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March 3, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - DC Rewrites Hero To Gain Super Powers From BLM Protest w/ Ryan Long
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tim pool
you know if you listen to this show you've heard me talk about one of my
favorite superheroes especially growing up watching the old WB and that's static
shock You wanna know why I like Static Shock as a character?
Because it really did tackle social justice issues, but it was like legit...
Old-school good liberalism about, hey, be kind to your neighbors, respect people, you know, live and let live and all that stuff.
And I really liked the story.
It was the WB version.
It wasn't the same as the comic book version.
For those that aren't familiar, it's basically some kid who gets bullied into joining a gang he didn't want to join.
He gets forced down to these docks.
There's a gang war and then, long story short, there's a chemical explosion and all these gangbangers get superpowers and they're all basically villains.
But he was this kid who didn't want to be there and was mixed up.
He becomes a superhero.
Well, In the latest rewrite for the series, it's now the most absurd storyline ever, he's attending a Black Lives Matter protest!
And the police fire tear gas at the crowd for, like, no reason.
And the tear gas just instantly gives everybody superpowers.
Welcome to the era of social justice and comic books.
And I'm sorry, you know, like, maybe we should have opened with some, like, very serious political commentary.
But this is personal, because I've talked about how much I really like Static Shock.
So we're going to talk about this one?
I'm going to get all triggered.
But we got a bunch of other really ridiculous stories.
We got, what was it, Amazon claimed that their logo looked too much like Hitler.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And so they had to change it.
And it was literally a cardboard box.
Again, welcome to the social justice era of 2020.
And apparently now Bill Burr is getting slammed because he called Gina Carano nice.
They're claiming like it was this big defense of Gina Carano.
It's like, okay, these people are so desperate for some kind of weird angle on all this stuff.
We're going to get into it.
And I figured that the cultural commentary stuff is probably better today anyway, because we got Ryan Long hanging out, and he's gonna make fun of everybody.
ryan long
We do have Ryan Long in the building.
So, with the Amazon logo, looking like Hitler.
I don't know if you knew this, Tim, but originally Google, their original name for the site was Goobles.
lydia smith
I did not know that.
tim pool
I was like, where's he going with this?
Ah, he's already writing jokes.
Oh, wonderful.
I can't believe they haven't banned you from just like every social media platform.
ryan long
And did you know, I don't know if you know this, but Social Justice, they wanted to change Himler in history books to be Herler.
unidentified
Okay, that makes sense.
ryan long
I can't afford that one.
tim pool
Did you write that one a long time ago?
ryan long
No.
I'm off the dome, my friend.
Off my non-beanie dome.
And they've changed Himmler to Hurler.
When you're talking about the Holocaust, and don't question the numbers.
tim pool
You know about the Sokol squared hoax, right?
The what?
The Sokol squared hoax?
ryan long
No.
tim pool
Where you had these three academics basically took a chapter out of Mein Kampf and then changed the proper nouns to be like feminist.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And it got submitted.
ryan long
Nazis can be girls.
tim pool
No, but like, it didn't say that.
It said like, the patriarchy is bad and here's why.
And then they submitted it to a journal and I think that one got approved, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, it did.
ryan long
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah.
That was those three, Bogosian and Lindsay.
ryan long
Oh, that was one of those guys' papers when they were messing with- Oh yeah, I do remember that, yeah.
tim pool
So we're gonna have to talk a whole lot about the Amazon logo, and the stupid world we live in, and I don't know, they might ban us, whatever, because we're talking about Amazon and the stupid things they've done.
ryan long
Well yeah, you were going on your rant about Mein Kampf, and before we started, Tim goes, this episode's gonna be extra based.
tim pool
Yes, no no no, hold on.
There was an Australian publisher that banned Jordan Peterson's book, but not Mein Kampf.
Like, that's how stupid everybody is.
All right, but we'll say you got all these awesome jokes written down.
ryan long
No, I wrote the topics down that you told me to talk about.
He's prepared.
This was five seconds ago.
I didn't come with these papers.
unidentified
I picked them up.
tim pool
It's like a picture of a cat.
ryan long
Well, you said eight things we're going to talk about.
tim pool
If we do, if we do.
ryan long
It's a very professional operation that we have here.
Tim, where are we at on the Civil War?
Because last time I came here, you said, you know, remember?
You were like, the Civil War is happening.
And then you told me, you go, what are you going to do when the Civil War happens?
And I go, well, maybe I'll go back to Canada.
And you go, well, you won't be able to go back to Canada.
And then you said... Now you can't go back to Canada.
tim pool
And a bunch of people strung to the Capitol building.
ryan long
That's true.
Is the Civil War still happening?
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely, man.
I just think people assume civil war means like two people in uniforms marching towards each other.
Right now you've got a call for a commission.
They're calling it the 1-6 Commission to track down all of those responsible for inciting the insurrection.
You've got an article today, I'm sorry, a couple days ago, NBC saying Republican talk of secession has become serious and academics are warning that this time it's for real.
Texas just introduced a bill that will allow Texas to secede from the Union and the GOP of Texas endorsed it.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
So, look, I always say this.
Maybe it won't happen.
ryan long
Maybe it just stops right now.
Yeah, but you have the bunker.
Because I did leave, like, I'm very susceptible.
The same reason why I was talking to your crew and they were like, dude, you need to get your website more secure.
And I was, five seconds ago, I'm like, I need to hire a team.
Like, I've literally left Tim's house before being like, I need a gun.
tim pool
I need a bunker.
ryan long
He got me jazzed up, dude.
I was telling other people.
I went back to New York.
I'm telling people, I'm like, they're coming for us, man.
tim pool
What are they saying now after the storming of the Capitol?
Like the people you were talking to, you're like, Tim was saying this stuff.
Are they like, whoa, what's going on?
ryan long
Well, I think that most people in New York probably take where those guys were bad news and we're glad we got the orange guy out of the power, right?
But as far as whether the Civil War is happening?
tim pool
Well, so, it's fifth-generational warfare.
It's information, it's propaganda, it's manipulation, but there is low-tier violence across the country.
Look, there's just been more than one instance where, like I was saying, people assume it's going to be people in uniforms marching towards each other.
That's like 200 years ago, you know what I mean?
We're not that kind of people anyway, that's not what happens.
ryan long
So what happens when the civil—what are examples of the things that they do?
Move your bank accounts, delete you from the internet, that kind of stuff?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Strip you of resources.
Information.
So, like, this is actually based on academic research that came out of UC San Diego, where they talked about how it will be removing people's ability to speak so that the political narratives are dominated by only one faction.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
And that way political... So, if you have two factions, two parent factions that are fighting over control of a government, and you strip one of the factions' ability to communicate, then the only thing... You basically isolate each individual so they can't form any kind of cohesive response.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
So it perhaps, you know, I would say war might lead people to thinking like in the past, but there was a Princeton professor who said, we are in a cold civil war.
And this guy's a Democrat.
He's a lefty.
ryan long
I think, yeah, there's a couple of different civil wars going, or a couple of different cold wars happening in unison probably right now.
ian crossland
It's true.
It's a war within a war within a war.
ryan long
Gender war.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, all this stuff is part of like the same idea.
But again, I think the problem is when you have midwits, you know what a midwit is?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
When you have these people hear the phrase civil war, they're like smart enough to engage, but they're not smart enough to understand the future.
ryan long
There's also probably an element of when you use those words, you get to dismiss the fact that it's happening the same way that they do with conspiracies.
You know, it's always like, oh, Pete, they think that there's these pedophiles in the pizza shop or whatever, you know, and then people go all these crazy and you're like, I mean, they've had nine pedophile conspiracies that have got uncovered recently.
tim pool
I mean, Epstein, it's really, it's really interesting.
There's like, you know, that Epstein is what makes people kind of go crazy when they see this and they want answers and they don't get them.
We'll get into all this.
ryan long
Yes.
It's a very long introduction for you.
tim pool
Let's do, we gotta introduce the other people.
unidentified
I'd rather not introduce him.
tim pool
It is not your show.
ian crossland
I'd rather talk about me.
unidentified
It's his show.
ryan long
I'm here from New York.
It's very busy right now.
ian crossland
It's Saturday night.
tim pool
It's not Saturday.
lydia smith
It's Tuesday, Sunday morning.
ryan long
Guys, we're here with my co-host, Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Thank you, Ryan.
ryan long
It's good to be here.
If you want to super chat, any questions for me or Ian.
ian crossland
I want to talk about social justice infiltrating comics, because I think maybe Captain America was like social justice of the 40s.
Yeah, it was all about fighting Nazis and war propaganda.
Is that the history of comics altogether is just propaganda?
tim pool
I mean, everything is, right?
ian crossland
Also, I'm excited to talk about the war within the war within the war.
The Cold War.
The war for your mind and your soul that's global.
Chinese, maybe, and the American government.
The national fight.
And then the soul.
Your own personal war against your neighbor.
tim pool
Whether or not you're engaging in that, Brian.
ryan long
I'm in a personal war against my neighbors.
tim pool
Listen, the Gina Carano thing is a really good example of this, you know, fifth generational warfare.
It's not the biggest thing in the world.
It's just a grain of sand in the heat.
The bigger conflict is probably at law and stuff like that.
But Gina Carano posted an image saying, don't demonize your neighbors.
She didn't compare anybody to Republicans or to Jews or anything like that.
And they just nuked her.
But we'll talk about it.
Lydia's pressing buttons.
ryan long
Yeah, we got a script.
lydia smith
This guy's ready to go off.
I don't want to get in Ryan's way.
I'm afraid I will get run over, but I'm here in the corner pushing buttons as well.
ryan long
You work for me now, Lydia.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's true.
I do.
I have a new boss.
Same as the old boss, it turns out.
ryan long
I have a super chat from one of our people.
Tim, how many times have you said the gamer word?
tim pool
The gamer word?
unidentified
Gamer gate?
ryan long
Gamer gate?
Google gamer word.
Gamer word.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh.
tim pool
Are you talking about PewDiePie?
You're trying to get us in trouble.
You know.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
ryan long
All right.
Okay.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll just tell you, I'll just tell you what, I'll just tell you what, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
Cause I can only imagine what's going to happen when we do the exclusive, you know, behind the paywall segment where Ryan can say whatever he wants.
He's going to get his ban from everything, even though it's behind the paywall.
ryan long
All the gamer words.
tim pool
It's that.
unidentified
Oh no.
tim pool
Ryan.
There's more than one?
ryan long
The gamer words?
unidentified
We're going to find out.
tim pool
All right, all right, all right.
I gotta read the story.
This one is near and dear to my heart.
When I saw the story I was like, I don't want to talk about comics.
Then I read it and I was like, how dare they?
Okay, first I was just like, all right, well, you know, it's a modern retelling of a comic book story.
Black Lives Matter can be relevant to this.
And then I read the panels they included, and I'm just like, this is really bad.
It's really bad.
So, uh, I don't know if I need to necessarily read the, uh, I'll read a little bit.
They say a recent retcon to the origin story of the DC comic superhero Static, real identity Virgil Hawkins, has changed the inciting incident that grants him superpowers from a gang war to a Black Lives Matter protest.
Okay, there is so much wrong with this.
I'll need to actually read the comic to give you a better breakdown, but let me just explain something.
In the original comic, he's basically, he's a good kid, but he's being bullied.
He gets a gun, and he shows up at this gang war, and he wants to take out his bully.
He wants to kill his bully.
But he decides he can't do it, and he starts crying, and he throws the gun into the water.
But then the police, seeing a gang war, you know, people are trying to kill each other, fire an experimental tear gas, which caused some crazy reaction.
They call it the Big Bang, and then all of a sudden, all these gang bangers get superpowers.
Well, guess what?
These are not good people, right?
Turns out they become supervillains.
But this kid who was down there, who actually was an okay kid, just mixed up in some bad stuff, ends up becoming a hero.
In the later version, the more recent version, they're all still pretty old, the WB cartoon, Static Shock, he basically gets pressured into joining a gang he doesn't want to join.
So I thought that was a really awesome way to deal with issues that...
I know exactly what that was like growing up on the south side of Chicago.
I knew people who were surrounded by people in gangs who were like, are you joining or not?
You have, you know, you have to join.
You live in our area and it's called V'ed.
You get V'ed and you get violated.
And so what they do is they would beat the crap out of these kids who were like 14 or 15, force them to join gangs.
One dude went to prison because what they want to do is they want to get a minor, give him a gun and say, go and kill our enemies because you'll get out in four years because they can't hold you until you're 18.
So when I saw this show, I was like, wow, that's that's clever, right?
It actually gets to, you know, like real issues that I think affect young people.
They don't want to get mixed up in this stuff.
It addressed social justice issues in a really cool way.
And it actually told an interesting story.
There's a chemical explosion.
The people who are there happen to be mostly gangbangers, mostly become supervillains.
Now this kid who gets mixed up in it, he's like, I didn't wanna be here in the first place, I'm gonna do good.
I'm gonna try and be better.
My question now is, in the new version, they're all at a Black Lives Matter protest, right?
And for no reason, the police start shooting them with tear gas.
So in this comic, the cop says, you know, who do they think they are?
Turn around and get back to school or be arrested for truancy.
And then someone yells, stop killing innocent people and we will.
Someone holding a sign that says, she was sleeping.
Fine then.
Let them fly, says the cop, as they start shooting this tear gas at the crowd.
Almost instantly, one dude's skin starts melting off, and the cop is like, is that kid's face melting?
And then all of a sudden, they all have superpowers.
So like, this is the story.
The cops fire tear gas at a random group of Black Lives Matter protesters.
They all have superpowers.
I got a question about this.
Where do the villains come from?
ryan long
Well, I guess that'd be the police in this scenario.
Sting, Copeland, all of them.
tim pool
I mean, they are portraying the cops as the bad guys.
ryan long
It's gotta be, right?
tim pool
But what I mean is, the cops in the comic are all wearing gas masks.
In the original version, it was gangbangers getting gassed.
And so, naturally, many of these people are not good people become villains.
ryan long
Well, what do they say?
Where do they say the villains do come from?
tim pool
I don't know, it just says, he's like, I got powers, but hold on, here's the funny thing, he says, here's what it says, he goes, I don't know what the first panel is, it's just him waking up saying, which made me stronger, stronger than I could ever imagine, then electricity burst from his eyes, now I could get revenge on all the bullies who picked on me, who pick on everybody, but it turns out they have powers too.
And it's three white dudes, and it's like blonde hair, blue eyes, And they're bullies.
One guy's, like, shirt's ripping.
He's all ripped.
One guy's fist is on fire.
lydia smith
Were they at the protest, too?
ryan long
And I'm just like... Essentially three Biff from Back to the Future.
lydia smith
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
But does this mean they were also protesting for Black Lives Matter?
ryan long
Yeah, why were they there?
Oh, because they wouldn't be there, like, protesting against it.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, maybe, yeah.
tim pool
Maybe that's it.
ryan long
They were there, you know.
ian crossland
They needed Antifa there.
They were also violent protesters that then became villains.
But instead they framed the cops.
ryan long
They had all bullies lives matters on the show.
tim pool
I wonder if the angle they're going for is that the bullies are bad guys and they're like, we're going to rob this bank!
And then he's like, you were at the Black Lives Matter protest too, but you're a villain.
unidentified
Well, well, hold on.
tim pool
We may be villains, but we all agree, black lives matter.
ryan long
That's just implied.
tim pool
Right.
So that's the angle they're going for.
Well, of course the villains were there.
Even the villains agree.
ryan long
Yeah, it's almost like they chose this topic, but it was so sensitive that they had to sort of illogically decide kind of the rest of the plotline.
tim pool
It's a train wreck.
I should have expected that, you know, this is the angle they would go, but it really does feel like cheap.
I'm not trying to be mean to Black Lives Matter or anything.
I mean, you know, we've talked about them quite a bit.
I've been critical over the riots.
But, like, one of the biggest problems with Star Wars latest iterations and, like, Captain Marvel and a lot of these new comics is that it's just really cheap writing.
It's not clever.
It's not good.
It's not interesting.
It's just really obvious.
Like, it's a dude sitting there with his eyes half closed, and he's like, I don't know, is that a Black Lives Matter protest or something?
Just write it down and sell it, whatever.
ryan long
You know, like, it used to be that Whenever you're getting propaganda, period, the hope is that it's good enough that you'll take your propaganda.
Like, I'll be watching certain shows and you can kind of tell when it's really getting into that stuff and they're trying to sell you something.
You go, okay.
And then there's another one where the show sucks and you're like, hey, there's 12 characters and 11 of them are gay.
And you're like, this isn't good enough for how much you're shoving this down my face.
So I think the problem is, yeah, it's like anything in any art, or songs, you know, anything you're listening to, it's like, you get to give me a teaspoon of propaganda per good amount of entertainment.
