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Oct. 22, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Hunter Biden Laptop Forwarded To Police over CHILD Exploitation Allegation

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We now have the FBI and the DOJ agreeing with the Director of National Intelligence that
		the Hunter Biden laptop and its contents are not part of a Russian disinformation campaign,
		yet somehow our news media...
		I should do air quotes for that.
		They haven't gotten the memo, and I think it was on MSNBC, some guy was like, it's clearly Russian propaganda, and of course, CNN's still pushing the lie.
		Because it's not journalism, it's anti-journalism.
		It's not enough that they must not be journalists, they must actively be anti-journalists.
		That's their thing, that's their motto.
		So now we have another update.
		Rudy Giuliani has said that he's transferred contents of the laptop that He believes shows child sexual exploitation to Delaware police.
		And there are a lot of really interesting opinions about this because local cops are not feds.
		They're not federal level.
		So you're going to, so some people are saying you're going to end up with some regular old cop being like, I don't know, man, I saw this on the laptop and they're going to, they're going to testify as to exactly what they saw.
		Whereas with, you know, FBI, there's concerns over partisanship, especially following Obamagate and all this stuff.
		So we're going to talk all about the rushest nonsense, the media garbage.
		There's this new thing with Rudy Giuliani and Borat, which is complete fake news as far as I understand it, claiming that he was trying to get down with some young journalist and he was caught.
		As if that's a scandal anyway, but sure, they want to get a 70-something-year-old man in a bedroom with a secret camera.
		That's on them.
		Fun, I guess.
		So joining me today to talk about this, of course, we've got Ian Crossland.
		He's chilling.
unidentified		What up?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Sour Patch Lids is producing and all that.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm here in the corner.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we have Drew Holden, who is the master of threads on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's because you put the thread emojis in everything you do, you know?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's fair, I know, and I've got it in the bio, too.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's my top emoji, I think, all the time now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The threads?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, smash the like button, subscribe, notification bell, show, Monday to Friday live, 8pm, blah blah blah, you know how it works.
		And tomorrow's the debate, so we're going to be hanging out for the debate.
		We won't have a show tomorrow, but we'll start with this, the Russian stuff, man.
		And then we'll jump into the weird, creepy, Hunter Kids thing.
		But I actually used one of your threads on Russian disinfo, I think it was today, maybe it was yesterday, where basically you have all of these media companies continually pushing this lie that the Hunter Biden laptop and the emails that implicate Joe Biden in these, you know, pay-for-play deals and using his son as an intermediary to cash in on his name, this is all Russian disinformation with no evidence.
		That's the media today.
		I don't know.
		We were ragging on the media.
		Why don't you just go ahead and rag on the media?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		At this point, it's a knee-jerk thing, right?
		We saw after everything happened with the Russian collusion narrative that if something comes out that's inconvenient or not politically expedient, particularly during an election, of course it's got to be the Russians.
		Heaven forbid that Joe Biden's troubled son maybe did something wrong.
		Maybe there's news out there that hurts Dems.
		No, it's got to be Russia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first thing that comes out, they're like, it was Russia!
		And everyone goes, oh!
		And they're like, that's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The next thing that comes out, that was Russia too.
		And they're like, really?
		And the third thing, oh, and, and that, that too, huh?
		Yeah, that was Russia.
		And then finally they're like just doing their nails and they're like, oh yeah.
		Like when you're, when you miss, when a sock is gone, it's only one in there.
unidentified		Yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Russia, Russia took that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, really, man?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, come on.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't even wait for a split second, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		There was one report that there was investigations into—and who knows?
		I mean, it was one unnamed source from the FBI said that it's being investigated as Russian disinformation.
		And in a heartbeat, it went from there's an investigation into whether or not this could potentially be Russian disinformation to it is Russian disinformation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see what Politico wrote?
		Yes, this is amazing.
		The headline was like, former intelligence say this is a Russian disinformation campaign.
		And then in the story, there's a quote, let me be clear, we have seen no evidence and have no reason to believe it's Russian disinformation.
		But it smells like it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
		And so my favorite, so James Clapper, who I think has outed himself as a hardcore partisan who has One, a tenuous grasp on reality at best, and two, he's a political hack, right?
		That's what he is.
		He came out, the first night it came out, he was on CNN, and he said, this is textbook, by the book, Russian disinformation.
		And it's, again, they're wired, I think so many of these people, to see something they don't like and assume that it has to be Russia, and so it's so easy for them to just take that Is it the best they can do?
		narrative that blew up years ago.
		Right?
		I mean, like this is this isn't new stuff.
		The idea that not everything bad is Russia is has been thoroughly debunked
		for years and years and years, and they can't snap out of that schema to
		approach everything in the world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it the best they can do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like you'd think at this point they'd be like, it's actually, um, it's Uruguay.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		At least they're China in there.
		I mean, my god.
		It shouldn't be that hard to think of something new.
		It's New Zealand!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		New Zealand interference.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		And it's just the lack of curiosity, I think, is really what kills me.
		I think you were right to look at the filing nails, too.
		These people don't care.
		One of the reasons why it's so easy to make it Russian disinformation is the people who are hearing this story, it could be aliens.
		They're not interested.
		They do not care.
		They may as well be.
		Exactly.
		They are fundamentally disinterested in whatever this is because it hurts their team.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, it's like a new Red Scare almost.
		Russia!
		Could you imagine if we make it to the point where we have history on this era that's accurate?
		They're gonna be like, and at some point, for some reason, all these Democrats thought Russia was around every corner.
		I almost kind of envy some of these people, because life is boring, you know, in a lot of ways.
		Could you imagine if we really lived in a world where it's like you were James Bond, and you go outside to get the newspaper, and there's like a Russian behind your garage, and he's like peeking at you, and you're like, Russia!
		I see you!
		And you wiggled your fist at him, and then he leaves, and then, you know, you're like, you go into your basement to get some, you know, extension cables, and there's like some Russians, and you're like pushing him with a broom, like, get out of here, you Russian!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it's like, have you guys seen the TV show The Americans?
		It's the same thing, where you've got like, it's a suburban household, and you've got, sorry if I'm spoiling this, I think they get to it in season one, there are like these undercover KGB agents back in the Cold War, and it's like, yeah, wow, that's exciting!
		Don't you wish?
		Like, wouldn't it be And so much of this too, I think we see it with the BLM movement, we see it with lots of different people, there is this desire to have a life that is meaningful and interesting.
		And where we live in such hot and heady times, it can be really easy to say, it's similar to that we're living in the most important, most consequential election of our lifetime.
		If you can convince yourself time and time again that the things that are happening are not as boring as they appear, And they are exciting, and they involve you, and you're in the thick of it, like if you're a journalist.
		Of course they're gonna do that.
		Of course that's more exciting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's gang stalking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what gang stalking is?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's... no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's, it's, uh, there are people who are afflicted by this paranoid delusion that agents are stalking them.
		Ah.
		And after 9-11, there was a big surge of people believing government agents were stalking them.
		So, some people believe it was born and bred out of online conspiracy theories about the Illuminati and the government.
		Right now, that same phenomenon is happening, but with white supremacists.
		So, I was reading an article about this, really interesting.
		It was Jonathan Kaye from Quillette.
		I saw him post about this and I was like, that's a really good point.
		And he mentions that when you look at these threads where the people are like, the white supremacists are hunting me and they're targeting my family and sending us letters and things, it is the exact same narrative as the agents.
		But here's the thing.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When you tell someone I'm being stalked by agents, they think you're crazy.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if you're an activist and you say white supremacists, they go, oh man, these white supremacists are such a big problem.
		So right now, there's a story USA Today wrote about this.
		Some dude, I think, in the Pacific Northwest filed a lawsuit against a whole bunch of, like, conservative entities.
		And, like, right-wing entities and individuals.
		The person has no idea who they are.
		Saying that they're infringing on his rights and making it unsafe for him to go outside, and so he's gotta sue.
		It is...
		Russia is the Resistance Democrats gang-stalking paranoia.
		The Russians are everywhere.
		Could you imagine Vladimir Putin hiding in your basement, and everyone who tweets at you is clearly working for Putin?
		This is a whole new level.
		Back in the 2000s, you had people who were like, you're an agent!
		There's agents everywhere!
		Now that we're very online, it's the exact same thing, but they're going, Russia!
		Russians!
		I think for a lot of people it's really easy because if you see the world as fundamentally black and white.
		like I think Donald Trump is evil and you'll comment well I just disagree with
		that and they'll say you must be a Russian yes Russian bots every Russian
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		yeah and again it's I think for a lot of people it's really easy because if you
		see the world is fundamentally black and white everything's good everything or
		everything is bad then yes of course everything that doesn't go your way is
		God has got to be something malicious It's Putin, or it's the Little Green Men, or whatever it is.
		But it's so easy, I think, to get wrapped up in that sort of a narrative.
		And right now, you've got an entire media ecosystem that is hooked on this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why did they not choose China?
		Russia's a democracy.
		I don't know if it's a real democracy, but they overthrew the communists.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they don't want to actually injure their partners, do they?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Biden likes them.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Biden does like them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember when he was naming all our global enemies and in the end he was like, and China's doing their thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're not a competition for us.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what it was.
		And we have these emails where a company called CEFC, it was a Chinese, it was an energy firm.
		Yes.
		And there was an email saying H will hold 10% for the big guy.
		And apparently, I guess, Fox News reached out to people on the email chain who confirmed the big guy was Joe Biden.
		So Joe Biden... Let's stop all that real quick.
		And let me just ask you a question.
		Why did Hunter Biden fly on Air Force Two to China to negotiate a private equity deal?
		Isn't that bad?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's like a well-known thing.
		There's photos of him on the plane.
		Okay, that's bad enough.
		If you were to tell me, following those meetings, Joe Biden was telling his son, I want a cut, I'd be like, makes sense, he was the one giving the ride on government property.
		So now we get these emails where Hunter Biden is doing a deal with Chinese officials, and they're all part of the Communist Party, because if you're going to do anything, you're a member or whatever.
		And then they say, you know, 20 for H, 20 for L, and 10 for, uh, held by H for the big guy.
		And everyone's like, I wonder who the big guy is.
		The first story comes out insinuating, could this have been Joe Biden?
		Then Fox News reached out to someone on the email chain, asked, and they said, yep, that was Joe Biden.
		So you want to know why Joe Biden and the Democrats or whatever won't say China's doing it?
		Because they're cutting sweet deals, man.
		They've been setting up factories for decades, taking our jobs, moving them overseas, and they're in on that deal.
		It's lucrative for them.
		My question with all of these people is, how did they enter public service, getting paid, at the time, 47 years ago, probably wasn't even getting six figures.
		Now he's a millionaire.
		I get it, maybe in the past four years he did book deals and speaking tours and stuff, but this is somebody who made wealth off of public service.
		I'm not a fan of that.
		More importantly, in response, finally Joe Biden responds to these emails, and he was like, first of all he goes, it's really nuts, these journalists are terrified to even ask him questions, it's pathetic.
		And then he's like, you know, he was asked, did your son make money off the family name?
		That's untrue, that's a smear!
		And then The Daily Caller plays the clip from last year where Hunter Biden's like, he gets asked by a journalist, do you think you would have been put on the board of Burisma if your name wasn't Biden?
		And he goes, I don't know.
		I don't know.
		Probably not.
		There's probably a lot of things in my life that I, you know, he said probably every part of my life has been influenced by the fact that I'm, you know, the son of the vice president or whatever.
		So, of course, the only reason they hired the guy, and it's like it's in the correspondence, he knows it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's even talked about leveraging his name to get more money, like, I can talk to the big guy, if you know what I mean.
		So, correct me if I'm wrong, because you probably followed a lot of this with the Michael Flynn stuff.
		I remember reading that, I think it was Sally Yates, Someone said they were really concerned about Michael Flynn when he said Russia isn't our biggest threat, China is.
		And that prompted them to start spying and investigating him and whatever.
		But he was right.
		Yeah.
		Even Obama called Russia what a regional power.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now all of a sudden Russia is the most powerful villain on the planet?
unidentified		Oh, please.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And remember what he said to Romney too in the debates.
		Romney was talking about why Russia is our biggest geopolitical foe,
		and Obama laughs at him and he goes, take your Cold War ideology, this, that, and the other
		thing and get rid of it.
		Like it's...
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		The 1980s are calling.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the 80s are calling and they want their foreign policy back.
		Like this is...
		Like Russia was never...
		Post-Cold War, Russia has never been that big of an issue.
		Don't get me wrong.
		I can't even believe I'm saying that as someone who's like a pretty committed Russia hawk.
		But it's insane the way that they can blow them up into a boogeyman and a bad guy who's hiding behind every rock, who is out there waiting in the wings to disrupt whatever it is.
		And at the end of the day, all that does is help Russia.
		If you follow the case out, all that does, if all of us are sitting here scared by Russia, you know who's just had an incredible return on their investment?
		Russia.
		Putin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have a really good idea.
		I want to animate a little cartoon where it's Brian Stelter with a push broom and he's like, you know, trying to clean up and there's little Putins running around and he's like trying to, you know, shuffle them out of the room and he's like, you know, puts his hands on his hips like... Amazing.
		Little Putin's running around and they're like knocking things over and making a mess and he's like, oh, yeah, that'd be funny That's good.
		It's it's it's a more hokey and family-friendly version of where they actually live I think to them it's more like Slenderman.
		You remember Slenderman?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know what that was?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was like a game I guess or I don't know it was a creepypasta and then there was like a game where yeah You're like walking around this really nightmarish looking woods and then all of a sudden you turn around and Slenderman Slenderman is right there in front of you and you're like,
		ah, that's what it's like for them You know, they're like, you know, they open their
		refrigerator to put the milk away and Putin's in there Because easy right? Yeah, it's uncomplicated right? I think
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		when like if you if you've got a weight into the China stuff
		It becomes a lot harder. You've got an ascended power We don't really know what to do where we're entangled with
		them in so many different ways Russia's easy Russia's been the bad guy for 60 70 years
		like since the end of World War two Russia has always been a super
		Give me a bad guy And all you have to do is plug it into the James Bond sort
		of mentality of like look these are the same bad guys This is the Cold War redux where it's happening all over again.
		And I think part of it is they just got hooked.
		Like, it happened once and it worked, right?
		They were able to sell the American people, unfortunately, really, really well and really, really convincingly that it is Russia, they're the bad guy, they're the threat, and they're not going away.
		And so now, when something new comes out, it's so easy to just take that idea and drop it right into this narrative they've already gotten.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is really great interaction between the Washington Examiner's chief congressional correspondent, Suzanne Ferrecchio, I'm probably pronouncing her name wrong, torches Brian Stelter for dismissing Hunter Biden news, defending Russia coverage.
		This is really, really, really interesting.
		So we have this tweet from the Washington Examiner, where Ferrecchio, it says, discusses media's treatment of the Steele dossier versus Hunter Biden's email.
		Saying, now we have ethics?
		Oh, okay.
		And Brian Stelter of CNN goes, don't you dare.
		Don't you act like newsrooms didn't have ethics in 2017 and 18.
		They didn't!
		And you know who doesn't now?
		Brian Stelter.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That dude is one of the most unethical and duplicitous people on TV.
		And I've made his acquaintance on several occasions.
		And it's amazing how far he's gone in taking this role at CNN.
