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Jan. 23, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Someone SABOTAGED Our Gorilla Shirt To FRAME US, It's War
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ian crossland
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luke rudkowski
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tim pool
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lydia smith
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tim pool
happy friday ladies and gentlemen We do the show, obviously, at night, so for those listening tomorrow, it's Friday.
And I'm gonna do intros really quick, because I'm gonna jump right into the story.
My friends, we are under attack!
Someone is trying to sabotage the Gorilla, and I will not stand for it.
So let me just quickly announce, we got Lucret Kowski hanging out.
luke rudkowski
Now, Levatos, what happened?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Is that all you're going to say?
Okay, okay.
We got Ian, he's chilling.
Yeah, it's just us tonight and Lydia pressing the buttons.
Yeah, I'm over here in the corner.
I'm outraged, my friends.
We're just going to jump straight into this one because this one is more personal.
And we got a lot of news.
We got a lot of news.
You know, Joe Biden is... Marjorie Taylor Greene filed impeachment against him.
We'll talk about this stuff.
We'll talk about a lot of stuff.
We got the QAnon shaman is mad at Trump.
He wanted a pardon.
COVID mandatory vaccines for all employees of United.
Trust me, we've got news.
But this time it's personal.
My friends, if you go to TimCast.com, okay?
We have a new website set up where you can become a member and help support the show.
And we're trying really hard to make that a bigger part of the show for several reasons.
It allows us to speak freely without fear of getting banned from YouTube because it's our own website.
And it helps support us outside of these ridiculous ad sales and rules and all that stuff.
Now, please go there, become a member if you want to support the show, but I bring this up because we also have an area called Shop.
And when you go to Shop, you can purchase this ever-so-lovely I Am A Gorilla t-shirt.
Trust me, this is part of the story and you're gonna want to hear this.
The gorilla t-shirt is a joke.
When Alex Jones was on the show, he kept saying, I am a gorilla, kill yourself.
Well, we didn't like that.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, because it's based on this book called Ishmael, where this like, what is it, Ian, a spirit gorilla?
ian crossland
This guy was like seeking the meaning of life.
He finds this gorilla who has telepathic powers and talks to him telepathically.
tim pool
Okay, like Gorilla Grodd from DC, I guess.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
He's a villain.
He's basically, what, telling people that they're like a virus?
ian crossland
Well yeah, he's explaining that humans have kind of ended up becoming too much of takers in the world and we're kind of destroying the planet now instead of how we're supposed to live symbiotically with it.
tim pool
Okay, okay.
So Ian ended up saying, I am a gorilla, love yourself.
And so we thought that was funny.
People in the chat kept saying, I'm a gorilla and posting gorilla emojis.
And I liked the idea of focusing on getting back to nature, you know, being responsible for yourself.
Cause you know, when we had Jack Murphy here, I mentioned what Ishmael was kind of about.
And when I said, it's, you know, get back to nature and, you know, get in the wilderness, maybe chop some lumber.
Jack's like, that sounds pretty good.
You know what I mean?
And so I'm like, let's make a positive thing.
I don't do political shirts.
Luke does political shirts.
Look at the shirt he's wearing right now.
luke rudkowski
Well, I get my shirt censored, but that's a whole nother story that we got to get into in a little bit.
tim pool
But Luke's got political shirts.
It's Orwell saying, boy, did I call it or what?
It's a great shirt.
It's a great shirt.
Well, the Tim Guest IRL shirts are not political and on purpose.
We have one where it says, silence accelerates victory.
It's the old slogan from the U.S.
Office of Censorship.
It's about as political as we get.
And it's the pyramid, you know, with the all-seeing eye being toppled over.
lydia smith
That was for IRL, right?
tim pool
Yes, that was something I made a while ago as just like, I thought it was cool, it's like the censorship being knocked over, we'll win.
That's about as political as we get, because we have a cat, we've got me with a pipe with bubbles coming out of it, and shirts with beanies on them!
That's right, you buy a shirt, it's got a beanie on it.
So when we made the I Am A Gorilla shirt, I put TimCast IRL on it, and it's meant to just be a silly thing for the fans, people listen to the show, no strong message.
I'm about to show you an image.
Most of you probably have already seen me tweet about it, because when I saw this, I was just like, I facepalmed.
I'll admit, you know, I'm a pretty chill person, so I was laughing, but I was like, still kind of worried at this.
Someone ordered this shirt, one of the first shirts to go out, and this is what happened.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the sabotage of the I Am A Gorilla shirt.
I am offended.
The I Am A Gorilla meme was supposed to be fun and silly and family-friendly, and it is just a drawing of a silly cartoon gorilla sitting there like, yeah, I'm a gorilla.
It doesn't mean anything.
Well, here's the image I got.
On the left, you can see the original artwork.
On the right, you can see what was delivered to someone who ordered the shirt.
For those that are listening, I said, yo, Teespring, you wanna tell me why our cartoon gorilla shirt became an effing blackface drawing?
How is this an accident?
His hands were printed white, and his face was darkened.
This is the crazy thing about it.
A lot of people have suggested that this was some kind of printing error.
It wasn't.
Now, the first thing I want to say, I've talked with Teespring, and they're working on figuring out what happened, and it is definitely on their end, but not through their main company.
What they told me is that they believe this came from a third party that they outsourced to, and look, I respect Teespring.
I like them.
I've sold shirts with them for a long time, and I have no issues with them, so I respect.
They called me, and they were really apologetic, and they were like, We really want to get to the bottom of this.
We don't like being called racists.
And I was like, I don't want people walking around with TimCast IRL branding and this ridiculous image.
Let me explain something.
This is a picture of what looks like some... It looks like a minstrel costume because the fists were changed to be white.
The face is blackened, but you can see where the black on the face is.
It doesn't reach all the way to the end of the face.
Kind of like blackface.
So some people said it was a printing error.
I don't know how that would be a printing error because you can see that there are certain colors that appear in certain areas and on other areas.
How did they accidentally make the fists white and accidentally then make the face darker?
Not only that, the color of shirt is gray.
I don't off- we don't offer that in the Teespring store.
It seems like somebody Purposefully altered the image and printed it on a shirt.
Maybe!
I don't know what happened.
Maybe someone thought it was a joke, and they printed it out for their friends, and then it accidentally got shipped out?
Or maybe someone intentionally wanted people to be walking around with a shirt that says Timcast IRL on it, and depicts what looks like blackface saying, I'm a gorilla.
So, look, I ain't all that mad, okay?
We all kind of laughed and were like, what are you gonna do about it?
You know, it's ridiculous.
But the indignation you hear is because I think someone did it on purpose, and I don't think they did it because it was fun or funny.
I think they did it because it would seriously hurt us.
So when I saw this image get sent out, My initial reaction was, if this person didn't tell me, and I didn't know, and they didn't think of it, how long would it take until Media Matters or some leftist organization started saying that Tim Pool sells blackface shirts or whatever?
It would probably take 10 seconds.
So I immediately tweeted, nah, none of that.
You're not doing that on me.
Not me.
So then, because of that, some people started photoshopping it and trying to sell it on other stores because you can't get any more.
So, I will tell you this.
I talked to Teespring, and they said it's not gonna happen again.
And I was like, cool.
But a lot of people may have ordered it, and it may have already been sent out.
So there may be 1,000 of these shirts circulating around with altered art, and I had no idea.
Maybe they didn't all come from the same printing facility, but...
Look, I'm trying to be nice to Teespring.
You know, I understand they're a business.
I understand they're scared of the accusations and cancel culture and all that stuff as well.
But let me just, you know, make a few more points and then we'll point out what they've done with Luke's shirts.
And that suggests that, well, I don't want to abandon, you know, Teespring over what a rogue employee may have done.
But I take issue with that.
And I definitely think there's quality control issues.
Because a few questions.
Let's say it was an accident.
Let's say it was a mistake.
How did someone look at that and say, looks like the design the person ordered, let's send it to them?
They didn't even stop and say, yeah, that's definitely not the art it's supposed to be.
They sent out a clearly defective shirt.
But come on, the darkened face and the white hands?
This was done on purpose, in my opinion.
So, look.
I try to be careful.
And I can understand the people who run Teespring are probably freaking out.
And I feel bad for them.
unidentified
I do.
tim pool
Because they didn't do this.
Somebody did.
Somebody at the company, or through the company, did somehow.
And so I just try to be nice and try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
But I think moving forward, for at least the TimCast.com store and for members, we'll probably print our own shirts and sell them manually.
Because then we can guarantee this doesn't happen.
Now, that being said, I'm sure there are a lot of people who actually really want one of these now because misprints end up becoming valuable or popular, and, look, all that matters to me is I said, I don't condone what the person did with this art, and I'm not gonna, you know, risk me getting cancelled by someone trying to accuse me of doing something.
If you find it funny, you know, so be it, whatever, they're sold, and a lot of people are probably gonna get them.
Um, I don't think you can get them now if you tried to order, but if you just want the regular one, which was supposed to just be silly, and a lot of people are like, it's a dumb shirt, what's the point?
I'm like, it's not supposed to be anything special.
It's just, you watch the show, you like it, I'm a gorilla.
Have fun.
Now, Luke has his own encounters because they just took down your shirts like the other day, didn't they?
luke rudkowski
Well, they took down 10 shirts.
tim pool
But like yesterday, right?
luke rudkowski
Yesterday, the shirt I was wearing, they took down after the broadcast.
And I'm like, wait, what?
I mean, the shirt that I was wearing, the one that said, that had the NPC saying, don't spread fake news because the mainstream media hates competition and all the mainstream media, they took that one down.
And I'm like, hey, what's going on here?
I have a puppy to feed.
I'm finally back on my feet.
I'm finally doing well.
I don't work for anyone.
I volunteer.
YouTube took away my demonetization.
And now, out of everything, here come these alleged snitches.
And now they're taking away the main kind of income that I have.
And I'm like, wait, what's going on here?
I reached out to them.
tim pool
The shirt you were wearing said, don't distribute fake news, the mainstream media will do it for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Why would they take that down?
Why would they remove that?
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And they took down a lot of other stuff and they haven't been honest.
But, you know, being, you know, Polish, being very hardheaded and stubborn, I'm still going to keep moving forward.
And even if I have to draw these shirts myself and ship them out to the people, I still will do that because A lot of people have been telling me, I love these shirts, they help spread the conversation, I love talking to random people, people stop me in the middle of the streets to talk about, you know, the information, the larger kind of message that you're getting out there.
So, I mean, I'm very happy that I bought thebestpoliticalshirts.com, that specific domain, because now I'm just going to use it, and whatever shirts they took down, you know, I'm talking to them, hopefully they will bring it back, but if they don't, I'm still looking for third parties.
I'm gonna find a third party to work with, and then all the shirts that were ever banned... I found out yesterday there was 10 products banned.
unidentified
10.
luke rudkowski
I didn't even know about this.
The emails are going to the spam box, and I was wondering, I was like, my storage looks kind of skinny there, so I'm very dissatisfied.
tim pool
There's a lot of services like Teespring and look, they just texted me and they said, you know, we're so sorry about this.
We're going to work on it.
We're going to figure out what the problem was and follow up with you.
And I respect that.
I do.
I try to be nice.
And, um, I'm sure there's probably a lot of people that are laughing at how egregious this was and knowing that it's not intended to actually, you know, insult anybody or actually be racist.
I'm sure a lot of people would like to have that shirt.
Now, that being said, Teespring, like I said, they're not gonna allow any more of these to go out, and they're gonna monitor them.
But considering some of the censorship we've seen from Teespring, I'll keep using them because they're integrated with YouTube.
They actually are pretty good service.
I know a lot of people aren't the biggest fans of their shirts, but Luke mentioned that these shirts actually have been, you know, pretty good for a long time.
Like, they last a while.
But that being said, we're gonna have to take the reins into our own hands if Luke can't criticize the mainstream media.
Like, come on.
You can't criticize the press?
ian crossland
Well, maybe it's that you had their logos on the show.
luke rudkowski
Well, they also took down my logo.
So I had merchandise with my own original We Are Change logos on there.
And they took that one down as well.
tim pool
That's a good point.
I respect that.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think that might be it.
tim pool
But satire and fair use is allowed.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can drink a Pepsi on this show and get ad revenue for it.
tim pool
But Luke was making fun of them.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, as long as it's satirical, it's allowed.
As long as it's Creative Commons, it's allowed.
tim pool
It was a new creation, clearly mocking the brand, and in no way sought to monetize off of those companies.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, if I took the CNN logo and was just selling the CNN logo, then yes, you can make that argument.
I stole their intellectual property, but not when you have, you know, 25 other media organizations being like, can I put like, it's so sure this is Nintendo, but like I'm pouring a cup of water on it.
tim pool
Yes, you can.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
Because you've edited it, you've changed it somehow.
tim pool
Yes.
So the question of copyright infringement is, are you infringing on their market?
So a famous story with Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin, Lotus Eaters podcast, I always give a shout out to Carl.
And he took a video on YouTube from a left-wing commentator, and then he took two cuts of it, just straight like cut and cut, and then titled it, I think it was SJW Levels of Awareness.
She sued him saying, oh, you just stole my content.
And a bunch of people were like, yeah, dude, Carl, like you did, you're going to lose.
And he's like, no, I'm not.
I'm right.
It's fair use.
He won.
Not only did he win, he won fees as well.
She had to pay him on top because you're allowed to criticize other people and produce a new product and monetize it if it's in the process of criticizing, mocking, satirizing.
The big question when it comes to the court is, are you infringing on their market?
So like Luke said, if you just sell shirts that say CNN, then you're taking money away from CNN, who sells the same shirts.
But if it says CNN and then sucks under it, CNN doesn't sell those shirts and CNN's fans wouldn't buy them anyway.
So you can do that.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we made a CNN logo that transformed into a toilet.
And I think they took that one down as well, and I'm like, what's going on here?
And it's not just copyright.
It's also our logos, our own independent art.
They took down a whole bunch of other stuff, claimed it was copyright, but there is no possible way in the world that that could be true and then we countered them on it
and this happened a couple months ago and they still never responded to me.
So I'm taking this very seriously.
I'm very happy I have this new domain name because I'm gonna be using it.
I'm gonna make my own store.
Maybe I'll use them, maybe I'll not.
We'll see if you guys respond to me.
But just keep checking in on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because if you want that shirt that I had on yesterday,
I'm working to make sure you have it one way or another.
Even if I don't get any profit, a lot of people want that shirt.
I'm gonna make sure you guys have it.
tim pool
I got an idea. For the I am a gorilla shirt, we'll just make one where he's holding a rainbow flag.
That's it.
So he's got his fists, let's just put a rainbow flag there and like, hey, we're cool.
ian crossland
Or like a rainbow Chinese finger trap.
He's like in it.
Teespring takes like 85%, right?
No, like 50 or so.
tim pool
Oh, that's not bad.
Cause they do 98% of the labor.
Right, they take the order, they ship it out, they make it, and all that stuff.
ian crossland
We were talking last night while we were on Twitch, Adam and I, about doing t-shirts here, because I think this conversation came up, but the consensus was it's just a lot of work to ship, especially the shipping.
tim pool
Yeah, but so if we do the limited edition stuff, like the tinfoil hat version, I'm gonna get those made by a local small business, and then we're gonna physically have them, and we can sign them, and then do a limited run members only.
And then I think for the shop we have on TimCast.com, I might just have to, like, maintain full control over this.
You know, look, misprints are fun.
Like, we play Magic.
You know, for those that aren't familiar with, like, card games like Magic the Gathering, you get a miscut or a misprint, they can be worth way more money.
This is probably the craziest thing to, like, look, that's why I think it's on purpose.
The fact that they say, oh, you know, maybe it was a mistake.
I'm like, come on.
luke rudkowski
There's too many things that had to go wrong for this to be a mistake.
tim pool
The wrong color shirt we don't sell.
The hands were accidentally made white instead of black and the face was darkened.
ian crossland
So play devil's advocate.
Maybe because the shirt was a different color, the ink didn't print right on it, but the hands are white.
Instead of black.
tim pool
That doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
It's like there's no ink where the hands are.
tim pool
No, there is.
There is ink.
lydia smith
It's white ink.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's wild.
It's light.
ian crossland
It's like a teal shirt.
luke rudkowski
Right?
tim pool
No, no, it's a gray shirt.
It's the gray speckled, whatever it's called.
lydia smith
Heather.
tim pool
It's called Heather.
lydia smith
So what I noticed about this was that the mouth was a different shape.
tim pool
So I really think they just... No, I don't think so.
I think you're wrong.
lydia smith
Tim thinks I'm wrong.
tim pool
Yeah, you're wrong.
lydia smith
It's the same... I think that somebody else went in there and they're like, I'm gonna change this.
tim pool
Why would they change the vector of the mouth?
lydia smith
I have no idea.
tim pool
They don't even have the vector image.
They have a PNG.
lydia smith
Why did they make it look like blackface?
tim pool
So, changing colors is easy.
Changing vectorized shapes is not.
ian crossland
They whitened a lot of black spots, but not the outline of the guy.
It stayed black.
tim pool
I saw how it was designed.
So the designer sent me an image of all the layers and, like, broke it down, and there is no way that could have been an accident.
luke rudkowski
So the ears are white.
Why are the ears white?
