Jan. 7, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:26:50
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| I don't know what you would call what happened today, but I'll tell you | ||
| I have a lot of people saying that I predicted it, or that I somehow... Oh, we got this video started playing already. | ||
| We got a video we gotta talk about, but okay, let me start over. | ||
| I don't know what you would call it, but I can tell you that yesterday, and even this morning, I said I didn't think anything was gonna happen. | ||
| I showed a clip where people are sharing this photo on Twitter of the March for Our Lives, and I said, look how the left mobilizes. | ||
| Look at these massive numbers. | ||
| And then I showed a clip, an image from the rally earlier today, and I said the numbers are nowhere near comparable. | ||
| You know, so Trump supporters certainly have come out, but I don't think, you know, we'll see anything crazy. | ||
| And boy, was I wrong. | ||
| A group of Trump supporters made their way inside the Capitol building. | ||
| Windows got smashed out. | ||
| They breached it. | ||
| Tear gas was fired in the rotunda. | ||
| This is some of the craziest things I've ever seen. | ||
| I know a lot of people are trying to compare this to when Brett Kavanaugh was being confirmed | ||
| in the protesters at the atrium of the Senate building. | ||
| This is not comparable. | ||
| This is an electoral college vote count and some dude with Viking horns took the vice | ||
| president's seat in the Senate and like yelled and some guy was stealing the podium. | ||
| This was really, really crazy stuff. | ||
| But worst of all of it, a woman has been killed. | ||
| And I watched this video, I don't know if you've seen it, but there is a door to the main chamber of, I think it was the congressional main chamber, the House, and there's a barricade put in front of it, and there's a bunch of Capitol security with their guns trained in the door. | ||
| One of those is what we believe to have happened, shot through the door blindly at a bunch of Individuals and there was a woman who was not at the door, but just standing behind some people and she took the shot to the neck and You could see it man if you watch the video if you have experience with combat I think most people realized it because the moment I saw that I said she's gone | ||
| And they reported it as critical condition, but I was like, nah, she's gone. | ||
| And then it was a few hours later, they announced officially that she passed away. | ||
| So this is some of the, this is intense stuff, man. | ||
| They just shot through that door and now she's dead. | ||
| Now we're seeing CNN's calling it insurrection. | ||
| They said, this is an insurrection. | ||
| Trump encouraged it. | ||
| Trump then tweeted something out that I wouldn't necessarily say was direct support, but boy, did it feel kind of like it. | ||
| When he was like, remember this day, go home and be peaceful. | ||
| The election was stolen. | ||
| I was just like, dude. | ||
| I don't know what you call it, man. | ||
| And I don't know what many of these people expect, because right now you've got, I think, it's Cori Bush. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't want to drag the wrong person. | ||
| But they're calling for the expulsion of Republicans who are supporting Trump. | ||
| Rand Paul has now said that they're going to go in. | ||
| There will be no objections. | ||
| Joe Biden is going to be certified, especially after this. | ||
| So, I don't want to just go through everything before we even get started. | ||
| We've got a bunch of really great people here. | ||
| Of course, we have the usual crew. | ||
| We've got Luke Rutkowski. | ||
| Yep, today was a crazy day. | ||
| It's only going to get crazier from here. | ||
| I was breaking it all down on twitter.com forward slash Luke we are change. | ||
| I got there's crazy developments. | ||
| I mean, CPAC's Matt Schlapp just came out and said, quote, I understand there's a 16 year old woman who was shot 16. | ||
| Now he goes on now maybe she was doing terrible things and deserved to be shot. | ||
| We're in the party that talks about law and order and respecting cops. | ||
| He said that on Fox News just now. | ||
| A 16-year-old. | ||
| And he said, according to him, the woman that was shot and killed, the unarmed woman that was shot and killed, was a 16-year-old girl. | ||
| So that's the breaking news coming in now that I just had to get into immediately. | ||
| They found pipe bombs. | ||
| At the RNC and DNC. | ||
| More than one. | ||
| And they detonated them. | ||
| So Ian's hanging out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Um, Elijah Schaeffer apparently was posting evidence that there's Antifa there posing as Trump supporters. | ||
| Hard to prove. | ||
| Hard to prove. | ||
| I saw the picture, though, and it was definitely... No, I don't know what you saw, but I do know that there's some stuff going around that is not true. | ||
| It was Cori Bush, by the way, who wants to expel a bunch of Republican... | ||
| There's an image going around that says Philly Antifa, and it's a picture of some guys. | ||
| That video is not of, it's from Philly Antifa. | ||
| And people think it shows the guys who were there were Antifa. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| But Jack Murphy's here. | ||
| What's up, everybody? | ||
| Good to see you, Tim. | ||
| Good to be back. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Hi, Jack. | ||
| Ian, how are you? | ||
| Great to see you. | ||
| Lydia, everybody. | ||
| Crazy day in D.C. | ||
| I was there for a good part of it. | ||
| I saw the speech pretty much front row center. | ||
| I saw people as far as I could see all the way back from the Ellipse, all the way through the park, across Constitution, up the hill towards Washington Monument. | ||
| There was just a tremendous amount of people there. | ||
| Spirits were very high. | ||
| Energy was high. | ||
| Positive at first, and then afterwards it started to get a little bit weird, man. | ||
| I saw some things I hadn't seen in DC. | ||
| How many people do you think were there in total? | ||
| You know, I'm not really great at that, but my guess would be a couple hundred thousand. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A couple hundred thousand? | ||
| I mean, the whole ellipse was completely filled. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then the streets, and then the whole section back behind it, but to the Washington Monument. | ||
| Well, compare this to some of the left-wing protest riots you've been to. | ||
| You'd think a hundred thousand. | ||
| I think it was more in mass than I had seen throughout the summer. | ||
| I mean there was a lot of people at those protests this summer, but this was just everywhere. | ||
| Then all the way down Pennsylvania Avenue and Constitution and up to the Capitol. | ||
| But it's good to be back. | ||
| Bigger than December? | ||
| Bigger than December. | ||
| About the same. | ||
| Yeah, it was a lot of people. | ||
| It was a lot of people. | ||
| Last month, the left was saying, barely mustering 100,000, and the right was saying 200,000. | ||
| So I'm like, all right, well, somewhere in the middle, right? | ||
| If the left is criticizing him saying it was a million, you know, MAGA march and only 100,000 showed up, all right, 100,000. | ||
| A million men didn't come to the million man march either. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| My friends, if you have not already, smash the like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell. | ||
| We got so much to go through and there's a lot of philosophical discussions that are going to happen right now. | ||
| And the first thing I want to do is we got to talk about this young woman and we got to talk about, you know, Trump's been suspended. | ||
| There's just so much going on. | ||
| We'll just try to get through it. | ||
| But this is the most important story. | ||
| This is from WUSA9. | ||
| Woman shot inside U.S. | ||
| Capitol building during riot dies from injuries. | ||
| It is not known yet what exactly led to the shooting. | ||
| A photo shows law enforcement with guns drawn inside the locked down House chamber. | ||
| They say D.C.' 's Mayor Muriel Bowser and Police Chief Robert Conte III also confirmed that a person was shot inside the Capitol building but did not release much more details in the news conference at 5 p.m. | ||
| The behavior we are witnessing is shameful, unpatriotic, and above all, it is unlawful. | ||
| Anyone who engages in these activities, continues to engage in these activities, will be held accountable," said Bowser. | ||
| A lockdown was in place Wednesday afternoon for the U.S. | ||
| Capitol building, and it has been lifted, according to officials. | ||
| But there's still a curfew, right? | ||
| My understanding is there... It started at 6 p.m., earliest one I can remember. | ||
| Yeah, curfew, earliest. | ||
| 6 p.m. | ||
| curfew, this is nuts. | ||
| On a weekday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They say U.S. | ||
| Park Police, D.C. | ||
| Police, and National Guard troops have worked to move Trump supporters and rioters gathered at the steps of the U.S. | ||
| Capitol building to create a safety perimeter. | ||
| Tear gas and percussion grenades have been deployed by police around the U.S. | ||
| Capitol to move back rioters. | ||
| It is not known yet what exactly led to the woman being shot, but a photo from CBS News' Zach Hudak shows law enforcement with guns drawn inside the House chamber around 2.46 p.m. | ||
| after rioters broke into the U.S. | ||
| Capitol building. | ||
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| Capitol Police ordered the Capitol locked down around 2.30 p.m. | ||
| on Wednesday, and evacuations of two Capitol Campus buildings, the Library of Congress, James Madison Memorial Building, and the Cannon House Office Building, as protests raged at the Capitol complex. | ||
| Shortly after President Trump addressed his voters vowing never to concede the election in a speech on the Ellipse, large crowds of pro-Trump protesters marched to the U.S. | ||
| Capitol and squared off with Capitol Police. | ||
| Protesters broke through several barriers placed at the steps of the Capitol while the certification of Electoral College votes began inside. | ||
| And then as you all, as many of you probably already know if you don't, They suspended, they recessed the joint session of Congress. | ||
| Joe Manchin said that these thugs will not stop us from counting the votes, and that they're planning on going back in as soon as the buildings are secure. | ||
| There's blood on the ground, there's a woman who died, and they're gonna go back in and they're gonna finish. | ||
| In many places than one there's blood and my news team actually sent me the video of the shooting and before the shooting and it looks like people just milling around that of course you don't see who shot you don't see it in exact frame with this allegedly now we're getting information 16 year old girl that was there but you hear the shot and it's extremely graphic and you see the life literally leave her eyes so it's extremely intense and right now on Twitter there's many hashtags that are trending one of them is white privilege And a lot of people are saying, look how favorable these protesters were treated. | ||
| Right now, protesters are actually engaged with conflicts with the police there. | ||
| And a lot of left-leaning kind of thinkers in the mainstream media are saying, look, these protesters were treated favorably, but we have an unarmed 16-year-old girl shot and killed today. | ||
| That's something that's incredibly important. | ||
| something that needs to be investigated something that there needs to be justice behind it just like any death that leads to a police officer shooting something or doing something that that leads to an end of a life which is absolutely insane She was in the front, by the way. | ||
| No, she wasn't in the front. | ||
| She was standing, like, right at the door, and then she got hit and got knocked back onto the ground. | ||
| I didn't see that. | ||
| That's a video on Twitter. | ||
| I'm looking for it right now. | ||
| I'm gonna retweet it. | ||
| The video I saw, there's, like, one guy wearing a poofy jacket in the front, and one guy has, like, his hands up, and then he backs up against the wall. | ||
| Then someone walks in front of the camera, and the woman is further back. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Yeah, pull it up. | ||
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But... | |
| All of Twitter about to become a cab. | ||
| You've been feeling it over the last few days anyway. | ||
| Sentiment has definitely been turning. | ||
| It's almost like an instantaneous network shift where the whole right network just was like all of a sudden blue lives, whatever, whatever. | ||
| I push back on that on my Twitter. | ||
| I mean, I support the police in DC. | ||
| They usually do a tremendous job on a very, very difficult, difficult. | ||
| Did you see the video of what happened today? | ||
| I did, but I don't have any other information. | ||
| And I also, has anybody matched up a shot of the police from the outside and the people on the inside? | ||
| Like a picture? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think we've seen pictures of guns drawn inside the chamber. | ||
| And there's video of the people on the other side of the door as well. | ||
| There's video of the people pulling the trigger. | ||
| Nobody shot into the chamber. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| They shot from inside the chamber into the hallway? | ||
| No one knows. | ||
| The video is, you saw the video, people are milling about and then you hear the shot. | ||
| Right, but where was that door leading? | ||
| That was my question. | ||
| Where's that door that they're looking at? | ||
| Into the main chamber where the guys have their guns pointed at the door. | ||
| There wasn't a rush. | ||
| There wasn't a fight. | ||
| There wasn't a conflict. | ||
| It's literally people milling about like they were even in an elevator. | ||
| So that's another thing to really consider. | ||
| Well, the window was broken, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, someone broke the window and then they barricaded the door. | ||
| It looked like there was a pause of action. | ||
| I want to say too, there's no confirmation yet that she was 16. | ||
| This is according to the CPAC that just released this information. | ||
| And there are some high-profile blue check individuals saying a 16-year-old girl died. | ||
| I think I saw Jack Posobiec, maybe somebody else, comparing the images from the officers with the guns drawn to the scene where the woman was shot and pointing out differences in the door and that it wasn't the same door. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And that it might have been somewhere else. | ||
| I can't confirm that. | ||
| It's just something I saw in passing. | ||
| I thought it looked the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the windows looked the same. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I could be wrong, though. | ||
| You know, whenever it comes to big breaking stories like this, details come out, usually get corrected later on. | ||
| And then people, I mean, it always happens. | ||
| But then people might say, but hold on. | ||
| On the day of, they reported this, that, and this. | ||
| And then it changes. | ||
| Like, well, we... In this case, though, no relevant detail is going to change except for the fact that The story will be MAGA, fascists, storm the Capitol, girl gets killed, attack police, insurrection, etc, etc. | ||
| Well, watching CNN before this broadcast, they were trying to kind of obfuscate that and make it not a big deal. | ||
| They were more, they were more talking about, look, the members of Congress were terrified and they were focusing in on that. | ||
| And then they kind of mentioned in passing, there was also a protester shot and killed. | ||
| In other news, in other news, look how, and then it was just, Extremely eye-opening to see CNN the network that just a ... few weeks ago was telling you on national television that ... protests are not supposed to be peaceful literally lose their ... ish today talking about insurgencies terrorists and ... this extremely warfaric kind of language. | ||
| trying to deem what they saw today as the worst possible thing in the world. Now again, it wasn't | ||
| nice, it wasn't good. Obviously, there was a lot of turmoil, obviously there was a lot of chaos, | ||
| there's a lot of confusion. We're still finding out exactly what happened about this event. | ||
| But this is the same network again. During the summer, when similar events were happening | ||
| all throughout the country, they were supporting it and cheering it on. | ||
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Yeah, let me show you. Let's swap this photo real quick. | |
| This is from, I just pulled it up on Google Images from today. | ||
| And this is members of, I believe this is members of Congress being given gas masks. | ||
| There are these like plastic bags you put over your head with a filtration system. | ||
| I think one of the craziest things I have ever heard in my life. | ||
| Tear gas fired in the rotunda. | ||
| Tell you, man, I mentioned mustard gas yesterday. | ||
| I was kind of half-joking, but it can get super extreme when chaos strikes. | ||
| Well, listen, listen. | ||
| When you fire tear gas indoors, people die. | ||
| It displaces oxygen. | ||
| I have seen people... It catches on fire, too. | ||
| And when you're jammed together in a crowd, you're basically indoors. | ||
| Like in Waco. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| In crowds, the air clears quickly. | ||
| People disperse. | ||
| If you can disperse. | ||
| If you can't, though, it's a different story. | ||
| Sure, but in most... I don't know if you've ever been locked, shoulder-to-shoulder, pressed, and you can't move. | ||
| You're just being moved with the crowd. | ||
| So when I was in Turkey... Mardi Gras. | ||
| When I was in Turkey during the Gezi Park protests, There's Istiklal, which is this big corridor of shopping markets. | ||
| It's a big shopping street. | ||
| It's amazing, really. | ||
| And this is in Istanbul. | ||
| And when they start firing tear gas like crazy, you can't go anywhere. | ||
| You're in this corridor, and you're trying to run out, and the gas doesn't dissipate because the buildings are all by your side. | ||
| So that I get. | ||
| But when you're inside a building, you know what we ended up seeing? | ||
| People were running into parking garages, and then you're sealed in perfectly. | ||
| When the tear gas went in, people just started dropping to the ground because they're not breathing air anymore. | ||
| You're breathing in tear gas, you can't breathe. | ||
| Once it gets in your lungs, your lungs constrict, you struggle, and hit the ground. | ||
| And then people started running in with masks and pulling out bodies of unconscious people. | ||
| When they said they tear gassed the Rotunda, I was just like, dude, people are gonna die. | ||
| Now, I don't think anybody died from that. | ||
| We did see some people get carried out, but somebody died from taking a bullet. | ||
| Now, here's the thing. | ||
| Luke is wearing a very interesting t-shirt. | ||
| Well, I've been selling this t-shirt for about over a year now. | ||
| I've been talking about this for, I think, I can't even understand how long I've been talking about this, but I've been talking about this hyper-partisan, this hyper-sensationalism bullcrap that people call news, that again is just weaponized information meant so people fight each other, and now we're here at this crescendo, and I think this is only the beginning of a lot of more horrible things to come in my opinion. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| So the shirt Luke is wearing, it's the guy poking meme, and he says, come on, do a civil war, and it's the donkey and the elephant. | ||
| And the guy is ABC, Fox, CBS, CNN. | ||
| The reason why this is important, let me show you this from CNN. | ||
| Trump caused this insurrection, and every Republican must condemn it. | ||
| They're calling it an insurrection on TV. | ||
| I hate when this happens. | ||
| Well, the former president, George W. Bush, also just released a very strong statement calling this an insurrection. | ||
| George W. Bush did? | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's an insurrection. | ||
| That's what CNN has said. | ||
| Fox News is calling it a protest. | ||
| After they cleared out the Capitol, people were still pushing, they were still fighting, tear gas was still being deployed. | ||
| And when I see CNN going on TV and attacking, just blanket, blanket attacks, I'm like, they really don't get it, right? | ||
| They're absolutely trying their hardest to inflame tensions. | ||
| They don't care that what they do makes everything worse. | ||
| And you know what the best part is? | ||
| You know what I love the most? | ||
| I have these people who tweet at me saying like, you helped cause this Tim, like your videos, your content, and I'm like, you mean every single video where I've said violence doesn't work and it's bad for everybody who does it? | ||
| This is what's amazing, that we can have a show like this where we repeatedly say violence doesn't work. | ||
| Non-violent civil disobedience is one of the most effective things because we're in fifth generational warfare. | ||
| Maybe you can talk about violent revolution in the 1700s, but when it comes to today's day and age, it's all about perception and fifth generational warfare. | ||
| The problem is CNN. | ||
| What did, what did, uh, who was it? | ||
| Was it Cuomo? | ||
| Was it Cuomo who was like, and who says protests need to be peaceful? | ||
| Chris Cuomo said, who said protests need to be peaceful? | ||
| And that gave birth to ramen guy. | ||
| You guys remember ramen guy, right? | ||
| And he's eating the ramen. | ||
| He goes, it's right there in the first amendment, Mr. Cuomo. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, you just got to look it up. | ||
| Now what are they saying? | ||
| Oh, it's insurrection! | ||
| We knew these Trumpers would do it! | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, man, I have no idea what these people are thinking because they're not going to win anything. | ||
| This is going to be a big crackdown from the security state. | ||
| In May, they burned down the Guard Tower in the White House. | ||
| Again, we shouldn't really be comparing the two, but we should note that events are being manipulated. | ||
| Information is being hidden from you. | ||
| It's being editorialized to push an agenda, and that agenda is for you guys to fight each other. | ||
| Speaking of, the video of the girl standing up on the door, you retweeted it. | ||
| It was from... | ||
| She's on the door? | ||
| She's like standing like this on the door. | ||
| Yeah, she's right on the door and she gets hit and knocked back. | ||
| It got removed from Twitter. | ||
| Did they remove it? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. | ||
| I can see it on my feed and then when I go to the... | ||
| I just retweeted it and it was removed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is why it's not the same. | ||
| This is why May is not the same. | ||
| This is why today was a mistake. | ||
| But I want to say, first off, that I understand. | ||
| I understand why people are upset. | ||
| I understand why they want to rage. | ||
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I understand why they feel like... I understand why Black Lives Matter wants to rage. | |
| Totally. | ||