		He's effectively gone from a media critic of the New York Times to a reality TV show about how the Russians are out to get you, and Donald Trump is evil, and that's all the show is.
		He brings on echo chamber personalities.
		He doesn't bring anyone to challenge his worldview.
		I'll tell you, to be honest, I've been trying to book leftists to come on the show.
		They don't do it.
		They won't.
		They love to publicly say, like, I'll go on your show, and then privately, actually, I don't go on your show.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We've got one for next week.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we do?
unidentified		We do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, excellent.
		Well, don't say who it is, because then they'll cancel.
		They'll get attacked by people.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, I would like to have a challenge, you know, or at least different perspectives.
		I don't care where they come from.
		Now, all they do on CNN is regurgitate the same talking points, and Brian Sauter will be like, so this is Russia, isn't it?
		And that's absolutely correct, Brian.
		This is 100% Russia.
		And we have a conservative here, and the conservative goes, I'm actually a conservative, though I support Joe Biden, and I also agree it was Russia.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		The range of perspectives is like the super apologetic Lincoln Project out to Che Guevara or so, and it doesn't make sense to me.
		Getting back to the Steele dossier points, I think this is a good one.
		Don't forget, too, it wasn't just that the Steele dossier was accurate or that it was valuable or it was good.
		They made this thing into a reality TV show itself.
		Jane Mayer had that super long piece in the New Yorker, New York Mag, where she talked all about Christopher Steele's background.
		They made a hero out of this guy.
		Not everything!
		All of it!
		I remember, because I obviously have a thread on this, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we've got to slow down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Probably a lot of people don't know what the Steele Dossier is.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Good, you're right.
		So, Steele Dossier, way back when, in the early aughts of 2015-2016, which oddly, I can't believe I'm saying this, seems like simpler times, right?
		At least there wasn't a global pandemic.
		I don't know.
		I think things were simpler.
		The Clinton campaign reached out to a former MI5, so British intelligence, individual named Christopher Steele, who as part of a team of individuals pulled together what was meant to be originally an oppo doc that then I think the Republicans got their hand in.
		This guy Steele basically got contractors by Clinton.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was like to smear Trump.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Background, it was supposed to be damaging background on Trump.
		And so when it first broke news, BuzzFeed was the one who got their hands on the content and they pretty, you know, unscrupulously pushed all of this out.
		Steele at the time, I guess kind of to his credit, said, listen, I can't speak for all of the underlying allegations here.
		I think whenever you pull together a dossier like this, you're relying on secondhand sources.
		You don't know the veracity of all the information that might live here, but I think it's probably 85% true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't in the Steele dossier like accusations that Donald Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		This is where the pee tape comes from.
		This is where the pee tape comes from.
		And it was the bed that, if you remember the story, this was the bed that Michelle and Barack Obama
		slept in when they were there too.
		Like it's, again, like we laugh at it now because it's so palpably absurd.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I laughed back then.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But it's insane because so many people, particularly in the media, they bought it.
		And there were so many people too who would look at it and say,
		well, maybe the pee tape isn't true.
		But the rest of this stuff, all this underlying information,
		he said that he was in Russia.
		He was in Russia.
		And this is where you get.
		You've got all of these unsubstantiated allegations floating around.
		A lot of them sound bad.
		No kidding.
		It's oppo research.
		The whole point is that it's supposed to sound bad.
		And the guy in charge of pulling it all together says, I don't know if all this is true, but our entire media ecosystem, because this was in the hot and heady days right after the 2016 election.
		Turbocharged all that directly into the mainstream narrative about Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like a circle of jerks were spreading information among each other.
		Very much like a certain individual who recently enjoyed a CNN analyst who enjoyed a bit of personal tubing.
		So check it out.
		This, uh, from, uh, Suzanne, um, or Susan, uh, Ferretchio from The Examiner is criticizing the media for not taking the Hunter Biden laptop seriously.
		There's, there's photos of Hunter Biden with his dad on Air Force Two.
		Like, we know he went, we know he was on the board of BRISMA.
		So now he's accused of being corrupt, okay?
		Well, the guy who founded BRISMA was corrupt.
		They're, like, at the very least, Joe Biden's son was on the board of a company that was founded by a super corrupt dude who has fled the country now twice.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		There's at least a little bit of corroboration that maybe we can ask about what Hunter Biden was doing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a smear.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He did nothing wrong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Giuliani just put basically his career on the line.
		His entire, I mean, what would you call his legacy?
		Everything that he's done is now on the line.
		He said that there was illegal stuff on there involving Hunter Biden.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now we're getting into the bad stuff.
		Let's go for it.
		Let's pull it up.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		From the Examiner.
		Washington Examiner.
		Rudy Giuliani says he sent alleged sexually explicit materials involving underage girls from Hunter Biden to Delaware police.
		This is the Examiner.
		So here's what we know.
		Giuliani said he did it.
		And is that news in and of itself?
		Well, just the news reached out to the police and the police said we did forward the materials to the FBI.
		I'm sorry, the State Department of Justice.
		Does it mean we have evidence?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does it mean Hunter Biden is guilty?
		No, he's innocent until proven guilty.
		And I haven't seen anything.
		Now, the challenge with this is no one's going to publish any explicit photographs of an underage.
		It's just not going to happen.
		So the question now is like, what do we do 13 days out from an election with this material?
		So it's there.
		I mean, let me read a little bit.
		They say, Rudy Giuliani said on Tuesday that he shared allegedly explicit materials involving underage girls from Hunter Biden with police in Delaware.
		The text messages and photos discussed by Giuliani, a personal lawyer to President Trump and former New York City mayor, appear to have been found in a laptop hard drive that purportedly belonged to Hunter Biden.
		Blah, blah, blah.
		Those computer materials are already in possession of the FBI.
		Quote, there's a text message to Hunter's father in which he says the following, and he's discussing his sister-in-law, who for quite some time was his lover, Giuliani told Newsmax.
		Setting up the background for the exchange, he says, she told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate.
		This would be with an unnamed 14-year-old girl, and that's what Biden was apparently saying.
		Now, I wanna stop there.
		Hunter is saying to Joe, she accused me of this.
		That doesn't mean he was accused of it, doesn't mean there's any photos, so we don't know for sure.
		And that's what Giuliani has actually shown.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Giuliani, if there was photos, he's not gonna hold up a photograph for a camera.
		So it is a conundrum, but I'll tell you this.
		I don't believe, no matter what you think of Rudy Giuliani, he's fabricating these things.
		I'm willing to bet he gave some stuff to the police.
		Now the question is, how serious is it?
		We won't know.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And here's the thing too, like the idea that it's fabricated, right?
		Even setting aside anyone's personal feelings about Giuliani, that would be a felony.
		And not just any felony, like that would catch him in an enormous amount of very, very public legal penalty and legal problem.
		And so the idea that he would make all this up and fabricate it, like somebody, he's gotta be smart enough to know that if he does that, someone will find it.
		Someone will find it in the end.
unidentified		Maybe.
unidentified		Right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		But think about this.
		You know, James O'Keefe brought this up, that it feels like the New York Times and these media outlets are smearing him with outright and obvious lies because we got two weeks to the election, so just let her rip and deal with it later.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, because that's the thing.
		If you want, whether you're in the media or whether you're in politics or whatever it is, if you want Biden to win, now is not the time to be curious.
		Right?
		You don't want to be curious about any of this.
		And so I think, you know, there's a little bit of a, the ends justify the means, I think, going on in a lot of people's heads, where even the idea, like, let's say, and I don't think this will happen, but let's say it all comes out to be bunk.
		It's all fake.
		If you're a journalist at the New York Times or CNN, and you start poking around and start raising the profile of this thing, and it actually is disinformation, again, no evidence that it is, but in these people's minds, if it's disinformation, then they're doing what Comey did last cycle.
		They're giving weight to people to vote Against Biden in the run-up to an election, and they're too scared to even touch it, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they report on it, in any capacity, it's out there.
		And you're not going to reach every single person, so the media, being at this point an apparatus of the Democratic Party, is just shutting up.
		Whereas an actual news outlet's gonna be like, I don't care when it is.
		I don't care what's happening.
		Let's talk about this story.
		So my position's been basically, is this dirty politics?
		Oh, you betcha.
		They're releasing this information in October on purpose.
		They want to help Trump win.
		Does that mean Hunter Biden is innocent?
		No, this is pretty damning information.
		And Joe Biden seems to be involved in these pay-for-play kind of things.
		I think they wait until the very last minute to influence an election, because that's what they do.
		That's what Hillary Clinton was doing with OPPO research and the Steele dossier.
		It's dirty politics.
		Now, what are we as citizens supposed to do when we find out at the very last minute, the 11th hour, that Joe Biden might be selling his name, using his son as an intermediary to bypass laws?
		Potentially a loophole.
		Oh, man.
		Don't vote for him, I guess.
		That's the first thing you do.
		And so there's a question of, is it good that they waited this long so that it's fresh in our minds?
		Because if they publish this information months ago, everyone will forget about it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it'd be buried by now.
		No debate moderator is going to touch it.
		It's going to go down the memory hole and we're all going to forget about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now Trump's going to bring it up tomorrow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Trump, we want to talk to you about Black Lives Matter and he's going to go, Hunter Biden's laptop has photographs of underage... The problem is, if he did, that doesn't have anything to do with Joe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In my opinion, if Hunter is a scheming narcissist, a dirty, underage, girl-doing guy, It's not Joe Biden.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But if Biden's involved with Burisma, that's a problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the CEFC is the bigger deal in my opinion.
		That's the Chinese.
		They went under, my understanding is.
		The thing about Burisma is that they've tried to debunk this to an uptenth degree.
		It's like, you know, oh, Joe was doing it because the international community thought
		Shoken was bad or whatever.
		And I'm like, yeah, okay, how about the China email?
		I saw this one dude I know, he posted, Joe Biden may be meeting an executive from Ukrainian company is the worst October surprise I've ever seen.
		And it's responded with, the best I've seen was the email indicating Joe Biden was using his son as an intermediary to receive Chinese equity through a loophole, essentially.
		That's the big, that's the crazy.
		But I'll tell you what, if Joe Biden came out when this email dropped and these emails dropped, when the laptop dropped and the emails dropped, and he said, I think everybody knows at this point that I have a troubled son, and I think many people in this country have dealt with addiction and struggled through that, and they understand what it's like to have a loved one who does as well, and I would respect, you know, ask for privacy, and then if he actually was honest, addressed it, wasn't angry and snapping, no, you're lying!
		No, you're smearing me!
unidentified		Rawr!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he actually just, he owned up to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It would have worked in his favor.
unidentified		Agreed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He would have been a sympathetic dad who's got his troubled kid that he's trying, and you know what, man?
		He really could have played it up if he said, Hunter's his only son now, right?
		Because after Beau passed.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		After Beau passed, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If he said, I had a son, Beau Biden, who passed, it was cancer, I believe, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he says, and now my only child has these addictions, these problems, and is struggling, and I'm doing everything in my power to keep him safe and protect him, and it's causing great struggles through my family, and I will do anything for my son.
		That would have been sympathetic.
		People would have been like, this poor guy.
		This poor guy.
		And there's so many people in this country who probably can sympathize with having a messed up kid, but knowing they still love him and will do anything for him.
		Instead, what's ended up happening with Joe Biden is he snaps at reporters, he refuses to take questions, and it makes it seem like he's the mastermind using his son to make cash.
		Yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And he's obviously denigrating reporters too, right?
		This happened with Beau What's-His-Face from CBS.
		It would be one thing if he said, hey, you know what?
		That's not appropriate.
		And then jumped into what you had just mentioned, right?
		And talked about a very, unfortunately and tragically American story about what it's like to have a loved one who's battling addiction.
		You're right, that's the sort of thing that millions and millions and millions of Americans
		can relate to in a deeply sympathetic way.
		But the fact is, he clams up, he shuts down, and he gets mad at a reporter for even having
		the gall to ask.
		And it does, it makes it look like he's got something to hide because the...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think he does.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, Biden's been in public life for 47 years.
		He's answered, probably not lately, but he's answered tough questions in front of the media.
		He's been media trained.
		There's a super easy way to pivot.
		And the fact that he's not taking it as someone seeking the highest office in the land, it does smell bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can say there's two different ways to look at it.
		One, he's lost it.
		He's lost his edge.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Also a good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The dude's 78 now, or is he still 77?
unidentified		77.
unidentified		I don't know his birthday is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't have it anymore, you know?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of things we're not allowed to talk about, right?
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His age?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, it's his mental health and his son's emails.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right, right, right.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Those are the two off-topics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you, man.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And Tara Reade.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I want to talk about that.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tara Reade.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rape.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Allegedly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sexually assaulted.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Assault.
unidentified		Well, whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, listen, listen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm 34 and I skateboard all the time.
		And it's funny when, like, people comment and they're like, man, Tim, for someone in your 30s, you still got it.
		And I'm like, dude, when I was 19, I would jump off a building and, like, bounce on the ground and then get back up and be like, yeah.
		I'm 34 and I'm not doing that.
		I'm skating ramps.
		It's easier on the knees and stuff.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen.
		Skateboarding is something you can do really, really well when you're in your late teens and early 20s.
		And then every skateboarder knows when you're in your 30s, you kind of chill out a little bit.
		But there are some pro skaters who are still in their 50s and they're doing really, really well.
		But we all understand how sports works.
		How long do you play football or basketball for?
		Joe Biden is 77.
		He's not sharp anymore.
		He can't handle this.
		So maybe he used to be able to handle tough questions, and now he can't.
		So he gets bits of... You know what it is?
		When people's brains don't work and they can't recall, and they feel constrained by their lack of ability, they get angry.
		They get angry.
unidentified		Right?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I see this with men a lot, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With dementia, right?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		With dementia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can only imagine how frustrating it is to be standing there and you're like, think, why can't I think?
		Why can't I... What do I say?
		I'm just sick of this!
unidentified		No!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shut your mouth!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And in front of the whole world, too, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's not like he's just a guy going about his life or whatever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's also a plagiarist.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He dropped out because he got caught plagiarizing in his presidential bid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the Johnny Carson thing?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a really great bit from... What did Carson host?
		The Tonight Show?
		Late show?
		I don't know.
		He's like, did you see this?
		Joseph Biden's dropped out after he was caught plagiarizing.
		He apparently took some words from a British politician, used them as his own.
		And well, to reassure his staff, he said, listen, there's nothing to fear, but fear itself.
		So good.
		Classic.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Back when stand-up was good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then, didn't Biden recently... No, no, yeah, he's been plagiarizing a lot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't there something recently he did?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was scratching my brain for that, too.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Canadian polish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me go back to the first point I was trying to make about the emails, is that he may just be dull and unable, and it's really frustrating to, like, not be able to do it anymore.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the other thing may be that he's in on it, and he knows what he was doing, and he's freaking out!
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And so he's getting asked, and he's like, Shut your mouth!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I mean, that's the thing too, like it's, it looks like, I think that obviously it all looks bad, but can you imagine if anyone in good faith in the media or whatever it is, if they actually thought that this was something that was, that was a non-story, if they actually spent some time to, to look into it, I think one of the reasons it looks so bad and him looking frustrated looks so bad is everyone is saying, don't look, don't look in the corner, don't look in the corner.
		And so what are your eyes going to do?
		They're going to drive into the corner.
		Like there's nothing else for them to do.
