All Episodes
April 14, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:12:59
Timcast IRL - Chauvin Trial Expert Says Floyd Death NOT Homicide w/ FreedomToons And Jack Murphy
Participants
Main voices
i
ian crossland
09:39
j
jack murphy
25:52
s
seamus coughlin
22:39
t
tim pool
01:08:56
Appearances
l
lydia smith
01:04
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
unidentified
you you
the officer involved in the shooting of Dante Wright has been arrested and
tim pool
Charged with second-degree manslaughter and her mugshot is already going around
They've erected barricades around her house because the far-left extremists have published her address.
And when a city manager said this officer deserves due process, a council member voted to have him removed and publicly stated, it was because I'm scared the people will retaliate against me.
I respect this man.
He was doing a great job.
She publicly admitted the city manager was doing well, but he must be removed, otherwise they would come for her.
The terrorists, I gotta say it, in this case, they won.
Now we've got the Chauvin trial, and there was some really good news for the defense.
The defense medical expert testified that George Floyd's death was not a homicide because of several complicating factors.
The cause of death would be undetermined if he were actually giving that assessment.
So, uh, I got these two crazy guys trying to distract me.
jack murphy
No, we're not distracting you.
seamus coughlin
We're not trying to distract him.
He's trying to distract me.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, in the Joe Biden Eating Bernie Girl Corner, we have Freedom Tunes producer, creator, comedian, funny guy, Seamus Coghlan.
seamus coughlin
Seamus Coghlan, singer apparently now.
Seamus Coghlan of the Illinois Boys, which we have with us here tonight.
tim pool
Because we're all from Chicago.
seamus coughlin
That's right, we're all from the Chicago area.
I moved out to the suburbs when I was pretty young.
tim pool
I can't get that street cred, but This is the in the Joe Biden eating a small child corner.
jack murphy
Hello, my name is Jack Murphy.
I've only had a half a beer so far.
So we're good.
260 today guys.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jack murphy
Jack Murphy live on YouTube.
tim pool
No, but I was thinking like, you know, we've got Seamus, Jack, you know, Ian's chilling.
I'm here.
Lydia's here.
And I was like, OK, but we got Seamus and Jack.
So I was like, how do I introduce them?
And then I was like, we got the left corner and the right corner.
I was like, but we have these art.
I was like, OK, maybe I'll mention the art.
And then I realized both pictures are just Joe Biden eating a child.
seamus coughlin
Oh, so I was like, which is fitting.
Perfectly.
unidentified
It is.
seamus coughlin
It's a great representation.
tim pool
So I was just like Joe, Joe Biden eating.
ian crossland
You guys believe in adrenochrome?
tim pool
No, get out of here.
Joe Biden is not literally eating the children here.
This is art from George Alexopoulos of Creepy Horror Biden.
Can you see it on Seamus' thing?
Yeah, you can see it.
That's amazing.
So whenever we have guests here, because pictures on both sides are Joe Biden eating a child, no matter which side they sit on, I'm like, you're okay with Joe Biden eating a child behind you, right?
seamus coughlin
She's never asked me that!
jack murphy
Tim, get like a picture of you and I. I used to have Joe Rogan on my shoulder over here.
tim pool
Well, because Trump's not president anymore.
Yeah, so the Trump ones we took down.
I was saying this the whole time.
I said this.
I hope Joe Biden wins, because then we don't gotta take down the art.
unidentified
You see?
tim pool
Now all the Trump pictures come down.
I'm kidding, I'm half kidding.
jack murphy
So wait, Trump and Joe Biden are just off in the corner now?
tim pool
They're off in the corner.
jack murphy
Or Trump and Joe Rogan?
Joe Rogan is in the corner now.
tim pool
You know why, Jack?
Because Joe Rogan left us!
He did!
I'm kidding.
Because I'm not obsessed with Donald Trump.
All these channels that are obsessed with Donald Trump, like CNN, still talking about it.
We did something on the show the other day, when you Google search riot, you got Capitol, Capitol, Trump, Trump, Capitol.
And I'm like, the riots just happened in Minnesota and Google's giving me all this Trump stuff.
They're obsessed.
I see these YouTubers and they're like, what did Trump do today?
And I'm like, I don't know.
The guy's like playing golf.
There's a riot going on.
Those are the grifters.
ian crossland
And apparently in England, you get different Google search results too.
So it's like they're just targeting what they think people want to read.
seamus coughlin
The moral of the story is use DuckDuckGo.
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Okay, well, let's get into all of that, my friends.
If you haven't already, go over to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're gonna have a really fun members-only exclusive episode coming up later tonight, because we got, you know, we got Seamus and Jack.
So, you know, we try to keep things family-friendly, but I wonder how absurd things will get, you know, after the fact.
jack murphy
If the pre-show was any indication, it's going to get really interesting.
seamus coughlin
If the pre-show is any indication, I'm out.
tim pool
Yeah, Seamus swung at Jack.
seamus coughlin
It was crazy.
Honestly, every now and again, he's bigger than me, but I got the long arms.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
I actually, the pre-show, as we're warming up, we're kind of getting the cameras ready.
I did make a joke about Jack brutally beating Seamus and Ian sitting there going, this is cool.
It was a metaphor.
seamus coughlin
I didn't think it was funny.
unidentified
I wasn't laughing.
jack murphy
I was just cracking my knuckles.
seamus coughlin
First of all, Illinois boys stick together.
unidentified
True that.
jack murphy
Well, no, we'll fight, we'll kill each other, but the second somebody else says something to you, dude, I got your back.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
jack murphy
No matter who it is, no matter how wrong you are.
seamus coughlin
That's exactly what it is.
Yeah, we're all Irish.
tim pool
Everybody's a little bit Irish.
seamus coughlin
Do you want to hear something funny?
tim pool
Everyone's Irish here?
unidentified
Yeah, I am too.
seamus coughlin
There's this whole thing where people from Ireland get mad when American-born people call themselves Irish.
It's like, we're not bragging, all right?
No, we're definitely not.
unidentified
Black Irish Yep, we're not bragging all right all right.
tim pool
How about we talk about some news my friends I'm kidding of course if you haven't already know we got to smash the like button you do because it really helps out leave a comment Just you know that's what you think and subscribe to the show because I believe by late tonight or tomorrow 1 million subscribers Beautiful right so excited 1 million.
jack murphy
Where should they follow you Seamus?
seamus coughlin
Thank you, Jack, for asking.
Freedom Tunes, if you guys want to go to youtube.com slash freedom tunes, I release an animated cartoon once a week, sometimes twice a week.
I think they're usually pretty funny.
We just released one about Jordan Peterson that he tweeted out.
He enjoyed it.
He seems to be cool with it when I make fun of him.
So that's really good.
jack murphy
I didn't think you were making fun of him at all.
I think you were honoring him.
seamus coughlin
In a way, so that's true too.
jack murphy
You were making fun of Ta-Nehisi Coates.
seamus coughlin
Yes, whoever that is.
I'm glad you can actually attempt a pronunciation.
I'm far from that.
I was like, what is it?
I'm not even going to try.
jack murphy
I've only read it in my mind with disdain.
I've never actually said it out loud with positive energy behind it.
tim pool
Thank Ta-Nehisi Coates for making glorious memes about him.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, it was beautiful.
tim pool
The lobster meme.
seamus coughlin
I was more honoring him, but it's an impression.
I've done things poking fun of him before and he's really cool about it.
I think that says a lot about a person.
tim pool
Yeah, because it's funny.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, thank you.
ian crossland
His daughter keeps him sane.
I love watching those two together.
seamus coughlin
She's the one who tweeted it at him.
lydia smith
That's great.
seamus coughlin
She's like, she's like, Dad, you have to watch this.
He's like, well, I guess.
ian crossland
You can see when they're, when they're hanging out and talking, he's like twisting his mind to be able to communicate with her without freaking her out.
Cause you can see like when she was young, he probably said all sorts of stuff.
tim pool
Hold on do you think that he told Michaela that she was a chimpanzee full of snakes?
seamus coughlin
This is why I love George Peterson so much that is an actual quote People were tweeting me like bro.
That's brilliant that summarizes.
jack murphy
I'm sorry no no he said that We just watched the video downstairs in the new green room at the Tim Pool estate and condo here and we were having some Japanese whiskey.
ian crossland
It was very good Japanese.
jack murphy
And we were watching up on the giant screen YouTube videos made by Seamus and in this amazing video about Red Skull, there was this incredible line where he goes, you're just a chimpanzee full of snakes.
And I looked at Seamus and I was like, dude, that's a hilarious joke.
seamus coughlin
Jack actually looked at me and said, that is the only funny thing I've ever heard you say.
I was like, guys, you have to watch more of my videos.
Everyone's like, no, we want to watch something else.
tim pool
Jordan Pearson actually said that.
lydia smith
Yeah, he did.
jack murphy
Right?
seamus coughlin
Did he?
Yeah, he's like, that's the only good thing you've ever made.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
The chimpanzee full of snakes.
seamus coughlin
Yes, that's an actual quote, man.
He actually said that.
It was hysterical.
ian crossland
Who was he talking to?
seamus coughlin
It makes sense.
It was during a lecture.
He's like, what are you?
He's like, something approximating a chimpanzee full of snakes.
What is that?
No, it actually makes sense because it's like you have all these primal instincts and you're also full of deception and lies and danger.
tim pool
So context is important.
jack murphy
So he was talking to a woman.
tim pool
It's a chimpanzee full of figurative snakes.
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't actually know if the snakes were literal or figurative.
We have to ask Jordan.
I assume figurative.
tim pool
I hope he meant literal.
seamus coughlin
I hope so too.
tim pool
What if Jordan actually was and he thought everyone else was?
seamus coughlin
What if we got a gorilla costume and just filled it with snakes?
tim pool
It's like two kids in a trench coat, but like a chimpanzee suit full of snakes trying to buy liquor.
jack murphy
Oh my god, that sounds like a horror movie.
tim pool
Alright, alright, alright.
How about you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, leave us a good review.
It was five stars.
We're doing the promo.
It just turned into us cracking jokes about Jordan Peterson, which is good too, because you know, it's fun.
jack murphy
It's gonna be a slow show.
tim pool
Well, now we're gonna get dirty.
No, hold on.
Now I feel bad, because now we're gonna talk about like all this very serious stuff.
unidentified
Alright.
seamus coughlin
After we're talking about... We'll make fun of that too.
No, we'll not.
Some of these stories are, like, very funny.
We do have a lot of funny stuff, but there's some heavy stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, we have this story where it's like, I guess, in California, math is racist now, like, officially.
seamus coughlin
I can't wait to dig.
Are we digging into that now?
Or are you giving them a taste?
tim pool
We're giving them a taste.
Let's talk about this first story, guys.
Let's get serious.
Now, everybody.
Now that we're all serious.
Serious faces.
We got the story from CBS News.
Defense expert found Floyd's manner of death to be undetermined, not homicide.
It's actually quite simple, and this is a huge win for the defense.
Granted, it's literally their witness.
You combine this with the prosecution's witnesses, I don't see how you have anything but extreme doubt.
I'm not reasonably doubting this.
I'm doubting this.
I've been watching the Derek Chauvin trial, and I watched the state, the prosecution.
I watched them plead their case, and I heard their witnesses.
They could not tell us definitively how George Floyd died.
So think about this for two seconds.
They have charged Derek Chauvin with murder, quite literally saying, you intended to kill this man.
And the defense asks, how did he kill him?
And the state goes, well, I mean, it could have been a bunch of different ways.
We're not entirely sure what we're accusing him of, but we do know that something he did killed the guy.
If the state can't tell the jury, here's exactly what he did, then how can I definitively say, beyond a reasonable doubt, he killed somebody?
Was that on cross or direct?
It was actually on direct.
Check this out.
jack murphy
They didn't prep with the guy?
tim pool
Well, no, here's the issue.
I guess what happened was, initially, in the trial, the prosecution said the knee on the neck cut off flow of blood to the brain.
And then, on cross, they were like, oh, well, you know, there's possibly other reasons.
So it seems that, and I'm getting this from some of the legal analysis from lawyers who know more than I, that they switched up their assessment, saying, well, maybe it was because of the pressure on the neck and back, making it harder for him to breathe.
The state actually brought up different reasons why it may have occurred.
The defense, very smart, kept poking at the state's witnesses, saying like, Man, when they got the medical examiner, this was huge.
The defense says to the medical examiner, if you found George Floyd in his apartment, how would you think he died?
And she was like, drug overdose.
He's like, if he had no drugs in his system, heart disease.
So the left is saying, yeah, but that's a hypothetical.
And it's like, dude.
The medical examiner is saying that she could have reasonably concluded, had she not seen the video, it was something else.
That's called doubt.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
So then we had that other big moment where the state's own witness testified, and I know you guys have heard me say it a lot because you really gotta drive this one home.
I really gotta drive this one home.
The use of force expert from LA said, Derek Chauvin would have been in the right to tase George Floyd the moment he arrived on scene, and he chose not to.
And so the defense was like, so Chauvin realized he would use a lesser force option, And that was the state's witness that said that.
You expect me to believe the unreasonable doubt Chauvin intended to kill Floyd when their own state witness said he chose lesser force options?
I'm sorry, dude.
That's not doubt.
They definitively have proven he did not mean to kill Floyd.
Now we have today's witness, who straight-up said it wasn't a homicide.
He's a very prominent medical examiner, but he's not from Hennepin County.
He's from Maryland.
He's paid to be there by the defense, so take that into consideration.
They ask him this.
They say, you're paid to be here, just so everyone knows.
And he says, his rate was like $3.50 an hour.
And he was like, you've got a heart condition.
George Floyd's got 90% narrowing of the prominent blood vessels or whatever.
He's got methamphetamine, which causes heart arrhythmia.
Fentanyl, which depresses the respiratory system.
And combine that with the restraint, You could not reasonably conclude what caused the death.
He said, some would argue being put in the prone position was the homicide.
However, taking all of all the factors into play, considering that, you know, putting someone in the proposition isn't going to kill them.
I could not say this is a homicide.
So this is this is this is like a medical examiner legit saying it.
seamus coughlin
Well, and this is the point.
It's not even about saying directly that, no, we know for a fact this is not a homicide.
All you have to do is establish reasonable doubt, as you've discussed.
So, people are looking at this like, oh, well, based on what we saw in the videos and based on other medical evidence, or whatever they want to tout, it appears as if he was killed.
Okay, but if you can establish a reasonable doubt that he was not intentionally murdering him, then he can't be charged with it.
But people are going to riot if that doesn't happen.
People are going to lose their minds.
ian crossland
At least not second degree, right?
Like third degree and manslaughter aren't intentional.
tim pool
Third degree's out.
This is my opinion, I'm not a lawyer, okay?
Legal insurrection has been doing a really great job with their analysis because I watch the trial, I read the mainstream media, and then I read legal insurrection.
And the reason I say they're doing a good job is you read them, and I think it was Andrew Bronk, I believe his name is.
When you read him, he's like, here's what the prosecution did well, here's what the defense did really well.
The prosecution messed this up, this was good for the prosecution.
And I'm like, that seems like a fair analysis.
You turn to the mainstream media, and it's like the defense is a clown, rolling around, dancing, and not actually defending him.
It's crazy reading what the left and what the mainstream press is saying about this case, because I literally...
Today, I'm watching the trial live, and the medical examiner said, I would not rule this a homicide, it's undetermined.
I did not read that anywhere, I listened to the man say it, and I was like, wow!
A medical expert, an examiner, who's apparently written studies from Maryland, is here testifying as an expert, saying, based on these facts, and he didn't say George Floyd died from drugs or a heart attack, he said, He thinks that his heart stopped with these factors compounding it, can't determine whether it's undetermined.
And I'm like, that's a fair assessment, it's balanced.
You see that from legal insurrection, you don't see it from the mainstream media.
I'll tell you this though, there will be riots.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Because my prediction is, first, it's possible that because of the ongoing Dante Wright riots, the jury is terrified, and they're gonna be like, I'm saying guilty, screw that, I didn't get my house burned down.
We saw the city council member in Brooklyn Center vote to fire the city manager and say publicly, I was scared of retaliation.
That lady should be fired, removed, impeached, whatever, and that guy should get his job back immediately because of a vote under duress.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But now what's going to happen is they're wrapping the defense testimony tomorrow.
The defense's case wraps tomorrow.
Friday is a day off.
This is the presumed schedule.
The weekend, the jury is chilling.
And then come Monday, they get sequestered for deliberations.
What's going to happen this weekend?
Mass riots.
Dante Wright, mass riots.
So now these jurors are going to be sitting there for the weekend, stewing, watching the city burn to the ground, and you think they're going to come and vote not guilty?
Now here's what I think might happen.
They'll come back and they'll say, in the charge of murder in the second degree, we find Derek Chauvin not guilty.
Stop the presses, the journalists around the door, and say, Chauvin found not guilty.
Then they'll say in the murder in the third degree, guilty, manslaughter guilty, assault guilty.
But as long as they get one headline that says, Derek Chauvin found not guilty in murder charge in death of George Floyd.
It's not the full context, but it's framing that will generate traffic for the news outlets.
You know they're going to take it.
And the activists are going to start screaming and crying, and they're going to go outside and they're going to burn the city to the ground.
seamus coughlin
No, it's despicable.
The way the media behaves is entirely irresponsible and it's hilarious because for years they were claiming that the President of the United States and conservatives were making them feel unsafe.
But then when the country is a powder keg, it seems as if they're doing everything they possibly can to rile up tensions even more so and set the whole thing ablaze.
tim pool
That sounds about right, yeah.
That's pretty much it.
ian crossland
I'm thinking about Kamala Harris almost inciting the violence last year.
tim pool
You mean when she was like, give me money to get these people out of jail and back on the street?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, literally bailing them out.
Can you imagine if Trump had bailed out a single person who rushed the Capitol or attacked the Capitol?