| I understand why they feel like this may be their last chance to have a republic, if this is the end. | ||
| If they have a clean sweep of the legislature and the presidency, it's going to be gone. | ||
| The rest of the country is going to be gone. | ||
| I understand why people would feel upset. | ||
| The difference is, is that the MAGA insurrection, the MAGA revolution, the MAGA network is not in alignment with the corporations. | ||
| It's not in alignment with the media. | ||
| And so when Black Lives Matter and Antifa are, so Black Lives Matter and Antifa, they can go do this exact kind of thing and get a favorable reaction to their tribe and still maintain their moral victory within their tribe. | ||
| We try to do it. | ||
| And it's instantly going to get shot down. | ||
| We have no media backing. | ||
| We've got no actual narrative backing on this and it's counterproductive and it's damaging to these people. | ||
| These people that ran into the Capitol prison, prison, this dude was running around with like the, the stand, you know, like the day or smiling at the camera. | ||
| And I was like, bro, you're going to prison. | ||
| For a long time. | ||
| Like prison. | ||
| And it was just today, an hour ago at the speech, Trump goes, and you know what? | ||
| We made it 10 years to mess with any of our federal monuments or buildings or whatever | ||
| the case. | ||
| So like 10 years, dude, you're going to prison. | ||
| 10 years. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| 10 years. | ||
| And so it's not going to work. | ||
| We have to have the right has to have a different strategy than the left. | ||
| And the left strategy means that the tactics they can use are things like have riots, burn down buildings, antagonize the police, do all these things because they get echoed and support from the corporations. | ||
| MAGA cannot do it because the net result is a negative. | ||
| It's not a positive. | ||
| Nothing was gained today. | ||
| Only things were lost today. | ||
| And the people who lost that girl lost her life. | ||
| Those people are going to lose their freedom. They're going to go to prison. | ||
| And we are all going to lose liberty come this new administration when they use this | ||
| as the new impetus for the double down triple extra hard Patriot Act. | ||
| That's coming right up your ass. | ||
| Well, Chuck Schumer is comparing what happened today to Pearl Harbor. | ||
| So yes, we're going to have a lot of politicians milking this cow until the cows come home. | ||
| Until the roosters come home, I think. | ||
| And I just want to finish this thought. | ||
| I've been catching a lot of grief on Twitter today because I've been recommending that people, women and children and noncombatants get out of D.C. | ||
| tonight because it's not safe. | ||
| I've been recommending that people stay out of trouble and stay out of harm's way and not commit violence and not commit crimes. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's not the right tactic today. | ||
| All it's going to do is do harm to you. | ||
| There has to be other strategies. | ||
| We're working on them. | ||
| I'm personally working on them. | ||
| We have networks of people working on it, but we can't mimic what the other side is doing because they have a completely different setup. | ||
| They have the high ground. | ||
| High ground or not. | ||
| They just have the corporations in the media and it all works together. | ||
| Here's an analogy. | ||
| Imagine you control the high ground. | ||
| So your strategy is to aim down and fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And imagine if then the Trump supporters all see them up on top of the hill pointing their guns down and go, we should point our guns down too! | ||
| Or if they're using the throwing rocks as a tactic. | ||
| If you have a high ground it works, but the people on the bottom can't use throwing rocks as a tactic because they can't get the rocks up there. | ||
| Guns are a little different. | ||
| Antifa and the leftists, like Jack said, have corporations on their side. | ||
| Trump supporters don't. | ||
| It's not a tactic you can use. | ||
| Using gravity, yeah. | ||
| We watched Black Lives Matter get record support after George Floyd, and then they lit it on fire when they rioted. | ||
| And I've made so many videos saying, this proves, this should be the proof to everybody, violence does not work. | ||
| Again, we can talk about the Boston Tea Party, we can talk about the 1700s. | ||
| But we are in the information age. | ||
| Fifth generational warfare is about manipulation, tactics, and propaganda. | ||
| And that means they'll find a picture of you, wipe in your butt, and be like, look what he's doing! | ||
| And they'll post it everywhere and act like it's the end of the world. | ||
| But Antifa can throw a brick at someone's face and they're gonna be like, it's a peaceful protest. | ||
| In fourth or fifth generation war, there are there are additional layers to the combat space that there wasn't before. | ||
| Besides being just physical, there's mental and moral. | ||
| And in our environment, the moral plane is one of the most important ones to win. | ||
| It's not about a moral victory. | ||
| And that's something that you get even though you lost. | ||
| It's not about keeping the moral high ground about taking some sort of highfalutin, you know, in your integrity in some regard. | ||
| It's about just winning the moral war, as in having the support of the people, as in having the people on your side, as in leading people, and not pushing people away. | ||
| Storming the Capitol is going to push away people who you need the support of. | ||
| I'll stop where I was going to say. | ||
| I'm going to say this. | ||
| The cops are on video opening up the barricades. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| I saw that. And a lot of people are saying, no, no, no, that was different. That was different. | ||
| That wasn't the same moment as when they were pushing on the cops and shaking the barricades | ||
| and pulling them down. But it was a moment where the police opened up the barricades and then you | ||
| hear people yelling, they're just letting them into the Capitol. They're opening up the Capitol | ||
| building to these people like they're they're at the Capitol building when they did this. | ||
| There's there's a video, a photo going around of CBP and like locking down. And like, they're like, | ||
| we are we are we are sending out CBP officers to guard the Capitol while these protests and | ||
| riots are going on. | ||
| So a lot of people are asking why is it that this time when we knew Trump was saying. | ||
| Come on down. | ||
| It'll be wild. | ||
| We knew that the media kept saying over and over again, Trump is instigating violence. | ||
| And I laughed. | ||
| I was like, Trump said, come bro to do anything. | ||
| You're calling it instigating. | ||
| And then the police weren't there with enough force or presence to do anything to stop this, let alone them opening up the barricades. | ||
| It's I mean, it's better than down the crowd. | ||
| No, no, no, listen. | ||
| When the Black Lives Matter people were there, they had riot police with shields lining the streets. | ||
| This time, they had a couple of cops with batons. | ||
| Why was that? | ||
| Why do you think they let them in? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a number of different access points to the Capitol grounds. | ||
| That was just one of them. | ||
| There are people scaling walls. | ||
| There was another time I saw them fighting for the gates. | ||
| I mean, I have no idea what happened there. | ||
| I'm going to try to find out. | ||
| Also, another thing that I think really people need to kind of think about here. | ||
| Why are people surprised when the establishment, the mainstream media, the corporations, politicians codified and normalized violence as a way to get political power just a few weeks ago? | ||
| This is something that's becoming the new norm. | ||
| We've been calling it out no matter who does it. | ||
| And people are, of course, making arguments saying, if they did it, we could do it too. | ||
| And again, that's not a good logic. | ||
| Is it the new norm? | ||
| It's the old norm. | ||
| It's the norm norm. | ||
| It's the norm norm. | ||
| I mean, has it been this prevalent as of late? | ||
| I mean, we could make historical arguments, sure, but as of late, I think that's something that's important. | ||
| Was it just a few weeks ago? | ||
| Well, specifically when we were talking about, you know, Black Lives Matter. | ||
| Let's bring them up here in this specific context. | ||
| They got billions of dollars. | ||
| They got institutional support. | ||
| They had major corporations, major politicians supporting them after committing violent acts. | ||
| We'll talk about the differences here. | ||
| Literally paid. | ||
| So the first thing is, these are Trump supporters who shut down and breached the Electoral College vote count for the presidency. | ||
| That's serious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it was one time, and it was I think 300 people they estimated. | ||
| Black Lives Matter was what, three weeks of nationwide riots, over $2 billion in damage. | ||
| 30 people dead or something? | ||
| 30-plus people died in the riots, not all from rioters, but in riots and fires and things like that. | ||
| They were underreported and confiscated, even by the reporting by Michael Tracy, who went out there and covered that the damage was far bigger than we even knew about it. | ||
| And then, how much money did Black Lives Matter bring in? | ||
| $10 billion. | ||
| They were given money. | ||
| What lesson does that teach the average person out there who's paying attention? | ||
| What lesson does that kind of show? | ||
| What works to the average person? | ||
| Destroying private property is okay, but if you mess with government property, it's not okay. | ||
| Right, it should be the other way around. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's it. Well, and then and you know, you said that that the the left lit the goodwill on fire | ||
| that they gained through the protests earlier this year. I think that that's not entirely true. | ||
| As I was downtown, I noted I every time I looked up, each building had a giant Black Lives Matter | ||
| banner on it. The churches have them covering it, you know, the it's it's everywhere. They | ||
| It's like they won. | ||
| They won in D.C. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| Black Lives Matter has not extinguished any of its support. | ||
| It has not burned through that capital that it earned aside from the $10 billion. | ||
| And if you can't take any lesson at all, it's like you do that. | ||
| But that's the problem. | ||
| They were baited. | ||
| We were baited into behaving like Antifa and Black Lives Matter when we cannot. | ||
| It is counterproductive to our strategy. | ||
| Let me back this up. | ||
| That's correct, yes. | ||
| I think you're right that people do generally support Black Lives Matter. | ||
| But I have a graph here that I want people to see, which I've shown before. | ||
| It's from Civics. | ||
| Black Lives Matter registered voters, do you support or oppose the Black Lives Matter movement? | ||
| Right after the George Floyd incident, net support for Black Lives... I'm sorry, right before George Floyd lost his life, net support for Black Lives Matter was at 18%. | ||
| So that means like above the margin, like above 50%. | ||
| When the protests spiked, 24% net support, and the riots started. | ||
| Before, remember, before George Floyd, Black Lives Matter enjoyed 18%, the riots hit and it dropped from 24 all the way down to 8% where it currently sits right now, 8%. | ||
| They had 18, they lost 10% of their net support in this country by rioting, and it has not come back. | ||
| So they do enjoy general support on average in this country, but there was a point where even conservatives were like, I understand this George Floyd thing was really bad. | ||
| Then they went and burned down mom and pop shops. | ||
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| It's not like the Morgan network went into this scene at the Capitol building with credit, goodwill credit in the bank. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They already went in negative. | ||
| Oh, and money on the run from the debtor creditors trying to chase them down. | ||
| And then they go and then they, they, they just chop their face off, man. | ||
| But you know, so the editor. | ||
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That I replayed her you put that down with cop chop chop But they're saying that | |
| One of these guys like a really well-known Q conspiracy guy like the Viking guy has been seen at events holding up | ||
| signs for Q Some people are trying to claim these black lives matter | ||
| and well, he may have been at an event But they cropped out there's a photo I see going around and | ||
| you can't see what the sign says It's cropped out. | ||
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Q sent me. | |
| Yes, I think it pretty much says that. | ||
| Literally, it says, Q sent me. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| That's a sign that he has there. | ||
| There's a meme of him now and it has that famous picture and it says, when you ordered the village people from Wish, and then it's a picture of him and all the other people standing in the background there. | ||
| But again, a lot of disinformation, a lot of people just manipulating facts, editorializing so they could push a certain agenda. | ||
| And when we just stop looking at these agendas, we see a very, very, very bad picture. | ||
| of more fuel on the fire and that's exactly what's happening with all the reporting supposedly that's going on today with again just trying to get as much disinformation trying to get as much propaganda trying to brainwash people to make you understand that guy's going to hurt you you need to fight him at all costs and now we're here at this stage and we're not going to be going away anytime soon because the algorithms that incentivize it the mainstream media that spews it the politicians who allow it They're the ones who are still sadly at the helms that are going to be expanding it and pushing this to a level that it's going to become more and more unlivable and more and more apparent. | ||
| Whatever the conditions were that launched Trump into presidency in 2016 are today now going to get much worse than they were in 2015. | ||
| It's going to be worse than the last term of the Obama presidency. | ||
| They've got more money. | ||
| They're better established. | ||
| They've taken over more institutions. | ||
| It's more in our schools. | ||
| It's more in our kids. | ||
| Our kids are just reciting things without even understanding it. | ||
| So if you didn't like the way things were before, I have a feeling you're not going to like them very much in the next three years. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, I have an important update. | ||
| I just got a notification. | ||
| Google has disabled chat on this stream. | ||
| Why's that? | ||
| For obvious reasons. | ||
| Get out of town chat has been disabled. | ||
| So no more chat for the people who are watching but they're allowing the stream to continue because I guess I guess because our Conversation is is calm and reasonable and you know, we're very much very anti-violence chats saying stuff. | ||
| We're not even making any allegations We're just telling you what other people are saying chat has been disabled for things that people are saying they can't control and we can't moderate Wow, so they're shutting it down Wow, okay. | ||
| Welcome to whatever is coming next. | ||
| Oh I got no idea. | ||
| We're watching it in action. | ||
| But I just got contacted by Google right now. | ||
| We noticed that chat wasn't working. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're making arguments against radicalization. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's not on us. | ||
| The stream's okay. | ||
| Yeah, the chat can get spicy. | ||
| Yeah, but you still get punished because, again, people come to engage. | ||
| People want to have those conversations and they can't right now. | ||
| I'd love to read the chat. | ||
| Well, what better segue than to talk about what's going on with Trump and Twitter. | ||
| And let me tell you right now. | ||
| So what I'm being told is that, for those that are just tuning in, chat has been disabled because people in comments are inciting violence, calling for more, and things like that. | ||
| And there's just too many comments. | ||
| I mean, we've got about 100,000 people who are live right now. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| A lot's going on. | ||
| So I'll say this. | ||
| Let me ask you guys your opinions, because I think it's a tough call when you have tons of people encouraging and inciting, especially at a time when things are so precarious. | ||
| And, you know, Google is basically saying, keep doing the stream. | ||
| It's not on you guys, but we can't control this. | ||
| How do you guys feel about this disabling? | ||
| Whenever you stop conversations from happening, you fuel bad conversations. | ||
| What's the saying? | ||
| If you want to defeat a bad idea, you defeat it with good ideas. | ||
| But by censoring it, you make it fester in the darkest, nastiest, ugliest elements of the internet that do exist and will continue to exist and will even persist even more once you censor that conversation from taking place. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But there's a difference between saying bad opinions and inciting violence. | ||
| Well, if someone's docking someone or saying, well, obviously those individuals should be obviously dealt with, with the first amendment and the law, like we have on the books right now. | ||
| Of course, that's something that that's has been followed. | ||
| And that's nothing different. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I'm just saying in this capacity, I am 100% against inciting violence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I always say this free speech stops. | ||
| We start directing people to commit crimes and hurt others. | ||
| YouTube is saying right now that too many people in the chat are saying that. | ||
| As a moderator from Minds, I think that they did the right thing because it's illegal to incite violence. | ||
| And if they leave an incitement of violence on their platform, they become liable. | ||
| Deal with those individuals though. | ||
| Don't take down a whole conversation. | ||
| The problem with the live chat is you're right, but we have a hundred thousand people. | ||
| So what they'll do is they'll go on the comments later and they'll remove any violence incitements and they'll strike those accounts. | ||
| But it was just too much at once for them to, for any moderator or AI probably even to control. | ||
| I'll tell you guys what. | ||
| It's really, really simple. | ||
| Who wants to be the official Twitter chat question receiver? | ||
| I can do it. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| Everybody actually. | ||
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Yeah, right now at Sour Patch Lids. | |
| You can follow at Sour Patch Lids and tweet at questions. | ||
| Oh, at JackMurphyLive. | ||
| There you go, at JackMurphyLive. | ||
| At LukeWeAreChange. | ||
| LukeWeAreChange. | ||
| Feel free to ask me anything and then we'll do the questions. | ||
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Just not me, because I don't check notifications. | |
| I check mine for sure. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| We'll use Twitter and in that capacity, Twitter is Look, if you break Twitter's rules, of course I'm one of the most free speech people when it comes to social media platforms, but I guess that's the best we can do for now. | ||
| So you guys, check your Twitter feeds. | ||
| We can do questions that way later on in the show, and we can have the chat. | ||
| You guys can tweet at us. | ||
| I already tweeted out, no chat for you, because we don't have chat anymore, you may have noticed. | ||
| So if you guys want to send me any questions you have or whatever on there, that would be good. | ||
| Sourpatchlets, at Sourpatchlets on Twitter. | ||
| Oh, we just invited, we just invited the TimCast IRL chat into my mentions. | ||
| Godspeed, Jack. | ||
| They're good people. | ||
| I welcome them. | ||
| I love them too. | ||
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They're a wild bunch. | |
| What? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, so here's the news from CNBC. | ||
| Twitter locks Trump's account following video addressing Washington rioters. | ||
| Twitter said on Wednesday it would lock the account of the president for 12 hours after he posted tweets continuing to make false claims about the election. | ||
| Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter on Wednesday removed a video by President Donald Trump addressing Washington rioters. | ||
| Meanwhile, calls are mounting for Twitter and Facebook to suspend Trump's accounts. | ||
| So I don't know if they have the I don't think they're going to show what Trump said. | ||
| Uh, so I guess I can, we can only sort of allude to it because it's been banned from everywhere, which is really dangerous in my opinion. | ||
| Is this that one tweet that got taken down? | ||
| Two tweets. | ||
| And then he's, he's, he's banned from using the account for, for 12 hours. | ||
| I watched the video and in the video he says, okay guys, go home. | ||
| He's, he's urging his supporters to, to leave the Capitol. | ||
| So those are important videos that I think, you know, maybe some people should See, I don't think censoring it is going to help anything. | ||
| I think that's a bad idea, but one of the tweets that got removed was him saying, or it was a post on Facebook as well, he said, you know, this is what happens when there's a landslide and it's stolen. | ||
| Never, go home and in peace, never forget this day. | ||
| Yeah, it says, when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Ceremony, what was? | ||
| How was that even a landslide? | ||
| He's just such a blowhard. | ||
| I don't like that guy, man. | ||
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I don't like the way he governs. | |
| So they removed it. | ||
| That was wrong. | ||
| I wouldn't remove that. | ||
| What they have done is, there's a fire going on right now. | ||
| And it's bigger and more dangerous than we've ever seen. | ||
| To the point where YouTube has literally disabled our comments. | ||
| And they come out and they say, guys, we're gonna help put this fire out. | ||
| and they like their flamethrowers and they spray fire all over everything. | ||
| Put out fire with fire. | ||
| And they tell you they're making it, I mean they're making it worse, but they tell you | ||
| they're putting the fire out while they spray. | ||
| It's firemen coming out like in Fahrenheit 451 with flamethrowers saying we're the firemen. | ||
| You can't extinguish fire with fire. | ||
| Why didn't they do the same to CNN, that spewing hyperbolic nonsense? | ||
| Are they going to do the same to the mainstream media because it's only fair if they do it | ||
| to them now? | ||
| And then again, we have to look here. | ||
| CNN openly told people protests are not supposed to be peaceful. | ||
| They're the ones that were inciting violence not so long ago. | ||
| And I mean, we're here actually having a conversation trying to break down what's happening and why it's happening. | ||
| And I think understanding a problem leads us towards fixing it. | ||
| But censoring conversations, censoring dialogue, censoring speech, it's only going to create a worse problem in my opinion. | ||
