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Timcast IRL - China Exploits BLM Narrative To Attack US In Meetings w/Siraj Hashmi
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tim pool
you Recently, the U.S.
engaged in peace talks with China, and it seems like they're not going too well because the AP is reporting it's unusual the level of bickering and a smackdown that's been going on back and forth.
The U.S.
criticizes China over a lot of things they're doing.
China criticizes back.
But China is accusing the U.S., I kid you not, of slaughtering black people, exploiting the Black Lives Matter and woke narrative to criticize the U.S.
when the U.S.
tries calling out the concentration camps and other things.
Other than that, China's been saying that in the U.S., we have no grounds to complain about democracy over there because the people in the U.S.
don't even agree with American democracy either, and the whole thing seems to be Well, highly unusual, they say, but shocking to a lot of people because among many conservatives, they believe China would never speak like this if Donald Trump was still president.
I think maybe it's just escalation, whether it was Trump or Biden.
There's been an ongoing escalating tension between the two countries.
But in terms of China calling the U.S.
weak, and they did, we got this video of Joe Biden nearly falling down the stairs, which is getting a lot of attention.
Now, Biden's saying, it was just the wind.
It was the wind.
But a lot of people are questioning whether or not Joe Biden has the mental and physical fitness to be president.
A new poll shows 33% of Americans believe he does not.
So we're gonna talk about this.
We'll talk about some other stuff.
I guess there's like a woke monopoly coming out, which will be fun to talk about.
We're hanging out with the creator of the infamous The List, Siraj.
You want to introduce yourself?
siraj hashmi
What's going on, Tim?
Siraj Hashmi, now formerly employee of the Washington Examiner.
I am a free agent and creator of The List, but You can also check me out on Habibi Bros.
That is the podcast that me and Mujahid Kobi, my buddy Jay, who has been banned 12 different times by Twitter and constantly comes back.
He is the man who cannot be killed on Twitter.
tim pool
Should he go on the list?
siraj hashmi
Oh, well, that's the thing is the list only works for him and I never put him on it.
tim pool
So explain the list real quick.
siraj hashmi
All right.
So the list is literally a power ranking of people who need their phones taken away.
So, for example, if someone tweets something, a genuinely bad take, you know, it could be Comparing, say, Trump to Hitler, although that is actually very trite and commonplace, but something, for example, you know, if the Chinese Communist Party tweets out something insane about the United States, knowing obviously how hypocritical it is, they'll go on the list for it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's people like, should I name anybody specifically we're just talking about?
siraj hashmi
Jennifer Rubin.
tim pool
Washington Post, right?
siraj hashmi
Washington Post.
Formerly, I guess, conservative blogger.
tim pool
Pro-establishment, whatever that means.
siraj hashmi
But basically, she has gone on the list.
I can tell you, basically, one of the tweets that got her on the list was so benign, but it's so ridiculous.
She posted a photo of her dog and saying, sleeping in during the Biden era.
unidentified
Yes.
siraj hashmi
We sleep in on the weekends.
tim pool
When Biden was bombing Syria?
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
It was literally like the day or two after that.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
siraj hashmi
On the list!
tim pool
Right on, right on.
So we'll get into it.
We got Ian Eastchillin.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crossland.
How's it going?
Great to be here.
I love you.
lydia smith
And me, Sour Patch Lids, in the corner.
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And let's get into the first story.
This is the craziest thing to me.
You know, Let me just read the news first.
The U.S.
Sun reports, Tense clash.
China accuses U.S.
of slaughtering Black people and says Americans have little faith in democracy as talk tensions flare.
They said the two nations met face-to-face in Anchorage, Alaska on Thursday evening, for the first time since President Joe Biden took office.
But any hopes that bilateral relations could be reset after years of trade wars and tensions over cybersecurity during Trump's presidency were quickly stamped out.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan opened the meeting by referring to concerns over Beijing's human rights record.
China's top foreign affairs official Yang Jiechi thunderously responded by accusing the U.S.
of its own human rights violations, saying, We hope the U.S.
will do better on human rights, Yang said during a 15-minute speech.
The fact is that there are many problems in the U.S.
regarding human rights, which is admitted by the U.S.
itself.
Yang added that human rights issues in the U.S.
such as racism were deep-seated.
They did not just emerge over the past four years such as Black Lives Matter.
This is really annoying to me, because the narrative for the most part from Black Lives Matter is overhyped, exaggerated, and just... I'm gonna say it, not true.
I don't know if... I think you may have seen this, Ian, but did you see the poll where they asked liberals and conservatives how many innocent, you know, or how many black people were killed by police in 2019?
And liberals said over a thousand, and the actual number is 27.
So what's happening is, yeah, we have this media narrative, this big lie, where they keep saying these things over and over again.
And you get these people who genuinely believe that cops are going around hunting down black people.
If I thought that was true, I'd be out there with Black Lives Matter every single day.
But we know it's not true.
Any death caused by the cops, it's a tragedy.
Either a cop was defending himself, it's still a tragedy.
Or the cop was committing a crime, especially a tragedy.
Now China is exploiting this.
Our own media is tearing our country apart, in my opinion.
And now China's accusing us of being weak.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, it's kind of interesting, you know, China obviously can't look in the mirror and ever call out their own sins.
For example, obviously just how oppressive they are to their own people, the re-education camps of Uyghurs, basically Hong Kong and threatening their autonomy, and jailing basically any political dissident.
So they have no, obviously no moral standing on this issue.
I just find it hilarious that they think that the U.S.
government is sanctioning, like, basically all this terrorism against one, you know, racial demographic.
tim pool
I don't think they believe it.
siraj hashmi
No, I mean, like, they—I mean, but they're accusing us of this.
tim pool
I think—I think it's really interesting.
In previous administrations, would China have stood up so brazenly and insulted, degraded the United States to their faces?
ian crossland
Nope.
The iron wasn't hot enough.
tim pool
But you know what I think?
siraj hashmi
I mean, if you remember under the Obama administration and the plane situation, the plane confrontation, and they basically made them, I think it was like, they wouldn't let them land or get off the plane.
They basically had to Oh, wow.
Yeah, this is this is this happened under the Obama administration.
I don't know if this is something that, you know, it was an almost an international incident that had to get stamped out quickly because China, they ramped up the aggression against, you know, foreign diplomats or I guess U.S.
diplomats in this case.
And then you have the whole anal swabs thing.
tim pool
Oh, God.
siraj hashmi
U.S.
diplomats entering the country and they had to get a covid test.
tim pool
Well, so we'll jump to that in a second.
But the point I want to make is As the tensions escalate, as U.S.
power wanes internationally, and other countries are losing confidence in whether or not the United States could even defend a place like Taiwan or the South China Sea, China's getting more and more brazen.
They know the narrative's not true.
They don't care.
They're putting on a show for the people of the world to say, we're not scared of America anymore.
And we're going to stand up and we're going to use their own fracturing of their culture against them.
That's what's happening.
Now, as for the butt swabs thing, which was like a huge story, I think it's fair to say if Donald Trump was president, that would not have happened.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, that's fair to say, but I also, and we were talking about this, I don't think under the Trump administration they would willingly send out a group of diplomats to China in the middle of a trade war and basically subject themselves to something like this.
I mean, during the trade war negotiations for the first trade deal that they agreed to, All the negotiations happen in Washington, D.C., literally across from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which is the White House.
tim pool
But they're sending diplomats to China for, what, routine work?
siraj hashmi
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, we had an ambassador to—we had a U.S.
ambassador to China, and we still have diplomatic relations with them.
But, you know, there is no reason to subject our own diplomats to that.
It's just an embarrassment.
tim pool
It's amazing.
For those that aren't familiar, U.S.
diplomats were forcefully anal swabbed by China.
And I think that's another sign of just attempting to humiliate the United States.
Forceful swabbing of the bums of American personnel.
And they're basically... Look, at this meeting, it was 15 minutes of the Chinese officials yelling at America.
And the Americans just sat there and took it.
ian crossland
Saber-rattling.
siraj hashmi
So I just wanted to point out that the whole confrontation with the Obama administration So the US military always sends out a set of rolling air stairs on every single presidential trip and so they have to seek Chinese approval to use the equipment and when President Obama arrived in China, the Chinese reversed their position.
They wouldn't let him get off the plane.
unidentified
Wow.
siraj hashmi
Yeah But was Obama supposed to be there?
Yeah, I think it was actually supposed to be an official presidential visit to meet with President Xi.
tim pool
So this wouldn't have happened under Trump?
Would you think it's fair to say?
siraj hashmi
Well, it didn't happen under Trump because when he went to China, he got a huge welcoming ceremony.
People remember, obviously, his meeting with Kim Jong-un in Vietnam and Singapore.
I think it was just Singapore.
They had at least two meetings, if I'm not mistaken.
But when he went to China, there was a huge ceremony.
There was a huge celebration of the US president going to China.
And if you remember correctly, President Xi and President Trump actually had deep affection
for one another.
But at the same time, Trump was telling everybody here in the United States, like, obviously, we're going to be implementing all these tariffs on China.
He had a lot of tough talk.
And this is where he gets the criticism for being, you know, cozying up to authoritarians because of how he approaches them.
Now, his actual rhetoric is different from the actual policy, because the policy was good, even if the rhetoric didn't match it.
And I think that's what people constantly get at Trump for.
But he was particularly strong on China, and Biden is particularly weak on China.
tim pool
Could it have been that fanfare and that celebration was because they were scared of Trump?
siraj hashmi
That's possible.
tim pool
Look, man, Trump was an erratic, bombastic guy.
siraj hashmi
Hey, we're still number one, baby.
tim pool
I look at it like this.
Even Trump supporters recognize that Trump is kind of, you know, erratic, I guess is the right way to put it.
Meaning like, he just says, do it, get it done.
It pops into his head, he says, do it.
So if he gets mad, on a whim, he could be like, shut it down, no, no deal for you.
So China knows this trade war is on, the tariffs are a legit problem for them, so they start kissing his ass.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think the Chinese Communist Party is a glass cannon in that they're very fragile.
From what I've been discerning from our guests in the last few weeks, they're on the verge of collapse, but they don't want to show it.
And if they sense weakness, they're going to go and bite it because they can hit hard from a distance.
But if they get attacked, they got a real problem.
And Biden is not an attacker.
Not physically.
siraj hashmi
I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is particularly weak.
I think they're still on the rise.
I think it is what's changing, though, Is the sort of the
What's the best word I could probably put it on?
Sort of the image.
There was a fallacy that Russia was somehow the most dangerous country in the world.
And that was our geopolitical foe and threat.
And they hijacked an election and basically installed Trump as Putin's lapdog.
As crazy as that Blue Anon talk.
But then everybody just ignored China.
And now we're realizing everything that's happening there.
You have the Uyghur re-education camps, you have Hong Kong autonomy withering away, you have the oppression of basically everyone and their political dissidents.
They have the Belt and Road Initiative, which basically it mortgages the future of basically every single country abroad that China does business with, particularly in Africa.
They build up their infrastructure in exchange for so like they'll give, say, a country like, you know, Mozambique or, you know, name name your country in Africa, you know, Billion dollar loans, but we get to control your ports.
And they have to pay back that loan.
tim pool
Sounds like they're displacing the IMF.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's the economic hitman strategy.
siraj hashmi
Right.
And so they get all this economic control over these countries, and they get to gain access to their valuable resources, whatever mining, whatever grain, you name it, farming.
Yeah, they just consolidate that power.
And the reason why they're still on the come up is, and this obviously is tied into the political oppression, is that when you only have one single thought, you can get a lot more done.
I think Bill Maher was talking about it, as well as Tucker Carlson, interestingly enough, in the same week, about how China is particularly strong in their military, because they just focus on the job and just get it done.
And I think Bill Maher's criticism in particular, It wasn't praiseworthy of the Chinese Communist Party, but really highlighting how because they're so authoritarian, they can get more done.
And we are so democratic, we can get nothing done.
tim pool
And it's... Democratic is one way to put it.
I think what we're seeing is our values were exploited, sowing division, and this, this Western imperialism of sorts, whatever you want to call it, where we have like the International Monetary Fund, where we have the UN and NATO, the United States and their military bases everywhere.
It's, it's falling apart.
Like you're mentioning, what was it, was the, the Belt and... Belt and Road Initiative.
Yeah, so China is essentially giving loans, building up infrastructure in these countries to then have massive debt that will give them economic control.
That's what the Western powers used to do, or still probably do.
siraj hashmi
Well, that's what colonialism was based on.
It may not have been as, say, concrete as what the Belt and Road Initiative is, but it was basically controlling territories to gain access to the resources.
In exchange for, say, example like French colonialism.
French colonialism was basically, we're going to exchange whatever you got, and we're going to give you French culture.
Because that's like, you know, we're superior to your inferiority.
tim pool
What we are seeing is China engaging in neo-colonialism.
It's effectively just colonialism, but you know, from history till now, they're starting up a new process.
siraj hashmi
It's transactional.
tim pool
Well, but it's not just that.
It's Chinese immigrants.
So China's a crowded nation.
They're seeing a lot of, you know, the creation of a lot of wealth as they expand.
They then naturally want to move to other countries to find opportunity and to find more space.
siraj hashmi
I actually, interestingly enough about the Belt and Road Initiative is that they don't even hire locally.
They bring in their own workers from China to build up these, you know, whatever level of infrastructure, roads, bridges, buildings, you name it.
Tunnels.
It doesn't stimulate the local economy.
All it does is just put these countries into debt.
tim pool
That's right.
siraj hashmi
And make them beholden to the Chinese Communist Party as a result.
tim pool
Isn't that what the IMF would do, basically?
Yeah.
So listen, China is absolutely displacing the Western strategies and foreign policy, and they're sending in Chinese workers to a lot of countries.
Many people who are just regular old citizens of China are naturally just emigrating to other countries.
There's no plan there.
They're just doing it because they want to move.
They want to find a place.
Then you end up with lots of Chinese immigrants in other countries setting up their own little communities in Chinatowns and things like that.
Then you get the Belt and Road Initiative, which creates the economic power structure.
Eventually, you're going to have many countries which are just going to be like second world satellites of China.
If not, they already are.
And the U.S., people don't seem to realize this.
We talked about this, I think, earlier in the week, that manufacturing in the U.S.
actually is up a little bit, like 1 point something percent year over year.
But we don't produce all that much relative to many other countries.
Our principal export is the U.S.
dollar for buying oil.
So we prop up the petrodollar with the threat of war to anybody who dares drop that dollar.
The U.S.
is in a very difficult position.
We've got Joe Biden, who apparently is struggling to walk up these stairs.
The wind blew him over.
I kid you not.
They said the wind blew him over.
I mean, that was not a good excuse.
They could have said he tripped, and we could have moved on.
But Joe Biden falls over and says, the wind blew him over.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You've got hyperpolarization.
You've got a 50-50 split, basically, in our government.
Senate is 50-50, and then the House is like 219 to 211 or whatever.
Just as narrow as it can get.
They're trying to remove a Republican who is duly elected and certified.
It's falling apart.
Our international systems are failing.
The international wars have failed.
Our way of controlling other countries is falling apart, and China is assuming all of it.
And I have to wonder.
How many special interests, millionaires, billionaires, and corporations in the U.S.
have already seen that happening, and are moving their businesses over to match their bets?
That's been happening.
Exactly.
siraj hashmi
That's been happening.
tim pool
Right, NBA for instance.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, no, it's been happening for a while, Disney.
Apple.
Apple, yeah.
I mean, manufacturing in China is really cheap, especially when they use Uyghur slave labor, right?
Right.
tim pool
But thinking about it this way, if the U.S.
dollar does crumble, Bitcoin's at 58,700 or whatever, These companies have already moved to China.
