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Timcast IRL - Biden GHOSTING State Of The Union?? Its Almost Unprecedented w/Jack Murphy
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tim pool
you it has been 43 days and president Joe Biden has not given a
press conference And I guess there's a video going around where it was posted earlier today.
Joe Biden is doing some kind of tele press conference and he says, OK, I'm going to I'm going to take your questions now if that's what I'm supposed to do.
And then all of a sudden the camera turns off.
And then all of a sudden the screen goes to an image that says, thanks for joining.
And that was it.
No questions allowed.
And as we were talking about this, wondering, is this the, is this really the biggest news?
I mean, just Joe Biden calling a lid like he normally does.
We noticed something.
We got Jack Murphy hanging out.
jack murphy
What's up, everybody?
Good to be here.
It's every other Wednesday night.
tim pool
But he was like, what is the state of the union address?
And I was like, well, it's his, it's his, it's his inaugural year.
It's his first year.
I mean, maybe they don't give one.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So we went back all the way to 1977.
That's how long that's the, uh, the amount of time where this is unprecedented.
So I don't want to say unprecedented, I say almost unprecedented, because in 1977, Jimmy Carter waited until like April 18th to give a speech to the joint session of Congress.
We are now on March 3rd, and not only has Joe Biden not given a press conference, not only are they turning off his camera so he can't answer questions, He's not given a State of the Union address, and every president up until 1977, by this time, had already done it.
Jimmy Carter was the outlier.
Again, not unprecedented, but just really creepy combined with everything.
Now, look, Jimmy Carter giving the State of the Union, I think in April, It made sense simply because it was Gerald Ford before him, only like three days before he was inaugurated, where he gave an address like right up until the last minute.
So it seemed like Carter was like, eh, I should probably wait a little bit maybe because it's just too many addresses going to the nation.
This Joe Biden stuff is pretty creepy.
And now we got, there's this claim that on March 4th, militia groups are going to storm DC or something.
I tell you this, Joe Biden not giving a State of the Union is certainly adding fuel to the fire of these conspiracies.
So we're going to talk about that.
We've got some other cultural stories.
We've got stuff about...
A Netflix producer claiming the CPAC stage was a Nazi symbol, but now we know it was actually made by a Democrat, so that's a weird backfiring.
And then we have a crazy story.
There's an emergency announcement.
Birth rates are declining to such an extent, it is being called an emergency and a crisis.
So we'll talk about these things.
As I mentioned, Jack Murphy's hanging out.
jack murphy
What's up, everybody?
Good to be here.
Nice to see everybody sitting in a different chair tonight.
Every other Wednesday.
Glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
You look very clean, Jack.
jack murphy
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
I get a trim up every other Wednesday.
Nice and smooth.
ian crossland
I never knew.
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crosland in the house.
Good to see y'all.
IanCrosland.net.
lydia smith
Yeah, and then I am Sour Patchlets pushing buttons in the corner as I do.
tim pool
Luke Rutkowski is currently on vacation.
He swears he's coming back, but I'm not sure I believe him.
Cause that guy's like, he'll just be like, Hey, I'm in, I'm in Cuba.
And it's like, what are you doing down there?
It's like, I'm actually going to Argentina.
It's like, okay.
jack murphy
In the RV, no less.
tim pool
In the RV, just like on the water.
jack murphy
It's impressive.
tim pool
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But let's do this.
The first thing I want to show you is a story from Fox News.
Biden still hasn't held a press conference after 43 days in office.
The subhead for the Fox News article says, quote, I think his people keep him away from the media because they were afraid he might trail off or have difficulty answering basic questions.
Which brings me to this video clip From the first.
Check this out.
I'm going to play this for you.
unidentified
And I'm happy to take questions if that's what I'm supposed to do, Nance, whatever you
want me to do.
tim pool
And just for those listening, the feed just cuts out and then it says thank you for joining.
lydia smith
So it wasn't an accident.
tim pool
There's no way.
It says President Biden participates in a virtual event with the House Democratic Caucus.
It just turns off.
That's it.
So again, not only has Biden not called a press conference, Like, apparently his handlers aren't allowing him to do it.
And I don't mean handle like some grand conspiracy where he's the Manchurian candidate or something.
I mean literally like the people working with him are like, come on Biden, it's time to go to bed.
They put him in the wheelchair with the blanket on his lap and he goes, and they cart him away.
And this is what we saw today.
So it was this clip, Jack's like, you see this clip?
Check this out.
And then I think you asked about the State of the Union, right?
jack murphy
Yeah.
And then we just started digging, doing some real investigative journalism over here, trying to figure out what's really going on.
You know, if I got elected president and I had been vice president and I had been the one sitting in the chair up behind the president all those times listening, Applauding like a seal every time the president said standing up when you're supposed to.
If I had my chance to finally be the guy giving the speech with the two people behind me cheering me on and clapping me on and the whole nation watching and joint session of Congress, State of the Union address.
unidentified
I'm the president of the United States.
jack murphy
I'd be trying to schedule that thing day after freaking inauguration.
unidentified
Let me pull the dates.
tim pool
So we go back to 2017.
The first question we asked was, okay, well, it's his first year in office.
Do they give a State of the Union address, like, within a month of being inaugurated?
Donald Trump, February 28th, 2017.
Okay, that was his first public address.
It was Donald Trump's speech to the Joint Session of Congress.
All right, well, Trump did it.
So then, let's go back to Obama.
2009, Obama's speech to Joint Session of Congress, February 24th.
Alright, well what about George W. Bush?
So we tried searching Wikipedia, sure enough, there's nothing listed.
Why?
Because Bush didn't call it a State of the Union, but on February 27th, he held an address to the Joint Session of Congress.
All right, well let's go back even further.
We have Bill Clinton, President's Address to the Joint Session, 1993 State of the Union, February 17th, William J. Clinton Presidential Library.
All right, then we've got February 9th, 1989, Bush Senior.
We go back to the Reagan Library, February 18th, 1981.
And then we stop here.
President Carter, 1977, April 20th.
But I believe the date is actually listed as April 18th in media.
But we have here from the History, Art, and Archives, this is House.gov saying April 20th, 1977.
That's how far back you have to go in order to find a time where a president has gone this long without giving a State of the Union or a speech to the Joint Session of Congress.
So again, not unprecedented, just it's been a really long time.
jack murphy
In my lifetime and I'm old.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
It's been in my lifetime and I'm old and it didn't happen.
It hasn't happened.
Why not?
Wouldn't you be excited to do it?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a different generation.
It's a different time.
He should be making YouTube videos, if not daily, weekly.
jack murphy
Well, yes, that's of course.
A social media strategy is something that they all should really be employing, and they're not.
And Trump should have been doing that, and he didn't.
However, come on.
tim pool
I mean, he kind of did, but I wouldn't call it a strategy, you know what I mean?
jack murphy
Well, I wish, and guys in our circle have been calling for this.
He should have been doing Periscopes.
He should have been doing live streams.
He should have been letting people in on the inside and going direct.
But anyway, another topic for conversation.
Jimmy Carter, uh, Joe Biden, Joe Biden here, Joe Biden.
He, I don't think has the stamina to stand up there.
Does he?
tim pool
No, that's the, I think that's it.
That's why they won't let him answer questions.
You know why?
When he said in that video, he's like, I'll take some questions.
They're going to go, um, president Biden.
And then they're going to call out something like Cuomo people dead in nursing homes.
ian crossland
And he's going to go, Oh, It's been a while since I've heard his voice, and when you played that, he sounded just haggard.
jack murphy
Who's Nancy?
He asked.
He's like, I'll take some questions if that's what you want me to do.
Nancy?
tim pool
It was the House Democratic candidate.
jack murphy
Oh, Nancy Pelosi.
Yeah, maybe she was the one.
She was like, cut him off!
ian crossland
Cut him off!
tim pool
Isn't she older than he is?
jack murphy
She is, but she does seem to be a little bit more lucid than he is.
tim pool
Sprite.
lydia smith
Yeah, she's pretty.
tim pool
It's all the Sprite.
lydia smith
It's all the Botox.
tim pool
I don't know if that's keeping her going.
ian crossland
I think Biden got an eye lift.
Is that what that's called?
lydia smith
A facelift?
tim pool
Probably.
He got a lot of work done and he's a really old guy.
jack murphy
Well, imagine what, you know, you saw what happened to Obama.
You saw what happened to Bush and Reagan, how the presidency ages people.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
jack murphy
It did not age Trump.
lydia smith
I noticed that.
jack murphy
It did not age Trump at all, as a matter of fact.
tim pool
If anything, it de-aged him.
jack murphy
But Biden, though, he may just disintegrate.
tim pool
Did you see the, what was it, the Onion article, I think?
Where it was like, presidency ages Biden in first term, and it was a picture of like a corpse just totally rotted.
unidentified
Like the Crypt Keeper from that old HBO show.
tim pool
I don't know, maybe a trigger warning.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Because the image is hilarious.
unidentified
Oh boy.
Do we?
tim pool
Oh my gosh.
Stress of presidency already ages Biden 10 years.
lydia smith
He's like literally mummified.
tim pool
And it's just a mummified Biden.
jack murphy
But like a joint session of Congress where the president addresses them and the nation on every network.
Everybody stops everything to pay attention.
That is a major moment for America, right?
And what a time right now we're in.
Don't you think with January 6th and we need to heal and all this stuff.
lydia smith
Unify.
jack murphy
Unify and get past the election.
Don't you think that this more than ever.
should be a time for the president to address everyone.
tim pool
Everyone. But let's be honest. Do you really think Joe Biden getting up before a joint
session of Congress and spouting out true and anonyshabit of pressure is going to unite people?
I mean, look, it's funny. I use I use that word because I don't know what else word you use to
describe his inability to speak. But that one or Bada Cath care, he's going to get up there and
he's going to be like, my fellow my fellow Mexicans, Americans, my fellow, you know,
unidentified
people in the country. But that's the state of the union.
jack murphy
They've got the teleprompters.
There's no questions.
We're in a national crisis.
The cut, the city is under siege and occupied.
There's barbed wire fences around the Capitol.
Now to take the other counter position, perhaps this is, and I hate doing this.
Taking the other position.
Perhaps, though, this is congruent with the state of emergency in the District of Columbia, the National Guard presence, potential threats of March 4th, people storming the Capitol.
Maybe it's just too high of a security risk.
But wouldn't they say that?
Wouldn't they even just come out and be like, too high of a security risk?
We're going to postpone it.
tim pool
Dude, that video creeps me out.
The video where Biden's talking and they turn the camera off, I'm like, He's like, I'll do it.
jack murphy
I'll take questions.
unidentified
I'll take some questions.
jack murphy
Can I please?
unidentified
Can I please?
tim pool
I'm just imagining like he's sitting there and like Xi Jinping is like standing with his arms crossed by the camera.
And then when he's like, I'll answer questions, he goes, and they cut it off.
And it's like, I'm kidding about Xi Jinping.
I'm just saying like when Joe Biden is on camera saying, I'll do the questions.
And then someone turns it off.
Who just turned the President of these United States off in an address to the Democratic Caucus.
Who did that?
Who overrode the President himself?
That is freaking me out.
jack murphy
Can you imagine if that happened with Trump?
I'll take some questions and people started to turn it off.
tim pool
The joke was, you know they turned off Andrew Yang's mic in the Democratic debate?
jack murphy
Did they?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
They did, yeah.
You could watch him, he's talking and he's like, I'm here to talk about universal basic And they just hear him like very faintly from the other microphones and his mouth is moving.
Trump would grab the other person's mic and go, excuse me, excuse me.
You don't turn my microphone off.
No, no.
Listen, I'm talking.
unidentified
Great.
jack murphy
Great.
tim pool
Shut them all down.
jack murphy
Great.
Biden does not have the fight in him.
tim pool
You turn the cameras off.
Could you imagine the president?
Dude, I need to stress this to all of you listening at home, my fellow Americans.
The President of the United States was speaking to members of Congress and offered to answer questions.
And then abruptly, and without any communication from the President, someone disconnected his communications.
Who overrode the President?
ian crossland
What network was it on?
tim pool
It was WhiteHouse.gov.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Whitehouse.gov turned his camera.
I'm going to say right now, in case I'm getting punked, it's a video fake.
It was posted by a bunch of verified people.
It was posted by the first on TV.
It's a, it's like a TV network.
ian crossland
So what is this?
tim pool
Are we being, are we being punked right now?
And this video is going to go viral with all these leftists being like dummies.
He thought it was real.
ian crossland
I don't know.
jack murphy
It's congruent, which makes it believable.
tim pool
That's the scary thing, right?
jack murphy
It's totally congruent.
tim pool
Outside of that whole scenario, the bigger picture is no State of the Union address, no press conferences.
jack murphy
Nope.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
It's sad.
The way he even was like, I guess I'll take questions now if that's what I'm supposed to do.
tim pool
He was, like, willing.
unidentified
Like, what old, miserable, loose... He's obviously, clearly not in control.
No, you're right.
jack murphy
He's not in control of the things he says, the way he spends his time, the way he can communicate to the American people, most likely in his decision making about what politics are doing.
So let's tie this together.
Remember the Syrian strikes a few days ago?
lydia smith
Yep.
unidentified
Kamala Harris was answering phone calls for him.
jack murphy
But apparently Kamala Harris did not even know.
lydia smith
She was not told yet.
jack murphy
She was upset that she wasn't in the loop, right?
Who knew?
Who made the decision?
Who is controlling Joe Biden?
ian crossland
You know, Trump changed some of the laws regarding drone strikes and gave control of that to the military.
So it could have been people in the military making the decision.
tim pool
Look at this story.
Veep, Kamala Harris takes foreign calls on behalf of Joe Biden, February 16th.
unidentified
Jeez.
tim pool
Something creepy, man.
And I'll say this.
I'll say this in the video where Joe Biden is speaking.
I'm willing to bet that's a green screen behind him.
That's right.
I'm half kidding, actually.
I think it is a green screen, but it's not like a nefarious green screen.
I think it's just because he's doing a Zoom call or something.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
But it does kind of look like he's sitting at a green screen.
jack murphy
Why did America elect Grandpa, who should be in a nursing home in New York City?
ian crossland
Because of hatred.
Because of their hatred for Donald Trump.
They voted for him out of hatred and now they got an idiot as president.
No, he's not an idiot, he's just old.
lydia smith
Yeah, he's super old.
tim pool
What if the simulation is just breaking, you know?
Like, you ever see the Rick and Morty episode where they turn the simulation computing power down for Jerry to like 5% and then nobody is talking but he believes it?
Like, people are saying, yes, and my man!
And they're not actually interacting with him, but he just thinks it's all real.
Like, we're sitting here and Joe Biden's like, I'll answer your questions.
Now the camera turns off and we're like, oh, that's normal.
Yes, there are Americans thinking that's normal.
That's the weirdest thing to me What are you you people you you you all sitting there listening to this party you people you people you you podcast listeners?
jack murphy
Oh, yeah, how many of you are sitting there going like well that was normal now is anybody thinking that oh Only people who are willingly convincing themselves to believe unreality so that they can get rid of Orge Man bad.
All this fits with something that I said here back in November, which is that the Democratic people were just beaten into submission.
Yeah.
And now they're willing to accept total insanity.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
jack murphy
In order to just relieve the pressure.
Like Jennifer Rubin, right?
From the Washington Post.
The other day she tweets out, she's like, it's such a great day where I don't have to think about politics on the weekend or whatever.
lydia smith
I'm sleeping in late this week.
jack murphy
I'm sleeping in late.
So even she is like feeling the relief of not being beaten over the head all day by horrible, horrible, terrible things.
And it's like, man, what is that?
ian crossland
What are you doing to me?
You don't know what that is?
You wear this thing and it protects you from COVID.
It has a vent on it.
tim pool
Can you put it on with the headphones on at the same time?
ian crossland
I don't think so, but I'll show you.
Did you see the people with the big green plastic boxes over there?
That's the new normal.
jack murphy
Don't say people, say children.
unidentified
Those are children in school, my friend.
ian crossland
I just saw two people in the woods.
No!
tim pool
Ian's wearing this big plastic space helmet dome thing that we have.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's it.
That's it.
tim pool
Ian is wearing this weird like you got to turn it on.
ian crossland
Otherwise, it's on now.
lydia smith
It's fogging up.
ian crossland
It's venting for me.
tim pool
Ian's wearing this big plastic space helmet dome thing that we have.
ian crossland
It's going to protect me from COVID.
lydia smith
And a living apparently.
tim pool
Yeah, that's it.
That's it.
The crazy thing is Joe Biden just said apparently at some kind of like, uh,
you know, interestingly, they're saying he didn't do a press conference,
but he has answered questions because he was asked about by a journalist about
about how long we're gonna be locked down.
He said, I can't give you an answer, but maybe this time next year.
jack murphy
Next year, right.