| That's what I personally think. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There is a value to censoring. | ||
| Okay, the word censor just means to be the gatekeeper. | ||
| So you can censor something and allow it to exist, and censor something and take it down. | ||
| It's your choice. | ||
| You are the censor. | ||
| You're just taking information. | ||
| That's the censorship. | ||
| Frozen cons, yes. | ||
| There's a benefit to censorship. | ||
| It's just we believe in liberty and I think, if you go by the root definition of the word, removing someone who has an opinion which would incite violence would be censorship to a certain degree, but we accept these limits. | ||
| And if it's not illegal, then we accept it. | ||
| If it's illegal, then we have to censor it. | ||
| We're supposed to, anyway. | ||
| On the margin, somehow, banning Trump from his Twitter at this point in time is going to increase agitation among the people who are already agitated, yeah? | ||
| Do you think that that was the intended consequence or accidental byproduct of the Twitter action? | ||
| I think it's accidental. | ||
| I think these people are really, really, really dumb. | ||
| It's what I refer to as a Chinese finger trap problem. | ||
| Everyone's seen those little toys. | ||
| You put your fingers in, you pull, and it gets tighter the harder you pull, and that's what they're doing. | ||
| They don't realize that a lot of the anger we're seeing is because of this. | ||
| And so at one of the worst possible moments, they said, let's really remind each and every one of these people who is losing their mind how much we hate them. | ||
| That's the message being sent out. | ||
| And it's terrifying. | ||
| This is the wrong move for everybody. | ||
| And that's what really freaks me out. | ||
| When CNN on the TV, I cannot believe what I was hearing. | ||
| They said it's insurrection in DC and all this stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, you guys are throwing kerosene into the fire pit. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They know that they can continue to just keep doing this to make things worse. | ||
| If it bleeds, it leads, they say in media. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| But, you know, from their perspective, it does feel like an insurgency to them. | ||
| An insurrection. | ||
| An insurrection. | ||
| It feels like it to them. | ||
| I think that they truly believe it, and that when they say that, that is an honest statement in congruency with their inner self. | ||
| Like, that's what they feel, how they see the world, and they feel like they're telling the truth. | ||
| And I believe, to the extent that it's possible, that that's an honest statement coming from them. | ||
| But how would that be? | ||
| How do you think they would see that as an insurrection? | ||
| Because it feels like it because they think Trump is a fascist because they think that we're all fascists and because they think that there was people going to take over the Capitol with armed weapons or burn it down, disrupt constitutional processes. | ||
| Look guys, they disrupted the moment that the left has been just begging for and dying for ever since November of 2015. | ||
| This was the moment. | ||
| And it was disrupted. | ||
| So, of course, it feels like an insurrection to them. | ||
| Of course, it feels like it quite literally was a disruption of a constitutional process that was going to lead to their president that they wanted to have. | ||
| How else would you view it if you were them? | ||
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Well, that's sorry, guys. | |
| That shows that CNN doesn't view half of this country as legitimate. | ||
| I thought we were beyond talking about that. | ||
| That's taken. | ||
| But I think you're right, and I think it's exactly my point. | ||
| Our points are the same. | ||
| They did storm the Capitol and install a Viking on the throne. | ||
| They have a right to feel that way, but when you look at the actual kind of events, it's disorganized. | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
| Any kind of unified plan or action by the vice president or the president, you have the vice president coming out, you have the president come in and saying legitimately, hey guys, it's important that we bring everyone back home, you know, protect the police officers, back the blue. | ||
| That's literally the messaging happening in there. | ||
| Nothing was really, it doesn't seem like it from my own personal experiences, like nothing was really planned and organized here. | ||
| It's just no, it seems like it's it's something that happened from the utter chaos that has been building and spewing and they've been trying to keep under and the more they try to keep it under the more kind of pop. | ||
| I let me tell you continue to pop up with these kind of activities. | ||
| Here is someone that deserves the blame. | ||
| Sydney Powell. | ||
| That crackin' shit. | ||
| Lin Wood. | ||
| Lin Wood. | ||
| These people and Q, these people and these networks and that thing, they pump people full of false hope. | ||
| They riled people up and they promised them that something was coming. | ||
| But it's just been getting crazier and crazier and crazier. | ||
| I mean, come on, Lin Wood tweeting that Mike Pence needs to be removed and charged with treason? | ||
| He may be having a psychotic breakdown or something. | ||
| 20,000 retweets, not a ratio. | ||
| People were pushing this and supporting this. | ||
| Well, yeah, of all the tweets that they should have been censoring, it should have been those. | ||
| They should have censored him and been like, go talk to your therapist, right? | ||
| Like people in an obvious mental breakdown, they should block those people. | ||
| But seriously... I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think he should have been banned. | ||
| I'm being tongue-in-cheek. | ||
| This is not my official courtroom position on that matter. | ||
| We're just talking a little ish on that. | ||
| But it's an important point to bring up. | ||
| Lin Wood was saying crazy stuff. | ||
| And it should be a reminder to everybody, like, don't listen. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, this is why this guy is not trustworthy. | ||
| And I'm seeing tons of Trump supporters being like, dude, this guy's losing it. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| You know, he's having a break or something. | ||
| But you know, even from people that I thought were savvy, whatever, I get these messages, trust the plan. | ||
| Well, you don't know what's going to happen in Georgia and just wait till the 6th and oh my God, this is going to happen. | ||
| These people were waiting for something, and you know what? | ||
| Trump was there. | ||
| I think that they thought, maybe, that Trump was going to make this speech on the Ellipse, was going to lay it all out finally. | ||
| Was the finally the trust- There's no plan. | ||
| I know. | ||
| The trust the plan moment was this was supposed to be their climax, I think. | ||
| And then they were let down. | ||
| This is the first comment that I got from people coming in and asking questions and comments. | ||
| And one of them says, what are people supposed to do when they lose their voice and the courts | ||
| are scared or unwilling to see or hear the problem? | ||
| That's the point of view from- Nonviolent civil disobedience. | ||
| Like I mentioned the other day, what would have happened if a bunch of Trump supporters | ||
| were just standing in the roads and people couldn't get through? | ||
| Nonviolent civil disobedience. | ||
| And create a new network, create a new concept for people to rely on, like a new constitution. | ||
| It's fifth generational warfare, okay? | ||
| Not warfare in the sense of people fighting, it's in the battle for the mind, it's the battle for resources and for ideology. | ||
| And that means you win when you are moral, when you are principled, when you are persuasive. | ||
| Tim, I've been talking about these issues for the better part of two years now. | ||
| A lot of my podcasts with John Robb, we talk about fourth generation warfare inside the liminal order. | ||
| We study fourth generation warfare, how it impacts us, how we can use it in the world to manifest more of our values. | ||
| But Tim, I got to ask you a personal question. | ||
| Of all the times I've been on this show, like 10 times by now, I've never heard you use these phrases, 5th generational. | ||
| Well, did you have a guest on recently where you had an in-depth conversation about it? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We were privately talking about it for weeks. | ||
| Yeah, I've been posting about 4th and 5th generational warfare for a year or two. | ||
| But you're absolutely right. | ||
| We're speaking the same exact language and it's a completely different battle space. | ||
| Like, trying to storm the Capitol makes no sense. | ||
| It has no place in a war that's fought on a moral and mental dimension. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| Think about, what do you do inside the Capitol? | ||
| Like, what did anyone think would happen? | ||
| You go in and you have no institutional power or control or confidence. | ||
| One thing I've been saying a whole lot, the purpose of fifth generational warfare, which more has to do with media and propaganda, is building confidence in your system. | ||
| This is why I've been saying that Lin Wood is one of the most destructive and dangerous things for Trump and his | ||
| supporters because he's stripping Trump of legitimacy. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Trump didn't come out and disavow or shut it down, and Trump supporters didn't either, and that's how they lost | ||
| legitimacy. | ||
| Every Trump supporter I know in my network disavowed and shot down Lin Wood. | ||
| I'm not saying every single Trump supporter was like, I'll keep my mouth shut. | ||
| No, it was that there were many Trump supporters who are retweeting and propping it up. | ||
| And there were not the prominent ones, not a lot of, uh, you know, higher profile personalities, but I would tweet something like, you know, uh, it's, it's about time a loved one took Linwood's phone away. | ||
| And I get people saying, like, you should really be asking more serious questions and wondering why he's actually saying these things. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, Mike Pence is not going to get arrested. | ||
| Mike Pence is not committing treason. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| What was Lin Wood's claim to fame? | ||
| You told me this before. | ||
| He represented somebody. | ||
| That movie that just came out recently about the guy and what was it? | ||
| He got falsely accused of planning a bomb. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| Richard Jewell, I think was his name. | ||
| Oh, Richard Jewell. | ||
| Yeah, that was the Atlanta bombing. | ||
| Was that Lin Wood who did that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Richard Jewell was Atlanta. | ||
| There's new breaking news happening right now with Loeffner no longer objecting. | ||
| So right now it looks like they're proceeding with the certification. | ||
| Mike Pence was just making a speech and it looks like they're going forward with the vote. | ||
| No surprise. | ||
| And then here's an excellent instance of how what happened today was counterproductive. | ||
| How many dissenting votes on the floor now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| probably none. None. Yeah. They were going to. Is it is it is it literally none or are we just. | ||
| Oh I don't know. I haven't seen it. It's about to happen or it's happening right now. That | ||
| stripped Trump of what legit what legitimacy and support he had. I thought Rand Paul said there | ||
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would be none. Yeah Rand Paul said that's it they'll come in. It's not that I'm opposed to | |
| taking action. It's that I'm opposed to taking stupid counterproductive you know kamikaze without | ||
| the damage to the other side action which is what happened today. I'm opposed to general | ||
| destruction and vandalism and violence because it's just morally wrong. And I've said this | ||
| since I started doing this work. You cannot build a better world using the tactics of those you | ||
| oppose. It's. | ||
| I've seen it from Antifa and Occupy Wall Street, and we're seeing this now. | ||
| When you think, I can create a better world if only I use the tactics that are wrong, then you've created a world built off of wrong tactics, and then how do you keep your glorious revolution, how do you stop the next one, right? | ||
| That's it saying. | ||
| Once you have your revolution, and you win, and you're victorious, how do you stop the next great revolution from happening? | ||
| When Occupy Wall Street had these Black Bloc people, They kept saying you have to respect the diversity of tactics. | ||
| And that was code for allow the violent people. | ||
| And I said, no. | ||
| We want a better world. | ||
| We want a peaceful world. | ||
| We want people who will talk to each other, communicate, cooperate, right? | ||
| You can't build that by violence. | ||
| You can't build it destroying things because what happens is the people who are violent take power. | ||
| They feel justified using violence. | ||
| And then they have a brand new system that uses violence to suppress those they don't like. | ||
| And when it was going down, I always remember saying, every action has an equal reaction. | ||
| And if you think there's not going to be an equal reaction to what's happening, especially during the summer, especially during the riots, even before that, we've seen similar conflicts. | ||
| We've seen the mainstream media egg it on. | ||
| We've seen the mainstream media bastardize it. | ||
| We've seen the mainstream media promote certain different ideas out there. | ||
| I think, really, when we look at the people that are responsible, you have to make The people who are pointing and making people believe this, an element that really should be held responsible in my opinion. | ||
| I'm worried about what the dramatic escalation is already going to be. | ||
| Well, you know, Civil War's trending on Twitter, so people are already talking about this. | ||
| There's also people talking about Area 51. | ||
| It's trending right now as well, and some people are jokingly saying, well, now maybe we could try the Area 51 raid. | ||
| But again, that's satire and obviously facetiousness of what people are expressing right now on Twitter. | ||
| And when you really look at the hashtags, white privilege, treason, what else is there, Schumer, we're seeing a lot of hyperbolic, bipartisan craziness that's only going to get more out of hand. | ||
| Let me tell you what I think may be the most destructive and dangerous thing this country has seen yet from Cori Bush. | ||
| She's a newly elected, I believe. | ||
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| Progressive. | ||
| She tweeted, my first resolution in Congress will be to call for the expulsion of the Republican members of Congress who incited this domestic terror attack on the Capitol. | ||
| 20,000 retweets? | ||
| How many retweets does that have? | ||
| That'll go nowhere. | ||
| It's not about that. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| What people need to understand, you know, when they were saying that Mike Pence doesn't have the power or the authority, it's about willpower. | ||
| We're human beings. | ||
| We're not computer programs. | ||
| What's to stop me right now from getting up and just leaving? | ||
| People would be like, that's crazy! | ||
| Tim left his show and now it's like, he's not there anymore? | ||
| He's just gone to the empty chair? | ||
| It's not likely to happen. | ||
| But I could do it if I wanted to. | ||
| Mike Pence could have walked out of the building. | ||
| Mike Pence could have said whatever he wants. | ||
| When Cori Bush says it's going to be a resolution, I think you're right. | ||
| Probably won't go anywhere. | ||
| But think about the message being sent now at a time of extreme hyperpolarization. | ||
| I will expel you! | ||
| I will try to remove you. | ||
| She's like, I'm part of the, what do they call that group of people? | ||
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| Yeah, I'm part of the squad now. | ||
| She's just this like, this excessively radical politician and she's like all about tribalism. | ||
| She wants to be part of this group and she wants to do this stupidly radical expulsion of senators. | ||
| Well listen, there's more. | ||
| Hold on, there's more. | ||
| She tweeted, I'm calling for the removal of every GOP member involved in today's coup. | ||
| If you're with me, sign your name to my petition to send them a message that you will not stand for their treason. | ||
| Do you want to know what my biggest criticisms of Linwood was? | ||
| This is a freshman congressman? | ||
| A freshman congressman. | ||
| But listen. | ||
| You know what the problem is with Lynne Wood saying Mike Pence committed treason? | ||
| Do you know what the penalty for treason is? | ||
| Death. | ||
| Death. | ||
| And when Cori Bush, a sitting member of the House who just got elected, is saying that Republicans should be expelled for their treason, this is an escalation that is... Listen, when I have been saying that I see this coming and I see this escalating, I'm not saying it should happen. | ||
| It shouldn't happen and people need to stop. | ||
| The problem is, Nobody will accept the other side de-escalating at all. | ||
| They won't. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So, Cori Bush is not going to say, I will be the person to say, I'm calming down. | ||
| We need to learn to work together and solve this problem. | ||
| Some have. | ||
| Some have. | ||
| I think your Chinese finger trap metaphor is fantastic because especially if me and you both have our fingers in the trap, if we're not talking to each other, we're not going to be able to coordinate pushing in together to get out together. | ||
| That's a really good analogy for the tribalism. | ||
| It's not just one person with their hand stuck, it's both stuck in the trap trying to break out of it by pulling as hard as they can instead of talking it through, calming things down, and working things out. | ||
| But we're on the trap. | ||
| The trap is social media. | ||
| The social media that distributes images and videos that trigger your empathetic reactions and sort you by tribe based on instinct and gut. | ||
| So it's giving us tightening impulses where we think the other person's polling and when they're actually not. | ||
| Algorithms and news organizations that know if they get you in a fear state that they get more clicks, that they get more revenue, that they get more engagement, and they willingly keep incentivizing these actions that keep bringing us at each other's throats. | ||
| And here we are today. | ||
| And if you haven't already, smash that like button. | ||
| We love your likes. | ||
| They really do help. | ||
| But look, I don't have to be an algorithm or a news organization to know what you're saying is true. | ||
| I can see it. | ||
| When I tweet about Antifa and Antifa violence, mad engagement. | ||
| I tweet about positive, constructive things that you can do in your life. | ||
| What is the alternative? | ||
| What can we do? | ||
| Medium engagement, not nothing. | ||
| Come on, come on. | ||
| So I really do genuinely just tweet what I think randomly. | ||
| Sometimes I'll see something and I'll tweet about it, right? | ||
| He has funny thoughts. | ||
| So there's a bunch of tweets that I'll post that'll do really, really well. | ||
| But then a good example is when I criticize the likes of Lin Wood and I get ratioed by people who are critical or saying, well, let's wait to see how things play out. | ||
| I don't care if people retweet me or not. | ||
| I don't ask, please retweet this. | ||
| I just tweet what I'm thinking. | ||
| Sometimes my thoughts resonate with people and sometimes they don't. | ||
| But there are a lot of people who purposefully know what they're doing and drive it on purpose. | ||
| Now, many of these people like to accuse me of doing that. | ||
| It's just not true. | ||
| I just say what I think. | ||
| We also got some other news. | ||
| So it looks like the chair of CPAC was wrong. | ||
| It wasn't a 16-year-old girl. | ||
| We're getting information from the New York Post that this was specifically an Air Force veteran that served in the military for 14 years and had done four tours of duty that passed away and died today from California. | ||
| Tragic. | ||
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| Wow, man. | ||
| And you know what the problem is? | ||
| A lot of these people didn't know what they were doing. | ||
| They just didn't know anything. | ||
| They didn't know. | ||
| There was a video we were watching. | ||
| I was watching it on Twitter of this woman and she's crying and someone asks her, you know, what happened? | ||
| And she goes, I got maced. | ||
| And they were like, why did you get maced? | ||
| She goes, we tried entering the building and I got two feet in and then the police maced me. | ||
| And they go, why were you trying to get in the building? | ||
| And she goes, we're storming the Capitol. | ||
| It's a revolution. | ||
| She had no idea what she was talking about. | ||
| She has no idea what they were doing. | ||
| Foot soldiers, stooges, tools, pawns. | ||
| Like, okay, the street soldiers for Antifa are pawns. | ||
| It's their network. | ||
| Do you think the network really cares about those Antifa scrubs? | ||
| And no, hold on, hold on. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| I just don't want our people used as pawns, as tools. | ||
| In 1800, getting into the building would have had value. | ||
| Cause that's where all the paperwork was. | ||
| That's where the doc, It's all on the internet now. | ||
| It's all stored in servers in Alaska. | ||
| And something you've been bringing up, Ian, is like, why don't they just vote remote? | ||
| And they probably are. | ||
| We don't even know it. | ||
| They have tunnels under... They don't need to be in the Capitol. | ||
| That building's point... It's ceremonial at this point. | ||
| This is... Other breaking news. | ||
| Tucker Carlson just said that the cabinet is considering invoking the 25th Amendment. | ||
| This is from Tucker Carlson of Fox News reporting this right now. | ||
| Trump's cabinet? | ||
| Or the new... The cabinet. | ||
| That's what I'm getting right now. | ||
| Is that the group Nancy Pelosi created or whatever? | ||
| Or is it Trump's cabinet? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm gonna look into this more. | ||
| So, in DC, they wanted... I mean, there's so much we haven't even got into. | ||
| The pipe bombs and stuff we gotta talk about. | ||
| I'll tell you what really freaked me out. | ||
| You know what really freaked me out, Jack? | ||
| When Virginia announced they were sending in Virginia National Guard into a federal jurisdiction. | ||
| When Maryland announced they were sending in National Guard into a federal jurisdiction. | ||
| At the request of the mayor. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I saw the whole thing happen. | ||
| The mayor requested Virginia and Maryland? | ||
| Yeah, because the mayor requested the National Guard. | ||
| And the Pentagon said no. | ||
| So then she went and she requested local jurisdictional help. | ||
| There are Fairfax County cops down there. | ||
| There are Montgomery County cops down there. | ||
| Mike Pence issued a statement ordering the DC National Guard to step up. | ||
| Trump didn't do it. | ||
| Yeah, this is what I don't understand, why the National Guard was rejected. | ||