And they're already, like, you got Mark Cuban defending China.
What does he see?
Is he hedging his bet, basically saying he thinks China's gonna win this one?
siraj hashmi
China's already won.
That's actually what I wanted to say.
Bill Maher, interestingly enough, and I agree with him on a lot of points, even if he didn't get everything right in his little monologue from last week, he pointed out how China already won.
They're not winning.
They already won.
Because the fact that we're still bickering over things like the culture war, cancel culture, you name it, these are distractions to the bigger picture.
And in terms of global influence, you know, the United States are, you know, we, you know, I saw a t-shirt once that said we're number one, but there was no apostrophe in it.
tim pool
We're number one.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
And so, like, you know, while the United States economy still is number one in the world, as I said, we're still we're number one, baby.
I mean, that is that those days were number one.
It's like the Patriots dynasty ending.
ian crossland
I never really got into the whole, like, we're the best thing, because, like, when you're at the top, you're just a target.
People want to rip you down.
We should be part of an integral group of allies that are working together.
tim pool
We were, though.
ian crossland
Yeah, we really should be, with Russia and Britain and England.
tim pool
Well, not Russia, but we did have...
Western trade alliances, NATO, the UN, and that power structure is failing.
I mean, look, the coalition that went into Libya, was it like France?
You know, the U.S.
A couple of other countries, I guess.
Look at the coalition of the willing, or whatever, going to Iraq.
It wasn't just the U.S.
It was a bunch of different countries expressing this, you know, control.
siraj hashmi
I mean, we, they, they, well, after 9-11, there was, they invoked Article 5 of NATO.
Getting us to the point where we had every NATO nation as well as we got Australia, New Zealand involved in basically the invasion of Afghanistan, which then turned into the invasion of Iraq.
I mean, it's just...
For some reason, the United States loves war.
We're never going to get out of it.
And that has depleted our economy tremendously.
And if you ever want to talk about how climate change impacts it, you know, it doesn't help it.
ian crossland
You guys ever hear of the Non-Aligned Movement?
It's basically the other United Nations on Earth.
There's the United Nations that we know of, and then all the countries that aren't involved with it are in this united group of nations called the Non-Aligned Movement.
siraj hashmi
Who's in it?
ian crossland
Iran is where they're headquartered, was in Iran for a while.
Ahmadinejad was like the chairman of it.
siraj hashmi
Ahmadinejad?
ian crossland
Yeah, thank you for pronouncing that properly.
siraj hashmi
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
ian crossland
And I would pull up a list.
There's like 92 countries or something.
Some insane number.
And don't quote me on that number.
But it's all these countries that the United States is basically doesn't want to have diplomatic ties with.
These are the people we need to be allied with.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, there's also BRICS, the BRICS nations.
siraj hashmi
I mean, that's the thing is like so Iran and the United States are their interests are diametrically opposed. Iran wants basically hegemony over
the region. The United States, I mean, the Iranian regime has been on the path of terror
for quite some time, funneling money to Hamas, Hezbollah, you name it.
They've been killing our guys and our men and women overseas.
I don't imagine that's going to happen anytime soon.
Unless, of course, President Biden tries to get the Iran nuclear deal going on again.
God help us if that happens.
Look, I am fine with making friends with other countries, so long as it isn't to our detriment and we're not being taken advantage of.
And I don't think that the Iranian regime would be acting in good faith.
ian crossland
I'm looking at China, like the Nazi Party, and if we had allied with Russia before the Nazis invaded Poland, we could have possibly prevented it.
siraj hashmi
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Well, because we weren't really on good terms with Russia before the war, Russia wouldn't come to France's aid.
siraj hashmi
Are you talking about World War II?
ian crossland
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
OK.
ian crossland
And so this is like a modern day, like we're on the cusp of another world war with another, you know, racist ethnostate.
siraj hashmi
Right.
ian crossland
And unless we ally now with Russia and India and Iran and all of these countries around China, they're going to do some crazy invasion.
siraj hashmi
Well, the thing is, like China and Iran are basically in bed with each other because, I mean, When Iran doesn't have, you know, any of its allies to go to.
If it doesn't have the United States to go to to, say, funnel them cash, they'll go to Russia and they'll go to China.
Because China definitely wants to have them on their side.
Yeah.
Anyone who's an enemy of the United States is their friend.
tim pool
And like we're talking about, it's China doing everything in their power to expand their influence to anyone who's willing to listen.
And I think that, I wonder if there's elements of the U.S.
that are worried about war, so they're already essentially resigning to the fact that we will lose.
I think it was, we were talking with Kurt, he said there's war games that the U.S.
has done with China, and in all of these war games we just lose, lose, lose.
I can only imagine there's a lot of really rich people who are probably like, all right, well, if that's inevitable, I'm going to move my money over.
I'm going to move my money to China and focus on that business.
And then in 50 years, when this whole system in the West falls apart, China will be the dominant superpower.
Then you will have an authoritarian ethno-state exerting their cultural influence over all the other countries on the planet.
siraj hashmi
I would argue, obviously, and I don't know if I've said this before, but if it sounds like I'm repeating myself, then I apologize.
But I think Richard Nixon's greatest mistake was not anything to do with Watergate.
It actually had to do with opening the United States to China.
Because for some reason, I don't know what miscalculation took place, but it was a miscalculation.
And I was assuming that the Chinese Communist Party, which at that time had only existed for about about 20, 21 years after the Chinese Civil War, after World War II, that by introducing capitalism to them, they would somehow modernize.
And what they did is they basically adapted.
They kept their system in place, and they basically turned their society into a pseudo-capitalist
one that encouraged commerce and encouraged other corporations from other countries, namely
from the United States, to come to them, get cheap manufacturing, build their products,
and then ship it across the globe.
And they did it by consolidating as much power as they needed to.
And by they, I mean the Chinese Communist Party.
And we're basically at a loss.
tim pool
We underestimated China.
siraj hashmi
100%.
tim pool
We thought money and greed would win out, and we underestimated the resolve and the ideology
and the power of the Chinese Communist Party.
So we were hoping that our money was going to go in, and that essentially greed, not
necessarily greed, but commerce and a better life would open up the eyes of these people,
and they would say, oh, we should do that because it would make us money.
And then eventually that would weaken the power structure in the Communist Party.
They didn't realize how hardened it was.
So what ended up happening was...
The Communist Party exploited all those systems around it to become even more powerful.
Yeah.
And we just fed the beast.
siraj hashmi
We also underscore and probably we we discount the Confucius Institutes here in the United States.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
That's a very it's it is a very real problem, but not one that's discussed very often.
And that is how a number of different universities in the United States have these institutes called Confucius Institutes.
And what they do is that they basically, it's like exporting the ideas of the Chinese Communist Party to, you know, you know, malleable minds here in the United States.
But also, you know, you can look at the Chinese exchange students who come to the United States, and I'm not saying that them coming here is bad, but what ends up happening is they start to adapt, or they start to adopt some You know, values that we here in America embrace, they start to get, you know, maybe think that, like, American values are actually much better than Chinese values, and they correct that issue right away.
They have, like, sort of a self-policing system, and so if any exchange student gets out of line, you know, they're gone.
tim pool
Yeah, I think.
Man, it's like we're on the back end of that bell curve.
The golden age is over for us.
ian crossland
We've been infiltrated.
siraj hashmi
It's been real, guys.
tim pool
Yeah, it's been fun.
Buy Bitcoin.
No, no, no financial advice.
I'm buying Bitcoin.
siraj hashmi
Buy GameStop.
Actually, don't buy GameStop.
tim pool
No, China bought a bunch of Bitcoin.
A lot of Bitcoin.
So, I wonder why it's skyrocketing.
ian crossland
They've got the spy, the Chinese spy that was dating the guy.
siraj hashmi
Eric Swalwell.
ian crossland
Swalwell for like how long?
siraj hashmi
Well, that wasn't confirmed that they were dating.
ian crossland
Or they were an item for a decade or something?
siraj hashmi
It wasn't even confirmed that they were an item.
tim pool
She was just helping with like fundraisers and stuff for a long time, right?
siraj hashmi
Yeah, I mean, she had been around helping people with fundraising here in Washington, D.C.
And I wouldn't say here, because we're not in Washington, D.C.
That's where I live.
But basically, when it comes to... I believe her name is Feng Feng.
Or Christine Feng, I think that's right.
tim pool
Feng Feng.
siraj hashmi
Feng Feng.
Sorry, I apologize.
tim pool
We had China Uncensored on the show, and so we got the correct pronunciation.
siraj hashmi
Oh, China Uncensored.
Nice, nice.
Um, so Fang Fang, she had basically embedded herself as a sort of like a, I guess not like a money roller, like basically someone who would, a cash bundler.
That's the best way to put it.
Someone who would raise money for different political causes.
And then somehow in the, throughout the running of it all, Eric Swalwell was briefed that she's actually a Chinese spy.
And then he basically had to sever all contact with her.
tim pool
Now, this just happened.
McCarthy has tried to remove Swalwell from the Intel Committee over the Chinese spy story.
So this is just from the other day.
siraj hashmi
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I believe it did fail, though.
They said the resolution will not likely pass in a Democratic-controlled House.
Think about how insane this is.
This dude was being helped, a Democrat, by a Chinese spy.
And they're keeping him on the intel committee.
It's like, okay, let him stay in office, but don't give him access to intel reports.
They don't care.
They really don't care.
That's why I'm saying, man, I wonder how many of these people are in on the take.
They know what's coming and they're like, you gotta butter my bread, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
How many more spies are there?
That's one that we found out.
And now we know that the institutions have been infiltrated by the Basically, by the concepts of this, you know, what, 80-year plan that Yuri Bezmenov talked about it.
Other people, it's like they've been in here trying to divide us and now they're calling it out because their plan, they're basically activating the plan.
siraj hashmi
Well, we do know that there was a Chinese spy that worked in Senator Dianne Feinstein's office.
lydia smith
Driver?
siraj hashmi
I think so.
I have to confirm that.
tim pool
But so this is a yeah, this is from back in August of 2018.
Details surface about Senator Feinstein and the Chinese spy who worked for her.
That's crazy.
I'm pretty sure it was a driver for her, and it's not the first time.
We've been infiltrated, man.
I mean, Mike Pompeo was saying it earlier last year, about a year ago, he said we've been infiltrated at every single level.
You name it.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, I mean, it's not surprising at all.
I mean, as you said, when you're number one, everyone has a target on your back.
Basically, every other country, if we're playing Mario Kart, we're in first place, every country has a blue shell.
Hmm.
Yep.
tim pool
Well, you know, we were in first place.
I wonder if slash when China does overtake us, maybe they already did and they're just not going to let us know.
You know what I mean?
siraj hashmi
Why would they let us know if they could stay in our ranks forever?
tim pool
And focus all the blue shells on us and not them.
siraj hashmi
And also not to mention, think of the people who are actually... And this is something that people think, oh, just because they're Chinese they have to be a spy.
Think about all the non-Chinese spies that there are.
I mean, they are spies for the Chinese government, but they're not ethnically Chinese.
tim pool
But no, but also think about when COVID first started, and they lied to the WHO, and then the WHO ended up lying to the world.
China ordered Chinese citizens in various countries to buy personal protective equipment and ship it back to China so they could use it during the pandemic.
While they were lying to us saying everything's fine, don't worry about it.
They were instructing their citizens.
These people weren't spies.
They were just people who were living in other countries for school or for whatever reason, working at the behest of the Chinese Communist Party.
ian crossland
It makes me think of Civilization, the game.
Have you ever played that?
siraj hashmi
It's been a while.
ian crossland
Cool game.
And I think the Chinese have overtaken us militarily, but not culturally, not scientifically, I don't think.
tim pool
No, they stole all our intellectual property.
ian crossland
Yeah, they steal.
They basically are trying to steal to keep up.
So, they have overtaken us in some ways.
Definitely militarily, I think.
tim pool
What's that thing where the Thousand Talents Program, where they're buying up these college professors, offering them cash, then professors are lying about it, getting caught and getting arrested?
siraj hashmi
Are you serious?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's been a bunch of professors now who were secretly taking money from China, and then some of them got caught.
They were not reporting this money.
So they were getting grants from the U.S.
government and also getting money from the Chinese government.
And effectively, my understanding is they were sharing this data with the Chinese Communist Party.
ian crossland
Nazis.
Think about it.
If you were alive in 1930, what side would you have been on?
Now you get to choose.
Would you?
Will you take their money?
Will you take that Nazi money?
tim pool
There are a lot of people in America who did.
siraj hashmi
That's the problem.
There are too many people who... And this is, you know, obviously, because hindsight's 20-20, and we always look back and think of, you know, if another Holocaust happened, how would we react to it?
tim pool
I mean, it is.
siraj hashmi
But that's the thing is, like, you know, everybody thought that, and I referenced the Syrian Civil War, because that seemed like an interesting You know, that was a very bloody affair that has winded down.
But everybody, there were a lot of people in the United States clamoring for intervention, thinking that that was basically another genocide that was taking place.
And now we have this situation here in Xinjiang with the Uyghurs being locked up in re-education camps.
We're seeing drone footage of them on train platforms, all in jumpsuits, blindfolded, shaved heads, you know, hands and feet bonded up.
And that is the closest thing I have ever seen in my life to what we saw in the Holocaust.
Closest thing.
And I'm still afraid to compare that to the Holocaust because of what that suggests.
And so you can say that they're going to modern day concentration camps.
That is to the extent that I'll go.
These people are being persecuted for practicing their faith.
They're people being persecuted for expressing different political views, for people who want democracy in Hong Kong.
and you know all of our nothing will move not dark nothing no needle will
move in the right direction because all of our I mean all of the corporations
that were formerly part of the United States have all sold their souls to
This time... And will never stand up for it.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
A lot of them.
siraj hashmi
Not all of them.
tim pool
This time, the ethno-authoritarians, it seems like they're gonna win.
ian crossland
It seemed like that with the Nazis, too, for a while.
When they invaded France and took control of France, it was like, this is it, man.
The British?
Winston Churchill would just tell people, we're going to survive, we're gonna get through this.
He didn't know.
He was just getting their hopes up.
tim pool
China's not stupid enough to just storm the borders of India, necessarily.
I mean, the conflict happening on the border with India, what was it?
They were fighting with sticks and stones?
Because they know there's going to be fighting, but they know what propaganda is, they know how information warfare works, and they know what will happen if all the people of the world demand conflict.
It's bad enough they got the concentration camps, but a lot of people still will be like, we're not going to do war, it will wipe out the planet.
If they stormed into India with guns and took land, then everyone would freak out and say, it's happening anyway, we gotta stop it from happening.
So they know better.
They're gonna infiltrate, it's going to be cyberattacks, it's going to be political warfare.
Like, uh, who was talking about political warfare?
Was that James?
ian crossland
We've had some great guests on this last week.
tim pool
Or was it Kurt?
I don't know.
A lot of great people talking about political warfare.
And that, yeah, I think it was James.
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
And we're not prepared for it.
They know you've got to be very careful about how people view you.
And that's why I think when we see these Chinese officials yelling at the U.S.
in a rant for 15 minutes saying the U.S.
is slaughtering black people, they know what they're doing.
They're trying to show the world they can make God bleed.
Because then, there will be blood in the water and the sharks will come.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, I mean, so, Eddie Izzard, the comedian.
Although, I think that's a former name.
I apologize if I'm getting it wrong.
ian crossland
Eddie Izzard, yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, I saw that recently.
ian crossland
No, but, wears dresses from time to time.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, yeah.
