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Timcast IRL - Media Manipulates George Floyd Narrative As Chauvin Trial Gets HEATED w/FreedomToons
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tim pool
you Ladies and gentlemen, today is April 5th, 2021, also known
as 4-5, which will from this day forth be known as Trump Day in
honor of the 45th president.
unidentified
Fantastic.
Good.
Perfect.
seamus coughlin
I deserve my own day.
unidentified
And we're going to have to make 4-7 about me as well, because I am running in 2024.
I'll have two holidays.
tim pool
That de facto means...
April 6th will be Biden Day.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
That's going to be the best day of the year.
tim pool
Someone tweeted at me, they were like, in order for it to be fair, then tomorrow has to be Biden Day.
And I'm like, okay.
seamus coughlin
I'll celebrate Biden Day, dude.
Just speak in gibberish.
Say sentences that don't mean anything.
tim pool
Yeah, fall down the stairs and struggle to speak.
unidentified
It'll be like a thing.
Oh my goodness.
seamus coughlin
Someone's sad at this point.
I kind of feel bad making fun of them.
tim pool
In like a thousand years, people will put on goofy hats and then jump down the stairs while making strange noises and not understand the tradition.
seamus coughlin
The tradition of Biden Day.
tim pool
Biden Day.
Ladies and gentlemen!
We had news, and then we started making jokes, and then we all forgot what was going on.
Unbelievable.
No, we have some interesting news.
I've been watching the Chauvin trial, and there's something interesting that I've noticed, because I'm watching this trial, and it's definitely that there's one livestream playing, but two different versions of reality.
I guess depending on your bias.
And when I'm watching this trial, I'm very interested in the defense and the prosecution.
I gotta say, the prosecution got a bunch of very excellent points across today about Chauvin.
Apparently, he never received training, where we've seen this photo of the guy with the knee on his neck.
Oh, he wasn't trained in that.
So they made some interesting points, but there's always a counter.
Now, where it gets really interesting is how the media incessantly just chooses to frame it as though Derek Chauvin is losing, and I don't believe that's the case.
I think, based on what we've seen so far, acquittal is likely.
But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
I don't know what the jury is thinking.
And I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff the jury is, as many of you are.
I could be entirely wrong, and I think it's very, very middle of the road.
It's 50-50.
It could go either way.
I'm kind of leaning towards acquittal because a lot of stuff that's come out.
For instance, the doctor today who testified said that George Floyd died of hypoxia.
And then even said, when asked, that fentanyl, the main reason it's dangerous is because it depresses your respiratory system, which causes hypoxia.
I thought that was a very excellent point by the defense.
And then the counter, I guess, is just, well, it could have been choking, I suppose.
But it doesn't seem like the physical evidence to Floyd's body backs that up.
We'll get into all this stuff.
What's fascinating is how the media changes the headlines of their stories to reflect an anti-Chauvin narrative, setting it up that he's going to lose and will be convicted.
And then when people keep seeing the news saying like, oh, defense says this, and they testify this, and you keep hearing how awful it is, and you keep hearing how it should be Chauvin going to jail, and they omit the key evidence that defends him, Well then, what do you think people are gonna do when he gets acquitted?
If he does, their expectations will be set very high.
They'll say something like, I don't understand.
I read all the news.
He should have been convicted based on the headlines I saw.
And then riots will happen.
So we're gonna talk about that.
We got a couple other stories too.
Clarence Thomas issues this massive opinion, opening the door to potentially sue or regulate Big Tech and Section 230.
So we're gonna get into this.
And as most of you probably realized already, because for a moment someone was speaking like Trump, Seamus from Freedom Tunes is here.
seamus coughlin
I'm back.
It is fantastic to be back here.
Thank you for having me on, Tim.
ian crossland
I'm glad you're here, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
What's that?
tim pool
Who are you?
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, that's a good question.
So my name's Seamus Goglin.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
I make educational cartoons and political satire, mostly political satire, on the Freedom Tunes channel these days.
So go check that out if you'd like.
We just released a pretty funny video about Joe Biden.
We're going to be releasing another cartoon Thursday.
We release a video once a week.
So go over there and enjoy him.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
You're also very learned in history, which is always refreshing to have you on.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Chat about the past.
seamus coughlin
I appreciate that.
Are you making fun of the way Midwesterners sound?
No, no, I'm Midwesterner too.
Is this from the past?
You should take offense to us as well because we're from the same... Chicago.
Yeah, exactly.
From the past over there.
tim pool
Nobody says Chicago.
It's like a weird stereotype for people who don't live there.
seamus coughlin
It's like Chicago.
No, that's the weird thing too.
Yeah, my dad's born and raised on the South Side, and he, like, pronounces the A less than I do when he says Chicago.
He says, like, Chicago, which is not exactly like that.
Like, I can't even do it.
I don't know.
The A, it's just an offensive stereotype, and that's not actually how people from the Chicago area sound.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Okay.
I apologize.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
It's extremely offensive.
ian crossland
Hey, everyone.
I am Ian Crossland.
It is true.
And you can always follow me at iancrossland.net, where I do, well, I don't know.
tim pool
I just do weird stuff.
No, he does!
ian crossland
I try and unify the planet.
seamus coughlin
Ian, yeah, when Tim asked who Ian was, he's like, wait a minute.
I don't.
ian crossland
I have a broad scheme.
tim pool
Ian's not actually here.
He's an astral projection.
We had a dude who just joined the team, and he came here several times, but Ian was never around.
He was like, I'm convinced that Ian's not real.
I was like, well, that's the truth.
Ian's an astral projection.
seamus coughlin
He's a hologram.
tim pool
He's not really He's on the show.
He's not a real person.
ian crossland
It's a vibrating multitude of spheres.
That's about all I can say.
tim pool
All right.
Great intro.
Lydia's also here.
lydia smith
What about Lydia?
I do eventually get to myself once you guys are finished.
I was going to say that our new employee has been having a lot of fun saying that we are all just figments of Ian's imagination.
seamus coughlin
I like this guy.
tim pool
There's no studio, it's just like a shack in the woods with Ian in it.
And he imagines the studio and it just forms around him.
That would be an interesting movie, actually.
Anyway, my friends, we're supposed to be serious, but it's just so hard these days.
It's probably good that we're joking around a bit because we're going to get real serious with this upcoming news and the consequences for it.
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Julie Borowski was on Friday, but we did this great... Oh, you had Julianne?
Yeah, she's awesome.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, she's great.
ian crossland
It was a really good show.
tim pool
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seamus coughlin
You're getting kind of greedy, man.
tim pool
I have three already.
We need four.
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I need one.
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Are you gonna just split it among everyone here?
tim pool
They'll issue one for everybody on the show.
seamus coughlin
Really?
tim pool
No joke.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
seamus coughlin
So just like make me a host right before they send it.
tim pool
You should make a bunch of people official hosts.
I mean I just tell them like here are the people and it costs money.
seamus coughlin
There's like 12 hosts and that they cost them even making so much money for their platform, Tim, even when they demonetize you.
tim pool
You get one golden plaque for free and they have to pay for the rest but they'll issue one for team members.
seamus coughlin
And it is real gold, right?
tim pool
Absolutely.
seamus coughlin
It's so heavy.
tim pool
Solid gold, you know.
seamus coughlin
The shipping cost is where they get you, really.
ian crossland
You might be if you look on IMDB.
You're probably listed as a producer or something.
This show's on IMDB.
I think everyone goes on, all the guests and everything.
seamus coughlin
Beautiful.
tim pool
I don't know who manages that stuff.
seamus coughlin
Me neither.
tim pool
How about we talk about the news, my friends?
sure i mean if you want if that's what you want to do i thought we could talk about our days but i was traveling most of the day i'm a little tired but no that's my feelings don't matter let's talk about they don't you know it matters facts earlier media earlier today hey earlier today my friends So I was listening to the trial live, and there was this really powerful point between the defense and the ER doctor who was treating George Floyd, trying to save his life.
The defense said, you know, long story short, like, what happened?
And they're giving really in-depth detail.
Essentially, the ER doctor says that George Floyd died due to hypoxia, which is, can you give us the medical breakdown of what that means?
lydia smith
Pretty straightforward.
Hypoxia is just low oxygen.
tim pool
Hypo is low and oxy is an oxygen.
There you go.
And he went on to say that there was a high concentration of carbon dioxide in the blood.
Now, I think on the surface, the average person hears, well, he was suffocated, right?
The knee was on his neck.
Well, what the defense basically said was, can fentanyl cause hypoxia or a high concentration of carbon dioxide in the blood?
And the doctor said, yes.
Can methamphetamine?
The doctor said, yes.
And the defense then said, Is one of the reasons that there is such a warning about fentanyl is that it depresses the respiratory system.
And this is what shocked me.
The doctor goes, it's the reason.
And I went, whoa, from the doctor.
He didn't just volunteer up.
He didn't just say yes or no.
He volunteered up like, no, that's legit.
Exactly why fentanyl is bad.
It causes hypoxia.
Interesting.
Now, it seems like the doctor still went on to say he thinks that it was, you know, he had no reason to believe it was a drug overdose.
In which case, the doctor still, you know, there's a cross-examination.
The prosecution comes in and says, but isn't it possible that having your knee on someone's neck could result in hypoxia, which causes the heart to stop?
And the doctor said yes.
I still think it's very, very fascinating.
The doctor said it's the reason fentanyl is so dangerous.
And so I went, whoa!
I was like, we should definitely talk about this.
So I Google-searched it, right?
I Google-searched, you know, defense Chauvin hypoxia, and I see this.
Check this out.
Look at this Google search.
You can see I searched for Dr. Chauvin hypoxia.
Five hours ago, ABC News ER doc theorizes lack of oxygen stopped Floyd's heart.
You can see in these, you know, the text here that, you know, the questions whether or not some drugs can cause hypoxia.
You can see right here as well.
Baltimore Sun, Derek Chauvin trial, ER doctor testifies.
You scroll down.
There's even more.
George Floyd's heart likely stopped hypoxia.
What do you think happens if I click this story?
unidentified
All right, let's open up ABC.
tim pool
Police.
Let me turn this off.
The headline's different.
Kneeling on Floyd's neck violated policy.
Well, that's not what I Google searched.
I didn't search for that headline.
I wanted to know about the hypoxia.
seamus coughlin
This is why you use DuckDuckGo.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
Let's go to the Baltimore Sun.
Derek Chauvin trial.
ER doctor testifies.
All right, well, let's learn about the ER doctor so I can pull up the source and show everybody.
Derek Chauvin trial.
Kneeling on George Floyd's neck violated our policy.
Well, that's not what I Google-searched.
So what's happening is that the Associated Press changed the headline in all their articles after they were already published.
So for me, who's trying to search for this to show everybody what's going on, we're getting a different story which changes the framing.
Think about it.
If the doctor said hypoxia caused this and fentanyl, it's like the main reason fentanyl is dangerous is that it can lead to hypoxia.
And then I'm like, I want to show that to people because it's a very important point for the defense.
And then all of the headlines change to say, kneeling on the neck violated policy.
Wow.
Well, all of a sudden now, the articles that I'm pulling up and would likely show someone, imagine this.
Imagine I had that story.
Right when I saw the doctor say this, I went, whoa!
And I shared that story on Facebook or Twitter.
Wow.
Then, along comes, you know, my mom or my dad or my brother, and they're like, what's this that Tim shared?
And they click it, and instead of getting the story where I'm like, this is important, they get a different story.
Joven Violent Policy.
I did not share that story.
So here I am.
We're trying to do this show.
And I was like, we definitely got to talk about that.
That's a very interesting point.
It's not a guarantee that he's, you know, Chauvin will be acquitted because of this.
I just thought it was interesting to bring up and to also bring up that very well, like putting a knee on someone's neck could result in hypoxia.
The reason why I think this is important though, is it offers a counterpoint to the narrative we've all already heard.
When I try to pull up the articles, we get something entirely different.
That's creepy manipulation, stealth editing that shapes the narrative.
And here's my fear.
When I'm reading all this news, I see a lot of really, really important points in the defense.
Notably that there's training materials they've highlighted, a PowerPoint showing a cop kneeling on someone's neck.
This stuff many people have seen.
In the trial, there was an argument between the defense and the judge as to whether or not this actually mattered because Chauvin did not undergo that specific training.
The argument from the defense was, if the cops are all, you know, doing this and saying this is an updated policy, then it makes sense that this might, you know, exist.
These things don't appear.
Like, the points from the defense about hypoxia, about drug use, about, you know, what we talked about the other day, what was it?
I can't remember all the details.
The media always headlines with, Chauvin guilty, right?
So now we have this.
We have the police chief testified that Chauvin violated policy.
But there's another really crazy story, and the media frames it.
Check this out, from Forbes.
Derek Chauvin defense shows video clip to suggest knelt on George Floyd's shoulder.
Not his neck.
That's right.
And when the police chief was shown the video, get this, the police chief was shown the video, and the defense said, based on this alternate camera angle from a body camera, would you say that Chauvin, it appeared he was kneeling on Floyd's shoulder?
The police chief said, yes.
Okay. Shouldn't these things be like, look, we all know that the narrative has been Chauvin
kneeled on Floyd's neck. It's it's you know, it's bad and he's a bad cop. He was fired for it.
When evidence comes out that suggests the official narrative may be wrong.
Shouldn't that be the highlight for a lot of reasons?
ian crossland
Yeah. Can humans overcome cognitive dissonance is a big question.
And that's, I think, really, it's our duty to do that.
When we're presented with information that violates what we thought was real, we really have to let go of what we used to think was real and look at the new information.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, regardless of how you feel about this case, I haven't looked into it very deeply.
I haven't done much research on it, so I can't comment one way or the other.
But regardless, it's very frightening, though unsurprising, that big tech and these media companies would go through and try to suppress information that promotes a narrative that they're not comfortable with.
tim pool
Well, here's the creepy thing.
I look at the AP.
So all these headlines from all these outlets, it's the same article.
It's the Associated Press, and they're just republishing the AP.
I don't think there's anything nefarious, necessarily.
I think there's an inherent bias with a lot of these companies.
Interesting.
Okay, fair enough.
okay more information has come out let's change the headline interesting they
initially did run the headline ER doctor suggests hypoxia fentanyl can cause this
but then they changed the headline okay which fundamentally changes the framing
of the story when people are sharing it right so here's what's crazy though
Forbes I find it particularly interesting they say suggests the
officer nothing a shoulder What's funny about suggest is they straight up said he did.
And the police chief said yes.
Look what they say, top line.
With limited evidence put forward so far to bolster his case, that's an insane thing to write.
Derek Chauvin's lead defense attorney, Eric Nelson, on Monday sought to cast doubt for jurors over one of the most prominent details of George Floyd's death, the length of time the officer had his knee on the 46-year-old black man's neck.
Interestingly, let me go down.
Nelson highlighted that while it appeared Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck in the video recorded by Fraser, the knee appeared to be on Floyd's shoulder blade during the same period in the body camera footage.
Asking Arradondo, would you agree that from the perspective of Officer Kong's body camera, it appeared Officer Chauvin's knee was more on Mr. Floyd's shoulder blade?
Yes, Arradondo responded.
Though the prosecution, which took the sand immediately after, was quick to highlight that this was one specific moment at a time when the ambulance had already arrived, and very shortly before they loaded Mr. Floyd onto the gurney.
We are not looking for definitive proof of innocence.
We are looking for reasonable doubt.
The burden is on the state.
They need to prove he did it, he had the intent.
If there is video footage that suggests we may be looking at the perspective wrong, and people may have incorrectly assumed that he was on the neck, that's very important.
And the police chief said yes upon looking at the body camera footage.
This is the police chief that fired these cops.
Now, what's fascinating is Forbes framing, once again, is already anti-Chauvin.
They've already made up their mind.
He's guilty, and this is just a distraction to suggest otherwise.
We all saw it.
We already saw The Nation, and who was it?
Chelsea Handler?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They were like, we shouldn't even have a trial.
seamus coughlin
Oh, we can have trials.
tim pool
You see that?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, because the media told us what happened, so why would we need to look into it any further than that?
tim pool
The argument is that, well, there's video.
We saw it happen.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's fair, but that doesn't mean you don't need a trial.
Like, what happens if there's no trial?
How is the person punished?
Is it not by the justice system?
tim pool
I mean, they're saying no trial exactly why.
It highlights the exact reason why we have trials.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
tim pool
If video comes out that's shaky and it's someone yelling and you see a guy with a knee on a neck, there's so much we need to know to prove or convict someone of murder.
Murder, too, requires intent.
Murder 2 and 3 require intent.
It's manslaughter that doesn't.
It's just negligence.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So, he has his knee on his neck?
Okay, well now there's even doubt as to whether he really had his knee on his neck.
Because alternate body camera footage that we didn't see before shows, according to the police chief, Yeah, I have no idea about any of that.
seamus coughlin
It's been so long.
I remember seeing the video.