Yeah, I know.
The nose is white, too.
ian crossland
Is that a throwback to blackface?
tim pool
Someone said maybe it was inverted accidentally.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's kind of what it looks like.
tim pool
But look at his forearms.
The forearms are the same colors.
ian crossland
Um, who did the printing?
Did they tell you?
Their third party?
tim pool
They just, so at first they told me that it was actually a totally different company that was ripping it off.
And they sent me a link and I looked at it and at first I was like, oh, whoa, is that what happened?
But the person who bought the shirt is the designer.
And so I just asked the designer, did you buy the shirt?
Yes.
Here's the receipt.
Do you have the packaging?
Yes.
Here's the packaging.
Okay.
ian crossland
Well, that's shady that they told you it was someone else.
tim pool
No, I think they may have thought that was the case.
What actually happened was when I tweeted about it, someone took a photo, like photoshopped it out and then made a version, but the font they used was different.
And so I told them immediately, I was like, look, I was like, I got the package, I got the receipt, the font is different.
And they were like, well, can you verify?
And I was like, I'm not going to accuse one of the people who contracts the designs for me of lying to me.
Like, we've gotten art from them before.
It's been fantastic.
I thought it was a great shirt.
There's no way.
I don't even sell that color of shirt on my Teespring store.
And so they were like, you know, we're looking into it.
We have a task force on this.
They were freaking out.
They said, like, the whole country woke up.
You know, like, everybody's... I tweeted, like, dude.
This is not on me.
I'm not taking heat for this one.
That's on you, man.
Cancel culture is going crazy right now.
And I'll tell you, maybe I'm a little paranoid, but they're looking for any and every reason to ban people.
ian crossland
Dude, I think you did a really good thing by tweeting it out immediately.
tim pool
As soon as I saw it.
Because they're looking for reasons to ban people.
We already had Media Matters claim that we were pushing fake news in some video because Jack Murphy said that Donald Trump said something.
He's like, Donald Trump was talking about this, that, and this.
And so they were like, they're pushing lies!
And then they lied.
Media Matters said the ads have been roofed.
They weren't.
But you know what happens is, I asked them for a retraction twice and they've ignored me.
What happens is, Media Matters will put out a story saying, these channels broke the rules.
And then they'll start sharing that article to try and get in Wikipedia, trying to get other outlets to write about it.
Tim Pool, who's known for breaking the rules, blah, blah, blah, when it never happened.
And so now I have to closely monitor this stuff because if we actually sustain damages and these lies become pervasive... What's this Media Matters thing?
ian crossland
I haven't heard of it before.
tim pool
They wrote an article claiming that on one of our videos, one of our segments, Jack Murphy said that Donald Trump was speaking and gave examples of voter fraud, like out-of-state voters and things like that.
Giving an example of what voter fraud is, is not us asserting that widespread voter fraud caused anything to happen.
And so they claimed we were pushing lies.
They also referenced an incoherent super chat that I read that you couldn't really understand, and then said because of it, YouTube took our ads away.
That's Not true.
ian crossland
Who runs Media Matters?
tim pool
It's a bunch of activists.
But what happens is they create that narrative and then other leftists who read that will be like, oh, Tim, they said the ads were removed on the video.
And they said, oh, the ads got removed.
Tim Pool's was penalized by YouTube.
And they'll try and create the narrative that YouTube is punishing.
No, YouTube did not.
The podcast was fully monetized.
And as of right now, the video is fully monetized.
So I don't know.
lydia smith
How did they know that?
tim pool
Well, I think someone at YouTube probably told them that.
And whatever their point is, I asked them to retract it and they didn't.
ian crossland
Can you toss me some of that collagen?
tim pool
This is not collagen.
ian crossland
That's the MCT?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm gonna put it in my coffee.
lydia smith
Do it.
ian crossland
Thanks, dawg.
tim pool
Free cycling.
ian crossland
We're not plugging these guys tonight, but I'm putting some MCT oil in my coffee.
tim pool
Well, because we actually just eat this stuff.
ian crossland
Because it's amazing.
tim pool
Anyway, look.
The point is, when it comes to this I am a gorilla thing, I don't know who did it or why.
I don't care.
I'm not taking heat for somebody walking around wearing that shirt and then them being like, ooh, look at the shirts he's selling.
luke rudkowski
All it takes is like one dummy to wear it at one really bad rally with a really bad sign and you're labeled with it.
So we've seen a kind of transition and a trend online that's really worrying where you have to be responsible for every comment, you have to be responsible for every viewer, you have to be responsible for Discord.
who consume your content now, which is absolutely insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And it's impossible. And it's selectively enforced because they could say, look who's watching your
channels. This is why you don't have a discourse. I don't have a discourse because people
could just go on there and they could false flag it with a whole bunch of crazy
messages and say, look, this is your people.
Look what your people do.
And I remember a couple years ago them trying to do this on me and it backfired with just salacious, insane text of individuals blaming one race of people.
And I'm like, wait, wait, this doesn't represent me.
tim pool
I'll tell you, I'll tell you something funny.
I had a discord for a while and I got rid of it because we kept getting raided.
You know, people would come in and try and break the rules.
You agree to the rules and they would come in and they would post insane garbage.
And I'm like, dude, I'm not dealing with this.
The moderators couldn't deal with it.
But what happened was this left-wing group, I actually know one of the founders, it's called Unicorn Riot, had archived the entire Discord and took a segment of me talking where I was criticizing Vox.com for publishing white nationalist propaganda, and they cut out the parts where I was saying, how could Vox say these things, this is ridiculous, Vox is being so racist, and then just took the parts where I literally quoted the Vox article to criticize it and claimed I said it.
Yeah, that's what these people do.
ian crossland
I liked Unicorn Riot.
tim pool
Yep, and I know one of the founders, and I've known him for a long time.
ian crossland
Why did they do that?
tim pool
Because these people are zealots, they're authoritarians, and they believe that they're morally justified in evil because the end result for them is good.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So they took me literally saying, hey guys, look at Vox promoting white nationalism.
These people are disgusting.
And then clipped out my criticism and tried to make it seem like I was the one.
So what happened was Vox.com had a psychologist, a doctor, write an article where he literally claimed that Vox.com claimed in an op-ed from a psychologist that Jewish people, according to Vox, inherit genetically, and this is what Vox said, their materialism.
And I said, that's insane.
ian crossland
Oh, that seems insane.
tim pool
And you see how I had to break it up to avoid the out-of-context polling.
That's what they'll do.
And don't worry, they'll still chop it up.
ian crossland
So I'm like, I think that... Inherit's a weird word because you inherit money from your parents.
Well, inherit is the genetic... Genetic inheritance is a little different.
tim pool
So I said, here's what the doctor said.
Oh my god, that is insane.
And they took out all of my critique and just took the quote from the doctor and claimed the quote from the doctor
was from me I'm not a PhD researcher who writes for Fox. Sorry guys,
but they knew my name was next to it They posted a screenshot. Look what Tim pool said and it
works Yeah
luke rudkowski
It's crazy that we're living in a world where the mainstream media is literally paying people to watch
Everything we say and it's at a point where they can't even critique us
So they invent things to critique us on.
I remember people being like, look at your followers.
Look at what your followers are saying.
Look what the comment section of your YouTube channel you're saying.
And I'm like, I'm responsible for that now.
They're like, yes, you are a hundred percent.
Literally, you look like you have something to say.
lydia smith
So Luke, do you think this is maybe because they're making these things publishers?
They're not platforms anymore.
You are responsible for everything that happens there.
Like, do you think that's part of it?
luke rudkowski
Well, that's another argument about Section 230 that everyone's talking about.
But before we even go there, we have to understand these are institutions, the mainstream media, that told us that there was weapons of mass destruction, that told us that bankers deserve bailouts in 2008, that told us the air was safe to breathe on 9-11.
They have zero to little accountability at all for their grotesque lies that lead to tremendous human suffering.
But yet, We have to be criticized for comments on our YouTube videos?
ian crossland
Well, it's obvious.
tim pool
Are you kidding me?
It's obvious, dude.
What did the Babylon Bee say?
They put out a joke.
So I don't know if you guys heard the story that the National Guard was forced to sleep in a parking garage with no bathroom.
With one bathroom and only two stalls.
With 5,000 soldiers.
5,000 soldiers.
One power outlet.
luke rudkowski
And a parking lot, yes.
tim pool
And so the Babylon Bee said, Joe Biden asks National Guard to be patient until he can send them to Iraq.
Well, they sleep in parking garage until you can send them to Iraq.
So the reason I bring that up is there's a reason why they'll do everything in their power to get us taken down.
Now if we play by the rules and we don't violate community standards or whatever, it's really difficult.
Sometimes they take down channels arbitrarily, hoping they can get away with it.
And then when there's a backlash, they put it back up.
The mainstream media and the establishment elites want to be able to yell that we need war and lie about weapons of mass destruction to get us into war, and they don't like it when independent media challenges that narrative.
luke rudkowski
Or chemical weapons attacks in Syria, which after further investigation was found out to be absolutely lied about by the establishment and the mainstream media and all, of course, these neoconservatives and the State Department and Department of Defense.
tim pool
But you can even go back to the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
What got us involved in Vietnam, widely believed, I got, you know, still be careful.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
It was just, it never happened.
They claimed the US was attacked.
It wasn't.
They needed pretext for getting us involved in Vietnam.
So when we can pull up the actual research, and I'm not talking about conspiracy theories.
I'm talking about you just Google search the Gulf of Tonkin and read Wikipedia.
Wikipedia says all of this.
It's easier when the New York Times can say they're weapons of mass destruction.
It is harder when there are channels like this going, can you prove it?
Before you commit our troops to death, can you prove it?
luke rudkowski
Even then, hold on, hold on.
I just want to make a point before going right to you, Ian.
There was even whistleblowers.
There was people within our government during that entire phase screaming like, hey, There is no evidence at all that there's weapons of mass destruction.
There was voices.
I remember being at one of the largest demonstrations ever in American history in Washington, D.C.
hearing from whistleblowers within our government warning us that this was a lie.
They were all ignored by the mainstream media.
The internet was still coming up.
That's how I heard of it.
That's why there was a large demonstration and yet still we went forward with this.
It's ridiculous.
Sorry, Ian.
Go ahead.
ian crossland
Golf of Tonkin was a conspiracy.
By the government.
They conspired to produce this fallacious thing.
So there are government conspiracies.
I mean, they admitted, yes, we conspired.
It didn't actually happen.
tim pool
I don't think they admitted.
I think it was journalists.
ian crossland
uh... out daniel ellsberg did he come out in the pentagon papers was it
tim pool
revealed it may have been actually
i'm not entirely sure was the u s s maddox incident and international confrontation led to the in in uh...
direct engagement in vietnam it involved both a proven confrontation on august second
and an unlikely confrontation on august fourth so that's why i've tried to be careful because you know you
know the pd about that we were told over and over and over again
what you know that's we have been attacked and we had to go we had to go
And now, you know, decades later, they say we don't even know if it happened at all.
So what do they specifically say?
There were no U.S.
casualties.
It was originally claimed by the NSA that a second Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred on August 4th as another sea battle.
But instead, evidence was found of Tonkin ghosts, false radar images, and not actual North Vietnamese torpedo boats.
In the 2003 documentary, The Fog of War, the former United States Secretary of Defense, Robert S. McNamara, admitted that the August 2nd USS Maddox attack happened with no Defense Department response, but the August 4th Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened.
The NSA claimed it did, and then they admitted in 2003!
ian crossland
Well, it was a former, former guy, wasn't he?
He said he was out of the military.
tim pool
Former, yeah, Robert McNamara.
Was he the...
Yeah, yeah.
He did something else.
His name's familiar.
ian crossland
Sometimes I wish I was 80 years old.
tim pool
But yeah, in 2003.
Yeah, it never happened.
Never happened.
ian crossland
Dude, they conspired.
Government conspiracy.
luke rudkowski
And we have to understand, what led to that?
What were the larger consequences of that?
tim pool
Let me just still be reasonable, I guess.
Or they're just really bad at what they do.
They're wrong.
ian crossland
That's always a possibility.
tim pool
It is.
And, you know, Hanlon's razor, never attribute to malice that which can be explained through incompetence.
ian crossland
Or Lyndon Johnson really wanted us into Vietnam.
luke rudkowski
A lot of people wanted to say because they were afraid of the rusher and his secret war in cambodia and laos
I mean when you look at the atrocities that were committed in our name
Because of that single incident especially in vietnam the millions of people affected
the millions of people still affected by agent orange and the chemical warfare that was
Launched on the vietnamese people on innocent bystanders Holy freaking cow!
tim pool
The American young men who were drafted to go and fight in that and then spent lives with with injuries With you know permanent disabilities and all of that stuff coming back watching their friends die That was that was some sick stuff that we got.
ian crossland
It's like we barely hear some of what those guys have gone through like to be overrun to be in a in a hole at night in the middle of the night waking up every two hours and For what?
To stop the spread of communism in Vietnam?
Well, those are little proxy wars.
tim pool
To stop the spread of communism in Vietnam.
ian crossland
Maybe, or maybe it was a financial thing.
It was Kissinger's limited war.
We didn't want war with Russia.
We didn't want to bomb Moscow, so we were going to fight them in Vietnam.
luke rudkowski
Those are little proxy wars.
Those proxy wars are still continuing.
They were supposedly based on ideologies, communism versus capitalism.
In reality, it was empires vying for power.
It's exactly what's happening right now in Syria, in Yemen, what happened in Libya, what happened in Iraq, what happened in Afghanistan.
All of that are powers vying for more power, vying for geopolitical hegemony and control.
Let's roll with this.
trade routes but important national resources which of course they're doing anything and
everything for including sacrificing the lives of your sons of your daughters of your children
for profit.
tim pool
Let's let's let's let's roll with this.
You know you guys know the Berlin Wall is.
Yeah.
So we'll talk about the Cold War and the US versus Russia and Vietnam.
But you guys listening to this you're gonna love it.
Do you know what it was called in East Germany?
It was called the Anti-Fascist Rampart.
The Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart.
The Berlin Wall.
I saw a photo, someone posted on Twitter, of people carrying just two bags running full speed.
Because that was when they announced they were going to be erecting the Berlin Wall.
And people ran desperately to get to East Germany, because, I'm sorry, West Germany, not to East Germany, to West Germany because they realized what was about to happen.
And then someone posted a photo of the first person to die at the anti-fascist protection rampart.
It's really funny about the anti-fascist protection rampart is that people, they weren't protecting anybody.
The wall wasn't protecting East Germany.
It was keeping the people in like a prison.
And the first person to die was trying to escape.
I read one story about a dude who, like, took a hot air balloon over it or whatever.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
People were so desperate to get out of that place.
Look, I can understand why the U.S.
was so adamant about fighting Russia— I'm sorry, the Soviet Union on so many fronts, because you hear stories like this.
But I want to make sure we remind everybody, just read about this.
GDR authorities officially refer to the Berlin Wall as the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart.
In German, the Antifaschister Schutzwall.
Brilliant.
ian crossland
So the Antifa rampart.
tim pool
And so now you have people in this country going around claiming that they're Antifa and they're the heroes and the protectors and the saviors, when in reality, could you imagine, like, everything this country went through to stop this narrative, this line of anti-fascist, the Soviets, the Berlin Wall, that we fought a cold war, you know, whatever that means by fighting it.
And there were several times where we nearly annihilated the entire planet.
You guys know that story about the guy in the submarine?
lydia smith
The Russian guy?
tim pool
The Russian guy.
And then they got a notification, like an alert, that the US had fired nukes and he refused to retaliate.
And it was a false alarm.
We were on the brink of something truly catastrophic.
And what we're seeing now with Antifa is insidious.
And it's getting mainstream support.
We'll see.
Now they're kind of getting banned and stuff and getting struck down.
ian crossland
His name was Vasily Alexandrovich Arkhipov.
And he was a Soviet Navy officer.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he's attributed to saving the world.
ian crossland
Russian submarine guy, and you'll find him on Google.
tim pool
He refused.
ian crossland
He was misinformed and told to fire.
luke rudkowski
Well, there was a technical error and there was a warning saying Russia is under attack.
You have to follow protocol.
Protocol means launching an attack back.
Launch an attack back.
Now all of his higher commanding officers told him to do it.
He refused to.
lydia smith
He's like, that doesn't feel right.
Yes.
luke rudkowski
And then luckily he made the right decision because we would have been in, according to the official version of events that we're hearing, in an absolute nuclear war that would have devastated and we probably wouldn't be here now if that was the case.
Because, I mean, we're talking about thousands of nuclear weapons between Russia and the United States.
They openly test them in the desert in the United States and we're talking about You know weapons that will bring us back to the Stone Age
and now these are the same weapons Yeah, these are the weapons that now Joe Biden has that is
fragile Quivering well shaking fingertips. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not
tim pool
super worried about this idea this, you know Oh, no now, you know Trump's got the nukes
Now Biden's got the nukes.
luke rudkowski
It's just too much power in my opinion.
I don't care if it's Biden.
I don't care if it's Trump.
That's way too much.
You have a button that could wipe out the entire world 10 times over and also other planets.
That's too much power for one person to have.
ian crossland
I was thinking we'll look back on humans and be like, that was the time when they still had one guy leading all of them like a slave driver.
