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Nov. 12, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump Staging A COUP?! Journalists Panic Over Trump's Latest Move w/ Jack Murphy
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ian crossland
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tim pool
I guess YouTube is back!
So we're streaming, I think.
I think we're streaming.
Thanks for tuning in everybody.
YouTube was down for quite a bit, and so we kind of just waited to see if things would clear up, and then it looks like I was able to pull up the stream, so I guess we're live.
Thanks for tuning in.
Man, it's getting crazy.
I'll tell you this.
The left, not all, like the resistance media people, I'm seeing a bunch of tweets where they're kind of freaking out.
Hey, turn that off.
What are you doing?
ian crossland
It's not me.
lydia smith
He's watching the stream.
tim pool
Oh, that's my fault.
lydia smith
Oh, Timothy!
ian crossland
Always blaming me, Tim.
tim pool
Well, you were the one on your phone.
ian crossland
Welcome back, everyone.
tim pool
You're sitting there on your phone.
That was my fault.
ian crossland
I had to tweet.
I just fired out.
tim pool
And I'm like, what are you doing with your phone?
unidentified
What's going on?
jack murphy
There's a boomer among us.
ian crossland
Just keep blaming me, man.
tim pool
I want the attention.
Yeah, yeah.
Everyone look at Ian.
lydia smith
Everyone look at Ian.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
lydia smith
There's Ian.
jack murphy
PJ Man.
unidentified
We're live.
tim pool
So this article comes up, and they're like, could Trump really stage a coup?
Who?
And there's like murmurs now that Trump is planning on staging some kind of coup.
But it's, uh, I don't know, man.
It's really weird.
I'll tell you this.
A lot of people on the right have said if there ever was a civil war, the left will regret it.
We would win so fast.
And I said, that's not that's not true at all.
The left controls the technological institutions.
They would shut down your means of communication instantly.
I'm not saying there's a coup.
I'm not saying anything's going on.
I have no idea.
But we have an article from The Guardian.
If that was the case and Donald Trump decided to just ignore the courts, ignore the lawsuits, and say, you know what?
I'm not leaving.
I'll tell you the first thing that's gonna happen is social media would go down across the board.
lydia smith
Just like it just did with YouTube.
tim pool
Just totally gone.
Anyway, let's just get into it, because, I don't know, the internet's back and we're like 36 minutes late, so we have a bunch to talk about.
Jack Murphy is here, as usual, for Wednesdays.
jack murphy
Hello, everybody.
Good to be back.
Nice to see you.
tim pool
You can see behind him, it says playback error.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I got a request to keep that on dark night mode from now on, because it was blinding someone trying to watch the show in the dark.
lydia smith
It's always on dark mode.
ian crossland
Is it?
lydia smith
Yeah, literally always.
tim pool
No, it was really bright yesterday.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was like a white screen.
Oh, okay, okay.
ian crossland
Doing what I can, folks.
tim pool
You know what, man?
We're just gonna, we're gonna chill.
We're gonna talk about whatever.
lydia smith
Half an hour late.
ian crossland
Coup?
jack murphy
We were just doing the show anyway, just sitting here.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
I know.
If the people who are listening, who weren't listening now, if only you could hear what we're talking about, all this top secret stuff.
ian crossland
It was this, but better.
lydia smith
Yeah, it sure was.
ian crossland
Coup or no coup, Jack?
jack murphy
Well, what is the precondition for a coup?
I guess he would have to be legally required to depart, and I just don't know that I'm there yet.
ian crossland
Which is normal, right?
jack murphy
Yeah, I think we're going through a very normal process right now.
Making sure the votes are good?
Checking the system?
Shaking it?
Making sure it's nice and sturdy?
tim pool
Quite literally, what's happening right now is normal and the way it's supposed to be.
And it's very strange the media is trying to tell us it's not.
So think about how the Constitution lays out how the process works.
There's actually a dedicated period for legal challenges.
They actually say, like, you have until this day to resolve your state legal disputes.
It's expected this would happen.
I mean, remember when that one dude shot that other dude?
No, it happened so many times in our politics, which dude are we talking about?
But how about Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr?
ian crossland
I was just watching that musical today.
tim pool
It used to be that, like, I'm running for president.
Well, you're a heathen!
How dare you besmirch my honor!
Pistols at dawn!
jack murphy
Duel's word up.
tim pool
They go kill each other.
Nowadays, it's like, you know, Mitt Romney goes, Obama, you won!
I'm not even gonna try!
You win!
And he walks away.
jack murphy
That's because they're all part of the same party.
tim pool
Yeah, the uniparty.
jack murphy
Not even a party.
No, this is Trump still fighting the uniparty.
Wouldn't be surprised.
Wouldn't be surprised.
Total speculation.
If some people in the GOP establishment might not be too upset to see even if the Democrats stole the election.
tim pool
Of course.
I mean, look at the Never Trumpers.
Look at the Lincoln Project.
The Lincoln Project is going after Trump's lawyers and the law firm itself and their clients.
As I think Will Chamberlain said, they said, I think this was him, that's going after the the law firm and their clients is not indicative of a movement that thinks they're on track for victory.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
They're desperate and they're targeting their it's it's it's disgusting.
It's really dirty.
So Lincoln Project never Trumpers posted the pictures, the phone numbers and email addresses of two of these lawyers.
jack murphy
Yeah, I saw that.
I reported that tweet.
lydia smith
Yeah, make them famous.
tim pool
And then they, uh, someone said go after their clients and they said, on it.
You have a right to legal representation.
You have a right to file your legal challenge.
And we're supposed to have a civil process, civil suits, where it's like, I object to your assertion that these ballots are good and I will see you in court.
Good, sir.
And then they show up and they target your lawyers so that you can't actually even go through that process.
ian crossland
And they target them by doing what?
Dox them?
tim pool
Publishing their private information and saying, go after them.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
That one judge got, remember that, that, that lady judge got, that lady judge, that female woman judge got attacked.
Her husband and son got killed in her house.
lydia smith
I remember that.
tim pool
Someone went to the house, knocked on the door and then put a bullet in the chest of the kid.
ian crossland
We were just talking to the male lady today and like about how insecure male trucks are.
Like, and they're not supposed to carry weapons, but like, they're carrying valuable goods.
They're not armored.
They're, and you can just like, so like, but they're not supposed to carry weapons.
And I think maybe they should start carrying weapons for defense.
tim pool
She was saying that you can't carry anything, but you've got people who are like, you're in a mail vehicle full of stuff, delivering things.
You know what I mean?
So.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
ian crossland
A little off topic there.
jack murphy
Yeah, just a smidge.
I'm still reeling.
ian crossland
Welcome home, Jack.
Tim made a good point last night when we were talking about some of the Republicans not being there for Trump, like they're just using him to get Supreme Court nominees, get a few things, and then happy to see him go.
And now they've packed the, well, not packed the court, but got some Republicans in there, some conservatives, I guess you would call them.
Which, Republicans don't even necessarily have to be conservative anymore.
jack murphy
Trump's always been fighting the establishment on the right, establishment on the left, and in fact, Trump isn't... We, the network, the network of people tired of the Uniparty, tired of the corporatists, tired of the globals, we are the ones that launched Trump.
It wasn't that Trump was some amazing politician and he's like some amazing orator.
It's that we picked him and we catapulted him.
Grassroots effort, people donating their time and energy and becoming part of this whole movement.
It's a movement that launched Donald Trump to the top.
And whatever happens to Donald Trump, that movement is still going to be there.
And that movement is against and anti towards the establishment.
So the establishment hates Trump, hates all of us, and wants to see us all squash.
ian crossland
And it's not just the idea of establishment.
It's this specific establishment that's been corrupted by, if it's a global monetary obsession or this desire to prevent World War III through military coercion.
Hi, Betsy.
Betsy's here.
It's an improper establishment that I think I'm against anyway.
I'm not anti-establishment in general.
I just don't like this current problem.
jack murphy
Come on, you're wearing pajamas.
ian crossland
You're very anti-establishment.
jack murphy
If we could establish a functional... You're not anti-establishment, so that means you're establishment.
unidentified
Well, if you're not actively anti-establishment, sir.
tim pool
You are pro-establishment.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
We are anti-est.
ian crossland
I'm anti-est.
I'm anti-this-est.
But I would like to establish something valid, you know, where the votes are tallied in plain sight, where we can trust each other, where there's no war, where humanity has enough food.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
The votes are tallied in plain sight.
The anomaly here is that specific votes weren't tallied in plain sight.
ian crossland
Well, they're tallied on a computer program.
tim pool
Yes, yes, yes.
And that's part of it.
ian crossland
Proprietary one.
tim pool
Oh, here she comes.
So we have a full hand recount coming in Georgia.
lydia smith
Yeah, we do.
jack murphy
Is that a recount or is that a recanvass or is that an audit?
ian crossland
Everything.
jack murphy
They're going to look at each ballot?
tim pool
Secretary of State said everything.
He said recount, a recount, an audit, and a recanvass.
jack murphy
Oh, boom.
There you go.
tim pool
We'll see.
Some people are saying they're still going to, after they segregate them, run them through the scanners.
But look, man, it's always been insane that we use proprietary software to do our elections.
It should be open source and the code should be available on the web.
And we should be able to load up that code in real time as they're sliding those ballots in so we can all watch.
The only reason they would want to hide anything is because they's a cheating.
jack murphy
Open source is safer in many instances, right?
Because people get to test it.
tim pool
It's not so much about, um, like you wouldn't be able to, I guess one of the challenges is that you can't, these machines aren't supposed to be connected to the internet at all.
And therein lies a serious problem.
If they are, they can be exploited remotely, but if they aren't, then they can be exploited before and then activate the exploits after.
So it's, we had this glitch in Michigan and the company is saying, no, no, it was human error.
The 6,000 votes that went, that were for Trump, but went to Biden.
That was it.
That was human error.
But we're seeing similar numbers across the board.
jack murphy
So you think that if Trump is the one that rejects the outcome, certified outcome, constitutional outcome, that one of the first signs that we would see is what?
Total shutdown of all social media?
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, I think in any capacity, like, I don't know if we're, we're ever going to get anywhere near that, but I'll, I'll put it this way before we get into like this, like really out there conversation.
unidentified
Oh, we're talking about Trump going to war.
tim pool
Let me just say warning.
Disappointing.
on Saturday when they called it for Joe Biden, where it seemed like everybody
just agreed Joe Biden wins. And there were Trump supporters who seemed to be
stopping and looking around to check the temperature. There were certain
personalities I won't name who are kind of like not... Are we fighting this or not?
unidentified
Right? Right.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Are we all just going to lay down and let them run in or are we going nuts?
And then now you can see, I don't want to call anybody out specifically because I know there's a lot of people who watch, but some TV people, some TV personalities really seemed like they were gearing up for laying down their sword until they saw the likes of Don Jr.
and people like Sebastian Gorka and other high-profile Trump-supporting personalities went charge They were waiting for their cue.
unidentified
whether Trump supporters were like, yes, yes, yes, of course, waiting for their cue.
tim pool
Yeah. Well, they want to make sure they weren't going to be jumping in with the,
jack murphy
with, you know, on the sinking ship. Yeah. Unsupported. So it's an information war and
you got to have all kinds of information weapons and you have foot soldiers and infantry and people
in the trenches, cross grassroots, crowdsourced meme makers, influencers spontaneously erupting,
you know, canvassers and et cetera.
And you need like artillery cover for your ground troops, man, in an information war.
And the way that you do that is by getting out there in front and laying down the narrative and then also supporting people that are victims in the information war, which is something that I've heard as a criticism from the Trump administration, that they did not protect people who were victims in the info war.
tim pool
Yup.
jack murphy
And they should have done a better job of that.
And it does make it hard to attract quality people and retain quality people if you're not going to protect them in this information scuffle.
But at least Don Jr.
and them going out big time was enough to just rally the troops and have everybody go, which no matter what the outcome, we have a nation worldwide open source intelligence operation underway, perhaps like nothing we've ever seen before.
Comparable to COVID, but you know, just in a presidential election, first time it's ever happened like this.
And you know what?
If everybody's working on it and they're all thinking about it, and the answer is that he has lost, I feel like everybody, knowing that they've spent all their powder, can accept that.
But not until then.
tim pool
I think at the very least, we have to try.
We have to make sure when accusations or allegations come up, we clear the air because we're hyperpolarized.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
So under normal circumstances, if it was like, you know, if it was 2016 and Hillary started screaming about the Russians, you know, it's like, okay, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll entertain this, you know, we'll look into it.
Then they went kind of nuts with it for several years.
And now I'm like, Hey, if you're going to do the Russian thing, we're going to do the vote fraud thing.
End of story.
But ultimately the point is if you're this polarized, the last thing you want to do is say, we refuse to listen to you do as we say and submit, because then people are going to be like, No.
There's a chance for cooperation.
All right, we heard you.
There may be some fraud.
We're going to treat this fairly.
We're going to do a recount and an audit to make sure that this is right.
And if you lost, accept it.
And that really will defang any aggression.
There will still be some people who are like, no.
But ultimately, that's what has to happen.
They're not doing that, though.
jack murphy
Right.
As Don Jr.
set the tone for their network, Charge.
Yeah.
Joe Biden sets the tone for his network saying Office of the President-Elect and just running with it and starting to float names for cabinets and etc.
So they're clearly not taking the approach of this is how it's supposed to be.
There's a period for legal challenges and even if that gets screwed up, hey, it's written down and agreed to that the state legislatures can slate whatever electors that they want basically.
So that's all normal.
It's unusual, but it's all legal.
It's all part of the system.
tim pool
I don't even think it's unusual.
It's that the media has created this perspective for a generation, where it's, we call the election.
Look at what the New York Times tweeted.
You see what the New York Times tweeted?
It's the job of the media to call a presidential election.
jack murphy
Yeah, I screencapped that immediately, knowing that they were going to delete that.
That was insane.
They're like, only the media declares the winner, and we're going to explain how.
Thread.
Like one slash X. And then it got deleted.
Real quick.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
That's a good one.
tim pool
This is normal, what's happening.
There's an election.
They're tallying the votes and they have not certified them.
But the media has created a perspective that it's supposed to be them who calls it and
when they do it's over!
That's how it's always been!
We're in charge!
Trump says, uh, we still have to tell certification.
The normal process is the process in the Constitution.
It is weird to me that we have a contested election, even if it looks like Trump is going to lose, and the media is saying, shut up and submit!
Stop saying this!
I look at CNN, they ran this video where they're like, right-wing individuals putting out misinformation that Trump could still win!
It's crazy because it has never been this obvious.
I feel like we're watching that cartoon character trying to plug the holes in a ship as the water is spraying through.
Dude, I don't know if Trump is going to win.
The votes are in Joe Biden's favor, but the normal process is legal challenges, and Trump has them.
So at the very least, you don't say Trump can't win.
Well, it's starting to change though.
Vox.com published an article saying, Um, well, it's not likely, but Trump could win these ways.
And then they list out like three different ways Trump could actually win through a normal legal process, not a coup.
jack murphy
Right.
I can't remember any time in my lifetime that the state legislatures have slated electors that didn't reflect the will of the people in their state.
Has that happened?
tim pool
I mean, if we go back to the 1800s, there's weird elections.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Like we talked about a little bit the other day.
So there's a really weird election where it was tied in the electoral college.
So they just appointed a council of Democrats, Republicans, judges and lawyers or whatever to just like convene and decide who the president would be.
jack murphy
Like a Pope thing.
tim pool
And that's what they did.
And that's what they did.
And they were like, all right, well, uh, here, we agree.
And actually it, the concession, I believe this ended, um, the reconstruction era because basically there was, they were on, they felt like they were on the verge of another civil war.
So they said, okay, okay.
How about the presidency goes to the Republican, but we'll give you a bunch of stuff.
And they said, fine.
And then that ended reconstruction, created a Democrat stronghold in the South for generations to come.
And then that like is ultimately what resolved this.
The interesting thing is, apparently, there's like an article, an article that says, you know, a Trump, a deal
Right.
with Trump to leave the White House.
Trump don't care.
You don't want it.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, uh, there there's rumors that there, you know, you'll be a king maker.
You can run packs.
You can do all these things once you leave.
And Trump's like, no, right.
I'm president.
jack murphy
Right.
And do you, do you think Tim truly that even if it goes all the way through all the courts and everything, and maybe it
even gets to the point where like a decision could be made by the Supreme court that would affect the
outcome and it still doesn't fall his way.
You think that when there's everything is exhausted, what's he going to do?
tim pool
Trump?
jack murphy
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
I do.
He'll bow out.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
He's too good of a person to screw things up like that, I think.
tim pool
I don't know.
jack murphy
I agree.
I don't think that he will stay on an extra judicious way.
tim pool
I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
unidentified
Illegally.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
There's an article from the Washington Post that says there's a massive behind-the-scenes effort to stop Trump right now.
As if we didn't know that, like, they've been doing this for years.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
The massive behind-the-scenes effort to stop Trump at every cost.
Now they're saying it was, I think Brennan said, Mike Pence must invoke Article Amendment 25 and remove Trump before he does something.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
All the way through.
Oh, please do!
