.
I mean, he was a murderer.
He was, he was a cold-blooded murderer.
bill ottman
But the Motorcycle Diaries was a sick movie.
unidentified
I didn't see it though.
Was that about him?
ian crossland
Yeah.
bill ottman
It's actually a good movie.
ian crossland
So there are, the history is written by the victors, but maybe the victors were the ones that built the internet.
tim pool
Yeah, but listen, we have history of Shay being a bad person because we aren't socialists, because our government was anti-socialist.
So we made sure that that kind of stuff existed.
But history is written by the victors, man.
If the activists win, it was funny, what did Jack Posobiec tweeted, today will be called, like, what did he call it, the age of dumb?
lydia smith
Yeah, the age of dumb, yeah.
tim pool
And I said, yeah, but if the left wins, it'll be called the Age of New Enlightenment.
It'll be the Great Awakening, the Great Awokening, when people finally realized what was truly happening.
That's what it'll be.
bill ottman
But where are the history books?
What are going to be the history books?
unidentified
CNN.
bill ottman
I know, but in a thousand years, what are people actually going to reference?
tim pool
What do you mean?
Wikipedia?
bill ottman
That or something more immutable, potentially.
ian crossland
Like a blockchain?
Or databases that can't be tampered with?
bill ottman
Right.
ian crossland
Or if you see them tampered with, you know they were tampered with?
bill ottman
Exactly.
tim pool
I disagree.
bill ottman
I mean, there will be both.
We're going to exist in both worlds.
There's going to be encyclopedias that are immutable, and then there's going to be ones that are controlled by centralized authorities.
tim pool
Yeah, but the centralized authorities for now control the dominant narrative.
It's interesting though, you know, I like that phrase, if the situation was hopeless, the propaganda wouldn't be necessary.
And I mean, among my three channels, we get, you know, I think 50 to 60 million views per month.
It's down a bit because I used to do three more segments every day.
I cut those out and I cut off weekends.
But we're still hitting around 50 million.
And so it's not the same as, you know, CNN on YouTube gets 200 million.
But I think that's pretty good relative to YouTube.
bill ottman
The net videos over the course of your life because you'll live longer because you're resting a little bit more, you'll still put out the same amount of content.
tim pool
No, the idea is to build something and expand and empower other people to start doing similar things like this.
And so I think there's some optimism there that a show like this can exist.
The problem is, they've been going after Steven Crowder like crazy.
And it's not for legitimate things.
So, you know, Crowder is one of the biggest, I guess we can call it counterculture shows.
He is a conservative personality, very funny with millions of fans and subscribers.
And he challenges the establishment.
He, you know, and he questions the official narratives.
And so what do they go after him for?
Out of context, edgy jokes or just edgy jokes in general, or they just make things up.
Like when he was quoting CDC data, they said, oh, that's misinformation.
So they take his videos down.
How much does it cost to launch a network channel?
Do you think?
So they're trying really hard to it's a culture war man.
bill ottman
How much does it cost to launch a network channel?
Do you think?
unidentified
What do you mean?
bill ottman
Like in terms of getting like a channel on you know TV?
tim pool
I don't know.
Let me think.
I don't think it's that much.
Maybe $20 to $50 million?
bill ottman
Something for the alternative media to consider.
tim pool
But why do you want to be on TV?
bill ottman
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe it's not even that much, to be honest.
bill ottman
That's why I'm asking.
It might not be worth it.
tim pool
But I think at this point it's probably dirt, because what's the point?
bill ottman
The point is that I think there are millions of people who are still in that world.
The newer generation is not in that world.
I don't know what the numbers are.
tim pool
I think a lot of people are watching digitally.
TV ratings are in the gutter and we are going to see in the next five to ten years a major switch to digital.
bill ottman
Who controls getting a channel?
tim pool
You negotiate with the provider.
So you would go to Comcast and then say, we want our channel to be on your list.
bill ottman
Right.
tim pool
And then you'd work out a deal.
And typically how it works is like they give you a few cents per household or whatever.
So it's a lot of money for some of these channels.
But then you've got to produce content.
And so a lot of what we're seeing now is this is amazing.
MTV, for instance, they just do reruns of Ridiculousness.
I love it.
Vice Land or Vice TV or whatever they're calling it these days.
Vice was supposed to have their own cable channel and they finally got it.
They just started doing reruns of movies.
You'd like turn on Vice and it would be like, you know, Groundhog Days on.
bill ottman
Yeah, that's a good example of it not being worth it.
to get a channel, because Vice did it, and it's not particularly effective.
ian crossland
And no one's going to watch it.
No one's going to watch it at 2 in the morning or 4 in the morning.
So what's the point of all that dead space?
tim pool
Well, yeah, TV doesn't work so much anymore.
bill ottman
You can't just pull up, you know, go through the channels on your phone.
I would think that the providers would start to do that so that you could just go through the channels.
tim pool
Everything's on demand now.
So Hulu is way more relevant than cable TV.
So if I want to watch Star Trek, I just go to Netflix or Hulu.
ian crossland
opportunity to do a radio show.
They were like, hey, let's do this radio show.
It's going to air at 8 p.m.
on Tuesday.
And I was like, okay.
So it ran once at 8 p.m.
on Tuesday and it was never, you can't get it.
And it felt so like I was robbed.
I spent all this time recording this thing that is not now persistent on the internet as a YouTube video that someone can click on.
The value of it being there all the time transcends magnitudes more value than waiting till 9 p.m.
to see a show.
tim pool
I wonder if this is all the Great Filter.
You know the Great Filter?
You know Fermi's Paradox?
unidentified
Vaguely.
tim pool
You're familiar with?
unidentified
No?
bill ottman
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So the idea being, you know, if the universe is so vast, then surely there's intelligent life.
If there is, how come we haven't seen any signs of it?
And there's a bunch of hypotheses about what it may be, and the Great Filter is one of them.
And that's when a civilization reaches a certain point and they just get filtered out of existence, right?
Something happens to intelligent species that they wipe themselves out.
And I'm thinking, like, everything we're looking at right now, maybe it's like yeast in a bottle, you know, just eating the sugars and farting ourselves to death.
But in reference to what you're saying about YouTube and stuff, maybe it's just that we have billions of hours of content every single day, every perspective.
And at a certain point, there's just too much static.
It's like, there was a period where everything was noise, it was chaos.
Then we built upon it this civilization, this order.
And then, continuing our expansion of technology, it's going back to static, to noise.
You know, if you were to actually look at the raw feed of YouTube, like the firehose of all the videos being uploaded, I bet it's nonsensical gibberish and garbage.
It's like a seven second video of like a chicken looking at a camera and then a hamster just walking around.
Then there's like some little kid staring at the camera confused for three minutes.
And then the family.
It's just a whole bunch of nonsense no one ever sees.
bill ottman
Right, but it's both.
I mean, we also have so much access.
Like, I feel like I learn faster than I used to.
unidentified
I do.
bill ottman
Probably not when I was a baby.
Like, you know, you learn the most when you're a baby.
But the amount of information that we're getting now is... The velocity is so high that we're probably evolving faster in certain ways as well.
tim pool
I think that baby things... Look, maybe it's true.
bill ottman
Get a baby.
I recommend it.
tim pool
No, hold on.
How long does it take a baby to start speaking?
bill ottman
About a year.
tim pool
a year and in what way do they start speaking in a year?
bill ottman
Just sounds that vaguely resemble...
tim pool
I think they say on average in 44 weeks to master a romance language if you're a Germanic
or Romantic speaker and 88 weeks for an East Asian language like Chinese.
So in one year you can be fluent in German or French.
A baby can mutter some words.
bill ottman
We should do a show, a challenge of like a super smart person versus a baby.
tim pool
It's not that, you know, people always say this like, oh, it's so easy to pick up when you're a kid.
Well, it's because you're not doing anything.
ian crossland
Also, your brain is lit up like they do studies, fMRI exams on people with LSD, and their entire brains light up, and they're active like the right and the left hemisphere at once, and that's how baby brains are.
tim pool
They haven't learned to filter stuff out, so they're just learning everything.
bill ottman
Well, there's such high demand and need for them to communicate, because when it's your first language, your body is forcing you to figure it out so that you can achieve certain things that you want to achieve, which you don't have that need when you already know one language.
tim pool
That's not true.
bill ottman
Depending on where you live, yeah, maybe you move somewhere and you have to.
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
And you'll pick up the language super quickly.
And so I was reading, it says on average, it's 44 weeks.
I don't know what the study was.
I read it on Reddit or something.
To master, if you speak a Germanic or Romance language in 44 weeks, you can be fluent in another language.
If you are actively pursuing and speaking and using that language, you'll be fluent.
bill ottman
Let's launch the study.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I guess they already exist.
How long does it take for a child to get to the point where they're having a conversation like this?
bill ottman
Probably four years old.
Probably the smartest kid in the world, I would argue, could keep up.
tim pool
discussing the nuance of economic policy.
bill ottman
Probably the smartest kid in the world, I would argue, could keep up.
tim pool
I think around...
bill ottman
Smartest four-year-old on the planet.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
Like, 10 or 11 maybe.
They're having a conversation, but mostly asking questions due to their lack of exposure to information and context.
So it's not an issue of ability, it's an issue of just time.
You know, we've had more time to learn things and understand history.
bill ottman
I mean, there are videos, there's one video of this Chinese boy playing Chopin Fantasy Impromptu.
He's three.
I'm telling you, this, it's madness.
I mean, it's probably he's been trained by his parents in a very...
borderline abusive way. I don't want to accuse anything, but it's insane. And that's something
that none of us could do. And it might take a decade to learn. So, you know, there are,
but that's the exception.
tim pool
Let's get back to talking about the apocalypse. Yeah. Yeah.
ian crossland
We're talking about how do we, how do we start talking about what we're talking about? Yeast
farting itself to death in a And I think this mass influence of information is causing interference in our ability.
So that's the static, is this weird influence.
In tide pools, what would happen is organisms would live at one level of the tide pool, vertically.
So petri dishes are kind of one, they're only two dimensional.
They don't really have up and down.
You can't really get out of it.
Normally in a tide pool, if an area of the tide pool got too acidic or too dangerous for these organisms to live, they would come together and form a new type of organism that could float up to a different strata of the tide pool and essentially evolve into a new organism collectively.
They would come together and create a new organism.
Now, in Petri dishes, you don't see that because they're two-dimensional.
They don't have anywhere to go, so they eat them so they die.
But in the tide pool, our nature is to come together, form a new species, essentially, and then move somewhere where we can thrive.
tim pool
I think decentralization needs to happen.
It needs to happen fast.
I think people need to get out of cities.
I think they need to go to more rural areas.
They need to start learning how to take care of themselves and be self-sufficient.
And so we got rid of one of our... We have, you know, two... We have a front lawn.
There's a walkway dividing the lawn.
We got rid of one side of it and turned it into a garden.
So we're gonna be growing a lot of our own food.
Not nearly enough to sustain the amount of people who are, you know, living and working.
But it's a start.
And I think people need to do that.
We also have chickens, so we're gonna have a bunch of eggs at some point in the next couple of months.
And I think having some reliance on yourself is really important.
And getting off the grid.
I don't mean getting off the grid in the sense of, like, disappearing from society.
I mean having well water with a filtration system and having some kind of, you know, at-home renewable of solar or wind or whatever you can get.
And still being attached to the grid, just having the capability to survive on your own in the event things start falling apart.
ian crossland
Yeah, the electric grid, especially.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Because right now, if one part of the electric goes down, they shut the entire grid down to repair it and take everyone's power out.
It's not sustainable.
tim pool
Or there's a storm and it could knock out your power.
And what are you going to do?
So I'm thinking about what we're seeing with the market.
There's desperate attempts to assuage the fears of an impending market collapse and hyperinflation.
And I think it's coming.
I think we're starting to see a lot of the same signs, far be it for me to tell anybody what they should do with their money, but, you know, I've been talking to a lot of my friends who are, you know, some of them who do, are day traders and work in investment firms, and they bring up, you know, every time we see a major collapse, you start seeing similar signs of the media saying, oh, no, everything's fine, there's no collapse, just keep doing your thing, and it's like, When they start saying this stuff, everything's okay, go back to work, mind your own business.
It happens every time, and then there's a major collapse, or some kind of crash.
bill ottman
Well, there was a case, I was talking about Christopher Mellon, who was just on Rogan, like a couple days ago, and he told this story where, because this guy worked in intelligence agencies, They told him that there was a pending nuclear attack on New York and DC.
When?