They had a governor leading.
We had that one guy would control them all.
That was so crazy.
tim pool
That's an overstatement.
ian crossland
Like, Joe Biden has power, but... But then we have governors, and then we have mayors.
Like, we have this system where we give all the power to one person, where then they get to control all of us.
luke rudkowski
It's very weird.
tim pool
The guys in black suits really have the power, but... But, I mean, we have three branches, and every state has three branches.
ian crossland
Well, the governor has massive power, though.
tim pool
And the courts can overrule him, and the legislatures can overrule it.
ian crossland
But should they have to?
tim pool
Yeah, they should!
ian crossland
Should that system be in place, where one guy can do crazy stuff all the time, and then...
We have to have all these groups in courts?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Do you think that the system requires an individual to have that?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
Because direct democracy failed every time it was tried, and anarchic societies collapsed every time it was tried.
ian crossland
I wouldn't assume the only other option is direct democracy, though.
tim pool
What's the other option?
ian crossland
Direct republicism.
tim pool
The reason we have three branches is because in a system with distributed decision-making, you can't respond to threats fast enough.
ian crossland
That's kind of where I hit the wall, the threat.
Like, the military threat.
What do you do when there's a military threat?
You have to have one commander.
But maybe the commander-in-chief shouldn't be the president.
tim pool
No, I think it makes perfect sense.
Well, now, guys... He only runs the executive branch, meaning he can tell the DEA not to arrest people for pot.
He can't change the law, though, so the courts can still overrule his executive orders.
I think it was a brilliant system.
The problem is, over time, too much power is being coalesced in the executive branch, and that's why there was a light at the end of the tunnel for the Trump administration.
He forced the federal government to attack the executive branch like crazy.
Yeah, our system's not perfect, but it's, you know, getting almost there.
It's pretty good.
It's pretty legitimate if it's actually run the way it's supposed to be and not by special interests and lobbyists and guys with black suits with special interests.
luke rudkowski
to see him back in the presidency.
So now the bombs that are going to be dropping inside of the Middle East, they're going to be very woke bombs, you know, filled with LGBTQ slogans and everything's great, guys.
tim pool
I got one better for you.
That may be, Luke, but the good news is From News 9 ABC, Rep Green files articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden.
And is that her?
She's wearing a mask that says Trump won.
And that's really it.
She's citing Burisma and the Ukraine scandal.
And I believe she mentions Russia and China and the Bidens enriching their family.
You know, I talked a bit about this earlier today, and I'm not sure I'm all that interested in the point of it, because a lot of people don't know this.
The Democrats actually filed for impeachment of Trump several times.
In December of 2017, they introduced articles of impeachment that got 58 votes.
It was shot down by almost everybody, but they really were trying to impeach Trump before he did anything.
I don't see the point of this.
I mean, maybe it sends a message.
If you're going to accuse Trump of doing something, we'll then impeach you for the same thing.
And when you strike it down, it proves the double standard.
Maybe that's the reason.
If it is, I just say this, like, we know there's a double standard.
ian crossland
It's not a compliment or anything.
It's so petty.
Like, it's like if a kid spits on a kid and then the other kid's like, eh, and then spits on him back.
Like, come on.
Didn't Jesus teach you anything?
Turn the other cheek.
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
Jinx.
You owe me a Coke.
I don't see what it would really accomplish.
I understand it'll feel good.
I'm sure there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, you show them, we'll impeach you back.
And I'm sitting here like, I'm looking at a chess board, bro.
And when someone like makes a move and you just copy that move, you're not really going to win.
I mean, some people do play that.
Well, they'll just try and copy their opponent and try and find a weak point or something.
But in terms of like actual strategy, you want to be thinking about what they're going to be doing next and not just following behind them.
luke rudkowski
It's symbolic, just like most politics.
It's all a horse and pony show.
But who knows, maybe the Democrats will take it seriously, will impeach Biden to have the Kamala presidency.
Kamala!
Potato, potato!
But obviously this is just people vying for attention, vying for media clicks.
And it's getting clicks, we're talking about it.
And again, it's not really going to achieve anything.
ian crossland
She's going to be on the show one day and you're going to have to call her Kamala.
unidentified
I think the thing is that's a problem.
ian crossland
A lot of these people are cool in person, but the system is so psychotic.
tim pool
I don't think Kamala is cool in person.
ian crossland
I think most people are pretty cool.
Obviously everyone's got their issues, but when you get them one-on-one, most people are pretty much the same.
luke rudkowski
She's a careerist.
She'll do anything to make sure her career gets progressed.
tim pool
And Luke means it because everybody knows her history.
unidentified
Yes, and we don't want to get into... You know her history?
ian crossland
I know a little bit of it.
Yeah, tell me.
tim pool
Well, she was in a very affectionate relationship with Mayor Willie Brown, right?
luke rudkowski
Yes, that's correct.
Yeah, he actually talked about getting...
ian crossland
Tell the kids.
tim pool
Family-friendly show!
ian crossland
Explain to the children what he did.
tim pool
Let's just say there was an explanation of some unfamily-friendly things that helped Kamala Harris, you know, move forward with her career.
ian crossland
But they say that she, like, slept her way to the top.
lydia smith
Yes, correct.
tim pool
Well, to start.
ian crossland
I've heard that.
And I know that she kept people in prison in California that were just to make the company profit.
Can you tell me about that?
tim pool
Well, to make them fight fires for a dollar an hour.
So a lot of people don't realize this.
Kamala Harris was accused by Tulsi Gabbard and many others of keeping people in prison longer than they should have been in exchange to use them for cheap labor.
There's two things they don't realize.
First, they weren't supposed to be released.
They had parole opportunities.
And Kamala Harris was like, nah, don't let them go.
Why?
We need people to fight fires for free.
Look, if you want to tell somebody we're going to make you, you know, clean the road or make shoes or license plates, that's using them for cheap labor.
Telling them we're going to keep you in prison and then make you risk your lives in a wildfire is slavery.
ian crossland
Was it like confirmed that she specifically denied parole because she wanted them to stay or did she deny them parole and then it was convenient?
luke rudkowski
What was to further her career because as a prosecutor if she got losses if she got her victories overturned she didn't look as successful as she would against all the other prosecutors who had more convictions than her more successful cases and this is the kind of psychotic.
You know nature of American prosecutors believing that they always have to win regardless.
if the person who's being convicted is innocent or not innocent.
That's just crazy to think of, that this is incentivized in a way where people really pay the ultimate price with their freedom, with their life, over someone's career.
And sadly, a lot of people choose career over doing the right thing.
And a lot of those people are rewarded.
tim pool
And Kamala was rewarded.
It's way too many people who would do it.
Way too many people.
lydia smith
So I see some of the same thing where we are like, okay, it's the short term.
You probably shouldn't do the short term thing just to make yourself feel good.
I think that Kamala did a lot of the short term thing just to make herself get ahead.
And she's like, this is how I'm going to rise to the top.
It's by lying.
It's by doing unnice things to unnice people.
ian crossland
What does she lie about?
lydia smith
So what she did was she took horrible advantage of the prisoners in California.
She took terrible advantage of them.
tim pool
She laughed about arresting parents, homeless women, because their kids wouldn't go to school and things like that.
She arrested tons of people on pot charges and then laughed about how she would smoke herself.
luke rudkowski
She hid evidence.
She hid evidence from people that she knew were innocent just to further her career.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then she later was like, I'm so sorry that happened.
It wasn't my fault.
It was a staff member.
ian crossland
One of her staff members trade evidence?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I'm sure.
Well, look, if you were to ask me, it was her and she was proud of it up until she realized if you want to run on the Democrat ticket, you need progressives behind you.
You got to pretend to at least pander to them.
You know what I mean?
So she can't come out and be like, I'm all about locking up innocent people.
They wouldn't vote for that.
She has to pretend to be on the side of justice.
ian crossland
Well, no one voted.
Well, I guess technically they voted for her ticket now.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
No one voted for her in the primary.
tim pool
No one.
Okay.
Not no one.
I would say probably 25% of people, only 25% of those who voted actually voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Why?
Because of all those sweet, beautiful votes that Biden and Kamala got, those were actually votes against Trump.
It was the media narrative.
It was driving people as hard as possible.
It was a tremendous effort, and my respect to the Democrats for pulling this one off, of early voting and mail-in voting and these initiatives.
They got past.
And you know what?
A lot of Republicans actually helped them.
And that was the secret.
But I would say the overwhelming majority of people who cast a ballot for Biden don't care about Biden, don't like him, don't know what he wants.
I'll tell you what's really funny.
Someone asked, a journalist asked the press secretary about Joe Biden's stance on abortion.
And she goes, Well, I'll tell you.
He's a devout Catholic.
Thank you.
And then everyone's like, oh, she dodged the question.
She doesn't want to admit it.
And I'm like, no, dude, she doesn't know the answer because Joe Biden didn't campaign on anything.
He was sleeping in his basement, hoping people hated Trump enough to vote for him instead.
New York was it?
Was it New Yorker?
They said, uh, stay alive, Joe Biden.
We just need your corp.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The Atlantic stay alive.
Joe Biden was the name of the article.
We just need your corporeal form.
That's insane.
They wanted Kamala Harris to be president and Tulsi Gabbard.
She fired off a nuclear bomb, took out Kamala Harris's campaign like that.
It was beautiful.
lydia smith
It was fun.
tim pool
It was totally beautiful.
luke rudkowski
Well, they were all bringing themselves down.
Kamala went hard after Joe Biden.
You know, I can't even mention what she called him.
tim pool
She's the, you can, she's the first vice president to have stated she believes, I can't say it, it's funny, that she believes Joe Biden is a sexual abuser.
ian crossland
Yes.
luke rudkowski
Oh, yes.
ian crossland
So she was one of the first people to come out and say that.
luke rudkowski
publicly. To answer your question Ian, I met a lot of politicians, I've been around them,
especially when I was confronting them, but when you look them in the eyes when you're around them,
you feel a certain energy when you meet new people. A lot of them are really dark, empty
people that have a very negative vibe to say the least when you're around them.
That's just eerily and creepy.
Especially individuals like Henry Kissinger.
I talked to him about six times.
Every time I looked him in the eyes, it's this insane, nasty energy.
You know, you talk about energy.
A lot of people are just energy.
But there is something to say about when you meet someone, you either like them or don't like them right away when you first meet them, based off Either your subconscious, your micro-expressions, or some people say something even deeper, your kind of energetic field that you represent, that you are, your vibe, as some people say.
ian crossland
Yeah, like if you you can tell if someone likes themselves or hates themselves when you meet them, and it's subtle, but like, if you get that dark energy, usually because they don't like something about who they are, what they've done.
And like, if those people are doing sadistic things, because of the system that they're a part of, then they probably hate themselves deep down or later.
luke rudkowski
How can you not?
How can you not?
Knowing that there's so many people suffering because of your actions, your consequences, that you could have helped.
You could have literally taken people out of jail that were innocent.
Save them, but you kept them in there in horrible, unspeakable conditions to further your career.
tim pool
Donald Trump could have done it.
luke rudkowski
Yes, in so many different ways.
tim pool
Yeah, he could have pardoned a lot of people and he didn't do it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so I've never really had a whole lot of confidence in the system.
That's why I never really bothered to vote until this past few months.
Donald Trump winning convinced me that voting mattered.
So I'm like, wow, they're freaking out.
Voting really had an impact.
You know?
And then he lost.
And then, on his way out, he didn't drop the hammer, man.
It's a bummer.
luke rudkowski
He did the opposite.
He hit himself with the hammer.
He beat himself senselessly, and everyone's looking bewilderingly like, what?
Why?
ian crossland
But first he melted the hammer into the shape of a Q, and then he hit himself with it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, check this out.
From modernhealthcare.com, HHS freezes rule targeting community health centers and drug discounts.
Now, that title alone probably doesn't say a whole lot to you.
You're probably like, Tim, what is this story?
This is a story about, essentially, Joe Biden signing an executive order that reverses Trump's rules to reduce the cost of EpiPens and insulin.
Long story short, it would seem that Joe Biden is trying to make insulin and EpiPens more expensive.
I'd like to give a round of applause to all the leftists who want universal health care and cheap, low-cost goods for your vote for Joe Biden, which results in the cost of life-saving medications going up.
Do you guys remember that story about the guy who was on minimum wage or whatever, and he couldn't afford insulin?
So he was, like, not buying enough, and then he died.
He was diabetic.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And people were like, he needed 30... He tried launching a GoFundMe to raise, like, 30 bucks or 50 bucks to buy insulin, and he couldn't do it, and then he died.
It's a horrifying story, man.
So sad.
That's like someone just being silent, please man, I just need my medicine.
ian crossland
It made me think of Martin Shkreli, that pharmaceutical rep.
Pharma bro, yeah.
tim pool
He jacked the price up on certain drugs.
ian crossland
Like 7,000% or something, I don't remember the number exactly.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's also another viral video showing a young mother crying because she can't afford
the medicine for her child.
And a lot of people are sending this video being like, why isn't this problem being addressed?
Why are medical costs so high comparatively to so many other places in the world?
It's insane.
It's almost criminal in some ways.
tim pool
Some of the arguments are bad, some of the arguments are good.
Like when Trump signed the executive order saying, in Canada you can get insulin and EpiPens for dirt, but in the U.S.
they're priced so high because of this weird broken system we have.
So he signed this executive... I don't know.
Let me read this.
Let me read this.
They say, HHS signed off on a rule in December, shortly before Donald Trump left office.
It aims to lower patients' out-of-pocket costs by forcing community clinics to pass their drug discounts.
The rule requires federally qualified health centers To give their discounts to the uninsured.
It was originally slated to take effect January 22nd, but HHS delayed it until March 22nd.
The Biden team could eventually withdraw the rule to prevent it from taking effect at all.
So I guess they've, they've, they've put a hold on it.
Trump was trying to make sure as people on the left were demanding universal healthcare, notably saying insulin and EpiPens.
So Trump was like, I'm going to sign this saying you can get cheaper drugs.
Joe Biden's like, nah, you know why?
Because the pharmaceutical companies are lining his pocket with gold.
ian crossland
It's kind of weird because he was Obama was all about lowering the cost of drugs.
lydia smith
He said that.
ian crossland
Yeah.
At least he did.
He said that a lot.
It seemed like that was with Obama with a health care plan that Obama said that a lot.
lydia smith
But Trump actually cared about the people who actually had to take insulin and epinephrine.
Like he actually cared about people who really, really needed this stuff from day to day.
Whereas I don't I did not get that vibe from Obama.
He always Obama always seemed to cater more to the elites.
Trump always seemed to actually care about people who work day-to-day.
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy.
That was really the vibe I got from Trump, even though he was like a top-tier golden toilet type person, you know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, well we have to understand our medical system is utterly corrupt and incentivizing it by throwing a whole bunch of government money at it is not going to solve that problem at all.
It's only going to make it worse.
It's a corrupt institution that takes advantage of people I mean, I've heard horror stories of individuals going into hospitals and getting bills that, of course, will leave them in debt for the rest of their existence and their children's existence until they say, I don't have insurance.
And then their bills are lowered ten times what they were.
tim pool
It happened to me.
Yeah, that happened to me.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it happened to you, it happened to many other people that I know as well, and what kind of system do we have when literally people are preferring to take Ubers rather than ambulances?
unidentified
I did that too!
luke rudkowski
Because ambulances are thousands of dollars!
tim pool
So I was out skating, I'm chilling, and all of a sudden I got an extreme pain, probably the worst pain I've ever felt in my abdomen, and I was like, I fell down to my knees like, Oh, like, it was mind-blowingly painful.
And so, it starts to subside a little bit, and I'm like, I don't know what this could be.
It could be an appendix rupture.
I could be like, I heard when you get appendicitis, you have like, the pain hits and you have very little time.
So I called the cab.
I called an Uber.
Uber pulled up and I went to the hospital and turns out I had a kidney stone.
It's extremely painful and it's when, what people don't realize too because they watch too many movies, it's traveling from your kidney through your ureter.
So it's like an internal organ thing from your kidney and that's why it hurts.
So I went to the hospital, they didn't know what was wrong, they gave me a ridiculous amount of drugs and then it stays for a while.
Like I had to go back several days later because I started getting hit by the pain again.
And this time they figured it out.
I ended up getting a bunch of crazy drugs.
And then I got the bill in the mail.
And it was, I think, it was like $25,000.
ian crossland
Oh my God.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Some ridiculously high number.
And so I called them and I was like, this can't be right.
It was like an overnight stay in the hospital on a prescription.
And then I had another overnight stay.
And they were like, no, the bill is correct and everything, you know, just give us your insurance.
And I was like, I don't have insurance.
Because it was the week I had just left Vice and before I joined Fusion, where I lost for like four days insurance.
And they went, oh, one second, let us send you the updated bill.
And it was like $3,700.
ian crossland
So they were like, oh, you don't have insurance, then we're not going to extort your insurance company.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Who runs that company?
Who ran it?
They do these deals, but I will say, with respect to Fusion, when I told them what happened,
they agreed, you know, they were like, don't worry, man, we'll take care of you.
We don't want you to be put out.
So they covered the cost for me.
Well, that's cool.
ian crossland
That was cool.
tim pool
Shout out to Fusion.
ian crossland
I mean, while they existed.
