Oct. 20, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| Ladies and gentlemen, we have some very serious, breaking news which is going to affect the very fabric of | ||
| our society. | ||
| And we are joined by a very, very important guest who has nothing to do with this story. | ||
| I'm talking about Jeffrey Toobin, the CNN analyst who was caught whacking off on a Zoom call. | ||
| This is crazy! | ||
| You guys heard about this, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, that's crazy news, but we actually do have real news. | ||
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We do. | |
| And James O'Keefe is here. | ||
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We do. | |
| Hello. | ||
| I'd like to see that Toobin picture, by the way. | ||
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No, you don't. | |
| Why would you want to see that? | ||
| I'm just curious. | ||
| Okay, so Jeffrey Toobin is from The New Yorker and a CNN analyst, and apparently on a Zoom meeting, he was whacking off. | ||
| He was like an anti-Trump guy, Trump is racist, all that stuff. | ||
| Why would anyone, for any reason, be on like a work meeting call and decide to just start cranking it out? | ||
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Because? | |
| He said it was a mistake! | ||
| I didn't think they could see me! | ||
| It was a mistake. | ||
| Wait, hold on a minute. | ||
| Like, at least when Louis C.K. | ||
| did this, he asked for permission first. | ||
| You know, and he still got cancelled for that. | ||
| This guy just was like, well, I'm at a work meeting, better just, you know, go at it. | ||
| And then, oops, oh no, they saw me! | ||
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Oh no! | |
| I didn't realize what a Zoomie was. | ||
| So we met to turn off his camera and then jerk it while no one could see him. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I think I'm looking at the picture right now. | ||
| They covered up his thing with a birthday hat. | ||
| Is it the Vice article? | ||
| Yeah, that's what it looks like right there. | ||
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Oh no, I'm scared! | |
| Oh no! | ||
| You can see his stomach and his body and his gut and everyone's like putting their hands over their mouth. | ||
| I'm not sure if I'm looking at the real thing. | ||
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You are, I think that's right. | |
| Maybe this is a coordinated disinformation campaign. | ||
| Just a picture of someone. | ||
| I made the two bin pic SFW-ish. | ||
| Safe for work-ish. | ||
| It's like two, is that it? | ||
| Is that what it looks like? | ||
| Why are you making me look at this? | ||
| Why did you look it up? | ||
| I mean, I didn't look it up. | ||
| It showed up on my Twitter. | ||
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It just turned up. | |
| It shows up. | ||
| It's the algorithm. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Groundbreaking journalist James O'Keefe sources image. | ||
| I don't know if this is, yeah. | ||
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We don't, we can't confirm. | |
| No, maybe someone took a fake. | ||
| It might, it might be a weird recreation thing. | ||
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Yeah, I don't know. | |
| Couldn't confirm it. | ||
| I don't want to find out. | ||
| I'm not going to look for it. | ||
| I don't want to know. | ||
| Just seeing his face. | ||
| You know, it may surprise many of you listening that we actually do have, like, real important news. | ||
| That we have important things to talk about. | ||
| And that's why James is here. | ||
| I don't know why I talked about that for a few minutes. | ||
| Not planned. | ||
| Good use of time. | ||
| Anyway, welcome to the show. | ||
| Yeah, that's James O'Keefe. | ||
| I think most of you know who he is and he's got a big story he just dropped, so we're | ||
| going to talk about that. | ||
| Of course, you know him, you know me. | ||
| We got Ian, he's hanging out. | ||
| Yo! | ||
| Ian's in the corner. | ||
| And Lydia's here as well. | ||
| So I think that's as good as an intro is ever gonna get. | ||
| So subscribe, hit the like button, hit the notification bell, and oh man, how do you top that? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I guess we'll just start talking about stuff. | ||
| So James, you just dropped a big story. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Not as big as the Jeffrey Toobin thing, but you know. | ||
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Correct, yes. | |
| Depends upon how big that is. | ||
| Before we go in. | ||
| Oh my gosh, James. | ||
| James, for anyone that doesn't know, you run Project Veritas. | ||
| I run Project Veritas. | ||
| We're the nation's premier, perhaps the nation's only, Undercover or even investigative reporting organization. | ||
| We use video, incontrovertible video evidence, and we just launched a story an hour ago on Google. | ||
| A Google engineer discussing how the algorithms are skewed to favor Joe Biden in the presidential election. | ||
| So we will definitely lead with this, and I've got your website pulled up. | ||
| We'll look at it. | ||
| But I'll just add, you may be the only undercover news outlet in the country, and man do they hate you. | ||
| But we'll get into all the fake news. | ||
| There's so much to say about that. | ||
| Yeah, so we'll leave with this big story. | ||
| So we can pull this up real quick, just to give people a quick glimpse. | ||
| But instead of reading through what your website says, you're here, you can tell us. | ||
| But I'll read the headline. | ||
| Senior Google Manager on Search Engine's Power. | ||
| You are just plain and simple trying to play God. | ||
| The power's in the search. | ||
| Trump says something, misinformation. | ||
| You're gonna delete. | ||
| If a Democratic leader says that, then you're gonna leave it. | ||
| So how about you just tell us what's going on? | ||
| What's this breaking story? | ||
| Well, this is a guy, Ritesh Lakhar, technical program manager at Google, and he works for the cloud. | ||
| And he's kind of an unwitting whistleblower. | ||
| He talks about how the corporation plays God. | ||
| And I'm reading here, like, if it was fraud, it doesn't matter. | ||
| But for Trump or for Melania, it matters. | ||
| On the other side, Trump says something, misinformation, you're going to delete that because it's illegal or whatever pretext. | ||
| He talks about the double standard, something we all suspect to be true, but he says if a Democratic leader says that, then you're just going to leave it. | ||
| And he talks about how the corporation, Google, is outsourcing jobs in order to spy on Americans, and he feels guilty about this. | ||
| And he describes the algorithm, how people cry in the corridors of Google when Trump won. | ||
| So a lot of what Veritas does is confirm suspicions, right? | ||
| None of this is surprising to you, but it may be one of the first times we've ever heard them say it as a current employee. | ||
| That's why we use hidden cameras. | ||
| People are more honest. | ||
| Sometimes the newsworthiness is such that people talk about the ethics of recording maybe a good man saying this, but the public's right to know is paramount. | ||
| It's important that we show this information to the masses. | ||
| This guy says something about training Chinese people to spy on America and something like that. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| He says in this tape that he feels guilty. | ||
| He feels, quote, suffocated at Google, and particularly guilty for outsourcing jobs overseas in order to spy on the American people. | ||
| At one point in the conversation, we ask, why is it that Google prefers Democrats? | ||
| And his answer, well, this is America. | ||
| Very enlightening video, and this is part one of a series of videos. | ||
| We'll release a video every day this week on Google. | ||
| Different employee. | ||
| I tweeted out your video, and the first responses from people was... Can't see it. | ||
| I can't see it. | ||
| It's unavailable. | ||
| Done. | ||
| So there's a tweet, I've been getting the same thing sitting here right now, and it says, quote, this tweet might include sensitive content, to view it you need to change your privacy settings. | ||
| You know what I love? | ||
| I love the irony of you literally exposing manipulation, interference, and censorship And then they censor you. | ||
| It's the perfect... You know, I always say this. | ||
| The best way to describe irony, to define irony, is a firetruck on fire. | ||
| That's irony. | ||
| The firetruck is supposed to put the fire out, not in flames. | ||
| You're exposing these big tech companies, and they're actively shutting you down in real time. | ||
| They're actively doing it. | ||
| They've always done it. | ||
| We have a saying at Project Veritas, content is king. | ||
| You just gotta do the good work. | ||
| You gotta expose it. | ||
| You gotta put it out there. | ||
| Get proxies to put it out there. | ||
| We embargo clips with people ahead of time. | ||
| Sometimes I do that with you, Tim. | ||
| I'll share a little link. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And that's why the New York Times called it a misinformation campaign, because we were embargoing clips with people ahead of time, which is what reporters always do. | ||
| But that's why I brought this book with me, 1984. | ||
| If you haven't read it since you were 15, reread the book, listen to it on Audible, whatever you do. | ||
| That looks like it's a 1984 printing, too. | ||
| Yeah, I think this is my high school book that I took. | ||
| So the embargo thing is important, too, because it is extremely common. | ||
| People don't realize it. | ||
| And the New York Times tried smearing you simply because you did it. | ||
| Simply because we did it. | ||
| This is something we should talk about at some point. | ||
| I can mention it now. | ||
| The New York Times Talk to researchers at Stanford University, interviewed them, and they said, well, it's probably part of a disinformation campaign because James O'Keefe shared it with the MyPillow guy two days before the event. | ||
| Is that who he shared it with? | ||
| I met with Mike Lindell because he's a big-time deal in Minnesota. | ||
| He's a Minnesota guy, and we're doing a Minnesota story. | ||
| He's got a big following. | ||
| I said, hey Mike, here's a tease of what we're doing. | ||
| And Stanford University told the New York Times, well, that's the reason it's probably disinformation. | ||
| USA Today quotes the disinformation part and suddenly Facebook is censoring the video because USA Today says it's disinformation. | ||
| Straight out of Orwell. | ||
| So, I don't know what else there is to say about, you know, you've got another guy. | ||
| It's not the first time you've caught somebody. | ||
| But here's what's crazy to me. | ||
| We've seen other videos like this. | ||
| The Verge, actually. | ||
| I think it was The Verge who published this video. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where you see them giving a meeting about Donald Trump won, and we're all scared and sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people are crying. | ||
| That was a left-wing publication. | ||
| You also had Gizmodo. | ||
| This was back in, I think, 2018. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where they wrote one of the first stories saying Facebook actively censored conservative news websites. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You confirm all this, and it's misinformation. | ||
| They publish it, and now it's fine. | ||
| Well, I think it's the courage to continue doing it. | ||
| You know, there's so much cynicism and hopelessness. | ||
| We were talking last night about how cynical people are. | ||
| I think you just have to keep going. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Because you get caught in a trap of being defensive, like responding to their bias and whining about them. | ||
| What I've found is if you just keep reporting, they keep attacking me, I just keep reporting. | ||
| I think the audience that you're serving right here, this stream right now, and the audience I serve, these are new audiences. | ||
| These are people who don't necessarily watch CNN or maybe even watch Fox News. | ||
| They're just people that are being enlightened little by little. | ||
| And the truth is, Tim, I think we're winning. | ||
| I mean, I think I've got more sources coming to me than ever before. | ||
| People, people, the sources tell me I've got no place else to go. | ||
| They say, I can't go to the New York Times. | ||
| I can't go to USA Today. | ||
| I don't even know what USA Today is except right pieces about us. | ||
| So let's do this. | ||
| I think I'm going to really enjoy ragging on the media, but we should give that- Yeah, we should talk about other things. | ||
| So let me do this. | ||
| You've exposed this. | ||
| You had another video of a director at Google talking about censorship. | ||
| That woman, I forgot what her position was. | ||
| What was the name of the woman at Google? | ||
| The Irish woman? | ||
| We've had a couple. | ||
| Jen Janai. | ||
| Jen Janai. | ||
| The big one was Jen Janai saying we need to have algorithmic fairness. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because God forbid you Google search something and you get reality or facts. | ||
| What if the facts are unfair? | ||
| So what we have to do is censor the reality such that it makes the world more fair. | ||
| Who defines fair? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| And then Jen Janai says, we got to prevent the next Trump situation. | ||
| This is what Janai says, who's a senior individual at Google, head of Google's innovation department. | ||
| So when she said we have to prevent the next Trump situation, Was it a smoking gun? Not quite, because what did she mean | ||
| by that? | ||
| Now she'll say on the medium, she wrote an article, no, no, I meant stop Russian interference in the election. | ||
| So they'll say whatever they need to say to explain away their comments on the tape. | ||
| Have you seen the social dilemma? | ||
| Just a few minutes of downstairs. | ||
| Yeah, we were playing just a bit of it downstairs. | ||
| And what's really interesting is they basically confirm everything you've got on camera. | ||
| You've got former tech executives. | ||