That's all we'd be hearing about.
tim pool
I mean, we're still hearing about the Capitol.
We're still hearing about it.
seamus coughlin
It's still kind of all we're hearing about.
Yeah, and he didn't do that.
tim pool
You know, we did this Google search the other day for riots.
This was like Monday, I think.
And Google shows you Capitol riots, Capitol riots, Capitol riots.
And you go on DuckDuckGo, and even Bing, and you get Minnesota.
The Bing one was the hilarious one.
Like, Bing is more reliable than Google.
Not like I'm a fan of Microsoft or anything like that.
But DuckDuckGo's pretty good.
It's remarkable to me that there are still people in media, even YouTubers, they put out videos the other day like, what is Trump doing?
I'm like, I don't know.
I don't care.
Is Trump like in Minnesota?
seamus coughlin
Planning a coup, Tim!
He's taking the country down.
ian crossland
Is manslaughter considered homicide?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, homicide just means that a person killed a person.
It doesn't mean it was murder.
It doesn't mean... So this is what happens, right?
They're like, the medical examiner has ruled George Floyd's death a homicide.
And then all the activists go, And they start screaming because they think homicide means intentional murder.
Then what happens is, you know, in these cases with cops, it'll be ruled a homicide because the cop... Let's say a cop shoots somebody in self-defense.
Cop's walking down the street, whistling a jaunty tune, and a guy jumps out and says, Ha ha!
Copper, I'm gonna kill you!
So the cop shoots him first.
Then, the medical examiner says the person died.
It was a homicide.
The activists say, The medical examiner said it was a murder!
Why isn't he going to prison?
Because they don't understand the difference.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I was like, you're right.
seamus coughlin
Well, no, this is actually a failed state because we have trials for these kinds of things.
tim pool
Well, yeah, we all are big fans of the great philosopher Chelsea Handler.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Who in her glowing wisdom said, why are we even having a trial?
We've all seen the video.
Then we had The Nation, which is the left-wing publication, saying, in a reasonable society there wouldn't even be a trial.
seamus coughlin
That's what they say about reasonable societies.
tim pool
Well, they said because he would take the plea and plead guilty.
And I'm like, that's not reasonable when, in this case, and it's not reasonable when anyone else does it.
I hate that idea of people just pleading out because they're scared.
There are a lot of innocent people who get locked up.
They just plead guilty.
jack murphy
I don't know.
At this point, I'm starting to think this guy should just walk clean.
He did less than what could have been done by protocol.
He did something that he was trained to do.
George Floyd looked like he could have died just standing there.
tim pool
He was saying, I can't breathe.
jack murphy
No, I'm just saying, look at the guy.
Right?
Look at the guy.
The guy did not take care of himself.
How old was he?
He was probably on his way to dying anyway.
Right?
Well, I'm just saying, like, you just look at all the factors.
You look at everything and you're like, you know what?
This guy's going to walk in a just society.
tim pool
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a fan of that argument because there's a lot of old people who don't deserve to die when Andrew.
jack murphy
I'm not saying he deserved to die, but I'm saying the guy committed a crime.
He went through the process.
The guy used less than forceful, all of the protocols that were available to him.
He, that guy showed restraint.
tim pool
It's true.
jack murphy
Hold on.
tim pool
Let me, I want to address that comment real quick.
What I mean is you said, you know, George Floyd seemed like he was probably on his way to die.
There are a lot of older people that were in nursing homes that were literally on their way to die and Cuomo still killed them.
jack murphy
So a hundred percent, a hundred percent, just because you're older infirm doesn't mean you deserve to die.
I don't know how that came out.
You said George Floyd was on his way to die anyway, and I'm like... Alright, but you know, when you talk about the drugs, the heart condition, the methamphetamine, which is also a vasoconstrictor, he takes a respiratory depressant, he's got 90% constriction in his blood vessels already, that dude was trying to kill himself!
He was killing himself already!
ian crossland
Or someone else who was getting behind the wheel of a car.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
High on fentanyl.
No, high on meth!
ian crossland
And meth.
tim pool
I mean, the combination of the two, behind the wheel of the car, is... It's not about himself, it's about the reckless endangerment to himself and others.
And so the cops, they stopped him.
And there was even, the medical examiner today, they showed a picture of Floyd with the thing in his mouth.
When the cop pulls him over, you can see something on his tongue.
The judge even said it looked like a pill in September!
And so he asked, like, what does that look like?
Based on what we've heard already, it looks like he's swallowing pills.
jack murphy
Right.
And we know that the state doesn't actually want to get to the bottom of this, right?
Because if they really wanted to get to the bottom of this, they would be giving the drug dealer immunity to get the real details.
seamus coughlin
To get him on the stand, but they won't.
jack murphy
Exactly.
tim pool
The state could say, Maurice Lester Hall, the dealer... They could promise him immunity.
You will be immune from prosecution if you testify, and they won't do it.
Because as soon as this trial's over, they're gonna file charges against him.
jack murphy
Well, as they should, which is actually something that I've been thinking about in terms of the calculus.
It's like, We give this guy immunity.
He can still go out there and sell drugs.
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
George Floyd clearly was on drugs.
All of these things we've just talked about.
Maybe they don't want to burn their powder on that.
I don't know.
It's a it's a thought.
But like, given the social ramifications, the cultural, political ramifications of the verdict, this for the city, for the country, they really should be doing everything they can to get to the bottom of it.
But they're not.
unidentified
You know what I saw that was... Here's the thing though.
seamus coughlin
Even if they were able to come out and definitively prove that we know for a fact he OD'd, the officer in question is completely innocent, Chauvin didn't do anything wrong, I think there would still be riots.
unidentified
Of course there's gonna be riots.
jack murphy
Even if the facts were a thousand to zero, there's still gonna be riots.
tim pool
If they took Derek Chauvin, After, a day after this happened and the riots were breaking out, and they marched him to the top of a pyramid and grabbed his arms and legs and put him over the shrine and took a giant axe, they would still riot.
They would say, we're gonna riot until the system changes.
They would find a reason.
seamus coughlin
Honestly, they might have rioted even more.
When you give a mob what they want, it doesn't exactly... That's what I'm thinking about.
ian crossland
Doing nothing right now is like a fire, a blaze that's burning through the fields, and you're not going to do anything.
You're just going to let it keep burning.
But parrying this guy is like pouring gasoline on the fire to try and put it out.
tim pool
You constantly reignite the tensions in the story and exacerbate things.
ian crossland
Yeah, so there's other ways to put out a fire.
tim pool
You know, you can burn the land around the fire, you can fix the system itself so it doesn't continue, but... If after this incident they said we will not be charging any of these officers, you'd have had the same riots, they would have ended, and there would be no more news this year.
By charging him, he is going to get acquitted on many of these charges because they're insane, and they're going to reignite the anger.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I'll tell you something though, I want to mention this.
I don't know if the defense are masters playing 4D, even 5D chess.
Maybe they're just slipping on banana peels and then pulling off backflips.
That's the joke.
Instead of flipping and falling down, you go, whoop, land perfectly.
jack murphy
I meant to do that.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So here's the defense, right?
The defense brings on this cop who pulled over Floyd in 2019.
And he's like, let's show the body camera footage from what happened.
And in this body camera footage, the cop is cussing at Floyd, kind of yelling, and I'm like, wow, this doesn't look good for this cop.
George Floyd is like, I'm trying, man, I don't understand.
And then you can hear one of the other cops yell, spit it out, spit it out.
He takes Floyd out of the vehicle, cusses him, and the body camera footage stops.
And I was like, what was the point of watching that?
Then the prosecution starts.
And he's like, no further questions.
The prosecution steps up and says, did George Floyd faint?
No.
Did he fall down?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Did he need to go to the hospital?
No.
Was he okay?
And then they're like, George Floyd in this instance, you know, was panicking, saying, I can't breathe, but he didn't die.
He didn't, you know, he wasn't killed.
So clearly, you know, in the same circumstance, he was fine.
And that was the setup because the narrative now is that the prosecution basically stated George Floyd in the past has feigned medical emergency to no ill effect to him.
It looked like they were saying that they tried making the argument, see when he was sick before nothing bad happened.
And the defense was like, see before he pretended to be sick too.
And if nothing happened, why should a cop now reasonable believe he's being reasonable in his statements?
So it was actually a pretty interesting flip on the prosecution that they walked right into.
Watching the prosecution so far, I'm surprised that these left-wing outlets can even pretend they're doing well.
They had some good days.
seamus coughlin
Initially, at the beginning, when the judge allowed for a week of people to just testify about how horrible it was to watch, yeah, they were doing decently.
jack murphy
But so many of their witnesses have said things that you're like, that was a defense witness, right?
tim pool
Right, right, right.
That's what I'm saying.
The prosecution had only, I think like one or two real good days.
And that was just in the last week on like Thursday and Friday where they got the experts to say, You know, Chauvin killed him.
He shouldn't have.
He shouldn't have used this force.
And then on cross from the defense, they were like, eh, and it wasn't really good for the defense.
And so some of the analysis is basically that Nelson seems to be tired.
There's like multiple prosecutors and only one, you know, or one or, you know, I think one defense attorney.
But for the most part, the state's witnesses have constantly said things where you're like, What?
jack murphy
introducing doubt on their own. The prosecution's wit. It's so
bad that you think that they just didn't even do prep. I've been involved in depositions in court cases, the lawyers
sit down with you for days. They ask you all the questions in
the order, they're going to ask you the questions, they
unidentified
basically give you a flip in script, and then they have another
tim pool
lawyer cross examine you as if they were the the opposition
jack murphy
council. So either they're what arrogant, they didn't do the
prep. It must be it right.
tim pool
They just didn't do the prep?
jack murphy
Or they don't want Chauvin to go to jail because... So the prosecution is... What's the word when you screw up on purpose?
Sabotaging their own fight?
The prosecution throwing the fight?
tim pool
I don't know if they're throwing the fight.
I think they just don't have a case.
jack murphy
That would be noble.
tim pool
I don't think they're throwing the fight.
I've mentioned it before, like what if they're actually just flubbing this, but the reality is they're doing the best they can.
There's no case.
Chauvin should not have been charged.
jack murphy
Not at all.
tim pool
Manslaughter is the only reasonable charge in the death of George Floyd.
Only reasonable because it's an argument about whether or not his training went up, he was negligent in his use of force.
jack murphy
And he wasn't, so he should be acquitted even on manslaughter.
tim pool
Exactly.
jack murphy
This whole thing is a frickin' joke.
This is a scumbag doing scumbag things, who died doing scumbag things, under the control of a cop doing the cop things that he was trained to do.
ian crossland
Maybe, maybe, but you don't know.
I mean, he did have his knee on his neck.
No, I mean, I know his back, but it looked like he had both.
tim pool
The testimony has shown that the knee wasn't consistently on the neck and moved back and forth.
Which means, this is where I guess the state was forced to change their argument because without consistent pressure on the neck, the argument of cutting off blood flow made no sense because Chauvin's knee moved several times.
So... Okay, well, here's how he killed him.
If the state can't tell me definitive... If the state came out and said, this man pulled a gun, on video, fired it, the bolt went in the guy, the guy died.
I'd be like, okay, that's their case, and I saw the evidence.
Now they're like, we think this is what killed him.
Was it that?
Well, actually, his knee moved.
So it wasn't that, but maybe it was this.
Bro, get your story straight.
Why don't you come back after you've figured out exactly what caused this guy to die?
Instead of giving me a 30-day trial where we argue about what actually killed the man.
If you don't know, how do you bring charges claiming someone did it?
That's what's crazy.
And again, they won't give immunity to Maurice Lester Hall because...
They're probably going to charge him.
He's the one who did it.
Right?
ian crossland
You know, one of the things that bothers me, yes, I think you are right, is that there's this desire to win in court.
It's the prosecution versus the defense and they both want to win.
What they should both be doing is getting to the bottom of the situation and trying to bring justice regardless of who was right and who was wrong.
If the prosecution finds out that the guy wasn't guilty, stop the case.
Yes.
tim pool
You know, this is what really bothers me watching Law & Order.
You guys watch Law & Order?
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
In the criminal justice system.
tim pool
Yes.
The people are represented by two equal, but you know, whatever.
Different.
It's annoying when there have been some episodes where they actually,
where Jack, the prosecutor in the OG Law & Order, defies the DA and dropped the case.
And like, he purposefully threw a case against this woman, and she burned her building down,
killed her son, and she did it because she was like suicidal and desperate,
and her son was having a seizure and she thought he died.
And so he was ordered to get her on murder charges, and he decided to go for an extreme charge that wouldn't
fly, that the jury would not rule on.
And he defied her because he knew it wasn't justice.
But that's TV.
In reality, the prosecutor's like...
I'll say whatever I have to say to get my case.
We have politics in play and Chauvin should go to prison for the rest of his life even though any reasonable person is going to look at this and be like, maybe you need to reform the police department.
Maybe you should stop training people to do this.
jack murphy
Look, maybe he was overcharged.
I don't know the details.
Was the person who decided to charge him the same person who's prosecuting the case?
Not really that relevant, but there's multiple prosecutors.
Interesting question.
But like in a in a decent world without the cultural and political backdrop to this case, then what's happening is exactly what we want to have happen.
Somebody dies, cop was involved, we do an investigation, and at the end of the day, we're like, eh, cop was fine.
That's what we want in our world.
But the problem is, is the cultural and political backdrop is such that we know that justice, ha ha, isn't that funny that these people say they're after justice, if justice prevails, Well, goodbye Minneapolis.
tim pool
Did you see the mayor of Brooklyn Center?
It's a city just outside of Minneapolis.
He came out and called the group Peaceful Protesters.
Thank you, Peaceful Protesters, while wearing a ballistic helmet.
I love that!
seamus coughlin
Mostly Peaceful Protesters, Tim.
tim pool
He's wearing a ballistic helmet while saying, thank you, peaceful protesters.
jack murphy
He wore it to protect himself from all of the right-wing MAGA patriots who were there, who were throwing grenades and bottles and beer cans at him.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It wasn't that he was—it wasn't wearing it because he was concerned about his—about violence.
He was concerned about the celebratory peace bricks that get thrown in celebration.
The peace bricks.
seamus coughlin
It's crazy how many businesses have just been blessed by having a peace brick thrown through their window.
tim pool
Fires of peace destroying their buildings in celebration.
jack murphy
From the original George Floyd May Riots in DC, there were decorative bricks Yes, I remember those!
Whole giant piles of decorative, no, no, no, no, no.
Actual decorative rocks about yay big.
tim pool
Decorative.
jack murphy
Well, yeah, because they were like, they were fancy, right?
They had like specks in them and they were different colors and they filled up all of the flower planters on the corner of 16th and H, which is right, Black Lives Matter Plaza, whatever.
And I just, I've been thinking about this so much lately.
There was just, just hordes of people just picking up these fucking, like half a brick size rock each, just chucking them through the windows of these big office buildings.
They're just shattering all the glass.
tim pool
Peace rocks.
jack murphy
Were they there before?
ian crossland
Were they painted?
jack murphy
No, they were like, you could tell they were like expensive.
Like somebody paid to decorate these planters with them, but they turned out they were peace bricks.
tim pool
All right, let's talk about Lady Chauvin, right?
So, the Chauvin trial's going on, you know, we got to talk about the political ramifications for the jury and these new riots and what's causing them.
We got the story from NBC News.
Ex-officer Kim Potter charged with second-degree manslaughter in Dante Wright case.
Potter, a 26-year-old, a 26-year Brooklyn Center, Minnesota police veteran, shot and killed Dante Wright during a traffic stop Sunday.
I think at this point we all know, for the most part, what the story is.
This guy Dante Wright had a felony warrant for aggravated robbery.
He was at a party.
Spent the night.
Woke up.
Approached a woman who had cash.
He flashed his gun at her and said, give me the money.
And he threatened her.
And she said no.
They fled.
She called the cops.
He got a warrant.
They pull him over for expired tags.
His plates were expired.
That's a legitimate stop.
They take him out.
They cuff him.
The cop is on the body camera saying, don't do it!
Don't run!
Don't run!
Stop!
And then he fights.
Jumps in the car.
Lady cop pulls out her gun and she yells taser taser taser.
They jump out of the way and she shoots him and then she goes Holy s I just shot him Now she's being charged These extremists have published her home information or address so the cops have built erected barricades around her house because they're expecting riots I guess the challenge here is, I mean, what do we even say about this happening again?
Look, police shootings will happen.
They will always happen.
Until we develop telekinesis gloves, that the police can just put their hand up and the person freezes.
There's going to be lethal force.
seamus coughlin
Until the social worker puts their hand up and the person freezes to death.
jack murphy
If only there was a licensed clinical social worker there.
Who could have just calmed everyone down.
And got that fella to just walk right into jail.
tim pool
Yeah.
The social worker would have seen Dante.
And when they said, stop, don't run, Dante would have been like, wait a minute.
unidentified
Stop.
tim pool
Don't run.
I didn't think about it like that.
Or if they put his hand behind his back and they walk him to the squad car and it's all over.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, that's it.
Or if they really want to play with his head, they're like, don't stop, run!
unidentified
And he's like, wait a minute.
seamus coughlin
And he doesn't do it.
tim pool
The cops employ reverse psychology.
seamus coughlin
That's what a degree gets you.
It's sad because...
It's sad, because obviously this is going to continue to happen, right?
Police officers have to use lethal force, just given the nature of their line of work, and sometimes it's not going to be justified, and sometimes it is going to be justified, but either way, it's going to be treated by the dominant media culture as if it's not justified, and these kinds of things are going to happen.
We're going to keep burning our country down.
I'm generally saying, like, I have no idea what the solution is.
I don't know where we go from here.
It's frightening.
tim pool
You ever see those videos where they have, it's a big gun and it fires, it's a bunch of weights in a circle with a big net behind it and it spreads out and it catches all the pigeons.
