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Feb. 23, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Disney Declares Muppets Negative Stereotypes, Coke Says BE LESS WHITE w/Sydney Watson
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ian crossland
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luke rudkowski
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sydney watson
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tim pool
01:12:07
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lydia smith
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tim pool
I saw a tweet from Seth MacFarlane earlier.
He said that, he was basically saying the reason why we can't reach the far right is because Disney said that the Muppets were racist.
And I'm like, I mean, I guess it's kind of bad that Disney is saying the Muppets are racist.
I have no idea what that has to do with the far right, however.
Like, wouldn't they like that the Muppets are racist?
It didn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
And the other thing too is that Seth MacFarlane, I appreciate that he's called out cancel culture.
He's pretty much like Brian Griffin in his own Family Guy show, like an insufferable liberal.
But he does use Family Guy to complain about cancel culture.
I gotta say, Family Guy, though, is probably like the most racist show on TV, like, making overt racist jokes all the time.
And for some reason, and I'm not, I'll just say it, like for some reason, the left doesn't go after it.
Maybe it's because Seth MacFarlane is staunchly liberal and anti-Trump and pro-Biden that he gets a pass, but that represents, I guess, the problem of the double standard.
I guess the big issue here, we'll talk about this, all this different cultural stuff, is the Muppets are racist.
It's important that you know this.
You shouldn't watch them.
And if you do, you should know that you're a bad person.
We'll talk about that and a bunch of other things, too.
Look, we got a bunch of political news.
Coca-Cola was telling people to be less white.
I don't know exactly what they're trying to imply, like, I don't know, what does that mean?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Do you like put on bronzer or something? That's not okay either.
Nope.
So I don't know what they want people to do, but I guess in the curriculum they're teaching people,
they were saying that being white is also being arrogant and ignorant at the same time,
so sounds like they're racist.
We'll talk about that.
We got some other political stuff.
Cuomo apparently is issuing mafioso-like threats to everybody now, as he burns down in flames over having killed 13,000 people in nursing homes, and everyone is turning on him.
There are reports now that he's issuing threats, and people are saying it's like gangster-level stuff.
We'll get into that.
We're being joined today by some random Australian woman, who for some reason is in my studio, Sydney Watson.
sydney watson
I love this!
Can this be, like, a new thing?
I get some, like, good intros, but this is probably my favorite.
Random Australian woman.
tim pool
Yes, random Australian woman.
Tell me, why are you here?
sydney watson
Um, because I'm... I don't know.
Why am I in the U.S., or why am I in your house?
tim pool
Why are you in my house?
sydney watson
Look, I think it's a really long story.
Basically, I got on a plane, then I was like, I'm gonna stalk and harass Tim.
That's what I want to do today.
Yeah, we caught her.
tim pool
We caught her outside, hiding under one of the cars with a few of the cats.
sydney watson
I was trying to just, like, spoon Vegemite into my mouth while I, like, screamed.
tim pool
No, but you live in Texas.
sydney watson
Yeah, I do.
I live in Texas.
I live in the U.S., yeah.
tim pool
But you're also American, right?
sydney watson
Yeah.
I'm a citizen.
I'm a dual citizen.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, you're actually a YouTuber with a pretty big channel.
sydney watson
Yeah.
Do you want to just actually introduce... Moderate channel.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I'm an Australian-American-conservative-libertarian-esque political commentator that makes YouTube videos and complains on the internet a whole lot.
tim pool
Hey, excellent.
We complain on the internet, too.
That's going to be great.
sydney watson
It's like my M.O.
tim pool
Right on.
We'll do that.
We got Luke here.
He also complains on the internet.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, constructively criticized, I think, is a more fair term.
I mean, it's crazy out there.
They're going after the Muppets.
I heard that the Coca-Cola... They're going after the Muppets!
The Coca-Cola white polar bear had an identity crisis today.
It's bad.
It's bad.
So I'm following all of it.
I'm also tweeting about it on Twitter.com forward slash LukeWeAreChange.
And if you want to support me, you could also support my voluntary efforts on Venmo and Cash App under LukeWeAreChange.
And because you do, I'm here.
So thanks so much for having me.
tim pool
We got Ian chillin.
ian crossland
Crossland in the house.
What up dawg?
Uh, Sydney, I'm glad you're here and from Texas because I want to hear about what it's been like this last week.
sydney watson
Do you mean with the freezing cold weather?
unidentified
Yeah.
sydney watson
Just being, yeah, no, it was, um, it was actually really, really not pleasant.
Wasn't my favorite experience in the whole world.
I didn't have power for power heating and water really for about two, three-ish days, which I know sounds completely, you know, some people be like, oh boohoo, but when it's minus 14 degrees Celsius, I don't know what it is in your made up numbers.
But in Celsius, it was so cold that you're standing in your own house and your hands are pink and you can't feel them.
unidentified
It was awful.
tim pool
Don't give me that.
Our Fahrenheit system makes perfect sense.
Boiling point is what?
luke rudkowski
We speak American here, man.
tim pool
What's boiling point?
Is it 216?
unidentified
212.
tim pool
And freezing is 32.
It makes perfect sense.
sydney watson
Okay, everything that we do starts and ends with zero and hundreds and tens.
It's just very uniform.
tim pool
Do you use metric time?
sydney watson
What is that?
tim pool
I didn't think so.
Your system makes no sense because you selectively do numbers.
ian crossland
The way you get from Celsius to Fahrenheit is you add 18 and then multiply it by 1.8.
Is that right?
tim pool
I don't know, but I do know at minus 44 they become the same.
sydney watson
Yeah, that's true.
That's actually true because people were like basically hanging crap on me and they're saying, Sydney, you're a big crybaby because it doesn't snow in Australia.
I'm sorry.
I have never experienced minus 14 degree weather.
I've never in my life except when I've been in the US.
That's the only time.
ian crossland
What was it like having no water?
sydney watson
Um, it's not the fact that we had no water, you just have to boil it, because they turned off the electricity at the, don't quote me on this, not the sewage plants, but the water distributing people.
tim pool
Reclamation, maybe?
sydney watson
Whatever it was.
I mean, I'm not an expert at that sort of stuff.
tim pool
Chlorination?
sydney watson
But they, yeah, so apparently all the water now had like salmonella and E. coli and yadda yadda, so you have to boil all that, but you can't boil it because you've got no electricity, because nothing's gas.
So, uh, it was great, guys!
The roads were super fun!
tim pool
Did you, like, hunt rabbits in your backyard?
sydney watson
I did.
Mm-hmm.
I lured them.
tim pool
You can't eat, you can't sustain off of rabbit alone because they have no fat.
It's called rabbit starvation.
sydney watson
How do you know that?
tim pool
I was reading about Venezuela and they were talking about how people were trying to breed rabbits for food because they reproduce so quickly and they eat grass, but people actually start dying from it.
Actually, I think that happened in Venezuela.
The rabbit starvation.
Yeah, I think that happened once.
No, maybe I'm thinking of a different country, but that's like a big thing to talk about.
People think you can do it.
You can't.
But I think it's interesting.
So wait, are you, you were in like a big, you're in a big city.
sydney watson
Yeah, I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
tim pool
It's apocalyptic when you're in a city and this stuff happens because you can't go hunt.
You can't go to a river for water.
You beg the government or you run, huh?
sydney watson
Well, I think this is a thing that people didn't realize because I had a couple friends who live in the UK who were in the cold.
It's been super cold in the UK and they're like, Sydney, it's just a bit of snow.
I get it.
Like, that's definitely a perspective to have.
But you're in a situation where you can't drive on the roads because they're just covered in snow and ice because no one, you know, no one in Texas is prepared for this.
luke rudkowski
I thought everyone in Texas had a pickup truck.
sydney watson
They do.
tim pool
And horses.
Horses could just run.
sydney watson
In the snow?
On the ice, as well?
Is that a thing?
tim pool
And they could drift.
The horses, like, power slide.
lydia smith
Okay, this is not a thing.
Alright, alright, alright.
sydney watson
It was just crap.
You know, everything was closed down.
I mean, look, when you go into the supermarkets, there's no food.
People are panic buying.
It was just a complete mess.
I wouldn't recommend it.
luke rudkowski
Was there vegan food?
tim pool
Yeah, the vegan food's also there.
luke rudkowski
Was it available?
sydney watson
I went in yesterday, and yeah, in the meat section, there was only vegan meat.
I'm looking at this, and I'm thinking... I'd buy it.
tim pool
It's not that bad.
luke rudkowski
You don't like Bill Gates' food?
Bill Gates is huge in the industry of creating fake meat.
He invested a ton of it, and now the mainstream media is running great puff pieces about how wonderful it is to eat fake meat.
unidentified
Hey, hey, hey.
tim pool
I think the vegan food's good.
sydney watson
I mean, I just don't like it when they call it chicken and when they call it meat.
Like, honey, real.
It's not chicken.
tim pool
They call it, like, chicken.
Because it's not!
unidentified
Yeah, and like, uh, what do they call it?
tim pool
Furky.
They don't call them boneless.
They call them wangs.
W A N G Z or whatever, because you can't legally call it chicken or whatever.
sydney watson
Cause it's not.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
sydney watson
It's not.
I love it when you go to like get a burger and they'll be like, Oh, it's a, it's, you
know, it's a chicken burger.
And I'm going, no it's not!
This is the antithesis of that.
This is vegetables.
Meat and vegetables.
Completely different entities.
Can we not?
ian crossland
Have you had the burgers where they reintroduce the heme?
The heme is like from the hemoglobin in your blood that makes it red.
So they extract it and introduce it into these plant-based things and they taste like real meat.
Animal meat, I guess.
tim pool
I don't think it tastes like meat ever.
sydney watson
But would that be still vegan?
Is that still vegan?
ian crossland
Well, yeah, that's a good... I don't know.
Yeah.
sydney watson
Because it comes from an animal?
ian crossland
I don't know if they derive the heme from animals in that case.
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
I think it's like... I don't think it is.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's really weird.
tim pool
Anyway, let's talk about the Muppets.
We also got Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Yes, I'm here in the corner listening to this fun conversation.
I'm Sour Patch Lids.
I push buttons.
tim pool
Let's just talk about the Muppets being racist.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is very important news.
The Muppets are racist.
And I think it's important you know this, and I think it's hilarious that Disney is basically burning down its own IP.
The Muppet Show.
Disney adds content warning over negative stereotypes.
Disney Plus has added a content warning at the beginning of 18 episodes of The Muppet Show, which started streaming on the platform on Friday.
The program includes negative depictions and or mistreatment of people or cultures.
These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now.
The disclaimer has been added to each of the episodes for different reasons, including one where Johnny Cash sings in front of the Confederate flag.
The Confederacy was the group of Southern states, as the BBC writing this might do, that fought to keep slavery during the U.S.
Civil War, and the flag is seen as a symbol of racism by many.
Disney's disclaimer added, Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact.
Learn from it, and spark conversations to create a more inclusive future together.
The advisory note comes after several months of revisionism around films and TV programs, which could be considered offensive by the standards of today.
So in this article, they have this really big image of the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp.
And the crazy thing is, like, are they trying to imply that these cats, like, are stereotypically Asian?
Do you guys know what the Siamese cats look like?
Nope.
They're drawings of cats.
What about these cats' faces am I supposed to think is racist?
Their eyes are long and pointed?
Is that what they're trying to claim?
They're cats.
Cats have pointy eyes or whatever.
sydney watson
Are we talking about the one where they say, we are Siamese if you please, and it's very Asian-y in the
unidentified
way that they do it?
lydia smith
Oh yeah, maybe.
sydney watson
I'm just saying, it's kind of...
What's that from, though?
Lady and the Tramp.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, the face is not so much, but it's the song that they sing, right?
That's probably what they're getting upset about.
It's because it's got the little music behind it.
ian crossland
Aren't they high on opium or something?
tim pool
Is that like an opium song?
No, dude.
Here's the main point, right?
Seth MacFarlane tweeted, this might be why we're having so much difficulty getting through to the far right.
And it says Disney Plus adds negative depictions.
Disclaimer to The Muppet Show.
What does that mean?
Seth MacFarlane, we can't get through to the far right.
What is he trying to say by that?
By telling people that The Muppet Show is racist, the far right won't listen to you?
sydney watson
Possibly.
tim pool
Is Seth MacFarlane saying— I mean, it makes sense.
Family Guy— I was watching Family Guy the other day, and there's an episode where Peter gets a whip.
He buys a whip, I guess.
And then it shows Cleveland— Cleveland Brown, who's a black character, and he's sitting on his couch.
And then you see Peter pull up to the front of his house, which makes no sense because Peter lives across the street, for those that actually watch the show.
And then he starts running towards the house with the whip, and then Cleveland's phone rings.
And it's Joe saying, just want to warn you, Cleveland, that Peter has a whip, and I think that matters to you based on your ethnical heritage.
And then Peter knocks on the door and says, you know, delivery of grape soda quarterly or something.
And then Cleveland Brown says, well, the risk is great, but the upside certainly worth it.
And he like walks over. The crazy thing about that is, and don't get me wrong, I clearly like
the show Family Guy, is that Cleveland Brown, they clearly were making a joke about grape soda
and black people. And Cleveland Brown is played by a white guy. So it's like Peter Griffin's going to
It's just like, all around the show definitely does tons of racist jokes.
But the main point is, Disney owns Family Guy.
Disney owns Family Guy, guys.
Okay, listen.
They bought them a long time ago, years ago.
If they're gonna come out and say the stereotypes were wrong for the Muppets back then, You're putting out the shows now!
What are you talking about?
luke rudkowski
Not only that, Tim, but this is the same Disney that publicly thanked the detention guards that were at the detention center for the Uyghur Muslims.
If you're talking about prioritizing some issues here, maybe not working with the Communist Chinese on detaining Uyghur Muslims and congratulating them might be a bigger issue than some Siamese cats.
I would just say, but that's my personal opinion.
tim pool
But this is the Muppets too.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, it's just ridiculousness that we're having these conversations about things that absolutely have no merit, absolutely have no effect, absolutely have no credence in any one existence in this world, but yet here we are fighting it.
I mean, when there's literally human slave labor, there's organ harvesting, there's other things happening in China that we can't even mention that, of course, are condoned or congratulated or approved of by Disney.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
I love it.
Disney fires Gina Carano because she said, don't demonize your neighbors.
They claim that Muppets is racist, and those stereotypes were wrong then, and they are wrong now.
Family Guy, which is owned by Disney, is just overtly making racist, anti-Semitic, and gay jokes all the time.
There's no uniformity in anything they do.
None of it makes sense, which is why I just don't understand why they care if the Muppets are racist or not.
ian crossland
You know, regarding Family Guy, I think Seth's kind of interesting because he's kind of like Chappelle.
His stuff is racial, but it's not racist.
He doesn't have ill intent when he does his work, or he doesn't seem to.
Same with Dave.
He can paint himself white and act like a white guy, making fun of white people, but Dave Chappelle is one of the most loving humans in the industry.
tim pool
Well, it's like George Carlin.
You know, he did this whole bit in the early 90s about, it's not the words, it's the person behind the words.
If someone's doing a comedy bit, like, George Carlin actually used all the racial slurs you can think of on his show.
He's not racist.
He was making a point about racism through humor.
If Disney is gonna come out and thank these concentration camp guards, claim the Muppets is racist, and then, like, what about all their other properties, too?
That's what I don't understand.
Was it, like, one employee at the Muppets show who was like, oh, we gotta make sure everybody knows this is racist, and had no power in other areas, or what?
sydney watson
It's probably because they're having all this attention drawn on them now regarding the Gina Carano thing.
That's probably why they're doing all of this.
It's like, I don't know.
I don't understand the purpose of retroactively judging something by today's standards.
I think that's where this issue comes in.
I mean, if you think about it, it's not... Seth MacFarlane also made American Dad, Did He Not?
tim pool
Yeah.
sydney watson
And that's also on the same level of super offensive content.
Which, I mean, mind you, I love American Dad.
I think it's funny.
And I love the humor in both of those.
Both American Dad and Family Guy, excuse me.
But I think the problem is that Disney, I think at this point, because they are getting so much heat right now from everyone on all sides, they're probably just going, and just making these really random unilateral decisions.
tim pool
Look, Family Guy is on 24-7.
You could turn on the TV.
sydney watson
Is that still being made?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure yeah yeah yeah there's actually a funny joke you know the Orville that's another show that Seth MacFarlane is doing and there's a there's a joke in a Family Guy episode where it's just Peter and Chris Griffin sitting next sitting in front of the TV and the TV goes and now back to the Orville and then Peter shoots the TV like a bunch of times And then Chris goes, Wow, Dad, you sure hate the Orville.
Why do you hate the Orville?
And then it's some random guy's voice, not Seth MacFarlane.
He goes, Because, Chris, the Orville is making it difficult for Seth to complete the Family Guy shows he's working on.
Something like that.
So anyway.
Family Guy is on 24-7.