Right, but they're worried Don jr. Tweeted declassify at all. So please do I
Right, right, right and they're freaking out because they've been trying to stop him at all costs. So here's the
question You look at Russia gate you look at Obama gate and you look
at these like this very clear and terrifying Instances the evidence that's come out so far. I wouldn't
say it's definitive proof like of a massive criminal conspiracy
But it's circumstantial evidence that we need probably a special prosecutor and a hard investigation
maybe, what was it, $27 million or whatever, to go through it.
You have these notes from the FBI saying, what's our goal?
To get Flynn fired or prosecuted.
You have the notes where they're talking about, you know, Joe Biden mentioning the Logan Act.
They're doing what they're doing right now.
What Biden is doing right now is a violation of the Logan Act.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
Joe Biden is contacting foreign governments saying he's the president and the election's not even over yet.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
We haven't even got a certification and he's calling foreign governments.
jack murphy
Okay.
Two things.
One, I've been seeing that clip from the debates where Wallace asked them both point blank, will you concede once the election has been certified?
Trump gives a long rambling answer, but in the middle he goes 100%.
But then he goes into this whole thing about dispute, anticipating this.
And at the very end, Wallace asked Biden the very same question, and Biden goes, absolutely.
That question was more like, will you wait to claim the presidency or whatever until certification is done?
And he said yes, and he's clearly not doing that now.
He's not.
tim pool
The fact that he's putting together a transition team, the fact that he said he doesn't need approval from the government to do what he's doing, they went after Michael Flynn for the Logan Act.
Well, they ultimately got him on lying.
jack murphy
But hold on, let's back up.
Earlier when we were off the air, you were mentioning the fact that Trump has instructed his, you know, cabinet chiefs and folks to prepare the budgets as if he's going to be president.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
That's the same thing as Biden off opening the office of the president elect.
They're just both now.
They're both moving forward as if they're going to be the victors.
Yeah.
tim pool
The difference is Trump is within his legal right to tell them, prepare your budgets for this coming season.
Arguably by their own standard, they argued Michael Flynn should not have been contacting Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, before Trump was inaugurated.
He was only acting national security advisor.
Therefore, for Joe Biden right now to be contacting foreign leaders and discussing, I guess what he did was he contacted the UK and said, don't screw up a peace deal with Ireland or something like that over Brexit.
Because now, I guess Ireland wants to go EU, something like that's going on.
And I'm immediately seeing people tweet out like, Biden just violated the Logan Act.
Lock him up.
jack murphy
I feel like they bring up the Logan Act every time there's a transition like this.
tim pool
And it's ridiculous because it's not really a violation.
We expect the president-elect and his administration to start preparing for, you know, entering office.
But they went after Trump in this way.
So anyway, I bring this up because if we're talking about a, I don't know what you'd call it, a conspiracy?
You know, since the beginning of the Trump administration to sabotage his administration and his presidency.
And now they're actively trying to do it again.
At what point do, like, here's the conundrum.
You look at the information we have available to us.
If you only read or watch mainstream news, then you believe everything's been fine.
Russiagate was fine.
It's too bad for Trump.
Oopsie.
And then, you know, Joe Biden wins the presidency.
But if you are paying attention to the bigger picture and you know about the Obamagate allegations and the evidence that's been released, and you can see that these people have been engaging in malicious activities for quite some time, at what point do you say what they are doing, what they are doing is the coup and not Trump?
jack murphy
Well, exactly.
And if you watch the plot against the president, a fantastic movie directed by Amanda Milius, a former Trump political appointee, daughter of John Milius, the director of Apocalypse Now, Red Dawn and a few others.
She laid out a very compelling story showing how the Democrats have been screwing with Trump this whole time, all the lies, all the plotting, all the scheming, all everything.
And if you see that and you watch it, and it's all based on documents that were submitted to Congress, right?
And testimony from people in Congress.
If you watch that, then there's absolutely no surprise to see or think if someone says, hey, do you think the Democrats might try to screw Trump?
Try to screw with the election.
It makes perfect sense.
But if you've never heard of any of that stuff.
tim pool
So we've been in, uh, yeah, if, if, if, if that's true and I, would you be, would you say it's true?
There was a plot against the president.
jack murphy
Absolutely.
tim pool
Then we have been in an information civil war since Trump got elected probably a little bit before.
ian crossland
What about Nixon?
I was, he was spying on people in the Watergate hotel with his political opponent.
unidentified
I don't know the specifics, but this is, this is so different.
tim pool
It's so different.
We're talking about.
ian crossland
Information war?
tim pool
Yeah, we're talking about the media lying non-stop.
ian crossland
Oh, this is the next level, yeah.
tim pool
Non-stop to convince people that it's Trump who did these things, but they've been disproven.
None of this stuff has actually stuck to the president.
ian crossland
And social media is suppressing, in some cases, the advert.
tim pool
Oh yes, like social media just banned People's Pundit and his wife.
That's incredible.
The fact that they're putting, it was Mark Levin, He tweeted, the electors are chosen by the state legislators who can choose Trump, and they flagged it as disputed.
That Twitter does not care about this country.
And it's really creepy when you have someone like Jack Dorsey say to me, he said, we are working for rules for a global audience.
Yeah, well, guess what, buddy?
We're an American country.
I understand that you have a global audience in the United States.
Your rules need to function as per how the United States operates in our norms.
They put out... I get emails all the time, you know, you have violated the law in, what is it, Pakistan or whatever?
You ever get one of those?
jack murphy
Yeah, all the time.
Yeah.
So they're not adopting, you know, to their laws there, but they should be adopting ones here.
They're American based, American Not even laws.
unidentified
Standards.
jack murphy
Free speech.
but just standards, free speech and accurately reflecting our legal realities. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim, I've been talking about the info war that we've been in for years now. And it's, you know,
every time I have somebody on the podcast, we dig through it. We talk about the evidence that's
there, how it impacts us, how to counteract it. It's everywhere.
And so when they've been talking about color revolutions, they've been talking, people have been talking about this, the slow motion train wreck that's been happening over years.
And they've been building up to this.
I wonder, I was thinking just recently, you remember how there was a wave of leftist talking heads going out into the media going, Trump will never leave the White House.
Trump will never leave the White House.
It was like all of a sudden, they all start talking about this is a while back.
It was like months and months and months ago, like Bill Maher and Andrew Sullivan, Michael Moore, you know, they must have gotten a memo in their little private circles to start talking about that because they want to start casting doubt over this whole process.
If they're going to try to, if they, if there's any thought to trying to steal the election, then what do you do in the beginning?
You already discredit what a rational person would do In the event of an actual, you know, coup, what would a rational person do?
I refuse to accept these results if they're tainted.
And so they already sort of like took away what the rational person's response would be in advance.
That's narrative battle.
That's information war.
So we're already thinking that that's a bad thing, but he might be doing the right thing when he does it.
tim pool
And they say, we told you this would happen.
You see what he's doing?
jack murphy
Exactly.
tim pool
So here's the thing.
Newsweek ran an article in July saying that Trump would lose.
He would claim voter fraud.
freeze up the certification process and then the the supreme court would kick it to house
delegations to to vote each state gets one vote there are more republican states than democrat
trump wins but what they do is solid plan if right now there was evidence of fraud and there's quite
a bit is it widespread i i don't think so will it change the outcome we have well we have to we have
to see it has to go to court has to be investigated right now the way to describe it is we're seeing
smoke and we're seeing smoke billowing and i'm going i'm like hey uh journalist guy you see that
And they're like, there's no smoke!
What are you talking about?
It's right there.
There's no smoke.
Clearly, you're wrong.
There's clearly no fire.
That's what they keep doing.
No evidence.
No evidence.
No matter how many, how many affidavits we get, they say there's no evidence.
But just real quick, the point is, Right now, are they expecting Trump to come out with a literal ballot and be like, look, I found evidence?
No, what happens is you have a witness say, I witnessed fraud.
Now we investigate to find hard evidence.
jack murphy
Indeed.
And it's happening.
The investigation is underway.
I interviewed a gentleman, Matt Brainerd, yesterday.
He's a former data chief for Trump for President, worked on the campaign in 2016, had a bunch of guys working with him right now that worked on the campaign.
And what they've done is they've bought data from all of the relevant electoral districts.
And they're checking against change of address databases, death databases, requested but not returned, absentee ballots, etc.
And they have found through buying this data and augmenting it and running their analysis, they have found 2 million potential incidences.
That would fall under these categories.
Not that they're fraud, but just like, this is their high risk category.
And now they have, they've farmed out call centers to call all 2 million people.
And they're, and yeah, they've raised a half a million dollars to do this.
And they're calling all 2 million people who are tagged in this to verify their vote.
And if they and they have already found people who said like, yeah, no, I didn't request
that ballot and no, I didn't vote in it or whatever.
And they are now then they get funneled off to being helped filing.
At first was affidavits, but now declarations.
tim pool
Whoa.
jack murphy
Yeah.
So Matt Brainerd, check it out.
I did an interview with him yesterday.
It's on my YouTube channel, Jack Murphy Live.
Check it out and donate some money if you would like.
And that is a really powerful thing that they're doing.
And one thing that you had said earlier about, you know, they say it's not widespread.
Well, first, I heard a funny joke that the new the new peaceful protest is the fraud isn't widespread.
No widespread fraud.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
jack murphy
But it doesn't matter to be widespread.
We were talking about this earlier.
This is what you guys missed while YouTube was down.
We're talking about saying widespread fraud is like talking about the popular vote.
It doesn't matter.
The Electoral College is a targeted contest, and so your cheating would be thus done in a targeted fashion in the key areas.
Otherwise, you set off flags all over the place.
It's hard to accept that there could be a conspiracy of people determined to overthrow the will of the American people, etc., etc.
It's hard to swallow.
It's possible.
All I know is for sure is I want this process to play out.
ian crossland
What I see is smoke.
And then I see a CIA computer program that's built to set fire.
And that drives me nuts because I can't prove that hammer and scorecard are being used to flip boats all around the country, but there are people testifying that they are.
tim pool
No, I don't think anyone's testified to that.
ian crossland
What's her name?
Or maybe not testify is not the right word.
jack murphy
Sidney Powell can not testify.
ian crossland
They're starting to make statements that this software, maybe they say it could be... You're looking in the wrong direction.
tim pool
They're tricking you.
They are getting you to fall into their trap by talking about things you cannot prove.
ian crossland
I can't prove it.
tim pool
We can prove that in Nevada a poll worker said, I saw fraud and I swear under oath.
ian crossland
So you think it's a...
Red herring is not the right word, but just the wrong thing to focus on.
Red herring.
tim pool
Absolute red herring.
ian crossland
Well, it might be right.
It might not be the wrong.
tim pool
The point is, whenever we, this is the key aspect of the pit trap and conspiracy theories is dangling something sensational that can't be proven so that everyone looks in the wrong direction and they get away with it.
ian crossland
I'm going to drill that home to anyone listening.
I think that's super important because a lot of people really want to go hard on this.
tim pool
Exactly.
It's a trick.
They do it all the time.
You get these emails from Wikileaks, and it's got this weird language in it.
And someone drops in a bucket of red meat of ridiculous sensationalist claims, and boom!
You get a lunatic fringe conspiracy theory about satanic death cults operating, and it throws off what's actually going on.
Blackmail networks, criminal enterprise, there's legitimate reality that you could find in these emails, but they trick people into chasing after things you can't prove or verify.
So now you've got all these people tweeting at me, Tim, hammer and scorecard!
And I'm like, nothing I could ever prove, nothing you could look it up, nothing you could verify.
You got one guy who said, a former general, saying it's true.
I'll tell you what I am focused on.
We've got now, I think, what, three poll workers signing sworn affidavits saying we saw fraud.
You've got Donald Trump filing a lawsuit having nothing to do with fraud, arguing that there's impropriety under the 14th Amendment.
These are tangible things.
You can actually say that happened.
ian crossland
What's the Trump 14th Amendment thing?
tim pool
The 14th Amendment is that everyone needs to be treated equally under the law.
Simple way to describe it.
Under Bush v. Gore, they ruled all votes must be treated equally.
But mail-in ballots are completely different from in-person voting.
When a person goes to vote in person, they go through an entirely different process.
The argument there on the surface is you've created two tracks of unequal voting.
There's different security measures.
There's different... So if you go in and vote in person and you mess up, too bad.
But if you vote by mail and you mess up, they allow you to cure your ballot.
That is not equal treatment under the law.
Now, initially when it came to absentee ballots, it was for military voters.
So this made sense.
We made an exception.
We got people overseas.
We can't bring them back.
We're gonna do something.
And it's a special exemption that we all agree makes sense.
But universal mail-in voting, which specifically would cause an issue in Nevada, for instance, which Trump could use for sure, Is that they just mailed them all out?
And it's a swing state.
And now you can argue that a person who votes in person chooses to get up and seek out the vote.
A mail-in ballot arrives at their house without their choice.
Not the same thing.
There's a fundamental difference.
Just right there.
But there's a bunch of other things they're pointing out, too.
Within the same citation, Bush v. Gore, they're saying, in this district, they said, you can cure your ballot.
We found your ballot was missing an address or signature, so we contact you and say fix it.
But in this district, they didn't do that.
Therefore, they've created an imbalance and votes being treated unequally.
That's Trump's actual lawsuit in Pennsylvania.
Michigan, it's broad, but again, the same argument is being made.
While all of these people are screaming about conspiracies and fraud and the media saying no fraud, Trump's over here filing lawsuits on process.
So that's gonna be the first, and this is what Vox is talking about this, like they're finally now coming out, people in media and leftist media saying, this is a real path for Trump to win.
It has nothing to do with these vote tally conspiracies or anomalous numbers.
I've talked about Benford's law.
I've talked about how the vote totals changed, but you can't prove anything.
And they're easily dismissed by saying, typo.
You say all of these are typos?
Well, yeah, you have 200, you know, million registered voters.
We have 150 million votes.
You're gonna find, you know, a few hundred instances of typos.
jack murphy
Irregularities.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Well, there's gonna be a margin of failure with millions of people trying to tally these votes.
Okay, fine.
Then let's talk about process and the sworn affidavits and the USPS whistleblower and the weird news coming around there.
You bring up hammer and scorecard and vote flipping, you'll never prove it.
And you're not going to convince an investigator or a judge or anyone to be like, we need to investigate this for this reason, for hammer and scorecard.
But if you go up to them and say, in this Michigan County, 6,000 votes accidentally glitched and went to the Democrats and the Republican, Trump is using that as a pretext for a legal challenge on all of these different machines in Michigan.
And they're going to file lawsuits across the board because of it.
You've got to start with something you can prove.
A glitch happened.
We have testimony.
Sworn affidavit.
It flipped, and a Republican even ended up winning.
It was like a commissioner of some sort.
He said, I was out.
I wasn't going to call for a recount.
Then they called him.
Actually, he won by a thousand votes.
He went, oh, I didn't realize.
That right there happened, which is grounds whether the courts agree.
Here's what I imagine is going to happen.
Trump's going to file the suit at the state level.
He's going to say, look at this glitch.
I want all of these to be hand counted.
The judge will probably say no.
Then they'll file in federal court.
And then we'll see what the federal circuits say.
And we've already seen Alito side with Trump in Pennsylvania.
There was a 4-4 ruling, because Amy Coney Barrett wasn't on the Supreme Court at the time, that said, I believe they couldn't decide whether to allow Pennsylvania to extend their mail-in ballot deadline.
That right there is a violation of the 14th Amendment.
The fact that if you want to vote in person, you can only vote on the 3rd, but if you want to vote by mail, you can mail in your ballot after the fact?
That is a special, that is unequal votes.
ian crossland
That's messed up because you can see what the vote is, the current vote, and be like, oh, well, since my vote's gonna change things, I'm gonna go vote.
Hey, every other 10,000 guys, let's go change the election.
tim pool
So this is why we have the backdating scandal with the USPS whistleblower, because according to this whistleblower that came out through Veritas, who signed a sworn affidavit, and this story's crazy, when the ballots were being collected after election day, He said he overheard them saying they were backdating them to bypass the fact that these ballots were not applicable.
So what ends up happening now is, if that's true, a bunch of the ballots that got counted after Election Day actually were from after the election, which would create a 14th Amendment violation under Bush v. Gore.
I'm not a lawyer.
This is just the cursory reading I did of their argument.
And I asked a lawyer and they said, long shot, but possible.
That right there is, did Pennsylvania violate a court order by tabulating ballots without observers?
Fact.
There were observers in the building, but they weren't granted the access the courts demanded.
They counted, according to Giuliani, 450,000 votes when people were being blocked from actually getting within six feet to observe the tabulation.
Those votes, according to Giuliani, should be disqualified.
And Trump tweeted about this.
And this is a very, very serious challenge right now.
Because think about it.
There's no solution here.
There's no good solution.
It's my side wins or your side wins.
But if a court says you must allow the observers within six feet and you say no and count 450,000 bouts, secrecy envelope pulled off, discarded, you can no longer verify any of those bouts are real.
ian crossland
You should also file a class action suit for the people that get those votes disqualified against the people that did that tally improperly.
That's a lot of waste of time and civil liberty and energy.
tim pool
I think what your dude was talking about is the first path.