| There's a lot of confusing things. | ||
| I mean, look, first of all, last time there wasn't any damage like this, okay? | ||
| And all the protests and riots before, it has been BLM and Antifa, and the police force escalated as the violence escalated, and they finally escalated the police force enough to put it down. | ||
| Maybe people just didn't assume that the MAGA folks were going to come and storm the Capitol. | ||
| I said, I do my segments, 10 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m. | ||
| My 1 p.m. | ||
| segment, I'm like, there's a lot of people, nothing's gonna happen. | ||
| You know, I was like, Trump supporters don't do this stuff, right? | ||
| They wave little American flags, they're in the ellipse, they're waiting for Trump, Trump's gonna speak, he's gonna say his piece, and they're gonna leave. | ||
| And then I remember, like, the video goes up, and then it was like 1.46, this woman gets shot or whatever, and I'm like, my video's been up for 45 minutes, and I said this wasn't gonna happen, and it's happening right now. | ||
| You incited it. | ||
| So it's so insane that I could say two things. | ||
| Violence does not work. | ||
| And I showed you the graph. | ||
| I showed you Black Lives Matter losing all their support by rioting. | ||
| Don't do it! | ||
| And I can say, I don't even think Trump supporters will do it. | ||
| I've been saying for the week going up to it, roads are being closed, so I don't know if I'm going to go there anyway. | ||
| And I don't think Trump supporters are going to do much. | ||
| If anything, you would assume people would say Tim was discouraging people from going. | ||
| But this is the problem. | ||
| The left and the right, to varying degrees, don't care. | ||
| And what I mean by that is, the left believes genuinely that the right doesn't care, and the right believes genuinely the left doesn't care, and so both sides are unwilling to back down. | ||
| There's not going to be a compromise on these issues. | ||
| And what happens when you perpetrate one side? | ||
| The other side gets even stronger, and then it just keeps going back and forth in this continual cycle. | ||
| Oh, well, you know who loves this? | ||
| The security apparatus. | ||
| They're all sitting in their private room, popping champagne and high-fiving each other. | ||
| Dude, they're already drafting up their brand new counterinsurgency task force for the United States to go after everybody that ever tweeted on a MAGA hashtag. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| This was... | ||
| Such a blunder. | ||
| I cannot emphasize this enough. | ||
| They were going to come after us anyway. | ||
| The Trumpification talk had already begun. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| But now, on the eve of them taking power, we have literally, we, these guys, Storm Capital, have handed the incoming administration this just free pass to crack down. | ||
| They will have the full support of the American people because, hey, there's a revolution going on in D.C. | ||
| Got to put it down. | ||
| Got to put down white supremacists, the worst national security threat, according to the FBI bull. | ||
| And so now they're going to have like basically what do you call it when like a mandate, they have a mandate. | ||
| They will have a mandate now to crack down on people, on speech, on everything else, make everything worse. | ||
| Loughner on the House floor just said, quote, when I arrived in Washington this morning, I fully intended to object the certification of the electoral votes. | ||
| However, the events that have transpired today have forced me to reconsider and I cannot now in good conscience object. | ||
| So those are the comments that were just issued. | ||
| Okay, so who wins? | ||
| The only winners here are the left. | ||
| Private security agencies? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So they won. | ||
| MAGA, no way. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| This is the end of MAGA. | ||
| Trump is, they're talking about invoking the 25th. | ||
| That's where you take the acting president out? | ||
| The vice president says he's unable to do his job. | ||
| They remove him. | ||
| And I said earlier, I would not be surprised now if they impeach and remove as like an immediate. | ||
| And this is the perfect opportunity to do it. | ||
| Look, they claim Trump was instigating and all this stuff. | ||
| Trump was definitely talking about the evidence, the election. | ||
| He's very energetic, but he didn't tell anybody to go do anything. | ||
| I was at the speech. | ||
| It was dry. And what I what I noted was that he he did talk about some dominion and last-minute vote switching and yada | ||
| yada But he emphasized very concrete pieces of evidence Matt Brainerd | ||
| type evidence, you know out-of-state voters dead voters, whatever | ||
| He's like I'm gonna bore you with all the details because he was there to lay out his key | ||
| He even prefaced, like, please don't hate me when I'm so boring. | ||
| And then he pretty much put the ball in Mike Pence's court, which everyone was saying that was a pretty weak move. | ||
| If you really care about this, you wouldn't put all the responsibilities on Mike Pence, who publicly disagreed with you on this particular topic. | ||
| So he conceded in front of everyone today, basically. | ||
| He said, I'll never concede! | ||
| But the speech was a concession. | ||
| He gave the ball to Mike Pence. | ||
| I think that's fair to say. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the easiest way to be like, I'm not conceding. | ||
| It just Pence isn't supporting me. | ||
| I mean, let's be honest here. | ||
| He was already planning on a golfing trip on the inauguration, uh, during, uh, you know, Scotland said Scotland said no because of COVID. | ||
| So there's also that important merit to bring up here and people should also understand. | ||
| I think this is the, I think it's, I think it's the end. | ||
| Do you disagree? | ||
| Well, no, I was just shaking my, I don't know if I agree or not, but I was shaking my head at the idea that this moment is the worst possible thing that could happen to the emergent Trump nationalist populism that was trying to form, trying to come out of this. | ||
| Stop the steal. | ||
| Stop the steal. | ||
| Could have been literal, could have been metaphorical, just the same way build the wall was literal and metaphorical, pulling back from globalism and, you know, erecting barriers in general. | ||
| Stop the steal. | ||
| Stop them from stealing our government. | ||
| Stop the critical race theorists from taking over the government. | ||
| Stop the radical left from taking over our institutions. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| So there was like a seed. | ||
| There's energy. | ||
| And then something like this is bad. | ||
| Bad jews. | ||
| Bad jews for the energy. | ||
| Jack, I got bad news for you. | ||
| Tell me. | ||
| Do you know what the number five top trending hashtag is on Twitter right now? | ||
| F around to find out? | ||
| White privilege. | ||
| Oh, because that white chick got shot for storming the Capitol? | ||
| Uh, probably because what they've been saying is, look what happens when Black Lives Matter protests. | ||
| They get all these different agencies surrounding. | ||
| I mean, look, it's actually a fair point, but not necessarily for entirely what they're saying. | ||
| They're saying, when Black Lives Matter comes to the Capitol, they go crazy with mass security, right? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| They didn't do that this time. | ||
| But guess who loses in the end? | ||
| It's the MAGA. | ||
| It's Trump supporters. | ||
| Well, Trump wouldn't call on the National Guard. | ||
| He denied the mayor of the National Guard. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| The National Guard said no to the request. | ||
| I thought Trump said no. | ||
| Are you sure they said no? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Denied. | ||
| I mean, I saw reports on Twitter and then the follow on events line up to me to say that this was likely to have happened in that they went to the National Guard first. | ||
| No. | ||
| And now they call in cops from Loudoun County. | ||
| Is it Trump who authorized the authorization? | ||
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| Chris Miller is. | ||
| But Chris Miller reports to Trump, so there's a whole lot that could happen there. | ||
| What I heard was that the National Guard had already been given orders on how they were assisting local law enforcement. | ||
| When the mayor came in and said, we want you to move, they said, that's got to go through standardized procedure, so we can't do that. | ||
| Trump did not say, give them the request. | ||
| Mike Pence eventually stepped in and said, do it. | ||
| And then they did. | ||
| So Trump didn't do it. | ||
| Yeah, there's so much fake news and nonsense out there. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if even I should address this, uh, specifically with what Keith Olbermann just said. | ||
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| But you won't believe it. | ||
| He's left-wing. | ||
| We need to see both sides. | ||
| Is it about baseball? | ||
| We must know all sides. | ||
| He said, quote, the United States of America was today the victim of a terrorist attack orchestrated by the President of the United States. | ||
| Today, Donald Trump's 9-11 attack on America. | ||
| He's comparing what happened. | ||
| Yeah, Keith Olbermann's 9-11 attack. | ||
| He reminds me of that guy, Murat, in the French Revolution. | ||
| Remember that writer, The Friend of the People, I think was his news organization? | ||
| The guy with the condition? | ||
| Yeah, he had a skin condition. | ||
| And this woman stabbed him and martyred him, basically. | ||
| That's a painting of him in the bathtub. | ||
| I mean, I like Keith a little bit, but this rhetoric that he's been spewing the last, like, He's he's five years since he went crazy since he got kicked out of his job, his old job with who was at MSNBC when he got fired. | ||
| Like then this was the dumbest terrorist attack in the history of terror attacks. | ||
| A terror attack with a net result of negative one dead poor girl dead and your whole intent and purposes being shot to shit all at the same time. | ||
| What kind of, what is that? | ||
| That's why I wonder about the police just letting them in. | ||
| I want to know more about that. | ||
| I'm going to talk to my guys and see what they have to say about that. | ||
| They definitely, there's videos of them smashing the windows. | ||
| Like the cops weren't letting them in the building. | ||
| Let me see if I can. | ||
| But they smashed the windows out. | ||
| They were climbing and scaling those walls. | ||
| They were going through awnings. | ||
| We need to get those rivets out of the walls, by the way, that you can climb up. | ||
| Yeah, I've always thought about that. | ||
| Big, flat, sheer walls with jut outs so you can't get over them. | ||
| Whoever was designing the Capitol, they were like, hmm, I think we need a ladder to get into the Capitol grounds here, so let's make this wall climbable. | ||
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| Are you crazy? | ||
| Let's make it look good. | ||
| It's got to have those pigeon things on it so people can't climb it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Those little spikes that come out. | ||
| Yo, Tim, Trump's banned from Facebook for 24 hours. | ||
| Yep, Twitter 12 hours, Facebook 24 hours. | ||
| They're gonna kick him off. | ||
| Trump's I think they're gonna go after my legally. I think I know I think New York's gonna try to arrest him | ||
| They're gonna try and shut down the organization The they did not want this man to win and I tell you and | ||
| what we've seen here You know what? I was saying earlier when I said nothing's | ||
| gonna happen I was like look we went through four years of the left | ||
| screaming Trump's illegitimate He didn't win and these scandals. | ||
| And I was like, what's, what's the likelihood that we get the same thing now with Republicans saying, Oh, Joe Biden and scandals in Ukraine. | ||
| And now we're seeing Trump supporters clashing with cops. | ||
| Like we saw with Antifa. | ||
| I think it was, I said it was going to be like an inversion. | ||
| This is not, this is something twisted and weird. | ||
| Ha, this puts the banning of Enrique into a new light, doesn't it? | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Well, because maybe he would have been on the ground telling people to chill the F out. | ||
| I don't think he was going down into D.C. | ||
| thinking that they were going to storm the Capitol. | ||
| Yeah, in fights, whenever you take down the leadership, the army usually is chaotic, doesn't know what's going on. | ||
| Shout out to John Gary for that comment on Twitter. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And then another thing I was thinking about today is I noticed after the speech, there were just gangs and I don't want to use. | ||
| OK, let me take that back. | ||
| There were large groups of angry people dressed in black and they had shirts, you know, F-Antifa. | ||
| Then there was other group and they were just marching around F-Antifa, F-Antifa. | ||
| And then another group, and I'm not disparaging these people are saying something wrong. | ||
| I'm just saying the energy was different today. | ||
| Then there was multiple groups carrying with, you know, like football sized flags, American flags, all holding a piece of it over their head, walking down the streets, chanting. | ||
| Wow, really? | ||
| Like Antifa does. | ||
| Do you see the- I heard reports that there were leftists and conservatives chanting, F the police. | ||
| I don't know if that's true though. | ||
| Well, I'm telling you man, my Twitter mentions yesterday went ACAP. | ||
| I couldn't believe it. | ||
| Yeah, from my own people. | ||
| I block a bunch of people. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I think Antifa is going to become a... I don't want to say it's going to... Bipartisan isn't the right word, but I wouldn't be surprised when Enrique Tarrio tweeted that Proud Boys are going to dress like Antifa. | ||
| What's to stop now conservatives from being like, okay, Yeah, I think Cerno tweeted this afternoon, this was the birth of the right-wing Antifa. | ||
| John Robb today tweeted out that this was the first mobilization for the right-wing tribal network. | ||
| He actually asked me yesterday, DMs, how's mobilization looking? | ||
| And I didn't, I couldn't tell him, but I saw it today, man. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| The ACAB is in effect now. | ||
| I'm feeling it all over the place. | ||
| The, the, the, you know, back the blue seems to be history phase shift in the network. | ||
| Practically overnight had to Joe Norman on that one. | ||
| And then this violence against the cops and storming in the federal buildings. | ||
| I mean, like the whole environment shifted today. | ||
| Did you see the video of... I'll tell you the craziest thing I've ever seen. | ||
| There's someone holding a thin blue line flag in front of... and right in front of them in this huge crowd is a cop being shoved and beaten by a bunch of Trump supporters. | ||
| Did you see that video? | ||
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| I don't know if he was being beaten per se, but he was being roughed up. | ||
| It's this, um... Dragged out of the building, apparently. | ||
| This story of becoming the demon that you despise. | ||
| Have you seen The Watchman, the movie? | ||
| There's a cartoon in it where this guy goes out to sea and these demons attack his boat and take him and then they're going to kill his wife back home. | ||
| So he has these visions and he just wants to kill this demon. | ||
| So he finally, you know, he's sailing back to save his wife and he's just obsessed with destroying this demon. | ||
| He gets back and it's nighttime and he's searching for his wife and he sees the demon and he kills it. | ||
| And then he realizes when the light comes on that the demon was his wife. | ||
| And he became so obsessed with destruction and destroying this evil thing that he became the evil thing. | ||
| What's the saying? | ||
| Be careful when fighting monsters, lest ye become one. | ||
| For when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back. | ||
| I mean, at the end of the summer, I stopped going out to film the riots, partially because my profile was getting so big that I was getting ID'd everywhere I went, but mostly because I felt it inside me that I wanted something bad to happen. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like, I'm leaving my kids at home. | ||
| I'm going out on the street. | ||
| I'm staying out until two in the morning. | ||
| They call it firefighters wishing for fire. | ||
| Yeah, I had an urge. | ||
| I had an urge to want to see it. | ||
| Of course I tweeted it out and thank God there's no violence or whatever. | ||
| There's this idea that you've got a firefighter whose job, what makes them feel good is saving people from a burning building, is putting the fire out, being the hero, doing their job, makes you feel good. | ||
| During 9-11, There's reports that they would have to take first responders and partially bury them so the dogs would feel sense of, like, joy for rescuing a person because they couldn't find people. | ||
| The dogs would eventually get depressed because they couldn't find anybody that they were doing something wrong. | ||
| So there's this idea where, you know, you're a firefighter, and you sit around all day doing nothing, and then one day you're sitting there going, like, come on, give me a fire, and you realize how crazy that is. | ||
| No, it's a good thing there's no fire, man. | ||
| Now, you stopped, I stopped, Tim, you stopped, but what about the average mainstream media lunky who can't stop and has to keep doing this? | ||
| What was that movie where they had that reporter that became obsessive and he started creating conflict just so he could get, you know, the video of it? | ||
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| Nightcrawler. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Such a good movie. | ||
| That is literally, in my opinion, that is literally happening right now, but on a big mainstream media level. | ||
| And they are foaming at the mouth, loving and seeding all of this. | ||
| And this is their kind of big holiday. | ||
| Have you seen the movie Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal? | ||
| No, but we have discussed this before, and I understand the character arc there. | ||
| And I'm telling you, I felt it. | ||
| So check this out. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Spoiler alert, but it's an older movie, so you should have seen it. | ||
| We got to talk about this, because in the movie, you basically have this dude who's clearly a sociopath. | ||
| And he's broke, and he's trying to find any job he can. | ||
| He's trying to sell, like, stolen metals or whatever. | ||
| He can't get a job, and he's trying to make money, until he stumbles upon nightcrawling, which is this... It's journalists who go out in the middle of the night, and they chase down car crashes and murders and crimes. | ||
| He ends up selling a tape for some good money. | ||
| He eventually starts making better and better money. | ||
| Eventually he realizes, and he actually sees a car crash, he moves one of the bodies to get a better shot. | ||
| It looks better this way. | ||
| It sells for even more. | ||
| At one point he withholds evidence, and now he's actively, finally, orchestrating events that are death and murder because it pays the best. | ||
| This is the craziness that we see. | ||
| I personally feel there are many people in media sitting there crossing their fingers, hoping this would happen. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| You see it even just in the subtly, sorry, on Twitter, I just see it in the little typing texts like, or you'll see like the people with their cameras just like recording the empty streets. | ||
| Waiting for something. | ||
| It's almost vitriolic right now. | ||
| There's a subreddit called Why Were They Filming? | ||
| And it makes you wonder about things like this. | ||
| Why were they filming? | ||
| What were they waiting for? | ||
| What did they want to happen? | ||
| I mean, it's the difference of, like, taking a picture of a dumpster from the side with all the lights and the flash on, the fire in the dumpster, and then, you know, getting into position, getting down on the ground, low to the ground, turning off the lights. | ||
| Having it look overexposed and having it look like this giant inferno. | ||
| That's the same concept at work. | ||
| There's a very, very, very famous moment. | ||
| It's a photo of, I believe it's a Haitian girl and she's lying on the ground dead. | ||
| And this photo, it's like from low and it's pointing up. | ||
| You see the sky, you see people walking past. | ||
| But there's an even more famous photo that emerged from this. | ||
| One of the photographers who was taking a picture of the girl got up and walked to the side and took a picture of a row of photographers around this corpse, this dead young girl, taking the pictures. | ||
| And that, in my opinion, is one of the most iconic photos of the past, you know, 50, 100 years or whatever. | ||
| The real image that you didn't see while these journalists were trying to get the artistic shot of this young dead woman, the real image was all of these vultures lining up around to get that shot to make money to sell it. | ||
| That's how scary it is. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| When you take these pictures, I'll tell you one of the most important things. | ||
| You want to know what the least... the biggest letdown of my life, in terms of my expectations. | ||
| You ever see the meme, Expectation vs. Reality? | ||
| It was witnessing a revolution, right in front of my eyes, in Egypt. | ||
| I thought revolution was going to be like, you see these movies, and the French Revolution, and the people are running through the streets, and they're capturing the nobles. | ||
| In Egypt, there was a few thousand people jumping up and down as like, music played. | ||
| And then they announced on the news, they have removed the president from power. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| And then they were like, so the revolution happened. | ||
| And I was like, that's it? | ||
| And they're like, that's it? | ||
| Revolution happened. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| What did you think? | ||
| What did you think it was going to be like? | ||
| When these journalists take these, film these things, and they inflate it, they make it look bigger and crazier and more dramatic, it makes people think things are worse than they really are. | ||
| The one thing I always tell people when it comes to Egypt, I was standing on my balcony, looking at Tahrir Square, Apache helicopters flying overhead, lasers everywhere, they announced the revolution was underway, and right down on the ground was a McDonald's and a guy was eating a burger watching a soccer match, like nothing was happening. | ||
| You hop on the back of a motorcycle, go down the street, go to the shopping mall, like nothing was happening. | ||
| But people have this view that's created by sensationalized news where they make history. | ||
| And so, absolutely, history is condensed. | ||
| And so one of the things I always, you know, took issue with, | ||
| when Portland was being hit by those riots for 100 plus days, you had two versions of it. | ||
| Well, I don't even, I don't want to say two versions, but the mainstream media was saying there's nothing going on in Portland and they'd walk around like everything's fine. | ||