You turn on the TV, it's on some channels.
It's on local channels.
It's on TBS and FXX.
It's on Cartoon Network.
It's on Fox.
New episodes on Hulu.
Disney owns Hulu.
They're not going to give up all that free cash.
So I just don't understand.
Maybe it's more like a culture revolution thing, right?
That's what I was saying.
Like, Seth MacFarlane is super, you know, traditional liberal, pro-Biden and all that stuff.
So they give him a pass because he benefits their party.
But they go after the Muppets because the Muppets is the old that must be purged or something.
sydney watson
Why is he making those jokes?
This is what I don't understand.
If Seth MacFarlane is a liberal, why is he making these jokes in the first place?
That's not their MO.
This is not the sort of humor that they come out with.
I think a lot of this, honestly, it's just kabuki theater as far as I'm concerned.
tim pool
Yeah.
sydney watson
I don't believe for a second that someone like that is a liberal.
I'm sorry.
I just don't.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't either.
I was shocked when he started getting political.
sydney watson
I just don't believe it.
luke rudkowski
Seth MacFarlane also whistleblowed on Harvey Weinstein way before anyone even knew who Harvey Weinstein was as far as his predatory kind of attacks and Kevin Spacey.
So he spoke out on this very nasty industry that's called Hollywood.
That's filled with predators and other things that I can't even say on this show because it's a family-friendly show and because of the YouTube censors.
But there's people in Hollywood that are absolutely evil, that's one way of describing it, that Seth has called out.
And, you know, let's be honest here.
Disney is a part of that larger kind of Hollywood institution that's not known for having the best record.
I mean, there's a reason Bob Igor, the executive chairman of Disney, was pinned by Biden to be the ambassador to China.
You know, there's a reason these multinational corporations are so tied in together, especially with big countries.
tim pool
That's why they did the cats, the Asian cats, because it offended China.
Could be.
I know Siam and China are the same thing.
luke rudkowski
And it's not far to speculate that because China many times has influenced Hollywood and had them edit out specific scenes.
Specific mentions even scripts China rewrote scripts of US Hollywood movies because they founded offenses or they didn't like it in Top Gun.
They even edited out Tom Cruise's jacket because it had mention of a war game between the United States and China.
And Tibet.
And there was even another mention of a war game between the United States and China.
Totally edited out.
Totally destroyed it.
Totally made it out.
So when we have China dictating what Americans could see in Hollywood, that should worry everyone on a larger scale than just, oh look, a Siamese cat.
Look, a Muppet's here.
It's ridiculous.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
If we're going to get into cleaning Hollywood and making sure it's It's going to be a good industry.
You're going to have to do some deep cleaning on some rotten, nasty, disgusting, some would even say satanic individuals.
tim pool
I'm optimistic on a lot of political stuff a little bit.
Like I was talking about this on my main channel earlier, just that it seems like the establishment political machine in this country has a serious problem with the best they could muster to stop Trump and Bernie Sanders is Joe Biden.
Like, what are they going to do in 2024?
They got nobody left.
The populist left is growing.
The populist right ain't going nowhere.
Trump says, I'm coming.
So that makes me optimistic that, not for either of those parties necessarily, but that the establishment machine is on the ropes and struggling.
But then I gotta tell you, I'm really pessimistic when I hear this stuff.
Like, if Seth MacFarlane, check it out, he did call out Weinstein.
He was on an awards show or something like that, where he said something about it.
He just, like, said it on, like, a Grammy or something.
luke rudkowski
He made slide jokes about him being a predator and abusing children.
And then also on his show, mentioned it.
tim pool
On Family Guy.
They mentioned it several times.
And Kevin Spacey.
But no, there was, like, an awards ceremony or something where Seth MacFarlane, like, basically said it.
And he's also, interestingly, Seth MacFarlane knows a ton of secrets about Hollywood.
They—he called out Weinstein, he called out Kevin Spacey, and they also called out Bruce—Bruce Jenner transitioned to Caitlyn Jenner in 2009, and then they later were like, look, see?
But it's because Seth MacFarlane—they act like, oh no, he got it right.
No, Seth MacFarlane knows all of this Hollywood stuff.
He leaked some of it.
The crazy thing is, if that's the best Hollywood has in terms of, like, actually calling it out, is Seth MacFarlane sometimes putting a joke out there?
Because he knows it's happening.
But when did Seth MacFarlane come out and say, Ladies and gentlemen, I have a very important announcement to make.
Harvey Weinstein is doing these horrible things.
No, he made a joke about it.
Kevin Spacey is doing these horrible things.
No, it's Stewie running through the mall making a joke about it.
luke rudkowski
But this is the thing, Seth made a joke about something that people in Hollywood knew for over 30 years.
For 30 years, they knew that there was this monster Weinstein, connected to, of course, the Clintons, bankrolling a lot of the Democrats, tightly connected to all the ruling elites and upper establishments.
And they knew he was hurting people for over 30 years in unspeakable ways, ways we can't even mention on this YouTube channel.
And yet the only thing that happened was Seth just made some snide jokes about it.
I mean, it's disgusting to even think about it this way.
sydney watson
Yeah, but what's the option though?
Is it what he says something and then what?
Like he actually comes out and says, hey guys, this is actually happening.
What if no one's prepared to back him?
luke rudkowski
That's how Bill Cosby went down.
It was a comedian that took down Bill Cosby, Hannibal Buress, that made jokes about it.
And he was like, guys, this is not a joke.
Everyone was laughing, thinking he was joking about Bill Cosby.
But that's literally, it literally took a comedian to bring down Bill Cosby, another horrible person within the entertainment Hollywood industry that again, sells their soul to the highest bidder.
Who has the most amount of money?
Usually China.
sydney watson
Sorry, go ahead.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think that Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are on the same level in the sense of power control and all that sort of stuff.
Not that I'm obviously a Hollywood executive that knows the ins and outs of all of it, but I would argue that Weinstein probably wields a lot more power than, say, you know... Definitely.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and he wielded it.
tim pool
They're both huge, you know, in terms of how they manipulate people.
luke rudkowski
But this is the thing.
In the letter of the law in the United States, if you know a crime is happening and you don't do anything about it, you're an accessory to that crime.
tim pool
No, that's not necessarily true.
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends on the circumstances and the situations, and there's many variables we can entertain here, but when you know someone is...
tim pool
30 years. If it was happening in his studios and his like...
luke rudkowski
The NYPD literally ran investigations when they had undercover operatives be abused by Weinstein
and they still didn't do nothing.
So the NYPD literally had audio tapes of Weinstein abusing a woman that was working
undercover for the NYPD and the NYPD sat on it. Why? Why?
Okay. Yeah.
He's connected to the Clintons.
sydney watson
This is what I'm saying!
luke rudkowski
That's one speculation, but he's a very powerful connected person.
sydney watson
This is what I'm saying!
Why would someone call him out if he thinks that, oh, you know what, I don't want to end up as, you know, part of, like, the Clintons' death tally.
Like, I mean, I don't know how many people believe in all the conspiratorial stuff surrounding them, but, like, why would you call it out if you're gonna get... But that in itself, the whole Harvey Weinstein story is a conspiracy within itself.
luke rudkowski
and you have a choice. Yeah, they were covering it up. Yeah, they were actively covering up. So,
if you know something's wrong, you have a choice. Either allow it to happen or speak out against it
and maybe something will happen, maybe something won't happen, but the right thing to do is always
speak out against someone that's a monster and has been described as a monster that has done
unspeakable things that are absolutely disgusting.
And these are the people that are protected within the industry that's now lecturing us about what's appropriate and not appropriate for us to see.
I mean, I'm just sick of it.
I'm just absolutely sick of it because it's not just the dem of vipers, it's a dem of child abusing, let's be honest here, individuals who don't give a damn about anyone and don't play by the same rules as everyone else.
tim pool
Well, to be specific, that was, uh, was it Corey Haim or Feldman?
luke rudkowski
Corey Feldman.
unidentified
Both of them.
tim pool
They called out these, like, I'm not going to name some of these individuals because, but, uh... It's not just him.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of celebrities.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They were calling out the... Oh, right, right, right.
They were calling out the abusers themselves.
And a lot of these guys end up finally getting caught, but it takes... It's crazy that you have these people, these whistleblowers, and nothing happens.
Because these people, these powerful people in industry, they don't... The industry is selling sex.
ian crossland
And that's what they'll tell you if you're in that industry, to your face, as your manager.
They'll say, you're very sexy.
We want to sell your sex.
It's crazy.
Your own manager.
tim pool
But I'll tell you this, Luke...
In order to call them out, people would need spines.
That's not a common thing these days, man.
We're a wealthy nation, and you look at the NBA, you look at these people who are just like, hey, China, tell me whatever you want, because you've got money.
You look at all these professors that are getting busted for spying for China.
Then you look at, you know, like you mentioned, Bob, was it Bob Iger, I think?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Bob Iger.
tim pool
Biden wanted him to be the ambassador to China.
Is that happening?
luke rudkowski
We don't know yet.
I haven't seen any updates on that yet, but he pinned him as the guy he wanted in there.
The Washington Post surprisingly wrote an article about how that's a bad idea.
I was surprised by that.
Obviously, it's a very bad idea, but surprised to see it in the Washington Post.
But I haven't heard any updates about that.
I think the position is still up and hasn't been decided.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, let's talk about the next ultra woke story here.
So this is something that's been going viral quite a bit.
We got this from Newsweek.
Coca-Cola facing backlash says be less white.
Learning plan was about workplace inclusion.
That's the gist of the story.
Coca-Cola is facing a mounting backlash from conservatives online.
That's what I really love about how they frame this.
Conservatives are upset.
Ian, are you a conservative?
ian crossland
Well, not really.
Sometimes, I guess.
tim pool
Do you think it's absurd that Coca-Cola told his employees to be less white?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
tim pool
So, Newsweek, you need to correct your story.
It's not just conservative.
ian crossland
It actually says that?
Be less white?
tim pool
Try to be less white.
ian crossland
That's ridiculous.
If I heard that and I was okay, I'd be like, darken my skin?
Like, with a crayon?
tim pool
That's what I was saying, like, first, like, I thought, you know, like, putting on bronzer and stuff is racist.
luke rudkowski
Ian, it's literally a slide that says, try to be less white.
And the way that they describe white is oppressive, arrogant, and ignorant.
ian crossland
Now, if you said, be less oppressive, arrogant, and ignorant, that's all you were saying.
luke rudkowski
No, no, no, they're saying, if you're white, you are oppressive, arrogant, and ignorant.
tim pool
And I have to point out, um, you know, Luke and I are both not white.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
That's wrong.
I'm double white.
luke rudkowski
You're, you're like triple white.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, not anymore.
Not anymore.
luke rudkowski
According to who?
tim pool
The protesters in New York.
So the Asians were getting attacked and they said, march against white nationalism.
And that proves that Asians are now minorities again.
luke rudkowski
Oh.
unidentified
Are they?
tim pool
I'm looking it up right now so I can get my card.
According to the Coalition of People of, what is it, Coalition of Communities of Color.
luke rudkowski
I'm looking it up right now so I can get my card.
I'm getting my privilege card ready, hold on.
tim pool
There's an organization called, it's called the Coalition of Communities of Color,
and they say Slavic people are not white.
So for Luke here, who's literally got, you know, what color's your hair, Luke?
You say strawberry blonde, brown?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, strawberry blonde.
tim pool
Dirty blonde. Blue eyes.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
White skin.
Big nose. Big nose.
You're not white.
luke rudkowski
Putin looking like.
tim pool
Putin look alike.
luke rudkowski
You're not white.
tim pool
So try and be more like Luke, apparently Coke is saying.
sydney watson
I don't understand this.
So you're not considered white.
luke rudkowski
I was born in Poland.
So being born in Poland, I'm a Slavic individual.
tim pool
Victims of communism.
sydney watson
I think you're literally paler than I am.
And I'm pale.
luke rudkowski
How dare you make an observation like this.
I am pink, okay?
sydney watson
No, you're beige, beige, beige.
luke rudkowski
I like beige better.
tim pool
This is what they're trying to say though.
They're saying it's like politically white.
sydney watson
Well this is the thing they make this distinction this is the weirdest thing about liberals today I just this stuff kills me they make this distinction between white people and whiteness all the time as if it somehow makes what they're saying less racist like it's this thing that they're like you know what I mean like on a fundamental level being a white person is okay but having a whiteness this internalized thing that you can have as just any person not okay and it's like Yep.
All right.
Cool.
Makes sense.
tim pool
It's so insidious how they tie negative traits towards the idea of being white.
And then when you call them out for racist, they go, oh, no, no, no, we don't mean your race.
We mean, it's just a word.
And you're like, no, but if no one understands that you're literally talking about race.
My favorite thing with this story.
There's a couple articles.
One of them said, it said Coca-Cola is accused of reverse racism for saying, try to be less white.
I haven't heard anybody said that's reverse racist.
Everyone just saying it's literally racist.
luke rudkowski
Another thing that's really important to kind of point out here.
You brought up the rally that happened in New York City where hundreds of people came out against the rally against white nationalism for Noel Quintana.
Noel Quintana was a Filipino man that was slashed across the face, beat up brutally.
Not by a white guy.
People are saying this was a racially motivated attack.
It's all because of white nationalism.
The guy who attacked him wasn't white.
tim pool
Was he black?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Same in San Francisco.
There's another report of a hate crime and there's another call for a rally against white nationalism.
And again, the victim was Asian and the perpetrator was not white.
tim pool
This is the biggest problem I have with it.
First, I need you to clarify, so I'm once again not white?
Is that what's happening here?
luke rudkowski
Well, you're like, you know, you have a lot of privilege, so you're getting kicked out of universities.
tim pool
That's true.
luke rudkowski
Because you're too smart.
tim pool
So the problem I have is these well-to-do liberal progressive types are focusing on some racial ideology that literally nothing to do with these crimes, making it harder for us to actually have activism around these crimes.
I don't care if the perpetrator was white or black or Asian or Latino.
I care that the crime that was committed was illegal and someone got hurt.
So how about we rally against violence?
We rally against racially motivated violence.
They make it about white nationalism, and then there's no real conversation about what's driving the racism in these communities.
The problem is, if they acknowledge that, guess what?
Black people can be racist, Asian people, Asian people are really racist, particularly in Asia.
I'm not super, you know, I know a lot of American Asian people as well, who are pretty good, because Americans, we grew up in this culture, we tend to do a better job.
But my friends and people I know who have come from Asian countries, they tend to be pretty racist, right?
Anybody of any race can be racist, have prejudicial views, and view others as superior or inferior.
It is rampant in Southeast Asia, no joke.
And if we can't acknowledge that because these well-to-do white progressives are obsessed with themselves, and they think somehow white is superior or privileged, like, I'm sorry, man, that is leftist white supremacy.
This idea that their race is paramount and privileged above all others, and that no matter what happens, no matter who commits the crime, it's not the fault of the individual who committed the crime.
It's white.
Like, these people really hold themselves to such esteem that no matter... It's remarkable.
No matter who commits the crime, they're like, well, actually, it's all about white people.
I'm like, dude, you're racist.
That's not true, man.
luke rudkowski
And actually, you know, traveling the world, whether it was Asia, Africa, Latin America, you realize that holy cow, the world's really racist.
And I'll just be honest here.
You know, I'm not a big nationalist at all.
I don't I don't like governments at all.
But the United States, honestly, is one of the least racist places that I've, you know, seen and was able to observe.
tim pool
It is the least racist place I've ever been to.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Same.
tim pool
No joke.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
You travel to Africa.
You travel to Asia.
You travel to Latin America.
Your eyes will open up to the reality of the world.
tim pool
Sweden.
Sweden was more racist than the United States when I went there.
It was shockingly racist.
But maybe racist isn't necessarily the right word.
Xenophobic is probably a better word for it.
And I know that word gets thrown around a lot by progressives in this country, but no, let me explain.
We interviewed this woman who was American, who spoke Swedish, got married to a Swede, moved to Sweden, and she couldn't get a job.
And she said it's because nobody wants to hire someone with an accent.
So it wasn't even about the race.
It was about, you're not Swedish.
So it's super nationalistic in a sense.
And what I discovered, especially in Sweden, especially from many minorities who are working on trying to end this stuff, they would say like, Swedes very much like to pretend that they're not racist, but they are super racist.
So what they'll do is they'll be like, we're going to help all these poor minorities and then put them all into like some community with limited resources and do nothing for them and watch it fester and then just claim to everybody how not racist they are.
Super racist.
luke rudkowski
The people pretending not to be racist are usually the biggest racist.
Yeah, same with homophobes.
The biggest homophobes are usually the biggest guys who are in the closet.
Let's just be honest here.
tim pool
What about those Republicans who are super anti-gay but then turned out to be gay?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that Republican who was caught in the bathroom by police officers trying to solicit from an undercover police officer some interesting activity.
I'm family friendly.