And then I think that they are tipping the scales where the propaganda levels are out of the ballpark.
tim pool
I bet the argument from the left will be the original Static Shock cartoon was very much social justice-y.
But it was the liberal kind.
I mean, philosophically liberal.
Where it was just, hey man, don't be mean to somebody for no reason.
Don't be racist.
Now it's just like, this just seems like, what do they call it?
They call it rainbow washing when you just make something, you know, LGBTQ to sell a product.
It's kind of like social justice wash and they're like, Oh, that's static.
ryan long
So I think there's probably so much logistical things too.
It's the same thing that happened with You know recently we were talking about even this is on Amazon, but I'm sure you guys cover like potato head and all that stuff But it's like they basically were like, oh There's an easy way to kind of get clicks and this your new advertising campaign comes in and they go Yo, all you have to do is this but then now even on that side they go Hey, you didn't do it right and then the other side gets mad at them so I think in a lot of ways the the like easy bucks to be made off social justice are becoming harder and harder, so
You know what I mean?
They're like, oh, we'll do this.
Everyone will like it.
tim pool
You got extra extra virgin olive oil.
You got extra virgin olive oil and you got virgin and you got olive oil.
And so it's like the very last drop.
ryan long
Yeah.
They're trying to squeeze out the last drop of money that you can get from, you know, saying you've got the right opinions.
So I think when you do this, it's like, I think that you probably end up making a lot of decisions and choices based on things other than what makes sense for your plot, probably.
tim pool
Have you guys seen the new Craft movie?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's called The Craft, right?
ian crossland
No, I think you've talked about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
Oh, The Witches?
tim pool
Yeah, The Witches.
Bro, if you want material, you should watch The Craft.
ryan long
Yeah, I'm progressive.
I only support male witches because I think that... Well, you'll love it because there's one in the movie.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
A spoiler alert for anybody who plans on seeing this movie.
There's a bully and they cast a spell to turn him gay, I guess.
I think that's what happens.
And then he gets murdered for being gay.
ryan long
Or they didn't cast a spell and he's like, it was a spell.
His girlfriend's like, what happened?
He's freaking witches, man.
Why are you blowing a dude?
unidentified
Have you heard of witches?
tim pool
Now everybody who's listening will have a clever excuse if they ever need to use one.
ryan long
No, no, but... Ah, witches!
Dad, it was the friggin... Didn't you see the witches?
unidentified
It was a spell.
lydia smith
It's fine.
He gets killed.
tim pool
But his dad's a witch.
ryan long
Yeah.
His dad's a male witch.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, anyway, the witches, like, break into his house, and then, like, they steal some of his, you know, man... What should I call it?
Reproductive fluids, and then cast a spell on him to make him nice, and then he, like, becomes a gay, I guess.
So then his dad has to kill him or something.
The whole movie, it's not a movie.
ryan long
Yeah, I mean, fair enough.
Your dad does have to kill you.
It goes without saying.
tim pool
The movie is basically just like a woke PSA.
And I'm watching it like waiting for a story to happen.
It's not there.
ryan long
Yeah.
But I mentioned that, but there's also- I was watching waiting for the gay sex scene and it never came either.
So both of us were disappointed.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.
So you're disappointed for other reasons.
There's another movie called Spiral.
And this one is... Oh, man.
I think we talked about this in one of the TimCast segments.
So, you know what Shudder is?
Shudder, like S-H-U-D-D-R.
It's a subscription service for horror shows and movies.
I love horror.
It's like my favorite genre.
I love, you know... What is that movie with Nicole Kidman, The Others?
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
That movie's awesome.
That movie's great.
And I love old 80s movies.
I just watched The Stuff.
Have you ever seen it?
ryan long
No.
tim pool
It's where people start eating trash out of the ground, but then it turns out it's like, you know, alive.
ryan long
Gutterfunks.
unidentified
It's what?
tim pool
They're eating people?
Yeah, trashfunks.
So Shudder has this film called Spiral, and it starts with an interracial gay couple.
Who have a daughter and then they move to a new town.
No, I'm fine.
I don't I don't care about that I don't I don't care about static being in a Black Lives Matter protest.
I care about the story making sense Well, how are you gonna have super villains if like how are the bullies were they at the Black Lives Matter protests?
Like what's going on?
I guess right.
So anyway, I'm watching this movie and I'm like I didn't really think twice about the interracial gay couple being, you know, the characters.
I was just like, it's 2020, man, you know?
I was like, whatever.
But then, very early on, you get a glimpse of what the movie is.
I'm just gonna spoil the whole movie for everybody.
If you're a subscriber to Shudder, well, you know, too bad.
ryan long
Witches.
tim pool
Witches.
It turns out, there are immortal white people.
who explain that they choose minority and marginalized families on purpose to frame for murders so that they can sacrifice them for immortality and then in the end the bad guy is like there will always be people to fear and no one will ever believe you And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, dude.
Like, like you said, you can give me a teaspoon of propaganda for every, you know, every cup of entertainment I get.
That was the whole thing was propaganda.
ryan long
I liked, uh, the 100.
I like, I honestly thought that show was kind of good, but by the end they, so everyone's a lesbian, right?
All the leaders are women and they're all lesbians and all of the women are the best fighters and it's sort of like a sci-fi thing but then they give the backstory and they just came on a spaceship and there's like they don't give you any logistical reason why in this world the women like it's not oh they're like Amazonian women it's just like normal women and for some reason the women are better fighters than guys they don't explain you go okay whatever Yeah.
You just have to be like, these fight scenes better be sweet, dude.
tim pool
I watched a really good, there was a video explaining why Captain America and Captain Marvel are totally different.
Captain America's good, everyone loved it.
Captain Marvel, people kind of groaned at it and some people just accepted it.
And they explain that one of the issues is, you know, like early on in Captain America, they explain to you, Steve Rogers, Captain America, is a weak guy.
He's weak, but he's willing to stand up.
He's a scrawny dude getting beat up outside of a theater and it establishes... Yeah, they have to give you that.
ryan long
Like, establish your world.
I'll believe your world, but you just have to give me an explanation.
Even if the explanation is stupid, they go, oh, he stepped in a puddle that gave him this.
You go, okay.
Like you just, otherwise you go, it doesn't make sense in your context.
tim pool
But in this context, what they're basically saying is, you know who Steve Rogers is.
He's not the strongest guy, but he's willing to stand up and defend himself no matter what.
And then he eventually gets superpowers, and then you see this guy of really good moral character who wants to protect people, now is powerful and says, I'm gonna do the right thing.
ryan long
Whereas Captain Marvel is, she's always strong, she's always been the best, and the man, like, there's a guy- Yeah, there's no- They've completely removed themselves from any hero's journey.
All of these like woman power movies basically became Steven Seagal movies where there's no adversity.
Like they start out and she's just like, I'm ready to kick some ass.
And then she goes, beats up everyone.
And then, you know, it's like, there's, there's, there's no even point where she wasn't going to potentially make it.
tim pool
This is, this is the problem, I guess, with modern, the modern version of, I guess, Gen Z storytelling.
It's probably millennials who are writing these comics, but think about this.
If you've got, let's take a look at the Black Lives Matter narrative, right?
They're doing a comic where they're like telling the cops you're killing innocent people.
Well, that's a gross oversimplification of what's happening.
The cops are immediately the bad guys who fire on them for no reason.
In Captain Marvel, she's actually the bad guy.
In the beginning of the movie, some guy in a motorcycle tells her to smile.
So she steals his clothes and his motorcycle and presumably just leaves him like nude in a parking lot.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, that's like, when that happened, I was kind of like, dude, I don't want to root for this character.
Some guy made a snide comment, so she robbed him.
ryan long
The reason for it, like, I find this even when I'm writing stuff, and especially when I was like doing more traditional stuff, there is this thing of like, you're not supposed to say this about this person, you're not supposed to say this about this, but like, so if you're gonna make people protagonists, they need, you know, bad qualities and good qualities.
But there's this sort of thing, like, if you're gonna write a woman, they're like, oh, we'll make her shitty.
And you're like, Well, you can't make women bad.
Like, that's bad for women.
We're just going to make a woman character and like, yeah, here's our hero.
She's like, can't critically think.
You know, no, you're like, what do you mean?
You can't make, we need strong women characters with no flaws.
Well, that's, well, that's not really a good story that there's no flaws.
tim pool
Think about, do you see what happened with Wemmix in the other day?
ryan long
No, but how about that for, that's how I get my superpowers, is I'm at the women's march.
Yes, I love it.
tim pool
And then the police fire tear gas at them.
ryan long
Yes.
tim pool
For no reason.
ryan long
Police fire tear gas at the women, but it didn't need to.
It turns out, well, they thought they fired tear gas.
Turns out they were just already crying.
tim pool
Oh my gosh.
And it was their love for the fellow man that granted them superpowers.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's what it was.
ryan long
So I'll tell you the one last thing that, this is a joke, but I said that, And what happens at the Women's March is they all march from one side of the city, and halfway through they forget something and go back.
tim pool
And that's it?
They gain superpowers?
ryan long
They all forget something, and at the end it was their superpowers.
And I donated money to the Women's March.
I hope they find a cure.
unidentified
So do you see the Wemixin thing with Twitch?
ryan long
No, tell me about this.
tim pool
Twitch put out a video where they were like, we want all Wemmickson to be supported.
ryan long
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, of course.
tim pool
And the left got really mad.
ryan long
Yeah, they got fired up and then they issued an apology being like, our bad.
tim pool
Yeah, we didn't realize that, you know, calling you Wemmickson, we thought it was inclusive.
ryan long
You're making this very hard to pander to you right now.
tim pool
No, but think about that.
Think about, they're like, okay, we're gonna make a movie.
We want to get feminists and women to come watch.
So let's do the hero's journey.
And they're going through the script, and they're like, let's make it very much like Captain America.
Everyone loved that one.
Well, we can't make her weak.
Correct.
Like Steve Rogers was a scrawny, weak guy in the beginning.
Okay, well, we'll just have her be strong.
But how do we then establish her journey?
Amnesia.
She's always strong, but she has amnesia.
That's what they did.
That's the movie.
That's the movie.
And then they do this thing where they're like, okay, what's her conflict?
ryan long
Her Achilles heel, $5,000 purses.
I think that's her kryptonite.
tim pool
The men keep telling her to control her emotions.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
That's the movie.
She's always strong.
She gets amnesia.
And then the guy says you're too emotional.
And at the end, she like uses her emotions and says something like I
can do whatever I want, I guess.
But so the point I'm making is.
They could not make a flawed female character out of fear that they'll
get ripped apart by the woke left.
Like, look, you say Wimix and thinking you're pandering to them and
you're actually insulting them.
There's no right way to address.
ryan long
I think the trans people got kind of fired up about that one too.
unidentified
They did.
lydia smith
Understandable.
tim pool
Well, Count Dankula had probably the best response.
He said, imagine fighting your whole life to transition and to be considered a woman, and then these woke corporations just come out and tell you you're not.
And then all these woke leftists were like, Dankula redemption arc?
And he's like, no, I've always felt that way.
Stop acting like it's a different opinion.
ryan long
But then he did show the second video of his dog.
tim pool
Let's jump to the next segment where we can talk about the ramifications of social justice stuff.
And this will probably be a little bit more outside your wheelhouse, but I'm sure you'll still be able to make fun of them, Ryan.
So over in Virginia, The new law banning police from pulling over Virginia
drivers solely for certain car safety violations Officers can also not stop people if they smell marijuana.
So in Virginia, they passed new legislation taking effect Monday
So I believe I believe it what it's it's already taken effect
Will make it harder for authorities in Virginia to pull over drivers
Several minor infractions, while still illegal, can no longer be the primary reason police stop you while you're driving.
These include certain defective equipment, objects dangling from your rearview mirror, loud exhaust, tinted windows, and smelling marijuana, to name a few.
An expired inspection or registration sticker can only get you pulled over.
However, it has to be at least four months late.
The legislation lists more changes here.
Maybe we can pull these up and see what they got going on.
Social justice advocates say this is a win.
I think it's a first step.
It's a huge first step, said Brad Haywood, founder and executive director of Justice Forward Virginia.
Haywood said these violations have long been used to stop people for drug investigations and disproportionately target people of color.
Well, I think it's it's it's I'm not going to read this whole law.
I don't know.
There's a whole bunch of crazy stuff in it.
I do think it's kind of absurd.
The cops can't pull people over now because the original proposal was it was like Black Lives Matter protesters were saying they just pull over people of color and they use it as excuses.
I think cops use things as excuses.
I've had cops pull me over.
I had a cop pull me over once, and as soon as, like, I rolled the window down, I put my, you know, my keys and wallet on top of the dash, I put my hands on the steering wheel, I turn the radio off, he walks up, and the first thing the cop does is go, excuse me, OH!
Whoa!
Yeah, that's my cologne.
marijuana and I'm like I'm sorry yeah that's my cologne I'm like I'm no I I I
just got off work I was wearing my work jumpsuit from O'Hare and I worked a
double shift my car was full of Taco Bell wrappers which is maybe why he
thought he could get away with accusing me of smoking pot and magnet you and oh
totally no you know you don't understand what I mean full I mean like the ground
and the chair was a mound of Taco Bell I was like 19.
No, but he pulled me over and he was like, I smell pot.
And I was like, I don't smoke.
And he's like out of the car.
I got coughed.
They searched my vehicle and tried planting pot in my car.
Yeah, no joke.
So, I see stuff like this and I'm like, I understand, but it's also kind of crazy that someone could literally be smoking pot and the cop can't pull them over.
ian crossland
Well, if they see it, I think they still can, right?
tim pool
I guess, yeah, it's as if they smell marijuana.
But I mean, come on, if like, I grew up in Chicago, people smoked pot all the time and what do they call it, clam bake or hot boxing?
lydia smith
Hot boxing.
ian crossland
Push it a little bit of both.
tim pool
It depends on where you're from in the country.
Clam bake or hot boxing is when they close all the windows and then just the whole thing gets fogged up.
lydia smith
Yes, it is.
tim pool
And I'm like, okay, so the cop can't see anything.
It's just smoke, right?
So when they open, he says, I saw smoke.
They'll be like, well, what kind of smoke was it?
ian crossland
Well, they can probably bust you if you're there, and they walk up to the window now.
They just can't stop you.
So if, but when is a cop going to smell it driving as you drive by?
That's probably not very common, right?
tim pool
It can happen, bro.
You've never driven past a car and you're like, whoa!
Those guys are going at it.
Dude, dude, you can see people driving in the smoke coming out of their windows.
ian crossland
You can definitely see it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, but the bigger picture here is, Are we getting to the point where the sensitivities over the social justice stuff are getting to the point where like a cop can't pull someone over for literally breaking the law?
ryan long
It's obviously when you go to the extremes at any of these things.
I always used to say like in comedy because essentially there's like a war on noticing things.
A big thing that you don't talk about is like, oh, you know, women kind of do this more, guys kind of do this more, and you go, oh, it's interesting that black guys kind of do this or like, you know, whatever it is, like that's base level, but noticing things that, and then kind of, that's funny, right?
tim pool
Pattern discernment?
ryan long
Yeah, literally noticing patterns in your brain, right?
tim pool
You're admitting to being a bigot.
ryan long
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
So yeah, there's, there's a war, it's a war on noticing things where you go, but it's it's so manufactured and it's so fake and so this is what happens when it gets these things get taken to their extreme but i agree with you that the cops do do all that stuff put it this way i used to have really long hair like this guy and i i cut my hair and i've never been pulled over since i cut my hair
And when I had long hair like him, when I had long hair like him, twice at the airport, I was searched, my entire bag searched.
I was pulled over for no reason, lots of different times.
And since I've cut my hair 10 years ago, never happened again.
So, you know, they're one, of course they do.
And I've had cops do all sorts of crazy stuff.
tim pool
This is crazy.
Let me read this.
There's a quote.
Why should they be allowed to investigate people based on hunches when they have no evidence?
Why don't we expect them to actually get probable cause for drug possession or gun possession before they pull a car over, Hayward said.
I read that and I'm like, that's kind of like oxymoronic.
A hunch?
That's what probable cause is.
Like a reasonable, you know, like you have a reasonable, well, probable cause is that you have a reasonable suspicion that someone is doing something.
lydia smith
That'd be a hunch.
tim pool
It sounds like a hunch.
ryan long
You know, it's one of those things, like everything else, where Tim, you go, most people for a lot of the problems, we go, do you think it's bad that, you know, there's these bad cops pulling people over?
And you go, yeah.
And I think most people go, that's a problem.
And you go, what's the solution?
They go, cops can't pull anyone else over.
And you go, that's not what it is.
tim pool
That's totally reasonable.
ryan long
I wasn't saying that.
And you're like, road pops for the boys, dude.