At the same time, Greg Abbott completely opens up Texas, Mississippi, I believe.
Florida's already open.
lydia smith
Forget it.
jack murphy
It's like, man.
tim pool
Well, let's go back to that point you were making about maybe there's a security issue, because we have this story from Bloomberg.
Warnings of another Capitol attack raised tensions in Washington.
Bloomberg's reporting that law enforcement warnings that a militia group may be plotting to attack the U.S.
Capitol on Thursday raised tensions again in Washington and helped prompt the House to cancel plans to meet for votes.
That could explain why Joe Biden has not given a State of the Union address, as you mentioned.
Quote, We have obtained intelligence that shows a possible plot to breach the Capitol by an identified militia group on Thursday, March 4th, the U.S.
Capitol Police said in a statement Wednesday.
We are taking the intelligence seriously.
That alert followed a joint intelligence bulletin late Tuesday from the Homeland Security Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation about extremists discussing carrying out attacks at the Capitol from March 4th to March 6th.
Melissa Smyslova, a senior Homeland Security official, told two Senate committees about the threat on Wednesday.
The police warning did not give specifics, citing sensitive nature of the information.
Now, what's this all about?
Why is a militia going to be storming in?
Well, Bloomberg says, true inauguration day.
Representative Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican, told CNN on Wednesday that Trump has a responsibility to defuse the threat by telling his supporters to stand down.
Quote, This threat is credible, McCaul said.
It's real.
The March 4th timing coincides with a date linked to conspiracy theories about it being the true Inauguration Day.
Presidents were sworn in on that date until the 20th Amendment to the Constitution shifted the ceremony to January 20th in 1933.
The warnings also come after Capitol Police and federal law enforcement came under severe criticism for not acting faster on intelligence that the Jan 6 protests could turn violent.
The latest warnings caught many in Washington by surprise, because they came a day after acting Sergeant at Arms Timothy Blodgett told lawmakers that Capitol Police had no indication groups would travel to Washington to protest or commit acts of violence.
No, I'll tell you this.
They're saying there's going to be 5,000 National Guards still there.
They're keeping the fences and the razor wire.
I said nothing was going to happen.
I was saying it.
I said, I think nothing's going to happen.
I think if people do show up, it's going to be a bunch of people waving little American flags.
They're going to go home like conservatives do.
And I published a video on January 6th at 1 p.m.
where I was like, nothing's happening.
It's boring.
Trump is speaking.
People are going to go home.
The session's happening.
It's over, everybody.
And then literally when that video went live, it was like, Trump supporters have pushed past the barricade.
Then 110.
They're attacking the cops.
And I was like, Oh wow.
I was wrong.
I was absolutely wrong about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
But you know, the circumstances are completely different.
You know, a militia.
Well, first of all, what militia?
Second of all, where did you hear about this?
Cause if it wasn't on parlor, was it on Facebook?
tim pool
Yeah, no, no.
jack murphy
If it was on Facebook, why is Facebook still up?
tim pool
Well, because Facebook is special.
jack murphy
Yeah, of course there's Facebook.
tim pool
No, they're trying to get Facebook down in some way, too.
Like, the left has been going nuts against Facebook.
BuzzFeed, I think it was BuzzFeed, wrote an article where they were like, this is where the insurrection was planned.
And then it was like, number one is GAN, number two is Parler or whatever.
And then number five, it said Facebook.
Yup, that's right, Facebook.
And they've been attacking Facebook nonstop over it.
Facebook was where the groups existed where they were talking about, you know, doing this and Facebook didn't do anything about it.
jack murphy
Well, if they have credible information and they're monitoring it, why haven't they been talking about where this is chat?
This chatter is happening.
How do we shut this down?
How do we prohibit this?
This is a completely different environment.
There's literally thousands of armed troops, razor wire, unscalable fences, an impenetrable perimeter.
No one is coming with small arms into the district.
To do what?
tim pool
To walk into a building and be like, by standing here, I'm on, it's glue.
That makes me, you know, you can't, you can't arrest me.
I'm the president now.
That's not how a country works.
ian crossland
No.
And Biden, along that vein, Biden doesn't need to be in the Capitol to do a That's a good point.
tim pool
You're right.
That's a good point.
ian crossland
He could be, this is the thing, we need a creative person in that position.
I think Andrew Yang would have been a great example of that.
He was super creative.
And you need to be working with the technology we have to explain and help people.
I mean it's just so ridiculous.
tim pool
No, no, no, you're right.
That negates the devil's advocate point you're making.
jack murphy
I hated that.
I hated doing it.
tim pool
I hated doing it.
Joe Biden could give a speech from space.
unidentified
On the moon, yeah.
jack murphy
Well, on Periscope.
tim pool
He wouldn't survive orbit, but you know.
jack murphy
The launch.
The launch.
tim pool
His body would just be like... He could take his phone and hold it up and be like, Hey, how's it going America?
You know, peace.
Just like that.
unidentified
You know, my Americans, you know, everything's good.
tim pool
See you then.
ian crossland
People would like him so much better if he did.
jack murphy
Is this thing on?
Is it on?
Nancy, is it on?
lydia smith
Is it on?
tim pool
And then Jill Biden walks up and smacks him on the butt.
Like, like with Elizabeth Warren, remember that?
Dude, that was, that was messed up.
Do you remember what happened?
Elizabeth Warren was doing, was trying to be like AOC and it was the cringiest thing ever.
And she's doing an Instagram live thinking it's going to connect with young people.
And she, she's like talking to people and she's like, I'm going to go get me a Right I'm gonna take a beer now and then but hold on this
is crazy Cuz she's drinking the beer and her husband walks up while
she's dreaming and smacked her on the butt And she like jumps and then she said something she said I'm
glad you're here I'm happy that you're here, and then Trump tweeted probably
the funniest things ever tweeted. He goes. What do you mean?
You're glad he's there He's supposed to be there at his house
That was just a great tweet Shocker!
lydia smith
I loved it, yeah.
tim pool
No, but a lot of people are responding to this Bloomberg thing saying, dude, no, this is ridiculous.
It's the Democrats just being like, help, help, the sky is falling, 1-6, it's the end of the world, oh, the militias are coming for us.
jack murphy
We've always been at war with the white domestic terrorists in the United States.
ian crossland
The military-industrial complex will use any possible evidence to enhance the militant nature of this society.
tim pool
To gain security powers.
ian crossland
Yeah, we gotta be careful about this.
tim pool
It's not just the military-industrial complex, it's the revolving door between them and government.
It's the government agencies, their contractors, and the weapons manufacturers are all sitting there being like, well, I like blowing stuff up.
Don't you like blowing stuff up?
ian crossland
I like getting paid to stand there with a gun.
Fire on my contractors and they'll guard you for no reason because you're afraid.
tim pool
I think standing there with a gun is more like what the National Guard is doing right now.
I don't mean no disrespect to the National Guard.
Like the Blackwater types.
What is that company called now?
They keep changing the name because of the controversies.
They're the guys who like, they go in and do the real messed up stuff.
You know, and I wonder, man, because I hear this stuff a lot from people who support that kind of action, that military action.
They're like, yeah, well, you wouldn't be living half as good as you are right now if these guys weren't going out there and doing this stuff.
jack murphy
Blackwater, private contractors killing people in the Mideast.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
There are people who believe, like, if we're not doing that, you know, the petrodollar falls and then we collapse and then we're, you know, that's it.
What does America export, man?
War.
Culture.
Culture, maybe.
Culture is probably one of our biggest exports.
jack murphy
Debt.
Debt's our biggest export.
tim pool
Yeah, well, so we had Ethan Suplee on the show, and he mentioned what a lot of people don't realize about this war is that we're propping up the petrodollar.
Yeah, we can go into debt with as much money as we want because we're pointing guns at everybody, basically.
So, they gotta use our dollars no matter what.
It could inflate things for Americans, but the economy can't collapse as long as we got guns pointed at people.
So that's... I mean, that's the big picture, I guess.
ian crossland
Blackwater's called Academy now.
tim pool
Are you sure it's called Academy now?
I thought they changed the name.
ian crossland
It was just Academy.
With an I. Not Academy now.
That'd be funny.
Academy now.
Before that it was called ZXE.
They changed it from Blackwater to Z in 2009 and then to Academy in 2011.
lydia smith
Why do they keep changing it?
ian crossland
To avoid bad press.
Oh, interesting.
Monsanto did the same thing.
It allowed itself to be bought by Bayer.
jack murphy
You remember when Marlboro changed their name to Altria as well?
lydia smith
Altria?
Sounds like a medicine.
jack murphy
Right, exactly.
I mean, I don't know who to believe.
I don't know where to put my attention.
I just want to know who is pulling the strings.
Who's the one that's saying to Biden, don't talk?
Who's the one saying, maybe you shouldn't do a joint session?
Who's the one saying, no State of the Union?
One of the coolest things about being president has got to be doing the State of the Union.
When you get 500 people standing up cheering for you, national television, 40 million people, it's got to be a highlight.
I bet you Bill Clinton, when he first got elected, I bet you he was like, man, I can't wait to get this thing done.
He did his first one, what, like 28 days, whatever, after inauguration.
Just enough time to get the speech written.
To prepare, to practice a whole bunch, to get the logistics down.
He was probably like, let's do it, let's do it, let's do it.
He probably wanted to do it the next day.
tim pool
February 17th.
jack murphy
February 17th.
Yeah.
Less than a month later.
lydia smith
Yep.
jack murphy
Less than a month later.
unidentified
And Joe Biden now in this time of healing.
jack murphy
When are you going to heal me, Joe?
lydia smith
Yeah, come on, Joe.
jack murphy
Come on, fat.
tim pool
Just heal me.
You know what I was thinking?
What do you think the British Crown thought of the Founding Fathers?
Dangerous far-right extremists?
unidentified
Terrorists?
tim pool
Sovereign citizen terrorists?
And under what authority did the Founding Fathers have to actually declare independence?
jack murphy
God.
Literally, it's like in the first, what, few sentences?
tim pool
Well, no, actually there were a series of elections held in each state.
And then some of them were like ad hoc and like unofficial.
And then they sent representatives to varying degrees.
They were supported by the state.
jack murphy
They were down at the pub and they were like, who's going to go to Philadelphia?
tim pool
Some of them were kind of crazy.
But then imagine this.
Imagine if right now, check it out, check it out.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
What if there was a very large group?
What does the Oath Keepers have?
Like 40,000 or something like that?
lydia smith
Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
What happens if just a bunch of armed groups in various states said, yeah, we were elected by our communities.
We represent them.
So we're, we're, we're voting for this.
ian crossland
They better have a good document to back it up.
That's one of the things the founding fathers had.
They were really smart and good.
tim pool
What was it?
They had a list of, was it, was it 14 grievances they were upset about?
lydia smith
Was it 14?
jack murphy
And redresses.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
jack murphy
Whatever that means.
ian crossland
And they were also really wealthy, a lot of them.
It'd be like if Elon Musk came together with Jeff Bezos, with Mark Zuckerberg, with us, you know.
jack murphy
So was it our oligarchs at the time?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
They weren't the kings of industry.
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
They were just well-off dudes for the most part.
ian crossland
Right.
It's not quite like Zuckerberg and Bezos.
jack murphy
But there wasn't industry, per se.
tim pool
Yeah, there was the East India Trading Company.
Biggest company to ever exist, I'm pretty sure.
jack murphy
Right, but, sure, certainly.
But this is pre-Industrial Revolution, this is pre-Robber Barons, this is pre-mass wealth of everyone.
These are gentlemen farmers, right?
Some lawyers, some army guys, right?
Legislators, you know?
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
And so it wasn't the same kind of power, I don't think.
But I do remember studying the American Revolution recently, actually, and seeing the fusion between what was called the cosmopolitan folks, you know, like the people that live in the city that were all educated, the guys that went and lived in France and came back.
They had to make an alliance with the religious Zionists who lived in the countryside.
Right.
Like there were can people in there still are here in the United States who believe that this is new Zion, that this is this is a place to build.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
jack murphy
This is a place to build Zion and have new kingdom of God here in the United States.
And they were able to link up these networks.
The cosmopolitan guys worried about the natural rights and the freedoms and this and that and the taxation and all that.
They joined forces with the religious folks who believe that this was Zion.
And that they were here to build a new promised land and they got together because they all wanted their independence.
So they had alignment.
This was like an early example of a decentralized movement that had alignment, right?
Because John Adams and Thomas Jefferson or whatever, they weren't Zionists.
Right.
But they saw they had common alignment there.
So they were like, all right, let's do it.
And I've read sermons actually from like 1760 and 1770 from preachers in the countryside telling their people about this revolution that's coming because God wants it, because we're here to build a new Zion, et cetera, et cetera.
And it's just interesting to me to, as we're talking about this, to see who were the characters, like, what did they have?
What did they hold?
What kind of power did they have?
And what was their motivation?
What is, what would be in the analogy today?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I don't think it's Musk or Bezos.
ian crossland
I think about it a lot, invoking God when I'm talking about this and the problems and the solutions.
It gets people rallied.
And it's kind of scary to use that because I feel like it's not fair.
It's kind of like playing the Trump card.
It's almost like I don't necessarily believe, I don't know if there's a God necessarily.
I just don't know.
But to say it, it works.
tim pool
There are people who will absolutely pretend to be acting on behalf of God because they know that people will be scared or people will be faithful and they'll give power to these individuals who exploit them.
That's what I see when I see... I'll put it this way.
The Republicans, I think, are, you know, Mitch McConnell looks at all these conservatives and goes, well, who else are you gonna vote for?
And the Democrats are like, well, I'll say literally anything to you to get you to vote for me because I know as soon as you do you walk away.
Now things are a little bit different, though, with social media.
Seeing these memes come from the left and the right, making fun of Biden.
The greatest meme ever made, in my opinion, right now.
You see the one where it's- Big words.
It's the red button and the blue button, and it says vaporizing Syrians.
The blue one says $2,000 checks.
Instead of the guy being sweating and confused, which to press, it's Dr. Robotnik laughing maniacally as he reaches for the red button.
And it says Joe Biden over it.
It's perfect because not only does the meme work by itself, but it's also a meta meme in that by getting rid of the confused sweating guy and replacing him with an enthusiastic robotnik reaching for the red button so assuredly, it's just masterpiece.
Masterpiece meme.
But I want to point something out about the Founding Fathers.
The one thing they had, the biggest advantage, King was 3,000 miles away.
What was he gonna do about it?
They were having these meetings, they were kicking their feet up.
Now the regulars were going around and acting a fool.
But for the most part, when the cat is away, the mice will play.
That's a saying, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the king wasn't coming to the colonies.
And then we brought... I brought this up many times.
They could write this letter being like, yo, king, we out!
And they send it on a ship.
Three months later, the king gets it and he's like, haram plaza!
I'm gonna write a strongly worded letter back to them!
Three months later, it makes it back, and it's been now six months since they declared independence, and they're acting as a sovereign nation at this point.
So they're like, bro, that was six months ago.
Where you been?
jack murphy
Right, right.
tim pool
We don't have that right now.
jack murphy
They had the whole lantern thing all set up.
What was that?
One by land, two by sea?
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
They were prepared.
lydia smith
They were super prepared.
jack murphy
They sent that letter off.
They're like, let's put some lanterns in place.
ian crossland
What were the lanterns for?
jack murphy
To signify if the British were coming by land or by sea.
I'm probably getting all my history wrong.
My girlfriend's at home right now watching this being like, your history's not right.
Sorry, babe.
tim pool
They basically had like the beacon set up.
They're like, when you see the regulars, light the beacons!
And then, you know, they put the little lanterns.
ian crossland
And they also, in addition to having the distance and the time buffer, they had the French, which were like this giant monarch nation that was willing to go to war for them, basically, to destroy England.
tim pool
Yeah, well, kind of.
They were basically like, we're at war with England, so we're not really helping you so much as you're helping us.
ian crossland
Yeah, symbiotic.
And man, they would have had no chance without the French.
The French basically bankrupted their economy.
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, and then it caused the French Revolution and that guy executed all those other guys.
But there were a bunch of nobles in France who were like, I regret that decision.
Hey, I don't.
I'm glad they did it.
But yeah, they destroyed their economy and then everybody started starving and the French Revolution.
lydia smith
They had other issues, okay.
jack murphy
And then we got Louisiana.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Napoleon.
He sold it to us, right?
jack murphy
So what, like 25 years later?
Less.
ian crossland
Wow.
jack murphy
Not just Louisiana, mind you.
Like the whole central third of the country.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then I think there was that big swath of Mexico, and then, you know, we had the California Territory, and then Texas declared independence, and then Texas signed a treaty joining the United States.
I was reading something about how Texas could have been five different states.
jack murphy
It was it was five different nations within the Texas Republic Republic.
lydia smith
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Right.