Figure out who these votes were from, because this period where they were counting in violation of the court order, those are the names we need to check.
Because the accusation is, they were probably fake ballots or something.
Okay, well that's easily verifiable.
Take the ballots, they're no longer verifiable because a secrecy envelope has been discarded already.
Or destroyed or whatever, but you can see the name of the person, contact them and say, did you cast this mail-in ballot?
And if we get a decent amount of people saying no, well then you got a serious problem.
So, that's step one.
I don't know if we'll get to that point, and I'll tell you, there is something really creepy about Democrats suing to block this.
The ACLU just filed a lawsuit to stop Trump from challenging these ballots.
So think about what that means.
That means in the future, a court can order it is a violation of the law to do what you're doing and they can say, too bad.
Too bad.
We're allowed to do it.
No integrity, no election security, we're allowed to do it.
jack murphy
This is what ACLU is arguing, basically.
tim pool
The ACLU is arguing that these ballots should count, even though they violated the court order.
jack murphy
Right.
I haven't seen the full paperwork write-up, but they tweeted... Don't trust a single word you hear from ACLU, man.
They lost it years ago.
When I got doxxed, And I got fired for what I had written.
I was contacted by the DC head of legal for ACLU.
He says, I want to take your case.
I want to take your case.
I want to help you.
They violated your first amendment, right?
He worked with me for months.
We wrote a paper.
We did research.
We got everything all the way through.
He took it to his legal committee.
They declined it.
He took it to the head committee.
They declined it also.
And the reason why they declined it, despite the fact the legal director of the ACLU said it was a clear violation of my First Amendment rights, because they didn't want to offend their coalition partners, such as Human Rights Campaign, Black Lives Matter.
Exactly.
Now, on what you're talking about here, I think one thing that we've learned about how to get at your enemies and how to win, what did they do to Mike Flynn?
They didn't get Mike Flynn on any real crimes.
What did they get Mike Flynn on?
Process crimes.
Everybody makes mistakes in process.
So, it makes some good sense, actually, to attack the election from a process standpoint.
So, it will be interesting to see how that plays out, man.
I'm not a lawyer, and the question that I want to have answered, especially after I talked to Matt Brainerd yesterday, is let's say that there are, you know, five people in every important district that come forth with a sworn affidavit saying their vote was, you know, somehow invalidated or fraud or there's something going on there.
What then?
How many instances do there have to be?
And then what is the recourse?
You know, what if everybody says, okay, yeah, we swear that we saw this fraud happening.
We saw this happening.
What do they do?
They do a re-vote?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Why not?
jack murphy
They have to do it by December 11th.
December 11th.
tim pool
December 14th is the Electoral College vote.
jack murphy
There you go.
Boom.
tim pool
Yeah, so make an amendment when two-thirds of the states ratify it in two or three years.
The amendment process in this country, it took a really long time.
I think it was the 17th amendment, it was like seven or eight years before they actually fully implemented it, after it was already ratified by all these different states.
ian crossland
So if the vote's fraudulent, or we can't do a revote?
tim pool
No.
It goes to the House.
There's a process for this.
ian crossland
Oh, they just decide.
jack murphy
It's already been decided in advance.
When you enter in the rules of the game, the rules of the game say, in the event of this... House delegations vote.
tim pool
So, there's a bunch of other really weird things about, like, it could potentially go to Kamala Harris.
There's one provision.
I haven't read enough about it.
Dude, okay, I tweeted out a couple years ago, I said very clearly, Kamala Harris will never be president.
president-elect or something. I don't know the full details on it, but yeah, maybe Kamala
Harris. I don't know.
jack murphy
Dude, okay. I tweeted out a couple years ago. I said very clearly, Kamala Harris will never
be president.
Kamala.
unidentified
I know. I knew you were going to stop me.
tim pool
It's what they said, right?
jack murphy
Kamala Harris will never be president.
And now that I've said it, it's out there.
People screen cap it.
Fine.
I think about deleting that tweet all the time.
ian crossland
And it's like, it's good.
jack murphy
It's going to go down.
It could go down as the worst take in my entire life.
There's no avoiding it ever.
tim pool
Look, truant on a shop at a pressure.
jack murphy
No, exactly.
tim pool
Buttercath care.
Exactly.
I can't.
jack murphy
Exactly.
tim pool
We're already seeing people are looking at the election without actual evidence.
And they're like, I don't believe this.
And I think that's scary.
Seeing tweets from like Tariq Nasheed.
You see what he's talking about?
You know who he is, right?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, this is a finesse.
He's like, I'm not a Trump supporter, but there's no way.
Come on.
He's like, how could Joe Biden beat Barack Obama's, you know, record by like 10 million or by like 7 million votes or whatever?
Oh, it's 8 million now.
unidentified
Joe Biden beat Barack Obama by 8 million votes!
tim pool
So you've got people who love Obama, and they're saying, B.S.
No way.
No way you beat Obama.
I'm not saying Joe Biden couldn't.
People hate Trump.
I think it makes sense, and I think, right now, this is what Vox said.
It's really funny they're starting to write these articles because they're not free.
These writers are not free to tell you what's really going on.
They're worried about offending their audience.
They're worried about what their bosses will say.
I got nothing to worry about.
I mean, I'm worried about, you know, if we swear too much, an unnecessary de-ranking of content.
But I'll talk about all this stuff even if it risks me getting banned or whatever.
I don't have to go check with my boss.
I can say straight up.
There is a slim possibility that Donald Trump pulls this off based on the arguments we're hearing, the amount of states he'd have to flip.
But if he gets a 14th Amendment argument to the Supreme Court and it works, it would nullify many mail-in ballots in a ton of states, and that would probably seal the deal.
jack murphy
Well, we saw what happened Tuesday night versus Wednesday morning.
That would seal the deal, right?
tim pool
Right, exactly.
Wow.
unidentified
Landslide, then.
tim pool
Many of these are absentee.
The issue is, Will the Supreme Court agree? Now, I don't know. What I do
know is that there are three members of the Supreme Court who helped George Bush win in 2000.
Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.
And that, when I heard that, I, I, someone super chatted it and I was like, no way.
Yep.
There's no way Trump appointed two of the Bush lawyers.
He did.
jack murphy
And then get this, Clarence Thomas, you think he's got a bone to pick with Joe Biden?
tim pool
Oh man, go back to the 90s and watch those videos if you haven't seen it.
jack murphy
Dude, disgusting.
tim pool
Do you see what Clarence Thomas said to Joe Biden in the 90s?
I can't repeat what he said.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
He said it was, I'll give you the gist, he said it was a, what did he call it?
jack murphy
A high-tech lynching.
tim pool
A high-tech lynching.
jack murphy
Cyber lynching, something like that.
unidentified
For uppity blacks.
tim pool
Not cyber, yeah.
Yep, because- Who said that to who?
ian crossland
Clarence Thomas?
tim pool
Clarence Thomas, when they were accusing him of, what was it, like sexual assault or something?
jack murphy
Yep.
Harassment.
tim pool
Harassment.
He was nominated for the Supreme Court, and they ran him through the coals, accusing him of being this harasser, and he said it was essentially a lynching to stop uppity blacks.
That's what Clarence Thomas said.
And so now there's a meme going around of Clarence Thomas with his eyes glowing, and it says, I've been waiting 30 years for this moment, Joe.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
I believe that would impugn the honor of Clarence Thomas though.
I think he can rule impartially and set aside.
He can rule on the merits.
jack murphy
What about Kavanaugh?
You don't think he's got a bone to pick, dude?
With guess who?
Kay Harris.
tim pool
Kamala Harris.
jack murphy
She was one of the worst in those hearings.
I watched every second.
tim pool
And he was on the verge of tears.
jack murphy
Riveted.
I was crying in my house, on my couch, watching him.
It was mostly when he started talking about how he couldn't coach his girls, his daughter's basketball team anymore because of all this nonsense.
And I had recently just lost my little league with my son, so it really hit home for me.
But I'll never forget that moment because that's when I really saw evil, evil.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
And I saw and I saw the language of radical feminism and intersectionality and critical race theory all coming out of the mouths of these senators at a hearing for a Supreme Court justice.
And that was the moment that I knew that the culture war that I had been observing for 10 years was not just some crazy tinfoil thing.
It had made it all the way into judiciary hearings like confirmation of the of the Supreme Court justice.
And it was just terrifying to me.
So if anybody remembers how much of a B.
K.
Harris can be that is Brett Kavanaugh.
tim pool
I think you just need to remember the face that Brett Kavanaugh had made when he was
nearly in tears and his wife was was was nearly in tears watching it happen.
This is a guy who was already vetted to be on the courts.
When he became a federal judge, they vetted him.
They were going through it again.
They were digging through his yearbook.
They were digging through his calendar from high school.
You drink beer?
What does that mean?
And they were berating him and implying on TV that he was part of a group that would line up outside of bedrooms and drug women and take turns, if you know what I mean.
And that is insane.
The accusations.
The people banging on the door, screaming.
I gotta be honest.
I think after 30 years, maybe Clarence Thomas is like, ah, it's been 30 years.
Brett Kavanaugh's like, that was a year and a half ago.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
It was two years ago.
ian crossland
I think whatever happens, they're gonna stick to the letter of the law.
Like, and if that means that Trump has them on a technicality, I think they'll rule in Trump's favor.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I agree.
It's not so much about a technicality.
Interestingly, we're seeing the media's desperate attempt to sweep this under the rug.
There was a tweet from some journalists saying Trump flat-out admits it or something.
And it's a transcript from one of the lawsuits where they were like, the judge asked them point-blank if they were fraud and they said no.
And then all these lefties are high-fiving each other.
That's an attempt to trick people into thinking Trump's lying.
The lawsuit was about improper ballots, not fraud.
So the judge said, I'm asking you right now, was there fraud?
And the lawyer said, to my knowledge, no.
ian crossland
They're trying to make it seem like- The second part of that was confusing because it said, is there impropriety in the voting?
And it also said no.
tim pool
Right, because what he's arguing is, these people made a mistake, their ballots don't count.
And so the point I'm bringing up is, technicalities, it doesn't matter if it's a technicality, what matters is, the argument from the lawyer was, it's in the legal code, we must adhere to the legal code.
You're gonna hear a different opinion from different people as to why it's in the legal code, it doesn't matter, it's in there for a reason.
ian crossland
Is he arguing A?
No.
Is he arguing B?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
And then they stop, but what he was arguing was C.
It was also a problem.
They just didn't even ask him about if that's what he was doing.
tim pool
No, no, no.
You must have missed the page of the transcript.
He says it.
He says it's in the code.
ian crossland
I did miss the page, yeah.
tim pool
He says it's in the code, and for whatever reason, we can speculate, it's in the code.
He basically said, you can ask me why it's there, you can ask me why I think this violation warrants a disqualification, and it's irrelevant.
The law says, without this, disqualified.
And he's correct.
It's not up to us to determine the intent.
It's like, here's the law.
Here's what it says about the ballots and how they're supposed to be processed.
If you don't do it, the ballot doesn't count as a ballot.
ian crossland
So fraud's a specific legal term.
tim pool
Oh yeah, fraud is deception.
We're talking about people who didn't put their addresses on the ballots.
So the ballots are trash.
ian crossland
Okay, yeah, that's what that particular case is about.
Where I'm at is plug in a couple holes of the dam.
I think that's what side I'm on in the metaphor, but I'm not going to stand there and get blasted by a rush of water.
If it looks like it's not going to work, I'm not going to keep screaming to make sure Biden fails and that we got to go after hammer and screw.
We got to find.
I'm just going to say if it doesn't work, I'm bowing out and I'm focusing on the solution for the next election, which I think is online.
tim pool
There won't be a next election.
ian crossland
Oh, there'll be another election.
tim pool
But, listen.
If... If they can legally violate a court... If they can violate a court order and get away with it, you think someone's gonna be able to win legitimately next time?
ian crossland
If... If they... If... Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
How?
ian crossland
Well, legitimate's a loaded term right now.
tim pool
They violated a court order.
ian crossland
Firstly, that is a big if.
If they pull off some nonsense, that's a big problem.
tim pool
So right now, Let's say that Trump goes to court and says, they violated the court order and counted these ballots, and now because they've already been removed from the envelopes, we can't reverse the process and observe.
ian crossland
So you think if the letter, if the law is upheld right now, that Trump will win?
tim pool
I don't know.
Like, are you saying that if- From what you see of the situation- You're saying that the court order- Yeah, from what you see of- If the court agrees with Trump.
So here's the problem.
First of all, assuming it's true they counted 450,000 ballots.
That's the statement from the legal team.
Just because they filed a lawsuit doesn't mean that's what happened.
Assuming that's the case, we do know what's true is they counted without observers being able to watch within the distance the court said.
ian crossland
That's confirmed.
tim pool
Because there's videos of people there with binoculars saying they won't let us pass this barricade and they're a hundred feet from us.
The court said six.
We don't know what the number is.
Here's the problem.
If the court says, we don't care they violated the court order, these ballots are good, you incentivize legit fraud.
Because now everyone's like, we could shuffle in a bunch of boxes and count them, and they won't do anything about it?
Done.
If they do stop it, there's also a problem.
If they say these ballots are spoiled, then you could create a situation where you trick people into destroying ballots on accident.
ian crossland
How would you do that?
tim pool
So, you get people to open the ballots without an observer, then you file a suit saying, you see what I mean?
That one's more circuitous.
So ultimately I err on the side of, if the ballots were counted in violation of a court order, you can't count them.
You can't.
We have a security process and a legal observation process, a public observation process for a reason.
Individuals can walk in and watch because we want to make sure there's integrity and we're being honest.
If somebody is doing something in secret when it's supposed to be for the public, the public has a right to know what they're doing with our resources.
We have FOIA, right?
The Freedom of Information Act.
We can request the government give us documents on things, and then they argue why they should or shouldn't, and then they redact stuff, and then they give it out.
When it comes to our elections, we need to know that we can watch publicly.
That's what I was suggesting earlier.
Maybe the vote tallies appear online.
The only problem with that is you need an internet connection on these machines and that could be, you know, problematic.
But I think a lot of the data was published online in increments from various outlets.
Ultimately, what I'm saying is, we wouldn't need observers if as soon as someone put the ballot in, it appeared.
unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
Like, here's the vote, here's the person, here's what it's for.
The problem is, Ballots are secret, you know, for a reason.
People wouldn't vote for Trump if ballots were public.
They'd be terrified.
Everyone would find out, so they won't do it.
ian crossland
It'd be nice if you didn't see what the vote was for, but all the information was public, like the social security number was public.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Everyone's social security's public.
It's like just your dog tag.
It doesn't matter if people know what your number is.
tim pool
You know LifeLock?
jack murphy
Yeah, like identity theft.
tim pool
He did that commercial where he had a truck driving with his social security number on it, and he was like, I'm safe.
And then he got his identity stolen like 14 times.
Because you're not.
You can't publish social security.
ian crossland
No one is going to be able to keep their social security number secret in this world.
It's too easy to get.
We might as well just use them.
Or build a new type of number that we can use for that.
tim pool
Some criminals can figure out your social security number, so we might as well publish everyone's information.
ian crossland
Well, we've got to use a personal ID code.
Along with a barcode that shows who you voted for and only you can scan that barcode.
tim pool
Or we just redact everything but who the vote was for.
jack murphy
Ian actually makes a good point here in that all information will become known eventually.
Like our network, the whole way that our society is going, all information is going to end up being public, right?
You can't rely on anonymity.
You can't rely on things being said in secret.
You know, if you're secure enough now, you should start preparing yourself for the idea that all information is going to be publicly known.
They may not be now, but it's coming.
ian crossland
Use a password manager.
Bitwarden is a good one.
It's, it's open source software and it's keeps your encrypted password.
You need a master password to log into it.
It's better than keeping your passwords on like your browser.
tim pool
Let's kick this conversation up to the next level.
jack murphy
Oh my God.
unidentified
Here we go.
tim pool
Trump fires defense secretary in post-election reckoning after policy splits.
He didn't just get rid of Defense Secretary Mark Esper, he got rid of like the top brass of the Pentagon.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
And you know what the, you know what these leftists are saying and journalists are saying?
This is him stacking the deck with loyalists as he plans a coup.
And I gotta say, I don't know why Trump would fire these people a few months before he's supposed to vacate,
assuming he loses.
Maybe he's just operating assuming he's going to win, but the rumor was he was going to fire them after he got reelected.
He's doing it during what may end up being a lame duck session, which makes me wonder about what might happen and why he needs to get rid of people who may be, you know, he may have issues with.
jack murphy
I'm not ready to go there, but I will admit that in reading about the terminations and about some of the personnel placement that's been put over at the Pentagon in varying positions of power, chief of staff, some others, knowing that there's some real hardcore Trump loyalists being placed over at Defense Department.
It did make me wonder just why.
Now, one of the first questions I come to mind is like, is there any precedent?
Has an outgoing president had a change of house and leadership at the end of the term?
Maybe there's some reason for it.
I don't know.
I bet there's a reason.