Crack a pack of Modris because the boys are rocking out on the way to the cottage.
tim pool
I think, you know, we need a visual representation of this idea where it's like exactly what you said.
You know, it's kind of bad that, like, what does a statistic like, you know, one in a certain number of cops will do something?
Defund all police.
Abolish all the cops.
You know what I mean?
ryan long
It's always the logical extreme of, okay, we don't want this.
And I think so many things, like with the censorship and everything, it's the same problem.
You go, most people, if me and you were having a conversation, they go, that was kind of mean what that guy did, you know?
And we go, yeah, that was, you know, what was that guy doing at this party?
Calling that girl this or whatever.
tim pool
Right.
ryan long
And then, yeah.
And then, and then he's like, I agree.
And then the next day you found out he's like petitioning for laws that it's illegal to be mean at the party.
And you go, well, that's not right.
You know, people want to legislate their, what they consider their morality.
You know what I mean?
It's like people want the government to be legislating their moral principles.
And I think that's kind of, we don't all have the same moral principles.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So this actually happened in Lansing.
I'm assuming this is Michigan, right?
Yeah, I think so.
They passed something similar.
They say, So let me get this straight.
You've got this happening in Michigan.
You got it in Virginia.
They say the new guidelines are consistent with department's goal of protecting citizens' rights
while eliminating any aspect, inferred or otherwise, of bias-based traffic policing practices.
So let me get this straight. You've got this happening in Michigan, you got it in Virginia.
They're saying cops can't pull you over if your license plate is expired.
All right, that's kind of a problem.
I mean, you register your car for a reason, you're paying taxes, you're contributing.
So the issue I have here, well, I wonder if the libertarians are all cheering.
ryan long
There's also the other element of making, you know, the most aggressive laws to force you into that position where you go, well, I don't know, like you're all of a sudden pro-cop.
And then they go, look at this guy, he's like Blue Lives Matter, dude.
It's like they pick these extreme positions that everyone's like, I mean, that's a little crazy.
And you're like, well, you know, they do it with, it's like with all the issues.
tim pool
The issue now is basically all they're really saying is you don't have to get your license plate renewed for four months.
So that's actually kind of fine.
I guess you get a four month buffer.
Then what's the point of putting the sticker on your plate?
Why bother going and getting a renewal if you know you can't get in trouble for it?
You can't get pulled over for it.
ian crossland
Could be like a COVID, like, we're not gonna make, just like a little buffer that in case people can't afford to get their license renewed or something.
tim pool
But see, the point is, cops are supposed to just give you a warning.
So, well, not supposed to, but I think, I think they should be supposed to.
So when my plate expired, On my car when I was like 19, the one full of Taco Bell wrappers.
It was a different time.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
I got pulled over.
ryan long
The clam magnet.
tim pool
Yeah, totally, dude.
You have no idea.
When those ladies saw the Taco Bell, they were like, Ooh, is that Taco Bell?
unidentified
No, no.
ryan long
They were like, I'm about to unwrap my taco.
tim pool
The amount of wrappers in your car must be clearly $10,000 worth of Taco Bell.
ryan long
Oh, this guy's ballin', dude.
I don't need rims.
I don't need rims.
tim pool
I got the wrappers from Taco Bell.
ryan long
No, but- Are you Tim Bell?
tim pool
When I got pulled over, the cop walked up to the car and he said, uh, your plates are expired.
And I was like, aw, for real?
I was like, I don't know, man.
I'm like, I was like, I just got the car.
I have no idea how this works.
And he went, no problem.
Just go get it fixed.
ryan long
Dude, I've had nine burritos today.
tim pool
I can't deal with this right now.
unidentified
I was like, officer!
tim pool
Oh, I ate too much Taco Bell!
unidentified
It's coming!
tim pool
No, no, no.
He just walked up and he was like, get it updated.
And I was like, alright, thanks man.
And then I got pulled over again like a week later.
And the same thing happened.
A cop walked up and he goes, you know, license, insurance, and he goes, your license plate's expired.
And I said straight up, I was like, yeah man, I just had a warning from a cop.
And, you know, he told me to get registered.
So I went to the thing.
I got it filled out.
I guess it's coming soon.
And he went, okay, have a nice day.
I suppose that's the kind of story where you hear these progressive leftists being like, when I got pulled over for an expired plate, they gave me a warning, or when I was going 120 in a 35 school zone, they gave me a slap on the wrist.
ian crossland
Speeding is different.
ryan long
Yeah, they're like, I killed a guy, and no one even knows yet.
A black guy does it, and you go, what?
ian crossland
You killed a guy?
tim pool
No one even knows.
ian crossland
Like, if you get pulled over for speeding and your license is expired, then you're in trouble, in my opinion, if your license plate's expired.
But if you just are The speeding is dangerous.
Speeding can kill people.
I think you should always, the cops should be very diligent about pulling over people for speeding.
tim pool
So I think, like, I don't know, you made the point really well.
You say, hey, isn't it kind of bad that sometimes cops pull people over for BS reasons?
You're right.
Cops shouldn't be allowed to pull anyone over.
That's like a really extreme, crazy thing.
But the issue I have with a lot of these stories, from a scientific perspective, is when, like, lived experience is not science, you know?
Were you following the Smith College thing that happened recently?
ryan long
Will Smith went to college.
unidentified
James Franco style.
tim pool
They're rebooting Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield.
It's with Will Smith this time.
So there's a school where there was this black woman and she was in an unauthorized area of the university eating.
So the janitor was told if anybody goes in there just call the security.
Security got called they went there and they asked her the cop was just like, you know What's going on and she was like I'm eating and she's like shaking and filming him and it was like, okay, you know Sorry to bother you just you know, we're supposed to have anybody in here But it's fine if you're here and then she claimed it was this big like super racist moment Yeah So the New York Times wrote an article saying it was a moment when her lived personal truth was at clash with the facts The New York Times actually wrote that so the problem I have is How do we know, you know, if like someone's, when someone says, I get pulled over for no reason.
It's like, the difficult thing is there's no control, right?
We can't send one car down a rope, the same cop.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And then with like, with like an Asian driver and then a black driver and a white driver, and then see which one gets pulled over.
ryan long
And there's multiple factors.
Like some girls think that I'm like, you know, like an Asian girl or whatever.
And she's like, Oh, you're being mean to me.
Cause I'm Asian.
And I'm actually just being mean to her.
Cause she's a woman.
You never really know.
Right.
tim pool
You're just trying to find ways to be offensive, and no matter what point you make, right?
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
You're like, let me offend as many people as possible on this show.
ryan long
You have to understand when I did say that, I meant wom-ex-en.
I'm wondering if the X is pronounced like a Y. I think it's pronounced X-X-X-en.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, even worse.
ryan long
Triple X. Triple X-en, which is Hunter Hurst Elms, or no, that's triple H. Okay, stop it.
Get out of here.
They say it's pronounced... The X is pronounced... You're supposed to... It's the two arms and there's a socket under... That's the under contact.
That's a subtext.
They don't want you to know that.
tim pool
Well, apparently the word... That's the X factor.
The word's offensive to everybody.
So everybody's offended by it.
ryan long
But no, you can't like if you're everyone's had those experiences and you go and it kind of goes to why I mean, I was saying the other day that like, there's a lot of people that their Fox News when it's agrees with them and their their CNN when it doesn't like, for example, if you say someone will go, okay, that different racial groups have different crime more, right?
And they'll be like, obviously, that's because of the system.
And you go, okay, well, then why do guys go to jail less than women?
And they go, well, that's because women are less violent.
And You legitimately switch between being Fox News and CNN based on whether it's the group that you care about.
tim pool
It's because guys are more violent.
ryan long
Yeah, well, exactly, right?
I mean, and you go, obviously, a lot of these things are a mix of, they're all multivariable things, but nuance is difficult and takes a lot of energy, and it's not very good for activism.
Oh, it's banned, too.
tim pool
It's not allowed.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, there's, like, legit scientific conversations are very, very hard to have on YouTube, because they'll try and get you banned for talking about actual scientific studies.
They'll argue the studies themselves were fake or bigoted or paid off, and it's like, So which paid-off study do you pick, I guess?
It's all political.
ryan long
I kind of have that same mentality sometimes when it's like, oh, you can't talk about this because you're a man or whatever it is.
And I go, all right, give me a list of things that I'm not allowed to talk about and let's avoid those subjects because I'm not about to hear you just listen to you speak and be like, zip it up.
tim pool
That's basically what they do.
ryan long
There you go.
Oh, you're not allowed to talk on this one.
It's like, I guess let's move on then because that doesn't sound very interesting to me.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story about Amazon and cancel culture.
And my friends, thank you for tuning in to the show tonight.
And I'm pretty sure this segment is going to get us in trouble because the Internet is stupid.
It's very, very stupid.
And just take a look at this story from the New York Post.
Amazon tweaks app icon after comparisons made to Hitler.
What psychotic person?
Hold on, hold on.
I'm not saying the people who thought this cardboard box with tape on it looked like Hitler are psychotic.
I'm saying the person who worked at Amazon saw someone complaining that your box looks like Hitler, so they immediately rushed to the graphic department and said, quick, change it, change it.
That person's a psychopath.
They should have been like, when crackpots on the internet start screaming that the moon is made of cheese, we don't entertain them and write books about it and make sure they get it.
ryan long
Can we get a picture of it?
tim pool
Of the yeah, can we get a picture? Oh, yeah, it's up right now. Okay, you just can't see it. You want to see it?
unidentified
Yeah, I want to see it I don't know how it does look like it's got to pull up on
tim pool
your phone. I can't spin it It's the hair we're looking that
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, it's look. Oh because I thought to me that looks like michael jordan when he had the hitler mustache
That's why michael jordan had hitler mustache. You guys don't remember that? No
I know you think i'm joking because i've been saying a lot of fake things this episode
But michael jordan, he did a whole commercial campaign and everyone's like why do you have a hitler mustache?
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was like a thin mustache.
tim pool
What?
ryan long
No, you're thinking of when he had the lip, like the cool black guy, like where it's just like the tiniest line of hair.
No, no, no.
tim pool
He's just like right in the middle.
ryan long
Dude, he was just like, fuck, you know, screw it.
I can bring it back, dude.
I'm Michael Jordan.
ian crossland
And if anyone could.
tim pool
I see Michael Jordan, but so the New York New York Post writes Amazon has changed its new smartphone app logo after critics said the earlier Incarnation was a dead ringer for Adolf Hitler dead ringer dead ringer dead ringer.
ryan long
No joke.
They literally did look at this one guy Let me see if I can pull I'm trying not to make a few different jokes right now to keep it in right?
tim pool
Okay, so Alex, Alex, you get me going on the Alex turn is a UK tech editor for the Guardian and he
tweeted lmao I completely missed that Amazon quietly tweaked its new
icon to make it look Less like Hitler and then some responded
Well, I mean to see Hitler's mustache in a ripped scotch tape
One must really think of Hitler all the time because I still don't see all that resembly
The internet is too exaggerated and everything.
And someone responded, it's not just ripped scotch tape, it's a ripped scotch tape that has a similar shape and is right on top of a smiling mouth.
Looks like a happy little cardboard Adolf to me.
Somebody responded with a really funny tweet.
They said, yes, yes, the image of the smiling, happy-go-lucky Hitler is why everyone thinks so.
ryan long
What if they compromise and they say they'll make it look less like Hitler, but still a little bit like Hitler?
tim pool
Somebody made this picture.
ryan long
Like, we don't want it to obviously not at all look like Hitler.
ian crossland
Do you have the Daily Mail picture?
I mean, it's a picture of Hitler scowling.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Somebody made a picture.
You can't see it unless you get up.
lydia smith
You can get up and look at it.
tim pool
Be careful with your headphones.
Be careful with your headphones.
So somebody created this image.
ryan long
That's a Simpson Hitler.
tim pool
This guy John Evans, it's John 3 Vans on Twitter said no excuses here.
This is amazing.
ryan long
That's a bit much.
They're crossing the line.
Yeah.
tim pool
Smiling Hitler.
It could have been Charlie Chaplin.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
Why didn't Amazon say it was Charlie?
ryan long
I thought it was weird that they changed Google's address to google.ss.
tim pool
I mean, that was a bit much.
lydia smith
But they also changed their motto, yeah.
They're being evil now.
ryan long
So, googles.com.
tim pool
This is the world we get to inhabit.
ryan long
I'm so excited.
tim pool
Who complained about this?
Who cared about... It's the same people that shot the stonks to the moon.
ryan long
Do you think it was a pro-Hitler person that was like, this looks too much like Hitler and I don't need Amazon besmirching the Great Ones?
tim pool
I would never have thought it.
Yeah, never!
ryan long
I don't know who... Hitler would not be allowing you to use his image to sell stuff to a certain group of people.
tim pool
So, was it you who said that?
unidentified
If you hear the dog... If you hear a dog whistle, you're a dog.
tim pool
You're a dog.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you hear dog whistles all the time, I'd imagine.
unidentified
You see it... Yoink!
He's like, baby!
ryan long
I mean, we're all sort of trained to hear all the things right now.
So it's like, yes, if you start, I think whatever you pay attention to, of course, but as soon as you get into that game where it's like, I'm going to look for everything bad.
It doesn't mean you're bad, but it does mean you're looking for it.
lydia smith
Ryan, it's like saying that's what she said.
Once you start, you can never stop.
So once you start looking for white supremacy in Hitler, you can never stop.
And I think that's kind of what's happened to these people.
I think they're kind of losing it.
tim pool
Did you guys see RuneGate?
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Negative.
tim pool
So this is another good example of just like how stupid and insane everybody is.
So the CPAC stage is, what is it, the Conservative Political Action Conference?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
They said, looks like the Nazi, what is it called, an Odal rune or something?
lydia smith
Yeah, a Nordic rune.
tim pool
Have you seen this?
It's like a diamond and then it goes like out and there's like little wings, I guess.
ryan long
I feel like every three months they go, look at this, kind of looks like, you know, they've had a few superhero things where they said, oh, the thing looks too much like the SS stage.
lydia smith
Yeah.
The eagle.
ryan long
The imagery.
People are always kind of saying the imagery looks like Nazi.
ian crossland
And the Nazis took the swastika from like a Hindu.
It's a Hindu religious icon.
The Odal rune is like an ancient Celtic Nordic thing.
ryan long
Second worst thing they did.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Seized the Odal Room.
ryan long
Stealing.
I'm a comedian.
tim pool
We'll see how much YouTube allows you to get away with all of it.
We got in trouble though before, right?
ryan long
Tim, I don't want to talk about my personal problems that I've had with the great corporation Google.com, which you called them Goobles, not me.
lydia smith
I was killing something Tim would do, yeah.
ryan long
And if the people at Google are listening, I appreciate y'all.
lydia smith
I love you guys.
ryan long
So I just want to get rid of those strikes.
tim pool
So apparently CPAC is getting cancelled.
ryan long
What?
tim pool
Like, I mean... I mean CPAC was already pretty cancelled, dude.
ian crossland
Did you see the Star Spangled Banner?
tim pool
No, hold on, hold on.
ian crossland
We gotta talk about that.
tim pool
I don't mean that they're like shut down, I mean...
You're saying culture cancelled?
Like, they're getting attacked.
Apparently the hotel wrote a strongly worded letter saying like, we can't believe that they used this for CPACs like Christmas to these people.
lydia smith
It really is, yeah.
ian crossland
Welcome back, everybody.
I think we just got booted and returned back?
Yeah.
tim pool
Some people might not have even noticed because it may have just like stuttered and then heard you say, welcome back.
ian crossland
Yeah, we had a little blink on the internet.
tim pool
You can hear that chime.
Yeah.
But we have redundancy set up because, you know, they try to keep us down.
ian crossland
It's two days in a row!
ryan long
Are we back right now?
lydia smith
We are back.
tim pool
We're recording the whole time.
ryan long
Guess who's back?
lydia smith
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
Unnecessary.
unidentified
Nope.
None of that.
ian crossland
The CPAC stage is a convenient shape for a stage.
ryan long
I will say that I don't agree with those bad things you said about Google and the cameras were down.
The gamer words again.
ian crossland
I don't know whether to complain about the corporate response to these accusations or to complain about the girls' performance of the Star Spangled Banner.
ryan long
No, why was that?
ian crossland
Oh my god.
So many different keys.
She just kept changing keys.
And there's a video of a guy trying to play piano along with it.
tim pool
Look at Simon over here.
Simon Cowell.
ian crossland
Dude, you gotta watch it.
tim pool
Judging this woman's singing.
ian crossland
It's so bad.