It looked very much like he was on his neck, but also that I saw this months ago, and I can't recall all of it.
ian crossland
And it's possible he had it on his neck, and then he took it off his neck and put it on his shoulder.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But that changes the whole narrative then.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Changes the whole narrative.
seamus coughlin
It could still be manslaughter though, I think is his point.
tim pool
I'm not even convinced it's gonna be manslaughter.
I mean, it very well could be.
There's definitely important points to bring up.
Like, they are saying that he violated policy.
That's true, okay?
Kneeling on the neck, violated policy, Minneapolis Police Chief testifies.
It's certainly not part of our ethics that he did get fired for it.
So, while the prosecution has the administration basically throwing Chauvin under the bus, like, dude did it, there's still good points from the defense.
And I gotta say, reasonable doubt.
We're not looking for 100% proof of innocence.
We're looking at maybe Floyd died from fentanyl.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
No, that's true.
All they really need to do is establish a reasonable doubt and then he walks.
tim pool
That's why I think he'll be acquitted.
Not that they've proven Floyd died of hypoxia.
But that the doctor literally said, that's the reason fentanyl is so dangerous.
ian crossland
Prince died from fentanyl overdose.
No physical trauma.
He just laid there and fell asleep and died.
lydia smith
Yeah.
So what happens with hypoxia is that your breathing slows so much.
I remember monitoring people who had been on drugs and their respirations would get down to like six a minute, which is insane.
You're supposed to be like 16 to 18 per minute.
Cause you're just like, you're basically comatose.
When you're on that much medicine, there's just, you're completely unaware of anything and you're not, your body's not even able to keep you.
ian crossland
I would say, I don't know the specifics about Prince, he might have been drunk too.
I mean, that, I'm sure that combo is a killer.
tim pool
Well, I think, you know, I went over a lot of the evidence.
Like, it was, normally my main segment videos are like a half hour.
This one went 35 minutes.
5 minutes longer than normal.
Because I went through the charges, second, third degree, and I don't know if you saw this, Seamus, that there was another guy in the vehicle with George Floyd.
This guy's name is Maurice Lester Hall.
Did you hear about this guy?
seamus coughlin
No.
Like I said, this is part of why I'm reluctant to comment.
I know nothing about this case.
tim pool
Well, check this out.
Let me tell you, Seamus.
So this guy, according to George Floyd's girlfriend, was selling drugs to George Floyd and her.
He didn't really hang out with them all that often.
And there they were together in the vehicle.
From that, it kind of sounds like he's just their dealer.
This dude, Maurice Lester Hall, was supposed to testify for the state as one of their key witnesses.
And right before, a day before he files like an emergency motion, he's pleading the fifth and refusing to testify.
You know why I think that happened?
seamus coughlin
Why?
tim pool
The judge put murder three back on the table.
Murder three in Minnesota states that if you sell someone a substance and they take it and die, you are guilty of murder.
Interesting.
So I'm wondering if that... Look, that alone... I don't know if the jury can take into account the fact that a dude bailed and pleaded the fifth.
ian crossland
I don't think it's fair to... You're not supposed to, right?
tim pool
Well, I wouldn't.
I would be like, dude, plead to the fifth, I'm not going to make assumptions about it.
Now, externally, from a media standpoint, it certainly feels like the dude got implicated and then was like, yo, I'm out.
Reasonable doubt, man.
ian crossland
Floyd said he was hooping in the video, if you listen to it, which means that you, the slang term is that you... Basketball.
Yeah, you play basketball.
No, it means that you put drugs inside your rectum.
tim pool
Your attempt to smuggle them.
seamus coughlin
Your mouth.
lydia smith
Yes, yes.
ian crossland
And so maybe he did that.
And that's why he overdosed.
tim pool
Well, this is what's interesting.
It was one of the questions asked by the defense.
And that is kind of gross.
But the defense asked the doctor if he was familiar with people,
you know, who've been who've been in in that in that sense.
And I don't think that kind of questioning actually ended up going anywhere.
He like diverted off it right away.
But I have to say, the judge said this in September about Floyd
that it looked like he had something in his mouth.
There's video that shows it, and many people have speculated that he was in the middle of a drug deal.
The cops walked up, so he threw it in his mouth and swallowed it.
And then he said he was hooping.
ian crossland
And a lot of times when people will be hooping, they'll put it in a plastic baggie and then put it in their butt or something for, like, to transport it, you know.
But I think also you could just put it in your mouth and swallow it without a bag, and that's also considered hooping.
tim pool
But then you're just taking the drug.
ian crossland
I know.
lydia smith
That's weird, yeah.
tim pool
Reasonable doubt, man.
That's all it takes.
I don't know, I look at the media and I'm trying to better understand the story, but it's like every time I pull up a story, the headline is always, like, bad for Chauvin.
But there's certainly, like, it's almost like you'd imagine the defense was doing nothing.
Just literally sitting there getting yelled at the whole time.
Because the headlines are always anti-Chauvin.
ian crossland
This one, was it a Forbes article you were just reading?
Says he's a black man.
They're very specific, they want to make sure you know.
seamus coughlin
And also, I mean, the footage is really, really bad for Chauvin too.
ian crossland
Why?
seamus coughlin
With him kneeling on his neck, I mean, there's a reason the entire country was immediately against him.
They saw it, like, even conservative people were watching, they're like, alright, that's way too far.
tim pool
But there's a PowerPoint presentation brought up by the defense showing the police were trained to do that.
And they called it the recovery position, and some have pointed out the reason why you move your foot off of their back is because if your weight is in their back, then their chest can't decompress and decompress.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
So they'll asphyxiate.
ian crossland
So how is it that there's a PowerPoint presentation that says they're trained to, but then the other guy says he violated training?
tim pool
So that was the interesting thing in the line of questioning, where the judge was basically like, I don't know exactly what the ruling was, but it was an argument over admissibility for the PowerPoint presentation, where he was like, Chauvin wasn't in the academy at the time this was being presented.
And the defense was like, if they update their training policies, it's reasonable to suggest that Chauvin had heard this, or was told this, or in some way, this is part of what the police do.
And it was because an officer said, no one is trained to do that, that never happens.
And this is really fascinating to me, that the judge wouldn't allow it, because, by all means, say, Chauvin was never trained this.
That's an important point, and it's good for the prosecution.
Absolutely.
If Chauvin was wrong, lock him up, throw away the key.
But if someone goes on the stand and says, this violated policy, and he wasn't supposed to do this.
That's what they say.
The headline says, Derek Chauvin violated policy by doing this.
Police Academy's got a photo of someone doing it!
So how is it they could show a cop doing exactly that and say it violates policy if they're showing it to people?
seamus coughlin
So were they showing this to people before or after Chauvin was trained?
Before.
So before.
So maybe it's something that the police force did away with by the time that Chauvin had done it.
tim pool
It was a couple years before, and perhaps.
But interestingly, I think the argument was that the cop said, like, no one has ever been trained to do something to that effect.
Like, the defense isn't making things like, okay, I don't want to say that.
Everybody is giving their point of view because they're trying to win a case.
My issue is that when you watch this, if you're a reasonable person, you're like, I understand their point.
I certainly understand Chauvin may have violated policy enacted with neglect, which could be manslaughter, certainly not murder.
But the defense is giving a defense, and it's reasonable doubt.
Like, I'm sorry, man.
Manslaughter is probably, in my opinion, the only thing that could potentially get him on.
And I'm not even sure that's gonna happen.
Because that's negligence.
And if they convince the jury that nine minutes is excessive, eight minutes, forty-six seconds, then definitely.
seamus coughlin
And I think if he does get charged with manslaughter, a lot of people will be upset that he wasn't charged with more than that.
tim pool
That's why I think the problem is if the media keeps taking the headlines where it's like, Chauvin violated policy, or Chauvin did this, Chauvin did that, defense says this, it's always framing it as though you expect him to lose.
ian crossland
That's very astute.
They're grooming people to freak if he gets let off.
tim pool
I don't think it's intentional.
I think it's just that they think people are more likely to click on the story because the story is bad for Chauvin and people don't like the guy.
We all have our bias, because we all saw the video.
We all made our judgments.
Everybody, even conservatives, were mad.
So then the media's like, this is the headline that will get the most traffic.
All of these stories, that headline, they do talk about hypoxia, but not in the headline, which people will read and then walk away from.
ian crossland
What is this?
They wrote a headline, and then when you click it, it goes, and the headline's different?
tim pool
Isn't that amazing?
ian crossland
How did they do that?
They originally got the headline from AP, and then the AP changed their headline, so all the other ones did too?
tim pool
Exactly.
Yep.
ian crossland
And the caching hasn't been updated.
tim pool
And so Google has the old headline, and if you try and search for that story to share, you get a different story.
ian crossland
They should've just wrote a new story.
tim pool
That's right, they should've.
That's right.
ian crossland
And be like, this article no longer exists if you click on that.
tim pool
So the important factor here is...
Someone could share the article where they're like, wow, I didn't realize this.
It perhaps could have been hypoxia caused by drugs.
What an interesting article.
And then every other person sees the headline, Derek Chauvin violated policy kneeling on the neck.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
So you guys remember like the, the golden blue dress or whatever, or like Manny and Laurel.
They're creating this because someone's going to have like a cash diversion on their, they're going to have a cash diversion from the article.
Oh wow.
It's a form of negligence, at least.
And they're going to be like, it literally says hypoxia potentially from drug use.
And the other person's like, are you nuts?
It says Chauvin, Neil Innocent can kill them.
What are you talking about?
I'm looking at the article right now.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
It's like they're intentionally making people insane.
I don't mean literally.
I'm just saying these articles and the way the system is designed, it's making
people hate each other and go nuts.
ian crossland
It's a form of negligence at least like journalistic negligence.
tim pool
Definitely.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
So now my, I'm just saying, I think we're getting to the point where, you know,
we'll get close to the end of the trial.
And if people only hear these headlines about the bad things about Chauvin, only hearing from the prosecution, they're going to be like, this guy's going to prison.
And then they're going to say, acquitted on all charges.
And they go, how is that possible?
I was reading the news about the trial.
It was bad for him.
Oh, the system is corrupt.
Right.
seamus coughlin
Definitely.
I mean, I think we can agree there that there will probably be riots.
I think at this point in the present epoch, you can just always assume that every major story is going to end with riots.
Doesn't matter.
That's my prediction for the future.
There will be riots.
I don't know what's happening, but the riots will occur as a result.
tim pool
Chauvin acquitted?
Riots.
seamus coughlin
Convicted.
Riots.
tim pool
Riots because it wasn't charged with first-degree murder or death penalty.
Chauvin gets... The space-time continuum rips asunder in the middle of the courtroom and Chauvin gets sucked into an altered reality and never to be seen again.
seamus coughlin
Riots.
Interdimensional riots.
tim pool
So right now what's happening is like a bunch of Antifa are in a room and they're sitting there and the doors closed and there's like one Antifa and he's looking at his watch and he's got his hand up and then they're all like getting jitters like ready to start and then it's like okay the news came in and it's and they just burst the door right I felt like I was in DC last year, like November.
ian crossland
There was like a March or something I went to.
And at the end of the night, I was down there and you could see, I don't know if they were in Antifa or whatever, a bunch of people wearing all black, just like standing around.
We talked about that.
unidentified
Zombies before the night, before the blood moon.
tim pool
NPCs before the script activates and they storm in to like, you know, play the game or whatever.
ian crossland
You like clip through the wall and you see them all like just waiting, waiting.
It was so disturbing.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
I'm sure most... Sitting on ledges and stuff.
tim pool
We brought this up at the time, but I'm sure most people are familiar with video games.
So when there's a boss battle, and let's say the boss bursts through the door and he's like, ROAR!
Who has woken me?
What's actually happening outside of that room is the character is standing there, waiting for a script to activate to start the VO line and the graphics.
So they're just in a T-pose or whatever, just sitting there.
And if you can go outside the walls, you'll see all the NPCs just frozen or in a T-pose.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's frightening, because T-posing builds testosterone.
So if Antifa's T-pose That would be a hilarious skit.
We should do that.
We should hire a bunch of anti-vote people to stand in a T-pose outside of a protest.
Just not saying anything or moving.
They're gonna be stronger than ever before.
tim pool
That would be a hilarious skit.
We should do that.
We should hire a bunch of anti-vote people to stand in a T-post outside of a protest.
Just not saying anything or moving.
seamus coughlin
Await orders.
tim pool
No, just like, just not say anything.
And then finally, when something happens, they all start walking and they go, Oh, fascism.
Oh, it's so bad.
Oh, we hate it.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
People will be like, what just happened?
And like, oh, the main character.
He entered.
seamus coughlin
He just spawned.
tim pool
Yeah.
Everybody walks back to the same spot and then puts in the T-pose again.
Getting ready for the next riot.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
I hate to say it, but I hate to say that we're getting comfortable that there might be riots in the United States.
seamus coughlin
I'm not comfortable, but I'm accepting of it like there probably will be riots.
tim pool
That's crazy.
ian crossland
I've never in my past been like, well, if global riots break out, well, whatever.
It was always like, there shouldn't be riots.
tim pool
Listen, listen, we're entering this political cycle where, like, we're gonna be old and have kids, and, you know, it's gonna be like, oh, it's 4 o'clock, kids, everybody come inside, the riots are coming, and the news is like, the riot will be arriving today at 4.10, a few minutes late, and they just, like, rampage through town.
It's like water.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
seamus coughlin
The riot mania, the meteorologists.
Yeah, it said well, it said how many horrible things we've just become jaded towards like first it happened with with public shootings and massacres and and now it's with Becoming the case with riots where we're just there was just you see this video Where the Antifa guy is trying to climb the Chase Bank.
Yeah what?
lydia smith
That was rough.
ian crossland
He hit the ground.
Can you play that?
Are you gonna play it?
tim pool
I'll search for it.
ian crossland
He hit the ground and then all of a sudden he started to bleed.
I put in air quotes.
seamus coughlin
It's black paint, but it looks like blood oozing up from his body.
ian crossland
He was gonna vandalize this building with black paint and he fell and he landed on his hip and the paint starts dripping out.
I was like, oh, it looks like oil or something.
Like he's a robot at first.
Then this girl's like, he's like, this guy comes up and he's like, what happened?
Where did he fall from?
She was like, he landed on his hip.
He was like, he fell from his hip.
She was like, he landed.
Nevermind.
tim pool
She didn't want to say.
ian crossland
She didn't want to tell him.
tim pool
So we have this from Andy No.
Andy No tweets at a far left anti-capitalism protest today at Chase Bank in Manhattan.
A masked protester falls after attempting to climb the building.
The black paint he was carrying is spilled all over the ground.
So I'm not going to show the actual, because YouTube doesn't want us to, but I'll show you him climbing.
Because apparently that's okay.
And then there's people yelling at him, get down!
He's not that high, I'm sorry.
lydia smith
He's like 8 feet up?
tim pool
Yeah, he's like 8 feet up.
And then he tries to grab onto the awning, falls down, his paint splatters.
Here's my favorite part.
seamus coughlin
Call 911!
ian crossland
Immediately.
tim pool
Isn't it funny?
You know what I thought about this?
seamus coughlin
Check it out.
tim pool
The guy slams the ground.
seamus coughlin
Why not a social worker?
tim pool
No, no, no, here's what I love.
But yes, yes, yes.
What I love about this is, imagine it's like 1870, and a guy is climbing the front of a
bank and he's like, done with capitalism, and then he falls and hits his pelvis.
Do you know what the people around him would do?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Call for help!
They just leave.
My hip is broken!
Call the sheriff!
No one's gonna do anything.
They're gonna walk away from him.
It's amazing that we're in today's day and age and it's so pampered that these LARPers are like, I'm gonna climb the Chase Manhattan.
ian crossland
It was like the Chase Manhattan security guard.
I can't confirm that he worked for Chase, but it was the same guy.
It looked like a security guard for the building was like, we've called the ambulance.
Don't worry.
It's like the dude was just about to vandalize your building.
tim pool
You know what, man?
See, we're so tolerant and accepting of this behavior.
I get it.
What are we supposed to do?
We can't just leave someone there.
But I'll tell you this.
When I saw that, I'm sorry.
I'm gonna say it.
I laughed a hearty laugh.
You know why?
Because I've fallen from higher, and I watched Jake Brown fall from two stories at the X Games.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Slam onto his hip, get up, and walk out waving while everyone cheered for him.
So, like, so for those of you who aren't familiar with what happened there, that's, it was in the 2007, I think it was, or maybe 2006 X Games.
Jake Brown's on the mega ramp.
It's like a hundred feet high drop-in.
Then he launches like 70 feet.
Then he goes up a 20-foot vert wall.
He's like 48 feet in the air.
He loses control and slams into the deck.
His shoes fly like 50 to 100 feet, just crazy.
And everyone thought he was dead.
I watched it live, and we were just like, oh my god.
And then they walk over to him, they check out his neck and everything, they lift him up, and then he limps out waving to the crowd.
This Antifa guy falls 8 feet, and he's going, Oh, they're like, what's wrong?
My hip.
lydia smith
He's frail.