But just thinking about some of the people who were placed over there and it just makes you wonder.
tim pool
Who did he place?
jack murphy
He placed Kash Patel.
tim pool
Who's that?
jack murphy
Kash Patel worked with Devin Nunes during the Russiagate phenomenon, you know, scandal.
And he was present in the House hearings, I believe, and was there.
And witness the evidence in the testimony that was presented and all the guys coming in and they all said to him, you know, to the hearing that there's no evidence of any collusion or whatever.
And then he, you know, was part of sort of the whistleblowing process and the Nunes memo that came out and all of that.
And so.
He definitely been putting in a lot of hard work on behalf of the Republic.
Let's not forget.
This is not it's not like a Trump loyalist that went and did something that was wrong.
No, he's unearthing information about wrongdoing done by the Democratic Party.
So he's working on behalf of the citizens United States people have voted Donald Trump in office and anyone who respects the rule of law in America.
That said, he's a proven, you know, Trump loyalist, and he's been placed over a chief of staff of some high up office at the Defense Department.
Now, I have no idea why, and I know there's people in my network that are probably mad that I'm talking about this.
I don't know.
I have questions.
It's publicly available information.
It's not like I'm revealing anything.
But you do have to wonder why.
I'm going to go with that there's a real normal procedural issue around this.
ian crossland
I got some questions about the Pentagon.
So are they in control of the FBI and the CIA?
jack murphy
That's the Department of Justice.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the Department of Defense.
I think that he was upset with the way that the Pentagon handled this voting thing and believes that there's all sorts of impropriety and fraud.
tim pool
This is the Department of Defense.
This is like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Okay, so maybe I'm wrong.
tim pool
So the DOJ is handling the vote fraud stuff and the top DOJ guy resigned when Bill Barr issued a memo on investigating vote fraud claims.
So, the Pentagon is defense.
So now they're saying, like, Trump is gonna make a move in Iran or something like that.
I don't know what he's doing.
But, uh... There's no way he would do that.
Does it sound like counting heads?
jack murphy
Counting heads for what?
Like, who's with me, who's not?
tim pool
Yeah, so in a civil war or a coup... Oh, geez, yeah, he wants the Department of Defense on his side.
Before the civil war breaks out, the top leaders of each faction start counting heads.
Which departments do I have?
Matt Taibbi wrote about this in October.
The counting heads phase is when you've got the commander general or whatever who's like, I'm gonna take over, and you got the president, and they start calculating, what do I have?
I have the Department of Defense, I have the chief of police, I don't have the FBI, to figure out where their loyalists are and what assets they have in the event of a coup, civil war, whatever.
ian crossland
But also you said he was going to fire these people anyway.
tim pool
The rumor was, once he got reelected, he was going to fire Gina Haspel, Chris Wray of the FBI.
What was Haspel?
She was NSA?
jack murphy
I don't recall.
I know that Christopher Wray has to go, though.
tim pool
Yeah, he was the FBI.
And then Esper, he was the Defense Secretary, was he?
jack murphy
Yeah.
Christopher Wray is the one who's got his head up his own butt about white supremacy being the most dangerous domestic threat that we face.
Like, get out of town, buddy.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
It's climate change, isn't it?
I'm just kidding.
Isn't it a giant asteroid?
jack murphy
Pajama man.
tim pool
Haspel is CIA.
She was the head of the CIA.
ian crossland
So he's just got rid of these people anyway before it becomes official, if it does, that Biden is president-elect.
He doesn't want to do it after that because it's going to look really shady.
So I think he's just getting it out of the way.
tim pool
What do you mean?
If Donald Trump lost, then his only opportunity is to do it right now.
ian crossland
I'm sorry.
tim pool
If Donald Trump loses the election, the results are in for Biden.
If Donald Trump doesn't get certified the winner, his only opportunity to remove Haspel, Esper, and Wray is right now.
ian crossland
Before January 4th.
tim pool
Well, I guess, okay, he could wait until January 4th, I suppose.
ian crossland
Yeah, and he would look like a criminal if he was doing it after the vote tally was already in Biden's favor.
tim pool
Oh, I see, I see, I see.
You mean after January 14th.
I mean, I'm sorry, December 14th.
ian crossland
December 14th, yeah.
tim pool
After the certification process.
ian crossland
So just get it out of the way, is what it seems like.
tim pool
Maybe.
But then, what, they could rehire him if they want?
ian crossland
I know.
And they will.
tim pool
They would.
But Trump replaced them with loyalists.
So that's a different question.
ian crossland
Dude, because Trump's a megalomaniac.
jack murphy
What Trump's problem is, the biggest number one problem, aside from whatever his personality issues may be, is his personnel and hiring decisions.
Number one problem.
ian crossland
John Bolton!
tim pool
What was he thinking?
jack murphy
No, I'm not even talking about that.
I'm talking about the thousands of political appointees, the staffers here and there and there, and just the people who are in the White House or in West Wing who are like MAGA for real, like who are down with the cause and volunteered on the campaign and part of the network that launched Trump into power.
They are you can like count them on a short list and they are Isolated and they've been fighting and battling the bureaucracy and they call it the deep state same thing People that didn't want to see their agenda get pushed through whether they're leftover Democrats or GOP Establishment people or just milquetoast conservatives that weren't ready for right, you know Right-side revolution that Trump represented and he's been fighting that all along number one criticism.
Everybody's made it of him is the personnel There's no question about it And uh, you know, if only he would have just fired people that he didn't think were doing what he wanted a long time ago.
And just put the right people in a place for him to jump and stood up for Flynn and all.
tim pool
He was jammed up in the beginning though.
With Russiagate.
He couldn't fire half these people.
And I wonder, you know...
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
tim pool
Indeed.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Who we would have hired, who we would have fired.
Yep.
I certainly think he would have fired Comey and a bunch of people immediately.
But they, they argued that would have been obstruction of justice.
And then when he did, they launched the investigation against
him to stop him from doing this.
The Russiagate stuff was looming before we had a special prosecutor.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
Then they retaliated because it was, he fired Comey and that
sparked the start of it, right?
jack murphy
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
Then Comey was like, I remember Trump said this and I wrote it down.
And it's like, that's not proof.
He said it like, that's crazy.
jack murphy
I just wrote it down.
But you know, I hate to say it, but you kind of have to hand it to the Democrats, man.
They have run, I mean, a really hard campaign.
They lost the election.
They weren't going to stand for it.
They were going to prevent Trump from doing whatever Trump wanted.
They've been fighting and fighting and fighting dirty and fighting consistently, and they have not given up, and they're still not giving up, and they're still pushing on.
I mean, they have some stamina.
There's no question.
tim pool
Well, it's the media.
They have the media on their side.
They have establishment media saying everything.
I mean, even Daily Mail, they wrote an article about the 234 pages of testimony and statements from these witnesses.
And the way the Daily Mail framed it was remarkable.
It was like they took the worst of the accusations and made a joke out of it.
They took the silliest, ignoring the worst.
So I'm seeing a bunch of leftists on Twitter do this.
And it's probably because they're dumb and they just want to rile up their base.
But they're saying things like, this guy is arguing that the military shouldn't vote for Biden.
In one statement, the guy says, I saw a military ballot that was for Biden.
That struck me as odd.
And they're laughing at him like, what an idiot!
Then you have one where a woman says my son's been dead for eight years but somehow he's listed as voting in the
election twice.
They ignore that one.
And that's in what the RNC has released or what Trump can't pay or whoever has released in 234 pages.
The RNC says they have 11,000 people who have come forward with claims of fraud.
Do we just say we ignore 11,000?
Or is the RNC lying?
What do you do when the second biggest political party in this country says we have 11,000 people coming forward?
This is not some random tinfoil hat guy yelling there was fraud in the election.
This is literally the second biggest political party in the country saying we have evidence, we have witnesses.
jack murphy
You have to honor it.
tim pool
For sure, for sure.
But I mean, beyond that, it says something truly terrifying about the direction we're
headed.
Like, as if the Republicans win this, and it turns out there was fraud and the Democrats
cheated, the Democrats are going to be like, oh, you got us.
Good game, everybody.
We'll play again next time.
No, what are they going to do if they get caught and they actually did something?
What are the Republicans going to do if it turns out they were lying the whole time and
there was no evidence and they're just trying to scam the election?
Either outcome is terrifying.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I mean, look, I do remember seeing a collection of clips from Fox News.
I think they were talking about the Stacey Abrams thing a couple years ago.
Fox News all saying all the same things today about challenging this and challenging that.
Or no, it was like, why are you challenging?
Just accept it.
Everybody will say whatever they need to say to get their guy in the power.
There's no question about it.
But if we can go the hard data analytic route with hard evidence, narrow down the mass pool of votes, narrow it down to people that have circumstances that are questionable, Narrow that down, narrow it down, narrow it down, and then you're going to find, you will find instances of fraud and malfeasance.
There's no question about it.
But we, it's like, we live in a country that's so big now that little instances of violence here and there, when they get put up on social media, it makes it look like there's violence everywhere.
It makes it look like all the cities in every state are all burning down to the ground.
Makes it look like all the whole city of Minneapolis is burned to the ground, but it's not.
Or in D.C.
that they're rioting all over the whole city, but they're not.
It's a lot, it's frequent, it's damaging, it's bad, but it's not everywhere.
So I imagine with this is the same thing, all large numbers here, where like, hey, there's so many people voting.
What are we up to, 140 million or something by now?
tim pool
Almost 150.
jack murphy
Almost 150 million people.
What if like 0.001% of them are screwy?
That's still a ton.
unidentified
It's still a ton.
jack murphy
It's fewer than that.
You can find thousands and thousands of instances, even, I think, probably in any circumstance.
It doesn't mean it was okay back then.
And it's definitely not okay now.
And this is a good chance as any.
You know, if the Democrats had any real gumption, or if they were actually dedicated to the United States of America, they would say, well, you know, One good thing is going to come out of Donald Trump.
We are going to really once and for all get to the bottom of potential election fraud, election malfeasance.
We're going to get this system tightened up and we're not going to let this crap happen again in the future.
But they're not saying that.
tim pool
No, they're saying stop.
Don't look.
jack murphy
Don't look.
That's the worst sign.
That is the worst sign that they have absolutely no basis in value.
tim pool
Democrat.
Partisanship.
Democrats. Prefacing all of this with partisanship. I've said it over and over. This is what I brought
up about what Vox was saying. Everything right now is on track for Joe Biden to be certified,
inaugurated, all that stuff. These lawsuits have not had any traction to the point where
we could say something might change.
As it stands now, we all kind of expect it's going to be Joe Biden.
That being said, what if, you know, with Trump changing, just for entertaining the conversation, not like I think it's a lottery tickets chance, if at all.
What happens if Trump doesn't leave and he gets rid of these, you know, different heads of different departments, puts in loyalists, and then come, you know, the 14th or whatever, he says no?
ian crossland
They'll be writing about it for a thousand years.
tim pool
You'll have 77 million leftists or whatever saying Trump is the dictator who's trying to stage a coup.
You'll have all the Trump supporters saying, you know, no Trump is stopping them from staging a coup.
This is how it goes when there's a civil war or a coup.
Both sides accuse each other of being the villain, stealing the power.
jack murphy
Yes.
ian crossland
You need to dispel partisan politics.
jack murphy
And good luck, dude.
ian crossland
That's the only way.
This is ridiculous that people want to be in a tribe.
They want to be in a group.
jack murphy
They knew that this was going to happen back when they were writing the damn Constitution, man.
Factions.
ian crossland
Yeah, really.
And George Washington would, if he was running for president as the Democrat right now, He would say, let's do the right thing.
Let's look at the law and follow the law.
Well, he gave up.
They want him to be king.
And he said, no, right, right.
No, we need a legitimate system.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
I will sacrifice my own good for the system.
tim pool
Some of these presidents very shortly after were, I think Aaron Burr was accused of being an honorless man who was in it only for himself and his own ego.
And that's part of what sparked the duel between him and Hamilton, which ultimately killed Hamilton.
Was because he was viewed as a narcissist who wanted power.
jack murphy
How?
ian crossland
I'm just talking about Washington, man.
jack murphy
You have to be.
You cannot become elected president unless you are a narcissist drunk with power.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
George Washington was pretty unique.
He might have been a narcissist.
jack murphy
It's the first one, bro.
It's the first one.
tim pool
Yeah, George, Washington doesn't count because we just finished this revolutionary war and they said, how about you?
And he goes, I don't want to be president.
Well, we need somebody.
You're the general.
It's fine.
jack murphy
Dude, we put up in my daughter's room a list of all the presidents.
There's 45 of them up there and around each of the presidents is a color that represents their political party.
All the presidents have a color on their frame.
All of them.
Except for one.
George Washington didn't have a party.
ian crossland
You don't need one.
tim pool
You're missing my point.
ian crossland
We don't need them anymore.
jack murphy
You can't keep referencing it.
It's the first one.
It's totally different.
A unique circumstance that will never be lived ever again.
ian crossland
Well, we're in a unique circumstance now with the internet video.
One guy can get a hundred million.
tim pool
That's not an argument.
What are you saying?
ian crossland
You don't need a political party.
tim pool
Dude, you have powerful special interests and you have a machine with billions of dollars you will not get on your own.
ian crossland
All they can buy is influence.
tim pool
Even Ross Perot.
He did pretty well the first time.
jack murphy
He got Bill Clinton along.
ian crossland
And he was an old, not-that-charismatic guy.
jack murphy
George Bush should have won that.
tim pool
Yeah, if it wasn't for Ross Perot.
And then he ran again, I think, at 8%.
That was impressive for an independent.
But he was a billionaire, wasn't he?
ian crossland
Teddy Roosevelt won as a third party.
I'm not talking about a third party.
I'm talking about no party.
You don't need a political party.
You just need a few friends to run with you.
You don't even need that.
jack murphy
Of course.
You need a cabinet.
to the Republican Party because you need a party to get elected and you need a party, dude, to govern.
Of course. And you need a cabinet. And this was Trump's downfall is that he didn't actually have
tim pool
a party when he came to Washington to govern. And he assumed the Republicans had his back.
jack murphy
Exactly.
So no, there's no way you get in there without having a political party and a machine and apparatus behind you.
tim pool
They did have his back though.
You know, they had a knife in his back.
They didn't have his back in the way most people assume.
And that was, I think, Man, Trump was naive.
He went in thinking, these guys, okay, I won.
I'm the president now.
You know, I was saying this the other day, but I remember I was outside of this building where Trump was meeting with GOP leadership.
And we knew back then in DC that it was like a big deal that Trump won and they hated his guts.
So he was going to meet with Republican leadership and they were going to talk.
And I knew right then, I'm like, I know what's happening.
Trump is in it, escalate.
He pulls in, he sits down at the table and you had a bunch of Republicans and they go, okay, Trump, now here's how things works.
And he goes, no, I'm the president.
Here's how things go.
I'm telling you.
And they were like, uh, It reminds me of, I don't know, have you guys watched the new Rick and Morty episode?
jack murphy
No, not the latest, no.
tim pool
Not the latest one, but the one where it's the new citadel of Ricks or whatever.
No, no, no, I don't know.
It's evil Morty has the election and wins.
And then he walks in and all the Ricks are laughing like, you actually think you're in charge because you were elected?
And then he goes, how many of you think this way?
Raise your hand.
And then he like snaps his finger and they shoot all the unloyal guys.
It reminds me kind of like that, except Trump didn't, you know, kill a bunch of people.
But Trump, I'm assuming he walked in, and they said, here's how things work.
We're the party.
Here's what we want you to do.
And Trump was like, no.
And he's still saying no.
Because you have to imagine, like, there was a story in The Hill, I think I mentioned it, where they said, a deal for Trump to leave the White House.
I'm sure he said no.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm the president.
He's got a vision, he wants to do something, he ran for a reason and he means it.
I think it's hilarious they tried pushing off this narrative that Trump never wanted
to win when he filed the paperwork for MAGA in 2012, four years before he ran, and then
he filed for re-election the moment he got elected.
Yeah, he's been intending to run for a long time.
ian crossland
He's been talking about it since the 90s, I think.
jack murphy
And he had run at least two times beforehand as well.
tim pool
Yeah, Reform Party though, right?
jack murphy
Yeah, which I had always thought were just publicity stunts, whatever, whatever, which is kind of what I thought back on the escalator incident.
I kind of thought all this was just a little bit of publicity and he would just kind of go back.
This was the time.
The wave was there.
It wasn't right for him the other times.
The world hadn't gotten crazy enough.
Things hadn't gotten bad enough.
We hadn't been fed up enough yet with the Uniparty to decide which one of these 17 guys up here is going to bust up the establishment.
And then they picked Trump to do it.
ian crossland
Kanye West could do it.
They didn't have Twitter before either, really, and not until 2010.
And he hadn't done his TV show until... When did The Apprentice end?
When did he leave The Apprentice?
jack murphy
I don't know, but we all watched The Apprentice.
Everybody watched The Apprentice.
ian crossland
Super famous person with social media can get elected.
tim pool
Yeah, but through a party.
ian crossland
Well, he joined a party.
He didn't have to.
tim pool
Yeah, he did.
ian crossland
No, he didn't.
jack murphy
Dude, why do you think Bernie runs as a Democrat, dude?
ian crossland
Because he's an idiot.
