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April 12, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - BLM Riots Tear Through Minneapolis, National Guard Deployed w/ Phil Labonte
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tim pool
the criminal trial of Derek Chauvin is still underway and if you're actually following the
trial watching the live streams you'd probably know it's not going that well for the prosecution
If this is their case, and they're basically wrapping up at this point, and we're gonna move to the defense's case, I would say Murder 2 is absolutely out the window, but we will see.
In the meantime, riots erupted across Minneapolis yesterday because of another police shooting, and this one is where things get really interesting.
There's a guy who was shot and killed.
The female officer was trying to plot a taser.
You can hear her say in the body camera footage, taser, taser, taser.
But she's holding her handgun.
She shot him once.
One time he said, holy S, I shot him.
Now people are rioting.
And a lot of people are looting.
So this is where things start getting complicated because the judge has refused to sequester the jury while one of the jurors actually lives in this suburb.
I can't imagine this is going to be a fair trial but we'll see how this turns out and I think we really got to get into The merits of what happened with this new shooting because Minneapolis is a- is a- is a- is hot, okay?
You've got people who are ready to riot, who want to riot, and people who want to exploit that in loot, and then this happens?
There's a lot to go over in terms of justification.
What'll happen with this cop?
Is she gonna be Chauvin number two?
Honestly, I think she might be.
So we'll get into all that.
We got a bunch of other fun stories.
We're going to talk about the new Disney Plus show, the Marvel show Captain Falcon and Winter Soldier.
They're apparently doubling down on the wokeness and everyone's making fun of them.
So we'll get into that.
And we got a really great guest.
We got Phil Labonte of All That Remains.
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Hello.
tim pool
What's going on, man?
Do you want to just quick little intro?
You've been here before.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
I sing for the heavy metal band All That Remains.
We've been a metal band for 20 years.
I am active in the Twittersphere.
I'm at Phil That Remains.
tim pool
Libertarian?
phil labonte
Small L. Like most people.
Most reasonable people.
I'm not a Lalbertarian, I guess.
Yes, thank you.
tim pool
Cool, man.
Ian's chillin'.
ian crossland
Yeah, what's up everybody?
Ian Crossland over here from iancrossland.net.
Thanks for coming.
lydia smith
And I'm in the corner pushing buttons as I do.
tim pool
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Let's jump into that first story.
This one's got me hot, riled up, I'm all angry.
Check out this story from Intelligence or NYMEG.
Authorities say cop accidentally shot and killed Dante Wright.
This is an interesting story.
Yesterday, we heard that these cops shot and killed a guy.
He got pulled over, so his mom says, because he had air freshener hanging from his rearview mirror.
They say that's illegal in Minnesota.
When he was pulled over, the mom says she heard on the phone, he was calling her trying
to get the insurance information.
The cops say, get out of the car.
He says, why?
And they say, we'll tell you when you get out of the car.
Apparently, then the mom gets off the phone, he puts the phone down.
Body camera footage finally gets released.
It got released today.
I guess the cops were very eager to put this out.
I guess the cops thought that by putting out this footage, it would calm things down.
In my opinion, no.
It's only going to make things worse.
In the mind of these cops, they're like, see, you have this lady cop, and she's like, she yells, Taser, Taser, Taser.
You've got Dante Wright resisting on camera, trying to jump back in his car and take off, and she's holding her gun.
She yells, Taser, three times, shoots him once, and then says, Holy S, I shot him.
He drove a little bit, crashed, and then he died in the car.
So the cop's saying, look, we genuinely believe it was an accidental discharge, that she was trying to tase him.
There's a lot of issues here.
First and foremost, Black Lives Matter protests and riots erupted immediately.
Then many of these people who had been seen at these rallies started looting stores.
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I get these people hitting me up on Twitter and they're like, how do you even know those people at Black Lives Matter?
tim pool
And there's like a photo going around of them literally waving a Black Lives Matter flag.
I'm like, come on, dude.
I'm not trying to besmirch the good name of literally everybody who believes in justice.
I'm pointing out, these people are protesting one minute, some of them go off and loot.
It just happens.
Some looters exploit the whole system.
Now, all this is happening in the backdrop of the Chauvin trial, so things are gonna get absolutely nuts.
Summer is lighting up, and there's a meme going around where it says, how to tell it was Summer, 1990s, and it's the guy holding up Punxsutawney Phil or whatever that groundhog's name is.
And says 2020 and it shows a dude standing in a car with his fist up and there's fires all around him.
Yeah, that's right.
We know that it's getting warm outside because the riots are going to start.
And if these cops think that any one of these extremists that are going around burning down the city are going to give them an inch, they're insane.
I think this lady cop is going to go to jail.
They're going to try and charge her with whatever they can.
They might even get her on murder three.
We'll break all that down.
But, you know, before I go nuts and just rant all that stuff, I want to just throw it to you guys.
Like your thoughts immediately on the news coming out of these rides and stuff.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you mentioned that she had an accidental discharge and that was purely negligence.
She didn't know what she was doing.
The police frequently need more training.
Yeah, she panicked.
You know, you hear stories about, you know, police looking for or they're talking about Defund the police, and honestly, police probably need more funding for training.
That's what I've always been saying.
If you are given the power over life and death of citizens, if you are going to be given a firearm to go out in the community and stuff, you want your police officers to have as much training as possible.
You probably should roll back legislation because you don't want police doing all the jobs that they're supposed to do.
I understand that being a police officer is hard.
I'm not like a, you know, an ACAB dude at all.
And it's a difficult job.
But that doesn't mean that we have to make exceptions for when they make mistakes.
You have to be held to account when you make a mistake and that negligence cost a man his life.
For nothing because he was like we talked earlier the reason that he had a full layers of this thing right now You're gonna go right for it.
I mean, you know, I'm a big 2a guy So, you know the the the reason that he had a warrant was because he was carrying a gun in violation of state law But in my opinion, there shouldn't be a state law regarding carrying a gun.
tim pool
I agree This is a sandwich here.
We got a libertarian, he shouldn't have resisted, libertarian argument, right?
The way I see it is, here's what happens with this guy.
He gets pulled over, he didn't realize he had a warrant.
Andy Ngo put up the record of what the warrant was all about.
Here's what I think happened.
They say, he was in possession of a firearm without a permit, and he fled by means other than a vehicle, both misdemeanors.
I think this guy got stopped at one point.
And he had a Ruger .45 and the cops saw the gun and said, you're under arrest.
And he ran and got away.
I bet he thought he was clean.
He got away.
The cops got a warrant for his arrest.
So when he gets pulled over, he's thinking like, it's no big deal.
Then when they're like, get out of the car.
And he's like, what's going on?
You're under arrest.
Then he's like, I gotta, I gotta flee.
I gotta get out of here.
He shouldn't have resisted arrest.
If he didn't listen, so like, I guess where we're going with this is he shouldn't have received any warrant or charges simply because he had a gun.
But if he didn't resist and he just put his hands behind his back on two misdemeanors, then a gun rights group or someone could have advocated for his right to bear arms.
phil labonte
Yeah.
You know, you never, you never should resist because it always ends with more, it always escalates to more force.
tim pool
Well, I never say never, but 99.97 times.
phil labonte
Your chances of getting shot go up exponentially as soon as you resist.
So, fight the fight in the court.
You don't fight the police.
You're going to lose, and there's always more cops.
There are always more cops coming.
There's backup coming, and there's backup to backup.
I mean, it's like...
Like GTA.
Eventually the National Guard with tanks come if you kill enough cops in the game, right?
So eventually they're gonna come with like the APCs.
You are gonna get shot, killed.
Don't fight the cops.
Fight in court.
That being said, you shouldn't have to have so many interactions with the police.
You shouldn't have to worry about, I had a gun.
And the police are going to take me to jail for it, you know, just for possession, possessing a gun.
tim pool
So I say, when I say never say never about resisting, I'm not talking about, you know, a cop says, look, you got a warrant, you're under arrest.
I, the reason I say that is because like, there might be a cop committing a crime, legit.
And he's like, I'm a cop.
I can do what I want.
Okay.
That's different.
You know what I mean?
That's why I say never say never.
If you get stopped by a cop and he's like, look, I'm arresting you.
You're not going to win.
Nope.
If you're trying to get in a physical fight.
Smart people, you know, you keep your mouth shut, you just remain silent, put your hands behind your back, you call a lawyer as soon as you can, and you've got to fight in the system.
It's not easy.
phil labonte
The right to remain silent is a right that is an option, and it's also your absolute best option if you feel that you're in a position where the police are doing something wrong.
Explain, you know, say, look, I don't consent to any searches.
Here's my information.
And then you don't have to say anything else if you don't want.
They're going to say that you're being uncooperative.
They're going to say things to try and intimidate you.
They're going to say things to try and make their own job easier.
Because that's what it boils down to is they want their job to be easy because most of them look at it as it's just a job.
I'm doing my job.
Don't make my job harder.
But you still aren't obligated to talk to the police.
Just don't say anything but don't resist.
tim pool
Now we go to the next layer of this whole thing.
The rioting is the worst part about all of it.
phil labonte
Well, the dead guy's the worst part about all of it.
Then the second worst thing is the rioting.
tim pool
I mean, like, you know, moving beyond that.
That's what I should clarify, too.
You know, after this instance, we have a bunch of people going around rioting, destroying everything.
And for what?
For what?
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Why?
tim pool
Why are they going into a mobile and getting stopped and stealing, twerking in the parking lot as they do it?
It's not for justice.
phil labonte
No, it's not.
tim pool
But is the media going to come out and be like, opportunist looters are destroying the city?
phil labonte
No, because clicks.
I mean, the more intense the situation gets on the ground, the more people are going to click the headlines, the more profit the media will make.
tim pool
This is weird to me, though.
Like, you'd think the shock content of, like, rioters burn down the city would be the narrative that would generate the most clicks for, like, a suburban family.
They should be writing headlines that are like, you know, crazy rioters are burning down the city, how long until they come to your house?
Instead, they're like, peaceful protesters are shopping without permission at night.
phil labonte
I got nothing.
I don't know what the hell they're thinking.
I don't know what they're thinking.
I agree with you.
The stories themselves, I feel like, are enough to get people to click.
I think that the narrative that's being spun by most of your major media outlets is what they believe people want to read.
So, like you said, you know, side with the audience.
And I think that's what people really want.
ian crossland
You said that you searched Riot on Google search?
tim pool
We'll jump to that.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
But I want to get back on the gun thing.
Because like, the one thing that's really pissed me off, I tweeted, this woman should be, this lady cop, send her to jail.
Lock her up.
And it was funny because all these lefties were like, based Tim?
Like, is Tim?
Like, whoa, hold on, hold on.
There's two things I want to say here.
I've bought a bunch of guns recently.
And every time I go there, there's one very important thing that every gun owner has told me.
No matter what happens, you are responsible for what comes out of that barrel.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
Accident or otherwise.
You gotta take responsibility.
That's why it is your responsibility to have all of the basic training.
Don't point the gun at something unless you intend to destroy it.
Keep your finger off the trigger.
Guns are always loaded.
All of these rules.
Now, I get it.
This lady, she screwed up.
She thought she was going for a Taser.
She yelled Taser, but she was holding her gun.
Heat of the moment, she was panicked.
People don't realize that stress.
She's still responsible for what comes out of that gun.
phil labonte
Absolutely, absolutely.
tim pool
Now here's the other thing, though.
Because we were getting into this.
I'm extremely pissed about this whole interaction.
I don't blame the cops themselves for being like, he's got a warrant, we gotta arrest him.
Because they don't necessarily know what this is all about.
But, like we mentioned, this guy had a gun.
And that was the grounds for him being charged with a crime.
What law did he break?
The Constitution says shall not be infringed.
He didn't rob anybody.
And I'll tell you what really bugs me is I'm seeing conservatives post, this guy, there's one viral Twitter post where he's like, this guy would have robbed you in two seconds because he's got photos of him pointing a gun.
I'm like, nah, nah, you have a right to bear arms.
Sorry.
phil labonte
Absolute garbage take that the idea that that that someone can predict that that, oh, this guy would have done this or would have done that.
There is absolutely no way of knowing it.
And just because the conservative doesn't like the way the guy looks doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have rights.
He has rights.
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For sure.
tim pool
I do think there's like photos of him with like his gun and he's like pointing it at the camera and I'm like, that's cringy.
phil labonte
I mean, it's cringy, but I'm, I know that there are pictures of me holding guns out there, you know?
I mean, I'm a big 2A guy.
I've gone and I've got videos on my YouTube page that of me at classes training, you know, which if you, I'm going to take one second and steal the spotlight here.
If you own guns, get training, please.
Please get training that's it's the best thing and the most responsible thing you can do is know how to properly Use your gun.
ian crossland
All right, so you were saying before the show you took a police training gun class.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, it's totally inadequate Absolutely.
Yeah, I so I've done First time I ever shot, I went to a range with some other gun people.
Well, I should say with one guy who was, like, well-versed in guns for a variety of reasons.
He was a conflict reporter, and he's been in countries where they have full-auto just rampaging about.
So, that's where he gave me some basic instruction.
I wouldn't say it was, like, a legit training, but I actually did do an interview with a police trainer and went through the full police training.
It's like a day.
It's one day.
So I'm, like, sitting in a classroom.
They're going over all this basic stuff.
They're talking about, you know, a good shoot, a bad shoot, things like that.
And then they allowed us to just sit in on it.
And then afterwards, we went to their range, and they walked me through the use of, like, all these different guns, down from, like, starting with, like, a .22 handgun, like, really easy for someone who's never shot before.
Even though I had, and then up to... I can't remember what the highest caliber they had was.
You said, what did you think it was, like, a 10mm?
phil labonte
It could have been 10mm, yeah.
tim pool
It felt like it was bigger than .45.
phil labonte
Some kind of Magnum or something.
tim pool
Something Magnum, probably.
And, uh, so I shot all these different guns.
And the reason I say it was inadequate is because I'm like, dude, I shot, like, 12 bullets.
You know what I mean?
And my aim is not good with these things.
I was missing everything.
Now, long gun's a lot easier to be accurate with.
But I'm imagining, like, a lot of these people who went through this were doing it to get some kind of certification.
And then you put these people out on the street.
phil labonte
Certification's not enough.
The big reason to go for training... I mean, just a certification is basic understanding and stuff.
The reason you should go for training is so that way you know how to operate the gun should you need to.
You learn things like clearing your garment if you're carrying it concealed.
Things that are practical.
And how to draw your gun and keep your finger off the trigger while you're drawing it.
Because one of the things that happens too frequently is people grab their gun This is something we were talking about just before the show.
tim pool
I'm like, what?
She had a Glock.
I'm pretty sure it was a Glock.
And they don't have safeties.
And I'm like, I wonder if this whole thing would just be solved if they gave her, like, a Beretta with, like, an actual safety on it.
Just click the little safety up.
phil labonte
Those things are, like you said, those are training issues where if you have a firearm with a safety on it, again, if you train, pulling a firearm with a safety and turning the safety off, it doesn't make it, it doesn't take any more time.
You don't have a, you're not a slower, you know, it's not slower to get the gun out and stuff.
But it's a training issue.
If you have a gun like that, you need to train with it.
Training is one of the most important aspects of owning a gun.
tim pool
She's going to be Chauvin number two.
phil labonte
Probably.
You should go to a training every year.
I'm going this weekend.
You should go to one training class a year.
I can't drive that point home.
ian crossland
Could you argue that the dude got in his car and looked like he was diving for a gun?
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of people... I mean, that's fair.
Completely fair.
ian crossland
That's probably what she thought.
tim pool
He had a gun... No, no, no, no, no.
She was going for a taser.
She said, taser, taser, taser.
No, she thought he was going for a weapon, so that's why she... And she said, taser, taser, taser.
I think it's definitive, like a reasonable person would conclude, she thought she was grabbing her taser, not her gun.
But it is fair to conclude they thought he may be going for a weapon because he had... his warrant was for having a weapon.
I just, I don't care for that argument.
Everybody should have a weapon, because the Constitution says you can.
And if you want to change it, you change the Constitution.
ian crossland
Yeah, but not everyone should dive for their weapon when they're being detained.
phil labonte
Nobody should dive for their weapon at all.
Zero people.
Exactly.