So and then and I think this is recently an anniversary maybe of their independence from Mexico.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Yesterday.
So I saw I looked at the document.
Right.
They were really good with the documents back then.
And they're still good.
Well, I guess we're even better with the documents these days.
But it made me think.
Texans, Texas folks, Mexicans.
They're people of color.
People from Texas are people of color.
They're actually immigrants to the United States.
When are we going to start treating Texas with the dignity and respect that we need and demand to give our immigrant folks here?
That's a good question.
Well, let's talk about Texas, alright?
Give them all the opportunities and all the affirmative action and all the benefits and honors of regime designed
around Benefiting POC's and immigrants and people new to the
country. When are the Texas Republic folks gonna get their dues?
tim pool
Well, let's let's let's talk about Texas All right for most of you you may have heard Texas Greg Abbott
comes right out and he's like yo, we done Yo.
No more COVID lockdown.
What's that look on your face?
jack murphy
It's like, hell yeah, man.
unidentified
I'm into it.
jack murphy
Let's do it.
unidentified
Good.
jack murphy
I'm ready to go.
tim pool
And what did Joe Biden say?
jack murphy
Called him the Neanderthals.
tim pool
Joe Biden.
Neanderthal thinking.
Biden calls Abbott's decision to open Texas, lift mask order, big mistake.
You know why Joe Biden won't do anything about it?
The risk of secession is real.
It's real.
It is.
It's not my opinion.
That is the opinion of Casey Michael, writing for NBC, pro-Trump Republican secession rhetoric in Texas and elsewhere is more than a punchline.
This kind of seditious rhetoric would spell disaster for the supposedly United States of America.
In this article.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Dude goes in.
I mean, look, I think it's I think.
unidentified
Go.
tim pool
I actually actually agree with them when they say that the risk of secession is legit.
Now, they mention that there have been many instances where Republicans are like, we will secede from the Union if, you know, Obama gets elected.
This time's different.
And so we talked about there's five counties in Oregon.
Have you heard this?
jack murphy
What, the whole Greater Idaho thing?
tim pool
Greater Idaho.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And then you got like nine or whatever counties in Northern California to make the state of Jefferson.
Some of those might actually join Greater Idaho.
Then you got Weld County.
And what's the other one?
unidentified
I think that's it.
jack murphy
These are counties that are like... And there's a handful of counties in Virginia that have been welcomed into the state of West Virginia as well.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Really?
jack murphy
Yep.
But you can't do that.
Why not?
Well, there needs to be federal approval.
tim pool
Why?
jack murphy
Well, at least according to the documents, the laws, you can't redraw state borders without federal approval.
tim pool
You know, that's a really good point, Jack, and you are correct.
You need the approval of your sovereign leader and your legal system before you're allowed to declare independence.
Just like in 1776 when the Founding Fathers... I have a feeling you're mocking me.
They sent a petition to Parliament, and Parliament said, Good sir, the Americans have requested independence.
We agree!
Stamp.
Sent it back to them.
jack murphy
But look, like anybody that's ever gone through a legal process knows, first you have to start off with a nice letter, then you have to come with a nasty letter, then you have to come with a demand letter, then you have to demand mediation, arbitration, then finally you're like, En garde!
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
That's true, though.
The Founding Fathers didn't immediately just say, yo, we out!
They were like, sir, we have a list of grievances.
And then they kept kicking back for like 20 years.
They were like, yo, dude, this is a problem for us.
And the king was like, I don't care.
So now what we're seeing is, I was looking at these counties that want us to see it.
Joe Biden calls Texas Neanderthals.
ian crossland
That's very racist, by the way.
jack murphy
Subhuman.
ian crossland
Neanderthals were people.
And that is an extremely racist thing to say.
tim pool
Specious.
lydia smith
That's true.
That's a good point.
jack murphy
It's terrible.
ian crossland
That's really, really bigoted of him to say that.
tim pool
Joe Biden won't do anything because the risk is real.
So, you know, he said, You go, you know, Joe Biden said we're gonna be locked down.
No normal until this time next year, right?
Texas said, doors open.
Do something about it.
jack murphy
Basically the same day.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
And you know why nothing will happen?
Texas is going to be fine.
They can do whatever they want.
What do you think would happen if Joe Biden said, I hereby order a mandate that Texas lock back down?
What would happen?
What do you think would happen?
jack murphy
That would be the final straw.
tim pool
Would the federal government send in DHS or National Guard to enforce this lockdown?
No, they wouldn't.
You know why?
They don't have enough people.
They don't.
If the people in Texas are told by the governor, you open your business, they will.
If Joe Biden tries sending people into Texas to shut their businesses down, the police in Texas will stop them.
We've already seen, what was it like in Ohio, where they said, like, we'll arrest ATF members for violating our gun laws.
If you try and confiscate a weapon from somebody in violation of our law, we'll arrest you.
When if the federal government tries to overexert its authority, I mean, it may have the authority.
jack murphy
I welcome that, actually.
I welcome that.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Well, as as as a as a necessary mistake on the path to continue decentralization.
Like we have a serious centralization problem in biology, in our economy, in science, in technology, in finance, with currencies.
We have a centralization problem, right?
Because when it's all in the middle, it's huge risks.
ian crossland
You saw the Federal Reserve go down.
jack murphy
Oh yeah, that was crazy.
Decentralization of authority is actually on trend with everything else that's happening right now.
Strategic disconnection has been my theme for the last couple of years.
I would welcome this type of egregious behavior on the part of the federal government as part of a necessary step to increase this decentralization effort.
tim pool
This is why Trump probably didn't do anything when it came to Black Lives Matter as well.
It wasn't so much that people will say you're a tyrant.
It was that you had riots all over the country, nowhere near enough federal law enforcement to actually stop it.
Now, that's not entirely correct.
It's correct that it would have taken a substantial amount of federal force to stop them, and it may have backfired, and then the resulting backlash could have overwhelmed National Guard or federal police.
jack murphy
But it was also consistent with Trump's response to COVID as well.
tim pool
Yeah, leave it up to the states.
jack murphy
Leave it up to the states.
tim pool
But so, in this regard, you have a very bold move by Mississippi and by Texas, but Texas is legit like, we're opening back up.
Well, Florida's already been open, so let's be real.
Joe Biden's not going to do anything because Joe Biden doesn't really care.
When Joe Biden comes out, this is the crazy thing.
He's only the leader of the blue states.
This is the point that people need to realize that is the scariest point of all.
Florida already is open.
Many states never locked down.
Texas is reopening, defying Joe Biden.
Joe Biden has no confidence in red states.
The red states have no confidence in Joe Biden.
But the blue states are like, whenever you say Biden, it's true.
So Biden comes out as the president of the United States, says, we got to stay locked down, don't be stupid.
And the red states are like, No.
jack murphy
Make me.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
So think about who is he actually in charge of.
Not the red states.
They don't seem to care.
Ron DeSantis is ragging on the guy.
He's doing whatever he wants.
And then what did Biden say?
Craziest story we've seen in a long time.
Biden threatened travel restrictions into Florida because of what Ron DeSantis was doing.
And Ron DeSantis was like, bring it.
So this is not the President of the United States, it's the President of the Blue States.
jack murphy
He is.
tim pool
And I know legally and all that stuff, he was inaugurated.
The problem I'm talking about is the division between the tribes in this country...
South Dakota, we're not locking down Florida.
We're not locking down Texas, Mississippi.
Now I think Louisiana is easing restrictions.
They're basically looking at Biden and saying, no.
jack murphy
Imagine, maybe this is why they haven't done the State of the Union.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you that the State of the Union is weak, pathetic, disgusting.
There's actually no union.
And I'm here and I'm just leading however many, it was like whatever handfuls, you know, the states, the electoral states that he got elected.
That's it.
I'm not, I'm not the president for everybody else.
I mean, that would have to be.
That's like the reality.
tim pool
In the article before about the militia attack, there's the, you know, FBI Director Chris Wray says domestic extremists pose the greatest threat to the U.S.
or whatever, right?
He's not wrong from his perspective.
He's the establishment perspective.
He views the intelligence agencies, the security state, and the corporate politicians as the legitimate United States government.
And Donald Trump is not that.
He was a usurper.
He was an invader.
He was an outsider.
So they were like, this guy is taking over our legitimate system.
He's a threat.
Now think about these people.
These people who are supposedly threatening the U.S., they're not foreigners.
They're not swearing allegiance to anything other than the Constitution.
These are American citizens at odds with the existing establishment.
You got yourselves a problem.
jack murphy
The existing establishment is an occupying force that does not believe in the Constitution of the United States.
And the people here in the United States that do believe in the Constitution and do believe in the vision of the founders When I say instructionists, I mean that in the context of there is a dominant occupying force that has captured all of our institutions, captured all the universities, the government, everything.
And they do not adhere to or believe in the Constitution of the United States or in freedom of liberty or in individual accountability or any of the things that we were founded on.
Therefore, they are an occupying foreign force and people that believe in the Constitution are actually insurgents because we do want to expel, well, this occupying force.
tim pool
This is the white pill moment.
You know, that means like the optimism.
It's the it's the good news.
It's the it's it's the.
Hope.
jack murphy
Bring it, bring it.
No blackmailing here.
tim pool
The hope is in front of us.
Joe Biden has lost control.
He can't even answer questions without someone turning his camera off.
The establishment is in free fall.
The Democrats and Republicans, the establishment politicians, are flailing wildly in panic.
Turning the president's camera off?
Wow, they are scared.
jack murphy
Abandoning tradition of addressing the Congress and addressing the people after you've been elected president.
tim pool
And what do you think, and then when he cries to come out saying, we gotta stay locked down, and all the states are just breaking away and saying, no.
jack murphy
F you, dude.
tim pool
F you, dude.
And what do you think happens if Joe Biden goes, my fellow Americans, we must ban firearms.
What do you think Texas is gonna say?
They're gonna start Yosemite Samming.
Very irresponsible, by the way.
ian crossland
Once the economy crashes... Yosemite Sam?
tim pool
He was a white, red-bearded cowboy.
jack murphy
I'm just kidding, but why did Yosemite Sam have a little accent?
ian crossland
He kind of had a beard like you, Jack.
tim pool
What do you mean?
He had a white, southern accent.
jack murphy
No, you just now!
unidentified
Cancel Yosemite?
ian crossland
I say when the economy crashes, because if you study history, you see it's a cyclical crash and rebuild and crash.
jack murphy
Wait, wait, wait.
Didn't it just crash this year, Bob?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's crashing.
We're in a crash right now, basically, if you look at the numbers.
tim pool
You don't need to look at the numbers.
Just look at the people who don't have jobs.
ian crossland
And the crashes can take years sometimes.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
Every decade, there's a crash.
Something happens.
We had the mortgage-backed security crisis, and all of a sudden, it was like, oh, the market's on fire!
Trump's economy was so good, the only thing that caused the crash was when governments were like, turn the economy off.
jack murphy
That's exactly right.
tim pool
And they turned the key and just stopped it.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
jack murphy
That's the only way they could stop it.
That's the only way they could stop it.
Best economy ever.
With also the greatest quarter of growth in American history.
Yeah, it's like 30-some percent.
tim pool
I can't tell you how many times I talked to somebody.
I had a contractor working.
It was back at the other studio.
And he was like, 2019 was the greatest year of my life.
I've never made that much money before.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was at it.
I told this story before.
I was buying furniture for the studio setup.
So this is beginning of 2020.
The lady who was selling furniture, I was like, we gotta do a big order.
We need tables, we need chairs, we need desks, we need everything.
We're building out this whole thing.
It was a very expensive order, and she was laughing.
And then I was like, good day for you, huh?
And she goes, it's been a good year.
And I was like, yeah, how was last year?
Last year was good for you?
And she goes, I've never made more money in my life.
She said, last year was my biggest year ever, selling furniture, and she was just laughing, having a good time.
That was the Trump economy.
ian crossland
But I could print 10 times the money and pay you 10 times the value, but then everything's gonna be... That was before, dude.
jack murphy
Well, since 2008, it's been... M1 has been going... No, but what's happened in 2020... It's unprecedented.
Okay, so it was going like this, it was going like this, and then truly, dude, the whole scale from this part shrinks now because it just goes like this.
ian crossland
So my point is when this seems like we're headed towards a crash, that's like the last semblance of unity in the United States.
Obviously, we have our lockdown issues and states by states, state rights.
But when that's gone, this money thing, the Bitcoin, the crypto people are going to come up and basically take control of the country.
We need a document.
We have the Constitution.
jack murphy
Digital Bill of Rights.
ian crossland
And we need something like that.
The Manila Principles.
tim pool
So we need a we need a digital constitutional convention.
And I mean this in no way challenging any of the authority of the US, just basically getting people from various industries and various regions to write down what they think matters most to the people where they live and who they represent so that we can draft.
We should start with like 30 principles of what the internet is supposed to grant to people as an economy, as a communication hub, as entertainment.
Then we go through them, we whittle down the language, and then find a good 10 or 15.
ian crossland
I think it's been done.
The Manila Principles.
Have you heard of them?
You should pull them up.
There's like six of them.
It's basically an Internet Bill of Rights.
It's real.
It's been done.
I would love for you to pull it up and read it right now.
tim pool
Well, so, I want to make this point, though.
When you mention that the Bitcoin people are going to be the ones who take over, it's going to be like the fall of the Soviet Union.
The oligarchs.
That's right.
That's right.
So, I was talking to a friend of mine, because everybody knows now I have a friend in Ukraine because I mention her all the time, and I was like, Well, it was really interesting.
I went there and I was, you know, you live, you were born in the Soviet Union.
You were a little kid when the Soviet Union collapsed.
How did these oligarchs come to power in these past couple of decades when everybody was under the boot of Russia?
She was like, they're gangsters.
They were criminal gangsters.
And then look, look at this way.
You have a power plant, right?
Power plant waits for the word from their higher militaristic communist authority.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, that communication got snapped.
Just the line was cut.
Now the guy running this power plant's like, I don't know.
All of a sudden, the dude walks in.
He's got three dudes around him with guns, and he goes, we're gonna tell you what to do.
It's our factory now.
You answer to me.
And the foreman of the factory goes, sounds good to me, because I don't know what's going on.
These guys went around from building to building with guns, and just kept saying, it's mine, it's mine, it's mine.
And then all of a sudden, boom, they were billionaires overnight.
jack murphy
The kleptocracy, as it's called.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what will happen when the dollar gets smacked down?
Why do you think China has been buying so much Bitcoin or printing and mining?
I should say mining Bitcoin because.
Was that was that face?
jack murphy
Well, didn't I see an article recently about China shutting down all kinds of mining operations?
tim pool
Yeah, but it's a very clever thing because of the price tanks.
And then they buy it all up and then they say, oh, no, no, we're just kidding.
Yeah, they've done it several times.
And I think India did it.
It's very clever.
They're like, we're going to ban this.
And then everyone panic sells.
And then guess who buys it up?
There are a lot of people right now who have already become worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
There's one really funny tweet I saw.
Some guy said, looking at my account with 15 Bitcoin in it on the computer that I lost or whatever, and it's just like, because you can actually see the number, you can see the address in the blockchain, and he's like, that's mine, but I can't get it.
There are a lot of people who have Bitcoin.
They maybe even bought in with a couple hundred bucks.
And now it's at like 50 grand.
50 grand.
It is in your faces, man.
We are watching the value of the dollar evaporate.
One of the craziest stories I saw.
Did you know that fast food prices have been skyrocketing?
Nobody noticed this.
People don't pay attention because we're frogs boiling in a pot.
I was reading a story about how the cost of fast food meals in the past year have gone up like 40 or 50 percent.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
Restaurants have also skyrocketed.
And there's a graph showing the cost of food going up.
It's getting, it's happening.
ian crossland
I remember 49 cent crunchy tacos at Taco Bell.
tim pool
Oh man, back in the day.
ian crossland
When they'd go on 39 cent.
jack murphy
Come on bro, I remember five McDonald's cheeseburgers for two bucks.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Because I'm old.
I already established this.
ian crossland
I'm old.
Is that some 80s?
tim pool
Remember the dollar menu, dude?
I remember doing that long ago.
ian crossland
So what are they now?
They're like $11 meals?
Happy meals and stuff?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so like a... What's like... Yeah, they are, bro.
ian crossland
Like a Big Mac's $5.29 or something.
jack murphy
I'm going to stop in on the way home.
I'm going to price check.
ian crossland
Yeah, do it.
A Big Mac was $2.29.
tim pool
Go to New York City.
You know how much a number one's going to cost in New York?
Probably like $15, $20.
New York City.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
And that was before a $15 minimum wage.
lydia smith
Yep, there you go.
tim pool
So listen, listen.
Ian makes a good point.
The people who are holding Bitcoin are going to wake up one day and be the new oligarchs.
jack murphy
Definitely.
ian crossland
But we have a constitution, so it'll be different than Russia as long as we adhere to it.