| In New York, with the lockdowns and everything, you have these videos popping up of leftists walking in like the Upper West Side saying, look, everything's fine. | ||
| People are having ice cream. | ||
| And they ignore the actual strife and conflict that is happening. | ||
| Because in their view, they're like, everybody's exaggerating, Fox News is lying to you. | ||
| And it's like, look, just because Fox News, or any journals for that matter, is showing you something happening, doesn't mean you should assume it's happening literally everywhere. | ||
| But people do. | ||
| They do assume that it's crazier than it really is. | ||
| There's like a belief that a revolution is like a moment where like you seize the idol and now you have it and the revolution is over. | ||
| But like a revolution is a long process of change and it's a constant. | ||
| It's like a way of life. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| This is all in our heads. | ||
| The Constitution is words or ideas in our head. | ||
| The regime is an idea in our head. | ||
| It's an imagined order. | ||
| A revolution changes the imagined order in your head. Yes, it's got practical | ||
| realities, of course, but like, you're still going to be sitting there. We're still going | ||
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| important thing humans need to understand human beings. They said Mike Pence doesn't have | ||
| the power to reject the electors. | ||
| Sure. The Constitution says, you know, basically, here's how the count goes. | ||
| The Constitution also says shall not be infringed. | ||
| Constitution also says the right to peaceably assemble shall not be accomplished. | ||
| Congress shall make no law infringing, you know, or bridging the right to peaceably assemble, the right to worship. | ||
| But here we are. | ||
| Cuomo has done that, right? | ||
| And that's under a state of emergency. | ||
| So what people need to realize is Well, for one, there's the hypocrisy. | ||
| There's the double standard. | ||
| The rules apply to Pence. | ||
| He can't do anything. | ||
| But the rules don't apply to the Democratic governors. | ||
| More importantly, I think that should show you, if you believe in the Constitution, it only goes as far as other people agree with you. | ||
| That's confidence in the system. | ||
| In order for any political movement to have traction, there must be confidence behind it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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| But I think it's I think confidence is breaking down right now. | ||
| And that's why we saw what we did today. | ||
| Yeah, along with the lines of like reporters seeking out violence and chaos so that they can sell their things. | ||
| It makes me think like the girl that got shot today was ex-military. | ||
| And so she's maybe trained to find and destroy violence and looking for it. | ||
| And so she's going to this looking for a heated It's not fair to think about her intentions right now. | ||
| We don't know her intentions. | ||
| We don't know what was going on. | ||
| We still don't know the information. | ||
| anymore when they're not deployed anymore there's still this mentality of | ||
| I got to find the enemy I got to destroy the I wonder how fair to think about her | ||
| intentions right now we don't know but I wonder how many don't know what was | ||
| going on I don't know the information I wonder how many of those people were ex | ||
| military that were there today looking for an enemy well more importantly how | ||
| many people were LARPing yep that's like more that's more important ex-military | ||
| The ex-military I've talked to and the ones that have actually seen combat tell you that it's nothing you want to see, it's nothing you want to be participating in, you want to avoid it at all costs. | ||
| I gotta tell you, having seen people get shot in front of me, I'm surprised there are people who would be willing to run towards that. | ||
| Like, look, as a journalist on the ground and you're covering conflict and crisis, there's a certain degree to which you're like, I have to film this, people have to see it. | ||
| But there's a big difference between what I would do, say, on the ground during conflicts, riots, or even civil unrest in other countries, versus actively participating in the conflict and running towards the violence to engage in it. | ||
| And I don't mean in a bad way. | ||
| I mean like, you're a soldier, you're a cop, you see people fighting and shooting and you think to yourself, I'm going to engage in that conflict. | ||
| Journalists don't do that. | ||
| I didn't do that. | ||
| When I'd be on the ground in these countries, I would see it and I'd be like, I'm gonna hide behind this pillar and point my camera at it and run away if it gets too intense and I'm in danger. | ||
| One of the things that I've been saying for a very long time whenever you have to resort to violence that should always be your last resort because everyone loses when that happens and people need to realize that. | ||
| Another thing that I kind of wanted to bring up here is again just on this topic of mainstream media journalists kind of wanting this conflict there's a tweet here that I'm seeing right now by Sally Cohan that was tweeted June 30th And she said, quote, I don't like violent protests, but I understand them. | ||
| And those wagging their finger against violent protests need to read up on their American history. | ||
| Today, she's saying that what happened was an absolute outcry. | ||
| She's detesting it. | ||
| And now she's saying that she hopes Republicans never win another national or statewide election for a generation. | ||
| And she, of course, is detesting this to the fullest extent of how disgusting and bad it is. | ||
| So again, this is the system. | ||
| This is the establishment. | ||
| This is the mainstream media voices that are promoted on YouTube. | ||
| These are the voices that are allowed. | ||
| These are the authoritarian voices that are saying, yes, violent protests are good, and now we're here today. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Let's have a real serious discussion about the steps that led us here and how we could walk away from this in a rational way rather than, of course, continuing this left-right hyperbolic nonsense, which is, again, going to expand from here. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| None of this strikes me as new. | ||
| Americans are hot-headed. | ||
| We fight. | ||
| We have wars. | ||
| We fight each other. | ||
| We're tribal. | ||
| Politics have been rough and tumble forever. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| It doesn't strike me as being ahistoric. | ||
| It doesn't strike me as being out of the norm for American politics. | ||
| Because we've been at war for 20 years and it's been normalized. | ||
| This girl didn't even go into the military until 2006. | ||
| She's been in the Navy. | ||
| What was the Navy? | ||
| Air Force. | ||
| For 14 years since 2006. | ||
| Five years after the forever war just began. | ||
| And now these people are brainwashed to think that conflict is normal. | ||
| And now we've seen all this domestic upheaval as a result of these people with psychosis, essentially. | ||
| So you trace it to the military involvement, because I would trace it directly to social media and schools, which Tim kind of discounts. | ||
| I think the schools are hugely important. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I think the social media is piggybacking on it to exacerbate it. | ||
| But the school system that Rockefeller built in the 20s and 30s was basically to turn people into corporate drones and follow orders and join the military. | ||
| So that I think is definitely indoctrinated. | ||
| It'd be good factory workers. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Raise your hand. | ||
| Wait till the bell rings. | ||
| Don't do anything unless you're given permission. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| America was settled by conquerors. | ||
| We conquered the land. | ||
| We conquered the people. | ||
| We've been to wars. | ||
| We fought. | ||
| We're so antagonistic. | ||
| We fought a freaking civil war. | ||
| We fought ourselves. | ||
| We fought ourselves. | ||
| We're so antagonistic. | ||
| It's like built right into the system, I think. | ||
| And I think that it's, frankly, I'm getting a little tired of just, OK, yeah, the left's hypocritical. | ||
| Yeah, OK, the left wants to. | ||
| I mean, we know like we know and everybody knows. | ||
| And I don't want to spend the next four years talking about like and no offense, dude, but like, you know, comparing people's tweets. | ||
| Yeah, they're all hypocritical. | ||
| We all are, too. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We all are, too. | ||
| So I guess the question that I've been getting a lot and the question that people were DMing me on my way up here, it's like, But we're not the institutional power. | ||
| We're not the authoritative sources. | ||
| We're not the sources that are out there to millions and millions and millions of people. | ||
| We're independent media telling people we're wrong sometimes. | ||
| We admit our faults. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| And they have a huge voice that galvanizes and supports and beats the drum for conflict. | ||
| That's a big difference. | ||
| So yes, we are hypocrites on some levels. | ||
| Everyone is. | ||
| No one's a perfect, principled person. | ||
| But they're something else. | ||
| Not just hypocrites in my opinion. | ||
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| I sat here with you. | ||
| And I said, the Proud Boys starting to look like Antifa, remember? | ||
| And I heavily criticized for the same exact reasons. | ||
| Destruction of private property, going around beating people, attacking people who are retreating, all that stuff. | ||
| When we do a show, and the people I respect, we criticize the violent behavior. | ||
| Because I tell this story all the time. | ||
| One of my favorite stories is when I shook the hands of a guy wearing a sickle and hammer mask, a commie, giving out communist literature, because he told me violence is wrong. | ||
| And I was like, my man. | ||
| I shook his hand and I said, that's awesome. | ||
| You want to have a conversation about Marxism and communism and all that stuff? | ||
| We could sit down and debate ideas? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| That's so cool. | ||
| The moment you go around and say, I'm right, therefore you're morally justified, is when you are wrong and you are bad and that's a problem. | ||
| So here's the problem, though. | ||
| And I agree with that. | ||
| In the back of my head, I can hear all the people going, yeah, that's how we got in this mess. | ||
| That's how we got in this mess. | ||
| So what do you do by taking the high ground, as it were, and not condoning violence? | ||
| Which I don't. | ||
| I disavow all the political violence. | ||
| In fact, even if you want political violence, you should disavow all political violence all the way up until the time you commit it. | ||
| Not that I'm advocating for it, because I'm not disavowing all the violence. | ||
| It just doesn't work. | ||
| But what do you do when you realize that you're in an engagement where the other side believes in political violence? | ||
| I'll ask you a question. | ||
| What do you do then? | ||
| That's what people are asking me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I can answer. | ||
| OK, answer. | ||
| So let's let's let's do a stereotypical ancient or feudal Japan. | ||
| When the war was breaking out between, you know, rival factions, did the, you know, did one side send in the warriors to march right into the feudal lord's house and then declare that they were gonna duel him and finally end this conflict once and for all? | ||
| Or did Ninja dress up in civilian clothes, pre-plan, and subvert the strategy of their | ||
| opponent, going in and removing the feudal lord in the dead of night, and then running | ||
| across the water with wood placed in specific positions so that it looked like they were | ||
| walking on water, freaking out the enemies, and then dropping, I think it's called makabishi, | ||
| caltrops essentially, with poison in them. | ||
| They planned ahead, they considered what they were up against, and they made a surgical | ||
| move. | ||
| We are in an era where we have, I think there's a good thing here, that we are moving past | ||
| the era of violence. | ||
| It's actually kind of cool if you think about it, right? | ||
| That our engagements are now based upon ideas and propaganda and confidence. | ||
| And that means it really does come down to being smart, being strategic, You know, your strategy in terms of how you apply your resources, how you accrue resources, how you distribute them, and how you convince people to contribute to your ideology. | ||
| That's how you win an ideological war. | ||
| I think you're 100% right. | ||
| And I think that a new life skill that people have to develop is personal sovereignty. | ||
| And by that, I mean being aware of your ideas, electing to choose the ideas that you do believe in and repelling ideas that seek to capture your mind. | ||
| And that starts with being like physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually strong. | ||
| You know what we're going to be doing? | ||
| We're going to be getting a big old farmland. | ||
| We're going to be making videos where we build stuff, where we encourage people to have fun. | ||
| We're going to skateboard. | ||
| We're going to drive ATVs. | ||
| And the goal of this is there's two really big things. | ||
| in liminal order. | ||
| Personal sovereignty is one of the number one things that we focus on. | ||
| You know, in liminal order. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| You know what we're going to be doing? | ||
| We're going to be getting a big old farmland. | ||
| We're going to be making videos where we build stuff, where we have people to have fun. | ||
| We're going to skateboard. | ||
| We're going to drive ATVs. | ||
| And the goal of this is there's two really big things I keep saying. | ||
| You want to you want to look, we talk so much about negative stuff all the time on this show. | ||
| As me personally, I do a four hours or three hours every day and it's always something negative. | ||
| So I'm like, I got to have a balance, you know, yin yang, man. | ||
| And there's got to be some good coming out of this. | ||
| So I want to we want to create we have the space We want to create stuff We want to encourage people to build and better themselves and exercise and eat right and eat healthy and all that good stuff Amen, brother And so I think one of the most important things we can do is self-sufficiency. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Fulfilling our goals. | ||
| And I think one of the things that... A woman. | ||
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| Amen. | ||
| A woman and eight children too. | ||
| So we're looking at getting this land and then we're going to have fun and be positive and productive. | ||
| Totally, Tim. | ||
| We're on such the same vibe, dude. | ||
| I've been looking at land for a while, as you know. | ||
| I think that was one of the first things we talked about the very first time I came on the show back in Philly last year. | ||
| Homesteading? | ||
| Yeah, homesteading. | ||
| 90 acres for your 50,000-walled feudal village. | ||
| That's a little bit more than I can handle. | ||
| I know, but people are asking me, what can you do? | ||
| And the thing that you can do is what we're doing in the liminal order. | ||
| We decided a few years ago that the way we were going to fight back against this Is by by doubling down on ourselves and our families and our communities and building something positive, engaging your masculine sense of creation and protection and instruction. | ||
| And so we're building a community where people help each other and we're getting fitter and we're getting wealthier and we're getting happier and we're stronger and we're more secure. | ||
| And we have a network off of the social media networks. | ||
| We have private network that can't be disrupted. | ||
| And we all are talking about self-sufficiency. | ||
| We're all looking at homesteading. | ||
| We're all looking at trying to, I like to say, resettle the American frontier. | ||
| There's a lot of land. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| there so much and there's a lot of opportunity and there's a lot of places | ||
| that will welcome you warmly Wyoming calls dude there's so many places that | ||
| call all of them have a red car to their to their state on the map for sure think | ||
| about this the the the pilgrims the pioneers who came from Europe to the new | ||
| world and what would what what the first people who came what could you expect | ||
| Our boat is going to land, and there's going to be trees and shoreline. | ||
| And then once we land, have at it. | ||
| What were they expecting to find? | ||
| No, they realized, like, how many people died? | ||
| Not even making it across the oceans, like a three-month journey. | ||
| Where is that spirit today of people being like, I'm gonna move to Nebraska in the middle of nowhere to a small town that needs help and start building something and bringing life back to these areas? | ||
| Or, starting my own place, my own home, and living like the brave people who found new places. | ||
| So the future for that, and Balaji talks about this, and we talk about this in Luminal Order as well, you got to build a community based on values. | ||
| You start a virtual community based on values, and then you build the community and the norms, and then you have the relationships and the resources, and then you can find land, and then you can start to homestead places. | ||
| You know, there is a positive with all the lockdowns. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And I don't want to pretend like everything's always bad and everything's absolute. | ||
| A lot of people are now realizing they have to be self-sustainable. | ||
| They can't rely on the government who can't get them a stimulus, who actually shut down their businesses. | ||
| But let me tell you, if you lived out in the middle of nowhere and you were self-sufficient, you were less impacted by the lockdowns. | ||
| Most people still were to certain degrees. | ||
| But the further you move away from the cities, The less you actually see in terms of that damage from the population density. | ||
| So I think one of the positives we may be getting out of this, and I think the other point I was going to make about what we want to do, is encourage people to be energy efficient and self-sustainable. | ||
| So what that means is you really want to get out into the middle of nowhere and save money, especially in a crisis. | ||
| You've got to get better forms of energy, better energy production, self-sufficient. | ||
| I mean, dude, water wheels. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You just stream, turn a turbine, make your own electricity or something like that. | ||
| Ride a bike. | ||
| There's a lot of things we can do. | ||
| I think for a long time humans have been kind of just accepting of, you know, it's easy come, easy go. | ||
| And now a lot of people are realizing Well, for one, you can't really rely on the government. | ||
| Stimulus checks is the perfect example. | ||
| We couldn't get that done. | ||
| And then the Democrats end up winning Georgia. | ||
| So maybe you need to sit back and take care of yourself. | ||
| Obviously, I think most conservatives understand that. | ||
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| It's the left that is now starting to learn that lesson a little bit. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Or they're like, woohoo, all the reds are leaving the cities. | ||
| They're running away to fly over land. | ||
| You know, I wonder if they'll learn their lesson because they're staying in California. | ||
| They're staying in New York where they're just like getting no support, getting locked down. | ||
| I mean, that's not entirely true. | ||
| California had net out migration, I think, for the first time ever. | ||
| Those are probably conservatives. | ||
| It is. | ||
| They're losing a Congress House seat, I think, with the next census here. | ||
| So, you know, people are going to be voting with their feet. | ||
| But look, I've done the research. | ||
| Globalism's impact on the United States in the theory of global trade is that labor mobility is free and that people will move to where the best opportunities are. | ||
| We just haven't seen that. | ||
| It's just not true. | ||
| It's just not true. | ||
| Labor mobility is not a real thing. | ||
| People stay even when the factory closes. | ||
| People stay even when the drugs are killing everybody. | ||
| They still stay. | ||
| Europe is a good example. | ||
| I think I told the story, we talked about this last time, where I was in Greece and I was in an Uber and the guy was telling me about how the economy was totally destroyed. | ||
| And I was like, but can't you as a member of the EU just go to the UK or Germany where the economy is better? | ||
| And he said, but I'm Greek. | ||
| I want to stay in Greece. | ||
| So the economy is destroyed. | ||
| There's no money. | ||
| There's no jobs, but you don't want to leave. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| They don't want to do it. | ||
| But I wonder, like, you know, what was it that made the the European colonizers decide to get on a boat, risk their lives and go to a big, empty... They got shunned. | ||
| They were kicked out. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| They were hated. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Our Trump supporters are going to be like, let's go make, you know, Freedomville in Wyoming. | ||
| Mars. | ||
| Greenland. | ||
| All the Trump supporters should now migrate to Greenland. | ||
| I tell you, they will be doing that on Mars. | ||
| I've been watching Vikings and I'm telling you, that looks like a horrible place to settle. | ||
| I wonder at what point did they stop saying I'm Texan and start saying I'm American? | ||
| Do they now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Usually, yeah, like I'm in Ohio in first. | ||
| Well, I think Texas is a particular case because we're a nation. | ||
| Yeah, they were. | ||
| I'm a I'm a Nevada in first. | ||
| I'm a I'm a Virginian. | ||
| I think there's only a few states, a few states that are like that. | ||
| Virginia is one of them. | ||
| People think that they're a Virginian before. | ||
| At what point will we stop being like, I'm an American first and an earthen, you know, a Terran next or when we're going to start thinking of ourselves as like, this is my planet or when we go to Mars and we're like, I'm a Martian, I'm a Terran. | ||
| I don't think we're gonna colonize Mars. | ||
| I don't think we're gonna do it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think we'll go there. | ||
| I think colonize in the sense that we'll probably have some production. | ||
| I don't think we're gonna colonize Mars. I don't think we're gonna do it. | ||
| I think we'll go there. I think colonize in the sense that we'll probably have some production. | ||
| But I don't think humans will live there. | ||
| Have you seen the weather there? | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| I'm going to the beach. | ||
| I'm not going to Mars. | ||
| And by the way, it would take $10 million to pay me to go into space. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If someone said, Hey man, you want to go on the next rocket to the space shuttle or space station? | ||