| They don't go as deep as to say, yeah, when we were there, we were like, we're gonna make sure the Democrats win. | ||
| But they were straight up saying, we manipulate people into doing what we want them to do. | ||
| We figure out how to persuade them into doing what we want them to do. | ||
| And then I see stories like that, like, you know, so in the documentary, they have this mock version of political extremism called the Extreme Center and Don't Vote, like these two groups that are fighting each other. | ||
| But it's very clear that they're straight up saying social media companies are encouraging, you know, are favoring political factions or institutions. | ||
| And considering we're seeing something like this, it reminds me of what we heard from the CEO of Reddit. | ||
| I don't know if you're familiar with this, but he actually said, I'm confident Reddit could sway an election. | ||
| We wouldn't do it. | ||
| Then what do they do? | ||
| Now they're actively censoring, you know, conservatives, Trump supporters. | ||
| So we're seeing this kind of thing just basically across the board. | ||
| I guess I would just ask you, we have the story. | ||
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All right. | |
| So, you know, I don't know what else to say about it to say about, well, this one individual. | ||
| So I'm going to ask you to with, with all of the exposes you've done on Google so far, give us the big picture of what's happening with Google, with Facebook, with Twitter, from this story to the other stories you've done. | ||
| Right, well, you know, and I think video, I've said this many times, video transfixes in a way that words don't. | ||
| So kind of hearing these people talk about how they do this and what they do with the, first with the Google clip we were talking about a moment ago, a woman said we've got to prevent the next Trump situation. | ||
| This guy saying it seems they favor Democrats with their algorithms. | ||
| It's becoming more obvious, it's becoming more clear that there is no shame on these platforms. | ||
| And I think the recent New York Post story was a good example of that. | ||
| Where it's just, it's no longer you need a hidden camera. | ||
| They're just doing it out in the open. | ||
| And I still believe that if the content, if the story is good enough, it can circumvent the powers that be because people are hungry for real, raw, enlightened information. | ||
| So that's my premise. | ||
| If that premise is off, or if that's wrong, then maybe this escalates into the next DEF CON stage, which is civil unrest in this country. | ||
| But I still believe fundamentally that people are intelligent enough to be receptive to real and raw information like you're seeing with Project Veritas. | ||
| And what's more, Tim, is, and I can't emphasize this enough for your show, Veritas' vision is insiders and whistleblowers coming public. | ||
| Brave people. | ||
| That's why our motto is Be Brave, Do Something. | ||
| So when I do something like this, what happens is six Google insiders will contact me and say, Hey bro, I've seen this. | ||
| I don't want to lose my job, but here's an encrypted. | ||
| And then it's like this army of people because they can stop one man, but they can't stop a thousand people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's like this whole idea of an army, a thousand insiders sending information at the same time. | ||
| Well, this guy, Ritesh, I feel bad for him. | ||
| I mean, he's going to get a lot of unwanted attention. | ||
| He's being honest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he says in this clip, if the, what does he say, if Trump wins, there'll be riots. | ||
| If the left wins, they'll be ecstatic. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, he's being, he's being honest about what's happening in this country. | ||
| He tells you, you know, candidly what's happening. | ||
| I feel bad because, you know, I don't want, I don't want this guy to go through any hardship or anything because of this. | ||
| The problem is, what happens when no one is willing to step forward and tell you what's actually happening and they're actively participating in it? | ||
| I had this conversation with a guy named Eric Weinstein on his podcast for like two hours about this ethics of blurring faith. | ||
| Very fascinating, very intellectual conversation, but I was telling my staff that Ernest Hemingway once said, what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after. | ||
| Morally defensible journalism is really what you feel good about afterward. | ||
| It is only that which makes you feel better than you would otherwise. | ||
| So it's like eating coal in the forest to help your stomach. | ||
| It never feels good, but you feel better after you do it. | ||
| Undercover work is tough. | ||
| People don't like it. | ||
| It's like you're filming someone without them knowing. | ||
| Sometimes they're good people, sometimes they're bad people. | ||
| In this case, this guy is probably some combination of somewhere in between. | ||
| But the public's right to know is paramount. | ||
| And we're better off for knowing this information. | ||
| I don't like harming people. | ||
| That's not the intent of this. | ||
| We're not trying to shame people. | ||
| We're trying to... What's more important than a monopoly on a search engine telling you we're trying to elect this guy? | ||
| Nothing's more important than that. | ||
| And it's a public place, we're in a restaurant, so it's a very interesting ethical conversation I suppose, but I think we need more of this sort of thing, not less of it. | ||
| I agree though. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I feel bad, you know, because I empathize with somebody who is scared to come forward, won't be honest about it. | ||
| But I also feel like at a certain point, if you know what you're doing is destroying something, someone, society, and you're like, well, I'm not going to stick my neck out. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of messed up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's no other option. | ||
| It's a choiceless choice to do this work because people are not going to speak on the record. | ||
| Nobody will ever do that. | ||
| I mean, Well, once in a while, I mean, you had Eric Cochran, our colleague at Pinterest, was making a ton of money, and he gave it all up. | ||
| And he said, I just, what am I going to do? | ||
| I'm going to be ashes to ashes one day and go to the grave, and I'm young and want to do this. | ||
| I hope to find more of these people. | ||
| We have a tip line, Veritas, that's V-E-R-I-T-A-S, tips at protonmail.com, for those of you watching, if you want to be brave and do something. | ||
| So there's a lot of options. | ||
| You know man, I worked for a Disney company. | ||
| It was ABC Univision. | ||
| And it's interesting, you said something that reminded me of what they told me. | ||
| Side with the audience. | ||
| The goal of this news outlet, Fusion, as I was told multiple times by the president, was to just say things that the audience would agree with. | ||
| And so I asked him, if there is a story that is factually true but would upset our audience, we wouldn't report it? | ||
| And he said, I think that's fair. | ||
| How does that translate? | ||
| Let's say you have raw footage of a Proud Boy walking down the street, and then Antifa runs up to him and punches him in the face. | ||
| The Proud Boy gets up and punches back. | ||
| The full context would offend our audience. | ||
| We don't report it. | ||
| The shorter context would not offend our audience. | ||
| The Proud Boy hitting Antifa. | ||
| That's the story that complements their worldview. | ||
| The Proud Boys are bad. | ||
| So ultimately, I never blew the whistle or anything while I was there, but I refused to play ball with them. | ||
| I ended up leaving and then basically explaining everything about what these companies do, how they do it, how the media manipulates. | ||
| And I think too many people Have said to me things like, oh, well, this is really funny to me. | ||
| They say, yeah, but you could support yourself, but, you know, you weren't worried about what, you know, what you were, like, you were gonna lose your job. | ||
| You didn't care. | ||
| Like, I cared about all that stuff. | ||
| I was worried that coming out, I did a video that Sargon of Akkad put on his channel, where it was me breaking down four different ways, I think it was four, that the media was manipulating everybody. | ||
| And I knew, I'm like, I'm gonna put out a video on this, you know, this YouTuber, you know, anti-feminist guy's channel. | ||
| They're not going to hire me. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| I'm going to say this right now, let everybody know, and this is how we're going to get it out, because these companies won't let me say it. | ||
| And then I better start something on my own, because I'm never going back to these companies. | ||
| I had actually gone to a bunch of these, I'm not going to name them, but you know who they are, these big New York digital firms. | ||
| And some of them were like, you name your job, you name your salary. | ||
| And I said, I am not going to get, I saw some of the people working there, I'm not going to get myself in a situation like that anymore. | ||
| You're an entrepreneur, and that's very important what you're doing. | ||
| It's like you have to be a journalist and a businessman at the same time. | ||
| I mean, it's very important. | ||
| You are an entrepreneur. | ||
| I'm at your place right now, and it's amazing what you are building and what you've built. | ||
| And what I've learned in my career is that when I started, I was in a garage with nothing but a mic and a laptop. | ||
| And I realized, OK, in order to make videos, I have to do something else and I have to be the chairman of a company and I don't settle litigation. | ||
| I have to raise millions of dollars. | ||
| So in order to do what I think is right, in order to not compromise or ever sell out, I haven't sold out to anyone. | ||
| I'm not answering to anybody. | ||
| I have no advertisers. | ||
| No one can boycott me. | ||
| I had to build a company and learn how to be a CEO in order to do my passion, which is investigative reporting. | ||
| Otherwise, I can't do investigative reporting because I have to be owned by somebody. | ||
| And that's what you're doing and more power to you. | ||
| Well so the reason I tell this story is just because my own personal experience with not | ||
| – I'm not going to pretend it's as brave as some of the whistleblowers you've seen | ||
| because my contract expired. | ||
| I was in golden handcuffs. | ||
| I couldn't do anything. | ||
| I was straight up told by the president I wasn't allowed to participate in a presidential event because of my race. | ||
| Because I looked too white. | ||
| I was told that, and I was actually contemplating, like, do I sue them for this? | ||
| And I was like, I don't want to get involved in any of that. | ||
| I just want to carry on. | ||
| But what I'm trying to get to is, When you say be brave, that's exactly it. | ||
| A lot of people seem to think that they're like, they look to me, they look to successful people and they say, you're the exception. | ||
| I know that if I strike out on my own, that I'm going to fail. | ||
| No, no, you have to just try. | ||
| You've got to, you've got to throw it out there. | ||
| So if you're, I'll tell you this, man, you have two choices. | ||
| If you work for one of these companies and you know, they're doing something wrong and you say, well, I'm not getting my hands dirty or taking my neck out. | ||
| Then, then how are you not a part of the problem? | ||
| You are. | ||
| If you see something and you decide, I am going to stand up and let people know what they're doing, you are solving that problem. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But there are too many people who are more than happy to just let the problem carry on. | ||
| Well, you know, that's true. | ||
| And I think you've got to be a leader in this life. | ||
| You've got to take risks. | ||
| Courage is the virtue that sustains all others. | ||
| I don't think you need to have a hundred thousand people or a million. | ||
| You just need a few. | ||
| You need like a couple dozen. | ||
| Again, going back to this example of Eric Cochran. | ||
| You meet this guy. | ||
| He works with us. | ||
| He runs our... This is the Pinterest whistleblower. | ||
| Pinterest whistleblower. | ||
| And it just brings tears to your eyes to hear him talk about... He left a salary, a very high salary. | ||
| And he describes why he did it and he says a lot of people go through life and they just want the material things in life and that's not what life is about. | ||
| And you get a lot more fulfillment in standing up for something that is right. | ||
| And I don't think I could ever do anything but Project Veritas. | ||
| I've tried to live a normal life. | ||
| I've tried to go to law school and do all these things. | ||
| I just feel so passionately that if you stand up for what's right and moral and decent, like you have done in your career, you know, good things will happen. | ||
| And I don't know what the alternative is. | ||
| Do you know the story of how the Nobel Peace Prize or the Nobel Prize came about? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's the dude Nobel, inventor of dynamite. | ||
| Someone at the news outlet, I guess, accidentally published his obituary early. | ||
| And I'm probably flubbing some of the details because I'm not pulling it off the website or anything. | ||
| But apparently they accidentally published his obituary early. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| And they called him the Merchant of Death. | ||
| And so he apparently got panicked. | ||
| It was like, is that my legacy? | ||
| So he decided to create something to be, you know, to be better. | ||
| The Nobel Prize and all the chemistry, engineering, mathematics, Peace Prize, etc. | ||
| I think people... It's... Maybe it's something that not all people have, this feeling about what you're going to leave behind. | ||
| But I'm curious if, you know, these people at Google who refuse to speak up, the people who are there... Like, look, clearly not everybody at Google is a zealot who wants to manipulate people and control the world, thinking their ideology is legit. | ||
| This guy clearly doesn't. | ||
| He thinks they're playing God and there's something wrong with what they're doing. | ||
| It's unethical. | ||
