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Timcast IRL - AOC Ignites Tabloid Drama Distraction Deriding Cop Who Saved Her w/ FreedomToons
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tim pool
you it has now been nearly a month since the since the storming
of the capital in Washington DC.
And just the other night, Ocasio-Cortez told this story, recounting this very traumatic moment for her, and I mean that, it was traumatic for her, she says so, where a police officer knocked on her door, she says, pounded very loudly, said, where is she?
And she was afraid for her life, thinking it was the rioters.
Well, it was actually a cop who was there to save her, and then ushered her and her staff out and told them to run and go to another building.
It's created kind of a tabloid controversy that I think is a dumb distraction because right now we have the GameStop rebellion, we have Joe Biden signing or preparing an executive order to nationalize 9 million immigrants, so like we have a lot going on in this country.
But for some reason the headlines are dominated by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Michael Tracy.
It really is the weirdest thing.
And so here we are, once again, wrapped up in this.
But you know what?
We were sitting here talking about, shouldn't we open with China threatening Taiwan and Joe Biden's immigration policies?
And I was like, you're right, you're right.
But this is trending.
We should address it in a critical way to call it out.
And we're going to call it out.
We're going to call out how, now that Trump is gone, What we're seeing is many of these tabloid drama culture war outlets are desperate to get something.
So they're going after Marjorie Taylor Greene, now AOC comes out.
Michael Tracy tweeted one thing and now they're writing news stories in Newsweek about him?
Dude, he's just a guy on Twitter.
He's a journalist.
What is this?
It's ridiculous.
And then we're going to talk about China, and we're going to talk about immigration, and then we're going to talk about life after death, and just kind of chill out, you know, and have some more serious conversations.
I don't really like talking about people, so we are going to be talking about AOC and the drama, but we're going to be talking about the ideas around it and why it's happening.
So, that being said, we are joined today by none other than Seamus of Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
It's great to be back, Tim.
I've missed this.
I've missed this.
tim pool
How long has it been?
seamus coughlin
It has been since the election.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Cause you were like pointing at a bunch of things we built and you're like, what's happening?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
I was here.
seamus coughlin
I was like, what has happened to this house?
You guys have, you don't, you don't even want to know what's going on behind the scenes here.
It's actually terrifying.
I wish I hadn't learned.
My eyes have been open and I can't close them now.
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Horrifying.
tim pool
Alright.
seamus coughlin
You know, it's interesting what you said about AOC, and you said you don't like talking about people.
I also don't.
I like making cartoons about them, and I feel like there's a way to make it good-natured, and to poke fun at them exactly the way you want to, but I find when you're on the spot talking about these public figures, it's a little worrisome, because you're like, I don't want to say the wrong thing and treat this person unjustly, even though I think they're wrong about basically everything.
tim pool
I want to rag on people who are taking this whole situation seriously.
And it's not about AOC saying, you know, I was experiencing trauma.
I can respect someone being scared and their perspective.
And when I heard her tell the story, I was like, how about that?
And then I moved on.
The issue is the drama that they've developed around it.
Latching onto Michael Tracy and Glenn Greenwald and trying to make this into a big story because they don't...
Maybe it's because they know that they'll get more traffic doing a snapback article than actually talking about important things.
We'll get into it.
seamus coughlin
I'd be interested to see the coverage on AOC's story compared to the coverage on Rand Paul being attacked.
Oh, right, for sure.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, we got Luka Kaskis, Sean.
luke rudkowski
Well, I actually talked about the story today in my own personal video, and I just mentioned it for five seconds saying it's absolutely nonsensical, stupid, and has no effect on your life.
But here we are.
Even the Rolling Stones wrote an article titled, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said something genuine.
So, of course, men reacted poorly.
That's on the Rolling Stones right now, of course, going after Michael Tracy and other people.
The world has gone mad.
There's a lot more important things that we should be focusing on.
But, you know, c'est la vie.
Welcome back, beautiful and amazing human beings.
This is Ugadowski of WeAreChange.org.
If you want to get involved with what I'm doing, you could check me out and my efforts on WeAreChange.org forward slash donate and I release videos almost daily on the YouTube channel WeAreChange.
Thanks for having me.
seamus coughlin
Well, I should have done a plug like that.
That was way better.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
I've studied.
Hey, everybody.
I'm Ian Croson.
I also am not a huge fan of talking about people, but I'd like talking about sociology and cult worship and, you know, what we're looking at right now with like YouTube stars, like OC's a celebrity using the YouTubes to get her message out there.
But I really like talking about what we were talking about earlier.
Like, what's God?
What is God exactly?
tim pool
That's what we're going to get to later on.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And what is God?
ian crossland
Are you pro-death penalty, Luke?
luke rudkowski
Um, no.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, we're having that conversation also.
luke rudkowski
You're just putting me on the spot.
What's your stance on abortion, Ian?
Are you pro-abortion or anti-abortion?
Yes or no?
Give me an answer right now.
ian crossland
I'm pro-choice.
Uh-oh.
seamus coughlin
That's going to be another debate.
We're not afraid to talk.
tim pool
That one goes for like 10 hours as soon as it happens.
seamus coughlin
We had a debate about that that was like an hour.
We took up like the last hour of the show.
It was good though.
It was a good conversation.
tim pool
Okay, also, Sarpatch Lids is pushing all the buttons.
lydia smith
I am here in the corner, pushing all the buttons, trying to keep up with all this conversation.
seamus coughlin
Thank you, Lids.
tim pool
That's the introduction.
Let's jump into the tabloid drama, but before we do, head over to timcast.com.
Become a member.
We have this really great members-only post from the other night.
Where we showed this video from Tony Robbins calling out COVID as hysteria, saying John Hopkins did the study, they said the death rate hasn't changed, like it's 2.8 million.
Interesting conversation.
The best part is somehow we managed to segue into a story about Luke getting catfished, and it's just...
Talking about nonsense, I guess.
luke rudkowski
I have some very interesting stories.
tim pool
And if you can watch it, if you go to TimCast.com and become a member.
But let me, I will stress, I've been going really, really hard on the hedge funds and Wall Street and the establishment elites.
And this is the real issue, the real threat, when the left and the right agree.
One of the reasons I think that we're getting this AOC story as prominent as it is, is because it easily distracts from the Wall Street bets, you know, GameStop rebellion.
So all of a sudden, everyone's writing stories.
They tried to divert, saying, buy silver.
It didn't work.
Now they're like, hey everybody, look at this.
People are fighting again.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you know.
tim pool
We run the risk of getting banned when we actually cut through the noise and talk about real issues.
And they've been banning a lot of people.
So that's why we set up TimCast.com and we're expanding.
We're going to be doing a, we have a new format coming out soon.
There's a new blog section and we're going to be featuring content and videos and writing original stuff and putting up original stuff.
It'll be a lot of fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You were going to say something, James?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I posted a cartoon today about the whole Wall Street fiasco.
If you guys want to check out Freedom Tunes, it's called Game Stonks, and I think you'll all love it very much.
unidentified
It's awesome.
ian crossland
Also, Ethereum hit an all-time high today.
tim pool
What did it hit?
ian crossland
1490 or something.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Here's a story from Fox News.
tim pool
AOC questions if Capitol Police Officer tried to put her in a vulnerable situation.
He was here, he said to buy some, so I was like, okay.
And then I did.
Yeah, that's a huge gain.
Wow, I should look into that.
Anyway, let's talk news.
Here's a story from Fox News.
AOC questions if Capitol Police Officer tried to put her in a vulnerable situation.
Quote, he was looking at me with a tremendous amount of anger and hostility.
They say, Rep AOC wondered aloud Monday whether a Capitol Police Officer
who barged into her office to direct her to a safe location during the January 6th riot
was actually trying to protect her or not, saying, like so many other communities in this country,
just that presence doesn't give you a clear signal if you're safe or not.
So the situation did not feel okay.
AOC has for weeks said she thought she was going to die that day.
She said the officer had anger and hostility in his eyes, and she questioned whether or not he had been trying to put her in a vulnerable situation.
Still, she said she wasn't sure and was trying not to pass judgment.
The New York Democrat detailed on Instagram Live Monday night the series of events that led her to question the officer's motives.
At the time, she realized Ryders had breached the Capitol and she hid in her office, fearing for her life.
She says that, uh, a little after 1 p.m., she heard banging on the door, like someone was trying to break down the door.
Fearing it was a rioter, she hid in her bathroom.
She said she heard repeated yells of, where is she, through the door hinge.
I see this white man in a black beanie.
I have never been quieter in my life.
All of a sudden, I hear my staffer G yell out, hey, it's okay, come out.
When I come out, this man is a Capitol Police officer.
He was looking at me with a tremendous amount of anger and hostility.
Things weren't adding up, she continued.
She said her staffer had also not known if the officer was there to help us or hurt us.
That is how aggressive the situation was in that moment.
We couldn't tell if this was a good situation or a bad situation.
Well, I'll tell you.
The first thing I'll say is... AOC has no conflict experience.
What did she do?
She went to Boston University or whatever?
seamus coughlin
She did work at a bar, though.
I mean, bar friends do break out.
A little bit facetious, but yeah.
tim pool
You know, I can respect that she was genuinely scared.
seamus coughlin
100%.
tim pool
But I am a little mildly perturbed at this story where you have a cop rushing to her because he knows she's famous, I'm assuming.
But this cop goes to her office, knocks on the door, probably loudly.
I mean, there's a riot going on.
And when he says, where is she?
She assumes all these negative things about the cop who actually saved her and protected her and told her to go to a different building.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
So what is the exact complaint here from her?
Just that he was too angry or he was harsh in his tone?
Or did he say something to her?
I don't understand.
tim pool
Yeah, he was harsh in his tone.
And, you know, interestingly, I'm not going to put all the heat on AOC for this one.
She was telling a story about how she felt and how she perceived it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I get it.
tim pool
That's fine.
The issue is how the media's latching onto it to turn it into a culture war issue.
seamus coughlin
That's a very good point.
tim pool
And then Michael Tracy called it emotional manipulation.
I even said earlier, I wouldn't call it manipulation.
Actually, you know, Michael Tracy's right.
But I don't think it's, you know, what she did when she told the story was more about promoting herself and getting more attention because she is a master at turning the story into a story about AOC.
Now, it's nearly a month later, and the Capitol riot story is all about AOC, and Ted Cruz almost had her killed, and now she's hiding in her bathroom.
And there are a lot of questions we've got to bring up about this story, but I don't know.
Luke, you were going to say something?
luke rudkowski
I mean, it was an intense moment.
It would be interesting to know if this was before and after the police shot and killed someone.
But, you know, that officer probably thought he was risking his life, and it was a very intense moment, so I think that's worth factoring in here, too.
And as you said, what's the story here?
There's none.
It's a nothing burger.
Nothing happened.
It's a personal story that again, the mainstream media and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, even though she's not really, you know, obsessing about it and pushing it like the mainstream media is, she knows what she's doing on the same hand as well.
She knows the attention this is going to get.
This is going to garner.
She knows the talking points.
And essentially, I mean, we're talking about it, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
It's a perfect story because it's going to get both sides worked up.
You're going to have all the boomer cons who just love picking over every single one of AOC's sentences and freaking out about it.
And granted, there's subject matter there.
But at some point, when you argue with a fool, there are two, and you just have to ignore some of this.
I hear you on that, too, because the media keeps shoving it in our face.
tim pool
I want to tell you exactly why I decided to talk about this story.
Because it's precisely how much I don't care about it.
And it embodies perfectly what I see almost like every day in news.
This was trending.
This story was trending this morning.
The Young Turks dedicated a live segment to this, like pathetic Michael Tracy.
And I'm like, that's what they are.
That's what they do.
That's what these news outlets and even the Young Turks do.
They pile on to the drama.
When I saw that AOC was, you know, this livestream, you know what I thought?
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
That's it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
You know what I thought?
A white guy in a black beanie.
I just pictured you.
I pictured you.
unidentified
It was me.
tim pool
I was the cop the whole time.
seamus coughlin
That was her actual complaint.
tim pool
That's beautiful.
There are stories like this all the time, where it's like, I see someone, you know, like someone from the squad tweet something, and I'm just like, I just see it and I go, uh-huh.
How is that impacting anything?
She told the story.
It was her feelings in the moment.
She told it the way she felt it.
It was good for her.
It generated a lot of press.
Congratulations.
And then, when Michael Tracy criticizes her, and he's just some dude on Twitter.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
He's a journalist.
He's got a Twitter account.
It turns into a major story where everyone's picking it up.
Listen, what we need to focus on, and we need a media to call out, say, Biden's 43 executive orders.
Oh my goodness.
Instead, what we get is drama between Twitter accounts.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
Get used to that, though.
I mean, that gets views.
That's more interesting.
Who cares about executive orders?
And who in the media is going to talk about them?
ian crossland
Yep.
You know what I would like to point out?
I think maybe Congress should have combat training now.
Maybe it should be important if you're going to run for office and you get voted in that you need some sort of military training.
seamus coughlin
You remember when politicians used to duel each other?
Yes.
I mean, none of us remember it.
ian crossland
We weren't there.
unidentified
Historically, yes.
seamus coughlin
Read about that in a history book or two.
tim pool
I was watching Back to the Future, it was on the other day, and it was Back to the Future 3, where, you know, Biff, or whatever the guy, no, no, that was his name, Buford, that was his name.
He's gonna, you know, shoot at noon or whatever, old cliche.
And I was like, yeah, it's kind of like, we used to be, like, these high noon, ten paces duels in the Wild West, like, we used to do this all the time.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, politicians literally would just shoot each other.
ian crossland
Dude, if you ran into someone with your horse, they'd just shoot you.
seamus coughlin
Do you guys remember about 10 years ago, it was either a senator or congressman who yelled, you lie at Obama?
And they were like, I don't remember who, but the entire media was like, this is unprecedented.
This level of incivility.
I was like, they used to shoot each other.
Like they used to shoot each other.
But yeah, it's horrible.
And obviously, it's a better place to be in where yelling is bad.
And, you know, you're that far removed from violence.
But unfortunately, it does seem we are returning there in a lot of ways.
Tensions have been escalating.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy when you look back a hundred years ago, hundreds of years ago, how, like, they didn't really value their own lives all that much.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, I wouldn't want to duel someone because I've grown quite fond of Yeah, I feel like we've talked about this before.
seamus coughlin
Maybe I've had this conversation with someone else, and maybe it's the way the past was depicted, or the machismo that people had.
But yeah, folks were a lot more willing to take risks that would result in their life ending.
tim pool
I'm gonna die!
seamus coughlin
I've got about three teeth left, so it's probably about time anyway.
tim pool
So there's a few things that I wanted to highlight with this story.
Should we have politicians who aren't going to be scared and hide in the bathroom while their staffers stand guard for them?
You know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
I don't blame her for being scared.
She didn't know what was going on.
I don't blame her.
She was scared.
Is this sort of back to Ian's point about some kind of military training for Congress people?
tim pool
I don't know if we need Congress people to have military training or something like that.
But there's a funny issue in the story where she says her staffer told her it was safe to come out, implying that she was hiding in the bathroom and left her staffer out in the front to confront the rent.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I get that.
I hear you on that point, yes.
tim pool
So, the issue I'm bringing up is...
Are these the people who are going to be voting our kids into war?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's a very good point.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
They should be armed.
They should learn how to handle weapons, have some sort of combat training, and be armed if they're going to be working at the Capitol.
seamus coughlin
You know, I think that's a really good point.
Not necessarily because we expect that the Capitol is going to be continually attacked.
Again, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
That said, if you are going to be sending people to fight in wars, and you are going to be regulating guns, you should probably have some knowledge of combat.
luke rudkowski
I say, let's go a step further.
If you want to fight a war, you go fight it.
If a politician wants to start one, bring your sons, bring yourself, go out there, just like the kings did.
The kings back in the day, obviously, as you said, way back in the day, if they wanted to fight a war, they would literally put their brothers, their sisters, their whole family on the front line.
They were the ones leading the charge, and why not bring that back?
Let's even bring back dueling if they want to do it themselves voluntarily.
tim pool
I mean to me that's a that's a that's a you know solution that a Voluntarist would really like you need to like sign a contract like here by duel the problem with that is Someone could be coerced into signing something where they could yeah, I don't like it and then murder somebody I definitely like to do.
Oh, sorry No, I was going to say, there was a period where the kings stopped doing that.
And then, I don't know if you guys ever seen the movie The Patriot.