I don't remember what year he said, but he was told from the inside that this is likely to be happening.
He told his family and friends, but he said he was walking around.
In a blur because he, you know, it was surreal.
He felt like he should warn people, but it would cause more chaos.
That's why they... But that did happen.
That's confirmed from the inside.
They knew nuclear was a tangible threat, and they decided not to tell anyone because they figured... They didn't have... Was this a year ago, five years ago, ten years ago?
Maybe Lydia can help look up the date, but... Like during the Cold War?
I mean, I think he might have even broken the news like two days ago, so I'm not sure, but...
You know, they didn't have full confirmation that the attack was coming.
So they decided that it wasn't worth it because their level of intelligence wasn't guaranteed.
And then luckily it ended up not happening.
tim pool
That's why I think, you know, the Preppers are laughing at us because they're like, you got these arrogant city folk who mock Preppers.
And it's just like, first of all, why do I care what you think about me?
Second of all, when you when when the water shuts off, the power goes out like when Hurricane Sandy hit and the power went out in New York.
None of these prepper people care when there's a hurricane.
They're like, and?
They got everything.
They're good.
They go underground.
bill ottman
The joke's on the people mocking.
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
They're not prepared.
bill ottman
Preppers, truthers.
I remember when truther became a word that was pejorative.
I mean, that's out of a fiction novel.
tim pool
Truther?
bill ottman
I mean, granted, okay, there are some crazy truthers about certain topics, but the fact that the phrase truther is used as a pejorative is insane when you just look at it from the outside.
tim pool
I'll tell you what's insane.
There was that quote from Joe Biden recently where he's like, who needs a hundred rounds?
What do you think the deer's wearing?
Kevlar?
It's like, your life has been so cushy and soft.
You've been such a spoiled, pampered brat.
Because you do not know hardship.
That you're like, why would anyone ever need to defend their lives?
Well, I guess you can ask the people in inner city Chicago why they keep buying illegal guns and bringing them in and buying them.
Because there's a lot of gun violence and they're worried.
Some people are bad people and want to commit crimes and some people are worried about being the victims of crime.
But that statement from Joe Biden just shows.
That's the mentality.
They've never had hardship.
Imagine spending your whole life.
You know, I'll put it this way.
I know a lot of people who never had jobs.
It's crazy.
26, 27-year-old, never had a job.
Why?
They went to school, they went to high school, they went to college, went to a master's program.
Get out, 24 to 26, never had a job, ever!
So they have no idea how anything works.
They have no idea how to get money.
And they're just, man, adults at 26 who don't know how to survive on their own.
Now, that is obvious.
You can see that.
You can be like, obviously, if you've never worked and never, you know, generated income, you're going to be a 26-year-old with all of life's responsibilities out of school and having no idea what to do.
Sure, they can teach you how to play the trombone in college, or they can teach you how to, like, you know, set up a nuclear reactor, but they don't tell you how to get a job, or make money, or, or, you know, set up a banking account, or pay your taxes.
Now you think about that and think about conflict and crisis.
Not a person in this country save cops, veterans, and not even every veteran.
A lot of them are administrative.
A lot of cops are administrative.
There is a relatively small fraction of people in this country who have actually experienced any kind of real conflict.
So most people in this country are voting based on the idea that everything is and always will be fine because it is normal to not have to worry about any of these things.
It's normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
bill ottman
And that's why decentralization is something you're sort of forced to learn, whether it's digital decentralization or physical, you know, with farms and stuff like you have to get banned in order or you have to know people who are getting banned in order to understand that you need to secure yourself.
And your communication systems.
tim pool
That's why it's funny when, you know, I was talking about ContraPoints earlier on one of my channels.
ContraPoints is a leftist who, if you look at her Twitter accounts, I search for free speech, there's just mockery of the free speech warriors.
Now all of a sudden, after one of her videos is age restricted, it's, we must stand up for free speech and the left must reclaim free speech, and it's like, My response is always, thank you, welcome to the fight, please, your advocacy for free speech is greatly welcomed, but if only you stopped treating this like a joke in a game.
And that's the point.
People who weren't being oppressed, people who weren't being targeted by a system, who did not know hardship, were laughing at those who were saying, we need to be prepared and fight this.
Because they weren't experiencing the problems.
This is the funny thing now.
You can see something so plainly obvious.
What do you do when the power goes out?
I don't know, the power never goes out.
If it does, someone fixes it for me.
What do you do when the power goes out and doesn't come back on?
What are you, some kind of dumb prapper?
Okay, well listen.
You can keep betting on this idea that life is and always will be a golden age just for you.
Or you can look at history and recognize, for one, Golden Age has come to an end, and two, the natural state of life on this planet is constantly stressed out, running, and struggling to survive.
ian crossland
I did play a game of Civ where I went from Golden Age to Golden Age to Golden Age to Golden Age for like thousands and thousands of years.
tim pool
What was your strategy?
ian crossland
I don't know, I was playing on easy.
It was cultural science based.
tim pool
Culture and science.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you're playing in easy mode.
ian crossland
I think I was playing on like normal prints or something above average.
Not hard.
tim pool
Not super hard.
bill ottman
I think it's the same reason people sit on big tech apps because they have no reason to leave.
I mean, they haven't experienced what people involved in these issues have experienced.
They're not, you know, real journalists who have experienced censorship in international countries.
I'm talking about international journalists who are like, you know, really getting censored by governments and whatnot.
And so You know, you have to experience it.
tim pool
You see that really, there's a really great video from last year, where someone from the BBC is interviewing the president of Azerbaijan, and they're like, your record on press freedom is abhorrent, and he was like, what about Julian Assange?
And then it's just like, mic drop!
He's like, you've had this guy locked up for how many years, holding him as a hostage, and then you're gonna talk to us about press freedoms?
And she's like, well, I'm not holding him, your country is doing it!
So don't come to me and criticize me, and it's like, I'm pretty sure they have a very bad track record on journalism, so they don't get any free passes.
But why should the UK?
Why should, you know, any one of these countries, or the US even, pretend that they're doing well?
Now, keep in mind, I love when the left claims, like, press freedoms in the US under Trump slipped worse than Somalia, or whatever stupid garbage they were saying.
What you have now, there was a tweet from this journalist, and she was like, I ordered a bulletproof vest that I need for doing journalism in America, and it was too small, and I was at one point kind of glad it was too small, that my bulletproof vest that I need for journalism in America wasn't gonna fit me, and I'm like... It's too big.
lydia smith
She was too small.
tim pool
She was too small?
Yeah, it was too big for her.
The point is, she was clearly trying to make a point about, I can't believe people in America would need to wear a bulletproof vest!
What do you think the world is like?
This is like someone living in a Chuck E. Cheese's in the bouncy castle being like, why would anyone need a helmet?
We're in a bouncy castle!
ian crossland
You want to protect your kids.
tim pool
Dude, outside is concrete.
ian crossland
You want to protect the minds of children.
You don't want to show them soldiers getting blown apart and bleeding out and stuff when they're one so that it warps their perception.
You also don't want to coddle them and not show them any of the terror of reality, in my opinion.
I don't have kids.
You have kids.
You can probably talk better about this than I can.
And I don't even know, like, how have you been navigating that?
Do you want to talk about that?
bill ottman
Yeah.
Well, that's kind of what was interesting about when we all first experienced the Internet.
You know, you go and you find the craziest shit that you can find.
tim pool
I remember, like, LiveLeak videos, man.
bill ottman
Yeah.
tim pool
Just like, oh, there's a guy getting murdered again.
unidentified
He's like watching it and just like, wow.
ian crossland
I could rail off.
tim pool
Two girls, one cop.
ian crossland
So much trauma.
Oh my gosh.
Motorcycles hitting people in the head.
tim pool
I mean, faces of death.
Remember that?
bill ottman
Yeah, I don't know the answer to that.
I think you need to ease a brain into the reality, but you don't want to shelter them too much, that's for sure.
tim pool
It's tough and uneasy.
But we have a generation, we have what now, like three generations, of ever-increasing padded walls.
So what's happening is now you have all of these urban liberals who... It's like WALL-E, you know?
It's like the morbidly obese people in their hoverchairs floating around where things are being done for them.
They live in these big cities.
You know what I gotta say?
COVID may have been really, really bad, but at least one of the positives, because there's nuance in all things.
I know a lot of people are going to be like, it's controversial to say that there could be anything good coming out of something bad.
No, it's that these people in cities are going to stop wasting, stop mass consumption, and start realizing that life takes hard work and responsibility, and you can't just sit back and let someone else do it, because you know what happens when you do?
Cuomo goes and kills 15,000 people.
ian crossland
Or your guard comes and murders, like they say, like when people have bunkers and it's the end of the world and you're relying on your hired security, the hired security is going to come kill you and take the bunker for themselves.
That's like part of the story.
tim pool
What's the joke from, uh, somebody superchatted us.
They said, uh, on behalf of all gun, gun owners, I'd like to thank the gun control advocates for stockpiling our goods for us for the apocalypse.
Yeah, what do you think's gonna happen when, if slash when, you know, there's a collapse?
I think it's funny too, there was a post I saw on Facebook.
And someone mentioned something about, I think they were talking about like Dogecoin.
And like the skyrocketing Dogecoin, you gotta buy this currency or buy that currency because the dollar is in serious trouble.
And then someone laughed saying like, you guys keep talking about some kind of like disaster collapse or civil war.
And they're like, where is it?
When's it gonna happen?
And the funniest thing about these comments that I keep hearing from people are like, where's the Civil War at, bro?
I'm like, aren't you the people obsessed with the storming of the Capitol on the 6th?
Like, clearly we're in the middle of something.
The dollar isn't hyperinflating, but it's inflating.
And the cost of goods is going way up.
Now the gold lumber ratio is coming together.
I don't know necessarily if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but we're seeing a dramatic shift in the economy in general.
And you know what the craziest thing is?
We've been trying to expand out here.
We've been trying to find companies so we can fix the barn outside where we're going to be doing events.
We can't get anybody to do it.
We can't find anybody.
Lumber is too expensive.
Steel is too expensive.
We're struggling to get things done.
And it's really, really annoying for me.
But there's a shortage.
We tried ordering new computer and new equipment so we can improve.
People have been saying, like, the sound has issues on the show.
We're like, we got to get the new equipment.
We can't get it in.
Something is happening and there is a shortage of goods and computer chips and merchandise and all of the stuff is going down.
And then you have these dumb people on the internet, hyper focused on whatever CNN tells them, totally ignoring whatever's happening around them.
Man, I can't imagine what it's going to be like for these people when the rug gets pulled out from underneath them.
bill ottman
That is alarming.
I mean, because as you know, you have resources to make these things happen.
So the fact that someone in your position cannot build out a barn to become like five companies and they're like, oh
tim pool
man, you know, it's still it's hard to get.
It's really expensive right now.
And I'm like, can you send people out?
Like, what do we got to do?
And then, and so even with like getting the website done, it's like it's, it's difficult to get things to move right
now.
Even with like digital, uh, with, with like software and stuff, it's just been very difficult to cross the board.
And I remember, like, we, uh, so one of the things, one of the issues we have, the studio that we're in is the highest point of the building.
And so it gets really hot.
Um, so we were supposed to get some kind of, like, wall-mounted AC unit that's ultra quiet to help circulate the air and keep it cool.
Company just never shows up.
Company doesn't show up.
They come out here like, oh, we're gonna get back to you.
They don't show up.
We had more work being done.
Company comes out one day, just gone the next.
Just don't show up.
And I'm like, what's happening?
Like, seriously, how?
I'm genuinely confused by this.
bill ottman
That feels like quiet before the storm type situation.
It really does.
tim pool
What are people doing to where the businesses aren't functioning properly?
So I ordered a new machine for this studio a month and a half ago.
When did I say, hey guys, good news, in a week we're gonna be getting a new machine.
lydia smith
Forever ago.
ian crossland
Something I don't remember.
tim pool
There's a chip shortage.
Oh, yeah.
And so they keep saying, we're really sorry about this.
Any day now, trust us.
And then we'll get it shipped out immediately and just nothing.
bill ottman
Well, I was talking to a guy who owns a Ford dealership in Norwalk, and he was saying that they just cannot get cars.
I mean, unbelievable.
It's like, you're trying to buy- the market is there, trying to buy something, and the supply is not in existence.
ian crossland
This is showing our softness, and our, like, padded walls, because it's not normal to have access to all that stuff like that.
tim pool
To Golden Age?
Well, right, that's my point.
ian crossland
We're symptoms of a Golden Age.
tim pool
No, no, no, my point is, we know it.