Who runs that company?
Nobody.
tim pool
Gone.
ian crossland
Who ran it while you were there?
tim pool
I'm not gonna name any names.
ian crossland
Sounds like cool dudes.
I know you had a tumultuous time there.
tim pool
It was the president of the company.
ian crossland
Cool, man.
tim pool
The president and the CEO.
ian crossland
Gotta take care of your employees.
tim pool
I was like, you know, look, I just left Vice and I had insurance.
And these four days before I started with you guys, I'm apparently not covered.
I didn't realize this.
I thought it was gonna transfer over.
And they were like, no, no, no, no.
You don't worry at all.
We got it.
We'll take care of you.
luke rudkowski
Anything I need to do, I literally go to Mexico.
And they have better service, way better prices.
And they take care of you.
I mean, I had dental work done in the United States.
I had it done in Croatia, Colombia, Poland.
Way better service.
One-tenth of the cost.
And just every... I mean, I remember being in Colombia.
Literally.
I don't know if I should get into some of the details here.
tim pool
Uh, but frog venom injected into your scars.
luke rudkowski
That was Mexico.
That was Mexico.
That was when I did combo on my YouTube channel.
And if you want to see me puke and do other stuff that are pretty interesting, check out combo.
What was that like?
It was intense and it was absolutely crazy.
And yes, you could see that type of stuff on my channel, but In Colombia, they literally had these huge massage chairs.
They had a neck pillow.
They had collagen lip masks.
They had this desensitizer that they put in your mouth to numb your mouth before they do any work that you didn't even feel the needle.
It was this new vibration technology.
I love it.
I was like, OK, we're going to numb you now.
They did it.
I'm like, when are you going to numb me?
And then they're like, we already did.
I'm like, what?
This is insane.
They had a huge television, not on the side, but literally in the ceiling.
They gave me a remote.
They gave me these proper headphones.
They had the most beautiful, gorgeous nurses you could ever imagine walking in.
Oh, hey, senor.
Can we help you?
Oh, you want something to drink?
Whatever you want.
They had an open bar.
And then one tenth of the cost with work that was absolutely beautifully done in places like Columbia.
unidentified
Is that free market or is that universal system?
luke rudkowski
I paid for it.
I forgot exactly the exact system that they have there because I've been doing medical tourism for a number of reasons.
tim pool
Lefty's telling me everybody's got universal health care.
So how about that?
ian crossland
Is there like insurance companies that will cover you no matter where you go in the world?
luke rudkowski
Well, if it's urgent, yes.
But a lot of insurance companies are scams.
So I mean, whether it's, you know, the extra insurance you get, there's always little provisions.
There's always little things and there's always surprises that kind of catch you.
Lydia, you look like you have something to say.
lydia smith
So I worked in a hospital for a while and I really started to think.
So the first thing that Luke told me when I told him that I was sick, he's like, we're going to go to Mexico.
luke rudkowski
I was like, you're crazy.
lydia smith
And he's like, yeah, no, that's actually a thing.
And I was like, oh, maybe so, because the U.S.
health care system I know is an absolute sham.
You're absolutely correct.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
lydia smith
And I do think that the American health insurance system really is a scam, too, because they're a little bit like the American college system in that they jack up their prices to meet what the insurance company will pay.
That's a problem.
The insurance company will pay whatever they ask.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And then my insurance, I had insurance, and they wouldn't cover any of my dental work.
And I'm like, what do you do with that?
Why am I paying for insurance?
You're not even going to cover my work.
Literally, so happy in Colombia.
Beautiful country.
And an interesting fact about Colombia, they actually have the same record amount of cocaine production like they did in the 80s, but with huge dramatic reductions of violence.
So they're trying to make it tourist friendly.
unidentified
And this is where we make the cocaine!
luke rudkowski
So, record cocaine production and the most increased amount of peace that Colombia has had in a very long time.
So, a lot of amazing history, a very beautiful place.
tim pool
I know tons of people.
I know people from the suburbs of Chicago who are middle class, and they'll be like, yo, what up?
And I'm like, oh, I'm going to Mexico for vacation.
Oh no, I'm getting dental work done.
I know too many people that tell me that because they're like, the amount of money it costs you to fly there, And then the amount for the dental work is cheaper than going to a dentist in America.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
ian crossland
Sounds like bad American business.
Sounds like they're outsourcing jobs and, you know, maybe that's free trade and we gotta... So it's connected to like the education industry that charges insane rates for a person to go become a dentist.
They gotta spend six to eight years or whatever, go to medical school, spend hundreds of thousands of dollars.
That's even questionable whether you actually need all that schooling or if you just need the real-world ability to do it.
tim pool
I got a wisdom tooth pulled by this dude who didn't seem like he knew what he was doing.
ian crossland
Anybody who probably went to school and still didn't really know what he was doing.
tim pool
He's like, that one's in there!
He took a chisel and he's like, WACK!
ian crossland
So yeah, you can go to school and just kind of breeze your way through and still not know what you're doing.
So it's weird that all you need is a piece of paper and then you can officially become a doctor.
Obviously you've got to have a real ability, but A doctor, they don't study health and fitness necessarily, they just study medicine.
lydia smith
So if you're a DO, a doctor of osteopath, you study everything that somebody needs to actually be healthy.
If you're an MD, you study only the things that are wrong with people, which I can understand being an issue because people complain about only seeing the things that are wrong with people.
So I think your question might be with DOs or with MDs.
ian crossland
It's such a massive overhaul of the system that we need to do.
If we want to make the medical industry not charge a million dollars to the insurance agency, which has these kids by the balls who are like dentists and doctors.
tim pool
It's not so easy, though, because you've got millions of jobs tied into that.
And overhauling, that would mean terminating those jobs.
ian crossland
It's a lot of parasitic jobs, but it's still jobs.
That's so weird.
So they're like, sorry, it's already there.
Sorry it's damaging you.
What are we going to do?
tim pool
You know, I guess the challenge is ignorance and ideology.
If you can go and look at how good the system works in a different country, and then, you know, a lot of people on the left will try to extrapolate data and say, look, we could do it here when the populations are dramatically different and the resource availability is very different.
It's hard to do.
It's hard to do.
It's hard to figure out how we actually fix this broken system.
A lot of people say let the free market decide and it would solve everything.
The left disagrees and they think you've got to have hard regulations.
luke rudkowski
We already have hard regulations.
tim pool
No, no, no.
So what they think is you've got to mix an amalgam of private and regulation mashed together in a weird way that doesn't work properly.
And I think that's true.
Like trying to have a private health insurance system, but regulated to the point where it doesn't function properly, just gives us a broken system.
So I'm kind of like, pick one.
I don't care.
You know what I mean?
Pick one and then we'll start there and try and fix it.
lydia smith
That's what's happening in the U.S.
because we have like a lot of different components.
We're not fully socialized.
We're not fully capitalistic.
It's just a mess and it's a huge problem for everyone who has to use it, which is like literally everyone.
You have to like go to the doctor at some point.
You have to go to the ER at some point.
And every time it's like a huge bill on you.
And it's like, what, what a mess between the insurance company and the actual hospital.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Get a checkup, check your blood levels.
tim pool
I'd like, so we, we, we started this segment talking about Joe Biden and he was rescinding this, uh, here's the tweet.
Mary Vaught says Biden reversed Trump's executive order to reduce pricing for insulin and epinephrine.
Democrats want higher insulin prices from Bloomberg government.
Well, you get what you get when you vote for Joe Biden.
But my friends, there's also another story we have where we can talk about what you get when you vote for the likes of Bernie Sanders, or not so much Bernie, but those who would push policies like Bernie.
Take a look at this here image.
Why we got good ol' Bernie Sanders.
And he's sitting in a little chair and he's got these big ol' mittens on.
And this photo became a very viral meme.
It is Bernie Sanders at the inauguration.
He's kind of just like, ugh, what's it over with?
And a lot of people mention those mittens were just so awesome.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
tim pool
Amazing mittens, right?
Right, Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah, they were beautiful.
tim pool
Beautiful mittens.
What if I were to tell you that you will never be able to get those mittens?
ian crossland
You fascist.
tim pool
No.
Socialist.
You know why?
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
The woman who made those mittens went out of business because the taxes were too high and it destroyed her business.
unidentified
Wow.
Ironic.
tim pool
What?
unidentified
Yup.
tim pool
The story from The Federalist.
Woman behind Bernie Sanders' iconic mittens quit making them because high taxes killed her business.
luke rudkowski
How ironic.
unidentified
Yup.
luke rudkowski
That this happened.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like a fire truck on fire.
The guy who advocates for higher taxes is wearing the mittens of someone who can't make them anymore because taxes destroy their business.
I'd like to give a round of applause again.
You know, look, there's an appropriate middle ground, there's negotiations, and there's a way to move forward, but I think we see too much on the left is zealotry.
Zealotry in the sense where it's like, we didn't plan this, we don't know what the results will be, but we really believe it to be true, so we're gonna do it anyway.
And so then you get this.
Federalist says the Vermont school teacher who made Bernie Sanders mittens featured in the most recent viral meme said she had to stop making them after the federal government taxed her too much.
People have been contacting me thinking they can get mittens, and actually they can't.
I don't have any more.
I don't have much of a mitten business anymore because it really wasn't worth it.
Jen Ellis explained to Slate, independent crafters get really taken for a ride by the federal government.
We get taxed to the nth degree, and it really, it wasn't really worth it pursuing that as a business, even as a side hustle.
lydia smith
Oh man!
luke rudkowski
Oh wow!
unidentified
Talk about a punch in the gut.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
You know, we've talked about it a lot.
A lot of conservatives do, free market capitalist types.
If you tax people too much, there's no incentive to actually do anything.
Why do it?
ian crossland
Yep.
unidentified
What do you get?
ian crossland
I kind of live that life, man.
I'm just skating right now because I don't want to deal with it.
tim pool
The taxes?
ian crossland
Yeah.
The whole system is so annoying.
They just want to take, take, take, regulate this, regulate that, like the paperwork.
I mean, I guess you will hire someone else to do that stuff for you, which is great.
I guess if you get to that point, Maybe, but you still gotta pay attention.
If someone's handling your finances, it's their finances.
So you still have to maintain your finances.
That's a good lesson that Kanye West talks about.
He's his own COO or CFO.
luke rudkowski
While many people make the argument that taxes are all about controlling and keeping people in line, how can you not believe that when the government literally prints money?
But yet we're still supposed to be given a portion of our income if we could still magically earn it.
If immigration didn't take it, if oversee visas didn't take it, we somehow magically are able to sustain for ourselves and we still have to give a huge cut to the government that is going to spend it on most likely war?
I mean, are you kidding me?
tim pool
You see, look, when we talk about taxes, the left and the right usually have the wrong conversation.
I love the who will build the roads conversation with libertarians, right?
So a lot of people on the left, when talking with ANCAPs and Libertarians, say, but who will pay for the roads?
And then you actually get an argument.
And the Libertarians will say, it's going to be a private company who maintains the roads, and maybe there will be a toll.
And I'm sitting there going like, uh-huh, uh-huh.
Let me ask you the real question.
Who's going to bomb the kids?
Who's going to blow the kids up?
Oh, guess what?
Nobody.
Because there's no incentive in any market to do it.
I'm not a laissez-faire capitalist, mind you.
Okay?
You know, I think there's problems with the overgrowth of monopolies and monopolistic power.
And I know a lot of people in the super chats often disagree, but I will tell you one thing.
The question should be not who will build the roads.
I'll tell you this.
I will take no road.
You can give me dirt.
I will crawl through rocks.
If it means we're not paying for the blowing up of people in foreign countries, which I don't like.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I'll gladly take an off-road vehicle if it means not having roads, if we're not going to be bombing the crap out of the Middle East and sending troops all over the entire world and threatening huge geopolitical conflicts with other world powers.
Yes, I'll gladly do that in a heartbeat, and people need to understand that Michael Bloomberg, another kind of Scrooge-like individual, Has made arguments that taxes and regulations are necessary for control of the populations in order to keep them in line.
Lydia, you have something?
lydia smith
Yeah, so do you guys remember when Domino's Pizza decided to fix the potholes in the roads to deliver their pizzas better?
There's a private company.
tim pool
Who will build the roads?
Domino's Pizza will.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No they won't.
unidentified
They did.
tim pool
They literally did.
luke rudkowski
There was even an adult website that paved the roads in the Northeast after a major snowstorm because the government was having trouble doing it.
So, you know, there's a lot of stories of people coming to each other's needs, helping each other out without the
involvement of a middleman.
When you have a middleman, that's when you have government.
When you have people solving each other's problems, working with each other, bartering,
trading, that's called anarchy.
And we have a lot of anarchy that no one really wants to kind of admit.
tim pool
You know what really bothers me too?
You know the government's not even really that good at blowing up kids?
Private security forces are way better at killing civilians.
luke rudkowski
Well, they spend a lot of money on it, especially when you look at the coffers, when you look at the budgets, when you see the trillions of dollars missing in the Pentagon, you're like, wait, where did this money go?
These other guys have flip-flops.
These other guys have literal cloth on that's not even made as proper clothing.
And if they're lucky, they have an AK.
But we have to send hundreds of thousands of dollars at one missile to blow them up.
Why?
Somewhere thousands of thousands of miles away from us.
Why?
This doesn't make any sense.
lydia smith
So I think this is a classic case of when you give people money, they will rise to meet whatever you will give them.
Because I found this to be the case with military budgeting.
So with the planes and stuff, they're like, well, we won't charge this much unless they'll pay this much.
Like Donald Trump found that the plane makers would make planes for like one half the cost.
They're like, well, we were just making planes because this is what they would give us.
I'm like, that's capitalism for you.
But at the same time, it's like if the government subsidizes it, that's an issue.
tim pool
That's not capitalism.
It's socialism.
Yeah, when the government says we're going to be... Listen.
You should think about money in terms of buying power and access to resources and not... You know, people think about money, think about a number.
unidentified
$100, $500, $1,000.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Think about what you can get for it.
If you make $15 an hour, I don't care.
I don't care.
Listen.
Right now you got all these lefties saying, we should get $15 an hour, living wage.
Okay?
So here's what the government's done.
You will get your raise.
Quick, print money to reduce their buying power so they don't actually get anything.
If you can only buy, you know, let's say $15 buys you a pair of blue jeans, and then they give you a raise of $15 an hour, but then increase the cost of blue jeans to $30, you didn't get a raise.
You just think you did.
And that's a brilliant way to keep people dumb and happy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I got a big raise!
luke rudkowski
Well, there's a reason a lot of the top billionaires call for more taxes and more regulations because it kills and squeezes out their competitors.
Anyone who's willing to compete against them, anyone who could defeat them, anyone who could overcome them, is burdened with all these other things that they have to deal with when these guys could just skate right through it.
It's no issue for them.
It's not a problem for them, but everyone else is going to be struggling.
There's a picture of this pool, and it's showing a little small business, and it's showing an adult in there.
The adult is Amazon.
It's all these other top big companies, and then the little kids are small businesses, and it's a pool, and they're drowning in it, and the water are regulations and taxes.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So that's essentially what's happening now.
And sadly, this poor lady, I mean, those mittens look pretty cool.
They look really nice.
But sadly, people are going to have to go to Amazon to get their Chinese made mittens by the Uyghur Muslim population, most likely, according to my own personal opinion.
They're incentivized.
tim pool
You ever see those things where like someone will buy a box of like, I don't know, combs, and they open it with a note saying, I'm trapped in a factory in China, please save me?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I have not seen that.
tim pool
Yeah, you've never seen those before?
Yeah, because people working in the factories are essentially slaves and they'll write like, please save us, and they'll put it in the box hoping somebody gets it.
ian crossland
There's news stories with pictures of that stuff.
luke rudkowski
But the current system that we're living on leaves us no choice but to go to Amazon because there's no other place to potentially buy mittens made by the average person, the average human being, the average entrepreneur that is trying to make their way in this really complex, really hard economically hit United States.
ian crossland
It's so funny because I could make mittens and give them to you.
But if I make mittens and sell them to you, government's like, hey, we want 35% of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And on top of that, sales tax in certain states.
I mean, are you kidding me?
tim pool
You ready for this?
From Vox.com.
You buy a purse at Walmart.
There's a note inside from a Chinese prisoner.
Now what?
You were right, Luke!
You said, what store?
You said Amazon, though.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Amazon.
unidentified
Walmart.
tim pool
And it was Chinese prisoners.
Tracing a mysterious message across the world to understand how what we buy is made.
They say, When Crystal Wallace found a piece of paper folded up at the bottom of her purse in March 2017, she threw it in the trash.
She hadn't yet used the maroon bag made by Walmart and purchased from one of its Arizona stores a month months ago.
But after a few minutes, she got curious.
She took the paper out of the wastebasket, unfolding the sheet to reveal a message scrawled in Mandarin Chinese.
Translated, it read, Inmates in China's Yingshan Prison work 14 hours a day and are not allowed to rest at noon.
We have to work overtime until midnight.
People are beaten for not finishing their work.
There's no salt and oil in our meals.
The boss pays 2,000 won every month for the prison to offer better food, but the food is all consumed by the prison guards.
Sick inmates have to pay for their own pills.