He should have run independent.
jack murphy
Uh, I was thinking back, sorry.
ian crossland
I was thinking you should have told Hillary, take it, suck it.
I'm going to run as an independent.
As soon as it found out that her server, that they were trying to end him and he would have won.
tim pool
No, it would have split the left vote.
He would have dominated that election.
40% of Democrats identify as progressive as of 2018.
So many of them would have defected.
Many of them would say, I don't want to risk Trump winning, but it would split the vote for sure.
ian crossland
Yeah.
All the people, half of Trump's voters would have voted for him.
tim pool
The Democrats are fractured and the Republicans are unified.
jack murphy
Indeed, on that.
That is for sure.
That's a strong statement.
Which is a fact.
ian crossland
Republicans are shattered.
Trump's their freaking head man.
And they've got Mitch McConnell in the party.
tim pool
I'm citing Pew and Economist data that shows the Republican Party has coalesced around a core central ideal, or ideals.
jack murphy
He's talking about the people of the party.
ian crossland
Not the president?
jack murphy
The president and the party apparatus are not aligned.
But the voters and the president clearly are.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Oh, I see.
tim pool
On the Democrat side, it's split into two mounds of progressives.
Yeah, that's for sure.
So if you break those up, they're literally two different parties.
They seriously are.
You've got union, working class, corporate, weird amalgam.
It's like Joe Biden represents the I'll say whatever I have to say to convince people to vote for me.
Then you have progressives who are like, Socialism all the way, literally, and I guess they try to deny it, but it's ridiculous.
They don't agree.
Joe Biden's a capitalist.
He loves going and making all that sweet money through his name and his family name, sending his kid out to make cash for him and his brother.
jack murphy
Yeah, but if you're a communist, you can make even more money off your sweet name.
ian crossland
And if you're a communist, you can call yourself a Democrat and run as the Democratic nominee.
tim pool
Well, so here's the big problem.
I see it.
Joe Biden doesn't represent anybody as far as I'm concerned.
Like, nobody wanted Joe Biden.
You know what I mean?
jack murphy
Settle for Biden.
tim pool
Exactly.
Settle for Biden.
So here's what I see.
Most liberals, traditional liberals, are not active.
They're not paying attention.
Well, I should say these are passive liberals.
These are people who probably have similar policy positions to us, to all of us, actually.
And they're not paying attention.
So you have very, very politically active progressives that dominate the narrative over and over again.
You then have your only option outside of them to not be a conservative is the likes of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, and they're awful, old crony corporate establishment politicians.
There is no moderate liberal populist.
You either have Trump, which is right populism, and then you have Bernie, who joined the ranks of the corporate Democrats, I guess.
But my choice right now, what do I have?
Do I vote for the lunatic socialist woke people?
No!
But then I'm like, I'm not going to vote for Biden.
I got to vote for Trump.
jack murphy
No, here's the choice that people made.
And I was thinking about this back when you mentioned, like, how is it that Biden got more votes than Barack Obama right back in what, 2008?
So 12 years later.
Are the demographic changes so profound that we're going to turn out that many people?
unidentified
No.
jack murphy
More people turn out for Joe Biden than to turn out for the first black president of the United States.
tim pool
But he was a celebrity, dude.
Barack Obama was a celebrity.
jack murphy
That's what I'm saying.
Let me get to the point here.
So the point actually is that the choice that the Democrats were faced with was this.
Do I want to be mentally tortured for another four years by my own party?
The Democratic Party and the Democratic media have tortured, gaslit, and abused the Democratic voter for four years by telling them that this guy Donald Trump, who everybody loved in 2014, who was on The Apprentice and with Oprah and with Jesse Jackson and getting awards from NAACP and the whole thing, And we're gonna say, all of a sudden, he's a racist, he's Hitler, he's the end of the world, he's authoritarian, you should be scared, you should be terrified, you should be freaking out!
The Democratic Party beat their own voters into voting for whomever they decided.
The only choice the Democrats had was, please make it stop.
And they didn't know.
They don't know what it is.
But really, they're just saying, please make it stop.
And where's the abuse coming from?
It's not coming from Trump's policies.
It's not coming from the actions of the Republican Party.
It's not coming from MAGA patriots blowing up cities and rioting all over the place.
No, the torture is coming from the Democrats.
They're doing it to their own people with their foot soldiers in the street with Black Lives Matter and Antifa and all this chaos and saying to people, if you don't vote for our guy, you're going to let Hitler take over the country.
And they're just like, please make it stop.
They're all deranged and broken down on purpose.
That's the only choice.
tim pool
And where are we at now?
The media is saying the election's over, Joe Biden won, submit.
jack murphy
Submit.
tim pool
Even though we haven't gone through state certification, let alone choosing electors, let alone certifying the electoral results.
Congress has to then certify the results after that.
We've gone through none of the traditional constitutional processes, and they're already saying, shut your mouth, Joe Biden is the president elect.
ian crossland
A lot about corporate media political collusion on this just in life in general on the show.
Do you think they were incrementally moving towards a better place, a solution where that kind of thing isn't happening?
jack murphy
No, dude.
Powers being concentrated, countries being polarized, networks are being fortified and hardened.
And our separations are going beyond political movements and now into tribes.
And it's all being fueled by money and corporate sponsors and curators and influencers and the media and everybody pushing us into these horribly ostracized tribes based on empathetic triggers that make us want to hate each other.
No, it's not getting any better.
ian crossland
Who's doing it?
jack murphy
It's an emergent phenomenon.
There's not one old guy pulling all the marionette strings.
ian crossland
They go after Soros.
jack murphy
It's an emergent phenomenon.
Sure, Soros has done stuff on the record.
ian crossland
He's part of the emergence.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
He's part of it.
tim pool
All of the billionaires.
jack murphy
They all have an alignment currently, and it's playing out.
They want to diminish the power of the federal government.
I know people aren't talking about that as much.
The Democrats don't touch the corporations.
They don't do anything with the antitrust.
BLM, Antifa want to see the government diminished.
The socialists want to see a government, like a revolution.
tim pool
Well, I disagree.
They want the power of the government for themselves.
jack murphy
Right, right, exactly.
Yeah, they want, well, they want to change the way that we're doing things, right?
The critical race theorists want to deconstruct the entire apparatus that is existing.
And so all of them have the same common interest, which is diminish the power of the federal government.
And that's why they're all on the same team right now.
tim pool
Sure, but they're doing it to exert their own power over us.
Corporate power, race power, all that fear.
They're trying to vampirize it.
jack murphy
Sure, but they're doing it to exert their own power over us corporate power race. They're our all that fear kind of
tim pool
vampirize No, I see them as self infiltrating these institutions and
government for power That I feel like you look at the media
ian crossland
The military.
tim pool
And you look at the New York Times.
The New York Mag just wrote this big piece about how there's a ton of people in the New York Times, like, worried that it's become a woke activist brigade.
You have enough people of this new religion, you know, intersectionality, where they can stage a coup internally at these companies.
Because I think, like you mentioned, most people are like, I don't know.
I just, you know, just leave me out of it, I guess.
jack murphy
Yeah.
No, it's already happened.
The coup has already happened.
It happened through HR departments.
ian crossland
Is it the Vatican through the British government trying to retake the American people back?
We separated from the British crown in 1776 and there's a lot of British crown money in the Vatican and are they trying to take the United States back?
tim pool
Is it the British?
ian crossland
Wait, I'm allowed to say that the United States...
said goodbye British crown and we revolted against them.
tim pool
What does that have to do?
ian crossland
Are they trying to take the United States back?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Are you sure?
I mean, I'm just, I'm just grabbing at straws.
tim pool
That literally is nothing.
Who are these people?
ian crossland
Who is this emergent?
Why is this emergence happening to the United States government?
tim pool
Because there are people who are in the United States who have gotten jobs in these, in these departments who have an ideology and want to exert it and they're aligned with their own pride.
ian crossland
It's not just people in the United States, it's global corporations are doing this.
tim pool
They're doing it because the U.S.
has money and they're seeing what people are posting on social media.
Twitter has created a machine that incentivizes people to cancel you because they can put their PayPal link in it.
unidentified
But the U.S.
ian crossland
doesn't have money.
The U.S.
borrows money from a federal bank.
There's nothing to do with what you just said.
tim pool
You are literally saying random things right now.
ian crossland
I'm wondering, why is this emergence trying to take hold of the American government right now?
jack murphy
Bro, it's international.
Wokeism is everywhere.
Corporations are everywhere.
It's just a matter in some of those countries, the general population is all along for the ride.
In the United States, we're not like that.
When I say diminish government power, in this alliance, there are some people that want to seize control of the government, right?
For their own ends.
And then it's like exerting the government influence to their benefit.
But then there's other people that want to seize control of the government so that the government doesn't do anything.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack murphy
So that they can just keep doing what they're doing.
The corporations can run around unmolested.
ian crossland
Right.
So it's either they're trying to take a hold of the U.S.
military, or they're trying to destroy the U.S.
Constitution.
tim pool
Well, they are trying to destroy the Constitution, that's for sure.
ian crossland
And why is this international corporation group trying to destroy the U.S.
Constitution?
tim pool
What are you talking about?
jack murphy
No, destroying the U.S.
Constitution is just like a byproduct of the fact that they want to keep their power.
tim pool
They've said, get rid of the Constitution.
There's a New Republic article saying the left should actively campaign against the written Constitution of the United States.
jack murphy
Sure.
tim pool
And it's because they want to ban speech.
And it's because they want to maintain power.
And if you can't share ideas, those ideas can't persist.
ian crossland
You know, I'm sorry for bringing up the British crown.
I just think...
The power structure of a monarchy bothers me, and I wonder if this corporate thing is similar to that.
And they want to destroy this freedom mechanism of the U.S.
Constitution so that they can exert top-down authority.
tim pool
None of that has anything to do with the... Sorry, I said that real crudely to you, real mean.
It has nothing to do with emergence in any way.
Emergence is, a person goes on Twitter and says, Jack Murphy is alt-right.
He gets a million retweets, and then he goes, send me money through PayPal!
And he realizes, wow, if I call people alt-right, I can put my PayPal link and get money!
Then, a bunch of people start realizing they can do this, so they all start doing it at the same time.
Then Coca-Cola goes on a Twitter and goes, whoa, they really like it when you call people alt-right!
Coca-Cola, we don't like the alt-right either!
They're targeting what the, you know, the big corporations are putting money behind what they see and what they think.
You've got Democrats that are doing the same thing.
A Democratic politician comes on and says, wow, a lot of people are talking about the alt-right.
I oppose them!
Vote for me!
Now all of a sudden you've built this twisted, weird culture around nonsensical cancel culture and woke ideas because on Twitter it made people money.
Then 92% of the population who don't prescribe to these beliefs are like, What?
I'm not voting for that guy!
And then the Republicans, they're on track to win what, like 12 seats in the House now?
Because they're like, this is ridiculous and makes no sense.
The crazy thing about it though is, it started to go into the HR departments, and now regular people who are like, I don't care about Twitter and cancel culture, walk into their workplace one day and someone says, oh, you're not checking your privilege?
And they're like, wait a minute.
What is this?
jack murphy
Now, I think, Or when you see it in your children's curriculum at school, forcing your kids to have courageous conversations and sit in their witness.
tim pool
Or when your kids come home and call you racist.
jack murphy
Exactly.
ian crossland
I've touched onto something with this collusion to destroy the U.S.
Constitution, that it's a big global scheme to get rid of the U.S.
Constitution.
tim pool
No, no, you're going way too far.
ian crossland
The United States is unique.
It's a free state.
And if we proliferated this concept across the world, They've tried.
jack murphy
We've tried, bro.
ian crossland
Not by force.
tim pool
By culture.
By culture, yeah.
People have adopted our movies, our music, our video games.
Computer program languages.
Using English.
ian crossland
And it's popular.
People like Hollywood.
They like movies.
They like being able to walk around outside and not get shot.
They like it.
jack murphy
Okay, you're on to something in one regard.
I'll give you this one sliver here, that the corporations definitely are working to build a supranational, you know, sort of network that can transcend domestic laws.
That's what they want, right?
And they want a trading system that's independent of the states and can just do whatever they want.
That's why they set up these, you know, the quasi-government agencies like the World Trade Organization and the IMF and the World Bank and all these things.
To create this system, this ecosystem that is actually separate from the nation states.
That's definitely what they want to do.
They want to end the power of the nation state.
It's not specifically.
I mean, you have some cases, but it's not specifically about the U.S.
Constitution.
It's not even necessarily just about the United States.
It's about wanting to have power that's greater than a nation-state.
ian crossland
And these corporations are like mini-monarchies with the king at the top being the owner.
tim pool
No, they're not monarchies.
ian crossland
Well, they've got an owner that runs it all.
tim pool
No, they have board members and they have public shareholders.
ian crossland
But a lot of them have owners.
tim pool
Sure.
ian crossland
I mean, those owners maybe, a lot of those owners own, I don't know, I don't want to speculate here, but a lot of them, I believe, own a lot of those companies together.
So an oligarchical, you know, oligarchy.
That was a little redundant.
jack murphy
Corporate power is pervasive.
ian crossland
Okay.
So instead of, it's not a bunch of mini monarchies, it's an oligarchy.
tim pool
Or corporatocracy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And they have more money than the monarchies, then more power and more reach.
Billions and billions and more.
ian crossland
You think, yeah, maybe you're right.
jack murphy
I mean, if you can control the world's information and access to it, does that not make you more powerful than the queen of England?
tim pool
You know what's crazy?
Mark Zuckerberg could, like, someone in this position could probably get any person they wanted if they wanted to, like, like, date or have a relationship.
You know literally everything about them.
You know when they go to work, you know when they poop, you know what their interests are, you know literally everything, but you can manipulate them too.
So you can target individuals.
You know, Facebook was doing this.
They were feeding specific stories to people to see how they would respond.
jack murphy
Yep.
tim pool
That's crazy.
They were like, I wonder what this effect, you know, show them a bunch of happy stories and see what they do.
See how they react.
Show them a bunch of negative stories.
Oh, dude.
ian crossland
And Microsoft just patented this technology where you swallow a pill and it measures your body heat and your biometrics and then pays you cryptocurrency.
tim pool
That sounds fake.
ian crossland
It's real.
You can go to the Bitcoin.com, look up Microsoft Internet of Bodies, I think.
tim pool
But wouldn't you just poop it out?
ian crossland
Maybe one day.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
But in the meantime, they're tracking your biometrics.
jack murphy
Now, there's one part of that that I find completely interesting and something that we really should be talking about, which is like how to own your personal data and how to benefit from it.
Like students, for example, in kindergarten take these tests and then the companies use the results from the test to create new products that they then sell to the schools to make more money.
So they're actually using your children.
as inputs into the products that they are making money off of.
Why shouldn't our children own all their education data and then receive micropayments from the companies for the benefit that they get of using the information?
That's how we should own.
All of us own our own information and we should be compensated for it.
This model with Facebook and Google just giving ourselves away for access to an email account.
It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Now that you really think about it and see what the negative effects are.
Right.
You've just given away all of your information, all of your personal sovereignty, all to a corporation.
unidentified
Why?
jack murphy
So you can use their stupid free email or use their stupid free search?
ian crossland
Yeah.
A good friend of mine, Ben Peterson, has mentioned a few times that he wants access to his Facebook analytics and like all of them.
Why is that?
Why is that kept secret?
jack murphy
Well, it's kept secret because you click that box when you sign up for your free stuff, bro.
ian crossland
If we're going to regulate, that's a nice thing to regulate.
jack murphy
Well, that's wouldn't it be nice if there was active antitrust effort underway to clamp down on social media monopolies and front censorship and stealing your data and doing all kinds of nefarious things and programming your brain and changing your emotion and using your Fitbit, which is connected to the Internet, which is connected to the ads so that they know when they send you an ad what your heart rate does so they can send you another ad to get your heart rate up even higher.
Don't you think it would be good for us to like step in and sort of have someone look at that?
That's what's not been happening.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what's not including Microsoft with this biohacking stuff.
jack murphy
Yeah, that is what's not been happening.
And that's what the corporations want to have keep happening, which is the absence of behavior like that, the absence of regulation like that.
And that's what I say when they're interested in diminishing the power of the federal government, right?
If Trump was smart, I wish he would have on day one in his office, he would have prevented all of this crap that's happening right now in social media universe.
If he would have gotten real hearings and real investigations and prevented Google from like auto completing your searches and flashing things, they literally flash things just to change your mind, change your mood as you're typing things out and fake searches and search suggestions and things like that.
They're totally manipulating all of us on purpose, told us all that they were doing it, it's been released, Project Veritas, a ton of stuff on it.
tim pool
They could make you buy something for no reason.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
Like all of a sudden people are just buying rocks and they own the rock company.
It's an extreme example, but yeah.
ian crossland
It's kind of like putting candy at the cash register, but it's way more insidious because you're comfortable in your own house.
jack murphy
Sure, you're preying on people's sort of instinctive behaviors and their needs and their emotional states.
What if they know that they can trigger you into some sort of, you know, a triggered emotional state and then throw a sales pitch at you that now you're more susceptible to purchase that item.