And the Manila Principles, which is like a digital... I think we can integrate it into our U.S.
Constitution.
I could read some of that.
tim pool
Yeah, there's six of them.
in a bit, maybe, maybe I've got, I want to, I want to talk about something else because
I think this matters.
Biden slashes stimulus checks for Americans making more than $80,000.
President bows to pressure from moderate Democrats and will hand out fewer direct payments than
under Trump, fewer than under Trump, which moderate Democrats are this, but we just kind
of just kind of talk about how brutal it must be to have voted for Joe Biden thinking the
Democrats were to get you this check.
And now you're being told by the news, actually, Trump was trying to get you more.
That is gotta be like a kick in the balls.
jack murphy
You know those tweets where people are like, you know, you sure are like, you know, spending a lot of money when you owe me money, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack murphy
It's like these tweets.
It's like, you sure are, you know, vaporizing Syrians when you owe me a lot of money, man.
lydia smith
Bombing a lot of Syrians.
tim pool
Biden's, uh, sure got a lot of money for somebody who owes me $2,000.
Exactly.
Sure got a lot of money for missiles.
jack murphy
It's like, how insane is it?
We're the only country in the world where they force everybody out of their jobs and stay home and then don't give them any money to make up for it.
tim pool
Look at I pulled the meme up. I pulled this meme up. I didn't make it. I just saw people
sharing it and I reposted it. I don't know who made it. It's yours now. It is the hand pushing
one of the two buttons, vaporizing Syrians is red and $2,000 checks is blue. And then it's Dr.
Robotnik, Jim Carrey going and pressing the red button. Joe Biden, all the Democrats said,
vote for the Democrats. $2,000 check.
Donald Trump said, $2,000 check.
unidentified
Mitch McConnell was like, well, slow down there, Trump.
tim pool
So the Republicans said, no.
The Democrats said, yes.
And everyone said, I'll vote for the Democrats.
And then the Democrats, it's wonderful.
It's like, they all voted to give the one ring to Joe Biden and they followed him into the fires of Mount Doom.
And then they're like, cast the $2,000 checks into the mailbox.
And then Biden turns on and goes, no, and then walks out with the money and then hands him to a military industrial complex guy and then presses a button and fires missiles and goes, kills kids or whatever.
ian crossland
I think what you said earlier about us being co-opted, our government being basically occupied is it's extremely astute.
Like after Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act and basically sold us out to this power.
And then after World War Two, when they made the liberal economic order and established these military bases all over the world.
It's like a parasite in the brain of our country.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Slow down there, Ron Paul.
ian crossland
I love Ron Paul.
Ron, this is for you.
tim pool
That's right.
So for Christmas, Luke put Ron Paul on top of the tree because he's both a star and an angel.
And now the picture is just like on the window.
Ron Paul's an amazing guy.
And I always tell people that the reason... Have you seen that video that's going viral from 1988?
jack murphy
Yes, of course.
Where him on Mori?
tim pool
No, no, no.
I don't know what it is.
jack murphy
It was just one of those shock jock hosts from that time period.
tim pool
It was so good.
Ron Paul is a legend.
jack murphy
He was amazing.
tim pool
A living legend.
jack murphy
And then he's like, yeah, and by the way, you fatty, you should lose some weight too.
tim pool
No, no, he was like, the government can't make you a good person.
Why don't they put you on a diet?
You're a little overweight.
And the guy's like, oh, how dare you?
It's a good point.
ian crossland
He's like, I'm a doctor.
tim pool
Yeah, he's a doctor.
ian crossland
And he was probably right.
tim pool
The government can't make you be a good person.
ian crossland
So, I'm thinking about this parasite in the brain of our country, and how do you remove a parasite without it killing the host?
Because this parasite will- You drink its blue goo.
tim pool
Like, it's blue.
Right.
ian crossland
You can't yank it out, because it will kill the host.
You can try and kill it, but if it knows you're trying to kill it, it will kill the host.
Likely.
tim pool
Not necessarily.
ian crossland
So you need to subvert it.
tim pool
You need to massage the affected area until it starts wiggling its way out, and then you get the forceps, and you slowly pull.
unidentified
Very, very slowly.
tim pool
It's like a botfly.
Otherwise it could rip, and then retreat back in.
ian crossland
So you make the host less enticing to the parasite.
jack murphy
So we have to poison pill ourselves.
tim pool
Or, well... No, there's no real analogy for that.
ian crossland
I think, you know... Create a system that's not conducive to the parasite.
tim pool
I don't think that's a good analogy because it's one planet.
It would be like if there was one host and literally no other hosts.
ian crossland
I think the U.S.
is the host, the U.S.
government.
tim pool
I think the whole planet is basically got a bunch of powerful interests that collude with each other for a variety of reasons.
ian crossland
You're right, the British government too.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not like, it's funny how people are like, you're a conspiracy theorist.
It's not a conspiracy to think there's international businesses that do deals with each other, it happens every single day.
Right, and so, you've got Trump being like, he comes out by the White House with a helicopter or whatever, and the press asks him like, what's going on?
He goes, we're gonna be selling a ton of weapons to Saudi Arabia, it's great, we're gonna make tons of money, it's great for the economy, and it's like, it's right there in your face, he's saying it.
I love that, by the way.
It was one of the greatest moments of Trump's presidency.
Watching all the anti-war laugh just go like, he just said it!
jack murphy
He just said it!
That was why people hated him.
tim pool
My favorite tweet ever was this journalist who was like, I have been working on this story for a year.
All year.
And he just says it.
He just says it.
He just tweeted it out.
jack murphy
He just tweeted it out.
That was huge.
That was huge.
That was right around the same time as let's do a little game theory.
tim pool
Oh, man.
So I do think, think about this.
When we got off the gold standard, it's really amazing.
Once the banking institutions... I think it's silly to say the banks are in charge or the Fed.
There's clearly just people in power and wealthy interests who just use these machines in these systems to maintain control.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Bank for International Settlements.
It's like the mother brand.
tim pool
The B.I.
The Liberal Economic Order, you called it?
ian crossland
Yeah, they've established it in like 1946, I think, right after World War II to make sure that there was no World War III.
And they were like, we're going to use the British and the American governments to establish military dominance on the planet.
tim pool
Isn't that a good, isn't it a good thing to have World War III?
ian crossland
According to Kissinger, yes.
And so we're just going to do limited wars.
We'll avoid a hot total war.
But you can see that it's, I think the time for limited war is over.
It served its purpose.
We did avert World War III.
jack murphy
Wait, are you advocating now for total war?
ian crossland
No, I'm advocating for no war.
I don't think we need war anymore.
I mean, we're getting to a place where we don't- No, you're right.
tim pool
I talk about it all the time.
Violence doesn't work anymore.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You become the villain instantly when you engage in that stuff.
ian crossland
We're getting there.
We're molecularly printing, you know, water and food.
We'll be able to do that pretty soon.
So, we're very close.
tim pool
We just gotta build them replicators, and that's it.
But I will say, too- That's it.
lydia smith
We're almost there.
jack murphy
QED.
tim pool
Post-scarcity, bro.
Post-scarcity.
People are printing food.
jack murphy
We already live in an abundant world.
Just look at all of the fat people in America.
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
We live in a world of abundance and we're designed to live in a world of scarcity.
This is the one thing I try to hammer into my kids brains constantly.
unidentified
Bro.
tim pool
What?
Not just fat people.
Fat homeless people.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
We have people who are homeless and morbidly obese.
jack murphy
That's that's like that's I don't know if it's a testament to capitalism or like a detriment, you know, or a It's a it's a prime example of the way our society has evolved faster than our physical physical being.
Right.
We we we are creatures of worlds of scarcity now living in a world of abundance.
And we just don't know how to operate.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
We don't operate.
Ironically, think about this.
unidentified
A man with chiseled eight pack like you.
jack murphy
Yeah, not not right now, but by summertime, I promise that beach body.
That's a sign of status to appear as though you're emaciated.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Like what is that?
That's a world turned upside down on its head.
tim pool
These guys, these guys who do the, the, like the photo shoots of the super muscles and everything, they dehydrate themselves.
jack murphy
Oh yeah, of course.
tim pool
You have to drop a lot of the water so that the muscles come through the skin better.
jack murphy
Yeah, and top-down lighting is always really good, too.
tim pool
I think I was reading something from Jason Moma, who was Aquaman, and he posted a picture.
Something happened where he was at the beach, and they posted a photo saying he's really let himself go, and he literally didn't.
He was still doing the training program.
He was just like, it's crazy that you think.
Just like having skin and looking this way, having like hydrated skin, you think is letting yourself go because they're so used to these movies where they're like emaciated.
jack murphy
Let me just say one thing.
If you've ever seen Brad Pitt in Fight Club, Thor with his shirt off for a second or the Wolverine or whatever, just know that those guys, they train like six months.
for that one day for that one shot where they have their shirt off.
And that is not real.
That is not sustained.
And that's what guys that are on steroids with personal trainers and personal chefs and they can only maintain that for just a few days for that photo shoot.
And I think it's totally unrealistic.
tim pool
I think Hemsworth who plays Thor said he was eating like several pounds of fish and chicken every day because you need that much protein to maintain the mass.
And then they do this.
They film the movie over the month and then he goes to a lighter training thing where he's not Breaking himself.
jack murphy
Back to a normal guy.
ian crossland
Gerard Butler is training for 300.
He played Leonidas.
It's amazing.
I think there's a YouTube short 10-minute video about it.
It's really powerful.
jack murphy
Nevertheless, it is interesting how we need to adapt to a world of abundance when we're accustomed to a world of scarcity.
ian crossland
Yeah, good point.
So we're brainwashed.
We're basically to think that there's not enough.
jack murphy
Not brainwashed.
Through all time and history, there has not been enough.
ian crossland
And now you can order any vegetable, any fruit, more or less, on the internet.
tim pool
I mean, that's a problem.
ian crossland
It is.
It seems like it has become a problem.
tim pool
It is a problem.
It's a problem that you can order strawberries in winter because they got to grow them in, like, Mexico and then put them on a freight and then ship it all the way out.
It's a huge waste of energy for a luxury.
It's a luxury.
I get it.
It's great.
But in that capacity, I think people should get back to, like, we need to get back.
People should put chickens on.
Like, you know, we got to get chickens, man.
jack murphy
You buy a chicken, bro.
I saw a tweet.
Yeah, I'm all about it.
Let's get some chickens.
tim pool
We got.
So this is this is my shout out to all the people who are upset about Joe Biden, the stimulus check.
I think that's like what we're starting the segment off with.
You can get mad.
The government's not going to give you that money.
But what are you going to do about it?
What are you going to do?
You're going to sit there and be like, I'm mad.
All right.
Here's a solution.
You got to be self-sustainable.
lydia smith
I don't want a solution.
tim pool
And that's fine.
You can be mad if you want, but then you're going to be hungry and mad.
ian crossland
You could start an Instagram account, buy baseball gloves and resell them at retail?
tim pool
Yeah, or shoes.
Or, or.
You know what I see?
I see signs for all over the place is people have chickens and they sell the eggs.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They collect them all.
And then after a certain amount of time, they eat them if they go, if they're too old, but then the fresher ones they always have available for sale.
jack murphy
300 eggs per year per hen.
Get on it.
tim pool
300 eggs?
jack murphy
Yeah.
Per year, per hen.
tim pool
If you do it right, though.
jack murphy
I learned that by watching Homestead Rescue, one of my favorite shows on television.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
So this is an important point, though.
You know, we were talking the other day with Ryan Long about whether or not—this was one of the Timcast member segments—whether or not society will irreparably change Completely.
When they release the lockdown finally, how different will everything be?
And I was like, I think it'll be different forever.
I think it's done.
It's different.
New normal is here.
The habits you had are gone.
Regular people.
Yeah, absolutely.
jack murphy
I mean, I hear what you're saying, but like, I'm thinking about this summer and lockdowns being released.
And all I can think about is getting my ass back down to Miami and going to a pool party and drinking and dancing to house music and being around beautiful people.
And that's exactly what I did.
tim pool
I didn't say that wouldn't happen.
jack murphy
I know, but like those are my normal habits.
tim pool
Right, right.
So people who used to go to the movies and haven't gone to the movies in over a year might go to a movie, but now HBO Max is publishing movies at the exact same time.
jack murphy
Are they really?
tim pool
Yep.
So when the movie comes out now, it's on streaming services already.
And guess what?
Friends have already formed movie night groups where they're like, Hey, it's Friday.
Let's do movie night.
Now a movie comes out and they're like, Oh, we can go see movie night.
Let's do movie night.
Let's watch the new movie.
They don't go to the theater anymore.
Habits are being changed completely.
So here's what I say.
You can't count on the government, man.
You can cross your fingers and hope it'll be there for you, but that's not a guarantee.
What people don't seem to understand on the left... I don't care if you call it government.
I don't care if you call it a non-profit.
I don't care if you call it a corporation.
It is an organization.
That's it.
And really, really big ones tend to suck.
Comcast?
Everybody complains about Comcast.
It's a monopoly in my area.
They don't answer their phones.
Great.
So why do you think the government being in charge of something is going to change that?
It's the same thing.
What's the difference?
Let me ask you this question.
You know what the only real difference, in my opinion, between... Let's say you live in an area where you have Comcast.
And then you have, you know, government, you know, provided service of some sort.
Like, you can only get your electricity or waste management is a government program.
What's the difference?
You pay a subscription fee.
You get the service.
You can complain.
Here's the thing about government I like better.
You have rights.
If you have a problem with government, you can escalate it to the authorities.
These private corporations like Facebook or Comcast can do whatever.
What are you going to do?
I'm suing them because they won't give me internet.
You can try.
Maybe there's a reason they might give you the internet, or they'll just be like, sorry, too bad, go home.
ian crossland
And you can vote the government people out of power if they do a poor job, so there's that incentive.
tim pool
So what I'm saying is, I think a private monopoly is worse than a public monopoly, but you need to understand the difference is very, very slim.
If you say the government should run this entire system right here, you're basically saying, I want Comcast taking care of my healthcare.
Nah, I don't know about all that.
But I'm actually in favor of a base-level coverage with private hospitals and private insurance.
So there's still some kind of universal care.
I've often talked about this.
Maybe what we really need is that the government acts as a referee or provides vouchers And that's it.
There's no government-run healthcare.
There's no government-run schools.
It's vouchers.
We all pay the taxes.
Then the government says, we make sure people don't go below a certain threshold.
People who are wealthier are going to naturally pay more because 10% of a million is way more than 10% of 100.
And that means poor people will get access by voucher to these programs.
ian crossland
But does that mean that taxpayers have to pay for the vouchers?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
So that's still lying in the pockets of these exorbitant prices of these private medical industry But now you've got, you've got competition.
tim pool
You simplify the system.
I'm not saying it's a perfect idea.
I'm saying it might be a way this, it might be a good solution, right?
Cause we've talked to, um, who's, who's the, uh, I'm forgetting the guy's name.
The, the, uh, D'Angelis, Corey D'Angelis.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
He's a great guy.
tim pool
But we've also talked about police choice, fire department choice, hospital choice.
I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
What if you got vouchers for specific services and then you had to choose who delivered those services?
You'd have market competition with a public guarantee.
jack murphy
Or we could just stop taxing everybody so much, let you have your money and then go
make your own decision.
tim pool
Right.
The problem with that is there are people who like, I don't like the idea.
Look, I'm a bit left in that regard.
I don't like, I don't like the idea that somebody works at McDonald's full time, 80 hours a
week, maybe double time and they can't go to the doctor.
So what happens is then you have extremely wealthy people.
You want to argue flat tax or progressive tax.
Fine.
The simple answer is, if some dude makes a million bucks and pays 10%, he's paying more than someone who makes a thousand bucks and is paying 10%.
He's paying more to taxes.
So that will help offset the costs only a little bit, to be completely honest.
And I am a fan of the progressive tax.
And I think then we have a base level so people aren't, you know, going medically bankrupt.
jack murphy
Charter schools is something I know a lot about.
I spent 10 years working in charter schools.
I was a executive director of a multiple different charter schools.
I was a top regulator at one of the most advanced charter school regulators in the country.
I know school choice.
It is a radical right wing public policy experiment because it is.
It's about solving what was a public issue with private entities.
Right.
So charter schools are privately owned, publicly funded.
And the same concept could apply to everything like you just said, police, fire, medical.
And what we've seen with charter schools is that they deliver per dollar better results, right?
Per on a per dollar basis.
And what we've seen in Washington, D.C.
is that about half of the students in D.C.
go to charter schools.
And what happened at the beginning is charter schools at first outperformed.
But now that it's actually half and half, they're actually performing relatively the same.
Right.
So that means that they're delivering the same product, but they do it with far less money.
Yeah, they do it with far less money.
They have far more.