		And so when you have this concerted effort around it to make sure that no one is looking at this thing that like, I don't know, it's the 800 pound elephant in the room.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know what the media is looking at right now?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rudy Giuliani.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tucking in his shirt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, they're trying to smear Giuliani.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is amazing.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		The Russia thing fell apart, that's why.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, here's what's fascinating.
		There's illicit, illicitly obtained footage of Giuliani, and there's a photo that was published where he's leaning back on a bed with his hand, like, partially down his pants.
		And I was reading the story and it said, because these news outlets want to insinuate something, but they struggle to because they'll get sued.
		And it said Giuliani laid back and fiddled with his untucked shirt.
		As if to imply what?
		The photos make it look, they're trying to make it seem like Giuliani got caught by Sacha Baron Cohen trying to like hook up with a young journalist or something in a hotel room, when in reality he was tucking in his shirt.
		He did an interview, they took the mic off, and when they mic you up they have to put it through your shirt, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So he probably had to untuck a piece of his shirt, run the mic up the lapel.
unidentified		Makes sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Put on his jacket.
		And then when they took it down, he was leaning back, an old fat man, you know, tucking his shirt in.
		Then they used that to make it seem like he was doing something else.
		So here's what's funny.
		Giuliani says, I've got text messages.
		Here's an email.
		And they go, well, we don't know if this is true.
		And then Sacha Baron Cohen goes, I am Barrett and here is Giuliani.
		And then they're all like, everybody look at Giuliani!
		He's getting naked or something.
unidentified		Something.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it's the entire media who just lectured us for a really long time about how we have to wait for things to shake out and wait for more evidence to develop, or else it might be someone who is deliberately trying to mislead us, can 100% jump the shark as soon as it becomes convenient for them, right?
		And I think this is why, you know, we brought up the Steele dossier earlier.
		I think this is why a lot of conservatives look at these, hey, don't look at the man behind the curtain and say, you've never cared about this before.
		When have you once showed even a tiny, tiny modicum of reservation before accepting a story when it's helpful and convenient for you, and they just did it again!
		They're in the middle of ignoring another story that matters, and they jump the shark on something else that is very clearly tied to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think?
		Like, the Democratic Party and the establishment left.
		It seems to be a chicken running around with its head cut off, right?
		And I don't think anybody cut its head off.
		Trump didn't do it.
		Trump came because they were frantic and spastic.
		I think maybe the establishment politics of this country just eventually lost its will and strength.
		And maybe it's Hillary Clinton's fault.
		Like, maybe instead of the Democrats finding a strong, charismatic leader to carry the party forward, Hillary demanded it, and she wasn't the person who was supposed to lead them, and that resulted in a substantive weakening of what the left was.
		And so the reason I bring this up is, I'm thinking about Sacha Baron Cohen and what he's trying to do, and I think ten years ago... Like, when was Borat?
		When did it first come out?
		It was, look...
		Back in the days of Jon Stewart, you had very smart, liberal individuals who, in good faith, mocked things that were ludicrous.
		And, you know, Jon Stewart, I mentioned this before the show, but he's even praised Project Veritas back in the day.
		And James O'Keefe, I think he may have tweeted about it at some point.
		James, uh, uh, uh, John Stewart was like, they did good journalism, they exposed this.
		And he even showed, like, the Acorn investigation Veritas did, and he was like, tell me this does not get worse.
		And he uncritically was showing Veritas, like, this is, this is, this is amazing stuff.
		Today, after John Stewart leaves, After Obama leaves in 2016, there is a power vacuum in the Democratic Party and the establishment left in this country where there's no charisma anymore.
		Hillary Clinton certainly didn't have any.
		And then they started creating all of these plastic versions of Jon Stewart.
		So John Oliver, Jordan Klepper, Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah.
		They do not understand what made The Daily Show fun and interesting and exciting.
		So now what you get is, and looping back to Sacha Baron Cohen, it's, I don't know, make fun of conservatives, I guess?
		And people like it?
		So what's happened is they've created this political structure based on people with low information individuals who don't do research, who don't read news, who literally get their news from Trevor Noah or John Oliver.
		When people were getting their news from Jon Stewart, it was kinda bad.
		But it wasn't that bad because Jon Stewart still would show you Veritas and uncritically be like, can you believe this stuff?
		So you were getting your news in a fun and interesting way where someone was being funny.
		To replicate this, B-tier individuals who didn't have the charisma or talent of someone like Stewart looked at his show and misunderstood what made it interesting.
		And they said, you know what he does?
		He makes fun of conservatives.
		So you end up now with these like, look at John Oliver, I love this.
		John Oliver, when his show, Last Week Tonight, first started airing when it first came out, it was always blowing up on Reddit and getting upvoted to crazy every single time.
		And then one day, it slowly started going down and people were posting it less and upvoting it less.
		And I noticed in the comments, people were saying, dude, all of his jokes, his shows, are the exact same show with different proper nouns.
		He would do the exact same thing.
		And that's why the meme of current year Little Timothy, it's current year!
		Because they took one Stuart joke, wrote it out, and said, replace this and this and this, and we have a story.
		And so that's what the show was.
		So what happens when you create a bunch of knockoff plastic versions of what was once charismatic and entertaining to the left, you get something boring and unwatchable.
		But the low information individuals who like shows like Big Bang Theory with laugh tracks, no offense to Big Bang Theory viewers, but it's like it's you watch a show with a laugh track because they tell you when to laugh.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You watch John Oliver because he tells you when the joke is because the joke is at the same point every single time.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're not getting real information anymore.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And you know you're never gonna be the butt of the joke, right?
		And I think that's one of the keys for someone like Oliver.
		In a way that Stuart, like, he was always happy to be a circular firing squad.
		He'd take shots at anyone, he'd take shots at himself, whatever it is.
		But I think one of the reasons why so many people, particularly right now when things are really scary for a lot on the left, are so drawn to a format like that is they are always the good and righteous one, and the person being laughed at is always someone else whom they don't like, and honestly, at the end of the day, they probably don't know.
		I think one of my favorite anecdotes that I always come back to is there was a journalist who did an interview with other journalists about the number of people who they knew who owned a Ford F-150, the biggest selling car in the country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't know anybody.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		They didn't know anybody.
		It was like, it was like, it was like one in 15 journalists or something knew someone who had an F-150.
		Whereas everyday Americans, it's like one in one.
		Right.
		And so when you've got this, uh, small and now narrowing group of people who are all laughing at the same joke over and over again, within what is essentially a coddled safe space where they know it's never going to be them.
		Nothing they do could ever be wrong.
		It becomes like it's comfort food for them rather than something that's entertaining.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going there.
		Jeffrey Toobin.
		Cranking one out.
		And here's why I'm bringing this up in this context.
		The BuzzFeed article, when they said, who among us?
		And I'm like, most, listen, these journalists, they all live in New York.
		BuzzFeed, Vox, all these progressives.
		You can probably walk a block and be at the next office for the next digital blog.
		Political blog.
		Lefty progressive blog.
		They all hang out with each other.
		They all know each other.
		They have things called journo-lists.
		Do you remember this scandal where the journalists would be on all these different companies?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		They were called journo-lists.
		And I think it was made by the Vox guy.
		I'm not entirely sure.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Sounds right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so what you have is 200 New York-based journalists all sharing information and creating an echo chamber among themselves where they're talking about what they think is happening and they have no idea what's really happening.
		So when you say they don't know anybody who has a Ford F-150, which is like the top-selling vehicle or whatever, I understand the point you're trying to make, and I think the Jeffrey Toobin thing is a better point.
		That they would post an article thinking it was funny to say that they whack off during business meetings.
		And I'm like, do you think that's relatable to the hard-working, you know, carpenter, or electrician, or plumber?
		I'm pretty sure plumbers has never occurred to them that during work they could crank one out.
		I mean, maybe some weirdos.
unidentified		Oh, for sure it has.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen, here's what I'm saying.
		When I heard that story, and I'm like, I know they're not really serious, but they thought it would be funny to be like, come on, weren't you in a business call and you did something?
		And I'm like, I take my work very seriously.
		I haven't done anything.
		In the article they're saying things like, you've muted it to do something, you've gone to the bathroom or whatever.
		I'm like, I've never done anything like that.
		I will leave the computer and say, hey guys, I gotta go, I'll call back in a few minutes if I have to go to the bathroom or something.
		If I'm on a business call, I'm on a business call.
		But what you get from here is, first of all, they think it's relatable to claim they whack off during business meetings.
		Okay, if that's funny to them, I get it.
		I'm laughing at them, not with them.
		They think everyone who reads that article is laughing with them, like, we all do it!
		No, that's just you weirdos in New York with weird problems.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And weird friends, right?
		Because I think the other thing, the other reason it's so funny is they can probably look at all seven of their friends and say, hey, you guys all do this too?
		It's like, oh, look, all seven of us do this.
		I'm sure everyday Americans are the exact same way.
		And I think it's one of an innumerable number of different cases where people in the media
		are really, really bad at generalizing out what an everyday American looks like.
		And so you saw, I think this is why Trump caught everyone by surprise.
		Because you had a whole lot of journalists who looked at all their friends, and none of their friends
		were voting for Trump.
		So how could there be people out there?
unidentified		Yes.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And you saw, like you remember right after the 2016 election, the New York Times did like, they had this big push where they were gonna go out to the heartland and it's hysterical.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's like, if you remember those videos of British explorers contacting the uncontacted tribes in the Brazilian rainforest?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the name of the guy who does those, David Attenborough?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, David Attenborough.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's like they are David Attenborough and they're like... Nicolas Christophe finds a wild Trump supporter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly!
		Cleaning his Ford F-150.
		Yeah, exactly!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And in reality they're at a bar in Pittsburgh and they're like, do they have running water here?
		I don't know, this is so bizarre!
		And it's true, it's easy I think for most normal people to laugh at, but it's a community of people who are really unbelievably insular, and even their closest concentric circles going outward Are also very, very insular.
		And so when they think of a Trump voter, it's like, oh yeah, I guess I do have that one racist uncle with a big Trump sign in his yard.
		I'm like, that's it.
		That's all they can conceptualize.
		And so it becomes really easy to paint people within those narratives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've never been to a suburb.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		This really reminds me of what the author of The Hunger Games is talking about when she talked about the Capitol.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Very much talking about the elite.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		My favorite books.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I know.
		I love them.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, you know.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		You know.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I freaking love them.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And she talks about the elites and the people who, while other people were starving, she would talk about how they would have to make themselves throw up so they could eat more.
unidentified		Yes.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And they would have all this color in their hair.
unidentified		Drink this.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll make you throw up so you can eat more.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		So you can eat more.
unidentified		Yeah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Like, who among us hasn't wacked up in a meeting?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Those of us who actually care about work.
		Who among us hasn't dyed our hair green while the city is being bombed to rubble?
		I mean, it happens all the time in the capital, don't you remember?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember when I first set foot in a news office, a digital blog.
		So when I was 18, I got a job with American Eagle Airlines.
		I was loading baggage into planes, lifting between 30 and 50 thousand pounds per day.
		Doing manual labor, getting calluses and all that, and getting paid ten bucks an hour.
		And I was lucky to take home a couple hundred bucks, you know, every other week or whatever, pay my bills, and it was a struggle.
		I wasn't making enough to cover rent.
		It was really tough.
		And then, you know, I ended up getting a job and slowly started making my way through life, doing better and better.
		Then I went to Occupy Wall Street, I got some notoriety, and eventually I got interest from a company and said, we want to hire you to come into our newsroom.
		And I said, okay.
		And I remember the first time I stepped foot in that newsroom and I saw these people literally doing nothing.
		And I said, how much do these people make?
		And they were like, you know, it was Vice to be honest, so not a whole lot.
		People were getting maybe like $35,000 to $50,000, depending on the job they were doing.
		And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, $35,000 a year to do what?
		Well, he writes about, you know, he writes like snarky articles about like doing drugs and like having sex.
		And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
		Like, you got a guy.
		Who comes in whenever he wants, sometimes doesn't even come in, who publishes a couple articles per week or whatever, from other people who submit them, and he's getting paid double what I got doing backbreaking labor.
		Amazing.
		These people in these ivory tower jobs get paid double or triple what actual working class people get paid.
		And they write garbage nonsense.
		And the best part, many of them write about like communism, like Teen Vogue.
		Didn't Teen Vogue just call for abolishing capitalism or something?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Teen Vogue weirdly has taken like this kind of like, like 1970s Central America view on economics and how it works, which is like, it's my understanding.
		Like the reason teen is in the title of it is that it's, it's for children, right?
		It is very bizarre.
		Like they had like a glossy piece on Antifa and what they're really going for.
		They had the anti-capitalism piece.
		It's...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember the pro-Marx one they did?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That was so amazing.
		It was like on his birthday or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Teen Vogue was like Karl Marx and like praising him.
		And I'm like, this is hilarious, dude.
		But it's funny to us, but it's actually kind of scary if you think about it.
		Yeah.
		Like you've got some dumb 14 year old being like, Karl Marx is so cool.
		He like, he wants to seize the means of production.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's like the coolest thing ever.
		Right.
		And do you remember how impressionable you were at 14?
		Like, dude, I would believe to anything at 14.
		And like all, and this is, I think why rightly, conservatives have really started to wake up of late
		to the risk and the danger of government schools and like the sorts of things that kids learn
		day in and day out.
		Cause you're up taking that stuff super casually.
		It's flow and it's, you're taking it up as history or science or math or whatever it is.
		And you just think that it's true.
		In the same way that if you're a 13-year-old kid, you pop open Teen Vogue, and in between how to do your hair and how to put on makeup or whatever, you have this glowing piece on Karl Marx and the benefits of seizing the means of production.
		It goes up with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You ever read Cosmo?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like how it's like, it tells you to do really awful things that no one likes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like when you're in your bed with your boyfriend, try using a steak knife.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, whoa, what?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		What do you take from writing this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's, it's, it's, I bring that up because I think Teen Vogue definitely, and publications like it, got indoctrinated.
		Yeah.
		in a sense where they hired people who had these weird views who then tried pushing this politics.
		But I also think it's it's algorithmic. It's it's the kind of content that feeds into preconceptions
		and will generate clicks, generate controversy. Of course we're talking about him now.
		Yeah.
		So that's good and you know the haters who like Karl Marx and communism are gonna be like,
		I'm gonna go check out Teen Vogue and maybe I'll enjoy it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		And it's going to come across the radars of other people because, I don't know, someone like you or I retweets it and they're like, look how dumb this is!
		And all that matters to them is they're getting the views, they're getting the eyeballs, they're getting the ad dollars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the way I view the media is like, we're in this big pool of water and there's a maelstrom that they've all been sucked into where they're spinning around in circles, feeding each other BS.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we're watching them go crazy.
		And we're over here like, what?
		These poor people are trapped in this psychotic, paranoid, delusional world of Russia and this other, you know, whacking off on camera or something like it's a normal thing.
		They're separated from the rest of us.
		And you know, I have to go back to this example.
		If you've listened to my content, you've probably heard me bring it up several times, but it is the best possible example ever of how Trump knows this and Trump manipulates this and Trump knows the regular people better than these media companies do.
		Do you remember in the first 2015-16 cycle when Trump had a very expensive steak cooked well done with ketchup?
		And what was the media's response?
		They mocked him.
		They belittled him.
		They laughed at him.