They're doing, they do that.
ian crossland
And I think they should be allowed to, but I think you should have access to knowing exactly how they're measuring it and doing it.
I would never want to step in on a capitalist system and be like, you can't sell products that way.
Not necessarily, not never.
You know, cigarettes couldn't be sold to kids after a while, but, or cartoons couldn't be used to sell.
jack murphy
And so are you of the opinion that Twitter should be able to ban whoever they want for whatever reason, totally incongruently with them?
ian crossland
Yeah.
But I also think their code should be free so that I could start a Twitter and not ban anyone.
And then you can be like, well, that Twitter sucks.
I'm going to Ian's Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Except that exists and doesn't work.
jack murphy
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know their code yet.
tim pool
It's not about code.
It's about the fact that there are multiple services just like Twitter.
And what happens is then the activists who have got you banned in the first place launch an attack against the new platform to get those banned and get their resources stripped away.
I mean, it works every time.
ian crossland
Literally exactly like the exact same carbon copy of the site.
tim pool
It makes no sense.
ian crossland
It makes total sense.
jack murphy
It's not a product that they offer.
It's the market capture that they have is where their power comes from.
It's not the technical side.
ian crossland
Well, it's both.
And you would interrelate the two.
So if I was using Ian Twitter, I could still see all those people on the other Twitter.
tim pool
But Twitter is not anything.
Twitter is literally a reverse chronological feed of people posting things.
Their code is advanced RSS.
ian crossland
It's text messages, dude.
jack murphy
Why was it 140 characters?
Because that's what SMS was.
tim pool
And now it's just 280 because arbitrary.
Twitter has an algorithm, but the algorithm, people don't use it.
People, well, I mean, some people probably do, but most people hate it.
It's literally just bare bones, garbage, trash, simple code.
Sure, they've got things like direct messages.
jack murphy
Trash.
tim pool
But if they ban you, you have no access to the town hall.
It would be like saying, you can't come into the public square where we're discussing things, but don't worry, there's another one down the street you can go use.
No one's there, but go ahead and go there and talk.
jack murphy
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, it should be like, if you wanna, you can't use my computer to access the town hall, you gotta go use that other computer to access the town hall, is how it should be working.
So you're saying- And each computer is a carbon copy of Twitter.
So you're saying national is Twitter.
The town hall is- Yeah, that's what he's saying.
Or, well, it would still have to be open source and free because the government could be just as dangerous as a corporation.
jack murphy
So what you're saying is you want to confiscate Twitter and then release its intellectual property into the universe so that it has zero value and everyone has access to it.
ian crossland
Well, it's definitely still valuable.
tim pool
You're a communist.
jack murphy
Not if everybody has.
ian crossland
Hey, look, we had to do it with the well, the railroads are still private.
I think it's a private public thing.
The railroads at one point were completely private.
And when they started to strangle.
jack murphy
So you bring up a good point to new technology is disruptive to the point where not novel, you know, actions need to be taken.
And I think that Twitter has reached, you know, that that point, especially when they're nefariously manipulating and controlling your conversation.
Check it out.
tim pool
I think we would have a serious problem if we had a free, completely free and open Twitter with mass usership.
Regular people wouldn't want to use it.
They'd stay away from it.
jack murphy
Yeah.
No, it'd be crazy.
It would be insane.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the solution is, uh, the dark and the light.
So that, you know, first floor, second floor, where when you walk in, you're on the first floor and everything looks clean and pristine.
And then if you say naughty words, we kick you to the basement, where you can still have access to, you can hear what everyone's saying around you, but they have to choose to opt in to hear what you say.
Therefore, You're not being kicked off the platform.
You can still use it, but you're kind of a dick.
So people have to turn on, you know, dark, you know, not safe for work mode to see what you, what you see.
You know what I mean?
Otherwise, Twitter was a nasty place.
I mean, it isn't as a horrible place, but it's just been nasty the whole time.
And when you had just endless harassment, trolling, and you still kind of do, it's not as bad as it used to be.
It was an awful place to be.
People didn't want to be there.
So what Twitter was like, how can we make this more friendly and more cooperative?
You can't.
All right?
It can't be done.
But they've banned a lot of people.
That kind of solved some of the problem.
We'll ban you unless you do as we say.
And maybe that's the real goal of the Iron Fist.
They're trying to scare people into falling in line, otherwise you'll get banned.
But a lot of people just don't care, and so they'll do it anyway.
I think the solution is, if you break the rules, you get a filter.
And then if people want to read the filter post, you turn filter on.
So, choice.
ian crossland
It's too strong because their rules shouldn't, I don't think, should be the gatekeeper of the commons.
jack murphy
Self-curation.
Just let people block.
Block and ignore.
Block and mute.
unidentified
I have blocked 3,000 people.
jack murphy
I block like crazy.
I have fun blocking.
If you want to get blocked, troll me one time.
That's it.
You get zero chances.
And in fact, I block people who aren't even talking to me that I see looking like idiots to my friends, to other people that I know.
I preemptively block people.
I block people for making bad jokes.
Just don't do it.
Because I enjoy doing it.
I get a cackle out of it.
It's fun.
tim pool
We should go to Super Chats.
jack murphy
Do it.
tim pool
Super Chats.
If you haven't already, smash that like button.
We are going to be here for an extra half an hour because YouTube went down.
So we're doing that for you.
ian crossland
And if anyone knows why they went down, please do tell on the chat.
tim pool
Cloudflare.
ian crossland
I don't think it was.
It said Cloudflare was up when I checked.
tim pool
YouTube goes down sometimes.
jack murphy
By the way, my name is Jack Murphy.
You can find me at JackMurphyLive.com, at JackMurphyLive on Twitter, also JackMurphyLive on YouTube.
Hey, YouTube viewers, go subscribe to my channel.
Let's get me over 20,000.
Let's get over 20,000.
Let's do it.
unidentified
Let's get that plaque on the wall.
jack murphy
Do you get one for 20?
unidentified
No.
100.
Well, let's do Super Chats.
tim pool
Mr. Obvious says, My channel was demonetized for talking about the election, possible slash confirmed fraud and legal cases.
I always provide context, evidence, and doubt.
I follow the YouTube guidelines.
They've taken my income and livelihood.
Do you know anyone who can help?
Unfortunately, I don't.
It's a cutthroat business, YouTube, and they're gonna arbitrarily axe people.
That's why I keep saying it's only a matter of time before they ban me, and then, you know, when it happens, it happens, I guess.
jack murphy
Rock and roll tour time!
ian crossland
Start starting your own network is really key.
I think in this in this day and age, getting subscriptions, bypassing advertisers, liminal order, liminal order.com.
jack murphy
Hey, Tim, by the way, love the track, the audio track.
I thought the song was fantastic.
Yep.
tim pool
Oh, thank you.
jack murphy
I love the video.
I love the whole mood.
I was very impressed.
Congratulations.
tim pool
So that's the will of the people.
It's a song I wrote.
ian crossland
And if you get a chance, put some headphones on and listen to it with headphones, because it's another song.
jack murphy
And if you get banned, dude, I'd say you hit the road.
You hit the road.
I'll be a, what do you call it, stagehand?
Let's do it.
Roadie.
ian crossland
We should do that anyway, man.
jack murphy
I'll be a roadie.
I can carry stuff.
ian crossland
Let's go jam.
tim pool
Brian Michael says, you're losing viewers day by day.
Do you think it's because you are softly accepting a Biden presidency or because you shut down guests that have different opinions than yours?
I do like you a lot.
Uh, I'm not losing viewers day by day.
I have more viewers than I've ever had.
And there are some people who have, who have been giving me a slightly higher percentage of thumbs down on my main, on my main channel segments, but it's like 98% versus 99%.
I think.
jack murphy
I think Tim Pool's doing quite all right.
tim pool
I think this is another one of these posts where people are like demanding that I prop up people who claim they
invented email and stuff like that.
Oh, Shiva.
Yeah. So you have a guy who's like, I invented email.
And now they're like, look, he made a YouTube video where he's arguing this is true and the election was stolen.
And it's like, dude, I'm not going to take unverifiable claims from people as a reason to actually go after this.
I actually think the people who are bringing this up are the pro-Biden people.
No joke.
Because they want to trick you into highlighting unverifiable conspiracies to throw you off the actual argument.
So when I make a video and I'm like, hey look, the RNC has presented a sworn affidavit saying there's fraud and they get mad, I can only imagine that's a Biden person.
jack murphy
Is that a MacGuffin?
Is that what that is?
tim pool
No, no, MacGuffin is that's that's like an item that you need to move a plot or something.
jack murphy
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
tim pool
So basically, you'd think people who actually wanted Trump to win would be like, it's very good that Tim is highlighting the actual hard evidence and discounting what the media is saying.
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
Instead they come here and say, prop up the insane YouTube conspiracies, which will completely discredit everything they're trying to do.
Yeah, sounds like a pro-Biden person.
So I wonder why it is that 98% are thumbs up.
Probably because the people who are trying to drag it down are the ones who want Biden to win by pushing unhinged conspiracies.
ian crossland
There's a lot of people that just want, they want to talk about hammer and score.
I know it because I get it.
And it's just...
It's it's not a Biden.
It's not a partisan thing.
It's just there's just this like some people just like I just I know it with the core of my being people are feeling this way and it's so it's frustrating that you a prominent journalist that usually looks at all the facts isn't going hard on it.
tim pool
But I think your argument that focus on what's right in front of you going hard on what one guy came out hammer and scorecard some guy comes out and says there's a secret program.
You'll never find it.
And what am I supposed to say?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Wow.
I don't know.
Investigate it.
ian crossland
That's what they want to see you do.
Sidney Powell.
tim pool
went to the moon. Investigate what? We had Sidney, uh, what the heck? Sidney Powell,
Sidney Powell, a lawyer, a lawyer talking about it and an Air Force guy talking about it. And
you've got classified information and you've also, it's also, listen, man, I have been, I, I, I've
been covering so much stuff for so long and it's so obvious how easy it is to trick people into
talking about stupid, like unverifiable claims and completely discredit any and all efforts to
to get a fair election process.
And the moment you come out and go to a court and say, there's a computer program called Hammer, and the scorecard thing they're changing, the judge is going to be like, Get out of here!
What are you talking about?
You've got no proof, you've got some guys... It's like, it reminds me of that dude who claimed there were aliens at Area 51.
And people are like, it's true, he's a witness.
Dude, that's ridiculous.
He's got no evidence.
You can't take one guy saying one thing and then launch a massive legal proceeding to win a presidency.
What you can do is take 11,000 sworn statements, like the RNC is claiming they have all these people coming forward, and actually have an opportunity to have a real legal case.
ian crossland
Yeah, it seems like, in regards to your journalism, you're not in deep investigation mode right now.
You're in, like, reporting mode.
So you're not looking deep into the dark underbelly.
You're just reporting on what's directly in front of you, for the most part.
unidentified
No.
No.
tim pool
You, like all of these people who are desperate to get these, like, mathematical analysis that proves the election was stolen.
are falling into a trap because it proves your confirmation bias to you.
And it is tricking you.
I say this all the time.
Pizzagate.
How easy was it to shut down the actual investigation into what was going on with leaked emails?
Think about it.
You had a bunch of elites.
Emails coming out.
They're doing something weird.
And all of a sudden, some weird message pops up on a forum claiming these ridiculous things about Satan and whatever.
And then a guy shows up with a gun and shoots the floor and the whole thing stopped.
No more investigation.
No more emails.
They tricked these people and it worked like a charm.
And now, right now, you have a sworn affidavit from a Nevada poll worker.
I saw fraud.
And what do I get?
Tim, talk about the unverifiable government conspiracy!
Why?
So that we can completely discredit any opportunity to have an actual investigation into the real fraud?
ian crossland
It's not about time.
You only have so much time in the day to choose what you talk about.
You can't go in and read.
tim pool
No, dude.
It's about you being tricked into chasing after a red herring.
ian crossland
Are you saying me personally?
tim pool
Yes, you personally.
ian crossland
I mean, I'm bringing up the topic.
tim pool
You're bringing up something that you can't verify.
It is throwing everything... It derails the conversation.
ian crossland
Because a lot of people are feeling it.
That's why I brought it up.
Because a lot of people... I'm not trying to make you think about it.
I'm telling you why that guy super chatted that.
jack murphy
Tim, I have a question for you.
Based on what you said, do you think the people on the right that picked up Pizzagate and ran with it actually screwed the pooch on getting real investigation into the Podesta emails?
tim pool
Yep.
Because I think the first and most obvious thing you need to do is think about what high-profile individuals are doing.
unidentified
Drugs.
tim pool
And guess what? If you grew up in the south side of Chicago, you know all the slang terms for drugs.
And so when they're talking about playing games on this, that, or this, I'm like,
they're doing crack like Hunter Biden.
jack murphy
We used to say, I need to talk to a man about a duck.
tim pool
Exactly. So you get Hunter Biden's got a crack pipe in his mouth.
We know these high profile individuals are probably slinging and doing dope and other crazy drugs.
And so how do you stop people from unveiling the fact that you're having coked out drug parties, make them start putting up some ridiculous ideas about spirit cooking Satan parties with... So now let's go one step further here.
jack murphy
Are you suggesting that the DNC Podesta people planted Pizzagate in 4chan with the hope that it would become a conversation taken up by people on the right that could be easily discredited as to sabotage the entire investigation into the email leak and the Russia or however it happened?
No.
tim pool
Well, possible.
And would be a very, very smart move.
I have no evidence to suggest that's the case, other than people chase after ridiculous narratives because life is boring.
To find out you have a bunch of drug-addled politicians who are selling out your country is not nearly as sensational as satanic death cults selling kids and doing spirit cooking.
ian crossland
And also aliens.
I think that the Roswell crash was government technology, like, you know, lightweight drones or whatever.
And they made us all think about that their aliens are real.
And I don't know this planet.
I don't have any evidence.
But saying it was it was it was it was it was a hot air balloon.
And then they said it was alien craft.
tim pool
And they were doing it because they were probably working on some kind of top secret military tech.
And they were like, if people start looking into this, it could screw up our actual, you know, weapons project.
Tell them it's aliens.
lydia smith
That's what Ian's saying.
tim pool
Right, I know.
Then a bunch of people are running around pointing at the sky, screaming aliens.
lydia smith
And may I say, Ian, to your point, this is something that Scott Adams has talked about, because there are tiny instances of voter fraud that are being blown way out of proportion by the right wing.
All the left has to do is disprove a few small things in that instance.
People on the right are running around with their hair on fire over things that make no difference.
This is called a red herring.
And you mentioned this earlier.
This 100% is a red herring.
And this is something you need to look out for because they use this.
So if they have something big in the works, they're just diverting your attention.
And it's shocking how easily diverted people are.
And it's because of social media, at least partly, I would blame people in general, but it's at least partly because of social media and because of stuff like Twitter.
But you're 100% on point when you talk about a red herring because this is what they're doing to you.
I don't know if you realize that.
jack murphy
There is a 2020 word for this, too.
It's called fast transient.
And the point of a fast transient is to disrupt your OODA loop, which is observe, orient, decide and act.
And fast transients are meant to just destabilize your OODA loop and make it so you can't observe and you can't reorient yourself so that you can then make a decision and act in a proper way.
Trump does it all the time.
tim pool
It also puts you in an extremely esoteric worldview, where when you try and talk to regular people and you're like, yo, hammer and scorecard, they go, what?
This Air Force general.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
The election.
Okay, dude, wait, what?
But if you go, a poll worker at the election said there was fraud.
They signed a sworn affidavit.
A regular person goes, really?
jack murphy
Whoa.
tim pool
What's going on?
Hammer and Scorecard requires so- it's this- you get pushed into this extremely jargon-filled, esoteric reality that makes it very difficult for you to explain to other people because they're not there with you.
They're asking questions about, a vote was counted.
Was the vote real?
Donald Trump is suing, saying there's a violation of Equal Protection Clause.
Very, very simple.
Easy to understand.
To explain to someone why it is there may be impropriety in the election that could result in Trump's victory.
You come out and start talking about retired 83-year-old Air Force generals with a top-secret government program that they use to flip elections, and they're gonna be like, dude, you lost me.
This is... what?
Now, I think, you know, Michael Tracy mentioned the other day, you tell that to somebody and they probably will just agree with you.
Go, oh yeah, I'm sure there's all sorts of stuff like that.
They might just roll with it.
But you're not going to win in court by going up to a judge and claiming, your honor, the election was stolen.
We know because an 83 year old Air Force retired general said, the government has a program that can flip.
The judge is going to be like, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Testimony is not enough to go on.
tim pool
The judge is going to be like, you can, you can have a seat.
You can leave me, stop wasting my time.
ian crossland
In regards to the other part of that super chat where they said your views were going down, if you step back from view counts, you'll notice that they tend to go up in an up-down motion.
They'll like arc up, down, up, but they're constantly going up.
jack murphy
Trending higher.
tim pool
You have to compare views based on year, so there's months where views go down for everybody, and there's months where views go up for everybody.
jack murphy
That's seasonal.
tim pool
Yeah, it's absolutely seasonal.
And also, it is a fact, my viewership is down from last month, but this also happens with elections.