We're talking about it.
I've been watching this stuff in real time.
So, We are moderately prepared for some kind of serious downturn.
And I think it's funny that even after a year of a lockdown, you still have naysayers who are like, what are you, some kind of prepper?
It's like, bro, do you remember going to the store for toilet paper last year?
Do you have amnesia?
What's going on, bro?
Are you looking at the price of cryptocurrencies?
Dude, these things aren't just going up in value because people finally realized that they're a technology worth using.
It's because people are scared of the US dollar right now.
ian crossland
Dude, if you were on a beach and you saw a tsunami coming that was thousands of feet high, How would you react?
And I think that's what society people are doing in society right now.
And you'd have people walking out into the water like their brains would break their minds.
tim pool
Actually, being out in the ocean is a safe place to be.
You'd take your surfboard and dive it and ride it right Well, you don't want to be hit by a tsunami, but when there's boats that are a few miles out when the tsunami comes, they stay.
It goes under them or it goes past them.
ian crossland
When you're faced with the impending destruction of everything, how would you react?
And I think these people are kind of seeing it's such a big problem that their minds can't calculate it, and so they just ridicule.
tim pool
There's an interesting question.
I can't remember where it was posed, but they said, if you were sitting in Yunaka City, And you saw an ICBM coming right down, about to hit the downtown area from wherever you were.
Which direction would you run?
And the point was that if you truly understood the power and the range of the ICBM, you would run towards it.
You know why?
bill ottman
Because you'd be getting away from the blast radius?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Running towards the explosion.
bill ottman
Oh, I thought you meant the missile.
tim pool
Yeah, if you saw a missile heading towards your city, depending on how close you were to city center, you would probably want to run towards it.
You know why?
ian crossland
To get vaporized?
tim pool
To get vaporized!
Otherwise you could just sit there and get radiation burns and slowly melt and suffer for several hours.
So I remember, I think the New York Times did this where they talked about the blast radius of your standard ICBMs and they talked about the different kinds of missiles and there's the initial blast radius which vaporizes everything.
Then there's the melt radius where you would slowly just watch yourself melt in extreme suffering for like an hour.
And then outside of that is the radiation poisoning, where you get to live for a little while as your DNA fractures and cracks, and then you just suffer for a long time.
So, I just bring that up to your reference about a tsunami.
Depending on where you were, you can accept your fate and try and get it over with quickly, or you can run and try and survive.
It's tough.
It's hard to know what to do, but I think most people would just say, try and survive, always, no matter what.
ian crossland
But when you're faced with something where survival's not an option, and you're just like, okay, there it is.
This is it.
How do you respond?
Do you acknowledge it?
Do you still logically try and formulate a solution?
Can you?
tim pool
Or do you just break?
It's kind of a rhetorical question.
Have you ever seen that meme where it's a bell curve of IQ?
At the very back, it's this deranged-looking person who seems to be kind of messed up.
IQ zero, and they say God is real.
Then in the middle, it's the average IQ and it's a person saying, I'm an atheist.
And then all at the high end, it's a person with a gigantic brain saying God is real.
I think it's kind of like that.
I think a lot of really smart, I'm not saying religious, but like a lot of really smart and philosophically mature individuals would see the sun exploding and the wave coming towards them and they'd sit down and they'd close their eyes.
Then you'd have a lot of really dumb people who would probably sit down and be like, wow,
and they close their eyes.
And then you have a lot of average people who would be screaming and flailing and ranting,
not understanding what to do.
The midwits, the people of slightly above intelligence who know just enough, but not
ian crossland
enough.
They know enough to repeat what they've heard.
lydia smith
I think they're smart.
tim pool
Yeah.
bill ottman
It's crazy that like not even countries are sort of immune to all of this.
And so I think it'll be really interesting to see which countries adopt crypto and Bitcoin because the ones that do are going to lead the future.
That's just a fact.
It's a more resilient infrastructure.
It's better tech.
So if they just ignore the problem, they're going to get left behind.
tim pool
If I was a conspiracy theorist, if I was to push one, I would say that there's special interests that want a total collapse of the U.S.
and the global economy so that they could have some kind of reset.
ian crossland
Like a great reset?
tim pool
Yeah, maybe like a great reset that just resets global capitalism with a new system.
You would need a new currency, and obviously the authoritarians would want to be able to track every transaction, so they would need some kind of public ledger Like a chain of maybe like blocks where you can see each transaction.
Would you call it though?
Um, well because it's a reference to like, you know computers and chain block Well, no, no because it's a reference to computers, but also currency It would be something like byte or like bit and then like money or coins me like Bitcoin Bitcoin like that Yeah, that's what I would call it.
ian crossland
So you create a trackable currency and then wipe out fiat and put everyone on the trackable currency?
tim pool
Yeah, then you know what everyone is spending at all times.
Of course, people would try and create things like Monero.
They would try and use alternative currencies that retain value because they can't be duplicated.
But ultimately, I think Bitcoin is... I think Bitcoin's gonna hit a million bucks, and I think the reason it is because we need... I mean, the government would love to have this system, this global transfer of value that they can easily watch and everyone can watch, and it's the Panopticon.
bill ottman
It's in.
Yeah, there are benefits to them, but that's why they're going to be launching their own digital currency, digital currencies that are not Bitcoin, because they don't control Bitcoin is the reality.
There are surveillance benefits that they get from Bitcoin, but they don't.
Bitcoin empowers the people of the world.
Bitcoin is much more.
Bitcoin was not created by the government and conspiracy.
ian crossland
That's a fact.
tim pool
I gotta stop you right there, Bill, and tell you, the currency of the people is not Bitcoin.
bill ottman
Oh, here we go.
I'm ready to fight.
It's Dogecoin.
ian crossland
Can we get in the ring?
unidentified
Dogecoin.
tim pool
You don't think it's Dogecoin?
bill ottman
I think that it has really cool characteristics that are fun and of the people, but it's not architecturally built for the people.
It's architecturally built to screw people over.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
Alright, we'll talk about that.
But let me tell you this story.
Dogecoin is up 12,000% since January.
Here's how much money you'd make if you invested $1,000 in January.
If you bought Dogecoin at the beginning of the year, you've enjoyed massive gains over the past four months.
Dogecoin purchase on January 1st at a price of less than a cent per coin would be worth
$121,052 at Wednesday's high of 69 cents a gain of more than
12,000% my friend Dogecoin. Let's go to the moon If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
bill ottman
It probably will be physically put on the moon on a thumb drive.
I would not be surprised if he did that.
But hopefully he'll also put Bitcoin, maybe some Mines tokens.
Who knows?
unidentified
That'd be great.
tim pool
But you think Dogecoin is not it?
bill ottman
It's it's it for a purpose of entertainment.
It's a meme.
It's fun, but it's not it for like, you know, if you look at the the the code of it, it's not because it can it's inflating.
It's it's not maintained.
It's not really decentralized.
It's it's just it's not.
tim pool
So let's let's go one by one.
How is it not decentralized?
unidentified
OK, so it's like one guy owns the Bitcoin mining system.
bill ottman
I'm going to bring up the Federal Doge Reserve.
The government's going to seize the guy's mining servers and then... So I'm just going to run through like quick bullet points on Doge.
So Bitcoin is scarce.
There will only ever be 21 million.
Doge is infinite.
The system is on track to mint 14.4 million new Doge each day and 5.2 billion each year forever.
OK.
Bitcoin's issuance.
This is from this dude, Alex Gladstein, who knows a lot about Bitcoin.
Dogecoin's issuance is unpredictable and has been altered.
Bitcoin is decentralized as a result of robust architecture of full nodes.
Dogecoin is not decentralized.
Bitcoin has— How is it not decentralized?
Here's the other thing about Doge.
People are buying Doge on Robinhood.
Look, don't buy crypto on Robinhood.
You don't even own the crypto.
They're holding it.
You can't even get the crypto if you buy it on Robinhood.
So most people who are buying Doge are buying it on Robinhood.
They don't even actually own the crypto.
This is why you have to control your own wallet.
It's fine to use centralized exchanges to take custody of your crypto, but you need to set up your own wallet.
On Mines.com, if you check out our wallet, you set up Metamask, you control your keys, you control your crypto.
Coinbase wallet, you do own, you do control your keys.
That's a, that's a non-custodial wallet.
tim pool
Yeah.
bill ottman
But I mean, these things, like, so it's fun.
Doge is fun and it's a cool part of what's happening.
Like, I like Doge, but it's, it's not a good thing to be saying that... Can't they hard fork Doge?
And then... Why would you do that when you already have Bitcoin and Ethereum?
tim pool
Because Doge could be a currency.
bill ottman
So can... It is.
tim pool
Exactly.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So what do we hear?
KFC now takes Dogecoin.
ian crossland
Oakland A's are accepting Doge at KFC.
tim pool
This is what I'm saying.
It doesn't matter if it's a box of Kleenex.
If people have confidence that the Kleenex will get them a cheeseburger, they will clamor for it.
bill ottman
But you can't have confidence that Doge is going to retain its value.
tim pool
You can't have confidence the U.S.
dollar is going to retain its value.
bill ottman
But you can have confidence that Bitcoin is going to in the long term based on the structure of it.
tim pool
And gold.
And silver, or palladium, or whatever.
The thing about doge is that it is more like cash, and it has the confidence of the people for a very silly reason.
It doesn't matter.
People want it, and some people want to just have it for the sake of having it.
bill ottman
A lot do, and that's part of why it's retaining its value, because a lot of people are holding doge, and they're actually providing the liquidity for the market for all the whales who are dumping.
So, you know, the bag, you know, the retail, the people are getting left holding the bags of all the people dumping.
And it's just it's a joke.
Let it be a joke.
Don't like it really the structure.
It could be altered in the future to become better.
Like he was saying, you know, the code can be altered.
But there's not an active development team around Doge.
unidentified
Why not?
tim pool
There could be.
If you've got a building in the middle of Manhattan that's just falling apart, eventually someone's going to be like, this is prime real estate.
We can fix this up and make it something better because everybody wants to hang out.
bill ottman
Honestly, I hope so.
I hope that the development energy around Doge gets revitalized and like, you know, similar in the way that Ethereum is run.
So Bitcoin is arguably more decentralized than Ethereum.
But the cool thing about Ethereum is that it keeps innovating.
And they have decentralized governance.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What are they doing now?
We were just talking about the other day that in July, they're going to start deflating the currency or something.
bill ottman
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
bill ottman
They're introducing a new proposal which burns the base fee to the miners for all the transactions.
So there will be a deflationary force in Ethereum.
tim pool
So that means Ethereum will just start skyrocketing in value.
bill ottman
Who knows?
It would be a pressure point to cause it to.
The thing about Ethereum is there's so much developer energy.
There's so many decentralized apps like mines that are leveraging the Ethereum network.
And we integrate Bitcoin as well.
But, you know, Doge doesn't have that energy.
It's fun.
But it would be nothing without Elon.
Let's be, let's be real.
It would not, he is the one fueling it.
tim pool
He's gonna go on, he's gonna go on SNL.
He's gonna, people think he's gonna do a Dogecoin skit.
It's gonna hit a buck and then the whales are gonna bail out.
unidentified
Yes.
bill ottman
So get ready for that and time it.
Honestly, sell before SNL.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
bill ottman
Not financially.
tim pool
I'm not I'm not gonna give up.
Yeah, no advice to anybody.
Why does everyone say that?
Because you get sued or something?
bill ottman
You probably don't have to.
I don't know.
tim pool
Everyone just says it.
Yeah, it's a meme in and of itself.
Here's what I'd say.
If you can afford to keep your doge, you should.
In 2014, that's when Doge came out, right?
Was it 2014?
bill ottman
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I had, at some point, I don't remember when, on some exchange, I had thousands of Doge.
And I was laughing how stupid it was.
And everyone was laughing, and it was a joke, and it was like, such currency, such crypto, wow, and everyone was like, haha, memes, memes, memes.
And then I was like, whatever, and I lost them, I have no idea where any of these coins are.
Now, it's worth, you know, 60 cents or whatever, and I'm like, it'd be sure great to know what happened to those coins, but I said that about everything.
I had a computer with, like, Bitcoin on it, got destroyed and didn't care, and just threw it away, because it was like a dollar worth of Bitcoin that's now worth, like, a couple hundred thousand dollars, and it's all gone.
So that's why I'm like, you know what?
At this point, there were some other currencies that I had purchased a decent amount of, like, way back in the day.