Okay.
tim pool
He's frail.
You need to drink more milk.
lydia smith
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, it's, it's, there's this weird thing where people have survived falls from extreme heights, but then some people will fall like literally five or six feet and they'll, they'll sever, sever their spine and die.
Like it's happened.
It's really horrible and scary.
Um, my friend, I was in the military and he was telling me about someone in his unit who was a paratrooper and his parachute did not open when he jumped out of the plane and his backup didn't open.
And he landed and he survived.
He basically shattered all of his bones.
But yeah, he survived the fall, which is insane.
tim pool
Yeah, apparently there's like techniques you can do.
I guess they say aim for trees.
lydia smith
Yeah, the way you land.
tim pool
Let me tell y'all a story.
Let's talk about some skateboarding.
See, I was like 16 and I was skating at a skate park and there was this... We'll just call it a box.
It was like five feet high, five feet off the ground.
And then from the top of it, there was a gap over another ramp, which is about five feet.
I spent about an hour, I'm 16, I'm trying to do what's called a backside 180
over this five foot high, five foot long gap to the ground.
Backside is when you're spinning and you can't see where you're going
because you're looking behind you.
I think I fell like 30 times.
And every time I would hit the ground, I'd slip out or I'd roll.
And then finally I landed, rolled away all clean and everyone's like, oh, and they're all cheering for me.
And then literally like a minute after that, some like seven year old kid was jumping up and down and frolicking with his mom, slipped on the ground in front of the ramp and broke his ankle.
And that's when I was like, man, that weird.
It's crazy how like I can jump off this on purpose.
For like 30, you know, 30 tries.
And each time I fall, hit the ground, I just bounce and roll away and get up and I'm like, I want to try it again.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's such a strange thing.
Like there, so my brothers were both in a car accident probably about 10 years ago now on the highway while they were doing 80.
And the car was like completely totaled and they had their seatbelts on and thank God they survived.
There are people who end up like permanently brain damaged after a literal fender bender.
It's just, it's crazy.
You never know.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
It's legit.
Yeah, some people, like, will bang their head just a little bit on, like, the window and then it's just, like, causes damage.
But, uh, are we basically saying that this Antifa guy has been severely injured and we must, you know... I have no idea.
Maybe he got really hurt?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
ian crossland
I didn't see the video.
Did not want EMS or anything.
unidentified
I was like that that vandal deserves to lay there in pain But that was like a mean part of me.
tim pool
I don't know the way you want to take care of your enemies as well like the We you know in in the movie the Patriot with Mel Gibson He tends to both sides after the battle and then the British, you know Because they're evil and they always will be the right counts exactly basically, you know burn his house down because they did it and I'm kidding about the Brits.
You've evolved.
seamus coughlin
See, we know you hate the Brits.
tim pool
Apparently, there's a big controversy, I guess, because in that movie, they depict the British as, like, really brutal.
seamus coughlin
Way over the top.
They, like, make them Nazis.
tim pool
Yeah, no, for real.
He kills his kid.
He's like, you tended to the wounded.
Kill his son.
ian crossland
No Gifts is great at propaganda.
It was such American propaganda, that movie.
tim pool
The truth is, the British Empire had power, and they were basically the state, and telling the Americans who were like, yo, leave us alone, what to do, and so conflict breaks out.
But anyway, what are we talking about?
So actually I'm conflicted on this too, because there's a difference between like understanding there's a conflict in a war and these people who keep doing this stuff.
They don't stop.
And what happens is they set fires, they break things, they don't get arrested.
In fact, we render aid to them.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And so I understand.
I would never let a person just sit there if they were truly injured.
I'd call the medical team.
I'm just pointing out the difficulty here and how do you stop someone from doing something dumb like trying to climb, chase while they're screaming, get down.
And then he gets hurt and we're like, who all saw that coming?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, treat them, but they should face the full consequences that are due to them legally.
We should be arresting these people, of course.
Don't let anything off the hook.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's the prosecutors.
And I'll tell you this, man.
We've had a bunch of conversations in the past couple of weeks where I've been like, tax the rich!
Not literally, but I'm just saying, stop billionaires from influencing politics.
And I get a lot of pushback, you know, like, I get pushback from, you know, Jack Murphy, Michael Malice, and they didn't agree with me on that one.
But my issue is, these district attorneys, they're getting put in office through the money of these ultra-wealthy Progressive billionaire types.
Not all of our progressives.
I don't agree with any one of these billionaires just flooding the zone with money and shutting up the opinions of the actual people who live there.
But when people are just swept up with hundreds of millions of dollars in propaganda, these DAs get elected.
We know that, you know, George Soros, for instance, was donating a lot to a lot of the district attorneys.
seamus coughlin
That's just a conspiracy theory, Tim.
I don't know why you would ever say George Soros' name.
I want everyone to know that I like having a YouTube channel and I denounce Tim right now.
It's horrible.
Don't say anything about George Soros.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this.
It was the Mercers, the Koch brothers.
It's George Soros.
It's Bezos.
It's...
Mackenzie Bezos, it is Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg.
All of these ultra-wealthy people dump money into politics, and one of the big things we saw was that, I believe, this is really funny, like Fox News, I think Newt Gingrich was on, and he was like, you know, George Soros' foundation was helping to get these district attorneys elected.
And then Fox was like, we don't say that around here.
And then people were like, that's a fact.
seamus coughlin
That's so funny to me.
tim pool
Apparently you can't even say the guy's name anymore?
That's creepy.
Look, the point is, I don't like the billionaires.
The millionaires and the billionaires doing this.
Because then listen, these people do dumb things, they get arrested, and the newly elected DA who's very progressive goes, you're free to go.
No charges.
ian crossland
It's crazy.
There should be some oversight.
seamus coughlin
You can't name Soros.
If I had only read one single book in my entire life, I might compare him to Voldemort.
ian crossland
He was self-made, right?
George Soros?
tim pool
Didn't he come from a lowly... The left, apparently, the only book they've ever read are Harry Potter.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing, all they ever reference are Harry Potter and The Handmaid's Tale, both of which are movies or exist in visual media.
So it's like, I know you didn't even read them.
The only literature they quote exists on television.
ian crossland
Did you guys ever read Dune?
tim pool
No.
You got to read it aren't they making it was that one's that new movie coming out?
ian crossland
It's been they made a movie with with sting in the early 80s And I saw that one they made a made-for-tv movies with
William Hurt. It was way better weird Yeah, the movie with the David Lynch movie was a little off.
Oh, yeah, you told us to watch it Didn't you not the day will watch it for weirdness, but the
made-for-tv movie is way better, but the book the book I heard the book was good, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, that was why I was about it's basically this kid this this this this
ian crossland
This king and his son his family or have to flee the planet and they go are they leave the planet and they go to?
unidentified
This new planet. That's a desert planet where that to harvest the spice. There's just like this galactic
spice trade trade item and There's like conflict over the over the spice the political
tim pool
conflict I thought there's something like an Analogous to you know antifa.
ian crossland
No, it's just such a great book that all these I guess you call them like this Harry Potter's great Dune read Dune.
It is political.
Maybe there's something to it.
seamus coughlin
These people just don't read books man Well, this is my favorite thing.
I saw this meme a while ago and it was like comparing Trump and Harry Potter instead.
Just like troll lefties.
It was very funny, but it was like favorably comparing Trump to Harry Potter and people were spreading it around.
I thought that was hilarious.
tim pool
So who in that context, who's Voldemort?
seamus coughlin
Probably Hillary.
Probably maybe Soros.
I don't know.
lydia smith
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Oh, come on.
I'm not into Harry Potter.
What are we talking about?
tim pool
I love how, like, at this protest, they're holding up a big banner that says Solidarity.
And I'm like, what is that?
ian crossland
What protest?
tim pool
At the one where the guy climbs the wall and then falls and hurts himself.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
They're, like, holding up a big banner that says Solidarity.
And I'm like, do people, like, know what you're talking about?
ian crossland
For real, the banking establishes a problem, but painting black stuff on their windows isn't... That's gonna show them.
seamus coughlin
That'll stop it.
ian crossland
That won't get the cops to come out and crack down.
tim pool
No, I can just imagine, you know, the CEO, Jamie Dimon sitting in the, I don't know if he's still
CEO or whatever, probably. And then he looks, he looks on the TV, he looks out from the 100th
floor of whatever building he's in and he sees tiny little dots and he goes, what are they doing?
Is that, is that black paint on my window?
What have I done?
seamus coughlin
And then he goes, oh, push the button.
And he hits a button, and the building is electrically charged.
And the guy's electrocuted and falls off the building, and everyone just thinks he slipped.
lydia smith
That's what happened.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
That explains everything.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
Like when that when when the guy tells the story about what happened, it's very dramatic He's like in his all my muscles seized up at once in his version of it.
He's super ripped.
He's like It's like a hundred feet in the air and then Jamie Dimon punched him in the face.
You'll pay for this All right, there are better ways to protest the banks keep that in mind guys I Yeah, I've always maintained that damaging a window does nothing to anybody, but the people have to clean it.
ian crossland
Do you guys see this guy suing the Federal Reserve?
Have you guys looked into that?
seamus coughlin
I think he's going to win, Ian.
ian crossland
I think he might.
I think he might have a chance.
seamus coughlin
He's going to sue them for everything they have, and they're just going to keep printing and printing and printing, and he's going to be the wealthiest person who ever lived.
tim pool
Did you guys see Ryan Long's Not Antifa window repair?
seamus coughlin
Yes, that was hysterical.
That was so good.
tim pool
So they have shirts that say, not Antifa window repair.
And he's like, we figured out a way to maximize profits while we're protesting.
And they have Antifa shirts and they take them off and it's like, not Antifa window repair.
And he's like, basically we go out, organize these protests.
So everyone smashes the windows and then we're right there to pick up the business.
And then they actually went into bodegas and talked to them, like, we'll fix your windows if they get smashed out.
Yeah, good stuff.
Good comedy.
ian crossland
Good Ryan Long comedy.
tim pool
He's a genius, man.
Alright, well, have we talked about Antifa falling?
I think we have.
Let's talk about the Section 230 stuff, man.
The first thing I want to do is I want to lead with this.
81m.org.
Have you guys seen this?
Have you heard about this?
Have you seen this?
seamus coughlin
No.
81M?
81M.org.
tim pool
I don't know.
Tracking the White House YouTube channel.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yes.
We were talking about this.
This is a great story.
And it's not shocking at all.
tim pool
I mean, it's crazy.
So check this out.
If you go to 81M.org, they say that they're analyzing the real like to dislike ratio versus what's displayed on the White House channel.
So you'll look right here.
Check this out.
On April 5th, 14,570 views.
The video is titled, President Biden Delivers Remarks on the Tradition of Easter at the White House.
You can see the official approval rate, according to YouTube, is 12.58%.
It's got 1,599 dislikes.
It's got 1,599 dislikes.
The real approval rate is only 4.76% because it has 4,606 dislikes.
This is every single video.
You can see that they're deleting dislikes, not nearly enough.
Okay, in this one, it's not very, it's not much different.
Some of them are fairly dramatic, like this is a thousand dislikes, and there's four thousand.
This one's got twenty thousand dislikes, and YouTube claims it only has seven thousand.
Now, when I first saw this, I thought to myself, how do I know this is true?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Maybe they're just lying.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
They could be lying.
seamus coughlin
Could just be liars.
tim pool
Could be liars.
seamus coughlin
Dirty.
That's the story.
tim pool
Pants on fire liars.
But they also include an additional metric to compare using the same data.
seamus coughlin
At the end, they say, trust me, bro.
So I'm pretty sure they're telling the truth.
tim pool
And come on, man.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, come on, man.
tim pool
Come on, man.
I'm like, well, I don't know.
seamus coughlin
He's got a point.
tim pool
That sounds like Biden.
They track PewDiePie.
When you look at PewDiePie's like to dislike ratio, it's almost identical across the board.
There are some disparities.
But that's because YouTube does legitimately get rid of spam dislikes from, you know, bot farms and things like that.
PewDiePie is overwhelmingly, his numbers are accurate.
So when you look at a massive channel like his, then you look at the White House, it's very strange.
Now, again, I'll say it.
It's possible the people behind 81M are just, like, giving us bunk numbers and then claiming that they're right there.
seamus coughlin
QAnon Trump supporters.
Yeah, far right!
ian crossland
Is it 81M.org?
tim pool
Yeah, 81M.org.
ian crossland
That's possible.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe they're just lying, but we know for a fact that YouTube has already stated in the past they do remove likes from the White House YouTube channel.
Dislikes?
Dislikes, sorry.
And they announced that they may get rid of the dislike feature.
seamus coughlin
I heard about this.
tim pool
For people's health.
ian crossland
I like that.
seamus coughlin
I hope so, because it's bad for my health when I get a dislike on one of my videos.
I wish YouTube would come through and delete some of those.
tim pool
But you can still see them, it's just other people can't.
lydia smith
Oh.
That's not good.
seamus coughlin
That's not gonna help my health.
What does that do for me?
ian crossland
Didn't they change it to say, not for me, instead of a down vote?
lydia smith
I did see that.
ian crossland
And you're like, this kind of video is not for me.
And then the algorithm tries to feed you less videos like that.
I saw a screenshot of a Steven Crowder video that said, not for me, instead of dislike.
tim pool
Huh.
ian crossland
I never disliked.
Since 2007, I kind of made like a personal choice to never do that to someone.
I either like it or not.
If I don't like it, I don't say anything.
tim pool
I actually think they should get rid of dislikes.
seamus coughlin
Really?
Likes and dislikes?
tim pool
Dislikes absolutely do hurt channels.
They make sure that other people can't see the content.
So what happens is, because Crowder brought this up, that they'll put out a video where it's like, Joe Biden says, you know, X. And people will go, I can't believe Joe Biden said that.
Dislike.
And then he's like, no, don't dislike us!
Dislike, we agree with you!
Like, we like what we're saying!
seamus coughlin
Maybe it's possible to adjust the algorithm so that disliking the video doesn't result in fewer people viewing it, but the audience is still able to know what the general consensus on the video is.
ian crossland
I mean, you can have, like, Facebook has little emojis, so you can have the anger emoji, the heart emoji, the thumbs up emoji.
tim pool
Make it more complicated.
ian crossland
And they kind of show, like, did it make you angry?
Did it make you happy?
Did it make you laugh?
So they could use that algorithm.
seamus coughlin
I've got a really good idea.
I think this is the future for YouTube.
They have five stars, and you can give the video a ranking of zero all the way at the beginning, or five stars, and each video will be somewhere along the spectrum.
tim pool
Why didn't anyone ever try?
seamus coughlin
Why didn't anyone ever do that?
unidentified
It would have been great.
ian crossland
They should have been doing that since the beginning.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, right when they started, they should have had that system.
ian crossland
Like, before Google bought them.
seamus coughlin
I'm just a genius.
Yeah.
When did that change?
tim pool
Why did they get rid of that?
I have no idea.
seamus coughlin
Honestly, I do think a like-dislike thing is more accurate than a star system, though, because someone could be like, I like this, but what someone considers four- or five-star content is gonna vary wildly between people.
Two people can like something equally as much, but one person's like, this is five stars, and the other person's like, Three and a half.
tim pool
I saw a Yelp review once where it was like the restaurant got a three star rating out of five from someone and they were like, this is one of the best restaurants I've ever been to.
Absolutely great.
Three out of five.
And then the owner was like, would you mind giving us more stars if you really liked it that much?
But it's because the person thought three out of five was like really good.
Four was like, wow.
And five was too perfect to exist.
seamus coughlin
So, um, I found, I was on a trip and I booked my own hotel, unfortunately, without reading the reviews.
And then when I got there, I was like, this place is a little sketchy.
Why don't I check out the reviews?
So I went to the reviews and it was so horrifically bad.
I was like, I'm going to go.
I'm just going to look at the worst first, just to see if this place is dangerous.
It was very dangerous.
One of the reviews was like, someone was killed here the night I was staying here.
The next day, I'm not kidding, the next day someone was shot in the parking lot.
I was like, okay.
And then one of the reviews said, it was like listing all these things that were wrong with the room.
And it was like, and I found a crack pipe under the sink.
tim pool
Free crack pipe?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
Complimentary.
I was fine with a mint on the pillow, but apparently a crack pipe under the sink is the new thing.
And the response from the hotel was, thank you for staying at Blank Inn.
I was crying, dude.
I have to send the screenshots to you.
Because I was at this hotel and I was horrified, but I was also laughing really hard at these reviews.
I was like, ah, I have to leave.
unidentified
Where was it?
seamus coughlin
Like, right now.
This was in Georgia.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
lydia smith
Bad neighborhood.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it was in a bad part of town.
Should've read the reviews.
I looked at the reviews.
Well, here's the thing.
I so foolishly, I booked it very quickly because I was in kind of a rush.
Mistake.
But it said on the website's page, most people who come here return later.
So I was like, oh, it must be a nice place.
Well, it turns out people who like go to hotels to do like drug deals and other nefarious things will like go to the same hotel a bunch of times.
tim pool
Hey, this place worked.