So just before the election, we had, just after the election, we had our biggest show ever on IRL with over 100,000 concurrent viewers.
Now, you know, today we peaked at like 67,000 or something, which is really high, but you know, 67% of our biggest.
So of course, views go down after the election.
Everybody wants to know what's happening, what happened.
And then, okay, I'm not going to watch anymore.
jack murphy
67,000 concurrence tonight with a 45 minute delayed headstart and screw up from YouTube.
Teamcast IRL on fire, y'all.
ian crossland
You are awesome.
tim pool
Let me tell you, what frustrates me is we could have a very serious story and it's so easily derailed by sensational movie-esque nonsense.
Hammer and Scorecard could very well be real, but you're not going to argue that in court to get Donald Trump a victory.
jack murphy
Not in the next few weeks.
ian crossland
Yeah, unless some documentation arrives and it's corroborated, but I haven't seen anything like that.
tim pool
You're going to need declassified documents.
You're going to need practical usage.
You're going to need sworn affidavits from people saying that they literally used it this time around.
The one thing that I think is interesting right now is potentially the Dominion whistleblowers that people are saying are coming forward.
We'll see if that happens.
That will be serious.
That's going to be someone claiming the Dominion voting machines and software was flipping votes.
We get a whistleblower saying that in a sworn affidavit, we got something.
jack murphy
If somebody gets Epstein'd in the next few weeks, then we definitely know something was afoot, right?
ian crossland
I guess.
No?
No?
Still conjecture?
But let me know if it happens.
tim pool
Doobie McNasty says, gonna tell my kids this was America.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Take a picture.
I thought this was America.
This is a grain of sand in a heap.
I got no problem.
I will not impugn the honor of Dr. Shiva in doing his mathematical analysis.
He's a PhD from MIT, so I'm sure he knows way better than I do on the math end of things.
But it's not a winning argument in court.
There you go.
It's a it's a waste of the court's time and it's not going to get Trump any victories.
It may generate ground support.
There you go.
You know, for Trump, from people who see it and go, whoa.
But I don't I don't think it's going to I don't think what he's offering up is enough
in terms of anything effective in terms of, you know, ground victory or whatever.
I think a sworn affidavit from a poll worker saying there was fraud easily the most the
jack murphy
most or sworn affidavit from a voter who didn't request an absentee ballot.
Who had one cast on their behalf or their dead son, which is one of the things that
Brainerd's team is looking at.
Matt Brainerd you should check him out.
tim pool
When I talk to my friends, I tell you this, if I message a friend of mine who's a progressive or like a passive liberal who voted for Biden and say, a retired Air Force general came out with this, they're going to be like, dude, shut up.
If I come out and say an MIT professor did a mathematical algorithm proving, you know, how they were flipping, they're going to say, shut up.
If I say a postal worker is on record right now with a sworn affidavit that they were backdating ballots, I can show you the video of it, of the guy saying it.
They go, really?
There's no argument against that.
You have a poll worker saying it.
You have a woman saying my dead son voted.
You have a postal worker saying it happened.
You can't argue against THE postal worker who was there saying they did this.
You can definitely argue against some guy who did a mathematical formula.
I can already hear it now.
How do I know his formula's real?
Who is this guy?
What does this even mean?
This is ridiculous.
I show you a postal worker in uniform delivering mail in a Veritas video, and the best thing the leftists I know say is, well, Veritas is lying.
ian crossland
You know, I think this guy that wrote Scorecard has come out and started, the developer that developed Scorecard is talking about it now.
I still don't know what kind of proof that is.
I've got to read more about that.
jack murphy
British monarchy.
tim pool
We've known for a long time that there's programs that can flip votes.
At the DEFCON, I think, I don't know, maybe 2014 or 2016, the Hacker Convention, some kid did it in 20 minutes.
He took a die-bolt machine or whatever and flipped the votes internally with some simple code.
So we know that's possible.
We have a serious problem with proprietary voting machines, I guess.
That code should be open source.
I'm assuming it's not.
It may be.
I don't know.
jack murphy
I was trying to think what the solution to this would be and what I came up with while we were talking in the back of my head listening to you talk about the British monarchy and stuff.
Just kidding.
What if, to vote, you have to go on one side of the Mississippi or the other that day?
And then basically each person that crosses over the Mississippi, that's how you count the boats.
It's like the only way you can do it.
It's like literally geographically physically separate everyone into where you want to be counted and then make each person move from one or to the other and you count that until they're totally swapped.
And then you know, that's the only way I think to do it securely.
Let's do it.
ian crossland
Makes it easier for people closer to the Mississippi, unfortunately, but I think Something like that.
He's a threshold that everyone has to cross.
jack murphy
He's going to jump on me about a detail about this fantasy thing I'm talking about, but then he's going to bring up this other stuff like it's fact.
ian crossland
I'm just, I'm just making a statement.
Um, I like your idea of crossing a threshold, making everyone, you know, have some sort of acknowledgement.
tim pool
Like picking softball teams, like Trump stands on one side and we get 70 million people here and Biden on the other, 70 million people here.
And then they go, okay, you, I pick you, you vote for me.
Come over here to my side.
And then Biden goes, okay, tru-na-na, shaba-da-pressure.
Uh, we got a super chat from Doobie McNasty.
He says, I'm sorry, you spelled it wrong, Doobie.
It's tru-in-na-na, shaba-da-pressure.
So he says, it's the best piece of legislature that ever bat-a-calf care.
You're just mad that it works.
Face it, Tim.
I'd like you out behind Corn Pop's house and eat your little kid's lunch.
You think you got a chance?
Come on, man.
Someone posted, I'm starting to think Corn Pop wasn't such a bad guy.
ian crossland
He might be right.
jack murphy
Corn pop!
tim pool
We got here from Frieden Gaming saying taxation is theft.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
Sian Davies.
ian crossland
The type of taxation, right?
tim pool
Says Jack Posobiec has just tweeted that the Trump campaign has released a photo of do not admit list.
Their reporting is from Philadelphia Ballot Counting Center.
Apparently 100% of the names are Republicans.
Interesting.
ian crossland
Do not, what was it?
jack murphy
Do not enter the polling place.
tim pool
Do not admit.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
tim pool
Oh, really?
Garhent says, oh honey, Ian.
ian crossland
Tell me more, Garland!
Do tell!
tim pool
So, uh, Josh the Amazing Animator says, Hey Tim, are you aware of MaidenGate?
People finding out ballots had been cast under their maiden name.
I have not been able to verify anything having to do with that, and I know that they banned people who were posting it, so... Once again, it's so easy to derail people from actual arguments.
Right now, we have a woman who came forward and said her dead son voted.
Okay, answer for that.
That warrants an investigation.
What Trump would need if there was some kind of systemic alteration of votes or whatever is justification for an audit.
Okay, a glitch in Michigan that justifies an audit.
Let's focus all our energy on a machine flipped votes from Trump to Biden.
Whoa, we better audit all of these machines.
Instead, what are we getting?
jack murphy
Maidengate.
tim pool
Well, fortunately, I think we're getting... Maidengate, and Hammer, and Scorecard, and things that have nothing to do with Trump's actual... That's because I'm on the show, man.
ian crossland
If, you know, we're getting... True that.
You've got a million-person audience, and we're getting the stuff that you're investigating, thankfully.
At least I am, for the most part.
tim pool
Let's see.
William Keller says, don't have a lot of money for chats, please read.
We should count-vote like a blackjack table in Vegas with cameras everywhere.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
Yeah, why don't we have cameras?
jack murphy
We should do them in the casino.
tim pool
Why don't we have cameras everywhere?
jack murphy
Everywhere.
tim pool
In a casino.
jack murphy
I mean, they should do it in a casino because there's so many cameras all around.
lydia smith
Yeah, good idea.
ian crossland
I hear there's smart cities in China where they have two cameras for every person, and this is something Ben Stewart was talking about at the election night party, and that it'll get to a point, or maybe it already is, where you walk outside and say, Uber, and either a camera sees you or a microphone hears you and an Uber comes and picks you up.
120 cities in China are already like that.
Wow.
Unconfirmed, but that is terrifying.
tim pool
We have Hellbound Wolf saying, I spent a year in Penn State Wilkes-Barre into 2009.
I remember watching a movie in a sociology class.
A guest speaker came in with a video that was almost a documentary about rape culture on colleges, and it had anonymous guys talking about drugging the girls at parties.
Yeah, that happens.
I think that was in reference to Brett Kavanaugh.
jack murphy
Might have been.
Or like a weird tangential reference to the Podesta email conversation we were having.
tim pool
Yes, I've seen this.
I've also seen Benford's Law and the change anomalies.
race feature. As the R vote increased down ballot in the Michigan County, the number
of Trump votes decreased. Yes, I've seen this. I've also seen Benford's law and the change
anomalies. But again, these things may be great for people who are all already looking
for reasons to support Donald Trump.
I I would argue, having worked in fundraising and network building for non-profits, the least effective way to actually convince a regular person that you were right.
Talking about mathematical anomalies and stats and government programs.
Regular people, when you talk to them... I used to walk up to people on the street and I'd have to try and convince them to give me money for saving the rainforest or something.
jack murphy
First you have to convince them to stop.
tim pool
That's the easiest thing to do.
unidentified
Is it?
tim pool
Yeah, you just walk up and go like that.
And then they stop dead in their tracks.
It's the biggest mistake these people make is saying, would you like to talk to me?
No.
You don't give them a choice.
You walk up and stick your hand out in front of them.
They shake your hand and they don't let go.
Nice to meet you.
Here's what we're doing.
And then you hand them the clipboard and they take it with the other hand and then you never take it back.
So they're standing there holding it, trying to give it to you, and you just have your hands crossed, or like in your pockets, or just down at your side.
The point is, when you're trying to convince someone, because I did this for years, and I was one of the nation's best, some of the biggest non-profits, if I went and was like, right now there's X, Y, and Z, and the government is doing this, they're gonna be like, I don't know, I'm not interested, I'm not emotionally attached to what you're saying, I don't care.
But if you make it really, really simple, like, The simple thing that I did for when I was fundraising for a homeless shelter.
You have all these people desperately trying to say, every night there are three kids, you know, that we see in the street.
People are like, yeah, okay.
That's not what I would say.
You know what I would say to people?
I would stop them and shake their hand and say, I'm not going to read this to you.
I want you to hear me.
I want you to imagine.
You have no parents.
Think about your parents.
You don't have them.
And you're sleeping under a bridge.
You're in your filth.
No one cares about you.
You have nothing.
And then one day, someone walks up and you look up, and through the light from the sun, you see them reach out a hand and they say, I'm here for you.
I'm that person.
You reach out and you grab their hand.
They pull you up.
You can be that person.
You can rescue these kids.
They write me checks all day and night.
jack murphy
Dude, sign me up.
I'm ready.
tim pool
But when you come out and you're like, every night we see 12 children who have, you know, found no place to live.
Now, it doesn't work.
It works for some people.
Some people are like, oh, that's sad.
12 kids.
Here's money.
No, you tell them.
You make them experience.
You make them feel that.
You say, I want you to imagine yourself sleeping in the dirt.
No one loves you.
Think about what these kids must feel.
You can be that hand.
I had one lady write me a check for $700 on the spot.
jack murphy
I want you to imagine.
tim pool
Yes.
I want you to feel it.
jack murphy
Beautiful.
tim pool
Imagine what that must feel like.
Now imagine what it would feel like if a hand reached out to lift you out of that and said, I will save you.
I'm here for you.
I love you.
jack murphy
Tim is working on me.
I'm not, I'm not kidding.
Like you're, you know, you were looking right at me when he did that and like, I could feel the stir.
I could feel the stirring.
ian crossland
I felt like I was in a rainforest.
jack murphy
That's a convincing argument.
That's a direct way that I can see my benefits, my actions helping somebody else.
Damn right, dude.
Good.
I'm going to write this down.
tim pool
In the instance of voter fraud and stuff, it's really hard to make someone feel in that same way, right?
Fundraising for a nonprofit is easy.
Telling them, I want you to imagine this experience happening to you and now we must stop it makes them kind of, you know, Well, that's what the Democrats have been doing this whole time.
jack murphy
I want you to imagine that you're living under the guise of Hitler and that totalitarianism is coming.
I want you to imagine that the world is ending.
I want you to imagine that the Russians took over our government.
tim pool
Exactly.
What are you going to do?
ian crossland
As a lawyer, it's not your job to make them feel it, fortunately, when it comes to the voter scandal.
They just got to inform them and let the judges do the right thing.
tim pool
It's a it's so when I'm talking about the convincing people to listen and open up, it's kind of the other end of this.
If you walked up to someone and said, listen to me, you moron, you are going to help the kids.
They'd be like, get out of my face.
How dare you?
So if you approach someone from this position of jargon, esoteric concepts, and unfamiliar ideas, they will in no way ever relate to anything you're saying and it's confusing to them.
I don't know what you're talking about.
This sounds weird.
I saw it in a movie or something.
This dude's crazy.
And that is the most effective way to shut down the opportunity.
It ultimately doesn't matter.
I mean, Trump needs support if he's actually going to file these legal challenges.
He's raising money and stuff.
But in the end, he's got his legal arguments.
If they make sense, they make sense.
What needs to happen is that people focus on Trump's actual claims.
The media is telling you there's no evidence of fraud.
There's no evidence of fraud.
And then people on the left all laugh about how stupid Trump is.
You know, he's got no evidence.
There was this post by Chris Evans, because Fox News is really dumb.
Chris Evans is filming a Fox News bit, and it's John Roberts, I think.
Is that his name, the reporter, John Roberts?
Is that his name?
lydia smith
Yeah, that's his name.
tim pool
He's like, now the Trump campaign says not all of the legal ballots have been counted, and not all of the illegal ballots have been excluded.
The only thing standing in their way is evidence, for which they've presented none.
And then Chris Evans starts laughing, and then he tweets it, thinking he's all smart.
And that is the emotional response.
Haha, they're so dumb.
Look at me.
I'm like you.
That's what he was basically saying to people.
Look how smart I am.
Fox News is stupid.
Fox News was, or Trump was stupid.
The problem was Trump's lawsuit about illegal ballots being excluded had nothing to do with fraud.
It had everything to do with improperly counted ballots.
Fox News got it wrong and created this ridiculous statement that made no sense.
And the media keeps doing this.
And then these leftists all get in their minds.
There's no fraud.
Even though there is evidence of fraud, whether it's widespread or not, I don't, you know, is an argument, but there's Trump's legal claim isn't even about fraud.
For the most part, there's fraud arguments from Trump.
jack murphy
Mostly peaceful election.
ian crossland
That's what it's been.
tim pool
Let's see.
jack murphy
I'mma tweet that later.
tim pool
99% Scott Ward says, Problem.
Dems cheat by watching the vote tally and then magically find enough votes to win.
Solution.
Use glitchy software to short count your own vote tally.
Let them cheat against those false margins.
Reveal the real count and the fraud 4D chess.
Well, the issue here is if that's true, it's because we did, um, we, we, we did, we counted the votes in the day and then we stopped and then we waited for a week, you know, or whatever, like five days to then count the rest of the votes.
The official reason is that absentee ballots... This is really, really funny.
Let me ask you.
Why is it that we were able to count in-person votes by the millions in one day, but absentee ballots, it took us a week to count?
What's the reason?
jack murphy
Don't know.
That's a good question, Tim.
tim pool
You know what the official reason is?
jack murphy
Tell me.
tim pool
You mean it's how it should be?
ballots are different. We have to match signatures. We have to go through the secrecy ballot.
It's very different from in-person voting. So it takes longer.
lydia smith
You mean it's how it should be?
tim pool
And you know what that means? It violates the 14th Amendment.
jack murphy
Because it's different.
tim pool
Yes. Not the same process for people. And thus, that's Trump's argument. Or at least
one of the arguments.
jack murphy
I mean, of all the things I've heard, the procedural stuff, that one's... I'm no lawyer.
That one seemed to have a little bit of weight.
tim pool
I don't know, though.
I don't know, because the argument could be that, fundamentally, it's not about whether the security process is the same, but is there a security process, right?
So you can argue, everyone who comes in this building must go through security.
There's a metal detector, and there's a guy frisking people.
But if you come in, it's equal that they both went through a security process.
In that capacity, a mail-in ballot may have a security feature and an in-person ballot, an in-person vote has a security feature, and that makes them equal.
Depending on what the court decides.
jack murphy
Yeah, but you know what?
A deadline is not, that's not the same thing.
tim pool
Oh yeah, oh definitely.
jack murphy
A deadline.
There is a deadline, and it's this day.
tim pool
Yep.
jack murphy
And it should be the same for everybody, regardless of how you get your vote into the ballot box.
tim pool
So that's why backdating is so important.
This, uh, this USPS whistleblowers claim, because I mean, honestly, perhaps Trump should have let them take the extra three days and not challenged it.
Because then if the backdating is true, all the ballots that came in that would have beaten Trump, that would have, you know, pushed Biden over the edge would have came after election day.
And then Trump could have launched a 14th amendment claim.
Whatever, we'll see if it plays out.
I think it's still, you know, particularly slim chance.
Someone said, don't ever take Ian out.