There should be O people diving for their weapon when they're getting detained.
tim pool
Arrested by the police yeah cops pulling you over you're getting arrested you keep your hands visible you obey you
put your hands behind your Back you let them cuff you you keep your mouth shut you
deal with it through the courts Well people don't realize when all these people resist
arrest, and they're like this is BS, man You can't arrest me dude. This is the good side of things
in some countries They just beat you to death right there on the spot in some
countries They just put a cap and then they're done in America. Oh,
no You have to go and have a lawyer represent you and you get to actually come out and bond.
Some places are doing cashless bail now.
phil labonte
Literally first world problems.
Yeah.
As much of a hassle as it is, you're totally right.
You are 100% on the money there.
It is first world problems that you have to go to court.
And go through a justice system, as opposed to getting your ass handed to you.
tim pool
Or just being locked up and thrown away the key.
It's amazing that we're so used to this amazing system that the founding fathers had to die for.
You might know this better than me, where it's like a certain number of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence lost their fortunes, were killed, their houses were burned to the ground.
That's what they fought for, to ensure that when we get arrested, we get to go to court.
phil labonte
They pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
And many of them died and didn't have anything left to their kids.
Their houses were burned.
Their families were killed.
We know about a lot of the founding fathers that survived and stuff, but there were people that signed the declaration that lost everything and died for it.
tim pool
And part of that, what they got us was the Bill of Rights, which is the right to a speedy trial, right?
That's in the fifth, I think, right?
phil labonte
It is in the fifth, yeah.
tim pool
Quite literally, the right to a trial is that you're going to get arrested, you're gonna go before a judge, and you can ask for a jury of your peers.
It's not easy, and it's not always fair.
I think, you know, it's better than, you know, ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
But we strive for that, and it's not easy, and there is injustice.
But it's like, dude, you're getting arrested.
I'd be like, man, I'm sure glad I'm not in Turkey.
ian crossland
Yeah, really?
Or in Chile?
I like how you phrase it, you get to go to court.
Because in a lot of countries, you're lucky to go to court.
You just get beat down.
If you don't bribe them, then you suffer.
tim pool
In Turkey, if you're a journalist, they just lock you up and you don't get out.
phil labonte
And then the Saudis come and kill you in the embassy.
tim pool
So Turkey has the worst laws for journalism.
And so I've been there reporting a couple times, and the pro-Turkey people try to justify it, saying, no, no, no, you don't understand.
You don't understand.
Turkey is really good for journalists.
The people who are arrested aren't journalists.
They're like activists claiming they're journalists because they have a cell phone.
And I'm like, so journalists?
Like, sorry, dude, I get it.
I get what you're saying.
So we see these people out.
It's one thing if someone's like, oh, I'm a journalist, and they throw a Molotov cocktail.
It's another thing when there's a guy wearing an Antifa sticker is just filming.
Push that guy aside.
He's allowed to film.
It's an act of journalism.
But in Turkey, they don't care.
They lock you up.
They throw away the key.
You don't get a First Amendment.
You don't get a Fifth Amendment.
You don't get a Second Amendment.
phil labonte
You don't even have a First Amendment in countries that allegedly have the freedom of speech.
Like Britain.
ian crossland
You don't have a First Amendment.
phil labonte
In the UK, you can get thrown in jail for bad Facebook posts.
In Canada, you can get thrown in jail for saying the wrong thing.
tim pool
In the UK, you could do something like, I don't know, teach your pug to do, like, the Roman salute or something.
ian crossland
For instance.
tim pool
And for instance, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
And then they'll lock you up, and then... I love Mark.
tim pool
Then you can teach your other pug, who's actually a black pug, to do the black power fist, and they don't care at all.
ian crossland
Hypothetically, yeah.
tim pool
I gotta say, for those that aren't familiar, I'm making a reference to Count Dankula.
He's the best.
When he did his first video, which got him in trouble, was he wanted to make his dog a Nazi.
His girlfriend's dog, because it was, you know...
Uh, the nastiest thing you could think of.
But he later on, after all of this he's been through, he made a video where the other pug, who was black, he had it raised his fist for black power, and it's hilarious.
And I gotta admit, the cojones on this guy.
Going through the courts, they try to lock him in jail, he's laughing, the media smears him, and then he's like, I'll do it again!
But you know what he knew?
He knew they wouldn't arrest him for the black power thing.
That was the point.
And the video was really good.
He's like, oh no, the labor party's coming in to hide the Torah.
unidentified
I hope he moves to the US.
ian crossland
I feel for people when they see like American comedy and they try and pull it off in their own country and get busted by their cheap law enforcement.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about the media because you mentioned this a moment ago, Ian.
Check this out.
When you Google search riots right now, my friends, those of you who are not watching, just listening, we know that riots erupted in Minneapolis.
We know that people are scared.
The jurors are scared that if they give, I think this was expressed in the trial during jury selection, that if they say not guilty for Chauvin, It's going to say he's going to burn to the ground.
What you need to understand is it's not just about whether or not Chauvin gets
freed or goes to prison.
There's three charges.
Chauvin can be acquitted on one, two or three or none.
And that means out of all the potential scenarios and everything we've seen, I
would be willing to bet you will get a headline that says Derek Chauvin acquitted
in the murder of George Floyd.
And then it'll say, he was convicted on third degree murder and manslaughter, but acquitted in second degree.
And they use the most shocking headline, acquitted in the murder of, because they want you to freak out.
With that, the media knows exactly what they're doing, and I can prove it.
By simply going- And Google, I gotta say, whatever their system is, whether it's intentional or not, is totally in on it.
Right now, there's riots happening in Minneapolis.
And guess what story you get when you go to Google and you type in the word, riots.
There it is.
The first result out of 17 million.
Nine hours ago, the Washington Post, headline, data about the Capitol rioters serves another blow to the white working class Trump supporter narrative.
What?! !
This was three months ago!
unidentified
They need the milk.
tim pool
I mean... We just had riots the other day!
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, there's been riots going on in Portland for... A year.
A year, like every night.
I've seen stuff about it in the past month, and they're still talking about the Capitol riot.
Why?
Because the Orange Man is very bad, Ian.
Don't you know?
ian crossland
Your point is made.
phil labonte
The orange man.
He's very bad, and people cannot forget that he is a very bad orange man.
tim pool
How is it that Google, 17 million results, the top post, it's data about the Capitol, and then underneath it, people also searched for riots in Minnesota?
lydia smith
Why would they search for that?
tim pool
Could you imagine being in Minnesota and being like, you're hearing bangs and screaming and you're like, what's happening?
So you go on Google and type it in.
It's like Capitol riots.
You go, I don't care about that!
phil labonte
It's ridiculous that you have to specify in the, it is ridiculous that you have to specify what riots when it comes to a news, like which ones, which has it been, is the ones that have been going on in Portland?
Is it the one that happened at the Capitol?
Is it the one that's happening?
I mean, that's, that's, it's ridiculous.
tim pool
Hold on.
You ready for the best part?
phil labonte
Sure.
tim pool
I'm not done.
phil labonte
Give it to me.
tim pool
I'm not done.
phil labonte
Give it to me.
tim pool
The first post, when you search for riots, it's not Black Lives Matter, it's Capitol riots.
Then you have people also searched for Newsweek, DW, and National Review talking about Minnesota.
But these aren't the results for riots.
These are people also searched for riot in Minnesota.
Google is letting us know these three results are suggestions not based on the search term riots.
And guess what the actual second listing is in the search term riots right now as we literally had riots yesterday.
Well, the first one was the Capitol, and the second one is from CNN one hour ago.
Trump State Department appointee facing Capitol riot charges released from jail.
What's the third?
Clear the Capitol, Pence pleaded.
What's the fourth?
You're going to die tonight.
Body cam footage shows Capitol riots.
ian crossland
Don't forget.
tim pool
And then, and then, and then, and then, number five, TMZ.
Dante, write.
lydia smith
Oh, not Newsgarden.
ian crossland
TMZ got it right.
phil labonte
TMZ.
tim pool
It is the fifth result.
Right now, a day after the city was being ransacked and looted and there's tear gas and fires, they're still talking about the Capitol.
Three months ago.
phil labonte
I love him.
that it is fair to point out that this speaks to your point that you've made multiple times
about the media loving Donald Trump and losing that the revenue that he generated for them.
Because nothing in the past 10 years has gotten clicks like the orange man being very bad.
tim pool
But just, why aren't they cognizant of this fact where they can just say, well, we have to move on?
You know, so like, what am I talking about on my main channel, Timcast?
Last year, I'm like, Democrats, Republicans, election, election laws, what's happening?
All very election-related.
And I get people going like, all you do is talk about politics now.
You used to talk about cultural issues.
I'm like, dude, what's the big thing going on right now?
Now, we're outside the election and what am I talking about?
Chauvin trial.
I've got like four out of the past five videos about the Chauvin trial because this is the big impact, it's where the news is going, it's what's important.
I'm not talking about Trump.
Trump used to be seriously in like my tags, first word, because like it was always Trump, it was always something with Trump.
And even I was like, geez, you know, I'm tired, you know, this guy's sucking up the air.
Now, We're in a new space.
There's news happening.
People want to know what's happening and what do you think about it.
So for people who come to me, they're like, Tim, tell me what you think about this because most people already know what's going on.
You've seen the news article yourself, you talk to your friends about it, you go online to find commentary to maybe think of something or hear something you didn't think of yourself.
I do this, right?
So now people are going and they're going to Google and type in riots.
What's happening?
Enter.
The fifth search result was TMZ and it was the first talking about Dante Wright.
Do you know what the sixth is?
Capital rioter, ex NYPD cop stunned.
He's being held with inner city criminals.
New York Post.
It's not just the left.
The New York Post is a conservative outlet.
They're the ones that broke the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Even then, 11 hours ago, Amazing.
And you know what's really funny?
The next one is about Kenosha.
It's remarkable to me that if you search for riots, you are not getting served information about what happened in Minnesota.
And it's primarily because many of the big mainstream news sources that dominate search results Ain't talking about it.
ian crossland
Do you cross-check DuckDuckGo?
Do you search with DuckDuckGo over?
tim pool
No, no.
I usually don't even use Google to find stories.
I, you know, go through various news sources and I use Twitter and I kind of curate different sources.
ian crossland
I can't get it up on my phone.
I'm interested to see if you search ride on DuckDuckGo.
tim pool
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
phil labonte
Let me see if I can... Why can't you get it up on your phone?
ian crossland
I don't know how to switch it in my Brave browser on the fly.
I'll check into it though.
tim pool
Alright.
Maybe Dr. Goh's.
I'm not saying... I'm not blaming Google necessarily.
Right.
So the first result is recent news.
Massive riots in Minnesota.
Minnesota riots clear the capital.
So the first two in recent news on Dr. Goh is Minnesota.
ian crossland
So it could be... Hold on.
tim pool
Then we get general riot.
Not even news.
So after that, it's like, definition of riot, not even news.
But let me click news to make sure I'm being absolutely fair.
phil labonte
Right, games consensus.
tim pool
Number one, when you go to riots, all DuckDuckGo, massive riots in Minnesota.
Click the news tab, the first result, massive Minnesota riots.
Massive riots in Minnesota.
The second one, several Minnesota businesses looted.
The third, clear the Capitol.
So they still have some of these stories, but DuckDuckGo is prioritizing better, in my opinion.
ian crossland
Could be the Google algorithm is just tainted towards trash bait, you know, flash bait or whatever.
Or it could be that Larry and Sergey are political.
I mean, those guys run Alphabet.
They're basically the owners of Alphabet.
tim pool
It's the trash bait.
We know that Google has a news source ranking where they, like, I think a bunch of conservative outlets don't appear in search, particularly Breitbart.
I think Breitbart's, like, omitted.
You're talking to me.
saw this leaked actually I think it was like Veritas or somebody leaked where
it's like here's the Google blacklist of all the websites they don't allow to
appear in search or are limited for a while even my YouTube channels were and
then it wasn't until on this show I said hey my channels are blacklist they
removed it so I'm like Google must be listening they're listening but this is
what's happening Google you know I think it is I think it's like a toilet being flushed and like all the turds are being swirled towards the middle.
So what happens is Google, I believe genuinely and from their own bias, I'm not saying they're not doing things wrong.
I think they think they're genuinely doing the right thing.
They're like, we got to get rid of this fake news.
Let's make sure we only prop up, you know, CNN, Washington Post, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, et cetera, New York Times.
Those outlets are then suffering.
Their ratings are collapsing.
Their subscriptions are down.
So they're like, just make Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
So when we're three months out from the Capitol riots or protests or insurrection, whatever you want to call it, they're still doing it because here's what happens.
Like many of the grifters, the people who are all about just pandering to the tribe, the news outlets built up an audience of angry establishment Democrats and leftists.
If they come out now and say something, they're worried they will lose money.
So they're probably sitting there.
I've been in these editorial meetings.
I imagine they all sit down at the table, and there's someone on the phone, some editor, some boss, and they're like, OK, so what are the stories that we got?
And they're like, well, we had those riots yesterday in Minnesota, and they're like, Well, you know, um... We haven't gotten a resolution yet.
Why don't we hold off on that one?
Oh, we can talk about the Capitol!
You know, some of these guys are getting resolutions.
Capitol's great!
Let's talk about the Capitol!
And what you don't hear in the actual words, what underlines this, is the boss going, If we talk about the Minnesota stuff, we're gonna piss off a lot of our subscribers and lose money.
Capitol, now that's money.
And that's safer for us.
Let's go with that one.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean that seems like a reasonable take.
Especially considering a lot of the more progressive news outlets are run by people that are not as interested in progressive issues as they are in the bottom line.
You know, when siding with your audience is the primary driver, you know, you don't want to focus on things that will upset them or drive them away.
ian crossland
Do you think they were like, well, there were riots, so let's write a story with that flash word in it?
And then so they said, OK, we've got to write a story about riots because riots are popular right now.
There's going to be a lot of riot search results.
So then they pick the the most trashiest riot and they're like, let's write about the January 6th.
Or is it just I've been writing about that crap anyway?
phil labonte
I hadn't thought about that, but maybe they do.
I would I think that I would look in the next couple of days to see what happens.
If there are a lot, or if there continue to be, because they didn't know that there were going to be riots today, two days ago, and some of the stuff that Tim was pulling up was from, you know, yesterday or the day before or whatever.
The riots have started off today, I believe, or at least the ones in Minnesota because of the cops' bad shoot.
tim pool
Would you like to play a game?
unidentified
Yes.
I would.
phil labonte
Would you like to play a game?
ian crossland
Click here to find out.
tim pool
So I pulled up two progressive sources.
Okay.
This is not science.
This is just me pulling up two progressive sources, then MSNBC and Fox News, to see what they're talking about, and it's exactly as I thought.
First we have Slate.com.
What's their headline story?
Inflation is about to look freaky!
Slate.com is a leftist publication.
You think they'd be talking about something.
We got over here a small little, you know, blurb on the left.
Is Derek Chauvin's defense flailing?
The answer to that question is no, by the way.
But, uh, the big story isn't about Minnesota.
In fact, I don't even think I see anything on Minnesota.
All right, okay.
Well, Slate's up the biggest.
Let's try Vox.
V-O-X.
Vox.com.
Okay.
Let's jump over to Vox, and what do we see for the main number one story?
The hottest number in conservation is rooted more in politics than science.
Why the U.S.
egg industry, the Christian right, the Chauvin trial feels momentous, Georgia companies banding together, natural-born citizens, Biden's plan, the bizarre push.
Where's the Minnesota riots?
Okay, okay, okay.
Hold on.
Now, Fox News.
Now, we know Fox News is gonna be talking about the riots, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, Rupert Murdoch.
tim pool
Alright, pull up Fox News.
The top story is, City Manager Fired for Demanding Due Process for Cop in Deadly Shooting.
Mayor Takes Control of Police.
Okay, so we got Dante Wright from Fox News.
It's actually... I wouldn't say it's Wright-biased, but they're just saying the cop demands due process and got fired.
That's fairly neutral, but they are talking about it, and they're talking about it in a positive light, right?
phil labonte
I mean, sort of.
You think it's a little biased?
No, it's just that nowadays the Constitution is a right-leaning issue.
The left doesn't give a crap about the Constitution.
tim pool
All right.
Well, just below this on the front page of Fox News.
Bracing for violence.
Live updates.
Curfews in effect across Minnesota.