They're far more nimble.
They can be shut down if they're terrible schools and they don't meet standards.
It's a really good system.
And the irony for me in working in that environment is that truly a radical right wing policy experiment implemented in D.C.
by Georgia senators in the 90s.
Right.
Republicans.
Completely staffed by radical left-wing social justice warriors that have no idea that they're participating in the deconstruction of the federal government that they so love and hold dear.
But I would love to see this thing, see it expanded.
But what happens though, you know, same arguments as they make about charter schools.
It's like, well, what happens when, you know, the rich people get all the good cops and the poor people get all the bad cops?
Are you rich?
People get all the good fire.
tim pool
Doctors are equal, bro.
jack murphy
The vouchers are equal.
tim pool
Yeah.
So when it comes to certain services, everybody has the same vouchers.
jack murphy
I see.
Oh, I see.
You're just like, I get fire service from this company.
I can just choose to go to this company or that company.
ian crossland
But they're local.
That's the problem is like if everybody in one area wants the good cops and they pay their vouchers to it, then all these people in different area also want the good cops and pay their vouchers.
tim pool
So then population density will lead to better, wealthier assistance.
jack murphy
So then a new police department will open up to serve that demand.
ian crossland
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
Yep.
It's an interesting idea.
I'd like to see it explored, you know, a little bit better.
I don't know.
jack murphy
Ain't gonna happen in this administration, my friend.
They hate school choice more than they hate, you know, Syrians.
tim pool
They like the teachers' vote.
They want those votes.
Well, I'll tell you this, my friends.
The excellent, the perfect opportunity to segue.
Ain't gonna be nothing for the teachers to teach.
We got this story from CBS this morning.
Experts sound the alarm on declining birth rates among younger generations.
Quote, It's a crisis.
Before I read this, I want to tell you guys a story.
You guys may be aware that I have a music video that I've produced.
It's called Will of the People.
jack murphy
I enjoy that song greatly.
tim pool
It is a song.
I made it.
And I decided to just run an ad.
That's just a snip of the song.
And then if people click it, they get brought to the full song.
Just to see how it performs and see if, like, there's a way to actually, you know, most people who do songs and entertainment have big marketing budgets.
I don't, but I was like, let's buy some Google Ads, see what happens.
So I go into Google Adsense, and I'm like, the people who will like this song are fans of, you know, rock music, like indie rock kind of stuff.
Probably, I think, people who aren't into news and politics.
Google gave me a demographic breakdown of the people on YouTube who watch news.
This was a crazy thing.
66% they say are men.
They are, most of them, the plurality are between the ages of 35 and 44.
And around, I think it's like 65 to 70% have no family.
That to me was crazy.
jack murphy
Wait, those are the people that bought your song?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
jack murphy
These are just the people that are more interested in politics?
tim pool
Yes.
So Google basically told me that the people who are interested in politics on YouTube tend to be 35 to 44 with no family.
ian crossland
Makes sense.
If you have a family, you focus on the family less so than on the surrounding.
Definitely.
jack murphy
You have far less time for news and media consumption.
I have three kids.
When I had two kids under two, There is a gap in my cultural understanding of the world that started around 2006.
It goes to about 2009.
People ask me when I started dating after my divorce, have you seen this movie?
Do you hear this song?
Do you do this thing?
What are you talking about?
tim pool
I was sleeping.
jack murphy
I have no idea what you're talking about.
You just have no time to consume anything.
tim pool
Well, so this is interesting because I saw that and I was just surprised at how many dudes don't have families.
I'm going to be 35 in a week.
I don't got any kids.
So we have this story from CBS.
They say, So this is actually, that sounds like good news.
boom that some doctors expected was actually a baby bust.
So this is actually, that sounds like good news.
Health departments in more than two dozen states provided records to CBS News showing
a 7% drop, wait what?
In births in December, nine months after the first lockdowns began.
Researchers say it continues a much bigger plunge in fertility in recent decades.
The number of babies the average woman in the U.S.
is expected to deliver has dropped from nearly four in the 1950s to less than two today.
The drop could present an entirely different risk to society than one that was first warned about decades ago, when an apocalyptic fear gripped America in the 60s and 70s.
The stakes in this battle are far greater than any other we've ever fought, Walter Cronkite said in a 1970 CBS News broadcast.
The experts we interviewed told us population was the fundamental crisis.
As the world stampeded towards 10 billion people, many researchers back then predicted that overpopulation would ruin humanity.
Biologist Paul Ehrlich once explained the threat as the population bomb, saying, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, That's an interesting question.
jack murphy
What policies did they enact?
Anti-natalist policies.
Oh, it's called feminism.
Hello, by the way.
tim pool
No, I mean, look, look, that's a conspiracy theory.
There's no push between celebrities and prominent talk shows to tell women to abort their babies.
jack murphy
Or go for your career.
You don't need that, man.
By the time you're 35, you'll be fine.
You'll find a guy then.
Don't worry about it.
tim pool
Yeah, seems like they're complaining about it now.
unidentified
Oops.
tim pool
Meyers set a decline.
This is a crisis.
We need to have enough working age people to carry the load of these seniors who deserve their retirement.
They deserve all their entitlements and they're going to live out another 30 years.
Nobody in the history of the globe has had so many older people to deal with.
jack murphy
I would be interested to see what other research that guy works on.
I would bet a million dollars that either he or his friends are also pro open borders and interested in bringing in all kinds of immigrant labor as well.
tim pool
Because of the declining population.
jack murphy
Yes, because of the declining population.
ian crossland
So you're saying have babies so that they can become slaves to the older generation?
jack murphy
Yes, exactly right.
No, that's exactly right.
To pay for the debts that have been promised to the baby boomers.
That's exactly right.
ian crossland
I'm not annoyed.
tim pool
Do you have parents?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
When they're sick, will you help them?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So you're a slave to the older people?
ian crossland
I'm a slave to the system.
tim pool
You're a slave to these elderly folks?
Oh, come on.
All these millennials who don't have kids, it is going to be brutal for them when
they're, you know, sitting there in their seventies and there's no one take care of
ian crossland
them.
tim pool
Who's gonna take care of them?
jack murphy
A robot?
tim pool
The government's going to hire someone to do it?
Maybe.
jack murphy
I used to call this the crazy Aunt Margaret phenomenon.
The crazy Aunt Margaret phenomenon is going to be the end of feminism.
And it's going to happen in about 10 to 15 years when all these women in their 20s and 30s who have heard the, you go girl, get your career, forget about your man, all this stuff.
When they get to be 45 and 50 and they're sitting around and they're like, wait, what did I do?
Why did I do that?
We're going to have a nation of crazy Aunt Margarets.
And then the women behind them will observe and be like, yo, I ain't going to be like Crazy Ann Margaret.
tim pool
And you know what the guys are going to do at 45 and 50?
They're going to be riding around in their red convertible with their high-paying job and tons of disposable income.
And they're going to be like, hey, young 30-year-old woman, want to cruise up to that infinity pool at the, you know, the penthouse suite?
I got all the money!
And he makes it rain.
And then the younger women are going to be like, this is going to be great.
But like you mentioned, they're going to see the Crazy Ann Margarets.
Then they're gonna see these more powerful, high-status, successful men.
And a lot of women are gonna be like, this 50-year-old guy... I mean, you look at movie stars.
Like Leonardo DiCaprio, for instance.
He's always dating these young women.
Why would Leo date a 50-year-old woman?
He's gonna date these young women.
I'm not saying it's good or bad.
I'm just saying that's what they do.
jack murphy
The burgeoning crypto class of men.
Come on, let's face it.
It's mostly men who dabbled in crypto in 2011 and 12, maybe bought a thousand women, 80 bucks, whatever.
Those are the guys that are going to be running harems in 15 years, because eventually all the women between the ages of 18 and 50 are going to be competing for like the same group of men.
Disaster is coming in this perspective.
Disaster.
ian crossland
I used to hear these numbers like overpopulation.
I mean, I was brainwashed with that growing up.
I thought for sure we're overpopulated.
There's no rush to have four kids anymore.
jack murphy
It was in the same article, the same Time Magazine that had the great freeze, the new Ice Age articles in it.
ian crossland
But now I'm thinking, if you have a kid that you can teach, that might be the kid that solves the problem and can reorganize Earth to host 80 billion people easily.
tim pool
Did your parents think that you would be having these conversations on a show about, like, computer code and the Federal Reserve?
If they didn't have a kid who was Ian Crosland, the conversation wouldn't happen on this show.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
If you raise your kids right, they can be the savior.
It's not, not incentive to have, well, I don't know, maybe it is an incentive to have a kid.
tim pool
You know, sometimes, uh, your kids turn out to be, I don't know, crackheads.
Oh, it's possible.
ian crossland
Sometimes crackheads are cool.
jack murphy
I'm trying to think back to that statement that this guy made in an article, which was very disturbing.
We what was it? We were too successful.
unidentified
We right. We did it like like the efforts that we.
tim pool
Yeah, we went too far.
jack murphy
We went too far in disincentivizing fertility.
That's a terrifying statement.
Actually, what what did they do?
What are the different things that they do?
Like feminism, abortion, the de-socialization of the family, the deconstruction of the family unit, Black Lives Matter, deconstructing the family union or family unit, et cetera.
tim pool
You know, it's really funny.
There was a poll.
jack murphy
Oh, no, no fault divorce.
tim pool
There was a poll that was posted by Matthew Iglesias we brought up, I think, last week.
jack murphy
I was going to mention him, actually.
tim pool
He says, he's like, I'm going to break the entire discourse.
And it was married men, working married men, and their opinion on who should, you know, two parents versus one parent versus childcare.
And what it found was that everybody has a bias for exactly what they're doing.
So that means if a woman is working, she thinks women should be working and childcare should take care of the kid.
jack murphy
Of course.
tim pool
If the man is working and he's married and the wife is watching the kids, the man thinks the husband should work, the wife thinks the mother should raise the kids.
And that's why they chose to do it, right?
So this is what's really interesting.
Because whenever I have these conversations, I've seen a lot, I've never, I've not heard from women who are mothers about, you know, writing articles about why women shouldn't be in the workplace or why they would be happier with kids.
And the reason is they're not.
So it's an interesting predicament.
For the women who like being stay-at-home mothers, they don't have the career status and power to write these articles unless someone opens the door for them.
Whereas the prominent journalist class or activist feminist class, they're the ones writing for all these blogs.
So the only thing you're going to hear is their perspective.
jack murphy
Jessica Valenti.
tim pool
Right, right.
She was the lazy lady who wrote that article where she was like, catcalling is offensive.
And then a year later, she's like, I'm sad no one catcalls me.
Uh-huh.
jack murphy
How it started.
How's it going?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Here's the funny thing.
This is the one subject that really triggers people.
I love mentioning this because invariably they're going to like clip this and make videos about it.
And they're going to say Intel and all that other dumb stuff.
I don't care, dude.
I'm successful.
I'm having a good time.
And we got to talk about this.
The question is, according to Gallup, it was like, do you think women should be working or whatever?
And 56% of women said they would rather have a career than be a stay-at-home mom.
But that means 44% of women told Gallup, despite everything you might hear in the press, They would rather be stay-at-home moms.
That's close to 50-50.
And I think those women who have careers and all that, I'm stoked.
You know, more power to you.
That's awesome.
I'm glad you found happiness.
But that also means there's a lot of women who don't want to do that.
And those are the ones I think aren't being represented properly in the media because they're not working.
You know what I mean?
They're not in these careers and these jobs.
jack murphy
They shouldn't pull women.
They should pull their children.
What do you think?
Would you rather your mom be at work all day or at home taking care of you?
tim pool
Would you rather your dad be at home, you know, playing ball and going to the park with the dog or at work?
jack murphy
If you had to choose, one of your parents has to go to work.
tim pool
It's gotta be dad.
ian crossland
Oh, my mom for sure.
jack murphy
Why do you think the kid's gonna say- We all know they're gonna pick mom.
tim pool
Why do you think so?
jack murphy
Because mom care takes.
Mom takes care.
Mom makes the peanut butter and the guns.
ian crossland
I wanted my mom out of the house because she was the slave driver.
jack murphy
When you were seven?
ian crossland
Yeah, she was the mean one.
She was the lawyer and my dad was the fun.
jack murphy
Well, she's a lawyer.
ian crossland
No, she was like the lawyer of the house.
tim pool
I think what you're missing is that If mom is the caretaker, then the kid is used to mom being there and he's feeling bad.
He doesn't see dad enough.
So when asked, he'll say, I want to see dad more.
ian crossland
Get it?
tim pool
He sees mom all the time.
And you may be right about the mom taking care of the kid, but it's also more, more proximity.
Mom means more stern attitude from mom as well.
jack murphy
Kids, we're going to take one of your parents away.
Which one do you want it to be?
ian crossland
You're right, because my mom was stern, but probably only because she was around all the time.
tim pool
She had to be.
We're going to go back in time.
We're going to pull up this next article because I'm willing to trigger the internet once again.
This is a story I covered from the New York Post.
Women are struggling to find men who make as much money as they do.
And I gave a very simple hypothesis.
And people did not like it because it was an offensive hypothesis.
I don't care.
The hypothesis goes as such.
If there is a 30-year-old woman who's working a job, and she makes $75K a year, and there is a 30-year-old man who works a similar job and makes $75K a year, the woman looks at the guy and says, that's my peer, that's who I want to be with, or someone who makes more money.
But that guy who's 30, making $75K a year, is not looking at a 30-year-old woman.
He's looking at a 22-year-old woman.
OkCupid data showed us this.
That no matter what age the guy was, he would message 22-year-old women.
Guilty as charged.
Of course.
unidentified
Hello.
jack murphy
Except for me, the number is 24.
ian crossland
No, my age range is like 21 to 45.
I'm not a fan.
tim pool
I'm not a fan.
That's not for me.
jack murphy
Of 24-year-old girls?
tim pool
I'm not.
I mean, the idea of like, I guess, hooking up with a 22-year-old, sure, I get.
But, and when I'm talking about a legitimate relationship where you actually want to have a life companion, have a family, I think it's absurd to be a 35-year-old man reaching out to 22-year-olds.
ian crossland
Yeah, she'd have to be really evolved.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why I said 22, no, 24.
But even 24?
lydia smith
26 is the best.
jack murphy
I've had three significant relationships in my life, and each one of them began with a girl who was 24.
When I was 24, when I was 30, when I was 40.
tim pool
Let me read this.
The New York Post writes, The country is facing a crisis of broke dudes, according to new research from Cornell University, and it's left successful ladies single and disgruntled.
I wonder if they misunderstood the data.
When they ask women, are you finding men your age who have money?
I think the issue is it's not so much that the dudes are broke, but that even if a guy is 30 and he's making 25k less than the woman, he's not going to choose a woman who's 30.
jack murphy
No, the problem is that women are making too much money.
tim pool
How's that a problem?
jack murphy
Because it's ruined evolution.
It's ruined everything that is built into a woman's brain.
A woman wants to marry a guy who's lateral or above.
And if a woman makes so much money, it reduces her pool of available men.
The fault of there not being enough men is the fact that women make too much money.
Boom.
Done.
tim pool
End of story.
jack murphy
They're getting what they've asked for.
tim pool
Ha ha ha.
jack murphy
Live in that.
By the way, I've got a young girl at home myself.
unidentified
Boom.
ian crossland
Get rich.
tim pool
I don't know if I agree with that.
jack murphy
I agree that it changes.
It's all about a dynamic.
If the girls were making $35,000 a year and that same guy was still making $70,000 a year, she'd be like, there's men, there's just eligible men all over the place.
But now she's making the same as the guy and she's like, I don't want him.
tim pool
But I don't think that's absolute.
I think if there was a guy making 50k a year and a woman was making 150, he'd be like, this is great.
Like, we're gonna have tons of money.
jack murphy
Actually, Pew has done a number of studies on this very thing, and women say that they want to date a man and marry a man that makes more money than them.
tim pool
But everybody wants to marry up.
jack murphy
No!
I don't want to marry up!
Why would I want to marry a woman that makes more money and works harder than I do and spends more time out of the house?
tim pool
I didn't say that.
I didn't say that.
I said marry up.
jack murphy
How are we calculating up?
tim pool
Do you want to marry, like, a woman who sleeps in the gutter?
ian crossland
So it doesn't have to be money.
jack murphy
It's like, if she had a heart of gold and was willing to take care of my house and was kind of hot and good with kids, I don't care what she does, as long as she's going to stop doing that.
And she's going to start taking care of the family.
unidentified
Wow.
jack murphy
Truth.
True story.
True story.
tim pool
This is a societal difference.
jack murphy
No, actually this is evolution.
This is me as a man, speaking to women as women.
This is not, this is not crazy things.