Man, I reference The Patriot so often.
lydia smith
Yeah, all the time.
seamus coughlin
I remember that one.
tim pool
Where Cornwallis is like, you know, stop killing my officers.
Could you imagine the chaos of, you know, no officers on the battlefield?
Like, you can't kill those guys.
Just kill the poor people.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's really, really horrible.
And I'm definitely not a fan of dueling, but I hear you guys very much on this idea that There should be more of a cost to the people waging these wars, or pushing the country into them, that there isn't.
I mean, it's a cost that your average person pays, or is more liable to pay, and they just don't.
luke rudkowski
To me, it's also kind of awkward to see the people who create one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world, specifically with Yemen, selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, and allowing that, telling us about uncivility, and how rude people are, and how violent protests are.
The two don't really add up when you really look at it from that perspective.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, you look at the fact that Boeing had like a $580 billion contract servicing the F-12s that were being used to bomb Yemen by the Saudi Arabian government.
luke rudkowski
Well, no, no, no.
The U.S.-Saudi coalition that are working together in tandem bombing the crap out of mainly the Houthi areas, which of course is creating the worst humanitarian crisis according to the United Nations.
tim pool
So here's what I want to do.
You know, we're talking about this, the Capitol riot again.
I'm just kind of like, it's been a month.
Why is this still coming up?
And so long as they want to milk it for all it's worth and then run these segments, I'll just be like, can we get that dude who's bar burnt down in the Minneapolis riots on the TV as well?
Cause I'm, I'm, I'm all down.
So like AOC told her story.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I respect that.
You know, I hear you.
I hear you.
It was probably traumatic.
You've never experienced before.
I must be, must be crazy and sorry it happened to you.
How about we make room on the stage for the businessman who set up a sports bar.
It was his dream.
He was a firefighter.
And then it got destroyed by these rioters.
How come we didn't have this massive news cycle for this guy?
And it was incumbent upon independent news channels and social media to promote this guy, to get him the support he needed.
luke rudkowski
Well, they're going to be talking about this for four years, minimum.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
This is their 9-11.
This is their Pearl Harbor.
This is the event that they're going to be milking till... I don't even want to say when, but I remember even driving... Till the cows come home.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
luke rudkowski
Perfect.
unidentified
I love it.
luke rudkowski
I remember just even today driving and listening to NPR, and they had a CIA guy.
seamus coughlin
Of course.
luke rudkowski
Who was talking about the dangers of insurrection domestically and specifically going on about how we need to take down Trump.
We need to charge him with as much as we can because he represents a strong guy and there's an ideology that we need to fight domestically and it was bomb.
It was just mind-boggling sitting back driving and watching and seeing a CIA guy who fought off insurgents in the Middle East now trying to implement some of those policies Inside of the United States domestically and when you look at Biden and the people he surrounded himself with especially with the laser like focus that the intelligence agencies under him according to John Brennan are going to be focusing now on the libertarians and on the nativists.
We're headed towards a situation that's not going to be clearing up anytime and this is why they're going to be talking about this insurrection for at least, at least four years.
I'm surprised we're still not milking 9-11 just like Rudy Giuliani did every opportunity.
seamus coughlin
We basically are with the Yeah, exactly, with the Patriot Act.
All the same laws are in effect, and all the same overreactions are still in place.
You know, we're still fighting in the Middle East.
These wars have continued after 20 years.
luke rudkowski
Afghanistan.
And even today, we've got news and information that, you know, Germany is pushing the United States to stay in longer.
And most likely, the other information and other reports we're getting in today is that the withdrawal that was planned from Afghanistan is not going to happen.
ian crossland
Oh, jeez.
luke rudkowski
So, the troop withdrawal.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and what a shock that is, right?
tim pool
Listen, you know why I love the GameStop story?
Is that for once, you have a clear path to uniting left and right on an issue they agree on, and against the establishment elites who propagate these wars.
And then we see this drama pop up, which is the distraction, in my opinion, on purpose, to get us off topic, to focus on stupid drama that doesn't mean anything.
seamus coughlin
Well, and it's funny because they go on and on about how it was Trump who riled up these tensions, and I think it was even claimed that Ted Cruz was responsible.
AOC insinuated that earlier.
That's what he said.
luke rudkowski
AOC said that, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, which is so insane.
And their whole argument is, well, they propagated misinformation that All right, well, what about all the lies the media told to get us into these conflicts in the Middle East?
How many people have died as a result of that?
And how many of them are on camera?
How many of them are we talking to?
tim pool
Do you see the New York Times call for a reality czar?
seamus coughlin
A reality czar?
Yes.
Oh, but that's already what they are, isn't it?
tim pool
But I'm sorry, they said a task force.
So that would be more like a Ministry of Truth.
luke rudkowski
They're talking about a cross-agency of experts coming together to tackle disinformation and quote, domestic extremism.
tim pool
Yeah, Luke, it's called a Ministry of Truth.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, the realities are.
But that's not even the bigger story here.
The person who called for it, the New York Times, officially called for this with their article by Kevin Rose saying that this is a good idea and that this is needed.
Where have we come where we have the New York Times of all ... publications the publication that by the way told the ... American people that there was weapons of mass destruction ... in Iraq they were the first ones to sell that lie to the ... American people and now they're telling us we need a ... ministry of truth we need a realities are we need to have ... control of information that they're going to be working ... with tech platforms on along with the government making ... sure that information is of course held in the hands of the ...
tim pool
Here's my favorite part.
So wait, we have the article from the New York Times.
It says a point of realities are several experts I spoke with recommend the Biden
administration put together a cross agency task force to tackle disinformation and domestic
extremism, which would be led by something like a realities are. It sounds a little dystopian,
unidentified
I'll grant but let's hear them out. No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
We don't hear them out.
It's like a guy coming and being like, we would like to have a camp set up where you can take people who believe bad things and are causing problems to place them for a certain period of time and then maybe teach them things to change the disinformation.
That way they're no longer a threat to society.
And I know, I know it sounds bad, but hear me out.
No, I'm not going to hear you out.
We don't want a ministry of truth in this country.
luke rudkowski
I'm sorry.
The news publication that lied to us and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people meaninglessly that led to a migrant crisis is not going to be lecturing me about how truth needs to be controlled by central forces in the government.
What they're talking about here is essentially the tech platforms working with experts from agencies all around the United States government to fight conspiracy theories.
They're the biggest pushers of conspiracy theories.
unidentified
100%.
luke rudkowski
And it's just a slap in the face.
That's one out of thousands of other examples we can make.
seamus coughlin
And with the New York Times, it goes so much further back.
We were talking about this on the show, I think the last time I was here, and how the Holodomor was covered up by the New York Times.
Their journalist, Janine, won the Pulitzer Prize for covering it.
Amazing!
And so, yeah, the press has always been horrible, and yeah, the idea that they would talk about conspiracy theories when they just spent the last three years claiming without any evidence that the President of the United States was a Russian asset who's being controlled by Putin.
unidentified
They're bringing it back, baby!
tim pool
They're bringing it back!
seamus coughlin
Are they trying to make the same argument?
unidentified
Jimmy Kimmel is saying Wall Street vets, probably some Russian bots.
seamus coughlin
How, this is, like, don't they, they have to understand how ridiculous that is.
tim pool
They do.
seamus coughlin
And they're laughing at us.
tim pool
Look, here's the thing.
When you look at the media channels... Let me do this.
I'm going to do a segment throwback.
I'm going to show you this image.
We're going to drag the Young Turks.
seamus coughlin
No, Tim, I don't want to do that.
luke rudkowski
This is Michael Tracy.
tim pool
He tweeted, LOL, if you are really this obsessed with my tweets, seek help.
And it is TYT Live, AOC's horrifying details of Capitol Riot offend pathetic Michael Tracy.
Who cares about Michael Tracy?
And I mean no disrespect.
I follow him.
I think he's a good journalist.
But he's not a politician who's doing anything.
He's a guy on Twitter.
He's a journalist.
This is ridiculous.
And so the point is, you look at how the media reacts to these stories.
That's what's acceptable.
That's the kind of news that they deem acceptable.
ian crossland
When there's a slow news day, don't try and make news, just focus on the Federal Reserve.
Break it apart.
unidentified
Love it.
seamus coughlin
Some tell me they're not going to do that anytime soon, but man, do I wish.
luke rudkowski
I highly doubt that.
Tucker Carlson actually brought up the Federal Reserve and the larger economic impacts that they're having on society, which is really surprising seeing him say, hey, we should be focusing on the Fed, which was just quite mind-boggling.
seamus coughlin
When did he do this?
Yesterday.
Oh, good for him.
luke rudkowski
But again, other individuals in the mainline establishment media, their lies, they're harmful and they're amplified and they're promoted with rigged algorithms that of course have their insider buddies promoting them so you see them first and you have no other option even if you search for news and even independent news.
There was even a time where you typed in and searched for my news organization, you couldn't find it, you would get articles with the mainstream media bashing me.
So it's just absolutely ridiculous.
But another layer here we need to understand that's critically important is that the big tech social media companies, the technocrats, are really the ones in charge that are pushing a lot of this nonsense, that are controlling the conversation, controlling the narratives.
And this is why issues like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are being brought up.
And then dunking and criticizing and attacking individuals like Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracy, all of them is No, no, no.
unidentified
It does.
luke rudkowski
No, no, no.
coordinated because we have seen attacks on both of on on three of these
individuals in such a way that that really is perplexing because it
absolutely makes no sense
there's no rational sense to attack them from a logical perspective what did they
tim pool
go to jimmy dover you mean from an honest perspective Yes.
Logically, it makes tons of sense.
Michael Tracy, Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore are all rather left-wing individuals.
I don't necessarily think it's fair to say Michael Tracy is left-wing, because I don't think he tweets about supporting left-wing policy.
He's just heterodox.
And Glenn Greenwald actually is fairly progressive, and Jimmy Dore is definitely on the left.
Yeah.
When they challenge the machine in the establishment, it's very difficult.
Listen.
When we saw Donald Trump as president, you had one side hate Donald Trump.
And this is the point I was going to bring up with the Young Turks.
Think about the people who watch the Young Turks and are sitting there going like, oh, Michael Tracy, like he's so dumb, like, whoa, so stupid.
These people are, with all due respect, not What's the right word I want to say without calling them a disparaging term?
There's different tiers of individuals.
There's those that would prefer to listen to some like hardcore, boring... Seven men from Tajikistan were arrested today.
It's like very straightforward news.
Then you get people who will watch this more conversational, but a little higher level.
And you get people who are like, I want to hear about AOC yelling at Michael Tracy.
And so they watch that.
When you're trying to tell people about what's going on, and when you're trying to convince people of policy, but you have half this country that just mindlessly follows along these ridiculous narratives, how do you convince them to make better moves that will help themselves?
It's very, very difficult.
So what happens is, you get people who might begrudgingly vote for Trump.
Why?
Critical race theory is bad.
For instance, James Lindsay is a good example.
He's a left-wing guy.
He challenges the system.
He says, I'm going to vote for Trump because, you know, Trump's better for these reasons.
Joe Biden is the establishment who's going to do everything that the left hates and everything the right hates combined and bring it all together.
You end up with this very difficult scenario.
But in the media, it's really easy to split the left and the right.
You got people who supported Trump.
Well, tell everybody Orange Man is bad.
Most of these people who watch like the Young Turks and just want to hear the drama will believe it.
What happens when you get Wall Street?
When you get Wall Street bets?
seamus coughlin
Oh boy.
tim pool
When you get GameStop?
Well, now all of a sudden these people who have been told over and over again by the likes of the Young Turk that Wall Street bad, well, you can't just change their mind now and say Wall Street good.
So what do they do?
Well, they distract.
They try and shift the focus away.
They bring up AOC.
They want a reality czar to make sure that you're not thinking about the wrong thing.
There was one article in The Nation Where they said that Wall Street bets, like Trumpism and QAnon, you see what they try and do.
When they can't give you a dividing line on Trump because half the country hates Trump, they try and shift the narrative and give you tabloid drama.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's hilarious, though, because I think a lot of people on the left are willing to see this, with this situation.
Now, the media might have screwed themselves here, at least to some extent, because there are a number of people on the left, and you look at, like, Reddit.
Reddit is often pretty left-leaning politically, and so when they see themselves being associated with white supremacists, or with Donald Trump, because they're upsetting people on Wall Street, they might start to think, maybe these terms don't actually mean anything, because this is also something that The vast majority of people who have heard of are very much in favor of.
Like, most people who have seen the Wall Street Bet story, they think it's hilarious.
And so when you start telling them, well, actually the people who are disrupting the stock market and raising the price of the stock for GameStop and hurting this hedge fund are white supremacists, it sort of opens up their eyes and they think, oh, maybe conservatives are telling the truth when they say that word is just thrown around or that phrase is just thrown around and doesn't mean anything.
lydia smith
Well, you start to notice that if they're calling people who are having fun with Wall Street vets white supremacists, they might just be calling anyone that.
unidentified
Exactly.
lydia smith
And that means that maybe you should rethink what you've been thinking about conservatives.
Maybe that's not what they're saying.
Maybe they're not telling you the truth.
seamus coughlin
100%.
And they've overplayed their hand.
And this is what they did with the word racist.
They almost never say racist anymore.
They always say white supremacist.
Because after the 2016 election, they realized that it was not effective anymore.
And so Trump won despite the fact that he was called racist all the time.
So they said, let's switch to a heavier term.
Let's be even more explicit.
Let's call them white supremacists.
And so they started doing that.
And now they're calling Redditors who are buying stock white supremacists.
So they've ruined that term for themselves too.
I don't know what the next one's going to be.
tim pool
We saw Financial Times say that some of these people were alt-right, and then they had to retract that and be like, okay, that's not true.
lydia smith
Too much.
tim pool
Too much!
Now they're just going for it.
Now they're like, okay, look, we need to manipulate people.
And the scary thing is, that's why I mentioned the Young Turks.
That's why I mentioned the Michael Tracy story.
There are people who will just literally believe whatever the media puts out.
That's it.
And they'll follow whatever story the media tells them to follow.
And then you have the grifter lefties on YouTube who'll be like, Slay Queen!
unidentified
Woo!
tim pool
And it's like, weren't you just mad at Wall Street?
Like, without naming this particular individual, you have one guy who's like, Antifa is good, you know?
And they're destroying small businesses and whatever, but it's because they're fighting the machine.
Then 25,000 troops get deployed to DC, and they literally lock down the entire city in a military occupation.
And the same guy who was cheering on Antifa goes, this is a good thing!
I'm in favor of the military lockdown.
I'm like, dude, do you have any real opinions?
You're just supporting whatever it is the right doesn't like.
ian crossland
I think the problem I have with this conversation is that we're like, okay, this fire is burning and destroying things.
And see, I'm scooping fuel into the fire right now.
We're going to scoop some fuel into this fire by talking about it.
tim pool
No, you're wrong.
ian crossland
That's what we're doing right now.
tim pool
We're spraying water on it.
ian crossland
But you're saying, look, having this conversation is scooping fuel in just so you know, because we're becoming the media that's talking about it.
tim pool
You're wrong.
We're spraying water on it right now.
ian crossland
I wholeheartedly disagree.
When we bring this crap up and go talk about this junk, we're propelling it, but we're acknowledging that that is what we're doing.
So when we're showing people this, if you're falling for this and you're talking about it, you're fueling it.
tim pool
So when we literally do a segment saying, don't fall for the tricks of the media and the manipulation and focus on what matters, we're making it worse, you're saying?
ian crossland
Yes, we're like, don't fall for this, and we're doing it.
tim pool
What are we doing?
ian crossland
We're fueling the fire.
tim pool
What fire?
ian crossland
What are you talking about?
The fire of Michael Tracy and media talking crap.
tim pool
We're specifically saying this is the media's manipulation and we're focusing on the New York Times calling for a Biden realities are to manipulate what you can know.
If we don't talk about that and people don't know they're doing it, then they'll get away with it.
We're not talking about AOC.
We're criticizing the Young Turks for doing this.
ian crossland
This is how the fire is fueled.
That's what we're doing right now.
And we're doing it and we're showing them this is how it's done.
tim pool
The fire is when you get left-wing channels like the Young Turks creating content that shifts your focus away from high-level issues like media manipulation and hedge fund manipulation and tells you to pay attention to some dude on Twitter.
What we're doing is we're calling that out a step back and saying, don't let the media manipulate you, so you need to pay attention to Wall Street, you need to pay attention to the head funds, and don't let them divide us.
I'm not going to sit here and rag on AOC because she was scared.
I respect her telling her story.
I understand why she was scared.