Don't worry, Tim.
I'm going to be very family friendly here.
Another thing to really kind of consider here is that, you know, a lot of people are attributing, you know, white nationalism to, you know, different people of race, you know, beating each other up.
But this is happening in New York City.
This is happening in San Francisco, where we're seeing these rallies and we're seeing these kind of alleged hate crimes.
But we have to understand crime is going up dramatically in these places.
Regardless of race, it's becoming more of a violent, more of a criminal place where even A two-year-old got punched in the head by a panhandler in a New York City subway just recently.
There was other footage of a guy beating another one with a baseball bat brutally.
The amount of violence that is overtaking New York City is really reaching proportions that are unlivable for many people.
It's one of the reasons I left.
I'm never going to be coming back there ever again.
And this is the city that I grew up in.
This is the city that I was raised in.
And it's even coming back to a place where when I first came into it, it was extremely violent, Extremely somewhere we don't want to be.
tim pool
be. So let's we'll bring it back to this Coca-Cola thing where they're telling people to be less
white. This weird try to be less white thing is the result of people who refuse to acknowledge
the problems in their community and look for a scapegoat.
If if there is an Asian man who is slashed across the face attacked by a black person, race
doesn't need to be the defining like the law was broken.
You can't slash people in the face.
What happens then is you get these activists, these progressives, scapegoating the problem, making it about white nationalism instead of general crime, violence, poverty, etc., so the problem doesn't get solved.
And then people who don't understand what the march is all about Instead of going after the core issues, class issues for one, they then start saying, we need to tell everybody to be less white because you see what happens to that poor Asian man.
I'm like, that had nothing to do with it.
Now all of a sudden you got Coca-Cola.
They don't know what that means, be less white.
They have no idea what that is.
They read it in the Robin DiAngelo book.
That woman is an avowed racist.
She says she's a racist.
Why are you teaching people to be like a racist woman?
It makes no sense.
sydney watson
It's funny because when you talk about this as someone who's grown up in a different country, like Australia, and obviously Australia is pretty ethno-homogenous in the sense that, you know, I think the population is 90% white or something like that.
You have this perception of the US when you come here and then when you see what the communities are like, I agree with you in the sense that there's a lot of Non-self-accountability that goes down in particular communities.
As someone who has now lived in the US for almost two years, who's observed a lot of it, as a completely objective third-party observer, I have no personal interest in the racial affairs of the United States.
But when I watch this stuff, And when you are treated by, in a certain way, by particular groups of people, you come to realize that it's not the white population, in my opinion.
Maybe I'm saying this because I'm a white person.
That's probably what people would say.
But as a white person, I don't think that it's the white population that's even the racist group in this country.
I don't know if, I don't know if you guys would agree with that, but as an outsider, someone who's come into it, I think that there's a lot of... I think you're wrong.
You think the white population is the most racist?
tim pool
Absolutely.
sydney watson
All the time?
luke rudkowski
They're called liberals.
tim pool
Yeah, they're called Democrats.
sydney watson
No, but generally, like, white, like, even, I know you guys are joking, but like... No, we're not.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no.
sydney watson
No, white liberals, yeah, for sure, but like, normal people, you and me, I don't care what you look like, just be normal to me.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right, right, but listen, listen.
I think I understand what you're trying to say, that you're talking about, like, negative racism, where someone would attack a person of another race, right?
sydney watson
No, I'm talking about the fact that, like, America—so I don't see white people going around and going, you know what we should do?
We should put anyone who's not white in internment camps.
tim pool
We should— But that's—see, that's one aspect of racism.
When you have a bunch of white people saying white is bad—so there's a chart that shows in-group, out-group preference among different races, and they split up.
White by liberal and conservative.
Liberals are the only group with an out-group preference.
White liberals are quite literally the most racist.
So the in-group preference among Black, Asian, Latino is less, I believe, than the out-group preference of white liberals.
sydney watson
But I don't consider their opinions when I talk about anything because I think they're so radical.
I really do.
I think they're so radical that I don't even register.
The far left to me, the people that you're talking about, to me they're so far gone that I don't even register their opinions.
luke rudkowski
This is major companies.
These are the establishment pushing these talking points.
We're talking about governments, universities, high schools, major corporations pushing these talking points, these lectures by Robin DiAngelo, this white woman who's trying to make sure people don't understand that she's also white.
tim pool
She's racist.
luke rudkowski
She says she's racist.
tim pool
Since when do we take our talking points from racists?
luke rudkowski
Coca-Cola employs a large number of employees and this influence, this kind of conjecture of how bad it is to be white, how bad it is to be born of a certain DNA assembly, It's just absolutely ridiculous, but this is the institutions that set policies.
These are young minds of children that are being taught this in schools every single day.
This is going to become the new norm, this kind of line of thinking, if it's not challenged.
And it's not challenged.
It's coming back under the Biden presidency, and it's going to be institutionalized so much to the point where this is the new normal.
sydney watson
It already is institutionalized.
I mean, literally, like, the newest video that I made, I literally just posted this yesterday, is about, like, I have a series, White People Bad, and it's basically just where I find the most ridiculous things on the internet of people... I'm trying not to swear, Tim, I'm trying to think of alternate words.
People just attacking white people over just nonsense and there was one thing that I found that really disturbed me and it came from I believe the original post was basically white people can experience murder and I and I went and looked into that yeah it was mental I went and looked I looked into it a little bit and I believe that it's more or less a troll post came from like 4chan you know when they want to like rile people up because I couldn't find it on any lefty forums but when I
read it I was like this sounds like saying a regressive leftist would say but that's that was
not the disturbing part the disturbing thing was a video that I found that had been um screened
effectively at a university so to speak in San Francisco called why don't we murder more white
unidentified
people what what yes what yes Yup.
sydney watson
No, no.
It's like, I encourage people.
I'm not going to float my own channel, but I put a bunch of clips in this video.
Um, no, it's just, I mean, like I just, it was the most- What's the name of the video?
The video on my channel?
luke rudkowski
That you did about this.
sydney watson
White people bad part three.
It's literally the newest video, but this thing was mental.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
unidentified
Disgusting.
tim pool
The area I grew up in was very just mixed, a bunch of different, you know, we had Polish immigrants, we had
Latino, we had Asian, we had black people, and we all got along with each other, and I think it was because we all
live next to each other, you know what I mean?
When you say, do you not think white people are the most racist, I would say if you have this view of racism as like
a guy walks into a store and they say, we don't serve your kind round niche parts.
But we're talking about literal racism.
The white progressives in this country are substantially, exponentially more racist than any other group I've ever encountered.
I've been all over the country, been all over the planet, and it was amazing when I first went to Occupy Wall Street.
Before Occupy Wall Street I hadn't left the country.
But I had been all over the country in various places.
I had been in conservative areas.
I had been on military bases.
I got to, you know, I hung out with people who are religious and pro-life.
And I really didn't think racism was all that prominent.
I thought, like, this is it.
Like, we've done away with these old stereotypes.
There's still problems.
You know, the remnants of blockbusting and redlining persisted into the 80s and still exist in some forms today.
But I'm like, man, we really are winning and crushing these racists.
And then I went to Occupy Wall Street.
And the progressives segregated everybody based on race into different groups based on their race.
And your voting privileges in the community was determined partially based on your race.
So they had some groups where it was like the Black Caucus got a vote in how money was spent simply because it was a group of black people.
But then you had like the Sanitation Working Group.
They got a vote on spending money based on the fact that they all cleaned and were sanitary.
And so I was like, I don't understand why voting power is derived based on the fact that you're a group of people based on race.
And they were like, you just don't understand because, you know, we got to just, you know, break down all the racism, whatever.
There was one black dude at Occupy Wall Street, not super involved, and he was chilling.
I saw him arguing with somebody one day.
That's not at Zuccotti Park.
And I overheard him talking, and then he was disparaging Occupy Wall Street.
It was interesting.
So I went up to him and I was like, hey, bro, you're hanging out here?
You think this is crazy?
And he went, bro, do you have any idea what the press would say if they found out y'all are segregating people based on race into different colored groups?
That's crazy!
And I was like, I agree with you!
These people are nuts!
I had never experienced that kind of racism in my life.
I have met racist, redneck conservative types.
And I have heard them say horrible things.
But it's always like... So I had an Uber driver once, who was like, it was in Virginia.
And this guy was super racist.
He slowly started, we were talking about politics, and then he mentioned something particularly racist, and then immediately walked it back.
Because he knew it was not socially acceptable.
So that guy was a racist, but he couldn't say it.
One of the other interesting aspects of Occupy Wall Street, being there from the very beginning to the very end, was to see it kind of emerge into two different classes.
Pola hires them to teach their employees how to be racist.
Welcome to America 2021, it's insane.
luke rudkowski
One of the other interesting aspects of Occupy Wall Street being there from the very beginning to the very end
was to see it kind of emerge into two different classes.
We had the uptown area, which had all the liberals and all the white people in the libraries,
and then we had the downtown area.
And then the uptown and the downtown area had an internal conflict and fight within Occupy Wall Street.
So seeing these social dynamics kind of recreate itself in our main society was amazing and incredible to see in real life as it kind of unfolded on this kind of timescale.
But another thing I wanted to bring up, Babylon Bee made some really good points today.
and they brought up seven points about how to be less white.
tim pool
No!
No!
luke rudkowski
If you don't mind, I'm going to read some of them.
I'm not going to read all of them, but I think there's some important takeaways here.
Number five, it says throw away all of your ranch dressing.
Ranch dressing, mayo, it's all gotta go.
tim pool
No, I love mayo.
luke rudkowski
Number seven, it says hate yourself every walking moment until you have sufficiently atoned to your whiteness.
Oops, spoiler alert, you'll never sufficiently atone for your whiteness.
Better go back to step three.
unidentified
Step three is to terminate yourself.
tim pool
Terminate functions.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, terminate your internal functions from working as a human being.
And then there you go.
Racism ended forever.
So Babylon would be a pretty interesting article.
sydney watson
You say it like it's a joke though.
Rip off your skin.
What's weird is they're making a joke, but did you guys see that cut video that came out like three months ago that talked about like all the reasons white people are the worst in the world?
Like what are white people superior at?
Did you guys see that?
unidentified
No.
sydney watson
Okay, I'm surprised that you didn't because this video basically... I think I did see it.
I'm sure you guys did like basically it was it was a group of they collected a hundred black folks with an X love that for them and got them in a room and said what are white people superior at and it starts off like real light-hearted like haha mayonnaise like okay White people love their dogs, at one bit, and then it goes into, oh, they're better at oppression, they're better at white supremacy, they're better at murder, they're better at... It's so not true, because I gotta be honest, Asians are just so much better at a lot of these things.
tim pool
No joke, like, gang is con, man.
sydney watson
Mongolia would like to speak to you.
Japan.
Japan wants to have a conversation, guys.
Japan has a lot to say about this.
tim pool
I found out that I was... I always thought I was a quarter Korean, and then I found out I'm actually 5% Japanese through DNA tests, and then I was like, you know why that happened?
sydney watson
Buddy, gotta return.
Mmm, no, but I mean this is the thing is that you make jokes about it But then you go and watch this content that mind you is still up on YouTube doesn't break any freaking Guidelines and things that has people literally saying that white people are the best at oppression.
Okay.
unidentified
Well, thank you Well, what's uh, let's let's say good things.
What what what what are white people good at?
sydney watson
Um, tanning?
No.
tim pool
Figure skating?
Is that true?
Country dancing?
Square dancing?
Uh, capitalism.
sydney watson
It even feels dirty to say it.
tim pool
I don't know, technology?
luke rudkowski
Ian, go.
ian crossland
No one's white.
It's such a weird phrase.
It's such a weird descriptor.
tim pool
Whaling?
Actually, no, it's not even true.
Japanese are way better at whaling.
luke rudkowski
What the heck?
sydney watson
Fishing!
unidentified
Fishing!
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this.
ian crossland
Hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Let me tell you about skateboarding stereotypes.
I'm gonna tell you about skateboarding stereotypes, alright?
These are stereotypes that I'm not saying are true, but were brought up to me when I was young in skateboarding.
Asian skateboarders tend to be good at technical skateboarding, which means they can do extremely complicated maneuvers.
So it's like combining the most tricks into one trick.
Black skateboarders tend to, and again, this is a stereotype that people in skateboarding have said, tend to be able to ollie better than anybody and do some of the best flat ground skating.
And then white people are really good at jumping off buildings.
No joke.
These are the stereotypes.
Again, I'm not saying I agree with them or even support these ideas, but these are stereotypes that emerge.
So when people joke, I'll tell you this too.
You want to hear racism?
But that no one cares about?
Go to a skate park and you'll hear the N-word more times than you've ever heard it in your life.
And nobody cares.
It's all just like urban culture.
You get people of all different races saying it over and over again.
So these are stereotypes that get brought up.
And so typically what people will say is like when they talk about, you know, what are white people good at?
It's like, man, they can jump off buildings and jump down railings, basically.
And this does align kind of with conquest and oppression, in my opinion.
War.
You know?
World War, Europe, a lot of conflict.
And I was reading about this, and I was reading that it was because population density in Europe was nowhere to go.
Whereas in North America, Asia, and Africa, you actually can flee in the event of conflict and crisis.
In Europe, they couldn't.
So those who survived were those willing to fight more.
You know?
sydney watson
That makes sense.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true, though.
You know?
But it does fall in line kind of with what they were saying about oppression or whatever.
sydney watson
Well, I mean, like, I guess that some of the biggest empires were, what, Roman?
Greek?
Oh, no, the, uh, the... I know they said UK.
Yeah, no, the Ottoman Empire was massive.
luke rudkowski
The Spanish, the French, the English.
sydney watson
No, but who were the biggest?
Because then, if we really want to, I mean, like... The English, technically.
The English Empire was, what, that took over, like, 40% of... Genghis Khan as well.
He was pretty dope, man.
I don't know about dope.
The murdering, not so much.
I watched Marco Polo recently, that show.
Honestly, he was pretty good.
I learned some stuff.
Apparently, it's Changus, not Genghis.
I've been saying it wrong my whole life.
tim pool
Wait, it's Changus, Con?
sydney watson
It's Changus.
tim pool
Like Big Changus?
sydney watson
Yep.
tim pool
Chungus.
It was Big Chungus.
That's the meme.
sydney watson
Apparently, it's a C sound rather than a G sound, so I've been saying that wrong my whole life.
tim pool
I heard he enforced civil rights.
ian crossland
Yeah.
sydney watson
He did.
He was a weird one because he, even though he took over so much land, it was almost like what the Romans did, where the Romans went in and were like, okay, this is ours now.
You can still do your own thing, but we're still going to tax you and whatever, but you can stay here and do whatever.
But what?
tim pool
I figured out what white people are good at.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Communism.
lydia smith
Oh yeah!
tim pool
Wait.
No, no, no.
They're not good at it.
They failed.
Every time.
Everyone did.
sydney watson
100% of the time.
tim pool
But Karl Marx invented it.
Or, like, he didn't invent it.
He, like, kind of wrote about it.
luke rudkowski
Now, there was a racist.
Oh my goodness.
If you look at his letters, oh my... Spicy.
Yeah.
Don't.
Don't.
sydney watson
Isn't it weird that all these people that, like, white liberals uphold to this standard are honestly some of the worst humans when it comes to the treatment of other racial groups?
luke rudkowski
Che Guevara.
Mao Zedong.
sydney watson
Solid.
tim pool
Well, you know what was really interesting?
So I, you know, listening to The Beatles, you have the song Revolution, and he has that line, when I was a little kid I did not understand what this meant, but if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
lydia smith
Yeah, apparently you will.
tim pool
I was a little kid.
I didn't understand what that meant.
I was like, hey, Chairman, yeah, like, you know, and I was like a little kid singing Beatles and like, you know, running around playing guitar or whatever.
And then I got older and I was like, oh, I get it.
He was saying, yo, don't support authoritarian communists, bro.
Like, that's pretty legit.
And I don't know, maybe his message didn't work out all that well.
sydney watson
Yeah, well, obviously it didn't.
tim pool
Yeah, because these people are all about it.
sydney watson
Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
They want to they want to turn America into what?
Like a socialist utopia.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm excited.
sydney watson
Mmm, I can't wait to be like standing in my breadline, you know, getting like besieged.
Oh my god.
I can't wait.
So excited.
lydia smith
I'm stoked.
sydney watson
Yeah, it's gonna be great.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, my family doesn't have good reviews of communism from what they went through.
unidentified
How many stars?
luke rudkowski
Zero.
There's no stars in communism.
unidentified
There's only redistribution of stars for everyone.
luke rudkowski
Everyone gets a star in communism.
unidentified
Everybody gets one.
One.
lydia smith
Only one.
tim pool
All right, so let's use this as a point to jump to the next story.
So this is something I was talking about earlier.
It's from the Daily Mail.
Democratic representatives write to cable companies, including AT&T and Comcast and streamers, Amazon and Hulu, demanding they drop Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax over misinformation.