Go ahead.
lydia smith
I think that Jack is correct.
unidentified
I believe that this is what is known as hypergamy.
lydia smith
So I have read that men become more depressed when their spouses make more money than they do.
jack murphy
Of course they do because men thrive on status.
lydia smith
This is not a case of just having a bunch of money.
This is very much about who earns the money and for guys it is very important to make more money than their spouse.
And I know I'm not going to say that's materialistic.
I'm just going to say that's the way that it is.
And this is the data that I've read.
This depresses men to make less of their spouses.
This increase the risk of divorce.
jack murphy
Yes.
lydia smith
Like it's actually a problem for guys.
jack murphy
Look, men are hardwired to build, create, provide and protect.
And if you take away the things that we do, then people are going to feel terrible.
This this this I'm glad you brought this up.
I've been writing and thinking about these issues for 10 years, man.
And I just spent two hours on Benjamin Boyce's channel ranting about this stuff in my most lucid state.
As a matter of fact, please check it out.
I was on a roll talking about this.
This is the chickens coming home to roost in one hundred and forty eight out of one hundred and fifty of the top metropolitan areas in the in America.
Entry level women make more money than their entry level counterpart males.
lydia smith
Right.
jack murphy
And they're unhappy about it.
They've all been herded into college, saddled with debt.
They get good jobs.
They look around.
The men are just the same as them.
There's nothing exciting about that.
There's no hopeful future in that.
There's no, this guy's going to build, create, protect, and provide for me.
I can already build, create, protect, and provide for myself, says the woman.
And that's why, Tim, I think you're off on this.
I think that the natural age difference builds in.
This dynamic where a man and a woman could be just as smart, just as interested in the world, just as capable.
But by virtue of the age difference, the man is more established.
The woman is less established.
You have that status difference.
The man can provide and protect.
The woman can nurture and love and caretake.
And people are happier that way.
I strongly recommend men don't get married until you're 35 until your career is established.
You got your money and then definitely look for a woman who's about 10 years younger than you.
That is 100% my advice.
tim pool
What was the Pew Research you're talking about?
Because I'm trying to find it.
jack murphy
Pew Research.
Consistent studies that show women prefer to marry a man that makes either as much money as them or more.
lydia smith
Or more.
jack murphy
Or more.
Never less.
Never less.
I cannot... I will find it for you.
I will find it for you.
tim pool
I can find, though, this study from 2017.
Americans see men as the financial providers, even as women's contributions grow.
Even as women are starting to make more and more salaries, men are still viewed as the breadwinners.
jack murphy
As they should be.
That's the way we're designed.
That's why we have testosterone.
That's why we have big muscles.
That's why we could smash things.
That's why women are soft and sweet and they like to cuddle things and they feed them from their breasts because they literally give other humans life.
That's how we're designed.
It's what our hormones do.
tim pool
Oh, this is crazy.
jack murphy
I can't believe we're getting into this on this show.
tim pool
Jack Murphy, what are you doing?
We're going to get in so much trouble.
lydia smith
Let's do it.
tim pool
From Market Watch, May 27, 2019, this one thing in your marriage increases the risk of divorce by 33%.
jack murphy
Women making more money than men?
tim pool
Dude, tell us!
That's the image.
The financial gender balance within marriage seems to be changing at a faster pace.
They say, it could be a race to the finish in more ways than one.
When wives earn more than their husbands, some men just can't handle it.
lydia smith
That's what's up!
jack murphy
Neither can the women!
lydia smith
Nobody can.
unidentified
Nobody likes it.
jack murphy
Only Jessica Valenti out there gets off on making more money than her husband.
Only Jessica Valenti gets off on there thinking that her husband is at home.
He's so sexy.
He's so powerful and masculine.
He cut the crust off the kids sandwiches and he wears his slippers
and his health robe all day.
Only Jessica Valenti thinks like that.
tim pool
I've I've I've seen.
jack murphy
And if they don't, I'm sorry.
And if the women give lip service to this notion, they're lying.
ian crossland
Well, I wonder if it's about money or because I know, because I don't know if it's about money.
Like it's about status and power, status and power.
Cause if a guy becomes the president, he doesn't make a lot of money, but he's super powerful.
And women love that.
jack murphy
It's about power and status.
And there's no faulting women for this.
Women historically do not have physical power.
The way that women have physical powers by proxy.
We are the neck that turns by making men do things for them using cunning, guile, beauty, caretaking, nurturing and delivering children.
Men are proxy power for women.
This is this is the way you survive in the caves in the wilderness.
They can't go around beating up the bears, and they can't go around beating up the hostile groups that are gonna take us over.
So you gotta get a man to do it for you.
How do you get a man to do it for you?
You look cute, you look pretty, you take care of shit.
tim pool
Here's what they say.
They say the risk of divorce is nearly 33% higher when a husband isn't working full-time, according to Money, Work, and Marital Stability Assessing Change in the Gender Determinants of Divorce, a 2016 study of more than 6,300 couples by Alexandra Kilowald, Professor of Sociology at Harvard University.
Quote, for marriages formed after 1975, husband's lack of full-time employment is associated with
higher risk of divorce. Expectations of wives' homemaking may have eroded, but the husband
breadwinner norm persists. The apparent disconnect may be due to peer pressure or attitudes passed
down from parents.
jack murphy
Another theory?
tim pool
A persistent glass ceiling for women at work may encourage men to believe they should also be the highest earners at home.
One thing they never talk about, though, is there's always an excuse, but it's always the man's fault.
jack murphy
Of course it is, because everything is the man's fault, period.
ian crossland
This sounds like it's like a lack of purpose issue.
If someone doesn't have a full-time job, maybe they're missing purpose in their life and they become much less attractive.
jack murphy
That is a separate issue.
But yes, you're exactly right.
People don't have a mission or a purpose or an expression of values that's unrelated to their source of income.
And people have terrible, horrible lives when their values and their mission and their purpose aren't aligned with the things that they have to do to earn money.
ian crossland
I would even like to see independently wealthy people that inherit a bunch of money that don't have jobs and see their rates of success in marriage.
Cause I think that would be low also.
If you don't have something that you love outside of yourself.
jack murphy
Those two things aren't necessarily the case.
You can be born with a lot of money and have passions, you know, building no meat or vaccines or whatever.
ian crossland
It's not that women or men seek money in their partner.
It's that they seek drive, ambition, status, and power or potential for it.
jack murphy
No, what they seek is differential power.
That's what they both parties seek.
ian crossland
What do you mean by that?
jack murphy
Because you can be a broke-ass dude and find a woman that looks up to you because she's a broker.
Right?
ian crossland
A relative power?
jack murphy
Yes, it's about relative power.
It's about relative power and relative status.
A woman that doesn't have a job, doesn't have a career, doesn't have any education latches onto a guy that's got a minimum wage job and has a room in a house somewhere.
Well, she's moving up in the world.
Right.
It's all about relative power.
And that's why the more OK, look, more women graduate high school, more women apply to go to college, more women graduate college, more women get hired out of school for jobs.
Women make more money than men coming out of school.
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
Women live longer, are healthier, have less alcoholism, drug use, suicide.
And at the end of the day, they control more wealth when they die.
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
Okay.
Interesting.
And all these things are pushing and they're happening.
They're happening.
And at the same time, women's satisfaction in life has gone down.
Marriage rates have gone down.
Divorce rates are going down, but less so than with the marriage rate.
So more people are getting divorced.
Fertility is down.
Childbirth is down.
Happiness is down.
unidentified
Why?
jack murphy
It's not because we live in a world that's like horrible, terrible place.
We live in a world of abundance.
We have everything that we want.
This is the greatest time to be alive.
Hold on, finish this thought.
It's the greatest time to be alive, but these women are miserable because they make more money, they're more educated, they have more power than they really want, and the pool of men available to them diminishes with each step that they take up the ladder.
It is a self-defeating cycle that we can all observe on the outside.
And man, I'm so glad we're talking about this.
I've been writing about this for 10 years.
tim pool
I'll make it simple.
It doesn't matter if it's the men's fault. They want to write these studies and they say men
can't handle that women make more money than them. It's like, okay, well that just means that women
still can't date the men. You can blame the men for it, but if a woman wants to date a man and
she wants to find a good man and men don't like this because you think they can't handle it,
well then make a choice. Do you want to date them or do you want to adhere to what the man wants?
So it's like when you're in a relationship, you don't just dictate the relationship.
You don't say, you are dating me now!
That's it.
No, every relationship is, are we providing something to each other in some capacity that makes us feel fulfilled that relationship will work.
If this story from the New York Post says that these women can't find men who make as much money as them, and then this other study says men can't handle it, well then it sounds like... It sounds like both parties are dissatisfied, bro.
By all means, say the men are losers who can't handle it.
Okay, that still means the woman doesn't get a date.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
So there we go.
It's an impasse.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Well, it's every, the system is flawed.
We, we have just continued, we've just decided to just, and this is feminism.
This is so critical race theory.
This is SJW.
This is the whole thing about the radical left.
We have obliterated the differences between men and women in our minds and in our discourse, but you can't erase the biological evolutionary differences that are built into us over millions of years.
tim pool
But, but social influences as well.
ian crossland
That's big time, because when you remove the incentive to do better to people, then they strive less to do better.
I've done my best work, for the most part, when I didn't have enough, and I needed to get more.
I was seeking that power.
Once I get the power, I find that there's this tendency to sit on my laurels, to rest back, and be like, now I have it.
jack murphy
You gotta work on that, bro.
ian crossland
Right, so I have to create this outside, invisible enemy that I need to overcome, basically.
I love Peterson's work.
He talks a lot about this stuff.
I keep thinking about him when we're talking about this.
You know, this whole social structure where you have enough, you have everything.
Government's going to take care of you.
I think it's killing incentive for people to do better.
jack murphy
I also think that you insult and demean the maturity and capabilities of 24 or 5 year old women.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's no reason in the world a mature, established 35 year old man cannot have a healthy, productive, fruitful relationship with a woman 10 years younger than him.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
jack murphy
I just think... You just said they were immature and they shouldn't be matched up.
unidentified
22.
tim pool
Okay.
jack murphy
22, 23, 24.
unidentified
Look, they're a ten-year-old to go to college.
jack murphy
Women mature way more quickly than men, dude.
Way more quickly.
tim pool
It's preference.
unidentified
It's their own.
jack murphy
At age 15, women, they're basically women already.
Right?
And it's like men hit their prime in their 30s.
unidentified
35.
jack murphy
Why wouldn't a man in his prime latch on to a woman in her prime?
Why not?
That seems the most logical thing possible.
ian crossland
That's what's happened for millennia.
jack murphy
For millennia.
ian crossland
Older men would marry like 15 year olds.
jack murphy
And the societal shame around dating a younger woman is just jealousy.
It's jealousy because, as you said, every man in the world wants to date a 22-year-old woman.
tim pool
According to OkCupid data.
jack murphy
According to OkCupid, your own two eyes, all of history, every piece of literature, every book you ever saw.
tim pool
But I'm citing this on purpose because it's not your opinion.
OkCupid actually tracked all the messages and they found no matter how old a guy was from even younger guys.
jack murphy
Why do you think that is?
tim pool
Always mentioning 22-year-olds.
jack murphy
Why do you think that is?
tim pool
For, I think, biological reasons.
jack murphy
Right, exactly right.
tim pool
And what OkCupid found was that, very disgustingly in my opinion, men are actually attracted to women much, much,
much younger than that, but would not want to have a family with someone younger than that.
So men choose 22 as the equilibrium between mental and physical maturity.
jack murphy
Why is that disgusting? There's nothing wrong with little kids.
Of course, dude.
tim pool
That's hyperbolic on my part.
jack murphy
But there's literally nothing wrong with seeing a woman of fertile age and thinking she is an attractive sexual partner.
But like acting on that with an 18 year old woman is a completely different story.
But there's nothing wrong with seeing an 18 year old girl woman and being like, Oh, she's attractive.
Of course she is!
She's in the prime of her beauty!
tim pool
I'm not talking about 18.
OkCupidData said men want women younger than that.
And that I find creepy.
jack murphy
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
Society has rules.
jack murphy
It is creepy today, but guess what?
It wasn't creepy until just recently.
tim pool
I don't know.
jack murphy
All of humanity, all of history, all of time.
tim pool
I still think it was creepy.
I think a lot of past cultures did a lot of really creepy, gross stuff.
jack murphy
Yeah, of course.
And of course, I'm not advocating for guys in their 30s dating anyone under 22.
But I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a relationship with a woman who's in her early 20s if you're in your 30s.
Well, that's absolutely reasonable.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
And here we go.
We're going to have what we'll do a bonus segment.
Yeah, you're on for that, right?
jack murphy
Yeah, man, I'm on for it.
tim pool
It won't be it won't be too long, though, but I'm up for it.
jack murphy
I got to go.
Plus, I got a guy home.
I got a 14 year old woman, a woman 14 years younger than me at home waiting for me.
tim pool
Smash the like button, my friends, and check out TimCast.com because I think it's gonna get spicy.
Jack's gonna go off on this huge rant about manliness and stuff, so we'll carry that conversation over.
But subscribe, hit the notification bell, share this podcast if you really do like it because that's what helps podcasts grow.
I keep hearing it from all these, you know, bigwigs.
They're like, if you want to make your podcast big, people who listen to podcasts are the ones who tell people to listen to podcasts.
That's what you have to do.
And I'm like, okay, I guess that's the secret.
So if you want to help out.
Let's see what we got here.
LMV188 says, Love the show.
Do you think the Dems will evoke the 25th on Biden?
Or is it more likely he will die in office?
ian crossland
More like they evoke the 25th.
lydia smith
You think so?
ian crossland
I don't know if that they will, but I think it's more likely than him dying.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
jack murphy
I think life expectancies tell us that Biden's going to die pretty soon.
ian crossland
Although, if you think about it, this study of all this life extension technology out of Harvard that they're working on, nicotinamide, mononucleotide, resveratrol, berberine, things like that.
tim pool
Yeah, Aubrey de Grey, he said this like a decade ago.
That 10 years ago, he said, someone who's 45 today will live to be 1,000.
ian crossland
And it was also tying into what we were just talking about you, Jack.
jack murphy
I'm going to be 1,000?
tim pool
No!
How old were you 10 years ago?
jack murphy
Oh, 35.
So I'm even better.
I'm golden.
tim pool
And what he said was, he's one of the most prominent senescence researchers.
He said, it's not because we're going to invent immortality.
It's because the things that kill people are being cured.
People don't die of old age.
They die of renal failure or heart failure or something like that.
But as people are aging right now, medical technology is advancing faster than people are dying.
So that's what he said 10 years ago.
ian crossland
We'll see if he's proven right.
It's tying into the conversation we were just having about age, dating people, and fertility rates.
Because I think women will stay fertile much longer in this society.
And that 60, 70, 80-year-old women will be able to have babies.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Yeah, it looks like it.
That's what the data is tending towards.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
All right, we gotta go in here.
Josh says, love the show, Tim.
Been listening to you for about a year.
Are you still interested?
Are you still taking guest recommendations?
No, we never take recommendations, mind you.
Would love to see Nicole Arbor on your show.
Smart lady and kick-ass comedy.
Bless!
That's actually gonna be happening.
unidentified
Yes, it is!
tim pool
At some point.
So, I think she's great.
I think she's hilarious.
lydia smith
She's great.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Let me know if you need a sit-in on that.
tim pool
Quetra is having issues logging in.
If you're having issues, just email members at timcast.com, and we will help you get into the site.
And for any other email, there's info at timcast.com.
So yes.
Brendan says, get Tom McDonough on the podcast.
My friends, there are like 50 people that we've reached out to that are like, yes, we want to come on the show, and they're in Canada.
You can't do it.
lydia smith
Or they're concerned about the COVID.
tim pool
Justin, well, I mean, that's mostly lefties, but Justin Trudeau in Canada, he's like, he's sitting there at the border.
He's like, you know, looking around waiting for any of these, any of these people to try and cross over to the States.
And then he runs over and he grabs them and then they lock them in a COVID hotel.
ian crossland
He wants to come on the show too.
We've been trying to get him on the show.
I would love that Trudeau on the show.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, but that's never going to happen.
lydia smith
I want to see his socks.
tim pool
Trudeau, let's have some legitimate questions thrown at you in a two-hour sit-down where you can't leave.
Like, why?
ian crossland
Talk about COVID, man.
tim pool
For the first time in the guy's life, you'd have to tell the truth.
ian crossland
That'd be awesome.
lydia smith
You'd never do that.
tim pool
People don't want to sit in the hot seat.
ian crossland
He's an entertainer, you might.
tim pool
Oh, that's interesting.
Beautiful Bliss says, what's the counter argument for Democrats for declining birth rates?
I wonder.
Hi, Lydia.
I don't know.
lydia smith
Probably say it's a good thing.
tim pool
All right, let's jump down.
What is this?
Rant-O-Matic says Trump to Biden voters.