I think what she does when she promotes this stuff is bad politically because she's essentially just using Whether she knows it or not, these PR tactics to shift the narrative onto her to build up more, you know, press attention and things like that.
And I fully recognize that we give her attention when we talk about it.
I'm not super worried about that.
My issue is, they want us fighting.
They want us mad at AOC.
They want us yelling at her.
No, I would like her to actually tweet more about Wall Street and hedge funds.
I respected that.
I praise that.
Rashida Tlaib as well.
I don't want them to divide us, and I think it's important that we sit here and say, look what the New York Times is now saying.
Biden should have a reality czar, a task force, to stop disinformation.
But we're calling them out for being the liars.
ian crossland
It makes me think, have you ever read 1984?
It's the Orwell book.
There's a point, yeah, the Ministry of Truth is like this reality czar.
In the book, they have this hour of hate for every day.
They have everybody sits in front of the TV for an hour and just thinks about hate.
And that's like what this stuff is.
They're, you know, they're just trying to drive people to hate.
seamus coughlin
I think it can be.
lydia smith
I would disagree.
I would disagree because I think that what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is doing is very clever and very cynical.
And something that no one has really touched on is the fact that she's talking about cops.
She's rolling it into her own rhetoric.
And she's talking about how the cop made her feel unsafe.
That's a very clever way of bringing your ideas into the conversation and bringing emotion in with it as well.
You were terrified.
It was a cop.
You didn't know if you were gonna be like poor George Floyd or whoever has been most recently assaulted by a policeman.
You keep bringing up constantly.
tim pool
I think it's fair to disagree with AOC, but like I mentioned earlier, she does this Instagram thing and I'm kind of like, okay, that's fine.
I understand her story, okay.
But what's happening now is Rolling Stone, Newsweek, Young Turks, etc.
are putting this into everyone's face.
That's fire.
We are telling you don't get distracted by the drama.
Don't let the manipulation and the low-level, you know, conversations dominate your minds.
So what we're doing now is we're discussing the idea of media manipulation, a ministry of truth realities are.
Because, in my opinion, if they did have a realities are, first of all, that's psychotic.
It's insane.
Horrible.
But their goal would be to make sure we don't talk about these conversations.
We just had Luke calling out the human rights abuses in Yemen.
We're talking about voting for war and these emotionally manipulative tactics.
They don't want us talking about it.
The New York Times, the politicians, they want us distracted.
They want to take a story AOC put out that has no bearing on my life or anyone else's and make it a major news story so we stop talking about hedge funds and Wall Street and the short sellers, which we're talking about now.
That's the point of this segment.
That's the point of doing things like this.
ian crossland
Have you heard that statement, that phrase by Marshall McLuhan?
It says, the medium is the message.
And in that sense, if we How does that make sense?
two hours talking about the problems in the media, we've actually become the problem in the media.
tim pool
How does that make sense?
ian crossland
Because we're stooping to that level.
We're slinging, we're acknowledging the mud, but in order to do that, we have to get in the mud.
So it's good to talk about it and to point it out, but to revel in it is when it becomes an issue.
Like if we spent, we've already spent 40 minutes talking about it.
tim pool
So we have two different issues.
First, we addressed the tabloid drama nonsense and how it distracted.
We shifted into the New York Times wanting to have a reality czar and what that means for the country.
And so the way I see it is, look, you've got a problem.
If you want to put a fire out and save the people from the fire, you gotta run into a burning building.
So we could choose not to talk about any of this and let it fester and grow and get worse.
Or we can use our platform to challenge it and say, this is, this is BS and we have to call it out to address it as a problem.
And then quite literally what we're doing is the solution.
Letting people see and hear our ideas.
And if they agree with us and those ideas propagate.
unidentified
you've changed my mind all there you go
seamus coughlin
you know that i i i have to say that i've never seen that fired up about
anything on the podcast actually really appreciate you have seen that arguments
we've had good time known i guess not enough of them they're out there he got fired up those i i i haven't seen
that for me and immediately to double-edged swords and i had to go i hear
tim pool
you have fair it's it's it look at the double-edged sword right so
i've i've done numerous videos reading on democrats are recognizing that
it's it's it's convenient for the establishment to have the partisan
divide but how do you and this is why i love the game stop story
how are you supposed to point out that it typically is democrats causing the
Don't get me wrong, Republicans to a great degree causing problems as well.
seamus coughlin
Never!
tim pool
There's just slightly more Republicans than Democrats who are doing better, but they're all just so awful, right?
So when you have Donald Trump and his critics are so insane that you're like, this is not legitimate criticism of a president, and you need to call it out.
I get emails from people all the time saying, how do I convince my family members that the media is lying to them?
And I'm like, show them the truth.
And they're like, yeah, but they don't believe it.
They don't want to watch the news.
They don't want, when I send them a link saying, here's the real video of Donald Trump, they say, I'm not watching that.
And now it's really, really simple.
Show them reddit.com and then google search reddit silver and then what you see is on google all of these news stories you know dozens hundreds saying reddit says buy silver and then show them reddit.com do not buy silver it's there the veil has been shattered now we're getting this tabloid drama trying desperately to shift the narrative away to something unfalsifiable This story about AOC and Michael Tracy is a really good example of an excellent manipulation tactic.
There's no right or wrong answer.
It is a tribal agreement or disagreement.
Do you not like AOC?
Do you like AOC?
Therefore, there's no way to look at that story and call it fake news.
They've been able to now attempt this media attack to trick boomers, for the most part, into buying silver when Reddit was saying, don't do it.
When people started to see how they were lying and manipulating, they said, go for an emotionally-driven headline that will dominate the press and manipulate people into reading news that can't be right or wrong.
unidentified
100%.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and that's what's so insidious.
It's the stories that aren't fake, like you said.
This is something that actually happened to us.
He's actually talking about this.
But there is something we're being distracted from.
tim pool
The easiest way, the most important takeaway from the whole thing is the story isn't true or false.
And that's what's important for them.
Get everybody emotionally charged up, demanding their right, but it's impossible because it's an opinion.
Well, I can tell you one thing that's true, or one thing that's false.
Reddit did not say buy silver, and the media did lie when they claimed Reddit did.
That is the red pill.
Like, that is a red pill that you can literally just hand to somebody, and it like dissolves in their skin.
They don't even gotta put it in their mouth.
You just show them these two things, and they're gonna be like, that's insane.
So immediately what happens is they run full speed and smack it out of your hand, because they don't want you to show people what's actually going on.
That's the point of these narratives.
That's why the story was trending on Twitter.
And it's not necessarily because, like, I think anyone conspired to make it happen.
What I think happens, typically, is you've got PR people who look for opportunities to shift the narrative.
I don't think anybody had a meeting and they were like, AOC, can you do a video and do this?
And then we're gonna try and, you know, highlight some individual... What happened was, she told the story, a bunch of special interests who wanted to shift the narrative saw the opportunity and used their PR tactics to do so.
ian crossland
You know, I got a little distracted by Jake Paul fighting Ben Askren.
luke rudkowski
That's going to happen in the next six days.
Off of a sidetrack there, just to add up to your point here, we also have to understand
the mainstream media has been incentivized ever since Donald Trump to understand that
smash smash is good.
It creates more hits, it creates more views, it creates more advertisement revenue for
them.
And when you're building a huge hammer that is just meant to destroy, what are you going to do when Donald Trump, your biggest nail, is gone?
Well, you're going to go after all the other nails.
Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracy, who are supposedly on your side, but they're not going along with the agenda.
They're not going along with the special interest.
They're not going along with, of course, the big money that, of course, want a specific agenda done.
They're the ones that are standing in the way of it, and of course the mainstream media, what are they going to do?
Look at their coverage.
I think it was The Hill that wrote an article today about how Michelle Obama got some garden vegetables from Jill Biden.
Articles like that are not going to sell.
They're not going to get clicks.
No one gives a damn about their propaganda puff piece about glorifying the first ladies of this country.
What's going to get clicks is drama, is fighting smash smash smash and that's exactly what they're
doing and now they're going after anyone that stands in their way
and it's not just going to be Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracy, it's
gonna be anyone. Anyone who even dares to peep in the wrong
direction against the establishment's train and their agenda that
they want to shove down your throat.
tim pool
I think the Young Turks is one of the greatest assets for the establishment because they come off as anti-establishment
but boy do they love and help the establishment. Like when
Jimmy Dore was saying force the vote on Medicare for All, use the leverage
the progressives have against the establishment, you know, corporate
Democrats, the Young Turks went after him.
Insulted him, derided him, and said it's not the time, and defended the establishment while pretending they weren't really defending the establishment.
Saying, oh no, Jimmy Dore's gonna help the Republicans win.
See, Jimmy isn't going with the establishment narrative.
The Young Turks are.
So, surprise, surprise, they do a drama story.
They ran some second about me being ugly, I guess.
I'm like, really impressed with your news coverage here, guys.
seamus coughlin
That's good journalism right there.
tim pool
Listen.
Does it matter?
I'll tell you what matters.
Media manipulation is tricking you into losing focus, and they're taking away from you.
They're taking away your ability to understand the world.
When you see these low-brow conversations about nonsense, you are being hurt.
When you hear things like this, and hopefully they're... I'm assuming most of the people listening already know a lot of this.
They understand.
That's why they're watching this show in the first place.
But there are a lot of people who probably don't.
I am, I am, you know, look, I've brought up the GameStop silver thing so many times, because you cannot, you cannot disprove.
It is the perfect red pill, period.
You could say, oh, they lied about Donald Trump here, and people would be like, oh, you're crazy, you just love Trump.
They hate Trump so much, they won't listen.
You could show them the video ABC did where they manipulated, they zoomed in so you didn't see Shinzo Abe dump the food in, and then they show Trump doing it and claim, look at Trump, he's a moron.
So, you can try and show them the full video of the Charlottesville comments Trump made, the very fine people hoax, but they don't want to believe it.
They hate Trump.
Well, who likes Wall Street?
Nobody.
unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
Drop the red pill.
Give it to people and show them what the media has been doing to them.
lydia smith
So, Tim, when you talk about unfalsifiable, do you think this has to do with the media's shift toward turning opinion into news?
Because I feel like every time you read a news article, it's not actually news.
tim pool
It's all opinion.
unidentified
It's all opinion.
luke rudkowski
All the time.
lydia smith
All unfalsifiable.
tim pool
And they call it an analysis now.
To be fair, what I do is much the same.
You know what I mean?
It's my opinion and my take on things.
lydia smith
Yeah, but do your homework.
tim pool
But I guess it's true, I try and fact check everything, but I guess the main difference is my opinions aren't particularly strong, and I avoid framing devices for the most part.
So, actually, that's probably not fair to say.
I probably frame things the way I do, you know, in a similar way, but I'm just not on anyone's side for the most part.
luke rudkowski
Well, we all have a bias and it's about, you know, being acknowledged, acknowledging that bias.
Like I obviously have some experiences that makes me distrust the state and the government, especially after looking at a lot of history and having some personal experiences, but it's about admitting it.
And being honest with it having a conversation that's actually genuine not scripted trying to push an agenda over the truth so I think that's the biggest difference that we see from you know let's just say us compared to of course Jimmy Kimball who's given a line about Russia being involved somehow in this red scandal and just.
Blanket and Lee soullessly reading it to the American ... viewer like it's truth when we know it's just scripted ... there's a lot of big money behind it and there's also a ... huge agenda behind it that doesn't serve the American ... people is does the exact opposite of that it screws them over.
tim pool
Let's talk about Joe Biden.
Let's now.
I got hairy legs.
Yes, he does.
Yes, you do, Joe.
And what does he say?
His hair shines?
unidentified
It shines when you rub your hand down it.
seamus coughlin
I am going to have so much fun over the next four years.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm really sad.
And I discussed this right after the election.
I'm horribly sad because millions more unborn children will likely die than would have otherwise, and thousands more people in the Middle East.
This is going to be a horrible, horrible presidency.
So I'm not happy about it, but he's certainly an interesting target to go after.
And I think he sort of exposes a lot of the problems with the system when you look at the fact that the dominant media culture was worshipping this man.
That's also sort of a red pill moment because a lot of progressives don't like him.
They feel Bernie Sanders was robbed.
And, uh, they don't like Kamala Harris.
Yeah, for sure.
And when you look at Kamala Harris too, they don't like her either.
And so it's getting to the point where the people they prop up and make into idols are so universally disliked that that in and of itself is red-pilling the public.
ian crossland
Yeah, I've got a sense of relief right now that Trump's not in office because of the drama and distractions that he would cause with news articles.
And now it's gone.
There's nothing else to look at.
So we're looking at GameStop.
We're looking at the economy.
tim pool
But they're trying to shift it back.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
They want the drama back.
ian crossland
But still, it's like 10% of what it was three weeks ago.
Like, I haven't had to look at Trump's face in like three... I see his face every couple days.
Someone will message me a picture of Trump.
I'm like, dude, that guy is not relevant right now.
He really never was.
He was the president, but he's not who he should be.
tim pool
He was pretty relevant.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's relevant.
ian crossland
The system is the relevancy, and the people that are in these positions are coming and going.
It's that economy, that messed up economy.
tim pool
Look, look, look.
I would say, you know, with Trump's tweets, it really made sure the spotlight was always on Trump.
And it was bad for him in a lot of ways.
Like, sometimes it was like, there were a few things if he just didn't tweet, he would have, you know... If he was banned sooner, he might have gotten re-elected.
Yeah, no joke, no joke.
Because he kind of hurt himself in some of these major stories with the things he was tweeting about, you know, and just generating more news.
If Trump didn't say anything and went radio silent for a month, the media would have starved to death.
Like a parasite, just like, you know, no longer, like a leech falling off and then just like, withering away.
seamus coughlin
But he kept them fed, man.
CNN's ratings dropped 44% the week that Trump left office.
lydia smith
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
They were just the Trump network.
lydia smith
Yep.
seamus coughlin
That was it.
That's all they talked about.
And they weren't doing well before he came along either.
It's not as if they've been doing great and then Trump left office and now they're down.
It's like they were doing horribly, then Trump was elected, and then they were doing pretty well, and now he's gone and they've got nothing.
tim pool
Look at this story.
This is from Variety.
Is that what you were citing?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
CNN primetime ratings fall back to earth in first post-Trump week.
seamus coughlin
Back to earth, huh?
tim pool
It's over!
You know, look, I obviously, I voted for Donald Trump and would have preferred him greatly to Joe Biden, but there is a bit of me that's relieved that without Trump, listen, A good analogy is that Trump was a very large man that provided the life force for the energy vampires that were the mainstream media.
Just sucking all of that energy.
It's near infinite.
Donald Trump's dragon energy sustained the media for years.
They were collapsing before Trump.
The CEO of Vice said there was going to be a bloodbath in digital media.
And it didn't happen.
The layoffs reversed because Donald Trump came along and he just exuded media energy.
And they all started like little gremlins crawling towards it and then absorbing the energy.
And now Trump is gone and they're all like hissing and chasing after people.
It's kind of like when the people, you know, the COVID lockdown in New York and the rats came out of the ground and started chasing people because they're desperate and hungry and they're fighting squirrels and stuff.
It's happening now.
The president of CNN is apparently looking at other jobs.
Jim Acosta, he was transferred out of the White House and they're putting in that other woman.
It's over.
It's done.
ian crossland
His behavior on Twitter created an entire genre of jobs.
The Trump reply guy.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
What are they doing now?
What are the Trump reply guys going to do?
tim pool
Donald Trump gave us a gift.
You know what he did?
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
It's kind of like the media are these energy vampires that look for insane drama to manipulate.
And they're like lurking in the shadows, jumping out and writing fake news.
And they were smearing people like Jordan Peterson in that famous interview.
So what you're saying is, and it went viral because people are like, this is nuts, but the vampires were leeching off of people.
Donald Trump stepped in Oh, yeah.
And like Goku going Super Saiyan went, ah, and then energy burst off of his body and
drew all of the attention to himself.
Now these people have forgotten how to sustain themselves.
The media outlets built, as you mentioned, a genre or there's a reply guy, but the media
also created a genre reporting on Trump because of that.
A lot of people shifted their normal beat.
A lot of news organizations fired certain journalists that covered real news and hired people just to cover Trump.
Then, when Trump ascended and vanished from sight, all of these people are left just desperate and hungry, and they don't know how to feed anymore.
Now we're going to see a glorious collapse, starting with CNN, whose ratings have fallen back to earth, they say.
luke rudkowski
Back to earth.
Well, Tim, that's your understanding of it.