Come back.
ian crossland
Sorting reviews by likes or sorting them by dislikes.
So you can see like all the dislikes first.
I also like sorting by recent.
So you can be like, what happened yesterday?
seamus coughlin
And the nice thing about Steam, for instance... Because like someone gets killed at the hotel two days in a row once, and all of a sudden people don't like the place forever.
ian crossland
That's a lot bigger of a deal than three years ago.
Oh, Steam lets you see how many hours someone has played a video game before they rate it.
So you can kind of get some perspective.
So if you knew more about the person that was giving the rating, you might be able to tell.
But then, I mean, that's more of a complex algorithm.
seamus coughlin
It's funny because I was searching for other hotels and I found this place and I was like, I'm going to look at the negative reviews first just to see.
And the worst review was like, the attendant was very rude to me.
I was like, I'm staying here.
tim pool
This is great.
The main issue with like the YouTube dislike thing is that first and foremost, the White House is an official channel that produces content, not as a career, but because they're the White House.
So they put out updates.
seamus coughlin
So everyone sma- Jill Biden at the end of his press conference has to be like, smash that like button!
ian crossland
He should be saying that.
unidentified
Like, share, and subscribe to the channel!
seamus coughlin
Thanks for watching, YouTube!
tim pool
Could you imagine if he's at a press conference again and he's talking to the press corps and he's like, now for all you journalists!
Sit in here, you know, we're on YouTube.
So I'm gonna give a shout out to everybody smash that like button.
Don't forget to hit that notification bell and subscribe We're really close to breaking 1 million subscribers.
So come on, man.
Become a subscriber.
unidentified
Is he holding up his play button?
ian crossland
Kimmel does it for his show.
So maybe they should start.
At the end there's like an insert clip where he's like, thanks for watching our YouTube channel.
unidentified
Just be sure to He should do that.
ian crossland
Biden should do that.
tim pool
I would actually give him a thumbs up if he did.
I would too.
I have to.
seamus coughlin
It's Joe Biden for sure.
100%.
I'm like, alright, I admire the hustle and I've been in his position so I get it.
He's like plugging the federal government's now running on Patreon.
tim pool
It's got 328.2 million patrons.
seamus coughlin
No, dude, it's like half that.
tim pool
It's like, if you make this much money, you must subscribe for this tier to make this much money.
And it was like, and then in big bold letters, if you don't subscribe, we'll come and arrest you at gunpoint.
That's how patrons should work, right?
So listen, here's the issue I have with the dislike button.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Let's say somebody likes political commentary and they like subject matter about whatever.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
When they give a dislike, they actually like this kind of content.
They actually like this subject, but they disagree with something in it.
Maybe it's the opinion of the person in an article.
Maybe it's the opinion of the host, but they do typically enjoy this kind of content.
The dislike in that regard doesn't work because then it results in fewer people seeing content
they would actually enjoy.
So ultimately what I'm saying is, if I make a video where I'm like, I think the government
should bring back government cheese or whatever, people are going to be like, bad opinion,
X.
And then what YouTube hears is not, I dislike this opinion.
YouTube hears this video is a bad video.
So then there may be people who actually agree with that opinion and they won't be served the content.
YouTube is effectively creating political silos where they force people into one or the other bubble because if you capture a liberal audience and you say, liberal opinion!
All the liberals give you a thumbs up.
So then YouTube's like, share it with more people!
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
If you say conservative opinion and liberals give it a thumbs down, they stop showing it to anybody.
Then what happens is these people are forced to choose whichever bubble that YouTube sorts them to.
It's almost like, you ever see that thing where they have the conveyor belt with all the little baby chickens on it?
And then they're like picking them up and looking at them and throwing the males into the meat grinder?
seamus coughlin
Yes!
Yeah, very rude.
tim pool
It's basically like what it is.
seamus coughlin
It's how it feels, getting a dislike.
Every single one.
tim pool
That's not what I mean.
What I mean is, you start a new channel, right?
Start a brand new channel.
And say, my opinion on immigration.
Whichever person that YouTube randomly suggests that video to, assuming they do, if their opinion is liberal, and they give you a thumbs up, then YouTube's gonna start growing your channel.
If they send it to a conservative, and your opinion is liberal, your channel's crushed.
ian crossland
In addition to that, like you said, you'll make a video, you'll say, these people got murdered and tortured, and the person will be like, thank you so much for making this video and telling me about it.
That's horrible that they got murdered.
seamus coughlin
Thumbs down.
tim pool
That's what I was saying with Crowder.
seamus coughlin
Because it's important for people to remember that the like and dislike button is not there for you to assess whether you're happy with what's being reported on.
It's there to bully creators with bad opinions.
Absolutely.
tim pool
Or just ugly ones.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, like me.
Every time I'm on the dislike ratio, you guys just get ratioed super hard.
I was like, why is this ugly man on the podcast?
I need a haircut, man.
ian crossland
Look, he's growing out afro that thing all the way.
You know, it's built for it.
tim pool
What really bothers me the most, though, is that people aren't smashing the like button for this handsome gentleman.
ian crossland
Smash it!
seamus coughlin
Smash that like button.
ian crossland
You guys have to hit it.
We're almost at a million subscribers.
tim pool
Do this.
ian crossland
We're gonna get the plaques.
tim pool
But not even for the plaques.
ian crossland
I want the plaque!
seamus coughlin
Guys, if we don't get, how many likes do you get on average?
tim pool
We get, like, 12?
seamus coughlin
If we don't get 15,000 likes, I'm deleting Freedom Tunes.
ian crossland
Right now.
seamus coughlin
So smash that like button.
tim pool
Well, no, this resulted in a genre of videos that were literally just smash the like button videos, where it was really funny.
There'd be, like, a guy, and he'd be like, hey, everybody, what's going on?
We're going to smash that like button.
The camera, like, zooms in on his face back and forth.
There's, like, explosions.
And it's, like, 5 million likes.
And it worked because YouTube would prop those videos up.
So then people just started doing that.
That's it.
seamus coughlin
I love that.
I mean, people will always find a way to mess with the rules.
Everyone's always trying to get away with something at all times.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Sometimes people will be like, and go ahead and smash that.
And they'll have like low energy, but like, you gotta like, it's more than like the buildup.
Like you can say tap that like button, but if you say it with like vehemence, you know, then it gets people to tap it.
seamus coughlin
But if you don't have the energy, then it's kind of funny.
That happens to me sometimes.
Cause like there, there are some videos I end up having to pull an all nighter in order to finish.
And then I don't record the bumper until right before I upload.
So the video is like really high energy and crazy.
unidentified
And then I'm like, Guys, please like, share, subscribe, and hit the like button if you can.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Now I'm like stumbling over my words.
I literally become Joe Biden when I don't have enough sleep.
You know, the button, the thing.
ian crossland
Maybe they should get rid or alter thumbs up to say like, show me more of this.
Because on Facebook, that's what it does.
tim pool
Would you like to know more button?
unidentified
Yeah!
ian crossland
Click here if you'd like to know more.
tim pool
At the end, there shouldn't be a like or dislike.
Once the video ends, it should go, would you like to know more?
And it should just appear and you can click it.
unidentified
That's it.
seamus coughlin
With Facebook, I... Would you like to know more about what?
The specific video?
unidentified
From this person, it's basically... Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize.
ian crossland
Went over my head.
I'll go down the list and I'll see things from people that I like following and I don't even care what they...
But I'll just like it because I want to see more from that person. So I've broken the out
seamus coughlin
I've seen passed through the algorithm Can we get about a thousand likes for Ian breaking the
algorithm like looking past it like it?
tim pool
So apparently if on Facebook you post that you have a kid and got married
It'll appear on the top of all of your friends feeds and so what people started doing for a while is they'd post
like just got married and had a had a new child so excited and
Anyway, none of that's true.
I just want to let you know that I'm having a barbecue at my house.
No joke, people were doing that.
Because the algorithm found out that people interacted the most with posts about marriage and having kids.
And everyone's like, love it!
They're all commenting and thumbs up.
So they get boosted.
And then the algorithm makes no sense.
seamus coughlin
Shameful, Tim.
That's fraud.
tim pool
Well, we're talking about social media manipulation, and I think this should segue us into our next really major story.
Clarence Thomas blasts Section 230 wants common carrier rules for Twitter.
Thomas claims Twitter's right to cut off speech raises First Amendment problem.
This is an amazing story.
Do you guys remember when Trump got sued for blocking people?
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
Vaguely.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing, probably, I'm not going to say I didn't pay attention to it, maybe I did, but there were so many Trump stories that it's like, they've all just gone now.
They're all out of my head.
They just got washed right out.
As soon as he left office, I was like, that's it.
Don't need to remember any of this.
tim pool
Like Dumbledore with the pensive, you took your memories out of Harry Potter!
seamus coughlin
I'm going to get a generational spirit if you can talk about Harry Potter around me.
tim pool
Okay, so Trump got sued, and this court ruled Trump can't block people.
And it was like one of the stupidest rulings.
A lot of people were like, that's dumb, because Twitter is a private business, and how could it be a public forum?
Here's the ruling.
Trump tweets, it creates a public forum where people can reply.
So if Trump bans them, it's violating their First Amendment right, so he can't do that.
Then a lot of people were like, but Twitter's a private company and Twitter can remove that.
And Twitter did start putting restrictions.
So how can you call it a public forum created when a private company has a right to remove this?
The way I viewed it was like, imagine Donald Trump holds an event open to the public, but hires a private security contractor.
So what, the private security company can kick people out?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Protesters show up, oh but it's a private security company.
You know, they're the ones running this event and control things.
They have the authority to remove people so it's not a violation of your First Amendment rights.
If you're protesting the president and a private company removes you, so the court's ruled,
Trump can't remove you, but a private company can?
Makes no sense.
So it actually got upheld on appeal.
Then it made its way to the Supreme Court where they dismissed it and vacated the ruling.
Congratulations, if you're a politician like AOC, you can now block people again.
Because she was also implicated in this, because she was blocking people.
Here's where it gets crazy, though.
The whole thing's backfiring.
The left wanted the regulation, and with this ruling, Clarence Thomas issued this massive opinion.
I mean, massive in terms of the impact it may end up having.
He issued his opinion, which will have a massive impact, in my opinion, where he said that How is it that a private company like Twitter can ban the president but, you know, these courts are claiming it's a First Amendment issue?
Maybe these are not platforms.
In fact, they're common carriers like phone companies.
Here's what I'm saying.
The rules for Section 230, for those that aren't familiar, basically say a web service platform can't be held responsible for the things its users say.
You've got to sue the user.
Long story short.
If Seamus has a blog, let's say you set up a blog where you write articles about religion.
And you have a comment section so that people can respond to you and give you thoughts.
And you have rules where you're like, this is specifically for talk on Christianity and our opinions.
It makes sense, in my opinion then, to ban people who violate your rules.
Because the point of your website is for you, Seamus, to publish.
Not for the comments.
Those are ancillary.
Those are peripheral to the main objective.
Twitter's express purpose is users commenting and posting things.
Yeah.
Which is more like a phone company.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Imagine if, like, you went to Verizon for a phone, not to talk to people, but to hear what the CEO of Verizon wanted to tell you.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
It's very different.
You know what I mean?
Oh, but you can call someone, but every day you open your phone and there's the CEO talking.
And then you can, like, well, I think you're dumb.
That's more like what they're trying to claim.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
It's kind of how these Android phones are.
I don't think Google doesn't hit me with an ad every time I open my phone, but there are Google ads on here.
seamus coughlin
Well that is just, they are just burning money if they don't do that.
tim pool
The Libertarians got mad at me though.
seamus coughlin
Uh-oh.
tim pool
The Libertarian Party of Texas said it was horrible for free speech because the government was getting in the way.
This is the weirdest thing to me about the big L Libertarian position on this.
Why is it that the big L Libertarian Party is pro-authoritarianism as long as it's coming from corporations?
seamus coughlin
It's really weird.
ian crossland
That's very weird.
tim pool
Right?
So I'm little L Libertarian, meaning I overwhelmingly just want the individual to be protected.
When a massive multinational corporation is dumping money into politics and manipulating the ability for people to speak and get their representatives elected, that's authoritarianism, and I'm not okay with that.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, it would be one thing if it was like a totally, completely free private market, then it would make some sense to be like, no, they have to be protected and we can't break them up.
There's so much state involvement already that it seems as if state involvement in the direction of helping people to express themselves instead of allowing the big tech companies to do whatever they want and be supported in that decision is probably more in line with a lot of the classically liberal principles libertarians have, agree or disagree with them.
tim pool
You can't break up Twitter, though.
Twitter works as a service because of its ubiquity.
If you broke up Twitter into, like, ten services, nobody would want to use any of these services because, like, who would you be following?
Unless they were forced into the Fediverse, then it would make sense, but you can't break up Google or Twitter in the same way.
You can break up Google because Google has a bunch of different companies.
Like, Google search can't be broken up.
They dominate search, period.
Nothing you can do about it.
However, Google, you know, Alphabet also owns an ad network, ad sales.
They run ads, they buy ads, and they've got, you know, G Suite, they've got Calendar, they've
got all these different...
X, they've got X.
Yeah, all of these different areas that do a bunch of different crazy things.
You could break that up.
So in terms of big tech, what I see is the usefulness of social media is in its monopolistic
tendencies.
Not in terms of abuse of its users, but in the fact that everybody uses one service to communicate.
So that's why I'm very much in favor of it needs to be regulated.
There's not going to be Twitter 2.
Parler almost came about, it got crushed.
So that's where it's really bad.
It's not about antitrust, it's about What is this, Rico?
What is this, racketeering?
What do you call it when all these companies come together and they collude to stifle any competition?
ian crossland
Hostile takeover?
tim pool
No, it's just trust violations and stuff like that, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Bad stuff.
ian crossland
Hostile takeover is when you buy a company out, right?
Those were made illegal in the early 1900s.
tim pool
No, I think they still happen.
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Well, they're supposed to be illegal.
tim pool
They buy up as much shares as possible until they have a controlling majority, and then they take over.
ian crossland
Yeah, they ruin the value of the other company.
seamus coughlin
Which is what those horrible Redditors did to GameStop.
It was very sad.
unidentified
I know.
Truly awful.
tim pool
Well, did you hear that they're going to be issuing new stock?
seamus coughlin
Really?
Wait, they just started over?
tim pool
GameStop, I think, announced that they had a bump in sales and that they were going to be doing a stock offering, and then a bunch of people started selling because a stock offering means the short sellers have an exit.
However, the stock still isn't like 200 bucks, so... Really?
That's a lot of money.
seamus coughlin
It's still really high right now.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I'm surprised it didn't take a dive.
ian crossland
My thoughts on this free speech thing is that I've never heard of a corporation upholding free speech in the history of the world.
That is what the United States government was built for.
So obviously, I think we should rely on the government for this one.
tim pool
The government doesn't guarantee free speech.
The government is prohibited from infringing upon free speech.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So when people... The Libertarian Party responded to me on Twitter and they were like, you think the problem will be, like, it'll be made better with government involvement?
And I'm like, the government involvement goes so far as saying, you can't do that.
Not that they're gonna show up to Twitter's headquarters... Nationalize Twitter?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
And then you send your tweet out and they give you a tracking number, they'll be like, it'll be up in two weeks.
ian crossland
Right, the government is like, your inalienable right is the freedom to speech.
Now we're gonna make sure people don't infringe on that.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not about the government working at Twitter, it's about a pathway to a lawsuit.
It's about the government saying, you can sue over this.
That's it.
seamus coughlin
And there's also something to be said for, even if you left the system the way it was now,
for the terms of service to be applied equitably.
lydia smith
That's a good point.
seamus coughlin
Because there are so many people who have said things which are horrifically violent,
but it's in the direction of assaulting conservatives.
Like, I mean, we saw this a lot, not to beat a dead horse, but hey,
some dead horses need their butts kicked.
This is a pretty serious topic.
The whole Nick Sandman story is the perfect example.
You had, like, grown adults jumping on this kid.
No one has a more punchable face.
We should put them in a wood chipper.
Psychotic stuff like that.
And they weren't banned.
unidentified
Yeah, but then Trump was like, you're my special boys and you're very peaceful.
seamus coughlin
And they deleted Trump completely off the platform.
tim pool
They're screaming at the top of their lungs to get rid of him.
So here's what could happen with Clarence Thomas.
It doesn't do anything.
They dismissed this case.
They vacated the previous ruling.
But Clarence Thomas's opinion could be used in a lawsuit or as justification for regulation of these platforms through Congress.
I really doubt Congress would do anything because, surprise surprise, the left is not in favor of free speech when they're enemies that are being censored.
So there's potential for a lawsuit, I suppose.
Under Clarence Thomas' opinion, someone could now sue and say, here's what Clarence Thomas said.
ian crossland
What would they sue exactly?
What would they sue for?
tim pool
So, it's interesting.
I've seen a bunch of arguments, and they tend to fail for a variety of reasons, but when you sign up for Twitter, you're entering into a contract with Twitter, as well as, like, you're both in a contract.