| But why wouldn't he just actually come out and give that statement, put out that video, and say, hey guys, this is happening? | ||
| Do people not care about the legacy that they leave behind? | ||
| I think people are afraid. | ||
| I think that the only thing you have to fear is fear can Fear itself. | ||
| But the biggest question that I get asked is, what can I do? | ||
| Do you get asked that question? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| It's like, what can I do? | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| And, you know, Dennis Prager says there's three types of people in the world. | ||
| There's people who fight, people who support those who fight, maybe financially, and those who do nothing. | ||
| So, you know, you could certainly financially support those who do things, or you can do things, or you can do nothing. | ||
| Those are the three options. | ||
| The biggest question I get asked is, how can I help? | ||
| How can I contribute? | ||
| And I'm not saying it's for everybody, but there's a tiny fraction of people who... I mean, this guy Zach Voorhees, another one I didn't mention at Google, algorithmic unfairness. | ||
| Zach leaked the document out of Google, and he was terminated by Google. | ||
| And he said, quote, this was an act of atonement, an attempt to make my conscience clear. | ||
| Very powerful. | ||
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| And he meant it. | ||
| And he was tearing up. | ||
| And, you know, it's just, some people can, it's a choiceless choice. | ||
| They can't, they can't do anything. | ||
| And whistleblowing, which is what, sort of what some of us do at Project Garotas, because a lot of the people are not my employees. | ||
| They're actually people who just send me stuff. | ||
| It's like you're an astronaut which is let go from a spacecraft. | ||
| You're not part of any organization. | ||
| You're not part of Veritas. | ||
| You're not part of Google. | ||
| You're just out there floating out in the wind with no safety net for a higher purpose. | ||
| And in the 20th century, you had Jeffrey Weigand and these sorts of whistleblowers, their lives were over. | ||
| All they had was 60 minutes. | ||
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| But in this day and age, there's GoFundMe, there's a life after whistleblowing, although that's an ideal. | ||
| Right, the GoFundMe thing. | ||
| But there's a new market for this sort of thing. | ||
| It used to be in the 20th century you'd get divorced, you'd be bankrupt, your life would be over. | ||
| Most whistleblowers have reportedly said that they regretted doing it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They wished they could not do it. | ||
| They were naive. | ||
| I think there's a new era. | ||
| I think there's a new age. | ||
| I think we're living in an era of... These are the times that try men's souls, to quote Thomas Paine. | ||
| I think There's like this new movement of people that are about to do this, Tim. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you were talking last night, oh, we're gonna go to war. | ||
| Okay, well, before we go to war, there's gonna be whistleblowers recording everything, I think. | ||
| To quote Breitbart. | ||
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| Yes, to quote Breitbart. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, you know, yeah, so last night we were talking about where do we go from here? | ||
| And you were saying, I think, civil unrest. | ||
| And I said, yeah, I do believe that the trajectory we're on leads to full-scale conflict of some kind. | ||
| What that looks like, I don't know. | ||
| And I know it's interesting, you know, a lot of people don't like the conversation around potential civil war or anything like that, but I think people get confused about what it really means. | ||
| I'm not talking about factions marching in the streets anytime soon or anything like that. | ||
| But I do think that we're seeing this, and I'm going to pause right here, and I wanted to say this as soon as we pull up this article. | ||
| I got bad news for you, man. | ||
| This doesn't shock anybody anymore. | ||
| I think it's really, really important. | ||
| You're putting this stuff out. | ||
| You're showing it. | ||
| You're confirming it. | ||
| You're proving it. | ||
| And it's at a point now where I see this and I'm like, I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So what do we do? | ||
| It's like we're hitting a wall, you know what I mean? | ||
| Well, I don't know if I agree completely. | ||
| I think that you need to do more of it. | ||
| This is like, I do these things. | ||
| I used to do these things once a month. | ||
| Now I'm doing them like three times a week. | ||
| It was, you know, Andrew Breitbart wrote a book called Righteous Indignation, which I believe was coined by Ida Tarbell, the investigative reporter. | ||
| Investigative reporting, there's another book called Custodians of Conscience, so we test investigative reporting, test and affirms what is moral and what is not moral, and that there's that Overton window where you're kind of testing where the boundaries are about, and you're setting the threshold of anger. | ||
| It's hard! | ||
| Because there's so much noise and crap. | ||
| How do you break through that? | ||
| Investigative reporting is the fiercest of indignation fused with the hardest of fact. | ||
| So you're trying to find these facts that are outrageous to people. | ||
| And it is hard, but I think it's working, Eric Sprachman. | ||
| I think we're getting there. | ||
| I think we just have to do more of it. | ||
| I think you need a hundred videos. | ||
| And the audience is not going to watch CNN because they can't stand it. | ||
| I mean, CNN has no viewers, by the way. | ||
| Nobody watches CNN. | ||
| Actually, their viewers have been going up. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird phenomenon right now. | ||
| Tucker Carlson, of course, as you probably heard, has the highest rated cable news show in history. | ||
| Over 5 million in the past, like a week or two ago, massive. | ||
| But around the same time, Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper have been skyrocketing as well. | ||
| So, it's... What numbers are we talking about? | ||
| I'm talking about Anderson Cooper hitting 3 million. | ||
| 3 million. | ||
| 3 million. | ||
| And Rachel Maddow hitting 4. | ||
| Like in one night? | ||
| We can average over the week. | ||
| We can beat that. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you this. | ||
| Across my channels, I'm getting over 100. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And on YouTube, CNN's getting 190. | ||
| So, for one person, you know... Not bad. | ||
| And this show actually has a couple people. | ||
| But compared to CNN's, you know, Yeah, I think they're on the way out. | ||
| I think they're doing really well now because of the Orange Man narrative. | ||
| The Trump bump, you know, and Tucker sort of cuts through a lot of the BS. | ||
| So, you know, naturally his show does well. | ||
| But none of these companies, none of these media organizations are willing to be the tip of the spear. | ||
| They don't go there. | ||
| Vice's unique value proposition was, we go there. | ||
| Imagine how broken the news business is when your unique value proposition to your customers is, we go to the place we're reporting on. | ||
| None of these people will ever have me on TV, obviously, but they'll talk about this stuff. | ||
| I think it's that idea of the tip of the spear being in an exposed position where you're not just responding to events but you're actually creating events. | ||
| The Google thing tonight is new information into the matrix. | ||
| It's like not just us talking about pre-existing information. | ||
| And most media corporations, because they're commercial, that economic imperative compromises their their their what they do I don't have an | ||
| economic imperative We have never generated a penny of profit which is a pain | ||
| in the ass, but I have to go Work a hundred hours a week raising a pay bill | ||
| But we you know I'm saying I think it's economics not ideology. Isn't there a partisan element to it? There is | ||
| There exists. | ||
| But Jeff Zucker, I mean, everything I've learned about the guy, I mean, he kind of built Trump up and then he tried to tear him down. | ||
| And I don't know what these companies are going to do after Trump. | ||
| So you do fundraising relentlessly? | ||
| Constantly. | ||
| Would you consider your donors to be conservative? | ||
| Some, many of them, some of them. | ||
| There seems to be a overlap between conservatism, I don't even know what that, I don't even know what that means anymore. | ||
| To be honest, I agree. | ||
| And reality. | ||
| There seems to be a, because. | ||
| That's the inverse Colbert proposition. | ||
| Because CNN, they just keep yammering about crap. | ||
| I mean, I've been through the ringer with this, New York Times and USA, they literally say the opposite, we should talk about this, the opposite of what is real. | ||
| So if, so if you, if you just, You know, extrapolate that over everything they say. | ||
| If I just aim my camera in any direction, any direction, it's going to show things that are contrary to what they show you. | ||
| Is that conservative? | ||
| I don't really consider myself an ideologue. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| I tend to focus on the sacred cows, the organizations that these places won't go, won't talk about, because I believe in justice. | ||
| I always have, since I was a college student. | ||
| My professors were telling me how great Stalin was, and I said, no, no, that's not true. | ||
| So I guess I'm more of a contrarian? | ||
| If the media was saying doing the inverse, I'd probably, my cameras would show something different, right? | ||
| I think, how about anti-establishment, in a sense? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| So I consider myself to be fairly anti-establishment, and that's why I'm often ragging on, I find myself ragging on Democrats. | ||
| Because I don't like the Republicans either, but right now, with Trump, you have something very different. | ||
| And so, when it comes to the things that we see on CNN and MSNBC, on mainstream news outlets, these are supposed to be the news outlets that are informing everybody and being fair, and they're not. | ||
| They're clearly pandering to one side and catering to one political faction in this country. | ||
| So I view that as, do I care what Breitbart is doing? | ||
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| Why would I care? | ||
| Breitbart's not that big. | ||
| Do I care about what the New York Times is doing? | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| They're the Grey Lady, the paper of record. | ||
| When they're acting, you know, a fool, I'm worried about that. | ||
| Look, I get it. | ||
| There's always going to be some little blog, some right-wing channel, some right-wing news outlet or something. | ||
| And then I hear all of these, you know, you see like Brian Stelter on CNN saying, Fox News does this. | ||
| And I'm like, yes, so what? | ||
| It's one channel. | ||
| They do this sometimes, they do that sometimes. | ||
| What about you guys? | ||
| What about ABC, NBC, CBS? | ||
| All of these, Washington Post, they're all endorsing Biden. | ||
| They're all, you know, not every single one of them, but a lot of papers are endorsing a political candidate. | ||
| They're putting out information. | ||
| They're clearly lying about it. | ||
| Like the Twitter fact check. | ||
| Did you see this? | ||
| When the New York Post story got censored, the Washington Post fact check put up on Twitter said, Joe Biden played no role In ousting the Ukrainian prosecutor, even though he's on video saying he did! | ||
| This is what they're going to start doing now, is just saying the quite literal opposite of reality that's happened to us. | ||
| I'm aware of it. | ||
| Anyway, my point is, I view things as like, the establishment is breaking the rules, and that's a problem to me. | ||
| If there are people who oppose the establishment, who are much smaller, who are breaking the rules, I'll bring it up when it matters, but I don't think it's that significant. | ||
| Like, I understand it can be in concert with all these other channels, but anyway, that's just me kind of breaking down my point of view. | ||
| As it relates to you, you guys have been accused of being, you know, partisan, conservative, and going after left-wing organizations and trying to smear them or whatever. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's a lot of examples to the contrary. | ||
| I mean, we went after the Republican Attorney General of New Hampshire recently because his deputy said that there was no such thing as voter ID in the state, and I confronted Gordon McDonald, who is a Republican, who works for Chris Sununu, who is a Republican. | ||
| There are examples in Amy Robach, the Jeffrey Epstein video. | ||
| That wasn't conservative or liberal, that was actually plotted by liberals, and suddenly the New Republic was like, is James O'Keefe legitimate now? | ||
| They actually have a headline that said that. | ||
| It's like the moment I go after the NRA, we live in a world not of angels but angles, where people don't ever think that our motives are pure. | ||
| Not everything's political. | ||
| What's going to happen to him eventually is that whistleblowers are just going to trust me because I don't settle lawsuits and don't back down. | ||
| And there's going to be 10, 20, 30, 40% of our sources that just bring us straight up corruption. | ||
| If someone comes to me, Republicans ripping up ballots, I will air that video. | ||
| I guarantee, I swear to God, if someone gives me a video of Republican congressmen, I'm publishing the video, but I don't get videos of Republicans. | ||
| I get a guy in Minnesota who says, absentee ballot. | ||
| We don't care that it's illegal. | ||
| The guy is saying, I don't care that it's illegal. | ||
| And the New York Times says, there's no evidence. | ||
| This is unsubstantiated. | ||
| Well, what is evidence? | ||
| The guy's on tape. | ||
| It's like a South Park episode. | ||
| It's like Parker and Stone come up with the most outrageous video. | ||
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| Let's get some Somalis. | ||
| Let's put them in a car. | ||
| Let's say, I'm still hustling at two in the morning, ripping up absentee ballots, blank ballots. | ||