		What kind of Dry-aged steak, uncultured, and then I can just imagine
		what it must have been like for my family when we were getting those dollar
		T-bones that were garbage from Walmart And so we cooked them through and slopped ketchup on them
		because we couldn't afford anything else To be one of those working-class people who's making half
		You're 45, you got a family, and you make half the amount of money as some college grad
		You know, writing about Brad Pitt's junk And then they start insulting you and your family saying
		haha you moron eating your garbage steak with ketchup. You're pathetic
		And you're like, that guy up there, he eats the kind of steak I do.
		These people who are writing in the news, they just think they're better than me.
		That was it for a lot of people.
		And then you see the lies.
		So Trump really... I don't know if it was on purpose, or Trump just likes eating steak with ketchup.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the thing.
		At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, right?
		All that matters is that people believe a certain thing to be true.
		A whole bunch of people, like every other excuse they take, they jump down Trump's throat for it.
		And all he has to do is step back and let the circling firing squad shoot itself out of bullets.
		And he knows it will happen.
		He always knows that it will happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You heard how he walked out on 60 Minutes, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think he did that on purpose.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I think he planned it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		100%.
		He planned it in advance.
		I'm willing to bet.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I'm shocked.
		I saw someone tweeted about this too, but I'm shocked it didn't happen earlier, right?
		It's interesting that this isn't a card he has played sooner, but of course he has.
		He's been very clear about what he thinks the media looks like, and when he says it, it is very relatable to lots and lots of people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So think about this.
		You're right.
		It's almost surprising, in my opinion, that he didn't do it sooner.
		No, he was waiting for just before the election to make a big play.
		Also, think about this.
		He tweeted that he wanted to release the footage.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, let me back up.
		For those that aren't familiar, there was a 60-minute interview CBS.
		Leslie Stahl was going to interview Trump.
		45 minutes in, he storms out, complains about the journalist not wearing a mask.
		Pre-emptive strike.
		Oh, 100%.
		So anything about COVID, he said it about them first.
		Then he said, I, in the interest of transparency, will release this footage so that people can know.
		Wait, wait, wait.
		He was filming it?
		Trump went into that interview with his people filming the 60 Minutes interview.
		He planned the whole thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People don't realize that 60 minutes in these traditional news programs edit.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I love seeing the unedited versions when they, when you do get some undercover camera.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Was it undercover?
		He filmed it.
		He's going to release it.
		He said he'll publish it.
		He should.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And this is the thing too.
		I think one of the things like, you know, everyone in the business, I'm sure would sit there and be like, Oh, I can't believe you do that.
		It's so unethical.
		But to an everyday person, they're like, well, why don't you just run the unedited?
		I think it gets back to a lot of what Trump ends up doing, where if this scares you, if what happened and the full accounting of what happened is something that you don't want to hear, why is that the case?
		And what does it say about you that you are so determined to edit these sorts of things to fit a certain narrative?
		Because I think every day people are going to look back and be like, well, why wouldn't they just play everything that he said?
		Why wouldn't they just run this whole thing through?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what's crazy is that people don't realize, compared to where we are now in terms of long-form podcasting, every single interview that wasn't live ever was edited out of context.
		But the thing was, there was acceptable out-of-context moments for a lot of people.
		So I remember, you know, when I worked for Vice and many other companies, you would be like, we have a 15 minute slot, which means it's actually going to be like 12 and a half or whatever.
		So you do an interview with someone that would be 45 minutes.
		And then here's what happens.
		You'll say something like, you know, when was the last time you baked a batch of chocolate chip cookies?
		And the response would be something like, Wow.
		Well, you know, my mom used to bake cookies like that.
		Well, for me, you know, there's this place I really love that has this great, uh, they've got all the good ingredients.
		But for me, it's been about a week since I baked cookies.
		They'll cut out the whole part about my mom made cookies and I love to go to this boutique shop because they don't feel it's irrelevant.
		They just want, they wanted your answer on how, their question was, when was the last time?
		So they cut out the conversational context that might be really important to someone.
		Now, back in the day, most people would be like, I don't really care.
		They cut the part where I mentioned that my mom used to make cookies.
		But it's still changing the context in a certain way.
		So 60 Minutes might try to be honest, but they do condense and remove very important points.
		Notably, you might have a moment where Trump has asked a question, takes him 15 seconds to answer.
		They'll cut that right out because it's like a waste of time and we can't have dead air.
		But if you watch that, you might be like, whoa, dude can't answer the question.
		This is taking him a long time.
		Or maybe he like looks over at Kayleigh McEnany or something.
		Those things get cut out.
		And so that might be bad for Trump.
		That's just an example.
		They probably do it for Biden.
		Yeah.
		60 Minute condenses this for a show like everybody else.
		They'll probably say, no, no, our standards is that this isn't this.
		But I think about why is it so many people wanted, you know, a debate on Joe Rogan?
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because that would be raw and real.
		And you'd have just this straightforward conversation.
		Go for it.
		You know what I would do if I was debating, if I was moderating a debate between Joe Biden and Trump?
		What?
		You know, former Vice President Biden and President Trump.
		The topic is foreign policy.
unidentified		Have at it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I'd get up and walk away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to see them have a conversation.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want Trump to talk to Biden, not to us.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want Biden to talk to Trump, not to us.
		I want to hear Biden say, no, look man, you know, when you, you, you were over there and you're doing this, you cutting us out of these deals and the Paris agreement.
		And then I want Trump to be like, no, you're nuts.
		What do you know about?
		I want to hear that.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wanna hear them talk to each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't get that.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And here's the thing, most people do too.
		And I think this, again, this is what helped Trump get elected in the first place, was he looked at the American people and said, hey, you know what?
		For a really long time, different people in politics, right and left, in the media, have been keeping something important from you.
		And I'm gonna be here, and we talked about this last time, a bull in a china shop, to come through and just give you everything.
		Knock down all the walls, knock down everything, and it's going to be raw, it's going to be unpleasant and cringeworthy sometimes, but it's going to be about as close to the truth as a good approximation is going to be able to get.
		And so I think that's why when he says, I'm just going to air the clip, I'm just going to play it.
		This is what happened.
		You're going to see it.
		It's the sort of thing where a lot of people, particularly a lot of people who aren't super tapped into the media or super tapped into the news or super tapped into politics are like, wow, yeah, like I've kind of got this perception that I've been lied to and kind of bamboozled here for a long time.
		And even if the truth isn't pretty, I would really like to see that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember when Trump did that interview, sit-down interview with Chris Wallace at the White House?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And everybody said it was bad for Trump and he looked terrible.
		I think they're wrong.
		I think that's the pundit class sitting in their, you know, sitting on their Zoom meetings, whacking off to each other with the camera muted.
		And they don't realize that Trump had a long-form sit-down conversation where he was willing to do it.
		And the fact that he was willing to do it probably is so refreshing to so many people that Trump Could be sitting there in a two hour long conver- This is what his rallies are about!
		He doesn't have a script!
		He just starts talking!
		And so people finally feel like- Let me stop.
		You know what I can't stand more than anything?
		I worked for an environmental non-profit when the Deepwater Horizon disaster happened in the Gulf.
		All that oil spilled.
		And I remember right when it happened, I was like, I know what's gonna happen.
		They're gonna offer up an excuse.
		They're gonna apologize.
		Say it won't happen again.
		They're gonna donate to a non-profit.
		It's gonna be the typical canned response and we're never gonna hear the truth about what really happened or why.
		Their PR company is crafting the plastic message to say that everyone expects it's not real.
		The politicians do it all the time.
		I guarantee you if Eric Swalwell farts on camera, he'll deny it.
		He won't own up to it.
		It will be fake.
		We know you farted, dude.
		Remember that?
		Oh yeah.
		You just gotta be like, eh, people fart, you know?
		It was a mug in studio, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like, of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just be real!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Here's, I think, a big part of it is there are a lot of people in media who would see something like that, the Trump sit-down interview with Matthews, and they'd be like, wow.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Back when I was on the Hill, back when I was prepping someone to go in an interview, that would be a disaster.
unidentified		Right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And it's got nothing to do with the content.
		It's got nothing to do with what he says and whether or not any of it made sense.
		It's, I would never want my boss to be unscripted.
		I used to work on the Hill.
		This is what you do.
		So much of your job is making sure that your maybe crazy boss doesn't go off script because you've got an entire team of people who spend all day developing and designing scripts for what they do and what they say and how that whole narrative flows together.
unidentified		Trump.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		to his, I mean, sometimes definitely not to his credit, but even as someone like me, who's not
		wild about the guy, can admit to his credit, he doesn't have that. And so it's very obviously,
		even when it's not good, it's very obviously real in a way that so many people understand
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		politicians to not be like that. The media is becoming a hyper concentrated extract of that
		plastic reality. Yeah, it was bad enough when a politician would, you know, fart and be like,
		that was not a fart on camera. That was...
		That was a mug in studio.
		And you'd be like, okay, dude, we get it.
		You do your PR message.
		I don't know who buys it.
		But now it's like we have these two extremes where Trump is just this raw guy who says really bombastic things.
		Very often.
		But, you know, it can be refreshing.
		And then you have the media that is so insanely fake.
		It's like ridiculous.
		When you turn it on and they're like, today Russia killed a bunch of innocent children because Russia is evil and you're like, dude, shut up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's because their client, Hillary Clinton, was committing white collar crimes and they don't want to look at it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And ever since 2016 when her emails dropped and she's acid washed, 30,000 emails, destroyed federal property.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The media's turned a blind eye and they're going insane as a result and now they're doing it again with Biden
		Yeah, maybe that's that's why they don't it's why they let comedians that don't target them
		Like you were saying they they're soft comedians that won't they know they're safe because they know they've got that
		like That fear of being found out because they've been backing a
		fraud. Yeah Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Could this all be they're terrified that Hillary Clinton broke serious laws with these emails and whatever the emails reveal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so they're doing everything in their power to stop Trump because if Trump got a clean shot at investigation.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I think so, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Didn't the Durham probe actually dip into the Clinton email scandal?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think they did, yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now, I wonder, you know, Bill Barr said the Durham probe is not going to be resolved before the election.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if that is a play to say, if we don't win, the Democrats are gonna end the investigation, so if you want the investigation to carry on, you better get Trump a victory.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, but I just...
		My worry on something like that is I think there's probably too much inside politics, right?
		I don't know that you can actually run on that in good faith.
		I don't know.
		I don't know what's going to come out from the worm probe.
		I'm definitely interested in hearing about it.
		I wish, selfishly, as someone who I think would like to have more answers rather than fewer to what's going on in the world, it would be really helpful to have that going into the 2016 election for everyone.
		But I don't know.
		At the end of the day, I think that with the Durham probe, with the comedians, with most people, I try and look with a little bit less malice.
		Maybe wrongly.
		But to look at it and say, hey, you know what?
		It's probably... What I think it has to do with is a whole lot of people who see the world in a pretty monochromatic way.
		And all the people who work at CNN, a lot of the people who work at the FBI, unfortunately, most people who work in democratic politics, they have a certain way of viewing the world.
		And in simpler times, it wasn't necessarily bad, it was just different, right?
		And now, there's a little bit of, they're all, in terms of the chicken running around with their head cut off, they're all obviously very worked up and very concerned.
		They have been since Trump happened.
		And to me, a little bit, it's like, imagine watching a silent disco where you're the only one without headphones on, and you have no idea what a silent disco is.
		It's probably very weird and very confusing and a little bit concerning, right?
		You see all these people gyrating and moving around to a tune that you can't hear.
		And I think for people like us, that's kind of what it is.
		And that we end up seeing... We see the dance that they're doing, it's admittedly weird, and it's all in lockstep.
		But I'm not sure that it's necessarily... I'm not sure it's that dark.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whether or not they were able to remove Trump, their intention, they've succeeded in their goal of obstructing him to a ridiculous degree.
		Before Trump was even inaugurated, they were screaming Russia.
		When the Russia investigation started, even during it, I was wondering, what's the point of all of this?
		I entertained it for a while in the beginning, and I was like, if there's something here, then we'll figure out what it is.
		It's fairly important.
		And when it became clear there was nothing, the question was like, what are they doing?
		And then I thought, you know what Trump can't do right now?
		He can't fire these people.
		He can't fire them because they'll call it obstruction of justice.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Like what happened with Comey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So they froze him for three years, basically.
		He could not do a ton of what he wanted to do and get rid of these bureaucrats.
		Then, as soon as he gets through that, Ukraine.
		Same thing starts.
		They would not give him a chance to make any moves.
		And then he started getting rid of some of these people and, you know, making some changes.
		Now, I really wonder if he's gonna win again because they cannot give him a clean four years.
		So, I'm wondering how insane.
		If the Senate flips Democrat, it doesn't matter if Trump wins.
		They'll impeach him.
		Gone.
		Gone.
		They're gonna pack the courts.
		The Republicans will never win again.
		That'll be it.
		One party rule.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I think you're probably right.
		I don't know.
		I guess I have a little bit more optimism, a little more hope in the American people that the packing the courts thing will be tough.
		I think my worry... Why though?
		I don't know.
		I mean, don't get me wrong.
		It's a gut thing.
		It's not a thinking thing.
		But I think my biggest concern with it is that this whole... If Biden wins, particularly if the Senate flips, particularly assuming the Dems probably pick up more seats in the House, All of this goes right back down the memory hole.
		Everything that happened, the three years that Trump and his administration spent having to battle against what turned out to be a lie, right, and something that was deliberately malicious, all of that work gets erased.
		All of it goes back on fire, and we never touch it again, right?
		Like, we're gonna write the history books one day, and that'll be an afterthought.
		And to me, as someone who, like, I didn't just entertain it.
		I had a piece up in the Federalist not too long ago where I talked about, like, I bought it pretty hard.
		I was a Never Trump guy.
		I came into it and I was like, of course he did, right?
		It fit my narrative that he would do something awful and terrible.
		And so I bought it hook, line, and sinker.
		And my worry is there are a lot of other people who haven't snapped out of that yet.
		And if Dems take everything in 2020, no one else is snapping out of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be Russia becomes canon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If the Democrats win, the history books will say for a brief period, Russia controlled the United States.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll just be fact.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But that's literally what they wrote!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I think we sometimes forget, I certainly forget, I end up checking my tweets from two years ago or four years ago, whatever it was, like, Jonathan Chait, for New York Mag, literally wrote, what if Donald Trump has been a Russian asset since 1987?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And then he'd get left out of the room!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what the best part about that insinuation is?
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Soviet Union is secretly still in existence.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		or or this is how this is how smart they are that they're still behind the curtain right like right right right insane and the best part was what should have happened under normal times one his editor probably would have looked at that and be like don't let this anywhere near my esteemed magazine i don't i don't want your your conspiratorial claptrap anywhere near this one seriously Even if it got to print, right?
		Even if, let's say there's a problem with New York Mag or whatever it is and they run with this thing and they let it go, at least he would get laughed out of the room.
		Chris Hayes had him on his show.
		Plenty of people had him on their shows.
		Politico and other magazines were re-upping this and reiterating.
		A year later, John Harwood came out and be like, this is an important day in history because a year ago, Chait's article came out.
		And it's absurd.
		And I think we forget that because now, at least up until recently, the Russia stuff was gone.
		They didn't even talk about it at the DNC.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Adam Schiff brought it back, baby.
		Come on!