You're both parties to this agreement.
Now, Twitter and most platforms say we reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason, and that basically, you know, cuts you off.
You can't really do much.
But the general idea we've seen from some people is, We entered into agreement and Twitter violated that by removing me for fake reasons.
The other thing, however, that I think is being overlooked by people is that Twitter should be sued for defamation and libel when someone gets banned.
So, for instance, when Milo got suspended, I think they said something like he was running multiple accounts.
Okay.
ian crossland
So they should have said, we're banning him for no reason.
tim pool
If that's not true, then Milo should sue for defamation, for libel, saying they issued this statement to the press.
It's not true.
ian crossland
Could you imagine if they started being like, we're going to ban this person for no reason.
seamus coughlin
They do.
ian crossland
But if that was their public statement, if they had to say that, or it was defamation, this person we're banning for no reason.
seamus coughlin
What if, like, they run out of people to ban because they've just gotten rid of all their political opponents, but, like, the Twitter CEOs just, they still need blood, and so they just, like, start picking random accounts to be sacrificed every year as tribute, and they just, like, just some dude named Greg, they're just, like, tweeting his, like, he's just, like, he's just, like, tweeting benign stuff, and they're, like, your account has to go.
They just, like, will randomly grab people and remove them from the platform.
tim pool
It's like decimation.
seamus coughlin
It's a power trip, man.
tim pool
For tribal reasons, the left has to support it.
And so they all just like, clap.
seamus coughlin
Eliminate Greg.
Just in unison, they're like, goodbye Greg.
tim pool
Greg is racist.
seamus coughlin
We just started cancelling people.
Like, people fall so in line with the narrative that you can't find anyone to cancel.
So they just have to randomly select people for cancelling.
And like, everyone's like wearing their like, cult hoods.
They're like, cancel Greg.
tim pool
You have to clap.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
No, you have to snap.
tim pool
Cancel Greg.
seamus coughlin
You have to snap.
Snap?
Clapping.
You remember?
lydia smith
Do jazz hands?
seamus coughlin
Clapping?
Yeah, yeah.
You have to do jazz hands and you have to snap.
It's called a soy clap.
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
It's a soy clap.
When you clap between words.
unidentified
Is that?
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
I've seen that.
Cancel Greg.
seamus coughlin
But let me tell you, I have to be honest, that does make me appreciate someone's opinion more.
When they have claps between it, I'm like, this guy, he knows something that I don't.
tim pool
What is the clapping thing and why do people do it?
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
I think it's just a cool guy thing.
unidentified
I'm making noise.
tim pool
Or are they like singing?
unidentified
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
You're being loud like, I think this thing.
unidentified
I always imagine it like they're going like, Donald Trump has got to go.
tim pool
Like they're clapping along to the music, you know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
It could be.
I was guilty of it earlier.
I think when I was telling people to smash the like button, I was doing a little bit of a clap.
It just gets the people going.
Smash the like button!
And they do it because you clap and that means you have authority.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Clapping.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Yeah, clap on, clap off.
seamus coughlin
Please clap.
lydia smith
Please clap.
seamus coughlin
We could have had you all, it's all we had to do is clap, but now we don't have Jeb Bush.
tim pool
Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Yes, sir?
tim pool
Have you been following the news on Project Veritas?
seamus coughlin
No, I have not.
I know, I've been, I've been bad.
I've been behind.
I've been traveling so much lately, it's just... Sleeping under a rock, this guy!
I know, I know.
I really, I just haven't been sleeping is the thing.
lydia smith
That's the issue.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
So the story from Project Veritas.
They sued the New York Times, right?
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
And they won a major victory.
seamus coughlin
Really?
tim pool
The case is not over.
Oh, boy.
So I think James mentioned that there's only been, like, in the past 80 years, something like eight lawsuits that have made it past a motion to dismiss.
Here's what happens.
seamus coughlin
Wait, eight lawsuits against the New York Times.
tim pool
There's something called anti-SLAPP, Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation.
When you sue a prominent news organization or public figure, you have a, it's called an actual malice standard, meaning you had to have known what you said was false or what you wrote was false, which is almost impossible to do.
seamus coughlin
Very difficult.
I think we've talked about this before.
You really can't prove that somebody knew what they were saying.
tim pool
How do you read their mind?
seamus coughlin
It's really difficult to prove intent, in general.
tim pool
However, if you can get past a motion to dismiss, you can go through their messages.
And you can put them under oath, which Veritas now will be able to do.
seamus coughlin
Oh boy!
They didn't clear their inboxes at the New York Times, I hope!
tim pool
They've been instructed to preserve all data and communications.
seamus coughlin
Did they smash their cell phones with hammers and delete all 30,000 emails?
I'm sorry.
tim pool
Do you want to know what the best part about this lawsuit is?
The defense the New York Times had to get James O'Keefe's lawsuit dismissed was that their factual news articles are actually unverifiable opinions.
seamus coughlin
Really?
So they said the quiet part loud?
tim pool
I love it!
It was a defense.
They basically said, when we called Project Veritas deceptive, and, you know, said these things about him, those were just our writers' unverifiable opinions and are thus not actionable.
And the judge said, seems to me that if you're stating something is a factual news piece, but your reporters interject their opinions, you should be required to tell people it was an opinion piece.
seamus coughlin
But wait, Tim, if it's the opposite of Fact news.
What is that?
What's that called?
Opinion of the opposite fate.
There's another fake word fake, fake, some kind of fake news, fake news, which has been faked.
What is unbelievable CNN up?
I never thought I'd live to see the day.
tim pool
I know this, this, no, this is serious.
I mean, project Veritas may, may if they win and I think they, they will based on this preliminary ruling.
It sounds really good.
This could set precedent that could last for a hundred years.
seamus coughlin
That would be beautiful.
Yeah, I really did not, I did not agree with, um... No, never mind, sorry, I was about to make a comment about the New York Times.
Oh, this is New York Times, or is this CNN?
Sorry, I'm all over the place right now.
Yeah, I didn't agree with New York Times, uh, you know, opinion pieces on the, uh, Holodomor, either.
Really weird, going back a long time.
Oh, those opinion pieces, yeah.
Yeah, those opinion pieces were pretty bad.
That they got Pulitzer Prizes for?
For their opinions?
The Pulitzer Prize in opinion, sorry.
tim pool
So, the way the news has typically worked, and I've talked to lawyers about lawsuits, is they say, Tim, I'm sorry they smeared you, there's nothing you can do, it's an opinion.
And I was like, so you mean to tell me, if someone writes an article and says like, Ian is, you know, far right or whatever, They can publish that in a news article and just say, Ian Crossland, a far-right commenter, even though there's no factual basis to that, and they're like, it's their opinion.
And I was like, hold on.
If a news organization is claiming they're reporting facts, doesn't matter.
That phrase is an opinion.
And I'm like, how is this the way things work?
Veritas sues, and the judge said, if it's a fact-based news story, stands to reason, you have to tell people if it's actually an opinion piece when you put opinions in it.
That changes the whole game.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
So, like, if they were to say something which is objectively verifiable, so if they were to say, like, Seamus Coghlan has an IQ below 85 and I sued, well, they would win because that's actually true.
But, um, if they make, so I'm curious, if they make objective comments about a person beyond far right or far left, right?
Because these terms can be used any way you want to use them.
Where is the line drawn with opinion?
So, for example, if you were to say something like that, like, this person is stupid, or something where there's a set standard, though, where you made a comment about someone's IQ but in a disparaging way, but that's something that could actually be verified.
Would that be opinion, or have you sort of trespassed into the area of fact?
tim pool
It's actually really crazy what constitutes opinion and what constitutes fact.
So saying, like, Seamus Coghlan did a backflip, you know, off Tim's deck to the ground.
Yeah.
You did something that's a fact.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
If I said something like, Seamus Coghlan cheated at a game of chess, that's an opinion.
seamus coughlin
But hold on a second.
There are objective standards for whether a person cheats at chess, no?
First of all, I don't know how to play, right?
tim pool
So you know that I cheated.
I shouldn't say necessarily it's an opinion.
It's arguable.
So I went through this with a lawyer over a really old piece, and it's basically like, well, what does cheated mean?
Define cheated.
seamus coughlin
Like, broke the rules.
tim pool
Or changed the rules to benefit himself.
Or, in some way, took an action unbecoming of the traditional... It's like... White supremacist.
Define white supremacist.
seamus coughlin
I would say Trump supporter.
tim pool
So if you call someone a white supremacist, it's actually a non-actionable opinion.
seamus coughlin
Really?
Yeah, so I knew that that was true with labels like extremist.
I was unaware that calling someone a white supremacist is just a matter... I knew it was often times just used as an opinion and no one was really using an objective definition, but my understanding is that's an actual label.
tim pool
Here's the issue.
seamus coughlin
Or like, far right.
Dude, I'm so old, I remember when you had to be conservative in order to be considered far right.
Crazy.
tim pool
Right.
So, there was an article that came out a while ago, and I was talking to a lawyer about it.
They called someone a white supremacist, and they said, define white supremacist.
And I said, well, I believe the academic definition is an individual who believes the white race is superior.
unidentified
And he said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
That's not the academic definition.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
The academic definition is about whiteness and privilege.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
That's college universities.
They say white supremacy is the structure of dominant racial hierarchies in society, which could include Asians or whatever.
And so they change the definition.
So if you go into court and say, Your Honor, he called me this and it's verifiably false, the individual will say, no, look, here's how we define it.
Here's how everyone believes it.
And because the media accepts the alternate definition, opinion.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Unverifiable opinion.
seamus coughlin
And then of course, yeah, they're not required to define their terms.
ian crossland
If I was like Seamus Coghlan, whose cartoons bore millions of people a month, would that be an opinion?
seamus coughlin
Well, that's a fact.
tim pool
Everybody just watches and they just have their eyes half closed.
seamus coughlin
That was anodyne enough for a like, and then they'll hit the like button.
ian crossland
But if I'm like Seamus Coghlan, who's white, who's racial supremacy... Who's white skin.
Then that's a fact?
Or that's also... No, it's an opinion.
seamus coughlin
No, if you call me white skin, that's just an opinion.
tim pool
A statement of fact would be Ian Crosland threw a baseball at a baseball game.
ian crossland
Oh, and it was either true or false.
tim pool
Right.
But the other ones are... Ian Crosland has a weak, sissy arm, is an opinion.
Ian Crossland, who has a weak sissy arm, threw a pathetic pitch at a baseball game.
seamus coughlin
All opinions.
tim pool
Unless you didn't actually throw the baseball.
It's just it's crazy that shops so I want to avoid getting into getting into
dangerous territory with YouTube because I want to make sure this is a
conversation people can hear but saying someone did something isn't always
statement of fact which is weird Really?
Like saying Ian Crosland cheated at a game of Magic the Gathering could be opinion.
ian crossland
Could be.
tim pool
That's dangerous. Could be. So if you were like you got caught and everyone saw you sliding cards in your deck or
something Or I could be like I saw him shuffle that one way and I say
in my expert opinion That was a cheating move or for instance, there's a there's
a move in magic. This is a good example It's a deck game where you shuffle cards, right?
For those that aren't familiar.
There was something going on where people would... So you can shuffle your opponent's deck to prevent them from cheating.
You can cut their deck.
So pros would hand their deck to the other player, the other player would shuffle it and hand it back.
There was one thing people would do where they would shuffle it but then keep the last card and throw it on top of the deck.
And they would see the bottom card was in fact a not good card.
Then the next turn the player would draw the bad card.
And so they said that was cheating.
Others argued that's not cheating.
You can cut the deck any way you want.
Information that's revealed because the card is visible is not.
seamus coughlin
This is where the problem comes in.
But you would actually so but it would only be opinion if that was what you were referring to as cheating if you were
Referring to something as cheating which is objectively agreed upon by everyone who plays the game as being against
the rules Then it would be a statement of fact
tim pool
No This is where the problem comes in that apparently
Opinion or fact has a lot to do with whether or not large large enough amounts of people agree with a certain
definition Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right, so if I said, you know, like what's something everyone agrees with?
If a name you could call somebody that meant something objective to every person,
which is hard to find.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Ian Crossland is a X.
And everyone's like, oh, an X is very clearly this thing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Then it would be like, well, if he's not, then you made that up.
The problem is, not everyone agrees on what things are, which makes it weird.
ian crossland
Honey is sweet.
And that could be a fact, but not everyone's gonna taste sweetness when they taste honey.
tim pool
That, I think, would be a fact.
Because of the high sugar content.
ian crossland
There's so many people.
tim pool
But think about people saying things like male and female don't exist.
seamus coughlin
Uh-oh.
ian crossland
Right.
seamus coughlin
I mean, that is objectively not, that is an anti-factual statement.
That's just, that is fake news.
ian crossland
That's the problem.
seamus coughlin
But of course, but yeah, I agree that generally it's, it's a, it's a matter of consensus.
It shouldn't be.
So like, yes, practically speaking, I mean, there are facts, there are moral truths, which are objective, but we operate in a culture where many people believe many different things.
And so of course there, we don't have the sort of thing like hegemonic narrative that we might have surrounding gender that we did in a time where things made a little bit more sense with respect to our sexual politics.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Think about religion.
It's a really good, really good, good context.
Like, uh, how, how, how, how is the Pope defined?
Like in terms of his position?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, he's the vicar of Christ.
tim pool
So imagine someone who's not religious would say, that's, that's fake.
unidentified
That's not true.
seamus coughlin
That's not true.
tim pool
That's fake.
So then how could you prove defamation based on that?
seamus coughlin
So, but here's where you do get into a matter of fact.
So, if you were to say, like, if a non-religious person is to say that, like, they don't believe the Pope is, you know, the successor of Peter and Christ's vicar on earth, that's one thing.
But then if they were to say, like, Catholics do not teach that the Pope is Christ's vicar.
Right.
Now you're talking about something that, like, we can—the first—I believe it is a fact that the Pope is Christ's vicar on earth, but if we're getting into something that everyone agrees is factual, you just look at what the Church teaches, and if you're saying the Church teaches X when it objectively teaches Y, then you are lying.
And so this is something that happened, like, Joe Biden was repeatedly referred to—I've said this before on the show—but he was repeatedly referred to by the media as a practicing Catholic.
That's a great point.
That's exactly it.
does not meet the criteria for what is considered a practicing Catholic based
on the definition that the Catholic Church sets because one of the
conditions is you have to give full assent to Catholic teaching, which Joe
Biden objectively does not.
ian crossland
But in the eyes of a non-Catholic, he does enough.
And they're like, oh, it seems like he's practicing.
They don't even know what the word practicing means.
seamus coughlin
The word practicing Catholic means exactly, but practicing Catholic.
So if they were to say like, he is a devout person or holy man, well, those
are, those are more subjective, but practicing Catholic is a technical term.
It's not a subjective label of identity.
tim pool
Now what if what if someone said in an article Ian Crossland comma who is objectively factually the Antichrist comma was seen shopping for a new pair of jeans today.
Total opinion.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, yes.
tim pool
It's a faith-based thing.
They can't say your lines.
seamus coughlin
So then here's the question, though.
tim pool
Weird stuff.
seamus coughlin
Are you allowed to throw around words like, objectively, if you're acknowledging that you're only speaking an opinion?
tim pool
You are.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
It's the weirdest thing.
seamus coughlin
So I would say, like, Ian is objectively a white supremacist.
That's just opinion.
tim pool
Yes.
Because define white supremacist.
seamus coughlin
I told you, Trump voter.
tim pool
If you have a critical race theory definition of white supremacist, then yes, Ian is.
ian crossland
New facts emerged showing that I think Tim's a big jerk.
seamus coughlin
That's an opinion!
And of course, the trade-off that they have to come to terms with, but won't, is that when words become so subjectively defined, they no longer carry the same weight.
So for years and years and years, the word racist was thrown around like it was nothing, and then probably around the time the 2016 election came around, and this is not an original observation, other people have said this, They realized that the word racist just wasn't cutting it anymore.
So you'll notice like it was right around 2017 when they started calling everyone white supremacist instead because it's a much more objective sounding term than racist and also it's one that can only apply to white people or people who are in favor of this structure of whiteness or whatever you would call it.
unidentified
Right.
And now that seems to have lost all meaning so I think the next term they've sort of moved towards is incitement to
seamus coughlin
violence, right?
Like oh if you agree with what Trump said or did or you promote his movement that is incitement towards violence
And that's something they've sort of been doing for a long time critical
Theorists have done this Oh, if you disagree with trans ideology, then you are inciting violence against trans people because hate crimes occur against them, and that's the result of the fact that you're creating a culture of hatred, etc.
But it's so easy to make that argument for any group of people.
For example, I could say, well, veterans have a very high suicide rate, so, you know, criticizing U.S.
foreign policy probably makes a lot of them feel horrible about their experience overseas, so you're contributing to their suicide rate.