I'm half kidding, but I'm wondering if the real solution is, I wouldn't even call it reform, but a change in police tactics and how you deal with a stop like this.
So what happened was they got him out of the car, but they were holding him right next to the driver's seat.
So when he ripped away and jumped into the driver's seat, they could have got him out and immediately pulled him back and pulled him far back.
I know it's easy to be like, I wasn't there, but here's what I would have done.
But I'm wondering if there's like, if we could look at how police behave.
You know, instinctively, and then come up with a simple training plan or procedure plan that can put a roadblock in a lot of these circumstances.
Like, face the guy backwards immediately, you know?
Or, like, make his left leg over his right leg, or something like that, that could just make it very difficult for them to get the jump on a cop in some way.
unidentified
Cuff their feet.
tim pool
It's not easy, you know?
Yeah, cuff their feet right away!
ian crossland
There's a tendency for people to take advantage of things they see that they didn't realize.
It's like, don't leave your backpack in your backseat in plain view.
Because if someone walks by, they're way more likely to break into your car if they see something.
jack murphy
That is so misogynistic of you to say, dude.
She can wear whatever dress she wants, wherever she goes, at any time, boy.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
But don't tempt fate, I guess is the point.
jack murphy
Nope.
seamus coughlin
Misogyny.
This is what's interesting about what Tim just said, too, though.
There are, what, four million police interactions per year, and the number of people killed by police officers, shot by police officers, is usually under a thousand, usually in the hundreds.
And so it's extremely rare.
And so my point is, even if they change their tactics to minimize the number of deaths, there are still going to be some deaths, and there are still going to be riots as a result.
tim pool
It takes only one.
jack murphy
You know, if everybody just took a GD stats class.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
With this, I shortened it up.
I thought it just totally neutered.
seamus coughlin
We know what you were saying.
jack murphy
I totally neutered.
I thought he crossed himself as I, as I semi blasphemed.
It was, I tried to use acronyms.
I'm sorry.
If everybody would just take a gosh darn, which is what I meant in the first place, bro.
Class on statistics.
Well, then maybe we could put all this stuff in perspective.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
Agreed.
ian crossland
I got a question about this.
When she yelled, Taser, Taser, Taser, was she ordering the other cop to fire their taser and she was just holding her gun waiting?
tim pool
I don't think she said yet, and that's smart, but the department said they thought she was intending to use her taser, intending to use her taser, but then grabbed her gun instead.
That was stupid.
Because... Most people look at this, and I think a reasonable person sees this.
Here's a guy who's wanted on aggravated robbery.
He's been known to have a Ruger .45 in the past.
He resisted arrest, attempted to flee, and then jumped into his car, and they couldn't see what he was reaching for.
At that point, shooting him was justified.
ian crossland
I think so too.
You couldn't see him, he turned away, and he looked like he was reaching into the passenger seat or something.
tim pool
And why?
I don't understand why, what do they think's gonna happen?
It's like, I'm gonna get away from this cop and then a week later I'll go to jail for ten more years!
Like, what do they think's gonna happen?
jack murphy
The same thing that leads them to commit these crimes is the same thing that leads them to do these dumb things in the presence of cops.
Poor impulse control.
Total stupidity.
Sheer lunacy.
Bad education.
No father.
No community.
All these systemic issues.
tim pool
Well this guy had a dad.
jack murphy
He what?
tim pool
This guy had a dad.
jack murphy
Well, he had a suck-ass dad, then, apparently, who didn't... Well, that's not... No, no, no, no, no.
seamus coughlin
I wasn't... That wasn't directed at you.
That wasn't directed at you.
I was just saying a prayer for the guy.
jack murphy
But we can say a prayer for him, but at the same time, like, I'm trying to acknowledge that this is a systemic issue.
seamus coughlin
Oh, no, I 100% agree with you.
unidentified
Right?
jack murphy
There's a huge system that breeds something like this, where somebody doesn't know that you don't carry a gun, you don't commit crimes, you don't commit aggravated assault, you don't try to flee from a cop, and you sure as heck Don't put your hand down on the floorboards when a cop has a gun drawn on you.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
No, but nobody understands this.
That's crazy to me.
It's because people make this out about systemic racism, but these are all things that I, as a very white person, would never dream of getting away with doing in front of a police officer.
It's insane.
tim pool
We talked about this before.
jack murphy
Why is it that if it's about systemic racism, I am taught as a white person who's apparently in this white dominance culture and I can get away with anything, Every time the cop comes to my car when I get pulled over going a hundred into forty five Ten and two.
Yep license and registration in one hand.
Yes, sir.
No, sir.
Even if he's 19 years old in a punk Yes, sir.
No, sir.
No, excuse sir.
Yes, sir.
No, sir.
Yes, sir.
No, sir.
That makes that's I'm white supremacist Why exactly why?
tim pool
So I don't know about you guys, we talked about this before, but I got the talk when I was younger.
seamus coughlin
You know the talk?
tim pool
So they're about learning karate and learning martial arts.
unidentified
How to fight kids who bully you.
jack murphy
How to play chess.
unidentified
The trick to running fast is you put your arms behind your back.
tim pool
When I was little, my dad said, When you encounter police, here's what you have to do.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Here's how you respond, you know, when they're at the door, here's when you get pulled over, here's what you gotta do.
Turn the dome light on, turn the radio off, stop the car, take your keys out, put them on the dash, take your wallet, your phone, whatever you got, put it on the dash, your insurance on the dash, hands 10 and 2, and have the window rolled down so when they walk up and they say, license and insurance, you go, it's right here officer, and you take it right in front of Plainview and you open it up, instead of reaching in the glove box or reaching, I was told to do that.
I don't understand when I see these commercials.
There's a commercial they did where it's like a black father talking to his kid and it's like, it's time for the talk, what you need to understand about police in this country.
And I was like, I don't understand why they don't try to represent just poor people in general, because I've been through that.
You were just saying the exact same thing.
You were told the exact same thing.
That's how you behave with the police.
I'm wondering if you guys were ever told that when you were little.
Here's how to behave around cops.
ian crossland
Ian's not.
I'll let you know.
I was told like, do that.
And I was like, okay, I didn't know why.
And then someone later told me because the cop is terrified.
They don't know if you have a gun.
So they're assuming you have a weapon at all times.
If you make jerky movements, they're going to think you're going for a weapon.
Then it sunk in.
I was like, that's why.
Okay.
Yes.
tim pool
Right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So why is it that I'm told that?
Why is it that you're told that and then you were told that?
seamus coughlin
Dude, so all of my uncles are police officers.
Or not all of them, but three of them.
Of course they are!
So of course three of my dad's brothers became cops.
Three of my dad's nine brothers.
His 100 siblings.
My parents told me when I was a kid, you have to be very careful when you're interacting with the police.
And they also said this, they're like, yeah, your uncles are good cops, but there are crooked cops out there.
They told me as a kid, don't talk to the police.
Don't even talk to them.
When they ask you questions, keep your mouth shut, call us.
tim pool
Or did they say, tell him your uncle's a cop?
seamus coughlin
Tell your uncle's a cop.
Sometimes, I knew to do that on my own.
I had those street smarts.
I was like, hey, you know any of the Coglins out there or police officers?
He's like, oh yeah, I used to work with that guy there.
tim pool
There are a lot of tricks that people do when they have family in the police department or the fire department.
seamus coughlin
I wouldn't know about that, Tim.
So it's simple things like- So what you're saying is, there are a lot of tricks people do if they're Irish.
tim pool
Fire department, police department, it's all- One of the tricks was just, I'll just say this, if I was to get pulled over, What's going on?
Sorry, I'm trying to rush to the fire department to meet my dad for dinner.
unidentified
Oh, you're good to go, buddy!
tim pool
Professional courtesy for the firefighters who are helping us out.
Things like that, but no joke, the police have the stickers, the firefighters have the stickers, and I'll simplify the story, but I've had instances with police who have pulled me over, and then when they see the firefighter emblem, they're like, who's the firefighter?
It's my dad, and they're like, have a good day.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
tim pool
Don't do it again.
ian crossland
Sticker on the back, my dad was a fireman.
seamus coughlin
Wait, both of your dads were firemen?
jack murphy
My sister was a fireman.
seamus coughlin
Well, guess what?
My brother's a paramedic for the fire department.
tim pool
A fireperson.
lydia smith
Yes, yes.
jack murphy
I'm not sure.
She definitely has her pronouns in her emails now.
tim pool
Fireperson.
jack murphy
That's her job, her corporate job.
Fireperson.
tim pool
Firemixin.
seamus coughlin
Firemixin, dude.
jack murphy
Cops, firefighters, and don't forget animators, postal workers as well.
Do they get letter carriers?
We definitely had a bunch of letter carriers in our family.
tim pool
But if you get pulled over and you tell the cop you're a post office worker, do they let you go?
jack murphy
No, I don't think that works the same way.
tim pool
I think the issue is if you're like EMS, paramedic, fire department, cop, it's because they all work together.
First responders.
Yeah, first responders.
I don't think it's necessarily about like professional courtesy.
In the sense where it's like, Oh, you work for the fire department, then it's more like, I'm going to see this guy later on.
And we have to have a calm working relationship.
If somebody is a family member of a firefighter, you know, and they come, they complain about me or my badge number.
Then one day I see the guy and there's pool.
It's like, Oh, geez, I pulled this guy's kid over.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
But I have gotten pulled over.
I don't carry, I don't put the stickers on the back of my window.
I have fire firefighters.
I have police chiefs.
In fact, in the family, I've got cops.
We've got the whole thing.
And every single time.
tim pool
Absolutely.
jack murphy
Yes, sir.
ian crossland
No, sir.
Yes, sir.
jack murphy
No, sir.
tim pool
Because telling the cop that you're in the family comes after they're comfortable and they see your hands in plain view.
ian crossland
We had a joke because it was so obvious what you're talking about, to me anyway, once you think about it, that we'd be like, they'd be like, licensed registration, sir.
We'd be like, Yeah, it's right here in my glove compartment!
tim pool
That's a really bad idea.
seamus coughlin
Don't try that one.
ian crossland
It's a joke.
tim pool
Never, ever, ever.
jack murphy
And the next day they go free climbing.
unidentified
So there you go.
ian crossland
So like, come on guys.
Stay perfectly still.
Assume from the police officer's perspective and assume that they think you have a weapon.
jack murphy
So now I think we are minimizing some instances in which there's actually been people with their hands up on their knees getting shot, shot through the doors and whatever.
But we're just talking specifically about auto stops and how you can handle yourself in an auto stop with law enforcement.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and here's the thing, there are psychopaths in every profession, so of course you're going to have psychopathic cops, or even just people with other illnesses which are untreated, or who are just plain evil, who will conduct themselves in dangerous ways or even kill people.
But we still want to teach people how to behave when they're with, and a lot of it is just common sense, but you want to help people understand that we could minimize the number of deaths at the hands of police each year if folks just understood this.
tim pool
Let's invert the politics.
Because we had another officer-involved shooting a few months ago that did not result in widespread rioting, and that was Ashley Babbitt.
So we got the story from CNN.
jack murphy
Who killed Ashley Babbitt?
tim pool
We don't know.
Here's the story.
Prosecutors won't pursue charges in shooting death of Ashley Babbitt during Capitol riot.
Long story short, they said the officer didn't understand what was happening.
She defied repeated commands.
The officer was scared.
He fired.
He killed her.
jack murphy
Through a door.
tim pool
Through a door.
He couldn't see her.
She wasn't holding anything.
jack murphy
He fired blindly into a crowd.
Yep.
Okay.
tim pool
Justified, they said.
jack murphy
These are the same people on January 5th said, we don't need any reinforcements.
We don't need any extra cops.
We don't need any National Guard.
January 6th, January 5th.
We know how all this stuff is coming.
We don't need anybody.
ian crossland
Babbitt's the girl that climbed up in the Capitol building, right?
jack murphy
No, she was standing behind a door.
ian crossland
A door, yeah.
jack murphy
She was standing behind a door and a cop, the Capitol Police, shot right through the door and just killed a woman who was just standing there.
ian crossland
Okay, but this is the girl I'm thinking of.
The only person who was murdered.
It looked like she was climbing up and put her head in the window and they saw a head pop up and fired.
tim pool
That's not a threat.
I'm sorry.
Seeing someone's face isn't a threat.
I'm sitting here, you know, arguing that in many instances there could have been an alternative for the cop.
It's so sad that these young black men have lost their lives in these circumstances.
It's regrettable.
And then here you have a woman who quite literally just peeks her head through a window and takes a bolt to the neck.
There were cops behind her.
So if you watch the video, she goes down and immediately a SWAT team is right there within like 10 or 15 seconds.
What if that guy fired and hit one of those cops?
This, to me, is... They would be prosecuting him.
jack murphy
They'd be investigating him.
tim pool
You know what it is?
It's very, very simple.
jack murphy
She's not human, dude.
That's why.
tim pool
Listen.
These people messed with the seat of power.
The Trump supporters went to the Democrats' home.
Business home.
In these other places, it's on the streets, on a highway.
In Portland, it's outside a police association building.
jack murphy
Federal courthouse.
tim pool
Yeah, the Democrats don't work there.
jack murphy
Well, it's still part of the seat of power for that locality in that region.
tim pool
But it wasn't like they went to Pelosi's office.
jack murphy
Right.
So all this is symbolic, which means it means it doesn't have any resonance.
tim pool
In fact, there's no equality under the law anymore.
jack murphy
There's none.
They're not even prosecuting or investigating.
The only person who was murdered was Ashley Babbitt.
All those other deaths have been ruled not homicides.
They're not even prosecuting anybody.
And they're not even prosecuting—they're holding people in solitary confinement.
23 hours a day, people have been charged with trespassing.
tim pool
And some people are being beaten by the guards.
There's been reports, like, one guy was brutally beaten and he's got, like, broken eye sockets.
jack murphy
Look, if you want to really get in on details on this, there's one Julie Kelly.
Check her out.
She has been following all this.
She's been tracking all the court cases.
We talked about having her come on my podcast.
Check her out.
Julie Kelly.
She's doing great work.
Hi, Julie, by the way.
ian crossland
So what is this guy's a federal cop?
So they're not he's not getting this.
jack murphy
He's kept Capitol Hill police.
I mean, I don't know why they're not invest.
I mean, the only reason I invest in because MAGA patriots are not human.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
It's super dark.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, but it's I mean you look at how the media you know, I'll put it this way though super dark
ian crossland
MetaNet?
tim pool
I I am still kind of optimistic for a few reasons, right?
I talked about the media's collapse the rise of independent platforms like substack
One of the projects Ian spearheading now is I don't we should come up with a name for it. Yeah, MetaNet. I don't
know MetaNet Did you just come up with that?
ian crossland
No, we were talking about that on a call a couple days ago.
seamus coughlin
I was going to say, if you don't have that trademarked or the domain bar yet, it's an open source project free for everyone.
tim pool
The goal is to create an open source program that can create a subscription platform for everybody that networks with other platforms so no one can be banned anymore yet your own website.
But this is going to decentralize the internet and strip away a lot of the power from the narrative machine.
I take a look at CNN.
When we Google search riot and we get all this mainstream news about the Capitol but nothing about Minnesota.
And then we got one super chat that figured it out for us.
You needed to search for peaceful protest.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, that's brilliant.
tim pool
Yes, of course.
We did.
So we searched Riot and got Capital and we searched peaceful protest and it was like Minnesota protest, peaceful protest, Mike Elliott.
And so I think about this.
jack murphy
Oh, that's interesting.
tim pool
At what point do people stop watching CNN because they're not getting news anymore?
Let me put it this way.
I saw a popular YouTuber, I won't say their name, very progressive, And they posted about Donald Trump for their, like, main segment.
And I was like, dude, it's April 14th, and there's riots.
The Derek Chauvin trial is in full swing and coming to an end.
There is so much rich news to pump into the veins of an unsuspecting populace.
Instead, they're like, Donald Trump!
So I'm thinking this.
You know, a lot of people were asking the question, what will we do after Trump?
I remember news outlets were talking about it.
And I remember people asked me that.
They were like, well, I mean, you talk politics all day.
Like, what are you going to do when Trump's gone?
I'll be like, bro, last year I was talking about Sonic the Hedgehog.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I was talking about Sonic the Hedgehog and Birds of Prey and how the non-woke fun kids movie was way more entertaining.
I was like, I got everything to talk about because I care about news, not politics.
Now that Trump's out, we got so much to talk about.
Chauvin trial, riots, arrests.
Yet how are these news outlets like CNN and these progressive YouTubers still making segments about Trump?
At a certain point, they're going to be trapped in the past.
And I imagine regular people are gonna be watching and they're gonna be like, Hey, I heard about this thing that happened in Detroit.
And the guy's gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But anyway, Donald Trump.
And they're gonna be like, dude, Trump's not president for months.
Why are you still talking about this?
They're going to chase Trump into irrelevancy.
And I'm all for it.
jack murphy
I'm optimistic.
How many of these progressive YouTubers actually just made their whole entire career out of Trump, right?
That's all they know.
That's all their clicks, all their views.
Everything comes from that.
They're not well-rounded people.
seamus coughlin
That's the grift, baby. Right. You know, I found the anti-Trump.
jack murphy
So like I came up out of this little niche in the Internet called the Manosphere,
but I was able to break out of that because not only was I capable of talking about those issues,
but I have like a well-rounded background of education, experience, knowledge, education.
I'm happy and easy to talk about all kinds of stuff. So I know.
seamus coughlin
You know what I value more than my Ferrari?
Knowledge.
unidentified
Books.
jack murphy
How you like them apples?
By the way, Julie Kelly, also from Chicago.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I was gonna say, well, with a name like Julie Kelly, I assume her uncles are on the police department.
unidentified
Orlin Park.
seamus coughlin
Orlin Park.