Prisoners in China cannot be compared to prisoners in the United States.
Horse, cow, goat, pig, dog.
Crystal's daughter-in-law, Loris Wallace, posted a photo of the note to Facebook on April 23rd.
The post first went viral locally, getting shared and liked several hundred times, mostly by fellow Arizonans.
After a few days, local media picked it up, and the story eventually goes viral.
Here's today's Huffington Post, etc.
One video report on the incident accumulated 2.9 million views.
So there you go.
luke rudkowski
How else do you think these items are so cheap?
Why do you think they're so cheap?
It's just crazy and mind-boggling to understand how this entire system works, how it's incentivized, and yet we turn a blind eye to it and totally ignore it.
tim pool
But Luke, you have these wonderful shoes and these pants and all these clothes and the goods.
luke rudkowski
We're all hypocrites.
tim pool
They're made by slaves.
luke rudkowski
Most of them.
tim pool
I think I will try a lot harder to make sure the stuff I'm getting made is being made fair trade.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm wondering about the Teespring, who their third party is that they mentioned.
tim pool
Teespring?
It's American, it is.
So they actually printed a shirt and showed me in real time.
So they have their own, you know, manufacturing, but the shirts themselves may come from overseas.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I've heard that argument over and over again about sweatshops where these industrialists are like, well, they make a quarter an hour, but they'd be making a dime an hour if they were, you know, working on a farm.
So it's a good job for them.
I'm like, yeah, but you're also taking jobs away from Americans and extracting our economy.
So, you know what happens with all of this trade and what's going on with these slaves?
The cheap labor means that when you have 10 bucks and you buy that product, almost all of it goes to some ultra-wealthy billionaire type.
A tiny fraction goes to the Chinese government, of which they use it to barely sustain the lives of these prisoners.
Your money is being siphoned away by the ultra-wealthy, who then lobby for laws to make sure you don't ever compete with them.
lydia smith
So what you're saying is that they're extracting from you to prop up this cobweb and matchstick government or like economy in China.
That sounds great.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what?
Maybe there needs to be some kind of like call to action for regular people.
Something like, I don't know, what would represent this?
Like not the managers or the bosses, but maybe like the working people, like the workers.
And maybe everyone around the world should come together and like, we could come up with a slogan.
Maybe like workers of the world unite.
How about that?
I'm kidding, by the way.
luke rudkowski
I think I heard that somewhere.
tim pool
Where did I hear that from?
No, it really is a shame that Workers of the World United is associated with communism, though.
ian crossland
That's Lenin's thing?
Is that one of his rallying calls?
tim pool
It's a communism thing.
It's like Workers of the World United.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there definitely needs to be more collective bargaining.
There's definitely not enough with that.
I mean, we hear horror stories, not just in China, but also local factories in the United States when it comes to Amazon warehouses.
tim pool
Halt, sir.
We need more decentralization.
We shouldn't have these massive monopolies like Amazon controlling everything.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should unite, but it's just how you unite is the key.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
We should decentralize.
ian crossland
Maybe.
A unified decentralization sounds pretty legit.
tim pool
Yeah, if we didn't have Amazon, Walmart, Target, and these big box stores being allowed to stay open because the government is propping them up while shutting down small businesses, you know, if we had small mom-and-pop shops that were all over the place, that's the kind of decentralization we need.
Instead, they're centralizing everything.
It's only a matter of time before Amazon does everything.
Literally everything.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and they're lecturing us about social justice and LGBTQ issues and about what's...
tim pool
There's so many we gotta start making skits cuz I have some really great ideas of like Just like an ultra wealthy guy counting hundred dollar bills, and then he looks at he looks like it's the coal miner and goes Racist it's counting his money again We gotta get Ryan Long and Tim Dillon on and then bring them here for a weekend And then just do a crap ton of skits in front of the green screen You ever see the comic where there's like a middle-class guy with a few cookies and And then there's an ultra-rich guy with a huge plate of cookies, and he's yelling and pointing at the poor guy with no cookie, and the middle-class guy's looking angry at the poor guy.
And I'm like, you could make the exact same comic if you changed the races of the people who are looking at each other.
Because all they've done is once they realized, people, workers of the world were actually kind of uniting.
Not in a communistic way, but against the establishment.
This was Occupy Wall Street.
So they threw in identity politics to make everybody fight each other.
And it works so perfectly.
luke rudkowski
They started obsessing about it on the mainstream media and in the culture, and they started
pushing this narrative, and everyone followed, and everyone got their little talking points,
and they repeated them perfectly.
And as you said, it worked, but I think there's also an element pushing it through the algorithms
to make it seem like it works more effectively than we realize.
So I think there's also the gaming of perception that is happening that is also an important
aspect to understand here, because when we're looking at the timelines, when we're looking
at the algorithms, it's usually the most radicalist, the most craziest, the most insane stuff highlighted
to us, and that's the perception that people get of other leftists or other people on the
right.
And I think that also is based on an illusion that is perpetrated.
Take a look at the story about the people in Germany being put in either refugee camps or in detention in hospitals.
drives you further into those kind of ideologies.
tim pool
Take a look at the story about the people in Germany being put in either refugee camps
or in detention in hospitals.
And some of the people, some of our friends were saying that their lefty friends couldn't
find any of those stories.
And so I've actually encountered this and maybe you guys listening have as well.
I have a ton of friends who are very, very, very lefty, some social justice warriors.
We argue all the time, but we've been friends for a lot longer than the culture wars existed, so we kind of just move on with our lives.
But there have been times where I've been like, wow, did you hear about X?
And they'll say, that's not true.
And I'll say, Google it.
And they'll be like, there's nothing here.
And they'll try and Google it, but they don't see anything because of the algorithmic feeding of information.
So I'll have to send them a link.
And then finally, like, push that story into their bubble, and then Google will start algorithmically feeding it, Facebook will start.
But it's probably true that, like, if you go to r slash politics on Reddit, it is all left-wing agenda.
It's like, Donald Trump is bad, Bernie Sanders is good.
If you go on Reddit, it's, like, it's remarkable how early on in, you know, 2015-16, Donald Trump posts, pro-Trump posts, were dominating Reddit.
Now it's AOC posts.
Like, she's literally the same thing as Donald Trump.
luke rudkowski
And cats.
tim pool
Their politics are different.
Cats, yes.
No, you'll see more AOC posts than cat posts.
I'm not kidding.
In fact, when I go to r slash all, no algorithm, it's just all the posts, there'll be like two or three posts.
There's like, there's r slash AOC, there's r slash murdered by AOC, then there's like r slash our president and progressive, and it's always a tweet from AOC going like, Republicans are trash!
They're so trash, I'm so smart.
Things like that.
lydia smith
Tim, Tim, Tim, I'm sure this is because the only people in the world are leftists who all agree with AOC.
I'm sure this is the case.
ian crossland
Top post on Reddit.
Reddit.com.
Hot, popular.
What brings the worst out in people?
That's the question.
It's just the most popular thing on Reddit right now.
They want to talk about that stuff.
That's fine.
luke rudkowski
Well, I remember last time it was Charlie Kirk as a white supremacist and I don't even like Charlie Kirk but I think calling him that is extremely disingenuous and fake and extremely hyperbolic and sensational that leads to the destruction of our language and from any rational political discourse.
And I remember a long time ago when Reddit was this free-flowing, amazing place, and you would get really interesting wonders and interesting creations, and now it's just more and more political, just like everything.
Like, can we not just be political all the time?
Can we stop that?
YouTube, you know, can you just focus on maybe creating a video platform rather than playing politics?
Same could be said for music, for art, it's just like... So I pulled up Reddit.
tim pool
I'm on r slash all.
All posts.
First post.
Nothing to do with politics.
What is it?
It's a freezer full of mold.
ian crossland
Oh, good.
tim pool
Or something.
Second post.
ian crossland
The real things that matter.
tim pool
No politics.
Third post.
No politics.
Fourth post.
ian crossland
Giving me hope.
tim pool
Three-act MAGA tragedy.
It's a woman complaining about Trump.
Fifth post.
Joe Biden's executive order is going to help unemployment and blah blah blah.
Pro-Biden.
Political.
So that's four and five political.
ian crossland
And these are by upvotes?
tim pool
Yeah, like the most upvoted.
Then we have another post.
So number six is not political.
Seven is not political.
Number eight, Biden press secretary Jen Psaki is not playing.
When asked why Biden wasn't prioritizing Republican issues in the name of unity, she said, is unemployment insurance not a Republican priority?
Are schools opening safely not a Republican priority?
Oh, smack.
unidentified
Oh, snap.
ian crossland
It's moderated, right?
tim pool
The next post, pro-Bernie Sanders meme.
The next post is not political, not political, and not political, and then not political.
So, there we go.
ian crossland
The next post.
tim pool
The next post is political.
The next post is arguing against unity.
The next post is political.
ian crossland
It's all pro-Democrat.
tim pool
I should say pro-Democrat.
ian crossland
Are they moderating that, right?
tim pool
Like, the moderators will go in and... Well, they banned the Donald because the Donald was too popular.
So, I would say, what do we have now?
About 50% have been pro-Democrat.
Here's another one.
I was talking about 35.
Not the Onion.
Capitol rioters express regret after not getting pardoned.
The next post is anti-Donald Trump, pro-Hunter Biden.
It's just nonstop.
It's just nonstop.
Every other post is just pro-Democrat.
ian crossland
Political.
tim pool
The time Ted Cruz got bamboozled.
Texas deserves better, says a woman.
It's endless.
unidentified
Endless.
ian crossland
It's reality TV.
tim pool
No, it's all pro-democrat.
ian crossland
People getting in there talking about politics is reality TV.
It's like the modern day reality TV.
luke rudkowski
Well, it used to be about comedy.
It used to be about creation.
It used to be about art.
It used to be about just wonders that you wouldn't find anywhere.
Travel photos and interesting facts that you wouldn't get anywhere else.
Useful tips.
And now it's just cultism.
It denigrated to cultism, as you say, and it's sad.
tim pool
If you want to go to a forum dedicated to Donald Trump, I wouldn't call that cultism.
If you want to go to a forum dedicated to AOC, I wouldn't call that cultism.
If the entirety of the website is dominated by people just mindlessly upvoting the same pro-Democrat stuff,
now you're getting yourself some kind of problem.
To be fair, it's probably paid companies.
Democratic organizations probably hire people to astroturf and sockpuppet on Reddit
to make people think that it's pro-Democrat, and then what they do is they lobby Reddit to ban
conservatives, which they've done over and over and over again.
So there you go. Welcome to the new era.
lydia smith
So when they do this, can you blame conservatives for really wanting there to be a space
where people just agree with them for a change?
Yeah, exactly!
tim pool
Like, I don't know.
Well, Parler's gone.
They got exploded.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't want to do the identity politics stuff anymore.
I want neutral platforms.
tim pool
I think it's not gonna happen, man.
luke rudkowski
I just want a Reddit that used to be Reddit, you know?
I want a YouTube that was just YouTube and just focused on helping people create videos.
Helping people express themselves.
tim pool
And they don't do that anymore.
unidentified
You now have communities.win, which is a bunch of different, you know, exiled communities.
V-O-A-T?
tim pool
You had vote for a while when Reddit started banning a bunch of, you know, different types of...
Like, I think fat people hate got banned, and it was where people just rag on fat people all day.
So they got banned and then vote was very similar to Reddit, and then they had their own, you know, thing.
ian crossland
V-O-A-T, vote.
tim pool
Yeah, but then vote got dominated by a bunch of the exiled alt-right types, and so then the media attacked them.
Now you...
Now you have communities.win.
.win is interesting because they're like individual websites, just like somewhat networked.
It's an open source code, I believe.
I think the solution is going to have to be something like the Fediverse, a decentralized social media network.
ian crossland
Yeah, because you're always going to have moderators that have political agendas.
And even no matter how famous your company is, you'll eventually one day sell it.
And then some new moderators with new agendas will have it.
luke rudkowski
Or just stop editorializing.
Have a code of conduct, right?
Have a basic set of rules that are based on the laws.
And if someone breaks a law, let the law handle it.
Or you could personally handle it.
But when you editorialize something, you bastardize it, you manipulate it.
And this is why live streams were so popular.
Back in the day, especially when we were doing political live streams, it was unedited.
It was live.
We didn't make sure people saw certain stuff and didn't see certain stuff.
Everything was shown as is.
It was real life and people love that.
They enjoy that.
tim pool
I still remember when we met at Occupy Wall Street.
You know, I was this very famous and prominent streamer and Luke was was was was
And then and then I saw Luke and I said Luke is huge and I saw Luke and I said hey kid catch
And I threw him a phone, and he went, Aw, gee, thanks, Mean Joe Tim!
lydia smith
Is this what happened?
tim pool
And then Luke started streaming, and that was just how it started.
ian crossland
That's the story.
tim pool
I'm kidding.
Luke had a really big channel.
I was some random guy.
luke rudkowski
You never produced a video when I met you.
tim pool
That's not true.
I had several YouTube channels.
luke rudkowski
Well, you never were into politics or news when I met you.
Right, they were skateboarding videos.
Yeah, you were doing skateboarding, but you were never into politics, and you were like, What am I doing?
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
I have been in politics my whole life.
I wasn't producing videos of politics, I was producing videos of skateboarding.
luke rudkowski
No one knew who the Beanie Man was.
tim pool
There was a reason why I went to Occupy Wall Street, because I was paying attention.
ian crossland
Had you beanied up at Occupy?
tim pool
Of course.
Yeah, yeah, always.
And I got featured in an El Salvadorian magazine, I think, was like the first coverage, because they saw me working and they were like, who's this guy?
And I started live streaming through mobile.
It was very, very, you know, preliminary.
And it was like, what was it, 144p?
The streams were like just totally grainy garbage.
And then I met Luke.
Luke had a huge channel, 50,000 subscribers.
And when I met Luke, he was like, dude, I got 50,000 subscribers.
I was like, whoa.
Like, this channel's huge.
luke rudkowski
Yep, and then we were arguing, and we were at some debate forum, and then I was like, I like the arguments you're making here, and we just kind of like stuck around each other.
tim pool
So I met some lady who was like, you should meet this guy, you know, he's got 50,000 subscribers.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, who was that lady?
tim pool
I don't remember.
ian crossland
Shout out to that lady.
Was it We Are Change?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
Were you streaming through YouTube?
luke rudkowski
I wasn't streaming.
YouTube didn't have it.
It was Ustream.
And I remember still making YouTube videos at the time with the big DSLR, having to run home, having to put in the SD card.
I remember during the raid of Occupy Wall Street, I was inside.
ian crossland
Oh, you stayed that night.
luke rudkowski
And I tried to go live, but there was some kind of interference.
There was something going on.
Too many people.
Well that and and also everyone was kicked out of there and they brought in these like weird, uh, you know trucks and these I was satellites And I was inside and I didn't have a signal from you as soon as I was kicked out No, I was inside because they set up a perimeter and like you were outside the perimeter Like 50 feet away, bro.
tim pool
I'm saying your cell phone should have worked.
ian crossland
But you think they created like a zone of dead space or something?
luke rudkowski
And people were getting the crap beat out of them.
The police officers literally brought in these huge tools and they were cutting the metal that people were tied to on the inside.
People were just getting clubbed left and right.
People were getting just thrown around, shoved around wildly.
And I remember like, why can't I film this live?
And I remember doing the DSLR footage.
Josh Gordon-Levitt was actually there.
I interviewed him right outside of the thing.
I was able to escape the police.
lydia smith
The actor?
luke rudkowski
Joseph?
Yes, yes.
And I met Joseph Gordon-Levitt, interviewed him.
I saw Tim.
Tim was live streaming.
And then I'm like, I got to go home to edit this video because my cell phone died mysteriously.
And I remember six o'clock in the morning, I'm editing and then Tim pulls live with like three million viewers.
tim pool
For 22 hours.
luke rudkowski
And I'm like, I made the wrong decision here.
And then you had people literally coming to you, bringing you batteries.
tim pool
And food.
luke rudkowski
And food.
tim pool
I was awake.
I didn't go to sleep.
I was up for over 22 hours streaming.
And there was a point where I was live streaming.
I couldn't open my hand because I was holding an umbrella.
ian crossland
Was that your big break?
Like, is that the moment that you exploded onto the mainstream?
tim pool
Kind of.
luke rudkowski
I would say a hundred percent.
I mean, we're talking about millions.
Your feed was on all All the mainstream media channels.
tim pool
Like 250 million views.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
But it was a blip.
ian crossland
Sweet.
tim pool
It went up and right back down.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was the night.
tim pool
And I had a bunch of these flavor of the month offers where they were like, write a book, join this TV show.
And I basically was like, nah, nah, nah.
Give me guarantees, give me guarantees.
Now this news, the famous lefty, they tried hiring me as their third person, as their main first correspondent or whatever.
I was like, nah.
Because what I wanted to do was I wanted to run my own thing and slowly build up a proof of a career Everybody saw that massive spike and they knew they could latch on to what I had done for some instant PR I told him to go f off and then a year later.
I went to vice and said hey look I'm still working.
It's still I'm still working what I'm doing is still working we've gotten way more press and they said I like I like how that sounds and Google wanted me to do stuff on YouTube.