You can play these same games with any group you want.
tim pool
So imagine a journalist emails you and they're like, hey, Seamus, we want to just get some some comments from you real quick about the story we're working on.
seamus coughlin
Delete is what I do.
tim pool
Just a real quick question.
Would you be in favor of, you know, say people pooling their resources to try and improve technology towards newer, cooler energy tech like fusion?
seamus coughlin
Seamus supports the Green New Deal.
tim pool
And then they would write, hold on.
You're like, oh, that sounds good.
Then they would write, Seamus Coughlin, a proponent of the Green New Deal, and you would say, that's not true.
I never supported that.
We asked him in email if he was in favor of supporting Green New Technology.
He said, yes.
So we call them a proponent of the Green New Deal.
seamus coughlin
Which to be fair, that is the one left-wing policy I do support.
We can't afford not to have a Green New Deal right now.
It's insane.
tim pool
Now here's the best part.
Because you just said that, you can never sue someone who claims you're a proponent of the Green New Deal.
seamus coughlin
Even though I'm just hashtag JK-ing?
tim pool
Doesn't matter.
seamus coughlin
Really?
So that does not hold up in a court of law?
tim pool
Joke's on you.
seamus coughlin
Dude, this is a new meme.
tim pool
If somebody wrote, Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes, who is a proponent of the Green New Deal, said today that blah blah blah, if you sued, they would show that clip where you said, it's the one thing I actually agree on, and the judge is gonna be like, I think a reasonable person can conclude you were joking, but you can't hold them responsible for not understanding that.
seamus coughlin
You can't expect the media to be reasonable people, so we're gonna let them off the hook here.
tim pool
There's a possibility that they'll say a reasonable person would have understood the joke and thus they shouldn't have, but I think actually a reasonable judge would say, you can't just assume someone understands your intent.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
If you say something and someone takes it literally... So everything everyone has ever joked about really could just be literal.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And the issue then becomes cultural enforcement as to whether or not you hold institutions credible based on what they say.
seamus coughlin
So the question is, what if I'm playing a character in a movie?
Does Jeff Goldblum actually believe life will find a way?
tim pool
So, the issue then goes to the actual malice standard.
If there's a clip of you, and you say something like, the Green New Deal is the best!
I absolutely am in favor of this, and it turned out to be a... Tim, now you can say it about you too!
Oh, of course, but I...
I like the real Green New Deal, not the AOC Green New Deal, which is a cult manifesto.
So I actually do like the idea of infrastructure investment and new technologies.
I don't like AOC's version, which is some kind of weird cult manifesto about equity and healthcare and paying people who don't want to work.
That's garbage nonsense.
But before the Green New... Now we're getting to the Green New Deal.
seamus coughlin
Well, she's the boss, dude.
She's the boss.
So you come up with your own plan, and until then, listen.
tim pool
If someone writes a story about you saying you support the Green New Deal, and they see a clip from a movie of you saying it, You can't prove actual malice because they'll say look I
realize after the fact he doesn't but at the time I genuinely thought it was true based on what I what if you
ian crossland
kill someone a movie and they say a known murderer We're actually not that far from that happening though is
unidentified
the problem What about, um... Actual malice standard!
seamus coughlin
Oh, come on!
unidentified
Something's wrong.
tim pool
You have to prove they knew the- I know!
seamus coughlin
So, you have- They could have just gotten the clip.
tim pool
So, I'm sure there are some lawyers who might have, like, listen, this is mostly just based off my experience.
I'm not a lawyer.
My understanding is, the challenge is proving actual malice.
Meaning, if Ian says Seamus did something, Seamus has to prove Ian knew beforehand what he was saying was false.
If someone says, here's the clip we saw of Seamus shooting a rocket launcher into a building full of nuns, then people would be like, well, a reasonable person might conclude that didn't happen.
seamus coughlin
Well, hold on.
But can we now say, Tim Pool, who falsely accused Seamus of shooting a rocket launcher into a group of nuns earlier this week, he calls himself a journalist and he spread this fake news.
So what about Ed Norton?
Can we say that he is a white supremacist?
You can call anyone a white supremacist, I guess, but could you call him a neo-Nazi?
Is neo-Nazi an actual defined term?
Opinion.
Nazi opinion what if you say like curb-stomp somebody killed them because he did it in a movie
unidentified
I think you chose to portray a known Nazi or what if you don't?
seamus coughlin
What do you have to say?
tim pool
Here's what it ultimately comes down to, whether or not the judge thinks you're being reasonable or absurd.
The problem is, with Times v. Sullivan, you have an actual malice standard, which means knowing that what you're saying is false.
That's a really hard thing to prove.
seamus coughlin
Yes, extremely difficult.
tim pool
So the New York Times fought Project Veritas.
In a ridiculous way, saying, our fact-based news, it was actually unverifiable opinion and thus is not actionable.
And the judge was like, yo, this is not an opinion section.
So what you're saying is taken as fact by most people.
It doesn't matter.
This is the importance of the Veritas ruling.
They're basically saying, your opinions are purported as facts because of the New York Times.
Therefore, you lose the protections of the opinion standard.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
But the NYT, of course, is saying, actually, we are, as a matter of fact, opinion journalists, no?
tim pool
That was their defense, and then the judge responded.
The New York Times responded that their fact-based news article about Veritas was actually unverifiable opinion.
And the judge then said, Okay.
While typically, opinions, you can't sue for someone's opinion, you put them in a fact-based news article.
If I say, so this is where it gets interesting, this article is 100% fact.
Ian Crossland is a lying thief.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Then they can be like, that's actually your opinion.
If I said this is my opinion, Ian Crossland is a lying thief.
Then they can't sue me.
ian crossland
And if you do a fact-based article with 99% facts and then one opinion, the entire article becomes an opinion piece?
tim pool
And it must be labeled as such.
So this is why Veritas is so important.
Because in the past, when I've talked about libel suits, every lawyer says, it's an opinion you can't sue.
And I'm like, they straight up accused me of doing a thing.
No, it's an opinion you can't defend.
seamus coughlin
They said they murdered orphans.
tim pool
But you can't define some of these terms like causing hurt or violence or incitement.
All of these things are interpretable.
So you can't win.
With this new ruling, it changes the game.
Veritas opened the door.
seamus coughlin
So here's a question.
You mentioned that the article can be 99% fact-based.
And if it's one- like Snopes would sign off on all of it.
But if there's one part which is opinion, now the whole thing is an opinion piece.
tim pool
But- Has to be labeled opinion.
seamus coughlin
But, okay, but what if the opinion is really- like what if you're listing facts and then at the end you're like, yes, this did happen, there was this scandal with the Biden administration, blah blah blah, and then at the end you're like, I enjoy grapes.
They taste good.
And it's an obvious opinion, or like if at some point in the article something comes up which is your opinion, but isn't quite related.
Maybe you're setting up the story, but everything else is fact-based.
Now the whole thing is an opinion piece, and I can say whatever I want?
Fascinating.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
You can't say things you know to be false.
seamus coughlin
Are my cartoons opinion?
Or did those happen?
ian crossland
Dude, you make a good point.
seamus coughlin
Because I'm pretty tired right now.
ian crossland
Just like movies.
tim pool
Was Joe Biden, what was your latest one?
seamus coughlin
Joe Biden stutter.
Please check that out if you're watching.
So I don't know if you guys know this, but Joe Biden, it's not that his brain isn't functioning well and he's not fit to be the leader of the free world.
He actually has a stutter because that's how stuttering works.
Yeah.
So I did a video on Joe Biden's speech therapy class.
I think you guys are really going to enjoy it.
He gets the stutter worked out.
It's, it's, it's just a gut busting laugh fest.
Yeah.
Yes.
Laugh fest from start to end.
I did a video of him in math class as well.
tim pool
You know, I think, I think the funniest thing to like in terms of Biden is talking about putting the razor blade in the barrel.
seamus coughlin
That's the best.
Tim and I have a bit that we're, I don't want to spoil it, but we have, we're probably gonna do a freedom tune based on another one.
It was too good.
Before the show, we were talking about Biden as we always do.
ian crossland
My opinion is it was a good idea.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
ian crossland
Hey, you made a great point about movies and how if an actor does something in a movie, it doesn't mean that they did it in real life because this is a TV show.
Whether you want to, I don't know if people realize or not, we're on TV right now doing characters on a show.
This is not how I am when we sit around a table and eat dinner.
We're elevated versions of ourselves.
tim pool
So is all social media.
So if it was a movie clip of someone doing something, it would be reckless disregard.
seamus coughlin
But that was just your opinion when you said that malice is the standard, so really, you're not wrong, it was just your opinion.
tim pool
Yeah exactly, it was my expert opinion.
I did not actually know it wasn't true, so it's not equitable.
ian crossland
My point is this is a TV show.
We've entered a new stage of art creation where social media is an art form.
We're becoming heightened artistic characters that we're creating and we're projecting.
So how can you prove any of this stuff is really who we are, what we say on social media?
tim pool
Ian's not real.
seamus coughlin
He's an astral projection.
ian crossland
Figments of Jack's imagination.
tim pool
He's an astral projection.
ian crossland
I have come here to warn you.
Be good to each other.
Now is the time.
We're fractals of the greater whole.
So I'm wondering... Interesting.
seamus coughlin
Is that a fact?
Let's get Snopes in here.
Are we fractals of the greater whole?
I would say no.
Let's see what Snopes has to say.
ian crossland
It's the holographic universe.
tim pool
I would love Snopes to fact check.
Is Ian Crossland from Timcast IRL an astral projection of figment of Jack's imagination?
ian crossland
False!
unidentified
Partly true!
ian crossland
Although he is from the outer-verse and has inhabited the body.
tim pool
He does have a physical form in this reality.
seamus coughlin
I don't know, has Snopes actually verified that Ian has physical form?
ian crossland
No, no.
I'm in contact with them about that.
I wonder if we'll be able to prove that anyone that did anything on social media was not a character they created.
seamus coughlin
They weren't doing a bit.
My whole Twitter is a bit at this point.
ian crossland
My YouTube channel basically was.
I mean, I believed a lot of it, but I said it in a crazy character way.
seamus coughlin
That is an age-old defense though.
Like I was just kidding and sometimes people abuse that it's like you weren't kidding I but also it's hard to know because sometimes you'll make a really obvious joke people like can you believe he said that?
I was joking and they're like, dude, you're falling back and it was just a joke.
Come on.
tim pool
I just don't care anymore I tweeted today is 4-5 Which will now be known as Trump Day in honor of the 45th president.
It got like a thousand tweets That is literally a joke.
I just thought it was funny because I do the dates for when I'm making playlists and I'm
like oh it's 4-5.
Oh 45.
It's Trump day.
And I'm like I'm tweeting that.
People are like, a lot of people are just laughing.
And then I tweeted, welcome to Twitter, enjoy your stay here.
So it's just, there are these people, I mentioned the hooping thing when Jack Posobiec posted the clip of George Floyd saying he was hooping.
I responded with the Urban Dictionary entry for what hooping is saying, don't forget to get your hooping mug.
It's a joke, the whole thing was a joke.
Because Urban Dictionary says it's, you know, shoving stuff up your bum.
seamus coughlin
Oh, gross.
tim pool
But it says at the bottom, get your hooping mug.
On Urban Dictionary.
And then these people were like, Tim, you know, this is why people think the right is so racist.
Cause you know, they say things like this or whatever.
And then someone was like, Tim claims is from the hood, but doesn't know what hooping means.
And I'm like, no, it's a joke.
You like, you're the kind of people who thought my impeach the queen tweet was real.
This is what, so I don't even care.
What are you going to do?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Reckless disregard of the truth.
At this point, we have a faction of people who are so unable to empathize and understand humor.
How could the reckless disregard standard even hold?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so I know these fellas at this publication called The Babylon Bee, and they're very, you know, like, they're handsome, but they're very slow, and I try to explain things to them.
No, they're both great, actually, but I'm not sure if you guys have heard, but Snopes has fact-checked them in the past.
That's been a really big problem.
Then what happens is they're demoted in the algorithm because they're considered to be fake news, even though it's obvious satire.
And people, I did a video on this a while ago, but They had this really bogus study where they said that some large percentage of conservatives believe that Babylon Bee headlines were factual.
But the way they arrived at that number is they took Babylon Bee headlines, removed them from the context of being published by a satirical outlet, and reworded them in a way to make them sound like they were serious.
So there was one headline and it was something like, The evidence against Russiagate was put there to test our faith.
It was like an obvious joke, right?
And it's a caricature of the creationist argument that fossils are put there to test our faith.
And they reworded it to be like, this media pundit said that his faith in Russiagate is unshakable and no evidence could change his mind.
It's like, okay, well, you've totally changed it.
So that's where it gets really dangerous with fact-checking and the fact that people Get a lot of leniency who actual journalists will get this leniency that comedians and satirists on the right won't get.
tim pool
Right.
Yeah, like, the articles in question would say something like, you know, it was like, AOC stands atop her desk and proclaims her support for communism to much fanfare, then flags drop down and the Soviet anthem plays.
And then they would reword it to be like, AOC announces that she's forming the Communist Party.
And it's like, people would be like, oh wow, that sounds like real news.
But it was like, the actual context was absurdity.
They stripped out the absurdity to make it factual news that could be real.
Like, Seamus Coghlan goes for a walk with a dog, when the actual article was, Seamus Coghlan walks world's giant dog, you know, clipping a big red dog.
Clearly false.
seamus coughlin
And this is funny, so I was actually just going to pull up, I wrote this, it's been probably about two years, but it's probably been about two years, so I was pulling up the script on my Google Drive, so I can pull some of the examples up, but just to verify that it was just friendly ribbing, I just got an email from Ethan, so we don't actually hate each other, as I was checking.
No, no, I love those guys.
ian crossland
Great article.
seamus coughlin
They are, so basically they reworded, yeah so the article, it was yeah, CNN, God allowed the Mueller report to test our unshakable faith in collusion was reworded as CNN anchor Anderson Cooper said his belief that Trump colluded with Russia is unshakable, it will not change regardless of statements or evidence to the contrary.
unidentified
That actually sounds like something.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
And so they published this whole study about how people are buying into fake news as if it's fact, despite the fact that this is obvious satire and basically everyone knows it.
And so, yeah, it's extremely upsetting and it's totally one sided because it never happens the other way.
Well, I mean, again, even actual publications, like, well, let's not call New York Times an actual publication.
But people who purport to be telling the truth in a fact-based manner are given this leniency, or they are at least attempting to get the kind of leniency that satire websites on the right don't get.
tim pool
I would say at this point, based on the ruling from this judge, that it is a fact that the New York Times injects opinions and masquerades as factual.
The New York Times masquerades as a fact-based news outlet, when in fact, it's publishing opinion pieces under the guise of fact.
seamus coughlin
So there's this guy.
I don't know if you guys know him.
He's like Michael Malice, Michael Malice, Michael Malice.
I think you guys might be friends with him.
He has said some things.
ian crossland
Malice.
seamus coughlin
He has said some things.
which suggests he's kind of doesn't like the new york times or uh anything sure about that yeah so
i would just look into it to what he's written about this stuff because he seems this guy this
michael malice guy saying he doesn't think nyt is that great so i would just shout out michael too
much michael malice michael malice That's why I tried to say his name wrong.
I was like, I can't keep... He was on the show last Thursday.
lydia smith
Yeah, he was.
seamus coughlin
He was great.
tim pool
We literally, like, shout him out, like, three times a week.
ian crossland
He's very funny.
And also a writer.
His new book will be coming out soon.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Now he gets another shout out.
ian crossland
Michael Malice!
unidentified
Alright, alright.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
We love you, Michael.
Super Chats!
Uh, let's see.
So, as per usual, the YouTube... Oh, we got the tinfoil gorilla.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Did you guys see it?
It's in the chat.
It's pinned.
I finally put up the tinfoil gorilla thing.
It's the tinfoil gorilla shirt.
He's a gorilla.
It's got black tacks instead of white tacks, and he's wearing the tinfoil hat.
And, um, it's only going to be up for a little while.
So this is a limited edition.
We're going to do the tinfoil hat, because basically I decided We were wondering whether we would do the tinfoil hat.
And I was like, ah, let's just do the regular gorilla.
So we have the graphic.
And then I mentioned it.
I was like, we'll put it up at some point.
And then I never did.
And then I finally did.
So it's there now.
You can buy it.
And it will probably not be up for longer than like a week or two, just because I figured this won't be special.
ian crossland
So he's able to reflect electromagnetic frequency off of his head and protect his brain.
Theoretically.
tim pool
No, no, because electromagnetic waves can actually go through your body and up your skull.
And then what it does is it actually makes it bounce around more.
ian crossland
Evolution.
tim pool
Yeah, people don't realize that it actually creates a dome that, like a satellite dish, it captures the waves.
unidentified
I like it.
tim pool
So anyway, let's read some Super Chats.
We got one, but I can't read it.
ian crossland
People were thinking about your beanie then, just by the way.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
I can't read the name because YouTube is blocking it, but they say, can't wait for you and B Tatum, only two I joined membership with.