For me, it was Trump just taking dumps and these rats eating it.
And now Trump's not taking any more dumps?
I think Ian would agree with that one.
And now the rats are going hungry and they're gonna start eating their own very soon.
tim pool
It was Donald Trump taking a dump and then the flies landing on us.
seamus coughlin
Have we consulted with the truth czar on this?
tim pool
this look at this they say uh... while january twenty one will
twenty twenty one will go down in the ratings record books for cnn
the last week of the month may offer a portent of what the post-trump era will
be like for the network In the first week of the Biden administration, the AT&T-owned news channel saw audiences that had been flooding into primetime recently drop precipitously.
from January 25th to 29th compared with the highs of the previous weeks.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, rival Fox News Channel saw its own ratings only dip slightly
after weeks of registering its own sharp declines. I wonder how MSNBC did.
Another network, they mentioned MSNBC, has also seen significant declines but
nowhere near as steep as what has hit CNN.
Variety intelligence platform analysis of the viewership data across two key
metrics, the target news demographic for people ages 25 to 54,
and the total audience watching shows that CNN ended the final week of January
with ratings dropping roughly 44 percent for total audience versus the prior week.
Oh Oh man, look at that.
That is massive.
Fox News dropped only 4.4% and at 9pm 5.98%.
Now Fox News at 8pm actually, it looks like they increased.
They're the only ones who actually went up.
lydia smith
That's Tucker.
tim pool
8pm.
There you go, that's Tucker.
Exactly.
So we can see MSNBC is in massive decline, CNN is in massive decline because their ratings
were artificial.
It was a new genre, the Trump story, 24-7.
They turned The Apprentice into politics.
Exactly.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
Yeah.
Now that he's gone, all these- They're fired.
Yeah, exactly.
You guys ever see the movie Daybreakers?
I've quoted- I've mentioned this before too.
It's where everybody's basically turned into a vampire and there's very few humans left.
So the vampires have nothing to feed on.
And they all start fighting each other and turning into these horrible monsters.
There's a scene where there's a vampire and he's at a coffee stand.
And they put blood in the coffee, because you know, they're vampires.
And then she puts in a little bit and he goes, give me more blood.
And then she's like, I can't.
And he's like, give me more!
And then he attacks her.
That's what's happening with the media.
That's what's gonna happen next.
I've talked about it before.
If you thought the fake news was bad back then, wait until they're starved and hungry.
It's like, you know, you got a vampire, right?
He feeds when he feels like it.
But now, he hasn't fed in weeks.
He's gonna jump out of the shadows and latch onto anything and anyone.
Or a better analogy, I guess, is the rats in New York City.
Once the tourists are gone, the rats started coming out in packs and hunting squirrels and other random animals.
There's apparently like a video where like a pigeon and a rat were fighting because they're starving to death.
That's what's gonna happen to the news media.
So they're gonna write crazy things.
Like, just you wait and they start writing this crazy, crazy stuff.
seamus coughlin
It's gonna get more and more insane.
tim pool
They're still writing about Donald Trump!
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I know.
They're still writing about Trump.
We were just talking about it.
They blame Wall Street bets on Trumpism.
tim pool
Trumpism!
seamus coughlin
They're trying.
It is Trumpism.
That's what they're going to keep referring to now that he's gone.
luke rudkowski
They sure missed that Trump crap.
I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.
seamus coughlin
They got addicted.
They got addicted.
luke rudkowski
I remember even before Donald Trump became president, there was a lot of discussion about the mainstream media dying.
But also there was a lot of conversation about it not just dying and going away, but it going more into the hands of Wall Street firms, which a lot of them are invested into the mainstream media, and also other billionaires.
So today we got the news that the Amazon CEO, Jeff Bezos, is stepping down.
And he's not really quitting or retiring.
He's just going to be refocusing Things like his satellite company things like his ... contracts with the US government but most ... importantly what I found surprising is he's going to be ... focusing on the Washington Post which essentially has ... been acting like his mouthpiece the mouthpiece of ... the billionaire class especially with all the crazy ... articles that we've been seeing from them I mean they ... call people who believe in guns white supremacist they ... call the the the Wall Street bets people what did they say ... that that that the hedge funds guys are the good guys ...
Every single talking point is like some kind of pompous elite douche-tard.
Family, friends, can I say?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Definitely.
lydia smith
Douche-flute!
luke rudkowski
Douche-flute!
That's having his pinky and lecturing you about how better and more important they are than you.
So when we look at the Washington Post, I think the mainstream media model is going to go more towards them.
More bastardized, more controlled by special interests.
It already is on such a massive level, it's only going We're going to get worse from here.
tim pool
The Washington Post is the outlet that ran the article saying the hedge funds are the good guys.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yes.
The little guy.
So what's really interesting is with the story of Wall Street bets is that I was reading, and fact check me on this one, but I was reading posts where they said because of the short sellers, GameStop struggled to have a quorum in their investors meeting because the people who were investing weren't showing up.
There were no people because they weren't legitimate investors.
and that was bankrupting the company was causing very serious problems
they'd have the shareholders meetings to talk about how the company pulls through
and they survive so they're effectively betting to destroy these companies and literally strangling
them out that's when we see the Washington Post
that's one of the good guys yeah Not those that are challenging that machine.
And that's Bezos.
And you're saying he's now going to go focus on the Washington Post?
luke rudkowski
Well, there was already a trend before.
Yeah, that's one of the things.
As he's stepping down from Amazon, he's going to be refocusing his efforts on one of them is going to be the Washington Post.
But even before Donald Trump, there was a lot of conversations about Wall Street getting involved in mainstream media and killing Any form of investigative journalism because it wasn't as profitable as, of course, it was the sensational, celebritard nonsense that they push on us, and that's essentially what they've become.
tim pool
My friends, I am going to give you a very clippable moment.
I think YouTube can do it, but here's the clip.
Luke, you mentioned that Wall Street was destroying investigative journalism.
Sir, you are correct, and I'll break it down for you.
It's very simple.
If you go to an investor and say, I would like to start a media outlet that does investigative journalism, the investor says, okay, how much money do you need?
And they say, for the first year, we're looking at $500,000 to hire a small team of journalists and producers to research these stories and produce the content.
Wonderful.
Excellent.
What can I expect on my return?
Well, we don't know for sure because we have to do the investigation.
The investor then says, so you mean to tell me I can give you the money and I might get zero dollars back?
I might just lose 100% of my investment because you don't even know what's going to happen with your investigations?
That's correct, sir.
Why would I invest in that?
Meanwhile, another dude walks up and goes, yo, I'm going to write about Ocasio-Cortez and Michael Tracy.
It's going to cost me $50 to hire some 23-year-old.
Give me $5,000, I'll turn it into $50,000 overnight.
luke rudkowski
Or an intern for free.
tim pool
Well, you can't do that anymore.
They can't do core functions.
I literally experienced this at these news outlets, these digital platforms.
I was there, and it was very, very simple.
I would like to do an investigation.
I need a hundred grand to do it.
No way are we going to do that.
Because I can get some 23-year-old at minimum wage to write about Ocasio-Cortez and Michael Tracy, and that's going to get me a million views and make me some real money.
So why would I invest in investigative journalism?
And that's the most important journalism we need.
People seeking out the corruption, exposing the corruption, and it's dangerous You could get killed.
You could have your life destroyed.
You could be framed for crimes.
They will do everything to destroy you if you truly were seeking to expose them.
Look how hard they go after Project Veritas.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's also a lot of liability.
I mean, me and you did investigative journalism.
A lot of times we put our lives on the line to do so.
A lot of times there's, you know, insurance companies involved in this and there's a lot of risk that You're going to have to be responsible for as a company.
So that's another reason why we are seeing the decline of any form of investigations and this new form of reactionary kind of bullcrap that is being incentivized.
And again, it could be because of the risk, it could be what you mentioned, but also another factor here, as I've been talking about, is the algorithms that promote the sensationalist garbage that, of course, give them money, give them clicks, give them ad revenue as well.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so what do you guys think the solution is?
tim pool
Um, giant meteor?
Just, you know, a comet ripping through the earth?
I gotta be honest, the problems would all be gone!
seamus coughlin
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
We inspire people to subsidize investigative journalism.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, of course, but the question is, like, how do we do that?
How do we get people interested in paying for that?
ian crossland
Tim's doing it.
tim pool
That's what Subverse is.
Well, first, I'll say that the problem is, when politics was hyper-partisan, because some people just hated Trump so much they wanted an outlet to watch and just revel in their hatred, And then you had people who loved Trump and hated the other side.
The culture war was in full swing.
Now we're going to see how the evolution takes place with Biden and the establishment in control.
It might open up the door for more reasonable investigative reporting.
But the outlets that did investigative reporting were almost entirely progressive.
And so then the stories they would investigate were almost exclusively framed anti-Trump, negative towards the right.
And it wasn't, in my opinion, getting to the core of our problems.
It would be like Donald Trump's got a golden toilet and we secretly got recording of him making his maid clean it or something.
And it's like I get it you don't like Trump. They did a ton of stories where they were good investigations
But kind of just over the top and just not the most important thing in the world like war for instance
But yeah, there were there were stories that you know journalists who do and have done great jobs covering
war and foreign policy the problem was People didn't want it
Even the investigative outlets that existed, that were non-profit, didn't want it.
So the issue now is, if we have non-profit investigative outlets, they're mission-driven.
They're non-profit, so what's their mission?
You can look at Project Veritas.
I think it's fair to say they're conservative.
That's the easiest way to explain.
ian crossland
No.
They're just really radical.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
I think it's fair to say that James O'Keefe is a conservative.
But the outlet itself targets powerful institutions and seeks out corruption.
So when they go after Google, I love this criticism of Veritas.
They say they're conservatives who target left-wing organizations to make them look bad.
When I heard that the first time, I was like, so when they did the story on Google, Google's a left-wing institution?
No, no, wait, wait, wait, we don't mean that, we don't mean that.
Ah, you gotcha.
So, look, I'm a fan of Veritas.
I'm pointing out that even Veritas has their perspective and they have certain issues they think are more important they will cover.
So the issue is, I suppose, I don't think you're gonna make money on investigative journalism for the most part.
I think you can create maybe a subscription model and then have the content sustained that way, but it's probably gonna rely on people who want to support it Yeah, the purpose of it was never to make money.
ian crossland
It was to expose corruption and do, you know, make and better society.
tim pool
It was always marketing.
This is what I... No, this is true.
ian crossland
The goal... Not real investigation.
tim pool
Yes, it was.
ian crossland
You're usually doing it for a purpose.
tim pool
News organizations would have investigative journalism because they know a sensational story on the cover would generate positive press attention for their paper.
So, back in the day, if you did a story that was like, breaking, big company is corrupt, and they put it on the front page, they would sell the most papers, and that would boost their, hey look, our circulation's huge, you gotta pay more for ads now, and we're getting the circulation prices.
Today, the easiest way to get traffic is not going to be a big groundbreaking story, Woodward and Bernstein or whatever, it's going to be AOC, Smackdown, Michael Tracy, what?
unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
Clap back, snap back.
Oh, a million views.
luke rudkowski
Well, even if you did do some incredible investigative journalism and you're just starting off, no one will see it because the algorithms wouldn't promote it.
No matter how good it is, people who start off as if they're not with CNN, if they're not with the establishment, if they don't have any big money, not even just money, but if they don't have any connections to Google, no one's going to see their stories.
Let's just be honest here.
tim pool
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And that's horrible.
And that's the system that YouTube is building and needs to fix and correct immediately.
No, no, no.
tim pool
You say fix.
This is exactly the intended consequence.
So we had, there was one journalist, I don't remember who this was, but it was...
I forgot his last name.
I don't know how to pronounce his last name.
You know that Jordan guy?
Is it Chiron?
lydia smith
I don't know how to pronounce his last name.
tim pool
I don't remember what his last name is.
lydia smith
I know lots of Jordans.
tim pool
I don't follow him all that much, but he was tweeting about someone who covered the Capitol riots had their video taken down.
Oh, Ford Fisher?
No.
Ford Fisher was also impacted by this.
lydia smith
Yeah, his last name's Schachtel.
S-C-H-S-C-H-A-T-E-L.
tim pool
No, you're talking about somebody else.
The point is there were a couple lefties who were pointing out that hard coverage, legitimate journalism from the Capitol, was deleted by YouTube.
And then you have Ford Fisher, who's more of a libertarian, had his coverage deleted by YouTube.
YouTube is anti-journalism.
So when we were doing Subverse stuff, YouTube has just demonetized and deranged and knocked all that stuff down.
It's not Scanner.
And we're, you know, for those that are following and are, you know, we're still working on Scanner and we've got some stuff to work through.
We'll get to that.
Long story short, I'm hoping to subsidize legitimate on-the-ground reporting and investigative journalism.
It's just very hard to do in this day and age.
One of the big issues as well is that many investigative reporters don't want to work for anybody.
They're just like, I'll do it on my own.
It's like a Patreon.
And then the reach is dramatically limited.
ian crossland
I think interesting phenomenon when it came to Subverse and when it comes to it seems like the people that invest because it was like a crowdfunded investment raised like a million dollars and it was but the people I don't think I can only really speak for myself.
I also invested in it or tried to before they got close the investment round got closed didn't invest to see a return on their money.
They invested because they believed in the movement.
tim pool
Which is why most, I think, non-investigative outlets are non-profit.
It's easier just to take donations to do it.
So, it's not an easy problem to solve, man.
The current internet ecosystem greatly supports snapback, clapback, tabloid drama over legitimate, exposing... Listen, man.
You gotta, you ask some young person.
There's no culture, there's no unity, and there's no passion.
Why should any Gen Z-er coming up right now, going to school, want to risk their lives exposing the corrupt?
It's gonna destroy their lives.
Look at that dude, was his name Gary Webb?
Remember that?
Do you know the story?
ian crossland
Yeah, I just saw a video of him yesterday.
luke rudkowski
Oh yeah, that's a very, very important story.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
What happened?
He was trying to expose, what was it, the CIA?
luke rudkowski
Well, the drug trade specifically organized by the CIA that was also arming rebels in Latin America for the overthrow of the government, specifically the Contras in Nicaragua, and he exposed through talking to individuals like freeway Ricky Ross, not the rapper, the original real freeway Ricky Ross, I actually talked to him and interviewed him on my channel on We Are Change, who exposed essentially how it was the CIA that introduced him to crack cocaine and pushed crack cocaine into the United States.
tim pool
And can I read?
I gotta read this.
This is from Wikipedia.
You don't gotta like Wikipedia.
I'm just gonna read a sentence.
Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10th, 2004 with two gunshot wounds to the head.
luke rudkowski
Shotgun wounds.
tim pool
His death was ruled a suicide by the Sacramento County Coroner's Office.
After a local papal reported that he had died from multiple gunshots, the coroner's office received so many calls asking about Webb's death that Sacramento County Coroner Robert Lyons issued a statement confirming that Webb had died by suicide.
When asked by local reporters about the possibility of two gunshots being a suicide, Lyons replied,
it's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots, but it has been done in the past,
and it is in fact a distinct possibility. News coverage noted that there were widespread
rumors on the internet at the time that Webb had been killed as retribution for his Dark
Alliance series, published eight years before.
Webb's ex-wife Susan Bell told reporters that she believed Webb had died by suicide.
The way he was acting it would be hard for me to believe it was anything but suicide, she said.
According to Bell, Webb had been unhappy for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper.
He had sold his house the week before his death because he was unable to afford the mortgage.
After Webb's death, a collection of his stories, before and after the Dark Alliance series were published, etc.
etc.
luke rudkowski
There was even a movie surrounding his life.
tim pool
It's possible that he shot himself in such a way that it wasn't lethal, but most people read that and go, like, they're even telling us on Wikipedia that people are like, what?
What do you mean?
luke rudkowski
Kill the Messenger was, I think, the movie that documented his life.
I remember reading his book The Dark Alliance when I was in in high school and being absolutely flabbergasted at the connections that he was able to investigate to look into and expose with evidence with proof the US government literally financing not only death squads in Latin America and and financing revolutions and and meddling in other people's elections but More importantly bringing crack cocaine into the United ... States and introducing it into urban dense communities ... which of course led to individuals like Joe Biden and ... the Clintons passing very strict legislation that threw ... a lot of people in jail for victimless crimes like using ... narcotics and again just just the weaponization and how ... crack cocaine was used to destroy.