Yeah.
tim pool
Continue, continue.
jack murphy
So, no, it's like, they're just gonna be exposed for being one-note people.
One-note people.
One-note people.
And those people are gonna die.
All of you guys out there still making the same content that you made in 2014?
You gotta evolve.
How boring is that life?
Anyway, I feel bad for those people.
I feel bad for the people that are still talking about Trump, still talking about dating and mating, still talking about that one thing that got you attention over and over.
It's like being Bananarama and having to go play that one damn song all the time.
tim pool
Look at CNN.
CNN's a great example.
Ratings are starting to improve for a lot of people.
We had this period after the inauguration where ratings started to go down because people are like, okay, I'm done, it's over.
Now interest is starting to come back in a variety of stories and a lot of people are reporting on like YouTube and podcasts, ratings are starting to come back, it's a good day, but CNN's ratings are still going down.
unidentified
Oh no!
tim pool
Look at Reliable Sources, I love that name, Reliable Sources, okay?
They had this whole thing where throughout the Trump presidency they talked about the right-wing media ecosystem and it's fueling Trump.
And it worked as a media show because it was Trump's narrative networks.
These various outlets that were propping up Trump.
Now that Trump isn't president, it's just one guy saying like, I watched Fox News yesterday and Tucker pissed me off!
And I'm just like, I don't care.
I don't care what Tucker said that you don't like, because he's not the president.
He's not fueling a president.
Joe Biden is the president.
But when your whole grift is built upon ragging on right-wing media, once they lose relevance, he has nothing to pivot to.
What's he going to do?
The New York Times announced that the tech division was forming a union.
Oh, yeah, people are going to watch that, right?
But that really happened.
I mean, who cares, though?
jack murphy
Nobody cares.
tim pool
So he's trying to milk desperately like, Tucker Carlson is the new Trump.
Remember when Brian Souther said that?
He said, Tucker Carlson sounds a lot like Trump, doesn't he?
seamus coughlin
You wish.
People are just like, they're begging for a new Trump.
jack murphy
We wish Trump was more like Tucker.
seamus coughlin
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
tim pool
They don't have anything to offer.
ian crossland
I feel like I get more enjoyment reading some news articles and then talking to you guys about it than watching it on TV and being told about it.
But I think a lot of people don't have a friend that they can talk to about politics.
jack murphy
That's why we're here.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
ian crossland
Thank you for being my friend, Jack.
jack murphy
I mean, my pleasure, sir.
My pleasure, absolutely.
seamus coughlin
The Illinois boys will always be a friend to you.
ian crossland
I lived in Chicago for three years.
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
Were you born there?
No, I wasn't.
jack murphy
Naperville doesn't count, buddy.
unidentified
Hey, hold on!
seamus coughlin
I was born, no, I was actually born in Chicago, so I have my, I have my citizenship.
tim pool
Whenever, whenever, I'm talking to people and they're like... Are you from Naperville?
seamus coughlin
No, no, I'm not.
tim pool
We're from the same neighborhood.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so Tim and I, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
We were probably there around the same time, I'd imagine.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we left when I was pretty little, but we were right by, can I say?
Yeah, we were right by Midway.
tim pool
And I'm a bit older than you, so I was definitely a little kid and you were still around.
jack murphy
God, I am grandpa up here.
tim pool
Whenever I talked, and also, I don't know if I should say this, but there was a very prominent, very, very famous progressive who lived like two blocks away from me.
This is really crazy.
But whenever I ask people, like, where are you from?
They say Chicago.
I'll be like, oh, me too.
Where are you from?
They'll say Naperville.
For those that aren't familiar, it's like, what, 40 or 50 miles.
jack murphy
They're like, I'm from Iowa.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's like a 40 mile walk from Iowa.
That's hilarious.
Dude, once someone said that to me, I was like, oh, what part?
And they're like, Rockford.
tim pool
So like three hours away?
No, it was like an hour or two, two hours.
seamus coughlin
But to be fair, so I actually grew up in the suburbs.
We left the city when I was pretty little, but not Naperville.
Not that far away.
I mean, I will never have to say I'm from Naperville.
jack murphy
It's a big place.
There's no question about it.
tim pool
Yeah, and like, to be fair, what are you supposed to say?
I'm from Naperville, where's that?
seamus coughlin
It's almost Chicago.
No, it's also true.
tim pool
Yeah, so I used to tell people the Philly area, because we were in the Jersey side, so it's not literally Philly.
jack murphy
I know, but the first time I went to do your show in Philly, right?
I'm driving up to Philly, I get a hotel in Philly, and then I like put in the address to go to your house.
I'm like, wait, is this New Jersey?
tim pool
It's ten minutes from downtown.
seamus coughlin
Why did I get a hotel in Philly?
tim pool
It was ten minutes from downtown, that's the thing.
It's literally, you're downtown, you cross the bridge, you're there.
What am I supposed to say to people?
jack murphy
I'm from Southern New Jersey, dude!
tim pool
I'm not from there.
Our show is there.
So anyway, the media is garbage.
Which brings me to our next amazing story.
I would like to give all the people who are watching right now, silently in your home, start clapping for James O'Keefe.
Because this is maybe one of the biggest and best stories I think he's done.
Probably not true, I'm probably forgetting something more impactful.
But Project Veritas has gotten a CNN staffer on the record gloating about COVID deaths propping up their ratings.
And he says, the red phone rings, and it's Jeff Zucker, who I believe is the president, calling and saying, hey, get that death tracker on the TV because it's good for the ratings.
That's amazing.
seamus coughlin
That's horrible.
jack murphy
It's amazing, but is it really a shocker?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
jack murphy
What's the shocking part?
tim pool
The first expose that Veritas did the other day, where the guy's like, we hate Trump.
We want, we got him out of office.
We're propaganda.
I'm like, oh, surprise, surprise.
We know this, but still good job on Veritas getting this information.
But when the guys on camera being, here's what he said, quote, COVID gangbusters with ratings, right?
Which is why we constantly have the death toll on the side.
That made my jaw hit the floor.
I knew the bar was low for CNN, but come on.
He's on a date with a woman going like, gangbusters, man, COVID, all these people dying?
That's great.
Wow.
jack murphy
That to me was like... What's awesome is the context, if you think about it, right?
So this guy is on a date with a girl that swiped on him or somehow got connected with him.
Well, you know, we don't know how they met.
And they're on a date, and he's bragging to her.
He's bragging to her about how they're manipulating the country.
Can you imagine?
seamus coughlin
Please tell me this was the first date too.
You like take her out for a first date and you're like, guess what we're doing!
tim pool
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
First of all, not the propaganda, okay?
Imagine it's the first date and he goes, when people die, it's great for me!
seamus coughlin
It's like, I make so much money!
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
But you know, the sad part is, is he probably doesn't get a single extra penny based on on ratings and he's doing it because he's a corporate drone and he's selling out his country and all of his fellow countrymen so that some corporation and shareholders can get rich, which makes him double, triple loser.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Imagine going on a date with a woman and thinking you're going to get laid by bragging about how dead people are good for your company.
seamus coughlin
I don't think that works.
For money.
For money.
jack murphy
That turns me on.
seamus coughlin
Your first tip that this is a spy should be that you work at CNN and she's going on a date with you.
Like why on earth would anyone in their right mind?
jack murphy
The whole time he's like, this girl's hot.
seamus coughlin
She's like, she's really into me.
jack murphy
Why is she talking to me?
I don't know, I'm just gonna go.
Maybe it's because I work for CNN.
She must think that that's amazing.
tim pool
Is this woman's Twitter, uh, Tinder profile like, you know, people dying is exciting to me?
seamus coughlin
He feels comfortable.
She's like, please, I love being lied to.
He's like, perfect.
jack murphy
No, in the Tinder profile it says I like, like, Adderall addicted, alcoholic, balding, fat guys that work inside windowless rooms all day.
That's what I'm looking for.
tim pool
To be fair, this guy doesn't look like that.
jack murphy
Oh, never mind then.
seamus coughlin
But working for CNN puts you on that level, I think is what he's saying.
Working at CNN takes you from like a 10 to a 3.
tim pool
The reason why I take this seriously is because there's been other Veritas exposés where employees of CNN were actually like, we used to do news, this sucks, we're unhappy.
There was one guy, he's like sitting in a room, he's like an older middle-aged guy with a big old belly, and he's like, we used to actually go out and report stuff.
And when I saw that expose from Veritas, I was like, wait a minute.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When was the last time you saw CNN do a live report on the ground at a major event?
And at that point, it was like deep in the Trump presidency.
I was like, it's been years.
Yeah, it's been years.
So this guy's sad about it.
seamus coughlin
This dude, imagine the time of his life.
tim pool
Here's the best part though.
Jack, you mentioned it.
He's not getting a single extra penny for CNN doing well.
Imagine being like Randall from Recess, you know, like Miss Finster.
He's all happy and gloating like, human suffering makes my company succeed.
It's like, you're not benefiting from it.
He just likes watching people suffer because it benefits his tribe.
And imagine thinking it's going to get you laid.
jack murphy
I was thinking back, like, where in my brain and how did it get there that CNN had credibility?
And I was trying to reflect.
seamus coughlin
That was in there at some point?
jack murphy
Just now, I was reflecting on Tim's comments.
And yes, there was a moment in my pre-awakened state.
seamus coughlin
People are watching this, man.
You don't have to admit that.
jack murphy
Just stick around for the after show.
And so I was like, you know what it was?
It was Wolf Blitzer during the first Iraq war.
I feel like that, to me, anchored credibility in my mind for CNN.
But knowing what I know now, I look back and I just wonder how much of all that was complete nonsense and BS the whole time, too.
ian crossland
Yeah, a lot of that media, first Iraq war media was bull.
unidentified
Nonsense.
ian crossland
Based on what I've heard from people that actually served and fought over there.
seamus coughlin
Well, there was this series of papers that came out about these Afghanistan papers.
I've heard about them.
I'm not sure if you guys have heard about these, but yeah, I mean, we were lied to from the start.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
When was that?
Was that 2010?
seamus coughlin
This was not as far ago.
The Afghan papers were more recently.
tim pool
Are you talking about, did that come from that Russian psychological operator?
seamus coughlin
That guy, um, the wiki... The wiki, wiki Russia.
ian crossland
Russia leaks.
seamus coughlin
The wiki leaks.
unidentified
Yeah, no.
seamus coughlin
Jules, uh... Yeah, Jules.
Oh, that Russian trader!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah No, you're actually right.
ian crossland
Julian Assange is getting just dragged right now.
That's not right.
tim pool
They gave him something worse than a death sentence, in my opinion.
Julian Assange.
He was exposing the establishment, the corrupt machine.
Look, the emails that got released through WikiLeaks shined a light on what the DNC was doing with these media organizations, the nefarious double standards and all that stuff.
And for everything that Julian Assange has done, They gave him something worse than a death sentence.
It's a character assassination and indeterminate imprisonment.
jack murphy
Isolation, solitary confinement.
With no timeline, no hope.
ian crossland
It's crazy, dude.
The military industrial complex is the empire from Star Wars.
And if you ever watch Star Wars and think, what side would I be on?
Would I be part of the empire?
If you don't support Julian Assange, then you're part of the empire.
Yep.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, we're all sitting in the Death Star being like, I hate the Death Star.
seamus coughlin
I dislike this Death Star.
tim pool
It was so lame how the Death Star blew up, you know, Alderaan.
How do you dismantle it without blowing it up?
Imagine being in the Death Star doing a broadcast show where you're like, the decimation of Alderaan was wrong and protesting it and then like nothing changes.
jack murphy
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Did you say we're sitting inside the Death Star right now?
tim pool
Yes.
jack murphy
We're part of the Empire?
tim pool
Yes.
jack murphy
I'm confused.
tim pool
The United States government is staging these forever wars.
And then finally, we get this, like, Darth Vader accidentally loses an election somehow.
He screws up.
And then we get some crazy, like, you know, Jabba, a Hutt guy, who's this, you know, crazy.
Yeah, Trump the Hutt becomes the emperor somehow.
And I'm like, look, the Hutts are not good people, but this is better than Darth Vader.
Sidious is out.
What do we do?
And then the Empire takes it back.
And then Trump the Hutt was like, I want to do good deals.
I want to make lots of money.
Blowing up Alderaan isn't good for business.
Let's move.
Let's do peace on Tatooine.
Let's get our troops back.
And then the Imperials, the leadership, were like, no, no, we need to blow up these planets.
So, you know, then Darth Biden comes in.
seamus coughlin
Good old Darth Biden.
Get the lightsaber rusty, put it in a barrel.
Speaking of the industrial military complex and their lackeys in the media, it's interesting how CNN and some of these other outlets have characterized Biden extending the deadline for when we leave Afghanistan.
So Biden says that as a non-negotiable we're going to be out of Afghanistan by September 11th.
lydia smith
Oh.
seamus coughlin
And they're reporting it as if he just came in and decided we're gonna pull our troops out of Afghanistan.
No, Trump negotiated a deal with the Taliban where we were supposed to be out by May 1st, so Biden extended the deadline.
And they're reporting on it as if Biden just came in and pulled us out ahead of time.
And a lot of it is negative, too.
They're saying things like, well, Biden is doing this against the advice of foreign policy experts.
Of course we should stay there another 20 years.
tim pool
Lindsey Graham, he's like, he's gonna make another 9-11.
jack murphy
OK, y'all, this is as bad as the 100 million vaccinations in 100 days story.
You know, where like Biden comes in, he's like, I'm we're going to change
everything we're doing around here.
We're going to do 100 million vaccines in 100 days, which was exactly what Trump said, Trump plan.
Yeah, but now they're just screwing it up.
Now it's like he's going to say we're going to do 50 million.
unidentified
They're pushing.
Well, that's the thing.
seamus coughlin
The Taliban said the Taliban.
So there has not been a single American troop killed in Afghanistan in a year at this point, but the Taliban have said if we are not out by that May 1st deadline that we negotiated, they will start attacking the United States and our NATO allies again.
tim pool
Here's my prediction.
come like May 3rd or 4th, there's gonna be an attack on an American base and Biden's gonna be like
we have to stay, it's clear that they're not willing to allow peace, there's gonna be a series of news about
attacks that's exactly what I was thinking
jack murphy
deadline's gonna pass so the choreography is in place, the dancers are prepped,
the music is playing and the guys at Lockheed Martin are just going like this
unidentified
Yes.
Hold on.
Yes.
tim pool
Hold on.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Had to do to fight the foreign policy establishment to get us to the point where we could have a deal negotiated
We're in the near future. We'd have all of our troops withdrawn is completely out the window and we're gonna stay
tim pool
over there I think the CEO of lucky is a woman
Yes, Jack. Well, I just hold on that's pretty messed up So let me just say the women who run the military
industrial complex They jumped up onto their desks and started square dancing
together and doing a jig and they're all celebrating and clapping along
ian crossland
I would say they pulled up their skirts, but no they're James D. Tells oh, it's a guy Hal said
seamus coughlin
Information you never know these days He corrected you never
I want to say, like, I really hope we're wrong about this too, but I basically made the exact same prediction.
Yeah, I mean, Taliban promised they would attack if we're there past May 1st, as in two weeks from now, and we're saying we're going to stay there longer.
unidentified
Really?
seamus coughlin
You will?
jack murphy
You will?
Sweet, we're staying until September 11th?
tim pool
You promise?
You promise?
jack murphy
Why did they say September 10th anyway?
They're obviously trying to make a statement.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, September 11th, yeah.
That's when he said, we're gonna be out there on the 20th, like, right after the 20th anniversary.
tim pool
And then, right on cue, Lindsey Graham pops up, and he's like, Joe Biden's making a big mistake with this.
The Republicans have to rally together to keep the war going forever.
And then Joe Biden's gonna be like, you know, we gotta have compromise.
Come on, man, the Republicans, you know, we can't just take whatever we want.
I'm gonna compromise.
Okay, Lindsey, you're right.
We're not gonna pull out of Afghanistan.
Because we believe in negotiating.
jack murphy
Yeah, there was like three seconds when Lindsey Graham had credibility during the Kavanaugh trial.
seamus coughlin
And then that was just gone.
I love his quote was that the decision was dumber than dirt and devilishly dangerous, which is very nice.
ian crossland
Remember that cringy meme where he was like walking like a gangster and everyone was like, oh, I couldn't stand it.
You could see alcoholism in his eyes.
I was like, this guy's so lame and like the kids want a hero, you know?
Oh, I couldn't stand it.
I can't stand that guy.
unidentified
What a piece of trash.
tim pool
The Republican Party got support because they were forced in the Trump direction.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Exactly.
The American people rejected this.
No, when the Republican Party voted for Donald Trump, they were rejecting the foreign policy establishment.
Well, I mean, they were rejecting Hillary Clinton, right?
But when his movement had actual support from Americans who were going to his rallies and showing up for him, a lot of that was people who were conservative and who were sick of the foreign policy establishment running the show.
tim pool
Yup.
jack murphy
He beat 17 of those A-holes.
It was a very clear statement.
tim pool
Trump the hutt.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like that metaphor that he was like a hutt.
unidentified
Cause he was like this gangster from outside the system.
tim pool
A trade dealing, you know, doing deals, business.
The huts are bad people.
ian crossland
Arguably.
tim pool
And they're big, nasty, and fat and all that stuff.
But they weren't, they weren't like, they're not the Sith.
ian crossland
No, they're not force sensitive.
tim pool
They were people who were dancing around and enjoying their time along with them, and a lot of people were willing to do business with them.
And think about how even Luke Skywalker approached Jabba, he was like, I'll give you a chance.
So even the approach to the Hutts, or to Jabba specifically, was like, Maybe we'll make a deal.
With, like, the Sith.
It's like, you know, Obi-Wan draws the lightsaber immediately.
He's like, I'm gonna kill Anakin now that he says he's a Sith.