It's so funny.
ryan long
Totally didn't vote for her.
unidentified
Oh my god.
ian crossland
No, I gave her the X. I gave her the odal rune.
ryan long
I mean, this girl's career wasn't like skyrocketing if she's doing the CPAC anthem.
tim pool
Listen, listen, listen.
ian crossland
What the heck?
tim pool
Conservatives are not cool.
lydia smith
Nope.
tim pool
That's, that's, that's always been a big problem.
But, but, I say but to all the conservatives who are watching.
I, I realize something with like all of this cancel culture stuff and like going back to some of the earlier stuff we were talking about.
Ryan, have you ever watched like, what, what, what is that God flicks called?
lydia smith
Uh, pure flicks.
tim pool
Pure flicks?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
You ever watch like those old Christian versions of movies and like conservative versions of like TV shows and stuff?
Yeah.
It's like really low quality and just like really poorly acted.
Yeah.
It's inverting.
Now we're getting, like, conservatives are starting to make content, and it's getting better.
ryan long
Okay, I watched Bill O'Reilly interview the insane clown posse.
unidentified
When?
tim pool
When was that?
ryan long
Ten years ago.
lydia smith
So cool.
ryan long
And he was saying the exact same thing that these people were saying.
He goes, you know, this is harmful words to kids.
You know it's everything that they were saying this shouldn't be available we need all of the stuff and it was 100% flipped and you know the insane and they were like you know you're teaching your kids to you know do all these bad things and the insane clown posse who you said you're a big Juggalo fan on your off time.
But they were kind of like, no, these people aren't as stupid as you.
Like, that's it.
You're just looking for the worst thing.
Just the same way when they go, oh, look at some right-wing guy.
And they go, look at this thing you said.
And you go, you're just trying to find something.
Like, that's not really what they're about.
tim pool
I was trying really hard to remember the lyrics to Halls of Illusion, because I was going to sing it.
I honestly couldn't remember it.
ryan long
Do you know F the World?
I could sing that.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
Who's a bigger J-Lo?
tim pool
No, you know, Halls of Illusion I thought was actually a good song when I was a kid.
ryan long
Dude, when I was in grade six, a little skateboard kid, when they came out, and they go, in this one song, I say F 93 times.
unidentified
I was like, you're pretty, you're pretty cool.
tim pool
Here's the point I want to make, right?
I'm imagining like, there was a channel in Chicago that was like the Christian channel, and they had a bunch of cartoons that were very hokey and just not good storytelling.
ryan long
So bad.
tim pool
But it was the religious message.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
It was like the religion behind it made it good no matter what.
I think about, like, the Static Shock thing, where they're making him get his powers at Black Lives Matter, and it's like watching, when I was a kid, watching these Christian cartoons with, like, you know, like, Christian man, and it's like, he got his powers from reading the Bible and praying properly.
And I'm like, you know what's substantially cooler than that version of Static Shock?
Jack Posobiec's Agent Poso.
lydia smith
Yes!
So much cooler.
ryan long
It's tongue-in-cheek, it's like self-deprecating almost, where they're kind of mocking the idea So Jack, this isn't as many lines like you can like, listen, no one likes to watch things when they know it's like really being colored in the lines.
And there's just, there's no transgression on it.
And that could be like artistic, that could be political, whatever it is.
So when you completely know exactly what you're getting, and you know why you're getting it, it's, it's less desirable to watch.
And you know, it doesn't catch cultural heat.
And that's why all of these places are having trouble like manufacturing the energy to get people to like their things.
tim pool
Well, I also think that it's like... It's what you were saying earlier.
You're allowed to give me one teaspoon of propaganda for every, like, cup of entertainment or whatever.
But what happens is... The problem with giving more propaganda is... The feeling I get is I'm watching something and I want to be entertained.
If I'm mostly just getting smacked over the head with a lesson, well, then I would rather watch, like, reruns of American Gladiators and listen to Bill Hicks scream in my ear about how I'm, you know, an idiot for doing it.
But it's more entertaining than watching, like, religious content.
Look, I'm not trying to rag on religious people, but I gotta tell you, when I was growing up and I saw these, like, I went to Catholic school, and they would play these cartoons where it was just, like, you know, just not good storytelling.
But it was the ideology behind it.
ryan long
Well, it comes back to the idea where you go, okay, what would it take for you, you know, if someone has a belief, like let's say they're a huge fan of a sports team and you go, what would it take for you to change sides, like to not be a Yankees guy?
If they lost, like if they didn't make the playoffs 50 times, whatever it was, and they go, nothing, I'm to the death.
And you go, okay, so I don't really need your take on them then, do I?
ian crossland
Yeah.
ryan long
And I think that's what all this stuff is.
If you go, you're so in it, it's, you know, to the death, and I'm ride or die with this ideology.
tim pool
What if, what if we're completely wrong about the static shock thing, and it turns out that the villains were all Black Lives Matter supporters, and the villains are Antifa, and we're just, like, we're totally wrong?
ryan long
I mean, I gotta see the movie to, yeah.
tim pool
Comic.
Comic.
ryan long
To what?
tim pool
It's a comic.
ian crossland
I think they should run with that idea.
That's the best that I can think of.
Just sprinkle some dangers.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, it's probably going to be that the bullies were at a pro-Trump counter-rally.
ian crossland
And the cops will be bad.
Just sounds terrible.
tim pool
But why would the cops tear gas the Trump guys in the same comic?
The comic's trying to make the cops bad guys.
The cops would have to protect the Trump supporters.
How did the bullies get superpowers?
ryan long
Were you reading this?
Have you read the comic yet?
tim pool
Just the ones they showed.
ryan long
Would you hate read it?
tim pool
No, I would legit just read it.
ryan long
That is the one thing of all of the, you know, you could make fun of this group or that group and people get mad at you.
I did a comic sketch recently where I had three different comics.
That's their culture.
I don't know if you saw it.
tim pool
The superheroes one?
ryan long
Yeah, youtube.com slash ryanlongcomedy.
No, but I got probably the most people mad ever that I included different heroes from different universes.
Gamers are the number one lobby right now.
tim pool
Because you had Captain America on the flash.
ryan long
And then I had them all fly.
Dude, people were fired up.
unidentified
Hold on.
ryan long
Do you want to know the actual truth, and this is what happened, was sometimes it ain't, like, it wasn't even me being stupid, I go, I looked at Amazon to buy costumes, and I was like, those were the three that kind of looked the best.
tim pool
You put Captain America and the Green Lantern together.
ryan long
And they all fly.
tim pool
No one cares about you offending minorities or whatever.
ryan long
No, no, people were fired up about that.
Cancel Ryan Long, they're saying.
tim pool
Okay, okay, well hold on, hold on, let's think for a second.
ryan long
Ryan Long, cancel party.
tim pool
Ryan Long was the flash.
The Flash could spin his arms really, really fast to create wind pressure to fly.
He theoretically could do it.
ryan long
Where were you in my comment section?
tim pool
Green Lantern can just legit fly, so you're good there.
And Captain America... Tony Stark gave him a repulsor for his shield, and it allows him to fly.
Yeah, I think so.
Tim's got you back.
Now it is canon.
ryan long
But it is, I mean, so much of this stuff, because even like I see how fired up you are about this story, like it all kind of goes back to the gate.
How many people say that Gamergate is kind of the, you know, the pinnacle of the whole thing?
But it's like the one thing that they're like, we can't have this one thing.
And like, it's like, okay, fine.
All your commercials are this.
Okay.
All the movies are this.
And they're like, we want to take your comics and make them this too.
And everyone's like, you've gone too far.
tim pool
Well, it started with games and there was a meme of a guy in a military suit with like a feminist tied up.
And he says, why did you make me do this?
I just wanted to play video games.
Like the point they were making, rather extreme, is like, if you just leave our video games alone, we didn't care what you were doing politically.
ryan long
Dude.
Of course!
I just wanted to play video games, now I'm campaigning for Trump.
tim pool
That's the meme, I just wanted to play video games.
So the issue is, I think a lot of this started because when the blog era began, there was this pressure among these low-talent, midwit writers to produce content every single day.
ryan long
If you write for a video game website... And it was the way to get publicity too.
tim pool
Well right, so check it out.
You come out with a comedy special, and I write for a comedy website.
I can only write about your special one time!
So what they do is, when a video game comes out, the video game bloggers would write about the game, write about its release, write tips and tricks, and then say, now what?
What do we write about?
No games are getting released.
We can't just have the website be dead.
I can.
Oh, there was a guy in the game and he was, he said, um, yeah, he said big in reference to a woman.
Ooh, that's fat phobic.
ryan long
Definitely the content, the necessity for pounds and pounds of content, you know, contributed to, I mean, he cited the blog generator where they just go, there's a, uh, transphobia problem in Yeah, whatever it is.
tim pool
He throws a dildo at the wall, and it sticks to it.
ryan long
No, that's the old Vice thing.
That's old Vice.
Mine's the new blogs all together.
ian crossland
It is so good.
You stick the things on the wall, and it's Ryan Long comedy.
tim pool
So basically, you have a formula.
What was the formula?
ryan long
Blank has a blank problem.
And then if you want to get, if you want to snazz it up, yeah, if you want to snazz it up, you can.
But I included all the articles that actually exist and then some guy made the generator and put it online and it was pretty funny.
tim pool
So basically you can pick any word, like any social justice word.
ian crossland
But they do it, yeah.
ryan long
And they really do it and they'll find anyone, and then you go reverse, right?
Like there's a racism problem in the gay community, there's a gay problem in the black community.
And they just do the whole thing over and over and over again.
So it's a big part of that, like with the content thing.
But then I think also there's this idea that it starts with the thing, but it becomes about making you agree to something.
So that's kind of like, you know, let's say the trans thing, right?
So it's always became...
They go, a lot of people, you know, why did five comedians all have their specials about trans stuff, right?
And they go, why do you guys care so much about this?
And I was kind of having this argument about something that I could have this argument about anything.
So I was talking about Fall Out Boy, the band, and this girl goes, So Followed Boy is a boy band, and I go, they're not really a boy band.
Like, they're just kind of a band.
Like, I don't like them.
Yeah, and I was like, a boy band, I think like Backstreet Boys, you know, whatever, having this argument.
And before I know it, I'm like, dude, they're not a, you know, I'm getting all fired up.
And then it becomes like, yo, why do you care about Followed Boy so much?
I go, I don't care about Followed Boy.
You're making me say something that isn't true.
lydia smith
Right.
ryan long
And that's kind of a lot of this stuff gets there and you get fired up and then they go, what do you care about this thing?
I go, I don't care about this thing.
tim pool
Well, that's the thing, like, so, I tweeted about Potato Head, because AP said, like, Mr. Potato Head is now regular Potato Head, and then everyone was like, it's gender neutral!
And I just tweeted, how is, this is stupid, like, how is he even gendered anyway?
Because his name is Mr.?
Like, that's so dumb.
I don't even care about the story!
But then some article took my tweet to claim that I was an outraged conservative!
unidentified
Right.
ryan long
Yeah, you go further.
tim pool
And I'm like I didn't care about this. You know what so I decide you know I'm gonna do from now on
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I'm just going to tweet the opposite And so I just tweeted I demand a gender-neutral potato head
and then when when Hasbro tweeted out So do you see the tweet you go further you see the tweet
from Mark Dice where he responded to it saying it's time for
Republican states to secede so in response to potato head story
He tweeted and then all the leftists were like they've gone crazy
So when Hasbro announced that they didn't actually get rid of mr. Potato head I tweeted it's time for Democrat states
to secede HAHAHA
So it's like, call me right wing then, just whatever.
So now I just decided... Yeah, you're messing with them.
I'm just, you know, Michael Malice tweeted because we had Ethan Suplee on the show and then he tricked Lydia into bringing him up.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
ryan long
To what?
tim pool
He texted Lydia and he was like, talk about me.
lydia smith
Yeah, he did.
tim pool
It worked.
I learned from the best, Michael.
I learned from him how to tweet properly.
Because his tweets are always, you can't tell.
lydia smith
They're very opaque.
tim pool
Yeah, you don't know what he's saying.
ryan long
Yeah, he's sort of, in a lot of times, is wrapping logic into weird places too, right?
tim pool
Is it good?
Is it correct?
The easiest example to explain to people is when Trump would tweet something, he would
say, we don't deserve him.
So you don't know if he's for or against Trump.
ian crossland
I think neutral comedy is the best.
And what was that guy's name?
ryan long
Eddie Murphy.
ian crossland
Eddie Murphy.
No, no, the dude, Kaufman.
Andy Kaufman.
I mean, people didn't know if it was real or fake.
And I think that's the most, because so many, sad to say, stupid people that are bathing in stupidity think it's real, which is funny to me.
But it's also, I think, can be dangerous.
tim pool
It is.
ryan long
It depends on the time and place.
I was just, the Kaufman thing makes me laugh, because I watched the Comedy Store documentary.
And it's so funny, like, to go back and how much things are romanticized.
Like, even comics, like, they're like, oh, this guy was such a killer, but what you don't remember is how much they bombed at the time.
But I was watching the Jim Carrey on the Comedy Store documentary, and they go, He goes, before every, you know, when he did a bad gig, he would go sit in the piano and then close the piano and he goes, I won't come out of the piano until the, you know, until I've had my punishment and the show's over.
Then he would get out of the piano and I go, if any of my friends did that, I would be like, I am done with this loser.
Like, can you imagine how annoying that would be if Ian had a bad show and he goes, I need to punish myself by sitting in the thing and I'm gonna be in the fridge all night and you'd be like, alright, we need to deal with this Ian guy.
But then in the history books, they write it as like, Ian was such a, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was so in his head, but at the time he'd just be like the biggest eye roll in history.
Anyone doing that nonsense?
But that's why I mean, a Kaufman's great, but I bet you a lot of the things people were probably just like, can you Saturday Night Live in general is definitely romanticized.
tim pool
I always hear about people saying, like, remember when Saturday Night Live was good?
And I'm like, no.
ryan long
They just remember their era.
Everyone's like, the era that they kind of, you know, connected with for a second, you know?
Like for me, I remember Sandler and Spade and those guys.
And yeah, if I look back, I go, I don't know, maybe people before thought it was that.
tim pool
Admit it, bro.
Lunch Ladyland is not funny.
ian crossland
Wayne's World was good.
tim pool
Lunch Ladyland was not funny.
ryan long
Lunch Ladyland?
tim pool
Yeah.
ryan long
Like Chris Farley?
tim pool
Adam Sandler.
ryan long
Sandler is playing the guitar and then everyone's there and Tracy Morgan's just standing there, I think, right?
I don't remember.
One of his originals?
Norm MacDonald's in it, that whole crew?
tim pool
I think so, yeah, yeah.
I don't know, I like that stuff.
ryan long
But I think that you have to...
I mean, maybe you were looking at the context at the time, but I think a lot of those things, looking at them after,
you don't realize that the point of it was how stupid it was, you know, in the context of what the comedy at the
time was.
You know, I think it feels kind of like a tick tocks all like random nonsense right now.
ian crossland
How willing are you to listen to this?
Because it's funny to me that you're actually paying money to listen to me snowball you with things I know aren't funny.
Like that's the comedy of Andy Kaufman in my opinion.
tim pool
I feel like SNL is actually starting to get a little bit more courageous.
I don't really watch it all that much, but they have done some bits where I'm like, I'm really surprised.
They don't want Cuomo.
I'm pretty sure they had Cuomo and they had, um, who else was in it?
lydia smith
Do you remember?
ryan long
It was called No Cuomo, and what happens is it's him and another guy, but it's chill.
tim pool
Someone else made that joke.
No, no, no.
They did a bit about Ted Cruz.
ryan long
No, they didn't.
I'm the first.
What did they say?
tim pool
So the Ted Cruz bit was like him being really weaselly and just agreeing with whatever they told him to say, and then he was wearing Cancun clothes or whatever.
A bunch of conservatives got mad and they were like, what are they gonna rag on Cuomo?
And then some liberals were like, that's the same sketch.
And then they put out the full clip and then you see Cuomo's there getting ragged for murdering
elderly people. So I was like, oh wow. But you know what, Democrats really hate Cuomo now for
whatever reason. It's like they got their orders, I guess, from the money.
ryan long
They 100% flipped on that guy. Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
It might be happening the other day.
He's out there. There's protesters right now. I guess outside like, yeah, office chanting resignation or whatever.
He's done I mean it was but let's be real it's because SNL was brave
enough to stand up to him that these these Democrats finally
ryan long
Potentially you might be I might be happening the other Would you do SNL Ryan if they offered it to you?
I've had conversations about doing that lots of that stuff, but I'm fairly
Not interested in general to take I mean I was in like traditional media my whole career in Canada
And when I came here, it's like I was pretty into doing the other thing
So that the same way that I'm saying these corporations and all that stuff like there's such a cost of that like right
now Who's all the best people they're all kind of doing their
own thing Like we're I think I'm making good things right now and
those like systems The money isn't a lot of times so much greater for all the nonsense you have to deal with, all the slowing you down.