		I love how this email comes out, and they're like, it is definitively Russian, you know, intelligence operations, and then Adam Schiff, and all the people are immediately just like, well, one person said it, therefore it's officially historically true, and we're gonna say it a million times, and once again we find ourselves back... You know what I'm gonna say?
		Doesn't this all seem familiar?
		No, no, no, hold on, hold on.
		What happened in September of 2016?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good point.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		FBI, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What happened with a laptop in September of 2016?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anthony Weiner.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		FBI.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		FBI and Anthony Weiner.
		And what images did they find on his laptop?
		Underage messages or something.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What narrative was emerging against Trump?
		Russia.
		I tell you, man, the writers of 2020 are bored.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		They've run out of ideas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're like, can we just do like a, like a total, can we do a duo?
		You know what it is?
		It's a do-over.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's a total do-over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if that's what it is?
		A total do-over?
		And they're like, but this time we're gonna do everything the exact same, but this time Trump loses.
unidentified		Right.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		We're going to flip, we're going to flip, we're going to flip who, we're going to flip the people that we believe, and we're going to flip who wins the election.
		It's just, I think what gets me, and this is why it keeps happening, and the reason it feels so familiar is, there was no accountability.
		We never had any accountability, right?
		Even now, looking back, we can know that these things were wrong, they were malicious, they were lies.
		All of these people still have jobs.
		None of these people have lost the columns that they have.
		Right?
		Like, unless they're, you know, revealing themselves on Zoom these days, like, it is impossible for these guys to lose their job or face any sort of professional repercussions.
		So why wouldn't it happen again?
		Why wouldn't they jump at the next quickest, easiest thing that might look like Russian disinformation to one unnamed source at the FBI, maybe, that you didn't vet anyway?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know the secret of media?
		If you write a shocking and bombastic fake news article that gets a million views, you make money.
		If you then retract it, you make more money on the retraction.
		Although the retraction makes you substantially less, you still put ads on the retraction page.
		So these people know if they put out fake news, they still get paid.
		And so they're incentivized.
		The economic incentive is to pump out fake news.
		And I love it when journalists go like, well, I take issue with that.
		There's no real reason for journalists to lie that way.
		Well, maybe real journalists, but today you just have people desperate for followers on Twitter.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they're all posting the same jokes, they're all posting the same... Like, you know what's interesting is that these journalists live in New York, so they're surrounded by progressive activists.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They want to fit in with the cool kids, so they just say whatever it is the cool kids say.
		Now the journalists are just losers trying desperately to pander to the popular, you know, influencer or whatever.
		Journalists should not try to be influencers.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they're trying to be.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So are politicians.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Right.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But I worry too.
		I agree.
		They definitely are.
		But this to me also gets back a little bit to the emails thing where when Dems,
		like when Adam Schiff and Chris Murphy get up there and say, oh, this is Russian disinformation.
		There's a part of me that's like, okay, like they're political hacks.
		This is what's going to happen.
		I think it's a lot worse.
		And once upon a time, I think we all held a much higher bar for journalists and
		reporters to do that.
		It's one thing when you've got a lefty politician who runs in and says, I want to fit in with the cool progressive kids at that trendy bar in Brooklyn, and it's another when you have someone whose sole occupation it is to bring you something that should be a good approximation of the truth, right?
		The first rough draft of history is what's in the hands of the media, and so when they're the ones who are crafting that narrative and they're chasing the, like, retweet if you agree types of retweets for progressives, It's so much more corrosive, I think, to our body politic when they do that, because the power and the influence that they have to be able to pull in other people who aren't necessarily partisans is a lot more dramatic.
		And so to me, someone like Yamiche is way more dangerous and damaging.
		Yeah, Yamiche Alcindor.
		She's the chief DC correspondent for NPR, who is someone who gets paid an enormous amount of money to be very popular on Twitter and to largely be indistinguishable from any progressive activist who you could imagine.
		But what happens is, when you have people who are progressive activists who are masquerading as someone who is meant to bring you the truth, I think that corrosive influence is way, way more difficult to the rest of us than a Democrat doing it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just want everybody to realize for two seconds.
		Ask yourself, how much money do you make doing your job?
		Now I want you to go to glassdoor.com and look up Ryder at BuzzFeed and Vox and Vice and then when your blood boils, channel that energy into a pot of tea and boil that water and pour yourself a nice glass and sit back and relax and just realize what this world really is.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do it tomorrow Don't do it before bed, you'll get really wound up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree that journalism's doing that is nasty, but I hate lying under oath.
		When politicians lie under oath, or people in our government lie under oath, like James Clapper saying that they were not wittingly spying on the U.S.
		people, and they let him off, and he hasn't been punished for lying under oath for committing perjury.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No justice.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the justice system in the United States.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So if we're not adhering to the justice system, they're going to keep breaking the law.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a big club and you ain't in it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think I am in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, these people are allowed to break the law.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why are they allowed to break the law?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because it's a big club and you ain't in it, buddy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just a mockery of the system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course, but they're above the law.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So we have the best system even though it's terrible?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have problems because for too long, the American people have went, I'm just going to click D or R and walk away and not have any idea who I'm voting for.
		And you end up with 30-year Pelosi and 30-year Schumer and 47-year Biden, and they don't care about you.
		George Carlin, man, that's the guy I grew up listening to.
		They don't care about you.
		They're millionaire cocksuckers who don't care about you.
		That's what he said.
		And he's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And like career CIA people, 40 years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How long has Brennan been in the Ever.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Ever.
		And that's the thing, too.
		Even if you want to look at it, people who go into politics for the right reason or whatever, which, to be clear, very, very few, I would imagine, do this.
		On the whole, as someone who lives in D.C.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rant ball!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like the only guy!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		As someone who lives in D.C., it does seem like there's a certain set of personality characteristics that tends to draw someone to politics, and most of them aren't good things.
		But even if you want to take the best of intentions for a lot of these people, year one, year two, fine. 30 years in, 40 years in, you
		know you've got a new book you've got to write every year that will make you a couple hundred grand, and
		you've got TV shows, and you've got people to not piss off. And so that's what's happening. And
		you're right, it's no different, unfortunately, in so many different, you know, the wide and
		sprawling bureaucracy, be it within intelligence or otherwise, it's the same thing.
		It's the same people, it's the same jaded sorts of personalities who have been
		here forever and have no interest in changing or learning a new set of rules. And right now they're
		benefiting from all the rules.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, didn't used to be, was it like that in the beginning?
		I don't know, I mean I wasn't around, I assume you guys weren't around 200 years ago. Did they
		didn't have term limits though back then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were, you were definitely yeah. So walking the earth for 800 years. In 1790, they didn't
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		have term limits ever, right? Congress people could just.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Well this was the beauty of it, right? So once upon a time. They don't have term limits now.
		No, I know. Once upon a time it was, they, you know, I think this was this was back before it
		was a particularly lucrative career to be in, to be in politics, right? And so I think part of the
		problem is, you know, You've got people who, like, there are plenty of people who are lobbyists or otherwise connected to the DC ecosystem who get paid lots and lots of money to be former politicians or to be former staffers or whatever it is.
		And so once upon a time, it wasn't a particularly sexy or desirable sort of job and occupation to have.
		It certainly didn't pay the bills.
		And now it's become something that is a producer of wealth and power and influence.
		And so people, the people who are looking for those three things, are drawn to it like a moth to the flame.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When these people get into Congress, if they lose or they leave, they still retain access, security, like access to the Hill and stuff like that, making it very, very easy for them to be lobbyists.
		So that's why it was actually AOC and Ted Cruz, I think, both were teaming up on a bill to kind of shut down this politician-to-lobbyist pipeline.
		I don't know if they were successful on it, but my respect to both of them for working on that.
		I think it's, you know, AOC is interesting because she is an influencer.
		And I feel like she's using her position to become famous.
		And I feel like she's personally more interested in fame than she is the office.
		With that being said, I can definitely give her tremendous praise and credit for working with Ted Cruz on a couple things, notably that one in particular, and I think Term Limits, too, was part of it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So look, I can be critical of somebody, but I definitely want to give respect in that regard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hope we get to, you know, at some point figure out how to stop these... The issue is that they found a way to make money.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To become wealthy off being in office.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so anything we can do to end that pipeline where you become a politician and then immediately get access to being wealthy, that's a serious problem.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We can cut their salaries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think that's the solution.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What the heck?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But even if we cut their salaries... It's only $174 for Congress.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't need to be their full-time job.
		How many times do they meet a week?
		Like twice or three times a week?
		And they could do it remotely.
		It could be me doing it remotely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		There's so much that has to go into... They're supposed to be doing work in their communities, helping people, and then representing them to the federal government.
		Some of these people don't do that, but you gotta understand a lot of the rank-and-file people in Congress, they do.
		Yeah.
		I think it's, what, half of Congress are super wealthy?
		Something like that?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I think some of it just depends on how you call super wealthy, right?
		You have to be fabulously wealthy to run for office these days.
		That's an enormous expense.
		You also, if you are a normal person who can't just leave their job for an extended period of time to go have a dalliance with running for office, then it's tough.
		But yeah, I think you make a good point.
		I think for a lot of people, A lot of people who tend to get re-elected, particularly people in their first, I don't know, call it eight to ten years, they get re-elected because the people who they come into contact with see them as actually fighting for their communities.
		Whether or not that's true, I think there are a lot of people who are good at making it seem like that's the case.
		And so a lot of the good ones, right, and I do think that there are good ones, are doing that.
		They're pounding the pavement back home, they're collecting signatures, whatever the hell it is.
		But there are so many people who don't have to do that.
		Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, people on our side too.
		They don't have to do that.
		Everyone knows who they are.
		They don't have to keep working so hard.
		And so to me, the bigger issue is when you've got someone like a Ted Kennedy who's been in office their entire life and everyone knows who they are and likes who they think they might be, then they can coast and then they can skate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How does Nancy Pelosi keep winning?
		It's not just her, but I mean Mitch McConnell, too.
		I'm not a fan of either of these parties.
		I find them all to be... The only reason the Republican Party, in my opinion, gets any kind of past this point is because Trump stood a sledgehammer to the Republican Party.
		And he chased out a bunch of the crony politicians, several dozen have retired.
		Many others are just, like, pathetically trying to maintain some kind of semblance of actually caring about the American people.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah, and I mean, I think for a lot of them, it really did upset the apple cart.
		They had an idea of what they needed to do to get by and skate by in Congress.
		They had an idea of how the system worked.
		They knew who the good guys were and the bad guys, and who they had to play off and placate.
		And for so long, it was so easy and so comfortable to be able to do that.
		I think one of the things, getting back to your question about the founding of this country, the idea of a career politician, someone who's going to spend their entire life running for office and holding office and running for office again and holding office again, That didn't exist.
		You had people who were part-time farmers or part-time whatever, and they would come in and they'd, I don't know, they'd take their horse to DC or whatever it was, and then they'd go back home.
		And it was a lot, it was a lot easier.
		And so now you have people who like, this is their life.
		This is their lifestyle in a way that's, the system was never designed to do something like this.
		And it's, it's even more poorly designed today because of the amount of money.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So we need to redesign it.
		I think term limits are essential.
		Congressional term limits.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		But the challenge is that in Congress, getting on committees and leading committees require seniority.
		So this is all part of the problem.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
		You can learn that in two months.
		I think that's an excuse they use.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But it's that because of the way the hierarchies are ordered, people who are more senior are put on individual committees based on their seniority.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we get rid of it.
unidentified		Yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I think if you want to have a system change, there's a lot more tearing down that needs to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		You've really got, I think, pulled back a lot of the layers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about something like this, like, you and your friends are all hanging out, and you're like, we need to figure out who's gonna be the person to go pick up the beer.
		And then you're like, okay, who's doing it?
		Someone first has to volunteer to be, you know, I'll go get the beer, like, do you guys want James to do it?
		Alright, James, it's all you.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of what it used to be like, you know, you'd have this community of, like, back in the day, probably a couple thousand people, if that's somewhere, it's probably even less, and they'd be like, who wants to go down there and tell them what we're doing?
		And it would be like, hey, Bill, will you go down there and tell them that we're growing corn and stuff?
		Like, okay.
		And he would go down and be like, yo, so we're, you know, we're growing corn.
		We got a bunch of people.
		It's really great.
		Here's what we need from you guys, you know, because we got banditos coming by.
		And so, you know, we need someone to come by.
		And it was really like personal, personal and personable.
		Now it's like, there's too many people.
		Have you ever seen one of the original drafts of the Bill of Rights?
		Where, like, one of the first amendments was the limit on how many people a congressperson could represent.
		It would have been 50,000 people per congressperson.
		And what that means is, today, we'd have, I think, what, like 6,000 people in Congress?
		Instead, we have 435.
		Because now one person represents 700,000.
		Because now one person represents 700,000.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's impossible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, right.
		So look at Ocasio-Cortez's district.
		She ends up winning again, even though she's not good.
		If you look at her record, I understand she's a freshman with limited experience and an understanding of the political space and the world, but she didn't even do anything.
		Like the bills she co-sponsored was like renaming a post office.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And she's been really, really good at making herself a celebrity.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Getting 400,000 concurrent viewers on Twitch playing Among Us.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Celebrity.
		And hey, it meant more power to her.
		Congratulations.
		She's really good at playing that game.
		But when it comes to politics, she hasn't done anything.
		Other than botching the Green New Deal and talking about farting cows, she's really good at generating negative press for the party.
		You would think anyone who was a Democrat would be like, Michelle Crusoe Cabrera was way better because she was competent, mature, and understood how the system worked.
		But they just wanted celebrity.
		We got a lot of problems with how our system works.
		And right now, one of the issues is, if you're someone who knows how to play to media, you win.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And that's, and one of the things she's done with her staff too, is she's invested very heavily in the comms function, rather than investing in, like traditionally, like you'll have a number of LAs and a number of people in your office who run policy.
		But if all you're trying to do is score retweets and score positive articles and build, you know, the best relationships you can with the editors at Vanity Fair, so you can get a new puff piece every couple of months, then you're going to allocate the amount of money that they all get to staff their offices.
		And throw all of it to comps, and throw all of it to digital, and find a way to make sure that you are getting the positive, supportive stories that you need that are gonna keep you in the public's attention, in the public eye, and keep building that celebrity status and that rockstar status that she's been able to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What has she done for us?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What has Pelosi done for us?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What has any of these people done for us?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Rand Paul?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rand Paul's cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That guy I like.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He's the only thing.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He's the only person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a couple people, you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we're just expecting too much from these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		400 people?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's like 350 million of us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		like three and fifty million of us three and twenty eight
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		328.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		yet four hundred thirty five kind congress a hundred senators
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		I disagree.
		I disagree, Ian.
		I think that these people were hired to do a job that they're not doing.
		They're failing.
		I think they need to be fired.
		I think we need to start again.
		And I don't know how to do that.
		And I think that he's right.
		I think that Drew is right.
		I think that we need to come up with a solution to actually fix it.
		There are many layers that we could go into.
		We could go into term limits.
		That's the easiest thing to go off of, but it's definitely not the only thing.
		So we should look at what it takes to fix this system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not confident term limits solve the problem either, you know why?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because what'll happen is you'll have some dude who's like, okay, I'm funding person A for this first run.
		Then once their run is expired, I have person B training and being ready to go, and they all work for me.
		So what do you, I mean, it's probably that way and still, it's probably still that way for a lot of special interests.
		Definitely donors, special interests and stuff.