Because I was like, at some point in a few years, one of these currencies might go from, like, one cent to five cents, and I'll be really happy.
And then I just got paper hands.
And I was like, nah, I just rather have Bitcoin.
And I switched all the back to Bitcoin.
And while Bitcoin has performed beautifully over the past several years, there are some currencies that I wish I held on to.
Because the gains were from like one cent to like a dollar, which is way better than Bitcoin was.
So now I'm just kind of like, you know, man, Maybe we're seeing the Dogecoin meme-ification or whatever, but I'll tell you this.
I'm gonna keep it.
bill ottman
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I just like having them.
unidentified
Why not?
bill ottman
You're not gonna make the same mistake.
You made the mistake before, so you don't wanna make the same mistake again.
tim pool
I also don't have so much Doge that I'm gonna, like, become rich off of it.
Or, like, become poor off of it.
It's like, maybe if I had 10 million Doge or something, I'd sell and be like, I don't wanna play that game.
But I don't.
I have very little.
You know, most people probably only a little bit anyway.
bill ottman
That's sort of the thing that is sort of a sickness in the crypto space is actually people just trying to get 10 X's.
Right.
And they're manipulators.
You know, the thing that I love about crypto is that you're sort of voting with your resources.
So I don't like to participate in tokens that I just think that their value is going to go up.
It's not.
Why are you giving energy to that?
So I'm not saying never, you know, maybe there's a place for it, but bro, Bitcoin is changing how society works.
And that's why it's an amazing thing to put your money into it because you're, you're helping that happen.
tim pool
We should set up Doge ATMs.
bill ottman
That's a good idea.
I wouldn't be surprised.
ian crossland
It's so fake.
It's such trash.
It's a trash coin.
It's the ultimate trash coin.
Elon Musk is the ultimate troll.
He's hilarious.
I love him.
tim pool
Do you think Elon has like a billion doge?
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
bill ottman
His kids are mining it.
tim pool
Oh really?
ian crossland
So you said doge isn't decentralized.
bill ottman
Well, it's, you know, there are miners, but so it is partially decentralized, but it's not nothing compared to Bitcoin.
ian crossland
So it's a variant scale of how decentralized is this token whenever you're looking at a crypto?
bill ottman
Right.
ian crossland
And certain cryptos are more or less like, are there cryptos that are completely centralized or like one person can print?
bill ottman
That's what a digital dollar would be.
tim pool
So here's the problem I see with Bitcoin, though.
Only 21 million coins can ever come into existence, right?
Yeah, a lot of them are already gone because when Bitcoin was valueless, people didn't care and lost them.
Like that famous guy who was searching a dumpster for a trash dump for his hard drive because it had like... Oh man, by now that hard drive's probably worth like $100, $200 million.
But it was like, it's worth now $2 million.
He needs to go find that hard drive with his coins on it.
So there is just the natural decay of Bitcoin.
bill ottman
That's good.
So that's deflationary.
tim pool
But right.
So over a long enough period of time, there won't be enough Bitcoin.
bill ottman
You just you can split it up into 100 million units.
Satoshi, which is the smallest unit of Bitcoin, will just appreciate in value.
So it's not I don't think that the there's there's plenty of divisibility within Bitcoin.
tim pool
So if Bitcoin became universally adopted around the planet with, you know, 8 billion people and people need to trade with it every day, then Satoshi would have to be worth somewhere around like a nickel.
bill ottman
He has a million Bitcoin or something.
tim pool
Satoshi?
bill ottman
Satoshi.
tim pool
Satoshi.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So and it's never moved.
bill ottman
It's never moved.
And it's very important that it's never moved.
tim pool
Why is that?
bill ottman
Well, because if people started to see the creator, you know, getting paper hands, that wouldn't be good.
tim pool
Well, so imagine Bitcoin becomes universally used, right?
One Satoshi would have to be around the value of a nickel or so, as it stands today, to be able to participate in a general marketplace or labor.
Theoretically, it could be around a penny per Satoshi, but I think people don't really use pennies all that much.
But there's a lot of countries where a penny probably does have a lot more value.
bill ottman
It doesn't really matter if we're using the smallest unit like in comparison to, you know, a fiat comparable.
I think like right now, the Bitcoin market is like a little over a trillion.
The gold market cap, for reference, is 10 trillion.
So if the Bitcoin market just gets to what gold is, then we're at like 500k per Bitcoin.
So you just start thinking about Bitcoin as like eating away at where resources are stored.
All we need to do is 10x.
To get at gold.
And then if you start bringing in all different financial instruments.
tim pool
So $500,000 per Bitcoin.
bill ottman
If it 10Xs.
tim pool
I think Bitcoin will be a million bucks.
bill ottman
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
I think sooner than people realize.
bill ottman
There's a model called the stock-to-flow model, which is like the model of Bitcoin.
Because every four years, there's this thing called the halving, which is where the miner... The havening?
Either.
tim pool
Is it having?
bill ottman
Either.
People say both.
But so the rewards to all the miners drop in half.
So, you know, it's based on more scarcity.
It's more.
No, no, no.
It's just the ongoing rewards that they get for mining drop in half.
So, you know, they don't necessarily sell, but it just creates more scarcity.
And historically, there have been two halvings so far.
And after each halving, you know, over the last 10 years, you've seen an order of magnitude.
And so the stock to flow model shows that, you know, over the next 15 years, it's going to be order of magnitude.
tim pool
When's the next halvening?
bill ottman
It was just a couple of years ago.
So it's like in a couple of years.
tim pool
Oh, OK.
bill ottman
So then... Or maybe not in a couple of years.
tim pool
It's going to effectively double.
So people often ask, what backs Bitcoin's value?
And I don't know if this is like an archaic understanding, but it's the energy used to produce it.
So if somebody is mining Bitcoin and it costs them, you know, $60,000 to mine one Bitcoin, they're not going to sell it for less than the cost of the production.
So then they'll put it on the market and say, I got to get at least 61K and probably more than that.
And then people who want to buy it because they want to use it are going to have to pay the price of what the miners are asking for.
bill ottman
Yeah.
And it's potentially going to do great things for sustainable energy.
Like people say, oh, Bitcoin uses so much energy.
It's like an environmental disaster, which it does use a lot of energy.
It's a worth it.
tim pool
Is it kind of arbitrary?
Is Ethereum better?
bill ottman
Well, it's not better or worse.
They're different technologies for different purposes.
I mean, you build apps on top of Ethereum.
Bitcoin is just like the juggernaut.
Godfather of ledger for global monetary transactions.
That's all that it needs to be.
And there are like layer two things happening so that there will be other, you know, apps potentially on Bitcoin.
But, you know, it's it's just crazy that this is happening.
tim pool
It's actually like, you know, you think it's going to help the energy situation?
bill ottman
Well, because people like energy can be converted into Bitcoin.
So like there's, you know, if you have a landfill and there's like methane overflow, like you could potentially throw a mine on top of that.
tim pool
I got it.
You know what we should do?
We should create power plants that recycle the heat from mining Bitcoin to boiling water and spinning turbines.
Or we can put GPUs in people's homes that mine Bitcoin and the radiant heat will heat their rooms.
ian crossland
It's called Exergy.
It's an actual project where your computer heats water tanks.
Bill and I actually visited a guy in New York that was working on this.
And then the tubes will go through your house, these hot water tubes.
tim pool
To cool down.
ian crossland
Warm or cool the house, yeah.
tim pool
Well, so you need to cool your computer.
Your CPU and your GPU need to be cooled.
And so the heat we want for warmth, the computer wants the cold.
So, hey, there you go.
ian crossland
A lot of people say, like, Facebook has servers in the Arctic.
And then, dude, that heat is valuable.
You just need to recover it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People want to heat their homes.
Let's just do it with Bitcoin mining.
So in winter, you make money.
You're like, ooh, it's getting gold.
Better make some Bitcoin.
Crank it up.
bill ottman
Yeah.
No, I predict mining rigs in this compound in the next few years.
tim pool
This compound?
I don't think so.
bill ottman
No?
Why?
unidentified
It's easy.
I don't know.
bill ottman
Just throw up a computer.
You know, have fun.
Mine some doge.
It costs money.
Yeah, but you can figure it out.
Mine some doge.
There's an ROI.
tim pool
So what's Ethereum as proof of stake, though?
How do you generate?
bill ottman
Well, they're not proof of stake yet.
unidentified
Right.
bill ottman
So they're transitioning.
The Ethereum blockchain is still proof of work, like Bitcoin, so these miners.
tim pool
So how many Ethereum are there?
unidentified
How much Ethereum is there?
bill ottman
It's harder to pinpoint the exact supply in Ethereum.
It is sort of limited.
I don't know the actual number.
And a lot of people criticize Ethereum for that reason.
But that doesn't mean that it's very inflationary, just the way that it's set up.
It's harder to pinpoint the exact numbers at any given time.
But they're bringing in this deflationary force.
The proof of stake is basically where there are validator nodes all over the world that people run the machines.
You can run on your laptop.
And if you have 32 ETH, you can stake that ETH into that validator node and basically earn... It generates more ETH?
Yeah, you earn ETH for staking ETH into validator nodes.
tim pool
Is it generating it or is it a fee that you're getting from the existing amount of ETH?
bill ottman
Both.
ian crossland
Both?
bill ottman
Well, miners... I might be wrong here, but miners are earning fees for all the transactions that are happening in the network.
That's gas and Ethereum and Bitcoin miners.
Actually, in Bitcoin, after all of the mining rewards are over, which is in like 100 years or something, then fees are going to be...
Rewarding all of the miners, but that's how it works in aetherium now, but there are there are also aetherium that are are getting created as well So it is yeah, I'm looking here.
ian crossland
It says that there's whereas there's 18 million bitcoins.
There's a hundred and fifteen million aetheriums and a hundred and twenty nine billion currently right now Yeah.
unidentified
115,768,000.
ian crossland
There's already 18 million Bitcoin.
Yeah.
tim pool
18 million.
bill ottman
But it's going to take like 100 years to finish it because it gets harder.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
And then underneath the Ethereum, it doesn't have like it has a scale of how far along, how many of them have been built.
Although you're saying it takes longer, the closer you get to the final point.
It doesn't have one for Ethereum.
I'm at coinmarketcap.com.
This is where I go to check out the crypto lists.
It doesn't say so.
Ethereum doesn't.
They don't say how many they're going to print in the long run.
bill ottman
No, I don't think so.
But they also have a deflationary force in it, so it's pulling the supply down.
tim pool
How stupid are these NFTs, man?
bill ottman
How stupid is art?
unidentified
You're not buying the art.
bill ottman
In certain cases you are, like Christie's, like the famous auction house, is actually combining the physical art with the NFT.
Along with it, which is sort of like a certificate of ownership of the physical art.
unidentified
Right.
bill ottman
So you can combine them.
ian crossland
Did you ever see the beer bottle that had, if you used your smartphone over it and it scanned it, it became like a movie?
Like the image on the beer bottle label would animate and start moving?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
If you had a crypto token that could give you that authorization.
So if you moused over, you went over like a piece of art and you had that NFT token, You'd be able to see the movie.
tim pool
But what I mean is a lot of people were like, I'm going to buy this piece of art on the Internet.
And then like a day later, it didn't work anymore because the server that was hosting it was gone.
bill ottman
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
NFT was just a URL.
bill ottman
So that can be fixed.
So NFTs are like a token on a blockchain that reference, they can reference a piece of art or a file.
tim pool
Snoop Dogg's selling a bunch or something.
bill ottman
So depending on where the token on the blockchain is referencing that file, like you can reference
the file on Arweave or IPFS or different like decentralized immutable file systems as well.
But there are a bunch of NFTs that are referencing like Amazon.
So if it goes down, then the NFT, yeah.
tim pool
You see the disaster girl meme?
bill ottman
No.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
So she sold it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So it's like, you know, the photo was like a fire as a little girl and she's like smiling at the camera.
She sold it for like $470K.
Yeah.
Was it her photo?
Was it her family's photo?
Do they get the rights to the photo now?
They could distribute it?
bill ottman
Right.
Did she just take it?
Did someone else take the photo and then she just sold it because it was hers?
tim pool
Did someone buy the ownership of the photo, meaning that they can license it out now to news outlets who want to use it?
bill ottman
It's a good question.
I mean, there's a copyright chaos that is coming with NFTs because people are acting like it represents ownership of stuff that they probably don't actually own.
But the thing about NFTs is that they can be used for other things, like they could be used for an insurance product.