And I think that maybe in 10 years I'd be, you know, let's do one of those.
But I think right now it's just, that would be like just ultimate like handcuffs.
tim pool
I also, I also feel like the comedy you put up on social media is standing on the line Of where you're poking, you're like, you're legit poking the censorship bear.
Whereas SNL would be like, pull it back, pull it back.
ryan long
But I'm, yeah, a hundred percent.
But I'm, and it's not like I don't have any lines.
Like when I'm making my things, I have my own perspective.
And you know, I think, try to be where it's funny.
I don't just try to, you know, just be like Sarah Silverman where she just says offensive things to make you angry.
That was like a style.
That was the hot thing back then.
But my point is I'm more concerned with, and I think that a lot of people, and even more so younger people than me, it's like the same, what you're doing.
I want to make my own SNL.
I ran my other TV shows.
I want to be SNL's competitor.
I don't want to join someone else's army machine that's been there for a hundred years and they have all these things they're beholden to.
ian crossland
You don't need Saturday night anymore.
The venues change.
It's now internet and it's static.
It can be any time, any day.
It can be ever-present.
This whole, like, let's all sit around on Monday night shows.
It's all done.
It's like done.
ryan long
Yeah, but I want to be Lorne Michaels, not, you know, the new guy on SNL right now.
ian crossland
Well, let's do it.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
I've got a ton of offers from a ton of companies.
And it's like, I wonder if people who like watch or listen to this show ever wonder why it is that TimCast.com is its own website and not a part of any one of these other political podcasting networks.
It's because I'm, you know, I'll be honest, I'm just smarter than all of them.
ryan long
And they haven't made an offer yet.
tim pool
And once they finally come and just give me anything, guys, please, I'll sign right away.
No, I've had a lot of conversation with some of these big networks, and I gotta tell you, I'm a bit of... I would swear right now, but we can't be family.
Yeah, me too.
I'm an arrogant prick.
Like, I've been straight up like... I was approached by one of the biggest podcast companies ever, like in existence right now.
ryan long
Last podcast on the left, fourth Mike, Tim Pool.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
No, no, no, I'm not talking about a podcast.
I'm talking about a network that produces them and then distributes them.
And they were basically like, we want to sign you.
It's going to be great.
Here's how much money you're going to make.
You're going to rival Ben Shapiro.
It's going to be the biggest show ever.
And I was like, wow.
I was like, look at all this.
ryan long
Did your hat have to get a little smaller?
tim pool
They told me I had to take the hat off.
And I was like, get out of here!
No, but I told them straight up.
So the general idea is there's a lot of interest in a moderate, left-leaning podcast because you have a lot of leftist podcasts, you have a lot of offensive humor podcasts, and you have tons of conservative talk radio.
And so they're like, we like the space you're occupying because there's definitely a market there.
And I said, straight up, if you get me a contract that is legitimate and fair and doesn't waste my time, I'll sign it.
But you know what they do in the entertainment industry?
Because you probably deal with this.
They send you the stock garbage contract that basically says, you work for us, you sign this over.
And I responded one time with, I will give you one more chance to send me a real contract offer.
ryan long
And he put the slap emojis in between the words.
tim pool
They say what I hear often is look it's standard business just send it to your
lawyer and I said have a nice day. You didn't want to get the lawyers involved.
The issue is if if you expect me to do business with you under the pretense
that I have to spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to fix your garbage
contract you're wasting my time and money so I don't feel comfortable doing
ian crossland
Dude, you're making millions of dollars being an independent contract, basically working for yourself.
Why would you ever, ever give that?
I understand Rogan, I guess.
I mean, $100 million is a lot of money, but...
I would never give up your creative freedom.
ryan long
You know, it's like he might've done, you know, whatever.
Everyone has their own reasons, but like right now where the energy is in making things and where the energy is in entertainment and especially comedy is not in the like mainstream platforms right now that are You know, have a bucket of problems there, which is kind of a, it's a fun way to look at it is every one of us, you know, in entertainment, when I was in music, same thing, you kind of are like, Oh, you don't want to sell out, right?
There's this idea that like, you want to kind of stay true and they're making it real, real easy to not sell out.
Cause you go, these places suck.
They don't even really want you to begin with.
So it's like, they're, you know, reluctantly giving you contracts just because you're popular.
So it's like, they're making it pretty easy to be like, yo, You know?
tim pool
They promise you everything and give you nothing.
And that's usually what it is.
ryan long
And so it's like... And then the other... Look, you make so much money, they go... These people, the only way to do it is to give them Rogan-style, where they drop a big bag at your cashier house because they're so late to the mark.
Look at these young guys, the Nelk Boys, Logan Paul, these guys.
It's like, if you want to get them to do anything, it's like, these guys have so much money.
lydia smith
It's too late.
ryan long
So what are you offering them?
tim pool
Exactly.
Tying their hands behind their back.
ryan long
No, the thing that they think they're offering you is like legacy, you know?
Like, yeah, but you get to go to the Oscars, you know?
tim pool
You get to be shift manager at a blockbuster.
It's 2003.
Things are going pretty good.
ryan long
They're essentially, you know, they're offering you the middle management position in Hollywood.
But you get to be pretty friggin' famous.
You'll meet Brad Pitt, more likely, you know?
All that kind of stuff.
So it's the legacy nonsense.
They want to give you the watch, right?
tim pool
I also think that our generation cares a lot less about that idea.
There's a lot of people who want that prestige.
But I'm like, look, I think Brad Pitt was amazing in Fight Club.
I think he's done a bunch of great movies.
I think he's got dumb politics.
If I met him, I'd say, oh, cool, dude.
Fight Club is an amazing, amazing movie.
And World War Z was cool.
And I think the Oceans movies were fun.
Nice to meet you.
ryan long
They're grandfathered in, Legacy.
You're not going to be grandfathered in.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
There's a lot of people that really thirst for that legacy attention.
ryan long
Of course.
It comes from insecurity.
It comes from, you know, being new to the game.
And it also comes from like, uh, people that have a need for like a dad, you know, a lot of people need a manager and they need parents to sort of, you know, give them approval and tell them what to do.
A lot of people can't be their own.
Like, what do you mean I'm going to be that?
Like, so I think that it comes from that too.
A lot of people need a boss.
tim pool
I'll tell you this.
I've gotten calls from some of the big, very obvious networks about signing.
And I just said.
I'll be honest, I'm starting a company that's going to be your competition.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're like, okay.
And I'm like, so I don't want to sign under you.
I'll get back to you in five years when I'm making you the same offer and I'm buying your company out.
Oh, smack down.
ryan long
He said that to the local Arby's chain.
tim pool
Let me tell you a story.
Let me tell you a story.
So I worked for Vice.
ryan long
How about you worked for my hot dog truck?
tim pool
You think I'm joking?
ryan long
No, you said that to Vice?
tim pool
Let me tell you a story.
So I once heard a story about, I was reading about Vice.
I worked at Vice.
I got flown out to Antalya, Turkey to party with the executives and the higher-ups.
And hung out with Shane sometimes, like a couple times.
Not like I was good friends with him or anything.
ryan long
Shane Dawson, you too.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
Not Shane Smith, the CEO.
But I read a story about how when they were up and coming, he went to this meeting with Viacom and he was walking around looking at the expensive paintings and checking out the furniture and everything as if he was expecting to have it and own it and buy it.
And his attitude was very much, I'm smarter, I'm better, I'm faster, and I'm going to buy you.
And then where did the guy end up?
Look, you can complain all day and night about Vice, but for a while, they were the cream of the crop in terms of digital media, and they were worth an obscene amount of money.
And then the dude cashed out.
ryan long
Probably still are, yeah.
Or he is, at least.
tim pool
Well, he cashed out.
He's rich forever.
And so I hear these stories, and I've just straight up been like, that's the attitude.
You're sure of yourself.
You don't gotta be a dick.
But you go into these meetings, and you're like, I know what I'm doing and I'm so confident what I'm doing.
I don't want your money.
I don't need your money.
In five years, I'll be all I will own your company.
ryan long
The first part of it's the hugest part, you know, you know what you want to accomplish and that's not always you can put in words.
sometimes it's energy, you know, you kind of know where you want to go.
Like you, what you want, Mark, you want to leave, like what you want to create,
what, what you, what energy you want to kind of leave on this world.
And, and you look at these places and they offer you things you go, I
don't think this helps really, you know, and sometimes it might, right.
And you might align, but right now.
It they're doing their best to make themselves unattractive to the top talent.
tim pool
Yep.
Come here.
You'll make a good amount of money, but you'll have no long-term prospects because we'll own the IP.
ryan long
And if you do anything, we can make you disappear.
With the cancelling stuff, with everything that's happening in the world, if I was coming out of college right now or high school, The obvious answer is you gotta start your own thing that you're gonna own, even if it's a small company.
Whatever you do, it should be your own thing because these jobs are too disposable.
The world changes too much.
You have to kind of create your own thing right now.
tim pool
Let's talk about Bill Burr in this context.
So we have this story from CBR.
The Mandalorian Bill Burr defends Gina Carano slams cancel culture.
Comedian, actor, and podcaster Bill Burr calls out the toxic nature of cancel culture and defends his fired Mandalorian co-star Gina Carano.
Well, good for him.
Absolutely.
But this story about Gina Carano exactly exemplifies what you were just saying about why take the risk.
You signed with one of these companies.
They could just snap their fingers and fire you because you said a word someone didn't like at some point, maybe in six months, maybe a year.
ryan long
Take it away as quick as they gave it to you.
tim pool
Yeah, and the problem is, let's say you sign a deal that says, like, maybe they're buying you out, or maybe they're like, okay, we're gonna buy your show, we'll own it, and we'll pay you this large sum of money, and it's like, here's the money up front for the show, and then you'll get X amount of dollars to continue producing the show as lead producer executive, and then they also have a morality clause where it says, if you do anything obscene, they could terminate you.
You're like, I got this really great deal, it's awesome, Let's be real, Joe Rogan, I'd have to imagine that Spotify has some control in that regard.
ryan long
Yeah.
Where they could, you know, be like, oh, look what you said, and you know, I don't want to necessarily, you know, talk about Joe's deal, because who the hell knows, but I think that all of this stuff, it's, they want to take this as just a given.
You know that old thing where it's like these people think they can just move chess pieces
around and you know people don't react to what happens.
But the truth is like I know people with normal jobs and they go there and they make them
sign the clauses about what they put on Twitter and what they put on Facebook and you go this
is people are starting to realize this when they get this.
Now the same way that if someone gives you a job and you go it's 50 miles away from my
house that's going to be a bit of a pain.
The same way you're getting a contract that says you know you can't be on Twitter you
So all it takes is for other companies to realize, like, there's monetary values on all of these things.
If I go, okay, I get 60 grand here for whatever, you know, my middle job or whatever, but I'm allowed to say whatever I want, or this place is offering, you know, 65 grand, but they kind of, is this five grand worth me?
tim pool
But a lot of people don't know this.
ryan long
I think people are starting to factor these things intrinsically.
The, you know, the level of what these places are asking for you.
They want you to act like you're the president to work at a friggin' bank.
tim pool
Well, let me read a little bit from Bill Burr to show you what he said.
For those unfamiliar, Gina Carano.
She was one of the stars on The Mandalorian, the Disney Plus show.
It's a Star Wars show.
And she posted on Instagram, the photo she used was of actual Nazi Germany, probably not a good photo to use.
But the context was, don't demonize your neighbors over their political views.
She didn't compare anybody to Republicans or anything like that.
ryan long
She actually just posted the Amazon logo.
tim pool
Yeah, it was just the Amazon logo.
But here's what Bill Burr said.
They said on the Bill Burtt podcast, he said she was an absolute sweetheart, super effing, super nice effing person.
Unless she did some truly horrible ish or said something over some overtly racist ish, he continued.
I don't know.
I think there is just too many channels and then you got to do sensational ish.
I don't know what the F it is.
I'm on that effing show.
Now I got to watch what the F I say.
I think that was, that was, that was actually great on Bill Burtt's part, but he represents the every man.
But that's the point.
They could cancel him for this.
They could cancel him for this.
He's probably got a morality clause in his contract that says, if you say something offensive, but who defines offensive?
So he comes to the fence of Gina Crono saying she was super effing nice.
Oh, give me two seconds for some woke leftists to get angry.
And then Disney is going to be like, Bill, you can't come out and defend this stuff.
And they're probably not going to do it, but they could, if they want to.
Who in their right mind would sign a dumb contract like that?
ryan long
Well, this is for him specifically.
He doesn't need these things.
And he's in the position of power a little bit, where if they go, oh, we kick him off this show, he goes, oh, whatever.
Okay, whatever.
It's the 10th thing I do.
You know what I mean?
So there's like a power dynamic when it stops being something you need and something that you could do or not do.
tim pool
There is a bigger issue there.
The cascade effect.
If he gets canceled from the show and then Disney issues a statement saying he defended racist comments and was extremely offensive and we had no choice, then other companies might be like, look, there's a backlash going on.
We don't want to absorb any of that.
ryan long
You know, not to just be like the complete, like free market or sorted out guy, but yeah.
And if that happens, the next generation of people like me and my friends are going to be like, no, don't take a job on those places, dude.
Do you remember what happened to Bill Burr?
tim pool
That's exactly what's happening right now.
That's exactly what we're saying.
This is why I don't sign any of these contracts.
I know that if I sign any of these deals with any one of these networks, it's a matter of time.
I don't even trust these conservative networks.
I don't think they would have your back if you said something truly believable.
ryan long
Even if they will right now, in this context of the culture war dynamic, what does that look like in a year and a half?
I don't know, man.
Things change pretty quickly.
tim pool
I mean, maybe... I would argue many of the conservative channels have much more integrity than many of the traditional Hollywood type stuff.
I just wouldn't sign those deals.
ryan long
Ideally, in my, you know, what I've kind of said, I like the idea of a non-partisan network to begin with.
Like, even when... Like, think about music.
It's kind of like, what you want is...
Like a guy that's like, hey, I don't really get it, but the kids seem to.
Not a guy that has a lot to say to you.
What you want is a network that's like, yep, people seem to be responding to this, it's funny, or, you know, Tim seems to have a big audience, people like it, we should get him on the, as opposed to- You want a person who's gonna be like, oh, so we host this one guy, the left hates him, he's really offensive, we don't know a whole lot about, you know, we don't care too much, it makes money for us.
tim pool
We do have this lefty guy in our network, though, and he does these things, the conservatives really hate him.
You want somebody who approaches it like a business.
ryan long
That's what I think that a lot of people, even the younger people, are kind of looking at it like that.
I don't care what your political values are.
tim pool
The bigger issue is when they're scared and it's a business.
They say, we don't want to lose half our customers because they're freaking out.
So, bye-bye.
ian crossland
Yeah, with Gina Carano, I didn't know who she was before the scandal, and Bill Burr is a superstar.
So like, they look at their bottom line, they're like, you know, we can afford to lose Gina, we can't afford to lose Bill.
ryan long
Well, Bill Burr is a comedy superstar.
He's not like an A-list Hollywood actor in that context.
I mean, you know, I don't know exactly what the hierarchy looks like, but it's the little world I live in, some of these people we go, oh, that's the biggest guy in the world.
tim pool
He swears a lot.
ryan long
Yeah, but Matt Damon walks in and everyone goes, oh.
Matt, you realize the difference?
tim pool
Isn't it the weirdest thing?
It's just like, why?
Who cares?
ryan long
Obviously who cares, but that's just the way the world is.
tim pool
This is a really interesting subject, because I don't think we talked with Ethan Splee about this specifically on the show, but we did briefly touch on it.
I wanted to get into this more, but this idea that the traditional idea of fame is over.
Because now you have HBO Max, I think it's called HBO Max, where they're doing simultaneous theater releases and streaming releases.
So people aren't going to go to the movie theaters for these big movies and spend 20 bucks per person anymore, for the most part.
They're gonna spend 20 bucks for the whole movie and then watch it with like 50 people at their house while they order pizza or whatever.
So why would someone cast Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, you know, who was the person you mentioned?
ryan long
Matt Damon.
One of those guys.
tim pool
One of the two brothers.
You booked them because you put their name on top of the movie, right?
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
And that way people see it in the marquee and they see it in the ads and they say, ooh, I want to go see this and they go to the theaters.
I think now that there's so many different streaming services, so many different movies coming out.
Like I mentioned, that one movie, Spiral, came out on Shudder.
It just came out.
I watched it.
It's not a blockbuster movie, but all the movies are basically being made equal at this point.
Sure, there'll be big marketing and big budget campaigns.
How did that work out for Wonder Woman?
Apparently, Wonder Woman, like, fizzled and made barely any money.