		I don't know how you solve the problem.
		I do think there's a solution to how we do better, but I don't know what it is.
		I'll just say this, I want to stress that I think AOC, and to a certain degree Trump, but Trump certainly has a better understanding of how economics and trade functions, but this element of press mogul politicians is a problem for us.
		I think AOC is a bigger problem because she has no experience and no understanding.
		There's a lot of things Trump has done.
		Whether you like it or don't like it, he's done a lot of things.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He's done stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The economy was really, really great.
		AOC has done nothing.
		She's renamed, I think, a couple post offices.
		And other than that, it's been nothing.
		It's been puff pieces and fluff and gestures that's made her famous.
		Now, nine point something million followers on Twitter.
unidentified		For what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they re-elect her.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I think even worse, you will get generations more of AOCs, right?
		I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to be Trump right now.
		So whatever else you think of the guy, I don't think his situation and his position is enviable.
		And certainly he's probably not living the sort of carefree and easy life he probably led 10 or 15 years ago.
		But what you're going to end up, I think, what you're going to see, and unfortunately I think you're going to start seeing it on the right too, no different than on the left, is you're going to see a whole bunch of people who are probably in their teens and twenties now who want to be AOC the next cycle, or the cycle after that, or cycles down the road.
		And so you're going to end up with a whole bunch of new, a new crop of politicians who want nothing other than the star power, and right now, the way the incentives are aligned, they're going to get the followers, they're going to get the money, they're going to write books, they're going to sell out, they're going to be on all the podcasts and the TV shows and everything else.
		And so all of their incentives will be met.
		And the only person who's getting the short end on that deal is the American people who elected all of these people to lead them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, all of that operates under the assumption that from where we are now, there's no dramatic and immediate escalations, particularly following November 3rd.
		So, assuming that what we see, we get increments of, I agree with you, we'll end up with a bunch more social media influencer types who don't really do anything other than like, yo, look at my selfie, I'm on Instagram, vote for me, and then people do because They're on Twitch.
		Yeah, they're going to do it.
		But I think social media is driving a hyper-polarization which is going to result in serious unrest
		and strife.
		There was a story that I talked about earlier today, the NYPD has been training every day
		for election day unrest.
		So everybody's kind of expecting this to reach some kind of boiling point.
		So I guess, you know, in that regard, I wonder what your thoughts are, Drew, on where we're going.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I go back and forth with a few buddies of mine.
		So most of my friends are pretty left-leaning.
		And I think one of the things that we always come back to is, how does the fever break?
		Right now, I think we can all agree, whether it's chicken with head cut off or whatever metaphor you want to use, we're at a point where it's not tenable.
		And there doesn't seem to me to be a good, easy way to back down from the sort of abyss that we're staring into and have us come to a more peaceful understanding of our differences and the way we all work and what have you.
		So I do worry.
		I think where I net out to and where I always fall out to in these conversations is, I'm worried that there probably will be violence before it gets better.
		It will continue to get worse before it gets better, and at some point there's going to be nothing but violence.
		And I hope that I'm wrong, right?
		I get that I sound a little bit like an extremist and a little off my rocker when I say that I think that's going to be the case, but I guess I just don't know how else We continue to move forward at the pace we're at, at the increasing kind of... It's like the music keeps getting faster and faster, and there's no one there to shut off the music.
		And so what happens when we're all running into each other headlong?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think people are scared to admit that there's going to be violence.
		Yeah, me too.
		People are scared to say it because of their optimism bias.
		I think people are scared to make predictions based on how they feel because they're scared of being wrong.
		I don't care.
		I'll tell you how I feel.
		I think Trump's going to win.
		I'm not entirely sure about the Senate or the House.
		I could be wrong.
		I don't know for sure.
		I just have a feeling, based on the tightening of the polls and the voter registration gap, it looked really good for Trump and Republicans.
		We'll see how it plays out.
		I think there's going to be a massive wave of violence, particularly from the left.
		I believe that may coax out a right-wing response of some sort.
		Not entirely sure, but I talk to a lot of people and they're like, I don't think so.
		And I'm like, A guy walked up to some Trump supporter and put two bolts in his chest.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then Antifa cheered for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A security guard in Denver shot a Trump supporter in the face, and then they cheered for it.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, this stuff isn't slowing down, it's speeding up.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And so how, and I think what I struggle with is, I don't know a way where it slows down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And so at some point, you gotta assume that it bubbles over.
		And you're right.
		I think it's, I think it's very, very difficult for Americans who, you know, none of us have been alive for 150 years.
		We've never really seen anything like this.
		And so, One of the models that I think is more helpful to look at rather than like a U.S.
		Civil War or what have you is something like the Troubles in Ireland, where you have two different sort of factions of people who, like, it gets more and more tense and more and more frustrated and at some point people start shooting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been to Belfast?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the Peace Wall?
		Yeah.
		Did you look at the weird graffiti on each side of it?
		So this is really interesting for people who aren't familiar.
		Do you want to explain the troubles a little bit?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so in Ireland, there was a tenuous relationship between the Irish and the English for a long time, dating back to the first British occupation was in what, like 1099, something like that?
		Way in the early aughts.
		And so eventually, after years and years of strife, centuries of strife, it hit a boiling point when what is now Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, seceded from what was then England, what's now the UK, to become their own sovereign country.
		And then we were left with Northern Ireland, which had about a 50-50 split, I think, at the time of Catholics and Protestants.
		There was a lot of sectarian frustration and the spillover violence, and then eventually it all came to a head.
		And people started shooting, and you would have... Bombings.
		Yeah, exactly.
		There were bombings, there were shootings, there was the IRA, the Irish Republican Army, who was a faction of people in Ireland who thought that by causing violence, particularly in Northern Ireland and in London, that they could get the rest of Northern Ireland free, they could get the English out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the Peace Wall separated, correct me if I'm wrong, two communities, right?
		It was like, you know, the, I don't wanna, I don't know the names of them, but basically I went to Belfast, and I was there for that big bonfire night they do, where they set up those, that's crazy, it's like 30 feet tall of just pallets and wood, and they torch the whole thing, and man, it lights up the sky like the sun.
		Anyway, the Peace Wall's interesting because on one side, it's very imperial, militaristic, And on the other side it's very SJW left-wing, very stereotypically culture war.
		And I was asking this dude there about it, I'm like, on one side it's, you know, pro-Palestine, on the other side it's pro-Israel.
		What does that have to do with Ireland?
		It doesn't matter.
		He told me, if one side says it, the other side says the opposite.
		And now what does that sound like today with Trump?
		Trump says it, they say the opposite.
		That's just the way it rolls.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it only goes one direction, right?
		And so what ended up happening, there's the Good Friday Peace Accords, after years of bloodshed, right?
		Serious bloodshed, eventually they signed a peace treaty, but it's because the fire had kind of burned itself out.
		And my worry is, we're at a point where we've got a lot of embers, and the embers keep kicking up, and they keep getting hotter, and they keep getting hotter, and there's no one sitting around to throw water on the situation that we have now.
		And so until those embers kick up into something like a fire, and then that fire burns itself out, I don't know how else we walk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're a much bigger country than Ireland.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And a lot more guns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that was Northern Ireland.
		We're talking about the entirety of the country.
		So, my concern is that, initially, when we started seeing culture war conflict, street battles, a lot of people were like, oh, it's not gonna get any, you know, I had people telling me, when I said this is gonna get worse, they were like, no, because the government will never allow it.
		They're in government.
		What happens when you have someone in one branch of the government who's on one side of the debate, and a person in the same department is on the other side, and they start butting heads with each other about who's evil, who's not?
		What happens when you start seeing, like we're seeing now in like the Pacific Northwest, these racially segregated trainings they're doing?
		At a certain point someone's gonna be like, I refuse.
		I'll tell you what really scares me.
		When, you know, the trans children issue, Joe Biden was asked a question about, I think, an eight-year-old trans child.
		I'm not here to make a judgment call or a moral call, because I don't want to inflame tensions worse than they are, but I tell you this.
		You have a fight happening in Texas, and I don't know what the latest development is, where the mother says the child is trans and the dad says the child is not.
		Right.
		I am worried to think about what's going to happen when one parent feels their child is being physically harmed and they have no choice but to engage in some kind of physically, you know, physical maneuver of some type.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whether you're left or right.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And how many, and I think that's a really good microcosm, but think about how many other situations in American life that could lead to something like that.
		Right?
		Part of my concern is there's so many little fires going all at once that I think individually could each be problematic.
		But when they all come together, right?
		When you have a bunch of different reasons why a bunch of different people are mad.
		And there's two sides to whatever the argument is.
		You've got two camps.
		You've got two teams.
		That it is combustible, right?
		And you have all these individual interpersonal circumstances that are combustible
		sit against a backdrop that is already incredibly combustible.
		And yeah, so I mean, whether it's parents fighting over a custody battle like that
		with a child who may or may not be trans, who's, I don't know, eight years old,
		or a situation with a street rally in Portland.
		When you have that many sources of tension, eventually one of them is going to bubble up.
		And I worry that there's a little bit of a contagion going on for something like that,
		where as soon as people get angry and start shooting, more people get angry and start shooting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		After 9-11, everybody came out.
		I was in New York City that day, actually.
		I lived there, and everyone came out of their houses and was, like, sitting together on the street and talking, and there's a lot of humanity, and it was this tragedy that bound us.
		And I think that there's going to be a false flag tragedy coming up.
		I think I would imagine that they've been trying it.
		Russia's won.
unidentified		Who's they?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That the U.S.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		government will impose some sort of collective tragedy on us so that we don't go to civil war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who's the government, though?
		Trump's fighting the government.
		The government's eating itself.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who runs the show exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, there's nobody.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's the dupe state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the intelligence agencies are fractured.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think screaming.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there'll be many different people trying to, trying to show us many, maybe it'll be aliens, but it won't really.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		COVID didn't do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Just be vigilant about the next unifying tragedy because it'll probably, let's look through it instead of at it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um, if what you're saying is true, it'd be a great thing for this country to heal the wounds.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We should, we should do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We don't need a fake tragedy to bind us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		COVID didn't do it, man.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I worry that we don't even have unifying tragedies anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could be like a weather tragedy. So I think we should decentralize our power grid, first of all. And then
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		if we have a tsunami, like we have three hurricanes in one season last year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We had a bunch of hurricanes recently.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's terrifying. So if we're getting flooding, and then there's a volcano explodes, and then there's a 10 year
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		long winter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to do anything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		10 month long winter.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what's going to happen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People will support each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No they won't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That could help.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In California when the drought hit, the cities voted to take the water away from the poor migrants in two seconds.
		In two seconds.
		It was gone.
		And their wells ran dry.
		And then non-profits had to intervene and give them non-potable water.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of it is because of the central electric grid for profit.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If we all had electricity to share.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The drought happened.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can make water with electricity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Through condensation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now they're talking about they want to divert freshwater from the Delta, from the Bay Area, south, to help the farmers, which could potentially cause the water pressure to invert.
		So saltwater would pour in to the Bay Area, turning all of the water brackish and just mutilating all the farms.
		People are fighting over water.
		They're not going to come together in a natural disaster.
		When people have a fundamental tribalist view and the only thing that matters is my tribe versus your tribe, the earth could explode and they would be like, it's your fault.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I guess technology can help us in a time of crisis.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because if we all had electricity and we could all condense our water from the air, then if there was a flood or something, we could share water and not have fear of not having enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what, where we are now, it's like ten gallons of water and condensation every morning on the deck.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you walk outside and you're splashing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, man, I'd like to get a funnel and just... Yeah, dude, there's a lot of water out in the air that you can make.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But in California, there wasn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it was funny when I saw the canals full of fresh water, and I asked the farmer why they weren't just using that, and he said, the city's voted, we can't touch it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's how Los Angeles got made.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They diverted water down from the... That's what they're doing right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The river... Owen's River Valley, I think it was?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		New Holland?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen, LA's got a ton of people, and they say, we get the water, you don't.
		And so it becomes an issue of power.
		They didn't care about the poor migrants who were dying of thirst.
		They said, gimme your water, shut your mouth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, getting enough water for people could be a good start.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A disaster won't bring us together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A disaster right now, in my opinion, would scare people and cause them to go nuts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right now, yeah, because we're not prepared for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they'll go in the other direction.
		They would say, gimme, gimme, gimme, F you.
		I need to survive.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to me, I feel like it would be like if Hurricane Katrina happened everywhere in the country all at once, right?
		And so, unfortunately, Tim, I think you're right.
		I think that We're at a point now where you have two camps of people who really, really struggle not only to see their own fellows as patriots or compatriots, they struggle to see them as human, right?
		And so I think it's a lot easier.
		One, I think it makes things like someone from Antifa shooting a Trump supporter more likely to happen.
unidentified		One.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Two, even in the more mundane, the more milquetoast variety, I think it makes it easier to believe someone like Rudy Giuliani would do something like whatever it is.
		Right?
		And so it makes it, I think it just makes all of us a lot more willing to believe things that we wouldn't believe.
		One, about someone we know.
		Two, about someone who we think shares our worldview.
		Or three, like, at least someone who we can assume is going to be acting in good faith.
		And so where we are now is, the reason you get these media cycles, whether it's Russian disinformation or whatever it else, the reason they pick up so quickly is we're all, like, we're all pointing our mental guns at one another anyway.
		And when you're, and I think when you're doing that, all you need, like all you need is the tiniest little semblance of a match to be able to kick things off and kick them off badly.
		And it seems like every morning we wake up to do that anew.
		It's a new cycle.
		It's a new something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I swear to God, this is a video game or some sort of simulation and we are controlling the morale.
		It's a morale thing because if people are psycho, they're going to kill each other.
		But if they're not, if they love each other, they're going to help each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this has been a part of human life and human existence.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's amplified now with the internet video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The internet's making everything worse.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that we spend enough time talking about the second or third consequences of social media and the internet and other things like that, because you're right.
		I mean, I think one of my big contentions with the media is that the thing that they are doing that tends to be bad is they are responding to a certain set of incentives that aren't, that their readers are not well served by.
		If a media needs to make money by serving ads, they need eyeballs.
		If they need eyeballs, they're not going to publish things that matter.
		They're going to publish things that collect eyeballs.
		And as a result of that, you have all of these twisted incentive systems that I think are too big, and they're too scary, and they're too colossal for any of us to try and talk about and wrestle with, because this is a system that we all live within, and the idea of trying to break out or punch out of that thing is scary and frightening.
		But I think if we invested a little bit more time and energy talking about those sorts of things, it would probably be beneficial.
unidentified		I think you're right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, how about we do super chats?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's time, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we have one super chat from Nathan Reynolds.
		He says, Tim, go to Joe Biden's website and read about gun control.
		No one is discussing this and people need to know how radical this is.
		So actually, this is really interesting.
		I'm going to see if I can get this properly.
		So I have one section that I really want to read from you.
		I saw this and I want to read this to you from Joe Biden's website.
unidentified		This is great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		ban the manufacturing ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
		Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three
		shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children.
		I tweeted about this. I don't know how to break it to Joe Biden, but it's actually illegal to hunt
		children with any amount of ammo. I'm not going to read through the whole thing. But I do think
		there is some really, really shocking stuff in here.
		Notably, banning the online sale of all firearms and ammo.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh boy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I think it bans, like, any- and online sales of firearms and ammunitions.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And ammunitions.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No way.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I'm shocked I haven't heard about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And this is on his website.