Crowds swarm NYC streets.
Alright, well, the two progressive sources weren't talking about it at all.
Fox News is.
Now, what do you think MSNBC has to say?
phil labonte
Uh, nothing good.
tim pool
MSNBC, top story.
Yamiche Alcindor, Dante writes shooting is a recurring nightmare for black Americans.
That's exactly what I thought it was going to be.
I thought the progressive outlets would probably blurb this somewhere but not really talk about it, and the big networks were going to choose their position.
Fox News, this is bad, prepare for violence.
MSNBC, it's a nightmare what's happening.
Not referencing the nightmare for everybody else as their city burns.
So, you know what I like to say?
I guess one thing I can give credit to what we do here.
I tweeted, the cop should be in jail.
Like I already said, whatever comes out of that gun, that's your responsibility.
I'm not saying murder charges, because that's not going to stick.
There was no intent, but she screwed up.
And I had a bunch of lefties saying, your followers sure are going to hate this one, Tim.
And I'm like, I don't care.
phil labonte
People don't know... People that aren't involved in the gun world at all, they don't know how people that are involved in the gun world think.
Right.
tim pool
There's... Go ahead.
phil labonte
Go ahead.
tim pool
I was going to say, conservatives, I think, who are more concerned about Black Lives Matter and rioting, are going to be less pro-2A.
Libertarians, who are very, very staunchly pro-2A, and not big L libertarians, just libertarian in general, are going to look at this and be much more about gun rights.
phil labonte
Yeah, if you're pro-2A, especially if you're a younger person that's pro-2A, the idea of being exclusionary when it comes to your pro-Second Amendment attitude, that is old person stuff.
That is FUD talk.
Seriously, that is not what you see when you talk to people that are pro-2A nowadays.
ian crossland
You're saying they want it across the board?
phil labonte
It's a very inclusive, inclusive thing.
You've got people like Maj Touré and you've got people like Coleon Noir out there, you know, really representing, you know, representing black people that have just as much love for the gun world as anyone else or as any white people do.
tim pool
If you, if you tell me that this dude, you know, in, in, uh, Dante Wright was a violent criminal who should be in prison and all that stuff.
I'm like, I don't think you're actually pro too.
I think you're just a tribalist.
If you say, look, man, he shouldn't have resisted arrest the cop.
I understand what happened.
I agree.
You're right.
However, he should be allowed to have his gun.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
He shouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
tim pool
So, and we'll just reiterate this point, because for this segment, Daunte Wright should have just been arrested, he should have put his hands behind his back, and then someone could have advocated for him.
Because then they would have been like, is the only thing he's being charged with is that he was carrying a gun?
I'm pretty sure the Second Amendment says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
What is his crime?
And then you sue, he would have had standing to make a challenge, maybe up to the Supreme Court.
And then he would have been exonerated, and it would have made the whole country better for everybody.
Shouldn't have resisted.
He shouldn't have been criminalized in the first place for his right to bear arms.
So it's a layered thing, it is.
But, you know, long story short, this is what we get from the media.
unidentified
But we do have more riots, so... Don't worry, the riots don't end.
Oh, they don't end.
ian crossland
Don't worry, guys.
tim pool
Fun doesn't end there.
ian crossland
Ooh, more riots.
tim pool
More riots.
Riots rock Montreal.
COVID-19 lockdown protests turn ugly.
unidentified
OK.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't blame them, considering how the country, the federal government up in Canada has been behaving.
But it is, I mean, it is fairly impolite to riots.
I'm a little surprised.
lydia smith
Me too.
phil labonte
They're very polite up there.
tim pool
Yeah, I think I disagree with the riots.
I think the lockdowns at this point are proving to be have been mistakes.
We should have done, I think, what they call the surgical strike, where it's like, protect the elderly, protect the vulnerable, and then have, like, limited restrictions.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Now you got the Today Show.
They run this segment that goes viral where they're like, Texas and Florida see their COVID cases going down below the national average, whereas stricter states like New York and California see their cases rising.
What could be causing this?
It's like, I don't know, but at a certain point, maybe you should be like, we're seeing something here.
Fauci gets asked about it.
And he's like, I don't know.
Okay.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, the government has had such a bad reaction to, or bad policy, whatever you want to call it, to COVID since the beginning.
I'm still of the opinion that they proved themselves to be unreliable and not worth trusting when they were telling people not to wear masks and then did the complete reversal.
Especially seeing as it seems to me, if I understand correctly, the reason they were telling people not to wear masks was because they were concerned about whether or not people in the medical field would have enough.
They're literally lying to the American people about things they believe would be helpful because essentially it was triage, you know?
tim pool
Right.
Fauci said this.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He said, like, we just want to make sure the medical community got their masks.
phil labonte
So I don't trust the government at all.
tim pool
You know, I'm kind of, look, I'm middle of the road, right?
I gotta say, the things that I find bothersome are you've got a lot of tribalistically pro-vax people taking their selfies and like gloating and smiling.
You get Brian Stelter on CNN saying, why won't Fox News post selfies with their vaccines?
And I'm like, dude, you're making it worse.
Talk to your doctor.
If your doctor recommends it.
It really is.
go with what your doctor says.
I was talking to somebody and they said their doctor actually recommended against it because, you know,
wife was pregnant and they were concerned about allergens and things like that.
And I'm like, your doctor knows better than anybody.
But then there are people who are like mad at me because I'm like, talk to your doctor.
And if it's right for you, only your doctor can tell you.
And I got tons of friends who are posting vaccine selfies.
I roll my eyes, guys, it's like, just, I get it.
You got your vaccine, congratulations.
Yeah, it's like, it's, I mean, look, they're saying COVID might replace the flu.
We know it's more serious than the flu.
We know it's infectious.
But I get it.
I'm not going to go to the doctor and then post selfies and join this tribal crowd.
I think everybody is just trying to play tribal politics on this one.
It's really simple.
phil labonte
Talk to your doctor.
That kind of stuff is just absolute cringe.
It's fine if you want to get the vaccine.
I'm likely to get one in the next week or two.
If I can get one in New Hampshire, I'll be getting one.
tim pool
Do you know which brand you're going to get?
phil labonte
Not the one that comes with three blood clots.
tim pool
That was the AstraZeneca one.
Dude, I saw this really amazing meme video.
It is really funny.
It's this dude and he's like, it's him acting all the scenes.
It's one of these TikTok meme videos.
And he's like, he's playing the patient sitting there like, you know, like lazily.
And the doctor, you know, gives him the vaccine.
He's like, there you go.
You're all set.
And then he goes, I've done it.
I've collected all five.
And then he's like, wait, what do you mean?
And he goes, I've gotten the Pfizer, the Moderna, the AstraZeneca, the Johnson and Johnson, and the Sofli or whatever.
And then the doctor's like, you need to go to the emergency room.
And then he punches the doctor in the face.
unidentified
And he's like, why be immune when you can be invincible?
tim pool
And then a guy runs in, he's a cop.
And then he like uses telekinesis on him.
It was a great meeting.
I wish I remembered the guy's name.
It was funny.
I just, long story short, because I'm just kind of like, Look, they have new flu shots every year.
And again, I know the flu is not nearly... COVID's worse.
I think that the mortality is like double or triple.
But, like, I don't go to Walgreens and, like, take pictures and, like, dance around and, like, all the meme stuff we thought in the hospital.
It's just... Look, man.
I've always been rather anti-establishment and, I guess, to a certain degree, punk rock.
I just, I cringe at this, like, we're all holding hands under the rainbow and going to the doctor and posting these selfies.
phil labonte
I mean, look, it's bad that people have lost their lives and have lost their, you know, their jobs and their businesses and stuff.
Um, one of the more first world problems is just the level of cringe has gone through the roof because of COVID.
The amount of people that are, you know, the, the whole superheroes bowing to doctors picture that, I mean, it's just, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm for, if you, if your doctor says you should get the vaccine, I'm for getting it.
I'm going to get it because I will.
Do almost anything to get back on tour again, because I miss touring so much.
I love playing shows.
It's not just my livelihood.
I love performing.
So if I got to get a vaccine to get on the road again, okay, fine.
But man, if I see one more person...
Wearing two masks in their their default picture on in their bathroom.
Oh, it's just like come on.
Come on.
These are you know, it's I get that you're that you want to do this, but it's all this this tribal virtue signal stuff.
It's just you're gonna vomit.
tim pool
The weird, the weird thing to me is like, uh, I understand if people are concerned about the vaccine because it's under emergency use authorization.
So it's not gone through final approval.
Sure, sure, sure.
I'm just like, talk to your doctor.
But, you know, I think most of the people that have come through here in the past month have gotten their vaccines and we've like talked about it and they're like, oh yeah, you know, they're like, it's not a big deal.
And I'm like, what, what's this?
It's, I wouldn't call it anti-vax.
I would call it, there's like people who don't trust what's, you know, the vaccine.
And it's kind of weird to me cause I'm like, I don't know, dude, talk to your doctor.
I get it, like you're allowed to do what you want, read what you want.
But I just feel like, the way I've always explained it is, I went to my doctor a year ago and he prescribes me some like crazy, you know, I don't even know what it's called.
And I'm like, it's like this weird long word and I'm like, sounds good to me!
And now people are like, all of a sudden, I'm concerned about this.
I'm like, dude, I think the vaccine passport stuff goes over the top.
phil labonte
Very, very, very, very over the top.
tim pool
Yeah, like it's, you know.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think your medical history is your medical history.
You talk to your doctor, your doctor tells you what to do.
Talk to a bunch of doctors.
I think we've beaten a dead horse on this one, but let's do this.
You mentioned you want to go back on tour.
Absolutely, man.
Check this out.
CDC director says Michigan needs to shut down again amid rising coronavirus cases and will not be able to vaccinate its way out of a fourth spike.
Come on, man.
I feel like I got people saying, like, Tim's shilling for vaccines, and I'm like, dude, I've gotten a ton of vaccines before.
I don't get it.
phil labonte
Man, I wanna go back to Flint.
tim pool
When they come back out, and they're like, oh, even if you get the vaccine, we're still shutting the state down.
I'm like, what am I supposed to tell people?
If I can't go outside, why don't I get the vaccine?
If you're telling me I can't go out, I can't go to the store, all right, well, once we start reopening, I'll call my doctor and say, what do you think?
I got food allergies.
That was always like the issue for me on this.
I'm not, I'm not going to, and I'm 35, man.
I'm not in the affected group.
But if they were like, we're going to reopen everything and, you know, it's easier if you get your vaccine, then I'll be like, all right, cool.
You know, we're getting back to the movie theaters and all that stuff.
You're not going to wear a mask.
But they're telling me I gotta wear two masks and I can't go outside, but go get it anyway.
I'm like, I'm chill.
I'll wait.
Like, I don't understand.
I'm not trying to be a dick.
I'm not trying to be like anti-vax in any way.
I'm just saying, I mean, I got time.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Again, it comes back to the mistrust of, or at least for me, it comes back to the mistrust of government because they've had such a bad, even if it's just messaging, the messaging has been It's so just abhorrently terrible, just disgusting.
And you're going to have people that don't trust what they're saying.
I don't feel like I should be expected to know what to do.
I yell at a stick for a living.
I sing in a band.
I'm not the guy to ask or to tell you what you should do when it comes to vaccinations.
I don't know.
I have to go by what I read and by what I hear.
And if you're only going by what you read and what you hear, you're literally basing your opinion on someone else's opinion.
You know, you're saying, this guy I trust, and this is what I've heard from this guy, and so when it gets to people on, you know, on Twitter being, you know, rude and stuff like that, or having the, you know, acting like they're so much better than other people because they're like, oh, this is what I believe, and you are so dumb for taking the vaccine because all the stuff that goes in there, or you're so dumb for not taking the vaccine because, what do you know?
You work at the Pretzel Place in the mall.
tim pool
Shut your face, you know, like you know, I love it's like Your doctor could literally prescribe you like frazzle basil BAM shove it up your ass Yeah, and people are like you got it doc.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm like it's between you and your doctor, man I don't want to know about and then because their doctor recommended it They're gonna talk to you like you're a moron cuz you're not taking the suppository right now You can also get a second opinion.
ian crossland
That's a big part of the medical industry.
unidentified
In fact, you're often encouraged to... Not on Twitter.
tim pool
You're entitled to one and you get banned.
ian crossland
If a doctor tells you something and you question it, that's your right.
And you also have the right to then a second and maybe a third opinion and to look to other doctors.
And you should be researching, if you're going to stick stuff in your body, what you're doing with it.
tim pool
I'm just mad at Fauci because he has been the biggest discouraging factor in all of this.
It's just like, come on, dude.
Texas and Florida are doing alright.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
I just came from Texas and there are still some of the larger chain stores, like Walmart, you still have to wear a mask and stuff.
But smaller places and smaller businesses, people don't wear them and you don't see a lot of people.
Freaking out and I think there's there might be something to the idea that you know, Texas is you know hitting 80s and 90s now So people are outside and and not cooped up and maybe that does have something to do with it But again, that's what the hell what the hell do I know?
I I sing in a band I can only go by what I'm what I'm seeing, you know, yeah, Florida, Texas are warm.
tim pool
So it could be Yeah, well, it could be you're outside, you're less likely to transmit, perhaps.
But again, not a doctor.
Like I said, man, doctors prescribe you some weird stuff.
phil labonte
They borrowed a lot of money to be able to do that stuff.
Go talk to them and get your insurance company to give them some money so they can pay back their loans.
tim pool
But what's worrying to me is that at a certain point, people are just not going to care anymore.
And there was this one thing, I think it was on CNN, where this woman was like, now's our chance to get the vaccine out.
phil labonte
Because if we don't- Terrifying.
tim pool
They're like, people are going to go out and do their own thing anyway.
Enjoy their freedoms.
phil labonte
The worst thing about that is just she misunderstands what the role of government is, misunderstands Anything about human liberty, it misunderstands why people are free, thinks that the government gets its power from the existence of the government as opposed to the consent of the governed.
I mean, just listening to that person go on, I was appalled.
It was one of the most offensive things that I've heard in ages, and I'm not easily offended.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like, they're going to enjoy their freedom anyway, so now's our chance.
Like, come on, dude.
Well, how about we get into one of the most dangerous stories for YouTube, as it were?
Because, hey, if it's in the news, it's in the news.
And who am I to judge?
We have this story from the Daily Mail.
You ready for this one?
phil labonte
Let's go.
tim pool
Pentagon scientists reveal a microchip that senses COVID-19 in your body before you show symptoms and a filter that extracts the virus from your blood.
unidentified
Gimme!
tim pool
I can't believe it when I saw this meme going around.
I'm like, that's not real.
phil labonte
I can't believe that's an actual story that is being... I mean, I'm surprised that it hasn't been squashed by Google and all the other... 60 Minutes?
tim pool
It's a 60-minute story.
phil labonte
It's a 60-minute story?
tim pool
60-minute story.
No... Let me read it.
Let me read this.
Pentagon scientists working inside a secretive unit set up at the height of the Cold War have created a microchip to be inserted under the skin, which will detect COVID-19 infections.
phil labonte
It's the mark of the beast!
unidentified
The Pentagon!
phil labonte
They're putting robots in you!
tim pool
And a revolutionary filter that can remove the virus from the blood when attached to a dialysis machine.
phil labonte
Does it have lights on it?
Are they shooting lights in your vein like Trump said?
tim pool
They're gonna put a bleach The team at DARPA have been working for years on preventing and ending pandemics.
They assess the issues and come up with ingenious solutions, which at time appears to be more science fiction novel than working in a laboratory.
One of their recent inventions, they told 60 Minutes on Sunday night, was a microchip which detects COVID infection in an individual before it can become an outbreak.
The microchip is sure to spark worries among some about a government agency implanting a microchip in a citizen.
phil labonte
By some, they mean Jesus people.
unidentified
People that are very religious.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they mean everyone.
Except these like, just, I don't know man.
phil labonte
Bill Gates is on, is like, yeah, let's do it.
I want to put a chip in everyone.
tim pool
Do you remember Verichip?
This was like 10 years ago, I think.
phil labonte
Vaguely.
Vaguely.
Refresh my memory.
tim pool
There are RFID chips they would implant in your hand and you could wave it by a door and it would open.
And it had your information on it.
And the way it works is that the signal emitted from the reader provides enough power for it to bounce back a signal with information.