Dresses and drag.
ian crossland
He runs marathons.
tim pool
That might be the dead name.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
He changed his name?
siraj hashmi
I think so.
lydia smith
No, I saw him recently and he's amazing.
siraj hashmi
He still goes by Eddie Izzard.
She goes by Eddie Izzard.
I apologize.
ian crossland
I think he was a cross dresser but was not transgender.
siraj hashmi
Anyways, Eddie Izzard the comedian said something that was really prescient at the time and it was it was sort of like an analyzing history and how you know the biggest The biggest mistake that Hitler made was not, you know, anything he had to do within Germany that was invading other countries.
You know, because you have Mao Zedong killed probably most people of any other dictator.
You have Joseph Stalin.
You have Pol Pot.
You know, a number of different dictators.
The key theme for them and the reason they were able to stay in power is that they never invaded any other countries.
And so China came close to it when you had the Korean War and they were basically trying to impose of course the United States fought back at it, went to stalemate, now you have North Korea.
tim pool
And now you have China invading many other countries with the Belt and Road Initiative.
siraj hashmi
Exactly.
tim pool
Economically.
ian crossland
Culturally.
tim pool
Look, you can't... We talk about this all the time, fourth and fifth generation of warfare.
What is the purpose of war?
You want to gain control of resources and territory, right?
Or you want to stop a threat, maybe it's preemptive war, but usually it's about gaining access to a resource and certain territory from advantage for your country.
Now, how you gonna do that?
You gonna march in with guns and force people at gunpoint?
Well, that creates resistance and opposition.
People say no to that.
Or, you say, Ian, I'm gonna lend you a hundred bucks so you can go get that nice new suit you wanted.
And then we're gonna put compounded interest on it, so just don't worry, sign here.
And then what happens?
A week goes by, and I go, where's that $10,000 you owe me, buddy?
And you're like, whoa, whoa, $10,000?
Like, yeah, read the deal.
Jimmy, break his legs.
That's the game.
ian crossland
Can I borrow another $10,000?
tim pool
They're going to these people and they're basically, they're going to these countries and saying, if you sell your country to me with this deal, you will live like the king of kings.
And then when you're dead, we'll take your country.
It's a win-win, isn't it?
And a lot of these people are like, works for me.
The country will improve, the lives of my people will improve, and then in 50 years, China will be in charge with exercising debt and control over our country.
Sure, whatever.
Short-term gain, long-term losses.
They are invading, but they're doing it smart this time.
They learned from us.
ian crossland
The economic hitmen, which is kind of out of this playbook, they would do that.
They would say, hey, we're going to give you a big loan, try and buy you out.
And if the people refused, then they would try and assassinate the leader.
And if they couldn't get to the guy, then they would declare all-out war.
It seems like the Chinese aren't trying step two at all.
They're very light about this slow, long bribery game.
siraj hashmi
They play the long game.
tim pool
But listen.
siraj hashmi
Definitely.
tim pool
You only need step one.
When they go to one country and say, we're going to give you all this money to help you with your infrastructure, and that country says no, they go, okay, well, then we'll give it to your neighbor.
Good luck surviving.
And they'll go, wait, wait, wait.
That's the end of the game.
People know that in these countries, they might have pressure where it's like, we've got conflict with these different groups, with these different tribes, with these different countries, governments.
And so if China starts arming and building up their infrastructure, how long will you last?
That's how it's going to play out.
And now you can see with these Chinese officials basically making a mockery of the U.S.
saying, you're not coming from... They literally said, it is wrong to say you're coming from a position of strength.
People in your own country don't trust your own democracy.
You're slaughtering black people.
They smacked down the U.S.
for 15 minutes.
And what do we do?
We fight.
We have flame wars.
We have culture wars.
We are a silly people.
I think the U.S.
is facing some kind of fracturing.
But a lot of people talk about a peaceful divorce.
I think we've already broken apart.
You know, I talked about this before, right?
Joe Biden comes out and says, you know, come on, man, you know, we need new restrictions for COVID.
And Texas and Florida are like, nah.
If you don't have red states trusting the president and agreeing to work together towards a common goal, then the president just represents the blue states.
Look, I'm a young guy, I guess.
Young enough.
Maybe there were periods in American history where half the states were saying no to the president?
Maybe.
Maybe that was a hundred and some odd years ago, the last time we had a civil war, right?
siraj hashmi
Yeah, I mean, I don't think we're going to civil war.
tim pool
It's not going to be what you think it is.
siraj hashmi
Well, the civil war is informational.
It's not with arms.
tim pool
That's exactly what I'm saying.
It's fourth and fifth generational warfare.
So the point I'm making is, we're well past that point.
China's not going to march into India with guns.
They're going to buy more and more land.
They're doing it.
They're buying up property in the U.S.
like crazy.
They're buying up property in Brazil like crazy.
And then their citizens naturally just move into these areas and then live in these places using the existing laws.
They don't need to march in with guns when they can march in with economics.
Same thing in the United States.
The civil war we're experiencing is the culture war.
It is a cold civil war.
I shouldn't even say it's cold, because people have literally been shot and killed, notably in Portland, for instance.
But it's not like factions with armies marching towards each other.
The issue is, the best example is Joe Biden comes out, talks about COVID, Florida, Texas, other red states, just look at Joe Biden and say, buzz off.
We do not take your advice, and we do not care what you think.
So you got blue states saying, you got it, Joe, and red states saying, we don't agree with the president.
We are already split.
Into two different realities.
You wanna live like normal?
Florida's a-waitin'.
You don't gotta wear a mask anymore, you can go shopping, go to the movies, everything's back to normal.
Go to New York?
New York is now the epicenter again.
And they're saying, oh no, it's bad, we gotta do more lockdowns.
You go to Europe?
Europe's locking down like crazy.
Here in the US, to see blue states go the exact opposite direction of red states.
siraj hashmi
I do find that interesting, though, that, I mean, like, the division has been happening for a while.
I mean, just look at, you know, rewind 10 years ago.
I mean, think of how many states just rejected, you know, Obamacare coming into their states.
Exactly.
tim pool
That's why a lot of people do believe Obama was the time that this division happened, but I'm like, look... I think it started before that.
Right, you can reduce it further and further.
Look at Al Gore and George W. Bush.
It was a Supreme Court appointment of a president.
No matter what you believe, there's half the country who believes Bush only became president because the Supreme Court intervened.
siraj hashmi
Right.
tim pool
Now, there's a lot of people who say, no, no, George Bush won fair and square.
No, no, no.
The realities are divergent at that point.
There's there's Democrats who are saying it was stolen.
It was stolen.
It was stolen.
And there you go.
And you get eight years of that.
Then Obama comes in.
Then you get people who are accusing we're claiming it was stolen back then.
Like even even Donald Trump was saying that, you know, Mitt Romney.
siraj hashmi
And the interesting thing about that is a lot of people tied the Supreme Court fight of the 2000 election to distracting our intelligence agencies from what Al Qaeda was up to in the lead up to 9-11.
Because there was no transition.
The transition was so it was so rocky.
tim pool
It was delayed and it was busted up.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, between the Clinton and the Bush administrations that a lot of people look at that as the one area where Al Qaeda basically made its move to enact to basically attack the United States through 9-11.
tim pool
I think that was where we saw a big political split.
But an interesting thing happened in 2008 with the economic crisis, because we had Ben Stewart here who was talking about Strauss-Howe generational theory.
Are you familiar with that?
No, I'm not.
It's this theory that there are four seasons.
A season lasts 20 years.
You've got spring, summer, fall, and winter.
After winter, this great conflict, this great crisis, comes a spring where everything is really good, the economy blossoms and booms, then you have a summer where it's maintained and people are happy, then a fall where things are getting shaky and chaotic, and then a winter again where the chaos breaks out.
So right now, we are in the winter period.
80 years ago, the end of the last winter was World War II.
80 years before that, it was the Civil War.
80 years before that, the Revolutionary War.
And apparently, they've mapped out, like, all of these things that have happened every 80 years, because it's based on generations.
Are you familiar with that saying?
Strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men.
It's similar to that idea that when you have a generation of people who fought through the trenches and many who didn't survive, only the strongest survive and come back and create a flourishing strong society of prosperity.
Their children inherit that world and don't necessarily understand what it took to create it.
The next generation inherits a world where they just feel entitled to it, which leads to chaos and collapse.
siraj hashmi
Interesting.
tim pool
So it feels like, you know, we're basically in this period now where we can expect, I guess, the winter is here.
It's going to get bad and it's supposed to end around 2028.
But my point was, the point I wanted to get to with 2008 was when we talk about when the political divide started and when chaos started to happen, they predicted in the 90s when they wrote this book called The Fourth Turning, that in 2008, when boomers became eligible for Social Security, the economic system was going to collapse.
Perhaps everything we know about what caused the crisis, mortgage-backed securities and things like that, was actually just all the boomers now demanding their entitlements that didn't exist and figuring out how to cover it up.
Not cover it up, but like cover the costs of this.
When you look at the M1 money supply, it's slowly stagnant over several decades.
2008 happens, it increases by a factor of 10 or whatever.
It just spikes upward.
Money creation is going up rapidly.
Then the pandemic hits, skyrockets straight up.
They change the way they report the money stock mid-pandemic, and now no one knows for sure.
But you can see 2008, where the money supply just goes boom and takes a sharp turn upward.
Maybe mortgage-backed security crisis.
They were giving out homes to everybody and people couldn't pay for it.
Or maybe our financial system was broken.
We knew it was broken.
It was predicted that it was going to break and then it broke.
ian crossland
I've heard that.
This theory that they used COVID as an excuse to print because they had to print because everything was falling apart.
tim pool
It's a conspiracy.
Was it you who was telling me this?
Someone basic?
I think it was you who mentioned this.
They were saying that Democrats made bad bets and investments that went sour and was going to completely disrupt pensions and 401ks and retirement plans.
Was it you who said that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Who told us that?
ian crossland
I don't remember hearing that.
tim pool
Yeah, I was hearing there's a conspiracy theory.
That what actually happened was, COVID's legit, and we had a pandemic, we had a crisis, and we had 15 days to slow the spread.
However, the economic crisis was real.
We're supposed to have, you know, they say every 10 years there's like an economic downturn of some sort, and we kind of dodged that for some reason.
I heard a conspiracy theory, I'm not saying it's true, I'm saying it's literally probably not true, that Democrats made bad bets with, you know, unions made bad bets, they could, you know, they made bad investments, the investments soured, and then when COVID hit, they knew that there was going to be a serious collapse of retirement funds and people's 401ks and things like that.
So they were like, we need a bailout.
We saw all these blue states, now this part is true.
You know, Cuomo, for instance, being like, New York needs money!
And Trump was like, shove it.
Too bad.
Run your state better.
Now we get the $1.9 trillion stimulus.
And Republicans are calling it a bailout for blue states that are poorly managed.
So I don't know about those conspiracies.
siraj hashmi
I mean, yeah, they had the $2.2 trillion stimulus a year ago.
Right.
tim pool
And it's covering the, I mean, look, New York's crumbling.
The Metro, for instance, the MTA, they're struggling to repair it.
They're not making enough money as to how much it costs.
So you had that whole situation with AOC where Amazon was going to come in and bring these 40,000 jobs, potentially $30 billion over 10 years.
They needed that money to fix their train systems.
That didn't, it didn't happen.
siraj hashmi
And I guess, interestingly enough, with the amount of people that are probably leaving New York because of the lockdowns, I can imagine they're probably going to be making way for, you know, a vacuum of sorts.
tim pool
But I wonder, man.
I mean, Bill de Blasio said he's going to buy up these buildings, turn it into public housing.
I wonder if the economy is just worse than we realize, and they're not going to tell us because panic would only make it worse, right?
siraj hashmi
Well, yeah, obviously.
tim pool
If they came out and said, My fellow Americans, several large unions with hundreds of thousands of members put their money in dangerous places and lost the retirements of millions of middle-class Americans.
This is going to result in a ripple effect that wipes out... If they said something like that, people would freak out.
siraj hashmi
Oh, 100%.
Crash the banks.
tim pool
Exactly.
Remember what George W. Bush said after 9-11?
siraj hashmi
Which part?
How old are you?
I'm 33.
tim pool
Alright, so you should remember this.
He said, go buy stuff.
He said, go buy stuff.
siraj hashmi
by stuff. Well, because the 9-11 attack was in addition to being an actual terrorist attack
on the people, it was an attack on our financial center.
tim pool
And what he was basically saying was, if you want to help, go out and buy things to keep the
economy moving. When that attack happened and people are panicking, you get a natural
reaction from a lot of people to stock up, store up, save your money, and bunker down.
siraj hashmi
Right.
tim pool
And he was like, no, no, no, the machine's gotta keep churning.
You need to keep the machine going so we generate taxes, so we can pay for this stuff, so we can build new things.
Go buy stuff.
That's a scary prospect because that can't last forever, can it?
siraj hashmi
Right.
tim pool
So I don't know exactly if any of these conspiracies are true.
I would actually argue they're probably not.
That's why we call them conspiracies.
But I will say you can look at the crisis in 2008, the mass printing of money.
It was only a matter of time before we were going to see that bubble burst.
It could not be maintained.
ian crossland
Do you remember how much the 2008 bailout was for?
siraj hashmi
I was looking for like for nine hundred and eighty nine million dollars.
Yeah, that was our billion.
ian crossland
That was what was on the books.
siraj hashmi
I'm reading an article here from and that's too small.
ian crossland
This article from MIT quotes a 2015 Forbes article that says we've paid back four point six trillion of the sixteen point eight trillion that we committed to that bailout over.
I don't know how many years, 15 or 20 years or something.
Now, this is Forbes reporting that.
If we secretly committed $16 trillion in 2008 and we're still paying it back, maybe that's another explanation for why they just flooded the market with $12 trillion.
tim pool
I mean, dude, dude, the Federal Reserve, the fractional banking, fractional reserve system, it is a stack of cards.
It is literally a Ponzi scheme.
And it works because we have guns.
So at a certain point, it's gonna fall apart.
Like, you guys understand how banking in this country works, right?
ian crossland
Fractional reserve, as far as I understand, is the Federal Reserve will loan a bank a million dollars.
The bank then can loan out 90% of that.
So they can loan out $900,000.
tim pool
They need to keep 10% on reserve, but that loan is creating the money supply.
So when you give $100 to a bank, they can then loan out $90, which is created on the books.
ian crossland
And then to another bank.
Then that other bank takes that $90 and can loan out $81.
Not necessarily.
tim pool
So I put $100 in the bank of Ian.
necessarily. They loan it to you. So they give you so I put 100 bucks in the bank of
Ian. Then the bank of Ian is able to give a $90 loan to the bank of Siraj as an individual.
Siraj then- You don't get your own bank.
ian crossland
Not yet.
tim pool
But then you deposit your 90 bucks.
You deposit your 90 bucks into the bank of Lydia.
Now Lydia can loan out 90 percent.
siraj hashmi
Whoa, whoa.
Guys, this sounds a little bit racist.
unidentified
Talk about it.
tim pool
Well, I don't got a bank either.
siraj hashmi
Oh, I thought you just said you had the bank.
ian crossland
Change the federal reserve.
tim pool
So the point is...
A bank gives an individual money.
The individual puts it in a bank.
That bank then loans out.
Then an individual loans, puts it back in the bank.
So it's just basically a stack of cards.
It's basically a game of hot potato.
And where the debt keeps stacking up, the interest becomes impossible to pay.
And then Obama signs a massive stimulus.
The money printing goes out of control.
This was predictable a long time ago.
I mean, when did we go off the gold standard?
ian crossland
That was 1970, I think?
Yeah, the 72-73 shock.
siraj hashmi
Do you know what the issue there was?
tim pool
It's really, really simple.
If all four of us here in this room are trading, you know, one dollar between each other.