Modern America those implications when we talk about you know racism and race issues why does anyone know anyone want to bring up these issues why are we having huge conversations about any liability for all those people involved any consequences for all those people involved that destroyed so many lives and communities for what it's absolutely sickening I mean his book The Dark Alliance I definitely recommend it and Later on in life, he did complain because no one wanted to hire him because he exposed the CIA.
And when you expose the CIA, I mean, Chuck Schumer says, you know, they haven't wasted a Sunday.
tim pool
Let's talk about Michael Hastings.
Do you guys know the story of Michael Hastings?
He was investigating some very, very powerful people.
Long story short, but I can pull it up and read it for you.
seamus coughlin
Sam, are you gonna get a shot?
tim pool
Am I gonna get a shot?
seamus coughlin
Are we talking about this?
tim pool
No, but I think I'll get banned.
That's why I keep telling everybody, like, we're setting up a website because we are cutting through the BS and people want to know about investigative journalism.
They want to know why it's not happening.
I'll tell you.
First, you get stories like Gary Webb.
Suicide by two gunshots to the head.
And they're like, trust us, that's what happened.
And the journalists are like, yo, we got an issue with that story.
Then you get this story about Michael Hastings and this is only, uh, this is now just about seven and a half or so years ago.
Controversy over alleged foul play.
Michael Hastings was a journalist, and he died in a fiery car wreck in, uh, I believe it was Los Angeles.
seamus coughlin
That's right!
This was in, like, what, 2013?
unidentified
2013.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I remember that.
luke rudkowski
Wasn't Joe Biggs his friend?
tim pool
Well, let me just read this for you.
They say the day before the crash, Hastings indicated that he believed he was being investigated by the FBI in an email to colleagues which was copied to and released by Hastings' friend, Army Staff Sergeant Joe Biggs.
Hastings said that he was onto a big story that he needed to go off the radar and that the FBI might interview him.
WikiLeaks announced that Hastings had also contacted Jennifer Robinson, one of his lawyers, a few hours prior to his death.
And the LA Weekly reported that he was preparing new reports on the...
The FBI released a statement denying that Hastings was ever under investigation by the agency, etc, etc.
But I want to give you the gist of the story.
He goes to his neighbor and he says, I need to borrow your car.
Because the other night I saw someone fiddling around with my car and his neighbor was like, wait, that's crazy.
No, you can't use my car.
Then his car was seen speeding down the road at maximum speed, sparks and flames shooting out, and then crashed into a tree just at the time he was saying he was going to be reporting on the CIA and was contacting WikiLeaks.
And I guess we'll never know.
ian crossland
Are you sure there were sparks and flames?
tim pool
That's what the report said.
unidentified
Wow.
luke rudkowski
That's what the report said.
There's video, there's like a short clip of showing the actual, you know, car moving before it, you know, It crashed and it killed him.
ian crossland
There's a guy named Kevin Shipp.
He used to work for the CIA.
Are you familiar with his work at all, Luke?
luke rudkowski
No.
ian crossland
You're gonna love this guy.
He left the CIA to expose them.
Wrote a book called From the Shadows about the shadow government and the deep state and the difference between the two.
And he talks very clearly about how the CIA will and tried to do to him.
First, destroy your economic ability to get a job.
Then go after your family to freak you out.
Then eventually they'll try and kill you.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so maybe we should change subjects.
unidentified
my my my come on girl girl pay
the cartoon guys are like I just wanna make 20 bucks you're in it, you're on the list now
seamus coughlin
no no I'm kidding it's true I've been on the list
my big red pill with the CIA well first of all the past 4 years of just seeing the
intelligence community trying to unseat a democratically elected president
with absolutely no evidence was enough of a red pill But one thing I'm going to tell all the people at home that blew my mind the first time I did it, and I'm not even going to describe it, but just Google Operation Northwoods if you haven't already.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
seamus coughlin
Just Google that.
I'm not even going to tell you what it is.
luke rudkowski
That was the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
But the Intercept, what you were talking about, I kind of want to add on.
The Intercept actually wrote an article a few years ago in 2014 that was titled, How the CIA Watched Over the Destruction of Gary Webb.
So there's a lot of other involvement, there's a lot of other underhanded things that we don't know of that should be exposed, should be talked about no matter what the consequences, because the truth here matters.
But there's also other media institutions like the Washington Post, which I have to point out, do have a lot of connections to the CIA, that wrote an article saying, quote, Gary Webb was no journalism hero.
Despite what Kill the Messenger says.
Kill the Messenger was in the movie.
tim pool
Ian, I gotta address something Ian just said about how they go after your family.
What I was told by some other journalists is that the first thing they do is bribe.
It's simple.
It's simple.
Hey, would you like to help us out, man?
You know, we all love this country.
seamus coughlin
Maybe we should keep talking about this.
tim pool
Well, so they come to you and they make a very... Well, actually, it's not... The first thing isn't cash.
The first thing is, will you agree to work with us?
And a lot of journalists say, yes, immediately.
We'll send you stories.
You publish them.
It'll be great.
It'll help the country out.
And they say, you got it.
Because these journalists are like, oh, I'm going to get these juicy sources.
These intelligence people are going to be feeding me the big news.
And then I'll make a name for myself.
You say no.
You say, I'm not here to serve the interests of the intelligence agencies.
I am a journalist.
And they go, OK.
Shortly after, they'll be like, we want you to work for us.
We can compensate you.
The next incentive is money.
And if you say, I'm not driven by money.
You can't control me.
I'm going to report the facts.
The next thing that comes is the threats.
What would happen to your family?
What do you think's gonna happen if you do this?
Powerful people are gonna be mad at you.
Then you start getting signs that they will come for you, they will threaten your family, they will hurt your family.
And then lastly, they come for you.
Accuse you of crimes, smear you, or ultimately kill you.
I'm not saying that's true.
I'm saying, I've had journalists explain this to me around this time, you know, in 2012, 2013, with like a lot of the big hacker stuff that was going on, a lot of the journalists that I knew and hung out with were like, this is typically what you'll see.
And so you'll end up with someone like perhaps Michael Hastings saying the FBI has been investigating him, perhaps because he had already, you know, they knew they couldn't turn him, they couldn't convince him, he wouldn't work with them, and he was going to expose these big stories.
To be fair, I'm not trying to, you know, I know it's a sore subject for a lot of people.
His family says that they essentially discount these narratives, these conspiracy theories.
The point is, when you're an investigative journalist, And you are staring down at the CIA and the FBI, powerful U.S., massively funded interests that don't want to have bumps in the road?
They're not gonna let you do it, man.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Now, most journalists don't do any reporting that really bothers them, like 99.9.
But eventually you get someone who gets leaked some real information, and what do they gotta do?
They flee to Hong Kong or Russia before that information gets leaked to, say, WikiLeaks or Glenn Greenwald.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and there's also the big information that Udo Ufkete, I'm saying it wrong, he's a German journalist that worked for Der Spiegel, that released and talked about how essentially, you know, intelligence agencies were writing entire articles that he just had to put his name behind.
And, you know, there's a large number of these individuals that, of course, we need to remind people of.
There are heroes out there that do deserve to be commended, that do deserve to be talked about, and do deserve to be remembered since, of course, you know, having these conversations is something that is more imperative than ever, especially right now.
ian crossland
I have mixed feelings about the CIA.
In a way, I value it because we have secret spy agencies.
Maybe you need them.
I don't know.
It didn't exist before 1945.
It's not all bad.
tim pool
It's not.
Nothing's absolute.
I guess if you like living in America and you like the interests that we have in this country, like if you like the ability to go and buy a pizza and live comfortably and stuff, you have to, you know, recognize that there are things being done essentially in your name that you probably would never agree with and would not vote for.
They do horrifying things, and the justification is you don't know about it.
And you get to live comfortably and beautifully in the United States.
Look, they want to build the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.
A big reason for this big conflict with Russia and Syria is to get cheap gas into Europe so that people in Europe can live better and more cheaply.
Most people in Europe would probably be like, I want cheaper gas!
And they do!
There was rioting in France over expensive gas.
So, intelligence agencies and contractors, real nasty people doing real nasty stuff, are doing real nasty things so that you can get your cheaper gas.
And I try talking to a lot of activists about this.
I'm like, you have so many people who love living in luxury.
And that's why I think it's really important that people get out away from the big cities, learn to support themselves, take responsibility, maybe chop some wood, learn how to hunt, handle a firearm, be responsible for yourself.
Because if you want to sit here and complain about warfare and slavery and stuff in countries like China with Foxconn labs, you've got to recognize that you are reaping the benefits of war and slavery.
And if you don't want to acknowledge that, then fine.
That's on you.
For me, I fully understand.
That's what this world is made of and what's going on.
And I oppose it in a lot of ways.
And I do think we should get back to being more self-sustainable and self-reliant.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I would argue about the gas prices, because it's not as simple as just gas prices.
I mean, as John Perkins exposed with The Economic Hitman, it's far more than that.
It's interest, it's a lot of powers that want more of it, and they're going to get their way one way or another.
And the only way they're able to is because people stay silent.
It's because people are afraid.
It's because people don't want to talk about these larger issues, but if we did, it would expose their game, which is essentially rigged, which more and more people are finding out.
So I think it's more imperative to have these honest, real conversations, and I'm very happy to be a part of this one, because I think it's absolutely needed.
tim pool
This is why nobody wants to be a real journalist anymore.
Look, back in the day, you had those names, Woodward and Bernstein.
Now, they're kind of, you know, I guess, off the rails.
Is it Bernstein who keeps saying... Everything's worse than Watergate.
Yeah, everything's worse than Watergate.
It used to be that if you were a journalist and you exposed something, you were protected.
Because they were like, we can't go after this person because they're a famous and respected journalist.
That was a long time ago.
Now, they'll just make up some insane story and call you a Nazi.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you're white supremacist, you're a Russian asset.
tim pool
Yeah, boom.
Boom, done.
There you go.
So, if you're not gonna go down in history for doing a good thing, if no one will like you and then you will die by suicide with two gunshots to the head, what incentive is there for anyone to actually do investigations?
None?
You're not going to make money doing it, and everyone will hate you.
Because they will smear and they will destroy you.
Look, before they... So, I was reading about... Well, I don't want to get too conspiratorial, but look at Julian Assange.
How the media lied.
About Julian Assange over and over and over again.
Just everything they put out about the guy was smears and lies.
A kissing of things he never did.
They destroyed his character.
And then they turned the left against him.
Amazing how it used to be the left that loved WikiLeaks.
Now it's the left that hates WikiLeaks.
It's amazing.
luke rudkowski
And Donald Trump loved WikiLeaks too, and then he oddly forgot who Julian Assange was.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's really sad.
luke rudkowski
He was asked about it point blank.
I don't know who Julian Assange is.
I mean, are you kidding me?
tim pool
I love WikiLeaks!
seamus coughlin
I gotta ask you guys, were you disappointed by that or did you expect it, that he wouldn't pardon him?
tim pool
I don't know.
I was 50-50.
I was like, I wonder if he might do it.
luke rudkowski
I knew he was not going to do it, and I was still very disappointed that he didn't.
seamus coughlin
So what tipped you off?
What made you think, like, there's no way he's going to do this?
luke rudkowski
Well, his treatment of whistleblowers hasn't been that good.
I mean, his statements on Chelsea Manning, his statements on Julian Assange acting like he didn't even know who he was.
was a very telling sign, as well as the people around him.
I mean, we heard rumors that it was a lot of people, especially Jared Kushner, being one of the major people who was against giving any kind of freedom towards Julian Assange, along with other special interests that pushed for this.
And, you know, those voices were very prominent.
And I think those voices, Donald Trump heard and listened to and sadly disappointed a lot of his base that was expecting this to happen.
tim pool
Yeah, very exciting.
an opportunity for on the way out to just like really smack it to the machine.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But he wants to run again.
Yeah.
And so what we're seeing now is.
Really?
Yeah.
Well, with his impeachment.
So first, there's a video of him where he goes, we're trying really hard.
This is like during it's like in December.
He's like, we're trying really hard to win, to stay in.
But if we don't, we'll see in 2024.
So what's happening now is they're impeaching him, right?
He's filed his rebuttal to the impeachment saying, I'm not in office.
You can't impeach me.
The Constitution specifically says that they can be impeached, they can be removed from office, or like impeachment serves the purpose of removing them from office.
He says, well, if I can't be removed from office because I'm not in office, you can't impeach me, right?
So then he's arguing, it says the purpose of impeachment is to remove them from office and prevent them from holding office in the future.
Trump says, well, as I can't be impeached, I can still run for office in the future.
And you have no jurisdiction to try a private citizen before he's in public office, before he's run or whatever, or while he's not in office.
Trump is basically saying he wants to run.
And the purpose of impeachment is to stop him from being able to be president again.
unidentified
Drew Holden said that Jeff Bezos wants to run.
ian crossland
He said he's running, and I don't know if that means running away from Amazon or running for office.
seamus coughlin
Zuckerberg-Bezos.
Oprah, no.
tim pool
Zuckerberg-Bezos.
unidentified
No, no, no.
Bezos-Oprah.
tim pool
I want to vote for a Zuckerberg-Bezos ticket.
I'm totally not serious.
ian crossland
Would you vote for Bezos over Kamala Harris?
seamus coughlin
Oh, does it have to be Kamala versus Bezos?
ian crossland
I think it's gonna be Kamala.
tim pool
I think it'd be Bezos.
Was he running as a Republican?
No way.
No way.
He can't run as a Republican.
ian crossland
Oh, that's tough.
seamus coughlin
I mean, I could never vote for Kamala.
Here's the thing.
I know, I know I cannot vote for Kamala.
And I would not want to vote for Bezos.
I'd have to see his policies.
I assume I just could not vote for either, but I don't know.
tim pool
What about Zuckerberg?
seamus coughlin
Zuckerberg?
I don't know.
Because he's also, they're both, Zuckerberg is also on the left.
So what would that really do for me?
They're both going to be pro-choice and I can't vote pro-choice.
What does that leave me with?
Actually, I don't know where Bezos stands on that.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure the next Republican that we get who runs is going to be pro-choice.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Super liberal.
seamus coughlin
Just remove any racist folks.
luke rudkowski
If they don't take down Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz really looks like he's going to be one of the kind of favorites to be on the Republican ticket.
I don't know if Ted Cruz could be president.
Same with Rubio.
I mean, same with Rand.
I think those three are definitely the people that are going to be looked at in 2024.
And Donald Trump's getting up there as far as age, and I don't think he's going to do it.
I think if we know anything about Donald Trump, he's all talk.
He's all bark, no bite.
And I think he's doing that to try to save face now.
And I think he keeps doing that.
I mean, you read his book, The Art of the Deal, a lot of it is just, you know, PR to the max and just using information as a way to get as much support as you can to get what you can.
And that's essentially his presidency.
seamus coughlin
So do you think they'll let Ted Cruz run after he attempted to murder AOC?
tim pool
Well, well, hold on.
seamus coughlin
She thinks he actually was the Zodiac Killer.
tim pool
Let's be clear.
It's worse than that.
He didn't just try.
He rallied all of his friends.
And I remember this clear as day.
I remember that video of Ted Cruz holding the torch, leading the people down the hallway, screaming, AOC!
seamus coughlin
With his copy of Green Eggs and Ham.
Oh my goodness.
luke rudkowski
Isn't he the Zodiac Killer?
tim pool
He was clearly the Zodiac Killer.
unidentified
AOC thinks he was. Wasn't it his dad though? Not him. How did that come out about it?
tim pool
It was just a meme, right? Yes Trump didn't Trump say something about his dad being
unidentified
involved with like JFK's assassination. It was clearly the Zodiac killer. It's settled
seamus coughlin
Luke I I am happy to hear that you believe that Cruz and Rand will
Really be looked at I guess my question is, what are you basing that on?
Why do you feel they're the guys who are going to get the attention?
luke rudkowski
Because they're getting attacked the most.
So you see the targets.
I mean, the establishment is smart.
I mean, we're talking about the CIA and the information that they data harvest, especially from the NSA and all the information that they know.
I mean, we're probably already with predictive programming algorithms that could predict the future.
I think we're already there.
And I think it's already being exploited.
And I think the bigger kind of targets that stand against them, They're already setting the groundwork to beat them into oblivion, and that's why we're seeing such attacks on them that are kind of ridiculous.
I don't like... I criticized all of them.
I have negative things to say about all of them, but seeing the media landscape...
Yeah, yeah.
Seeing the media landscape against them, there's something that's up and I think it's because they represent some of the bigger ideas that a lot of mainline kind of Republicans and Trump supporters also kind of in the middle ground resonate with.
tim pool
What if it's Tucker?
seamus coughlin
Tucker Carlson for president, my goodness.
luke rudkowski
I like him because he's the only one that criticized Donald Trump effectively.