An NFT is just a non-fungible token, which is just one of it, as opposed to fungible tokens like Mines tokens, mines.com slash token, which, you know, you can create a token and there are many of one.
tim pool
Yeah, and they're all interchangeable.
bill ottman
So when you think about financial markets, depending on the type of asset, a non-fungible might make more sense.
So the idea in itself does make sense.
tim pool
The craziest thing with Ethereum, why I think Ethereum is...
Well, let me slow down.
Bitcoin is probably going to be worth a ridiculous amount of money because it's digital gold.
It's a digital asset that can't be copied and it's a way to store value.
Ethereum has functions that people don't even realize yet.
So what's interesting, you mentioned Mines tokens.
There are a lot of social networks.
We've been sponsored by PocketNet in the past, and they have their own kind of cryptocurrency, and they're a decentralized social network.
But a lot of these other... I've had conversations with other networks.
I'm not going to name them, because I don't want to get anybody mad or deride anyone.
But I'm like, okay, so you're a social media site, and you have a cryptocurrency.
What does it do?
And they can't give me an answer.
If you produce content on the site, you get access.
And I'm like, right, what does a token do?
You can trade it for money.
Why would anyone want it?
Minds, on the other hand, a token is how you buy views, is how you boost posts, how you buy ads.
So the value of a mind's token, M-I-N-D-S, is predicated upon the robustness of the mind's audience.
So if you sell, I don't know, communist pillows and Minds has, you know, millions upon millions of users, I would like to get my ridiculous communist pillow in front of these individuals.
I need a Minds token to be able to purchase that.
bill ottman
Yeah, we've been all about grounding it in real tangible value.
So like actually, in addition to that, when you help stake liquidity into the network, you get passive boosts.
So there's this like special boost slot on the main newsfeed on the sidebar that all it does is rotate liquidity providers.
So everybody who's in that gets, based on their share of the liquidity pool, gets rotation, basically free advertising.
So yeah, I mean, it's all about real value.
tim pool
This makes sense.
Why would someone want a Minds token?
Well, if you would like to buy, if you'd like to boost your content so you can get more followers and build a following, if you would like to get more views in your content, which in turn can help you generate more tokens, you buy the tokens, you boost.
It's interesting because I'm looking at like Google Ads, for instance.
Why would I spend money boosting or promoting content on Google or Facebook?
Well, because then we get more audience, and then later on, we get more revenue from ads when we serve content back to people.
And that's similar for what the Minds token does.
Ethereum provides the ability for these things to function, for real exchanges of value, which means out of all the social networks where you could be producing something and making an earning, it's like basically YouTube and Minds.
There's because, look, there's a bunch of platforms where it's like, oh, you can earn tokens and they're worth something.
But I always ask people, like, why do the tokens have value?
And there's nothing really backing it.
That worries me.
It makes me feel like it's not worth the investment.
But if Mines keeps growing and getting more users, then there's a more likely advertisers will say, hey, we got a network here of millions of people.
And as the technology expands, it's worth holding these tokens.
But beyond this, I don't want to just, you know, shout out mines, mind you.
I read this really great article, they talked about how ERC-20 tokens can be used for self-driving cars.
They can be used to authenticate certain... They can track, on a ledger, which car is interacting with who, and use cryptocurrencies, essentially, as a way to map out self-driving vehicles in this massive national or international grid.
So your car comes into contact with another car and there's an exchange and that helps them decide which way to go left, right, up, down.
And then they have a ledger where they can see every single car and they just use a blockchain to do it.
bill ottman
Yeah, I mean, point being, look for real value in the crypto projects that you're supporting.
And, you know, yeah, there are meme projects that are fun.
ian crossland
Dogecoin.
bill ottman
Yeah, and there is value in that.
I mean, the amount of energy that's coming into crypto because of Doge, like, that's bringing in retail investors.
That is super important.
So it's not black or white, like if Doge is good or bad, but like, don't buy Doge on Robinhood.
Like you can never pull out your tokens.
And that's just like Robinhood.
tim pool
It's just for speculation, isn't it?
bill ottman
It's just for speculation.
unidentified
Yeah.
bill ottman
But you can get Doge in certain places and get the tokens.
tim pool
Gemini now has Doge.
bill ottman
Yeah, I think you can probably pull them off Gemini.
tim pool
You can, you definitely can.
bill ottman
Okay, good.
tim pool
Well, I want to say on Gemini, you can buy crypto and then transfer it to your other wallets.
I'm assuming it's true for Doge.
I would assume so.
The Ledger?
ian crossland
You can get a cold storage one and store it on Ledger, I believe.
I could be wrong about that.
Yeah, Metamask, I don't know.
tim pool
Do you know what the scariest thing about cryptocurrency is?
If you accidentally send your crypto to the wrong address.
ian crossland
It disappears forever.
bill ottman
I know, you do test transactions for a large amount.
tim pool
It is scary.
Dude, sweating.
I count, and I say, J, J, N, N, capital X, capital X, one, one.
And I'm like, there's a lot of money to lose!
ian crossland
I look at the first four letters in the alphanumeric, and the last four, and if they're the same, then I breathe easy that I copied and pasted.
tim pool
What if the I is actually a one?
ian crossland
A lowercase l. You're making me nervous, Tim.
tim pool
What if you're like, that's got to be a, is that an L or an I?
ian crossland
It's funny to think that.
bill ottman
Uppercase I. If the last three characters are the same, the chances are almost, I just look at the end.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I've not, I've not actually had any, any, any problems with this.
ian crossland
Yeah, me neither.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Your money's your money.
It's up to you to protect it and control it.
I mean, it's removing banks.
bill ottman
They are rolling out this thing called a social recovery where basically, you know, to prevent people losing millions of dollars.
So basically you would be able to pick Like five people where if you do lose your device, if a certain level of consensus is met, then you can recover even if you lose your keys.
So it's sort of like this.
tim pool
So it's like giving your giving your like next door neighbor keys to your house.
bill ottman
Yeah.
So, but, but giving multiple and they all have to like convene and like agree.
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like your, your closest friends have wallets or whatever, and they can say, we know we, we, we, we back up, you know, but they can't like, you know, have mutiny.
bill ottman
Like basically you would have to signal.
I'm not exactly sure, sure that all the mechanics, but you know, I think that that that's a major UX problem in crypto that I think will get solved eventually.
unidentified
Word.
tim pool
How about we... Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Regarding the Mines token, I want to integrate it into... I don't want to pump Mines too much right now, but hey, you're here, and I'm glad.
I want to talk about it a little bit.
tim pool
Integrate it into the Fediverse project, because like you were saying, the utility, one token is a thousand views on Mines, but if we extrapolate that to all these new networks where you can interchangeably use the token... Well, so we were talking about creating an open source package that you can install on your WordPress site that gives you a subscription feature.
So any person could effectively have their own kind of Patreon without having to pay an exorbitant fee to, you know, 10% or whatever.
Like, people don't realize when you sign up for these subscription services, you're giving like 10 or 15% of your revenue to this company, and you could seriously just get your own WordPress site for dirt cheap.
It's not that expensive.
But I understand a lot of people like, how do I set up a subscription thing?
Okay, well, we'll make this thing you instantly install, and it just turns your site into a social media page.
And then we were talking about incorporating crypto, and there would be a big benefit with having it interact with the Minds network, simply because there's already users there, which means, assuming we get this up and running in some meaningful time, maybe it'll take forever, maybe it'll be fast, you could be a random person who's like, I'm going to make a website for my content.
How do I get the word out for my content?
Well, there's already a network that exists, so if this content can integrate and appear on Minds through the Fediverse, then you instantly, on your own website, are getting promotion in a network.
And then, in turn, people can subscribe to the Members Only section of your site by using Minds tokens.
Or something.
ian crossland
And then people could be like, I'll send you a token if you show my ad on your site for a thousand views.
That's already built in.
I think the peer-to-peer stuff.
tim pool
It just means that your site could have display ads that could be functioning on the Minds Boost network.
So it's integrated with a crypto token already.
bill ottman
But also just to shout out the Fediverse a little bit more and explain to people the dimensions of it.
So the two main dimensions of it that I can see are ActivityPub, which Mastodon uses, and then there's Matrix, which is also federated.
We actually just launched a Matrix end-to-end encrypted chat, which can federate with other Matrix nodes.
So if you go to chat.minds.com or you can download the Minds chat at minds.com slash mobile.
It's all these servers that are connecting, enabling communications to not be able to go down.
So ActivityPub allows social networks to connect so you can post from one to another.
Matrix Protocol enables it so I can message you on my server or a server that I'm a part of on another server and it can't go down.
So, you know, yeah, I see creators.
tim pool
And it's end-to-end, right?
bill ottman
It's end-to-end, yeah.
tim pool
Which means you don't have any of the information.
bill ottman
No, that's the thing, man.
We don't want people's private information.
Having access to people's private messages, why?
Why would a company ever want that?
tim pool
Why would Facebook and Twitter want that?
ian crossland
So weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
bill ottman
Dude, they're having wars.
tim pool
Face CIA book.
bill ottman
I mean, yeah, it's...
tim pool
Yeah, cause I wonder.
So I send myself messages on Facebook when I'm like, if there's a story or something, I'll just like send it to myself so that it's there.
It's easy.
And I was looking at it, you know, a couple weeks ago, and there was like a bunch of yellow boxes like, this post has been removed for a violation of community standards or whatever.
bill ottman
Private chat?
tim pool
To myself!
bill ottman
Oh my god.
tim pool
Facebook goes in my messages to myself and removed some stories.
ian crossland
They're Facebook's messages to Facebook's self.
tim pool
You were just there to be the corpus to... You want to see something really crazy?
When I went to Venezuela, I had to flee the country because I got accused of being a spy by Venezuelan Glenn Beck.
When I came back, I got a message on Facebook from a friend I hadn't spoken to in like five years.
And he was like, yo, what's going on?
The FBI just called me.
You need to call me back right now.
And I was like, what?
And I was in, I was in New York.
So I called him.
No, he doesn't answer.
I call him again.
He doesn't answer.
I call him again.
He doesn't answer.
So then a couple hours later he calls me back and he's like, Tim?
And I'm like, yeah, he's like, uh, what's up?
You called?
And I was like, yeah, what happened?
FBI called you?
And he goes, what?
Yeah, you messaged me on Facebook, bro.
What are you talking about, dude?
I haven't talked to you in like five years.
And I was like, shut up, dude.
And so I took a picture of the Facebook message and he was like, dude, I did not send you that.
So I talked to some InfoSec experts and they were saying that they thought they think what happened was the Venezuelan government or some actors working with the Venezuelan government injected Facebook so that on my end, a message would appear.
They wanted me to make a phone call so that their cell towers could pinpoint my location in the country.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
But I was in New York!
I left a long time ago, but they thought I was still there.
Creepy, right?
Dude, it's crazy stuff.
I bet I actually still have that message.
ian crossland
That's behind-the-scenes content.
tim pool
I bet I can go pull it up.
Yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it for the bonus episode.
I'll see if I can pull it up.
No joke, it happened.
lydia smith
It's probably not still there.
tim pool
No, I bet it is.
lydia smith
You think so?
tim pool
Yeah!
My messages from my friends on Facebook, they're there forever.
I'll look into it.
Because I still don't talk to this friend all that often.
bill ottman
They're there forever, except for when they delete them.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
All right, we're going to read some Super Chats.
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And it's the best way to help out.
And again, you know what we're going to do?
I'm going to see if I can find this message.
Yeah, I'm going to see if I can find it.
And we'll have it for the bonus segment coming up around 11 o'clock tonight.
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It really, really is.
I'll tell you, there's a couple things about Stripe which is awesome.
For one, a lot of people don't like PayPal.
Stripe, mechanically, as a service, I'm really impressed.
But more importantly, the higher-ups at Stripe are on Twitter, and I like, I tweet at them, and they respond.
And so I've had like, yeah, I'm having issues.
Like, we got you, buddy.
Don't worry about it.
I'm like, that is so relieving.
Like, because PayPal is a big, just gigantic.
bill ottman
Yeah.
I think the Collison brothers founded Stripe.
Yeah, they're pretty cool.
I'm pretty sure they're big fans of Quillette, which I think is an indicator that, you know, they're open.
Yeah.
tim pool
And Locals uses Stripe.
bill ottman
Yeah, we use Stripe for the cash online as well.
tim pool
Yeah, the fact that I can just, like, shoot a tweet at somebody and then, like, that's huge.
So anyway, that's available now.
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Let's read some Super Chats.
And again, smash that like button.