A guy I've known my whole life who's like, my brother must die the moment he says he's a Sith.
It's very, very different.
jack murphy
You know what I mean?
tim pool
Now that we're doing Star Wars memes.
jack murphy
We should just ask Leia what she thought of her time with the Hutts.
How long was she there chained up?
Do we know?
ian crossland
That's a good question.
I don't know.
Months?
jack murphy
Years?
tim pool
No, no, no, because she goes there in the beginning of the movie and then gets caught.
She's in the disguise, remember?
ian crossland
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah, and then he captures her and she's only there for a little bit.
ian crossland
I think between when Han got frozen in carbonite and Luke goes to Jabba that there was like a year or more had passed.
tim pool
So who's Luke in this analogy?
seamus coughlin
I don't even know.
It's you, dude.
tim pool
Definitely not.
jack murphy
No, you're Obi-Wan.
Look at the hair.
tim pool
No, it's gotta be like the son of a prominent Democrat who goes rogue and then like... Tulsi Gabbard, man.
jack murphy
No, I'm Han Solo.
ian crossland
Like, duh.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
Alright, alright, alright.
Should we talk about California?
jack murphy
She goes, I love you, and he goes... I know.
tim pool
That was improvised, I heard.
seamus coughlin
That was an improvised line, that's right.
jack murphy
Was it?
Well, that's baller.
That is real life right there.
seamus coughlin
This is Harrison Ford?
jack murphy
He stole my line.
unidentified
Harrison Ford.
tim pool
Apparently he was supposed to say something like, I love you too, but Harrison Ford was like, Han wouldn't say that.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So he's like, I know.
That was good.
unidentified
That was good.
tim pool
That was classic.
jack murphy
There's some Game 101 for you, Timmy.
tim pool
We gotta talk about California, guys.
We gotta talk about California, okay?
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
California over there?
So, in the conversation about being a chimpanzee full of snakes, you know, there's an interesting idea that emerges about... How many snakes?
We have this story.
seamus coughlin
50 snakes in the chimpanzee in 12 leave.
How many snakes are left in the story?
tim pool
Fox News reports, California promotes dismantling racism in mathematics, guidance in draft for statewide framework.
The concept, quote, the concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally false, document states.
Which you point out is funny because that itself is an unequivocal statement.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
seamus coughlin
So she says the concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally false and teaching it is even less so.
It goes on to say, or the document goes on to say, Upholding the idea that there are always right and always wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict.
Previous statement.
unequivocally false following statement.
We can't say there's objective truth.
That's ridiculous.
jack murphy
Are they going to put this to a vote?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
jack murphy
So they're going to count up the numbers and they're going to be like, this unequivocally says that we're in favor of this?
seamus coughlin
Well, hold on.
Math is not objective.
tim pool
These ideas have been around for a long time, and I think people just don't realize it.
jack murphy
2 plus 2 plus equals 3.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah.
Just being bad at math is a normal thing.
It happens to a lot of people.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
The purposeful deconstruction of math.
When I was younger, I had friends who were going to these schools where they were learning this trash.
I remember arguing with a friend of mine when we were having an argument or discussion and I said something like, nothing's absolute except math, I guess.
And then my friend was like, that's not true.
Math isn't absolute.
And I was like, well, okay.
As far as we can tell, math is our understanding of the universe and for the most part, we believe it to be absolute in many ways.
There are probably variables, but I guess.
And then she's like, no.
How do you know two plus two is four?
And I was like, because if I take two pens and then two more pens, there will be four pens.
And I got into an argument about semantics, deconstruction.
This is when I was like 16.
So these ideas have been around for a long time, and they've been getting worse, especially with colleges.
They're literally telling people, it's on Twitter, 2 plus 2 equals 5.
seamus coughlin
It's insane.
Well, here's the thing.
The system of mathematics which tells us that 2 plus 2 is 4 is what allows for the science to be done to build this kind of thing, and the camera I'm looking at, and the microphone I'm talking into, and which is what allows for the people watching at home to have access to this conversation.
There is an empirical basis for what we are talking about here with the rules and laws of mathematics.
The alternate... I mean, first of all, there is no proposed altered system or alternate system.
They just want to deconstruct what we have now.
It's completely ridiculous.
They have nothing.
They're holding an empty sack.
The whole point is, I can point out that you're incorrect.
But again, when they say things like, nothing is objectively true, including mathematics, they're making an objective statement.
tim pool
They're doing it so that dumb people will be sitting down and you'll say something like, in order to build a bridge, we need, you know, this math.
And they'll go, you're dumb.
That's not even true.
Math isn't even real.
And then the bridge collapses.
Wasn't there a story about like a bunch of feminists who built a bridge and it collapsed or something?
seamus coughlin
Well, no, I mean, I don't know.
jack murphy
It was, it was like a, it was like a girl's school or like all girls architecture engineering team or something.
tim pool
I think it did happen.
jack murphy
I don't know.
All I know is that when it's time to get paid, And someone is like, yo, I work two hours this day.
I work two hours that day.
That's four hours, bro.
And if your employer was like, no, it's just three.
Let's talk.
ian crossland
It depends on how.
So this is the thing.
Logic is real.
I agree.
But math is calculated in base 10 in our culture for the most part.
So 2 plus 2 does equal 4.
But if you're on a base 3, 2 plus 2 equals 1.
lydia smith
What culture is on a base 3?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Computers, for instance, use binary.
tim pool
What if they're on base orange?
Where their math is based on different kinds of fruit?
What if they're on base gender and math is not numbers but genders?
jack murphy
Do they really think in second grade they're like, by the way, base three?
We're now in base three, guys!
tim pool
Your argument is predicated upon someone else having different parameters that could exist in any place based on linguistics.
ian crossland
Math is a language.
It's a way to describe concepts.
And the different bases you use is a different language.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And Ian, you're wrong.
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
Math.
Math is not a language.
We have an English version of math.
What if I said un, deux, trois?
Those are different words, a different language.
ian crossland
But you're still in base 10.
tim pool
But I'm describing mathematical concepts using different words.
I can say flork, glop, blebo, and they could represent one, two, three.
They're just words to represent mathematical concepts.
ian crossland
But base 10 and base two are different languages to describe the same concept.
So, computers understand 1 plus 1 equals 1-0.
Because they work in binary, there are no 2s in computer language.
Well, we all know that 1-0 represents 2 in computer language, so it's operating... 1-0 represents the concept that 2 represents in a higher base.
tim pool
Actually, this is a really great representation of constructivism versus objective reality.
We're arguing that most people operating in good faith understand what you mean when you say 2 plus 2 is 4.
Your argument, Ian, is constructivist, where you're like, well, I can change the definition without telling you to subvert the argument.
ian crossland
I can use a different language to give you a different answer.
jack murphy
Change the assumption.
seamus coughlin
And the point I was making earlier, which is basically the point Jack made when he's bringing up your paycheck, is it's really easy to over-abstract these things and go, well, usually when I see math just on a paper and I'm told that these rules exist, but I can't actually be certain.
But when you look at what following these rules produces in the real world, it becomes very clear that math is an objective reality.
jack murphy
Right.
Well, when people say, like, how are we going to communicate with alien species?
There's like two different ways.
Math and music.
seamus coughlin
No bullets.
They come to my planet, they're catching nine men.
jack murphy
But it's important to put this in greater context, right?
The same people that are saying that two plus two is five are the same people that are saying that objective reality is white supremacy, that data is white supremacy, that being on time is white supremacy.
that being self-reliant is white supremacy, that everything in America is white supremacy,
and the United Nations just today, our rep to the United Nations said that our constitution
tim pool
is steeped in white supremacy. Murp. By the way- Bro, when they say math is white supremacy, that's like
they're going for- They're going to the root.
It's like, one thing to be like, your culture is white supremacy and you have an argument about it.
It's another thing to be like, math itself!
Objective reality is racist!
unidentified
Why not?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
ian crossland
I think the concept of zero was invented or discovered in like, I don't know, 200 B.C.
or something by some Arab guy.
tim pool
It was an amazing discovery.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I always was taught it was the Mayans.
It was an incredible discovery.
seamus coughlin
The Mayans discovered it, but they were not the first.
We found that they had also discovered it, which was very... The discovery of zero.
jack murphy
On their own, with no influence.
Interesting.
The discovery of so hold on hold on found exactly if they're discovering zero in two different locations
Totally isolated by time and space huh without any communication
seamus coughlin
Well, which isn't that crazy or also maybe it's universal all these cultures independent of one another have an
understanding of there being two sexes
ian crossland
So I Think the one point I want to make is that two plus two
equals one one in base three But it doesn't equal 11 the one one you might read that as
11, but it's not 11 It's a different language in base orange two plus two
equals an anna base one two three four five six seven eight nine
tim pool
And I created my own system called... Ian, what you're missing is the analog.
seamus coughlin
You can translate that mathematically.
So, right, with binary, like, 101 is 5.
But that translates to something.
1 is 1, but then 10 is 2, 11 is 3... And it's not 101, it's 101.
tim pool
Ian, how many shotgun shells are sitting in front of me right now?
ian crossland
One zero.
In binary.
tim pool
And what does that represent?
ian crossland
Well, two in base two or higher, so it's the exact same thing no matter what you call it.
tim pool
I'm gonna call it Floor Bow.
ian crossland
I use the word two because that's the language I'm comfortable with.
I'm not a computer.
A computer wouldn't be able to tell you that that's two.
tim pool
One, zero, and two are the same.
ian crossland
But a binary machine wouldn't be able to tell you that that's two.
tim pool
What you need to understand, Ian, is that you're talking about the exact same thing and using different words to describe it.
jack murphy
No, the way you're feeling... Hold on.
My turn!
seamus coughlin
Alright, I'm sorry, Jack!
We have to pass around an old style for the Illinois boys, and whoever has it gets to talk.
jack murphy
Uh, what you're doing is translating half of it without translating the answer.
And that's disingenuous.
If you're going to start talking in a different base, then to do it all on that base and then completely translate it back to base 10, then we'll see they're precisely the same.
What you did in your example, sir, is that you translated the first two parts of the equation, but didn't translate the answer.
And you left it looking in the same thing.
ian crossland
Hold on, are we giving you a base 5 or higher?
tim pool
Let's simplify this.
Ian, what is this thing right here in front of me?
Hold on, what is this thing in front of me?
ian crossland
It's a 45 APC.
I don't know.
tim pool
You're wrong.
ian crossland
It's a distance.
unidentified
You're wrong.
ian crossland
I can't see it from the distance.
tim pool
You're wrong.
It's a cartridge.
ian crossland
It's copper.
tim pool
You're wrong.
It's a cartridge.
ian crossland
It's all of the above.
tim pool
Well, you're wrong.
Because Ian seems to think that this object is a bullet.
It's actually a cartridge.
It's the same thing.
It's a different word to describe the same thing.
A synonym.
2 plus 2 does equal 4.
Saying 2 plus 2 equals 5 makes no sense.
ian crossland
No, that is wrong.
2 plus 2 does not equal 5 at any base.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, that's the point.
tim pool
No, the argument they have is that if you have 2.4, you round down to 2.
ian crossland
But that's not 2.
Oh, well that's really dumb.
tim pool
The argument they make is 2.4 plus 2.4 is 4, plus 8.
2.4, if you round, is 2.
So you'd get 4, but if you add them together, then you'd round up and get 5.
ian crossland
That's like common core.
tim pool
What they're doing is they're changing the parameters that no one asked for to create their own answers.
The point of which is to deconstruct your worldview and trick you into being their servant.
ian crossland
Exactly.
Okay.
Then that, I think maybe there's insidiousness to what these people are talking about, but I also do believe getting lost in base 10 and thinking that the world exists in base 10 is dangerous.
seamus coughlin
I'm so hardcore fine with bass.
Bass 10 is what I'm all about.
They call me Bass 10 Coghlan, man.
That's my nickname.
jack murphy
Look, just because you look at the sky and like say it in different languages doesn't mean you're not all looking at the sky.
It doesn't mean that the sky is different.
You're just speaking different language and that's all the different bases are.
Don't let anyone get confused.
Just a different language to describe the very same reality.
tim pool
2 plus 2 equals 5 in a language where 5 means 4 and 4 means 5.
How about that?
unidentified
Boom.
jack murphy
Done-zo.
unidentified
1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 6, 7, 8.
ian crossland
I can't get down with 2 plus 2 equals 5.
It sounds so silly.
Saying 2.4 is not 2.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
I think fundamentally we agree.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And math is racist.
It's just that it's racist.
seamus coughlin
And we need to stop teaching it in our school.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
Math exists.
And it's racist.
There is objective math.
But it is racist.
lydia smith
OK, yeah.
jack murphy
I mean, look, there's the accelerationist in me that says, go ahead.
seamus coughlin
No.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack murphy
Go ahead.
seamus coughlin
Jack, don't.
jack murphy
Go ahead.
Let them teach them that.
ian crossland
See what happens.
jack murphy
And there will be, there will be.
So this is the way feminism is going to end.
Is when a younger generation looks up at the older generation and says, I want nothing to do with that life.
I don't want to be crazy at Margaret.
I don't want to be 55 with cats and no kids wishing I had a husband and a family and lamenting the fact that I decided to really pursue that HR job where I got up to second senior assistant vice president.
The same thing could happen in these circumstances.
Unfortunately, it's sad that these kids are pawns.
unidentified
Exactly.
jack murphy
These kids, these kids will grow up not knowing math.
Not being employed, and then the kids behind him will be like, yo, teach me the math!
tim pool
Now hold on, hold on.
I know that it's silly to talk about how math is racist, but let's talk about something that is objective.
A lot of people might be going like, I don't understand their argument in the first place.
Let's, I want to give some, okay, hold on, let me slow down.
You tell someone math is racist, that's what they genuinely believe, and a lot of people are going to be like, huh?
But let me show you something.
This next story we have, it's a culture story, that should be able to be shown to any regular person to convince them this critical race theory is racist and insane.
My friends, I give you one of the funniest stories I've seen in a long time.
From the rap, Idris Elba's Luther was, quote, not black enough to be real, BBC's chief diversity officer says.
The UK cop doesn't have any black friends.
He doesn't eat any Caribbean food.
Miranda Whelan says during an industry conference, wow!
lydia smith
That's the most racist thing.
tim pool
The BBC's chief diversity officer said Idris Elba doesn't eat enough Caribbean food to be actually black.
Now you want to tell me what's racist?
That, yeah.
Idris Elba's great.
Have you guys seen The Dark Tower?
ian crossland
No, but I read it.
tim pool
I thought it was great.
It's incredible.
jack murphy
I mean, dude, I saw The Wire.
That's all I need to know about Idris Elba.
Oh, my God.
He's the star.
Sorry, Seamus.
Seamus.
I apologize, sir.
I'm offending my friend Seamus over here.
Idris Elba is amazing on The Wire.
tim pool
Well, I got to tell you, according to the BBC, he isn't black enough to play Luther.
Here's what they say.
Quote.
When Luther first came out, everybody loved the fact that Idris Elba was in there.
A really strong black character lead.
Miranda Whelan said on Monday, during a conversation on BBC's diversity and inclusion strategy at the digital MIPTV conference.
We all fell in love with him.
Who didn't, right?
But after you got into about the second series, you got kind of like, okay, he doesn't have any black friends, he doesn't eat any Caribbean food, this doesn't feel authentic.
This is the most amazing thing in the world.
Like, There was this meme that said sexism is when a man says to the woman, go do the dishes.
Equality is when the man and the woman both say, either one of us could do the dishes.
And gender ideology is whoever does the dishes is a woman.
But it's true. It's true. Now you look at this. Their definition of what makes him authentically black is that he's
a stereotype.
Idris Elba's awesome. He's Heimdall in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He did a great job. I thought it was fun. He's in
the Dark Tower. He's in a bunch of movies. He's red.
Why is he not authentically black?
He's literally a black dude.
This is the chief diversity officer believing that what defines someone's race is the food they eat and their stereotypes?
jack murphy
If Joe Biden was describing him, he would call him clean and articulate and bright.
tim pool
Like he did to Obama.
jack murphy
Like he did to Obama.
tim pool
Well spoken.
unidentified
Yes.
But no, but think about- Well, not nowadays.
seamus coughlin
He's clean and- Can I rub your legs?
Got hairy legs, yeah.
tim pool
But think about Idris Elba.
Is he supposed to be eating jerk chicken?
No joke, like Caribbean food?
Like, what does she expect of him to be authentic?
jack murphy
I quit eating cabbages and potatoes, boys.
Am I still in the club?
seamus coughlin
What about the corned beef, alright?
jack murphy
Oh, well, I'll eat the corned beef.
tim pool
I haven't had bulgogi in a long time, so I think I'm in trouble.
It's Korean beef.
jack murphy
When you said that, I was like, bro, I don't remember.
unidentified
You certainly don't.
tim pool
Yeah, but you know what?
I had some Irish food growing up too.
I'm sorry to hear it.
You guys aren't allowed to because that would be racist.
It's racist to partake in other cultures apparently.
And everyone is defined by the stereotypes they engage in.
So I guess for me that means I have to be drunk because I'm part Irish.
I have to use chopsticks and eat bulgogi.
And what other stereotypes?
Am I forced?
And to be a policeman.
And but be a cop on the roof with a gun.
unidentified
Yes!
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
That's what defines me.
jack murphy
Well, the third one you got on lock, dude.
tim pool
Almost!
I can get on the roof right over there.
ian crossland
Apparently Idris Elba responded to Waylon's claim that he doesn't have any black friends, so therefore isn't black enough by saying on Instagram, we must not pull ourselves backwards, only push ourselves forward.
tim pool
Bravo.
seamus coughlin
That's so stupid.
He's not black because he didn't have black.
That is like the most extreme version of you are the five people you hang out the most with.
Like, your race is not a product Of who you're around.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
We all are part Irish, and we're all friends with each other.