I did want to jump into this.
We're coming off the other segment, but we did that whole spiel with the Coca-Cola thing.
But, uh, this is interesting to me because basically we can see, like, Disney claiming Muppets are racist and all that stuff.
So let me get this straight.
Disney is allowed to literally run a show of racist Muppets, but Tucker Carlson should be pulled off the air?
That's basically what they're saying when Democrats write to these cable companies to remove conservative news channels.
Also, I mean, the ramifications of this.
This is the government, agents of the government, trying to force private companies into shutting down their political rivals.
luke rudkowski
To be fair, Tucker Carlson kind of looks like one of the Muppets.
I forgot which one, but there's like a news reporter one.
sydney watson
But he does.
luke rudkowski
It's a compliment.
Also, another thing, they're going after Fox News for spreading misinformation and quote conspiracy theories.
I mean, these are from Democratic Congress members calling for CEOs of TV companies and internet providers to take down another news channel that doesn't subscribe to the same notions.
I don't like Fox.
I made a shirt against Fox, even myself.
unidentified
Did you?
luke rudkowski
in CNN with the toilet and everything. I don't like any of these kind of partisan networks,
but the bigger kind of understanding here is if these people are going to take them
down for misinformation and conspiracy theories, they have to take themselves down at the same
tim pool
time. I thought of a funny joke. Did you? So we were just talking about the previous
segment like what are white people good at? And then you mentioned some people said oppression.
Yeah, but you see, they only steal that from China, right?
So I was, I'm looking, we're looking at the story and I'm like, I'm thinking about these, like these, these Democrats trying to get news banned.
And I'm like, man, maybe they really are good at oppressing.
Wait a minute.
What they're doing is a rip off of what China already did.
And then I thought it's another funny joke because then the other stereotype about white people that you get from the progressives is that they steal culture.
So maybe right now the Democrats are really good at stealing the authoritarianism from these despotic nations.
sydney watson
Hey, it's an idea.
That is an idea.
I mean, look, I think China was very good at banning basically all media that didn't agree with the government.
So they're like right ahead of us.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm sorry.
These white progressives are just not good at oppression.
They're trying, though.
sydney watson
Is this cultural appropriation, then?
unidentified
Are they appropriating?
tim pool
Oh, they should stop.
I'm sorry.
It is racist for them to try and shut down opinions of those they don't like.
sydney watson
Exactly.
tim pool
Because they're just ripping off China.
sydney watson
There you go.
Take note, liberals.
Take note.
tim pool
What does this look, Ian?
Stroking your beard.
ian crossland
I've taken a long one.
tim pool
It was a lot.
Look, I wonder to what degree this is a violation of the First Amendment.
sydney watson
What, trying to shut down other news channels?
tim pool
Yeah, well, what these Democrats are doing, they're agents of government, and they're going and trying to get political views taken off.
They're not going to these channels.
They're literally going to the providers and saying, you know, why are you still hosting them, this misinformation, these lies?
I mean, it's the kind of stuff that makes me pessimistic.
It makes me feel like we're headed towards absurdity.
I don't know, authoritarianism.
ian crossland
They're doing too much, these politicians.
If you're driving down the road on a freeway, you don't need to be turning left and right.
And it's like we got people in jobs that don't need to be there anymore or something.
They don't need to change it.
tim pool
You know what you like?
You've talked about this before, Ian, that like, maybe we don't
need these politicians anymore.
You mentioned like less politicians and like different branches and stuff like that.
I'm wondering if, you know, why do they make new laws?
You know what I mean?
They're constantly making new laws.
Why do they get rid of old ones?
sydney watson
Well, that's the thing is like, so with this whole lockdown stuff,
and this is totally on my side, but it goes to what you said.
I always think like governments are really good at stomping on your freedoms.
How often do they give them back?
So it's like when they legislate it's like you said like for every and I think that was Trump's thing you know for every how many laws were passed you know however many were repealed and I think that or you know all this red tape was cut and I think that you're right like they're always passing new laws but it's like for what?
What are you doing, actually, day to day, that is necessary, that needs to be done?
It's more regulation most of the time.
tim pool
Taking your guns away.
lydia smith
Yes.
sydney watson
They're getting there.
They're trying.
luke rudkowski
So they did it in Australia.
And then after they took away the firearms in Australia, the Australian government locked down and clamped down on its citizenry more than almost any government out there, especially when it came to the COVID restrictions.
And it was kind of It still is absurd to see what they're able to get away with over there.
sydney watson
Oh, it's terrible.
Like, I don't know.
So Aussies and I, I think, have just a fundamental disagreement.
Some Aussies and I have a fundamental disagreement when it comes to this.
This is part of why I left.
Because my frustration was like, I'm watching America, which, mind you, I know that a lot of Americans think that America is just rightly screwed right now.
To some extent, maybe, but you still have a constitution and a bill of rights and a bunch of stuff that protects you.
Australians, not so much.
We don't have freedom of speech.
That's an implied thing in our constitution.
We don't have a bill of rights.
We have five rights in our constitution.
And there are things like freedom of religion and, you know, you can move between states and things like that.
So watching what was going down with all the lockdown stuff, having no guns, yada, yada, yada.
It was honestly really, you know, I'm here in the US and I'm thinking, I'm so lucky to live in a country where I can actually just basically be like, you know what, nah, and do what I want.
I think that that's great.
Even living in Texas, you can just buy a billion guns.
luke rudkowski
In Australia, there was people who organized protests on Facebook and literally had police officers break down their front door when they were having dinners with their family with children there and arrested and took them away from their children for organizing a protest.
sydney watson
Oh yeah, yeah.
That was one.
There was a pregnant girl.
That's the one I believe you're talking about.
There's a number of them.
Yeah, yeah.
It's funny because one of my very good friends back home, his name is Avi, and he's a journalist for Rebel News.
He's been arrested several times now, even though he has press credentials from the government to be, you know, at these protests and things.
And he has been arrested.
He's been chucked in the back of the divvy van or the police van thingy.
And they really target the journalists now.
They arrested one, I think it was two or three days ago, they arrested another young journalist and her photographer from the Herald Sun, which is another Melbourne newspaper.
And the thing that really distresses me watching this, like again from a country where I can basically do a lot of things that I can't do back home, is they just snap their fingers and go okay we're having another lockdown now five-day lockdown everyone like stay in your home can't go outside can't do this can't do that and Australians just go okay yes daddy government yes yes yes I'll do the thing mm-hmm okay yep and I it makes me want to throw up because I think where is your sense of freedom where's your sense of self-preservation it's not I mean they think that the government will answer all of their hopes and dreams and questions when in reality the government is actually just stomping on you
tim pool
The first, the first 15 days, we all basically agreed.
sydney watson
Exactly.
tim pool
And we were all like, yeah, that makes sense.
But then when they extended it, we still agreed.
We were like, all right, let's, let's, let's slow this thing down.
We're all in this together.
Right.
And then after, I think the first year, like where we're at now, everyone's kind of like, dude, come on, man.
Yeah.
You look at, We're looking at global food shortages.
We're looking at massive poverty, and it feels like they're just destroying everything on purpose.
Because they don't care.
They don't care that lives are being ruined.
They don't care.
sydney watson
How many politicians had a decrease in pay during this time?
How many politicians didn't get paid?
tim pool
I think they all got paid.
sydney watson
You know, the Premier of, in Victoria, so where I'm from, the Premier of my home state gave himself a pay raise during the pandemic after he locked down Victorians for the longest period, I'm pretty sure, in the entire world.
And then this, I want to call him the C word, but I'm not going to say it.
But then he goes, he goes and gives him, and I nearly slipped out.
I was like, Sydney, no!
He goes and gives himself a pay raise.
How many of these people, and even in the US, how many of them have taken a pay cut?
How many of them have not gotten paid?
luke rudkowski
Andrew Cuomo got a raise.
tim pool
He's working very hard for these people.
He deserves more money.
sydney watson
Daily press conferences, lying to you, giving you his little smile.
He's a sociopath.
tim pool
They're not lies, they're comforting distortions.
He's trying to just avert panic and make everyone feel good.
sydney watson
Oh, and it does.
You know what?
The thing is, if you value security more than freedom, I don't know what to tell you.
tim pool
And it's not misinformation.
It's comfortable news.
Comfortable.
sydney watson
Comfort.
You guys should go look him up.
You'll have a field day.
Especially Tim.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'm glad I don't live in Australia.
Where is it?
Victoria?
Is it called a state or a province?
unidentified
State.
sydney watson
States and territories.
tim pool
And that's where they basically put everybody in, like, home jail?
Home arrest or whatever?
sydney watson
Yeah, basically, yeah.
I mean, like, again, Aussies, look, I love Australians, but sometimes, you know, they get on me and they're like, you're so mean, why are you so mean about Australia?
And I'm like, I don't know, because you got no freedom?
I don't know.
tim pool
So wait, you're half American though, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's a thing.
You're a daywalker.
It seems like you've inherited the best of both sides, like the ability to fight giant tarantulas and kangaroos while understanding the importance of freedom.
sydney watson
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
That's the craziest thing to me, is that you could have Australia, which is the stereotypical deathtrap country of, like, giant spiders and birds.
I watch this video where there's a super jacked kangaroo banging on some guy's window.
You saw that one?
sydney watson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And he's like, what's... And this Australian guy I knew said, like, they could gut you.
They could, like, their huge claws slash you.
I'm like, how do you grow up in a place where I watched one video where these people are drinking on an outdoor patio and a kangaroo just like stomps through?
But you know what?
Maybe that's actually what it is.
They're scared of everything.
And so when the government comes in, they're like, please help us from the giant mean monsters, you know?
And so they hide.
They hide.
sydney watson
You know, look, I grew up in the country, so we're always around roos and stuff.
They are very aggressive.
People need to understand, don't chase them.
Do not corner them.
You're gonna get your little face ripped off.
They got these little creepy... They're ripped, right?
tim pool
You see them, like, flex?
sydney watson
Oh, yeah, they are.
They're jacked.
luke rudkowski
I think it's bigger than this, Tim.
I think it's the Queen.
She has to be responsible for our... You're right, Luke.
ian crossland
I keep thinking about this.
luke rudkowski
Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia.
Toughest, strictest lockdowns.
All of them.
Colonies of the Queen.
sydney watson
It's all the Commonwealth stuff, isn't it?
Yep.
No, I mean, that's actually, I wonder, because I know that, I don't actually don't, that was not a nonsensical sentence.
You also have to look at New Zealand too, because they have been like, I love it.
unidentified
I love it when people are like, New Zealand's dealing with this so well.
sydney watson
New Zealand's an island in the middle of the Pacific with nothing around it except other ocean.
luke rudkowski
And a very small population.
sydney watson
Tiny population.
tim pool
Isn't it 2,000 miles from Australia?
sydney watson
I don't know in terms of proximity.
It's like a three-hour plane ride to get to New Zealand.
lydia smith
Yeah, that sounds like about 2,000 miles.
luke rudkowski
Well, if you look at the United Kingdom, I mean, even their lockdowns are absolutely absurd and very oddly... They make no sense!
Yeah, it doesn't make many sense on many different levels because if you look at the numbers, you compare it to Sweden.
The numbers are going down the same way They're even going down even more according to some estimates in Sweden where the lockdowns were restricted by and large Not fully but by and large compared to the United Kingdom that fully locked down And of course has their police officer sending out notices that they will no longer be responding to burglaries But they spent taxpayer money on billboard buses telling you that being offensive is a criminal offense Oh, you know, the UK is just, oh god, it's beautiful.
sydney watson
It's again, it's one of these beautiful prisons.
Australia is a beautiful prison.
Aussies, don't yell at me for saying that.
Love you.
It is a bit of a prison.
luke rudkowski
Gulag, I think is a better term.
sydney watson
The UK, yeah, they're beautiful, but they're prisons.
Because like, you know, these are countries that arrest people, not Australia so much.
They do it a little bit, but not that much.
But they arrest people for things they post online.
unidentified
And it's like, It's ridiculous.
tim pool
Oh my God.
2,583.3 miles.
New Zealand to Australia.
I just think that's relevant because people think Australia and New Zealand are very close to each other.
sydney watson
No, it's a... Yeah, it's super far away.
Yeah, definitely sizable gap.
tim pool
And I think New Zealand has like 4 million people.
sydney watson
5 million, I think.
tim pool
5 million?
sydney watson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
When I went to New Zealand, they asked me why I was there and I was going there to interview this guy, Gareth Morgan.
And they all knew who he was.
So when I was at like the immigration checkpoint, They're like, what you here for? I'm like, I'm here with
Vice Magazine. We're gonna interview this guy.
And they're like, who is it? And I was like, his name's Gareth Morgan. Oh, I know him.
And I was like, you do? And they're like, there's not that many people in this country, man.
It's like, everybody knows. If someone here is famous, everybody knows who it is.
sydney watson
I was expecting you to do an accent.
ian crossland
It sounded like you were going there.
sydney watson
I was gearing up.
I was like, oh Tim, oh yes.
tim pool
I almost did.
I almost went for it.
It's a tough one.
I used to do a really good New Zealand accent, but I've got to hear it first.
And it's been too long, so I wouldn't get it.
sydney watson
I'm unable to help you.
tim pool
You have a Daywalker accent.
sydney watson
My accent is just an absolute mess.
And honestly, it depends who I'm around too, because if I'm a, if I'm around a bunch of Yanks, I feel like my accent gets much more American.
unidentified
Yanks.
sydney watson
When I'm around other, yeah, Yanks.
You guys are Yanks, all of you, like no matter where you're from, you're all Yanks.
But when I talk to like, you know, if I call home and I'm talking to like my dad, who is very Australian, he's from Perth, so his accent is just like off the planet.
Um, but if I like call home or something, people are like, Oh, you're still, you're using your own terminology again.
I'm like.
Yeah, my accent sucks.
Don't ask.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Did you live in the U.S.
for a long, forever?
sydney watson
No, no, no.
I'm just, you know, it's funny when people are like, so, um, are you putting this on?
I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to do both accents badly.
ian crossland
Your mom was American?
sydney watson
My mom's American, yeah.
ian crossland
But moved over there.
sydney watson
Yep.
Fell in love.
Fell in love with my dad.
ian crossland
Are you dual citizenship?
Yep.
So, I mean, I got questions about the British monarchy.
Growing up, were you aware that you lived under the rule of a queen?
You said she was the head of state.
sydney watson
Yeah, she's our head of state.
ian crossland
But it's very, like, subversive.
You don't know.
You're kind of led to believe that you live in a free state.
sydney watson
Yeah yeah yeah I so when I became aware of the fact that because obviously like when you're at school you learn about Aussie history you don't learn about British history you learn about Aussie history you learn about Federation or blah blah blah you know like when the first fleet landed in Australia and colonized yada yada we learn about all of that I didn't know probably until I was actually maybe in my late teens that we weren't a republic Because I remember we studied stuff at school and I was like, oh, well, you know, I would probably vote to have us be a republic.
And I had friends who were like, no, I want to be, you know, we need the monarchy still.
And that's a whole, that's actually a whole argument is a lot of conservatives in Australia are like, we need to still be part of, you know, or at least have the monarchy as like our head of state, so to speak, even though it's the queen.
She gives royal assent on all of our legislation that gets passed.
So, I mean, it's more of a ceremonial thing, but it's still active, I guess.
ian crossland
She controls the military, and so is she the one ordering these lockdowns?
sydney watson
No.
ian crossland
But she's not saying no to them.
She's assenting to them?
tim pool
What if there's like a secret conspiracy where the Queen actually is giving instructions to her subjects?
sydney watson
And she's actually controlling New Zealand and Australia.
tim pool
Well, I think it's funny to call it a conspiracy when she's literally the Queen and the head of state for these countries.
ian crossland
The sole God-given leader of the commonwealth.
tim pool
By divine providence!
She's Queen of the Britons!
luke rudkowski
You want to talk about corrupt institutions that have ties to children that do bad- I can't even say it.
The royal family, my goodness gracious.
There's so many deep down rabbit holes that you could go down there.
Not just them.
tim pool
I heard rabbit hole.
luke rudkowski
They're bad, yeah.
tim pool
Speaking of rabbit holes.
What an excellent segue, Luke.
That was perfect timing.
My friends, we have to talk about this.
I'm ashamed of each and every one of you.
Luke, Ian, Sydney, Lydia.
Critical thinking?
What were you thinking?
The New York Times says, critical thinking as we're taught to do it isn't helping in the fight against misinformation.
Wait, wait, check out this first line.
For an academic, Michael Caulfield has an odd request.
Stop overthinking what you see online.
Sit down, shut up, believe what you're told, and move on, good sir.
The New York Times, this is what they say, Mr. Caulfield, the digital literacy expert at Washington State, knows all too well, in Vancouver, mind you, knows all too well at this very moment, more people are fighting for the opportunity to lie to you than perhaps any other point in human history.