Because it was a streaming release.
ryan long
Yeah, and that's with me renting it 50 times.
tim pool
Yeah, I know, and I, you know, I signed up for 50 accounts to buy it because I just love Gal Gadot.
No, no, no, but seriously, why pay Gal Gadot, you know, $20 million to do a movie when you don't need her name on it because it's not going to do that well anyway?
ryan long
Yeah, especially when they've lost like Hollywood mastered their star making formula, you know, the way that certain labels have in the past or whatever, like they were able to make her and then, you know, sign her to these contracts, and it was all part of the system.
So they bring people in and they make them, you know, the next Gal Gadot, whatever it is, right?
But they're doing everything in their power to, like, ruin their vouch and their star system.
So when I go back to the younger kids, and I think me and you are around the same age, so we're in the middle, there's a lot of young people right now that they've mastered.
They have these huge Instagram accounts, huge YouTube channels.
tim pool
TikTok.
ryan long
They know how to make another guy.
So like, you know, I talked about the Nelk boys, you know, I just think those guys are interesting,
but they literally brought another guy in, brought him, got him to a million followers,
got his channel to a million followers.
Then they're like, we should start a management company.
They basically mastered star making the same way that Hollywood has.
tim pool
So- Just call it.
ryan long
At the same time, Hollywood's wrecking their star making because they go, check out this comic.
They're so funny.
And everyone goes, huh?
They go, what about this one?
They go, huh?
And then everyone's like, we got to stop paying attention.
So these guys are wrecking their star making formula.
tim pool
Think about it.
ryan long
Same time everyone else is figuring it out.
tim pool
Hollywood is like Blockbuster Video.
They've basically become the old, stodgy, uncool, Or they're becoming old, stodgy, and uncool.
Like you mentioned, kids know how to make stars themselves.
They know how to use social media.
They don't need the system anymore.
But it's also, the worlds are completely separate.
The ad revenue system on traditional media is so different from digital media.
ryan long
It's changing, though.
It's getting close.
A lot of these places... I mean, YouTube is worth more than Instagram.
It's all based on how people buy, but it's not...
It's not that crazy different.
tim pool
Well, but it kind of is.
Check this out.
When you buy an ad on, say, Tucker Carlson's show, you're not going to get, like, the numbers you get for Tucker's ratings are an estimate based on a sample size from, like, Nielsen boxes.
ryan long
Fake boxes that no one's actually using.
tim pool
I mean, so you're hoping it's true.
Yeah.
And it's probably close.
With digital, we know the exact number.
ryan long
And you know the exact demographic of that number.
tim pool
Well, so with the internet, you can refine your ads and really maximize your price point and your profit.
With buying ads on TV, they basically tell you, here's how much it costs for an ad.
It's like, you know, some websites say it's like, Rachel Maddow's like $8,500 for a commercial to run on her channel.
These advertisers will pay that.
ryan long
It's not very much money.
ian crossland
Yeah, it used to be like $20,000 or something.
ryan long
Go try to buy a commercial on Logan Paul's podcast.
I'm sure it's more than that.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Way more than that.
I guarantee you it's going to cost way more than that.
Yeah, so you and she's getting she gets at what like two to three million premium ads.
ryan long
He's got Nike I was watching when you watch Fox News I told you this earlier, but it made me laugh so much that they can't get good sponsors.
So they have sleep apnea mask cleaner.
That's Fox They have the funniest ads like orthotics You know remover so I'll write this point up and then we'll get into that a little bit.
tim pool
But basically, these advertisers spend the eight grand and then just look at their sales
and see if they go up and then try and figure out if the ad campaign worked.
With online, I can literally see people click the link.
I know if the link is actually working.
So what's happening is in a lot of ways, there's more ad space, there's more real estate for
ads, so the prices go down.
But anyway, I digress.
The main point of this is, it's a totally different world, based on a lot of guessing.
And now, it's going away.
It's becoming worth less and less and less.
Fox News is running pillow commercials and sleep apnea commercials.
Rachel Maddow's ads are like... I gotta tell you, man.
ryan long
And they're not even the parts that they can, and to go back to, because you're so right, but the even worse part of it is that even the data they do have, they don't want to listen to for other reasons.
It's the equivalent of they go, actually, this is what they like.
There's a huge market for this perspective.
The world's craving, you know, this perspective.
And then they go, what if we go with this one?
And you go, this numbers are way higher on this one.
They go, eh, we can't do that.
tim pool
Check this out.
I'll give everybody some top secret information.
unidentified
Ooh.
tim pool
So, you can Google search this.
If you look up, like, cable channel ad rates, they say... I just said Rachel Maddow because I was looking into it.
It's like $8,500, I think, for a 30-second... 30 seconds!
Do you know how much it would cost you for 30 seconds on, okay, so she gets like three million viewers.
If you found a YouTube video with three million views, do you know how much it would cost you to get a promo spot in that YouTube video?
Yeah, I don't know.
Three million?
60 grand.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
About $60,000.
If somebody can get three million views per video, they're probably selling it for like 50 to like 75, depending on where the ad appears and whether or not they consider themselves to be a premium brand that is better.
ryan long
And you don't have to film an ad.
You just go, Hey, also, instead of filming a million dollar commercial, you go, Hey, go check out, you know, Tim's beanies.
Yep.
tim pool
So companies will say, here's the script, promote it.
Here's what we want to see.
And then the YouTubers do all the work.
Like when we do the ads, we, I just read and talk about the product.
ryan long
And so it actually costs less because you don't have to make it.
tim pool
I would say that it costs more money, probably.
Well, it's hard to say.
Depending on the segment we do, it can cost more money to advertise on this podcast than it would on Rachel Maddow.
ryan long
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Easily.
That's crazy.
The old world is in decay.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, so anyway, the main point of the segment, because it's like we've veered into a bunch of different subjects, is I would never sign a contract with any of these big networks.
If Fox News or CNN or any, well, if CNN and MSNBC came to me and they were like, would you like to sign?
I'd be like, surely you jest.
If Fox News came to me, I would also be like, are you kidding?
No, not gonna happen.
I wouldn't sign with any of these companies now for the digital media ones I think it's great that they're smarter and doing better in their business models But you know, you know, we're gonna do we're launching a new podcast soon.
It's gonna be crime cults mystery in the paranormal It's gonna be evergreen stories and not news related.
We've got some crazy stuff.
We're getting lined up.
It's it's legit.
So we've got some like like Potential cult members and people who deny ever being in a cult.
lydia smith
Cool guests.
tim pool
Yeah.
So it's going to be like cool guests.
It's going to be like a bit of scripted, but we're going to start producing this content and we're going to create a new site that's going to be, you know, nonpartisan content.
So it'll have talk, it'll have content, it'll have jokes, it'll have entertainment.
And then we're going to create something bigger and better than all of these other platforms and it needs to happen.
ian crossland
I want to build these multi-channel networks kind of thing and start an organization, but I want to make sure that the people that we sign and empower are fully empowered, that we don't end up ripping them off with, like, we own your content, we own your ad revenue.
I want to give people an opportunity.
That's old school, bro.
I know.
tim pool
That makes no sense.
Think about this.
There are a lot of companies that say, we're going to sign you.
And you'll start a new YouTube channel, and we'll pay you, but we keep the YouTube channel.
And I'm like, why?
What happens when the contract is up?
Are you gonna produce content?
Let's say someone signs you, Ian, and they're like, you'll make a YouTube channel, but we own the YouTube channel.
A year later, the channel's dead.
It's making, like, pennies a month, worthless, and you don't produce anymore.
What are they gonna do?
Is some, like, executive gonna be like, I'm John for the Ian channel?
They tried doing it.
Discovery tried doing this.
I think it was NowThis.
Was it NowThis?
lydia smith
That sounds right.
tim pool
They bought Discovery.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Or something.
And then, or something happened and then they changed.
It was like, one of the Discovery channels turned into a NowThis channel.
Everyone was like, we don't want this!
We didn't subscribe to this!
You can't turn Netflix into Amazon and then expect everyone to just be like, okay.
So it's dumb now, the way the traditional media works, saying, make a social media channel and we own it.
Great.
So in two years, you'll have a dead property.
That's stupid.
Let the person keep it as part of the incentive package.
I don't want to own it.
They're your followers.
I'm not going to take your Twitter from you, but you know that these big cable channels do this?
When you get hired, they make you create a new Twitter.
They own.
unidentified
It's crazy.
tim pool
Yep.
ryan long
It's like the second POTUS Twitter.
tim pool
The second POTUS?
ryan long
Yeah, like the president has his old Twitter, and then he gets his new president Twitter.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right, right.
And then they have to transfer it over.
It makes sense to have in your contract, like, you'll make the channel, and for the duration of our contract, we get the revenue from it, and we control it as if we did own it.
ryan long
Upon your contract ending, then Well, a lot of times I guess they change, they keep the show going without you.
That's the other thing.
tim pool
Well, but I mean, like, a lot of these deals that are happening now with YouTube are like, we're gonna sign you to do a new YouTube show that you host because people really like you, and then we keep the channel.
And I'm like, okay, then keep the dead IP after I leave.
It makes no sense.
The deal should be.
ryan long
Yeah, but then they make, they go, uh, Tim Guest in IRL hosted by DJ Qualls.
DJ Qualls?
tim pool
Wow, what a throwback to that guy.
Where did that come from?
ryan long
I just thought it would be a good replacement.
ian crossland
I was telling Tim that.
tim pool
Dude, I'd be stoked to have him on the show.
That'd be awesome.
ian crossland
I want to do, like, build a network like that where you empower the user to own their own content and to, like, see them flourish, but you just kind of create, like, a seed organization.
ryan long
That's like an MCN a little bit.
ian crossland
Yeah, but, like, inverted, where you're not in it to rip these guys off.
You really want to see them get better, because that's how you attract the best people anyway.
ryan long
I'm sure if you asked them, they wouldn't say, oh, yeah, we're in this to rip these guys off.
unidentified
Right.
ryan long
They all start like that.
ian crossland
Well, I was involved with Maker Studios in the early days.
ryan long
Yeah, the big one.
ian crossland
Yeah, I watched a lot of the contracts go awry.
Like, Philip DeFranco was part of it in the very beginning, and they wanted all his revenue.
And he was like, why am I—he was the first one to realize, like, why am I doing all this work and paying all this revenue to Maker when I could just be keeping it all myself?
Peace, guys.
So I took that as, like, I learned my lesson from that.
ryan long
I've had a lot of conversations with these YouTube people, and you're kind of like, I go, I don't, listen, I'm like a loopy guy, but I don't think I'm stupid.
And then I like have these conversations and they sell me the whole pitch and I go, okay, I just listened to you talk for like 20 minutes and I, honest to God, have no idea what you're, what you do.
What do you guys do?
What do these companies do?
They're like, no, and we have take your channel and there's like tips and tricks and we have, we maximize this and maximize, and you go, what are you talking about?
What do you do?
tim pool
I have a big announcement to make, ladies and gentlemen.
We are here today with Ryan Long on the spot.
I'm going to make him an offer right now to join the new network.
Now here's the deal.
We're going to make a new channel and we're going to call it Ryan Long Comedy 2.
We own it.
We get all the money.
ryan long
Didn't you just tell me that?
This is the worst idea.
And no idiot would take this.
unidentified
That's the joke.
tim pool
You can't have it.
ryan long
Ian started talking about it.
ian crossland
I will play Ryan.
ryan long
Making all the money and then Tim's like... I didn't forget about this, making all the money.
tim pool
And we're replacing you with Ian.
unidentified
We're recasting my mom.
tim pool
No, no, no, we're just straight up doing it.
We're buying you and then recasting you with Ian.
ian crossland
Buying me IP.
ryan long
Yeah, I'm in.
Ryan's on comedy too.
ian crossland
It's a win-win.
tim pool
Starring Ian Crossman.
ryan long
It's number two and it's a, you know, there's like a little poop emoji because it's double on time.
tim pool
Alright, let's take some of these super chats from a lot of people who are...
Having some questions and stuff, talking about Static Shock and all that.
If you haven't already, go to TimCast.com, sign up to become a member, because if you've been listening to this episode thus far, I can only imagine that the exclusive members-only content is gonna get us in serious trouble, because Ryan really, really just is poking the bear as much as possible.
ryan long
You're giving me the funniest intro, where you're like, this guy is gonna be no holds barred!
unidentified
As soon as we finish, you're going to be like, okay, do your edgy thing.
tim pool
And he's going to like put on a suit and tie.
ryan long
So Ryan, when six million people died in the Holocaust.
tim pool
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, we're not being that edgy. Not that. Although apparently you don't need to watch
unidentified
the exclusive episode now because he's already saying these things. No. Give it away for free Ryan. Let's read super
tim pool
chats before, before Ryan gets his ban from the internet.
Awesome. All right. All right. Uh, smash that like button.
And again, TimGast.com. Don't forget to subscribe and share and all that good stuff. America Float says people watching
this content night after night may also enjoy America Float's channel and the AF's deep and sidecar channel.
Thank you, Tim, for watching what you say and keeping your channel afloat.
Very cool.
That's the best way to get a free ad spot on this channel.
ryan long
That's not bad, eh?
unidentified
10 bucks?
ryan long
Yeah, better than 60 grand.
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
That's well written.
lydia smith
I like that.
tim pool
Christine H. says, have Caitlin Bennett on the show.
Does she get mad that they call her gun girl?
lydia smith
I don't think so.
tim pool
We're having China Uncensored.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not allowed to say.
It's not a secret anymore.
myth from China Uncensored.
Are we going to invite?
lydia smith
We're having China Uncensored.
Oh wait, yeah, yeah, I know a lot to say.
tim pool
It's not a secret anymore.
Yeah.
Trent Lamalino says, dude, I always push my friend about wanting a Static Shock and Zoid's
live action show movie.
It's a bummer they're changing Static Shock to be some stupid Black Lives Matter protest
thing because the original story was legit.
That's too bad.
Whatever.
I guess kids, you know, they're probably, there's like some 13 year old like, that stupid old man thinks Static Shock is dumb.
What a loser.
He's so dumb.
ryan long
Yeah, but there is also that thing of, and it always goes back there, but it's like, Can't you just make new things?
Like, if Hollywood wasn't so friggin' lazy, they're like, if you want to make a Black Lives Matter superhero, make a Black Lives Matter superhero.
Do you have to take everything and remake it differently?
Like, just start from scratch and write a movie.
Are you not Hollywood?
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here.
Oh, someone's talking about Ryan.
SubZeroBeef says Ryan Long equals pro breakdancer.
Lace the loop.
unidentified
Is that true?
ryan long
I went on Luis Gomez's podcast in New York and we were having a competition.
He said that I couldn't do lace the loop.
If you know what that is, it's when you hold your one leg and then jump over the other leg.
And then I did it and fell over and smashed their TV.
unidentified
Well, there you go.
lydia smith
Brilliant.
ryan long
I still did it though.
lydia smith
Physical comedy.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
WhatBroke says, Tim, I never super chat, but I'm begging you to look into getting JP Sears onto the show.
YouTube channel AwakenWithJP, dude has arguably some of the boldest political commentary on YouTube.
Yeah, but he's also a really, really big channel.
The one thing people need to understand about getting other people who host shows is that they're like, I'd love to come on your show, but I host my own show.
I don't have time, or why would I?
You know what I mean?
ryan long
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
ian crossland
He looked at you right when he said it.
ryan long
You know, we can't get people that are, like, big, for example.
lydia smith
Or high quality.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Like, how often do you put out content?
ryan long
J.P.
does a similar thing to me, but I think he's very funny.
tim pool
What I'm trying to say is, I'm not saying this about J.P.
He does put out a lot of content, though.
People like Kyle Kalinske, for instance, it would be really hard to book because he does a daily show.
When's he going to take time off his show to come do my show?
That makes no sense.
ryan long
But that's not what J.P.
Sears does.
tim pool
No, I know, I know.
That's what I was saying.
I wasn't referring to him specifically about that kind of stuff.
Did you just take my water?
ryan long
Oh, maybe.
Oh, here's mine.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
ryan long
You legit just took my water bottle.
lydia smith
We're stealing water from each other.
Oh, crap.
Oh, we're sharing cooties here.
ryan long
I'm growing a beanie.
unidentified
That's how you know.
ryan long
But you are right.
It's for people that do a daily show, it is very difficult.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's almost impossible.
tim pool
All right, we got Nyasha Meezer says, keep up the good work.
Would you be able to get Tom McDonald on your show?
Yes, as soon as he's available.
I suppose.
ryan long
Fellow Canadian.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
We're surrounded.
Dude, there's like 50 Canadians who I've reached out to, and I'm like, would you like to come on the show?
And they're all like, oh, that'd be amazing.
When?
And I'm like, as soon as you're available.