So it's like I give Ian a dollar in exchange for a high-five, then Ian gives Siraj a dollar in exchange for a high-five.
The only way to get that high-five is to have the dollar and make it to you.
So at one point, I decide, you know what?
I don't want to have to give away a high five to get that dollar.
I want all the high fives for myself.
So I tell all of you, hey guys, I'm gonna manage the money printer.
Don't worry, I'll make sure everything's good.
And then when you guys aren't paying attention, I just print money for myself.
I don't do any work.
Basically what happens is, we're able to fund all of these wars and all this conflict because the Fed can print out money, loan it to whoever they want, without contributing anything to society.
We've got missing trillions of dollars on the books or whatever from the Pentagon, some nonsense.
We've not audited the Fed.
We need to figure out how much money is being printed, who it's going to, and we don't know.
At a certain point, if they can just snap their fingers and create money on the books and we don't understand the system, other people are exploiting it.
The House of Cards is gonna fall over.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
unidentified
That's it.
siraj hashmi
And, I mean, you inspired me to make a great idea.
I'm definitely gonna start charging people for high fives.
lydia smith
Yes.
siraj hashmi
That's the way to go.
Specifically kids.
ian crossland
You know, this is another aspect of the situation that bothers me is the oil economy, because it's so obvious that we're moving off an oil economy onto like a nuclear economy or something.
siraj hashmi
Well, people still have an aversion to nuclear, so I don't think that's going to happen.
ian crossland
Right, nuclear fission.
People are afraid of the dirtiness of corium meltdowns, but like fusion or like thorium reactors, which is also a type of nuclear, which isn't dirty, doesn't have corium byproduct.
So we're, I mean, it's amazing tech, but there's this massive resistance because if we go off oil, they can't extort the rest of the world to use our dollar anymore.
siraj hashmi
I mean, they bring up a valid point.
I mean, think of how much oil runs our society.
Moving off of that.
I mean, that's why there's such a huge push to obviously not go towards solar and wind.
It's because the, I mean, not, I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not efficient.
tim pool
Right.
siraj hashmi
It's not efficient.
But also because the entire push is obviously like, you know, you got to focus on the coal industry.
You got to focus on the oil and gas industry.
And you know, we, as a nation are very conservative when it comes to changing where we're getting that money from.
ian crossland
Like the battery industry.
Elon Musk had to make a company to build them.
siraj hashmi
I know.
ian crossland
Because the government wouldn't do it.
tim pool
Well, why should the government do it anyway?
ian crossland
So that we can get us off oil.
But they don't want us off oil.
They want us to keep buying tanks of oil to keep in our base.
siraj hashmi
That's probably what I mean.
Besides what people think of Elon Musk's opinions, I mean, Elon Musk is a in many ways he is a trailblazer because he is creating a renewable source of energy, but also commercializing space flight and to the powers that be, whatever that may be.
That's a threat.
Because, you know, if you cede that power to Elon Musk... One word, bro.
tim pool
China.
China.
They're not going to stop using fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels have an excellent energy return on energy invested.
So we, these good and noble Americans, know that solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, and hydro-dam electricity, all of these things are great cleaner alternatives.
They don't produce that carbon emission.
But they don't have a high enough return on the energy investment.
In fact, to build solar panels requires a ton of oil.
Wind turbines as well.
Plus we don't have the batteries for them.
ian crossland
What's the batteries?
tim pool
Yeah, so we need a continuous supply.
So fusion would be fantastic.
Nuclear power, absolutely, but the activists don't want that either.
And I have to wonder why that is, because that can really make us powerful.
siraj hashmi
I mean, if someone figures out a way to make a car run on Dreams and Starlight, it's over.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, definitely, because then we're going to build spaceships and, you know, rockets and lasers.
ian crossland
Theoretically, what would happen if we went off the oil economy?
Not that we stopped using it, but that we stopped relying on it tomorrow because everyone had batteries and could charge everything.
tim pool
Well, we'd still have to kill people overseas.
We got it.
We got to make sure that we're bombing those kids.
Otherwise, these other rambunctious countries will stop, you know, bending the knee to us.
siraj hashmi
Oh, my God.
ian crossland
Would China gain power or lose power in the hegemony?
tim pool
If we get off the petrodollar, China just... It's done.
They take over.
ian crossland
Because we couldn't extort our allies to fight for us?
tim pool
Allies?
Who do you think we're extorting?
ian crossland
We're extorting... Who's buying our oil?
siraj hashmi
What are you talking about?
Everybody hates us.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
Here's how... Even our allies hate us.
ian crossland
Is Britain buying our oil?
tim pool
Everybody.
siraj hashmi
Everybody.
We're a net exporter of oil.
tim pool
It's not just that.
Let's say, you know, you're the country of Ian, right?
And I'm the United States.
siraj hashmi
Oh, do I get my own country?
tim pool
Actually, you're the federation.
ian crossland
The grand principality of the list.
tim pool
The federation of the list.
It's multiple countries.
You get multiple countries.
Excellent.
So we've got this trade federation over here, and we got the country of Ian, and I'm the United States.
OK, I want oil.
It's really simple.
Hey, Fed, print me a trillion dollars so I can buy oil.
They do.
I buy oil.
Thanks, guys, for all your hard work.
Then Ian says, yo, I want oil, too.
OK, well, if you want these dollars, you got to pay up.
Give me your money, and I'll give you some dollars.
ian crossland
I'll give you some of my Ian currency, and you're like, no, no, no.
You need my currency to buy my oil.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
You need to buy my currency first.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It's not my oil.
It's your oil.
You produced it in your country, and we forced you to put it on the international market, and if you want to buy it back, you buy dollars from us first.
Now, your trade federation, same deal.
It's the oil produced in your own countries put on the international market.
If you want some of it, you gotta buy it in US dollars.
So trade for me and I'll give you what I think is fair.
What ends up happening is, many countries have to be net exporters.
In order to keep the strength of their currency sound, so they can buy US dollars in order to buy oil, even if it's produced by them or someone else.
So, we know what happens to countries that talk about getting off the petrodollar.
Muammar Gaddafi.
He wanted to trade in dinars.
He died!
What did he do?
Too bad.
ian crossland
Venezuela, North Korea.
tim pool
Venezuela.
Saddam Hussein, he said, why not the euro?
And he died.
It's a really weird coincidence how that happens.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Maduro's a villain.
tim pool
And then there's the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, right?
The US wanted to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey into Europe.
unidentified
And then Syria fell into civil war.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's really funny how all that goes down, isn't it?
Yeah, that is interesting.
So, if oil stops being that, like, you know, principal source of energy, then we don't have leverage over these other countries.
ian crossland
Fiscally, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, if fusion technology became rampant, like, just ubiquitous, and then all of a sudden we go to, you know, this one country and we're like, yo, you haven't been calling to buy dollars in oil from us, and they're like, oh, we got fusion, we're good.
Really good example.
You guys ever watch Rick and Morty?
siraj hashmi
I know exactly what you're talking about.
tim pool
The battery episode.
siraj hashmi
Sounds like slavery with extra steps.
tim pool
Exactly.
So in this show, Rick, his car breaks down.
And his battery is a microverse.
siraj hashmi
It's a microverse, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so inside it, he's got this little universe where he tells all these people to step on these platforms.
siraj hashmi
Like a DDR.
Yeah, Dance Dance Revolution.
tim pool
And it generates electricity, which he siphons some off of.
But then there's a scientist in that universe who creates another microscopic universe.
And so basically what happens is...
Rick shows up and he's like, yo, what's going on?
You're not making electricity anymore.
And they're like, don't worry, we figured it out.
We don't need you anymore.
So then he threatens to destroy their universe unless they get back to generating his power for him.
So the U.S., if we get one of these smaller countries, some small Middle Eastern country, all of a sudden they, boom, fusion ignition.
We got clean running energy.
It is generating tons and tons of power.
And they go, we don't need oil anymore.
Well, all of a sudden, the U.S.
is gonna be like, hey, we haven't heard from, uh, Ian Country in a little bit.
What's going on?
Don't they need dollars to buy oil?
So they show up one day on a diplomatic mission, and they go, so, so, you guys, uh, is something wrong?
Do you need oil?
ian crossland
No, nothing's wrong.
Everything's great.
We have fusion now.
tim pool
You have fusion?
And then he pulls out his Beretta, and he clicks it, and he goes, bang!
And then he goes, problem solved, guys!
unidentified
Anybody else want to use fusion power?
tim pool
So look, look, I'm being very, very facetious.
It's much more complicated than that.
It's not so simple.
It's not like the U.S.
is a gigantic supervillain of a nation, but that is a big concern.
I do believe if we ever actually reached fusion ignition, the U.S.
would quickly use that to reshape the world in its favor.
I don't think the U.S.
is purposefully holding back electrical technologies, you know.
siraj hashmi
And it gets back to your point about China, because all of our interests, all of our politicians are basically sold out to them.
And there's going to be no concerted effort or urgency to switch over to that because, again, The status quo is that oil runs everything.
If you want to win re-election, you've got to continue making sure that the oil industry is satisfied.
tim pool
It's not just that.
So even if we perfect nuclear or fusion, it's going to take a long time and a lot of energy.
How much can we allocate in that direction?
The fear is China is building new coal power plants.
They're absolutely exploiting fossil fuels, and fossil fuels have a tremendously high energy return on energy invested.
So if the U.S.
shifts to renewable energies or developing new power plants, we are at a disadvantage.
China is rapidly expanding and growing, and it seems like we're losing that fight anyway, so at this point, get the fusion online, baby.
ian crossland
Do you think that there's a concerted effort behind the scenes for the United States and China to divide the world between them with a petrodollar economy?
And they're letting us bicker about human rights violations, but they don't really care, because for them it's business.
tim pool
No, what do you mean?
China is about to overtake the U.S.
And the U.S.
is flailing and flopping about.
ian crossland
But they know we could never go to war because of the nuclear conflict, so they're like... That's not true.
I mean, well, that we should never go to war.
tim pool
I mean, both governments... Well, you should never go to war for any reason, and nobody ever really wanted war.
ian crossland
I think there are sometimes... Some people, I guess.
siraj hashmi
A military-industrial complex wants war.
ian crossland
Or like when there's a marauding force slaughtering humans and you need to intercede.
tim pool
Like ISIS.
Bro, nukes will be fired if war breaks out.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
So nobody really wants that, I don't think.
But I wonder if there's this business class that's using both these countries to basically partition the globe.
And that's why there hasn't been a move on the human rights violations in the Uyghurs at all.
tim pool
I don't think there's any grand plan to partition the globe.
That's just that's that's too much.
siraj hashmi
I think the grand plan is ultimately decoupling.
You mentioned, obviously, does this aggression happen under any other administration?
It has.
But this would be the trajectory that China would be going down, regardless of whether Trump or Biden was in office now.
Right.
Because the idea is that Right now, a lot of these global corporations, they can live off of basically selling a set of products just to the Chinese citizens and then a set of products to the rest of the world.
They will actually manufacture stuff differently for two different audiences or two different I mean, that's true for a lot of factories, you know that, right?
tim pool
Like, when you go to Walmart to buy a TV, you're getting a different TV than if you buy it at Best Buy.
People don't realize that.
No, and I mean it.
So, if you go and there's a Sony or like, you know, a Samsung TV at Walmart, made with different materials than the Samsung TV at Best Buy.
ian crossland
Same model, different materials?
tim pool
Yeah.
That's my understanding.
You know, fact check me on this one.
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Well, I know Google specifically tailors their search algorithms for different countries, different regions.
tim pool
What do you mean?
If you, if you Google search right now, anybody listening, if you Google search auto repair, are they going to send you New York auto repair?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They're going to know exactly where you are and they're going to show you auto repair.
ian crossland
They actually give different tech, like different coding of their browsers and stuff.
Like they gave China a specific browser that could be used to track the people, if I'm not mistaken.
Because China wouldn't let Google into the country, so they had to, like, build a specific... Well, they were working on... What was that thing called?
tim pool
Dragon something?
And then they got... Google employees revolted.
Yeah, Dragonfly something?
Google employees revolted that Google was working with China, so then Google backed off.
Google's response was, well, if we don't go in and do this, someone else will.
At least then we'll have some control.
It's like, no, you won't.
If you go, when these companies go to China and they do, they have to open up a CCP wing of their company.
They create like a division of the Chinese Communist Party and their companies.
So I'll tell you this.
If the NBA, if this is true, this is what we heard from China Uncensored.
If the NBA has a company, a branch operating in China, That would imply the Chinese Communist Party has influence in the NBA.
In the United States as well as in China.
Because they'll go to them and say, case in point, when the NBA banned the phrase Free Hong Kong on customizable jerseys, remember this?
siraj hashmi
Yeah, I remember that.
tim pool
That was in America!
Why?
Because the NBA in China, the Chinese went to them and said, don't allow people in America to say Free Hong Kong.
They went, you got it, buddy.
And so when you try to type it in, it'll give you an error.
siraj hashmi
Right.
tim pool
Look, I mean, dude, we had Blizzard, the gaming company, they have the game Hearthstone.
One of the people competing held up a sign that said, free Hong Kong, and so the player got suspended, created a huge controversy, and then they were like, oh no no no, they got suspended because it was political in general, and we're not all about that.
It's like, oh dude, we get it.
It's because you have people, you have a branch in China, and China told you.
So we're already there.
Chinese Communist Party has its tendrils across the globe.
And whether anyone realizes it or not, I mean, Bill Maher said it, we lost.
We lost already.
ian crossland
I don't know.
That is very pessimistic of him to say that.
I think that we're definitely losing the military game.
But like, if it's a grand game of Civ and you can win with religion, with culture, with military, with science, I don't think they're winning across the board.
They're really, really...
Totalitarian.
Like, the people hate it in China, from what I can tell.
They're just not allowed to say it.
So that, we got that working for them.
Or for us, rather.
Well, you said something about decoupling.
siraj hashmi
I wanted to just... Yeah, so decoupling means that, you know, trade between the United States and China, you know, it cessates.
There's no more trade.
And so whatever relations that did exist, no longer exist.
And so you basically would have to rely on any manufacturing company that would exist Say like, say an Apple or a, not Disney, but let's just focus on Apple for a second.
If Apple was manufacturing iPhones in China and say the United States and China decouple, then all of a sudden Apple has to figure out how they're gonna manufacture their stuff and be able to sell that over in the United States and the rest of the world.
tim pool
And overnight that factory in China becomes property of China.
siraj hashmi
Exactly.
tim pool
And then they have the iPhone factories and they make iPhones for themselves and then we don't.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's move to US media real quick because I want to advance the conversation.
We have this tweet from Glenn Greenwald which is going to blow everybody's minds.
Glenn tweeted, if you're a critic of the media, you need to hear this.
Glenn Greenwald tweeted, Read this amazing section from Judge Silberman's dissent today in a defamation case before the D.C.
Circuit on how an increasingly ideologically homogenized U.S.
media is not only threatening core free speech values, but also the ability to be informed.
In his dissent he wrote, it is well accepted that viewpoint discrimination raises the specter that the government may effectively drive certain ideas or viewpoints from the marketplace, but ideological homogeneity in the media or in the channels of information distribution RISKS REPRESSING CERTAIN IDEAS FROM THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS, JUST AS SURELY AS IF ACCESS WERE RESTRICTED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
TO BE SURE, THERE ARE FEW NOTABLE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IDEOLOGICAL CONTROL.
FOX NEWS, THE NEW YORK POST, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL'S EDITORIAL PAGE.
IT SHOULD BE SOBERING FOR THOSE CONCERNED ABOUT NEWS BIAS THAT THESE INSTITUTIONS ARE CONTROLLED BY A SINGLE MAN AND HIS SON.