B. Anderson says, I know it's off topic, but please shout out.
I started a fundraiser for my cat who broke her leg on GoFundMe search, Surgery for Fish by Ballard A. Oh man, really?
lydia smith
Poor fish.
tim pool
Surgery for Fish.
I think we're gonna have to make sure that this kitty gets all of the help kitty needs.
Surgery for Fish.
GoFundMe.
There we go.
Let's see what we got here.
We're going to make sure.
Help, Kylo.
Oh, uh-oh.
Fish the pup?
I thought you said it was a cat.
No, that's a dog.
I searched for surgery for fish, but a dog came up.
lydia smith
Let me look up the person.
unidentified
Ballard A. Surgery for fish.
tim pool
Ballard A. Found it!
Kitty needs $3,149.
I guarantee you by tonight, this will be completed.
You have my word.
I'm not asking anybody else to make any donations.
If you would like to, there is a kitty who broke Kitty's leg.
I don't know if Kitty, I don't want to misgender Kitty.
So, um, we're going to make sure Kitty makes it.
Earlier today, uh, so we, we got tick medicine for Bucko and he's been licking nonstop his skin off.
lydia smith
He has a bandana.
tim pool
So we gave him a little neckerchief.
I put it on him so that he can't, you know, lick it.
I saw him today.
We had the electricians come out.
And this cat walks up right behind the rear tire and then lays down right in front of it.
And I'm like...
Try to get up, walk out, move the cat.
Because if the dude gets in the truck and the cat's laying there, it's going to be like a split second.
ian crossland
In the winter, they'll crawl up in the engine to stay warm.
Don't let them out in the winter.
tim pool
Yeah, so we keep an eye on the kitties.
Anyway, Ballard, we will make sure that your cat is taken care of.
ian crossland
Just shout out to Bucko.
There's a very cute picture of Bucko on Lydia's Instagram.
tim pool
With his little neckerchief.
lydia smith
He is so handsome with his little neckerchief.
I had to take a picture of him and he came and snuggled with me yesterday.
He's just my best pal.
tim pool
Heywood says Doge is nothing.
I put 15k into Cardano ADA in May of last year.
Guess how much I have now?
What was it May of last year?
Like, a few cents?
ian crossland
Six cents?
I don't know, that's a guess.
tim pool
A dollar seventy?
Wow.
Yeah, so uh, Trips, you have a lot of money.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Ryan Brown says, how much trouble did you have in getting fit for the blades you have?
I'm happy to see you tried it.
Didn't know Brandon Tatum was a blader before.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Getting the, what do you mean in getting fit for the blades that I have?
Like getting them to fit?
I'll tell you one thing, it's really annoying how aggressive in line, they like just fit terribly.
It's like just awful.
Why is that?
I don't know.
I'm annoyed by all of them.
Like these things just suck to wear.
bill ottman
You got some though?
tim pool
I got a bunch.
bill ottman
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh nice.
What size are you?
tim pool
Me? 10.
bill ottman
All right, I'm gonna try.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, no, I got like 10 pairs.
We also got some bikes too.
You want a BMX?
We gotta get scooters next.
I love scooters.
I'm just excited to have all the different disciplines.
And so one of the things is the ground outside is really bad.
So it destroys the wheels of rollerblades.
And skateboarding is really hard to skate on it because it's just like really old asphalt that's broken up and there's pebbles everywhere.
Yeah, it's kind of brutal.
ian crossland
I guess we could repave.
tim pool
It'd be a lot of money, but we might need to.
It'd just take a long time.
But for bikes, that's one.
bill ottman
I think you can do these thin coats, which aren't like a full pave.
tim pool
Yeah, just like seal it.
bill ottman
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm excited for the BMX stuff because you can ride on it really easily.
And then we had Mike, Mike Feeney jumped over the Tesla last week.
It was a lot of fun.
He's a cool dude.
He's a cool dude.
ian crossland
He's inspired me to get on the bike.
tim pool
All right, Azir says, hey Tim, love the show.
I'm currently saving up money to travel around and cover protests, riots, rallies, etc.
Would you be interested in footage?
How can I contact if you would like to work together?
Pitches at timcast.com.
But I must warn you, we are just trying as hard as we can to grow and build and it's like we are bursting at the seams.
I wish we could move faster than we could, but you lose quality control if you just start hiring willy-nilly.
So we need administrative help to start the process.
And I'm really worried about the Peter Principle.
What's that?
I think it's the Peter Principle, where people hire people who are lower skilled than them until eventually you hire a bunch of really awful people.
So the idea is you always want to be hiring people who you think are better than you.
bill ottman
There's these questions that Peter tells, speaking of Peter, that he always asks to people that he's hiring, which one of them is, you know, what is your most contrarian belief? So, but
those questions I think are for anyone hiring are worth looking up because he knows how to hire
people. That guy's an animal.
tim pool
You want to hire people that are going to be really, really great and be better than you and
Take over.
You want people who want to take your job from you.
For real.
Not in a cutthroat way, in an ambitious, like, but make it stuff.
ian crossland
So the job is no longer needed.
I mean, that's the idea is so that we can remove ourselves from the company.
It'll keep functioning.
bill ottman
Just people who can be independent and intuitive like that.
That's who I like to hire.
I mean, that's why I always love working with Ian because he figures it out.
He just and people who can figure it out without having to be able to told what without having to be told what to do.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Spencer Henry says the ATF murdered 86 people in Waco.
That is all.
That's right.
And you want something crazy?
My dad's side of the family from Waco.
Oh, yeah.
Samuel Bonin says, putting together my game dev portfolio to submit, but wanted to gear something towards Timcast.
Would you rather a demo for a ghost haunting game for the new podcast or a news tycoon kind of game?
How are you at first person shooters?
Because we have probably one of the most controversial ideas for a game that I don't think I've ever publicly talked about, but privately, everyone's been like, oof.
Oh, I like that one.
But we need someone who can do a very simple FPS, and it's going to be controversial, but I imagine the NRA is going to be like, we would like to promote this and have this be available.
Actually, they'd probably be like, get away from us, you're controversial.
ian crossland
Did you ever see the game Superhot?
tim pool
Yes, that game's awesome.
ian crossland
Kind of makes me think of a game like Superhot.
That game's rad.
tim pool
Have you played VR version of it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
VR Superhot.
ian crossland
I will, if you have it.
tim pool
So it's like you're standing there, and there are these wire-framed dudes, and they'll shoot at you, and then you literally dodge, and the bullet goes, like, vroom, past your head.
ian crossland
Like, time only moves when you move.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's really, really awesome.
tim pool
So it's like, you'll see a shotgun blast, and you'll be like, whoa!
Trying to, like, dodge it.
And you can also, I think you can throw stuff at the bullets.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And, like, swat them and stuff.
ian crossland
It's really cool.
tim pool
So it's like, you can deflect it with your guns.
It's coming at you, and you go, you're like, if you move too fast, they move faster, the faster you move.
So you can, like, swat it.
There's also a really fun game for Oculus.
I forgot what it's called.
It's like a robot VR game where you're fighting robots and you can pick them up and throw them.
I love that game.
Dude, VR is awesome.
Down in the skate park, where we have the basketball hoop, we also have a VR set with a bunch of those games.
The challenge is if you run to the left too much, you'll go up the vertical wall and so you don't want to do that.
bill ottman
Have you considered getting one of the straps?
Straps, yeah.
So you can only go a certain range, like not too far out of range.
tim pool
You can draw it so that if you move too far the whole thing turns red.
But what I'd love to get is one of those stands where you're strapped in and then you can actually run in place.
ian crossland
Jump and dock and you have haptic feedback vest where if you get hit you can feel it.
And like the gloves.
bill ottman
Do you think it'll get to a point where you're wearing VR to work during the day?
tim pool
Uh, what do you mean?
bill ottman
Like, just, you know, as opposed to looking at your monitor, just, like, being in VR.
tim pool
I think so, yeah.
Especially now.
Because, uh, because of COVID, people are working remotely.
So, one of the problems with remote working is that we're sitting here looking at these little screens, and it's really hard to build a culture.
And what you need to understand about building culture in the workplace and why I don't want to hire anybody remote.
I want people who want to work here.
They got to be out here because they got to be in the space.
For one thing, you'll be in the vlog.
And the other thing is we need to just be sitting next to each other so that if someone's like, I just got a crazy idea.
What if we bought a hot air balloon?
If you're sitting in your apartment and you're on a Zoom meeting, and the meeting ends, and then you go, ooh, hot air balloon.
Anyway, and you go back to eating your Cheetos, the idea goes nowhere.
But if you're hanging out in the house and people are bouncing around ideas and they're playing video games, you're sharing all of these ideas and creating an opportunity to just write things down and plan for stuff.
The more the merrier, you know?
To a certain point.
ian crossland
If we could throw in contacts and then be doing this, but all of a sudden we're on a stage, a virtual stage, and we can see everyone on Super Chat in the audience, And they're throwing stuff at us.
Yeah, definitely.
And they're throwing tomatoes.
But the problem is, if you're going to take a video of us, how would we see them?
They'd have to have video cameras on them and that sort of thing.
tim pool
So imagine, what I want to get at is this.
Imagine if you have a table at home and you put on your VR headset and then you can see your co-workers sitting in front of you.
And then you interact as if you were a mirror.
bill ottman
There are some shared spaces that are getting set up like that now.
ian crossland
It's just about contacts instead of VR helmets so you can see the face.
bill ottman
Yeah, you just need both.
Like, I could see going in, but then you want to be out.
ian crossland
Dude, have you ever spent long periods of time in VR?
tim pool
Long periods?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Like, I've seen videos of people that have been in for days and days and days just as an experiment.
tim pool
You see the chimps when they put them in VR?
ian crossland
A little bit.
I want to watch it again.
unidentified
Yeah.
bill ottman
Oh, let's, uh, we got to talk about the mind, the chimp mind pong with Neuralink before we go.
tim pool
Right on, right on.
ian crossland
All right, let's get some more Super Chats.
tim pool
All right, we got Spennet Games, says Tim.
Here's to making culture.
Check out my board game, Cinder Shire, on Kickstarter.
It's a four-player procedural dungeon-exploring game.
Please check it out.
Will do.
ian crossland
Must be a HeroQuest.
tim pool
Kyle Miller says, Tim, have you heard anything about a possible gas shortage this summer?
Nothing real.
Nothing in the news.
I have seen it gas up 22%, and people are really scared that there's going to be a gas shortage.
But not enough to where I'd ever say anything, like, I don't know.
I will say, I bought an electric car.
That's right.
We made a video called Jumping the Tesla.
Why?
I bought a Tesla.
Why?
Because I'm like, I don't want to be relying on gasoline.
Especially when you got like Greta Thunberg and AOC being like, ban gasoline.
I'm like, eh, these people have political power and you know, I don't know where we're going to be in 10 years, so.
Plus, I gotta be honest, I like the idea of electric.
You're not really going to go on a road trip with an electric car.
You can, because of Tesla superchargers.
bill ottman
There's a network.
tim pool
And they're everywhere.
Seriously, the chargers are everywhere.
No joke.
I think there's more chargers than gas stations.
So, you'd be surprised.
Maybe it's not true, but you look at the map and it's just red dots everywhere.
The issue is, it does take like 20 minutes to charge up to 80%.
And so, at a gas station, you pull up there for a few minutes, you fill up the tank, you're good to go.
You plug it in, you go inside, you sit down, you kick your feet, you look at your watch, you check your phone.
bill ottman
It's not that bad.
20's okay.
tim pool
It's not bad.
It's worth it, I think, too, because it's ridiculously cheap.
It's like, gotta fill up the tank.
Oh, that was 30 cents.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, it's pretty great.
But I don't want to be relying on gasoline, man.
Alright, Trash Panda says, Ian, you're on fire today!
I agree, there are very strange things going on behind the scenes.
What are your thoughts?
The World Economic Forum has a page called The Great Reset.
ian crossland
I think it's behind the scenes, which is the most terrifying thing.
I can't see it.
The proprietary stuff drive me nuts.
tim pool
The behind the scenes stuff that I was talking about is like, has anyone actually gone to a farm and asked them, is there anything going on?
They're like, what are you feeding these animals?
We didn't do that.
We turn on CNN, we turn on Fox News, and then we argue about the culture war.
It's like, we went to go buy some farm fresh meats and then heard from the farmers about what they're dealing with from the federal government.
unidentified
I'm like, wow, is there news about that?
tim pool
Nobody cares.
ian crossland
Yeah, there may be a million sources of news, but there really isn't that much news.