And they're like, we're locked in Canada.
lydia smith
Ooh, that'd be great.
tim pool
And I'm like, oh.
lydia smith
They can't come.
ryan long
Are they ever?
tim pool
Are they ever locked in Canada?
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So you got family up there right now?
ryan long
They are in certain places.
So if you're in like Ottawa, they have a curfew and they actually give people tickets for it.
So there's people, there's all these stories of, you know, a woman that she's dropping her kids.
I mean, they sound like freak cases, but there are lots of them.
And I know people that have had this.
She's dropping her kids off at her mom's house and she stayed there.
And then the neighbors called the cops because there's five people there.
And then they get a thousand dollar ticket and people were just out.
It's honestly so comical.
I'm just like, yeah, country, you guys are out of control over there.
But, you know, I'm sure that some people that live some places are like, that's fine here and whatever.
I'm not even obeying it and blah, blah, blah.
lydia smith
Not there, huh?
tim pool
There are a lot of people in hotels.
ryan long
So if you want to go back, this is the funniest one.
And Australia has this too.
Australia is even funnier.
So they basically lock you in a hotel and you really can't leave.
And my buddy, Evan Demaree, who's a comic from Canada, he was locked in the hotel because he's in Australia right now.
And while he was there, one of the girls that was there was like, screw this.
She's like a party girl.
And she tried to escape.
And then people filmed her trying to escape.
So they got it on video.
News covered it.
Cops came.
They found the girl, brought her back.
And then they had a guard outside of the girl's door.
She was trying to go to escape to go party, right?
No, well they bring her back.
She was already in jail.
They bring her back to her current jail and she can only come out for a peanut butter sandwich.
tim pool
They charge people with crimes for that?
ryan long
Yeah, I'm not sure the extent to what happened with this girl.
But in Canada, they started essentially being like, okay, you have to stay at this hotel and also you have to pay for the hotel.
tim pool
Yeah.
ryan long
Well, yeah, so I'm just not going back, which is fine, whatever.
tim pool
All right.
We got Greg Bohan.
I'm probably pronouncing that wrong.
He says, you want to talk about D.C.
and social justice infestation?
You should get a hold of Ethan Van Sciver of Comic Artist Pro Secrets on YouTube.
His peers run him out of D.C.
comics and canceled him because he was a out Republican.
Interesting.
ryan long
A gay Republican.
tim pool
Apparently.
Matt M. says, Ryan Stokes to see your show next week in Orlando.
ryan long
Oh yeah!
I'm doing Orlando and Tampa next month.
And again, buy tickets because ryanlongcomedy.com for tickets because all of the shows have been selling out and they've been super fun.
It's been cool to see everyone come out.
tim pool
Look at this guy, all famous.
ryan long
It's been cool, dude, to have everyone come out because I haven't toured America since I moved here and then we're like, I think there's enough places open.
So we started doing it and it's been, I was like, oh man, this is way better.
tim pool
So with your comedy, you're basically hosting like mini clan rallies.
unidentified
Is that what it is?
ryan long
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Okay.
ryan long
Wow, mini Tim?
I'm not offended by the Klan rally part.
I'm offended by that you think my shows don't have a lot of people at them.
All right, all right, we gotta... No, that's the funny part that, even just touring, one thing I'll say that's kind of funny is that anyone that kind of, you know, that people get mad at online, they think that, and you go to the shows and it's like, people of all races, like, you know, some frat dudes, a group of girls, it's just everyone, right?
And the funniest part that I feel like people get wrong about everything Is whenever you're talking about like race and stuff, I mean, other people have said this, but going back on the road made me realize it so much.
People can't wait for you to talk about their group.
Like if I'm doing, there was like a table of like Hasidic Jewish dudes when we were at the other table and I started doing Jew stuff.
They're like, they're dying.
They're like, do us.
And then there was like this Indian dudes and they're kind of like, do us.
unidentified
That's amazing.
ryan long
Yeah, like, especially people that do all race stuff, like Russell Peters.
Like, the people go for, like, if you're doing Japanese, the, like, Koreans are, like, they love you, like, nailing their thing.
tim pool
Did you see the Dr. Seuss thing that happened?
They, like, canceled Dr. Seuss books?
ryan long
Yeah, I started that.
Oh, good to know.
Yeah, I started the hashtag.
tim pool
Alright, so.
So one of the things that got cancelled was it said the China man who eats with stick eats with sticks or whatever and it's just a cartoon guy wearing traditional Chinese clothing and he's running and he's got a bowl of rice and they banned the book they stopped publishing the book because of that and I'm like Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Was that offensive I don't understand it's literally just someone who drew a picture of a Chinese guy eating rice
tim pool
Yeah, I'm offended. I guess China man was offensive. Oh, no, I guess I'll say China person. Yeah, China person. Yeah. No,
okay Look, I I don't know
I Guess I'm not allowed to be offended by anything ever
because I'm not completely Asian and not completely white So the left just tells me to shut up and like get into the
ryan long
corner. You're like that Comer that new TV show that the clip went viral for which
tim pool
one was it didn't see that. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes Yes, yes the Netflix show where she's like you're closer to
ryan long
white than I'll ever be so but what I'm I'm not offended at all by these things, but based on what you were saying... The same way if you go to a show and you play an instrument, like you play guitar, and they're making fun of the drummers, you're kind of like, okay, do guitars.
People want you to do their thing.
tim pool
I want to be involved, make fun of me, you know what I mean?
ryan long
And especially if you know what you're talking about, like you go, somebody goes, that's friggin' my mom!
People like it, you know what I mean?
All right.
tim pool
I'm not reading this one comment, but basically a woman says you get her very excited, to put it simply.
unidentified
Tickets, Ryan Long Comedy!
tim pool
The Cucumber Show says, Hey Tim, I emailed TimCast recently about my animated series, spoofing the Apple Store called Cucumber.
Coming to Kickstarter April 1st.
CucumberHasRisen.com has story info and the trailer, as does our YouTube channel.
Thanks.
Hello, Lydia and Ian.
unidentified
That's cute.
ian crossland
Hello.
ryan long
Yeah, it's the Green Lantern's porn is called Cucumber.
tim pool
Beau just says that Static Shock reboot sounds like Bible Man level writing.
Mainstream entertainment has basically devolved into early 2000s Christian media quality.
lydia smith
That's what Tim was saying!
tim pool
That's what I'm saying, man!
ian crossland
You've been saying it's like a religion.
I mean, just another example.
tim pool
Listen, ladies and gentlemen, should I tell people what's going on with our pillow?
lydia smith
Maybe.
ryan long
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So I've talked a bit about it.
And so Ryan is going to be helping me.
ryan long
Yeah, I said, I'll take your project to the top, kid.
tim pool
And then, you know, basically what happened was I was leaving.
I was hanging out in the stands at a venue as Ryan was leaving.
And he saw me and he went, hey, kid.
And he threw a burlap sack to me and I caught it.
And then, you know, and then I got the idea.
ian crossland
No, so that's a good ad.
tim pool
Ryan's going to be The idea for the Our Pillow, and this is basically what you said, was it's the most brutal pillow ever, but it has the right ideology, so you have to buy it.
That's basically what they're saying about Static Shock and this woke media.
The content is garbage, but it's the right ideology, so you have to watch it.
It's Claptor.
lydia smith
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
You ever see Claptor?
ryan long
No, but I have at my show The Claptor.
So come... The Claptor?
lydia smith
The Claptor.
tim pool
Yes, I got it.
ryan long
Guys, it's getting late.
unidentified
Yes.
ryan long
Speaking of getting late.
tim pool
We're doing our pillow and this is the first time Ryan's actually got too late on it.
How would you rate our pillow on a scale of 1 to 10?
ryan long
Are you showing it right now?
Oh no, you don't want to unveil it.
tim pool
You can go grab it if you want.
ryan long
Do you want to unveil it?
tim pool
We've already shown it before.
ryan long
Oh, whatever.
So you've got the new pillow.
tim pool
How would you rate it on a scale of one to 10?
ryan long
I liked it.
I mean, for me, it wouldn't be for me, but like my girl, I obviously give, I have a separate blanket and then she's in a burlap sack.
So that could be a good, that makes sense.
Yeah, that could be a good addition.
tim pool
On the edge of the bed or the floor?
ryan long
She would be on the floor.
Yeah.
unidentified
Right outside the door kind of thing.
ryan long
Well, that's why I keep her water and food and stuff like that.
Where else am I... What?
She's gonna be not... What if she gets thirsty?
tim pool
Don't you think it's a little wasteful to give the glorious communist pillow to somebody?
ryan long
That's a little high class.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gotta be for you, huh?
ryan long
It's too expensive.
It's gonna be for me, you're right.
tim pool
So, they're gonna be performatively expensive.
ryan long
You're right, she should not get a pillow.
lydia smith
That's true, yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Why would you waste it?
ryan long
No, what she'll do is, girls should all sleep in a woman's Hillary Clinton suit jacket with the hanger still in it, hanged up on the rack.
lydia smith
That sounds comfortable.
ryan long
With them in it, yeah.
lydia smith
I could do that.
unidentified
I could do that.
tim pool
Do you write this stuff down just to use for, like, later sketches?
ryan long
You think I should have a sketch?
That's the sketch, like, how every woman sleeps.
tim pool
I mean, I don't mean that one specifically, but, you know.
All right, let's read some more of these things.
We'll read more.
Mitch Stew says, Tim, I am going to resend you my resume and post it in your subreddit within 24 hours to show my interest in joining your team.
I share your vision and would love to simply share my ideas.
Also, I love you, Ryan.
You are the future of comedy.
ryan long
Thank you very much.
tim pool
I have a video called The Future of Comedy, so I'm wondering if that's a reference.
ryan long
She's kind of out of the news right now.
That's a reference.
tim pool
Pando56 says, Ryan need a sketch about Jessica Yaniv where she runs out of
money and needs to start suing.
She targets.
ryan long
She's kind of out of the news right now.
I feel like her moment's kind of done.
tim pool
Yeah.
ryan long
Tim Dillon did a really funny one about the, the salons and stuff.
No, the new the health minister.
unidentified
Oh, right, right, right, right.
ryan long
So this is not the, you know, the craziest thing, but so I have a studio in Toronto, which I still have, but I'm getting rid of it soon.
tim pool
Oh, Uncle Pennybags here.
ryan long
I've got a pretty leaky operation going on here.
I've got a burlap sink holding my money right now.
There is leakage.
I do not need a studio in Toronto that I can't go to, but I'm subletting some of these things out.
So me and Dani were reading about the Jessica Yaniv thing or whatever, and while we were talking about the story in our office that Dani's the guy I do the sketches with, we were like, this is crazy or whatever.
And then at the same time, we're like, it's crazy that there's all this news stuff happening outside of our office, blah, blah.
And at the same time, and we never realized it, but while we were reading the story, it was happening because it's across the street from my office, the spa where she went to try to get the ball waxing.
unidentified
Wow.
ryan long
It was across the street from my office.
So every day for three days, there was, you know, Canadian TMZ there being like, what were the balls like?
I don't know.
unidentified
But just trying to get the scoop.
ryan long
So yeah, that's pretty crazy, right?
That's across the street from my office.
tim pool
It's serendipitous.
unidentified
You have to.
ryan long
And more so, we were like, that is pretty nice to know that there's a ball wax in place in the area.
ian crossland
Silver lining.
tim pool
United We Stand says, is it me or does Luke sound weird tonight?
His voice seems higher and really loud too.
ryan long
Really loud.
tim pool
Wow.
All right, Coco Deuce has been in the military for 13 plus years.
Left ideology over the last decade has infected current leadership to massive degrees.
I can't remember a time when color, gender, and race didn't really matter.
Now it's the only thing that matters.
Secession may be the only option.
It's a scary prospect, man.
ryan long
It's a very scary prospect.
Watching the TV show Secession is the only option.
Forgetting about all your problems and just watching Kieran Culkin do his art.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Well, of course.
I've watched only a little bit of Attack on Titan.
I'm not, you know.
You like it?
at least two anime discussions and no attack on titan today well of course it's like i i've watched
only a little bit of attack on titan i'm not you know you like it you i like the the art yeah i
like i like attack on hill better Have you seen that meme?
No.
Do you know what Attack on Titan is?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's an anime where there's, like, giant monsters that eat people, I guess.
ryan long
And so someone made a meme... I was having sex.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Somebody made a meme where the Titans are King of the Hill characters, and the heroes are, like, they have, like, these things on their waist that, like, shoot cords to, like, project, like, propel themselves.
And it's Hank Hill, and he's holding spatulas, and it says, Attack on Hill, and the titan is Bill D'Otriva.
It's really good.
He says, Tim, if I send you this gift, will you pronounce Jif like normal people do?
Three, Nazis only have those symbols because we let them.
That's true.
The creator of the Jif said it was pronounced Jif, so I don't know.
ian crossland
I've had this conversation before.
I'd be down to bring it back.
lydia smith
So many times.
ian crossland
Is it Gif or Jif?
lydia smith
Fight it out.
ryan long
Biff, I believe it was.
ian crossland
The G is pronounced B. That makes more sense.
ryan long
But it is though.
I mean, that argument, let's say that you're right, that the creator said that.
Things do kind of change.
It's the, and the new one that everyone says, it's the guy that says potahto and you go, and you go, it's actually originally pronounced like that.
And you go, get the hell out of here.
Like, well, it's not anymore.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Eric Miller says, Ryan, you should do a follow-up to the Voting Wrong turned me white, where the guy sees the Woka Cola ad, drinks the Coke, and it fades to black, and you hear him say, I'm back, baby.
ryan long
That's pretty funny.
tim pool
That's great.
Do you see George Alexopoulos' comic he made about the Woka Cola thing?
ryan long
Yeah.
Oh, wait.
No, I didn't.
Sorry.
I seen the Coca-Cola thing.
tim pool
So George Autopolis, who does this, these paintings we have.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
G prime 85 on social media.
It's a white woman renouncing whiteness and being baptized in Coke.
And then she comes up and she's covered in Coke.
So her skin is like darker.
ryan long
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
ryan long
Yeah.
tim pool
Dylan, Dylan Basterash says, how dare you sully the name of Bible man?
How did he get his powers from the Bible?
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Lanius Shrike says, if you think religious kids shows suck, you've probably never seen Five-ish.
What is that?
lydia smith
I've not heard of that.
tim pool
Is that good?
unidentified
Must be.
ryan long
No, I've never seen that.
I've seen 69-ish.
Guys.
Oh, this guy.
lydia smith
That's way too late.
ryan long
That's for the private.
lydia smith
Spicy, spicy.
ryan long
Is there any good... I think they've made some good Christ ones.
Passion of the Christ is a pretty good movie.
You can make movies with a point without slamming it with propaganda.
It's just, you need to be...
You need to care more about making the good things first, and then your ideology is going to be in there anyway, because you have it.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Recto says, did you guys buy the dip in crypto?
Five-digit BTC, what a gift.
Ian said 50 words on this episode, silenced by Big Tim.
LMAO, what if Ian just randomly screamed in the mic in the middle of an episode, and then two hours of death glare?
Okay.
unidentified
I'll do that.
ryan long
I mean, me and Tim are both pretty talky.
I did not buy the dip on crypto.
However, I have some crypto proxies and my boy, Danny Polischuk, who has a podcast that he talks about this stuff.
He's been buying and selling crypto trading cards, which is hilarious to me.
So it's essentially crypto cards.
But they don't exist, except for on the blockchain, there's no physical copy.
He's into all sorts of that stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, the NFT stuff, the non-fungible tokens.
Alex Grindelin says, Tim, when you lived in Fremont, did you ever go to the improv comedy club there, club there, comedy sports?
Maybe when you lived in Seattle, it was over in Ballard.
I did not.
I did go to a record store every so often and talk to some of the people there.
That was a long time ago, so I'm not like, it's like 14 years ago, so I don't know where it was.
ryan long
The Miami Improv, did they say?
lydia smith
No, it was like over on the West Coast.
ryan long
Fremont?
unidentified
Chicago?
tim pool
Seattle.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's see.
Tripsuck says they've ruined my favorite superhero.
Ryan, never change.
Tim, many liberals just like me watch this show.
Your listeners are not only on the right.
Oh, that I know.
I suppose we did a poll and found I think the biggest group of people who watched my regular YouTube content was libertarian.
And then it was like moderate conservative, followed by liberal.
And then it was followed by... I can't remember.
We talked about it quite a bit.
But there actually were social justice warrior, like far leftists, like two or three percent of the people polled said they watch my show.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's where they were.
And that's why, like I mentioned this sometimes, I went to Portland and actually had some Antifa people like fist bump me and say, don't let anybody know.
ian crossland
The world's way more unified than it seems.
unidentified
Uh oh.
lydia smith
It jumped.
tim pool
It jumped.