| No, no. | ||
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| That's what it would take to get me into space. | ||
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It sucks. | |
| You think people will, uh, will start to think of themselves as a Terran, but that we need some external threat. | ||
| You don't think that we'll just do that because we want to be all one world. | ||
| This is our home. | ||
| You can go anywhere. | ||
| I mean, maybe it comes down to language. | ||
| If you can speak the language of a different country, if aliens come, we'll be like, human. | ||
| I think, didn't we talk about the fact that we think that we, it's fun to say that the aliens would unite us. | ||
| But they probably wouldn't. | ||
| But they probably wouldn't. | ||
| Definitely not, no. | ||
| Trump supporters would be like, do the aliens support freedom? | ||
| And the left would be like, do the aliens support communal social welfare programs? | ||
| And then we'd pick one. | ||
| And then the aliens are going to be like, do you support Florgnak? | ||
| And we're going to be like, we don't know what that is. | ||
| Then you must be ended. | ||
| And then the aliens go to war with us. | ||
| And then we unite. | ||
| The reason I bring it up is because I don't like nationalism. | ||
| I don't like tribalism in general. | ||
| I'm kind of over it. | ||
| I want a global community. | ||
| It got you here, bro. | ||
| It got you here. | ||
| Your tribe got you here, bro. | ||
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It did, it did. | |
| But that doesn't mean we have to keep doing it. | ||
| So, good luck convincing Antifa that you shouldn't be forced to live the way they want you to live. | ||
| Like, what do you do if someone walks up to you and says, you are now going to adhere to all of our rules or else? | ||
| Do you say, okay! | ||
| This is why we're in a bad spot. | ||
| We're forced to play a game that we don't want to play. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we're playing rules that we by the rules that we don't want to play by, which is the other side thinks that political violence is OK. | ||
| They're willing to trash people and the media allows it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they believe that they're morally justified and that we're morally inferior and that we believe to be executed for treason. | ||
| So at some point we have to just accept that we're playing a game we don't want to play with rules that we don't like. | ||
| And we know there's no option. | ||
| Here's the issue. | ||
| I think us, for a show like this, and the people who watch, we're all relatively in the middle, in terms of just kinda like chillin' and having conversations. | ||
| But then you have the far left and the far right, and to whatever extent they're far left and far right, just further left and further right. | ||
| When the left looks over to the right, they see us all having a conversation. | ||
| And behind us, they see the right. | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| I'll give you the real story. | ||
| When I was in Boston during this big protest, a bunch of Trump supporters, behind them was a guy waving a Confederate flag. | ||
| When I talked to the Democratic Socialist guys, they said, look at them, they're waving a Confederate flag. | ||
| And I said, well, that's one guy in the back. | ||
| The people in front aren't. | ||
| And he was like, but it's just one big group. | ||
| And I was like, Really? | ||
| Is it? | ||
| The same was true for this group. | ||
| There was a bunch of lefty protesters, and then there was a row of Antifa with crowbars and bats wearing all black. | ||
| You go and talk to the Trump supporters, they go, look at them! | ||
| They're supporting these extremists with crowbars and bats. | ||
| And I was like, What happens is, the people on the left, when they look to their right, they don't understand the depth of difference between the center and the far right. | ||
| They just see, to them, it's one group all standing around on the right. | ||
| Yeah, that's the phenomenon of depth perception. | ||
| And you can't see depth perception with one eye. | ||
| You need two eyes. | ||
| And if you're one of the eyes, then you need an external feedback source to understand the other. | ||
| And it can't be the other. | ||
| That's why understanding other perspectives... You have to triangulate it. | ||
| So here's my point. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| We had Lynn Wood saying Mike Pence committed treason and Roberts and all that stuff. | ||
| You do have elements of the Trump right who say things like treason and sedition, calling cops treasonous and traitors. | ||
| And it's really funny when I'm seeing the Trump supporters say you're a traitor to the cop and I'm like, yeah, the left says the same thing. | ||
| You know, I'm not saying their ideals are the same, or their principles are the same, or their actions are the same, but there's similarities in the words they use. | ||
| Whose streets? | ||
| Our streets, and things like that. | ||
| What ends up happening is, it's like I described, you know, regular people in the middle, the left will look at us and call us all far right. | ||
| You're all the same. | ||
| It's like, well, we don't want any of the violence. | ||
| We just want to chill, hang out, and you know, work, and feed our families, and kind of have a good time, but peace, love, kindness, and all that stuff. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| We kill animals for a living. | ||
| To survive, to eat their meat. | ||
| Well, yeah, because that's race, life. | ||
| This animal destruction. | ||
| Have you seen nature? | ||
| Yes, they all eat each other. | ||
| Chaotic. | ||
| And so, listen, listen. | ||
| The fundamental argument that I take issue with, like, oh, but we kill animals. | ||
| Well, of course we do. | ||
| Animals kill each other for food all the time. | ||
| And humans are animals. | ||
| Not that we eat each other. | ||
| Well, we're probably... I don't see anybody complaining, that lion just ate that gazelle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's super violent, but we don't have any issue with it because they're not human, for some reason. | ||
| And we don't have issue of humans eating cows. | ||
| Right, because we have to enforce the fact that we're at the top of the food chain. | ||
| But if humans eat humans, we go crazy. | ||
| Or if humans eat dogs, I guess that's a big deal. | ||
| Yes, because of encephalopathy. | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| Or what if they eat dogs? | ||
| Or encephalitis? | ||
| I mean, why do people hate that humans eat dogs in the U.S. | ||
| but not in China? | ||
| Yeah, they're domesticated. | ||
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| Because they mimic little children and they love you. | ||
| I love you, it's so weird. | ||
| I don't know, is it how violence is okay sometimes if the military authorizes it? | ||
| It's totally fine. | ||
| If it's not authorized though, then it's wrong. | ||
| No, no, no, you misunderstand. | ||
| I think most of us here are opposing war and conflict and don't want that to happen. | ||
| The issue is there are other people that love it. | ||
| Neocons and neolibs are like, more war, don't let Trump pull the troops out. | ||
| We gotta be in Syria. | ||
| I think that's a bad thing. | ||
| I think it's stupid. | ||
| That's why I'm like, you know what, man? | ||
| Here's the challenge. | ||
| Let's get away from the current events and talk about the general bigger picture. | ||
| How do you do what's right to save the world or whatever and when are you morally justified in doing so? | ||
| If the Democrats and the Republicans together vote for war, And then send American soldiers overseas and their civilians are dying, whether through, you know, malicious intent or negligence from American soldiers and our allies. | ||
| Oil is being taken. | ||
| Poppy fields are being guarded. | ||
| All this really awful stuff. | ||
| And no one in America seems to be able to do anything about it. | ||
| Do we just say, well, I'm going to go, you know, get a farm and just ignore everything? | ||
| How do you fight to stop really, really bad things from happening? | ||
| There's a serious moral challenge. | ||
| We could just say, all this bad stuff's happening. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I'm not going to be involved. | ||
| You know, I want to mind my own business. | ||
| But what do you do? | ||
| All it takes for... What was that saying? | ||
| All it takes for evil to succeed is for a good man to do nothing? | ||
| Are you asking, like, if we observe an evil occurring in the world, why don't we go and take care of it? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| I'm just saying, like, it's really difficult to have... I guess I'll put it this way. | ||
| This is a system built by billions of people that all kind of agree, inadvertently or otherwise, and it's hard to stop the system from doing what it does. | ||
| And so it's easy to just be like, walk away from it, and then fighting to change it seems to be futile for a lot of people. | ||
| And I mean like, you know, politics and voting and protests. | ||
| All the protests we had against war, like, what did that accomplish? | ||
| Not a whole lot, we're still there. | ||
| It's tough to say. | ||
| Maybe we'd be at more if we didn't protest it. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| We'd be at more if people didn't vote for Trump. | ||
| The top of the food chain argument. | ||
| We all kind of agree with that as a human. | ||
| You know, how do we? | ||
| That's a dangerous... It's whatever our self-interest is. | ||
| That's what happens. | ||
| That's why we get interested in the Middle East. | ||
| Oh, we're energy dependent. | ||
| Oh, and we want to protect democracy in Israel. | ||
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| We have people right now that are telling us the world's on fire. | ||
| Resources are being depleted. | ||
| So we have to great reset. | ||
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| And COVID is the perfect opportunity to do it. | ||
| The only problem is China isn't. | ||
| They're doing all of the same stuff. | ||
| So, what ends up happening? | ||
| We agree to chill out and calm down, not spend stuff, and go live sustainably, and then in a hundred years, everyone's pumping oil and gas like crazy because China has taken influence over, you know, taken the influence on the planet, the most influence, and now everyone's just kind of living the way they want them to live. | ||
| And they're going to keep producing greenhouse gases and carbon emissions and all that stuff people in America and Europe claim is bad. | ||
| That's why it's just like, it feels like we're on a collision course. | ||
| And that's why I often say, you know, not to be pessimistic, but I remember it was only a few weeks ago when something happened with like some political violence and I said, look, I can tell you that maybe it all ends here. | ||
| Maybe this is the time it finally stops because everyone says it's gone too far. | ||
| Or maybe it escalates because people want retribution and revenge. | ||
| Is violence the natural order of being human? | ||
| Are we... Should we just accept it? | ||
| But then that's like, you can't just accept it. | ||
| I said earlier, I think we're revolving past it. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| The Enlightenment has brought us out of barbarism. | ||
| What has incited so many... How did Trump get elected? | ||
| Partly because of far-left riots and protesting not being taken seriously and people getting mad about it. | ||
| It was a big culture war issue with, you know, hands up, don't shoot and things like that. | ||
| Now we have, like, you know, Luke mentioned, Sally Cone or whatever saying, you know, that, oh, she doesn't like him, but you got to understand him. | ||
| And you have Jake, uh, Cuomo saying, who said protests had to be, you know, peaceful or whatever? | ||
| It's right there in the First Amendment. | ||
| Just look it up, Cuomo. | ||
| You have that, and it creates an opposition where they're like, how dare you say these things are okay? | ||
| And people get mad about it. | ||
| So I think, I think violence is becoming less and less effective. | ||
| That's a great thing because we want to get rid of it. | ||
| It's different kind of violence. | ||
| It's a violence in your brain. | ||
| It's a violence in your heart. | ||
| I'm trying to make is for now. | ||
| I don't think it's a natural order of things. | ||
| I think it is phasing out, but just because it's phasing out doesn't | ||
| mean we won't see an escalation. | ||
| It's different kind of violence. | ||
| It's a violence in your brain. | ||
| It's a violence in your heart. | ||
| It's a violence for control of your thoughts, of your emotions. | ||
| It's more invasive in some ways. | ||
| It's like this, I'm sorry. | ||
| It's like that star Trek, the old one where like, they didn't have war anymore. | ||
| They just like, everybody like went to their chamber to receive their, | ||
| like, you know, dose of misery or whatever. | ||
| What I'm saying is you go back several hundred years and you see these | ||
| memes where people are like, the founding fathers would have been, you | ||
| know, storming the gates by now or something like that, and it's like, | ||
| yeah, back then we don't do that now. | ||
| However, you can still see a ton of violence, just because violence is receding overall doesn't mean it's not gonna increase in the short term. | ||
| What I'm saying is, after today, Does anyone think things are going to get calmer and this is finally the moment where everyone says, wow, we should stop and everyone should chill out and hug and unify? | ||
| No. | ||
| Not with the rhetoric on the mainstream media. | ||
| No. | ||
| Cori Bush is saying that Republicans committed treason for supporting the president. | ||
| I don't think we're bystanders to whatever happens. | ||
| I think we're creating it and we're altering our path right now, especially when you have this internet video where we can reach, I don't know, a hundred thousand people at once, a million people at once in a second. | ||
| We can all think the same thing for a second. | ||
| So maybe we could make a peaceful future. | ||
| Maybe we can convince 100,000 people to make graphene. | ||
| I want to make a giant campus where we can have every American tax funded together and then everyone can go there for a couple weeks in their lifetime to learn how to use lasers to create graphene. | ||
| And then all the graphene that we produce with our taxpayer money will be free for the people to recoup. | ||
| So when we start selling cars with graphene bodies, we'll discount the cost of the body off of the car for the people. | ||
| Well, we're going to get this big old farmland and we're going to build a bunch of fun stuff. | ||
| And we're going to have lasers and airplanes and jet packs. | ||
| I'm on my way. | ||
| I'm on my way as well. | ||
| I'm taking a timber framing course this summer. | ||
| I want to learn how to do timber framing because I want to be able to go Let's do it. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| chop down the tree, mill it on site, build the structure. | ||
| That's my goal. | ||
| With the tree from the site, chopped, felled, and milled, and built on site. | ||
| That's my plan. | ||
| That's my 2021 goal to become basic at that. | ||
| Did you see Chris Martinson on the show last week, Peak Prosperity? | ||
| I did not. | ||
| I did not. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta have you guys on together someday. | ||
| He has his own farm. | ||
| Yeah, he's like 90 acres. | ||
| Oh, let's do it, let's do it. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Hey Tim, can I bring my chainsaw up here and practice chopping down trees on your property? | ||
| Can I bring my chainsaw up here and practice chopping down trees on your property? | ||
| It's conservation. | ||
| Sadly. | ||
| But once we're in West Virginia and we have to have the trees taken down, we're gonna need some help. | ||
| It's really expensive. | ||
| I was looking at, like, maybe could I go to Rock Creek Park and practice? | ||
| You really cannot. | ||
| It's like a felony. | ||
| Go to a national forest? | ||
| Go to a national forest, start chopping down trees? | ||
| I think that's proud on. | ||
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| Yeah, that property you're looking at has so many trees on it that we'd have to pay people to take them. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Take it, so let's do it. | ||
| We should coordinate, Tim. | ||
| I'm probably looking in the same area as you are. | ||
| Middle of nowhere. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Build in Appalachia Stan domes and you know dome housing super cheap self-sustainable teach people how to just you know If someone can get this dude Kanye he builds come help us Kanye. | ||
| Do you do you know about earth houses, dude? | ||
| Yeah, that's where you build them kind of earth ship. | ||
| Maybe oh Yes. | ||
| Where you build it underground, kind of in the side of a... That's your jam right there, bro. | ||
| And then use recovered glass bottles and stick it in the wall to make like... But you can finish it up looking beautiful. | ||
| Like beautiful. | ||
| I've seen finished products. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Because they're kind of like don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've studied those and reported on them back in the day. | ||
| Oh, sweet. | ||
| I've seen like first rate high end finishes. | ||
| Can't see any of the tires, any of the bottles, anything. | ||
| Everything looks beautiful and like beautiful. | ||
| You fill up tires with dirt and then they end up making like brick. | ||
| The guy said the tires are the most abundant resource. | ||
| Tires? | ||
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| Wow. | ||
| You know, normally we would do Super Chats, but we don't have any. | ||
| Let's check Twitter. | ||
| If you want to send me $500 Super Chat to my Twitter mention, please go right ahead. | ||
| Apple Pay. | ||
| Have you been checking Twitter, Luke? | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| I've been checking all the news that's breaking right now on my house floor. | ||
| Everything's happening. | ||
| I mean, it's just absolutely crazy. | ||
| A pig ran in and stole someone's sandwich. | ||
| Right now, I'm watching a meme of Spock playing four different chess matches, and it says the United States attempting a right-wing coup d'etat in Latin America. | ||
| And then next to it is a baby playing checkers saying the United States attempting a right-wing coup on itself. | ||
| So that's the meme that I'm currently on right now, which I think should spark some interesting conversations. | ||
| Is it a right-wing coup or is it something that will bolster the security apparatus and mass surveillance? | ||
| Potato, potato. | ||
| I think we see what's going to be happening. | ||
| If you want to look, you know, a lot of people always say Kibona, who benefits? | ||
| I think that's something that we have to keep an eye on in the long term of things. | ||
| We do have some breaking news, though. | ||
| The First Lady's Chief of Staff and former White House Press Secretary resigns over the violent protests. | ||
| It's from CNN. | ||
| Stephanie Grisham, former White House Communications Director and Press Secretary and Chief of Staff for the First Lady Melania Trump, submitted her resignation Wednesday afternoon, effective immediately in the wake of the violent protests at the White House. | ||
| They say, quote, has been an honor to serve the country in the White House. | ||
| I'm very proud to have been here. | ||
| The first ladies did not respond. | ||
| And then they go on and talk about just what happened. | ||
| So we're getting some resignations now. | ||
| I got a I got a question by son of a B at. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| He says, What do you think the American populist movement should do from here? | ||
| That's what he asked me to through my Twitter account. | ||
| Luke, we are changed specifically for questions for us right now. | ||
| What do you guys think? | ||
| I mean, we have to develop the bench. | ||
| That's something. | ||
| We need new, young leaders across the board. | ||
| There needs to be somebody coming up from behind. | ||
| I did see Eric and Donald Jr. | ||
| and Kimberly and everybody giving speeches today. | ||
| I don't know that that's the right long term strategy. | ||
| I think today was just decimated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So where is the bench? | ||
| Where's the depth? | ||
| Are there any other young leaders? | ||
| Who's the future? | ||
| That's a question. | ||
| I'd like to rally around an idea rather than a person, personally. | ||
| I think that we could build an Internet Bill of Rights, which is kind of what we're doing at Mines, with the terms of service. | ||
| Because everything's getting so digital, you know, we're interacting so much online that like a rights-based future Internet future could be something that or it's it's this is the boring stuff that will only get like mediocre true retweets But it's a death die death. | ||
| Yeah, mine's bill of rights. | ||
| Yes Mine is just radical self-independence. | ||
| Yes, we got agreed. | ||
| We got another comment by my shower who says bring back your puppy Of course Captain Ron says, this is a spicy one, my veteran brothers and sisters are not looking for a war or a fight. | ||
| We are looking to protect our homeland. | ||
| Tell Ian to not talk about our mindset when he was never even served or understands. | ||
| You know, I've studied, I, I, I got your back on this one, man. | ||
| I've never served in the military. | ||
| I've studied and I've listened to a lot of like returning Vietnam veterans talk about their time in the jungle and a lot of people facing combat. | ||
| I've listened to a lot of their stories. | ||
| Um, And I know that there is, like we were talking about the nightcrawler thing, like, there's a phenomena in reality where you become trained to live what you do. | ||
| And so I know that no one wants to create destruction in the United States, but there is no boogeyman. | ||
| So we sometimes we just got to accept that. | ||
| Yep, at bad habit podcast says will Trump reveal anything classified to the public in two weeks? | ||
| No, he won't be there. | ||
| Yeah, because they're talking about invoking the 25th now. | ||
| But more importantly, Trump has been didn't order several people to release it. | ||
| They just don't do it. | ||
| That's what that's what happened before. | ||
| I mean, the entire administration, not entire, largely been impotent in many ways, fumbling around, not make it, and stymied, stymied and thwarted from the inside. | ||
| I talked to a couple of Trump staffers. | ||
| I had Amanda Millis on the show, and I asked her specifically, how many true, like, MAGA folks are in the White House or nearby? | ||
| And she's like, a handful. | ||
| In the whole freaking administration. | ||
| And my other guys in the White House tell me the same thing. | ||
| It's just, there's a handful, just a small group of people fighting the whole time against McMaster's and fighting the whole time against Bolton, a deep state and everybody that he's never had the, he's never had because he didn't build it. | ||
| Let's just put it squarely. | ||
| We just saw the military who are like, we're, we're just not going to tell you that we're not actually pulling people out of the Middle East. | ||