That proves we're Irish.
seamus coughlin
And honestly, I was just going to say, I'm doing the math here, and math is racist.
jack murphy
Wait, hold on.
Carry the one?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, carry the one.
Or dump.
It's racist.
Yeah, it's true.
We all have Irish in our DNA, and here we are.
tim pool
That proves it.
That means that we're only Irish and nothing else.
Where's that whiskey at?
yet. I got a big thing of proper 12.
lydia smith
Oh, I'm on it.
I love that.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's not such a big thing anymore, Tim.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
tim pool
All right, fine.
What is it, Yamazaki?
seamus coughlin
He's like, well, you've got about half a shot left.
No, I'm kidding.
tim pool
Oh, you guys drank the whole bottle?
seamus coughlin
No, I drank.
I was kidding.
I was joking that I drank the bottle.
tim pool
We have Japanese whiskey.
jack murphy
What does that mean?
unidentified
Is that racist?
jack murphy
You're Japanese whiskey.
tim pool
No, I know, but is it racist?
seamus coughlin
No, it's the exact opposite.
tim pool
Oh, wait, wait, hold on.
I'm allowed to drink it because I'm part Japanese and Irish, but not you guys.
ian crossland
I'm allowed to drink it because you're my friend.
seamus coughlin
No, I don't give you permission.
ian crossland
I thought I got that.
tim pool
You don't get permission to appropriate my culture.
No, you're appropriating my culture.
You can't do that.
seamus coughlin
Also, are you implying that we're not his friends?
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
seamus coughlin
We can't drink it?
unidentified
Ian's like, alright, I get that these guys can't have it, but I'm your friend!
tim pool
Who's allowed to drink the tequila here?
Who's allowed to drink the tequila?
jack murphy
Hale to Luxor.
tim pool
I love tequila.
lydia smith
Mexicans.
tim pool
Who drinks, what's rum?
seamus coughlin
Pirates.
jack murphy
No, that's Idris Elba's drink, boys.
lydia smith
Caribbean.
unidentified
So you have to be culturally a pirate to drink the Bacardi.
ian crossland
I really like rum.
lydia smith
I love rum.
ian crossland
I'm just gonna say.
What do you guys have a favorite liquor?
tim pool
I have, I don't like any of it.
ian crossland
It's all gross.
seamus coughlin
I like, I like whiskey.
I do like a good bourbon too, though.
That sort of comes in second.
jack murphy
I do not discriminate.
I like them all in moderation at the right time with the right foods.
seamus coughlin
That's the exact balance.
ian crossland
Do you have one, Lydia?
lydia smith
Yeah, I actually do.
I really like whiskey and I like tequila in small amounts.
jack murphy
Yeah, you know, the other night on Twitter, you were giving me a heck of a hard time on Twitter and then all of a sudden you're like, nah, it's all good.
I had a whiskey.
tim pool
I have an idea.
You know what we should do?
Because we're preparing to do live events here.
The goal is like every Friday.
jack murphy
Wait, wait, wait.
Don't qualify that because I was already getting blown up here by people saying that TimCast IRL is not live.
Additional live events.
Additional live events.
tim pool
Wait, they think the show isn't live?
jack murphy
Yeah, correct.
ian crossland
It's with a 10 second delay thereabout.
unidentified
Oh, whatever.
tim pool
Well, YouTube has an automatic delay, but what makes them think it's not live?
jack murphy
I have no idea because I took a picture at 7 o'clock of us in the studio.
tim pool
The show is literally live right now.
And we have the superchats going, and we just wait till the end of the show to read them.
But we're going to be doing live music venue events.
So on Fridays, the goal is when we wrap up the show around 10, we throw the camera to the venue, which we're putting up, and then have a performance of some sort, comedy, maybe like a political lecture kind of bit routine, maybe music, and it'll be fun.
We could do a Everyone who's involved in organizing it can produce their stereotypical food of choice.
I know everybody here is Irish, I guess, so you guys just bring a bottle of whiskey with you.
seamus coughlin
So not food, yeah, you don't want our food.
You'll take our alcohol.
tim pool
Beers and whiskeys, Guinness and mashed potatoes.
lydia smith
Cabbage.
seamus coughlin
I just, by the way, I checked Twitter when you mentioned that, because I did see that people were claiming that TimCast IRL is not actually live.
And I did notice, and I mentioned, someone tweeted an article that the Democrats, and I just verified it on Google, the Democrats have, the House and Senate Democrats are planning a bill to add four justices to the Supreme Court.
What?
This just broke, yep.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
That's a whole topic there.
Did you pull that up?
Jamie, can you pull that up?
How about a clock?
jack murphy
How about a screen?
Because every time you're like, I'm pulling up this amazing article, everybody, and you push the button, all the viewers get to see it.
ian crossland
And I'm like, yeah, use your imagination.
jack murphy
Where is it?
What article?
tim pool
Well, we have that TV over there.
We just don't turn it on anymore.
lydia smith
Yeah, we don't.
We suck.
tim pool
Alright, we'll get a TV in here, we'll put it over there, or something.
ian crossland
We can put it up there, and up there?
tim pool
I don't know if they can go in the ceiling like that.
ian crossland
Plugged in?
tim pool
Maybe they can.
seamus coughlin
But hey, here's the thing, actually, we did just prove your point, because if this was filmed before it was aired, we wouldn't be able to talk about it, we would never have been able to talk about it.
Unless we can see the future, that's a whole other level of conspiracy there.
jack murphy
That's amazing.
Well, you know, the great thing about this bill that's being proposed is that they're only going to phase these new justices in like once every 10 years, right?
seamus coughlin
Oh, I'm sure.
jack murphy
It's going to take four decades for this to happen, right?
tim pool
I just got to be honest with everybody, okay?
We can't get the shred going on.
The show isn't live.
It's actually recorded after it airs.
So it goes, it airs at 8 p.m.
and then we come into the studio at 10 after it airs to record the show.
And then we use a rotating beam of light with a micro-singularity to send the data back in time.
seamus coughlin
Why are you telling them?
Bro, that's the whole...
That's literally the whole reason they have not been able to cancel us yet, and you just gave it away.
jack murphy
But it is why it's so funny.
tim pool
Because we film it later?
seamus coughlin
They haven't been able to pin down our location and shut down the stream.
They're like, where is this guy's broadcast?
tim pool
We watched the show in the past, live, at the same time as everyone else, and then recorded afterwards and sent it back in time.
jack murphy
Is this Sliders?
Did I get this one confused again?
tim pool
That's a time travel.
That's dimensional travel.
ian crossland
Free the software code.
We might as well now, because everyone knows what we're doing.
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
It's our secret.
tim pool
I had this idea for what we should do and it's that at the end of every episode we wait like 30 seconds and then we play a clip where it's like Ian waking up in the middle of the woods and then like various things happen where he's like smoking something but there's a shaman with them and they're like How was it this time?
And Ian's like, dude, I'm going to give you like the joke is that this show is an astral projection of Ian tripping.
ian crossland
Which basically is.
lydia smith
I mean, yeah, basically.
unidentified
I mean, you're you're always tripping on DMT because it's coursing through all of our veins.
This is how I feel when I'm talking to you.
seamus coughlin
Back to the house, Democrats.
No, I mean, this is you remember when Joe Biden refused to answer the question on whether he would stack the courts?
That's interesting.
tim pool
Dude, I'm stoked if they do it.
ian crossland
It'd be awesome.
seamus coughlin
Yeah?
I hope we get another RGB.
tim pool
No, no, no, just like... Just, you know, you get to tell all your friends you were right, you know what I mean?
unidentified
That's what's most important, not having a country to tell you, I was right!
tim pool
I just want to be able to be like, I was right this time, you see?
I've been saying it!
seamus coughlin
Tim, you're right all the time.
ian crossland
I'm kidding.
So what are they gonna do, stick Ford?
Ford democratically approved?
seamus coughlin
No, I'm sure there'll be moderate justices, you know?
I'm sure there're gonna be justices who...
jack murphy
Merrick Garland.
seamus coughlin
I was just being sarcastic and adding nothing but snarks.
tim pool
It was an easy prediction because that's how many justices they need to get the majority.
lydia smith
Clever.
seamus coughlin
Weird.
What a weird coincidence.
jack murphy
Right.
unidentified
So what is it?
tim pool
Six to three?
jack murphy
D-O-A.
Oh wait, but they have the Senate.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Never mind.
tim pool
So they would have everything.
And then Joe Biden's gonna be like, come on, man, you know, guns should be banned because, you know, ever since second amendment, some people weren't allowed to have guns.
seamus coughlin
And those were slaves.
jack murphy
Let me repeat myself.
No constitutional amendment is absolute.
lydia smith
That's right.
seamus coughlin
Which is crazy because I think some of them are definitely supposed to be absolute.
I think they would acknowledge that.
unidentified
13th amendment?
seamus coughlin
What about the first amendment?
You can't yell fire in a crowded theater so we can... Joe Biden said...
tim pool
Since the Second Amendment, there were always people who weren't allowed to have guns, which is a direct reference to slaves and the indigenous.
So if you're literally referencing people who are slaves or who are having their land colonized and being conquered, it sounds like you're making an argument for why we need guns.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
ian crossland
Or an argument why to make more slaves.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
It makes it sound much more sinister, doesn't it?
jack murphy
I took a dark turn.
seamus coughlin
Well, look, I mean, you can do whatever you want to an unarmed population.
lydia smith
True.
tim pool
You watch this video out of the UK where they kick someone's door in because he violated COVID lockdown?
jack murphy
No.
I'm sorry, Seamus.
I'm really being shamed here.
When the guy's looking down the stairs and they break in the door and they come, oh my goodness.
tim pool
So what people don't understand is the left is often like They're like, do you think you're really going to fight with the government and win?
No.
No, I think the police just have to make sure they have a warrant because the constitution says you need a warrant.
And they need to understand that in the case of Brenna Taylor, when they did have a warrant and they did knock still, one of the cops still got shot and it was ruled justified.
That Brenna Taylor's boyfriend shot a cop.
They said, you can't, you kick someone's house and it's reasonable for someone to fire at the insurer.
So it's not about wanting to go to war, it's about the government being like, hey, we can't just barge into someone's house at random because they have a Second and Fourth Amendment right.
That's bad news for us.
seamus coughlin
Or how about this?
Yes, the Second Amendment was there to allow people to revolt against the government if that ever became necessary, but how about, I should be able to protect my family.
I should be able to use whatever weapon I see fit to protect my family because I have a duty to do so and therefore I have a right to have access to what will allow me to carry that duty out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Second Amendment is literally about defending.
So I want to make this clear.
I hear from a lot of people.
The Second Amendment is about the Americans fighting a tyrannical government.
That's not true.
Some people say the Second Amendment is about hunting.
That's literally not true.
The Second Amendment is partially about defending this country from tyrannical government.
But the Second Amendment doesn't say that.
It says necessitating a free state, which means foreign and domestic.
The right to keep and bear arms could also mean that Canada could invade the United States and we need to be able to protect ourselves.
seamus coughlin
And I think they're planning it.
tim pool
There was a war in which... What was it?
The War of 1812?
Where the U.S.
invaded Canada and almost took Montreal?
lydia smith
Gosh darn it.
jack murphy
Wow, I didn't know that.
It ended up with the White House getting burned down, so that didn't work out too well.
tim pool
I guess what happened was we were like, you want to go to war with us?
We'll take Canada.
And then they were like, all right, we'll just burn down your capital then,
because you're gone.
lydia smith
Oh, it worked out great.
tim pool
And they did that.
jack murphy
And then they're like, hey, what if everybody in the country
had guns?
That'd be a lot easier.
unidentified
That'd be a great idea.
tim pool
Well, we did have the Second Amendment at that time.
jack murphy
I know, I know.
But it wasn't nearly as widespread.
seamus coughlin
We only had one amendment at that time.
And they're like, we're going to add a second.
jack murphy
Right.
The gun ownership has exploded, even in the last few decades.
It's incredible what's happened, the way the gun ownership has
exploded up.
At the same time, the gun-related deaths and mass shootings have been going down.
Now, did you see what happened with The Washington Post the other day?
They put out a study that said that the white supremacy attacks or whatever had been escalating, escalating,
escalating.
And they actually had changed the definition of what a white supremacy, white dominance, act of terror
or whatever was.
They changed it from actually killing somebody, doing a crime to a credible threat found on a message board.
seamus coughlin
Wow!
No, I swear to God.
To be fair, Jack, a threat on a message board or a threatening message on the message board is terrorism.
jack murphy
So this is a really important story.
John Robb on Twitter, a tremendous analyst who everyone should be following, he pointed this out.
He dug into this study.
I'd also be curious.
at the actual numbers for white supremacy terror attacks or whatever they've been they peaked
guess in what year 2016 and guess what happened since then boom boom boom boom boom down i'd
seamus coughlin
also be curious i'm also curious to see how that's defined as well well interesting
jack murphy
Sure.
But the point is, is that the Washington Post twisted the definitions around.
They showed that there was a huge increase in these white supremacy attacks.
And then the very next day, it's been cited by all the politicians and all the people saying that we need new laws.
We need to crack down on insurrectionists and de-Trumpify America and de-Trumpify the military.
Yada, yada, yada.
All with cooked BS statistics.
tim pool
Yeah, it's manipulation, lies and deception.
What else is new for these news outlets?
seamus coughlin
Well, you hear this garbage all the time.
Oh, all of these mass shootings are carried out by white men.
I mean, the numbers I'm looking at right here are white people, and it's almost always men.
Mass shootings are basically never carried out by women, but white people carry out 66% of the mass shootings.
The country's like 72% white.
So we're underrepresented.
jack murphy
But even so, how are they defining mass shootings?
seamus coughlin
That's true too, right?
Because if you define mass shootings as three people being injured, which some stats do, Okay, in D.C.
jack murphy
there's a mass shooting every day.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Based on the criteria, usually that three people being injured with a gun.
tim pool
They need to just give everybody in D.C.
guns.
jack murphy
Well, no one can.
It's very difficult.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
It is very difficult to get a gun in D.C.
You literally have to order it through the police department.
Wow.
And you can't, you have to order it from out of state.
It has to be sent to the police department at 300 C street or whatever it is.
You go down there, you pick up the gun from the cops after they've already done all the background and written down all the serial numbers and all the things.
It's very difficult process.
I can't wait to get to Maryland.
tim pool
Well, that's not a great state for firearms, but it's better than DC.
jack murphy
It's better than DC.
tim pool
Let's take some super chats, my friends.
If you have not already, smash that like button and comment because you're basically telling YouTube you like the show and we really appreciate it.
So seriously, smash it.
But go to TimCast.com, become a member.
Now, we just switched over this week to the new site, and we are still in the process of going through it.
That's the...
It's the best way to do it, right?
You just have to do it, and we gotta figure out where the holes are and fix them as fast as possible.
So, we're working on getting everything streamlined.
We have a couple people that are gonna be joining soon, producing news articles and special interests like paranormal, weird, UFO kind of articles as well, because we're gonna be launching that show very, very soon.
It's a process.
It takes time, unfortunately.
But the website's going to be awesome.
Members are going to get access to all of this really cool stuff.
We're just going to keep making more and more stuff.
It's going to be fantastic.
We filmed an episode of the vlog.
The Grind Bar has been grunted.
That video will be up soon as we're working out the kinks of the new channel.
So go to dimpgas.com, become a member.
Don't forget to subscribe because we're going to break a million subs soon.
Let's read these superchats!
Jonathan Nefors.
Ah, this first super chat.
I am proud to say we have proven wrong.
He said, tonight on quote, Tim mentions a Star Trek episode that applies to the topic.
ian crossland
It was Star Wars!
Star Trek was on though downstairs.
tim pool
Of course it was.
seamus coughlin
TNG is always on at this house.
jack murphy
When I walked in, there was no one in the house.
There was no one on the first floor.
And the only thing that was happening was data blown up at like 95 inches 4k, smoking a pipe.
Oh, waxing philosophically as if he were a human.
ian crossland
Sherlock Holmes.
tim pool
And then Jack just got hooked and sat down and watched for an hour.
seamus coughlin
Whole episode, yeah.
ian crossland
I'll get a coffee and get lost in it from across the room.
jack murphy
Four lights, there's four lights.
tim pool
What are four lights?
There you go.
ian crossland
It's just a crazy fantasy and then Patrick Stewart walks on and it's like, epic.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Epic.
tim pool
All right, we got Trip Sucks, he says.
Jack, I teach science at a private school, a private middle school in CA.
What can I do to push back against the woke teachers with seniority who are pushing their agenda on our program?
jack murphy
It's a very difficult question.
And I think the first thing to do is to make sure that you understand when you have leverage and when you don't.
Don't just stick your head up and start screaming about stuff because you get your head chopped off.
You have to find yourself in a position where you actually have a moment to make change.
Yelling about things isn't going to help.
Speaking up at the staff, you know, all staff meeting isn't going to help.
You have to get yourself on the committees.
You have to get yourself on the curriculum committees and you have to actively derail what they're doing, but subtly.
tim pool
What if, what if you accuse them of being racist?
jack murphy
Doesn't matter.
tim pool
Yeah.
They don't care.
jack murphy
No, they don't care.
They don't care because they'll just turn it right back around on you.
There's, there's no way out of their Kafka traps.
That's the thing.
You can't, you can't argue your way out of it.
You can't emotion or logic your way out of it.
You have to actually consider yourself to be an undercover agent and you are on a secret mission and you have to wait until you have leverage to actually make change.
Otherwise you're just suiciding yourself and please don't do that.
tim pool
Alright, we got Preston Jenna says, I've noticed your subs have been going up consistently about 1k or so a day for the last few days.
Hope you guys hit a million on this channel tonight or tomorrow.
Congrats and great work.
We are 371 subscribers away from 1 million subscribers!