He's the only one not afraid.
Sean Hannity, I mean, he's a total brown noser, but Tucker Carlson literally called out Trump on the issues that actually mattered.
The war, the budgets, the COVID response, everything that Trump did bad, Tucker was right on him.
So I gotta give him credit for that.
seamus coughlin
Isn't it incredible that he's on television?
luke rudkowski
Well, they're trying to take him down too.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
But that's why he's the only one who saw ratings growth.
Yes.
When everyone else was doing bad.
Yeah, people don't know this about Luke, but Luke is, you know, he has a poster of Tucker.
luke rudkowski
I definitely disagree with him on his stance on things like marijuana.
I disagree with him personally on issues like that.
But I like hearing him because, you know, he's going to come out with information that is going to be backed by some kind of thinking.
unidentified
and i could agree with the thing i could disagree with the thinking but at least
Yes.
luke rudkowski
i understand that it that it's coming from a perspective but i could watch and not understand that are being tricked
tim pool
yes i i i i i went into a looks rv and there was a photo of me and look at
where we are on the the docks in coney island and he has arm around me is getting a thumbs up and he taped tucker
cross's face I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
If you go down into the basement of this house, you'll see Luke watching Tucker.
tim pool
Well, I gotta be honest, I think Tucker is the best personality on TV right now.
And I gotta be honest, it's not saying a whole lot, because almost every single person on TV is trash.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, that's exactly it.
He's like the only person who isn't just being handed talking points.
tim pool
Yeah.
There was some stuff a few years ago where I watched, like one thing about marijuana legalization, and it really felt like he didn't agree with, this was years ago, he was opposed to it.
And it really sounded like he didn't really oppose it and was just trying to make it seem like he did.
And I was like, it's not working, Tucker.
luke rudkowski
Just go back to agreeing with him.
He's still against decriminalization.
I remember a few years ago when he was still wearing a bow tie promoting war, I confronted him.
I confronted Tucker Carlson at the DNC or the RAC.
I forgot it was in Florida.
I was on him.
I was on him.
And now I'm like, now I'm like, you know, this is the thing.
He's not trying to trick you.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
He's like, this is what I think.
This is the information.
This is, this is my perspective.
Take it or leave it.
And I disagree with it sometimes, but it's a lot more genuine.
And then it's a lot more honest than all the other bull crap on there because you turn on Sean Hannity.
It's like, Trump's the best!
He's our lover no matter what!
And it's not clear.
It's fogged with personal bullcrap.
tim pool
Do you see that really funny moment where Tucker was criticizing how all these big corporations made massive profits and stocks were skyrocketing during the pandemic?
And then when he was doing the handoff with Hannity, Hannity was like, he just jumps in and goes, if a company provides a service, they're going to make money.
And Tucker did the, like the furrowed brow, like, huh?
You know, look, and that was, that was great.
seamus coughlin
Did you, uh, did you grab him by the bow tie and just keep twisting it?
And you're like, listen here, Tucker.
luke rudkowski
I have a big role against that.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's funny because I've, I actually know people who have worked with Tucker who very much disagree with him on everything, but said, like, he's one of their favorite people and he's He was confronted by Joey Boots.
luke rudkowski
I don't know if you remember Joey Boots from Occupy Wall Street.
He's no longer with us, but he was a very interesting character.
seamus coughlin
When Tucker was fishing.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Tucker was fishing, and the way Tucker responded to him was so nice.
Genuine.
It was so genuine, it was so real.
I mean, if you look up Joey Boots and Tucker Carlson, and they just had an honest, genuine conversation when Joey Boots was being a creeper.
tim pool
So Tucker was fishing in Central Park.
And he was like, can you fish here?
And he goes, you can.
And he's like, it's legal?
It is.
And then he was like, Tucker sat and like, just like, all right.
unidentified
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
This is the thing.
Joey Boots was filming him.
unidentified
Right.
luke rudkowski
And then Tucker Noah says like, why are you filming me?
tim pool
And then, and I guess, I guess Joey didn't know it was Tucker Carlson.
luke rudkowski
I don't know if he did or didn't.
tim pool
He said he didn't.
He said he didn't know who it was.
luke rudkowski
Then he was like, you know, why are you, why are you filming me?
He's like, he's like, can you fish here?
It's like the establishment doesn't want you to fish here.
tim pool
But Tucker was like, do people get mad when you film them?
He's like, yeah.
He's like, huh.
He's like, you know, all right.
All right, well, how's it going?
He's like, you want to see what I caught?
He was like, what are you fishing?
I was like, fly fishing.
And he shows him.
He's a cool dude.
I was talking to somebody.
I was in Portland during like some big riot or something.
And somebody was asking me about who I liked, and I said, I like Tucker Carlson.
And then some leftists heard it, and they started going like, oh, oh, oh!
And they started tweeting like, overheard on the street, Tim Pool praising Tucker Carlson.
And I'm like, I will go on my YouTube channel and praise him if it makes it easier for you.
seamus coughlin
It's like, it's not hiding that.
tim pool
Dude, it's because these people don't have principles.
So you look at some of these personalities on CNN, and what do you get from Cuomo?
Giant fake Q-tip, Don Lemon.
It's not about principle, it's about tribal grifting.
luke rudkowski
Emotional manipulation, most of all.
It's like, look at the horror, look at the sadness, look at this pathetic... I mean, it's milking things that, again, it's just petty.
It's poor, it's pathetic.
ian crossland
I want to blame Rachel Maddow, because I think she was the first.
And I might be wrong about that, but I feel like she created a genre of, whoa, I just got some light on my face.
I think that's good, though.
Of that, like, emotional... No, no, Keith Olbermann kind of started it.
tim pool
He went nuts, dude!
What happened to that guy?
luke rudkowski
There was a picture of him underneath the flag, and someone tweeted, Keith, it's safe to go outside right now.
seamus coughlin
It's okay.
luke rudkowski
Trump's gone.
It's fine.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
luke rudkowski
But he absolutely lost it.
We're having some light issues.
I think it might be an electrical issue, since the lights kind of went up and we're dealing with some extreme light.
tim pool
Was the blizzard?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know if it's an electrical issue, but man, is it crazy out there.
ian crossland
Yeah, that one's really crazy.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness, are we gonna have a snowball fight?
tim pool
You know what's really crazy, just as a total side note, So, most of you know that we're out in the middle of nowhere.
I was talking to the mail lady earlier, and she told me to make sure that we have emergency food.
I started laughing, because we do the promos, and we were talking about it the other day, and she was just like, you're out in the middle of nowhere, the mountains get covered, and you get trapped, and people don't realize it.
You need to make sure you're stocked up, and I started laughing.
I was like, thank you ma'am, I appreciate it.
ian crossland
Did you tell her how much vinegar we have?
unidentified
No, no, but... She knows, didn't it break in the mail?
luke rudkowski
How much vinegar did you buy?
ian crossland
25 gallons.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
So that we can live forever, Tim.
tim pool
Not a vinegar!
What are you gonna do?
You know, interestingly... So we can boil tea with grass.
I made, from scratch, General Tso's chicken.
seamus coughlin
You what?
ian crossland
It was good, too.
tim pool
It was amazing.
From scratch.
It was like a garlic sauce.
To the extent you can.
Like, I didn't make the soy sauce.
But, you know, we mix vinegar, and it's interesting how you don't taste it when you mix it into the sauce.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, when you cook it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Hey, I got some info about COVID.
I wonder if you guys would like to hear this.
So this is just a new study that came out, and it was shocking to see, and Facebook covered it up as potentially fake news, which I thought was weird, but it says... Who did the study?
luke rudkowski
Do you know who did it?
ian crossland
Stephen Quay?
tim pool
Who's that?
Is that an institution?
ian crossland
No, he's a guy.
He's a medical doctor, and that's a PhD.
Uh, it says a new study by Stephen Quay concludes that SARS-CoV-2 came from a laboratory.
tim pool
What's the story?
What's the source?
ian crossland
What I've... Oh, I'll look it up.
I actually sent this to you.
AP News.
unidentified
AP.
tim pool
The Associated Press.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Associated Press.
January 29th.
Uh, three days ago.
And when I read the story a little bit, check it out if you want a new study by Dr. Stephen Quay.
Q-U-A-W.
Um, is that they were actually testing the vaccines in 2019 in China for the SARS-CoV-2.
tim pool
I, I, I, I can't, I can't find it.
ian crossland
It's called New Study by Dr. Stephen Quay.
tim pool
How do you spell Quay?
ian crossland
Q-U-A-W.
Concludes that SARS-CoV-2 came from a laboratory.
I don't think... I sent it to you on Facebook.
luke rudkowski
Apnews.com, title, new study by Dr. Stephen Quay concludes that SARS-CoV-2 came from a laboratory.
tim pool
Q-U-A-W?
ian crossland
Q-U-A-Y.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
Pardon me.
tim pool
This is from... I'm sorry, Ian, this is a press release.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, paid content from PR Newswire.
tim pool
This is fake news.
ian crossland
It's fake?
Are you 100% sure this is fake?
tim pool
This is someone writing a press release and then paying to have it published on an AP press wire.
It's not a report.
luke rudkowski
It says on the top here, press release, paid content from PR Newswire.
ian crossland
So his 193-page paper is... should we dismiss it?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
And why's that?
tim pool
Because he paid to have it promoted, and until we actually get hard publication of what the study actually is, we shouldn't be announcing that it's true or anything like that.
ian crossland
I didn't announce that it's true.
tim pool
Well, we'll say it's coming from the AP when in fact it's coming from a paid PR, you know, publicist.
ian crossland
Okay, so the AP will promote paid work as well?
tim pool
The AP just shows a list of press releases.
It doesn't mean any of it's true.
We'll see if the story gets picked up.
ian crossland
It's not gonna get picked up.
tim pool
And I'll look into it.
The challenge is, You know, look, just because the meat doesn't cover it doesn't mean it's fake news.
ian crossland
Exactly.
tim pool
But I don't trust, because we've seen tons of stories like this already, they're not vetted.
So just because a guy publishes and pays for PR Newswire doesn't mean it's, you know... I'll put it this way.
I want to fact check it before we mention it.
ian crossland
The downside is I cannot bring myself to read 193 pages of paper.
It's a long paper.
tim pool
Seriously.
Listen, listen.
I'll look into it, and I'll see if I can vet it in any capacity, learn about who this guy is, but you are bringing up a press release with no vetting and no fact-checking.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
That's not- we can't do that.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
Because otherwise- I'm not- well, yeah, I wouldn't try and prove it or anything.
What were you gonna say?
tim pool
No, I was gonna say let's go to Superchats.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Smash the like button, ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already.
Make sure you smash the like button.
You know, we do, we're gonna have probably, I think it's gonna turn into a bonus episode on life after death and religion.
unidentified
Yes, please.
tim pool
Because we have this story, and I think it's gonna go too long, so we're gonna make it a bonus segment talking about Netflix claims to have in this documentary proof of life after death.
seamus coughlin
Excuse me?
tim pool
And I think, well, so they claim- Netflix did it, wow.
Well, hold on, hold on.
Good for them.
I could be wrong.
We'll save it for the segment, and I think it'll be a fun conversation, and it'll probably be long, so it might end up being this whole big spiritual philosophical conversation.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member.
It should be up maybe around 11 or so is when we usually get these things up, but because it might run long, it may be up later than that.
Don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe, hit that notification bell, and really share the podcast if you like it, because that's how we grow.
Let's read your superchats.
I'm not your buddy, guy.
Said the financial system is rigged.
The media are propagandist.
Educators indoctrinate.
Politicians are tyrants.
The judicial system is corrupt.
And voting is rigged.
What are we defending?
Is it worth preserving anymore?
You know, it's, uh, what is it?
Empire's last 250 years?
We talked about this a couple weeks ago.
Maybe it's just that we don't have a unified culture anymore.
We don't have something where we're all like, we believe in each other.
No, it's just everyone out for themselves.
The ship is sinking and everyone is just trying to find a lifeboat to jump off and swim away.
seamus coughlin
Well, here's the question, too.
Because I've heard this, that empires last about 250 years.
Is that from their inception as a government, or from the time when they become an empire?
Because we didn't really become an empire until about 100 years ago.
tim pool
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
But also, social media could accelerate the pace at which this kind of social decay occurs.
tim pool
Yep.
I think we're seeing everyone say, every man for himself.
And that's why things are kind of falling apart.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Austin Gettl says, glad you're back, Seamus.
It's been too long.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I'm glad to be back, too, Austin.
Thank you.
tim pool
Donnie420FY says, do you have an OnlyFans?
And I'm going to assume that he's talking to you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
No, I don't have an OnlyFans.
I have a page on patreon.com slash freedomtunes if you guys want to check it out.
And my Patreon supply, which Tim also has, but I'm going to steal his spot by patreon.com slash freedomtunes.
Get some supplies.
lydia smith
Seamus Seamus you can use only fans to like show people how you draw and stuff isn't that usually used for point?
luke rudkowski
I know, but I just don't even want to be associated When my channel was demonetized I was like I'm just gonna do my regular videos, but just put them on there What if what if what if Seamus as you're drawing your cartoons you put your feet?
unidentified
Oh?
tim pool
All right, Samantha says, isn't it strange the article says AOC was in her office hiding, but the story she tells in a recent video, she's in a bathroom.
Well, yeah, because she said she was in the bathroom of her office, and her staffers were out in the office, I guess, to protect her.
I don't know.
Yeah, I guess.
There you go.
Michael Cobb says, there are reports that U.S.
Special Forces are in D.C.
now.
What are they doing?
What are they doing slash about to do that they need that kind of protection?
I haven't heard that.
I'll look into that.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tim pool
I don't know if I should read this one.
Ian, they're mad at you.
seamus coughlin
Oh no.
tim pool
Should I read it?
ian crossland
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
Cat's Claw says, Ian's a great example of why drugs are bad.
They fried his brain.
I've never heard a human say so many stupid things in my life.
seamus coughlin
That's a little harsh.
tim pool
That's very harsh.
ian crossland
I don't like that.
It's so easy to be mean to people when they're not here.
seamus coughlin
Ian, I love you.
ian crossland
Thanks, Seamus.
tim pool
People either really love you or hate you, though, you know what I mean?
That's the point.
Oh, is it?
A lot of people are, like, cheering for you.
I think what happens is when the negative comments come in, that's when all the positive ones come in.
ian crossland
In that guy's defense, I smoked weed for, like, 16 years straight, and it definitely twisted my ability to memorize information.
tim pool
And people don't realize, you don't mean, like, periodically, you mean literally for 16 years, you had a joint in your mouth that was constantly being replenished.
ian crossland
I smoked for, like, 600 days straight, I think, at one point.
unidentified
Wow, dude!
ian crossland
But I used to memorize scripts, you know, as an actor.
My memorization was off the chart, and then after I started smoking weed, I started thinking more abstractly, and so now I'm kind of, it's changed the way my mind functions, that's for sure.
tim pool
Dent Crow says, I am a right-wing atheist like Carl Benjamin.
Why do you think so many atheists go full left-wing slash TDS, i.e.
Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and the entire atheist community of Austin, Texas?
Well, many of the atheists became anti-SJW.
That's true.
And then we saw a bunch of atheists just trying to fit in.
But what a lot of people don't realize, a lot of the atheist community was fueled by pro-LGBT rights.
It was social justice.
So, back in the day when the Republicans were anti-gay marriage, the atheist community had a large influx of people who were pro-gay marriage first, atheists second.
So when we, you know, moved to that natural conclusion, these are people who are interested in social justice, not atheism.
The people who are atheist first are skeptics and critical of dogma became anti-SJW.
So I think a lot of people just assumed the left was always the, you know, the right place to be.
Like Bill Maher, they call him alt-right.
Like he's really not left at all.
He's actually more moderate libertarian, but he does have Trump arrangement syndrome, you know.
seamus coughlin
I was like, and now he is, but 10 years ago.
This is funny.
When I, in 2013, when I was in my first college art course, I remember my teacher, who I considered to be left-wing at the time, recommending Joe Rogan to me.
And I was like, oh, there's probably some like hippie left-wing nonsense.
Can you imagine a left-wing college professor?
I mean, by the way, that college preacher, he's actually really cool.
I'm still in touch with him, but just the fact that he was somebody who I considered to be left-wing less than ten years ago.
tim pool
They would expel you if you mentioned Joe Rogan.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
You'd be like, I once watched Joe Rogan.