Misinformation, blah, blah, blah, yeah, we get it.
Quote, we're taught that in order to protect ourselves from bad information, we need to deeply engage with the stuff that washes up in front of us.
Mr. Caulfield told me recently, he suggested that the dominant mode of media literacy, if kids get taught any at all, and that's a good point, is that, quote, you'll get imperfect information and then use reasoning to fix that somehow, but in reality, that strategy can completely backfire.
In other words, resist the lure of rabbit holes, in part, by reimagining media literacy for the internet hellscape we occupy.
Let me tell you what's really being said here, because I can translate for all of you.
They don't want you investigating the news.
They don't want you listening to conversations like this.
You want to know how easy it is?
I'll tell you guys all this.
How do you know who's actually lying and who's telling the truth?
The person who's telling you the truth tells you to listen to the ideas of other people and come to your own conclusion to be a free, sovereign individual.
Why?
I don't want power over you.
I don't want to own your life or rule your life or make you do anything for me.
I want you to find what's best for you.
That empowers other people.
The people who would tell you, don't think critically.
Don't investigate these things.
Don't watch these other channels.
They do want things from you.
They want to manipulate.
They want to control you.
They want you for a purpose.
I don't care what you do.
I don't care if you want to go home and dress up like a banana and juggle bananas.
I don't care if you want to dress up like a clown and go to a clown party.
That's your thing.
You do your thing.
Anybody telling you not to do what you want to do to be free as long as you're not hurting others, and who would lie to you and tell you not to listen to others, or would censor opinions, or my stars and garters, New York Times saying, don't think critically?
These people are manipulating me.
ian crossland
Well, the way they phrase that, critical thinking as we're taught.
So maybe what they're implying is we're not being taught proper critical thinking skills.
And I can kind of identify what maybe he's saying is that there's a propensity when you're reading something to just disbelieve it.
Like you don't want to believe everything you see, obviously.
It's a fair point to say, don't go down the rabbit hole.
tim pool
Because then people become flat earthers and other weird stuff.
But then saying critical thinking as we're taught.
No, no, no, look.
I mean, I get the point, for sure.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
What they're really saying is, actually think critically.
They're not saying that.
The opening line was, don't overthink things.
So, what?
I open the newspaper and it says, X just happened.
An American destroyer was attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Don't overthink it.
It just happened.
Accept it as reality.
And then, you know, the Vietnam War starts and we find out later it didn't really happen.
Maybe we should have overthought that.
sydney watson
I feel like when you're at university, there's like a big thing where you are taught not well to think critically.
I don't know if that was, you know, anyone else's experience, but that was definitely mine.
And I feel like maybe that... I don't think that's what the New York Times is saying, just by the way.
Like, I definitely think this is them being like, don't look too deeply into things because then you might start questioning narratives that you're not supposed to question.
But certainly... Sorry.
ian crossland
How were you taught critically?
sydney watson
Like, what was your... I just don't feel like we were.
I feel like it was one of those things where like, When I was at school and I so my first degree was I studied criminology and then my second my master was in journalism because you know here I am sort of doing that but I feel like there wasn't a huge emphasis on actually digging deeper into things it was sort of like accept this on the surface and maybe look a little bit into it here are the sources the approved sources that were okay with you looking at
Don't go beyond these.
Or if you do, look at these, these and these and these because these are, you know, supplementary readings.
But it wasn't like, go and do your own research and then write me something new and impressive.
That wasn't the emphasis.
And I feel like that's what critical thinking is.
Taking a prompt or an idea or whatever, reading something about it, going, OK, and then looking deeper and then going down this hole and going over here and basically building an idea of something from multiple angles and sources and coming to your own conclusions.
We're not taught to do that.
I wasn't taught to do that at school, at university.
And I feel like a lot of young people coming out of that system probably don't have the skills that they should when it comes to thinking more in depth about things.
I'm not saying that everyone has to be conservative or has to solely go to conservative sources and that's all they can read and that's the only place that's going to give them true and accurate information.
No.
Look at everything across the board and then derive your conclusion.
ian crossland
Yeah, times have changed in the last 20 years, especially with the internet, because now looking at everything is impossible.
There's so much information relative to 1996 when I was in school.
tim pool
You can more easily find the sources.
So if someone makes a claim and you can't verify the source, you can question it and hold it in doubt.
We used to trust it more.
When the New York Times would come out and say an anonymous source told us this, people would be like, I guess it's true, because what else are we going to do about it?
Now we can actually be like, hold on, let me look into that.
But here's the dangerous thing about what the New York Times is doing.
They hold themselves to a special standard.
That's basically it.
In the article, they say, you know, here's some four principles of what you should do when you encounter, you know, potential disinformation or whatever.
They say, 1.
Stop.
2.
Investigate the source.
unidentified
3.
tim pool
Find better coverage.
4.
Trace claims, quotes, and media to the original context, otherwise known as SIFT.
Here's a quote.
Is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
the best unbiased source on information about a vaccine?
I'd argue no.
And that's good enough to know we should probably just move on, he said.
And I'd like to edit in a little sentence.
While completely ignoring Bill Gates is not a scientist nor a doctor, you see the point.
When Bill Gates comes out, they say, oh, it's great, Bill Gates has a plan, and here's what he's saying, here's his advice.
And the New York Times says, well, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
was an anti-vaxxer, so don't trust him.
It's that they apply this standard of, we must not overthink things and must analyze only when it's the narrative they want.
So a good example is how like Wikipedia works, for example.
I can come out and say something like, I am in favor of a universal healthcare system that also has private health insurance, much like most of the developed world.
I am not in favor of abolishing private insurance, and I was a big fan of Bernie Sanders in 2016.
And they'll say, Tim Poole is not a good source on what he actually believes, even when he says it.
But then I can come out and say something like, I am pro 2A.
And they'll write, Tim Pool says he is full pro 2A.
If it is a right-wing position, they'll say, well, he said it, so it's true.
If it's a left-wing position, they'll say, nope, nope, he's not a good source of this information, so Tim Pool can't be left-wing.
They use whatever narrative they want.
They use the rules only when it best suits them.
Don't think critically, they say.
Unless, of course, it's negative, you know, it's something negative against our opponents.
In which case, you must think critically and sift and go through the sources.
That's the name of the game, I suppose.
sydney watson
This is why the media sucks, though.
This is why the media is... I just... I'm gonna start, but I mean, this is why the mainstream is... Oh, please, start.
No, this is just why the mainstream media really gets under my skin, because you're right, like, and I think a lot of conservatives, obviously, like, being that that's the space that I occupy a lot of the time, is that conservative libertarian-esque ground, but A lot of people on the right, too, I don't think are willing to admit that the right wing is just as bad when it comes to spinning things or cherry-picking information and creating particular narratives around things where they're not quite telling the truth.
For example, I mean, like, even that Koch thing, and I'm not defending what Koch did at all, I think it, that's gross, but, I mean, they put out a statement that basically said, hey, you know, this is not actually the sole focus of our curriculum, it was just part, I know, and you're making a face at me, but I'm just saying, like, there's that caveat to the story that I think they're buttholes for what they did and I think it's disgusting and I, you know, like I said, I put that in the video I made.
I'm trying not to swear, Tim.
It's so hard for me to try to find the words.
Save it for the after show.
luke rudkowski
Aussies.
sydney watson
But it's, you know, so my point here is that you're allowed to be like Coke or a bunch of buttholes and I think that they suck, you know, what they did was shitty and, sorry.
I was trying to avoid it!
tim pool
I was trying to... You can't help it!
I was just trying to get out!
You did it!
sydney watson
What they did was yucky and we don't like it and, you know, whatever.
But then you caveat and you go, but this is also what they said.
Because then it's a more, you know, you're not being dishonest.
There's no twist there.
tim pool
Who's being dishonest about it?
sydney watson
I'm not saying anyone was being dishonest, but I'm saying that in this context... I'll tell you, I'll tell you... More information is better, in my opinion.
tim pool
I took issue with the wind turbines story in Texas because all the conservatives, not all of them, but all of these conservatives are coming out and saying the wind turbines froze and it shut down the grid and it caused all the damage.
And in reality also gas lines were freezing and there was a bunch of other issues.
But it does seem, because we did have one fellow who was an energy expert, who basically said if it wasn't for the wind turbines going down, the demand for gas wouldn't have skyrocketed, causing this domino effect essentially.
But to come out and say that it was the sole reason for the crisis was not completely true.
So you have AOC coming out and saying, no, it's the problem of the gas lines.
We need a Green New Deal.
And many on the right saying, it's the wind turbines.
And I'm like, the reality is they didn't winterize the wind turbines.
There are wind turbines in Antarctica and they work because it doesn't snow.
So in Texas, they needed to better winterize them and prepare for this.
And it seems like they weren't prepared for a winter storm, even though it happened in 2011.
So it's not entirely, yes, it's fair to say that when the wind turbines froze up, it caused a cascade effect.
Texas could have prepared.
Now, I hear them saying that Joe Biden denied some emergency relief, so it's always much more complicated than anything.
But I will tell you this, for the most part, conservatives know what the left is thinking, and when they write about it, they don't need to snub details.
They might give you their biased version of it, sure, but the left outright just manipulates.
sydney watson
Oh, I'm not saying that conservatives, like, lie in the same way that the left does, definitely not, but they definitely, they still spin things.
I still see things and I go, I know for a fact that what is written in this article is part of the story and there's a whole other element to this that if they just added a single sentence acknowledging that other part of it, it would be a more holistic better, well-rounded story that people could read and go, OK, I now at least know basically more or less the full details of it.
I'm not saying that... I mean, the left just make crap up.
That's the thing that... I'm head-butting microphones here.
That's the thing that annoys me so much is they just make things up.
But I don't know.
I hate the media in general, like across the board, just because of the dishonesty and the twisting of information.
tim pool
I got a correction and I'm actually really happy about this.
So, Pointer... I did a segment on this on my TimCast News channel.
So I tweeted something very snarky.
I said, Time Magazine just came out and said that a cabal rigged the election.
I'm sorry.
They said they didn't rig the election.
They fortified it by changing the rules and the laws and manipulating the flow of information.
It was just snarky, but I made no declaration in this.
Time Magazine said this.
And then I said, I'm sorry, they didn't say it was rigged, because I was trying to be silly.
So Pointer writes an article, and they said, a controversial YouTuber, Tim Pool, published a post which claimed, or which said, the election was rigged.
You see how they use weasel words to get through that?
But the tweet did not say that.
In fact, the tweet said, it isn't rigged.
It's fortified.
So they used that as a manipulation.
Here's the best part.
So this one outlet, I'm not going to name because they did me the solid.
They apologized, corrected immediately and fixed the context in full, which did something amazing.
In the full context from this pointer article, it says Tim Pool's post was wrong.
It claimed the election was rigged.
I never said that.
I never said the election was rigged.
I never said Trump really won.
I've long said it's over.
Biden won.
And I got so many Trump supporters who were mad at me for it for a long time.
Smack talking me saying he's not, he's, you know, he's, he's going against Trump, whatever.
So they put this claim out there.
They then got mad because what happened was Birdwatch, Twitter's independent user fact-checking system, determined that my tweet was in fact correct.
Not misleading, it said.
And all the responses were people said, Tim Pool is just referencing a Time Magazine article.
He's citing a Time Magazine article.
So another outlet sees the pointer article and rewrites it, because this is what news outlets do.
It's called churnalism.
Churn.
Like, they just see a story and they re-read it.
In this, the context evolved once more.
Pointer wrote, in a post from Controversial YouTuber, that stated the election was rigged.
They didn't say, I said it.
They said, the post stated it.
So it's clever weasel words.
Well, this next outlet said, Tim Pool, who wrote, the election was rigged.
I reached out to the writer and the manager for the company and I said, you know, I humbly request a retraction.
This is not correct.
I said that it wasn't rigged, that it was fortified.
I was just referencing a Time Magazine article.
So in this new article, this is really amazing.
They included my tweet, and they removed the part where it said, who wrote, Tim Pool, who wrote, the election was rigged, and said, in a tweet from Tim Pool, who cited a Time Magazine article claiming that a cabal of wealthy elites were fortifying the election by changing rules and controlling the flow of information, Twitter flagged it as misleading, and with that simple correction, a legitimate correction, so my thanks to the writer on that, that was very honorable, and this guy is particularly lefty, Uh, it changed the entire context of the article.
Before, the article was saying, Tim Poole lied, and Twitter said it was real news.
By fixing the context of my tweet, it says, Tim Poole was correct, the users correctly identified this, and Pointer is angry about it.
So the article has now become, the premier fact-checking organization for Facebook, Pointer, is outraged That I made a factual tweet that was just a snarky statement that users flagged it as not misleading and made them mad because they lost control of the narrative to a bunch of random Twitter users.
So with that correction, I'm actually really, really happy.
And I'm not entirely hopeful that will always be the case, but that's good news.
ian crossland
Sounds like the dude from the second article, who's the company, the second?
tim pool
I didn't name them.
ian crossland
Actually went and read the Time Magazine article after you requested the retraction and then was like, whoa, this is just, it just seems like it.
I don't know if that's actually what happened.
tim pool
The crazy thing about how the media works.
sydney watson
Whoa!
ian crossland
Whoa!
You gotta read that Time article, by the way.
Have you read that article?
sydney watson
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Info psycho.
tim pool
There's a trick that I do on Twitter where I make statements that are vague.
And I gotta admit, I learned this from Michael Malice.
Totally legit.
I love his tweets when he would respond to Trump saying, we don't deserve him.
And you're like, you don't know if it's saying it's good or bad.
I love it.
It's brilliant.
And so I started making tweets.
Where I would just try to avoid a hard, direct, partisan opinion.
The opinion would be a neutral, positive, or negative opinion.
And then you can see in the responses from people what they think of you.
So that tweet, for instance, where I said Time Magazine said the election was rigged.
I'm sorry, they didn't say it was rigged.
Was I insulting Time Magazine?
Or was I angry with Time for lying?
Or was I angry with the cabal of wealthy elites?
Truth be told, both, to be honest.
But I know to be precise with my language.
So what's interesting is this guy from Poynter, the Poynter Institute, they decide who gets to be a fact checker for Facebook.
He read my tweet and said, oh, that controversial Tim Pool claiming the election's rigged.
The other guy just wrote what the guy said.
But when he actually read the tweet, he took it at face value.
Tim Pool is referencing Time Magazine.
That's it.
That's fact.
ian crossland
My question is, if someone is to change the rules of an election, is that not rigging the election?
tim pool
Well, I didn't say that.
sydney watson
Tim's not making a statement.
He's just being neutral.
ian crossland
Off the record.
sydney watson
He's just trying to upset everyone.
ian crossland
Even though we're on the record right now.
tim pool
The point is, my issue is, I'm not going to come out and say the election is rigged.
It's not.
ian crossland
It's fortified.
tim pool
Time magazine said...
ian crossland
Alright, right, right. Time magazine.
tim pool
But then I said, they said it wasn't rigged.
Because I was just being snarky.
Time magazine literally said it wasn't rigging the election, it was fortifying it.
The point I made in my video was, how would you define rigging something?
If, let's say, you know, let's say Ian and Luke were going to race.
And then...
ian crossland
I tied Luke's shoelaces together.
sydney watson
See, I was gonna say, we'll just hobble one of you, but you went down a much nicer road.
unidentified
I was like, break a leg?
sydney watson
Okay.
tim pool
I think hobbling is a reference to tying a rope to a donkey's legs.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
sydney watson
No, I thought hobbling is where you get like, I watched a movie where this woman just went and just like smashed this guy's ankles together.
There's a reason why we're all related to convicts.
The rule changes benefited everybody.
unidentified
on the island. There's a reason why we're all related to convicts. The rule changes.
tim pool
Benefited everybody. It was make it easier to vote. But we know that Democrats are more
likely to vote by mail.
Oh, I see.
So while the rule change would have benefited both sides, Democrats are more likely to vote by mail.
ian crossland
So if Luke and I were about to race and I was like, ah, let's race on one of those horizontal elevator things at the airports where the ground is moving forward on it and we run.
Am I rigging the race?
tim pool
It would be more like if you said... Yes, because I'm changing the physics of the race.
If you said this, uh, let's say there's a dude who's allergic to peanuts and you were like, we're going to race, but I think it's fair that we give everyone a big jar of peanut butter for energy.
Well, one guy, you know, peanut, peanut butter is normally good.
Your opponent can't eat it.
So you are saying, no, no, no, we're giving peanut butter to everyone.
It's not changing the rules to favor us.
ian crossland
They did it covertly.
Whatever they did, they did covertly, which is.
tim pool
If we knew ahead of time?
That's the fault of the media.
Like in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, where these rule changes happened, it was publicly known, but you rely on the national media to come out and tell you what was happening.
So the issue was that, the question of rigging, it's not necessarily about whether or not fraud occurred, because I don't think that's an issue here.