| I break the law. | ||
| It looks like a South Park episode. | ||
| And the New York Times goes, this is unsubstantiated video. So it's his own video. It's | ||
| a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you have the incontrovertible evidence and the New York | ||
| Times says it's unsubstantiated and the information monopolists at Facebook only cite quote-unquote | ||
| verified... you guys all know this. And Jeff Bezos, who was speaking in the Washington | ||
| Post, I have a quote here. | ||
| This is Jeff Bezos, maybe the most biggest, most powerful company, Amazon, in the world. | ||
| Quote, even though the Washington Post is a complexifier for me, I do not at all regret my investment. | ||
| The Post is a critical institution with a critical mission. | ||
| This is, quote, something I will be most proud of. | ||
| I think it's very telling the CEO of Amazon thinks that his investment in some woke clickbait rag in Washington. | ||
| Is the most important thing he will have done in his life. | ||
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| The media is more powerful than all three branches of the government of the United States. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that's truth. | ||
| So anyway, what I was getting to in terms of the bias accusations against you, what I really love about this was when you're publishing Google. | ||
| Is Google a left-wing institution now? | ||
| When they say that you're targeting liberal organizations or leftists, they're almost admitting that these big tech companies Are. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Or the newspapers are. | ||
| The Democrat media complex. | ||
| I think Ritesh Lakar tonight. | ||
| We're going to have more videos tomorrow. | ||
| And he does say that they are, they lean that way. | ||
| And it appears to be, Tim, the case that they are partisan institutions. | ||
| And some of the evidence in these tapes, you'll see one tomorrow, which it might even trigger an FEC complaint. | ||
| There is a hearing next week in D.C., the Senate committee. | ||
| What is it, Eric? | ||
| The Senate Commerce Committee is having a hearing, and I'm sure they'll play some of this. | ||
| If they're helping left-wing parties Democrat parties in advertising on Google, that triggered an FEC violation. | ||
| I think, speaking of the Washington Post, and how social media amplifies a lot of what these journalists do, verifying them, giving them credibility, I love it when I see a verified journalist with 300 followers. | ||
| Well, they're verified, they work for the news outlet, that's why it's important, I guess. | ||
| And let me tell you a story. | ||
| In, I think it may have been 2016, it's been a while now, the Washington Post published a story That insinuated, out of thin air, that Kim.com, the notorious mega-upload hacker, fabricated a trove of emails, or something, to- I got a pair- It's been a long time since I've covered this story, but they basically wrote this story claiming that he may have hacked Seth Rich's email account, or tried to break into Seth Rich's email account. | ||
| to plant a trove of fake emails to prove quote-unquote prove the Seth Rich conspiracy theory that was it the DNC staffer Seth Rich leaked emails that that's the conspiracy I guess to WikiLeaks they made this whole story up completely fabricated So the general story was that someone in the Rich family got a mega-upload email saying they signed up. | ||
| And from that tidbit, this guy, Dave Weigel, at the Washington Post, fabricated this whole thing. | ||
| So I went on Twitter, I found his number, and I called him. | ||
| And I was like, you know, I think I sent him a signal message, like, I was very polite, very professional, saying, Hi, my name is Tim Poole, I'm a journalist. | ||
| I'm curious as to your sources, to verify, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And he just was like, Oh, what is this? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Basically, the sum of the story. | ||
| A fake story was written to smear Kim.com and people who were concerned about WikiLeaks' release with no evidence, and then I think it was maybe six or eight months later, they went back and changed the entire story. | ||
| And you can track all of this on newsdiffs.org, which I'm not sure if they exist anymore, but at the time, they showed you the difference from the original article and the article as it was changed in November. | ||
| I think it was published in May, I think. | ||
| It was a smear, a hit job, and then after the dust settles, in November, they go in and they change all the language without telling anybody. | ||
| I've seen this so many times. | ||
| So when you have the Washington Post, for instance, that does something like that, and I've seen it, they endorse Joe Biden, and then they put up this false Twitter fact check. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Twitter had this fake fact check up for days. | ||
| Were you able to pull it up? | ||
| I'm trying to right now. | ||
| But I just wanna say, while you're talking to me about this, the people on your show, the people watching this, there are insiders that are reaching out to our encrypted ProtonMail address right now. | ||
| Already. | ||
| Like right now. | ||
| My chief operations just sent me a message. | ||
| There's people, literally, right now, insiders are coming to the email address. | ||
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| They're watching your show. | ||
| Veritas. | ||
| We're in a good band. | ||
| I'm gonna do another ad. | ||
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| VeritasTipsAtProtonMail.com. | ||
| You know that show, Cars for Kids? | ||
| Do you ever hear that on there? | ||
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| Yeah, Cars for Kids. | ||
| One, eight, seven, seven cars for kids. | ||
| Veritas tips at ProtonMail. | ||
| We need a MyPillow jingle. | ||
| Right now, Eric, there are insiders coming to us watching Tim Pool's show. | ||
| I feel like we're doing one of those... What are those things they used to do where they would raise money on public access TV? | ||
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The phones are ringing off the hooves! | |
| The ProtonMail is being inundated with whistleblowers as we speak! | ||
| Like the Live Aid concert. | ||
| There are people working for tech companies watching Tim Pool's livecast right now who are emailing Project Veritas right now, on the inside. | ||
| Yeah, give me one of those cameras. | ||
| We're gonna get banned. | ||
| You are changing the world and you don't even know it. | ||
| I mean, I think so. | ||
| It's the goal every day to just do something. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you know Jack Murphy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was like, you work so much, Tim. | ||
| It's like 16-hour days. | ||
| And I was like, I'm just trying not to be bored. | ||
| If I wasn't working, I'd be sitting there just staring at the wall. | ||
| Could you do anything but what you're doing? | ||
| Could you really go back to doing this, right? | ||
| Oh, I do a ton of stuff. | ||
| I showed you my music video. | ||
| Well, that's true. | ||
| Yeah, I'm crazy. | ||
| I just work all the time. | ||
| Do you think you'll ever stop doing the sort of journalistic stuff in your life? | ||
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| And I think it's a blessing in a lot of ways because it's something you can always contribute to. | ||
| I can be bedridden and I can be writing something down or I can be researching. | ||
| You know, I could break my leg skating. | ||
| My hands could be ripped off by some kind of strange shark for some reason. | ||
| And I'd still be able to talk and read and use my feet for my computer or whatever. | ||
| Voice the text? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| It's always been a passion of mine to read things, to understand things. | ||
| I've been on the internet since I was little, researching, reading, and understanding. | ||
| And you know what it really is? | ||
| I don't really trust people. | ||
| It's probably a problem. | ||
| But I would hear people say things and I'd be like, I don't know if that's true, and I'd check. | ||
| And then I would check again. | ||
| And then so it turned into me just being like, here's what I think about things and here's, you know, here's my experience. | ||
| And from going on the ground and traveling around, it was like, I like traveling. | ||
| I would travel and then tell people what I thought. | ||
| Now it's a little too dangerous because people know who I am and antivirus are, you know, threatening me and stuff. | ||
| So now it's more of just- You used to do more field work. | ||
| You used to be in there. | ||
| Used to be all the field. | ||
| Yeah, all the field. | ||
| All I did was- You did a bunch of field work in the early days. | ||
| I still do. | ||
| You know, I'm like, you know, sometimes I'd be like patting and go in there like I'm a tank, you know. | ||
| But you don't do any field work anymore? | ||
| Uh, I would say there's a couple things we might end up doing soon. | ||
| Like, I have the van ready to go. | ||
| Maybe after the election, but the challenge is... I'll tell you this. | ||
| I don't think people realize, you know, my... I'm not super political, personally. | ||
| Like, I clearly have my opinions on, you know, Trump and the Democrats and Republicans and stuff like that. | ||
| But my interest is always more just like, what's the biggest story? | ||
| And that's why if you go back like a year or two and look at my YouTube channel, there's stuff about, you know, Jordan Peterson. | ||
| There's stuff about cultural issues. | ||
| I have a video from a couple years ago that's got over a million views about men not wanting to help women and children because they might get accused or something like that. | ||
| And so it was always just like, what was the news cycle? | ||
| What was important? | ||
| What did I think mattered? | ||
| And now that we're in this big election cycle, especially coming after 2018 with They've ramped up like crazy all the anti-Trump stuff and the street violence. | ||
| So it's just dominated everything. | ||
| Look, if all of this stuff goes away after the election night, you know, Joe Biden wins in a landslide, Trump shakes his hand, they wave, and then everything's back to the Obama years, which is never going to happen, then, you know, I'll be off, you know, in, you know, I don't know, Middle East or something, covering some conflict or crisis like I was doing eight years ago. | ||
| But it's the way I explain it to people. | ||
| I had a friend hit me up and say, you know, there's this huge unrest in Thailand right now. | ||
| Will you cover it? | ||
| And I said, I've been following it, but I'm not going to cover it. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| There's an election happening right now, and the most important story to me that I care about is the US election, media censorship, manipulation, and what's going to happen to us after January 20th. | ||
| If, you know, six years ago, I was in Thailand, you know, I was in Turkey, I was in these countries because that was the most important thing I could see. | ||
| Things in the U.S. | ||
| were kind of just, you know, moseying along, but everything started to change. | ||
| I don't know where we're ending up, but I tell you this, there's a lot of people who seem to think that voting for Joe Biden will bring them back to those good old days, the Obama year. | ||
| No, you know, it's never going back to normal. | ||
| The world has changed fundamentally. | ||
| Social media has changed the game. | ||
| We are not returning to some bygone era of even five years ago. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| It's from here, wherever we go, I don't know. | ||
| What's your prediction with the social media companies after the election? | ||
| What do you think is going to happen? | ||
| The social media companies? | ||
| The next six months, what's going to happen? | ||
| Trump and the Republicans landslide across the board, then maybe some kind of Section 230 reform. | ||
| I'm not confident. | ||
| I mean, the Republicans controlled everything from 2016 to 2018. | ||
| They did nothing. | ||
| They couldn't even get the funding for the wall and stuff like that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| That's an interesting topic. | ||
| Why are the Republicans so weak when they get the power? | ||
| I have a theory. | ||
| Well, my theory for 2016 is that it was corporate crony establishment politicians. I've never seen | ||
| a difference between the Republican and the Democrat. I don't care. I | ||
| used to, I made a meme back in the day on Facebook of the Republicans and the Democrats | ||
| like holding hands behind your back because I view them as | ||
| fundamentally the same thing. They don't care about principles. I think it's the Dinesh | ||
| D'Souza line about the Republicans fear the terrifying and humiliating power | ||
| of the press. | ||
| Like they don't do the right, they don't do the thing that they're reluctant to do because | ||
| the media will crap on them and ultimately what they want is to be praised by the New | ||
| York Times. | ||
| Because it hurts. | ||
| I mean I can tell you, they've probably given him Dean Beck case satisfaction saying this. | ||
| It's a difference between seeking their recognition and knowing that it's hurtful. | ||
| You know no one wants to be boycotted, targeted, you know, tarred and feathered. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So I think that's my theory why the Republicans are on Capitol Hill. | ||
| You know what I am? | ||
| Republicans aren't cool. | ||
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| And people want to be cool. | ||
| And so the Republicans have seemed to be, especially now, desperately trying to be like, hey, I'm hip. | ||
| New York Times, look at me. | ||
| I'm cool. | ||
| I'm like those celebrities. | ||
| But it's changing. | ||
| It's definitely changing. | ||
| And I had a conversation, believe it or not, there's a lot of Hollywood celebrities, rock stars, musicians, artists, et cetera, who are secretly pro-Trump. | ||
| And many of them hit me up, pro-skateboarders even, you know. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Oh man, you'd be surprised. | ||
| It's like the Soviet Union, they can't tell their friends or their family. | ||