It's brilliant.
But when that came out, this is like 2000s, people were freaking out like, this is it!
This is the mark of the beast.
phil labonte
There are already biohackers that have done that kind of stuff to themselves, though.
unidentified
Totally.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, there's people who put, like, full, weird, like, Arduinos, like, in their arm.
Your body rejects that stuff.
But, like, this stuff has been around for a while, where there's been some kind of microchip embedding, and there's been all the conspiracy theorists.
And the funny thing is, there's a meme going around because of, I think, Ryan Reynolds, where he posted a vaccine selfie, and he said, upgraded to 5G today.
I saw that, yeah.
Now I'm seeing all of my, like, I'm seeing some of my friends and a bunch of memes where people are like, getting 5G, reception's great.
And I'm like, I get it, I get it, it's a funny joke.
But the thing is, the media was desperately trying to tell people, even YouTube was against the rules, they're not putting microchips, there's no microchips, there's no COVID microchips, stop.
And then it's like, okay, fine, okay, we won't say it's crazy, we know it's crazy, and then Sunday, 60 minutes.
unidentified
And it's okay for 60 minutes to do it too.
phil labonte
This conversation probably got this stream defunded.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised if we get in trouble for something like this.
Because you know what happens?
The way YouTube videos are moderated, it's typically some dude in like India or you know China or Mexico and it's outsourced labor where some of these people... Is it really?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
My understanding is, I'll put it that way just in case, but my understanding is it's outsourced labor because there's so much content.
So you get some person who's watching it and they don't understand context.
First you get the robots that do it.
And the robots are like, I see swears, beep boop boop, demonetized.
Then if it escalates, you'll get a review from like a person.
And they're gonna be like, oh, microchips, that's conspiracy theory.
Boop, boop, demonetized.
Not anymore.
This happens to me all the time, though.
Check it out.
So I actually have, I actually know people at Google, but I have an actual, like, Google rep that I have to constantly message, like, hey, this is demonetized.
There was, we had two videos on this show, on this channel, where we criticized Ocasio-Cortez.
We got demonetized because of it.
And they said you violated our policy against being hateful towards an individual.
phil labonte
She'll send people to your house.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
AOC?
phil labonte
Yeah, that guy, there was that person that was on Twitter that made a comment critical of AOC and the FBI showed up.
What?
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
You didn't hear about this?
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't remember the guy's name.
He was a left-leaning guy and he said something critical and he ended up with someone at the FBI at his house because he criticized AOC.
So I don't think that it was AOC.
tim pool
The first thing, well, to be fair, the first story that pops up is actually
that they tweeted about something really bad, like causing harm to somebody.
phil labonte
Spicy?
tim pool
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, I'd say it was spicy.
So if you Google search AOC FBI, something I probably can't repeat on YouTube
because it's too spicy.
phil labonte
Let's not go there.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It wasn't just a guy saying, like, AOC, you suck.
It was a guy who said something like, go do a thing to this person, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Ah, interesting.
tim pool
You see it?
You see the story?
Somebody was basically calling for harm against AOC.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at this now.
tim pool
Or is it a different, because the one I saw was from a couple months ago.
phil labonte
I feel like it was, no, no, this is, yeah, this is not the one that I'm referring to.
tim pool
So there is a story where a guy was being mean to her.
Well, anyway, while you look that up, I'll just finish off this point.
They demonetized these stories because we were critical of AOC.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
And then I submitted for appeal, and they were confirmed demonetized.
So then I had to contact Google, I'm like, hey, and then it took like a week, and they were like, sorry about this, they're monetized, that wasn't against the rules.
I'm like, We're criticizing a politician, dude.
You know?
Like, what can we say?
lydia smith
Unsettling.
ian crossland
In this case, we're talking about microchips that the Pentagon has announced.
tim pool
Yes.
On 60 Minutes!
ian crossland
60 Minutes, CBS.
Is that CBS?
tim pool
That's CBS!
ian crossland
Are you gonna get the microchip?
tim pool
I am not going to eat the microchip.
ian crossland
I want to know, is it proprietary software?
tim pool
I will get the neodymium magnets in my fingertips.
ian crossland
Oh, I am sold!
tim pool
You know about that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Do you know about this biohacking thing?
No.
If they cut open your fingertip, and they put like a, it's like a coated neodymium magnet, a small one, and then they sew your fingers up, and when it heals, the magnet vibrates against electromagnetic fields, so it gives you electrosense.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
So you can actually put your hand on a wall and feel where the power cables are.
And apparently it feels different.
Like it's a new sense.
You're like, whoa, I've never felt something like this.
Cause what happens is the magnet is pulling and pushing against the nerve from the inside and vibrating.
So you can like feel like the EMF waves, the electromagnetic waves coming off of electric objects and devices.
unidentified
I used to put magnets on my... Lydia looks horrified.
lydia smith
It's cool, it's cool.
tim pool
The problem is, your body rejects foreign objects.
So for a lot of people, what happens is eventually your fingers just spit them out.
They just get pushed further and further out.
So there are some techniques they try doing, they coat it in a material so that your body ignores it.
Some of the early pioneers of this have had the magnets break in their fingers, and you gotta get them removed, and there's like infection risks.
And your fingertips are particularly sensitive, so getting them sliced open for the surgery.
Hey, man.
But, uh, man, I've always thought that was really cool.
Now, microchips.
phil labonte
I will get Neuralink.
Will you get Neuralink?
I don't know that I'll get first gen.
ian crossland
Did you see the monkey playing Pong?
phil labonte
No.
ian crossland
Dude, you've got to look it up.
Amazing.
And it's at the end of the video.
tim pool
Can we go from being very scared about the government and playing microchips to talking about monkeys playing Pong?
He's good at it.
ian crossland
He's doing it with his mind.
tim pool
Is it a chimp?
ian crossland
It's a macaw.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I don't trust the government, but Daddy Elon, I tell you what, there's a totally different kind of deal going on with Elon.
ian crossland
He's open sourcing the code and you know what it's tracking and what it's not tracking.
phil labonte
He can open source the code, but I'm still relying on someone else to tell me because I can't code.
So like, you could be like, oh, you know, look, you can look at the code.
It's like people say, oh, you can look at the Bitcoin ledger and see.
I'm like, no, you can look at the Bitcoin ledger and see.
I can't.
That's all German or whatever.
ian crossland
Our president speaks English, doesn't speak foreign languages.
He relies on an interpreter.
The interpreter may as well be the president.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
Our president does not speak English.
tim pool
Come on, man!
He speaks elderly.
I pulled it up.
Yes, he did.
Elon Musk's company says this monkey is playing Pong with his mind.
ian crossland
This video is lit.
tim pool
The monkey planter.
ian crossland
She is lit.
tim pool
Do you know what an EEG is?
Electroencephalogram.
ian crossland
Electroencephalogram, yeah.
tim pool
So you can actually buy them.
They've been around for a long, long time.
Long time.
But there's consumer grade ones.
I talked about this before.
We bought one where it's a band that goes over your head and then there's like a bar that goes onto your forehead and it can detect two different waves, I guess.
And so there's a reader, an EEG reader on the computer And there was a red and blue line and they're like bouncing randomly.
And it's like focus and concentration or whatever, I don't know what it means.
And me and my friend, we put the EEG on and we're like trying to focus and the lines are just random, no matter what.
phil labonte
It's actually horny and hungry.
tim pool
No matter what we do, we couldn't get the lines to move, but then we gave it to his sister and she put it on and she could move the red line.
Like she figured out real quick and like the line would like make the line go up and then she would look at it and the line would go up.
phil labonte
Very hungry.
tim pool
Very hungry.
unidentified
That's right.
lydia smith
I'm starving.
tim pool
So we were wondering if these two outputs could be used to control a drone so that you have two controls.
One is to make it go up and down and the other is to make it rotate.
So you couldn't fly it around because you'd need more sensors.
phil labonte
Sure.
tim pool
But with just that, instead of a red line on the screen, the drone could be going up and down.
So I bring that up because that wasn't invasive.
It's a headband you'd put on.
You can buy all these things right now.
Does the monkey really need to get his brain chipped to be able to play Pong?
The answer is no, he doesn't.
phil labonte
He does, so that way, eventually, you can wear it in your head and type on your phone without your fingers.
tim pool
Aren't you worried about being turned into the Borg?
phil labonte
No.
No?
No.
Why do you want the Neuralink?
Because I think that Elon Musk is right about the interface.
To me, that's really the...
The interesting thing, the interface that we have today with the internet is limited to most people as their thumbs.
You know, like you said, you used to have a full keyboard for walking around all the time, then it's gone down to your thumbs.
If you can manage to just interface with the phone or whatever in your pocket, Without having the slowness of your thumbs and you could just access the existing internet by thinking.
That's something that I find extremely intriguing and I think would be a very useful thing to have in your day-to-day life.
I'm not looking to be like, oh I want the internet in my brain or whatever.
But having that interface that removes my hands Don't you want to download Kung Fu?
necessity of having my hands do the typing to access the internet that I think is interesting.
tim pool
Don't you want to download Kung Fu like in the Matrix?
phil labonte
I love the idea, I do. But I also think that there is a certain amount of,
well I mean I suppose they could, you know, eventually if that is possible you could
download the muscle memory and stuff.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You need muscle memory and you need the muscle proteins to actually build up to be able to do half the things.
phil labonte
Sure.
tim pool
So it's not just about, you know, it's funny when people are like in the Matrix, he plugs thing in his brain, he downloads Kung Fu and then he can fight.
He's like, I know Kung Fu or whatever.
It's like, well, hold on, hold on.
I can watch someone do something and they can explain it to me.
And then my brain's like, got it.
And then I'll fall over because I'm not flexible enough and I'm not strong enough.
phil labonte
I just started taking Jiu Jitsu about a month ago and there is a significant learning curve to I don't even know what I'm supposed to do.
Like for me if I've like right now I'm at I'm basically at a point where if I can pass guard on someone that I'm that I'm rolling with and I'm like okay I feel like I've won.
I don't know what to do, so not knowing, so having the information there would be cool, and knowing, okay, this is what I'm looking to do, but the actual executing still would take some kind of, you know, some amount of physical work, I think.
tim pool
Bro, what if you're actually like a 5'3", morbidly obese dude, plugged into a Neuralink right now because you've always, your whole life, wanted to be a famous heavy metal singer, and you're in the game right now, Well, you know, then hopefully, you know, he never wakes up.
At least you can say you can enjoy yourself playing a video game.
Not because, you know, people talk about you get the neural link, you plug in and you're like in Skyrim.
You're in World of Warcraft or Call of Duty or whatever.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know, I don't think that, I think with VR headsets and stuff like that, that's not super far away.
Sensations like smell that you get when you know if you're in a place the the way things smell in a place are
I don't know that we could reproduce that but nearly possibly could by accessing those those parts of
your brain and then you go ahead and you know, you put on a VR helmet that for the sound and
Sight, I mean, you know, I heard that they're actually working on virtual smell by causing electrical stimulation
Yeah here in your inner ear I tell you, those things, Tinder use would go way down if that stuff was real.
tim pool
Right now, we're in a simulation in the real world.
Phil, you're actually some 23-year-old fat kid, and you're like, I always wanted to be a heavy metal singer, and you're in the game.
Ian's actually a tech billionaire who's really smart and clean cut, and he's like, I just wanted to be this free-spirited DMT crazy guy in a podcast so bad.
You're like, I'm schooling these dudes!
I'm very hypothetical, obviously.
But you know, if it's possible to create a virtual environment where you get to experience that game, how do you know you're not already in it?
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I've heard people talk about the idea that it's a simulation and stuff like that.
tim pool
Elon Musk talks about it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, what if he's trying to break out of the simulation?
phil labonte
Well, then I want him to.
I, I, I, I truly think that Elon Musk is like, is a, I think that he's, he's a probably a pretty good dude who isn't, you know, isn't like the people at Google.
tim pool
Yeah, I tweeted, I tweeted, tax the rich, and then all the lefties were like, yeah!
And then a bunch of conservatives were like, haha, very funny, Tim.
And then I tweeted, tax the rich, but give all the money to Elon Musk.
And they're like, okay, now the left's not having it, because they don't like him all that much.
phil labonte
Yeah, they don't like him at all.
They don't like him because he has money, and he's successful, and people on the left are, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, I was really annoyed when he blasted the Tesla into space, and they're like, this is so dumb!
And I'm like, well, he needed a payload, he needed to wait.
And he made something really cool and inspirational for young people, that's legit.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So I, you know, I'm fine with it.
I don't like the idea that you got all these billionaires dumping money into politics.
So take it all and just give it to Elon Musk and let him build a spaceship to Mars.
I want to see that.
phil labonte
You know, when people like Bernie, someone like Bernie Sanders criticizes Elon Musk, it really, really rubs me the wrong way because Bernie Sanders has done nothing but live off of other people's money his entire life.
He's produced nothing of value.
tim pool
He wrote a book.
phil labonte
Yeah, you're right.
And then he made a million dollars off of his book.
And then he stopped talking about the millionaires and the billionaires and just started talking about the billionaires.
No, no, no.
Just the billionaires.
tim pool
He brought them back, though.
He brought them back.
phil labonte
Did he really?
tim pool
I'm sorry.
You were right.
You were right.
He stopped talking about the millionaires.
phil labonte
Yeah.
It's just the billionaires that he's got a problem with.
tim pool
But then he brought millionaires back recently.
unidentified
Because if you write a book, you know, then you could maybe make a million dollars.
phil labonte
Don't you insult me!
tim pool
I made a million dollars selling my book!
phil labonte
At a 37% tax rate, you know.
Top margin.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's really funny too.
I'm kind of stoked on this.
The media's collapsed because there's this big upset.
Everyone's angry about Substack.
Substack is where writers can charge a fee and write articles.
It's really simple.
But now you get this high profile individuals leaving their main outlets and just doing Substacks.
phil labonte
They're leaving because the main outlets are garbage.
tim pool
And they're being restricted and they'll make money.
It's like YouTube.
I worked for Vice.
I worked for Fusion.
I loved this.
I loved this.
There was some New York journalist and they tweeted at me.
They tagged me in this.
They were like, remember Tim Kast?
Man, whatever happened to him?
And then someone's like, whatever happened to him?
This was like a year and a half ago or two years ago.
And they were like, to go from this high-profile six-figure corporate media job to now what?
And someone goes like, oh man, his Patreon's only bringing a thousand bucks a month.
They're like, wow, that's sad.
And I'm like, These people know nothing about what's going on.
They live in this bubble where working for the machine is like the ideal.
And I left and started a YouTube channel and I was like, I was on Joe Rogan and like doing really well.
And I was, you know, business was expanding and exploding and now it's better than ever.
And these people just live in that bubble.
So now these new thoughts are freaking out because Substack has just taken everything away from them.
But I'm glad, I'm glad.
They're in freefall, their ratings are collapsing.
And I think what's happening is a lot of people like to say that these media companies Get woke and then go broke. They think vice got woke and
then went broke. They think these media companies decided one day
We're gonna be woke. Oh, no, our money's gone Some of them went the other way
Some of them were going broke and decided to get woke in desperation
They're like our ratings are dropping. What do we do pander?
What we pander to I don't know progressives at least we'll make we'll maintain that tumblers
What was that?
phil labonte
Tumblr.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We got like, uh, there's a story in the New York times.
I don't, I don't think I'll get to, I don't think we need to get too much into this one.
Uh, look at this.
New York times, uh, writes a guide to Neo pronouns.
Are you a person, place or thing?
We have good news.
Um, we're all persons.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah.
Are you a place, Tim?
unidentified
Well, hold on.
lydia smith
Are you a thing?
tim pool
I'm a place.
So, this image they have.
This is the New York Times, mind you.
phil labonte
It's an image, and it says... Block the New York Times.
tim pool
Yeah.
Pre, prin, prins, and prince self.
phil labonte
No.
And go F yourself.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
If someone... There are some limitations.
If someone came to me and said, refer to me as your majesty or prince whatever, I'd be like, nah.
ian crossland
Would you refer to me as Lord?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
I'm a Scottish Lord.
Yes.
Lord Ian.
10 foot by 10 foot square of land.
phil labonte
I'll use whatever preferred pronoun someone wants.
I have no intention to be rude.
I'm not interested in upsetting people.