		And online sale of firearms and ammunition.
		Anything having to do with gun parts, kits, whatever, those businesses online are over.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Make sure you screenshot that, everybody, because I could see him taking that off his website.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That could go down the memory hole real bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This was one of the most shocking things I've seen.
		Think about how many businesses that will destroy overnight.
		I mean, dude, you could be selling simple gun parts that are totally legal and fine.
		You're gone.
		Every manufacturer's got a website.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's the other thing, too, is that, like, obviously there are people, I'm sure, who they are all online gun businesses, but there are also just a lot of manufacturers who, the same way that Amazon sells lots and lots of stuff, people sell things online.
		We're in the midst of a global pandemic.
		People are buying lots and lots of things online rather than in person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are some companies that make ammo, but they're based in the middle of nowhere because they ship the ammo to various stores.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine this, though.
		All online sales.
		What if you're a distributor to local gun stores?
		What if there are a bunch of local gun stores, you make ammo, and sell it online to gun stores?
		That's part of it.
		It's banned.
		All online sales.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
		To me, the gun issue is, I think, one of the most ridiculous ones because the people who are writing the rules don't really understand guns and don't understand how they work.
		And so I would imagine there's probably someone who drafted that policy sitting in a city who is like, well, why can't I go down this?
		Like, it's just a store.
		Why don't they go to the store?
		They've, they've never been someplace that, that isn't particularly densely populated.
		They've never held a gun before in their life.
		And so these things are just fundamentally scary weapons of war or whatever, like assault rifles or whatever kind of language they want to use.
		And they're writing sweeping policies and the journalists fall into this trap too, where they have no idea what they're doing.
		And so the second and third order consequences that are going to come from writing bad policies are enormous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about what that means, banning online sales.
		Let's say you live in a very, very small town, and you have no gun store.
		We are in the era of online sales.
		A booklet's not coming to your mailbox anymore for you to open up and go, ooh, I'm gonna call this number and order.
		You go online to do it.
		You can't do it anymore.
		You can't have things shipped to your house.
		That's crazy to me, man.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine if they tried that with anything else?
		It would be so obvious.
		Anything that some 25-year-old guy who admittedly probably looks like me, who lives in New York City, who's writing these gun laws, Anything else from their day-to-day life, if they couldn't get it online, would collapse in on themselves and they would know it really quickly.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Curing, seriously.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Bottled water, for instance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That'd be crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, we got some more Super Chats.
		Kyle Hopkins says, election and post-election war games are in full swing.
		Multiple universities are trying to work on their post-election playbooks by running scenarios.
		The only thing these don't take into account are Trump winning.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you see Trafalgar Group today said that Trump's gonna win.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I heard something about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, like the main guy from Trafalgar said, the polls are not taking into consideration the secret Trump voters, the shy voters, and Trump is gonna win.
		They're ignoring it.
		There was a research that I've cited several times.
		It said 10% of people who vote for Trump lie about it.
		If there really is a 10 point swing for Trump, he's going to landslide.
		It's going to be crazy.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And I think one of the interesting things in that too is it's lost on a lot of these people who are doing the war games that the side that seems to precipitate all the violence would be the side who would be upset if Trump wins.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone says, Ready to Rumble says, breaking news, FBI confirms Iran sending fake emails posing as Proud Boys to help Joe Biden.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You saw that?
unidentified		What?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean, Iran, though?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean a guy with an Iranian IP address?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or does that mean the Iranian government?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		New York Times is saying it's a disinfo op, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's the, I don't remember the name.
unidentified		Whoa!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
		So, there were spoofed emails going around to Democrats saying vote for Trump or else from the official ProudBoys.com or whatever.
		The Washington Post says, U.S.
		government concludes Iran was behind threatening emails sent to Democrats.
		The deceptive campaign made use of an internet domain associated with the far-right Proud Boys.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They are trying to get us to fight each other.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And they're trying to get us to fight Iran.
		Make sure that's not some dude in his apartment with an Iranian IP address.
		Because that's what they did with Russia to get us to go after Russia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, what do you even trust these days, huh?
		My Life Matters says, Have been enjoying Drew's thread.
		Tim, guest list is getting better.
		Would love to hear from left side's opinion.
		It is very, very hard to book leftists.
		I don't want to name any of these people, but there was a couple people who when I tweeted, we send out invites.
		Listen, I'll tell you this.
		I could send a direct message to a right-wing person right now and say, yo, tomorrow opened up.
		Can we fly you out last minute?
		90% chance they'll be like, I'll make time.
		I'm down.
		And they'll come on by.
		Now to be fair, we're in an area where a lot of people aren't particularly far away, because we have a close airport.
		So it's pretty easy.
		Every time we message someone on the left, it's an endless list of questions.
		Several weeks out in advance.
		Tons of requirements.
		Some people that I've tried booking have demanded money.
		Straight up.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		So weird to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Straight up demanded money.
		Like, I do appearances for this much money, I'm like, dude, it's a conversational podcast, we cover the cost.
		So I had a couple people when I posted, like, lefties, it's really difficult to get them on the show.
		This is exactly what you get.
		The grifter class started posting, I'll go on your show.
		Invite accepted.
		My immediate response is, we'll cover your travel and accommodation.
		The show is in studio live, 8 p.m.
		every day.
		Our next availability is this day.
		And I got response from one person was like, I'm available.
		Let's do it.
		Or, you know, said, I'm available on this date.
		Then messaged me privately immediately was like, oh, I can't do that.
		I'm not traveling.
		And then when I was like, you said you would do a, well, I mean, COVID.
unidentified		Who would we get?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There must be some crazy lefties that are so down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got some people who will come because, just because, I'm not saying every leftist is a duplicitous rifter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are some people who believe what they believe and they're willing to come on a show and talk about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Robert Reich, he wants to talk.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That dude's, that'd be crazy.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Truth and Reconciliation Commissions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I don't want him to know where I live.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, honestly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need to shut him down in person.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Very few people who I've read their tweets and thought to myself, my God, this is it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a gun.
unidentified		But I read his tweet and I was like, this is it.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I swear to you, if a Democratic politician said we should have a truth and reconciliation commission, the first thing I would do is buy a gun.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He used to be so balanced.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think he's indicative of a greater problem.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's why I want to talk to him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we got a super chat from DeathSci.
		Have you seen DonaldTrump.watch website?
		Doxing Trump donors by compiling a list from the FEC.
		Americans that give money to support a racist.
		Yes, the original name of the website was something like racist.watch.
		And when it got attention and they immediately changed the name to Donald Trump watch,
		they're not doxing people so much as they've taken all of the publicly available donor data
		and placed it on a map.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's not doxing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the information is already available.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've just made it easy for you to pull up your address and see who lives around you that donated to Trump.
unidentified		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The funny thing is, it's a lot of people.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can go to, like, you can go to, like, Chicago and see, like, all the Trump donors, and you're like... Alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna get people killed, though.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I was gonna say, like, this, yes.
		Yeah, and, like, I get it.
		I get, I get why we should have, uh, that these things should be public records, I, I guess.
		But in this day and age, yeah, like, that's, that's putting a target on someone's house.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, their addresses are already public.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You make a donation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		C. Hennessy says, Tim, I have a question.
		I watched the Philly D. breakdown on the New York Post.
		I'm curious why authentication of the hard drive is such a big deal.
		Like, apparently they were not letting other news agencies see it.
		Isn't that normal?
		Um, I wouldn't be surprised if a news organization said, we're not giving up source information.
		There could be something damaged to the person they received it from.
		That's simple.
		This idea of third party verification is like a new thing.
		The New York Times says, we reviewed Trump's taxes.
		Here's the proof.
		And everyone said, wow.
		There's no evidence, there's no photo, there's no documents, literally nothing.
		And we're supposed to just take it at face value.
		So the New York Post comes out and says, here's a literal email, I say, okay.
		Well, Fox News verified the emails, the DOJ and the FBI, the FBI said they have the laptop, and both have said it's not Russian disinfo, and the Director of National Intelligence said it's not Russian disinfo, so I don't see what the big deal is.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And it's always, I think historically it's been incumbent on news media to be able to prove beyond some level of doubt to a generally credulous and skeptical public that incredulous and skeptical public that these things are real right like once upon a time when they were unsubstantiated allegations they they would mean something because a news media outlet was willing to put their name behind it right all right here we go the real darth squishy says this 20 says the debate tomorrow never happens
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, Darth Squishy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, hold on, hold on.
		What happens if a Biden aide comes out with COVID?
		And then Biden says, although I've tested negative with an abundance of caution, we decided it's probably best we don't come out and risk infecting other people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who does that help, though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It helps Joe Biden.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		To not debate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because Trump's the first.
		They're going to be like, Donald Trump, can you talk about your tax plan?
		Hunter Biden's laptop.
		Shut her down.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But do you think that that gets through to people?
		Like, I agree with you that it's obviously going to be something of concern to the Biden camp.
		But at the end of the day, I think that Biden probably looks worse and knows that he looks worse if he runs from it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Donald Trump is going to say, Rudy Giuliani, America's mayor, who carried New York through 9-11, has just submitted evidence to the Delaware police of child sexual exploitation from your son Joe.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Do I think he says it?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anything like it?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I mean, one, it won't be that succinct.
		Does he bring it up?
		Of course he brings it up.
		But I think what ends up happening is he brings it up, he's shouting, Biden's shouting, the moderator's shouting, and the whole thing kind of gets lost.
		But they're going to mute people.
		Well, no, they were only muting during the two minutes of their special sacred time or whatever, is what I heard.
		Yeah, that's how I've heard it's gonna work.
		It's gonna be good.
		My worry is that what happened with the first debate, I thought, was Trump came out swinging.
		On some points, he was good.
		On some points, it just felt like noise.
		And at the end of the day, a lot of this bounced off the American people.
		And I think that we're probably gonna see something like that at the debate tomorrow night.
		And I think Biden and Biden's handlers know that all he has to do is get up there, say a few things, and walk out without everyone in the world thinking that he's completely lost his marbles, and it's a win for him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why Trump needs to let Joe talk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because Joe Biden's going to be like, you know, 200 million people are going to die by the time this debate is over!
unidentified		Snap.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he actually said, that's, I'm quoting the guy.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but Trump can't help himself in so many of these situations.
		And so like, I think you're right.
		I think you're right.
		I think what he needs to do is get out of the way and let Biden fall in on himself, or come out and be super aggressive on the Hunter thing and just stick to it no matter what.
unidentified		Biden?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I think he's going to munch those two things and not do either of them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's got to do charisma.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Biden's strategy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Biden's strategy is for Trump to trip over himself.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what they've said publicly.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And Trump is very good at doing that.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Trump can be counted on to trip over himself.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		This is very true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He definitely can.
		Blaze says, imagine filling a stadium with 30 plus thousand people every night, all aware and motivated to change the status quo.
		No wonder why the elite are freaking out.
		That's right, we do it.
		Sometimes we get way more than that.
		The show with James O'Keefe, we had nearly 80,000.
		It was like 79k, I think, total.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We have 37 right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lots of people watching and hanging out.
		You guys are awesome.
		Vsidious says, two things.
		Remember when Trump said, we have you on tape to Biden in the last debate?
		Something is coming.
		And for your stellar gif, use Army of Darkness, the third evil dead, with the mini ashes running around.
		It's perfect.
		Yes.
		Yes.
		Yeah.
		So apparently Trump said something about that.
		We have you on camera?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he said so I'm trying to remember what it was but there's something that was tied to this was obviously before all the laptop stuff came out and he said he had some allegations related to I think it was I think it was Hunter it must have been he said we've got you we've got you on tape we've got you on camera whatever.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know, again, like, I don't know, like, maybe, maybe he's, maybe he's teasing out the Big Bang and maybe it's, maybe it's the sort of thing that really does upset the apple cart and change the narrative or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a Big Bang.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Giuliani and Bannon said 10 days, what, 10 days before the election, they're going to drop hard evidence.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm excited.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think if they started the laptop thing, well, we're on day 13, 13 days out, so yeah.
		I think if they started with, here's an email showing that Biden did meet with one of these Burisma guys, he's a liar.
		They start slow.
		It's drip, drip, drip.
		You don't put the big story out immediately.
		You want the maximum impact when it's most important, just before, as close as possible.
		I can't remember who we were talking to, but someone said, Hillary Clinton put out the ex-Hollywood tapes, or her people did, or whoever did.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got here super early, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		what was like the beginning of October or the end of September?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Super early, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right. And they should have waited because that would have really hit
		Trump hard, but they did it way too early. Well, now they got early voting, so like 30-something,
		35 million people have already voted. Maximum impact. 10 days before. It'll affect a lot of
		early voting in states like New York, and it will get the news cycle in time for Election Day.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		In-person voting.
		I think, yeah, I guess I buy that.
		And you know, one of the interesting things, I think, I'm not sure I'm there with you, but like to play out the scenario a little bit, I think part of it too is they've already run, like they made Twitter and Facebook and a lot of other people who for no reason censored the New York Post look really, really bad in a way that if something bigger happens in a couple of days, they can't pull that again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was just thinking that, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's so awesome.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		So if they're playing it out, if they're thinking it through from a strategic perspective, and again, I'm always worried when I say that some people who prove themselves to not always be super strategic, that they have some masterful... It's like the Trump 14-dimensional chess thing that I never buy.
		Oh man, I'm getting all excited now.
		I never buy the idea that he's playing 14-dimensional chess, because I think that it's mostly lizard brain, and so I'm worried of ascribing this grand strategy behind these things.
		It's true.
		But yeah, if you're doing it with a level of strategy, that makes sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, the big tech companies had one censorship strike, one shot, and they said, this is it, this is the October Surprise, nuke it!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And actually, that was the bait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And already, Rudy Giuliani's done a masterful 360, he parries, and now he's already coming back with that counterpunch.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		It's coming.
		I don't know.
		Maybe not.
		We'll see.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We can dream, okay?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like it.
		Again, I think Giuliani's too lizard-brained.
		I think you're right.
		I have such a hard time believing that these people are capable of these sorts of things, but if they were, this is what they would be doing.
		That I will give you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Grant Pickens says, imagine a civil war where the people disbanded the corruption of media, classical and online, replacing it with non-governed forum that will teach its own equilibrium.
		What if?
		Sure.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That'd be cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, Sean Wilson says, LOL Buzzfeed writer not realizing he created the equivalent of the normal guy from that Lonely Island skit.
unidentified		Oh my gosh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love that thing, the Lonely Island thing.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with the Lonely Island thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually in one of their videos.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He is, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm in a Lonely Island video.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Why did I not know that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm a member of a crowd as he jumps out of a loading dock and we're all bouncing Andy Samberg up in the air.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
		Yeah.
		Okay, please send me that.
		I need to see it.
		If I remember correctly, the normal guy was like, it was meant to be a spoof of a normal guy and what a normal person would do under normal situation.
		And it was so ridiculous from the top.
		I think they've got another one about what people would do at the end of the world.
		And the joke is, obviously no one would ever do this.
		And whoever wrote that is spot on.
		That's what this is.
		And that's why it's so funny, as long as you can step back far enough to be able to see that it's not real and it's funny.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		it.
		Andrew Lantz says, love the content.
		Your views on abortion concern me.
		If the preservation of liberty requires the murder, abortion is the express ending of
		innocent human life of unborn children.