| Skateboarders, this is crazy to me, are not leftists. | ||
| They used to be. | ||
| Like when I was growing up it was like, When it was cool? | ||
| So what do they do? | ||
| You know, you know what it was is because skateboarders oppose the moral authoritarians skateboarders want to be | ||
| left alone So now you have this moral authoritarian left insulting | ||
| attacking skateboarders like making edgy art They like pushing security guards running away and skating | ||
| and just what do they do? They just message you. Hey, don't tell anybody | ||
| Like how do they reach out to you? | ||
| I had someone message me crying. | ||
| On the phone? | ||
| Just text message? | ||
| Like, sending me a message being like, I'm in tears right now, I'm crying, I'm so scared, I, you know, I can't believe what's happening in this country. | ||
| And these are celebrities and things like that, so, you know, I bring this up just to say... Oh, I forgot exactly where I was gonna go with this, but my, you know, my point from there is that there's a lot of people who, believe it or not, are cool and don't want to be on the left. | ||
| So that was kind of the point I was saying is that Republicans aren't cool. | ||
| Right. But I've gotten hit up by now probably like three or four different | ||
| cool types. | ||
| And I know the air quotes like stereotypically celebrity hip saying things | ||
| like the reason why they think what I do is so important is because it's kind of | ||
| anti-establishment. But I'm not some suit wearing Republican. | ||
| Yeah. You know, like beanie and skateboards. | ||
| Even getting to know you, which I've this is like the second time I've met you. | ||
| You're singing. | ||
| You're singing music that's beautiful music. | ||
| Good animation. | ||
| You've got a good voice. | ||
| You're an artistic, creative individual. | ||
| And a lot of these people in DC are stodgy. | ||
| They write white papers. | ||
| They can't dance. | ||
| There's a skateboard park on this property that you built. | ||
| And you sing. | ||
| I find myself the same way. | ||
| I was a thespian before I was a journalist. | ||
| But there's something to that. | ||
| There's a creative aspect. | ||
| Charisma. | ||
| It's charismatic. | ||
| It's creativity. | ||
| Republicans lack charisma. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| They're terrible storytellers. | ||
| Have you ever seen a movie funded by conservative money? | ||
| I'm not going to name any names. | ||
| It's actually just so funny. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| And when the left makes a movie, they just make a movie. | ||
| Let's make a conservative movie. | ||
| I gotta point this out, though. | ||
| I think things are changing, and this is really, really important for... I don't think it's about the right. | ||
| It's about freedom, liberty. | ||
| It's about respect, individualism, and civil rights. | ||
| And right now, the left doesn't have that. | ||
| They're moral authoritarians. | ||
| It used to be the right back when I was growing up, and, you know, the religious right, moral authoritarians, putting labels on things and banning things. | ||
| It's not anymore. | ||
| So, I'm gonna point something out. | ||
| Can you change it to James' camera again? | ||
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Yeah, I can. | |
| Up in the corner of the screen, right behind you, there's a picture of Joe Biden eating a small child. | ||
| I like that one. | ||
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I love it. | |
| This is some of the best art I've ever seen. | ||
| I ordered a bunch of these prints from George Alexopoulos. | ||
| He's gprime85 on Twitter and Instagram. | ||
| And he makes these really amazing, like, comic critiques in its art. | ||
| And it's a gruesome and grotesque image of Joe Biden eating a child. | ||
| And it's incredible art. | ||
| I saw this on Twitter and I was trying to find this guy. | ||
| It's like a satirical exaggeration of what you'd imagine a Joe Biden nightmare to be. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| What's that artist, Ralph Steadman? | ||
| It's sort of like I got a Ralph Steadman. | ||
| There's a fear and loathing aspect to it. | ||
| I bring this up because this is incredible art that normally wouldn't be associated, you don't see these things associated with the right. | ||
| Never. | ||
| But now it's, this change is happening and that's, I think, there's a couple different ways to view what's happening whatever it is on the right. | ||
| You've got laughter, comedy, you know they try to cancel all the comedians claiming that they're bigots or far right or whatever. | ||
| So if you can't have a good time, what do you got? | ||
| But now you've got artists, you've got video games, you've got people that are now associating themselves with either Trump or just the right in terms of the culture war, and they are creative and charismatic and interesting and exciting. | ||
| And the right needs more of that. | ||
| And I don't know if it's the right or whatever you want to call it, but the world. | ||
| Well, the world's had it. | ||
| But whatever's happening right now, you have a lot of people just pretending to be on the left, I guess, or they are. | ||
| And the left is becoming so boring and corporate and stodgy and just like plastics. | ||
| It's like anti-punk rock. | ||
| The right has become punk. | ||
| What's that, the Sex Pistols guy? | ||
| Johnny Rotten. | ||
| Make America Great Again. | ||
| He's in for Trump. | ||
| And he voted for Hillary in 2016. | ||
| So I don't, I don't know if Trump's going to win again. | ||
| I kind of think he, you know, I kind of feel like he is. | ||
| And the Republicans I think are going to win, but I, I, I have no basis for this other than. | ||
| I don't think anybody knows what's going to happen. | ||
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Right. | |
| Nobody does. | ||
| And I think hard predictions are dumb, but, but, but I'll say this. | ||
| I think there's a fracture happening in, in reality. | ||
| I mean, you, you even hear it from the left that there's two different realities right now. | ||
| But I'll tell you what, man. | ||
| Whatever we're doing, this is the real world. | ||
| The work you're doing, the work we're doing here on the show, is reality. | ||
| And whatever CNN is doing is this weird fantasy realm of Russian spies and Trump peeing on beds and stuff. | ||
| But it really is insane. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| But people believe it. | ||
| The difference between the Soviet Propd and the American Propd is in the United States, people actually believe what they read. | ||
| In the Soviet Union, everyone thought it was a joke. | ||
| Privately when they're in their cottages and they're whispering to some of their kids, | ||
| some of whom they didn't even trust, they'd sell each other out, | ||
| they'd say, we all know this is BS. | ||
| But in the United States, what I've discovered and learned in doing this for 12 years | ||
| is a lot of people actually believe what they see on TV. | ||
| They believe it. | ||
| They see it and they go, that is the truth. | ||
| Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, I think was his name, would say if a lie is told enough, | ||
| people believe it's truth. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's like a phenomenon that's real. | ||
| Well, so, look, you put out a video of a guy saying Google is doing this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they say it's a smear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at all the ballots in my hand! | ||
| I'm gonna get paid for this! | ||
| And they're like- No evidence. | ||
| No evidence, no evidence. | ||
| So let's do this. | ||
| We'll use this to segue into the hit piece and how the fake news operates. | ||
| Amazing story, amazing story. | ||
| Tell me the story, James. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| I don't think you've ever seen me as angry and passionate that week I did those response videos. | ||
| I was angry. | ||
| I was pissed. | ||
| I don't get angry. | ||
| I was angry. | ||
| I was upset. | ||
| I've never seen anything like this in my career. | ||
| We put out this Minnesota video. | ||
| And it's got this guy in the car with all the ballots. | ||
| And this was recorded on his Snapchat. | ||
| I did not secretly record him. | ||
| Now you might ask, how did I? | ||
| This is a private Snapchat that one of my sources obtained. | ||
| So he posted it to an individual or two, and that person sent it to me. | ||
| It has a timestamp on the Snapchat. | ||
| It's July 2nd. | ||
| So we didn't even record this, Tim. | ||
| It was recorded by himself, of himself, in his car with many, many, many absentee ballots. | ||
| It's illegal in Minnesota to have more than three. | ||
| We put this out, all these clips of people saying, we're breaking the law, we don't care. | ||
| All these Somalis doing cash transactions for ballots. | ||
| It's all on the tape. | ||
| And the New York Times puts out an article, Tim, two hours before the presidential debate, because I'm pretty sure Trump was going to mention this. | ||
| You know, he's talking about fraud, ballot fraud. | ||
| And it says, you know, videos are part of a coordinated disinformation campaign, experts say. | ||
| Who are these experts? Stanford University researchers who they pay. | ||
| So what's interesting about this, and this is something that, you know, again going back to the Soviet Union, | ||
| they tend to project onto me that which they are. | ||
| They are the thing that they hate, and they accuse me of doing the thing that they do. | ||
| And they do it first, and they do it well. | ||
| And it's an incredibly effective Machiavellian tactic. | ||
| So they come out and say it's a coordinated disinformation campaign, when that's precisely what the New York Times is doing. | ||
| Now I'm going to speculate for a minute. | ||
| I think the executive editor of the New York Times knew that was defamatory, and it is, and I would win on summary judgment if I sue them, and I'm about to, but they told me they're going to retract the article. | ||
| We'll see if they retract in the coming days, and if they don't, I'll suit them for defamation. | ||
| So that pulls the teeth out of any suit? | ||
| The fact that they said, oh yeah, we're going to retract? | ||
| Yeah, the General Counsel said that they're going to make a correction. | ||
| But the USA Today has already used the article, so the USA Today is going to have to print a retraction. | ||
| So walk us through that, though. | ||
| Let's get to that point. | ||
| Well, let me just finish the point about... So I threatened to suit for defamation, the New York Times. | ||
| And they basically say that it's a disinformation campaign. | ||
| The New York Times, I think they made a utilitarian calculus and said, we know this is defamatory, but we need to muddy the waters of O'Keefe's work three weeks before the election, and we'll just deal with it two years from now in a trial. | ||
| And they knew they were part. | ||
| They are part of their own disinformation campaign, and it's genius to call me a disinformation expert. | ||
| They're the ones engaging in disinformation by contacting Stanford, quoting some idiot in a room who says, it's probably disinformation. | ||
| It is literally, I've never been more pissed. | ||
| So anyways, here's what happens. | ||
| We put a video out, USA Today quotes the New York Times, Facebook views USA Today as credible, and sends a notification out to every single person who has | ||
| ever shared that Minnesota video. I got texts from everyone in the country | ||
| James Facebook just told me you're fake news. And I think we've got my | ||
| attorney says and I don't want to be in the litigation business Tim because | ||
| there's only so many people I can sue my general counsel told me today is like what about suing | ||
| Facebook? | ||
| I mean it's just the only thing these people respond to is raw power. | ||
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That's what they want. | |
| They only care, the only thing they respond to is a threat to their power. | ||
| And I have not, and this is a pretty extraordinary accomplishment, I don't mean to brag, Project Veritas Corporation has never lost a lawsuit. | ||
| Not once. | ||
| We've been sued over a dozen times. | ||
| We've won eight straight lawsuits. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they'll take it all the way to the Supreme Court. | ||
| And at the end of the day, I'm in the right. | ||
| The facts and law are on our side. | ||
| So, a similar thing happened to me. | ||
| Someone took a tweet of mine that was factually correct about Bill Clinton, Epstein Island, and then reposted the screenshot. | ||
| Facebook said it was fake news. | ||
| Facebook's liaison for politics told me they can't do anything about it because it's the organizations that post the fact check. | ||
| The fact-checking organization told me to basically shove it, even though they knew what I posted was true, they have the power to deem it fake news. | ||
| Even though the link they put on it confirmed everything I said. | ||
| Which made me think, no, Facebook's the one who published that. | ||
| When Facebook sends a notification to your followers, or to people who have shared the story, that you are fake news, that's Facebook making a statement. | ||
| I think you should sue Facebook. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think you should challenge their Section 230 protections under the rules that they are not fairly moderating, and they personally made, Facebook made, a defamatory statement in that presumably algorithmic response they put out. | ||
| This is a very important point you're making, and I want your audience to know that it's very important we fight back. | ||
| It is a pain in the butt, but I have to sue these people. | ||
| And I will sue the New York Times. | ||
| If they don't retract the article, I'm suing them. | ||
| I swear, it's going to happen. | ||
| And I have to go through Discovery. | ||
| They'll go through Discovery. | ||
| It's very labor-intensive. | ||
| It's a headache. | ||
| I went to a trial once, a jury trial. | ||
| You're putting your company on the line. | ||
| But you have to fight back against these people in the courts. | ||
| And there's a lot of federal judges out there who do believe in the rule of law. | ||
| You can't defame someone. | ||