I'm not interested.
And I don't have the desire to be like, no, there's only biological men and biological women and da, da, da, da.
Not interested at all.
If you have a your own pronoun, you're probably an annoying person anyway, so I don't want to hang out with you.
tim pool
So if someone came to me and said, I actually, I met someone at Occupy.
They said, you know, uh, Z said, refer to me as Z-zer.
And I was like, oh, I don't care.
Whatever.
Sure.
I just, you know, I just, I just called by that, by their name.
There's some of these people also made up their own names.
And I'm like, if you're 25 and you're like, my name is, you know, hamster, you know, hamster friend.
I'm like, you sure?
I'll call you whatever you want.
I'm just like, did I hear you right?
All right.
You got it.
Hamster bro.
phil labonte
Exactly.
I'll call you whatever you want, but I will call you very infrequently if I have to remember.
tim pool
I remember this, it was funny because it became a thing and some people were like, they were like, I don't know, I've never heard that, we're supposed to remember that?
And I was like... You ain't gonna forget!
No, I was just like, I'm sitting there, my eyes half closed, it's like Occupy Walsh, I'm outside, I'm sleeping outside, I'm like, this is the last thing I care about.
I was like, dude, I will call you whatever you want.
You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.
I literally don't care.
This is like the last thing on my mind.
The cops are blaring their horns right now.
I'm gonna go get a cheeseburger.
It, like, didn't even occur to me until it started becoming a thing and now the New York Times is writing about it.
And it's amazing because they mentioned that, like, apparently someone a long time ago tried to make it the pronoun for, like, nondescript individuals, I guess.
And they're, they're, look.
They're saying, like, it's a new thing with young people, you have to respect it, otherwise you're, like, transphobic and all that stuff.
I'm like, dude, like, a young woman, who identifies as a woman, but calls herself, like, you know, Gord and Gordo and Gordo-self, like, that's not anything to do with, like, transgender anything.
phil labonte
No.
You know, the idea that there is a significant portion of the trans community that actually does have their own specific pronouns, if I understand correctly, The vast majority of the trans community out there just wants to pass.
If you're a trans woman, you just want to pass and you want to be called she.
I totally respect that.
If you're a trans man, you just want to pass.
You want to be called he.
Totally respect that.
That's totally fine.
Again, I'm not interested in demanding that someone go by the pronouns of what they were born as.
That or what they were assigned at birth at whatever.
I'm not interested in in messing up someone's day like that.
And so I think that it's really mostly activists and people that are that are looking to or I think it's mostly activists that are looking to make a specific personalized pronoun or or something that is is If you have pronouns that you need me to use, I'll use them.
But I'm probably gonna be like, this person is a lot of work to be around.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I think one of the issues is that there's no way to broach this subject without being accused of being transphobic, because there's actually two different transgender communities, or I should say two different trans perspectives on this.
There are some prominent trans people who mention that they view gender as binary, hence their transitioning between male or female.
They'll say there's like degrees in between or something, but for the most part, I think it's like the millennial and older transgender people, some prominent leftists, I'm not going to name them because they've already gotten cancelled several times, but they've pointed out that they believe there's he, she, and if you want to go by they, that's fine.
What happened was this particular trans woman got cancelled because the younger generation said, you're being transphobic for not respecting neopronouns.
phil labonte
Was it Natalie?
tim pool
I'm not going to say who, I'm not going to, I don't want to cause a dragging thing where they're like, look at this video and he called this person and made all these things up.
So, you know, he said this about this person and they go into a brigade.
No, I don't want to get involved in that.
I just want to point out the difference.
Here's what they say at the New York Times.
They say, One card explains neopronouns at length.
In its facts section, it provides a response used often in the neopronoun community.
When talking to people who claim neopronouns aren't real words, yes, literally every word is made up.
Neopronouns are real because they carry meaning and are understood by others.
That's the problem.
They're not.
I don't understand half these words.
And if you said it to me, I'd be like, I don't know what that is.
I don't know what you're trying to tell me.
If someone said their pronouns were pre-prin, I'd be like, I don't understand.
phil labonte
That doesn't mean anything to me.
And like you're saying, part of the usefulness of words is the meaning behind them.
tim pool
So the issue becomes, Neo-pronouns just get rid of pronouns in general.
Because if Ian tells me his pronouns are pre-Prynne, and so instead of saying, you know, he said he was mad at himself, I'd say, Pree said Pree was mad at Prynne's self.
It's harder to understand what I'm saying and think about it and communicate.
Maybe that's on purpose.
Maybe they're trying to exert power.
Maybe they're young people who want to, you know, assert themselves in a conversation.
But if everyone here gave me a different pronoun, I wouldn't be able to be like,
oh, I was talking to Ian. Yeah, Priest said that Prince, he was saying he wanted to go
to the mall because he was mad at himself for not buying his second set of shot glasses.
phil labonte
Which is part of the point that I made about, I'll say whatever you want me to say for your pronoun,
but it is difficult to engage with you if you have your own specific pronouns.
Because there's a certain amount of, you know, when you read, you just, you don't sound out the words.
You know the word, and so you see the word, you identify it, and you know what it says because you're familiar with the whole word.
And our brains work like that when it comes to talking, too.
We don't have to think about the words we're going to use You have to think about the idea and maybe how to articulate it, but you're not thinking about how do I say this.
If you have a new word in your lexicon, or if there's a special word for a person, you have to really put thought into it so it does become an awkward way of speaking.
tim pool
It's like telling you you have four names.
But now one thing that's happening where the left is getting angry is people started calling themselves, their pronouns are BLM and BLMself.
So you'd be like, oh, I was talking to Ian.
BLM said that BLM was mad at BLMself for not buying BLM's second whiskey set.
Whiskey glass set.
I get it.
And they're doing ACAB and ACABself.
unidentified
Oh, slap.
phil labonte
Good, good.
I'm glad.
Thank you.
tim pool
All right, well, I'm gonna read more.
Many people who use neopronouns don't just use one set.
They select a handful and show off their collections on websites like Pronouni.xyz, a site that provides usage examples for neopronouns.
Users make their own Pronouni pages like this one, which includes z, zem, zer, moon, moon, self, star, star, self, bee, bee, self, and bun, bun, self.
Sorry if I have too many pronouns, the page creators wrote.
phil labonte
Bunself is from now on, call me Bun.
Bunself.
tim pool
That's mine now.
I do like Bunself, but like basically for rabbits, not for anybody else.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
That'd be cute.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Bun wanted, you know, Bun was telling me Bun wanted more carrots for Bunself.
I love it.
You can use, you can use just one set or they them if there are too many.
So here's where it gets interesting.
I know a lot of people think this is silly.
I'm down for respecting people within certain contexts.
You know, behind closed doors, we have to make fun of each other.
We don't like, not everybody likes each other, but we try to be good to each other to the best of our abilities.
At least I think that's a good thing.
You're out in public, you see someone you don't like, you smile and you nod.
Then you go behind closed door and say they smelled like farts, whatever.
So if someone comes up to me and they're like, these are my protons, but you got it.
You know, I got, I got no beef, but if I'm not hanging out with you, I'm going to be like, I mean, I, I, I think this, here's why I think it's, it becomes a problem.
Many states are passing these laws that say your company, these jobs, have to use your pronouns.
That's it.
It's in the law.
unidentified
You know what?
tim pool
I'm gonna stop.
I like this.
I'm a fan.
You know why?
This is legit culture jamming.
This is exploiting the system and pointing out the holes and how they don't work.
So in New York, you are entitled, at your job or as a customer, to have your pronouns, your name, respected.
It's a civil, it's a human rights law in New York city.
If you work at say, you know, Starbucks and you demand to have a certain set of pronouns, they have to use them.
Otherwise they're violating your human rights.
It's a violation of your gender expression.
Okay.
So to what limit?
If the New York Times is straight up saying you can use 50 different pronouns, your manager better start doing it.
So I'm like, okay, let's play that game.
I encourage people to adopt pronouns that they feel comfortable with and make something of it, I guess.
phil labonte
I get what you're saying, but I think that that eventually, and probably very quickly, will become detrimental to the actual trans community.
Because the more difficult you make it for people to navigate polite society, the less interested people will be in being polite.
They're going to say, well, it's just too much of a pain in the dick.
So, pardon my French, and they're just going to be like, you know, screw it.
I'm just going to do, you know, whatever.
I'm not worried about this person's, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And then actual people that have transitioned, that genuinely do get their feelings hurt
if they're misgendered and stuff like that, they're gonna be the people
that are gonna pay the price.
Yeah.
And I think that there is a certain, to a certain degree, there are people that will do things
like have their own pronouns, their own personal pronouns for a narcissistic reason,
and they're going to hurt actual trans people, and they're gonna end up making it bad for people
that are actually trans.
tim pool
I've actually mentioned this.
I was telling the story about New York.
When the story first was breaking, it was like a few months after the law was passed, I started exploring what New York City had said in terms of pronouns.
And they said, any, any.
And so I actually talked, I reached out to some friends.
I said, I need to find a human rights lawyer, like someone who litigates and like actually understands this and some advocates.
And there was a lot of confusion, but I spoke with one lawyer who basically said, if you tried gaming the system and making up some ridiculous pronoun, they would laugh you out of court.
I think.
And I was like, so if I went to a restaurant and I use some ridiculous like Asian stereotype
for like me and my family and you know, just like offensive words.
And they said, I refuse to say these things.
You think if I sued, the judge would say, get out of here.
You're screwing with us.
phil labonte
I think I disagree totally.
tim pool
But well, so this lawyer said, there's a reason why we have laws and we have judges.
Judges interpret the law.
If the judge sees that you're making a mockery of the law, they will just say, oh, we get it.
It's not a legitimate complaint.
And then I said, so you're saying if I dress in a way that is deemed to be a joke or illegitimate, the judge can just throw me out?
And he goes, yes.
And I said, so what happens if an actual trans person walks up to a judge and the judge says, you're not a woman, and then says, get out of my courtroom?
That, that opens the door for them to actually suppress transgender rights.
And that's when the lawyer was like, well, you know, these things, like the general idea from the lawyer was, it's true.
They could happen.
But most of these judges understand the spirit of the law.
And I was like, listen, I'm willing to bet there's going to be a conservative judge in one of these jurisdictions.
And if you're telling me they have a right to laugh someone out of the courtroom, it will be an actual trans person.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess.
ian crossland
Especially if you're looking at people now who are becoming aggravated by the excessivity of it.
They become judges in the future.
You know, the 17-year-olds now are gonna be judges in 20 years.
phil labonte
And the thing is, I don't know that it's actually really excessive.
I think that things like that story are such a small case.
Like, there are such a very few people that would want to be... Do you think that it would be more than... Well, I was just gonna... I physically expressed myself while you're talking, just so you know, I'm gonna have a counterpoint, but...
tim pool
This is from Tumblr 10 years ago, and it's now in the New York Times.
phil labonte
It is, but I still don't think that there's a lot of people that would be using their own personalized... I mean, we already talked about the fact that most trans people just want to pass, and they just want to live their life as a trans woman or as a trans man.
That's it.
And I think that a very small minority want the specialized Uh, you know, specialized pronouns.
And I do think that that is more about narcissism than about actually being transgender.
I think that it's more about, I want to be, you know, I want attention.
tim pool
I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, that it's ultimately going to be more detrimental for trans people.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I think it's a hard trans community.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the last segment.
I was saving the best for last, because I'm gonna go off on this one.
phil labonte
Alright.
tim pool
We got this story about the Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
You may have seen it.
It's a new Disney Plus show, and get well, go broke, baby, because the last rumor report we were covering is that there was this scene in the show It's the Falcon and the Winter Soldier from the Avengers movies.
They're walking down the street and they're arguing, and it's the Falcon's a black dude and the Winter Soldier's a white dude.
Some cops pull up out of nowhere!
And they walk up to Bucky, the white guy, and they're like, is everything okay, sir?
And he's like, yeah, it's fine.
Is this man giving you trouble?
And they're like...
What are you talking about?
And then Sam is like, what's going on?
And the cops are like, sir, sir, calm down.
And then Bucky's like, don't you know who this is?
And the cops are like, oh man, oops, it was the Avenger.
Oh, geez.
According to the rumor, this obvious Black Lives Matter narrative soured a bunch of people who turned the show off and stopped watching.
I don't know if that's true or not.
That's a rumor.
But apparently, we're hearing a lot- I'm seeing a lot of posts on Twitter from people who are like, I just couldn't do it.
It's so over the top and absurd.
Had nothing to do with the plot at all.
unidentified
Literally.
tim pool
It was like, they're like, we gotta stop these super soldiers, man!
And the cops pull up and they're like, hold on there, sir!
We're gonna do a racism!
unidentified
It's like... It had nothing to do with the show!
tim pool
Right.
Alright, well.
We got a new one for ya.
Captain America is incel!
Here we go, baby!
The rap says, incel Captain America is so perfect.
We know it's wrong to enjoy the whiny and murderous John Walker on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but it feels so right.
I tweeted, the wokeness in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is getting too thick to be enjoyable, because the latest episode was like, Uh, Zemo, who's the bad guy, is like, this lady is a super soldier and now she will be- Oh, spoiler alert.
Sorry, I guess.
So, if you're not ready for this, spoiler alert.
Anyway, I'll continue.
The anti-hero guy, Zemo, he says, she will become a supremacist now that she has super soldier, you know, serum in her veins or whatever.
And it was like, the idea was basically that people who gain power Crave it, and then start believing that they're the only ones who should have power, who can solve the problems.
And he's like, the Nazis believed it, the Avengers believe it, and now you've got this rogue group of, you know, extremists, globalists, leftists, who kill innocent people to get their way.
The rap says, let me just read some of this for you.
John Walker, aka the new Captain America, showed us his true self on the Falcon and Winter Soldier this week in more ways than one.
The new cap has struggled to feel like he belongs in a world full of gods and aliens and super soldiers, and for good reason.
He's just a regular soldier the US government decided to name the new Captain America without consulting, so far as we know, any current MCU heroes.
He hasn't been trained to fight these battles, so of course he's going to get whooped.
And so we have this new Captain America.
He's just trash at his job.
He's embarrassed and certainly looks like he hasn't been sleeping because of his frustration at being sidelined by actual heroes.
There's an easy remedy to the issue.
Partner up with Sam and Bucky and follow their lead.
But this toxic masculinity, Captain America can't do that.
He's freaking Captain America.
He's supposed to be the lead.
He can't take orders from these sidekicks.
Even though they're better than him at everything.
Even though they actually fought superhuman folks and worse before.
Even though they have some idea how to operate freely like this, and John Walker doesn't, the show is called The Falcon and Winter Soldier, but this guy thinks it should be the Captain America show.
For most of the episode, the new Captain America is a huge clown, seething with rage about his numerous inadequacies, like some kind of message board incel wondering when we're finally going to talk about men's rights.
And then he gets a hold of the final vial of Super Soldier Serum, and he puts that stuff in his body, and he graduates to Captain Clown.
They say way back in the first Avenger, Captain America, the creator of the original serum said that it amplifies everything that is inside.
Good becomes great, bad becomes worse.
Steve Rogers was good becomes great, and it looks like John Walker is the other one.
It's kind of a strange arc for John.
He was originally presented as idealistic and excited to help, but he so quickly went from that to being a tool without much of a de-evolution.
He just was a good guy, and then he was yelling at the real superheroes for being so good at their jobs that they're making him look bad.
But I like where we ended up.
I like seeing this trash person angrily beat down bad guys because he hates them so much, and then tarnish the uniform and the shield by beating a guy to death in front of a crowd of people to get revenge for his injured or dead partner.
It's disgusting, and it felt so incredibly wrong, and it was absolutely a thrill to watch.
I'd love for blah blah blah.
Okay, you get the point.
Alright.
I'm gonna- I'm gonna thoroughly give this a whoopin' and a debunking.
I'm actually interested to see the next episode of Captain America- of- I'm sorry.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Because you may be thinking to yourself, wow, Tim, this show certainly has gotten woke, and these woke media outlets are certainly pointing out that Captain America's an incel, and uh-uh-uh-uh, I must stop you there.
What we're actually getting, if you actually watch the story, if you listen to the words of the characters, is criticism of critical race theory and the woke left.
First and foremost, the bad guys are globalists.
They're called the Flag Smashers.