Get out!
Get out now, you Nazi!
That's it.
Alright, Daniel Maxwell says, You know the news media misses Trump when the top story of the day is AOC getting scared by a cop trying to get her to a safe location on January 6th.
Isn't that crazy?
Like, I'm here to save you, ma'am!
He's hurting me!
He's yelling at me!
unidentified
I've heard that story.
tim pool
Beating him with a cane.
Cody Mays says, a preceding event to the U.S. Civil War was Senator Preston Brooks beating
Senator Charles Sumner nearly to death on the Senate floor with a cane.
I've heard that story.
Beating him with a cane.
Geez, man.
Let's see, WMR Photography says, I guess AOC never had any scary moments on the short bus.
Aha!
Sporkwich says, if we only elected veterans, even desk jockeys get some combat training.
And remember, quote, an armed society is a polite society.
Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert Heinlein.
seamus coughlin
This is anecdotal, and it could just be my sample size, but the veterans I've met tend to be very anti-war.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Not, I've had some messages from people who are veterans who are pro-war.
Definitely.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
Yeah, no, oh, I'm not denying that at all.
tim pool
I mean, isn't Dan Crenshaw pro-war?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, he is.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but many of the... And I think the anti-war veterans, they're like a special kind of anti-war.
lydia smith
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
They're, I mean, really vehemently against it in a way that other people aren't, because they understand it more.
tim pool
All right, we got Amber Kirilak.
She says, Hey Luke, I had my vitamin D levels tested and I was advised by my doctor I need to take a daily supplement as I was deficient.
Also, I bought a hoodie from your store.
Can't wait to wear it.
luke rudkowski
Well, thank you so much.
And yeah, I always recommend getting your blood levels tested.
And I'm not a medical doctor, so don't take any medical advice from me, but thank you so much and really appreciate you.
tim pool
Cliff Sroka says, hey guys, love your work.
Even you, Ian, would love to have a conversation one day over drinks and food, hopefully not on a Civil War battlefield.
Well, there you go.
Cole Frog, is that pronouncing it right, I guess?
Seamus, I liked your YouTube radicalization vid.
It's just hypocritical how the left is crying right-wing radicals when there are left-wing YouTubers radicalizing viewers and calling for violence.
In a video game.
In a video game.
unidentified
In Minecraft.
seamus coughlin
In Minecraft.
Thank you, I very much appreciate that.
tim pool
Cool.
seamus coughlin
And I agree.
Yes, they said in a video game.
Of course.
tim pool
It's a great book slash movie, right?
The younger I look at Facebook and the mainstream media, the more I feel like one of the dolphins
from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, silently observing the silly humans unaware of their
impending doom.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
Ungoliant says, back then, being dishonored was a fate worse than death.
Honor was as important as life.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Now this would be called your rep.
But people lie, cheat, and steal and get away with it.
Life goes on, and people still vote for them.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, because here's the thing.
It's not as if they valued life less at that point in history.
They just valued themselves less.
lydia smith
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Now we all put ourselves first.
tim pool
Garhent says, please, please, Seamus, do Gwen Stefani's Hollaback Girl, but replace it with Jen Psaki doing Circle Back Girl.
I mean, it's perfect for spoofing.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness, that is hysterical.
I'm actually really strongly considering that.
Here's the thing, music videos are much more difficult and expensive and time consuming to make than the regular cartoons.
And that's not why I don't want to do it.
The reason I don't want to do it is because it might take so long that by the time it's done, that wouldn't be relevant anymore.
But I think that's really funny.
If there's a way to pull it off, I want to figure it out.
tim pool
All right, here's the best super chat ever.
Eric Miller says, Pacifist Tim Pool trying to be Avatar Aang, uniting the parties to fight the corruption while not being on a side.
Tulsi fighting the corruption in her own party like Zuko.
Man, that show was awesome.
Yes, do you guys know what show that is?
seamus coughlin
The Last Airbender?
tim pool
Yeah, that was a really great show.
It's too bad Legend of Korra was okay.
It's nowhere near as good as the original.
but I like I like Legend of Korra it was fun. Jeffrey Perrine says Biden does have a low-key
blurred halo in photos I'll find some and send them to your spin the UFO gmail I wrote last
month that can prove the bible I've been building a case will also be emailed. Interesting. Biden
seamus coughlin
has a halo? I've seen those pictures.
So the media is constantly telling me he's a devout Catholic, despite the fact that he doesn't go out practicing.
tim pool
So they have the office of the president over behind him.
And in his photos, the photographer lines it up so you see the golden ring around his head.
lydia smith
Yeah, like light and everything.
seamus coughlin
It's not a religion, though.
lydia smith
No, no, no.
seamus coughlin
No, it's not.
tim pool
David Merwin says, Tim, you rock.
Thank you very much.
Kay says, Tim, please look into these grifters.
I don't want to, I'm not going to name them.
All the boomers that Trump, that all the boomers that Trump's still prez that think he is.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, there are a lot of people claiming that Trump is still secretly president.
seamus coughlin
Well, don't you know, Tim, we're all gonna know soon.
tim pool
Trump literally, yeah, soon, soon.
seamus coughlin
They keep pushing it off another couple days.
unidentified
Yeah, like a week.
seamus coughlin
It's like, dude, give it more time than that.
Be like, alright, next.
After like the third time I said like in a week, I'd be like, okay, it's actually gonna be a year, you guys.
tim pool
It's actually, it's actually, they're never gonna tell you.
Just trust the plan.
seamus coughlin
Just believe me.
lydia smith
Just go with it.
tim pool
There you go.
Andrew Lance says, hey Seamus, thank you.
Your conservatively libertarian Catholic worldview best reflects my own views.
You, in part, helped renew my faith.
In October I'm getting married and plan on having lots of Catholic babies.
That's how we win the culture.
seamus coughlin
God bless you.
That makes it all worth it.
Yep.
Really.
God bless you.
tim pool
Blave Kaiser says, I agree, Ian.
The president doesn't matter.
After all, he is just a temporary employee.
Pretty sure a general said that on Ancient Aliens or something.
I mean, we brought this point up before, though, that the presidency controls the president, for the most part.
They get an office and they say, here's the folder, and they open it and go, Oh, damn.
And then they're like, I guess I can only do what, uh, you know, we have to do.
Trump on the other hand was like, no, and he like throws it out and he's like, I'm president.
I'm going to do what I want.
And they're like, but look at this war.
And he's like, no, he did what he want.
And they didn't like it.
Jim Jam says, what are your thoughts about this news about the National Guard that are still being sent to DC to root out racism, white supremacy, and disinformation?
I didn't hear that.
Is that true?
lydia smith
I didn't hear that either.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
lydia smith
Not cool.
tim pool
We'll look into it.
Sword and Scale says, Tim, did you see the DeSantis press conference today, and do you think anything will come out of Florida's war against Silicon Valley oligarchs?
I didn't see it.
I heard a little bit about it, but I'm not confident anything will happen because there was actually, I think it was in Texas, they, maybe not Texas, but there were some states that filed at the state level to make censorship, like social media censorship, not allowed.
And they didn't go anywhere.
But shout out to Sword and Scale.
It's like one of the biggest podcasts in the world, isn't it?
It's like a crime podcast.
Yeah.
Thanks for the super chat.
Xavier says, I am a gorilla.
Thank you for all you guys do.
Been watching you for at least five years now.
Would love if you could shout out my band's new single, Sleeping by Cascara.
It's progressive metal.
Well, there you go.
Sleeping by C-A-S-C-A-R-A.
I hope I pronounced it right.
And, uh, let me see if the... You know what?
Let me make sure I get the I Am A Gorilla right there t-shirt.
If you guys want your exclusive I Am A Gorilla t-shirt, you can go to TimCast.com, click shop, and boom, there it is.
And a lot of people got the misprinted one where his hands were white and his face was darkened.
Uh-huh.
But they fixed it, so thank you, Teespring, for fixing the problem.
All right, let's move on.
Mr. Roach says... Oh, it just jumped on me.
Thanks, YouTube.
I love it when they do that.
YouTube has this thing where it doesn't load all at once, and then it loads, and then I gotta spend 20 minutes trying to figure out where it went.
Mr. Roach says, Hello, Beanie Lord and the Parking Lot Rebel.
I listen to you every day and decided to get my very own subscription to your site.
I'm a regular guy from Ohio and play in a band called Someday Saturday.
What is your advice on creating good culture?
Being in a band, and writing music, and putting it on social media, and doing it to the best of your abilities.
luke rudkowski
Lead by example, and don't let fear rule your life.
And I like that, parking lot rabble.
I'm taking that, stealing that, thank you.
tim pool
There you go.
Ryan says, Luke, Tim, serious question.
Ever a story in which government justified in using underhanded tactics?
Any justified covert ops?
Thanks for all you do, God bless.
I mean, wasn't like, raiding Bin Laden covert?
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends which version of the story you want to believe, since the government came out with many different versions of them.
tim pool
The one where he used his wife as a human shield?
And then they were like, oh, actually, that didn't happen.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
There's so many misnomers about that story, so I don't know what to make of it.
But I'm going to have to do some research on that, because, again, when everything's done in darkness, there's a lot of potential for it being done wrong.
So that's the biggest issue that I think still needs to be addressed.
tim pool
Eric Miller says, third Super Chat, I was wondering if anyone ever thought about creating a video stockpile website for news.
A journalist can post a video on it and charge small fee, and an independent channel can buy it.
It's called, it was originally called Corbus, now Gallup does this, but it's been around for like a hundred years.
Well, not that long, but I, no, no, did I say Gallup?
I mean Getty, not Gallup.
Gallup is the polling institution.
Yeah, Getty.
So Getty takes photos and videos, and I think they recently bought Corbis, and I'm pretty sure they also do video.
And a lot of journalists do this.
They upload their videos and photos, and then people pay like $25 to $50 to buy the rights to it.
Here's the crazy thing.
Some people's whole job is they just travel the world and they film scenic places.
They'll put a camera up by like a lake in a mountain and just film for like three hours and then they'll put the footage on a website and say this footage is available for you know 25 bucks per license and they make tens of thousands of dollars off the one video because movies and documentaries and commercials want to use a small portion of it.
It's crazy.
There was one I saw where someone filmed like fireworks in Japan and ended up making like a million bucks.
That's all they did.
They brought a really nice camera out, got cinematic quality, put it up and said 25 bucks per use, and it was just fireworks, but it was so generic and easy to use, they made like a million plus dollars.
I was talking to one of these executives who runs one of these companies who told me about it, and there was one person who randomly stumbled upon Steven Tyler and took a photo of him, and it was like the only photo of him at a certain point or something, and they put it on a site and it sold for like millions of dollars.
So that stuff exists.
There you go.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, some movie companies contacted me, and my stuff was even in some movies.
tim pool
I sold to... what channel was it?
It may have been National Geographic, I'm not sure.
This was during Hurricane Sandy in New York.
I was out filming the flooding and everything, and then some company bought a license to the footage.
Well, that's because it's not on YouTube.
Thumb Ugly says, eighth attempt, because YouTube, learn a trade, stock up, and lids for Ambivalent Dictator.
I give up on original comment attempts.
I'll join your site.
Ha ha!
There's a comment section.
So if you want to comment, a lot of people, you know, if you go to the members area, you'll just see the content.
But if you actually click the title or on the front page, click it, you'll see the comment section.
And that you can comment on, if you're a member.
And so then people can have these conversations.
Christian B. says, Tim sucks.
Freedom Tunes is the best.
JK, love you guys.
I don't know, Freedom Tunes is pretty good.
seamus coughlin
I don't know what he was joking about.
I love you, thank you.
tim pool
Tim rocks.
Liam Mason says, can you give a British shout out to Captain Sir Tom Moore, who sadly passed
today at 100 years old.
He raised $32 million for the NHS last year and inspired a nation in these dark times.
Keep up the great work.
lydia smith
OG.
He was a World War II vet.
tim pool
Yeah.
Brandon Swift, WCVB, News 3.
I've met him before.
Do you think Tim Dillon would make a good president Tim Dillon 2024? I like that idea
I've met him before he's a funny guy zombie tanker 19 cases Dan Crenshaw 2024
You know, he gets ragged on a lot by a lot of people and I don't agree with him a lot of things
But I do I do think he's alright I disagree with him on a lot.
lydia smith
I respect that.
tim pool
The red flag laws, the pro-war stuff.
luke rudkowski
Those are pretty big issues.
tim pool
Those are serious issues.
But I don't think he's a bad guy.
I think he genuinely believes it, and I think he'll engage in an honest way, and you'll be like, dude, I really disagree with you.
But you look at some of these politicians, and the ones that are pro-war aren't even really pro-war.
They're just like, do I get paid?
unidentified
Sure!
tim pool
Stamp.
PardonWill says, how much to put my application and CV into Timcast LLC?
There is no such thing.
And I don't know.
Well, it doesn't cost money to do it, but people email that stuff all the time.
And man, it's really hard because I mentioned this before.
We had a really difficult time with all of the membership signups we got for TimCast.com, and the site is only a few weeks old.
We're redoing the format.
We're expanding the amount of content we produce.
We're probably going to be making multiple websites, hiring a hundred people, doing more shows and expanding, and becoming an actual large network.
And the only thing stopping us is time.
Thanks to all the people who have signed up, we're now in a position where we can actually start growing and expanding in a very powerful way.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member, but we're definitely gonna be hiring as well.
Gunstar1 says, would you have Jimmy Dore on your show anytime?
The issue is traveling.
Dude's in California.
But Jimmy's awesome.
And I told the story before, we're from the exact same place.
No joke.
Like, so he's way older than I am.
But when I was like a little kid, and he was in his 20s, I think, I don't know, we lived within like two or three blocks of each other.
It was crazy.
When I first actually met him in person, You know, I was like, I'm from Chicago.
And he's like, oh, no kidding.
Me too.
unidentified
Where at?
tim pool
And I was like, Midway Air.
And he goes, get out of here.
Where at?
And I was like, by Vidim Park.
And he goes, I lived right next to it.
And I was like, get out of here, dude.
That's crazy.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
That's where we lived when I was a little kid.
I know, right, right, right.
Yeah, me, you, and Jimmy Dore.
luke rudkowski
Were you there when Jimmy Dore... I was there when Jimmy Dore spit on Alex Jones.
unidentified
Yes.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we were there.
We're just sitting there watching the whole thing.
We're like, my goodness, what's going on here?
We saw Alex Jones, because we were hanging out.
I forgot who we were hanging out with.
We were at the RNC.
Yeah, we were at the RNC, but we were hanging out with another news group.
And we saw Alex Jones walk by.
I was like, oh man, he's going to do something.
And the Young Turks were filming there.
seamus coughlin
He certainly did.
luke rudkowski
Stephen Colbert had a Roomba with a live camera there.
And yeah, then there was a lot of fireworks.
tim pool
Sword and Scale says, I just paid AP to publish a press release about Tim Pool announcing she's trans.
Please announce this since I paid for it.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
luke rudkowski
I'm very proud of you.
ian crossland
I thought AP was a news organization, but they are willing to just take money from anybody and post anything?
luke rudkowski
That's what the media does, Ian!
ian crossland
That's the mainstream media!
unidentified
That's the definition of them!
ian crossland
Is AP news guarded?
tim pool
Of course!
ian crossland
But they'll post junk?
tim pool
But they straight-up said this is a paid press release.
ian crossland
Do news organizations do that on the regular?
Duh!
Yes!
How can you be a justifiable news organization?
seamus coughlin
Ian just got red-pilled, you guys.
tim pool
Do you know what an advertorial is?
Advertorial, it's brilliant, right?
It's where news organizations write favorable articles for companies and make it look like a regular news article.
Advertorial, like editorial and advertisement combined.
So you'll go to a website, and I think BuzzFeed is all the time.
It'll be like, these are the best dish sets you'll ever use, and you'll read it, and at the bottom it says, this is an advertisement paid for, and it looks like a normal article.
ian crossland
So I could be like, hey AP, here's an article that says Tim Poole stinks, I'd pay him a bunch of money, would they post that?
tim pool
Yes, but it says at the top this is a paid post by this organization.
luke rudkowski
That's insanity.
NBC News did a whole segment literally promoting tequila.
It was disgusting the way they were doing it.
It looked like a total news segment.
It was on Twitter, but it was like, yeah, it was so refreshing and good.
tim pool
You know what I get a lot?
I get people saying, would you interview my company?
And I say, I think your company is interesting, but no.