Like today, we were like, what happened today?
tim pool
No, there's a lot of news.
It's just that we're hyper-focused on politics and culture.
ian crossland
But what's the news, like Cardi B's birthday?
It's like news about people and what they did.
bill ottman
If you actually spent 10 minutes to find an amazing, beautiful story that happened today, you could do it.
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
But is there ever news that's not about people?
lydia smith
Yes, I found an article.
I'll tell you about it after the show.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
All right, Ken Duncan says, You had better call Crowder and tell him you're finally getting it.
I'm also wondering what your favorite gun you own.
I have a hell of a time myself.
I think for me, it's whichever I shot last.
I'm going to say it's definitely the Lever Action .357 Magnum.
Man, that is just so much fun.
bill ottman
Is Crowder offended that you took so long to get his gun?
tim pool
I talked to him about it and I was like, you know, he asked me what was up and I was like, bro, I can't drive 70 miles to get this.
Cause I work, I work in the morning and then I've got like two hours after my first shift where I do my shows and then IRL.
And I'm like, it's not enough time to get there and back.
Plus I was on a delay list at the time for, for Nick's.
So I've gone up there, filled out the form, driven back, waited five days, gone back, picked it up.
bill ottman
I couldn't do it.
My dad was trying to get a permit in Connecticut and it was just like, it took years of going back and forth.
Sheriff, like it's insane.
tim pool
But let me just say, there's a range, a local range, and we were running drills with our good friend from Phoenix Ammunition.
And I was like, I don't know, I'm not like, you know, super good.
These guys were really good.
I mean, the dude from Phoenix would like, never miss.
And everyone there was like, looking at the guy like, wow, this guy's really good!
But I just, I had a 410, a 410 lever action.
And it's just so fun running and just cranking it and I was using 410 slugs, so a whole lot of fun.
But the .357 Magnum lever action, I just love lever action guns.
They're just so much fun.
ian crossland
That was my childhood toy gun.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
It's like, you know, fronts, easy to use.
It's it's yeah, so I've I've got I've got a ridiculous amount of guns at this point and You know, I think I think it's a mil spec 308 ar-15 Yeah, it's fun.
But it's like, you know, whatever the m1a That one's a whole lot of fun.
Yeah, I'm winning.
It's a lot of fun.
Yeah, good.
unidentified
Good.
Good.
tim pool
Good fun.
Good fun Alright, let's see.
Mr. Brownstunt's malice shouted you out with Dave Smith on You're Welcome today, and was so elated with your Abolish the Police message being heard by your large audience, I believe he's... he's, uh, tinkled his sheath... skivvies with a bit of joy?
Yeah, I saw someone tweeting about it.
But my response is partially rooted in Michael's argument.
He made a good point in the show when he said that he in New York should have the right to defend himself, but the cops won't allow him to bear arms, even the Constitution says he could.
And I absolutely agree with his assessment.
However, I don't believe that at the core of our ideological, you know, our worldviews, they're identical.
My position is I still actually think we need police.
The problem right now is the police are effectively a sorting algorithm to put moderates and conservatives in prison and let the far left go.
So the cops are going to be neutral arbiters of the law and the DA makes sure that the far left is cut loose and the conservatives and the moderates are locked up.
So you look at what the FBI did today with raiding this woman's home, and she's the wrong woman.
But they can't find some Antifa guy who burned a building.
Nope, they can't do it.
So what'll happen is, these cops are like, I'm being good, I'm gonna arrest both of you, and then the Proud Boys are the ones who end up in prison.
So look, I think at this point, you've got people based on tribe that are willing to support a system, which is funneling them into defeat.
And if conservatives are about personal responsibility, they don't live in large, you know, urban Democrat districts.
Then we should get back to owning guns and just tell people, take care of yourself.
Life is not, you know, candy canes and rainbows.
And you should, you should, you know, respect second amendment, keeping bare arms.
All right, Tina Collette says, on the Trump Nightmare, someone is selling a Trump shower curtain.
I want to buy one and sneak it into my TDS-ridden sister's bath next time I visit.
At 58 years old, I am still the very bratty little sister.
That would be amazing!
Just to film her reaction of, nah!
bill ottman
I like the shower curtain.
50, 60 year olds are now understanding culture.
Our grandparents didn't really get it, but now it's like older people can have fun.
Internet is so great.
ian crossland
I'm 42, but I feel like a kid.
I feel like I'm 16.
I still like video games, and I want to play all the time.
tim pool
You're an old man.
For some reason, I don't know what you did, but your camera just changed colors.
lydia smith
Yeah, you're orange now.
bill ottman
I'm hot!
lydia smith
Yes!
unidentified
Call me back!
Why is it so hot?
lydia smith
I don't know.
He left and came back, and I don't know.
It's weird.
tim pool
All right, dropforgesurvival says, as one of the larger prepper channels on YouTube, prepping saved my family, and from what I've been told by several others with the videos we've created, food, water, supplies, and finances, because you never know.
Be well, Tim and team.
Hey, appreciate it.
Absolutely.
Joe Macinek says, Timcast, in my tinfoil hat gorilla shirt, in my tinfoil hat gorilla shirt with my wife in her diamond hand shirt, have you guys heard of Stellar Lumens?
I want to hear non-expert opinion of their token.
By the way, this super chat will be worthless tomorrow.
I hope not.
lydia smith
Worth less.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
Oh, worth less.
Not worthless.
Worth less tomorrow.
That's true.
ian crossland
What do you think about Lumens?
bill ottman
I'm pretty sure that Mullenweg, the creator of WordPress, is involved with them.
And it's a little bit more faster transactions.
I don't know a ton about the blockchain, though, but it's a smart contract platform, which is similar to Ethereum.
It's sort of similar to Ethereum, but like faster in certain senses, but also more centralized.
ian crossland
It's not ERC20?
bill ottman
No.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
All right.
Tyrell Hoddle says, I am quote, some guy in Nebraska that I've heard Tim mention a few times before.
Thanks for the shout out.
Just want to let you know I am out here and I am everything you think I am.
Keep doing what you are.
I watch every show.
Hey, really appreciate it, man.
You see that family guy joke where Stewie's like, it's a, it's a, Stewie says, it's like the time I was in Nebraska.
And then he's like sitting at a table with a bunch of guys and he's like, so, you know, uh, the president did this or something.
And they're like, so I heard the celebrity did something and they're like, How's corn doing?
Oh, corn!
Corn!
Oh yeah, corn's great!
They're all like excited and talking about corn.
That's Nebraska.
So I'm sure that's exactly what you guys are like.
ian crossland
You really get a new appreciation for corn when you see it growing in the fields and the wind is whipping through it because it looks like silk.
lydia smith
It's cool.
bill ottman
I can imagine you running through a corn field.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, you're speaking my love language.
tim pool
Eric Miller says, Imagine being in a meeting and people are discussing how to run your life but you can't say anything.
They can destroy everything you love.
How much money would you pay to speak out?
Well, free speech costs you nothing but your voice.
So I was out to eat with some family and I was talking to some of my cousins and their kids.
And we were talking, they were mentioning how their kids, their 14-year-old girl doesn't care about news at all.
You'll never convince her politics is important.
And I was like, oh, I can't easily.
And they were like, yeah, yeah.
And she was like, no, you can't.
It's dumb.
And I was like, think about it this way.
Is there someone in your school that you really hate?
She's like, yeah.
And I was like, okay, imagine she makes the rules about how you get to live and what you have to wear.
And she was like, what?
I was like, imagine you go to school and she tells you what to wear.
Would you want to be talking about why?
Yes!
And I'm like, that's politics.
So when you get older, now these other people are telling you how you got to live your life and pay and spend your money.
And you're like, who are you?
So it's not so much that you don't like news and politics.
It's that you care about what's in your life and affecting your life.
When you're a little kid, you don't care about the president.
ian crossland
People can't stand these boring people talking about politics on CNN.
They deliver it so blandly and like yawn.
bill ottman
What is the root of the word politics?
What is it?
What does it go back to?
lydia smith
Polis?
The police?
The people.
Metropolitan.
That's from the Latin.
So it's supposed to be a voice of the people.
bill ottman
The polls.
tim pool
It was, it was stripper poles and the people, people would all grab, gather around it.
And then while watching the beautiful women do their thing, they would discuss, they would, they would be discussing like around the water cooler, the way things should be.
Pole-atics.
lydia smith
That picture of the philosophers in Greece.
Yes.
tim pool
Nathan O'Connell said, Ian, the band on the Titanic saw their death and faced it like gentlemen.
ian crossland
But they still died, remember?
And not everyone did on that boat.
unidentified
Yeah.
bill ottman
Not Rose.
tim pool
You know, man.
Hey, here we go.
X says, dude, if you need a barn, drive up to PA and hire the Amish.
They're not far and they're good.
Oh, yeah.
So we're trying to, so you guys, if you've seen the vlog, we have the steel pole barn where we have like the venue in it.
And we need some upgrades.
And I've called a bunch of people and they just, you know, ghost us.
We've had people come out and they're like, man, I can't do what you're looking for.
I don't want anyone to think it's political.
It's literally like, either we want to build a building and they're like, we'll get back to you, and then they don't.
Or they say things like, we're a local company, we can't build what you want.
You know, you guys want too much of us, we can't do that, we can't handle that.
bill ottman
Or the cost has gotten too high, or... Are there different materials you could use?
tim pool
I mean, we just want to use steel.
Yeah, so right now it's a lot of wood, and wood is...
What's the right word?
Volumous?
Takes up a lot of space.
If we had stronger materials, we could have way more space, and it'd be a lot cleaner and better.
ian crossland
We could build geodesic domes.
We lose a lot of vertical space, a horizontal space as you go higher, because it curves in, but they're cheap and really stable, and we could dig down also.
tim pool
Maybe we just get rid of the barn and put one gigantic dome over it.
ian crossland
I'm into it.
Hey, I did some research on the history of the word politic.
Polis meant city in ancient Greek, and then politis was citizen.
So ultimately that's where it came from.
tim pool
Josh says, have you ever thought about creating an ERC-20 token, a Timcast IRL coin, based on a smart contract to allow your viewers limited rights to support and vote for content?
You could create a staking system and apply for it to be added on exchanges.
It just seems like a whole lot of issues with the SEC I don't want to deal with.
ian crossland
I don't know.
bill ottman
It's a lot of effort.
It's a lot of effort.
But yeah, if there's real value there.
tim pool
Jay Otterson says, I staked my ETH and it's just growing as I watch.
You can do that right now.
bill ottman
Do what?
tim pool
Stake your Ethereum.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it would just start growing.
bill ottman
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
tim pool
How do I do that?
bill ottman
On Coinbase.
tim pool
Really?
bill ottman
Or you can either go to like a truly decentralized staking tool.
tim pool
Is there any risk to losing it or anything?
bill ottman
You have to get on, there's a wait list on Coinbase.
No, there's no risk.
But actually when you stake ETH on Coinbase, so you earn like 6% a year on top.
But you won't be able to pull it out until ETH2 fully launches.
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
What is ETH2?
It's still going to be the same Ethereum, right?
bill ottman
Still the same Ethereum, but it's proof of stake, like I was talking about.
So it's not all these, you know, electricity burning mining rigs all over the world.
And they're doing sharding so that there can be more transaction throughput and the gas prices will be lower.
tim pool
Yep.
Tyler Page says, Ladies, find yourself someone that loves you like Bill Ottman loves Bitcoin.
bill ottman
I'll take it.
tim pool
Zach Wilkerson says, M2 money supply went up $6 trillion in 2020.
Divide that by $365 billion and you get $16.4 billion created per day.
How much did Dogecoin create per day?
$14 million?
bill ottman
I don't remember what the number was.
tim pool
So what you're saying is that Dogecoin is a more sound currency than the U.S.
unidentified
dollar?
tim pool
You're saying doge to the moon?
bill ottman
There are.
tim pool
Everyone should buy it.
bill ottman
Winklevoss just posted something like that.
unidentified
Oh, really?
bill ottman
Everybody buy it?
No, he was just saying that compared to the dollar it is more sound in certain ways.
unidentified
Yep.
All right.
tim pool
Stairs into Space Gaming says, check out Coin Bureau and his analysis of the tokenomics of Doge.
Not financial advice.
All right.
CNSC says, Tim, I don't know why, but I can't log into the site only on my Android, though.
Love the show.
You should get Attorney Tom from TikTok.
So I guess there was some issue on the site where there was like a caching error of some sort.
If you can clear your cookies or whatever, it should be better.