They wanted me to, like, create this methodology and this technology, and so when Vice found out, and they found out I wanted to work for them, then they were like, hey Google, you know that guy you were trying to get?
We hired him.
What are you gonna give us?
And then Google was like, okay, let us know what you want.
And then I worked for Vice for a while, and then I went over for Disney, and then, you know, here we are.
ian crossland
Do you guys remember at Occupy, a couple nights before they raided the park, um, or it might have been a week before, Bank of America just all of a sudden decided to start doing street work.
Street construction, right outside the park.
Across the street from, you know, Bank of America is right across the street from Zuccotti.
tim pool
Yeah, you mean, you mean Chase?
ian crossland
I thought it was Bank of America.
tim pool
Right after Occupy started, Chase did lobby construction and barricaded off the entire plaza.
ian crossland
They started doing street construction.
Like drills and jackhammers.
luke rudkowski
Brown Brothers and Harriman was also out there as well.
ian crossland
And they were just trying to get people to leave the park because of the noise.
It was insidious.
tim pool
I remember that the police would park their cars next to the park at like 3 in the morning and then just go Yeah.
And then flash their lights on to people and then it was it was like I
Think that what they were trying to do was like it's like it's it's a form of torture
Yeah, the goal was to sleep deprive people and trick and like metric them but like force them into leaving
luke rudkowski
I think there was officer Lombardo who literally wasn't it was at a guard at Gitmo literally there
Three o'clock in the morning kicking people putting flashlights in their face
Just waking up random people And I remember filming him, and he had this huge obsession with me, where he literally followed me everywhere I went.
So I went on a 10-block walk, and he just started walking right beside me, just looking at me.
tim pool
Well, so there was hipster cop remember hipster. I remember hipster cop
So I remember he was like Tim and he walked over and shook my hand. It's like I followed your streams
It's really good stuff. I think you're being fair and I was like look if I was there for that. I remember
Yeah, I was like if the cops are hitting somebody I'm gonna film it if the protesters are hitting some in a filament
luke rudkowski
He goes, it's all we ask. I remember there was an undercover cop and people were like, hey, he's an
undercover cop I'm like, wait, what's going on here?
And I just started filming randomly.
The undercover cop comes and he jabs me right in my stomach.
And he walks away and I'm like, you son of a... And he jumped over the barricades.
And I'm like, that's it.
tim pool
You son of a... The barricades were the police barricades.
You weren't allowed to cross them.
So this guy outed himself as an undercover cop.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, by punching me in the gut, jumping the barricades.
I jumped the barricades and I went right in his face.
I was like, you son of a gun.
And I was like, you know, and I just started going off at him and I was like, officers, this man assaulted me.
I want to press charges.
And none of them would do anything.
And he was walking three blocks and I was screaming at him.
And then later, of course, obviously.
He came behind the official police lines and other police officers like I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I got him on camera assaulting me and I wasn't even trying to do anything.
I was just filming there randomly.
So yeah, I got a couple batons there.
That wasn't my only rough up with the police there.
But there was also one incident that I remember.
Huge scuffles are happening.
This is the one time that Occupy Wall Street was actually able to get on Wall Street.
That was their big thing.
It didn't achieve anything, but it was a symbolic gesture.
There's huge fights, huge clashes.
I'm right in the middle of it, and then the officers are like, I know you.
You're Luke.
unidentified
I love your stuff.
luke rudkowski
You're great, man.
Keep it up.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
tim pool
There was one time where everybody marched to... Who was the mayor at the time?
Was it Bloomberg?
luke rudkowski
I think it was Bloomberg, yeah.
tim pool
They went to the mayor's house, and there was a bunch of cops.
What they would do is the cops would walk just off the curb to keep the protesters on the sidewalk.
And I'm walking and filming, and then there's this regular beat cop, and he goes, Hey!
Tim Pool!
And I was like, Hey!
And he's like, Hey!
And he reached his hand out and shook my hand, and I'm like, Ah, jeez, dude.
In front of all the far lefties.
luke rudkowski
This is bad optics.
tim pool
So I shook his hand, and I was like, Hey.
He's like, I like what you're doing, man.
You're being fair about it.
And I was like, Yeah, no problem.
And then the leftists were like, He's on the side of the cops!
unidentified
He's a cop!
tim pool
This proves it!
And then Occupy Wall Street tweeted that one day when I got attacked.
So we told the story the other day, I got attacked.
And then Luke pulled the guy's mask off.
Occupy Wall Street immediately tweeted, Tim Pool just tried helping a cop arrest somebody.
And a bunch of the other activists who ran that, who knew I wasn't a cop, were like, what are you doing?
And then deleted the tweet.
But it got screenshot and started getting shared around.
And then all the crazy lefties were like, whoa, Tim Pool was trying to help arrest somebody?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
When in reality, I got hit.
And that was it.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I got hit.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
You got hit.
Me and my friend, me and my friend jumped in and then the cops came and they let the guy go who beat you up.
So the guy ran away.
tim pool
And then you posted his face.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
And then no one ever found him.
luke rudkowski
Well, it was, it was, there's a lot of things that, you know, that happened in that little scuffle.
unidentified
A lot going on.
tim pool
So the guy, like judo chopped my arm while I was holding my phone up and it hit the ground and bounced away.
And then I grabbed his arm and pulled it and then just locked onto it.
Who?
Some guy.
ian crossland
Just some random dude?
luke rudkowski
He was black blocked.
tim pool
And so I grabbed his arm and locked it and wouldn't let him go and he was struggling to get away.
Luke walked up and went boop with his mask.
Then a cop ran up and grabbed him and pushed me away and let the guy run off.
It was crazy.
So we thought the guy was like, maybe undercover or something.
Why did the cops come to save him from me?
ian crossland
They just want to stop the violence.
luke rudkowski
The cops literally ran in there, grabbed him, pulled him out, and then he ran away.
tim pool
That's it.
Well, they pulled him out of the crowd and then just let him go.
ian crossland
They probably wanted to end the violence.
Well, I don't know.
tim pool
There was no violence.
ian crossland
Well, you guys were struggling and they were like, no.
tim pool
I grabbed his arm because I didn't want there to be a fight because I knew what they would claim in the press and what they would try to do.
So I just held onto his arm and he was trying to pull away and struggle.
And then the cop ran up and grabbed us, grabbed me and pushed me away and then let the guy go.
unidentified
It was weird.
luke rudkowski
I remember going in there and pushing them, holding them down a little bit.
And I was like, well, let me see what's underneath this thing.
ian crossland
Dude, Occupy comes up a lot.
luke rudkowski
Because there's so many undercover cops that use black block tactics.
A lot of people don't know this.
There's a huge history of people.
of police officers inciting violence specifically as black block to make sure that the police
have a reason to respond and to crush any dissent whether peaceful or not.
So that's why I was always on the lookout for a black block because I knew they could
be undercover police officers because I just got beat up.
I got punched in the gut by a black block police officer.
ian crossland
Yeah, well hold on.
This brings me back to talking about getting in trouble for what your followers say and
do because your followers can be like Chinese plants.
A corporation can hire a bunch of people to become your followers to incite violence in your comment section or on your website.
And it's not your fault.
tim pool
Look, I want to point out the undercovers.
We actually knew were undercovers.
They look like cops, dude.
Most of the guy who was wearing like a blue hoodie.
luke rudkowski
And no, he was wearing a black hoodie and was trying to be, he's trying to look like,
tim pool
uh, like, uh, like, but he was like a middle-aged dude, but Bucky.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, right.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
But he was, he was everyone accused Bucky of always looking like a cop too.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Didn't he kind of go off the rails?
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
I think I saw him posting like a F Trump flag all around New York City in like these weird photos and I'm like, that's kind of weird as well.
tim pool
Those are the days, ladies and gentlemen.
Those are the old Occupy days and something magical happened.
You see the powers that be realized that people like Luke Rutkowski.
What are you?
Are you an ANCAP?
How do you describe it?
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
I'm a free human being that doesn't like labels.
I don't- I like to determine my position after hearing- Free market or cooperative market.
I believe in personal responsibility and freedom and decentralization.
tim pool
Libertarian.
unidentified
Whatever.
luke rudkowski
I don't like labels.
Okay, commie.
tim pool
Communist.
Yeah, sure.
luke rudkowski
Alright, commie.
tim pool
I made a video where it said, uh, I took my political compass test, it turns out I'm a communist.
luke rudkowski
We took the political compass test together.
tim pool
And I got libertarian socialist.
luke rudkowski
And I got libertarian.
tim pool
You got center right.
You got libertarian.
luke rudkowski
We're like right in the same position, except you're just to the left.
I'm to the right.
Yeah.
tim pool
So anyway, Occupy Wall Street brought together weirdos like Luke and weirdos like me.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's dangerous.
Yeah, it's not good.
luke rudkowski
Well, it gave us a start to be able to have a message that reached out to so many people.
I mean, we're talking about endorsements from Immortal Technique was down there.
Who else was that rapper that was down there that was at Obama's inauguration and talked about his drone bombing?
tim pool
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
What's his name?
tim pool
Common?
luke rudkowski
No, there was another one.
There were so many other celebrities and media figures and professors and intellectuals that came down there to argue.
tim pool
Alec Baldwin came down.
luke rudkowski
Lupe Fiasco was down there too.
I interviewed Lupe Fiasco.
Roseanne Barr came down.
I'm like, what the hell's going on?
I'm eating a gyro and Roseanne Barr runs up to me.
It was such a weird feeling, but it was such a collective where there was such weirdness.
It was like the internet exemplified when it was still free and it was still wild, but it was in real life.
And you got the crazies, you got the leftists, you got the right-wingers, you got the Ron Paulers, you got the libertarians, and it was beautiful.
I loved it because it was such a random thing that just hit you upside the head.
No one in the media originally was talking about it, and it only got coverage because the police officers tried to brutalize the people in a way.
tim pool
They pepper sprayed those women.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
For no reason.
luke rudkowski
And that was the kind of V for Vendetta moment that lit it on fire.
That lit this idea amongst the minds of many people that's saying if you stand there, if you just sit there in a park, the police will come and they will beat the crap out of you and they will pepper spray you.
No, no, no.
tim pool
It was four women on a street corner.
Yeah.
in the protest, and Tony Bologna walked up and just sprayed these four women for no reason.
He got reassigned to Staten Island because of it. Wasn't he like the number one, he was a top cop in
luke rudkowski
New York at the time? I believe so, yes. And then I think Lombardo took over and he was brutal.
I made a whole national geographic piece about the Lombardo.
So look up the Lombardo.
We are changed.
You're going to find a really funny video about his just utter abuse of power that we were actually able to make fun of.
He came up to me afterwards.
He was like, did you make that Lombardo video?
unidentified
You made that video.
luke rudkowski
I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, sir.
I have no clue what you're talking about.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
My friends, if you haven't already, smash the like button, hit the notification bell, subscribe, and go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're gonna have a bonus segment, and I think we're actually gonna go out and film tomorrow.
We're going to the range.
We got some guns.
We're gonna go to the range, and we're gonna have a good time, and then you can make fun of us for not being as skilled as you are when it comes to proper gun etiquette, but we will be very, very safe.
And we're gonna have these kind of bonus videos where we'll talk about what we're doing, why we're doing it, our thoughts and opinions and things.
But we're gonna do a bonus segment tonight, probably.
We'll see how it goes.
TimCast.com, become a member.
We are very close to the point where I'm really surprised, I'm really impressed, and I'm eternally grateful to everybody.
Because, you know, just going through memberships, I'm like, dude, we're probably a week away from never having to worry about YouTube ever again.
And like, honestly, Legitimately being like we should produce more for the website because the website is going to be way better and way freer and safer than YouTube so we can produce all the same content and so this is this is fantastic stuff so really really thank you.
Let's read these super chats.
Mind you we're never going anywhere we're going to keep doing the shows on YouTube because there's a balance between the free and the members only stuff and so I want to make sure that the most pressing stuff will always be free for everybody fueled by ads and super chats and things like that.
ian crossland
Heads up on the website, too.
Tech Support's been hard at work figuring out the problem with why some people weren't getting responded to, and you will be getting a response within the week.
If you don't, send another email.
tim pool
Members at TimCast.com.
ian crossland
And you won't be charged for any time if you subscribe like before and you didn't get set up because of this internal issue.
Your subscription will begin the day that it goes through.
So you'll have 30 days from, like, when you finally get set up.
So you're not going to miss time.
tim pool
And I will add, it is a small operation here with a handful of people.
We're trying to build this system.
It just launched about a week and a half, almost two weeks ago now, about a week and a half.
So we're trying to get to the point where we're as proficient and powerful as, say, the New York Times.
It's going to take time and energy.
So I respect all of your patience.
lydia smith
They're very cool.
Give them a break.
ian crossland
I will also add the people here are very intelligent.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got some super chats for everybody.
Smash that like button.
Let's read.
Matthew Hammond says, Are they going to tell us if you do not like it, you get to make your own t-shirts?
Yep.
You can make your own t-shirts.
luke rudkowski
That's what we're going to do.
tim pool
Eric Douglas says, Ian is the Eddie Bravo of the show.
And I say that with the utmost respect.
ian crossland
I love Eddie.
Look into it.
tim pool
Let's see.
Colin Peaces.
Adam Curry is jealous that his wife listens to your show more than his own show.
No agenda.
Get in touch with him.
He wants to come on the show.
unidentified
Ooh, snap.
Okay.
tim pool
Cool.
I'm not familiar.
I think I've heard of that show, No Agenda, though.
lydia smith
I'll look him up.
tim pool
Yeah.
Andrew Bishop says, Tim, Kyle Kalinske said on Rogan that Trump increased drone strikes by 300-400%.
What's your thoughts on this?
Horrifying and very, very bad and worthy of the utmost criticism, no doubt.
Uh, the big challenge with Trump is, I didn't, look, I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I ragged on him for three years.
I just thought the critics were insane.
So it's like, Trump would do something questionable, and then the critics would claim he kicked a puppy in the face.
You'd be like, dude, no he didn't!
Calm down!
And then, when it came to the Abraham Accords and trying to withdraw, I was like, I like that, please more of that.
So, look, we've criticized the guy.
I just only gotta say two words.
John Bolton.
Like, seriously.
Criticize him on the drone stuff. 100%.
Trent Lomelino says Michael Malice was on Cash Cab and I can't unsee it.
unidentified
Did he win?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he did pretty well.
He's a smart guy.
tim pool
He's a smart fella.
luke rudkowski
He looks so different though.
unidentified
He looks like really really like he looks like he's like 17 Reese Jones says good day. Watch your show all the time
tim pool
My wife is in LA for a course.
She was refused service for being not a local.
Is that normal?
We are Australian.
I don't know about that.
lydia smith
That's weird.
tim pool
They're ossiphobic?
GeorgeRFM97 says, Hi Tim, I'm a big fan from the UK.
Hope you guys are aware of the storm about to hit crypto market regarding the Tether lawsuit.
It's been used to buy Bitcoin and could cause a temporary crash.
Perhaps, I don't care.
You know, Bitcoin was at like 48, dropped to 30, and everyone's like, quick sell!
And I was like, nope!
And then it bumped back up to like 38, and I'm like, don't care!
I watched this video recently, where this woman's like, in 2013, someone sent me a Bitcoin, and I shrugged my shoulders and said thanks.
Shrugged my shoulders and said thanks.
And now in 2021, she's like, I realized when everyone was screaming about Bitcoin, that I had one.
And then she realizes she has $40,000.
2013 Bitcoin was at what?
It was like fluctuating between 10, 50, or maybe even a hundred bucks.
Someone could have given you a $20 bill in 2012.
$20 bill in 2012.
unidentified
It's $40,000.
ian crossland
Sing about that today.
tim pool
It's $40,000.
ian crossland
About 10,000 bitcoins, man.
tim pool
I almost bought 6,300.
ian crossland
This looks like tethers.
Maybe was using the money.
Tether's a stable coin and they're supposed to maybe hold the money when you buy it.
But they were buying Bitcoin with it.
I don't know.
There's some sort of investigation.
I use USDC right now as my stable coin.
tim pool
OMG Puppies says social media was banning people for the NPC meme a couple years ago.
It triggers the SJWs badly for some reason.
Because it resonates.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, all my NPC stuff has been banned.
ian crossland
It's such a good meme.
tim pool
Really?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
luke rudkowski
So, yeah, I mean, I like the NPC meme.
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And I made a lot of NPC t-shirts.
All of them are gone.
So we're going to bring them back, though.
ian crossland
Who's the artist for that?
tim pool
It was just like a 4chan meme, wasn't it?
luke rudkowski
I don't remember.
ian crossland
Man, I want to meet that person.
tim pool
NPC.
Melissa B says, Dan Bongino warned about Teespring during his show yesterday or today.
Please be careful.
I mean, we will, but look, my shirts are silly.
Like me with a monocle and like a pipe with bubbles.
Oh, speaking of.
Oh yeah, Ian's got one.
ian crossland
I have one.
Lydia, thank you very much.
It's medium.
I'll be wearing this in the near future.
tim pool
We don't do crazy, hyper-political shirts that word about getting banned.
It's silly.
It's just a really silly image someone made for us.
luke rudkowski
But even if you did, if you made fun of the mainstream media, why is that wrong?