I said uh-oh because someone said Bobby Bob says Tim's parking lot will never be the same without its hobo.
lydia smith
It's true!
I'm sad every time I see it.
tim pool
Uncle Eddie.
ian crossland
It's cousin Eddie, yeah.
tim pool
So yeah, Luke's on vacation.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, it may be permanent because that dude's basically a vagabond.
That's the right word, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, like he just travels around.
lydia smith
Traipses around, yeah.
ryan long
He lives where he goes.
tim pool
He goes where he lives.
Except he's got like a big truck and a mobile and like an RV, so it's actually pretty nice.
ryan long
Oh yeah, it's fancy traveling.
Yeah, dude, it's awesome.
It's like a champagne socialist traveling.
lydia smith
Pretty much, yeah.
Clamping.
ryan long
Champagne vagabonding.
lydia smith
Yes, perfect.
ryan long
What's the book?
Yeah, he's got Jack Kerouac, but it's, you know, the fancy hard copy.
tim pool
All right, Mara's Exalted says, Hey, crew, been watching every night after work.
Big fan of the show.
Lids is an underrated source of info.
I'm a Canadian music artist and would love to help out any music endeavors.
Also have a song called Smollett that rap fans may enjoy.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
You know, I have a million and one songs.
If I was to actually write down every song I've ever written, it's probably a viable completed song, several hundred.
There's probably thousands of some type of song with, like, melodic, but not, like, written out.
But we are working on a new one, which will probably never get done because all the songs we were originally working on, because we did Will of the People, well, we just bounce around too much.
I think we'll get this one done, though.
ryan long
Punk rock for Biden.
tim pool
Yes, yep.
We want it to be, it's double punk because normally punk is supposed to be like anti-establishment, right?
And so we're anti the anti-establishment.
So it's like inadvertently pro-Biden because we don't want to conform to the non-conformists who don't want to conform to Biden.
So it's unironically pro-Biden actually as a statement against That's what they call sub-punk.
Sub-punk?
ian crossland
Yeah, aren't you a drummer?
ryan long
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should jam next time you're in town.
We just got a kit.
I think it's on the way right now.
tim pool
It's half here.
ian crossland
Nice.
It's gonna be loud.
ryan long
Wait, you play drums?
Yeah.
tim pool
Really?
Yeah, he did last time.
And James O'Keefe, what does he play?
lydia smith
He sings.
tim pool
He sings.
And Jack Posobiec plays bass.
And we'll get Ryan Long on drums.
ryan long
I think we talked about that.
I did Jack's thing and he was telling me that.
tim pool
And we'll make a super group and we'll call it The Far Right.
lydia smith
Perfect.
ryan long
I identify politically as a comedian.
lydia smith
That's right.
ryan long
Thank you very much.
tim pool
Ryan, Ryan Long.
ryan long
Keep your labels off of me.
That's what I say to girls.
And that's what I say to you politics people.
lydia smith
There you go.
Fair.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
George D says, Tim with Australia, you have to separate what's going on in Melbourne under dictator Dan and the rest of Australia apart from Melbourne.
We are living life back to normal.
No curfew, no masks and everything.
ryan long
Oh, is that what I said?
Okay.
tim pool
But you have to understand too, when they say outside of Melbourne, everybody knows that you have Melbourne and then you have the outback.
That's all Australia is.
So it's, you live in a city or you ride kangaroo.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That's all.
lydia smith
That's how it works.
tim pool
There was a, I'm kidding by the way, but there was a really funny podcast, I guess, Rose Byrne, who is an, she's an Australian actress.
And it was really funny because, so we had Sydney Watson on the show.
Do you know who Sydney Watson is?
ryan long
No.
tim pool
She's Australian.
And we did like a whole bonus segment where we just asked her about kangaroo And she was answering it, but then the segment Rose Byrne did on this other podcast, she was like, I grew up in a city.
I have no idea what it's like in the middle of nowhere with these animals.
Stop asking me.
If you ask me, I will snap.
If you ask me about a kangaroo, and I saw that, I started laughing because we literally were like, Sydney, tell us about kangaroos.
ryan long
Tell us about didgeridoo.
All right, fine.
I have three didgeridoos.
tim pool
Could you imagine if an Australian person came and said, tell us about the bison?
You'd be like, I don't know, I drove past one one time, it was crazy, they have horns, and apparently you can get them to eat.
ryan long
But if you tell me, like, you know, some of the Canadian stereotypes... You say aboot animals as much, but, you know, whatever, hockey, syrup...
Stereotypes are kind of true.
ian crossland
Fresh maple syrup?
Have you had fresh maple syrup from the tree?
ryan long
Yeah.
And funnel cakes and all that stuff?
tim pool
We have that here too.
ian crossland
Not like right out of the tree.
ryan long
I guess we do.
ian crossland
I haven't had it right out of the tree.
ryan long
That would be like a school trip would be a cliche thing like that where you go and snowshoe around with your class or something.
tim pool
That's Canadian.
No, no, I did that in Illinois.
We went and there's maple trees everywhere.
ian crossland
Illinois is basically Canada.
tim pool
Okay, I guess.
ryan long
Illinois-ing.
lydia smith
I'm from Illinois.
ian crossland
The Great Lakes separated us.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess when the country peacefully divorces, Illinois and New York are gonna join the United States of Canada, and then everyone else becomes... United States of Canada.
That's the meme, you know, Jesusland.
Yeah.
All right, let's see.
Eric Wright says, curious about everyone's favorite animal and a brief explanation, including Lydia, keep up the great work team.
Ryan, favorite animal?
ryan long
Woman, I'd say, is mine.
unidentified
Really?
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
That's a very intelligent answer.
ryan long
Favorite animal.
lydia smith
That's very edgy.
ryan long
That's one of those things.
ian crossland
What if you said human and you were just done with it?
ryan long
Yeah.
Okay, you go first.
You come back.
ian crossland
Well, I would say the gorilla.
And if you haven't had a chance, check out this gorilla.
lydia smith
There it is.
Ian's favorite animal.
ian crossland
You can pick this t-shirt up on, I think on TimCast.com, shop slash shop.
tim pool
Not slash shop.
Just click the button and click shop.
ian crossland
I'm a gorilla.
It's actually a monkey, but I mean, I don't really, sometimes I wonder about the difference.
The monkey's my favorite.
I just like the primates, you know, the intelligence in their eyes.
lydia smith
Yeah, pretty cool.
tim pool
No, I guess I don't really have one, but if I had to pick, I'd say crows.
lydia smith
Crows are cool.
They're super smart.
tim pool
Are you serious?
They're in the top 10 smartest animal on the planet.
Crows and rats.
You can speak English to them.
You can teach them things.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And you ever hear the story about the little girl?
No, no, no, better story.
There was a woman who used to go hiking and taking photos, and she would leave food for the crows.
One day, she dropped her camera lens cap, And when she came home, it was laying on her stairs.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
ryan long
They brought it back for her?
tim pool
The crow saw she dropped it, picked it up and brought it to her house and left it for her.
So great.
They were doing research.
ryan long
I don't know if you heard about on the set of The Crow, um... Yeah, I... Brandon Lee, man.
tim pool
Tragic story.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
We'll leave it there.
ian crossland
No, no, no.
unidentified
Hold on.
ryan long
There was another thing that dropped.
tim pool
There was a, geez, dude.
ryan long
No, I was just saying one of the grips was a rapper.
So he dropped like super fast.
That's right.
It honestly had nothing to do with what you were talking about.
tim pool
There were some researchers, I think they were at Syracuse and they would capture crows to use in research.
And they learned that if you have, if you engage in this, you have to wear a mask because the crows would never forget that you were the one who captured them and subjected them to experiments and life.
So they would, and they would tell their friends and they would like poop on people and like harass them.
ryan long
No joke.
tim pool
Crows are legit smart.
There was a guy who invented a crow vending machine.
Brilliant.
He basically set up this machine where there was a plate, like an attachment full of covered in food.
ryan long
You put money in and get a crow.
tim pool
Well, the crow would land on it.
They would eat the food and then crows sweep the ground when there's no food left.
And they knocked the coins into the machine, which made more nuts come out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Then he put coins on the ground.
And so when the coins were gone, the crows would jump down, grab the coins, fly up, and put them in the machine and get nuts.
Once that was gone, they would fly around the neighborhood looking for loose change.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Bring them back.
And he said his total profit was going to be somewhere in like 86 cents.
Oh my god.
Wow.
But he effectively trained the crows to pick up- To find money for him.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
That's amazing stuff.
tim pool
That's cool.
ryan long
It's better than not buying a metal detector.
lydia smith
That's awesome.
I love it.
ian crossland
It is.
So Ryan, what's your favorite animal?
ryan long
Okay, my favorite animal is sloth.
ian crossland
Those are cool.
ryan long
How about a sloth?
ian crossland
I did a report on those in high school.
unidentified
Sloths?
ryan long
Yeah, you did.
tim pool
Their defense mechanism is basically just not moving.
ryan long
And I like that they're kind of the bad boy because everyone trashes them.
What do you mean?
tim pool
Everybody loves them.
ryan long
No, it's like lazy sloths.
lydia smith
It's a sin.
ian crossland
Two-toed or three-toed?
Or is it three-toed or four-toed?
unidentified
How about three?
tim pool
We've got a bunch of important information.
56th Crusader says Bible Man got his powers from his obedience to God.
They gave him a Robin-esque sidekick in the second or third episode.
Not as good as Angel Wars, in my opinion.
Interesting.
And Carnacle Blackburn says Bible Man's lightsaber is powered by faith.
I loved him and VeggieTales growing up.
Also 3, 2, 1 penguins.
Kevin is goat.
Bibleman is so bad.
It's good.
I want to watch Bibleman.
lydia smith
I liked VeggieTales.
tim pool
I want to watch it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let me check it out.
ryan long
Yeah, definitely watch Bibleman.
tim pool
It's going to be like, I bet you could take Bibleman and the new Black Lives Matter static shock and be like, I see similarities in how it's like all about ideology.
He's like, the police were tear gassing me because I was doing the right thing.
Now I have power.
ian crossland
That'd be cool if he lost his power.
If he stopped believing in the right, you know, doing the right thing.
tim pool
I mean, that's probably going to happen.
Someone's going to be like... You know what I think is really happening, to be honest?
There's probably a bunch of young, woke people, and there's, like, checked-out Gen Xers who are sitting there with their eyes half-closed, and then the person's like, I got an idea!
He's a Black Lives Matter protest.
He gets his powers.
And the boss is just like, oh, yeah, you know, whatever.
ian crossland
We're going to sell so many copies.
ryan long
The trick that they're like a lot of these things are missing.
And I watched, cause I see movies that do this kind of stuff and they're fine.
And you ever watch a conversation and they, like, you're kind of, you have an argument
and they're not addressing like the other side.
You're like, no, that's not what they think.
You know, where it's the same thing when this, where they treat other people like not humans.
Like I watched, there was this one where the camera was called, but they had a,
it was like a black dude who got out of jail and the cops were kind of the enemies and they'd
killed a guy, but then they also showed the cop what he looks like as a human.
So he went back and basically he felt, he like, you know, felt like, and he didn't know what to
do and he kind of was going through and his wife was leaving him and this guy's life sucked.
And then they showed the third person, which was the friend that his girlfriend, they kind of.
that.
tim pool
Humanize everybody?
ryan long
I was very like, um, and I think that in comedy so many times they write other
unidentified
Yes.
ryan long
people right now, like they hate them and you can't write people like you hate them.
So that's why people's Trump's impressions were so bad because it's
just, I'm a frigging idiot.
And it's like, yeah, like family guys, Trump episode.
tim pool
It was like, yeah, I'm a fricking idiot.
It was just, they made him tiny hands with a bright orange face and it was like, dude, on the nose.
ryan long
Just a little, much of a character, but that's not really, you know, there's funny parts about everyone, but you need to like contain the humanity.
And I think it's when you're providing the opposite side, same as providing the opposite perspective.
It's like, even in most superheroes, it's like they're villains, not just all bad.
Like something got them there and you sort of see their side.
ian crossland
That's how I feel about Hitler.
I can tell you more about it in the bonus segment.
ryan long
Whoa!
unidentified
Listen, listen, listen.
ryan long
Don't get into your theories!
tim pool
Put it behind the camera.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
ian crossland
You, you, so... Understand the villain.
ryan long
All right.
tim pool
With, with these stories, I think about a lot when we're, when I'm like writing music, you can't just tell the audience what's happening.
You have to like, Allow their imagination to guide them to some capacity.
You can't write a song where you're just literally... So I wrote Will O' The People, and it's telling a story, but a lot of it you can't see unless you watch the video.
And so, you know, like I'm talking to Nish today because we're writing this song, and she was like, there's a lot of information to convey in this that we can't get in lyrics.
And I was like, that's like kind of the point.
ryan long
That's sort of the new school where it's people kind of...
If you look at Lonely Island, they were writing songs knowing that the video was going to be part of the gags.
And I think that a lot of people are doing that musically right now, where they're sort of picturing the video to convey something else while they're writing it.
tim pool
The song will be good, but with the video you really understand it.
That's true for Will of the People.
ian crossland
You don't want them to be like, that guy, that villain is so evil.
You just want the audience to see the villain's behavior and think, Wow, that's very, you want the audience to think it, to realize it on their own.
ryan long
I mean, you know, it's just like multi-tiered.
tim pool
But hold on, you know what's crazy to me?
I guess this is a relatively new thing in comics.
I shouldn't say relatively new, it's been some time, but like, uh, the origin of Mr. Freeze in the Batman animated series, do you guys know this?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
They won an Emmy.
I think it was the first cartoon to ever win an Emmy.
I think it was an Emmy, I'm not sure.
But, uh, Mr. Freeze, originally comic book villains were like one-dimensional.
I'm gonna take over the world, because I'm evil!
Mr. Freeze was, his wife was terminally ill, and he was misappropriating corporate funds to do research to try and cure her disease, and when the boss found out, he was like, how dare you, shut it down, and then while they were fighting, he was like, no, I won't let you kill my wife, and he grabs a gun, and then the security guy throws him down, and then the cryogenic chemicals blast him, and then he gets turned into Mr. Freeze, And his whole motivation is he's trying to save his wife's life and it's all about his own personal selfishness.
So it was like, it was an interesting backstory for a villain.
ian crossland
Like Magneto also was kind of like, and Dr. Doom I think also.
tim pool
But Magneto later on, I don't think, I think originally Magneto was really one dimensional.
And then it was later artists who really made this amazing, like X-Men's genius stuff.
And it's social justice stuff.
This is the crazy thing.
You know X-Men is social justice?
Magneto was in a Polish concentration camp in Poland.
And some of the artist comic book writings of X-Men is that Magneto is like Malcolm X and Professor X is like Dr. King.
Where Professor X is very much like, through peace and reform we will bring about unity.
ryan long
Yeah, that's a trope in a million things.
It's the peace and reform versus the...
I mean, the Black Panther was kind of that.
Right.
tim pool
So, it used to be the villains were just like, I'm evil, wah!
And then later on, they started developing villains to actually have legitimate motivations that we understood.
ryan long
And then now, they are devolving where the protagonists are just one-dimensional.
tim pool
No, no, but it's not even that.
The police in the static shock thing, it's like, get out of here or we're gonna tear gas you for no reason!
Pew, pew!
Like, wait, what?
Come on!
ian crossland
Like, what's that show, Homeland?
Homelander, is that what it's called?
The Boys.
The Boys.
I think they took it too far, because those are, like, overtly villainous heroes.
ryan long
That show was pretty good, though.
ian crossland
I like heroes that are corrupt or have a weakness or, like, you know, you need that.
ryan long
Otherwise, it's not a real believable... Yeah, well, that one went into, like, the campy world a little bit.
lydia smith
Yeah, it got way out there.
ryan long
But there is something cool about the flawed superhero that is a human, yeah.
tim pool
All right, we're going to do one more Super Chat.
It is... What is this?
Goo Bazooka.
Pangolins are the coolest animals.
lydia smith
They're very cool.
tim pool
That's right.
Oh, wait, wait.
I'm sorry.
There's one more.
Scott Gosnell says, I live in Oklahoma.
When someone asks me about buffaloes, I just say that their wings taste like chicken.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for hanging out.
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ryan long
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ian crossland
You can also follow my network at iancrossland.net where you can purchase some paraphernalia.
ryan long
Free the code!
ian crossland
Free the code, baby!
As well as donate if you'd like to support the cause and the movement of me.
But yeah, have some fun.
ryan long
The bowel movement!
ian crossland
It's so great to have you here, brother.
Thanks, you guys.
lydia smith
And then there's me in the corner.
I'm sourpatchlids on Twitter and Mines.
And then I'm realsourpatchlids on Gab and Instagram.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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