WILL A LONE HOLDOUT REMAIN IN WHAT IS OTHERWISE A FRIGHTENINGLY ORTHODOX MEDIA CULTURE?
After all, there are serious efforts to muzzle Fox News.
And although upstart mainly online conservative networks have emerged in recent years,
I think it might go on. No, so he doesn't continue from there, but I'll read the next
section that Glenn posts. He said, it should be born in the mind that the first step taken by
any potential authoritarian or dictatorial regime is to gain control of communications,
particularly the delivery of news.
It is fair to conclude, therefore, that one-party control of the press and media is a threat to a viable democracy.
It may even give rise to countervailing extremism.
The First Amendment guarantees a free press to foster a vibrant trade in ideas.
But a biased press can distort the marketplace.
And when the media has proven its willingness, if not eagerness, to so distort, it is a profound mistake to stand by unjustified legal rules that serve only to enhance the press's power.
Absolutely amazing to hear that.
But maybe it's too little too late.
But I'll tell you this, it is absolutely true.
How sobering, as Judge Silverman describes it, that the main resistance to democratic orthodoxy in the media is Murdoch.
ian crossland
So they said it's one really old man.
And his son.
Is that who they're talking about?
Murdoch's son?
siraj hashmi
Lachlan.
tim pool
Lachlan.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But is Lachlan the one?
Isn't he woke or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's over, everybody.
Back it in.
We're going home and welcome to your new cult.
ian crossland
I think we're incredibly resilient as humans.
So if someone is speaking out against it, that means that means we have a chance.
lydia smith
Maybe so.
tim pool
It's a dissent.
I mean, is this too little too late?
I absolutely think it is, man.
Maybe not, maybe not.
Look, there's a lot of people watching this show right now, and this is not a... You know what?
No, no, no.
I was gonna say we're not ideological here, but we are absolutely ideologically motivated here.
Classically liberal, libertarian, and socially liberal values represent the conversations we have here for the most part.
There's a reason.
It's really fascinating.
Why leftists are so hard to book because they're authoritarian orthodoxy.
It's very hard to speak safely when you exist inside the confines of their moral framework.
That's why I've done numerous interviews.
I did an interview in Berkeley with this woman.
I'm standing in the street and I'm filming.
Some woman walks up and starts talking to me and I'm holding my camera.
I asked her some questions.
She answered.
She gave horrible answers.
Five minutes later, she walks up to me and says, delete the footage.
No joke.
And I said, I'm filming and you walked up to me.
I'm not deleting it.
And she was like, no, you have to.
I don't give you permission.
And I was like, I don't need your permission.
You're in public talking to me while I'm filming.
I don't try to generate controversy though.
So I blurred her face.
I'm not trying to drag her.
I'm not trying to get some random woman on the street in trouble with the woke, but I did want to show what she had basically said was conservatives who get physically attacked deserve it because of the way they dress.
She said there was a woman wearing a MAGA hat.
She was asking for it.
No joke.
No joke.
And so the issue there is when you think about the moral framework that exists in the minds of these people, when they say women who are wearing certain clothes aren't asking for it, but when it comes to Trump supporters, they are, it shows there's no actual principle behind their moral framework other than join the tribe or burn.
She wanted me to delete the footage because her ideas would get her cancelled.
When people heard what she said, you can't stick your neck out.
So many of these people, they do their shows, the priests of the orthodoxy.
The guests we have on this show, who are more than happy to come and speak, are confident in themselves, in classically liberal ideals of freedom of speech, and being honest, expressing themselves, and they're not scared about what the woke mob's gonna do to them.
siraj hashmi
Well, that's, I mean, I think you're, that's an overstatement for me, since I have a very low self-esteem, which is why I got into media, so that my parents would know that's who I am.
tim pool
There you go.
You've succeeded.
As for most of these journalists who work at mainstream publications, Um, yeah, you know, that's interesting.
siraj hashmi
And that's that dissent, you know, I don't as as groundbreaking as that may be or shattering as that may be.
If that were, say, any other if there were a celebrity that had, like, say, a red pill moment, it said something like that.
tim pool
Maybe Sarah Silverman.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
She came out recently and said, I don't want to be associated with either party because of the elitism and the absolute.
siraj hashmi
Well, what's her name?
Oh, the name is escaping me.
Rose McGowan.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, definitely.
siraj hashmi
When she had her moment, that was big.
That was huge, especially in the in the middle of a presidential election.
She's like, I don't what the accusations of Tara Reid against then candidate Joe Biden was enough for me.
And the way it was handled from her charmed co-star Alyssa Milano.
Yeah, that was enough for her to be like, I'm done.
That's it.
tim pool
I want to be optimistic right now.
You know why?
They're not cool people.
Who wants to be like them?
You know, do you want to be one of these, like, easily agitated, panicky, finicky, woke culture warriors working for one of these publications?
Some people, but it's remnants of the old world, right?
So the New York Times has Prestige.
Was it the Grey Lady?
The Paper of Record?
Young people grow up, millennials, hearing great stories about the prestigious New York Times.
It is my dream to be a Times journalist.
Congratulations, they hired you, and now you complain about TikTokers.
Is that what you really thought you were gonna be doing?
Or did you think you were gonna be, like, meeting in a parking garage, and some, like, source walks up, and he's got a manila folder, and he's like, please, don't tell anyone I was here, otherwise they'll kill me, and you're like, don't worry.
I'm going to expose these criminals and then in reality, you're like, so the 17 year old on TikTok, you're never going to believe this, like as a TikTok mansion, right?
But then like one of his friends showed up.
That's what the New York Times has become.
Who wants to be that today?
What young person who's actually on TikTok is looking at what these journalists at the New York Times are and going, I really want to be like that when I grow up.
They're not doing that.
So what's happening now is these woke culture warriors of cancel culture at these big publications are not cool, and nobody wants to be like them.
Young people, especially.
siraj hashmi
You ever seen the show, The Boys?
Oh yeah, of course.
I don't know why this conversation reminds me of that, but it's specifically in the storyline of the first season with Starlight, who is trying to get into the Seven of Vaad.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, she's a superhero.
She wants to join the big superhero organization.
siraj hashmi
Right, yeah.
And then she gets there, and she realizes, obviously, this is all a big charade.
This is a corporate entity.
They don't care about actually saving people's lives.
They care about the money flow.
If you haven't watched it, I highly recommend it.
tim pool
Good show.
siraj hashmi
It is a good show, which it got off Amazon Prime because we're now basically pumping up Jeff Bezos's numbers.
tim pool
But it kind of shows that classical trope of, you know, don't meet your heroes.
siraj hashmi
Right.
tim pool
She really, really wanted to be this big hero, join this big organization, and then she realized it was actually really awful.
Everyone sucked.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
And she didn't want to be there anymore.
But that is very much media today.
No, but it's worse than that.
siraj hashmi
Here's what I mean.
tim pool
In the show The Boys, The Seven, which is like the Justice League, they're cool.
They're celebrities.
Everybody wants to be them.
They're in the movies.
They got endorsement deals.
Who wants to go work for the Daily Beast to write about, I don't know, cats or something stupid that's nonsensical and made up?
No, who wants to be that when they grow up?
Nobody.
So here's my point.
We've talked about how movies today, going woke, are becoming like Christian films used to be.
You know, like good, what is it, good flicks or whatever?
lydia smith
Yeah, pure flicks.
tim pool
Pure flicks.
And everybody, everybody always laughs and then like jokingly ribs me for like, hey, don't make fun of pure flicks.
It's like watching those really, like, really campy religious versions of films with, like, Bible Man or whatever and VeggieTales and stuff.
VeggieTales.
As the woke cult takes over Hollywood, movies become preachy, boring and nonsensical, and uncool.
You gotta watch—have you seen The New Craft?
siraj hashmi
No.
tim pool
You will absolutely hate it.
You know why?
I don't care about the wokeness.
It's not a good movie.
It makes no sense, the pacing is off, I have no idea what the message is, and it's just like... nothing happens, I guess?
And then a guy bursts into flames or something?
The whole movie is a woke PSA, where they just keep giving off woke potshots of like, they'll be walking down the street and then one person makes a comment about being trans, and you're like, what does that have to do with the movie?
Like, why is this dialogue in the film?
Because they want to make sure you know they're woke.
The wokeness is more important in the storyline.
Thus, they've created something boring that nobody wants to engage with, the movie will fail, and then kids who see it will grow up thinking, that's not cool, I don't want to be like that.
If it's not cool and doesn't inspire youth, it won't exist.
ian crossland
Who are your heroes?
siraj hashmi
My heroes?
Oh, they're mostly rappers, but they're not really heroes.
I don't know.
I mean, I, I actually, no, my, I have, my heroes are like my dad and my grandpa, like my legitimate heroes.
People I think are like through and through the greatest people I know.
And I don't, the thing is, and that's exactly what it is.
The never meet you heroes.
I don't have any like celebrity heroes.
ian crossland
Well, you said rappers.
siraj hashmi
I like rappers.
I love hip hop.
They're inspirations in how I can make music.
ian crossland
I love this so much.
siraj hashmi
I love them.
ian crossland
My heroes are Dave Grohl and Eddie Vedder, man.
unidentified
It's musicians.
siraj hashmi
It's real people.
Yeah, I know it's the real people, but that's the thing.
I'm terrified of the potential of meeting any of them because of how... Super flawed, but they still inspire you.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Who are your heroes?
tim pool
I don't have any heroes.
ian crossland
Did you used to?
tim pool
Never.
ian crossland
Growing up, you never watched people?
tim pool
No, I'm too arrogant.
I'm not even kidding.
I would watch skate videos and there'd be like a pro who's like the best in the world and I'm sitting there going, I can do that.
My friends would be like, shut up!
You're not going to tre flip a 10 stair.
ian crossland
And I'm like, oh yeah?
tim pool
And then I would go and throw myself down the stairs and get hurt.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
Well, the reason I brought it up is because- I was not that good, but I was certainly arrogant enough to think I was.
ian crossland
My heroes are not these people that write these piece.
I don't think anyone looks up to these people and thinks, I don't want to be like that guy that wrote that piece.
No, but they look at musicians.
They look at like great performers.
That's the real challenge in life.
siraj hashmi
And it's mostly a way of how they think, because musicians just generally think a different way.
They see sounds, you know?
They can compose music, they can create stuff out of thin air, and it just resonates with people.
It gives you chills, and when you hear your favorite song, you ever get chills down your spine when you hear that?
tim pool
Music affects us physiologically.
Like, you know, the beats, it's like...
And it affects our brains in certain ways, it triggers emotions, and we like feeling good.
And we like being made to feel, so we like the people who make us feel that way.
But there's something interesting about it.
I will say though, we've already met our heroes because of Twitter, and they were all awful.
Look, I don't look up to actors, and I don't care for actors.
I think they're just actors, and I've never understood the obsession with celebrity.
I've always just been like, I don't care, who cares?
Bernie shaved their head, whatever.
But now we get to actually meet these people and we learned.
You know, Chris Evans, for instance, Mark Ruffalo.
They're really nasty people, right?
Chris Evans is okay.
He's kind of nasty.
Mark Ruffalo is one of the meanest people I've ever seen on the internet.
It's like he just posts nasty things.
David Cross, also a mean guy.
And I'm surprised at how many comedians and celebrities are just nasty.
It's really messed up.
You look at Joe Rogan's Twitter, what do you see?
Instagram posts of him eating steak and his dog.
And people like Joe Rogan, you know why?
Because when you see him for who he is, you're like, oh, he seems like a cool dude.
But then you turn to some of these other comedians and actors and stuff, and they're just posting nasty things, screaming, posting pictures of decapitated Trump heads, and you're like, I don't want to be around that.
siraj hashmi
You know what I mean?
You know, this is kind of why the list exists.
tim pool
The list of people who should have their phones taken away.
siraj hashmi
People who should have their phones taken away, because it's designed to save people from themselves.
And the reason for that is because, as you mentioned, people are really nasty online.
tim pool
But if you don't enforce the list, then what does the list really do?
siraj hashmi
Well, that's why I went independent, Tim.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, there's gonna be like two guys in suits showing up to like Brian Seltzer's house knocking on the door and be like, Brian, it's time.
And they take his phone from him.
siraj hashmi
If I could do that, I'd do that right away.
tim pool
Brian Seltzer specifically.
siraj hashmi
I'm looking for seed money.
Anybody interested?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah, you're launching my Twitter DMs. You're launching a network the Siraj
BB Network, yeah You like just went just went live just went like solo. Yeah
tim pool
today today is today's my final day. Yeah So maybe what you make will actually be something
inspirational to young people and they'll be like when I grow up
I want to make a list of people should have their phones taken away
siraj hashmi
Well, the idea is that I don't do it forever and I have a snow but you got to pass the list on
I gotta pass the list on.
It's like the Captain America shield.
tim pool
But listen, this is what I'm talking about.
The list is important.
You know why?
Because it's funny.
It's hilarious.
And people block you when you put them on the list.
siraj hashmi
So for those that aren't familiar... By the way, your guest from yesterday, Kurt Schlichter, he blocked me because I put him on the list.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
All right, so basically the way it works is someone tweets something really dumb, and then if it qualifies for like, you should have your phone taken away for tweeting that, you'll tweet at them like it's a meme post.
siraj hashmi
There's one, there was one, I think of writing hand emojis.
tim pool
Right.
There was one of you as Consuela from Family Guy, I think.
One of you in a truck full of people with a coyote driving the car and all the blue text being taken away.
It's funny.
People see it and they laugh.
There's going to be some young kid who's seeing the world of politics.
He sees someone like Brian Stelter from CNN tweet something really dumb, like Tucker Carlson is the new Donald Trump or whatever.
Did you put him on the list for that one or no?
siraj hashmi
That's a tame take, honestly.
tim pool
Right, right.
But some kid will see that post, see everybody laughing, and he'll think, that's cool.
It makes people laugh.
It exudes strength.
And what that person posted was really dumb.
I don't want to be like the person put on the list.
I want to be the person naming people who should be on the list.
siraj hashmi
Well, it's interesting because I've gotten criticisms like I'm a hall monitor or I'm, you know, I'm basically waging a harassment campaign against people, which is obviously not true.
Try more.
I've had people have meltdowns about me putting them on the list.
Like this is the I think of a few people from very early on.
I'm talking like December 2019 when this thing was still like in its infancy.
The reason why I started it was literally one of those things where your recent Twitter habits just came out of thin air.
It was George Conway dunking on his wife Kellyanne in a quote tweet.
tim pool
He's the Lincoln Project guy.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, the Lincoln Project guy.
And it was like one of those things were like, Oh no, you should never do that in public.
Give me that phone, George.
That is taking your phone away.
Give me that phone, man.
Um, and he is the first person I put at number one and he doesn't have a blue check.
He's not verified, but like everybody thinks it's because there's everybody, the list comes for all, but like there's a higher standard to meet if you're not verified because literally anybody could just post whatever you want.
If you're not verified, if you're verified, there's a, you know, obviously like a standard that you, you, Well, yeah, you got the endorsement of Twitter.
Exactly.
ian crossland
I was thinking that some of the value of your work, too, is like you mentioned the resonation that you feel from a musician, that vibration.
Also, you put yourself on camera and your voice, so you're creating resonance, literal, physical resonance.
It's so different than just writing, being behind a typing thing and putting words on the internet.
Like, that's how you really affect people, in my opinion.
I think this media, this internet video media is so powerful.
siraj hashmi
I prefer video more than writing every day of the week.
That was my strength.
I mean, I was a commentary video writer.
I mean, sorry, commentary video editor.
I do edit videos, but, like, they had writer in there.