That's crazy.
tim pool
It does seem like they were going on copyright grounds, which means they shouldn't have, and you'll need a smarter and better provider.
luke rudkowski
Well, they shouldn't have, number one, it doesn't make sense, and two, they hit other stuff that there's no reason to hit.
tim pool
Ice Fox says, don't know if you have looked into bunker branding or if they are taking more creators, but it is owned and operated by Matt from Demolition Ranch.
It's an alternative to Teespring by YouTubers for YouTubers.
Check it out.
Definitely.
I was looking into them and I don't know what their, you know, what the policies are, what their plans are, but I'd love to.
luke rudkowski
I got like 50 emails of people recommending them to me.
I emailed them and I hit them up on Twitter.
unidentified
So yeah, reply back guys.
tim pool
SoftShellCrab says, been a new fan for the last few months.
Going to become a member on your site next paycheck.
What to ask y'all, do y'all play Commander as Magic the Gathering format?
It's the only thing we play.
ian crossland
Basically.
We played some draft a couple weeks ago.
That was really fun.
Adam has a cube that he built with like all these, we were playing the unglued set and the unhinged and all those weird, like hold a card above the table type fun stuff.
tim pool
There's one where it's like, you have to make a creature with your hand standing on the table.
And if you take your hand off the creature dies.
Silly, silly, silly.
unidentified
But for those that aren't familiar... Betzo Majestica?
tim pool
Oh yeah, Betzo Majestica.
There was like, you have to whisper a word, and then if they do, it causes a creature, essentially, in layman's terms, becomes inactive.
So I chose Betzo Majestica.
ian crossland
But mostly we play Commander, yeah.
It's been a while.
luke rudkowski
I have no idea what you guys are saying.
ian crossland
We'll get you a deck.
tim pool
It's a card game.
It's only for smart people, you know.
People that like math.
Yeah, very smart people.
The way to describe it to people is chess and poker combined.
ian crossland
I got a question for you, Luke.
If there were five colors of magic for you to choose from, and those colors were black, white, red, green, or blue, what color would you pick?
tim pool
No, you can't ask him this.
He doesn't understand because each of the colors represents a characteristic or emotion.
He doesn't understand.
ian crossland
Well, use your imagination of those five colors, what you feel most akin to.
luke rudkowski
Right now or forever?
unidentified
He doesn't know what the color identity is.
tim pool
So in Magic the Gathering, it's a card game.
There are five colors, and each color represents what they call a color identity.
The color black represents swamps and its ambition, meaning you would sacrifice, you'd cut off your own arm to defeat your opponent, like things like that.
Then you have green, which represents growth, so it's creatures and elves and forests.
You have blue, which represents control, so it's illusions and manipulation.
He doesn't know anything about magic.
ian crossland
Red is fire.
tim pool
Destruction.
Aggression.
And passion.
ian crossland
Chaos.
lydia smith
And chaos.
ian crossland
And white is benevolence.
unidentified
And healing and, you know, okay.
ian crossland
Where would you align?
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
I don't want to play these games.
I like stuff like the UFC.
And then people fighting and all that.
tim pool
Luke would be red and white.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking red.
unidentified
Fire?
tim pool
Red and white.
ian crossland
I'm red and white.
I'm definitely white.
Tim's more of a red mage.
tim pool
Red and blue.
Blue.
ian crossland
You like blue.
I like blue a lot.
tim pool
Chaos and Control.
Those are my favorite colors.
ian crossland
You fit well with red.
It fits your personality a lot.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
I'm not going to read this, but some people are asking where Steven Crowder is.
ian crossland
Still on vacation?
tim pool
Yeah, he's gone.
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
lydia smith
He must be.
tim pool
He's in a secret underground laboratory.
ian crossland
He's loving that we're talking about him right now.
tim pool
He's probably chilling, man.
He's probably fishing, having a good time, going to the range.
ian crossland
Maybe he told himself if Trump doesn't win, he's taking some time off.
tim pool
Steven Crowder probably enjoying a nice bowl of clam chowder down at the, you know, brewery or something.
Probably, yeah.
Minding his own business.
Dark Party says, I followed Luke, shirt boy, for 18 hours, then he started trashing on Trump.
Well, of course.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that's what I've been doing my entire life.
lydia smith
Have you met Luke?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I've been trashing on all the presidents whenever I could.
ian crossland
I will say, I think it's worth to continue to follow Luke because he'll give you nonpartisan advice.
luke rudkowski
I don't like anyone, especially when they're politicians.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But you got to understand too, like if somebody is like, Biden is the best, Trump is the worst, you probably will need a voice.
Like Luke is going to be like, let me tell you why they're all bad.
You know?
Cause at least, you know, you're not getting a tribalist takedown of Trump.
You're getting someone's critique who doesn't like any of them.
luke rudkowski
I'm not for everyone, but thanks for giving me a try.
Thank you.
tim pool
Creasy Bear says, Tim Pool doesn't always sell blackface merch, but when he does, it's hilarious.
That was, it was, when I saw it, I was just like, oh jeez.
lydia smith
I had to laugh.
unidentified
Oh no.
ian crossland
You know, it's not quite blackface.
luke rudkowski
Well, the white fists.
tim pool
Yeah, they were so crazy, dude.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
It was on purpose.
But I'm not taking heat for that.
That's on DSpring.
ian crossland
Disney didn't.
tim pool
I respect them for looking into it.
They apologize.
And I think it was probably, in my opinion, a rogue employee.
It was a third party company.
I'm sorry.
Not an employee of them.
They said it was a third party.
So we'll see what they end up finding out.
Maybe they're all laughing behind the scenes.
They did it on purpose.
But I don't think that's the case.
Let's see, Track Media Only says, News media gets away with it in part because libel laws have been broken or totally bypassed.
People yell First Amendment not taking into account libel laws have existed before and after its creation.
That's right.
Simple Caleb says, Oregon Governor Kate Brown cleared D1 schools to play sports.
Smaller NAIA schools in the same area are not.
Rules for the but not for the elite schools that probably benefit Kate Brown's interests.
That's right.
Daddy T says, here's to Bernie showing up to a buttoned-down event wearing oven mitts.
unidentified
Love it.
tim pool
I thought the mittens were nice.
lydia smith
They're very cute.
tim pool
And they were funny.
And then I was sad to learn that they were destroyed by overtaxation.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
NuclearWinterGamer says, I hail from Saskatchewan, Canada, and sentiment of Western separation grows more and more the longer PM Aladdin sits in office.
Wexit.
Sorry about shirt.
Listen.
I don't care about the shirt, in the sense that if people got it and they have it, fine.
Just so long as I've made myself clear that that was not on us.
If anyone wants to get mad about that shirt, you take it up with Teespring.
If some people got it and they're happy with it, don't put that on me, because I'm not the one who made it.
You know what I mean?
I'm sure there's people who got it, are laughing, and they like it because it's a misprint and it's unique.
And I'm sure there are probably a lot of racist people who are trying to get one.
Don't look at me, I didn't make it.
So, Teespring, that's on you.
You scratch out the Timcats and put Teespring on it.
Gareth Green says, I realized the Vietnam War was a waste of resources and lives, but the world would be a better place if South Vietnam had been saved, which we could have if we had played it to win.
Iraq was a mistake, no question.
Look, I'll tell you, I'm very grateful about the U.S.
involvement in Korea.
What can I say?
I don't like military intervention, but it has a lot to do with my family, and they were fleeing, and what happened to my family later on, and what it means for the people of South Korea to be free and be able to thrive and have some of the best technology companies on the planet.
And North Korea is... sad.
And if the U.S.
wasn't involved, all of Korea would be a communist wasteland.
Helmsway says, Tim, I am the man wearing the shirt you showed earlier.
The look on my girlfriend's face when I took it out of the package and put it on was priceless.
unidentified
Teespring changed my design.
tim pool
Well, thank you guys for buying the shirt and letting me know what happened when it did.
I think, I think you guys got the very first one.
So, um, for everybody else, expect probably yours to come soon.
And, uh, well now there's going to be like a thousand of them.
We'll see.
Mr. Hunt, first name Mike, says Antifa literally the most ignorant fools on the planet.
Yeah.
Brayden says, did you hear about Biden rolling an armored convoy into Syria?
I did.
It was reported by, uh, IT, what was it?
Is it ITV?
luke rudkowski
It was a publication from, I believe, Jordan, wasn't it?
tim pool
Well, there was Syrian state television reported it, but then there was also, I think it was ITV reported it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
And then several others were reporting it.
Some tried downplaying it saying the U.S.
moves convoys all the time.
Others are saying Biden wasted no time ramping up the military presence in Syria.
luke rudkowski
Well, others are saying it's reinforcement to the already very small number of troops in the northeast.
And Russia, it looks like, also matched it with their own reinforcements and over 300 soldiers that they just sent to that same region.
ian crossland
He's escalating our troop force in Syria.
luke rudkowski
Well, we're going to find out.
We can't independently verify that for now, but it looks like it.
tim pool
Curious, Curious Mishap says, Germans starved to death when the Berlin Wall was in place.
America lied about sending supplies.
That's what my German grandmother remembered while we watched a documentary on it.
Never trust the media.
Or was it that the government of East Germany lied to your grandmother?
It's really hard to know who was being honest.
You might believe your grandmother and I respect that, but was your grandmother being manipulated and lied to by communists?
luke rudkowski
Communists are not known for having food.
So just a heads up, you know, my family have to go through it too in Poland.
A lot of them ended up hungry and a lot of them didn't have the basic necessities that we take advantage of right now.
tim pool
Daniel Maxwell says, reads Luke's shirt.
So who wishes that George Orwell had not been so accurate with his predictions for the future?
luke rudkowski
I like it.
tim pool
Boy, did I call it Orwell!
ian crossland
I think he's a fantastic writer.
If you guys haven't read 1984 and Animal Farm.
luke rudkowski
Well, he's a fascinating person.
His real name was Eric Blair.
He literally was involved in wars.
He was a MI5 agent.
His story is just absolutely profound, to say the least.
Animal Farm, also another great book.
That a lot of people don't you know attribute to him But there's so many important pieces of literature that he
puts together that really are worth reading and a lot of the public school
Systems are pushing them out I remember being introduced to them in the New York City
public school system And I remember being fascinated by both of those books and
ian crossland
they had a tremendous impact on me I found that both animal farm was like a story about the
rise of totalitarianism and then 1984 was a story about a system that was already totalitarian
So it's almost like they were a sequel, a sequel.
tim pool
Bob Samarczyk says, Ian, you're the effing man, that is all.
ian crossland
What up, homie?
tim pool
Matthias says, can you please talk about the book called The Creature of Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin?
I think everyone in the world should read this book.
ian crossland
I have it downstairs.
tim pool
It's a huge book.
luke rudkowski
We should have G. Edward Griffin on.
He's an amazing, smart individual that interviewed the KGB agent.
tim pool
We'll just let Ian talk to him.
ian crossland
I've talked to him on Twitter.
luke rudkowski
He doesn't just talk about the Federal Reserve.
He talks about a lot of stuff.
ian crossland
The CIA.
He knows a lot about a lot.
luke rudkowski
CIA, food, medicine, all this other stuff that's pretty eye-opening.
ian crossland
G. Edward.
tim pool
Shinobi Kenobi says Tim won't say certain things to prevent from getting banned on YouTube,
but wanted Trump to bar Nassange, etc. when corrupt R's and D's held conviction over
his head and destruction of he and his family's lives.
Yeah, there's a balancing act.
Donald Trump was on his way out, and there's a difference between, I guess, the comfort of the president as he's losing all of his, you know, about to lose all of the power he has and dropping one last bomb, and me sitting here thinking, If we can talk about 95% of things that are extremely important the mainstream media won't cover, and we can call them out, and that means there are 5% of things I'll have to put on my own website, I think that makes sense.
If I was told by YouTube, you will be banned effective tomorrow, I would make the craziest video you've ever seen.
And I would just, I'd be like, here's what we're gonna do.
What we're doing now is, yeah, there's some things I can't say on YouTube, and it's only a couple things.
It's like a name, and, I mean, it's really the only thing I really have to worry about, saying some guy's name and swearing and stuff.
But we can talk about all that clean and safe at TimCast.com.
So that's the plan.
You gotta be smart.
It's about playing 4D chess, man.
I'm not just gonna, like, I don't understand why there are people who are like, Tim, why don't you say something and get banned instantly so you can't work or talk about anything anymore?
That makes no sense.
So what we're doing is, what we've accomplished on YouTube, the resources we've acquired, we're making a proprietary website that can't be banned, for the most part.
And finding ways to make sure we can always get you the real news and accurate information, while leveraging the resources we have.
luke rudkowski
Let's be honest, we gotta choose our battles.
Some battles were just going to be obliterated and totally destroyed and never be able to fight again if we decide to fight those battles.
And just like you did, I started doing the same thing on wearechange.org.
I have a very similar system.
I have certain videos that I know would get automatically banned that I just put on there and people could see them.
But there's other creators who got banned that are criticizing me right now.
And I understand where they're coming from.
But at the same time, when you see people who got nuked, their reach is tremendously limited.
And we have to, you know, do things in a way where we reach as many people as we can with so many important things.
And you make that compromise.
And we have to be honest.
tim pool
And I want to stress this, too.
Do you think that Donald Trump caving to the deep state is going to save him?
Of course it's not.
They're coming for this guy, dude.
The state AGs are coming for him.
He negotiated nothing.
In fact, in my opinion, if Assange did get out and Assange could work to expose what was being done to him and his family, he'd be better off.
Instead, I would be surprised if they convict the guy.
And then they take away everything from him and they say, you had your chance and you blew it.
It reminds me of any superhero movie where the villain is like, give me this and I'll let you go.
It's like, why should I trust the villain, you know?
unidentified
G.I.
ian crossland
Joe.
It was always Cobra Commander hanging on the ledge.
Yeah, they're gonna try to help me, and then Dukes, like, helps him up and he pushes him off the ledge.
tim pool
Is that really, that really happened?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's Cobra Commander.
You can't trust Cobra Commander.
tim pool
Exactly.
So look, I admit it's tough, and there's probably a lot of things I don't know about what happened with Trump.
Maybe what they threatened him with was something worse than I could possibly imagine.
So I'll respect that, and I'll respect what you were saying for sure.
I can't pretend to be perfect.
Gareth Green says, I humbly submit that the corruption of the American medical industry is because of government intervention therein, and a real free market would make those problems evaporate.
ian crossland
Perhaps.
tim pool
Gabriel Montiel says, I had my wisdom teeth taken out in Colombia for 25 bucks each and they did an amazing job.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
ian crossland
But did you get them pulled or surgically removed?
tim pool
You know what they do in Mexico?
I think you were telling me this.
They use your own blood to heal the wound in your mouth after the surgery.
luke rudkowski
They did that to me.
tim pool
They don't do that here.
I think they might some places.
ian crossland
I still have giant gaping holes where they used to be.
I had them surgically removed.
tim pool
That was an intense moment.
So I got a wisdom tooth put in and they had to like, you know, basically cutting up your mouth.
ian crossland
Yeah, they cut a hole and then dig it out.
tim pool
And then what they do in Mexico is they take your own blood to help build up the area and it heals faster.
luke rudkowski
PRP.
That's what it's called.
ian crossland
Platelet-rich plasma.
They'll also use that to inject into wounds like knees and things like that for runners.
luke rudkowski
And it heals people faster.
ian crossland
Amazing.
luke rudkowski
So when I had dental work done, they were like, oh, we're just going to take your blood.
I'm like, OK, give me the Myers-Briggs cocktail.
Give me some vitamin C. Give me some other stuff.
Myers-Briggs?
I think there's a specific immune system boosting cocktail that they have a whole bunch of vitamins.
tim pool
Isn't Myers-Briggs like ENTJ's personality test?
unidentified
I'm probably butchering it and probably have another fraudulent slip.
tim pool
On the bonus segment, you said lower the decimals.
luke rudkowski
Same thing.
You know what I'm trying to say.
unidentified
You're just trying to be elitist.
ian crossland
Braggs.
Braggs is the company that puts out all that health food.
And the Myers-Briggs is a personality test, I think.
luke rudkowski
It sounds very similar.
I'm being blackmailed here.
unidentified
Oh, sure.
tim pool
There's another one.
Where is it?
Timay Mecca says hi I bet this chant chat won't be read if you do read it I
will send another super chat and become a member of the Tim cast comm site found
this channel like seven or eight months ago and couldn't believe that and then
there's a there's one more let me see there's another one it's always hard
because if the numbers are different it's hard to there we go a YouTube dude
like mr. milky toast and button masher Lydia and a few other plus t-shirt Luke
and Ian wannabe men vitality spin and And there's one more.
There's one more.
Let me try and find the next one.
ian crossland
Speaking of the male vitality, I had some in my coffee earlier.
tim pool
Oh, it's hard to find.
Three.
Oh, no.
lydia smith
Third time's a charm.
Come on, we can do this.
tim pool
I'm looking for it.
ian crossland
It'd be a nice feature if you could link your superchats together.
tim pool
Oh, YouTube just jumped on me.
unidentified
Oh no.
luke rudkowski
It's the Mayers cocktail.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Mayers.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
Like Myers or Mayers?
luke rudkowski
M-Y-E-R-S.
lydia smith
Oh, okay, okay.
ian crossland
Myers.
luke rudkowski
It has like vitamin B, vitamin C, and a whole bunch of other stuff in there.
lydia smith
That sounds good.
tim pool
I'm trying to find the third and last superjet, but I can't find it.
ian crossland
You can.
lydia smith
Mystery!