| You can't intentionally, maliciously, you know, if you're a public figure like me or Tim, It's actual malice. | ||
| You have to prove that they knew that they lied. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's hard. | ||
| And it's hard to prove. | ||
| But I think we went on summary judgment after Discovery against the New York Times. | ||
| And Nick Sandman sued the New York Times and CNN. | ||
| He settled out of court. | ||
| Would you get them to downscale the value of USA Today as a fact-checking organization? | ||
| I don't know how I could do that. | ||
| What do you mean by downscale? | ||
| Well, if USA Today came out and said that what you did was fake news and they were wrong, can you force Facebook through litigation to discredit USA Today henceforth? | ||
| It's a war of attrition. | ||
| All these litigation battles. | ||
| But USA Today is going to have to print a correction, because the New York Times is going to have to print a correction. | ||
| And when that happens, we can go to Facebook. | ||
| But the problem is, while all this is happening, we're two weeks away from a presidential election. | ||
| I continue breaking videos. | ||
| And media establishments... No, no, no. | ||
| It's a disinformation campaign, according to the New York Times. | ||
| So, you have to... As an entrepreneur, I've had to build a whole division within Project Veritas to just fire legal letters off to publications every day. | ||
| We have, like, two people doing that every single day now. | ||
| For people that want to start an organization like very hard. | ||
| Well, how would they do it? | ||
| So walk me through How did you start the organization and how did you build it out? | ||
| I mean the bit as they say in in economics the barriers to entry or to The only other person that I know of that has tried to do this and was very effective as David Daleiden Center for medical progress. | ||
| He did the Planned Parenthood baby harvesting videos and And he was instantly sued by everyone. | ||
| Kamala Harris. | ||
| Is it Kamala or Kamala? | ||
| Kamala. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Kamala. | ||
| Kamala. | ||
| I don't want to get that wrong. | ||
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| Kamala Harris, then Attorney General of California, raided his home, you know, took his drives and they charged him with umpteen felonies. | ||
| I gotta jump in on this. | ||
| You've got a successful organization. | ||
| You're bringing in money from donors, you're getting millions and millions of views, you know, you're breaking these huge stories that I think, what, you got like 8 million views or what was it the last? | ||
| Yeah, the Minnesota thing was like... | ||
| 20 million, on Twitter, one video is 20 million. | ||
| Well, so what's a regular person going to do? | ||
| I mean, look, when I got defamed by the Today, you know, the Today show put a picture of my face up on TV and claimed I was a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| And it was totally, what they accused me of was made up entirely. | ||
| And I couldn't do anything about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just, they just, they can lie and they can get away with it. | ||
| I don't have the ability to go up against NBC universal, which was like Comcast, like multi-billion dollar international corporation. | ||
| Well, Dan Boorstin, this is the quote we use at Project Veritas to answer your question, what can I do? | ||
| You're going back to the what can I do question, which I think is the most important question in the world. | ||
| In this world of illusion and quasi-illusion, our heroes tend to be anonymous. | ||
| So school teachers, janitors, cops, just honest, decent, salt-of-the-earth people. | ||
| And most of them are just drinking their coffee, going to work, don't mess my life. | ||
| But there's like 0.1 or 0.01% of the people that say, you know what? | ||
| Screw it. | ||
| There are some things more important in life than bread. | ||
| There are just things that are more eternal. | ||
| So I don't know if many people can, you can contribute one dollar to Project Veritas, I suppose. | ||
| That could be something you could do. | ||
| But I think there's, Tim, there is a tiny fraction of people that are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for a cause greater than themselves. | ||
| And the greatest sacrifice right now in this world appears to be giving up your reputation And that is a sacrifice that few people are willing to give up and there are people wanting to do that and that's what they can do. | ||
| Well, I guess what I mean is if John Doe, plumber in Minnesota, gets defamed by the New York Times, what's he gonna do about it? | ||
| I mean, granted, public figures have different standards. | ||
| This regular guy can, you know, have an easier go of it for defamation. | ||
| But there are smaller public figures. | ||
| You know, when Nick Sandman was smeared across the board, they actually argued he was an involuntary public figure, meaning they can put a camera in your face and then claim you're a public figure and that's their defense. | ||
| Granted, there needs to be more organizational entrepreneurs like you. | ||
| Like others, like you. | ||
| Someone needs to start an organization raising money, suing the New York Times for defaming ordinary citizens. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I'm only one man. | ||
| I work 110 hours a week. | ||
| If I work any more, I'll get sick and die. | ||
| There needs to be more people with, I'm just going to say it, people with balls. | ||
| And there just has to be more people that do this sort of thing. | ||
| I can't do all of it. | ||
| I encourage other people to start organizations and have balls. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| right. There is a great idea. Start an organization and sue the New York Times for defaming ordinary | ||
| citizens. And by the way, you'll raise $50 million. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| Easy, done. I'd probably do it another life. | ||
| But now they're going to be like, that's trying to destroy real journalism. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. It is, I mean, there are philosophical and constitutional arguments | ||
| against defamation in this country. You can't just maliciously lie about someone. | ||
| They do it every day. | ||
| Well, yeah, but they were a nation of laws. And in the federal court system, you can win. | ||
| In the federal court system in this country, I mean, Trump appointed, like, I don't know how many, 200 federal judges. | ||
| There are Article 3 constitutionally appointed federal judges who believe in the rule of law. | ||
| I took it all the way to a jury verdict in this case in North Carolina with this Democracy Partners individual who sued me for quoting her. | ||
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| I quoted a guy talking about this woman. | ||
| The woman sues me. | ||
| I'm like, why the hell are you suing me? | ||
| He's the one who said it. | ||
| And I quoted him. | ||
| And it got all the way to a jury verdict. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| A jury verdict. | ||
| There's an incredible documentary on YouTube about this. | ||
| We produced it. | ||
| And it gets all the way. | ||
| The jury is coming out of the box. | ||
| They sit down. | ||
| I'm like, I can't believe them. | ||
| There's a jury about to issue a verdict. | ||
| Multi-million dollar defamation case. | ||
| And the federal judge, a guy named, what was his name? | ||
| Last name, federal judge. | ||
| In North Carolina. | ||
| He says, stop, stop it. | ||
| And he pulls out a rare Rule 50 in federal court directed verdict. | ||
| Case dismissed. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And he says, this is outrageous. | ||
| If Mike Wallace were being sued, people would laugh. | ||
| Those are his words. | ||
| And he said, O'Keefe was just quoting, they're just quoting the guy. | ||
| Why did it get that far? | ||
| It got that far because of my brand. | ||
| I edit videos. | ||
| When you actually deconstruct all the BS, And you actually take it all the way to a jury and to an appeals court. | ||
| There's still some semblance of the rule of law in this country, and people need to sue media corporations, and they have to go all the way. | ||
| It's expensive, though, man. | ||
| Well, like I said, have some guy like you start a company with the sole, our mission statement. | ||
| Don't make me do it. | ||
| Not you, but someone, if it were a different life. | ||
| Maybe I can clone myself, and it's Project Sue the New York Times. | ||
| You will raise $50 million, and you'll have so much business. | ||
| project to sue the New York Times. | ||
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I love it. | |
| It's very on-the-nose. | ||
| So like a non-profit that raises money to help clients sue? | ||
| Has to be. | ||
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5-1-C-3. | |
| 5-1-C. | ||
| Tax-deductible donations with a stated mission to expose fraud and hypocrisy. | ||
| How about the Citizens Defamation Defense Fund? | ||
| That's very clever. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| CDDF? | ||
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| You know what? | ||
| That sounds too much Washington, D.C., you know? | ||
| Get them. | ||
| It sounds like an organization that doesn't do anything. | ||
| How about the Citizens Retribution Center? | ||
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| I like it. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| Defamatory Retribution Legion. | ||
| You could raise millions. | ||
| CRC. | ||
| I mean, if the Southern Poverty Law Center can raise 500 mil. | ||
| And store it all, what, in the Bahamas or something? | ||
| But you've got to have balls. | ||
| You've got to stand up. | ||
| There were many times, I'll give you one quick story, anecdote. | ||
| from that North Carolina case, where they put me in a room with these plaintiffs, the people sue me, and they have an arbitration hearing. | ||
| They try to negotiate, and the judge comes in there and he goes, now O'Keefe, you could lose, you could lose your company, you could risk it all. | ||
| Why don't you just give this person $25,000 and call it? | ||
| You're going to spend a million dollars, O'Keefe. | ||
| Just give her $25,000. | ||
| And I said something to the effect of, so help me God, I will not settle this lawsuit. | ||
| So what they try to do is threaten you and scare you and all this crap. | ||
| And I just say, you know what? | ||
| If I have to go bankrupt, if I have to give it all away, if I have to liquidate the clothes and my watch and go bankrupt, I have to be willing to risk everything in order to stand on principle. | ||
| You have to be willing to do that if you want to play in this game. | ||
| If you are going to give them an inch or sacrifice your principles or sell out or fear anyone, don't even start it. | ||
| I don't think people realize when I say, you know, I've had people message me saying, Tim, Tim, you know, you've talked about you get banned and you get in your van and just go off, live down by the river. | ||
| No, you gotta tell people to be strong, you're gonna keep fighting. | ||
| And I'm like, well, listen, you know what I'm saying when I say I'm absolutely happy living out down by the river with nothing? | ||
| There's nothing you can take from me. | ||
| I will throw everything and the kitchen sink at you if you try and screw with me or what I believe in. | ||
| I will sacrifice literally everything to win. | ||
| I completely agree with you, and I applaud you for it. | ||
| Don't settle. | ||
| Other people shouldn't. | ||
| This is something that's always bothered me my entire life, is people saying things like, why won't someone else do it for me? | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| No, if you want it, you stand up for it, and if they don't give it to you, you walk away. | ||
| But when you just cave and give in, then what do you actually have? | ||
| A lot of the people that are doing the change the world thing, | ||
| they get co-opted or they get distracted. Their mission is not to do it, it's to raise money. | ||
| So I want a 501c3 corporation under the IRS. We're a tax-deductible, charitable organization. | ||
| So if you're in the business of running a... you end up... | ||
| your business model, I need to raise money. | ||
| So your focus becomes my deal every day is to make more money. | ||
| That is not my objective. | ||
| My stated objective is to do journalism and win every lawsuit that I file and is filed against me. | ||
| So in order to accomplish that objective, money is a means to an end. | ||
| It's not my end. | ||
| I'm not a for-profit organization. | ||
| And I hate to put it in that way, it makes me sound like I'm not a capitalist. | ||
| But I do believe, Tim, that the economic imperative, just like that ABC News guy said, Eric Spracklin, in February. | ||
| Remember the ABC News guy? | ||
| He said the economic imperative is corrupting, Disney Corporation is corrupting ABC News. | ||
| And they sell Marvel comic books instead of telling the news. | ||
| It's just investigative reporting. | ||
| There's no business model for it. | ||
| And anyone who comes up with some ingenious paradoxical way to make a profit doing real investigative reporting, it costs us a million dollars sometimes to do a story. | ||
| A million dollars. | ||
| You want to know what I was? | ||
| I was at a big investors meeting for a major, there's a major, major company that invests in all these different media companies, and I'm not going to say these names or anything, but you know what they told me? | ||
| I said, if you are an investigative journalist, and you come to me, an investor, and make me a proposition, you give me $300,000, and I'm gonna investigate this story for the next year. | ||
| My first question is, what do you project to accomplish by the end of that year? | ||
| And you know what every investigative journalist says? | ||
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| I have no idea. | ||
| We're gonna investigate, we'll see what we find. | ||
| So you mean to tell me I'm gonna give you 300 grand to investigate something, and I have no idea what I'm getting back in return? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not interested. | ||
| I tell you what, though. | ||
| You come to me and say, we're going to write rage-bait articles about Donald Trump. | ||
| How much is that going to cost? | ||