That's gonna be a lot of fun.
ian crossland
Brandon Tatum?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Your mom says, who would win the fist fight, Joe Biden or Bill Clinton?
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Seamus?
seamus coughlin
That's a tough one.
I mean, Bill's younger, right?
Good deal older.
I think, yeah, who is older at this point, actually?
Bill Clinton age.
Let's see if I get a factor in opinion.
Bill Clinton's 74.
And Joe Biden?
unidentified
78.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I guess Joe Biden is older than me.
tim pool
Bill Clinton would bop him one and win because he's got four years, man.
seamus coughlin
Joe, we're gonna put our fist up.
Yeah, I think that, I think, but it's hard because the last time I saw a picture of Bill Clinton, he looked like, neither of these men are in good shape.
I'm not sure.
I don't, I don't think the victory would exactly be impressive, but I think that Joe Biden would probably lose.
I don't think Joe, well, here's the thing.
So Joe, we know that Joe knows how to street fight, right?
Like he has a razor, he puts it in a rain barrel, bangs it on the cement, gets it rusty.
unidentified
Tenacity.
brings i'm a rap this chain around your head right in bill wright would be
seamus coughlin
helping him uh... but but bill clinton is younger and has i think a little bit
more energy and also he could he survived being married to a recluse i
just i don't think that's an asset yeah i i think that he's uh...
unidentified
i think he's probably got the edge here by this got the reach
ian crossland
because one arms yeah Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but Bill's probably got some crazy Kama Sutra Kung Fu or something, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
He's ready to tangle.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's been doing it his whole life.
tim pool
He'll be like, let me show you how I do it, Bill!
Since college.
I mean, Joe!
seamus coughlin
Let's go, let's get in a fight!
Let me show you how I do it!
My hair and legs!
Now, of course, this is factual and not opinion-based, so you can quote me on the note.
tim pool
Alright.
ian crossland
That was the way you phrased it.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Logan Sisko says, IRL crew, Crowder made me think last week.
Why is the left saying only cops need guns, but also ACAB?
Also, Portnoy Pool 2024.
lydia smith
I like that ticket.
tim pool
I don't know about that one.
Dave's cool, though, but I'm not running for office.
Yeah, because there's no logic.
There's only tribalism.
Listen, if you're like, the people here I believe all operate on principles.
Where it's like, I don't care about which tribe it is, I care about whether it's right or wrong and we'll like, you know, make things better.
And then you have some people who are just like, I wanna win!
And I'm just gonna be on the side of the winner.
So, they're simultaneously like, only the cops should have guns!
seamus coughlin
Only the social workers should have guns too.
lydia smith
That's right, that's right, yeah.
tim pool
They're basically cops.
seamus coughlin
That's the social worker thing is so funny because you would just end up creating a two-tier system which would in practice end up being way more racist because the phone calls the social workers would probably be more likely to happen in neighborhoods where you have like these Karens calling the police on everyone and they'd send social workers out.
So it would be it would be areas where there's less violent crime getting a lot of the social workers and you'd create sort of like a two-tier system where impoverished neighborhoods were policed by actual cops and like wealthier neighborhoods and white neighborhoods just got these cushy social workers.
tim pool
Have you done a cartoon on the social workers responding to crimes?
seamus coughlin
I have not.
That might be something, that might be fun.
tim pool
There's like a city burning down in a violent fire and there's like a criminal, he's holding people hostage.
CALL THE SOCIAL WORKER!
Alright, FishB84U says, Yes, Seamus, I love Freedom Tunes.
Did a binge watch on the debunkers earlier today.
seamus coughlin
Thank you!
Thank you.
Keep watching this.
We're going to be producing more.
We had a hiccup with the production of one that I was hoping to release this month, but we might get it out later.
They've been a lot of fun, and I enjoy making them.
So thank you so much.
tim pool
QuietGuitaristFan says, should make a shirt with Ian that says, you could make that out of graphene.
Also, correction from Friday, Christ was crucified on Friday and died on Friday.
Is that true?
seamus coughlin
Yes, yeah.
Good Friday.
tim pool
Oh wow.
ian crossland
You can make a lot of stuff out of graphene.
lydia smith
That's true, yeah.
tim pool
Ian's Minute of Graphene.
ian crossland
It might not be wrong.
tim pool
We are carbon, actually.
All right, Chris Blank Production says, will you be posting your segments from your other channels on your website soon?
They're there already.
Just at the bottom.
You scroll down and the other segments are actually there.
ian crossland
So it's the last guy's chat.
So Jesus was crucified and died within the same day.
I thought he hung there for days.
seamus coughlin
No, no, he died.
So it was common for people who were victims of crucifixion to hang there for days, but Jesus did not.
He died the same day.
They were particularly brutal to him in a way that they generally were not to people who they crucified.
So part of the punishment with crucifixion is that you would hang there and you would just have your face pecked off by crows.
It was horrible.
But no, he died quickly because of how harsh and brutal they were to him, and he gave up his spirit, and then they went and stabbed him.
Also, one thing they would do to speed the crucifixion up, which they didn't do to Jesus, but did to the two thieves on the cross next to him, is they would break the legs too, so that they would just go down and then suffocate.
Because when you're crucified, You have to prop yourself up to get oxygen into your lungs, and so you will die of asphyxiation once you get weak enough to just hang there, which is, you know, that's going beyond the unbelievably excruciating pain you're in.
And yeah, they would just come up and crack people's legs if they wanted to speed the process up, so they couldn't prop themselves up and get air.
lydia smith
It was prophesied they wouldn't break any bones.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, they wouldn't break any bones.
But they did pierce him through his heart, and yeah, water and blood came out.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
I don't like that.
Support policing in general.
We need it.
Tim I'm a cop, things have gone crazy and the environment we work in is very hostile
towards us.
The George Floyd trial will only cause more problems for us all.
unidentified
I don't like that.
ian crossland
Support policing in general, we need it.
But of course, it's a big conversation.
tim pool
Alla Gaming Channel says, Hey man, say man stop hating on Bible man.
That's my guy.
It took me this long to say this because I'm never able to catch the stream.
Stop hating on Bibleman.
ian crossland
Was that a show?
lydia smith
Do you know who Bibleman is?
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
I never saw it, but I've seen little bits and pieces.
This was like, wait, was Bibleman, was this live action or was this animated?
This is animated, right?
So this is the 90s.
It was a 3D thing.
Yes.
I'm for that.
I never saw any of it, but I definitely.
tim pool
All right.
Sekantia says, okay, here's 50 from Allie.
Now read it.
How about LEO YouTubers, law enforcement officer YouTubers, like Donut Operator, Officer 401, Angry Cops, or Mike the Cop, an experienced POV for LEO and some good input on cops among all this LEO tension and misconception as an excellent idea.
I'm familiar with Donut Operator.
I'm not familiar with the others, but I'd love- How about Brandon Tatum?
ian crossland
What's up?
lydia smith
How about Brandon Tatum?
unidentified
I know.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
But I think Donut Operator would be cool too.
I've seen his videos.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I've seen some of their stuff.
I think Mike the Cop isn't a cop anymore though, right?
But he's still a law enforcement YouTuber.
tim pool
Aren't they all?
lydia smith
I think so.
seamus coughlin
Are they all retired?
Yeah.
I just imagine, I mean, who would want to do that job anymore?
tim pool
I just like Donut Operator.
It's a great name.
seamus coughlin
That is a great name.
That is a fantastic name.
tim pool
Very self-aware name.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Having fun with it.
Troy Dunham says, Hey Seamus, love your channel.
What is your take on the media blackout of the April 2nd insurrection on the Capitol?
seamus coughlin
Oh, I'm not familiar.
The media was so blacked out that I didn't even get a word on it.
But God bless you.
I'm glad you support my work and appreciate it.
tim pool
That was the Farrakhan guy.
lydia smith
Yeah, that was the Farrakhan guy.
seamus coughlin
Also a supporter of Louis Farrakhan.
That's weird.
Why would the media talk about that?
lydia smith
Why are you not talking about it?
seamus coughlin
Insurrection?
Isn't that a threat to our democracy?
Weird.
tim pool
This is very dangerous to our democracy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, Crimson7 says, you guys are awesome.
Thanks for helping me get to know the lies and truths spread by media.
If the other people like me want to talk political and culture, I have a Twitch at Crimson27 where I like to talk about ideas normally on around 11 p.m.
Central Time.
unidentified
Hey, there you go.
Nice.
tim pool
AcesMaven says, glad to see Seamus on the show again.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
I really enjoy Freedom Tunes.
Maybe you can look into Kayvon Comedy as a possible future guest.
We'll check it out.
Find someone to replace Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Are you just done with me through with me?
Yeah, same breath.
He's like, now Seamus is great, but let me tell you about this other guy.
tim pool
Hey, Fat Freddy's Cat says, Tim, check out the opening of the new skate park in Des Moines, Iowa.
Dew Tour will be there.
It would be a cool thing if you were there, and I work too much, so that won't happen.
lydia smith
That's cool, though.
unidentified
Holograms.
tim pool
Holograms.
Astral projections.
unidentified
Simple holograms.
tim pool
All right.
Jerk Emperor says, I don't know how much more negatively I can handle.
How negatively I can handle.
I'm horrible because I'm male.
Oppressed because I'm black.
And now I just outright suck because I'm a Trevor.
I didn't pick that name, guys.
Sounds like TimCast.com is anti-Trevor.
lydia smith
I'm sorry, Trevor.
tim pool
Somebody super chatted saying Trevor sucks.
It was just like as a general.
And so we started joking like Trevor's the worst.
seamus coughlin
Dude, I like Trevor.
tim pool
Hold on.
seamus coughlin
I like Trevor.
ian crossland
You know, I do too.
tim pool
Trevor's great.
seamus coughlin
Trevor's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, who said Trevor was bad?
unidentified
They're bad.
seamus coughlin
Why would you do that?
This is TrevorCast IRL.
So we're all about it.
ian crossland
Males and people that identify as black.
Those people are awesome.
unidentified
People are awesome.
lydia smith
Especially Trevor's.
tim pool
Agreed.
unidentified
Alright, alright.
tim pool
Jack Daw says, I would like to file a complaint over our pillow.
The quality was too high.
seamus coughlin
I bought...
tim pool
I bought the one off Teespring as a gag for a friend.
Come to find out it's decent.
What the hell?
I thought I was buying burlap and peanuts.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing, what keeps you up isn't the pillow, it's the emptiness in your stomach under communism.
tim pool
The Teespring version was just the joke graphic, and then I decided to make the burlap sack with packing peanuts.
Which, we're gonna have to figure that one out, how to get it out.
The idea was to do something with Ryan Long where we would make this commercial.
But I think...
I don't know if the good pillow from David Hogg is actually going to happen.
ian crossland
And we need it to because the burlap is on standby.
tim pool
We do have them.
Have you seen our pillow?
seamus coughlin
I saw one.
It was actually in the room that I am crashing in.
It was right there.
I was very offended.
I got rid of it.
unidentified
I was like, I can't sleep on this pillow.
tim pool
It's got the fist holding the pillow.
Let's see.
Zachariah Kitzman says, Cop here.
Most policies are open-ended to leave liability on the officer and not the department.
I.e.
if a school shooting happens, the department can't mandate I go in because if I'm in, if I'm injured, it's on them.
And then the cop gets sued for not going in.
Isn't that amazing?
All right, let's see where we're at.
Ryan M. Prower says, Just got out of the military, but a week before I did, we went through that extremism training.
I don't have enough room to summarize it here, but it was unnerving how the brief went and what the message was.
I just wanted to let... And then it cuts off right there.
seamus coughlin
They found him.
tim pool
They found him.
seamus coughlin
They were like, stop typing that!
tim pool
You're coming back!
Can't they make you re-enlist?
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
Like if you're in for four years and you leave, they can reactivate you and force you to come back?
seamus coughlin
Maybe.
ian crossland
I don't know how that works.
tim pool
Pretty sure that's true.
lydia smith
I think I've heard of that.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
seamus coughlin
I mean, they can draft people.
They haven't done it in a long time, but it wouldn't completely shock me.
They could pull people back in.
lydia smith
I think it depends on your skill set.
tim pool
Nicholas Montiel says, last week a super chat said John the Baptist wrote the book of Revelation.
It was written by the Apostle John when he was in exile on Patmos.
Love you all.
Stoicism episode.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Ryan Holiday.
ian crossland
Yes.
Do you know who wrote Revelation?
John was not the Baptist.
It was a different John.
John of Atmos.
Is that what his name was?
Patmos.
tim pool
Patmos.
No, no, no.
It's Apostle John when he was in exile on Patmos.
ian crossland
And that's not the Baptist?
lydia smith
No, it's a different one.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Seamus, do you think that the vaccine passport is the Mark of the Beast?
Like Marjorie Taylor Greene?
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing.
The Mark of the Beast, like, low-church Protestants as a group, not always.
I love them.
Some of them are super good people.
I love them, but often we'll just kind of call anything the mark of the beast.
So basically everything that comes out.
The Babylon Bee also had a very funny article.
It's like the vaccine passport can now be like, like they're now offering the vaccine passport like on your hand or forehead.
unidentified
It's funny.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
I mean, people, there are so many things that people have said are the mark of the beast, I just tend to say, you know, I don't think so.
tim pool
What do you think is the mark of the beast, Super Chat?
seamus coughlin
Believe it or not, I don't think it's the end of times.
I think that's a typical view people take.
Everyone sort of thinks their generation is the last one.
I don't think so.
And also, like scripture says, no one knows the day nor the hour.
And it's very well possible that this is the end of the West as we know it, or the end of America, but it's not the end times.
There hasn't been worldwide apostasy.
There's been quite a lot of apostasy in the West, but in Africa and even in China, the church is growing.
tim pool
Yeah.
Kiwi2113 says, love it when Ian brings up Dune.
It is my ultimate favorite series.
It's an interesting look behind the curtain of government in space.
ian crossland
It was so good.
I read it when I worked at Ground Zero.
I would do 6 p.m.
to 6 a.m.
shifts Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and had a lot of time on my hands doing security.
And man, that book kept my attention.
tim pool
Eve Welcome says, Ian, you're adorable.
If I wasn't happily married, dot, dot, dot, wink.
unidentified
Eve!
seamus coughlin
Well, Eve, you shouldn't really be talking about people that way.
If you are happily married, please don't.
tim pool
She says, fellow Dune nerds unite.
seamus coughlin
Or if you're unhappy, even if you're unhappily married, you shouldn't talk about people like that.
ian crossland
You should show your husband Dune.
tim pool
She says, bless the maker and his water.
Bye, lol, kayfa.
What does that mean?
ian crossland
I think that's from Dude.
tim pool
I don't know.
unidentified
I read it.
seamus coughlin
By the way, I was not insinuating that she's not happily married.
Just please don't.
Even if you're unhappily married, don't say emotionally unfaithful things.
tim pool
Talbot Link says, y'all need to read Machiavelli's Art of War.
Very info-dense, two-part conversation that discusses a great many structures and behaviors can work as a short play.
It'll blow Ian's mind.
ian crossland
I didn't know Machiavelli did an Art of War.
I saw you have Art of War on your desk downstairs.
unidentified
Yeah.
Great.
ian crossland
I think that might be my little Art of War.
tim pool
Someone gave it to me.
ian crossland
I think Tiffany gave it to me.
seamus coughlin
Tim's favorite book.
He's always plugging it.
He's always telling me, read Art of War.
I still haven't read it.
ian crossland
Have you read through it yet?
tim pool
No.
Have you ever heard that story about that Chinese general who was completely outnumbered and had very little resources?
So he opened the gates to his fortress, climbed on top of the wall and started playing a lute or something.
And then when the enemy's army showed up, they were like, It's a trap!
Retreat now, man!
ian crossland
He's one of my heroes.
He was Lubez.
He invented the crossbow, the repeating crossbow.
tim pool
What else was he gonna do?
seamus coughlin
It's risky, but a lot of people would not do that.
ian crossland
It smelled like zoogilia.
tim pool
They thought it was a trap, so they were on that.
seamus coughlin
When YouTube trumps to demonetize me, that's what I do.
ian crossland
Dude, he's one of my idols.
Historical idols, that guy.
He's known as a genius, genius strategist and philosopher and artist.
seamus coughlin
That's an awesome story.
ian crossland
He was a farmer.
That story's great.
from public life and did not want to join and they sought him out and had to
go visit him three they called him the sleeping dragon the people were like you
gotta find this guy and he went he kept appealing to him like please join me and
he was like I and then he realized I have to I have no choice I'm being
called to service that story is great you'll love that guy I thought it was a
unidentified
trap yeah a genius That's right.
tim pool
I only read the first one.
And I'm fighting a sneeze right now.
seven book Dune series is amazing, truly great storytelling.
ian crossland
That's right.
I only read the first one.
tim pool
Ben Jammin says, remember when YouTube had five stars
out of likes and dislikes?