The bigger issue is, were the changes constitutional?
And, uh, and that's basically it.
The other big news in that regard is that Supreme Court today said, no, Clarence Thomas.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Clarence Thomas was awesome.
ian crossland
What'd he say?
sydney watson
So, well, so, uh, I'll let Tim take this one.
tim pool
The Pennsylvania Pennsylvania has been so it was cause we, cause I've, I've covered this so much.
Uh, and we had Sean Parnell on the show several times.
Pennsylvania sued arguing that the mail-in voting law was unconstitutional because their constitution in PA state says absentee ballots must be for this reason and then they created universal mail-in voting which basically negated absentee voting.
The lower court said, you are correct and will likely win on the merits.
And then it got, I think it got appealed to the state Supreme Court.
The state Supreme Court said, you're too late.
The merits don't matter.
This bill was passed in fall of 2019.
Therefore it's done.
So they filed an appeal to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court today said, it's a moot point.
Trump's not going to be president.
So we refuse to hear this.
Clarence Thomas got angry, and he basically said, if we wouldn't hear the case before the election, and now we won't hear the case after the election, we have not solved the problem of breaking the rules in the election.
And it is not a moot point.
And he was pissed.
He dissented.
Amazing.
He was the only one.
Yeah.
unidentified
So anyway, Justice Clarence Thomas.
tim pool
Yes, that would be incredible.
I would love to have him.
He's amazing.
But yeah, he's a busy guy.
But yeah, that'd be awesome.
He's a rad dude.
sydney watson
Anyway, the point is... Wasn't he the one that Biden actually like gunned for a couple years ago?
Was that him?
tim pool
Like in the 90s?
sydney watson
Yeah, yeah.
luke rudkowski
During his hearings when he was going to be, when he was appointed, he had to go through the Senate hearings.
And yeah, Biden went after him.
sydney watson
This is the question of rigging, right?
tim pool
Rigging is typically understood to mean that you are setting up a system to favor one participant or one competitor or something like that.
And it doesn't necessarily mean cheating, although it's kind of considered to be a cheater kind of move, you know what I mean?
sydney watson
I thought rigging was where you're setting something up to ensure that one person wins or comes out victorious or whatever, so to the detriment of other people.
ian crossland
I don't even think that.
I think if you rig a system, you're just changing the way the system works.
tim pool
Yeah, that's actually a good point.
ian crossland
Just setting up the rig.
sydney watson
Maybe someone should Google what rigging means so that we can get an actual definition.
tim pool
Well, there's two different ways to look at it.
You can rig something, and that means literally to just make something do a thing you want, and then rigging a competition or a game means to ensure a favorable outcome, typically.
Or to ensure an outcome, period.
sydney watson
Okay, my understanding was the middle of those three.
I always thought that it was just where basically you were ensuring that one person wins or whatever, or whatever the context is.
ian crossland
The official definition of rig, the first one, is make a sailing ship or boat ready for sailing by providing it sails and rigging.
It's just preparing a boat for readiness.
sydney watson
Noted.
ian crossland
That's all.
That's the verb.
tim pool
Manage or conduct something fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
ian crossland
Where'd you get that?
tim pool
Google.
Cause an artificial rise or fall in prices.
So I think it's fair to say that they weren't saying it was rigged, because the Time Magazine article did not imply fraud.
And that's why I was very careful with my words.
They didn't say it was rigged, they said it was fortified.
But I think, to a certain degree, colloquial understanding is, if you've changed the voting laws outside of the state legislature in violation of the Elector's Clause of the Constitution, a lot of people will view that as fraudulent.
Not as voter fraud or election fraud or anything, but as unconstitutional actions that violate the supreme law of the land, our constitutions.
So it's an interesting legal argument.
Some people might argue.
There was one comment on my tweet where they said, could be misleading because some may view this as clearly not rigging, just protecting election integrity, while others may claim that these are outside the Elector's Clause and thus a violation.
And so until it's adjudicated, it could go either way.
No, that's a fair point.
So the question of whether or not this Time magazine is saying the election was rigged is an opinion on the definition of a word.
Semantics.
But I tell you this, the tribalists will take whatever they can get, right?
The Trump supporters are going to say, no, that clearly means it was rigged.
And the Biden people and the anti-Trump people are going to say he won fair and square.
They were just protecting voter integrity.
sydney watson
What I'm taking from this entire conversation besides your point about the correction that was made is that that second article, the way that that person structured what they were saying about what you said and time and everything is how writers should go about writing articles.
You should give all the context.
And that was really important because adding in that your response was to the time article was crucial in people understanding actually what was said and who said it and when and why and how and whatever else.
tim pool
And this is what journalists do.
sydney watson
Or fail to do, rather.
Because they don't do that that often.
tim pool
It's kind of on purpose.
The manipulation.
sydney watson
It's messed.
tim pool
So listen.
The way that Poynter wrote this opening sentence was crafted in a legal way.
So I personally did not say the election was rigged.
What they wrote was, in a post from controversial YouTuber Tim Pool, that stated the election was rigged.
So they said, in a post, and the post said, So now they can make an argument that the Post has the words, the election was rigged, and therefore it must be true, you know, our statement is a fact.
I still think there's grounds for a false statement of fact, because the Post actually says they didn't rig it.
The full Post literally says they didn't rig it.
But you can see how they're trying to skirt around the truth in such a way.
The full context, if someone was actually reading it, they would say, Tim Pool made a reference to a Time Magazine article about a cabal of wealthy elites.
What was his intentions?
We don't know, we can't read his mind.
Poynter Institute cut all the context out.
They cut out the context of the Time Magazine article itself.
They said the actual article was just talking about protecting voter integrity, but that was left out of the tweet.
I'm like, no, it wasn't.
I quite literally said they were fortifying the election by changing the rules.
That's a quote from the article.
You can read the full article.
I couldn't fit it into a tweet.
Journalists do this on purpose.
They misshape sentences.
They manipulate sentences.
They frame things in such a way to make you believe something that may or may not be true.
ian crossland
I just had this, it's so crazy that we live in a world where you can send out a tweet, where you can just type a paragraph that gets so much traction and human focus, and can alter the dialogue of the world, of the earth, in like, for months.
tim pool
I got an idea.
I'm gonna buy a boat, and I'm gonna name it The Election.
ian crossland
And then Ian- We'll rig it together.
tim pool
We'll rig it together.
luke rudkowski
Heck yeah!
tim pool
And then you can tweet, Ian can tweet, I can personally state, as a statement of fact, that I rigged the election.
luke rudkowski
And then I'm gonna steal it.
lydia smith
Yes, do it!
tim pool
No, no, but think about how funny it would be if you came out on Twitter and you were like, I can confirm, I rigged the election.
ian crossland
I rigged the election, and Tim Pool was involved.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then people are gonna be like, whoa, he's saying it, and then you'll see a picture of a boat that says the election on it.
ian crossland
Luke stole the election.
tim pool
See, that's awesome.
ian crossland
You gotta call it the election.
tim pool
Call the boat the election.
Yeah, the election.
The 2020 election.
unidentified
That's the name of the boat.
tim pool
And then when they write that you posted fake news or whatever, or you can say that I know for a fact that the election got rigged and they'll be like, aha, see, he's lying.
You then post a picture of the boat and be like, it is a true statement.
ian crossland
At the very least, we got to Photoshop it.
tim pool
Take it to court.
No, but a judge is going to be like, get out of here.
You know what you did.
Yeah, my brother once took a picture of himself holding a big bundle of sticks and he says, hey, look at this huge... Oh my gosh.
Because he was making a point about the use of words and everything.
I don't know if he ever actually... I think he posted it on Twitter, I'm not entirely sure.
sydney watson
Are you allowed to say that word in that context though?
tim pool
Nope.
sydney watson
Or is it always offensive?
tim pool
No, because the computers don't know.
sydney watson
This is true.
tim pool
So I'll tell you, Keemstar had this happen to him.
Oh yeah.
Where he said, there's a type of job, I guess you call it, the letter E, dash.
Mm-hmm.
Girl.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
I spaced it out perfectly.
I spaced it out on purpose because they, the YouTube algorithm, thought that word, when he said it, was actually the n-word.
And so in his subtitles, it shows a version of the n-word and he got demonetized because of it.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
And he was like, I didn't say that word!
unidentified
He said e dash Girl.
sydney watson
How did they?
tim pool
But how?
luke rudkowski
It's YouTube AI.
tim pool
Artificial Intelligence.
unidentified
No, I know that, but how?
luke rudkowski
That makes it up and then transcribes it.
tim pool
That word starts with a vowel, so you would say an.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luke rudkowski
And it depends how you pronounce it.
I mean, YouTube's AI just took down a chess player for having white players and black players and mentioning it too many times.
tim pool
But they did that to him before, I'm pretty sure.
It's not the first time it's happened.
sydney watson
Wasn't it because also he was using terms to like threat and white and black?
tim pool
But that's normal.
That's normal.
It's chess.
It's chess.
sydney watson
Christ, a while back on an Australian network, a radio network, someone suggested that is it racist because white pieces move first in chess?
ian crossland
Definitely.
tim pool
They've long said yes.
ian crossland
Is that like an ancient Moorish European conflict?
sydney watson
Surely there's a reason why?
tim pool
I don't think there's any real thought behind the colors, especially because the game was being played among Europeans.
It was literally just the different color pieces.
Opposite colors, yeah.
sydney watson
Well, I guess you could have, like, red and... What's the opposite of red?
tim pool
Red and blue.
ian crossland
Red and green, I think.
sydney watson
This is what I'm saying before.
I was saying this just before, you know, how I'm the dumbest, smartest dumb person I know.
I'm not clever.
tim pool
You could just say, you know, the black pieces go first, if you want to.
sydney watson
But they decided to make it racist.
ian crossland
The queen's on her own color.
Is that like a gender thing?
luke rudkowski
What about nobility?
ian crossland
The queen is powerful.
tim pool
It's classist.
ian crossland
Chess is classist.
tim pool
Sacrifice the pawn.
ian crossland
The woman is the power behind the man.
sydney watson
I think that's what that... So you're saying it's matriarchal then.
Chess is then matriarchal.
ian crossland
Society is matriarchal.
tim pool
I got it.
Let's make all of the pieces pawns.
sydney watson
Oh yeah.
lydia smith
Perfect.
tim pool
Boom.
lydia smith
Checkers.
sydney watson
There you go.
Communism.
tim pool
Although it would still be different from checkers.
Communism.
unidentified
There you go.
sydney watson
Those socialists finally get what they want.
Everything is equal.
The commies get what they want.
Everything is equal.
And no one has any gender.
And everything is just the same.
tim pool
That's, you know, it's really funny.
You ever watch The Fairly OddParents?
sydney watson
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, I love that show.
tim pool
You've seen the episode where I think he wished everybody was the same so that nobody would be bullied.
And then everyone was a gray blob, but they still found a way to bully people.
Like, even though they were all now gray blobs.
And it was like a really amazing point for like a kid's show to tell people that no matter what you do, people will still find a way to be nasty and mean to you.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
And now here we are in this world where apparently nobody got the message.
And they're like, everybody should be genderless and shaved heads.
Oh, you know, it's like that South Park episode where the future people come and they're all bald, olive-colored skin people who speak a mix of every language.
The only thing that South Park got wrong was that, oh, no, no, they got this right too.
The genders were identical.
Yeah, the people will all look the exact same.
That's really interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, but it won't stop oppression because some people sleep on the top bunk and some people sleep on the bottom bunk in gravity.
Like, if you spill your cup and the guy's down below you, so your highness is gonna be all, you know, have the advantage.
lydia smith
Your highness.
sydney watson
No, but that's why you just sleep in the pod.
Yeah, I need the bugs.
tim pool
All right, all right.
Let's jump to Super Chats, everybody.
If you have not already, send us your Super Chats.
I'll try to read as many as I can.
But also smash that Like button, subscribe to the notification bell, and check out TimCast.com for exclusive members-only content.
And, you know, when we have issues with full episodes, we will upload them exclusively to the website.
Because, look, a lot of people don't like hearing it, but YouTube has already given us a warning on one of our episodes.
And if we get another strike for any reason, that means the show's off for a whole week, and then we'll... If that happened, we'd still do the show.
We'd just stream it somewhere else.
But that's still really bad, and we want to avoid that.
That also means, if there are things we want to talk about, it's going to be at TimCast.com, because we're just trying to make sure we're navigating everything properly.
I don't want to sacrifice the entire channel and my ability to produce content, because it would shut down my other channels as well, because one person said something, and we can move it over, or something like that.
So, keep that in mind.
We're doing our best.
But smash the like button.
Let's read some of these super chats.
Padre Mortalis says, Tim used gorilla glue on his beanie confirmed.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
That is not confirmed.
luke rudkowski
You said it though.
tim pool
Deplorable Pirate Captain Gunbeard says, a question for progressives.
If only white people can be oppressive, is it immoral for a person of color to own white slaves?
unidentified
Oh.
Root word.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
about so the isn't there like a core I don't know exactly know this the
correlation but Slav and slave yeah robot as well mm-hmm who do you know
anything about the history of like who enslaved the Slavs was it that was it
luke rudkowski
the Turks like the Ottoman Empire I don't know but I'm taking the privilege
of knowing so But again, Europe is just a whole bloody territory of conquerors and conquest.
You look at what Julius Caesar did to the Celtics.
My goodness.
I mean, history is pretty much people stabbing each other and killing each other when you look at it at the context of Europe.
In Roman times slaves were pretty much money.
They were valued and during big conquests they would make sure to keep people alive to sell them later because that was pretty much a currency.
So slaves and Slavic people were their own kind of currency.
The Celts were often traded by the Romans when they were conquered by Julius Caesar and a lot of them, I mean the Celts had People in Portugal and Poland and in some places as far as Turkey.
So We have a long history of murder of conquest and slavery all in that region.
tim pool
Geez Yeah, we have a whole bunch of super chats where people are just screaming Sydney Stephen a says Sydney.
I love your channel It's cool to see you on Tim's show you rock Jake says yay Sydney.
She's my favorite strange Aussie Jessica Jessica says so glad to see Sydney on the show her comedy skits always make me laugh.
sydney watson
Yes I love it when people think I'm funny.
That's the best thing, honestly, because sometimes I watch my content back and I'm like... What's your skit-to-politics ratio?
Um, I would say 30% stupid and 70% politics.
But I'm introducing characters.
I have the most disgusting wigs.
It's just dreadful.
ian crossland
Oh, I want to get wigs.
sydney watson
How am I an adult?
It's bad.
You actually, yeah, I mean, like, hey, well, that's, that's your thing.
There you go.
Buy some wigs.
Yeah.
Rainbow ones.
tim pool
Daniel Welch says, Ian, the fake heme is made from genetically modified bacteria and has been rushed through testing for safety.
Big industry money influence.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, that sounds cool.
Christoph says fourth time the charm fingers crossed with how much you talk about veganism
You should have James Wilkes on worked on the game changers MMA fighter and trains US military. Yeah, that sounds cool
I like talking food health veganism and all that stuff Jordan Fowler says will you upload Friday's show?
Please and thank you.
It is on all podcast platforms, and we're gonna put it on TimCast.com, and we will put it up for free for everybody.
I think we have the ability to do that now, and so we will try our best.
We'll do that later tonight.
We'll try.
I quit Magic.
I'm done.
says, Hey Tim, just your average everyday FedEx driver.
Question about Magic, do you guys play commander and if so, who do you guys play as
commander? I quit Magic, I'm done. Yeah, I played Urza and beat the hell out of Tim so
he stopped. Actually, I played Urza first. You did.
And I had, like, Stasis and Winter's Orb.
And everybody was like, dude, nobody wants to play you anymore.
And I was like, okay, I'm not gonna play anymore.
And then I switched to some lower-powered commanders, and then Ian was like, now I'm going to destroy you all!
And I was like, dude, this is not fun.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm not gonna lose.
No, Magic's not fun anymore, because it's just Rich Man Wins.
We've talked about that.
Have you played Magic?
sydney watson
I have no idea what you're talking about.
ian crossland
Magic the Gathering?
It's a card game?
sydney watson
Oh no, like a literal in-person?
What's the objective?
ian crossland
Is it to beat Tim?
Each player has 20 life.
And you play creatures and spells to attack your opponent.
sydney watson
Like Yu-Gi-Oh?
ian crossland
Yu-Gi-Oh was a predecessor.
It came after Magic.
tim pool
Chess and poker combined.
sydney watson
I knew a thing.
ian crossland
It's awesome.
tim pool
Chess and poker combined.
ian crossland
And it's kind of like, not witchcraft, but has like ancient traditions of magics, like black magic and white magic.
tim pool
But that's racist now.
ian crossland
Red, blue, and green magic.
tim pool
Aren't they changing it?
ian crossland
Nature magic.
I hope not.
Just leave it five star, you know, magic.
One color affects two other.