| Eh, five grand. | ||
| How much do I get back? | ||
| Oh, we're going to make half a million by the end of the year. | ||
| Done! | ||
| Here's a check right now, on the spot. | ||
| That is corrupting media. | ||
| That is corrupting journalism. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, the rage, the clickbait, the woke clickbait stuff is, you know, what's the guy who, the girl who resigned from the New York Times and said, I'm just sick and tired of seeing a thousand anti-Trump, what was her name? | ||
| Barry Weiss. | ||
| Barry Weiss said that quote, it was very eloquently stated, I don't remember, it was something to the effect of, I'm just tired of seeing all the anti-Trump stuff. | ||
| How many more articles on the op-ed page do you need to see? | ||
| So there's a hunger for information, but I think the real meat and potatoes of what fundamentally the issues are is people need to have more courage, and there needs to be more people like you, and people who are organizational entrepreneurs, so you're a creative person who also runs your own company. | ||
| And you have to, and Tom Fitton and I were talking about this, | ||
| the Judicial Watch guy, and he said, James, you're an entrepreneur journalist. | ||
| And I realized in my life that, okay, so I can't settle the lawsuit, | ||
| but in order not to settle the lawsuit, I have to raise millions of dollars. | ||
| How am I going to raise, I had to figure this stuff out. | ||
| And I never thought, in my craziest imagination, that I'd have 50 plus employees, | ||
| and traveling around the United States, jettisoning around, getting checks from foundations. | ||
| But it wasn't my stated goal to do that. | ||
| I wanted to do whatever was right, and I had to learn how to do all this other stuff | ||
| to do the thing that was my passion. | ||
| Why don't you guys start a straightforward news website, actually writing articles, fact-checking? | ||
| Because the reason why I don't do that is because there's only so much time and I have to be very specific. | ||
| I have to focus on the critical thing that we do. | ||
| I believe that video is, you know, this should be self-evident, but the medium is the message to quote Marshall McLuhan. | ||
| It has to be hot. | ||
| It has to be Smoking gun, videotaped evidence. | ||
| It has to be incontrovertible. | ||
| Even when it is incontrovertible, they say it isn't evidence. | ||
| So I just have to focus, Tim. | ||
| I can't do mission creep on these other things. | ||
| I have to focus on the task at hand. | ||
| I think, you know, you have a 501c3 and a 501c4, correct? | ||
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| So what's the difference between the two? | ||
| So the IRS, I think this is absurd, but the IRS says if I investigate a politician within 90 days of an election, I am doing, you know, Political action. | ||
| Political advocacy. | ||
| I've never advocated for anything in my life. | ||
| I expose, but I've never advocated for anybody. | ||
| So one of our attorneys said, just to be careful, you should start a 5-1-C-4. | ||
| The money's not tax deductible, but it is a donation to the C-4. | ||
| And that's this Project Veritas, just with the word action. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| If we're investigating Hillary Clinton or a senator from Arizona, a lot of these people in the states, these employees for Senate candidates will privately admit that their bosses are lying about their progressive views. | ||
| They're minimizing them in order to get elected. | ||
| And once they get elected, they'll do all the things that they told you they couldn't do. | ||
| I'm going to ask you this question, I'm pretty sure everyone can guess what your answer is going to be. | ||
| Have you ever deceptively edited a video for any reason? | ||
| No. | ||
| We've done hundreds of investigations, and I will list right here, right now, the specific things that they talk about, like mistakes I've made, if you want to call them that. | ||
| In the Acorn investigation, which is the one most of my critics will bring up, they'll say, he didn't wear the pimp costume! | ||
| In the video! | ||
| Well, in some of the offices, in fact, Hannah was dressed like a prostitute in every office. | ||
| In one of the offices we had the pimp fur. | ||
| But no, I wasn't dressed like that flamboyant pimp in the video. | ||
| But pimp protocol doesn't require the wearing of a coat to be a pimp. | ||
| I said I wanted to whore out girls, classify them as dependents on the tax form. | ||
| So that's kind of a ridiculous criticism. | ||
| The second example they used, we were talking about this last night, was in the NPR video in 2011. | ||
| That was nine years ago. | ||
| There was one scene where Ron Schiller, the vice president of National Public Radio, tells someone he thinks is a Muslim fundamentalist. | ||
| He's kind of quoting somebody else, but mid-sentence it becomes his own thought. | ||
| So an editorial decision was made in the timeline to create an in, to cut, when he went mid-sentence. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| The video was 12 minutes long. | ||
| It was one part. | ||
| And the way the media works is they yammer about this one specific editorial decision. | ||
| I don't think it was a material edit, Tim. | ||
| That is the only two examples in hundreds of investigations. | ||
| And look at my Wikipedia page. | ||
| All it talks about are those two examples. | ||
| And this is an outrage, this is a God standard they're trying to hold you to. | ||
| No journalist is God. | ||
| Everyone makes mistakes. | ||
| So I bring this up because I remember when, I can't remember exactly what expose you did, but they said you deceptively edit videos and you secretly record people so, you know, it's unethical. | ||
| And at the same time, Channel 4 in the UK did this big undercover expose on like Brexit supporters or something. | ||
| I don't know if you remember this. | ||
| And I'm sitting on Twitter and I'm like, wait a minute, they're praising this and condemning this at the exact same time, it's the exact same thing. | ||
| No, it's the deceptive editing is just, I mean, all journalism is edited in a selective fashion. | ||
| Words are arranged onto newsprint. | ||
| Bob Woodward, in his book Fear, and the new book, which I don't even know the name of the new book he wrote, but Bob Woodward uses deep background sourcing. | ||
| And something that Tom Wolfe invented, like this new journalism, this thing where, Tim, he meets with a source, and the source tells him a story on hearsay, and then he puts the quotes from the one source in other quotes, and he tells it like it's a direct quote. | ||
| What is that if not selective editing? | ||
| Our stuff, every word you can see the person's lips moving, and it's just almost It's asinine if you actually think it's pathological if you think about it that journalists like Bob Woodward who quote people who quote other people and then he puts that stuff in quotes is saying that I selectively edit when you can see the person's lips moving. | ||
| So what you begin to realize when you open your eyes is It's worse than 1984. | ||
| As Gavin McGinnis says, it's become almost a Kafkaesque nightmare. | ||
| It's no longer Orwellian. | ||
| It's just this pathologically insane double standard. | ||
| And the only solution is to just keep moving forward. | ||
| You just have to keep putting out the work. | ||
| You gotta keep moving. | ||
| There's a metaphor I was thinking about that is if you're in the military and you're under fire in the military, if you hunker down and sit there, they're gonna kill you. | ||
| They're gonna zero in on you and surround you and kill you. | ||
| Same in journalism. | ||
| If you stop to defend yourself, they're gonna circle you. | ||
| Well, you have to do both. | ||
| You just keep pushing even though it doesn't make sense. | ||
| No, you have to do both. | ||
| So we'll put the Google video out today, put another one out tomorrow, put another one out tomorrow. | ||
| But you simultaneously have to have a division within Project Veritas with lawyers that just files defamation lawsuits. | ||
| You have to actually do both things concurrently, which is to answer your question, who can do this? | ||
| You'd have to be a masochist to do this. | ||
| You have to love and inflicting self-pain. | ||
| I'm sure there are humans who can do it, but I was put in federal prison. | ||
| I was charged with a crime I didn't commit. | ||
| I thought my life was over in Louisiana ten years ago. | ||
| And I was on federal pretrial release living with my parents. | ||
| It was all nonsense. | ||
| I didn't do it. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| You have to keep moving forward. | ||
| You can't stop. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| Unless they are, as Elon Musk says, you're dead or incapacitated. | ||
| You just have to keep putting out product. | ||
| More stories. | ||
| And I don't think they would stop. | ||
| People say you're going to go to jail once Biden gets elected. | ||
| Truth and Reconciliation. | ||
| Truth and Reconciliation. | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| Robert Reich. | ||
| Truth and Reconciliation Commission to name the politicians, the moguls, the collaborators of Donald Trump. | ||
| Truth and Reconciliation Committee. | ||
| That's right out of Emanuel Goldstein manual, 1984. | ||
| Truth and Reconciliation. | ||
| So will we go? | ||
| What does that look like when we go to jail? | ||
| And, you know, I think it will be the removal from society. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| So if you look at Laura Loomer. | ||
| Purged from every platform. | ||
| She's been banned from some banks, I think. | ||
| Has she? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| So they start removing your ability to function in society. | ||
| They start stripping your access to financial institutions, communications, etc. | ||
| I think that's what it means. | ||
| And so it reminds me of... I can't remember which dystopian novel this is, where they excise you from society. | ||
| You're free to move around, but everyone just ignores you, and they won't talk to you, and you're like an other, and you can't shop or anything. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That SWIFT global payment system. | ||
| If anyone out there has info about the SWIFT global payment system and wants to contact Project Veritas to uncover that corrupt, centralized thing. | ||
| Because if they ban you off the SWIFT payment system, you can't use Visa, you can't use MasterCard. | ||
| I mean, think about this. | ||
| If you're banned from Visa, MasterCard, pick one. | ||
| If one of those companies bans you, you got no credit card. | ||
| The way I look at it, I hear what you're saying. | ||
| I understand the argument, you know, everyone gets banned and information gets censored. | ||
| But I also think that, like, let's take a very clear example, like a videotape. | ||
| Let's think of a nonpartisan example, like a federal judge on tape accepting a briefcase full of cash. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And let's say that I'm banned, or you're banned, or anyone's banned. | ||
| But let's just say we have this clear, incontrovertible videotape of a federal judge taking a bribe. | ||
| It just seems to me that the people who are not banned, you can use them as proxies and text them the video and they can send it out. | ||
| I just think that content is king. | ||
| I hear you, but what happens when you can't pay your rent anymore? | ||
| Well? | ||
| Because you have no bank. | ||
| Crypto. | ||
| And your money is in a shoebox under your mattress or whatever. | ||
| So that's what I fear. | ||
| I do want to bring something else up though because I want to talk about how the media plays this. | ||
| There's a really funny phenomenon in news about how journalism fact-checks itself. | ||
| There's an inherent bias that the New York Times is credible. | ||
| The Washington Post is credible. | ||
| So from that standpoint, they'll start using the New York Times and the Washington Post as a gauge of whether or not another organization is credible, creating this bias feedback loop. | ||
| Yes, feedback loop is right. | ||
| So the example I use is NewsGuard. | ||
| It's the easiest way to explain what's broken in media because they've quantified it. | ||
| Before, you'd be like, why are they saying James O'Keefe and Project Veritas are fake news or deceptive? | ||
| Well, I think they have an agenda. | ||
| They don't like that you're exposing these long-standing institutions and you're hurting them politically. | ||
| So what they'll do is, they'll say that you're deceptive, you're biased, or part of a coordinated smear campaign. | ||
| People then just trust the New York Times. | ||
| But I'll tell you this. | ||
| NewsGuard is an organization that rates the credibility of various news organizations. | ||
| They give you guys a proceed with caution. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| website fails to adhere to several basic journalistic standards. | ||
| But they do say you do not repeatedly publish false content, but for a variety of reasons | ||
| they say you're not credible, of which it's the examples you've actually given. | ||
| Those two things, among some other points about not knowing where your fundraising comes | ||
| from. | ||
| They give Media Matters of America green checks across the board. | ||
| For those that don't know, Media Matters doesn't do journalism at all. | ||
| It is just a group of activists that complain about their opinions on other organizations and make things up, quite literally fabricate things that aren't true. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| Can I just jump in here for a second? | ||
| Like I'm not verified on Twitter and I don't, how many followers do I have? | ||
| I think you got more than I do. | ||
| I think I have like eight, 800,000 or close to that. | ||
| So it's time to verify James. | ||
| Okay, but let me just say something about this because this is pretty, this is 778,000 followers on Twitter and I'm not a verified human being. | ||
| And I think at some point it's like, it's actually a badge of honor to not to be verified. | ||
| Like, so this whole, I think the inverse is true, like we're not verified, we're not credible, but when people like that do that to me, And the powers that be, like USA Today has to do that thing and Facebook has to send that ridiculous notification. | ||