Are you sorry yet?
Del Men says, Hello Beanie Compound!
Great news!
Minnesota government has rescinded their decision to spend taxpayer money on influencers for the Derek Chauvin trial.
What?
lydia smith
How nice of them!
tim pool
Because Minnesota doesn't trust the government to do the right thing.
What does that mean?
Influencers?
lydia smith
Yeah, they were gonna pay influencers to, like, influence people about the Chauvin trial.
unidentified
Whoa.
Whoa.
tim pool
Yeah, you didn't... I didn't know that.
ian crossland
That's a story.
tim pool
Yeah, that's creepy.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
I'm shocked you did not see that.
tim pool
Northern Blue Collar says, hello from Maine.
Keep up the great reporting.
I love listening to y'all while I work.
And we love getting your money in Super Chats.
It makes it all worth it.
ian crossland
Thanks, man.
tim pool
We got a new show coming.
I heard.
Cults, Crime, Mystery, Paranormal.
jack murphy
I heard.
tim pool
It's going to be more like a legit show.
Like we'll do like 13 episodes.
We'll record them on the weekends and then we'll just like release them out.
So it'll be not the same as like a topical news show.
jack murphy
Evergreen.
tim pool
Evergreen Entertainment.
jack murphy
Guests from cults and like Alien civilizations redux.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'm hoping we can get like a legit murderer, like from prison.
No joke.
ian crossland
Like, yeah, that'd be awesome.
lydia smith
I will not be here that day.
tim pool
Not in the, they're going to be in prison.
unidentified
And so we'll record a conversation and we'll do... You're going to send Cassie in there.
tim pool
I don't know, it's up to her.
But, uh, the paranormal stuff I'm really excited for, because I've wanted to do this for a while.
jack murphy
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
I want to get, like, a legit researcher who's like, you know, I work at this university, we track this stuff, here's what we think.
And then, it's gonna be great, we're gonna do sound effects and creepy stuff.
ian crossland
Dude, the cult stuff is fascinating.
Just the mind of a cult member, or reformed cult member, I love that stuff.
Especially with the age of cult personality.
tim pool
Well, there's also some people who deny they're in a cult.
There's like reports of like, here's a cult and the people are like, it's not a cult.
And so I'm really into having those conversations.
jack murphy
I mean, who gets to decide if it's a cult or not?
tim pool
I don't know the size of the cult.
jack murphy
I don't know, man.
I mean, I've been watching.
So I watched the NXIVM series and I watched Wild Wild Country.
tim pool
What's Wild Wild Country about?
jack murphy
Oh, that's about that Indian guy and his right hand woman who took over a town in Oregon or Washington.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And you know, it's like, what's a cult?
Could they leave?
The NXIVM people couldn't leave.
tim pool
They couldn't leave?
jack murphy
No, they couldn't leave because they gave up collateral on themselves, like pictures of them cheating on their husband or whatever.
Plus they got branded and all these things.
And then when they tried to leave, they wouldn't let them.
But the Wild Wild Country people, they said it was a cult, but like no one was forcing them to be.
tim pool
But did you, did you see what Nikki Klein said?
jack murphy
I don't know who that is.
tim pool
She was someone.
She was one of the members of the DOS.
They call it the DOS.
jack murphy
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
She's denied all of that.
She said it's not true.
She said the media was lying about everything.
It was sensational headlines.
jack murphy
I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, I watched the NXIVM thing and it was about three episodes.
tim pool
I'm not saying she's right.
jack murphy
I was about three episodes in and I was like, I haven't seen anything.
I haven't seen anything wrong here yet.
ian crossland
With NXIVM?
jack murphy
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
jack murphy
Yeah.
I thought that was like a sex cult.
Well, that's how it was portrayed.
tim pool
Well, so I'm saying the media has reported it as a cult.
Nikki Klein, who I actually have met, because I was at, I think I met her, I'm not sure where, I met some people from Nixxiom at CPAC.
And then I think they introduced me to Nikki Klein.
And this was back when I was in a really old podcast, and we were going to do a podcast.
We ended up not actually using it, because that's when the news was breaking about the cult and all that stuff.
So I wonder if we still have some of that stuff.
But I'd be interested in talking to her, like, you say it's not a cult.
unidentified
I mean, what is a cult, though?
jack murphy
A cult is somebody looking in from the outside and not being able to understand the motivations of the people staying on the inside.
People call things a cult because they don't understand.
ian crossland
You can say Christianity is a cult.
jack murphy
People have said it.
tim pool
That's why I said the size.
Well, let's read some more Super Chats, though.
Northern Blue Collar says, I love the debates you and Ian have.
ian crossland
Me too.
tim pool
And then Brian says, free the code is the stupidest thing ever and only a vile socialist
who doesn't code would say something like that.
Something that ignorant, code is work.
ian crossland
I would say, to explain a little bit of that.
I don't want to free all the software code in the world.
I think that's it would be bad.
But when a when a social network, which is a unique business that we're now dealing with in life, reaches 100 million users a month or something, that it becomes part of the commons.
And then I believe we have the right as sovereign citizens to take control of that commons and protect the commons and do that by freeing that software code.
tim pool
Alright, I gotta read this one.
Bobby Bob says, I want Jack to hold me lovingly, rub his beard on my face, and gently whisper freedom in my ear.
Pasta must be involved.
His choice.
jack murphy
And freedom in Fusilli.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
Okay.
Sounds good.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
The Civic Nationalist says, the Pilgrims fled because Great Britain wasn't religious enough.
The U.S.
was made by terrorists and you still paid for the goods destroyed.
The U.S.
is a failed state.
There were more loyalists in the colonies.
Stop talking about this.
You are not able to.
God save the Queen.
So it's not true that there were more loyalists.
That's just British propaganda from British nationalists.
But it is true that it was only a plurality that wanted independence.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
So, there was a vote.
Like, the sentiment among the colony was like, you know, 38% says independence, and then like, you know, 28% said loyalty, and the rest said, shut up and leave me alone.
And it was the shut up and leave me alone people that basically, you know, if any one of them were just like, okay, we'll stay with Great Britain, then we would have not have had independence.
It wouldn't have happened.
But they essentially abstained, so.
unidentified
All right, let's see.
jack murphy
Would we have the Federal Reserve if we would have stayed with Great Britain?
ian crossland
Yeah, but it would have been called the Bank of England.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Snap Crackle Pop says, Tim, remember the reason the dollar menu is now called the value menu is because of inflation and Democrat politics.
Sparky the Pyro says, boy, am I glad.
I'm glad I know how to grow food and hunt with these food prices.
Need me some chickens and a couple of goats.
Well, we were considering goats, but they scream.
ian crossland
Yeah, they bleat.
tim pool
They just yell.
And so nobody wants to wake up to screaming goats.
We're going to get chickens.
I want to get roosters.
lydia smith
Roosters scream too loud.
tim pool
Like, you know what?
jack murphy
You know, I realized what are you going to do with a rooster, bro?
tim pool
The roosters protect the chickens.
Oh, you let them walk around.
jack murphy
You got to have a chicken coop around here.
tim pool
I have.
I bought a big, massive chicken.
jack murphy
You got predators.
What are you going to do with a rooster?
You need hens and broilers.
tim pool
That's what you need.
So we bought a bunch of chicken coops.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
We're going to get a bunch of chickens.
jack murphy
Do it.
tim pool
And I was considering getting a bunch of roosters.
A bunch meaning like a couple because you need a lot of chickens.
The problem is they scream and we record in a studio here.
jack murphy
Oh, true.
Well, you know, in the morning it'd be like... Midway through every single one of my podcasts, which I do at 12 o'clock.
I'm doing one tomorrow and Thursday.
Yeah, but roosters yell randomly.
Yeah, they do.
barks. So around one 15th in every podcast, Rosie, Rosie barks and everybody laughs. And
then we just, and then we just move on. It's just part of the show. Yeah. But roosters
tim pool
yell randomly and you were saying we don't need them. Well, if we take care of the chickens,
if we want, if we want babies, I guess.
Yeah, you could catch, yeah.
There's one place I go to where they have three, they're big, they're big roosters, and they keep predators away.
And so I was asking one of the guys there, I was like, the rooster's enough?
He's like, we have dogs too.
And I was like, there it is.
unidentified
Roosters get mean.
tim pool
Roosters will run after predators, and they also tell the chickens to go home when it gets dark.
So, but we'll probably just set up a big enclosure where it's like, we're gonna secure it so that predators can't get in or anything.
But if we have chickens, we can actually keep it in a secure area.
The problem was we have a really great place to put it, where it's surrounded on, you know, three sides, so there's no predator coming in, only from one direction.
And then we can actually secure that very well, and then have the coop inside it secured as well.
The problem is it's close to the house, so if we get roosters, You're going to hear the roosters everywhere.
So it's like, maybe we'll just get chickens.
Just get chickens.
ian crossland
We can always start with chickens.
jack murphy
I was thinking homesteading, man.
You have got eggs, goats and herbs.
That's easy, right?
It's like every morning you can wake up to like a goat cheese omelet with like herbs and stuff.
lydia smith
I used to milk them.
jack murphy
That doesn't sound like, that's not rough in it by any means.
That sounds amazing.
lydia smith
That sounds great.
jack murphy
I can go for a goat cheese omelet right now.
tim pool
We gotta read some more, we gotta read some more.
So, ImageJpeg says, The only thing that can stop crypto is if governments go back to sound money.
Won't happen.
However, in my opinion, BTC is overvalued.
Check out CoinFairValue.
Satoshi's white paper was for eCash, not StoraValue.
That's fine, but it doesn't matter.
I hear a lot of people saying this.
They're like, oh, the original vision.
So they have Bitcoin Cash, where it's like, it's faster transactions, and it's worth a lot less, but you can trade it really quickly.
They all exist.
All these little cryptos exist where you can instantly trade value.
The Mines token, for instance, has value to some people, and the Library token or whatever.
Bitcoin has become a store of value.
That's it.
You can not like it, but that's what it's become.
I think the problem is...
Maybe Satoshi didn't realize governments were going to be dumping massive amounts of money into this.
And that means the demand is massive and the supply is literally diminishing.
ian crossland
It's so funny that the government says no one is allowed to mint a currency but us.
Couldn't stop it, so they're just letting it happen.
You can't stop it.
jack murphy
Letting it happen?
Aren't they the ones buying everything?
ian crossland
And then they're buying it.
jack murphy
Maybe M1.
All that, they're just buying up Bitcoin.
ian crossland
So maybe the whole, you can't print your own money supply thing should be tossed out the window.
I mean, it's being ignored.
So let's just say you can print your own money supply and change the constitution and let people make their own cryptos.
tim pool
Right, we gotta read some more.
We got a good one here.
Joey says, I remember when the Whopper was $1.
How much is it nowadays?
jack murphy
God, it would be like six bucks.
It was a guess.
tim pool
Fort Fort 14, maybe maybe 16 years ago.
There was a Burger King in my neighborhood and their sign was hard printed.
Ninety nine cent Whopper.
Hard, hard.
Like, it wasn't something they changed.
It was permanently there.
And then I remember when they finally broke it.
Yeah, because it was not a banner.
It was like, the sign itself said Burger King, and then under it, it said the 99-cent Whopper.
And then eventually when they're like, that's too expensive, it just, it broke the sign.
I lived, I lived in Southside, man.
It wasn't like a, you know, good place.
They're just like, get the hammer!
Or someone broke it.
I don't know.
Maybe someone shot it.
ian crossland
Last time I bought a Whopper is $2.29 maybe?
lydia smith
They cost $4.19 now.
unidentified
Yuck. $4.19.
tim pool
Matthew Stockhausen says technically any state can leave the Union if they want to fight the USA for freedom.
That's a good point!
ian crossland
Yeah, re-Texas, I don't think it's a good idea.
Whatever they talk about secession, like you'll have a blockade in the Gulf of Mexico, all that oil, the Fed's not gonna give up that oil.
You know, federal government, I should say.
jack murphy
Do you think there's the stomach by the other 49 states in the union to actually say, Oh, Texas is seated.
Other 49 states are going to be like, invade them.
tim pool
Nope.
Oh, that era has changed, man.
Look at Scotland voting for independence.
Like Scotland was essentially conquered.
Wasn't it?
I don't know anything about Great Britain. I'm going to trigger all the British people. They're going to be like,
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
So there you go. I don't think people would go for that.
no, you know, nothing. And it's like, okay, fine, whatever.
But we're at a point now where it's like, I guess Catalonia, they keep trying to leave Spain. And then the federal
police come in and just start beating people mercilessly.
ian crossland
It's like the federal cops are not the people.
That's why we're talking about the NSA and Homeland Security and the FBI.
That's a lot of militant force that the federal government has.
tim pool
We'll keep going through these Super Chats.
C. Hennessy says, Best analogy for America is a skyscraper, and each floor is a year of America.
The Founding Fathers laid the foundation, and now the people on the 244th floor wants to take out the foundation that the whole 244th floor sits on.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
Interesting.
Katie says, have to sit with an assignment for six hours, forced to write about Black Lives Matter and white supremacy.
I have to pass it to graduate this summer.
So I would like to know if I only pass, if I only pass, if I go full leftist.
Sounds like it.
ian crossland
Wow.
jack murphy
Look, it's a time, it's a time honored tradition to write whatever it is that you think your professors want you to write in order to get an A and not believe a single word of it.
So just do what everybody's always done in college.
ian crossland
Or you could write what you truly believe and frame it and throw the finger up.
tim pool
Here's a good super chat from Welder.
He says, Tim, no income tax, no progressive tax, only a sales tax.
The more you buy, the more you pay.
The rich that buy more will pay more, and the poor can save.
That's an interesting idea.
I've heard that before.
Maybe you just do a really high sales tax, like relative to where it is now, like increase it, so that it offsets everything, and then whoever consumes the most, that would actually be a good green solution, right, to all of these lefties who want, you know, to fight climate change and stuff.
Because then you're basically saying, by all means, buy whatever you want, but there's a lot of taxes attached to those purchases.
jack murphy
Value-added taxes are regressive.
tim pool
Yeah?
jack murphy
Yeah, they're regressive.
In some places, they have a 19% VAT.
It means if you spend $1, it's 19 cents.
It's a lot.
tim pool
But if there's no income tax.
jack murphy
No, I understand.
I'm pretty sure VAT is just known to be regressive because it does not increase percentage-wise for rich people.
The poor people are paying the same taxes, so it's regressive.
tim pool
But if rich people are buying tons of stuff like crazy, then they end up spending way more in taxes.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I mean, sitting in Luke's seat right now, I can think to myself, hey, I prefer when the government doesn't tax anything for anybody.
ian crossland
The value added tax is interesting.
That's what Andrew Yang wanted to use to pay for basic income.
And a friend of mine, Aaron, was explaining that The supply chain would be taxed at every point.
So the people that grow the rice sell it to the manufacturers, there's a tax on it.
And then that's the value, that's a value added tax on that.
Then the manufacturer sells it to the store, there's a value added tax on that.
The store brings it to the person, there's a value added tax put on that.
And then what it would do is cause a markup in the price of the product to cover the tax.
jack murphy
Embedded taxes along the chain.
Right.
tim pool
All right.
This one's for you, Jack.
Benjamin Haver says, I am 38 and have no family.
Both of my own and older, uh, both of my own and older than me.
It's been a hard road.
Also, I'm a huge fan of y'all's work.
Much respect.
No family.
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
Just super chat.
jack murphy
Thank you.
Thanks for watching the show.
Appreciate it.
tim pool
William Kelly says, hey Tim, how dare you for being exactly 10 days older than me and share my twin's name?
Then again, my twin is my political polar opposite.
Oh really?
Like a left, like you have a twin?
And then one's left wing and one's right wing or something?
lydia smith
It's hard to sing.
tim pool
It's a confluence of worlds right there.
My birthday is March 9th.
It is coming up very soon.
ian crossland
Happy birthday.
tim pool
About six days.
And I will be 35 years old.
Big year.
Ryan Law says, wondering if you guys heard about how the National Guard troops at the Capitol are being treated.
They're getting sick from raw and molded food.
I DM'd the story to your Instagram, Tim.
Uh, I did, and metal shavings.
Metal shavings.
jack murphy
I saw that.
Is that, that's legit?
tim pool
It's probably from the cans, when they're like making potatoes, and they're scraping it, and the bits.
Oh no.
Yup, yup, yup.
And, now when I heard about the raw beef, I was kinda like, Is that so bad?
I like my steaks rare.
I guess if you're getting garbage freezer food, though, and you don't know where it's been, you probably want it to be cooked.
jack murphy
It's probably not steak tartare.
tim pool
The raw chicken, though.
Yeah, that's like, dude, they are mistreating these guys.
ian crossland
It is such... They feed them raw chicken?
tim pool
That's why I'm saying it feels like everything's falling apart.