It should be by late tonight or early tomorrow and I mean, it's whatever.
People watch, they watch.
It's appreciated.
It's a metric.
We get a gold plaque and then we'll put it up on the wall and it'll be great and you guys are awesome.
We appreciate it so much.
ian crossland
It might be in the next five minutes if you guys subscribe.
lydia smith
That's true.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing, yes, I mean, subscribe to Tim, but also, like, I'm way further from a million than he is, so I actually need your subscribers more if you just want to go to youtube.com slash freedom soon, see some cool cartoons, drop a little sub in there for me.
Thank you.
jack murphy
Slash Jack Murphy Live, new videos every day.
seamus coughlin
Which you can do.
You could, I guess, do that if you wanted.
jack murphy
Long form videos every week.
tim pool
All right, we got...
Dermi Wormy says I recently became a member of the site and this is for two of my favorite guests, my friends.
This is the Illinois boys.
seamus coughlin
The Illinois boys.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
So this happened because Seamus was here, Jack was here, this was a couple weeks ago, and we had Portillo's hot dogs, which are from Chicago.
And so then I think Seamus made a joke about the Illinois boys, right?
seamus coughlin
No, it was actually right before the election when I first met Jack.
He came on one of the shows and we were just making small talk and he's like, yeah, I'm from X area.
I won't dox you.
I won't say which area of Chicago.
I was like, what?
jack murphy
Beverly.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Beverly.
unidentified
And I was like, wait, Tim and Jack and me?
seamus coughlin
So I was like, we are the Illinois boys.
Now on our own, each of us individually is an Illinois boy, but together is the Illinois boys.
tim pool
And we have Giordano's tonight.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I'm about it.
Dude, here's the thing.
We have been talking forever, like, since we all first met, like, oh yeah, we should do an episode with the Illinois Boys.
And there's this weird thing where, I don't think we talked about that on air, but I will regularly, like, when I see my name mentioned alongside TimCast, and I see, like, a compliment, I'll be like, oh, I really like Seamus and Jack Murphy.
We have been lumped together in a weird way, where people are like, oh, Seamus is my favorite guest ever.
And they're like, Jack Murphy's also okay.
But I will actually see that we're, like, people who like one of us like the other one.
tim pool
I think both of you are some of the most consistent guests we have.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that makes sense.
So they just see our faces, but otherwise, you know, there's nothing.
Is it like the pretty one?
ian crossland
Illinois boys bring the noise.
jack murphy
That's right.
unidentified
Exactly.
ian crossland
Indeed they do.
unidentified
Exactly like bring the noise Illinois boys bring the noise.
That's right exactly Hashtag Illinois's
tim pool
TN says it's telling me to fix my shirt Let me, let me fix it.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
You forgot to pop the collar.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, man.
Why didn't you have your collar pop the whole time, dude?
jack murphy
I don't know.
ian crossland
Looks good though.
tim pool
I feel bad now.
seamus coughlin
You should.
lydia smith
I wouldn't be able to see it.
ian crossland
It's a black and gray coordination.
jack murphy
Nobody's watching though.
unidentified
All right, all right.
tim pool
We got Christian.
unidentified
But if you are watching, please subscribe to my channel.
seamus coughlin
Nobody's watching this channel that I'm siphoning subs off of right now.
lydia smith
Good work, everyone.
unidentified
Siphoning.
tim pool
All right, Christian Jamgochian says, Tim, why do you keep talking about the Second Amendment when discussing state-level gun laws?
State laws only have to follow the state's constitutions, and the U.S.
Constitution only restricts the feds, except for something called, what, the Supremacy Clause?
Yeah, the U.S.
Constitution supersedes the states.
If the U.S.
Constitution says, shall not be infringed, the states aren't supposed to be able to infringe.
ian crossland
But the supremacy clause is in the federal constitution, so how should someone else be like, you have to follow my laws, and I have a clause that says you have to follow my laws.
jack murphy
Because they signed up to join this union, bro.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
Sorry, Seamus, were you about to say?
jack murphy
By the way, it does infringe anyway.
I'm sorry.
There's this.
Yeah.
The shall not be infringed is infringed all over the place.
Come to my town.
And man, the case just zhooshed right out of my head.
I can't remember the name of the D.C.
case, the handgun case that changed the law in D.C.
Anyway, Heller.
unidentified
Thank you.
jack murphy
Thank you.
Well done.
Next?
seamus coughlin
Next.
tim pool
Orion Nero says, if Chauvin is acquitted of all charges, how bad do you believe they will riot?
My opinion?
They'll be okay.
It'll be nationwide.
It'll be in every small town.
The big cities, of course, will see the worst riots I've ever seen.
And a lot of the small towns, which already had riots, which we don't know about because the news didn't report it, will see substantially worse riots as well.
unidentified
Yeah, I can get on board with that.
tim pool
I agree, I agree, of course.
seamus coughlin
I think people are going to respond really reasonably this time, Tim.
It's all going to be fine.
tim pool
They're going to sit down in the street and sing like, Hallelujah.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Kumbaya.
tim pool
Hallelujah by what's it?
Who's that?
seamus coughlin
Leonard Cohen.
Yes.
But not his version, right?
He wrote the original lyrics.
Most of the time when you hear it, it's someone else's cover.
jack murphy
You know what's going to be interesting to see?
How the normal people respond.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
In May of last year, when people were rioting, it was very easy for the normal people to
be like, well, they really hate Trump.
These rioters really hate Trump.
Trump is a Nazi.
I understand why they're rioting.
Okay, guess what?
Trump is gone.
Biden is the president.
This is still going to happen.
They're rioting against what now?
Now they're not just rioting against Trump.
Now they're rioting against America.
And that's the way it needs to be framed.
These riots are not anti-Trump riots.
They are anti-America riots.
tim pool
And when are people going to finally stand up and protect... It's outright insurrection at this point.
It is.
It is.
Getting hot.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Decentralized groups that share an ideology attacking institutions of government across the country for over a year.
And you know what the really important thing here is?
We're 122 subscribers away from 1 million right now!
seamus coughlin
1 million subscribers!
Alright people, hit that like button right now.
Let's get up to a million.
tim pool
How many likes have I got?
seamus coughlin
That like button, well the like, I meant it, Tim.
It'll boost us in the algorithm and more people will see and subscribe.
That wasn't a mistake.
jack murphy
There's three buttons that we need to hit right now, guys.
seamus coughlin
There's three buttons.
You need to hit four or five buttons.
It's just like these Republicans making it more difficult to vote.
lydia smith
It's very complicated.
seamus coughlin
You are so close, man.
jack murphy
IanCrosland.net.
ian crossland
Go to IanCrosland.net.
Find yourself an Ian Crosland mug.
seamus coughlin
TimCast, man, you are so close.
ian crossland
Scan that barcode.
seamus coughlin
Does the goal play?
No, I was just gonna say you're absolutely correct that that's the way the media needs to frame it or should frame it but of course they're not going to.
And these are people who are still trying to talk about Trump even though he's out of office and they want to talk about Trumpism.
So maybe that's what the protest is against.
I don't know.
That's probably it.
ian crossland
I think it's a protest against the empire.
I mean, it's a mixed convoluted system that we've got going on and there is a military-industrial complex and a banking establishment.
jack murphy
I was gonna say, they're really protesting the Fed is what they're doing.
tim pool
Yes, okay, we got we got guys Super chats are very important.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, sorry.
tim pool
We have a very very serious one that I'm gonna take seriously Charlie in charge says I am no longer a gorilla.
seamus coughlin
I now identify as a chimpanzee full of snakes Well, here's the thing, it doesn't matter how you identify, that's what you were all along.
Like, your identity is a product of a negotiation with the society around you.
You don't get to just, like, pick that out of thin air, man.
tim pool
How about we make a shirt that says, I am a chimpanzee full of snakes?
ian crossland
Yes!
seamus coughlin
That's my shirt.
unidentified
I'm wearing it.
seamus coughlin
That's my shirt.
unidentified
Jordan Peterson!
seamus coughlin
I know, Jordan Peterson will come sue me.
jack murphy
My god, it's full of snakes.
tim pool
I am a chimpanzee.
jack murphy
Does anybody get that reference?
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
What, is that snakes on a plane?
jack murphy
No, that's 2001.
Oh, Snakes Odyssey, 2001.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
I got it. Snake's Odyssey 2001. I'm sorry. Sorry. Oh, great work, everyone. I'm like, I shoot I'm like nine for 10 on
Sorry.
jack murphy
jokes on this show.
Last time I was here, I dropped a dad joke, and like, literally the room just went boom inside.
ian crossland
Everyone's just like, what?
tim pool
They always think you're crazy at first.
Stephen voiceover says loving the JP impression. Let's hear Tim and Jack's attempts at it. Keep up the good work guys
You have to try and big love to Ian and lids don't ever stop Tim lest the beanie become a has been
unidentified
Oh, we're over a million subscribers Oh my gosh!
seamus coughlin
I was here when it happened!
I'm not saying that I'm responsible for you going over a million subscribers, but I was definitely here.
tim pool
We're actually 183 subs over a million subscribers.
seamus coughlin
The Illinois boys were here at the time you went over a million subs.
It's on sale.
tim pool
Do we link arms and sing now?
Do I call Google and say I want the map overnight?
I want that golden plaque.
seamus coughlin
You mean three golden plaques?
One for each Illinois boy?
I guess five.
Lydia and Ian have kind of been here before.
tim pool
I think we should just get one to give to Seamus.
seamus coughlin
I think, honestly, I think I should probably get a good one.
unidentified
Just get one and give it to him.
seamus coughlin
Tim says I should have it, I think I should have it.
tim pool
You know what I'll do?
You can actually order multiples, because it's like, if you have a team of people working on the show, it's not fair to just have one, so you can tell them, you get one free, you gotta buy the rest.
I'll buy a bunch and we'll build a fort out of it.
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
I think you need to really show appreciation for your fans by making one for each subscriber.
ian crossland
Because they are the ones who got you here.
seamus coughlin
I think you need to really show appreciation for your fans by making one for each subscriber
because they are the ones who got you here.
tim pool
That would cost like $300 million.
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry.
Are your fans not worth it?
Are the people who have supported you?
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
I'm curious.
I don't know if there's a limit on how many I could buy.
I'm like, I got 50 employees, so I want 50.
I don't have 50 employees.
But then, could you just sell them for like a premium?
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I'll sign it and send it to you.
I don't think you can.
jack murphy
Arbitrage.
tim pool
I'm just wondering if there's rules against it.
seamus coughlin
Well, here's the thing.
If you tell people there's only one, but then you sell like 12.
lydia smith
Oh my god.
seamus coughlin
This is the limited edition Tim Pool million subscriber signed plaque.
jack murphy
Signed one over one.
seamus coughlin
And then you just make a bunch.
And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that's how you- And that All right, all right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
jack murphy
Congratulations, Tim.
Good for you.
seamus coughlin
We should congratulate him.
jack murphy
Tim is one of the hardest working dudes I ever met in my whole life.
This guy grinds like crazy.
He's been at it for years and years, and you deserve everything that you got, buddy.
tim pool
Appreciate it, man.
We got so much more coming.
We just filmed the vlog.
We had this pro biker, Mike Fede, came out, and he did a feeble grind on his bike.
He actually did a gap to feeble on the bar.
He grinded on the bar.
It's great.
He grunted, and we filmed it, we're gonna put up this vlog, and, uh, you know, I wanna let everybody know, like, we're looking for ideas to do, to have fun events here, so, send, uh, I guess, spintheufo, you're tracking this though, right?
Spintheufo at gmail.com, for ideas, and, uh, Mike, he made a YouTube video saying, like, I'm your guy, I'm gonna come out and do a tailwhip, and he did, he did a tailwhip.
He also did, he, like, did a wall ride, back and forth, it was legit, from the mini-ramp, riding on the walls of my basement, it was awesome.
So, like, I think we're gonna have a scooter, a pro scooter, like, I don't know if he's a pro, but we're gonna have, like, a really talented scooter guy come out.
jack murphy
Just pay him.
He's a pro.
tim pool
We'll see.
I mean, it depends on what they do, I suppose.
But, no, we're gonna have, we're gonna film videos with a bunch of different, I guess, action sport disciplines.
But we're looking for musicians, comedians, and, you know, all different types, because we're gonna be treating it like a venue, probably every Friday night, having someone come out, film a vlog of some sort, and then we'll do something with a live show or whatever.
It'll be fun.
jack murphy
Dope.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Should I read this one?
Ben Andering says, Tim, I just wanted to let you know that there is a peeling happening with Diamond Hand shirt.
I have had two shirts with defects.
I sent an email with subject urgent gorilla shirt peeling yesterday.
Bummer.
I mean, it's Teespring, but I think we'll reach out to them and try and figure out if we can see if there's anything happening.
Because the ones we have, we've actually been really happy with.
So I don't know if there's been a bad batch.
unidentified
We did have a misprinting issue at one point, so... What with the black hands?
tim pool
No, the white hands.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm down to experiment with different companies, because if they're not washing properly... Oh, this is interesting.
tim pool
Scott Gosnell says, Mr. Poole, we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty.
unidentified
Whoa!
lydia smith
They got you.
ian crossland
You should answer that one.
tim pool
There was a funny meme where it was like, if I see you broken down on the side of the road, you think I'm going to help you?
You've been called about your car's extended warranty, and you could have taken, yeah, so many times.
lydia smith
The message in a bottle.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, where your car's extended warranty.
tim pool
Why, is that a thing that people are getting phone calls about?
lydia smith
Yeah, it's called Scam Likely.
It's my best friend.
They call me every day.
tim pool
Scam Likely.
lydia smith
I'm getting Scam Likely.
tim pool
What sort of company?
Student of History says, The issue is the DA was an activist and jumped before 100%
investigation because the race hustlers and commies immediately began BLM
National Sport Sport the loot-a-thon and now call is guilty and riot not
guilty Riot harder rip cities keep your rifle by your side.
Okay.
ian crossland
I did not track that one.
tim pool
Let's see, Rebel Media was suspended by YouTube.
Did you guys hear that?
ian crossland
Oh no, but I know those guys.
Who is that?
jack murphy
The Canadian fella.
tim pool
Wolfstar says, Tim has become way too biased.
The state is winning and he won't tell his audience.
Anyone remember the 49 state claim?
It's happening again.
This one I really like because on Wikipedia, the activists... The Wikipedia is a smear machine.
And they really tried hard to include that I claimed repeatedly that Trump would win in a four-day state landslide.
And then when someone posted the quote, they were like, it sounds like he's just saying in the event things happen, there's speculation of what would cause a 49 state landslide, as opposed to saying there would be definitively one.
So like, the issue was me, like, obviously being hyperbolic or exaggerating.
Like, if these riots don't stop, you know, and then, you know, Joe Biden does this or that, man, 49 state landslide.
And it was like, often, many of these were like memes, where like the Trump supporter would just yell Trump landslide.
And it's a meme representing Trump winning, not a literal landslide.
But, uh, sure.
However, saying that the state is winning, it's a moot point.
It's an argument over whether or not you think that the state's witnesses are credible.
The issue is, when you read mainstream news, they'll say, state prosecution's witness says Chauvin was not supposed to do this.
Chauvin killed Floyd, Chauvin is responsible, and it was negligent.
In between that, it's, on cross-examination, the defense said, well, it's entirely possible Chauvin did receive training to do this.
On cross-examination, it's entirely possible that Floyd died for other reasons, and I would even have concluded as such in other potential circumstances.
The state wins when they prove beyond a reasonable doubt two things.
George Floyd was killed by Chauvin, and Chauvin intended to kill him.
Oh, I'm sorry.
And Chauvin was, uh, was not trained to do what he was, what he was doing.
It was outside of the purview of his, of his job.
So that's actually three things.
Now, manslaughter is that Chauvin killed him and it was negligent.
So in, for the second degree murder charge, like I just don't see how that's possible.
And, and most people thought it was an overcharge anyway.
So if you only read the mainstream media, that's what you probably believe.
Okay, well, the Americans voted against the police, so I'm not sure I agree with that statement.
I get it, but, you know, if the people of Minneapolis voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, who are supporting the riots, then why should the cops be there to support people who don't like them?
I don't understand that.
Paul Luckett said, Crowder made some points about the female cop.
In the video, you can see that her partner gets between her and the suspect while she is aiming her gun directly at him.
She almost shot her partner.
This isn't adequate training.
Absolutely!
I agree with Crowder on that one 100%.
I think, you know, Phoenix Ammunition mentioned this on Twitter.
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent discharge.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
It's crazy to me, like, I think...
If you're a gun owner, you know what I keep hearing over and over again from everyone who owns guns?
You are responsible for what comes out of your gun.
seamus coughlin
That's it.
unidentified
100%.
jack murphy
Period.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Period.
unidentified
100%.
Yep.
jack murphy
From any person, anybody else, yourself, anytime.
unidentified
Yes.
Right.
tim pool
It's your responsibility.
jack murphy
Whether you're in a different country or anything.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
That's why you buy gun saves.
That's why you, you know, you keep, you keep track of what's going on.
And if you're holding that weapon, that's why you have to follow all the rules and understand how to be safe.
And if this cop was given a gun and she accidentally shot, she pulls her gun out accidentally.
It wasn't an accidental shooting.
It was her pointing a gun at somebody and then shooting him.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't murder, but.
All right.
Moosian says, Jack, you are wrong about Ashley.
She got her hands and knee up on the busted window in the door and was attempting to go through the window and then was shot.
They released a video recently showing it happened plain as day.
jack murphy
That is a justified shooting to you, bruh?
No, thank you.
A woman had her head in the window, so I shot and killed her.
Nice try.
tim pool
Release the Craggle says, I got a hard question.
What's your favorite ice cream?
seamus coughlin
You can't just ask something like that.
These are the kinds of tough questions that the Biden administration is getting from reporters and I shouldn't be held under that kind of scrutiny.