It's really cool.
sydney watson
Okay, noted.
I might not be smart enough for that, though, to be completely honest.
tim pool
Landon says, I literally ran to my phone from across the warehouse I work in when I heard Sydney was on.
Based, bad dad jokes, and beautiful to boot, she's the best.
sydney watson
Oh, there you go.
Oh my god!
tim pool
Parallel Knight says, Sydney, how did you become a citizen of the U.S.
from Australia?
It's my dream to move to U.S.
from U.K.
and collect historical firearms.
Any info would be very helpful.
Thanks, everyone.
Free the code.
Go Ian.
sydney watson
So, well, I cheated the system because my mom is a US citizen, so me getting citizenship was just by virtue of being born and being a human being that was born to a Yank.
So I think that there's a... Honestly, I've had a couple friends who've wanted to become citizens and I think it's a very complicated process as far as my understanding goes.
And I think that there's a bunch of different visas you can start off with, but I think you either have to get sponsored or you have to... Guys, correct me if you know any information about this because I frankly am not an expert.
Because I mean, like you guys, I was just born as a citizen.
But I think it's just the visas are really difficult to get.
That's my understanding in the very least.
tim pool
You need to apply online to go to Australia if you're an American.
sydney watson
Yeah, you do.
It's because it's like you guys made it hard for us and for the Brits as well.
And so we made it really hard back.
ian crossland
Because of COVID?
sydney watson
No, just generally.
If anybody ever wants to move to Australia, you can get a two-year visa like that.
Well, if you're under 30, you can.
I don't know what it's like when you're over 30, but moving between Commonwealth countries is easier.
unidentified
There's a ton of super chats where they're like, Sydney, yay!
sydney watson
That's so cute.
unidentified
I love that.
tim pool
Felix Antoine Morin says, Hi from Quebec.
Your show helped me stay awake and not become woke.
I'm an elementary school and I fight wokeness on the ground by showing children stoicism and JBP wisdom.
You're an entire elementary school.
That's impressive.
I'm kidding.
But yeah, Jordan Peterson's awesome.
Stoicism is great too.
3D Pyromaniac says, Amen, Tim.
I don't remember exactly what that was from, but I appreciate it.
Rilo says, Watson's mixed accent reminds me of how I got my accent Southern.
Our ancestors never fully kicked the accents of the old countries.
Very cool.
sydney watson
Oh, well, at least someone appreciates it.
Thank you.
tim pool
It's gonna be really interesting when you get a mix of like, standard non regional American, Southern Texan and Australian all mixed together.
sydney watson
Oh my god, it's going to be even now like sometimes I accident and I'm not trying to be a like a doodlehead about it.
And like I'm trying to see how hard I'm trying not to swear.
unidentified
Yeah, man, you really got me in a vise.
tim pool
You're like, Oh, I don't swear.
I never swear.
sydney watson
And then It comes out sometimes because I hang out with Elijah so much and when, you know, we get going it's just... And I swear a lot.
Like, a lot.
I don't swear on my channel at all, but I swear a lot in everyday life and I feel like it's just an Aussie thing.
tim pool
Just every other word.
sydney watson
I'm just shattering the illusion now.
People are like, oh my god.
tim pool
My understanding is that the C word in Australia is more like saying buddy.
sydney watson
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it depends which kind of Aussies you ask, but most Aussies would just be like, yeah, what's up?
See you next Tuesday.
No, what was I talking about?
I've completely lost my train of thought.
unidentified
Your accent?
sydney watson
Accent, yes.
So when it ends up being, I accidentally say y'all, and I go, Sydney, no, no, darling, you're not from this place.
Do not stop that.
unidentified
I say y'all all the time, but that's because my dad- You're an American though, it's okay.
tim pool
Well, my dad's from Waco, and so I grew up with him saying it all the time, and I just, I like it.
sydney watson
It sounds cute, it's cute.
I like when people say y'all.
tim pool
It's a good word.
sydney watson
Yeah.
tim pool
It's easy, yeah.
sydney watson
Aussies say yous, not a fan of that.
tim pool
Yous.
sydney watson
Not into that.
tim pool
Yous guys?
That's a Brooklyn thing, isn't it?
Yous?
sydney watson
Yous.
tim pool
Yous guys?
sydney watson
Yinz apparently is a thing, actually.
You know what?
I'm gonna call you out, Ian.
You said crayon before.
It's crayon.
ian crossland
Crayon.
unidentified
Crayon.
sydney watson
You're right.
tim pool
Crayon.
K-R-A-N.
ian crossland
Keep me honest.
tim pool
Some wax crayons.
sydney watson
I didn't know this was a thing until recently.
Crayon.
You disgusting creature.
ian crossland
I'm a Northeast Ohioan.
unidentified
Wax.
tim pool
All right, hey, Poofy says, Tim's description of Sweden's Swedish racist sounded exactly like the description for Democrats, lol.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sounds about right.
Julian Powell says, Luke, don't ever mention Bill Cosby again.
You have hardly researched the details of those cases.
And Hannibal Buress, he was propped up by Hollywood.
Oh, smack down!
unidentified
Oh, snap!
tim pool
You got challenged!
luke rudkowski
You're entitled to your opinion.
Send me some evidence to the contrary.
I'd love to hear it.
Twitter.com forward slash LukeWeAreChanged.
Send me what you got.
That could change my mind.
sydney watson
Send me what you got.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
I will say, it's like pulling teeth to get leftists to come on.
I recommend a topic and guests normally not allowed I know you shoe on head and Sydney for a center left and
right discussion on men's rights and feminism's impact on culture and society
Shoe is always welcome to come on the show. I will say It's like pulling teeth to get leftists to come on there
They there's just a million and one excuses for every single time. They've ever been invited as to why they can't
sydney watson
do it I'll say this much if shoe I don't know if you and shoe
know each other if you know friends I used to love her content.
She's part of the reason why... Used to?
tim pool
Yeah, used to.
sydney watson
What does that mean?
tim pool
Those are fighting words.
sydney watson
No, I think... I have her muted on Twitter, but I... Whoa!
tim pool
Even more fighting words!
sydney watson
No, I really... I think she's so funny, and I think her sense of humor is brilliant, but... No, I would... You know what?
I'd for sure do it.
June, we've never spoken, but I once sent you an email.
tim pool
I don't think she'll do it.
sydney watson
No, well I'm just saying, you know, everyone go harass her.
tim pool
The, the, the, no, no, no, no.
sydney watson
No, not harass, harass, isn't like, go say love the two.
tim pool
No, but I don't, I don't, listen.
ian crossland
Go encourage her.
sydney watson
Encourage, encourage, there we go.
tim pool
The problem with the, the left is they're too vicious.
Like, don't get me wrong, you've got vicious people.
sydney watson
I didn't mean June would be vicious.
tim pool
No, not her.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that she would get eviscerated by.
sydney watson
Oh, yeah, that's, that's fair.
tim pool
I mean like, you know, like.
ian crossland
They're a good show though.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
She tweeted something about, uh, it was really funny.
It was, like, remembering, like, November 22nd or something, and it said, like, Bernie Sanders was winning the primary, and the next image is, like, a crying Pepe or whatever.
And then I responded with, that Time Magazine article said they started this effort in the fall of 2019.
These are high-profile Democrats and media conglomerates fortifying the election before the primary, and then we know what happened with Iowa, where Bernie, like, the results, like, never came in, I guess.
There was this weird app or something.
The left has routinely complained that Bernie Sanders gets cheated all the time.
I tweeted agreeing, like, look at this article that said this, and then her followers attack, attack, attack.
I tweeted to Hassan, uh, Piker.
Congrats when he broke half a million subs and they just go nuts, crapping all over me, insulting.
sydney watson
That's really awful.
I didn't realize that that was... I thought her audience was mostly people like you and me, like the usses in this room.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I think she's got anti-woke leftists for the most part now.
You said you had her muted on Twitter, I assumed you...
sydney watson
You just posted like there was one thing I can't remember what it was but it really because I don't like blocking people and I don't I just think it's psycho like unless you're actually abusing me I'm not gonna block you I just but um I muted her because she just started saying things that I was like I don't It was just stuff that I was like, this is like way out in left field.
No.
Whereas I'm like, I follow a lot of liberals.
I do because I like getting an alternative viewpoint.
I think it rounds out my perspectives a lot.
But when people just go, there was something that she did, I can't remember what it was, but it went over the edge for me.
And I was like, I'm out.
tim pool
There are a lot of people that used to be, like, anti-SJW who have just basically stopped paying attention and then just given in to whatever the narrative is.
unidentified
Yep.
I wonder if, uh... It wasn't malicious, by the way.
sydney watson
Me muting her was not... it wasn't malicious.
Like, I don't have beef with her.
We've never spoken.
tim pool
I just was like... You gotta protect your mental health instead of personal things.
Yeah, it's not personal at all.
Do you know what happened with Lauren Southern and Shu?
sydney watson
No.
tim pool
Like, they had done videos... Oh, yeah.
sydney watson
Weren't they friends?
tim pool
They'd done videos together.
sydney watson
Yeah.
tim pool
And then, like, I guess Shu put out a statement saying she couldn't be friends with Lauren Southern anymore or something.
And then, like, retracted it or something like that.
I don't know a whole lot about it, but I wonder if... You know, I wonder if there are a lot of people there, like, there are people that I've literally hung out with and have been friends with who started disparaging me incorrectly.
Like, being critical on things that weren't true.
ian crossland
Are you talking about me?
tim pool
I'm talking about other other like Anti-sjw youtuber types who have been like, oh, well, you
know I'm gonna say this about Tim and it's like bro
You just made like that's not true like like I think that there's I think what happened was
there are a lot of people whose careers are built on YouTube and
When they were going after the anti-sjw What I'm sorry when they were anti-sjw challenging critical
theory and all that stuff and they still kind of do but when they were very
Heavily into it hardcore and aligned with all the kek memes and everything. They were making money
And then once they started seeing people get banned for this, and seeing the mainstream go after the KeK flag and those memes, all of a sudden their tunes changed.
and the videos they put out changed and the things they started saying was changing
and now many of these people who were once, I don't know, like hanging out with Lauren Southern
are all of a sudden propping up, you know, far leftists and their audience has totally flipped and stuff
and there's a lot of them who did it they don't want to get banned, they don't want to lose
their income and, you know, hey, well when it's a business, it's a
sydney watson
business, I guess yeah, I mean, I can respect that, not that it, well
no, respect's the wrong word I don't know the right word, but I
get it I get it.
Yeah, I can understand it, I guess.
But yeah, I don't want people thinking I dislike June.
tim pool
I don't.
I've invited a ton of leftists.
Tons.
sydney watson
If you ever get Vosh on, let me know.
tim pool
We did.
We had him on.
Yeah, props to him.
He came on.
sydney watson
Yeah, it was great.
tim pool
Four hour conversation, too.
A lot of arguments.
I love most people, though.
And, you know, so props to him.
We disagreed on a lot of things, but that was all right, I think.
You know, I don't necessarily trust... I don't believe him and his opinions.
sydney watson
Why, do you think they're disingenuous?
tim pool
Well, how do you praise roving bands of black-led individuals burning down black neighborhoods and then support 25,000 National Guardsmen being in DC?
There's no principle there.
Like, are you in favor of attacking minority communities?
Now, I understand they might argue that's hyperbolic of me to say, No, no, literally, like in Atlanta, when that rapper, was it Big Mike, came out and said, please stop burning down my business, my neighborhood.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Like, I'm not saying that he, like, Vosh directly supported that specific moment, but just like, when I criticized the police heavily, it was because they were destroying the working class.
When I criticized Antifa and the Black Lives Matter riots, it's because they were destroying the working class.
When I criticized 25,000 troops in D.C., it's because it's literally an authoritarian lockdown.
It's always, my opinion is always about, like, the working individuals, the freedom and the rights of the people.
People like Vosh, and this is just my opinion, he's allowed to disagree, and maybe he'll say I'm incorrect, but he comes out and it's like his position is supporting Antifa, but like, bro, they burned down a black firefighters bar in Minneapolis.
Like, are you gonna come out and condemn that?
No?
You're gonna defend the actions of these people?
Probably, maybe even calling out individually, but I think they should be wholly condemned for doing this and not protected.
And then, when I tweeted, Something like, you know, DC's under lockdown.
Vosh tweeted at me, well, is there a reason you think that may be the case?
And I was like, bro, I just tweeted in support of Rashida Tlaib, a leftist, when she said, do not allow the government to expand their security powers over this.
And he's like, well, there's, you know, a reason for it to be happening.
I'm like, no, there's no context in which I'm going to support 25,000 federal troops locking down our nation's capital.
Sorry, I'm not an authoritarian.
So anyway, I digress.
There's a lot of people who claim to be leftists, but they can't sit in a hot seat.
They won't do it.
They'll make up every excuse in the book.
Oh, COVID!
Oh, I can't do it.
I'm like, Vosh was here.
He had no issues.
He didn't get sick or anything.
Like, we have hand sanitizer.
We clean the whole place.
We take care of that.
I think the reality is...
Most conservatives are, not all, definitely not all, but I would say most conservatives truly believe what they're saying.
The leftists who are willing to come on a show like this believe what they're saying and are brave.
There are a lot of leftists who probably believe what they're saying but are scared of getting
eviscerated by the by the cult or the collective because they will and cancel culture is brutal.
Conservatives have their version of cancel culture for sure but they're much more tolerant of people
who disagree with them. Maybe it's because they've grown up being used to people saying
you suck and you're bad you know what I mean. So I'll say this I will paint with a broad brush a
lot of these anti-SJW youtubers who have gone left as cowards who have simply changed their
actual opinions in order to stay safe and maintain some kind of career.
That's really what I think.
I think, you know, you see what they say, you see who they disavow, you see how their opinions change, and it's like, oh, that's just so convenient for you, isn't it?
Maintaining your business, and then meanwhile, their fans call other people grifters.
unidentified
I know, they love that word, don't they?
tim pool
Anyway, let's keep reading.
Just a lot of tweets, you know.
Sydney and Tim on one show.
It must be my birthday.
I love what you both do so much.
Well, great.
We should definitely have you on more, I suppose.
Daft Punk broke up.
That says N-Cable.
Did you guys hear that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They didn't just break up.
One of them exploded.
So they did a video where one of the dudes triggers a self-destruct and the other dude, he walks away and then explodes.
And they're like, that's it.
Daft Punk's over.
Yeah, they're done.
ian crossland
What's that animated movie they did?
And if you haven't seen it, you gotta see it.
It's amazing.
It's like an hour long.
sydney watson
They did a movie?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's all music.
And it's like this animated, it's like Interstellar 2525 or 2222 maybe.
Tim, you gotta see it.
It's awesome.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
Yeah.
Hawk says, it is so disheartening to have discussion with my woke lefty friends.
It seems like I have to unpack 10 concepts to get them to see my point of view, even still they don't get how damaging the woke ideology is in practice.
Let's play a game.
You're conservative, right?
How do you feel about universal health care?
sydney watson
Okay, no, don't ask me these questions because I'm Australian.
tim pool
So... No, no, this is great.
This is one of the reasons why I want to ask you.
sydney watson
Okay, but I don't fit neatly into the conservative... I know.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
sydney watson
Yeah, I oscillate between libertarian and conservative.
Okay.
I don't think universal healthcare in the American sense is good, but I think that some... I've never said this publicly.
Some sense of socialized healthcare is not a bad idea, in my opinion.
tim pool
Like the Australians... Not a bad idea.
sydney watson
The Australian system is good.
So like, in my opinion, but also we have, you know, 14 times less the population size or 15 times less, but we have affordable private health insurance, which I have.
But if I get really sick and I have to go to the hospital for whatever reason, it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg and I don't have to sell my kidney.
tim pool
I went to the hospital emergency room and it was an overnight stay in 2014 for a kidney stone.
And the bill was, I think, was it like $16,000?
unidentified
Sounds right.
sydney watson
Six, like one, six, like zeros.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then when I called them and said, it was actually right after I left device and before I started at Fusion, so I had a gap.
Then I said, oh, oh, it's 4,500.
It like dropped way down.
Actually, no, no, I think, I can't remember.
I've talked about this before.
It may have dropped down to 16.
I think it dropped down to 16.
I think it was like 40 or something thousand.
I'm not sure.
Insanely high.
Insane.
Overnight stay, painkillers, drugs, CAT scans, x-rays, trying to figure out what the problem was.
Super expensive.
Superintendents.
So, I'm in favor of, like, basic coverage.
You break your arm, you get your arm set, you get the flu, you get Tamiflu, you go to the hospital and make sure you don't die.
But you need some kind of private supplemental for more extreme and more expensive, you know, issues.
sydney watson
Right, and like elective surgeries and things like that.
Sure, yes.
ian crossland
You know, I don't like when people like chronic health care problems covering those because if someone eats crap and like refuses to stop eating sugar and they get really sick, I'm not gonna pay for that.