I just, you know, because I did write from time to time, but, like, it was...
If I, it turned out in probably like the last like three years of me being at The Examiner, is that if I wrote anything, it would already be a video.
So like, without you seeing an article, it's really just like the script that I had in the video.
It is a better way of reaching people because most people don't like to read.
I mean, that's just kind of the way the world people have very low attention attention spans.
tim pool
Well, they can turn on a podcast and go work on something else.
siraj hashmi
Exactly.
And that's why podcasts have become so effective.
That's why audio books have become so so effective, is that you can literally multitask as you're listening to this stuff.
And if you have to rewind, you can rewind.
You know, no one cares.
tim pool
Yeah, you're free to do it.
But people play video games listening to podcasts.
They go to work.
siraj hashmi
That's very tough to do.
I don't know how.
ian crossland
You just pause it when they say something really cool and then go rewind it and watch.
tim pool
I mean, I've done that.
You know, it's like you're making breakfast or whatever.
You turn on a podcast and you sit and make breakfast.
It's like watching TV.
siraj hashmi
But I almost always Twitch stream now when I play video games.
I don't know.
I should probably just game offline for a bit.
tim pool
It's gonna be really interesting the future because I see a lot of people like everybody has a twitch channel and they'll get like seven live viewers or whatever and I'm like who are these like seven people who are watching instead of playing and doing the stream themselves and what happens when everyone does and then everyone is streaming them playing a game and no one's watching a lot of people just have it on in the background yeah a lot of people yeah so it's you hear people saying like so I'm gonna go steal this car and then light this hooker on fire sometimes I'll I'll play the game heroes of the storm. It's a MOBA
ian crossland
multiplayer online battle arena game and it sometimes It's just so stressful that I just want to watch other
people play it So I don't have to worry about winning or losing. I just
siraj hashmi
enjoy the process. I mean, I'm not very competitive at all which means I suck but I
do enjoy just like the interaction and the fun that you get with like if if you play with a community of people like
Just, like, the enjoyment and the jokes and laughter that you have with them.
Yeah, some people just take gaming way too seriously, and that's probably why everybody wants to, like, crack down on gamers.
ian crossland
What have you been streaming lately?
siraj hashmi
I do play the Black Ops Cold War, Ghost of Tsushima.
I'm trying to get into more of these samurai games.
I hear Nioh as well as Sekiro are really money.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a Souls type game.
siraj hashmi
I am playing Demon's Souls on PS5.
Very difficult game.
tim pool
We actually have a streaming rig for gaming we're setting up.
There's a lot of expansion on the way.
The first thing we have to do is create the new TeamCast.com website.
Then we've got to create the new brand website for all verticals, gaming, mystery podcasts and all that stuff.
But it'll happen when it happens, I guess.
We're going to be hiring and just got to grow organically.
It's not super easy to just do outright.
It's coming.
But how about we go over to Super Chats to see what everyone else has to say.
My friends, if you are listening and you have not already smashed that like button, you should, because it is greatly appreciated.
And go to TimCast.com, become a member for exclusive members-only segments.
Actually, we got a Super Chat here.
I'll just read it.
Again, for some reason, YouTube always blocks the name of the first Super Chat, so I can't see it.
But they ask, will we see the Chicken City this weekend?
We did actually.
It's not a big city.
It's just like four little chicken houses.
We have it built.
It is 99% done.
We just have to add one more security layer.
It's this big fenced off area and then we've like dug into the ground so that there's it's it's it's pretty secure.
But the issue is, we wanted to go get chickens, and it's still a little too cold.
So, we were supposed to be able to bring the chickens out to the Chicken City this week.
I think we're gonna wait, because they're still a little small, and it's still a little cold out.
Colder than we expected it was gonna be.
So it might be another week, but maybe we will finally film something.
And I always keep saying that, and it just, like, never happens.
So, uh, fingers crossed.
It's there.
ian crossland
It's a Potemkin Village.
siraj hashmi
Potemkin Village.
ian crossland
A chicken ghost town.
There's no chickens in it yet.
siraj hashmi
Are you sure it's not a chicken microverse?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Microverse.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
And we're gonna- Powering all the electricity in the studio.
ian crossland
The chickens are very young.
You just mentioned that.
The chickens are like kind of babies still, right?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adolescent.
They're good to go now to be on their own outside, like they're big enough.
But, you know, the guy we bought them from was like, you might lose some, but you know, you'll probably be fine.
And I was like, We'll just keep them inside for another week just to be safe, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
They should be fine, though.
ian crossland
In the temperature?
tim pool
Yeah, right now.
But, uh, I think we want to be safe.
But, uh, maybe I'll just, we'll film some of them doing chicken stuff and show you what we got going on.
All right, let's see.
We got Mr. Pool Doesn't Call On Me says, Tim, how does it feel to go from super white and not cared about to suddenly top of the oppressed charts and everyone loves you?
It's, uh, it's what I've always dreamed of, you know?
So as you know, Asian people were called white for the longest time, and so I'm double white, basically.
siraj hashmi
I'm double white, too.
tim pool
Yeah, you see?
There you go.
But now, Asians are an oppressed group again.
siraj hashmi
Hell yeah.
How did that happen?
ian crossland
Let's go.
People got attacked, and now they're like that?
siraj hashmi
Yeah, the Atlanta shooting.
Did you know that?
ian crossland
I've heard about it, but that's all it was?
tim pool
Well, there was a couple of other hate crimes, a lot of hate crimes.
siraj hashmi
Like Oakland and San Francisco.
tim pool
There was a big march against white nationalism to help support an Asian man who was attacked by a black guy in New York.
siraj hashmi
And then a few other... There was a grandma, an Asian grandma who was attacked.
tim pool
Oh, and she beat the guy with a stick.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, beat the crap out of him.
tim pool
That's weird.
I don't know what the full story is on that one, though.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, I really hope somebody got cell phone video of that.
tim pool
This big protest in New York, I bring it up because that was one of the big, you know, things we saw of like thousands of people marching against white nationalism, which was like a weird thing to march against, but it did generate attention for the hate crimes against Asians.
So now we had that, uh, that incident that occurred in Atlanta where this guy was like a sex addict.
And so he was going to, he was accusing these shops of being like, you know, rub off shacks or whatever.
And then he killed a bunch of people.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, he killed eight people.
tim pool
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
So at least six of them were Asian.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Okay.
So he wasn't, from what I heard, he wasn't targeting any ethnicity.
tim pool
Depends on what you read.
ian crossland
I see.
siraj hashmi
That's the thing, is that we don't, again, the investigation as it plays out, we will see.
Because I don't know anything, I don't know much about this guy.
And I don't know if he had animus towards Asians.
It's possible.
We'll wait for the facts to come in.
And I mean, the unfortunate thing is, you know, as we were talking about how there's like two different Americans, two different Americas with competing information.
This is one of those things where there's competing information about it.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, look.
What we know about what the guy claims is that he was a sex addict.
And then you get the media, mostly the left media, trying to claim it doesn't matter what he says.
And then you have that tweet from this woman who said, she was like, just a rule or something.
You don't get to decide if you're racist.
It's your actions that everyone else gets to decide if you're racist or not.
So I was like, then I've decided based on your actions, you're racist.
lydia smith
That makes you racist.
tim pool
So... And if you deny it, that's proof.
siraj hashmi
It also reminds me, you remember in like 2015, there was a parking dispute in North Carolina in an apartment complex and one neighbor, a white man, shot and killed three Muslim-Americans.
tim pool
I don't remember that, no.
siraj hashmi
Young people, they were like all in their late teens, early twenties.
unidentified
Whoa.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
unidentified
That sucks.
siraj hashmi
And everyone said, yeah, this is Islamophobic.
I think I was on the bandwagon of saying, yeah, that's straight up an anti-Muslim attack.
Um, and we, I don't even know if we still know the answer, whether he actually had animus towards these, towards Muslims.
tim pool
I think crime.
siraj hashmi
It was one that it was, yeah, it was like, it was a, it was a brutal murder and it was horrific.
And this guy is now, I think he's serving life in prison, but it was one of those things where like, is it a hate crime?
The evidence of what we saw at the time did not really add up, but the fact that he murdered three Muslim women in hijab in the head covering, that was another one of those types of debates.
ian crossland
They say correlation is not causation.
tim pool
A crime's a crime.
Why should we criminalize motivation?
Because then we're trying to read someone's mind, right?
siraj hashmi
Well, I mean, because of the hate crime.
The idea, like, because hate crime, I guess, carries a more severe penalty.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, like, if someone commits murder, they commit murder.
You know what I mean?
Well, I get that, but it's, you know, there is such a thing as malice and intent, and... So then we should have... Okay, so if you commit a murder, and there's, like, no known motivation, it's just murder.
But if you commit murder to steal money, then it's larcenal murder or financial murder.
And then if you commit murder because of the clothes they're wearing, then it's fashion murder.
And then we'll have different levels of punishment based on what you were feeling before you murdered the person.
siraj hashmi
I mean, they're politically inspired.
I mean, if they are talking about the fashion stuff, I mean, who kills... I mean, they're... I mean... He was wearing a vest!
tim pool
Vests are out of style!
siraj hashmi
Well, I mean, think about all the people that get murdered for their shoes, for their chain.
tim pool
Absolutely.
So here's the issue.
You know, in DC, if you see a guy in a MAGA hat and you beat him, it's a hate crime?
siraj hashmi
I don't know.
tim pool
But if he doesn't have a hat on... In D.C., if you punch a guy and say it's because he was wearing a MAGA hat, you committed a hate crime.
ian crossland
Oh, if you say it's because of it?
tim pool
Not just if he has it on?
Look, this is the problem with hate crimes.
Like, if there's a dude walking down the street wearing a MAGA hat and someone punches him, that person can be charged with a hate crime because political class is a protected... politics is a protected class in D.C.
For obvious reasons.
The issue I take with it is that we're trying to figure out people's, like, internal morals and motivations instead of looking at them and saying, he punched a guy.
siraj hashmi
Well, intent does mean a lot.
Especially in our criminal justice system.
Because, I mean, how do you decipher between self-defense and murder?
tim pool
Okay, so if a guy robs a bank, and there's two guys, they both rob a bank.
One guy did it because he wants to buy, you know, an infinity pool.
You can't really afford that with what you get out of a bank, but he wants to rob a bank because he wants, you know, brand new shoes.
The other guy does it because he's starving to death.
Okay, fine.
The guy who was starving, he gets a free pass because that was starving robbery versus greed robbery.
You see the point?
siraj hashmi
I understand what you're saying.
tim pool
All we know is someone went in and said, I'm robbing this bank.
When we get into the hate crime arena, we're trying to read people's minds to determine what was the cause of the crime in the first place, instead of just universally saying, dude, if you punch someone, you go to jail.
ian crossland
I think they've actually decriminalized thievery of food in another country.
Do you remember hearing about that?
tim pool
Oh yeah, San Francisco.
Might as well call California another country at this point.
ian crossland
It might have been another country also, but that's in San Francisco?
If someone's poor and starving.
siraj hashmi
Shoplifting.
ian crossland
Oh no, there's one where they're poor and starving and they steal food.
tim pool
I think in Virginia and like Michigan, the cops can't pull you over for like expired plates or blowing a stop sign or failing to turn signal or something like that.
lydia smith
Smelling like weed.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like you don't signal and you blow a stop sign and the cop can't pull you over.
All right, there you go.
So anyway, look, I understand the idea of hate crimes.
I'm just like, if you hit someone with a pipe, that's aggravated assault.
ian crossland
You think they're like trying to measure intent leads to thought crime and like the thought police?
tim pool
Partly.
You're not going to read someone's mind.
siraj hashmi
There's no way to fully know what somebody's intent is or what's in their heart.
tim pool
Here's the problem.
I don't care, you know, why this guy in Atlanta did what he did.
I care that he did it.
I care that innocent people lost their lives.
And they're now trying to mind-read.
You got one outlet being like, it's clearly racist.
And the other outlet saying, no, no, no, he was addicted to sex.
No, no, no, he was racist, even though he doesn't say it.
We know, and it's like...
Can you give me the name of the people he killed?
Can we get a ceremony for the victims?
It was days before we realized who any of these people were because the media was too busy arguing about whether or not the guy was racist or not.
siraj hashmi
Well, there is the aspect of, like, prevention in the future.
So if you want to avoid something like this happening again, you need to understand their motivations in order to make sure whatever the warning signs were for this particular shooter and suspected murderer is that this doesn't happen to another person.
ian crossland
I feel like you guys are both making extremely good points right now.
It's kind of weird.
It's kind of blowing my mind.
tim pool
I don't know how you.
siraj hashmi
Well, that's a first for me.
tim pool
How do you, how do you, how do you stop somebody from committing, you know, from, from hating?
How do you stop someone from hating?
It's a natural human experience.
People hate things.
ian crossland
Well, like if he killed because he was, because he was starving or if he killed because he hated the person's race, then you know, like, what problem do I need to address?
tim pool
Great.
Good point.
How do we stop the hate?
ian crossland
Either, either.
Well, as a family, I mean, this is a deep conversation.
tim pool
How do you, how do you stop someone from hating someone else?
Re-education camps, maybe.
Oh, wait!
Ban speech.
If they can't hear the hateful ideas, they can't become hateful, right?
unidentified
I see you've been to Canada.
tim pool
If they express the hate, arrest them.
That way they can't act out on it.
siraj hashmi
This is something that I actually learned very early on growing up.
And the one thing that helped break down stereotypes was traveling.
Because I lived abroad.
I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for six years.
And through there, I was able to travel to different parts of Asia, Africa, Europe.
And that was definitely an eye-opening experience.
And while not everyone is in a position where they could do that, I mean, that would be, for me, that is how, just literally interacting with different parts of your community, honestly.
Because you don't know how other people operate.
You will find that more people are just like you if they are part of another community.
And you find that you have more in common with them.
Once you build that little consensus, you can see them as human beings.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, let's read some more Super Chats!
Zabruci Willis says, man, it's weird seeing your old videos and comparing them to where you guys are now.
American dream, baby.
It's just, uh, it's just progression and goals.
You see, this is the advantage of skateboarding.
Growing up where you're constantly learning a new trick.
Every day, I would go out, I would be like, what's the new thing I'm gonna do today?
And before you realize it, actually, I'll rewind.
The journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step.
So you know how I started all this stuff on YouTube?
I had a GoPro 4, and I would put it on top of my monitor and press record, and then I would talk for 10 minutes.
Then I would stop it, and I would upload it.
And that was it.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
tim pool
And then eventually, I was like, I can make this a little bit longer and add some other stuff to it.
I can add articles and quotes.
And I started doing that.
And then I started a new channel where I started doing more videos.
Then I got a better camera.
I got a Sony 1000 frame.
It was a super, super nice.
All of a sudden the audio was a little bit better.
And then eventually I was like, I should get an actual microphone.
I should get an actual camera.
And then from that, I learned how to build everything.
I learned what, you know, how to set up a podcast studio.
And then within like a year and a half, I was having a podcast recording setup.
And then once we started, uh, I think it wasn't until we started IRL last year that actually switched to these microphones.
I used to use high quality cinema grade shotgun mics.
So they'll be mounted on top of the camera in front of me.
siraj hashmi
No, those are the worst.
tim pool
No, these are beautiful.
siraj hashmi
Oh, I thought you said they're like literally hanging out in front of the camera and like they're projecting.
Is that what it is?
tim pool
Shotgun microphone?
Yeah, it creates a cone.
Yeah, that's what I would use.
But these were like movie grade, the kind that they would use for capturing audio like in an outdoor scene in a movie, like really expensive.
And these are substantially cheaper.