| We're just not going to tell you, even though you're the commander in chief, that's fine. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| Another question by at aspiring rebel predictions for the next 14 days Anyone want to take this one? | ||
| I don't think the 25th Amendment thing happens. | ||
| I don't think impeachment happens. | ||
| I think that everything calms down, and then we have the inauguration, and then that's it, and then who knows what happens after that. | ||
| I really don't think... I don't agree. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen between now and then? | ||
| I don't think it's going to be nothing. | ||
| I don't think it's going to be calm. | ||
| I think it's going to be hysterics and theatrics. | ||
| Theatrics, sure. | ||
| Theatrics are a given. | ||
| Well, everyone's already quitting. | ||
| People are starting to resign. | ||
| Objections are being dropped. | ||
| Joe Biden will be president. | ||
| There's not going to be a path. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| It's over for Trump. | ||
| It's not so much about even Trump. | ||
| It's about what Trump supporters, and especially people who are there in D.C. | ||
| We might... I don't know if we'll see it immediately, though, in the next 14 days, but I'd imagine there's gonna be a lot of arrests. | ||
| Baked Alaska. | ||
| these people who are like live streaming themselves breaking into Pelosi's office and using the | ||
| phone and laughing about it. | ||
| Unfortunately, I think that should happen. | ||
| Big arrests. | ||
| Baked Alaska. | ||
| People that are like carrying statues out of the Capitol building after vandalizing | ||
| and carrying the podium and smiling. | ||
| It's like Antifa wears masks. | ||
| You know, I feel like, um, this Viking guy that went and stood up in the, or there was somebody in like all gold standing up. | ||
| It reminds me of Camacho from Idiocracy. | ||
| And I think he's a Viking guy. | ||
| I think the media is trying to spin it to make these people look like the Idiocrats from Idiocracy. | ||
| So that they did go in with a guy in a Viking suit. | ||
| Like, I am now the commander in chief, weird, you know. | ||
| I mean, if you went into the Capitol building, picked up property, took a picture of it, and put it on the internet, you are one of the imbeciles. | ||
| Yes, and you should be put in jail, I'm sorry to say. | ||
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| Smiling on camera, filming themselves do it. | ||
| Stealing things out of the Capitol. | ||
| Trump could issue a pardon. | ||
| He could pardon everybody. | ||
| He's not gonna. | ||
| Look, I am so mixed. | ||
| I am so mixed about today. | ||
| Look, I understand why people are upset. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| I see critical race theory. | ||
| I see all of our institutions captured and failing. | ||
| I see our institutions making us sick. | ||
| They're making us fat. | ||
| They're making us stupid. | ||
| They're putting us in debt. | ||
| They're creating slaves to the system. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| The institutions want you dead or not dead. | ||
| They want you barely alive, sick, fat, and in debt and working at a slave job for the rest of your entire life. | ||
| The institutions have failed us. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| The politicians have failed us. | ||
| I understand why they're upset. | ||
| And I feel the urge to do something, man. | ||
| Remember when they were tearing down statues, like, around June or July? | ||
| I was on vacation. | ||
| I was in Virginia Beach, and I saw the statues coming down. | ||
| I just wanted to explode! | ||
| I just wanted to get in my car and drive to D.C. | ||
| and do something! | ||
| I understand the urge. | ||
| I understand what happened today. | ||
| Everything you said save the tearing down of statues, you know, being sick, being, you know, in debt, go live out in the middle of nowhere and survive on your own. | ||
| Don't be reliant on the system. | ||
| Consume less, use less, grow more. | ||
| There are answers, right? | ||
| There are answers, but it's a long push. | ||
| But we also have to know, depending on who the attorney general is, it depends if someone will actually face the true ramifications for their crimes. | ||
| So we also have to understand we're at a political phase where right now, if your attorney general believes in the same politics as you, you could, you can get away with crimes and people have gotten away with crimes because of that. | ||
| That means in what, 15 days or whatever, the, you know, whoever's going to be coming in. | ||
| Joe Biden called it an insurrection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he is going to, you know, they say, throw the book at you. | ||
| Now he's going to throw the whole, like, library at people. | ||
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| It's going to be these people who are in this building who came in. | ||
| Joe Biden called it an insurrection. | ||
| So what penalty will they face? | ||
| So just so people know, we're reading comments. | ||
| People were asked to send in the comments to Lydia, to Ian, to Jack, to me. | ||
| I don't know if you guys want to send out your Twitter handles. | ||
| That'd be at Jack Murphy Live, guys. | ||
| Give me Ian Crossland. | ||
| I'm collecting them at LukeWeAreChange. | ||
| So I was noticing a trend in the question. | ||
| The basic question is everyone I think is pretty shocked. | ||
| Everyone's like, where do we go from here? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Like, where does the MAGA crowd go? | ||
| That's literally what I was going to read by a comment by Ash Bilo, who says, I'm a small business owner in Wisconsin. | ||
| I just wanted freedom. | ||
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What hope do we have now? | |
| We gotta think outside the box on this. | ||
| This system is very corrupt. | ||
| This left and right paradigm is flawed, to put it gently. | ||
| What were you gonna say, Tim? | ||
| I hope that these people didn't think their hope was going to be... | ||
| a ragtag bunch of Trump supporters in the Capitol. | ||
| Yeah, you're not going to be able to vote someone in that fixes this. | ||
| The system is built to keep us in debt. | ||
| It's a... we're under the thumb of a global monopoly right now. | ||
| And the United States has been hijacked by a mind parasite that is the Federal Reserve | ||
| that's using our military to maintain its strength around the world. | ||
| And so we need a better system. | ||
| I think cryptocurrency is a great one. | ||
| So if you want to protect your future finances, you might want to consider divesting or diversifying out of the U.S. | ||
| dollar and holding other types of currencies. | ||
| And I think, like you were saying, sustainability. | ||
| At a local level. | ||
| I'm continuously urging my parents to put solar panels on their houses because the cost of electricity could be $700 a month all of a sudden. | ||
| Well, I said personal radical responsibility, not sustainability. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree with what you're saying. | ||
| And then independence as well. | ||
| And I've been working on this with guys in the liminal order as well. | ||
| We talk about traditional homesteading, like being able to go to the land and make it work for you. | ||
| We now need to think also about info homesteading. | ||
| There's more info than there's land. | ||
| There's more data out there. | ||
| There is gold in the info and data hills. | ||
| You have to figure out, you have to learn how to draw that gold out of the information landscape. | ||
| It's a separate way. | ||
| It's a whole different universe, a way of being self-sufficient. | ||
| There's self-sufficient with your land and with your energy and with your food. | ||
| There's self-sufficient with mining the information space that's out there. | ||
| And if you can combine those two together, you no longer want to be off the grid. | ||
| You want to be off the grids you want off of and on the grids you want to be on. | ||
| And that's what I'm looking for. | ||
| That's what I'm aiming for, that duality. | ||
| Off the bad grids, on the good grids with a community and a network of my choice. | ||
| Or Trump supporters can all pool their money, buy an island, and create MAGA country. | ||
| I'll be right there. | ||
| I'm down for building an island. | ||
| A friend of mine builds islands out of recovered plastic. | ||
| His name is Richard Sova off the coast of Mexico, and he floats around on these solar-powered islands. | ||
| Well, the islands have solar panels on them. | ||
| He says that they can actually float and fly because you create heat over the island | ||
| because of the trees that he plants so you get all this recovered plastic put it | ||
| in burlap sacks then you put a layer of dirt then another bunch of bags of | ||
| plastic another layer of dirt and then you plant trees the roots bind it | ||
| all together and then you float it around and because of the heat that produces | ||
| above apparently you could create some sort of lift I don't know about that | ||
| Richard Sovitz, S-O-W-A. | ||
| A lot of libertarians like seasteading, but I don't think that's what you're describing. | ||
| We have another comment by NeverSummer160 who says, my super chat, I promise I'll buy one next time you're live if you read this. | ||
| Deleting my Twitter. | ||
| Basically, the only reason I kept it was for Trump. | ||
| Would love to see how their traffic drops once they can ban him on the Before Trump, Twitter was collapsing. | ||
| It was collapsing. | ||
| The stock was going down, user base was in massive decline. | ||
| Twitter changed their metrics for reporting to shareholders and investors. | ||
| They used to go by daily users, now they go by monthly. | ||
| Because it like made it look bigger but going by daily showed the decline they were in and then Trump came along | ||
| It started tweeting a whole bunch of crazy and everybody started flocking to Twitter now Trump suspended from | ||
| Twitter and Facebook Why has he not gone to mines or parlor yet? I don't go to | ||
| mines Don Do it now. | ||
| You could be posting everything right now on any of these platforms. | ||
| A week after Biden gets sworn in, within a week, Trump's gonna just, he's not gonna be able to control himself, he's gonna tweet something, Twitter's gonna ban his account permanently. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because he's a boomer. | ||
| You know what, I think it was a New York mag had this article where they wrote that The scenario they imagine is that the inauguration happens, | ||
| Trump is flying to Mar-a-Lago when he lands, a bunch of black SUVs pull up to the plane, FBI agents get | ||
| out, and then, you know, they're like, Trump, you need to come with us for questioning, and then | ||
| in fact they're arresting him on federal indictment or whatever. Now, I don't think the federal | ||
| government would do that, but I think the states might. | ||
| I think New York might, because they're currently ramping up a criminal probe into the Trump Organization, so they're going after him. | ||
| But they wouldn't be able to get him if he was in Florida? | ||
| They probably still would. | ||
| They still can. | ||
| This question is for Jack, and the person is at Ingus. | ||
| Michael says, Jack, you said that it hindered the vote on the floor, but they were going to do this anyway. | ||
| That is why they did this. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| I did not go in, but I think they were going to ignore us anyway. | ||
| There's a lot of this is in that question. | ||
| I'm assuming what he meant was that there were going to be no dissenting votes. | ||
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| Well, not dissenting votes, but I think the process was done before twice in American history and both failed to do anything or change anything. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So what did they fail to change other than make everything worse? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just made it worse. | ||
| It went from worse to worse. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| I've got one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hey, Lydia, question for the show. | ||
| This is from Rob the Butcher. | ||
| I find it very interesting that the people in power praise destruction and violence when it is not near them, but once it is done near them, they call it the most despicable thing to be done in the history of their country. | ||
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Of course. | |
| That's not really a question. | ||
| It's more of an observation. | ||
| Yes, 100% correct. | ||
| Not in my backyard. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I got more. | ||
| At Lit Drummer Boy says, 1776 was over less. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| Yeah, but that was, like we mentioned, several hundred years ago. | ||
| It was a different world back then. | ||
| Fewer people. | ||
| We need a technological revolution now. | ||
| I think I think in process, if people were using Bitcoin more and trading | ||
| different ways, like getting. | ||
| I mean, this is, like, embedded in what I am. | ||
| I've been doing it for a decade. | ||
| I like minds. | ||
| I'm on minds. | ||
| I use it. | ||
| using different ways to store value, being reliant on yourself. | ||
| You're so right about minds, dude. | ||
| I mean, this is like embedded in what I am. | ||
| I've been doing it for a decade. | ||
| Well, what, what, Trump creating minds, just using a free software social network | ||
| that doesn't track you. | ||
| I like minds. | ||
| I'm on minds, I use it. | ||
| I like it quite a bit. | ||
| Very useful tech. | ||
| This is one thing I think Trump supporters can do, especially, most of them are on Parler, I guess, is use different networks, decentralize, and start your own thing, man. | ||
| Start building your own thing. | ||
| You gotta build your own thing. | ||
| Go out and find some land in the middle of nowhere, and you can get it. | ||
| It's not that expensive in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| There's a reason for that. | ||
| Well, dig a hole, make a well, hunt a deer. | ||
| We suffer from a crisis of masculinity in America and some of the traits of masculine energy are to build and create and protect and provide. | ||
| Engage those sense of your masculine energy, man. | ||
| Build, create, protect, provide. | ||
| You can't protect if you're in the city and they can turn off your water if you decide to have Thanksgiving. | ||
| That was one of the things that really got me was just seeing what happened in California when the guy had a party. | ||
| Remember we talked about this? | ||
| He was a rich guy anyway. | ||
| Yeah, I know, but still the thought was there and then they turned off the freaking utilities to his house. | ||
| And they just made more videos and laughed about it. | ||
| It's easy when you're rich to do that. | ||
| I'm thinking about regular people. | ||
| I'm thinking about when I got doxxed and then my city got burned. | ||
| I got attacked by Antifa a number of times in the streets. | ||
| Hell, I got shot in the throat once this summer. | ||
| I felt like I didn't have anywhere to really retreat to. | ||
| Shot in the throat? | ||
| Yeah, I got shot in the throat by the cops on May 27th, May 28th. | ||
| With what? | ||
| With one of those rubber bullets. | ||
| Yeah, well, not a bullet. | ||
| I mean, I would have been the only person to think. | ||
| No, no, I got a rubber bullet right through the beard and my bandana. | ||
| Right through the beard? | ||
| How dare they? | ||
| I know. | ||
| And that was like on the first night where everything popped off for the first time. | ||
| But I didn't have a place to retreat to. | ||
| Like, okay, I've retreated to my city home, you know, where I'm still as vulnerable, where there's still people around me, where I still am completely dependent on other people for everything. | ||
| I needed a place where I can retreat and actually be safe and sovereign. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At Freedom Ring 13 says, what are your thoughts on peaceful secession? | ||
| No such thing. | ||
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No such thing. | |
| Does not exist. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Well, because whomever's in charge of leading the government and the Constitution has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution. | ||
| And historical precedent shows that if states secede from the Union, you attack them, evade them, you kill them, salt their fields, take their women, ruin their whole life until they say, OK, OK, OK, we won't leave. | ||
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Yeah, that's that's historical precedent. | |
| I agree with that. | ||
| The War of Northern Aggression, as they call it. | ||
| A lot of comments, and I have to be honest here, is people saying, what do we do next? | ||
| And a lot of them are like, but they use violence. | ||
| So that's the main sentiment. | ||
| So they have the high ground. | ||
| That's the metaphor. | ||
| The media will protect them. | ||
| The pundits will approve of it. | ||
| And it's wrong to do it. | ||
| And like I said, they're looking uphill, seeing people pointing their weapons down, so they think, I'm going to point my weapons down. | ||
| It's like, well, you're firing into the ground. | ||
| Regarding that, what do we do next? | ||
| What do you want to be the outcome? | ||
| That's a question that you should ask yourself. | ||
| And then the answer should be, okay, peace is vague, though, because if you nuclear, well, Freedom's also vague. | ||
| Regarding peace, if you nuclear melt the entire Earth, there will be peace and calmness, although there will be no humans. | ||
| And if freedom could be, you're out in the middle of the woods starving with no clothes on, but you're free to do whatever you want. | ||
| So what do you want to be the outcome? | ||
| I got it. | ||
| All Trump supporters move to California, become residents, and then vote for secession? | ||
| Secession. | ||
| And then leave! | ||
| Get it? | ||
| Like scuttling the ship in the... I'm kidding. | ||
| That'd be great. | ||
| Well, they have an open ballot system where you could put certain issues on the ballot and then people could vote on it on popular demand. | ||
| So secession doesn't, as a joke, because it would require two-thirds of the states to approve, it would be an amendment to the Constitution and stuff like that. | ||
| So one thing people are asking about that I don't think we've touched on tonight is whether Antifa was involved. | ||
| Yes, I wanted to talk about that. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| But what do you think, Jack? | ||
| Here's what I think. | ||
| I think the Antifa has been waiting for this day for a year. | ||
| They wanted to do that 70 day siege or whatever of the White House that fell through. | ||
| But all those people from Portland and Seattle and across the country, they came here. | ||
| Like they're here, they travel across the country, they're in DC, right? | ||
| And they've been training and planning and festering and whatever for months now. | ||
| And we also saw throughout the summer that they changed their tactics based on changes of tactics by the police and the government. | ||
| And so there was a dance, there was an iteration. | ||
| They changed what they were doing, they changed the point of conflict, they changed their tactics. | ||
| I saw them at the last event. | ||
| They were in their own little private pen counter protesting right by the Capitol. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| Seb Gorka walked right up from behind them into their little like death pit. | ||
| And it was a funny scene because I'm a big guy, by the way. | ||
| I'm 6'4, 250. | ||
| Seb Gorka is like, I'm like, I'm looking up at that guy. | ||
| That guy is massive. | ||
| And he was like, it was awesome. | ||
| But they were, they were clear there. | ||
| They've always counter demonstrated. | ||
| They weren't there today. | ||
| They weren't. | ||
| Where were they? | ||
| Weren't they saying that they were going to dress up as MAGA people? | ||
| No, there were people on Facebook I saw, Antifa people, posting the other day, don't go, let the fascists fight themselves. | ||
| That was a meme that was going around. | ||
| So that's what they posted the other day. | ||
| That's the thing about Antifa, you can just put on a MAGA hat and go. | ||
| So we don't know. | ||
| That's the thing about Antifa, you can put on a hoodie and you're Antifa. | ||
| You can dress like anything, it doesn't matter. | ||
| It's a disorganization. | ||
| That's right, just an idea. | ||
| What was the joke that all the Proud Boys were actually Antifa pretending to be Proud Boys and all the Antifa are actually Proud Boys pretending to be Antifa because they're both trying to make each other look bad? | ||
| I mean, that's basically it. | ||
| That's basically it. | ||
| It's mutual combat between those two groups. | ||
| And I say, hey, let them have it. | ||
| I believe in mutual combat. | ||
| If you consent to it, let's do it. | ||
| In some places it's legal. | ||
| Yeah, it would probably solve some of our bigger problems if we allowed little brush fryers to take place every once in a while. | ||
| Controlled violence is okay. | ||
| We used to have dueling. | ||
| And then, you know, it was interesting. | ||
| I was reading about why dueling ended. | ||
| And it was because the younger generation thought it was crazy that people were killing each other over honor. | ||
| So it stopped. | ||
| The next generation came in, and that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and like the duel with, what was it, Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. | ||
| Apparently Hamilton didn't actually take the duel seriously. | ||
| And thought it was like one of those duels where, okay, we show up, you miss, we preserve our honor and we leave. | ||
| But Burr was like, I hate this guy. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so there's like different stories like Hamilton like purposefully missed thinking he was being a gentleman and then he got hit in the gut or whatever. | ||
| I wonder if that's true or if he actually just missed. | ||
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| And those are his followers. | ||
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| History is written by the winners. | ||
| So I don't have Parler on my phone, otherwise I would check this myself, but there is a rumor that I'm seeing on Twitter that President Trump is actually on Parler, which is very interesting to me. | ||
| Tim, do you have Parler on your phone? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Oh, let's find out. | ||
| Because I went to Google it and I can't really find, like, a topical article about it. | ||
| I only see, you know, Newsweek crapping all over Parler and Business Insider talking about how it's all a bunch of nonsense over there and pro-Trump riots and stuff. | ||
| So I would be really curious if Trump is actually on Parler, because that could be a defining moment for them. | ||
| Hopefully a movement towards... Here's one from Fez underscore Bori, Vice President-elect Harris Paint. | ||
| Does Tim Kast want to be, like, political Mr. Beast? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know much about Mr. Beast. | ||
| We give out donations to small businesses? | ||
| That'd be so fun! | ||
| We'd be like Dave Portnoy. | ||
| We can do it in the vlog. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be fun. | ||
| Go find small businesses or something. | ||
| A solid maybe, if that's what Mr. Beast does. | ||