When our National Guard is supposed to be defending the capital, and we can't even feed them properly?
ian crossland
Yeah, you gotta defend the National Guard before you use them to defend the capital.
tim pool
You ever think about how these massive armies, like the Crusades, They have to have food, man.
jack murphy
Armies march on their bellies.
tim pool
Yup.
ian crossland
They have a huge baggage trans with their families.
tim pool
So now you have one of the wealthiest countries, if not the wealthiest country on the planet right now, can't get food to our own National Guard?
ian crossland
In the capital.
tim pool
In the capital!
unidentified
It's not that they can't, it's that they won't.
tim pool
That's the case still.
The K is the K. All right.
jack murphy
But there's a big difference between somehow we just can't and we have all the resources in the world.
Money printer go brr.
We can't.
We won't.
ian crossland
Why do you think?
What do you mean they won't?
Like, what are they not doing?
jack murphy
What is a limiting factor from them buying high quality food?
Choice.
Choice.
It's a choice.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Same with hospitals.
I feel like hospitals should have healthy food.
jack murphy
Institutionalized food delivery is tough.
ian crossland
Um, schools, hospitals, and the military are suffering from a lack of nutrition.
That's a big problem.
That's another part of why government is kind of an issue.
unidentified
I'm just saying, if we can't feed our own... It's a bit of an issue.
ian crossland
I could go into it.
tim pool
All right, we got to read this one.
Mesa's own one, Mesa's one.
I don't know why people are so mad at Cuomo for the nursing home stuff.
He was just trying out a bold new strategy to solving the looming social society crisis.
Yeah, too many old people.
jack murphy
Then we won't have to bring in more immigrants and we can solve the fertility issue, the entitlement issue, the great pyramid scheme that is America, by the way.
We could solve that problem just by killing all the old people.
This is a joke, obviously, YouTube overlords.
tim pool
This is important.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Alex Ryan says, Tim, get a donkey.
A donkey will act as a guard for your chickens.
They're brutal to predators.
It's an awesome sight to watch a donkey stomp a coyote.
I've heard that.
unidentified
Wow.
They'll just, like, get away from the chickens.
tim pool
The chickens are my friends.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Donkeys.
I hear donkeys are awesome.
lydia smith
They're great.
Way better than horses.
ian crossland
What are they, bray?
Is that the noise they make?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Eeyaw?
lydia smith
Yep, that's called...
tim pool
Goatman Jack says, don't you judge my people's music.
Yeah.
So when I, when I lived in Miami with Adam, the neighbors had a goat and just a goat would yell all the time.
So it's not enjoyable when you're trying to sleep and it's like 7am in here.
jack murphy
Bleat on.
ian crossland
Bleat on.
Bleater.
tim pool
Catoriously Wise says, Tim, I've been in the beanie cult for about nine months now, but I never got my new follower beanie.
Who do I contact?
We don't have beanies, do we?
We actually reached out to a bunch of companies to make these kinds of beanies.
And it's hard because it's dual colors.
So you need like a good factory, but everything was shut down for COVID.
ian crossland
Hey, as an aside, I wore the I'm a Gorilla t-shirt yesterday, and it is really comfortable.
lydia smith
It's comfortable, right?
tim pool
Good shirts, huh?
unidentified
That's great.
lydia smith
I was wearing it earlier today.
ian crossland
I'm surprised Teespring doesn't do beanies.
Maybe we should.
lydia smith
Maybe they could.
tim pool
They do, but they're always these just, like, acrylic embroidered, not...
jack murphy
Jay Rich says one of the biggest contributors to the declining birth rate is third wave feminism and the rise of gynocentric society centered around berating masculinity and browbeating men for being men.
tim pool
See, there you go.
Jay Rich says, One of the biggest contributors to the declining birth rate
is third wave feminism and the rise of gynocentric society centered around berating masculinity and browbeating men
for being men.
Make females women again.
Yep.
ian crossland
So third wave feminism is the...
This is the distortion of feminism over the last 20 or 30 years.
jack murphy
Yeah, it's the step beyond, like, maybe they should vote.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe we're all equal.
jack murphy
Yeah.
It's the step beyond that.
It's the step beyond that.
lydia smith
It is.
It really is.
tim pool
Mark Roberts says, Tim, I truly appreciate your cast and everyone's viewpoint.
Thanks so much for your work.
Best to everyone.
jack murphy
Hey, appreciate it.
ian crossland
That was a great one.
jack murphy
Thank you.
tim pool
Christopher Blummer says, for Jack Murphy.
jack murphy
Yes, sir.
tim pool
Do you think Keanu Reeves is a MGTOW?
MGTOW, it means men going their own way.
jack murphy
I couldn't tell you.
I have no idea.
Is he single?
tim pool
Have you seen him?
jack murphy
I thought he was married to some older lady.
tim pool
No, he's single.
ian crossland
I thought he was married to like a 55 year old woman.
jack murphy
Yeah, he was.
ian crossland
Silver hair.
jack murphy
Yeah, he was.
tim pool
And all the photos of him with women, his hands, he's doing hover hands.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's legit.
tim pool
That one I think was not, I think that was legit, like the Me Too thing was at its peak.
And then all these photos started emerging of Keanu Reeves and his hands were never on women.
And I'm like, dude, he's playing it safe.
jack murphy
I'm pretty sure he's dating an older woman who doesn't dye her hair.
And there was like a whole thing about it.
I remember even tweeting about it.
Now that I think about it, I have no idea if he's a MGTOW.
I don't, I don't recommend that by the way.
Don't go your own way, man.
Become a better man.
All right.
Find a woman, have a family, be a rebel.
tim pool
A.I.
or Al, whichever one, says, Tim, you seriously need to do a discussion on the mouse utopia experiment.
It nearly perfectly mirrors the modern-day problems.
Also, promiscuity is killing the long-term dating world.
Look up retroactive jealousy.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, I think I've heard about that.
The mouse utopia experiment, I think I've read about that.
Was that where, like, they gave the mice everything they could ever want, and then they ended up just getting, like, fat-lazy, and then not reproducing, and then just slowly dying off?
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
jack murphy
Look, the fertility issue is something that we should have actually a deeper discussion on because it's not just the United States.
lydia smith
It's Europe as well.
jack murphy
It's everywhere with advanced technology.
I think that this is the precursor to some transhumanist kind of thing happening in society.
Like as an entity in a whole, we might have some expectation of a huge change.
ian crossland
Genderless evolution and babies born in test tubes.
tim pool
Kathy's, uh, smacking you down.
Smack, smack down from Kathy.
jack murphy
Kathy, what's up?
tim pool
Kathy Mack says, what is wrong with you people?
What a sad generation.
You pick a spouse by finding someone that enjoys the same things.
I made twice as much as my husband, but it was all our money.
Also, we have been married 41 years.
ian crossland
Good for you.
jack murphy
Good for you.
Congratulations.
ian crossland
I agree with that, man.
I don't think that, personally, I might be different than most, but I don't think the money... I guess I understand what you're saying about power and drive, because I am attracted to women that are driven to create and do something.
lydia smith
That's important, yeah.
jack murphy
Look, getting married because you like the person?
This is a new thing.
This is a new thing.
lydia smith
This has never been the case.
jack murphy
Romantic love is a new thing.
It's a modern creation.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Yeah, it is.
ian crossland
It's incredible.
tim pool
Yeah, it used to be like arranged marriages and dowries and all that stuff.
And it was like that the dad would basically sell off the daughter in a manner of speaking.
I have the dowry and then there would be a good man.
And then the dad would be like, I approve of this man.
jack murphy
The opposite of selling.
Yeah, right.
The dad's giving the dowry.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right, right.
jack murphy
Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird.
tim pool
Like the eligible men were.
jack murphy
Yeah, they receive you get a woman and a bunch of money.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jack murphy
Pretty good deal.
That's called the patriarchy.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
ian crossland
Patriarchy.
lydia smith
Yeah, works great.
tim pool
I called.
jack murphy
And a stack of cash.
tim pool
So I had a friend and I jokingly called her a spinster and she got really offended.
And I was like, why are you offended by that?
And she was like, don't call me a spinster.
And I was like, I thought that was like a, like a funny thing nowadays.
It's like, it used to be an insult back then.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
What is it?
Someone that spins hay?
tim pool
So it was typically the women who were spinning, what was it?
Cotton?
ian crossland
Cotton.
That's not hay.
tim pool
It was because they weren't, they were working.
They were working women.
So they were called spinsters.
And then spinster became a term for a woman who wasn't married and didn't have kids.
Who was working.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Cause you had to spend the rest of her life spinning up yarn.
tim pool
Yeah, but like nowadays it's like tongue in cheek.
It was like.
jack murphy
I think Spinster insinuates that a woman is barren.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Really?
jack murphy
And a woman that doesn't have any, barren societally like this with no husband, no family, no anything.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
Why would you be mad at me for that?
If you're like a high powered working woman?
jack murphy
Because it triggers the evolutionary brain that can't be turned off.
tim pool
It's also how like the left tries calling men incels because they're trying to go after masculinity.
It's a weird thing to do because it's like, It's just like, I don't know, it's antithetical to what they claim to support.
jack murphy
Of course it is.
Dude, I just had a huge long thread this weekend on progressive alpha males and how they don't exist by definition.
tim pool
We should say that for the... For after?
Yeah, we'll go ham on all that stuff.
jack murphy
Dude, that was a good one.
lydia smith
Let's be fun.
jack murphy
That was huge.
tim pool
Travis Sharon says donkeys scream.
I stayed at Lake Pleasant, Arizona last weekend.
Loud!
ian crossland
Okay.
You convinced me.
tim pool
Hexperimental says don't buy a donkey.
The donkey will mind control you.
Then it will make you join and completely support the democratic establishment.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
He's right.
jack murphy
Get an elephant instead!
unidentified
There you go!
tim pool
Perfect!
jack murphy
Then a tiger.
lydia smith
Yes.
jack murphy
We'll call it Never Neverland.
lydia smith
Oh gosh, let's not.
tim pool
That's a good point.
Ben Clark says Washington state is sales tax only, no income tax.
Bad idea.
Poor can't save.
They actually pay a higher percent in taxes just buying necessities.
Steve Salina says Tim, my birthday is March 9th.
Gonna be 27.
Love your show, bro.
And I'm glad I share my B-day with such an awesome guy.
Love you guys.
You know what's crazy?
Adam's birthday is right before mine as well.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
What is it?
tim pool
March 7th?
Yeah.
It's awesome.
jack murphy
It's crazy, bro.
tim pool
It's a good year for birthdays.
There's another person who has a birthday two days after mine, but I don't know if their birthday is public, so I won't say, but we're gonna have a big party.
unidentified
It's gonna be great.
jack murphy
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Maybe we'll do a show or something.
jack murphy
Really big party.
My invitation must have got lost in the mail.
lydia smith
Yeah, it sure did.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where's the e-light?
unidentified
Come on, man.
jack murphy
Here's some alcohol pads.
tim pool
We come on man some alcohol pads Ink spot says get out of the cities is all building to the
next world war the next the new world order and the culling Through war famine and unspeakable strife. Mm-hmm. Well, I
don't know about all that, but I do think you will be ever so happy with chickens
Dude, I gotta tell you man I had chickens in Miami.
They're hilarious.
ian crossland
They're like dinosaurs.
tim pool
They're just funny.
It's like watching them do their thing.
They're just hilarious.
They're so dumb.
ian crossland
If you fell in a pit of chickens and passed out, would they eat you?
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
They eat animals like they're carnivores.
lydia smith
Yeah, they eat mice.
tim pool
When you ask someone what do chickens eat, what do you think they're gonna tell you?
jack murphy
They eat grubs.
ian crossland
Worms.
tim pool
Bugs.
And they eat grass.
Grass.
They eat grass.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And they mutilated my lawn.
lydia smith
Yeah, they tear up your lawn.
ian crossland
So you move them around.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, you just, you give them a big enough space to where they don't destroy the whole lawn, but they were just annihilating it.
But the problem was the rooster we had was really dumb and kind of a loser and he would run away and not protect the chickens.
So we were like, what are you doing?
So we called him, um, we called him Norrin.
ian crossland
Norrin the wary?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
It's a Magic the Gathering creature.
tim pool
There's a, there's a, there's a card in Magic the Gathering called Norrin the wary.
It's terrible.
No, it's amazing.
It's a brilliant card, but he's the character, the character is like mortified and always running away.
That's the point.
jack murphy
See, even a male chicken that can't provide or protect is worthless.
lydia smith
Good point.
ian crossland
Evolution has spoken.
I would have chopped this up.
tim pool
You know what he would do?
You know what's really funny?
He would jump over the fence because he kept... Oh, this is hilarious.
We didn't have enough chickens.
And we didn't realize this.
And he kept banging them like crazy.
And then he would jump over the fence.
People don't realize how high they can, they can, they can like, they can do big jumps.
Yeah, they can almost fly.
They can't really fly.
They can jump really high and then they like come down.
So he jumped over like, I think it was like a six and a half, seven foot fence.
And we can't get over it to get him.
And he jumps over because he can hear all the hot chicken ladies, you know?
So he's like, I'm a rooster and I can hear these chickens.
And he jumps over.
Here's the problem.
Those chickens had roosters.
And the roosters over there were massive, big old roosters.
And they basically said GTFO, but he wasn't smart enough to jump back over.
So he would just get stuck in the corner.
And then we have to go to the neighbors and they would come over and pick him up and throw him over.
And I'll tell you the funniest thing ever.
He got trapped over there for like a day or two.
And then the chickens we had were just doing their chicken business.
And so we're trying to figure out what happened to him.
He's gone.
And that was the first time we realized he was jumping the fence.
And so we asked the neighbors.
The neighbors were like, oh, is that your rooster?
We were wondering where this thing came from.
So they don't throw him over the fence.
They drop him over the fence.
And then as soon as he lands, we're standing there and we watch him just run full speed and then jump on the chicken and start banging the chicken.
We all just bust out laughing.
ian crossland
What is it like when chickens bang?
unidentified
They're like birds.
tim pool
Do they scream in pain?
on their back and then digs his feet and rips their back open.
ian crossland
Do they scream in pain?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
That's how cats do it.
unidentified
It's real quick.
ian crossland
You'll see that woman cat just tearing it up, screaming.
Have you ever seen that?
unidentified
All right, all right.
tim pool
Let's uh, we'll do uh, we'll do one more here.
Uh, Sam Bada says, Tim, get Rolo Tomasi on the show.
Jack's just paraphrasing Rolo's book, The Rational Male.
Rolo has been the authority on intersexual dynamics for 20 years now.
jack murphy
Whatever.
ian crossland
So we should have you and Jack.
jack murphy
Whatever.
I've known Rolo for 10 years.
I've known Rolo before he ever wrote a book.
tim pool
So you're saying he should come on with you?
jack murphy
Rolo and his whole crew blocked me a year ago.
Mad jelly.
Mad jelly.
We're reigniting the beef.
ian crossland
What is this premise?
jack murphy
Rolo and I came up in the same place.
Rolo, they call him the king of the Manosphere and I'll give him credit.
He did write a lot of things down.
But man, Rolo and me and a handful of other guys, Mike, who was even in here the other day, we all co-evolved that whole scene.
We co-evolved the whole scene.
I've been talking about this stuff for 10 years.
Same as Rolo.
That would be really funny.
That would be really funny.
Hey, baby.
tim pool
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to talk about the progressive alpha, I suppose.
At TimCast.com, so that'll be up in about an hour or so.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member, and we'll have that up soon.
Don't forget to like, share, subscribe, smash that like button.
If you really like this podcast, leave us a good review on iTunes or Spotify.
If you haven't, check it out, because then it, like, you know, boosts you up in the ratings, and then you share it, and then people see it, and then it just, you know, it's great.
unidentified
It's great.
tim pool
You can follow me on all social media platforms at TimCast.
My other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News.
This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m.
So we'll be back, of course, tomorrow.
Jack, you want to shout out some stuff?
jack murphy
Yes, please follow me.
Subscribe on my YouTube channel.
We're approaching 40,000 subs.
It'd be really nice to get there.
I got a live interview tomorrow at noon and then my first ever panel show Friday at 12 with Christopher Ruffo, Carolyn B. and Corey DeAngelis is going to be awesome.
ian crossland
Gorgeous.
And you can follow me, Ian Crossland, all over the internet, social-wise, and my website, iancrossland.net.
You can pick up some merchandise if you like, including that one guy's favorite, Free the Code mug.
Shout out to the dude that super chatted out about that.
Thanks for letting me specify what I meant by this.
And have some fun.
And I love you guys very much.
This is really cool.
lydia smith
I am Sour Patch Lids.
I push all the buttons every night at 8 p.m.
I am at Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram and Gap and I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and Mines.
tim pool
The Progressive Alpha coming up over at TimCast.com and we will see you all there.
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