		What does the right to life declaration of independence even mean?
		I mean, that's this is just a really, really long and difficult ethical conundrum pertaining
		to liberty, morality.
		And usually whenever we get into a pro-life versus choice, like debate, it becomes like
		a whole new hour long.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure philosophical, you know, physical body versus the the person itself.
		When do you acknowledge it as a person?
		As a prisoner?
		The death penalty?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's just a million, a million and one different things.
		It makes it so difficult.
		So difficult.
		I remember when we had Seamus here from Freedom Tunes and it was like, we took a super chat and then turned into like a 20 or 30 minute discussion about it.
		It's not easy.
		It's not easy.
		But I do think that the ability to have the conversation at all is something that's lacking.
		I was talking to a friend who told me that she used to be safe legal but rare, and now she's unrestricted in every capacity.
		And I'm like, how did that happen?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the Democratic Party shifted, I think, pretty quickly on that, and that drove a lot of it.
		Caitlin Flanagan, who's a writer at The Atlantic, writes really, really good and really compellingly on this about how Part of the issue is the two sides just don't talk to each other, right?
		The pro-life and the pro-choice sides are making two fundamentally different arguments about fundamentally different things, and at no point do those two ever intersect, and so we're just shouting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard the Louis C.K.
		bit on this?
		He was like, you know, people who are pro-choice don't—basically, he made a joke about this.
		He's like, they don't understand what conservatives think.
		He's like, conservatives think that you're killing babies!
		He's like, if I thought you were killing babies, I'd be freaking out, too!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Right, yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're saying.
		So, it is, uh, it really is, this is, this is, this is one of these issues where there's no fence.
		It is, it is a, like, needles tip.
		You don't, a razor's edge.
		There's, there's no in the middle.
		It's like, you fall on one side, and there's, it's, it's tough, man.
		So, I don't, I don't, I don't know how to answer the question adequately, other than, I'm not gonna, I don't want to reiterate the same debates we have over and over again on, like, life, liberty, and stuff like this, but, you know, much respect for the question.
		Cassette says, hey Tim, have some money because of millionaire cocksuckers.
		Well, it was George Carlin who said it, you know, but I'll take that in his honor.
		Long Reach Jones says, look at what is documented of Capitol Hill grind.
		Congressmen and senators being pulled away from meetings and important work to be forced to fundraise for their parties.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Soul destroying stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good, they spent a lot of time doing that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And they have to, right?
		And I think, again, like, I'm gonna sound a little bit wet behind the ears, I think, here, but I think a lot of them hate it, right?
		Like, I think there are a lot of politicians who really hate the fact that they have to go out hat in hand to so many people, many people they don't agree with, so often.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got a great one here from Pauly.
		Pauly V says, Tim went fishing today and took no care to politics for the day.
		I recommend everyone do something to escape from the madness we live in for a brief moment to just breathe and relax.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tim actually got a mountain bike today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, not yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's gotta be picked up soon, but I'm just gonna go mountain biking.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That looked like a head-clearing endeavor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, skateboarding is.
		I skate like every day.
		Skateboarding's great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Fishing sounds nice.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I went outside and just breathed in the air and it smelled so good.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People need to get outside.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I imagine living in a city will drive you insane at a certain, if you're in there for too long.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yeah.
		Guilty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're like, you're, you're in a, you're, you're in a giant concrete block.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You forget what animals are except for squirrels and pigeons.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And then it's like rats in DC, unfortunately.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not because of, you hear what's going on in New York with, because of COVID.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, the rats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember hearing about this.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		They're coming out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		And chasing people?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Because they're running out of their usual food source.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was a crazy video where a bunch of baboons were fighting in the streets in India or something.
		Because they usually have tourists throwing food to them.
		Now there was nobody, so they're fighting each other for food.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they ended up killing somebody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A person?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yep, they killed a person.
		Whoa, did they eat him?
		That's really dark.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And eat him?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
unidentified		I imagine they were not happy with him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hope the rats don't get that bad.
		I know, I hope not.
		Oh, absolutely.
		Yeah, we were trying to get Styx on for a long time.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We're trying so hard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Styx is on the top of our list of people who want to go on the show.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He was the first person I think I asked.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's in Canada?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, he's off overseas I think right now.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna be tough.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He'll turn up eventually.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll get him in!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone says Odysseus Horse says just breaking Fox News reports laptop connected to Hunter Biden also connected to FBI money laundering probe.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh, snap.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just a super chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we'll see what you know, we'll see.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I trust our super chats.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That would be a big deal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see where we at.
		Omega Hunter says, please ask if Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and Ben Shapiro to join your IRL stream at some point in the future.
		I mean, you know what I don't like doing is like, this person has a really big show.
		Why don't you come on my show?
		It's like, well, they have a show, right?
		I mean, having the conversation is great, so.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I would love to, but when you get that big, you start to run into like agents and then you have trouble actually getting in touch with people.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I just want to talk to the person, not their agent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know, man.
		It really is tough.
		There's like a, there's like a certain, uh, uh, like profile size.
		That's really great.
		But some people don't like, they're just like long careers and we try to book them.
		They're like, talk to my booking agent.
		And it's like, nah, I'm not doing that.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		That's, that's exactly.
		It's like, it's when you, it's like when you've got to enter your credit card information for a free trial.
		It's like the step on its own might not be too much, but under these circumstances, I can't do it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's definitely too much.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would say mad shout out to Rogan, Peterson, and Shapiro.
		Yeah, those guys are phenomenal.
		Is that Betsy or Bucko?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is Betsy yelling?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a bug.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, probably.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think she wants up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, she was yelling at the bug.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's stink bug season in the East Coast.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Fall and spring, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, like, stink bugs smell really bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, do you have a lot of them in D.C.?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Not too bad.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I grew up in Massachusetts, so I had them everywhere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they're kind of funny, you know?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it's interesting.
		My girlfriend had never seen a stink bug before, and so we had one.
		That was in my apartment.
		And I was like, I, I remember I like called her over cause it was obviously the start of stink bug season.
		I was like, this is it.
		Like this, this dumb dorky, like poorly moving guy, like poorly moving.
		Like there's, there's no way.
		Big believer in evolution.
		But I will pause and say that stink bugs have got to be an accident somewhere along the line.
		And I was like, this is it.
		The dreaded creature itself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got, we have, we have two cats in this house and it's really funny because when the stink bugs first started coming in, Betsy walks up to it and sniffs it and immediately recoils and goes, yeah.
		And then like a week later, Bucko walks up and sees one and I'm like, oh, he's going to do it.
		And he sniffs and goes.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		You're smart.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The brown, what are they called?
		The marmorated ones.
		They came from China and East Asia.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Everything bad comes from China.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		1989 or something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They were introduced to this area of the country.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		And now they never leave.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Nope.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		They'll never leave.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jake of all trades says, Tim, what kind of guns did you buy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you're supposed to just come out and say, right?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		My dad never would.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I was told, I was told not to tell people what kind of guns I have, but I have a lot.
unidentified		Cool.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Talking about how much you make every year.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I always thought that was weird.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cause I would just tell people and they're like, Oh, you can't tell people that.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Who gives?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I do.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		There's a really simple way to ask a woman what her age is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I always say this, are you old enough to where if I ask your age you'll be offended?
		And then, no matter what answer they give, you know, you got a certain range.
		Or a laugh.
		So I've actually it's really funny cuz I use that joke a ton of times on women and older women are of the you know that the Culture don't ask them in her age.
		Yeah, and so Sometimes it's usually a funny thing because they understand it's a joke, right?
		But I've had some sour responses like you can't ask me that I'm like, I know you're older than that means you are Yeah, exactly.
		You've given everything away!
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I have all the information I need now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And young women don't have this, so they'll laugh and be like, I'm 30.
		Yeah.
		And it's like, oh, you know.
		Well, I don't know, maybe it's an age thing and not a culture thing.
		Kayper2x says, Tim, consider a Starlink connection for internet access.
		Yes, if, just let me call Elon Musk, and I would love to get Starlink internet.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Let's tweet at him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is it, like gigabit satellite?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I have no idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yup.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need it, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This would be a great beta test.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon, please, give us Starlink.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That would be fantastic.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Or at least that super fast train that he's gonna do between DC and New York.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, seriously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right, right.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Let's go, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		J. Mill says, it'd be nice to see Viva Frey and Robert Barnes duo make it on also.
		Incredible legal insight.
		Well, yeah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to get Viva on.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		At first I thought that was the fray like the band.
unidentified		I was like, wow, if the fray came on, that would be... I would find that cool.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I would find that super cool.
		I don't know.
		I don't know how many of your viewers would.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of requests.
unidentified		Look at this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Krillin876 says, TP, are you going to have Michael Tracy on the show?
		He was waiting for your request.
		Waiting for a request.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He is not waiting for a request.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I have one out with him and he is welcome to get back to me anytime, Michael.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think he was like one of the first people we invited.
		Definitely, Michael Tracy.
		He does good work.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he does great work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, what else we got?
		Sedated and restrained says, with SCOTUS leaning conservative, do you think it'll be possible to get NFA and other gun laws ruled unconstitutional?
		Oh, what do you think, Drew?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		It's a good question.
		I mean, I remember last time I was on, we talked a little bit about the kind of strict constructionist and constitutionalist views that some of the judges have.
		I think, I don't know, I'm of the opinion, maybe naively so, that it's going to be really hard, even with a conservative court, to overrule any long-standing principle.
		So I think that you probably, maybe some of the more recent gun laws you might be able to chip away at, you could have future challenges that do that, but I think the same way about gun laws and Roe v. Wade and other things, like if they're mostly settled precedent, I think they will continue to be mostly settled precedent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's an interesting one.
		Hayden Hudson says, Rudy just claimed on GB he has only had laptop around five days.
		Photos reported the day after discovered.
		He had to confirm with others whether he needed to report it and they said yes, report it.
		Interesting.
		All right, let's see some retracted messages.
		Jackson says, in Hong Kong, abortion is illegal unless the pregnancy endangers the mom and needs to be signed by two doctors.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys see Sony's new Terms of Service that are like just so pro-PRC?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's disgusting, dude.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They launched it in Hong Kong.
		It's like you can't speak anything that would dishonor the People's Republic of China.
		It's this weird list of stuff.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Because it's in compliance with the new law that they passed.
unidentified		What?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		right and so the right right the expectation at least within China is
		that that law is something that they could then use to to repatriate and
		prosecute people within the country and so I think there are a lot of people a
unidentified		lot of companies who are like oh I don't want anything to do that recording all
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		your voice chats they said if you use the Sony voice thing they're recording
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		everything yeah At least they let us know.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, let's see.
		Josh B. says, Josh, be a tip from a Texan.
		Never ask a farmer how many acres he or she farms.
		Never ask a rancher how many heads of cattle he or she runs.
		Well, there you go.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		I'd buy that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is good.
		Richard in Texas says, have Tom Fitton on.
		Do it.
		Yeah, for sure.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		If I don't have to talk to his agent, I totally will, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does he have an agent?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's super famous.
		Crillon876 says, Tim, did you ever see the 80s skateboarding movie Streets of Fire with Natas Kapis?
		I have not.
		I've seen Gleaming the Cube, though.
		Let's see, Austin Showman says, context tracing.
		Tim, need your thoughts on the subject.
		I don't know.
		Mostly fine, depending on how they end up doing it.
		It can be a violation of people's privacy through, like, it's akin to tracking metadata.
		I don't know.
		My bigger concern is with, like, spying on people's phones, not so much with asking people if they'd like to help us figure out where this disease went.
		If it's voluntary versus involuntary, that's the issue, right?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		And you've got, I think, like, part of it is there's plenty of social coercion that can go into something like that, and so I think some of that, honestly, is good, where if you've got an event that you want to go to, a restaurant you want to go to, and they ask you casually, like, hey, will you put down your name and your phone number and whatever, then, like, I don't know, that makes sense to me.
		I just, I've recently started going back to mass in person, and I know that that's something that they do there too.
		And so I know I feel a lot more comfortable doing that.
		And I get it, like, listen, I beef with the libertarians on Twitter all the time.
		I get that there are privacy concerns.
		I'm just not particularly motivated by any of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's actually a private property issue.
		If a business says, we want to track the people who come into our store, tell us, you know, you can come in under these conditions.
		I mean, it's their business.
		Yeah, right.
		So there are challenges, though, because what I often say in terms of public accommodation is if I'm paying taxes that support your business, then I think there needs to be, you know, restrictions have to be reasonable.
		But, I mean, my phone's always spying on me.
		It's really annoying.
		You guys ever catch this?
		Periodically just turns on and starts tracking every word I say and it, like, shows me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's really annoying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So true.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		My phone has never done that.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Anyway!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I need more information, just out of the blue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Periodically, while we're here, it'll turn on and I see my word.
		Is that tracking?
		Yeah, it does a voice-to-text thing.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's really weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the future!
		They're spying on me!
		I remember after Occupy Wall Street, it was really funny.
		I had two phones.
		I had an iPhone and an Android, and I couldn't turn them off.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They couldn't turn them off.
		So if I turned them off, they would immediately turn back on.
		Unless the battery died.
		And so I was talking to... I mean, I understood back in the day what it typically meant when your phone wouldn't shut off.
		But my hacker buddies and infosec buddies were like, yeah, they're probably spying on your phone.
		Anyway, it's been fun.
		Drew, thanks for hanging out.
		It's a little bit after 10, so I think we're gonna get ready to wind things down.
		We've got the debates tomorrow night.
		We're gonna cook some pizzas.
		Have some drinks, sit back, and hopefully it'll happen.
		Whatever, I'm assuming it will.
		Someone threw 20 bucks down saying it wasn't.
		We'll see.
		Drew, you want to mention your social media where people can catch those sweet, sweet threads?
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so best place for the threads, at least until they ban me, which could happen any day, is Drew Holden 360.
		I hope all you guys will avenge me, too.
		I hope it's not gonna happen, but it could be great in terms of my number of followers shooting up if I get banned.
		I think that tends to help people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When you come back.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		It's Drew Holden 360.
		My cover photo is someone saying that I look like a name-brand version of Shia LaBeouf, so you can't miss it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Boom, there you go.
		It's true.
		And of course you can follow Ian Crossland.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hello everyone, this is Betsy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My social media tags are at Ian Crossland all over the place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You may have noticed that there's an image of Joe Biden eating a small child behind Ian.
		We rotated the photos.
		Yeah, Drew, you've got the Joe Rogan, Donald Trump, and Biden one behind you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		His use of purple is just off the charts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then actually in the frame on Drew, you can see Elizabeth Warren looking really haggard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Creepy looking.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Sketchy as heck.
drew holden ▲ ● ▼		As a Massachusetts native, this is mostly my worst nightmare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You can.
		I'm here.
		L-I-D-S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Timcast.
		Check out my other channels, YouTube.com slash Timcast and YouTube.com slash Timcast News, which apparently is slowly being removed from a blacklist, which is good news.
		I was actually able to search it.
		I checked today and they're back.
		Others are still telling me it's not visible, so we'll see what ends up happening.
		But this show is live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m., so smash that like button on the way out to help the channel.
		Subscribe, hit that notification bell.
		We'll have clips from this show up throughout the day tomorrow, and then Friday we will be back, but tomorrow we have no show because it is debates.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Day off.
		Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
		Well, kind of.

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