They wear masks.
They want there to be no borders, and they're willing to hurt innocent people to get it.
That doesn't sound like incels or the far right.
Baron Zemo, who is the anti-hero they break out of prison, he says she is a supremacist.
Now that she has this power, you know, basically she's gonna think she's the only one.
So what ends up happening is...
The narrative presented by the rap is that Captain America is a regular guy who feels inadequate because these other super soldiers exist.
And these super soldiers are supremacists who they think they're the best.
And this Captain America guy in one scene looks at Bucky Barnes and he says, it's so easy for you, isn't it?
unidentified
With that serum coursing through your veins.
tim pool
Then he gets a hold of the serum and takes it and becomes a villain.
And you know what I see with this?
Replace Super Soldier with White Privilege.
And you get a guy who doesn't have it, who is jealous of those who do, who will do anything to have it, who looks in the face of Bucky Barnes and says, it's just so easy for you with your White Privilege!
And then you have these far leftists who believe they're the only ones who can save anything because they have this power, like the white progressives.
And it sounds to me like Captain America represents critical race theory, Black Lives Matter, and the woke left, angry at those who have the privilege they want, and they're willing to do anything to get it because they hate those.
They are whiny losers.
And it's funny that the rap sees that and says, this guy's an incel.
No, he's a guy who was looking at this world of superheroes that he wasn't a part of and angry at them for what they had and wanted it and said, they don't deserve this.
I'm the real hero.
Sounds to me like he's criticizing white privilege.
Would you agree, sir?
ian crossland
I see your point of view.
That makes a lot of sense, actually.
It's very meta and pretty interesting.
tim pool
I wonder if the writers were actually going for like a woke thing because they did that police thing early on.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I watched this and when I first saw Zemo say like, oh, she will be a supremacist.
And I was like, oh, come on, don't go there.
Like, are we really going to do this?
Are you going to make a thriller about superheroes turn into a, you know, beat you over the head with this progressive stuff?
And then I actually, you know, watched through it.
And now I feel like they're actually critical of the left.
It's similar with Black Panther.
Black Panther was, like, the left loved it.
You've seen Black Panther?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
So, like, the left was treating it like this great accomplishment, you know, and it was so amazing.
But it was actually politically nuanced.
It was a nation with a literal wall around its borders, refusing immigrants and refugees, versus an ethno-supremacist who wanted to take over the world and supply a certain race with weapons.
And I'm like, that's a nuanced political take.
I dig it.
Now we got the Falcon and Winter Soldier, and they're literally doing what appears to be a mockery of awokeness.
phil labonte
I don't know that, I mean, I think your analysis can definitely be, it's reasonable.
I don't think the writers are intending that, but I do think that you probably hit the nail on the head.
Or at least you've managed to see something that possibly the writers did not see.
tim pool
I'm not entirely sure the writers thought this all through, but is it possible it's projection?
Like so much of what the left and the critical theorists and the woke people do, they project.
phil labonte
I want it to be.
Yeah, I suppose that it is possible.
Because it does make sense.
I imagine they would not be happy to hear that analysis.
In a cell, Captain America?
I mean, I'm not a fan of... I thought WandaVision was good.
And WandaVision, I understand that your criticism of WandaVision is legitimate.
She was the bad guy.
tim pool
First three episodes are trash.
Not even a real show.
She's torturing people, and then she's the good guy.
lydia smith
Well, spoiler alert!
tim pool
That sounds a hot... Oh, whatever.
Yeah, at this point... It sounds like... These are mini-series.
It's not going to be a recurring season or anything, so it's over already.
It may as well have been a movie.
It's so amazing that WandaVision, a lot of people pointed out that it's like a... Let me stop here and start over.
I've heard this meme a lot.
I don't know if it's true.
They said, a male power fantasy is diehard.
He's climbing, stepping in glass, got a gun taped to his back, and he's gonna save the day.
The guy, he's gonna fight back and defeat the terrorists.
And a woman's power fantasy is the romantic comedy where the woman seems to bumble about, do everything wrong, but the guy ends up falling for her anyway.
So, you look at WandaVision and it feels like it fits more of the traditional female archetype.
That she's angry, she's mad at everyone, she gets whatever she wants, she does whatever she wants, she's torturing people, and in the end she's still supposed to be the good guy.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I'm not sure if that is the female archetype or not, but it does... Probably just an offensive meme.
Probably just an offensive meme.
But it does seem like, I mean, I suppose that, again, that is a legitimate way of looking at it.
But I mean, when I said that I liked WandaVision, I suppose that I mean that I found it entertaining.
I didn't find it offensive.
Because they are characters that I cared about.
I cared about Vision and I cared about Wanda Maximoff.
Because the Scarlet Witch is one of the most powerful characters, if not the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe.
I think that what happens to her matters certainly far more than what happens to the incel Captain America that they've come up with.
And so the story is more compelling because this is a completely new character that I don't much care for.
And I've only watched the first episode and I haven't really watched any other episodes of Falcon and Winter Soldier.
I had intended to, or I do intend to, but I was going to wait until there were more.
tim pool
I'm kind of bored of it because it feels like it's like it's just too B tier.
Yeah, but the stakes aren't high enough.
Not enough's happening.
The characters don't matter enough.
There's not enough high level anything to it.
phil labonte
I agree about the characters don't matter enough.
Vision was an integral character from Ultron on.
And Wanda, again, being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe, means the stakes are higher.
tim pool
We'll see if the Get Woke or Go Broke continues, because with this article from The Wrap, whether my analysis is correct or not, a lot of people just view it as getting woke, and they're not going to want to watch it.
It's preachy.
phil labonte
I heard Jeremy on The Quartering talking about people turning it off, and then I think it was... We talked about it as well.
Did you talk about Overlord DVD too?
Because I went and listened to his video on it.
tim pool
He's like the progenitor of the rumor, so I don't know if that's true or not, but it was a way to talk about what was going on with the show in general.
I mean, I'm stoked for Multiverse of Madness.
What is Doctor Strange?
phil labonte
And that's going to have Wanda in it as well, right?
I mean, they're characters you care about.
ian crossland
I gave up on it, man.
Once, I don't know when, all the Marvel crap, all the cartoons.
It's like cartoons for adults.
Like all the CG crap.
It's like they tend to have this invincibility behavior where there's no fear.
The characters aren't afraid.
It doesn't feel like this impending danger that you feel with a really good hero that's afraid for their life and fighting for their life.
Then in the background of it, there's just all this cartoon stuff going on in the guise of like CG explosions that are fake, ships that are fake, lasers that aren't real.
And it's like, man, I play video games.
I want to be interactive if I'm going to be having that sort of cartoon.
tim pool
But we did get a really important point.
Someone just brought up in the super chat that I just saw.
There's a scene before the cop pulls up and while they're arguing and Sam and Wintersoul and Bucky are walking and some little kid goes, yo, it's Black Falcon.
And he goes, I'm just a falcon.
I mean, like, you're black, Falcons, like, nah.
Like, and that was something, you know, so this is B. Young mentioning, isn't that anti-woke?
I'm like, I remember that.
It didn't get as much play among the, you know, commentators, and it was legit.
phil labonte
I'm just Falcon.
tim pool
And he is just Falcon.
Dude, I think Anthony Mackie kills it, and I think Falcon's an awesome character.
I'm stoked, you know, I was excited for the show.
unidentified
I just feel like it's not, you know, He got beat up by a Tic Tac.
tim pool
I mean, that was great.
I thought that was awesome.
I like the character.
He's cool.
He's like a military guy who got this experimental suit.
It's legit.
I think he could have done, like, they could have had a better, like, introduction for him or whatever, but I'm stoked.
I really liked that, when he was like, I'm just the Falcon.
That's right.
They're making that point.
And I'll add something else, too, because I've been watching a lot of Star Trek The Next Generation.
I've seen them all a million times.
I'll watch them again.
Today's episode blew my mind.
I'm watching it on the BBC.
It's like 4 p.m.
or whatever.
It's the one where Worf's son, Alexander, comes back from the future to try and teach himself how to be a warrior, and there's a point where they don't know it's his future self, and he's telling this kid who's like 10 years old, No one on the Federation starship thinks of you as a human because you look like a Klingon.
And he's like, and this kid, he goes, that doesn't matter.
He goes, yes, it does.
What you look like does matter.
And I'm like, that's amazing.
That starts with the next generation.
Way back then was anti-woke, was critical of this idea that being judged based on how you look mattered.
And it was like, this guy who was wrong was telling the kid, you have to, you have to leave and be with your own kind.
And I'm like, they were actually being critical of the racists.
And now it's come full circle and they're being critical of the left.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's, that was, that was, you know, that's what the, the, the dream of, of Dr. King was, you know, where people were respected for their own humanity.
And that was, I heard Jim, James Lindsay talking about this, that during the civil rights movement, you didn't see, uh, you know, African-Americans walking around talking about their blackness.
They were holding signs that said, I am a man.
And I remember that, yeah, you know, it was an appeal to their humanity.
It's like, look, I'm a person just like you.
And that's, I think that seeing the individual is the important way to view people.
It's not seeing the group that they come from.
tim pool
And I remember that famous quote from Dr. King where he said, I have a dream that one day there will be a black superhero who isn't called Black Falcon, he's just the Falcon.
phil labonte
I remember that one too.
He said that in Selma, right?
ian crossland
Marvel and Star Wars, they trashed it.
We watched Fantasia 2000 a couple nights ago, and the animation was flat.
Walt Disney was gone.
The magic of Walt Disney, the guy who created that animation style, that flowy movement, is dead.
And you can see that in Disney's art.
He's gone.
He's not there to oversee it and to say what's crap.
Man, that company is just in name only.
And that's money gone wrong.
You think money in politics is bad?
phil labonte
Rian Johnson should be put on trial.
He should he should definitely face I mean I'm trying I'm being I'm being generous by giving him a trial but you know it should probably be a you know just a quick trial Let's go to Super Chats, everybody!
tim pool
If you have not already, do us a solid and smash that like button because, uh, I don't want to get into too much, but there's been a weird thing where, like, we've been, like, likes have been just going away or whatever.
But, uh, if you do like the show, leave us a like, comment below, because we appreciate it when you, uh, support the show.
And, uh, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're going to have a great, uh, exclusive members-only segment coming up after.
We're going to be talking about a convention of states.
unidentified
Right?
phil labonte
That's what we're going to talk about.
tim pool
We already thought about it.
We got to do it because you're, you know, Article 5 Convention of States.
phil labonte
Article 5 Convention of States can make the disillusion of the United States legal if necessary to avoid war, to avoid a death toll.
tim pool
TimCast.com, we'll be talking about that around 11 or so, it should be up.
But let's read some superchats.
We got Roddy the Rotsky says, Hey Tim, we know your guest on Friday was a CCP mouthpiece, what with his being a contributor on their state news.
I wanted to at least shout out your work you've done studying China and not just letting him spew propaganda.
Well, um, you know, I always enjoy having people of different opinions.
And I certainly had my arguments with what he was saying.
I think I did like a four minute rant where I was like, here's what China is doing.
Here's why it's bad.
Here's what's going to happen to us.
We're losing our rights.
Billionaires are becoming deferential to China.
Then they're lobbying.
They're putting money into lobbying with our own politicians that we vote against our rights.
I think those conversations are important, whether or not they're perfect.
We're going to have a lot of people come on the show probably are going to have bad opinions.
So yeah, it is what it is.
phil labonte
You had Vaush.
tim pool
Yeah, we had Vosh and Destiny, and I respect them for doing it.
phil labonte
But Destiny's opinions aren't nearly as bad as Vosh.
I think Destiny's got totally respectable opinions.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Destiny was actually fairly smart.
I just disagree.
Well, I should say, Destiny was smart.
I don't mean to be disrespectful.
I mean, he has interesting arguments.
I think he was just lacking information on a lot of things.
And there's a lot of people on the left who simply, we just, we know different things, which shapes our opinions.
And then we get into arguments, and we're like, wait a minute.
And then there's like a clash, and then we're adamant on our stuff.
So Destiny, I thought was actually great because he defended Kyle Rittenhouse.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, he was like, if he can see it, he's honest and he assessed it.
I respect that.
I think, you know, some people have brought up that Vosh said that lying to get your
way sometimes is acceptable.
unidentified
And.
phil labonte
I mean, Vosh is just bad.
tim pool
Hey, look, I'm willing to have, you know, whoever.
phil labonte
So I mean, I mean, if there's nothing wrong with, there's nothing wrong with having, you know, people with bad opinions on it makes for good YouTube videos, you know?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what you got here.
Kay Lorraine says, Tim, do you think this will ever actually stop though?
The media are like Charles Manson.
Not me.
I just told them to.
So this is becoming the norm.
Yup.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I don't even understand what she was saying.
tim pool
Uh, the media is going to keep putting out these lies and framing things improperly and then acting like they had nothing to do with it.
Like when they say, uh, you know, that the prosecution is winning.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude, if you've been watching this trial, you're probably laughing at how, how, how clownishly bad the prosecution is.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's crazy how Slate actually says, is the, is the defense floundering?
phil labonte
I was, I was, I was listening, or I was in an exchange today with a, with a young lady that was sure that, uh, Chauvin, you know, was, was guilty.
Guilty and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, the prosecution hasn't even rested and the defense hasn't even presented their case yet.
How can you be sure?
And she was just adamant that he was... And I'm like... Let me lay it out.
tim pool
We've only heard from the prosecution so far.
They've had about one or two good days.
And a good day doesn't mean a great day or a slam-dunk day.
Even within one of these good days, the defense still got a major slam-dunk, when the medical examiner said, she was asked, if you saw George Floyd in his apartment, You know, and he was dead and you came in.
How would you assess this?
It's just a drug overdose.
What if he didn't have drugs in the system?
Heart failure.
Reasonable doubt.
What these people don't understand is the burden is on the state.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So if they're looking at it like...
phil labonte
She was Canadian.
tim pool
Oh, right, right.
If they're looking at this like, the state doesn't need to prove he was guilty.
They just need to suggest it.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
They got to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
So the defense was very effective at raising reasonable doubt in almost every single circumstance.
Even getting one of the paid expert witnesses to admit Derek Chauvin used less force than authorized, which intent is out the window.
That's two and three are gone.
Murder two and three are gone.
Because if he was authorized to use a taser and he didn't, because he wanted to use lesser force, then Murder 2 requires the intent to murder.
Murder 3 requires the intent to cause harm, which results in death.
But he chose to use less force.
How are you gonna get him on that?
Manslaughter, maybe, but I still don't think so.
I'm not an expert.
Legal Insurrection disagrees.
They say he might get manslaughter at this point.
ian crossland
We'll see.
I'm not getting how news media can write articles like, did Tim Pool just commit murder by slamming a brick into a guy's head?
And that can be the title of the article?
And of course in the article they're like, no.
But the title of the article, did this person commit this heinous crime?
tim pool
It'll be like, while Tim Pool was nowhere near the man and never had a brick and has nothing to do with this story, we're still questioning whether or not his actions could have ultimately... I mean, just because it's a question mark and the word did doesn't mean that you're not accusing.
ian crossland
Like, at some point you can't just say something illegal in a video game.
tim pool
Free speech, bruv.
ian crossland
Apparently.
In a video game.
phil labonte
You can ask a question.
tim pool
Look, the in a video game thing isn't real.
Like, these leftists... Have you seen this?
phil labonte
I've seen Hasan do it, yeah.
In Minecraft.
It's not a legal defense, dude!
tim pool
It won't work!
phil labonte
In a video game, yeah.
tim pool
They don't understand, like... For those that understand, they'll say something like, we should, you know, commit X crime.
In a video game!
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
That's not how things work.
The question is whether or not you intended to incite violence, not what you said.
So there's a bit from The Whitest Kids You Know, where he explains, he's like, my lawyers told me that I can't say, and then he says something about the president, I also am told, I can't tell you to come at this point at 7 p.m.
and bring with you these things.
And like he goes through this, the point is when you watch that, You know it's a comedy show and he's joking and he's not actually intending to incite anything.
When you watch a political commentator who's routinely said very explicit, you know, things, and then he says, we should all go and do X. Yeah.
In a video game, in a video game.
It's like, dude, you think a judge is going to be like, oh, can you say that in Minecraft?
ian crossland
Should we all go commit X crime on Tuesday at 4 p.m.? ?