| He gives donations to small businesses. | ||
| He does videos where he's like, I secretly left $1,000 for this waitress. | ||
| Let's film a reaction. | ||
| And the lady that's crying. | ||
| Tim is like that. | ||
| Yeah, he already is like that. | ||
| He'll just slip money into people's hands and pockets when they don't see it coming. | ||
| And then someone else mentioned the Unity Party, which I'm not convinced about the Unity Party. | ||
| I just love the idea of a new, fresh party. | ||
| We talked about this with Jack, I think, maybe last time or a couple times ago. | ||
| Yeah, Jack, what are your thoughts on the Unity Party at this point? | ||
| Is that Weinstein? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that they had a noble idea, wasn't the right time, didn't get put into practice, and they picked the wrong people, and a number of things. | ||
| But I do like his idea. | ||
| I mean, I talked to Brett on the phone about it. | ||
| He even asked me who I thought they should nominate for president. | ||
| And the person I suggested, he declined. | ||
| But, you know, is it going to be effective? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think more of a hostile takeover of an existing party is probably the way to go. | ||
| There's a there's a long road to hope. | ||
| I'm not saying it hasn't happened in the past. | ||
| We've seen viable third parties in the past. | ||
| We've seen viable third party candidates even in my lifetime, although maybe not in some of your lifetime. | ||
| You younger folks. | ||
| Ross Perot was a real thing. | ||
| He had helped Clinton get elected with nary, what, 40% of the vote, I think? | ||
| Did he have big ears? | ||
| He had big ears, yeah. | ||
| The biggest. | ||
| So do you think that what happened today was them trying to attempt a hostile takeover? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I think it was some angry people, angry people who felt let down and felt like this was them taking the last stand that they could to protect themselves, their family, the future of the Republic, all the, all the things that, that have a hint of truth, but, but also are overblown and used to manipulate people and give them hopes that something crazy was going to happen when nothing, nothing crazy was ever going to happen. | ||
| I feel like people might've been let down, you know, at the end of the speech. | ||
| Cause there was no big revelation and he basically was like, come on Mikey, do the right thing. | ||
| Except he kept saying this weird thing. | ||
| He kept saying, it's, it's courageous to do the right thing. | ||
| He goes, well, except actually being courageous. | ||
| It's more courageous sometimes to do nothing. | ||
| I don't, I didn't, he said it like three different times. | ||
| Was it a veiled threat? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was like, it was just such a strange statement. | ||
| I didn't really understand it. | ||
| I'm trying to get people to stand down. | ||
| I can't, I can't find anything on Parler. | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't convinced. | ||
| And then Melissa just asks, are you all going to start your own site? | ||
| We all need to get off from out from under the boot of YouTube. | ||
| And the answer to that is yes, that is something we are working on right now. | ||
| It's going to be super cool and it's going to go hand in hand with the vlog, which I'm very excited about. | ||
| I mean, I think it's critically important people set up their own databases and alternatives. | ||
| I set one up for wearechange.org. | ||
| I have my own email list. | ||
| No matter what happens, I still... I admire your independence, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you have to. | ||
| You have to be as independent as you can nowadays. | ||
| You can't rely on anyone because it's only a matter of time. | ||
| I mean, the U.S. | ||
| President right now is blocked on Twitter and Facebook. | ||
| He can't send out any messages to the general public through social media. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That has implications. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| And, you know, there's a lot of different questions and a lot of spicy ones that I don't even know if I should bring up. | ||
| That are exactly why YouTube disabled chat for this show. | ||
| Yep, probably. | ||
| Do you, with your WeAreChange database, are you through AWS with Amazon? | ||
| I don't use Amazon. | ||
| No, I don't use Amazon. | ||
| I try to stay far away, as far as I can away from it. | ||
| Do you maintain like a database on site? | ||
| Or do you have someone maintaining like a local database? | ||
| I have a really good web developer, Dave Cahill. | ||
| He's been doing an incredible job for me and he does everything. | ||
| He sets up the servers. | ||
| He's just an amazing human being that's been one of my good friends that has been personally setting it up all for me to run independently of any possible systems out there. | ||
| I'll take this opportunity to say, considering that Super Chats and chats were disabled, | ||
| if you want to support the show, you can go to timcast.com forward slash donate, | ||
| if you so choose, and it would be greatly appreciated. | ||
| Normally Super Chats, you know, we read them and it helps support the show, but a bit too | ||
| spicy today, I suppose. So that's out It'll have to be social currency tonight, unless you want to jump in with something. | ||
| And you can actually send Tim Bitcoin. | ||
| I believe you have a Bitcoin address on there. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| I got all that. | ||
| Do you have an Ethereum address as well? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Timcast.com is going to be changing to a unique site, and it's going to be the site for the podcast, and then members will get access to exclusive stuff and things like that. | ||
| So we're going that direction. | ||
| We also have, you know, sponsors now for the show every so often, which is great, which is, you know, basically because of things like this, right? | ||
| We read two sponsor spots this week already, and the good news is something like this happens where the Super Chats get disabled. | ||
| That's why I'm like, you know, we gotta be careful. | ||
| We gotta probably take on some sponsors. | ||
| Also, it's not that easy to get them, so I'm really grateful that we did, but we gotta make sure we find ways to survive after, you know, social media becomes Get creative. | ||
| Worse than it is, I guess. | ||
| You know, I'll tell you one thing. | ||
| I wonder what would be happening on Twitter if they didn't ban many of the most prominent Trump-supporting personalities. | ||
| What would they have been saying on Twitter while this was going down? | ||
| Because I saw some stuff from some high-profile people that I was like, I can't believe they tweeted that. | ||
| What? | ||
| Who? | ||
| Just encouragement. | ||
| To go do what they did today? | ||
| While it was going down, encouragement. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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| And I was like, I can only imagine. | ||
| Participation. | ||
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Some of them were there. | |
| Some of them found themselves in the office of the speaker on her phone. | ||
| I don't know how that doesn't land you in jail, bro. | ||
| And Trump's going to be out of office. | ||
| There's not going to be any pardons for that. | ||
| No. | ||
| And if they put in a new AG, which they will. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| It's not Cuomo. | ||
| They announced, I think, who it was going to be already. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| It was someone terrible, as I recall. | ||
| I just don't remember who. | ||
| Who? | ||
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Yikes. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember who. | ||
| I just have one more point to make. | ||
| I'm noticing a trend where people are being combative about whether or not this was a bad idea. | ||
| And you guys, I don't know what you know about the Patriot Act, but this is going to be a 50 times worse response. | ||
| You guys have no idea what is going to happen because of this. | ||
| We just got a full Democrat. | ||
| Democrats just won Georgia, guys. | ||
| We lost everything. | ||
| And this? | ||
| This is a wonderful combination. | ||
| President, House, Senate, and all the institutions. | ||
| And with that, the first point of order is going to be the insurrection and addressing it. | ||
| And some sweeping national security order and truth and reconciliation commissions. | ||
| And that will exacerbate the problem. | ||
| And that will be the Democrats gloating while they spray a flamethrower on the fire while they claim to be fighting against it. | ||
| And that's gonna make many of the people who are angry right now even angrier, and that's the problem. | ||
| And what do you do? | ||
| What happened today was, in my opinion, poorly thought, if not thought at all, and hurt everybody, and gives the Democrats an excuse to signal to their base, which they will do, and they're doing now, Cori Bush saying, it's treason then. | ||
| And that's gonna make more people feel anxious, scared, civil war trending, and then the Democrats will respond with some, you know, truth and reconciliation. | ||
| Yeah, that's going to make people go nuts. | ||
| Robespierre, during the French Revolution, they created the Committee of Public Safety, is what they called it. | ||
| And that's the committee that had 15,000 people beheaded, executed. | ||
| They were like political enemies of the revolution. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| Maybe more metaphorical, the beheadings, but they're definitely coming. | ||
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| Yeah, we're well past that era, but something will happen. | ||
| It's going to be unpersonings. | ||
| It's going to be like, we're banning you from financial institutions and your access to research, like they've already been doing. | ||
| Is it called the Truth and Reconciliation? | ||
| That's a committee right now? | ||
| No. | ||
| The Democrats have been calling for Truth and Reconciliation Commissions and Military Tribunals. | ||
| And banning people from doing basic things like we already see some right wingers. | ||
| Expelling people from Congress. | ||
| CNBC is now reporting that the Flight Attendant Union wants pro-Trump rioters barred from flights. | ||
| So we're going to see similar actions. | ||
| We already saw PayPal ban a bunch of individuals. | ||
| We already saw banks ban other individuals because of their political opinion. | ||
| I think it's only fair that that's going to happen here. | ||
| And one of the questions was, what are you going to do when they ban you from buying land because of your political opinion? | ||
| That was one of the comments that people are sending me specifically here. | ||
| People are going to go insane. | ||
| It's got to be a human rights issue then at this point. | ||
| If the government's going to maintain a monopoly on finance, which they really want to, then it's got to be a human right. | ||
| We have to defend our human rights as Americans to finance. | ||
| So I have a good question, a really interesting question from Justin Graff, who says, is it possible that today's self-destruction of Trumpism may actually be a good thing for national populism in the long run? | ||
| Boogeyman is totally destroyed and the woke establishment train is too loud and fast to stop. | ||
| I don't think that they will think that this boogeyman is totally destroyed. | ||
| They're just going to keep spinning it out forever, whatever happens. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| Will it be good for it? | ||
| For populism in the long run? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think now what support Trump had is gone. | ||
| And Trump is absolutely an imperfect avatar for it. | ||
| But now it's the baby out with the bathwater, you know? | ||
| I don't like nationalism in general. | ||
| Nationalism and populism is what led to Hitler, what led to Mussolini, what led to Donald Trump. | ||
| And Nazis in America. | ||
| So dangerous. | ||
| The Federalists and wanting to form a nation and manifest destiny and all that stuff. | ||
| Well it was states' rights at first, the United States. | ||
| The Federalists weren't. | ||
| Yeah, but the reason we formed as a bunch of states working together, it wasn't like... And the United States was formed, I mean, Abraham Lincoln, he was a national unionist. | ||
| He was, and he suspended habeas corpus. | ||
| Yeah, it was crazy stuff, but... And permitted the war of northern aggressions, so... But I think people generally agree that Abraham Lincoln was one of our greatest presidents. | ||
| I like the guy. | ||
| From what I know about him, I like him. | ||
| I think there's a lot of division on that. | ||
| But he wasn't really a populist. | ||
| He ran against three other, there were four presidents running or people running for president when he got elected. | ||
| And he was kind of a nobody, but the least worst. | ||
| He won with like 33% of the vote. | ||
| I'll tell you what, look, I am all for one world government, unified currency and human beings. | ||
| So long as we have our freedoms, our rights, our constitution. | ||
| The problem is the people who are proposing this kind of stuff don't want that. | ||
| They want to take away your speech. | ||
| They want to take away your rights. | ||
| When Trump went to that meeting on hate speech in Europe, and they all signed this paper on, like, pledging to ban hate speech, Trump said, I can't do it. | ||
| It's a violation of our country's constitution. | ||
| And they were like, all these news reports come up saying, oh, harumph, Trump refuses to pledge to fight hate speech. | ||
| And it's like, he can't! | ||
| So the problem is, look, if China ends up taking over, then you get to live in a society where they'll weld your doors shut and let you die in your home of dehydration because they don't want to get sick. | ||
| In the United States, we have a constitution protecting individual liberties. | ||
| If the world was founded upon a similar constitution that guaranteed rights, I got no problem with that. | ||
| It's fine. That would be good. Yeah, the problem is people in this country in the world don't all agree with each | ||
| other and some people have really crazy fundamentalist views and will throw you off a building if you do things | ||
| they don't like. | ||
| Yeah. And so how do you... So what ends up happening is we say we have a nation, we have borders, so the people who | ||
| want to do us harm can't do that. We have to make sure we have security. So what do you do? | ||
| Maybe once we're unified around common human experience, and I don't know how long that'll take, we can be like, yay, we have one world where we all agree, but we don't. | ||
| We have disparate communities and cultures that very many of them hate each other and will fight each other. | ||
| It reminds me of this. | ||
| You guys, you guys know the Far Side, Gary Larson comics? | ||
| There's one where there's a terrarium and there's two aliens looking in and there's a grizzly bear roaring and like about to hit a human. | ||
| And he goes, you put incompatible species in the same container. | ||
| Like, there are certain ideas that oppose each other and will lead to disastrous consequences. | ||
| Until humans agree on fundamental principles and rights, what do you do but have nations? | ||
| But I'll tell you, you can have nations, and the rights of America can be respected, And still have international agreements and trade and some kind of United Nations or committees that negotiate to keep things and keep the peace and stuff like that. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It makes sense that we have different countries with different rules. | ||
| The problem is what happens when China has concentration camps and no one does anything about it? | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| Or when you're homosexual and you go to that country and you can get your hands chopped off or stuff like that. | ||
| You're sounding very Alexander Dugan right now with multipolar nationalist identities in the world. | ||
| He sees a space in the world for this type of civilization, that type of civilization, this one, you know, Eurasian and American and Persian and the Chinese. | ||
| And he thinks that they should be allowed to be themselves. | ||
| Multipolar nationalism is what he says. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if I think one thing one way or the other. | ||
| I'm just saying it's what it is right now. | ||
| Right now, you've got people who live in Europe and they love the lockdowns. | ||
| They love the blocking of speech. | ||
| They like it. | ||
| There are people in Sweden who cheered when journalists published the private information of citizens who had bad opinions. | ||
| They love that. | ||
| In America, we have people who like that, too. | ||
| We, as a country, on our founding principles, we don't like that kind of stuff. | ||
| So, it's a challenge. | ||
| I mean, right now, you can go, well, not everybody, but you can live in different places, you know, if you have the means or the resources. | ||
| If you want to live in a democratic social democracy, like the Nordic countries, and then have your speech curtailed because you have no problem conforming to the opinions of others, then you go. | ||
| You can go right there and do it. | ||
| You know, it's weird to me that so many people want to, uh... Well, I don't know. | ||
| You know, I guess it's just people want what people want. | ||
| And then how we develop in advance and move forward is yet to be seen. | ||
| I don't think there's a clean path. | ||
| I thought that if we had one language, as a human species, that we would tend towards a global community. | ||
| Does Twitter seem invisible? | ||
| But not in China. | ||
| We all speak English in the United States and that ain't helping. | ||
| But not in China. And they'll even cut those people off from the internet so that they can't hear us talking. | ||
| Because when they find out what the America's about... | ||
| People in America speak English but they have different definitions for many different words. | ||
| But we can go and live anywhere with no problem. | ||
| Like, you can't move to Germany and just get along. | ||
| You gotta learn German. | ||
| I mean, you kinda can because they speak English. | ||
| If they didn't speak English, it would be terrifying. | ||
| You'd be surprised. | ||
| You can go basically anywhere and they speak English. | ||
| Which is good. | ||
| I think that's the step towards unifying. | ||
| Has it made us more peaceful? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| It used to be just chaos. | ||
| I mean, World War II was horrific. | ||
| World War I was, they called it the Great War because So many, how many hundreds of million, hundred million people died? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, it was like a language barrier. | ||
| Ultimately the Germans and the French couldn't, they didn't know how to. | ||
| They played soccer together. | ||
| They didn't speak the same language. | ||
| One, one day on Christmas morning. | ||
| They actually all like spoke multiple languages and they still do. | ||
| In Europe they do. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, and, and like the Swiss, I think speak three languages. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| German, French, and uh, Swedish. | ||
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Swiss. | |
| Swiss. | ||
| Not Swedish. | ||
| Swiss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Multiple languages. | ||
| Well, I think we're all sort of winding down and getting tired. | ||
| It's just an exhausting conversation. | ||
| What are you thinking, Jack? | ||
| I think tomorrow's going to be scary. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, what do you mean, why? | ||
| How scary, how? | ||
| Just look at what happened today. | ||
| The tensions are higher than they've ever been. | ||
| The escalation is more dramatic. | ||
| Look, it was one thing to have people storm the building. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| But to then have Politicians being like, treason, expulsion. | ||
| They were like, let's throw Tinder onto this. | ||
| The social media censorship, it's worse than it's ever been. | ||
| The powder keg is going off. | ||
| Do you think it's like in a slow explosion right now? | ||
| Well, there was a really funny tweet where they said, well, that popped off very slowly over four years. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It happens slow. | ||
| Time dilation. | ||
| And then every day, and I keep saying this, sure, maybe tomorrow we wake up and everyone realizes, well, that was crazy. | ||
| Let's all calm down. | ||
| Do you really think that's what's going to happen? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Well, anyway, my friends, thanks for hanging out. | ||
| We went a bit over, and I'm getting pretty tired. | ||
| I think everyone's getting a little tired, so make sure you follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast. | ||
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| Glad we answered questions. | ||
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| We are live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. | ||
| So of course we will be back tomorrow and we'll see how things go. | ||
| But Jack, you have your own channels and socials. | ||
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| We got another interview. | ||
| We did Ryan Long comedy on Monday. | ||
| Probably the funniest man in America right now. | ||
| That was an excellent interview. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
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| Luke, apparently you have a website. | ||
| Talk about very similar things, so it's good to have you on here. | ||
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| It's very timely. | ||
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| So yeah, go check that out. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
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| Let me know if it's in frame, Lydia. | ||
| Harumph! | ||
| Harumph, I say. | ||
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| So Lydia hooked me up with one. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Harumph. | ||
| Gotta put that on the drinking game bingo card. | ||
| You actually said Harumph on the show. | ||
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I know, great. | |
| It's probably just looking at me. | ||
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Harumph. | |
| I know, yeah. | ||
| You can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter if you want to. | ||
| I post a lot of random things. | ||
| Some people say I'm a great follow, other people don't, but I have a lot. | ||
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The best. | |
| So join me. | ||
| The best. | ||
| L-Y-D-S. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| All right, everybody, get a good night's sleep. | ||
| Everyone calm down a little bit. | ||
| Maybe play some, you know, some little mobile game on your phone. | ||
| Yeah, some Tetris. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| And wake up tomorrow refreshed, feeling great. | ||
| Maybe get some exercise, eat right, and clear your mind. | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m. | ||
| live. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all then. | ||
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