Then they say, can we pay you to do an interview with the CEO of this company to help promote his product?
And I'm like, no, like that's not interesting to anybody.
And I would rather just sleep all day than take money to just interview a guy so he can promote his company.
You know what I mean?
I won't, I won't do it.
We have people on who promote their companies, like.
seamus coughlin
Go to Freedom Tunes.
YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes, you guys.
tim pool
But it's because Seamus produces culturally relevant content and he has a channel you and so we definitely have
people on who promote their Stuff promote their books, but there are companies that
aren't culturally relevant. They'll like, you know, we make You know rulers that are the best rulers for drawing
pictures Can we come on your show and I'll pay you and I'm like no
Like dude, if you want to do a sponsor spot, we can talk about a sponsor spot
I can promote rulers if I think the rulers actually good But some people actually want to have the show and I'm like
that's a lot of companies do it. Okay?
A lot of companies do it.
People don't realize this.
You might see an interview on TV, and it's a guy talking about a very important product or something, and they're paying the company to have him on the show.
CNN does stuff like this all the time, where they actually run shows that are paid for by governments, by companies.
Like, they did one called Bahrain Business Friendly, and it was heavily criticized, Glenn Greenwald was criticizing it, where basically Bahrain paid to publish favorable coverage of Bahrain as kind of a news segment that promoted the country's tourism.
Meanwhile, there was, like, riots going on, and it was during the Arab Spring, so they were heavily criticized for it.
There you go, that's what media does.
ian crossland
And they'll be like, something, something, something, fake news.
By the way, this is a paid advertisement.
Well, it's like saying, I'm going to murder that person in a video game.
luke rudkowski
Like if they do it and I mean, and they say it, I mean, there's an argument to be made there, but a lot of these people do it and they don't even say it.
ian crossland
What if I was like, I don't believe this, but, and then gave you like violent instructions to go kill people?
tim pool
There there is a you ever see but I said I didn't believe it you ever see the show the that's like the whitest guys
You know, I think it's called the whitest. Yeah, you know Yes, this is I remember the explains don't do this. This is
a way you could he explains how to attack the White House Yes, and then he's very it's it was hilarious and I can't
unidentified
believe they did it He's like you could tell my lawyers have informed me that I
tim pool
can't tell you To go to the White House and look at and and and go in this
direction and now I can't tell you to then I was like that's crazy. Yeah, dude is crazy
Alright, let's see.
Ryan Cronin says, Ian for president.
JK, that would be nuts, but Ian's okay.
luke rudkowski
Would be to your first directive.
Would be your first executive order.
tim pool
Joe Biden has 43 executive orders.
luke rudkowski
What's your first executive order as president, Ian?
Well, I don't know how much power I would have, but I would like to... You can sign into law whatever you want.
seamus coughlin
It's an executive order.
ian crossland
I would like to audit the Federal Reserve.
seamus coughlin
I love it.
tim pool
Send in the FBI to just storm the building.
You know what mine would be?
It would be that from now on, cilantro, fennel, anise, caraway, yes, those, and coriander, I guess, but that's basically the same thing as cilantro.
Those are now schedule one.
lydia smith
I back this completely.
Uh-oh.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Yep.
All of those.
Gone.
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm gonna make you a fennel, coriander, cilantro dish.
lydia smith
Yeah, he'd love that.
unidentified
Dip.
tim pool
He'd love it.
David Phillips says, are you afraid to talk about election fraud due to your channel being shut down?
No, because we talk about it a lot.
We've talked about it a whole lot.
I've done like a month's worth of content on it.
I don't know what else to say.
I don't know.
But we're at this point where it's like, what do we do?
What do we talk about?
Media Matters tried smearing us.
That was really funny.
lydia smith
That was fun.
seamus coughlin
What did Media Matters say?
tim pool
Do you remember when Media Matters... So, Jack Murphy is on the show.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And he said, Donald Trump gave concrete examples of voter fraud.
Think, you know, Matt Brennan stuff, like, you know.
That was his comment.
Media Matters claimed that we were pushing the theories simply because Jack Murphy said Donald Trump said.
Isn't that insane?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Donald Trump said a thing!
Aha!
You pushed it!
No we didn't!
We referenced Trump said it!
You did the same thing when you referenced we said it!
I'm disappointed, Jack.
Are you pushing it?
And the best part was they claimed that our videos were demonetized.
Never happened.
They were like, all of these videos.
So they referenced five videos.
Four of them got removed because they were like very serious claims about fraud.
And ours was like, Donald Trump said a thing and they tried smearing us.
So YouTube was like, what, what is it?
Like, this is fine.
Like they didn't do anything.
So Media Matters, like four of the five videos were removed.
All had their ads removed.
Our ads weren't removed!
seamus coughlin
We didn't do anything!
tim pool
I emailed them and demanded a retraction and they didn't do it!
And then I followed up saying, I'd like a retraction, and they still didn't do it!
Because what happens now is, another article come out and being like, Tim Pool, whose videos have been, you know, stricken down by YouTube in the past for rule violations, that's what they do.
seamus coughlin
That just means they're making interesting content.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
It's just, it was not true.
Our ads were not removed.
seamus coughlin
On any video ever?
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
But they were saying that we got in trouble with YouTube or something.
Yeah.
YouTube did not punish us in any way.
The video is fully monetized.
The podcast is fully monetized.
We didn't have any issues.
It's got a quarter of a million views.
All that happened was Jack Murphy was like, Donald Trump said this.
seamus coughlin
And they were like, I'm so disappointed with Jack, with Jack Murphy, the other Illinois boys.
ian crossland
If you go around and say like a company's losing money and they're not, that's dangerous.
That's like libel or something.
seamus coughlin
I don't know if it's liable, but that is a concrete thing to reference.
I mean, that is easily provable or disprovable.
That's not just a matter of opinion.
What they said is literally not true.
tim pool
The podcast never had... It's taken away.
And so I emailed them like, yo, what's up with this?
And I, yeah.
ian crossland
I think if you state that a company's losing revenue, that's like a, that's like a crime.
tim pool
Well, they said YouTube has removed ads from the videos we named.
ian crossland
Indicating that the company's losing revenue.
tim pool
Maybe there's some kind of like semantic argument, but they ignored it anyway.
I don't care.
Whatever.
Like, you know, for no reason they included our show in this smear.
And the other videos did get removed because they were saying very bold claims and making hard assertions that we don't make.
Even when we had Matt Brainerd on the show, Matt Brainerd didn't make any definitive statements.
He talked about what he's seen, what his evidence is, and what he would like to see, you know, in court.
And we, it was, there you go, I agree.
These other channels are like making definitive statements and they got taken down.
Why include us in that?
I even emailed being like, none of what you've accused of these other channels pertains to us in any way.
We actually agree with what you said in terms of, you know, like voter fraud exists.
It's not Bill Barr said this and we haven't had adjudication.
I'm like, what's the problem?
They just, they just want to go after everybody and whatever.
I don't, I don't, I don't care to talk about it.
You know, whatever.
Demolisher says, hi to Seamus.
I named my son Seamus.
Don't hear it every day.
Best name ever.
seamus coughlin
God bless you.
unidentified
Good.
seamus coughlin
I'm glad.
It's a good name.
My condolences to your children, though.
It's a rough one.
It's a rough one to have to wear every day.
People mispronounce it all the time.
I consider that to be a microaggression.
lydia smith
Indeed.
seamus coughlin
I read an article about how it is a mark of privilege to not have your name mispronounced.
I was like, at least I got one.
lydia smith
I know, right?
seamus coughlin
At least I have one impression.
tim pool
Seamus Coughlin.
seamus coughlin
Coughlin.
The worst I ever got was Seamstress Coughlin at a video festival in high school.
tim pool
I had a friend named Sean.
I had a friend named Sean in grade school, and one substitute teacher called him Seen.
Seen, yeah.
He's not here to be seen.
seamus coughlin
He's not here to be seen.
tim pool
But I was like a little kid, I'm like, did you not know that's how you say Sean?
I'm a little kid and I knew that.
seamus coughlin
Like whatever man.
Yeah, that is rough.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
Vosh says no anus, no peace.
No.
Delicious Honey says thanks Tim for an awesome show.
It's always entertaining and informative.
Thank you.
Heather Corrin says, coriander is cilantro, FYI.
Also, please know I will lose my mind.
I need pho, salsa, guacamole, etc.
You know what the best guacamole is?
I used to get this made all the time.
You go to these places, they make the guacamole in front of you.
No cilantro.
Extra lime juice, extra onion, no cilantro.
ian crossland
I think you're missing out on the cilantro.
tim pool
No, I think it's disgusting.
ian crossland
It's amazing.
So, coriander is the plant that the cilantro leaf grows on?
tim pool
It's the stem.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It's like the stem parts and then coriander.
That's why I said it's basically the same thing.
lydia smith
There is actually a gene that makes some people think that cilantro tastes like soap.
tim pool
I do not have that.
seamus coughlin
It does taste like... Excuse me?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It doesn't taste good.
It's medicine, but you gotta, like, trick your body into starting to crave it.
tim pool
I don't think cilantro tastes like soap.
I've never understood it.
I think cilantro is overpowering and it tastes bad.
I don't like it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's like medicine.
tim pool
I don't know.
People like it.
I don't.
ian crossland
It's so good for you.
tim pool
Dan Murphy says, you just lost support.
Your spice supremacy sucks.
I've seen him do it.
He wants to keep the vampires away.
Basil's pretty good.
unidentified
Oh, garlic.
lydia smith
Bay leaves are great.
tim pool
Garlic on everything.
ian crossland
Top.
What's your, like, is it one of your top?
tim pool
Garlic?
Yeah.
I will put garlic on a pancake.
seamus coughlin
I've seen him do it.
He wants to keep the vampires away.
He's making all these Daywalker analogies.
ian crossland
Do you ever eat it raw?
tim pool
Garlic?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's intense.
tim pool
No, but you know what I love doing is when you make a pizza, you put whole cloves on it, and bake it, and then they become soft, and they just, oh, garlic.
Garlic's the best.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can roast garlic.
You take a full clove of garlic, you slice off the top part, and then you just put it on pans, and then when it comes out, you squeeze them out of their shell, basically, and you have this soft, garlicky goo.
tim pool
Garlic?
Actually, you know what?
Mandatory garlic.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Second executive order.
seamus coughlin
Everybody gets garlic.
tim pool
They come to your house.
seamus coughlin
You do have to fight the vampires.
ian crossland
We're ending the pandemic.
tim pool
Government garlic.
ian crossland
Garlic for everyone.
tim pool
Garlic just, there you go.
And it's good for you.
Skyrim96 says you guys should have Upchurch on your show.
He's like Tom McDonald, but he's at the forefront of country rap and will go down in music history.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Alright, let's see, we'll just do a couple more here.
Great job, Tim Pool team.
Don't say that, you're making his head big.
He demanded a bowl of only green M&Ms.
as a regular always brings the show to a higher level.
Great job, Tim Pool team.
Don't say that, you're making his head big.
He demanded a bowl of only green M&Ms.
I deserve them.
seamus coughlin
He totally did.
unidentified
At least I'll get to eat.
seamus coughlin
You know what he said the last time I was here?
Some of them had W's on them.
tim pool
I'll tell you an interesting story.
I'll tell you an interesting story.
So that whole idea that rock stars demand crazy things because they're egotistical is a myth.
It started because, I can't remember the name of the band, but you guys probably listening might know this.
This band, a very famous one, I can't remember which one, had in their contract for their tour Right somewhere in the middle was that a bowl of M&M's with all the brown M&M's removed will be made available for the band.
And a lot of people in the media saw that and thought it was that this band is egotistical and demanding and it makes no sense.
The reality was apparently the band had been playing on stage and the stage collapsed and people got injured.
And so the idea was, put something in the contract that's seemingly nonsensical, because if they don't do it, it means they didn't read your contract.
seamus coughlin
Oh wow, that is fascinating.
tim pool
If they show up and saw the M&Ms weren't there, it wasn't that they wanted M&Ms, it was that if they skimped on something as dumb as picking out M&Ms, what did they also skimp out on?
Supports for the stage?
Supports for the audience?
Lights?
Fire extinguishers?
ian crossland
Partly to explain why they have these weird riders sometimes is because when you're a performer, your body is a tool.
You're using your body like a tool to have a very specific task, like making a sound that's very challenging for the human body to make.
And if it isn't in the right, you know, mindset or physical place, it's hard to make that sound.
And then the production suffers.
So you might want, like, no aspartame.
No, you know, I want just salmon.
luke rudkowski
And thanks for the shout out.
We'll see what happens.
tim pool
AlternativeJK says, after noticing both you and Luke have a habit of mispronouncing things, you should make a shirt that says Potato Pot-Tot-Toe.
You get the idea.
I'll be open to help design the shirt as well.
Well, I'm really bad with pronouncing names.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
That's about it.
luke rudkowski
I just scream through them.
tim pool
No, Luke doesn't mispronounce words.
Luke accidentally chooses similar sounding words.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it happens.
tim pool
Like fraudulent slip instead of Freudian slip.
lydia smith
Okay, Luke's defense, English is not his first language.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Thank you, Lydia.
seamus coughlin
And also, Luke's bringing the fire on plenty other issues.
lydia smith
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Give him a break.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Jan.
Stankowicz says, Luke, do you ship your shirts internationally?
By the way, I believe Luke is Lukasz in Polish, pronounced Wukash.
Freedom Tunes is my fav guest on Timcast.
luke rudkowski
That's what it is in the Polish Bible.
And some of the stuff is shippable internationally, but a lot of the stuff is getting banned.
I never wanted to have limited supplies of shirts, but they're forcing me to do so because they're taking so many of them down.
Some of them do ship internationally, some of them don't.
You have to go on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com to find out.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, go to TimCast.com, shop, click shop, and you can see the I Am A Gorilla t-shirt.
Some have asked about the I Am A Gorilla Love Yourself shirt.
We are working on this.
We also have a shirt for Ian coming soon.
ian crossland
Oh, I saw a preview.
tim pool
It'll be fun.
And we're working on one for Luke about, you know, mispronouncing words.
luke rudkowski
We might have to get some copyright in there.
Get some contract.
tim pool
Alright, we'll figure it out.
Or we just won't do it.
You know, whatever.
But go to TimCast.com, become a member because we're gonna, after this wraps up, we're gonna record a bonus episode for all of you members about life after death and religion and philosophy and have probably a very interesting and fun conversation that I guess wouldn't fit because we've probably gone for a really long time.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna record right after this.
Which is very soon.
Come back tomorrow night, live at 8 p.m.
Well, we will be here, and we'll be doing the show once again.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Mines at TimCast.
My other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast, YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
If you're listening on the podcast, like iTunes or Spotify, leave us a good review, share the podcast, help us grow, and Seamus, you also produce things that people can watch.
seamus coughlin
Yes, I make cartoons.
So if you want to check out YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes and watch those, they're a lot of fun to make.
We make at least one a week, sometimes two a week.
And we've been expanding and growing and that's fantastic.
But because we have to crank out these shorter videos, sometimes even when they are monetized, we don't pull a whole lot of money out of them.
So if you want to help us create more and you like them, you can also check out Patreon.com slash Freedom Tunes.
luke rudkowski
I am the parking lot rabble, and also an independent journalist.
And if you want to be involved with what I do, you can on wearechange.org forward slash donate.
Today I'm also wearing another We Are Change exclusive t-shirt that is a pie chart and is censored with green tape.
And it says in a family-friendly way, ish you know, which is represented here, ish you know, you don't know, and then in the bottom here, ish you don't know, you don't know, which is the larger pie representation here.
tim pool
It's the universe.
unidentified
It's amazing.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
So if you want one of those, you can on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Thank you again so much for supporting me.
ian crossland
And you can follow all of my paid advertisements on the AP.
lydia smith
Yes, indeed.
ian crossland
I'm just kidding about that.
I would not do that.
Hey, you can follow me on the Internet at Ian Cross on Twitter, YouTube and Instagram.
Actually, you can follow me on Twitter because I go live during the day, somewhere between one and three o'clock on Twitch, where I do a game streaming session and hang out with everybody and chat it up.
Well, I'm going to be locking in an exact time.
It'll probably be around 2 p.m., but this week it's going to be thereabouts.
So follow me on Twitter and I'll let you know when I go live.
lydia smith
Very cool.
And I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and Mines, and Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram and Gab.
You can follow me there.
tim pool
We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
live, but we're gonna have this bonus episode coming up at TimCast.com, so go there, sign up, check it out, and we will see you all then.
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