Um, we're, we're, we're, I'll just keep, keep it simple.
We created a very simple WordPress site.
We're like, here, we'll put bonus content for people.
And then so many people signed up.
I was like, okay, we, we, we need to upgrade the site to handle this, this level of traffic.
And then we did that and then more people signed up and I was like, we have an opportunity to actually create a network and start doing a bunch of unique content.
And this kind of site we're building can't accommodate that.
So we're going to need to bring in the big guns.
And so we got like a really big company now who is stepping in and we're expediting the construction of a site that should allow us to make shows.
bill ottman
Everyone be patient.
Developing websites takes a lot of labor, a lot of love.
It's all about patience.
So it always takes three times longer than you think.
tim pool
I think in five years, we're going to have some kind of Netflix.
It's going to, we're going to have a bunch of our own original content, short films, movies, documentaries, and it is going to be totally independent.
ian crossland
I'm so ready to make movies.
tim pool
You know, what's funny is when I've had a lot of people come out here.
So a lot of, uh, a lot of, you know, prominent personalities who are assigned to networks and they're like, so you have like investors like to help you.
Nope.
You don't have any, no, no, no investors.
How did you do all this?
So I just slowly built it up over time.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Totally independent.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Nobody gave us any money.
ian crossland
Zero overhead.
21st century business on YouTube.
Incredible.
tim pool
Zero overhead is absolutely untrue, Ian.
ian crossland
Well, not zero, but it's negligible overhead.
tim pool
No, it's not.
ian crossland
Your overhead was like your rent.
tim pool
Yeah, when I first started.
ian crossland
Yeah, and you were making...
You make tens of thousands of dollars a month with no oversight.
tim pool
And then when you start getting to the point where you're running a business and hiring people, overhead becomes exorbitant.
bill ottman
But you, I think, took it as far as you could totally solo, and I think that was in your benefit.
tim pool
Am I the only one?
ian crossland
No, not the only.
Rogan kind of did it.
He had Jamie he was paying and he has a crew.
tim pool
That's true.
But he's been doing a lot of stuff for a long time and he's worked a lot of different companies.
ian crossland
He was already very wealthy when he went into it.
tim pool
That's true, though.
That's true, though.
You know, he started his own thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
He didn't need people to fund him.
So I worked for Disney left and then I had some money to be able to start things and not worry about it.
But no investors.
Nobody.
ian crossland
Phil DeFranco.
Same.
I don't know if he took on investors eventually.
He started out as just some dude in his dorm room, basically.
tim pool
Yeah, what's up with that guy?
I've actually... He's amazing.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
I haven't seen him in a long time.
tim pool
No, I've been hearing bad things.
ian crossland
He doesn't come up, really.
bill ottman
On the Algos, he doesn't come up as much as he did.
tim pool
Well, I remember on the Covington thing, he posted a video that took the side of the establishment, which was untrue, and there were a couple other things, I guess, that happened.
I don't know.
I don't really watch him anymore.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
I've just been seeing comments on Twitter.
Maybe they're not representative.
ian crossland
YouTube flashed me one of those about Jake Paul, I think.
tim pool
It is really crazy for me to look at these other YouTubers who have been around for a lot longer than me, and I get five, ten times as many views as they do.
ian crossland
Stuff happens.
tim pool
Not on one single video, but in terms of the work that we're producing.
ian crossland
Yeah, quality speaks volumes now, whereas back in the day it was whatever they shoveled into your mouth in like 1975 because ABC ran the airwaves basically.
Now the high quality stuff gets caught, especially when you encourage people to share it and they share it.
That's massive!
Like if you really inspire someone to share it, that means...
A lot of people are getting inspired to share it.
bill ottman
It's funny that even like Comedy Central now and others, you know, they're basically producing in their houses.
So it's like they had the big production studios, all the mainstream outlets, but now with COVID, they're all home.
And it's just funny to see the mainstream producing out of their houses.
So it's like with like low quality, with low quality.
ian crossland
They don't know how to run a studio.
They're just the face.
You realize like Tim actually understands the tech behind it.
Dude, it's so like me and you, neither of us were technicians when we were starting mines.
We had a super low budget.
We had webcams and stuff.
Thank God Tim's like a technologist.
You know what cameras to get?
The black magic card, the switcher, all that.
The lights, the LEDs, all we had to get was this stuff.
And you know, interesting people to help.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Nevasa says the next Bitcoin halving is slated for March 2025.
Interesting.
There was a super chit I just saw and it's gone.
So I'm bummed.
I don't know where it went.
That's a bummer.
ian crossland
Oh, well, what did it say?
tim pool
I didn't get a chance to see it, but I wanted to read it.
I don't want to say it unless I can find it, but I can't find it because there's too many superchats because people love us too much, which is really great.
ian crossland
You guys are amazing.
tim pool
Connor O'Brien says, Bill, thoughts on the Solana blockchain?
bill ottman
They also handle more throughput.
There's this app called Audius, which is like a blockchain sort of Spotify app that's using it.
And I like Ethereum.
I think Ethereum is going to make it in the long run.
You know, migrating to different blockchains is just it's all about network effects.
And I just I don't know.
I think it's a cool project and there's cool people working on it and really smart people and they're solving some problems.
But I don't know.
I'm not really trying to endorse or not endorse different tokens.
ian crossland
When we were starting the Mines token and conceptualizing it still, I kept pushing like we should start our own blockchain.
I brought it up a few times and people were basically like, nah, Mark didn't really think it was a good idea.
Are you glad?
bill ottman
Think about how much energy it takes to get tens of thousands of people all over the world running nodes.
Like that cannot be underestimated.
Think about how much energy it takes to get hundreds.
Ethereum has hundreds of thousands of developers and like tens of millions of you like that.
It's not to say that you just go with where all the people are, but like there's a reason that it's generating those network effects.
But like I think that I'm not a maximalist.
I think that different blockchains will be suited for different purposes.
And also other times you don't want a blockchain because blockchains don't solve every I won't swear.
tim pool
It's just everybody's like blockchain consultant, right?
I remember talking to one guy and he was like, have you considered like doing a blockchain website?
And I was like, what?
Your business should do blockchain.
I was like, do you know what words are?
Like, I think you saw something on a story somewhere and now you're just throwing the word blockchain at me because I don't know what you're talking about.
bill ottman
Yeah, that's the most dangerous thing in the blockchain space.
Just put the word blockchain.
Yeah, it's so, it's nasty.
tim pool
All right, Heather Bailey says, how about a four lights gorilla t-shirt?
Love all my others.
I'm an artist and have a great design in mind.
Also, I love you, Tim, but could you please stop calling me a feckless loser?
Thanks.
Oh, is it because you're a cop or what?
Or a politician?
The next shirt we're going to be doing, hopefully, is going to be the same as the Diamond Hands gorilla, but it's a Shiba Inu head.
And it says, to the moon.
And it's holding the money and a cigar.
So it's not going to explicitly say, no, it's just, to the moon.
And I hope we can have that tomorrow, because I'd love to get that shirt before Elon goes on.
Oh yeah.
bill ottman
Did you get the Free the Coacher yet?
No, we need something like that.
ian crossland
Come on, dude.
I'll print one.
I'll print one on my website.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Nombot says, love all of you.
TNG is best, but SG1 is amazing.
Also, Ian is my avatar.
ian crossland
All right.
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
Then you have magic too.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
All right, come on, where's that one super chat I really liked?
I was scrolling, I scrolled too fast, then it was gone.
lydia smith
Darn it.
tim pool
I was going to make fun of somebody from Nebraska, but it's gone now.
Oh, well, I can't do anything about it.
bill ottman
Lydia, do you love crypto yet after this?
lydia smith
So much.
I do feel like I've learned a lot.
bill ottman
I sent you that ETH seed a few months ago.
lydia smith
And I still have that little seedling of Ethereum that I kind of want to add to my little crypto collection now.
So we'll see what happens.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, well, here's one, Nebraskan.
Rainforest says, Nebraskan here, trust me, you won't enjoy running through a cornfield.
The corn rash is real.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I don't know, I watched all those movies where they're like running through the cornfield and they're being chased by aliens or whatever.
ian crossland
It must be true if you saw it in a movie.
bill ottman
Well, it depends on what is sprayed on the corn, I would imagine, too.
True.
ian crossland
That could be nasty.
Glyphosate?
Yuck.
Hovering over.
tim pool
Oh, oh, oh.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
tim pool
Did it just jump on me again?
lydia smith
Yeah, I just saw it.
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
Browncoat says politics.
So we have an explanation of where politics come from.
Politics comes from poli, meaning city or people, and tix, meaning evil bloodsucking parasites.
lydia smith
Perfect.
tim pool
Politics.
That's right.
unidentified
Nailed it.
All right.
tim pool
Sunny James says, people don't understand there is pretty much zero to no vetting of these government-contracted security agencies like Palantir, Evolve, etc.
It's a rubbing elbows with Connected game.
Drones missed their targets, killing civilians in Afghanistan up to 90%.
Yikes!
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Ossary says, Ian got Trump-ized.
You're bound to get banned from social media now.
lydia smith
Indeed.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
bill ottman
I don't think Ian's been traumatized.
ian crossland
Was that a hex?
lydia smith
Tomato Ian.
ian crossland
Oh, I like Trump.
tim pool
Yeah, Bill can't see it, but... I had a friend that built one one time.
politics, poly meaning many and ticks, miserable parasites.
Tim, you mentioned crypto bots yesterday.
Does anybody there recommend one in particular?
My doggo crypto doubled from 44 to 89.
Love the show.
The show.
Graham.
Uh, I don't know about any of these programs.
I just remember, I just know that they exist.
ian crossland
So that's a friend that built one one time.
tim pool
The algorithm that auto trades, like built a computer program that
ian crossland
didn't for him for a while.
And he's like, look, I'm getting 1%.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It just sells when it's high and buys when it's low and it just automatically does it.
Alright, we'll do one more just to trigger Bill here.
Patrick Glass says Cardano will flip Ethereum.
bill ottman
Okay.
unidentified
There it is.
bill ottman
So look, I mean, Cardano is a proof of stake blockchain that is similar.
You know, they're rolling out smart contracts, more power to them.
I hope that products get built.
From a developer experience, Ethereum is just great to build on.
There's so many developers working on it.
There's so many tools.
And, you know, I don't know.
tim pool
All right, Justin Moses, any word on the Ian Alligator shirt?
I think we can have that one up tomorrow as well, but I think that was gonna be a mug, actually.
ian crossland
I'm open to all avenues.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that was, it's a really good mug because it's a square comic image.
ian crossland
Perfect.
tim pool
Yeah, but we'll see.
ian crossland
Goes great on a shirt, goes great on your eggs when you're in the morning.
Yeah, whatever.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
Get a hat.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, smash that like button if you have not done so already.
Go to TimCast.com, become a member because now you can sign up using Stripe and it's really fast and really easy.
It's amazing.
You just click it and then a box appears and it's like putting your info and you do and then boom!
You're a member.
It's fantastic.
And we're gonna have a really great segment coming up.
I'm gonna see if I can track down this message where I think the Venezuelan government was trying to hack Facebook to try and figure out my location and then we'll just talk about whatever.
I don't know.
But go to TimCast.com, check it out.
You can follow our show on Instagram at TimCastIRL, and on Facebook, facebook.com, facebook.com slash TimCastIRL, where you can share our videos so that other people get exposed to the show, and then we can drive everybody to our website instead, which will, you know, help just grow an independent website, I suppose.
And don't forget to follow us on Mines.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think Mines is a thing where the YouTube auto-posts to Mines, but IRL is not auto-posting right now.
tim pool
Just TimCast and TimCast.
unidentified
We've got to fancy the IRL experience.
bill ottman
We'll do that.
Look, diversify your presence.
That's what it's all about.
I hate pitching.
It's not about us.
It's about creating a network of networks.
tim pool
But Mines auto backs up your content.
bill ottman
Yeah, you can sync your YouTube and it'll auto post everything, every new video.
Find me at Otman, O-T-T-M-A-N, on MinesMines.com slash mobile.
Get the new Mines chat app, end-to-end encryption, rooms, file sharing, Fediverse.
Check it out.
ian crossland
Oh, and you can follow me at IanCrossland.net.
Check out all my social medias from there at Ian Crossland, including Mines.
You'll see it at the top in the middle with the light bulb, which is a great insignia, by the way.
Thank you.
lydia smith
Very cool.
And you can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I try to figure out what's going on with cryptocurrency.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in the exclusive bonus segment.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you then.
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