And I'm fighting a sneeze right now.
ian crossland
Oh, bless you.
tim pool
I'm not gonna sneeze.
seamus coughlin
I have some tissues for you, Tim.
ian crossland
You can breathe out your mouth really slow.
seamus coughlin
So I, today I am taking over, I am standing in for Tim who has to sneeze right now.
Today's show we're gonna be talking about.
tim pool
Normally I can fight it, but the sneeze got me.
seamus coughlin
Sorry, here's the thing.
I learned this recently.
I thought that everybody sneezed more easily when they were staring at light.
I know like staring into a light can induce sneezes for me, but for apparently that's not true for everybody.
lydia smith
Typically it's for people with light eyes.
seamus coughlin
Wow, okay.
So Tim, does like staring into the light help you sneeze or make you have to sneeze?
Okay.
ian crossland
I have a theory about that.
So when you have like bacteria or fungus in your wind canal and you stare into light, the light kills it and then your body expels it.
tim pool
I don't think that's true.
seamus coughlin
I think it just stimulates the nerve.
unidentified
That sounds like a New York Times opinion piece.
ian crossland
Yeah, opinion, by the way.
tim pool
Alright, I can't read Cyrillic, so I'll just read what they said.
E says, Dune is awesome.
Sci-fi TV series is a bit better than Lynch's movie, especially second installation.
Children of Dune that follows later books.
It shows that Paul, the protagonist of the first book, is not a hero of the story, but a villain.
Dude, did you guys see this new story from the New York Times?
About the Mario... This opinion piece?
The original Mario Bros.
found in a desk for over 35 years.
So 35 years ago, somebody bought an original Mario Bros.
NES and left it in their drawer and forgot about it for 35 years.
Whoa.
seamus coughlin
They got busy.
tim pool
They sold it for, I think, like $660,000.
What?
Oh, in the box?
Yeah, the best part.
No, sealed, shrink-wrapped and everything.
The best part was how the New York Times had to explain what the game was.
And they say, according to the instruction booklet, It is a game about two brothers, Mario and Luigi, who are
attempting to rescue Princess Toadstool after Bowser and his turtle army invaded the Mushroom
Kingdom, turning the people into bricks.
ian crossland
I didn't know that happened.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
And so Mario- Fake news. That's more NYT misleading nonsense.
tim pool
Check this out. Mario's literally going around punching bricks, shattering them, and then ripping the
things from their innards.
So there's mushroom people turned into bricks, and Mario punches them, shattering them to pieces,
And then the mushroom remnants come out and he eats it to grow.
seamus coughlin
That's crazy.
I didn't realize that that was the plot.
This sounds like opinion.
tim pool
Most people don't know that Mario punches bricks.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, his little hand is up there.
tim pool
His hand is up.
ian crossland
He jumps and punches the bricks.
I should clarify, it's Super Mario Bros.
Mario Bros.
was where Mario and Luigi were on one screen and the things keep coming out of the sides.
That's a fun game.
tim pool
That's in Mario 3, you can play that.
ian crossland
Oh, I love that game.
tim pool
Yeah, the arcade version.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Super Mario Bros.
ian crossland
Did you guys ever play Donkey Kong 3?
seamus coughlin
Oh boy, I hope you bring Donkey Kong up.
ian crossland
Where you jump up with a spray gun and you're spraying Donkey Kong's butt and he's like climbing up towards beehives and like he's knocking bees down at you.
seamus coughlin
I don't know what you're talking about.
It's so funny.
I mostly remember the original Donkey Kong, dude.
That game was awesome.
You jumping over barrels.
ian crossland
Donkey Kong Jr.
was amazing too.
Really good.
I used to dream about that game.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
Like how can I make that jump to that other rope?
seamus coughlin
I would dream about it.
Yeah, I remember like back in the day, so we had a Sega Genesis, like every time you died you had to completely restart.
I remember as a kid like having dreams where I finally got to the next level and I'd be like, what happens there?
tim pool
So we got a couple different superchats from people, so I'll just read one of them about enlistment.
Carl Re says, my first superchat, when you enlist you have an eight-year commitment to the government.
You sign up for four, you have four years active and four years inactive ready reserves.
Oh, eight years!
I can't remember who I asked, but I was like, I think it's on the show, would you recommend enlisting or going to college and getting a degree?
And they're like, get your degree first, you know?
ian crossland
And going in as like an officer?
seamus coughlin
Wait, so can't you only take advantage of the GI Bill?
Does the GI Bill pay off your loans after you have them?
I have no idea.
tim pool
I don't know.
But I guess the difference is being enlisted or being a commissioned officer.
lydia smith
Going in as an officer.
tim pool
Better going in as an officer.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Daniel Bundrick says, the ironic thing about the knee being on Floyd's shoulder blade is that it would suppress breathing more than it were if it were on his neck, since no pressure is on the lungs, especially in the case of fentanyl overdose, where respiratory suppression is common.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, very, very interesting.
Bitcoin Hunter says, great show.
Freedom Tunes is awesome.
seamus coughlin
Oh, thank you.
you. Thank you. And that's not. Everyone's just saying Dune over and over again. Isn't it?
I was going to say this earlier.
It's hilarious what people will seize on from a show.
You discuss so many topics, but you never know what's going to stick.
ian crossland
Dune is underrated in our society.
unidentified
I think that's why.
tim pool
Dune is awful.
Super chat me and tell me why I'm wrong.
seamus coughlin
Dune is the best!
I knew you were going to do this.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
Paul Atreides.
unidentified
And Duke Arconin.
tim pool
Zazuba says, Oligopoly is the word you're looking for to describe big tech and social media.
I definitely like the idea of making Twitter a common carrier.
unidentified
How do you do that if it's a public, a private company?
tim pool
Verizon's a private company.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing.
I think instead of Twitter, everyone in the country should just get one big like group text.
And when you have your opinion, you'll just like send your opinion out to the group text and everyone else gets it.
Just be going So you find something really cool you just like retweet it
You know I mean are you like resend it?
tim pool
That's I think Twitter should be should be everyone should be banned from Twitter and Trump should be brought back
seamus coughlin
Trump is just That's hilarious. He would love it
It's just called Trump er and like there's no react ability because no one has an account
But he's still just tweeting all the time. No you can only everyone love this I do no
I think it'd be even funnier if you couldn't even do that so he has no feedback on the tweet
tim pool
But he's still constantly putting them out there. He's doing that with his emails
He is, yeah.
seamus coughlin
He just sends like 150 character emails out every time he would have sent a tweet out.
unidentified
He's trained.
tim pool
No, now he sends paragraphs.
No, I was kidding.
You see what he sent out the other day where he's like, you know, Happy Easter to everybody, even the crazy radical left that's trying to destroy the country or whatever?
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
ian crossland
Do you think he does voice-to-text?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
I'll punch him in.
tim pool
I think he does voice-to-text.
ian crossland
I feel like he does a lot.
tim pool
He's holding his phone up and he's going, Happy Easter to all of the crazy!
To all of the crazy!
lydia smith
Just like Tim does.
seamus coughlin
Dude, is that why he talks the way he does?
Because he kind of talks like someone who's doing text-to-speech.
The way he enunciates his syllables.
The reason for this thing is Like it is kind of how you talk when you're trying to make sure the smartphone gets you right.
ian crossland
I'm talking to a second pair.
tim pool
You're sitting there like, what's going on?
ian crossland
OK.
seamus coughlin
He's pergues like he has the perfect cadence for text to speech or speech to text.
lydia smith
Holy cow, I just noticed that.
tim pool
Boot or pack.
Boost-er-pack.
Boost-er-pack.
Says, Tim, it's 1971.
You're the proud owner of the first ever Federal Reserve note you borrowed at 2% interest.
But if you are the sole owner of the note, how do you pay back the 2% interest?
Well, borrow more, of course.
That's the way the system works.
ian crossland
Welcome to the Ponzi scheme.
tim pool
Yeah, well, as long as they have the guns.
seamus coughlin
You guys are too cynical.
Federal Reserve is great.
Our monetary policy is perfect.
Stop it now, boys.
tim pool
So Frito says, are you going to make TimCast.com an app?
seamus coughlin
Yes!
tim pool
So the first thing is the new and improved website.
seamus coughlin
People are never happy.
tim pool
And then we're going to make an app where you should be able to play things with the phone off.
You can turn it on, press play, and put it in your pocket.
I don't think you can do it with the website unless you have a browser or something.
I don't know if we can do it through a website.
But you should be able to do it with the app once we get the app going.
You know, look, the website was, I don't want to say it was delayed a little bit.
We were optimistic, but we decided to be less optimistic in terms of launch because we have to make sure all the members port over properly and then nobody gets an issue with logins.
ian crossland
Assume that when something's getting developed, it's going to take three times longer, three to four times longer than you expect.
I know that's a little extreme, but with modern tech, if you're up against these big guys, Uh, three to four times longer.
tim pool
Is this, is this true?
Someone get a calculator.
Howdy Hay says, when you divide, when you divide 2020 by 666.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I'm not doing this.
I don't care what it is.
It's going to be, it's going to be three something.
tim pool
You get 30330.
seamus coughlin
Oh, wrong!
unidentified
30330.
tim pool
Oh no!
Is that true?
seamus coughlin
Yes, you do.
I just did it.
I just did it.
That proves it!
unidentified
30330.
seamus coughlin
What does that mean?
Go to 30330.
unidentified
That's Joe Biden's text number.
Oh, inductive.
30330 30330 Joe Biden's text number
seamus coughlin
When you divide 20 I'm sorry, commenter, I'm sorry I wrote you off.
tim pool
3-0!
unidentified
3-3-0!
3-3-0!
6-6-6!
seamus coughlin
Oh, man.
tim pool
All right, let's do a couple more.
unidentified
It was 20-20.
tim pool
Garhent says, the new Dune movie is woke, so get ready for The Last Jedi all over again.
No, no, no!
I can see Paul saying, the sandworm suffered oppression, and we are on the sandworm's lands.
ian crossland
Oh, I hope he's joking.
Are you joking?
lydia smith
It doesn't come out until October.
tim pool
Steven Clyde says, Seamus, when are you going to do another collaboration with Eric July?
seamus coughlin
That's a good question.
I love working with Eric.
Every time I need a voice, I hit him up.
He's really busy, so sometimes it's hard to get a hold of him, but he's usually pretty cool about doing things when we're able to sync up.
Yeah, I would love to just... Because the thing is, like, he and I, when we collaborate, it's never like this planned thing where we're like, we need to collab on something.
It's usually I'm just like, I have a cartoon, which I would like a voice for.
Eric, can you do this voice?
Because he always does a fantastic job.
I mean, he hits it out of the park.
So yeah, Eric, he's really funny.
He's really funny.
His delivery's fantastic every time.
The racism explained video.
I remember I wrote that script and I was like happy with the script, but then I was looking back and I was like, ah, maybe it's not that great.
But when I got his audio for it, I was like, this is so funny.
Like his delivery just makes it every time I've ever had him do a voice.
He's just crushed it.
So yeah, I want to use him as often as possible, but he's just, he's too good for me now.
No, I'm kidding.
I don't even want, I don't even want fake beef.
I love, I love Eric.
He's doing really well and good for him.
He should be.
Yeah, no, we'll do something again soon.
I'll hit him up right now.
Eric, let's collab this instant.
tim pool
All right, let's just do, uh, we'll do one more.
Alexander Skrpeci says, in my department, we were trained to put the leg-knee across one shoulder blade on a downward angle so not to damage the spine at the neck.
Very interesting.
unidentified
That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, ladies and gentlemen, smash that like button if you haven't already, and I guess- 50,000 likes or I delete my channel.
Well, you said 50?
seamus coughlin
Ultimatum has been served.
unidentified
15.
Oh, we're good.
tim pool
We're at 16,000, so.
seamus coughlin
Seamus Coghlan, who supports the Green New Deal, and said, give 15,000 likes or I will delete my channel.
16,000 likes!
We did it, baby!
Freedom Tunes is staying on the internet.
lydia smith
That's right.
Thank you all.
seamus coughlin
Thank you, guys, so much.
tim pool
But wait, there's more.
There's going to be an exclusive Members Only segment coming up in just about an hour or so over at TimCast.com.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member, and learn about all the spicy hot takes from Seamus that he can't say on YouTube.
seamus coughlin
That I can't say on YouTube.
I'm too scared.
ian crossland
I'm gonna grill him about religion.
God.
Jesus.
The Jesuits.
seamus coughlin
Oh man, I'm not going there.
The Catholics.
unidentified
I want to know it all.
tim pool
We actually did a really long segment with Seamus before.
So listen, if you go, you can see it's like an hour long.
We did like an hour, didn't we?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we did.
It was a good, it was a very interesting conversation if I do say so myself.
I enjoyed it.
tim pool
Yeah, it was fantastic.
But we'll have something else coming up, and that'll be for members at TimCast.com, so sign up to help out.
And make sure you smash the like button, subscribe to this channel.
We are so close to 1 million subscribers, and with your support, sharing this and being like, yo, subscribe, we will break 1 million subscribers.
And so do it.
This show is live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m., so come back the next time if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify.
Give us that good review, and you can follow me on all social media platforms at TimCast.
My other channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
And Seamus, I think you have a YouTube channel?
seamus coughlin
I do have a YouTube channel.
YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.
Go find Freedom Tunes.
I love it.
I love making the cartoons there.
They're a lot of fun.
I also have a second channel that I run with the Foundation for Economic Education called Common Sense Soapbox with Seamus Coghlan.
We usually get into economic issues, but those are just short little educational cartoons.
A lot of fun.
Very informative.
So check those places out.
Are we going to do what?
tim pool
Are we going to do that bit from earlier we were talking about?
seamus coughlin
Oh, we're 100%.
Tim and I are going to make a Freedom Tunes.
Tim and I are going to make a Freedom Tunes together.
And also, guess what, ladies and gentlemen?
Tim just told me with his eyes that from now on I am on every episode because I got us to 16k likes.
I'm so proud of all of you as viewers.
We're going to do Seamus cast IRL.
Is the new name of the show.
tim pool
You think you're sneaking on the show?
Because we got the extra chair.
You can have it.
seamus coughlin
Bro, let's talk about it.
ian crossland
Love is real.
Love is kind.
tim pool
Yeah, I got an extra chair.
Luke, Luke abandoned us.
Luke, one day he was just like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go.
I'll be right back.
seamus coughlin
He went to go to the bathroom and then you're like, where did he go?
tim pool
He said he had to go get a pack of cigarettes.
unidentified
And then we never saw him!
seamus coughlin
He just left!
ian crossland
I'm looking forward to Luke's return.
You better come back here, Luke.
tim pool
He's like, I'm just gonna go to the store real quick with all of my stuff.
ian crossland
He's got Luke's stuff to do, you know?
I wanted just to shout out my website, iancrossland.net.
I'm just kidding.
I want to thank you guys for being a part of this movement, this show, and this opportunity.
We have a million, million subscribers.
unidentified
Millions of people.
tim pool
We're going to get involved with this.
We're going to get a bunch of gold plaques for everybody.
unidentified
So amazing.
ian crossland
What an opportunity to help people and spread information that can help people.
So thank you guys for being a part of it.
unidentified
And thanks, Tim, for having me and Lydia.
tim pool
We're going to get rings made.
unidentified
We should get friendship bracelets.
seamus coughlin
Let's get friendship bracelets.
tim pool
I'm going to order, if they allow me, a gold plaque for everybody who helps work on the show.
ian crossland
Love it.
tim pool
That's a lot.
seamus coughlin
You've heard it.
I got us 16,000 likes.
I get a gold plaque.
You heard it from Tim right now.
tim pool
I'm gonna make one out of styrofoam with like a knife and just some cheap paint to give to Seamus.
Spray paint it gold.
seamus coughlin
Just check out youtube.com slash freedom tunes right now.
Everybody go there.
Hit the like button.
Let's get to 17,000 likes on my video.
If every single one of my videos doesn't get to 17,000 likes, I am never doing TimCast again as a matter of opinion.
As a matter of opinion, I will never do TimCast again.
lydia smith
I love it.
And then yeah, there's me in the corner.
I am similarly excited about reaching a million.
I think I've been the most excited because I've been worrying about this since Christmas.
I was like, this is all I want for Christmas is a million subscribers.
We didn't hit that goal.
It's coming up soon.
Easter time, whatever the next holiday is.
Anyway, I'm Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and Mines and Real Sour Patch Lids on Gab and Instagram!
tim pool
People are saying Luke is in the chat.
unidentified
Luke is in the chat!
seamus coughlin
Get out of my chat!
tim pool
We need to give him a special flair.
He's been lurking.
lydia smith
Get out of my chat!
tim pool
He's watching the show and he's like... Hey!
ian crossland
Hey!
Go to wearechange.org, is it?
tim pool
Yeah, but he abandoned his responsibility, so he's in the show.
ian crossland
Yeah, we can't get him out.
lydia smith
He's a pariah.
ian crossland
Thebestpoliticalt-shirts.com, is that...?
tim pool
Yeah, I think that's it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna have a bonus segment up in about an hour at timcast.com, so go there, check it out, and we will see you all then.
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