Are you allowed to say stuff like that?
tim pool
No.
It depends on whether you're intending to actually incite.
So try, like these people don't get this.
I love this.
When I was, when I was younger, they'd be like, we're, we're going to have a kegger.
It's, it's, uh, you know, it's the beer is free.
We can't sell beer.
That's illegal.
But the cup costs $20.
And I'm like, that's called solicitation.
And the cops still arrest you.
Do you think the cops are dumb?
They're like rats.
They got us.
They're selling cups, not beer.
No, they're like, you're selling beer.
Shut up.
I love, there's this movie with the, I can't remember what it is.
phil labonte
There used to be a store in Western Massachusetts that was an adult video store.
And for some reason about zoning or something like that, they couldn't be just an adult video store.
So they literally were the cup store and they had 51% of the store was styrofoam cups because it was the cheapest thing.
And the rest was an adult video store.
I mean, obviously this is back, you know, probably 15, 20 years, maybe 20 years.
At least, it's over 10 years ago, because I haven't lived in Massachusetts in over a decade, but they used to have, there was one, and it was on Riverdale Road in West Springfield, Massachusetts.
tim pool
There's a movie where some dude is trying to buy drugs, and the guy goes, are you a cop?
Because you've got to tell me if you are.
And he goes, I'm not a cop, dude.
And he's like, you've got to tell me, otherwise they'll entrap me.
He's like, dude, I'm not a cop.
And he goes, all right, all right, I'll sell you.
And then the guy goes, pulls out his badge, you're under arrest.
You said you weren't a cop!
And he's like, why would I tell you I was?
What, are you doing an undercover means?
But people actually believe that lie.
If the cop doesn't tell you it's entrapment, dude, you can't go on a stream, say you want to commit a crime, then add in a video game, if they want to prosecute you for it, they will, they probably don't because they don't take it seriously.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, we got, I'll Fight You Naked says, The most dangerous are not bad people doing evil things.
Beware of demons who think themselves angels.
Embrace the romantic honor in fighting for a hopeless cause.
phil labonte
I'll Fight You Naked says that, huh?
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
lydia smith
Solid.
tim pool
Joey Martina says, hell yeah, Phil!
That's right.
phil labonte
Hell yeah.
tim pool
Let's see, what is this?
DW says, holy crap, Timcast IRL has visible John Cena on their show.
unidentified
Is that correct?
lydia smith
Is that your title?
phil labonte
I don't know, apparently.
lydia smith
I thought it was like, Hugh Jackman.
Yeah, I can see it.
phil labonte
Hugh Jackman.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Captain says, Tim, any chance you will accept payment on your website with something other than PayPal?
They are very anti-gun.
My friends, the new website actually has... I don't know if it's live yet, because we just got it up.
We're still, you know, fixing dimensions.
It's, you know, you do it as you go.
But we're gonna have Stripe.
And I like Stripe.
I actually... Stripe's really good.
phil labonte
You could send Tim one Bitcoin.
tim pool
No, no, we can't do that.
phil labonte
Oh, you can't?
tim pool
Like, we have a donation thing, but we can't take it for memberships.
phil labonte
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Too bad.
tim pool
It's really complicated.
phil labonte
You could send me one Bitcoin.
tim pool
Well, so we're going to have Stripe.
I don't know if it's live yet, but you'll be able to sign up and not use PayPal.
Granted, most people need to realize Stripe and PayPal have everything.
PayPal has the majority and Stripe has a little bit.
But I'm actually, I'm fairly impressed with Stripe, to be completely honest.
ian crossland
Doesn't PayPal own Stripe?
tim pool
I don't think so.
ian crossland
Let me look that up.
tim pool
But we signed up because a lot of people have said they weren't big fans of PayPal.
So we're like, well, we will add that.
And I'm impressed with the mechanics of Stripe.
All right, let's see what we got here.
Standing While Pooping says, Phil, what the hell happened to Ollie Herbert?
Did his druggy wife kill him?
phil labonte
I don't know that I can say that.
I can say that 44 year old men that have no history of drug use and no history of health issues don't just die.
They don't.
ian crossland
Confirmed, Stripe is not owned by PayPal.
It's the most valuable company in Silicon Valley at $95 billion.
tim pool
Stripe is?
ian crossland
Yeah, owned by Patrick and John Collison.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
It's the most valuable?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's according to this Google search.
tim pool
Wow.
They've got great functionality, I'll say that.
I would like more diversity in terms of, you know, competition and everything, but I'm glad there's more than just PayPal.
ian crossland
The most valuable private company in Silicon Valley.
phil labonte
Oh, so it hasn't gone public yet.
tim pool
Gavin Campbell says she shot a taser three times.
She might have had her gun drawn saying, someone tase so I don't have to pull the trigger.
There's more than one angle.
Also for a super chat.
That's actually a good point.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
She might've been saying taser, taser, taser, because she wanted them to tase.
And then when he was reaching, she shot him and said, holy ass, I just shot him.
And it may have not been an accident.
It may have been, nobody was doing anything and the guy was wanted on a gun charge.
It's tragic.
It's tragedy, man.
This dude, I hate to hear that somebody lost their life simply because they wanted to have a gun, which they're allowed to do.
Constitution said so.
We became a nation that started crapping all over the Constitution.
Minnesota, this is what they do, and now a young man's dead.
And I'll tell you this, they're gonna blame the cops.
Okay.
Some people are more responsible than others, but if you're looking for the guilty party, for the people in this blue state, you need only look in the mirror.
You vote for these laws that criminalize the right to bear arms, and there are so many young black men in these cities, in places like Minneapolis and in Chicago, who are being locked up and having their lives ruined because they want to own a gun, and the Constitution says they can.
phil labonte
There's so much hazard that goes along with circumventing the second amendment.
And it's part of the reason why Joe Biden says things like, no amendment is absolute.
Well, you know, I think that we're pretty absolute about slavery.
Like that is pretty absolutely out of the question.
tim pool
Women's right to vote.
phil labonte
Yeah, women's right to vote.
I'm pretty sure we're absolute about that.
And I'm confident that most people are pretty absolute about the Fourth Amendment when the police are at their house.
When they come to your house and say that I want to come in without a warrant, or when they pull you over and say I'm going to take your money, Without any kind of warrant or anything like that, you'll be pretty absolute about the Fourth Amendment too.
The hazard about circumventing amendments is it makes it acceptable to circumvent other amendments.
tim pool
People need to understand, you live the Fourth Amendment probably more than any other amendment.
This is true.
If we didn't have the Fourth Amendment, cops would randomly break into your home.
Randomly!
They'd come into your neighborhood and they'd kick the door down and be like, sit down and shut up, we're looking for somebody.
And we're checking your house.
We have the Fourth Amendment, which means they have to get a warrant signed by a judge.
So typically they'll knock on your door and you can say, come back with a warrant.
And then they'll go, you know, they might say something like, oh, it'll be a lot easier.
I said what I said.
Come back with a warrant.
You know, you can be polite about it.
Look, no disrespect.
Just please come back with a warrant.
phil labonte
Anything that circumvents existing amendments makes it more likely that they will circumvent other amendments.
tim pool
So let me ask you something, actually.
Red flag laws.
We mostly view them as very bad ideas, right?
What if there was no gun law except red flag law?
So I'll put it this way.
We say that unreasonable search and seizure is not allowed under the fourth.
But the cops can get a signed statement from a judge allowing them to enter your home.
What if there were no laws infringing gun rights, but they could get a signed statement from a judge taking your gun?
Temporarily for a health check or something.
phil labonte
If it's a signed statement from a judge, I haven't put a lot of thought to this, so I could probably be swayed either way because I haven't honestly sat down and really mulled over the ramifications, so it's possible that I'm speaking and my opinion would change.
But if there is a judge that signs the warrant that says that they're going to do that, I think that might be okay.
tim pool
That's how red flag laws work.
phil labonte
There has to be a judge signed?
tim pool
Until the judge signs off on... yeah.
My understanding is, maybe they're different, my understanding is red flag laws is they'll go to the judge and say, here's why we believe this to be true, this person's a threat, and the judge will say, okay, then you can temporarily... I don't like it, because some states will have legal recreational marijuana and the federal government's like, It's a schedule one narcotic.
ian crossland
I'm signing the warrant.
Go take his guns.
phil labonte
Not only that, you know, you can, one of the big things about red flags laws that are bad is the possibility of abuse.
Your family member, you're getting into a fight with your girlfriend or your ex-wife or calls the cops and says, oh, they did this and blah, blah, blah.
So the cops come and take your property.
lydia smith
I actually just today heard the story of a guy who left a bad review for his doctor and called his doctor angry about his pain not being managed after his surgery.
His doctor went to the judge and made it happen.
His guns got taken away.
phil labonte
I mean, they're just so dangerous because especially in society today where who's so quick to call the police on neighbors and stuff, the less The lower trust the society is, the more necessary the state becomes.
And as communities get bigger and you have less interaction with people on a personal level, the less trust you will have in your communities.
And so that means that you will end up with the police being called more frequently.
I don't know that I have a good answer for your question.
tim pool
I was just, it's just a thought, because the fourth amendment, we were like, okay, well, if the judge says so, it's okay, right?
Yeah, well, I mean... But people are like, red flag laws, nah, so... Yeah, I don't know, so... We got a good super chat here from Kurt Crystal, he says, Tim, I searched riots on Bing, and the top result was Minneapolis, and then Kenosha somehow, after that definitions and encyclopedia listings.
All right, Google's out.
We're all going Bing.
ian crossland
That's Microsoft Bing.
unidentified
Bing.
tim pool
Bing it is.
I'm kidding.
DuckDuckGoesButter.
phil labonte
If there's a search engine that produces, when you search Riot that produces Paramore's record, I will start using that search engine.
That's a great record.
I love Paramore.
tim pool
Yeah, you like, I thought Riot was pretty good.
phil labonte
I think it's a great record.
tim pool
What do you think about Paramore lately?
phil labonte
I haven't listened to their stuff recently.
The reason that I found Paramore is I heard Hayley doing an acoustic thing and I was just blown away by her singing.
unidentified
She's phenomenal.
phil labonte
Phenomenal.
tim pool
Absolutely great musician.
Yeah, I was a big fan of Paramore for a while.
The newer stuff is different.
ian crossland
You know, I saw an ad.
Haley was doing ads on Facebook to do like mental health sessions with people.
And I was like, oh, you know, I never really listened to Paramore.
And I started listening to their stuff.
phil labonte
She's phenomenal.
tim pool
Yeah, she's had great music back in the day.
But I guess the style changed for a variety of reasons.
People grow up.
ian crossland
They were kind of like ska almost.
tim pool
What was it like?
Pop punk, you think?
phil labonte
To me, yeah, pop.
It was very Warped Tour.
ian crossland
Right, right.
phil labonte
When I hear Paramore, I think of Warped Tour.
You know, I think of Warped Tour.
tim pool
I mean, it's still heavier than Green Day, right?
ian crossland
And that's like... It's like, no doubt, if you were weighted down by chains, then you broke and the weights were no longer there.
phil labonte
It was better than Green Day.
tim pool
Well, Green Day's stuff was always, like, more bubbly.
At least Paramore had some, like, serious topics that were kind of, like, sometimes dark.
Green Day was very family-friendly, happy, and, you know... I guess Teen Angst is darker than, you know...
unidentified
Whatever.
tim pool
All right, let's read more before we get Phil in trouble for making fun of people or something.
phil labonte
Oh, I'm good at that myself.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
101Dumar says, last time Phil was in studio, you didn't know his music and who he was.
You have an absolute star in studio.
How did you not know Two Weeks among many other great songs he has?
Explain yourself.
I'll be completely honest.
I, of course, know who Phil is, but I've never been a big metal fan or, you know, I don't know.
I don't know every single person in the world.
phil labonte
Genres are a funny thing.
I think that someone can be very well known in one genre, and if people don't pay attention to that genre, it's just another face in the crowd.
And that makes sense to me because there are tons of musicians out there that are huge in genres that I don't listen to, that I'm just like, eh.
I know who the guys in Air Supply are, but not everybody knows who Air Supply is.
I have no idea.
tim pool
Yeah, so like, I mean, I've met throughout my career tons of people and I'm, oh man, I have one funny story.
I'm not going to name the actress, but like I was at a bar back when I worked at Vice and my friend introduced me to this very famous actress who I didn't know.
And I was like, so have you been in anything I would have seen?
And she like named some movies and I was like, oh, I hated that movie.
unidentified
And apparently she's like one of the biggest celebrities and I'm like...
tim pool
You know, look, man, I was like, I didn't mean to say it.
She's like, well, I hate vice.
And I'm like, all right, I shouldn't have said it.
phil labonte
Touche.
tim pool
I wasn't thinking it was a rude comment.
And she's actually in a bunch of really amazing movies I'm a big fan of, but she's great.
phil labonte
And after the show, I want to know who this is.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
I just, yeah.
I've had my share of meeting people who are... Oh, Paul.
You know.
I don't know.
I treat everybody basically the same, I guess.
I got invited to a bunch of, like, several times now, like, Hollywood celebrity parties with, like, famous mainstream TV show people and movie people.
And I'm like, legit, thanks for the offer.
I just got to work, man.
So, like, respect.
It's not really my scene.
It's not really my thing.
I've always... That's why I was talking about all the people doing selfies and, like, trying to be, like, mainstream, tribal.
I'm like, I don't care about that, dude.
Let me go in the woods and like, you know, go to a shooting range or something.
Mind my own business.
phil labonte
I feel that there's a lot of schmoozing that is supposed to go on in the entertainment industry that myself and people in my band have been very, very bad at.
There's a lot of bands that get A lot more attention than their numbers would think they deserve because they're friendly with people in the media or friendly with people in the business side of it.
No one in our band lives in LA.
Well, our guitar player lives in LA now.
for the vast majority of our career.
We were New Englanders, didn't hang out in New York City, we weren't involved in the scene or the business side of it any further than we had to be.
And I think that that that possibly has been something that has that that would have if we were more schmoozy we would have been able to do even more than we've done and i don't want to downplay what we've done i mean not a lot of bands get to be around for 20 years and and we're super fortunate um but i but it does you know there is truth in the idea that you know networking matters and stuff yeah definitely man
tim pool
All right, this is great.
George Hodges says, Tim, if you're looking for Black Lives Matter riots on Google, you probably have to type in peaceful protest.
Haha, and you call yourself an investigative reporter journalist.
lydia smith
Okay, that's fair.
ian crossland
I'm gonna look up protests.
I bet he's right.
tim pool
Jos Mosk says, Steven Crowder's crew found an aggravated robbery charge for the young gentleman that got shot by the cops.
Just something to kind of check out.
All right.
You know, legit.
Uh, and that's why I think it's a different circumstance.
So this woman was fearful.
I mean, look, the guy had a gun charge and she was worried he had a weapon.
I get that.
I'm just like, I'd like to see people have the right to keep in bare arms.
unidentified
Do you know what I mean?
ian crossland
That guy's totally right.
If you type protests in Google, Dante Wright shooting, Minnesota, protests, protests, gather outside.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Amazing.
No way.
It should have been so obvious to me.
I dropped the ball on that one.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Man.
And that was, uh, George Hodges.
phil labonte
You nailed it.
tim pool
I should, I should have, you know, but it's like, it's like a meme.
I didn't think to actually type in peaceful protest.
ian crossland
It's right there.
unidentified
You type in peaceful protest.
tim pool
You're going to get Minnesota.
Was it you type in peace?
ian crossland
I just type protest.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Brilliant.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Come and take them, says Tim.
Myself and two others just finished a feature-length movie with Oscar, Emmy, and Grammy winners and nominees.
We'll commit $10,000 to your production and would like to help.
Please advise on how to discuss discreetly.
Man, that's always tough.
I suppose we need to set up an email for this, but we have spintheufo at Gmail.
I'm able to look for that and then, cool.
Yeah, I want to do short films.
I want to do feature lengths, man.
Granted, it'll be relatively low budget, because... You know what bums me out, man?
I was talking about this thing on one of my videos today.
A lot of these people on Substack, for instance, make like a million bucks from writing their articles, and they get like 10,000 people to pay 10 bucks.
And I'm like, man, why aren't these people doing more?
Like, you know, Glenn Greenwald leaves The Intercept.