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
You can do it.
tim pool
No, I can't find it.
ian crossland
You can do anything.
luke rudkowski
Calcium, calcium, a whole bunch of stuff.
lydia smith
That sounds great.
It's like a multivitamin.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but intravenously.
ian crossland
Oh, they give it for your body to heal after surgery?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, so when they were taking out my blood to do the PRP, I was like, just give me some extra vitamins and stuff, and they did it.
And I think they've made that also illegal in the United States and in some states as well.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
That is weird.
ian crossland
Oh, that's sad.
tim pool
We'll have to find the super chat eventually, but we have too many.
But let's read some more.
Jose Pereira says, I just read an article about how Apple spent $90,000 for lobbyists
to educate policymakers regarding bill to stop Uyghur slave labor from Daily Caller.
unidentified
Wow, that's creepy stuff.
tim pool
Ricky Bobby says, Hey Tim, I watched an hour long podcast with Raul Paul from Real Vision
Investments.
It isn't that goods are inflating, it's the fact that our wages are deflating.
Gives the appearance of inflation, but it's not.
Interesting stuff.
Really interesting.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
Do you guys, uh, who was it?
You, I think Ian said that Joe Biden is Joe Bob Jr.
No, no, you said Joe Bob.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I don't think it's Bob.
It's Robinette, so it's Robin, I think.
Joe Robin.
I think calling him Bob might be wrong.
tim pool
The short for Rob could be Bob.
lydia smith
Yeah, it is.
ian crossland
Could be Joe Bob, but I gotta ask him.
Joe Bob Jr.
unidentified
I don't know what short for Robinette if it's Bob or Robin.
tim pool
Bob's good enough.
lydia smith
Uncle President Joe Bob Jr.
tim pool
Some other people are also mentioning Bunker Branding, so we'll definitely check them out.
Matthew Gregory says, Second attempt at Super Chat.
My brother was hurt and attempted robbery on him.
He owes $50k in hospital fees.
America insurance can suck.
Yes, that is true.
Let's see, Lady Semphia says, Hey Tim, have you heard of Vulcan West Virginia?
They had to ask the USSR to build a bridge for them because the US government would not- Wow, really?
That's amazing.
Curtis sees as a politician should never be paid a salary more than the median income of their constituents.
San Francisco median income is $53,000.
If the government is for, by, and of the people, they should be paid accordingly.
I like that.
The challenge is, you know, like Andrew Yang said, we should actually pay politicians a ridiculous amount to disincentivize disloyalty.
Because if the lobbyists are like, you're not making any money, trust me, we'll make you rich.
If they're rich from their public service job, they're going to be like, nah, you're going to jeopardize the rich life I already have.
I don't know.
It could go either way.
Cause some people are going to be like, I'll take more money.
I don't care.
luke rudkowski
Most of them are psychopaths that have unlimited hunger for power and money.
So I don't know if that would work.
tim pool
Yup.
Yeah, they just want more.
There you go.
unidentified
Amen.
tim pool
Good call.
I've seen that.
here in PA, the Liquor Control Board has a monopoly that makes it so financially hard
on restaurants and bars. Let's deregulate, abolish the PL Liquor Control, PA Liquor Control
Board."
luke rudkowski
There you go.
tim pool
Amen.
Good call.
Diss says, Check out Reddit Simulator. It's Reddit with all bots
talking to each other and it's very creepy. I've seen that. It's amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah, but they're only doing, I think, like, a splash page for now.
So, like, what do you do?
doing I think like a splash page for now.
Tanner Barnes says the Donald at wind got taken down.
That's not true.
It changed to Patriots dot win because Donald Trump isn't president anymore.
So like, what do you do?
So I guess they just rebranded for a variety of reasons and they're all
still basically doing the same thing.
I, that was obviously coming too, because I mean, there's a community
here that believes in something.
They're not going to just go away.
So they made it work.
It is what it is.
I do think what they're doing with the Wynn community is a good thing, because it's effectively creating a decentralized Reddit.
And so a lot of these banned communities are showing up.
I don't agree with some of these, and I think a lot of some of these, you know, communities have crazy people in them, but people have a right to free speech to be protected.
Harold Cole says, you should really check out Bunker Branding for t-shirt printing and sales.
We will.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
RJ Lewer says, did you see the new Joe Rogan with Tulsi?
She was basically exposing how corrupt and treasonous the Dems are, and Joe would just gloss over it.
Tulsi, you should come on this show.
We won't gloss over it, and I'm a big fan, and I'll leave it there.
but definitely would love to have Tulsi on.
Still a big fan.
Supported her throughout her campaign, and I really believed in what she was doing,
and I really respect the military service.
ian crossland
I had a night where I was in my apartment thinking about Tulsi and supporting her,
and I just started crying.
unidentified
Hmph.
ian crossland
She's great.
Yeah, she's super cool.
unidentified
into what I was. She's amazing. Yeah, she's super cool.
ian crossland
Dude, so legit.
tim pool
Brandon Tom says, you say what, what happened to turn the other cheek and
then fault Republicans for doing nothing? What is the appropriate middle
ground, if any? Well, when we're talking about turning the other cheek, I
think we're referencing violence and stuff.
You know, like, not engaging in the same tit-for-tat that's not resulting in anything.
Impeaching Donald Trump wasn't a solution to anything, it was chaos.
The problem with Republicans is they're not advocating for Republicans, or even Americans.
Republicans aren't coming out there and being like, we're gonna propose a bill that will rescind these laws curtailing people's gun rights.
Like, think about this.
We've had a bunch of bans, like, Are Republicans on board the bump stock ban?
luke rudkowski
Like what do you think about that? Most of the Republicans?
No It's it's an extremely big overreach of power that criminalized
millions of Americans and made them felons overnight previous Republican support it
Donald Trump supported it and he pushed it through and it's absolutely insane because previous gun restrictive measures
were Measures that would grandfather people in that wouldn't
automatically turn people into felonies But if you had this thing overnight felony jail possession
For something that people were buying knowingly so it was a huge step forward in gun
In anti-gun legislation that really should have been pushed back immediately
tim pool
We got a question for Luke.
Dice Goblin says, Luke, question for you.
If we have no taxes, how do the men and women who choose to serve get paid for their service?
luke rudkowski
There's many other, you know, you plunder.
I love it.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
Let's do it.
You say, we give you carte blanche to raid that country and whatever you get is yours.
unidentified
Heck yeah.
luke rudkowski
Well, no.
Obviously not.
You would have other incentives that you could do and also other collectives that you could reach and agree upon.
ian crossland
That's so vague.
Wait, do you think we should repeal all taxes?
luke rudkowski
I don't like taxes.
ian crossland
I don't like taxes.
luke rudkowski
I think a lot of people usually like to nitpick these larger ANCAP ideas when, of course, a lot of them are just like northern stars.
They're navigations of where we should be heading towards because obviously the taxes are way too high.
So to take everything literal is a little bit disingenuous, but to say that it's a good starting point to aim for is good.
Do I have all the answers and solutions when we get there?
I don't.
ian crossland
So you think we need less taxes?
luke rudkowski
100%.
ian crossland
I think that I don't like that I don't know where my taxes go.
tim pool
Yeah, you can look that up.
ian crossland
Black budget.
There's a thing called a black budget.
tim pool
The problem is the size and scale of things make it impossible for a regular person to actually be able to do this.
Like you can actually look up the budgets and the expenditures and stuff, but you got to be an expert to understand it.
ian crossland
And do the math.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not easy.
And so it's the scale of things that are making it very difficult to track what's going on.
And, well, Luke mentions the Federal Reserve missing money and stuff like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Pentagon came up with like $1.3 trillion they lost.
luke rudkowski
When the government has enough money to give to foreign countries, that's when you know they have too much money.
ian crossland
When the Pentagon loses a trillion dollars, I should, I really want that.
I was looking for that story earlier.
I couldn't find it.
They moved around through $35 trillion in budgeting a couple of years ago, the Pentagon.
Are you guys?
luke rudkowski
I don't know if it was that much, but even before 9-11, there was trillions of dollars missing and no one could account for them.
ian crossland
Like the day before 9-11, it was like September 10th, the Pentagon misplaced $1.3 trillion.
luke rudkowski
I asked Donald Rumsfeld about that.
tim pool
Well, we got a super chat here for Ian.
Uncultured Barbarian says, wrong night, but Ian's right.
Trump definitely corrupt.
1997 Rothschilds bailed him out because Taj Mahal bankrupted him.
They own half of that casino and several of his properties.
Former Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross is source.
Interesting.
ian crossland
I was thinking about the nepotism conversation, and then today I was like, I think kind of what bothers me is that he surrounded himself with yes-men, including his daughter and his daughter's husband.
tim pool
That's not true, dude.
ian crossland
They were just like, daddy!
tim pool
She cried?
ian crossland
She got him to go to war over crying?
tim pool
They were defying him and leaking everything, dude.
He hired a bunch of bad people who didn't help him and didn't work for him.
ian crossland
You want to hire people that will confront you and push back on your ideas.
tim pool
But instead, the people he hired were secretly leaking things behind his back.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were like yes men, and then they betrayed him.
luke rudkowski
He was probably the most leaked on, no pun intended, president of the United States.
ian crossland
If people pushed back on him, he would fire them.
So they would all be like, yes, yes, yes.
unidentified
And then they'd leak the incense.
tim pool
Well, we got a very important.
Chris Lamson says, where can I get a print of the art behind Luke?
This art is from George Alexopolis, also known as GPrime85 on social media.
And I believe he sells prints and it's some of the best art ever.
In fact, behind Luke is Joe Biden eating OK Boomer Girl.
And behind Ian, there's two.
There's one with Joe Rogan, and then there's one on the ground of Joe Biden also eating a little girl.
lydia smith
There we go.
luke rudkowski
He released a really good one today with Joe Biden playing with toy soldiers and throwing them back in and they ended up in parking lots.
ian crossland
There's a good Timcast IRL episode with George Alexopoulos.
luke rudkowski
We should get him back on.
tim pool
pavraj grew all says yo tim biden just sent more troops into syria and is sending more to iraq and israel just killed four people biden america yeah mm-hmm josh says could you add a number of retweets like and or mentions when you see the sycophantic tweets sycophantic would be nice to know when those tweets are just yelling fire in a theater but very limited views may help turn down the temperature Yeah, there was somebody claiming, like, a bunch of the leftists are trying to get Fox News banned, saying that Fox News is essentially yelling fire in a crowded theater, so it's illegal, obviously.
And it's like, people don't realize you're legally allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater.
ian crossland
But the theater will throw you out?
tim pool
I mean, if they want to.
They don't have to.
You're allowed to say it.
ian crossland
It is legal?
tim pool
It is legal, yes.
ian crossland
To go tell people that something is about to happen if it's not?
tim pool
Yes, it is.
It is a myth.
Even Don Lemon recently, like a week or two ago, I think it was Chris Cuomo, who said, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, and Don goes, no, no, that's not true, that's not true, you can't say that, that's a myth, and Cuomo was like, it is true, it is true!
Cuomo you're like he was a lawyer wasn't he it's no idea what he's talking about getting crushed by Cuomo
luke rudkowski
It's a lawyer if I'm in a movie theater. I see someone scream fire in front of me
I'm just gonna take a look. He doesn't say anything, but he says it again. I'm gonna kick his chair
unidentified
right, so it's like Problem solved
tim pool
Christian Larson says, dictator Biden has turned all comments on the White House YouTube channel off, but it was the will of the people that voted him in.
I don't think he's allowed to do that.
I think you could file a suit right now.
Like anybody could.
luke rudkowski
Did Donald Trump have his comments on for the White House?
tim pool
But when he blocked people, they argued that those posts were forums and the government has no right to shut them down.
So Biden, the White House team doing this, I think it's unconstitutional and people should sue.
ian crossland
It's different than banning individuals just shutting the forum off.
luke rudkowski
I mean, they're scared of people's voices.
tim pool
That is a good point.
Well, yeah, because Trump didn't shut the forum down, he just removed certain people.
Shutting the forum down might be okay.
Alright, let's see.
Akira Express Trucker says Republicans are not pro-2A.
They are pro-2A when it's politically convenient, but are the party that passes the legislation to control access.
Yep.
Let's just do... We'll do one more here.
Big Toe says... We'll do a couple more.
Turn to him the other cheek is not about violence, it's about insult.
A slap in the face.
Nuke the Ice Caps says, Not a fan of all the free money.
It's very hard to explain to desperate people that free comes with a lot of debt and consequences.
I tried to explain this.
I've had people say, yeah, but they're gonna give me money.
Idiocracy is now a documentary.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for hanging out.
Thanks for the super chats.
Make sure to go to TimCast.com because we do have one more segment coming up for members only!
Yes!
And it'll be a little spicy, maybe.
We'll see how things play out.
But we're gonna be ramping up the amount of content we produce for members.
And I mean it.
I mean, like, I'm talking maybe hours worth of content every day at some point because we're gonna have fun videos.
We're gonna have vlog videos.
Some of the bonus segments we've done have already been 20 minutes.
So we're going to try and just do as much as possible to really make it worth your membership.
And we're also going to be eventually producing free content that will just appear on the website too.
So probably opinion pieces, some articles, maybe photos.
And then the real premium stuff will be members only.
Go to TimCast.com.
We are trying to get to a point where if we get enough members, then we will no longer have anything to worry about about censorship.
Now look, if YouTube bans us, a lot of people will probably never see our stuff again.
That's a fact.
But if we just have a core user base, then that's still good enough for us to keep working, then I'll accept that.
And that means if you guys really do like what we do and want to make sure you're getting it, TimCast.com.
And also, hopefully, if this time you buy your exclusive I Am A Gorilla t-shirt, it won't be a blackface version.
So I hope Teespring is taking care of that.
They said they are, and, you know, my respect for them getting quickly on this and trying to get the problem solved.
But, TimCast.com shop, and you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Mines at TimCast.
And my other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast
News.
And I believe Luke is a t-shirt vendor.
luke rudkowski
They're trying to take down my shirts, but they can't take me down.
I'm doing everything in my power.
Literally, as I said, I'm a horrible drawer.
If I have to draw them, I will, and I will personally send them out to you.
The website is thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Keep an eye out for that, because no matter who's going to do something, I'm always going to find a way to get you the shirts that you want.
Sign up on my email list on wearechange.org on the top right hand corner.
It makes people invincible.
I have a direct contact to talk to you one-on-one.
I have a lot of interesting things to say so check it out and thank you so much for doing so.
ian crossland
I think they're throwing it to me.
It keeps happening.
It's subtle, though, because they don't say my name.
Hey, thanks, guys.
I'm Ian Crossland, as you may or may not know.
You can follow me at Ian Crossland online.
I really want to thank all the new people that have started following me online.
My YouTube channel's over 10,000 subscribers now.
Yeah, it just keeps going up, man.
lydia smith
Wow, excellent.
ian crossland
How's it a month?
I don't know.
It's getting bigger faster.
Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, which I don't take new friends on, but you can follow me there.
Mines, Instagram.
And we're going to be gaming later tonight on twitch.tv slash iancrossland.
I'll be gaming with Adam Kregler.
We're going to play some Red Dead Redemption 2.
See what kind of chaos we can engender.
Is that the right word?
lydia smith
Cause?
ian crossland
Yeah, cause.
That's the word I was looking for.
So follow me and catch me at twitch.tv slash iancrossland tonight.
lydia smith
Yeah, and then me, I'm SourPatchLids on Twitter, and I'm real SourPatchLids on, let me see if I can get it right, Instagram, and Gab.
Yes, okay, I got it.
I got my own socials.
All right, and then I really appreciate everyone signing up on TimCast.com.
If you have problems, email members at TimCast.com and look at you straightened out.
Just be patient.
tim pool
I have a special announcement.
lydia smith
Gosh, Tim's whispering.
tim pool
We've got footage of Luke Rutkowski getting raided by Alex Jones.
ian crossland
Play it!
luke rudkowski
That sounds inappropriate.
Can I use the restroom?
tim pool
It's going to be up on TimCast.com for members only along with the lost episode.
ian crossland
You should do a picture.
Just a screenshot from the video of Luke getting woken up with a link to the website so people can find it easier.
tim pool
And we'll post it, and so if you want to watch Alex Jones break into Luke's trailer and wake him up and say inappropriate things, so we'll have that as well.
Yeah, we've got a lot of stuff to come.
The Lost episode is the one that got pulled from YouTube.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah!
tim pool
And so it does exist.
It is on BitChute.
You can watch it.
It exists.
But for a lot of people who missed it, it will be up on the site for members only.
But again, you can find it on BitChute by looking at the TimCast IRL channel because we archive all our stuff there as well.
So it is free, but we'll put it up in the members section.
So, ladies and gentlemen...
Make sure you check it out because before that show starts, we will have the exclusive footage of Alex and it'll be fun.
And thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you over at TimCast.com.
Other than that, you know, I'm going to take weekends off probably from now on.
So I'll see you on Monday.
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