I refuse to pay for their idiocy.
It's up to you to take care of your own body.
If they fall down and break their arm, I'm happy to cover it.
sydney watson
What about someone who's, and this is not because I have a vested interest in this, I'm actually just curious, what about someone who's got an illness that is completely, has nothing to do with anything they've ever done in their life?
They've been healthy and they just end up getting diabetes because they got a virus.
tim pool
You ever see Total Recall?
sydney watson
Yes.
tim pool
What if like that dude that's growing out of their chest, like in Total Recall?
ian crossland
Yeah, I guess if it's not diet-oriented, if it's something that they have no control over, then maybe, yeah, we should take care of it.
tim pool
But that's a really good point.
I'm just curious.
There's an issue of America, a lot of sedentary people, a lot of out-of-shape, unhealthy individuals.
ian crossland
60% obesity in the U.S.?
tim pool
Yeah, crazy.
That is a big problem.
We'll be paying heavily for people having extremely... And then it will encourage them to not stop.
ian crossland
That's the problem.
sydney watson
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I guess it's because you don't want to pay.
Well, I guess the thing here is you don't want to pay for other people's lifestyle choices, right?
That's what it is.
unidentified
Definitely not.
sydney watson
So that's why I think there's like a, I don't know if it's a libertarian argument, but it's one that's like, if you want to do drugs, go for your life.
Like you want to do the thing.
Cool.
But in 20 years when you have like your, you know, you've got no veins left and you've got nice.
Exactly.
You know, your, your heart is not working.
Your body is shutting down.
Don't expect me to pay for it.
And I think that's not a bad idea.
tim pool
The reason I asked is that we have no discernible way to determine what is conservative or liberal.
Right.
There's no, like, Vosh came here and he said that I was far right.
sydney watson
You're far right?
tim pool
He said I was far right.
sydney watson
Get out.
tim pool
I know, it's funny.
I'm like, I literally did a documentary on systemic and institutional racism Have argued with Trump supporters about the existence of
such things and they're like you're far, right? I tweeted.
It was really funny I tweeted I actually like Jacobin the magazine because they
have an article actually have several defending free speech And so I was like, hey look
I don't have to agree with them on their politics their economic values
But like they're standing up for the principle of free speech for the right reasons and I respect them for doing
it People who are willing to like we can disagree on policy on
policy and stuff But if we agree on freedom and the reason we need it, well,
I'm good Go for it.
Do your thing.
And then someone responded, you're a leftist.
It makes sense.
And I'm like, I love it.
To the conservatives, I'm a leftist.
They're like, obviously.
And then to the leftists, I'm far right.
sydney watson
So it's just like... You're kind of politically homeless, aren't you?
But you don't really fit neatly into... Yeah.
tim pool
Centrist.
unidentified
Heavens.
sydney watson
I don't know, though.
Like, I don't know if centrists really exist today.
tim pool
I mean, because of hyperpolarization, it doesn't.
sydney watson
Yeah, because I would classify you as, like, center-left.
tim pool
Oh yeah, definitely.
I've always been center-left libertarian.
sydney watson
See, I've always thought that I'm center-right, and people are always like, why are you so far right?
Why are you so right-wing?
ian crossland
And I'm like... What about you is, like, far right?
sydney watson
Nothing!
Nothing!
But I get it all the time.
ian crossland
What makes you center right?
What do you feel like?
unidentified
How do you?
sydney watson
Because I think that I, even though people do, I try really hard to see things from, even though I don't agree with the liberal perspective most of the time, because I do, I am Australian.
I've grown up in a country that's not like hard right.
You know, it's Australian conservatism is very different to American conservatism, in my humble opinion.
tim pool
Because your conservatives are still pretty leftist, right?
sydney watson
Yeah, I mean, like, there's some... there's some... so, for example, Australia is not a Christian... well, some people are Christian in Australia, but for the most part, and some Aussies would disagree with me on this, a lot of Aussies are not Christian, and they don't have any sort of religious bent, or if they are a Christian, they're not practicing.
My grandma, who is a hardcore Catholic, once described Australia as a godless nation, which, I mean...
I don't know how wrong she is, because a lot of people just don't have belief, which is fine, whatever.
You know, a lot of Aussies are pro-choice, so that's another big thing.
A lot of people would be like, oh my god, can't believe it, but that's like a really common perspective to have, is just to be like, yep, cool, I'm fine with this.
tim pool
I think it's very simple.
Are you woke or anti-woke?
sydney watson
I think that's a way better way of looking at things, honestly.
tim pool
And then it's really funny because you get these progressives who thought it was better to prop up Joe Biden than Donald Trump because Biden was weak, I guess, and he might give them some of what they want.
And my opinion was it was better to prop up Donald Trump because he was more disruptive to the establishment and was doing better for working class people than Biden was.
No new wars was a good thing.
Not like Trump was perfect.
And so it was like, is that the only real divide?
Because on policy, I actually will, like, sit down with some of these, like, progressive channels and be like, oh, I agree.
Yeah, I agree on that.
Like, we had Destiny on the show, and we agreed on a ton of stuff.
But he's actually super woke, so I think that defines it, I guess.
I guess, I guess the thing is to be on the left, you have to never challenge the left, which is why leftists won't come on the show.
They're scared.
And I'm not saying it to be mean or get a rise out of them.
They genuinely are like, I will get attacked by the left.
I'm willing to call them out and say, nah, these people are nuts.
They aren't because they don't want to attack.
They don't want to risk their bread and butter.
sydney watson
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess I think that's why I'm happy to be on this side of things, you know?
Yeah, freedom.
People actually are open to it.
Yeah, freedom.
Funny about that.
unidentified
There you go.
ian crossland
Collectivism versus individualism.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
That's a good way of looking at it.
sydney watson
Thinking for yourself.
Very important.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more.
We got Larry Rego says, I just want you to say my name.
I'm drunk and barbecuing.
Keep up the good work, my man.
unidentified
Will do.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
tim pool
Daniel Welch says, can't wait for the members-only section where Sydney can do us Aussies proud by showing we are the most foul-mouthed country on earth.
It's gonna be great, isn't it?
I'm excited!
Oh man, we actually went way too long on the Super Chats.
I gotta read some more.
Student of History says, idea for a new law, the reaffirmation of the supremacy of the Constitution and amendments across the U.S.
with fatty fines for and government group or persons violating these laws.
And yes, Timcast crew, government stomps your rights and people say yes daddy.
sydney watson
See, I told you it's a thing.
It's definitely a thing.
tim pool
DJ Mederos says, Genghis Khan, is it, it's Genghis Khan?
sydney watson
Genghis.
tim pool
Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire exterminated 11% of the world's existing population at the time of their empire.
Yikes, man!
He killed too many people, geez.
sydney watson
But he let them keep their religions.
tim pool
There you go.
lydia smith
If he left them alive.
sydney watson
Yes.
tim pool
Daniel Irving says, Tim, please hire Sydney if she's willing.
Been watching her channel for a couple years.
She's a perfect fit for Timcast IRL.
lydia smith
Great.
tim pool
They want you to stay on the show.
sydney watson
There you go, Tim.
Hot commodity, hot commodity right here.
tim pool
NJBFootball says, Hey Tim, this is my first Super Chat.
If you want to mimic a New Zealand accent, listen to Clone Troopers in the Star Wars Episodes 2 and 3.
I know they say teekst.
Yeah, when you send someone a deekst.
sydney watson
So your E sounds, you have to say sucks for six.
So they say, sucks.
unidentified
Yep.
Sucks.
sydney watson
D sucks is 66.
tim pool
Can you do a New Zealand accent?
sydney watson
I cannot.
Cause I don't, I don't sound like I have a mouthful of sand.
tim pool
Is that what you say?
Is that what I sound?
sydney watson
No, I, I apologize to the Kiwis, but I, the, the hardcore Kiwi accent, I'm like, Mary accent's kinda cool, though.
ian crossland
Is that where kiwis are from?
tim pool
Kiwi fruits?
lydia smith
The birds?
tim pool
No, they're from China.
Kiwi birds are from New Zealand.
sydney watson
They're from New Zealand, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Because they look like kiwis.
sydney watson
They're very cute.
unidentified
They're very cute.
tim pool
The Civic Nationalist says the Queen is the head of state of all members of the Commonwealth.
She has the power to dissolve Parliament.
Please read more about the monarchy if you are going to criticize my country.
Get someone who actually does know this stuff on if you do want to talk about monarchy.
How dare you insult the Queen!
ian crossland
I would love to have a monarchist on the show.
Just someone that knows everything about it.
tim pool
Not a monarchist, maybe a monarchy expert.
Like a monarchist is different.
Like pro-monarchy.
ian crossland
I don't really care where they're pro or con lies.
I just want the knowledge.
tim pool
You know, I had a conversation with some lefties a long time ago where I said that authoritarianism is more efficient than collectivism and they disagreed.
And I was like, listen, I didn't say it was good.
I said that when the Soviets snapped their fingers to build something, it was built.
Not well, though.
Efficient doesn't mean... I'm not saying it was going to work.
I'm saying that they could say, go do this now.
In a free system, in a free market system, guiding, you know, trying to get something done is often very difficult.
Incentives, tax incentives, weird regulation.
It ends up becoming just some kind of command economy.
We have a whole bunch of super chats from everybody saying that, uh, you know, Sydney is great.
Glad to see her on the show.
So I'm just going to skip over all these ones and, uh, jump down and just do a couple more.
sydney watson
Well, I collectively love all the people who said nice things.
Thank you.
tim pool
Mickey Stone says, Victorian here.
$5,000 fines aren't worth going further than five kilometers away from your home.
Our police force is the bigger issue.
They just do whatever the government says.
Also, everyone in the suburbs hates Melbourne city and inner suburb folk.
unidentified
Is that true?
sydney watson
Yeah, it's so true.
No, it is so true.
So I grew up in one of the last suburbs, like, of Melbourne before it becomes Victoria.
And yeah, like, people are just anti the city folk because they just don't, they're, it's just different.
It's different.
I'm not, I'm not going to say anything negative about them, but it's just different.
But the police, yes, they act like attack dogs for the Victorian government and it is revolting.
Totally revolting.
You want to talk about police brutality?
tim pool
We should.
When you can swear.
In the bonus segment over at TimCast.com.
We have a question for Luke from Drew P. Weiner.
Is InfoWars Alex Jones owned by Time Warner and Ted Turner?
What do you make of the video of a cop asking an InfoWars employee who he works for?
luke rudkowski
I haven't seen that video.
Send it to me, LukeWeAreChange.
I don't think AJ works for Ted Turner or CNN.
There was a lot of negative things said about Ted Turner and CNN by Alex Jones, so I haven't seen it.
But if you have any evidence... What was his name again?
ian crossland
P. Weiner?
luke rudkowski
P. Weiner.
Drew P. Weiner.
If you have some evidence, I would love to see it.
LukeWeAreChange Twitter.
lydia smith
I feel like I'm on The Simpsons.
tim pool
Brandon McGregor says not all Aussies are happy with other Aussies being like,
okay daddy government. But then again, I'm an Aussie that is not a descendant of convicts,
so maybe that has something to do with it. Also great to see Sydney here.
sydney watson
Oh yeah, I totally acknowledge that.
That's why I want to make the point.
Some Aussies are like, Daddy, yay, mmm, government, mmm.
But a lot of them think like I do.
And they're based, and I love them.
tim pool
Because they are criminals?
sydney watson
Yeah, because, well, apparently our friend here is not a crim.
tim pool
A crim?
Is that what you guys say?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you guys like, you like find out this guy you've been dating is actually a crim?
And you're like, oh no!
You know, secret tribes of the descendants of the Commonwealth?
sydney watson
Yeah, we're all separated out into our little segregation groups.
You got us.
tim pool
Grant Thompson says, slave comes from the French word esclave of the same term.
Esclave comes from the Latin word esclava, which is the Latin word for that term, as well as the Latin word for Slav.
Slavs were the predominant slaves of Europe.
Oh, interesting.
unidentified
Where's my reparations?
tim pool
Nova Zero says, hey Sydney, you wanna start saying yeah nah to these see your new mates?
sydney watson
Yeah, nah?
That's actually a thing, we do say that.
Yeah nah.
For yeah.
tim pool
Kevin Sear says, Ian, you get my very first super chat.
Sometimes when you open your mouth, it's like nails on a chalkboard, but dang.
Dang it, I love that shirt.
Reminds me of David Tennant's Doctor on Doctor Who.
You keep being you.
ian crossland
I'd love to get one of those time warp machine things.
Did that burn your ears, dude?
What was that guy's name?
Thanks for the super chat, by the way.
lydia smith
No, it was nice of him.
tim pool
Cyan Davies says, my other super chat didn't seem to go through properly, but I was saying that Australia isn't the weak-minded country of weak individuals many are saying.
Most of us just want to be left alone to do what we want.
Yeah.
That's what everybody kind of wants, but when you do that, the bad people take over.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
Patriot American says, Tim, are you planning on having Kyle Kashuv on the show anytime soon?
Also, Sydney, love you and your videos.
Um... No, but we could, definitely.
Kyle's cool.
Would love to have him on the show.
That'd be great.
Talk about guns.
And other stuff.
Uh, let's see.
Let's maybe do, uh, one more.
Mad Russian says, Sydney, why do you call yourself a vampire lord?
sydney watson
Okay.
So back in the day, probably about, probably about a decade ago, I used to make videos, music videos, where I'd like playing, play piano and sing.
Cause that's the thing that I used to do.
And a couple people found the channel that I have that is still up on YouTube.
I think that has two videos on it.
And they were like, oh, you haven't aged in 10 years, so you must be a vampire.
And I was like, yep, definitely a vampire.
I can't remember where the Lord thing came from.
It's just when people say stupid things to me that I just, I'm like, well, cool guys, here's my new name.
tim pool
Well, it just means you're in charge of the vampires.
sydney watson
Exactly.
I am the vampire Lord.
unidentified
I mean, like, that's, that's like a widow's peak.
sydney watson
Yeah, exactly.
It's a hardcore one too.
tim pool
Let's see.
C4maBurgersWorkshop, I'm probably pronouncing that wrong, says, I'm a Kiwi and we don't speak like that.
End your blasphemy.
I interviewed that guy Gareth Morgan and his wife because they rode their motorcycles through North and South Korea.
lydia smith
So cool.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy stuff.
Cool story.
Anyway, my friends, smash that like button.
And if you haven't already, go to TimCast.com, become a member because we're going to have a profendi-laden segment with Sydney coming up in about an hour or so where we'll continue the conversation.
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You want to shout out anything, Sydney?
sydney watson
Oh, no, just, you know what?
Because YouTube has started age-restricting and deleting my content.
tim pool
Have they really?
sydney watson
Yeah.
It's really upsetting.
I wake up to like, this is age-restricted.
I'm like, okay, cool.
This is great.
Got my first warning and all that sort of stuff happening.
So it's a good time.
luke rudkowski
Welcome to the club.
sydney watson
Yeah I feel like I'm part of a really like a really small cool group of people now no but um my biggest thing at the moment is because I don't know how long my channel is going to be around uh if you do want to go and follow my channel people are welcome to obviously at Sydney Watson it's very all straightforward but my website I would love people to go and subscribe to my email list because then I can send them cute emails about things I'm doing oh there you go there you go I'm just yeah I'm like you I like I don't want to promote like the big social medias because it's like They just hate us.
You never know how long you're going to be around for before they're just like, yep, that's it, get out.
luke rudkowski
That's exactly what I've been doing.
Also on wearechange.org, top right hand corner, you could put in your email and you could guarantee my safety from, of course, the big tech oligarchs that, of course, we haven't been having the best of relationship as of with for a very long time.
Also, the shirt I'm wearing right now says you had me at F the system.
If you like it and you want it, you could get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Thanks again for having me.
ian crossland
You can also follow me at iancrossland.net, follow my social medias and if you'd like to pick up a mug or some other piece of merchandise like this one that says free the code!
lydia smith
Love it.
ian crossland
Something I want to do in the future, free some software code from these big tech organizations to dispense with this monopolistic force.
Thanks for following.
Sydney, thanks for being here and leave a comment on this video if you liked it because it's about to go up on YouTube where you can comment.
lydia smith
Yes indeed, and I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter.
I am Sour Patch Lids also on mine, Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram.
That is where you can watch my little post-show chats.
I go home and I make tea, and I talk about the things that I think about, and I think about a lot of philosophy.
So if you're interested in that kind of thing, follow me over there on my Instagram, Real Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
We get one last super chat because this one just came in.
Michael Holder says, check out the latest Vosh Destiny debate.
Lots of crazy to dig through, but the main takeaway is that Vosh not only literally doesn't have principles, but believes no one has principles.
Dude's legit nuts.
Destiny looked like the Pope in comparison.
With that being said, let's jump to the TimCast.com members only bonus segment coming up in hopefully just about an hour or so.
Go to TimCast.com and we will see you all there.
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