He made The Intercept.
Start again, dude.
Make a new site.
Use those resources to bring more people on.
Expand.
Make sure more good journalists start getting able to do that job.
phil labonte
Well, I know I'll do it, but if I had, like, some of the money of these big celebrity dudes and these massive podcasts... You know, you mentioned earlier how... I think that the fact of the matter is, or part of the limitation, is that quality people to work with are not as...
They're not as as you don't come across them as frequently as you'd like to think I suppose You know, it's like if you've got a lot of money to invest that's one thing but you need someone reliable and creative and You know with a good work ethic that you can invest in.
Yeah Yeah, it's probably harder to come across then then then we we wish that it was I've found the best people to work with are the people that truly believe in it, and they don't want the money.
ian crossland
I mean, they'll take the money, and I force them to take the money, but you just got to speak to the soul.
phil labonte
Like arm bar forcing?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll put it behind their back and press until they cry.
Yeah, usually.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more of these.
We got Megan Davis says, My guy and I love your show.
A couple weeks ago, we saw J.P.
Sears' Love at Visani.
I told him that I heard on a previous cast you discussing his coming on the show.
He said he would.
Hope he reaches out.
Keep up the good work.
Would love to have J.P.
lydia smith
Sears.
tim pool
However, people who host shows, it's like, you know, they've got a full time job.
They're hosting their own show.
And it's harder when you have a daily schedule or weekly schedule to stop your production for someone else's show.
But JP Sears is always invited and there's a lot of people who do their own shows we'd love to have on.
But I respect it, man.
It's like, hey, stop doing your show.
Do mine instead.
ian crossland
That's harder than it gets.
Come out for a Sunday, JP, and hang out at the house and then let's do a show Monday.
lydia smith
That's a good idea.
I like that.
tim pool
All right, here we go. Tag N. Bink was here, says, Did you see that Jason Whitlock got locked for a tweet
criticizing the BLM co-founder for buying those houses? Says that he's in Twitter jail
because he won't delete it. Mad respect.
phil labonte
BLM stands for Buy Large Mansion.
tim pool
Buy Large Mansion. She bought one large mansion.
She has three other regular houses.
ian crossland
We didn't even talk about that.
The founder of Black Lives Matter.
phil labonte
The trained Marxist.
ian crossland
A founder bought four houses.
Totaling like two million dollars.
tim pool
Good for her.
ian crossland
Yeah, good for her.
tim pool
It proves they're not Marxists.
Checkmate bigots.
lydia smith
There you go!
tim pool
They can claim to be all they want.
phil labonte
Next thing you know she's gonna Airbnb it and then be a landlord too.
lydia smith
Oh snap!
tim pool
There's a really funny article, I gotta admit, where it's like, they're talking about this trend of TikTokers talking about, they're calling it like rent hacking, where they're like, here's how you can live for free.
And it's a woman, she's like, I bought a building, down payment 5%, and then I rented out the first, second floor, and now I don't pay rent.
It's like, you're a landlord.
phil labonte
That's not.
unidentified
Rent hacking.
phil labonte
That's one of the, that's actually one of the, one of the, uh, Most common ways for people to become, if not wealthy, to save for their retirement and stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, you buy property.
phil labonte
You buy a property and you have people rent it and they pay your mortgage and then you get the, you're not paying the principal and you're also getting the equity in the home.
It's like, that's how you can build a business or at least make money To save for your retirement so that way you're not relying on the, you know, $2,000 check from Social Security or whatever.
tim pool
I'll admit, I think the system is trash.
phil labonte
What system?
tim pool
The system we have in place in general, right?
There's people, I remember when I was buying my first house, it was very difficult.
And they were like, oh, your credit history, or your bank account, or whatever.
And I'm like, my rent costs more than the mortgage, dude.
Like, I can pay for this.
And they were like, well, we don't think so.
That's the stupidest thing ever.
So there are people who can easily afford a 2K mortgage, right?
And they're being told, you can't have this loan, even though your rent is 22.50 in New York City.
That's stupid.
phil labonte
That speaks to the way that our credit system works.
The fact that the credit system doesn't just depend on if you pay your bills on time every month.
It really does depend on if they're making money off of you.
It helps your credit to have some money that stays on a credit card.
You'll get more points if they're actually...
That money that's on the credit card, the bank is making a profit off the interest they charge you.
So it's literally extorting you, or you're literally paying to have a good credit history.
It's not just about if you're paying your bills on time and stuff.
tim pool
Credit system is whack.
phil labonte
It is, it really is.
So whack.
It really is.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Chris Rose, 1986, says, I live in Georgia and no one is wearing masks.
They mask the kids.
They make the kids wear masks going to school and like Walmart and government buildings.
The government always F things up and they will F up the chip.
So that is a hard pass.
And then we got, uh, Big Rig says, what happens if you need an MRI while having these microchips?
Oops.
unidentified
MRI will rip it out of your flesh, I suppose.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
Lance A says, long time follower.
I discovered a new crypto called Elongate.
ian crossland
Elongate?
lydia smith
That doesn't sound right.
tim pool
Let's see, a DeFi charity token that has donated 825K within a week.
It's partnering with Elon Musk brother soon too.
Going to be the best real world crypto result.
Growing fast.
Check it out.
Timcast crew.
Love you guys.
phil labonte
Shill your coin, homie.
Shill your coin.
tim pool
Elon tweeted, if there's ever a scandal about me, I hope it's called Elongate.
And then I tweeted, tax the rich and give all the money to Elon.
phil labonte
I still love him.
tim pool
Give it all.
Oh, what's this?
Midnight Smoker says, Jimmy Dore did an interview on the AOC California Highway Patrol incident a few days ago.
Interesting.
phil labonte
Jimmy's legit.
Mad props.
tim pool
Mad respect for Jimmy.
phil labonte
I tweeted out that link to the guy that was... So it was legit.
lydia smith
Left-wing podcaster.
tim pool
Left-wing podcaster, criticizer?
Who was it?
lydia smith
Uh, I don't know his, I don't recognize the name right.
He made like light comments about her support of Palestine, I think?
phil labonte
Yeah.
lydia smith
Cops at his door.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Straight up.
No joke.
tim pool
AOC is a bad person.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
I called her evil.
phil labonte
She's Donald Trump, just with boobies.
tim pool
She's worse than Trump.
Yeah, I think she's worse.
I think Trump actually had some convictions.
I don't think she does.
phil labonte
Yeah, maybe.
She might have until she got to Washington and was making six figures.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
When it was like, listen, you play ball or you're out.
She went, okay, I'll play ball.
phil labonte
I'd rather look at her than Trump, though.
lydia smith
I mean, yeah, that's fair.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
Trump, those burgeoning muscles, that glorious golden face.
phil labonte
I'll look at a Ben Garrison cartoon of Trump before I look at Trump.
tim pool
What is that?
phil labonte
Hilarious.
tim pool
Well, it's funny because the left would draw Trump as this hunched over, morbidly obese with tiny hands.
And Ben Garrison's him's upright, six foot, you know, whatever.
It's super tall and glowing.
phil labonte
When the left draws Trump, it's essentially Oswald Copperpot from Batman 2, but without the pointy nose and with a blonde hair.
That's the way the left sees Donald Trump.
lydia smith
Pretty much, yeah.
phil labonte
Oswald Copperpot.
tim pool
Cobblepot.
phil labonte
Cobblepot.
tim pool
That's the penguin.
Alright, let's see.
Edge of the South says sometimes it's best to keep computers completely offline, especially ones that contain sensitive info or control processes that could cause death or bodily harm if hacked.
If the computer is your brain, you definitely should keep it offline.
Gotta air gap that brain.
phil labonte
I mean, fair enough, but... no.
tim pool
What if you get a brain virus?
phil labonte
As in a computer virus in your brain?
Yeah.
Well, again, I'm only thinking about it for an interface.
So it's not like it's... It's actually going into your brain to like put data in?
Yeah.
You know, it's literally, it's just the... If I understand the concept correctly, they would simply use the electrodes.
So output only, basically.
So it's not like I'm like, I'm not seeing the information on my eye.
It would just literally be, I would be able to look at my screen or my phone and output it.
ian crossland
I guess you could hack the output.
So when you think go left, it goes right.
That might happen.
Why would it go the other direction if someone wanted like a specific outcome?
phil labonte
Well, then it's just the most annoying part.
It's just this irritating thing.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
And then it's like, I suppose, like if they did do that, you're just like, son of a bitch, and you gotta think opposite.
ian crossland
Yeah, or like, no matter what you think, it spells out the same thing over and over again.
phil labonte
It's like bad autocorrect.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Sean Casey FPV says, first time super chat.
I've been watching daily for the past, for the last six months.
Love your work.
I will sub an exclusive membership if you and Phil hold a quick jam session in your exclusive hour.
We don't do a full exclusive hour, but if you ever want to jam, man, we could jam.
I mean, you're the professional career musician, so you probably got constraints.
phil labonte
I mean, I prefer to rehearse before performing, so it'd be something that we'd have to do.
I'd come down and hang out and do it.
tim pool
Well, you should do it, man.
I don't know, if you guys ever want to come and jam, we want to do Friday Night Jams again.
phil labonte
That'd be sick.
tim pool
Yeah, we're coming up with a plan so that now that it's nicer out, we're going to camera up the skate park outside so that we can actually have like a stage set up.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then we can be like Friday Night, be like, all right, we're switching to the garage cam, boom, hit the button, and then it's in the garage, you know?
ian crossland
Sick.
tim pool
All right, let's see, Joshua Rusinski.
Alright.
Fellow former US Marine here, Semper Fi Phil, Tim I've been following you for over a year
now you guys put together great content most importantly.
Happy anniversary to my amazing girlfriend Angie.
Love you.
ian crossland
Josh.
tim pool
Dad teaches, and words to my son says, can Smeagol say their pronouns?
Bunself wants it.
phil labonte
Bunself wants it!
You have a very good Smeagol.
Yeah.
It's a really good impression.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, man.
I hear, like, everyone always says I do a good impersonation of no matter who I'm doing it of.
phil labonte
That one is good.
tim pool
Who was it who was like, man, your Michael Moore was so good.
lydia smith
Yeah, I was like, on point with it.
I don't remember who said that.
unidentified
It wasn't Malice.
tim pool
I don't even remember how I did the... I was doing a Michael Moore.
I was actually just quoting Michael Moore and then turned it into an impact.
ian crossland
Jack Murphy, maybe?
Yeah, somebody that was sitting here.
tim pool
Yeah, I can do some Eagle.
ian crossland
Yeah, your Michael Moore is awesome.
tim pool
I don't even remember how I did it.
ian crossland
You gotta do a Freedom Tunes one.
You gotta do Michael Moore.
tim pool
If I actually practiced, I could probably on call, like very easily do a lot of impersonations.
But usually it's like when I'm in the flow and talking and then I'm like, I want to reference something, I'll do it.
Like I was reading that when they mentioned Smeagol, I kind of just like... I think Smeagol is actually really easy.
It's like one of the easiest impersonations to do.
lydia smith
I can almost do it, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Just talk like this!
lydia smith
And then you gotta add a little... It's like Stitch from Lilo and Stitch.
tim pool
It's weird.
I don't know.
You just like kind of close your throat while you're talking.
phil labonte
I didn't know that.
I don't recall Stitch talking, but I mean, I think I've seen Lilo and Stitch once.
tim pool
Wasn't he just like... No, he talked.
lydia smith
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah.
He sounded like Gollum.
tim pool
Kevin Pilgrim says so sick. You got Phil on and taking me right back to middle school. Love Phil and all that remains
Sick Jay rich says tonight's topics are display of a left's
March to madness They turn up the heat on COVID, race, gender, etc.
What you laugh about today becomes policy tomorrow.
Where do you all draw the line?
Or will you stay in the pot until you're slowly cooked?
Uh, we're in the middle of nowhere.
Like in the mountains.
phil labonte
I mean, my house in New Hampshire is in the, you know, it's back in the woods.
I've got 48 acres of property and my house is in the back of the lot.
It's not on the road.
You don't accidentally onto my property.
And I got an apartment in Texas that I've been staying in that I'll be there for a while in case of Article 5.
ian crossland
I will draw the line with pronouns.
If you ask me to call you a pronoun, I might.
And that's up to me because I have the right to free speech.
lydia smith
That's a good point.
tim pool
Ives D says Semper Fi Phil.
Tim, when will we start having barbecues and hangouts at the Gorilla Ranch, aka your house?
Well, we're calling it Cast Castle passively, but maybe Gorilla Ranch is better.
phil labonte
Gorilla Ranch.
unidentified
What has Alex Jones done to my house?
phil labonte
Alex Jones has done nothing wrong.
Isn't it scary?
Isn't it scary how a lot of the things that Alex Jones, we thought were silly, crazy Alex Jones rants are like, wait a minute.
Why, why, why are you making Alex Jones correct?
Stop doing that.
That's making me, making me feel uncomfortable.
tim pool
When Joe Rogan was like, dude, we owe that guy an apology.
He was talking about the Epstein stuff.
ian crossland
His dad was like super secret program guy.
So he would, he grew up at the kitchen table hearing like, you know, Navy secrets and stuff.
phil labonte
I mean, stop making Alex Jones write.
Please, world.
tim pool
All right, we'll do a couple more because we went a little bit over.
But we have Eraserhead says, Phil, please, please, please introduce Tim to Andrew Wilko.
I've listened to your interviews on the Wilko majority for years, and I would love to hear Tim have a conversation with him.
Love you, based Beanie Bros.
I'm not familiar with who that is.
phil labonte
Andrew does a show on XM Patriot.
He's a friend.
And he's a conservative, libertarian-minded conservative.
He's definitely more conservative than I am.
I mean, I'm very, very libertarian.
I'm open borders libertarian, generally, if we can end the...
If we can end the welfare state, then I would be down with open borders.
Okay.
And Andrew's more conservative than I am, but yeah, he's a great guy.
He's really, really nice.
We get along.
He's into metal.
He comes out to shows and we play at Starland Ballroom and stuff like that.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
phil labonte
He's a good dude.
tim pool
Zeke Weiss says, Phil, my sister Rae used to work merch for you guys.
She was devastated when she found out about Ali's death.
She saw him and the rest of you as good friends.
She is doing fine.
Hope the same for the band.
phil labonte
I hope she's doing well.
And we were all pretty devastated when we found out about Ali, so.
tim pool
So we'll just do one more here.
Matthew Conley says, sorry Phil, I'm more of a disturbed guy with music.
Even though their lead singer is Libertarian, you're the one spreading their message outside their music.
phil labonte
That's right.
I mean, it's probably not exactly a great idea because people that strongly disagree tend to have a strong reaction.
And the media, the metal media, is like the rest of the media.
Really?
Oh yeah.
Very, very.
Some of the most influential blogs are dudes with sickles and hammers in their names.
Woke metal.
tim pool
It seems so weird to me.
phil labonte
It is weird.
Yeah, so, I take a lot of heat in the metal blogs because of it, because of my, you know, I am a principled libertarian that, generally a principled libertarian that is not afraid to say, look, people should be free, the government's too big, dropping bombs on poor people in other countries is bad.
And for some reason, I thought that these wouldn't be all that controversial of takes, but apparently they are, you know?
tim pool
It's weird, weird times, man.
It is.
And don't forget to add Second Amendment.
unidentified
Yeah, you know, I mean, Moulin LeVe, you know, right on my arm, so... Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for hanging out.
tim pool
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We're going to have a members-only exclusive episode coming up, maybe a little bit after 11 now, because we've gone a little bit over.
But we'll be talking about some stuff about Article 5, Convention of States, what that means, and I think it'll get interesting.
Very interesting.
So again, subscribe, hit the notification bell, hit that like button.
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phil labonte
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Basically anywhere, PhilThatRemains.
That's me.
ian crossland
Yeah, you guys can follow me at IanCrossland.net, at Ian Crossland on pretty much every social media platform that there is.
And Phil, awesome as always.
phil labonte
Cheers.
lydia smith
And as for me, I am SourPatchLids on Twitter.
And today I received the greatest news of my life, and that is that in just a short while, I will have more followers than SourPatchKids has on Twitter.
unidentified
I know!
lydia smith
I was really excited.
So please go and follow me at SourPatchLids on Twitter.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com with an exclusive members-only segment with Phil.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you all there.
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