And in a lot of ways better.
These mics we use now, they don't pick up audio from everyone else.
It's really just you.
And that's why I needed to switch, because when it was just me recording, I had this really expensive cinema-grade microphone, and it was great.
These are a lot cheaper.
ian crossland
These are the SM7B, by the way.
tim pool
Everybody uses them.
ian crossland
Incredible.
tim pool
All right, let's read a little bit more.
Adrian Sutton says, Come on, Tim.
You said, I am excited for a Biden presidency.
I will be laughing and smiling the entire time.
What happened, man?
Um, I don't want to laugh at Biden for falling downstairs.
And it is, uh, perhaps I was a little too optimistic on the course we are going to be moving forward with.
I will say when Biden won, I was laughing.
That was hilarious.
And, uh, that's what I was like, if Biden wins, I'll laugh.
As for the Biden presidency, There actually is a lot you can laugh about.
But it is getting really dark with the escalation between China.
And so perhaps... It is just a cold splash of water in the face.
I thought, oh, you know, it's gonna be fine, whatever, and now we're starting to see like it's actually a little darker than we realized.
Or at least that I realized.
By the way... I had too much faith in the man, I guess.
siraj hashmi
How ironic.
Is it that the Biden administration is through the Daily Beast report?
I'm sure you I'm sure some of you have seen it when they were basically sandbagging and sidelining their members of their administration for smoking weed.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I want to do that.
siraj hashmi
President Kamala.
She's in charge.
tim pool
Apparently they said, how many of you smoked pot?
Don't worry, we won't punish you if you tell us.
And then we're like, I did.
You're fired.
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
The fact that Kamala is like, yeah, I smoked weed.
I listen to Snoop Dogg and Tupac.
And boom, you're fired.
Get out of here.
tim pool
So we got a great one here from Evil Zombie Hamster.
He says, for that rant on Monday, waited until payday for the super chat, everyone should listen to that rant.
If you guys are familiar with whatever that rant is, then make a clip of it and feel free to upload it to social media or whatever.
Basically, I was talking to somebody.
He was making a point about how me and Carl Benjamin changed.
And then I went on, like, a three-minute rant about how people, like, were cowardly and gave up on the political fight and have, you know, given in to censorship because they're scared and blah, blah, blah.
All right.
Husijo Gang says, first time super chatted, also became a member last month.
You guys are the truth.
Keep up the good work.
We will try.
ian crossland
Dude, what is up, man?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, we're gonna keep doing it.
siraj hashmi
Rock on.
tim pool
SERP YouTube says, everyone here should check out the latest on Skycoin interview with Adam Stokes and the dev.
The coin and Skywire project is wildly ambitious and aims to build a kind of decentralized parallel internet of sorts.
Tons of crazy political info there too.
Weird.
Sounds cool.
Jobby says that video of Biden stumbling is suspicious.
There are six servicemen standing there and no one moves.
No one is talking about it.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
When Biden tripped, I guess some people expect the servicemen to run up and try and help him, but it was literally only like two or three seconds.
ian crossland
Yeah.
He looked like he recovered.
siraj hashmi
You know, when I'm like running upstairs, sometimes I like, you know, hop up and down, you know, I trip all the time.
Every single time I do that.
And it looked like Biden was doing that too.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
And for, in some ways, you know, Yeah, he was trying to pull a Siraj.
tim pool
And CNN ran the segment during the Trump presidency saying, is Trump scared of stairs?
They said, does he have bathmophobia, where he's unreasonably scared of stairs?
And I'm like, maybe he just knows that if he slips, they'll make fun of him.
So he's very cautious to be on his toes.
And then there's this one clip where they did mock him because he walks up a runway and then he wobbles to the right.
And they're like, haha, Trump almost fell.
But then we actually get the photo.
Trump was nowhere near falling.
And it looks like he was just screwing around.
Like he went, whoo.
siraj hashmi
Well, what was the graduation ceremony last year?
That was the Army Army Military Academy.
He was walking down the ramp and everyone was like, what's wrong with President Trump?
Yeah.
The man's got a physical disease.
He shouldn't he's not he's not fit for office.
ian crossland
He was wearing dress shoes and like going slow so he didn't slip.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
I mean, you have, you have, I mean, over the course of the Trump presidency, you have stories from, uh, Brian Stelter, others who, you know, there was a letter from like 700 different psychologists trying to diagnose, uh, President Trump with a mental illness from afar.
And I mean, like the, the stuff never stops.
I am interested to see how this fallout compares because, I'm already seeing stories from, say, like, the New York Times saying, oh, you know, President Biden's 100% fine.
tim pool
Have you seen the movie Hoaxed from Mike Cernovich?
siraj hashmi
I have not.
tim pool
There's this really great point in it where they show a clip from, I think it's a 60 Minutes interview with Scott Pelley.
I did see the Scott Pelly interview on 60 Minutes.
He criticizes Cernovich.
He's like, you claim that Hillary Clinton is sick.
And he goes, he's like, no, I cited a medical doctor.
He goes, well, how can that doctor, you know, know that he's sick?
And he's like, well, how do you know she's not sick?
And he goes, because the Clinton campaign told us.
And he goes, why do you trust the Clinton campaign?
And the dude literally fumbles and drops his glasses.
Because Cernovich made a really good point.
When they were criticizing Trump saying Trump's mentally ill or whatever because the doctor said so, it was a fact.
When conservatives did the exact same thing to Hillary, they were like, oh, you're lying and making it up.
We get it.
It's a double standard.
siraj hashmi
Soberman wasn't off, man.
tim pool
We got the GC Geek Army saying, Tim, awesome to see my habibi in the compound.
What does habibi mean?
siraj hashmi
Habibi means like, it's Arabic for like, my friend, my dear, my love.
It's a term of endearment.
So you can use it for guy, girl.
ian crossland
Oh, thank you.
tim pool
Habibi.
siraj hashmi
Habibi.
tim pool
My friends, I had a friend who used to say woadie all the time.
It's like a southern term for a male friend.
siraj hashmi
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I guess it's woadie and shoddy.
siraj hashmi
Shoddy, okay.
lydia smith
Yeah, shoddy's a female friend.
tim pool
Yeah, female.
lydia smith
Oh.
tim pool
Vashtz1985 says, We are not in a democracy, never have been.
The Times article about the cabal should have made that very clear.
They just made sure the rules were on their side, so the results went their way, instead of the way people wanted.
I think the best way to describe what happened is its fortification of the election.
The rules are there.
You can see what the rules are.
It's like, it's the matrix, man.
Right?
The agents in the matrix can move all fast and crazy, but they follow rules.
So when Neo finally figures it out, he learns how to move all fast and crazy like they do.
That's it.
So the, when they fortify an election, they're basically like the agents.
They make the rules the way they are.
And a lot of people just don't know how to use them.
siraj hashmi
By the way, one of the very first list memes was when I was, I was Neo in that last scene of the first Matrix where he's, he stops the bullets.
tim pool
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
It's literally me with a pen and emoji writing up a blue check.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
All right.
Lee4466 says, saw your video on the Ford plant today.
I work there and I voted for Trump and I'm not the only one.
Despite popular belief, there's a lot of right-leaning union members, especially with Trump that I know.
TheCurlyAfro says China has to keep Tibet for their water supply, Xinjiang for oil, and South China Sea for blue water navy.
To solidify their rule, they have two of the three.
unidentified
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
By the way, you guys been up on March Madness?
ian crossland
Negative.
tim pool
No, but I did see that woman who was screaming about the weightlifting room.
You see that one?
siraj hashmi
I did see that.
That was a messed up thing that the NCAA did.
tim pool
They gave the women this tiny little rack with tiny little weights.
siraj hashmi
The NCAA's excuse, they said there wasn't enough space.
She takes a video.
There's an entire conference room.
Not conference room, I'm sorry.
They're in a convention center.
There's plenty of space.
tim pool
I think Matt Walsh called it out and he said, one is entertaining and one is not.
Or something like that.
Well, so listen.
There is an issue.
I know a bunch of women who can... Well, this is a while ago now.
I haven't, you know, hung out at the X Games in a decade or so.
But I've actually been to the X Games a couple times as like an all-access team manager friend of these athletes.
I knew a couple of the female pros.
People don't go to those events.
So what had happened was, early on, they were paying the women like 10% of what the men were getting paid.
They're they straight-up told the the female athletes It's because we don't sell tickets, you know, you're like
you're getting a lot of money, but people don't show up to watch you skate
So what do we do?
They ended up winning the right to equal pay because they were like that's your problem and that's true because women's
tennis does well They were they're like if you can't market this properly
then why is it on us?
We're the ones performing.
We're the ones coming here to put on the show for you, and then you can't sell tickets?
Sounds like you gotta fire your marketing guy.
That was actually the best argument I've ever heard for it.
So when people talk about the WNBA, and they're like, yeah, well, nobody wants to show up, because it's boring.
I'm like, nah.
siraj hashmi
It's marketing.
tim pool
It's marketing.
If you've got... I don't care.
siraj hashmi
The US Women's National Team.
Better than the men's team.
Many people say it's better than the more people watch the matches of the national soccer team.
Because they've won four World Cups.
And they're just so dominant.
And it's a matter of marketing.
tim pool
It is.
So I think about going to a music venue.
Look, I've seen sold-out shows from people who are not the greatest singers in the world.
Because it's good marketing.
They know how to entertain you and make you have a good time.
And so, I'm not going to blame the person who's doing their job.
I'm going to blame the person who's not doing their job.
Granted, I understand what people are saying.
siraj hashmi
I'm just going to blame Ohio State for completely messing up my bracket.
I chose you to win in both of my brackets, and this is how you treat me.
lydia smith
They were supposed to win.
siraj hashmi
Terrible.
I had Ohio, Michigan.
Ohio State, Michigan in the final.
unidentified
All right.
siraj hashmi
Completely blew it.
tim pool
Someone's calling me out.
Nadia Shalwarino Moore says, Tim, your POV on U.S.
future against China has been pretty negative.
It's very contagious and has gotten me down and nervous.
You have so much influence.
So say it with me.
I would rather die on my feet than buy Chinese.
Keep your chin up, guys.
siraj hashmi
Here's the problem.
You don't know what's coming from that.
tim pool
And not only that, you might buy something that says made in America and not realize that components of it are made in China.
siraj hashmi
Right.
tim pool
Assembled in America, you'll see a lot of now.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Assembled here.
lydia smith
Components from China.
tim pool
Well, I do think we have to do better to get more stuff made in America.
That's for sure.
ian crossland
I'd love to make a graphene company here.
I've talked about it before.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll, we'll keep that in, in our minds.
Um, graphene, solid state batteries.
ian crossland
Definitely.
tim pool
Sodium.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Hennessy Drew says, Tim, you only ever mentioned the Patriot that died in Portland.
You are forgetting the other guy in Denver.
Oh, that guy in Denver, he was killed by that security guard who was like a progressive activist, but he was there working as like faux security and he wasn't legally allowed to be.
That was the Denver guy, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Track Media Only says they don't want peaceful divorce.
If they ever changed, then it would be to consolidate and then later come for the other half.
Dems want it all, and communism is all about give your stuff to others.
I don't think the establishment Democrats are communists.
I think they're short-term gain individuals.
They're going to extract and exploit whatever they can, but there are communists on the far left who are willing to it, who are sitting in wait, letting the Democrats burn everything to the ground so that they can come and pick up the scraps and then get their communism.
ian crossland
You say short-term is a great way of looking at it.
It's like with this hate crimes against the Asian people.
It's like a knee-jerk reaction.
Something happens and then they make these sweeping I don't know who decided they're on the minority list or whatever the heck this list is, but it's like, something happens and then they immediately change.
It's like, you gotta think of the big picture.
It should have never been, I don't know.
tim pool
EW says, Ian, the government didn't create the oil industry, the entrepreneur did.
Stop looking at government to answers.
They have none.
Also, oil isn't going away for a while.
You need it for jets, trains, semis, and also petrochemicals will always exist.
That's definitely right.
ian crossland
Yeah, but the government broke up Standard Oil.
I mean, if we had let Rockefeller create an oil empire, that would have been way worse than where we're at right now.
tim pool
Well, c'est la vie.
Brandon McGuire says, if I were China, I would just wait until the left has taken our guns away.
The inexperienced military would be no match for ours.
Add in all of us proud American gun owners and millions of veterans.
See ya.
Later, mommy.
Spike Dude says, have any of you guys played the Metal Gear series?
I think Hideo Kojima was secretly a prophet.
Yeah, there was something about Metal Gear Solid people were talking about, weren't they?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Something in it that, like, was prophetic.
ian crossland
I played the first Metal Gear.
tim pool
For Nintendo?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
siraj hashmi
For Nintendo?
Oh, no, no.
unidentified
I played the original Metal Gear on the NES.
siraj hashmi
I played that on PS1 and PS2.
tim pool
Metal Gear Solid?
siraj hashmi
Metal Gear Solid, yeah.
tim pool
OMG Puppies says, the key to fusion is high-temperature superconducting magnets.
Check out an excellent video, MIT's Pathway to Fusion Energy by Zach Hartwig.
Great overview of the science and engineering of nuclear fusion.
Very cool.
Panda Bang says, that fiat currency is a good thing.
The gold standard was bad.
The situation at the border is good, and we should be grateful for immigrants.
January 6th was worse than 2020.
At Ian, free the graphene.
Free the graphene.
ian crossland
You're right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Tasera says, I lived next to Tindall AFB and saw the F-35 in flight.
Six of them hovered about 250 feet over the highway.
They made no sound.
Even underneath, people in Panama City will testify they have active camo.
We've all seen it.
unidentified
Wow.
What?
tim pool
What is that?
Like camo jets or something or what?
lydia smith
I'll look that up.
F-35?
tim pool
Secret weapons.
Paul Luckett says, sorry Tim, it's getting difficult to watch your content.
It's all doom and gloom.
The battle is over.
Give up and lose hope.
This message gets people down.
Depression is already too high.
We need to try to spread more hope.
Well, I do try to be somewhat optimistic in that these woke people are really destroying themselves now.
And the more fun, funny people seem to be doing better and better.
So maybe it's just, you know, the night is always darkest before the dawn and things are starting to turn around.
Maybe we'll pull out of this by 2024 and things will improve.
Dylan Percher says Ian is correct.
China may be ahead for now, but so was Germany and Japan in the beginning.
Decoupling is correct as well.
Look into Peter Zehan's work, he lays it out.
As for Apple phones, manufacture can be moved back and 3D printing will be cheap.
There you go.
Turk Longwell says, that guy and his lists.
F'em.
Sir, who made you the official list maker?
Love the show all always on point.
Smash the like button and spin it.
Smash that like button!
siraj hashmi
Your hatred gives me life.
tim pool
Michael Nguyen says, all I'm hearing from Greenwald is it's time to end New York Times v. Sullivan in order to smack the news media in the mouth hard enough to stagger them because they lie.
Yeah, I don't know.
I might agree with that.
It's tough.
Times v. Sullivan's at the standard where news media is allowed to lie about someone if they didn't know it was a lie.
ian crossland
And you can't measure if they knew or not.
tim pool
It's really difficult.
And so these lawsuits often get smacked down.
So here's the way it works.
If there's a guy named John Smith, and he's a carpenter.
And the New York Times says that John Smith punched a puppy in the face.
He can sue them for defamation, and it will, like, immediately go through because he's not a public figure.
They need to prove, like, it doesn't matter if they knew it or not, they lied about him.
If they write a story saying Siraj punched a puppy, they can say, well, we genuinely thought it was true, so, and you can't sue him.
ian crossland
Even if you're like, show me the proof.
tim pool
Doesn't matter.
ian crossland
Really?