He is our hippie Alex Jones.
That's exactly it.
Love it.
What is this?
jack murphy
Very nice.
tim pool
Someone said something.
jack murphy
Super chat.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, here we go.
BD says, Ian, you are the ultimate woke.
ian crossland
Awakened.
I prefer awakened.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Someone said Ian is right but has the wrong religion.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
jack murphy
These people are paying to give you compliments.
tim pool
Oh, that's wonderful.
lydia smith
Thank you.
ian crossland
What is your religion, guys?
lydia smith
Oh gosh.
ian crossland
Math?
unidentified
Math.
ian crossland
Math is my religion.
tim pool
All right, here we go.
Dogs of War says Trump just made his case for voter ID even if he loses the election.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
And that's another big point too.
Trump's goal might not be to actually stage a coup or whatever.
He might be planning to leave and he might be making sure that when he leaves he scorched earths the voting process in such a way Democrats can no longer use these manipulative tactics or changing the rules.
Last-minute mail-in ballots?
Nope.
Fourteenth Amendment.
It may turn out the Supreme Court says Okay, you can't do this.
We need to make sure we have a uniform system in place.
Trump still loses, but the next go-around?
No mail-in ballots.
No universal mail-in ballots.
ian crossland
I don't think we should ever do these again.
This was so chaotic.
tim pool
It was so obvious it was going to be chaos, you know?
All right, here we go.
Antone Maxson says, did anyone realize the Trump Accountability Project sounds like a bad bartender who just read about the Reign of Terror and the Law of Suspects and said, hey, let's play Among Us.
Great show, by the way.
Is there a beanie club?
Ian and Lydia need one.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
Oh, well, you know, me and Jack, you know, we're chilling.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
It's freezing in here.
ian crossland
Although I would wear a beanie.
tim pool
It's cold, right?
Dean Badger says, here, this is for the kid under the bridge.
ian crossland
I mean, that is the biggest thing.
tim pool
Not the biggest.
A big issue is that Trump's foreign policy gains are going to be just thrown in the trash.
jack murphy
I mean that is the biggest thing is that the not the biggest a big issue is that Trump's foreign policy gains
unidentified
are going to They have already said that Joe Biden is going to take a
lydia smith
more traditional approach to world relations. Yeah excited
Looking forward to that.
tim pool
Daniel Benavides says, what about an online voting system that has multiple verification
from all sides?
I.E. your personal info proves your creds and you get a random third party code.
Confirmation for candidate via their own codes you get privately.
Oh, interesting.
What if, uh, I don't know if that would work, but I do like the idea of having to request
your ballot.
That was the big problem with universal mail-in votes that I think could theoretically have an unequal treatment that people who didn't even decide to vote got ballots versus people who have to choose to vote go in person.
That could arguably create an unequal system because the average person might say, I don't feel like going and voting.
But then you put a ballot in their lap and they go, I guess I'll fill it out.
jack murphy
You know, this is probably the election of the great mass of the lowest informed voters of all time.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Right.
People who wouldn't get off their butt to go vote during the day because they just don't care at all.
They get it in the mail and they're like, I'm sure I'll just vote.
tim pool
But this is Nevada.
Nevada is the only swing state that did this.
I'm pretty sure.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Pennsylvania did have a lot more absentee ballots though.
So I think, I think in those states you still have to request it.
I'm not entirely sure.
ian crossland
That super chat was kind of cool.
He was talking about a third party code.
tim pool
Yeah.
Verification.
Bloodthirsty says, does Tim have hair?
The answer is No.
ian crossland
A little.
tim pool
Facial hair, sometimes.
ian crossland
I know, it's gorgeous.
tim pool
Levi Meads says, oh it just jumped on me, where'd it go?
All my leftist friends that voted for Biden own guns.
Most of them either don't know his stance on guns or they do and just ignore it.
To fit in, Frisco, Texas has become the California in Texas due to the large influx of CA businesses moving here.
You know, one thing that I think people don't realize, we talked about this the other day, there's one really simple solution for the results of this election.
COVID and the riots moved people around in random and weird ways.
So you end up with higher voter registration in certain areas, you end up with certain counties swinging, you know, like all the bellwethers were wrong.
Do you see this?
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
So the bellwether towns are the towns that, like, historically, whoever they vote for ends up winning, just for whatever reason.
And this time around, most of them, or at least a large portion, were wrong.
And so everyone's like, that's weird.
Yes, but what if a bunch of people move to random places in the past year due to COVID and riots, and thus you get a totally altered demographic base around the country?
Maybe that was factored into the Democrats' plans with mail-in voting.
They knew it was going to happen, and they wanted to, you know, target it.
ian crossland
I don't know.
We may never know.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dun-dun-dun-dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Will Stokes says, Tim, what do you think of blockchain voting?
Even though it may be difficult to secure the actual internet connection.
And then SP also said the same thing.
What about blockchain voting?
I like the idea of the public ledger, I suppose, but what's to stop someone from forging several votes and putting them in the blockchain?
ian crossland
I don't know.
It's probably not perfect, but better than mail-in votes?
tim pool
I think it's probably worse.
Paper ballots are a physical ballots are a security feature.
ian crossland
I would think you would need to sign up online and then get a piece of paper mailed to you and then have to fill it out and mail it in and then they would allow you to vote on the blockchain.
tim pool
But the mail-in voting function is the easiest to exploit.
You get a bunch of fake ballots, and you pep them around through different post offices, and then there's no chain of custody.
You don't know where they went, where they came from.
ian crossland
For the blockchain?
Wait, I'm talking about blockchain voting.
tim pool
Right, so you said you had to mail in something.
ian crossland
Yeah, like you sign up online, and then they're like, okay, we will mail you your confirmation of your sign-up in seven days.
tim pool
Oh, okay, right.
ian crossland
So you get it, you fill it out, you sign it, you mail it back, and then they're like, now you have access to your blockchain voting database.
And you could vote on the blockchain at the polling places.
tim pool
I think in person.
ian crossland
So same place you would go and do your paper ballot, you would vote, and it would just go on the blockchain.
lydia smith
So you vote in person?
tim pool
In person.
ian crossland
You do both.
tim pool
No, I think it should be in-person paper ballots.
ian crossland
Dude, we got these, man!
tim pool
Nope, it's about security.
ian crossland
Come on, make it easy!
unidentified
No!
tim pool
No, no, no.
Security is difficult.
Okay, when you're in... This is the way I explain security to people.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
When you go to a conflict zone, what level armor do you pick?
jack murphy
3A.
ian crossland
The best.
jack murphy
3A?
unidentified
4.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Plate.
Ceramic plates.
Depends on where you're at and what level of security you need.
If you're going into an active conflict, you might not want to be wearing plates if you need to run full sprint for a long period of time for some reason.
So you might want 3A.
You might want Kevlar, maybe not plate.
Although, I think if you're in an active war, you're gonna want more than plate.
ian crossland
Body armor.
According to Jocko Willink, you want body armor.
tim pool
So listen.
You can also go the most secure route.
That is armored vehicle.
Armored vehicle.
But guess what?
Armored vehicle can move fast.
It's bulky, but you're not going in buildings.
You have limited your ability to function in certain ways.
And you're a bigger target.
And there's still IEDs and other things that can take you out.
So when I explain this to people when I go into urban conflict, they're like, why don't you wear a helmet, goggles, and a mask all the time?
And I said, because you can choose to have, for one, making yourself a target.
Wearing a helmet, wearing a gas mask, people are going to see you.
You can't blend in with crowds or disappear, so you have to consider stealth.
You have to consider, if you're carrying this stuff around, is it going to be cumbersome?
And let me tell you, carrying around a gas mask and a helmet Yes, especially when, like, I've been in situations where I've had to walk or run 20 miles in a single day.
It's nice not to carry all that stuff.
So the more you pile on for security, the harder it becomes to move.
But I'll tell you this, if you're in a tank, you're pretty safe from, you know, if you're an armored vehicle with bulletproof glass, you're not getting shot.
So if we want good, secure elections, we have to accept there's going to be a decent amount of difficulty in getting the job done, but so be it.
The alternative is make it easy for everybody.
You make it easier for the fraud.
ian crossland
If you still have to sign up, use your social security card, you mail something out, they mail it to you, you do it, you mail it back, and then they give you access just to be able to push the button on your phone.
tim pool
That's fine, but I'm, like, and we do that now with absentee ballots, but I'm saying, I think, in person, you go up, you go in person, they give you your paper ballot, you fill it out, you sign it, you put it in the envelope, you seal it, and then it's in the same place.
jack murphy
My Mississippi River solution is the only thing that's really going to work.
And as you guys are talking about it, I'm still, I'm thinking, do we get turnstiles?
Do you just send one person over this way, one at a time, all 70 million people?
How long would that take?
Will there be like carnivals?
Will there be street vendors?
ian crossland
People are going to fly.
jack murphy
Are you going to camp out?
What kind of, it'll be like Burning Man every year, but for the election on the Mississippi.
And we all start on either side.
tim pool
The issue is if we did that, They would be like, okay, who's going to cross the river for Trump?
No one.
ian crossland
And snipers.
tim pool
Nobody would do it.
They'd be like, not me.
ian crossland
What about thumbprint debt for your ID?
Is that just not, is that can be forged?
tim pool
In-person paper ballots.
And the reason you do paper ballots is that you can audit the vote.
You can go back and say, give us that paper ballot stored and secured so we can count it.
ian crossland
Yeah, there should be a paper backup.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Whether you do it online, on the blockchain, or whatever, there should be paper as well that you can cross-verify.
tim pool
And I think audits should be mandatory.
Here's what we do.
You do in-person voting, they count it, and then we use a random number generator to determine which random US precinct will then recount those ballots.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
And you could have a computer do it.
tim pool
You bring the people there.
So here's how it works.
We're in, you know, let's say we're in Washington, D.C., and we have a box of ballots.
We count it, and it says, you know, 100 for Joe Biden and 101 for Trump.
We say, that's our official number.
The observers have all agreed.
OK, then you seal the ballot, the box up.
A random number generator says, it's Wyoming's, you know, first congressional district or only congressional district.
And you fly out three people, a Democrat, a Republican, and a vote counter to D.C.
to walk up and they count it again.
There you go.
jack murphy
Are there not audits currently?
tim pool
They're doing audits right now.
jack murphy
And not as part of the regular process?
tim pool
Not as part of the regular process.
In Pennsylvania, the state Republicans have announced they're going to audit the vote.
And in Georgia, they're doing the full risk-limiting audit, recount, etc., recanvass.
Nice.
Trump's trying to get a recount in Michigan.
I believe a hand recount because of the glitch.
And that is a...
If what people are saying is true about the votes flipping, a hand recount is going to reveal a ton of these votes.
That's what Trump needs to focus on.
So that's why you don't need to talk about any of these- Don't say it!
ian crossland
Oh, you started to talk about it.
tim pool
Right, you don't need to talk about it.
You can just say, that guy who won because the vote was glitched.
Did you hear about that Republican?
They said he lost, then the computer changed it and he won.
Yeah, here's the article.
And they go, whoa, that really happened.
And people, you're gonna tell it to your friends, they're gonna be like, really?
Now, a lot of people on the left don't wanna hear it, but regular people who aren't really paying attention might be like, really?
You talk to these diehard anti-Trump people, they're gonna be like, well, that's ridiculous, that's just, I'll give you a million excuses.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
All right, let's see, we got some more Super Chats.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Let's see, uh, Vallis Darkly says, Tim, why do you always wear the beanie?
For the same reason that I always wear, like, the same shirts and the same pants.
It's kind of just like, uh, I'm a cartoon character.
It's a brand thing, I guess.
lydia smith
It's a brand.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's the beanie brand.
Someone made a mask for me.
And it's got a little beanie on it.
And I sell shirts with beanies.
It's like a thing, you know?
I didn't make it up.
It was actually someone who did marketing for Puff Daddy told me to do it.
Back during Occupy Wall Street.
And I was like, alright!
And then I roll with it.
You should start wearing a cape.
jack murphy
It's like Ian in his PJ pants.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
Look, Tenny Ball says, you guys are overthinking this.
Everyone gets their own inner tube and there are two super tall poles.
You place your inner tube over the candidate's pole of your choosing.
Boom.
Unfraudable.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
And then we look up at the 17 mile high poles and we're like, that one's higher.
And they're like, I demand a remeasure!
And then they have to come and bring the big measuring sticks.
And then the sun bursts one of the inner tubes.
jack murphy
It was inner tubes below and layers of inner tubes upon inner tubes.
ian crossland
You would have to bury the poles and then just check to make sure that no one put little inserts in there.
unidentified
Check the poles.
tim pool
Yeah, there's like inflated fake inner tubes.
One starts inflating in the sunlight, and then it pushes them higher.
lydia smith
That's not fair!
tim pool
And then it pops, and then it goes lower.
ian crossland
Orbital tube drop.
tim pool
All right, all right.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've gone well over because we had to make up for lost time.
But if you haven't already, smash that like button.
And don't forget to subscribe to this channel, because my friends, tomorrow is going to be one of the... Don't say anything.
jack murphy
I was wondering.
tim pool
No one's supposed to know who's coming tomorrow.
lydia smith
Oh my goodness.
jack murphy
I know.
tim pool
Yeah, Jack knows.
But we're not announcing.
lydia smith
It's going to be a fun... I am so excited.
tim pool
...fun show with some crazy people.
So tune in for that.
Subscribe tomorrow at 8 p.m.
And don't forget to hit the notification bell.
Hit that like button.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
And my other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast and slash TimCast News.
I have a bunch of different channels.
They're all named TimCast, whatever.
Of course, you can follow Jack, who's been hanging out.
jack murphy
Hi, my name's Jack Murphy.
You can follow me, subscribe to my YouTube channel, Jack Murphy Live.
Please get that, Jack Murphy Live, on Twitter.
I'm on Parler, but I'm not going back right now.
JackMurphyLive.com.
JackMurphyLive anywhere.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
tim pool
And you had that, you had that, that was really interesting, that guy who was tracking like all of these different hosts.
jack murphy
Matt Brainerd.
I did an interview with Matt Brainerd, the former data chief for the Trump campaign in 2016.
Plus he has a team of former Trump Analysts, people that know this business better than anybody and they are working right now around the clock to match, to identify and investigate potential circumstances of fraud.
They have raised a half a million dollars.
They're calling two million people to verify and they're helping them form, do affidavits and declarations.
So check that out.
It's on my YouTube channel, Jack Murphy.
Live.
tim pool
Crazy.
And then of course, there's Ian.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Follow him.
ian crossland
Hi, thanks, Tim.
Jack, I just wanted to mention a book.
jack murphy
A book?
ian crossland
That you wrote.
jack murphy
Oh my god.
ian crossland
That I still haven't read.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
ian crossland
But the premise sounds cool.
jack murphy
I didn't even bring it up tonight.
ian crossland
You should bring a copy in next time.
jack murphy
Democrats are deplorable.
Why 9 million Obama voters ditched the Democrats and embraced Donald Trump.
It is a story about 2016, but actually it's the story of 2020.
It's the story of America in the 21st century and the re-sorting politically that we're having.
Stories about people like me, people like you, and then some real deep analysis.
It's fun.
It's a great book.
Selling well.
Five stars on Amazon.
Top seller.
Go get it.
ian crossland
I like it.
jack murphy
Democrats are deplorable.
Thank you, Ian.
Appreciate it.
And you, your book.
What was that called?
ian crossland
It's called Writing in the Dark, and it is also on Amazon.
I wrote it when I was going through a psychotic break in New York City.
So get that.
unidentified
Oh, I didn't know that.
lydia smith
Who knew?
Literally no one.
ian crossland
You can follow me on any social network at Ian Crossland.
unidentified
Did you know that?
jack murphy
I was kind of being a jerk.
lydia smith
I love it.
jack murphy
And then he's like, by the way, bring it on.
10,000 copies.
ian crossland
Thank you, Jack.
Thank you for reminding me.
jack murphy
I will.
And the name of your band?
ian crossland
Well, we have one called The Panic, I think, is our... are we able to... present company?
tim pool
Well, we don't have anything yet.
ian crossland
It's a project that Tim and I are working on tentatively.
jack murphy
And the name of your hairstylist?
ian crossland
I do my own hair.
unidentified
Oh, snap!
jack murphy
And your own wardrobe, definitely.
lydia smith
Love it.
ian crossland
I do.
lydia smith
It's pajamas.
Don't worry.
ian crossland
I used to weigh tables with this shirt.
tim pool
Don't forget to follow Lydia.
lydia smith
Do you have to follow me on Twitter?
jack murphy
Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
L-Y-D-S.
lydia smith
That's true, yeah.
tim pool
All right, my friends.
We are going to be back tomorrow with what I can only imagine is going to be a ridiculous show.
But I think we're trying to be serious with it.
It's going to be really interesting, but it should be fairly big.
So stick around.
I'll just tell you this.
We can't talk too much about it because I don't want to get shut down.
So we're going to be poking the bear on this one.
jack murphy
You can't resist.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
We're going to get banned.
We're going to get banned.
lydia smith
We got to tease.
tim pool
We will see you all tomorrow.
Thanks for hanging out.
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