Probably chocolate chip cookie dough.
ian crossland
Butternut cashew ice cream.
tim pool
I saw this really great flavor from Ben & Jerry's called Cookies and Crime.
The Daily Wire posted a photo of it.
lydia smith
It's a riot.
tim pool
I think it was the Daily Wire.
jack murphy
It's a riot.
lydia smith
That's what I said.
ian crossland
I don't mean dairy ice cream with cashews in it.
I mean the ice cream is made out of cashew milk, cashew cream.
lydia smith
It's the best.
ian crossland
So creamy.
tim pool
I really like milk and cookies from Ben & Jerry's.
Yeah.
lydia smith
You like Ben and Jerry's?
tim pool
I mean, yeah.
unidentified
It's good ice cream.
jack murphy
You still eating that-ish?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I'm not eating that garbage.
I have this new thing.
It's from a company called Boo Foods.
It's like B-H-U Foods.
ian crossland
Oh, those are so good, dude.
Dude.
Yes.
I eat like two a day at least.
tim pool
The protein bars?
Yes.
And the cookie dough.
This company is... You know what?
I often make the joke that ice cream is evil.
Because you're eating all this fat and sugar and it's just so bad for you.
And so it's like the joke is it's so good, but it's so bad, right?
That's the joke?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We have these cookie dough jars.
It's actually just cashew butter, but it's flavored with chocolate chips.
And they use monk fruit and cherry juice, so it's really low sugar.
We have these protein bars.
Dude, it's better than ice cream.
ian crossland
Dude, if you guys want to advertise on the show... You had some, what do you think?
tim pool
You thought it was good?
jack murphy
I thought it was really good.
I almost ate all of it.
ian crossland
I will talk about your product every night on this show.
If you guys want to advertise with us, please do because I love your products.
tim pool
Is that how you ask for advertising?
We are not doing a promo spot.
unidentified
This channel has a million subs and you need to take this more seriously.
tim pool
It's vegan, gluten-free, it's crazy.
And it's basically just cashew butter, but it's whipped and it tastes like cookie dough.
ian crossland
I keep one in my room.
tim pool
So I don't need to eat ice cream anymore because we got this really good healthy stuff.
That's what it's all about.
It's protein.
ian crossland
How'd you find those?
tim pool
I got an Instagram ad for it.
And then I ordered like two of each and then they got eaten in like 10 minutes by everybody.
ian crossland
Banana chips you can scoop in.
tim pool
See, I want to be legit.
We're not paid to sponsor anything.
ian crossland
I just want to shout out things I like and if we can work with sponsorships it's like even a bonus.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Steven Schomper says, Tim, good news.
Biden's gun control is completely constitutional.
The Second Amendment has fine print about a free state that we are no longer in a free state, so we are good to infringe on those rights, lol.
Yeah, I tweeted, you know, a well-regulated mishala.
A well-regulated militia, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless you don't have a permit from the government, are not old enough, can't pay a tax, or don't have a valid state-approved reason.
jack murphy
Tim, I've gotten to know you pretty well over the last year.
And you know, we met each other, what, that's like four or five years ago by now at the Deplorable.
And I got to tell you, I am as perplexed as ever by your current Twitter feed.
All of your tweets, I read them and I'm like...
This one's sarcasm.
This one's trolling.
ian crossland
This one's legit.
jack murphy
I can't tell anymore.
tim pool
There are people who think Twitter is life.
And so someone tweeted, what's the point of being a commentator if no one knows what you're saying?
And I'm like, well, if you watch my show, you do.
If you're on Twitter, that's your life.
You're wasting your time.
That's kind of the point.
No, but like, which tweet are you referring to?
jack murphy
All of them.
I read them now because a couple of them have caught me.
You know, like, is he being legit with this?
Is he being straight with this?
So now I just read them all with sort of like a blank face where I'm like, I don't know what he means, but I'm just I'm just rolling with it.
I think I think it's actually by intent, by intention, though.
tim pool
I said I said lock the cop up who shot Dante Wright.
ian crossland
I couldn't tell if it was true or not.
I couldn't.
tim pool
The point is, if a bunch of people are screaming, we're going to arrest all of the police and destroy them and burn them alive.
And the cop is standing there going like, yeah, I'm with these people.
Then I'm like, OK.
Okay, you go to jail now.
So, Minneapolis is a house on fire.
Where Chauvin is being... These three other cops were charged with aiding and abetting.
Like, can you believe that?
That's insane.
And so, they're being abused.
They're being mistreated.
They're being smeared.
And they're not all perfect.
There's needs for police reform and the system needs reform.
I get that.
And then I'm like, we're gonna fight, we're gonna resist, and we're gonna call this out.
Then the people of this state, in this city, vote in Democrats, and vote for those who supported the riots.
At that point, I'm like, alright, the fire department, like, you had a house on fire, and everyone voted for the fire department that supported the fire.
In which case, I'm now going to ask all these cops to maybe get out of the building, because there's not much we can do at this point.
And this cop said, nah, I'm with the fire!
And I was like, okay.
unidentified
Alright, when the house burns down, what do you want me to do?
tim pool
Yeah, when your car breaks down, you've been called about your car's extended warranty, you expect me to come help you?
ian crossland
My problem is, I feel like it's like a vocal, it's not a minority, but like it's a vocal crowd of people that voted the idiocy in and now the other people, like the cops that didn't vote for it, are suffering and forced to deal with these mayors and governors that aren't supporting them.
tim pool
At a certain point when your house is on fire and you can't save it, you have to leave the building.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
You can't sit there thinking like, I'm going to keep spraying water and you know, and the house collapses on you.
And I'm like, bro, I can't rush into a burning building to save at this point.
So if you've been warned over and over again, and the people who are, who have set the fire are laughing at you, watching the place burn to the ground.
And you're like, don't worry, I'll do it.
Nah, I'm sorry.
ian crossland
Sometimes houses become so dangerous that the fire department will just burn them down.
They'll, they'll light the fire and burn it down on purpose because it's too much of a danger to leave standing.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more super chats.
Diana Stoian says, my cousin and I have been watching you for a few years now.
She's one of the smartest, coolest humans.
It's her birthday month.
Please wish Claudia Stoian a happy birthday.
Happy birthday, Claudia.
jack murphy
Happy birthday, Claudia.
ian crossland
Happy birthday.
tim pool
Sam B says, you have to have a reason to switch bases.
We count in base 10 because we have 10 fingers and don't count with our toes.
You switch to base E in certain engineering applications because you're counting with the Euler's number.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Interesting.
ian crossland
Base E mathematics.
tim pool
Sam B says Jack and Tim have it right.
Whatever you do in base 2, if you consistently do it through base 2, then switch to base 10, you'll get the same result as if you did it in base 10, and vice versa.
That's right.
ian crossland
The confusion is when you see 1-1, and you don't know if it's a 1-1 or an 11.
tim pool
I'm confused when someone says, you know, 1-2-3, and I'm like, I don't know what those are!
Math doesn't exist to me in other languages.
seamus coughlin
It doesn't exist anymore.
tim pool
1-2-3, that's clearly different.
They represent totally different things.
seamus coughlin
It's 1-2-4, Tim.
tim pool
1-2-4.
No, it's 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 6.
Because we flipped a number.
says because we flip the yet a new evo chill oh all right let's see we
Wazapalooza the Drunk says, Yo Tim, do you remember when Elbow was up for the spot of James Bond?
I was ready, I wanted to see it, but they said nah.
Yeah, I guess people were mad.
They were like, why would James Bond be, you know, black or whatever?
And I'm like, because James, I thought James Bond was like, I thought, like, what were they saying?
It was like a codename or something?
Also, I don't care, I guess.
I think H-Sub is cool.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
They changed the actor.
Like, this is the weirdest thing to me.
jack murphy
He would have been an awesome James Bond.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
My thing is, like, actors can act.
I'm not, I'm not, I don't really care about, you know, like, people are mad that Mary Antoinette is being played by a black woman.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't care.
ian crossland
Like, even if it's a woman.
tim pool
Who was it, John Rhys-Davies?
He played a dwarf.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That guy's tall, isn't he?
ian crossland
Oh, that guy was awesome.
tim pool
No, he played a dwarf in Lord of the Rings.
seamus coughlin
You know, he's crazy, but like, and they use, no, but they use camera angles.
Elijah Wood is not a hobbit.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Yes, bro, I know Are you sure but that dude with the beard was definitely I feel like Gandalf was Saruman Saruman what about yeah?
seamus coughlin
I knew he was.
No, they were all human.
unidentified
Are you sure?
But that dude with the beard was definitely a witch.
jack murphy
Definitely a wizard.
Definitely a witch.
seamus coughlin
I feel like Gandalf was a wizard.
Saruman?
Saruman?
What about, yeah.
ian crossland
Wither?
jack murphy
Yeah, he had magic.
lydia smith
Definitely.
tim pool
Definitely.
Alright, we got Waffle Sensei says, congratulations on the 1 million subs, Tim.
You deserve it.
Keep it up.
Take care of yourself.
Keep it real like Mary Poppins and fly that arrow with your heart.
Was it?
No, no, no.
I'm sorry.
Wasn't it Yondu Udonta flew the arrow with his heart?
lydia smith
Yeah, he sure did.
seamus coughlin
Who's that?
tim pool
Yondu?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Yondu, the space pirate?
Ravager?
lydia smith
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
He drank rum.
tim pool
He's trying to explain to Peter Quill how to use the energy from Ego, the planet.
And he's like, you think when I use this arrow, I'm using my head?
You gotta use your heart.
I love it.
There's a lot of racism.
I will not deny your genius.
I'm joking.
Brent Newark says, Math Edition here. Ian, stop pretending that you're an authority on math. You have no idea what you're
talking about.
Sketch proof 4 exists in base 3.
Okay, wow. T, let FTZ be mapping FN equals 3N star TN plus.
ian crossland
I will not deny your genius.
tim pool
Hold on.
ian crossland
But you must speak to me on my level.
tim pool
This is a bijection.
F1 colon Z arrow T exists.
F N plus M is isomorphic to Z. I'm just going to go ahead and assume he's right because he posted a bunch of letters and numbers.
unidentified
That's racist.
seamus coughlin
That's really racist.
jack murphy
Mathematical symbols proves it.
seamus coughlin
That's like the most racist thing I've ever heard.
jack murphy
I'm confused, so it's obviously racist.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, clearly.
So it's obviously racist.
It's math, math, numbers.
That's racism.
lydia smith
Agreed.
unidentified
100%.
seamus coughlin
100% of the time.
Wait!
unidentified
Oh my gosh!
seamus coughlin
Oh no!
120% of the time!
There you go.
100-ish.
jack murphy
You're open to change.
unidentified
100-ish.
Yeah, good save.
tim pool
Alright, we'll do a couple more Super Chats here, and then we're gonna go to that members-only exclusive segment.
A lot of people saying congratulations on the 1 million, thank you guys so much.
Timcast IRL has cracked 1 million.
ian crossland
It's because of you!
seamus coughlin
I see this mostly as Jack and I's achievement.
jack murphy
Same, and now that I'm experiencing this, like, live, I'm no longer motivated to reach a million.
What's the point?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we already got the dopamine hit.
tim pool
This is important.
seamus coughlin
Can I just say something?
Tim just got up to a hundred million.
We could do my channel tonight.
One million, one million.
We could do a hundred million too.
Let's get, we could get my channel up to a million tonight.
Go over to Freedom2, just subscribe right now.
Hit that, smash that subscribe button.
Get us up there.
tim pool
Megan Stewart says.
Wait, is there a safety on the cop's gun?
Because how would she not know it was a gun if she had to take off the safety?
seamus coughlin
Glocks don't have safeties.
tim pool
Glocks don't have safeties.
ian crossland
Facts don't care about your glocks.
tim pool
Who was I talking to?
I said give him a Beretta.
Beretta, I think Standard Edition Military, they got safeties on them.
And then what would happen is she would have drawn the wrong gun and it would have went nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
ian crossland
I still wonder if she was telling the other cop to tase and then it didn't happen so she unloaded on the guy.
tim pool
She'd probably argue that, I think.
The police made a statement, she'll say, I didn't say that.
But I never liked that when I, you know, I got a Glock and I was just like, so no safety?
And they're like, no, they claim it's got a pressure safety, like you gotta... You need to pull the trigger?
Nah, get out of here.
Nah, it should have a safety on it.
Well, I get it, you know, whatever.
Maybe they should have safeties.
And I think Phil was talking about this too, he was like, if you're properly trained, a safety isn't an inhibitor for properly drawing.
It doesn't slow you down at all.
And she would have been like, oh wow, whoops, and she would have...
ian crossland
What about biometric safeties, where you need to scan your thumbprint on it?
seamus coughlin
We are so not there yet.
tim pool
No, they exist.
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
Wait, that we could just give to all police?
You think we have the money?
That technology is accessible enough that we could give all the police in the country?
ian crossland
So if someone steals your gun, they can't use it?
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry for writing you off, Ian.
I guess we are there.
jack murphy
Bro, I can open my phone with it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we're connecting that to a phone.
tim pool
These literally exist, and I think there are many police departments that actually use them.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
They have grip palm readers.
seamus coughlin
Oh, my bad.
tim pool
And they can't fire unless your palm is on it.
jack murphy
I saw a James- I watched all three of the recent James Bond- But that wouldn't have done anything here.
tim pool
She would have still shot.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, also that wouldn't have done anything.
tim pool
And, the other issue, I think the reason they don't use it is, the way the holsters are designed, you can't pull the holster out unless you're at a proper angle and you press in a certain way.
So, it's kinda like, what's the point?
If the cop accidentally shoots somebody, the gun would work no matter what.
It would prevent someone from stealing it, I guess.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a movie where that happens.
ian crossland
We're selling it.
jack murphy
There's a James Bond movie.
I just watched James Bond.
All three of them.
Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall.
And at the last scene, it's about a guy with a gun with the palm reader on it.
James Bond had it.
He got it stolen from him.
The guy tried to shoot him.
It was like, click, click.
And that was the end.
tim pool
All right, my friends.
Here's what we're going to do.
NH says, please pair with Jordan Peterson on the chimpanzee full of snakes shirt.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
Figure that one out.
But my friends, A lot of people have been mentioning there's some issues with TimGuest.com as we port over the new site.
This is to be expected.
It's one of the reasons why it took so long to do because we knew as soon as we rolled it out, we'd hit bugs and then have to work to fix them very, very quickly.
Because we're not a massive billion dollar multinational corporation.
We're like a dozen people in a building and trying to expand with your help.
So go to TimGuest.com.
Wait, what?
I didn't agree to this.
be fixing everything and trying to get things up and running better and better and better.
These are the growing pains we have to go through I suppose, but I appreciate everybody
who's a member because you're making this possible.
And we're going to record now a special members only exclusive segment with lots of swear
words in it.
Wait what?
seamus coughlin
I didn't agree to this.
tim pool
Oh yeah, Seamus won't swear.
But go to TBS.com, sign up.
There's a big library of content already, tons of guests.
And trust me, we're working on fixing everything.
So we're going to have this really cool section where it breaks down categories.
You're going to be able to look at different topics.
So go check it out.
Don't forget to like, share, subscribe to this show.
If you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, leave us a good review.
You can follow me on all social media platforms at TimCast and my other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m.
so we will be back tomorrow.
So now Seamus and Jacket to fight over who gets to shout out first.
jack murphy
You go first.
seamus coughlin
No, you go first.
Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
You think a fellow Illinois boy wouldn't know the rule of promotion?
jack murphy
Jack Murphy Live.
Is there a more Irish name than that?
seamus coughlin
I would say Seamus Coghlan.
Jack Murphy.
jack murphy
Jack Murphy Live.
Also on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, everything all around the internet.
It's almost as if I planned it that way.
Jack Murphy Live.
Good to see you.
lydia smith
Very cool.
seamus coughlin
I forgot what I was going to say.
Freedom Tunes.
Freedom Tunes.
Go to youtube.com slash freedom tunes.
That's O-O-N-S.
Not like music.
Not like musical tunes.
Freedom Tunes.
Subscribe.
We have a cartoon coming out tomorrow.
We had one that came out yesterday.
So we're really cranking them out.
Yeah.
tim pool
The episode that Seamus just did with Jordan Peterson as the Red Skull is just insanely funny.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
It's painfully funny.
We were laughing so hard non-stop.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
tim pool
The problem is you laugh so much you might miss one of the jokes, so you're like trying to stop laughing.
seamus coughlin
Watch it twice.
tim pool
Yeah, watch it twice.
jack murphy
Hulk smash.
seamus coughlin
Hulk smash.
Thank you.
I love you guys.
jack murphy
Hulk smash patriarchy.
ian crossland
And you guys can follow me at iancrossland.net at iancrosslandoliver.
It is because of you that this show is We're killing it right now.
We've reached a million subs.
seamus coughlin
Thank you, Ian.
ian crossland
Seamus, you are the one I was talking to.
unidentified
You guys are amazing.
tim pool
Seamus is actually the one who taught Ian to astral project to make the show possible.
seamus coughlin
I would never teach him something like that.
but i did get a tweet uh... just now congrats to Tim Kast, Ian Carlson, Sour Patch Lads, Jack
Murphy live and most importantly Seamus Coghlan for hitting a million
subscribers on YouTube. Thank you.
Finally the recognition I deserve Miguel de la Cruz. Thank you.
lydia smith
That's right.
unidentified
Wow, that's how you get red.
lydia smith
Thank you guys for tuning in tonight and please join me in my quest to beat Sour Patch Kids and followers on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter.
By the way, a word to the wise, if your shirts are peeling you may want to wash them inside out.
This apparently helps you maintain the paint on the front.
jack murphy
Good to know.
tim pool
We will see all of you in the Members Only exclusive at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out, and we will see you there.
Export Selection