That's a problem.
tim pool
They're called anti-slap laws.
Strategic lawsuit against public participation.
So long as you have a reasonable belief that something is true, you can essentially defame people.
So they use very clever ways to do it.
They'll say like, while Siraj did not punch the puppy, he's known to push puppy punching.
And then you're like, what does that mean to push puppy punching?
What does that mean, push?
And then they'll be like, oh, when he was seven, he, you know, he pushed a photograph of a dog getting punched.
siraj hashmi
Uh, yeah.
tim pool
Or they'll just say a source told us.
siraj hashmi
It's actually really funny.
You bring that up because of my, my dog Ernie and, uh, the Habibis.
tim pool
You punched him?
siraj hashmi
No, I never punched him.
I love him.
It's just, it's, it's just funny because I had, he He has his own Twitter account.
And yes, I, I, I created it with the intention of him running for president in 2020.
And his, his general platform was to deport me and all of the problems in the, in the United States would be resolved.
And so basically everyone's been rooting for him to deport me.
And, uh, basically anytime that like, I don't give him a treat, it's like violence against me.
tim pool
It sounds like you pushed your dog platform.
Well, so here's what the media can do.
If you have an account for your dog, you say you want to run for president.
siraj hashmi
He did run for president, he won.
tim pool
Okay, so we know you're joking, but the media can write something like, you know, the story was amplified by Siraj Hajme, comma, who posts unhinged rants about dogs being president, clearly a sign of mental distress, comma.
They can do that.
siraj hashmi
I mean, there's probably something wrong with me.
tim pool
They could even literally say that... So the issue is, there's often settlements.
If you watch like Project Veritas, you'll see he always has the retracto.
Usually that's because these people bend the knee immediately, because they know if you get past a motion to dismiss, you go to discovery and depositions, and that's when these organizations panic.
So this is news, too.
Veritas just got passed a motion to dismiss with the New York Times, I think it was.
Which means these writers now have to sit in a room, under oath, I believe, under penalty of perjury, and tell the truth.
So it's really amazing what happens because they immediately, it's remarkable, Watch these videos that Veritas has put out, and you will laugh.
Like, they'll write something like, you know, James O'Keefe once did a backflip off a building or whatever, or punched a dog, and they'll be sitting there in the room under deposition and go, No, he never punched the dog.
Why do you write that he did?
Um, I was wrong.
And you're just like, wow, they know they're lying.
And they get caught for it, and they're forced to settle.
siraj hashmi
Wow.
tim pool
They're forced to apologize or whatever, because they know they're gonna lose.
Jonathan Galterini says, Have you noticed how the media is slowly turning on Biden?
It feels like they are dipping their toes in the water on bashing Biden.
Why?
I think they care more about money than anything else.
Capitalism may cure the virus they created.
What if this happens?
What if, Jonathan's correct, Joe Biden is going to start getting slammed in the media.
It's already starting.
We had MSNBC criticizing him because he ordered Border Patrol not to allow press access to these facilities, migrant facilities.
What happens if the media realizes there's money to be made if they criticize Biden?
And then all of a sudden, we get four years of Biden bad.
Oh no.
And you get a crumbling economy, crumbling infrastructure, a failing president, a raucous China, and a media capitalizing off Joe Biden claiming he sucks.
And then Trump comes back.
Yeah.
If that were to happen, all of it at the same time with DeSantis as VP, then Trump would probably run.
siraj hashmi
I think Trump is running regardless.
And if Trump doesn't run, it is DeSantis.
And I think whoever runs between those two is going to win.
100%.
tim pool
Definitely.
So you think no matter what 2024 is Republican?
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a lot of things that can happen from now until then.
siraj hashmi
I know.
tim pool
But this is what really bothers me.
siraj hashmi
But I also thought Biden was going to win.
As soon as Trump won, knowing Biden didn't run in 2016, I thought whatever happened in 2016, I knew that Trump was going to win like a week before the actual election.
But afterwards, if Biden had been in that, I thought that there might have been a chance that he actually would have won.
So in 2017, if Biden runs in 2020, he's going to win.
tim pool
The important thing to understand about shows like this and what I hate about the internet is there's context and then there's like temporal context or contemporary context.
And the way I described it to you earlier is if I said something like, oh, Ian came to me and said, I am thirsty, but I don't like Gatorade.
People could then take that statement where I said, I am thirsty but I don't like Gatorade, and take it out of context to attribute that quote to me.
ian crossland
That's so crazy.
tim pool
That's out of context.
But there's something else, there's contemporary context, where I could be reading a news article from the New York Times that said, Gatorade put, you know, we won't use an actual brand.
The New York Times might write an article saying, popular soft drink accidentally drops rat in beverage.
And then I go, wow!
I'm never drinking beverage again.
That's disgusting.
I think this is disgusting.
This drink is gross.
And then people will take that quote and say, Tim hates this brand, omitting the contemporary context, the time when a story came out.
So there's a good example of this.
I said something about, I don't trust the New York Times, and I was referring to a singular story.
I was talking about a couple different stories and I was like, oh yeah, well the New York Post said this, the New York Times said this.
I don't trust the New York Times.
I was referring to one story that gets taken by a bunch of leftists to claim that Tim Poole thinks the New York Times is fake news.
siraj hashmi
Can I jump in on that?
Because this is really interesting that's happened online.
You know, Vox Journalist Sam Rupar?
tim pool
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
He posts a bunch of videos and stuff.
Yeah.
He is now being accused of taking Captain Jay Baker, I believe that's his name, from Atlanta.
Um, and taking out the, what was it, the conceptual context by basically... Contemporary?
Contemporary.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, contemporary context to make it look like, uh, the captain was saying that the suspect, uh, the Atlanta shooting suspect was having a really bad day.
What he was doing was that he was actually saying that this is what the suspect's explanation was of his own actions saying that he... Well, that's just general context.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
All right.
So he said he had a really bad day and he...
tim pool
He was quoting the guy.
siraj hashmi
He was quoting what the suspect's explanation was.
tim pool
These people are evil, man.
siraj hashmi
And Rupar framed it as if that was what the captain said.
Fooled me!
tim pool
He got fired.
The captain got forced out of his job.
siraj hashmi
I thought the captain said that.
tim pool
Me too.
siraj hashmi
So, I mean, man, you gotta be really careful when you watch these videos because it is so quick, so quickly this stuff gets spread.
tim pool
We got an important one here.
Mr. Brownstone says, Dude, we got like a full hour with James O'Keefe at TimCast.com.
We need to create a better library system so we have a new website coming soon.
But if you go to the members-only content, you can just keep loading more.
And we got an hour with James.
We got...
An hour.
We got full episodes with Kim and a bunch of people talking stuff you're not going to hear anywhere else.
ian crossland
That's good stuff.
I just want to say Mr. Brownstone, best song off Appetite for Destruction.
Shout out.
Great name.
That's my opinion.
tim pool
All right, we'll do a couple more here.
If you haven't already, smash the like button before you take off, but we'll read some more.
J.A.
says, Habibi bro here, who is also a member of Timcast.com and a Twitch sub of Siraj.
Ohio State and Michigan State were both overrated.
ian crossland
Go blue.
tim pool
There you go.
siraj hashmi
What's up, Habibi?
tim pool
Mike Greff says, things we can all agree on.
Never trust the media, politicians, or the Chinese government.
Can we all rally behind this?
Not apparently we can't.
ian crossland
I mean, maybe just not face value.
Never.
tim pool
Who looks at Nancy Pelosi and goes, I trust that face.
ian crossland
A bunch of people.
unidentified
Why?
siraj hashmi
A lot of people trust Nancy Pelosi, man.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
I don't, there's like, You know, when people ask me, like, can you name a good politician, I'm like, Rand Paul.
Yeah, I like that guy.
He gets a really high score for me, and there's a couple others I might shout out.
lydia smith
Josh Hawley.
tim pool
Well, Josh Hawley's on the list, but he's closer to the bottom.
No offense, Josh Hawley.
lydia smith
Ted Cruz.
tim pool
I think Thomas Massey, Rand Paul, and then...
You know, Josh Hawley's alright.
Matt Gaetz and Ted Cruz are alright.
I give praise to Ro Khanna for standing up to Pelosi in a few instances, but I disagree with him on a lot of political stuff.
Tulsi Gabbard was fantastic.
ian crossland
Yeah, she left politics.
Like, that says everything.
tim pool
Are there any politicians you want to give a shoutout to that are genuine and trustworthy?
siraj hashmi
Oh man, that's a really good question.
tim pool
Right?
siraj hashmi
Look, I have a reserved, um, distaste for politicians.
I realize that they're all human and they all have, you know, they're all set to do a job and they all have different pressures that influence them.
So I am never going to praise a politician just outright for, you know, being good or being bad.
I'm sorry, or criticize them when they're bad.
Um, I will just call them out when I see them mess up.
tim pool
What do you think about Rand Paul?
siraj hashmi
He's a wild card.
tim pool
You think so?
siraj hashmi
Yeah, because he was... During the Trump era, he wasn't really himself.
ian crossland
You think?
tim pool
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
He got on the Trump-y lean.
tim pool
Yeah.
siraj hashmi
It was very un-Rand Paul-like.
tim pool
And I'll tell you this.
When I, when I say I praise Rand Paul, it's because on a scale of one to a hundred, he's, he's at 51.
He's like over the halfway mark by like the smallest person.
siraj hashmi
Which is like the best rating you'd ever give a politician.
tim pool
Ever.
Yeah.
Like he's a little bit better than like, okay.
Whereas like all the other politicians are like, yeah, kind of bad.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
tim pool
You're all kind of bad and you're, and some are worse.
lydia smith
Some are horrible.
tim pool
Yeah.
So I, I like Josh Hawley, but I, he's, he's, Yeah, you know, I begrudgingly say I like Josh Hawley because there's some things he's done that I like.
siraj hashmi
Yeah, that's the problem.
There's personality and then there's policy.
How do you separate that?
I was just going to say, some policies are good, but the personality is horrible.
Some personalities are good, but the policies are horrible.
It's very hard to sit that out.
ian crossland
Liking their work is different than liking their personality.
tim pool
We got a very important Super Chat from...
Mujahid Kabi, this is a question for Siraj.
siraj hashmi
Habibi is my co-host.
That's my co-host.
tim pool
He's super chatted $69.
Habibi, why is your love for Jen Rubin undying?
Essentially, you lib.
siraj hashmi
100%.
lydia smith
59%.
siraj hashmi
Love you, Jay.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got Drunk Surfer says, shout out to Louie Gohmert.
Louie's all right, too.
Yeah, he's cool.
It's easy to point out certain Republicans that I think are good, but I disagree with them on a lot of policy.
It's hard to find Democrats that I think are good, and I disagree with most of them on policy.
All right.
Galandro Glade says, you should get Fleckas on your show.
I mean, we genuinely want to.
lydia smith
We will at some point, yeah.
He's busy.
tim pool
Oh, this is interesting.
Paul Crane says, from a bottom of my heart, Tim, you alone completely destroyed my conservatism I was born into.
I feel like a free man.
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Oh, I have no idea.
lydia smith
Is that good?
tim pool
I don't know.
Yeah, is that good or bad?
All right, everybody, let's see.
Last super chat.
Ronnie Floyd says, great podcast, like always.
Y'all each need your own shirts, like an animated Tim smashing the like button and Lids pushing the buttons in the corner.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we do have the Diamond Hands gorilla shirt pinned in the chat right now.
You can get yours.
It is an homage to the Wall Street Bets crew because we have a gorilla shirt and then they have the gorilla meme.
So we like, I decided to make a shirt and I thought people would think it was funny.
And a lot of people really like it.
We've sold a ton of them already.
So thank you all to everybody.
If you have not already, you must Smash the like button.
I'm surprised.
You know, we end up getting, you know, like 30 to 40 thousand people watching it on every episode, but we only get around like 10,000 likes and it's just, you know, it's just everybody knew.
Just press that like button.
siraj hashmi
Yeah.
If you don't like it, it's literally Islamophobia.
lydia smith
Oh, there you go.
tim pool
Well, now you have to like it.
Otherwise, you're the wrong ideology.
Also, go to TimCast.com.
Look, I don't know if we're ever gonna get this weekend stuff up because things on the weekends tend to be chaotic.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
I started taking weekends off so I could do other kinds of work and also have some just, like, wake up when I need to wake up.
And then we've been doing, like, interviews and stuff, so we wanted to do range footage.
Then Luke ended up leaving, so we didn't go to the range.
Oh, we did.
We just didn't have anybody to film it.
We didn't really have a plan.
And then we wanted to do the Chicken City thing last time, but then we got the chickens, and they were like, it's too cold, and we realized a security issue with Chicken City, so we're like, okay, we need to re-up security, and we basically had to, like, bury some stuff to prevent, you know, the jerks from trying to dig in to kill the chickens.
So, we'll try our best, but thank you all so much for hanging out, for those who are members, for being members.
And like I said, you can go to TimCast.com, click shop, get your Diamond Hands Gorilla shirt.
You can follow me on all social media at TimCast.
My other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast, YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
This show is live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m., so we will be back Monday.
Siraj, you want to shout anything out now that you're a free and independent man?
siraj hashmi
I'm a free man.
You can follow me on Twitter at Siraj Ahashmi.
I don't know.
I don't expect you to know how to spell that.
It's probably in the video description.
You can also follow my new venture at Habibi Bros.
It's at Habibi underscore Bros.
And then if you like our stuff, subscribe to us on Patreon at patreon.com forward slash Habibi Bros.
That's where all our content is going to be right now until I announce something in the future.
ian crossland
Actually, you can always follow me at iancrossland.net.
I really appreciate you guys for coming.
I love the chats and the super chats.
It was really, really epic interaction.
siraj hashmi
Thanks, Jay, for giving that nice donation.
ian crossland
I love you, Jay.
siraj hashmi
I'd rather not come from the company account.
unidentified
$69.
tim pool
Well, it's good promotion, I suppose.
lydia smith
Yeah, true.
unidentified
100%.
lydia smith
I did have one.
siraj hashmi
Oh, sorry.
lydia smith
No, you're good, you're good.
I just had one final thought, because we were talking about the censorship and this judge's dissent, and I just wanted to say that this has occurred to me that social media is censoring much better than the government ever could have dreamed of.
Nicholas Sawerk, who used to work for the Libertarian Party, commented earlier today on Twitter something about how Cancel culture is basically like just cultural accountability.
Obviously not true.
And this judge's dissent points that out perfectly because it doesn't matter that it's not the government.
It's still a huge issue.
Anyway, I'm sarahpatchelids on Twitter and Mines.
You can follow me there.
tim pool
We are going to have a new website up very soon.
Hopefully next week, but I'm not entirely sure.
Our optimistic view is by mid next week, maybe late next week.
It may get delayed, but it looks way better.
There's going to be an easier way to sign up.
There's going to be alternate payment processing.
We're revamping everything.
Basically, I'll put it simply for you.
Everybody came in and smashed the like button.
As soon as they did, we just magically had the funds.
No, I'm kidding.
When we set up TimCast.com and we got a bunch of members, that membership gave us the resources to hire a real dev team to, you know, like a large group, a big company to redesign and everything.
So we used that, you know, base website as the launching point.
Everything's gonna get better.
We're gonna have a blog section where people can write articles for us, and we're gonna do news stories and things like that, and then we're gonna be launching a brand website that has the video game channel, the video games themselves.
We have a video game in the works.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
We have a card game, and we're just gonna be doing a lot of fun culture stuff, so that is all with your support.
You guys rock.
Thank you so much for hanging out, and we'll see you all at TimCast.com, or we'll see you Monday at 8 p.m.
Live on this channel.
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