| It actually has an inverse effect. | ||
| People go, wow, it's like the World War II bombers are over the target. | ||
| Like, I've never seen anything like, everyone's, James, I just got a notification on Facebook, they said your video is fake. | ||
| The fact that Facebook did that is almost a verification in and of itself. | ||
| And it draws more attention. | ||
| It's kind of a, you know, I'm pioneering here with my logic, but it seems to me, and I've thought about this not being verified thing. | ||
| I don't know many, there's only a handful of people that are in this league where they've got a million followers and they do all this work that everyone's always talking, and they're not verified. | ||
| In many ways, that is a kind of verification, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, you're kind of like, what's the right word for it? | ||
| A rebel. | ||
| Rebel, rogue, eyepatch. | ||
| If everyone's saying, don't believe this man, he's fake, he's terrible. | ||
| If people are loudly saying that all the time, then you must be doing something right. | ||
| Going back to the cliche from Churchill, if you have haters, good, it means you stand for something. | ||
| So I think they're walking a very slippery slope. | ||
| Constantly saying how fake everything is. | ||
| If anything, they're kind of just quiet. | ||
| Like, unable to engage in defamation, journalists are typically rendered mute. | ||
| They don't say anything at all. | ||
| And this Dave Weigel character is a great example. | ||
| They don't even open their mouths if they can't say anything negative. | ||
| So anyway... What's his story? | ||
| Well, he was the guy who fabricated that thing I mentioned. | ||
| So we have this thing called Retracto the Correction Alpaca. | ||
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| That song's good, by the way. | ||
| Professionally get that recorded. | ||
| We're making plushies, and everyone loves the song. | ||
| It was written 10 years ago. | ||
| It was an Andrew Breitbart creation. | ||
| It was a quick story. | ||
| I was arrested, and everyone said I committed a felony, felony, felony, and we kept getting corrections and retractions. | ||
| And Andrew Breitbart says, at like 11 o'clock one night, he calls me, and he goes, James, what if there was a mascot for the corrections? | ||
| And he's like, let's think of it. | ||
| And we're on the phone, completely exhausted, and Andrew Breitbart says to me, is it retraction alpaca? | ||
| And literally, I shit you not, I laughed until I cried. | ||
| We were just laughing for an hour about this ridiculous creation. | ||
| And then Andrew Breitbart died two years ago and then it went away. | ||
| And then like a year ago I resurrected the retraction alpaca. | ||
| And every time a journalist prints a retraction, an angel gets its wings and retractor the correctional packet. | ||
| So Dave Weigel prints two, we get two retractions on Dave Weigel, the Washington Post. | ||
| Here's a guy, I'm going to say something about Mr. Weigel. | ||
| He was a friend of my comms director, Steve Gordon. | ||
| Steve Gordon passed away. | ||
| Weigel wouldn't even email me. | ||
| just so just these people are so filled with hate and so what we do is we you know you know we do we frame the retractions put them on the wall yep Dave Weigel has two retractions in his honor and And he'll hate me for the rest of his life for it, I'm sure. | ||
| You're gonna run out of space. | ||
| We need a whole new building just to put all the retractions in. | ||
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| Hundreds of retractions. | ||
| A huge wall of all the retractions. | ||
| Well, so here's what I'm thinking, right? | ||
| You keep exposing this stuff and it becomes more and more apparent and evident that there's some kind of... | ||
| I mean, look, you've got corrupted individuals at high-ranking institutions, media companies are lying to us, social media companies. | ||
| We see it in the documentary, The Social Dilemma. | ||
| We've got a bunch of former executives saying straight up, they're manipulating you on purpose, and it's making people go crazy, and it's creating this massive partisan divide. | ||
| Watch The Social Dilemma. | ||
| I don't know, we watch tidbits, but I say, for everybody listening. | ||
| Where do you watch it? | ||
| Netflix, I think. | ||
| Netflix. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| They show, have you seen that Pew Research, where it shows the left and the right moving far apart? | ||
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| But the right barely moves. | ||
| The right barely moves to the right, and the Democrats go very far to the left. | ||
| This is what I see happening. | ||
| Social media companies are banning conservatives and anti-establishment like I don't want I don't it's not necessarily just conservatives I don't necessarily know what that means anymore anyway but it's people who are not associated with the establishment left who challenge the system are more likely to get banned and many of them happen to be conservative. | ||
| By getting rid of fringe elements and bombastic elements of the right, the only thing that's left are regular-looking conservative individuals like, you look like a normal guy, James O'Keefe. | ||
| You've got people like Will Chamberlain, who, just suit-wearing, lawyer, Trump supporter, very calm, rational guy. | ||
| Very, very, you know, easygoing. | ||
| On the left, however, they're pushing things in favor of this more extreme, insane, cultish rhetoric. | ||
| Antifa has given a free pass across the board. | ||
| And so politicians see the insane rhetoric, believe that's where the Democrats and the left are today, and embrace it. | ||
| And it leaves the regular people behind. | ||
| So you've got social media. | ||
| Here's what I'm trying to say. | ||
| When you look at the Pew research showing the Democrats have moved very, very far left in terms of... It's consistently liberal, meaning they don't hold any conservative views or negotiate with conservatives, and conservatives have barely moved at all to the right. | ||
| Conservatives are staying where they are. | ||
| They're regular people. | ||
| The media is manipulating people and driving them into this insane leftward direction, which eventually at some point... Well, we'll see. | ||
| We'll see what happens on November 3rd. | ||
| No, what I'm saying, I'm not saying that every single person is. | ||
| I'm saying they've captured people in a storm that's going crazy. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's leaving the regular people behind. | ||
| So this is what we saw. | ||
| My main segment today, Gallup, shows that today there is a party affiliation poll at the last, the latest update they have from September 14th to 28th shows there is a Republican plus one advantage in party affiliation in this country. | ||
| Four years ago, in the same time duration, it was Democrat plus five. | ||
| Independent voters are also up two. | ||
| So that means what we're seeing now is several percentage points of Democrats no longer identify as Democrat. | ||
| A couple now identify as independent and some identify as Republican. | ||
| So they're being driven away from the Democratic Party. | ||
| What I think is happening is the things you expose, the thing we're seeing, I think, well, I absolutely think you're having an impact. | ||
| And I think that people are starting to see through the facade, realizing these people are going insane, what they're promoting is insane, and now they believe they're Republican or Independent, they're leaving the Democratic Party because of it. | ||
| I think what people need is hope. | ||
| I think the thing I fight in speeches and wherever I go is just the sheer amount of cynicism. | ||
| Nothing, you see this in the comments, nothing matters, nothing will be done, nothing will be done about it. | ||
| Like you see this, I see this top comment every, nothing will happen to Ilhan Omar, no one will get arrested. | ||
| It's just this cynical, nasty, nihilistic sentiment. | ||
| And I say stop whining and complaining about it. | ||
| I say be brave, do something. | ||
| It's so obvious of a motto. | ||
| It's just like a kindergartner can understand it. | ||
| So here's what gets scary to me. | ||
| The average person can't do anything to Ilhan Omar. | ||
| What do regular people do? | ||
| Well, I said it earlier, and it's a very simplistic answer, but I think it's true. | ||
| You can fight. | ||
| In other words, you can jump on a grenade. | ||
| I mean, nothing that I do, or we do, or anybody journals, it is not even close to the comparison of something like a Marcus Luttrell, who saw his combat veterans go overseas and die for their country. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| And I don't know if people ask them do they fear for their lives, but these are people that go overseas and make the ultimate sacrifice for a cause. | ||
| How many people in Washington, D.C. | ||
| do that? | ||
| Can you think of one? | ||
| Can you think of one member of Congress? | ||
| No, no, I'm serious. | ||
| I'm sorry, a member of Congress? | ||
| Can you think of a person who will make a sacrifice In a civic way, in the same vein, you know what I mean? | ||
| You say that there are people in the military who would jump on a grenade to save their platoon. | ||
| There are people who would travel overseas and risk their lives for the good of America. | ||
| In D.C., those are the people that would pick up a child and hold it in front of them to shield themselves from the grenade. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| You have to do that. | ||
| There's no easy answer. | ||
| It's like, what can I do? | ||
| Well, most people aren't going to do it, but you don't need most people. | ||
| You just need .001% of the people to do it. | ||
| You know what you can do is call her office and you can coordinate calling campaigns because if you get another thousand people to call her office at 2 p.m. | ||
| on Thursday and then do it again on Friday and again on Monday, you will change people's minds. | ||
| Let me tell you what someone did do. | ||
| An insider in the Somali community. | ||
| And Somali is a very, you know, it's hard to infiltrate or undercover work because they're very tight-knit. | ||
| There was an insider who was upset by what they saw, and they contacted us. | ||
| That's what they did, and it made an impact. | ||
| That investigation... So, Tim, what can people do? | ||
| It's the Dennis Prager line. | ||
| You can fight, you can donate a dollar or ten dollars or a thousand dollars to those who fight, or you can do nothing. | ||
| Those are your options. | ||
| Very simple. | ||
| Pick one. | ||
| Pick one. | ||
| You can afford to... I'm not gonna raise money on your show, but you can afford to send money, $10 to a cause you care about. | ||
| I think the first and most important thing everyone can do is speak up. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| In fact, share shows like this and share the videos from James. | ||
| The video you just put out. | ||
| Did you know that my... I have four YouTube channels. | ||
| I control three of them because Scanner is editorially independent. | ||
| They do their thing. | ||
| My, of the channels I control, two of them are blacklisted on Google. | ||
| You cannot Google search TimCast or TimCast News. | ||
| If you do, only this show comes up, because this show is new. | ||
| At some point, they removed my main YouTube channels from Google so they cannot be searched for. | ||
| Taking away all of that information, and the only reason any of it works is because people on YouTube might be linked to it, or people are sharing it. | ||
| So I tell you this, man, if you think, if you watching, there's, well, I'll say there's two things you can do. | ||
| If you think what James is doing is important, and the information you're exposing, then share those videos, and then, just to throw back to what you said, what was your email address? | ||
| It's VeritasTips, that's V-E-R-I-T-A-S Tips, at protonmail.com, fully encrypted, Also, projectveritas.com backslash brave if you want to sign up to work for us or do anything else like that. | ||
| Blow the whistle. | ||
| VeritasTipsAtProTimeMail.com. | ||
| There are a lot of people working for tech companies right now watching this, and actually they're emailing me as I speak. | ||
| So I just want to stress this. | ||
| I don't want, I think people need to realize you're much more powerful than you realize, and there are things you can do, literally, by, you go to work and you can be like, hey, did you guys see that thing from Project Veritas? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What Google is doing? | ||
| And then when they're like, what is this? | ||
| You just talk about it, share the ideas. | ||
| That's how you change it. | ||
| Everyone on this podcast right now watching this, go to Twitter and just tweet the video out. | ||
| 50 is, I don't know how many people, 100,000 people watching this right now. | ||
| Just do that. | ||
| 50,000 people tweeting that Google video out will change things. | ||
| You can also start using the Brave browser and DuckDuckGo search engine. | ||
| Google, I love you, but your browser is proprietary and it's biased as all get out from what I can tell. | ||
| No offense, but that's what the algorithm is doing. | ||
| So something like the Brave browser and DuckDuckGo will circumvent that. | ||
| I guess you would call it. | ||
| People are scared to say words. | ||
| They're scared to say who they're going to vote for. | ||
| There was research from a group of PhDs. | ||
| They found 10% of people who are going to vote for Trump are likely to lie about who | ||
| they actually support to polls. | ||
| You just got to say it. | ||
| Be brave is a great, I guess, what is it your motto? | ||
| Slow dinner? | ||
| It's like got milk, you know. | ||
| We were just sitting there reading the Harvard Business Review trying to come up with some motto that came to us. | ||
| Yes, you got it. | ||
| Listen, courage is the virtue that sustains every other virtue. | ||
| So you have to. | ||
| I go back to my analogy about sacrifice. | ||
| You have to make a sacrifice, Tim, if you want to actually truly make a difference. | ||
| You have to sacrifice something. | ||
| And I think the thing that people fear most is not their life. | ||
| Right now in this society, and I'm talking domestically, I think they fear their reputation. | ||
| And I can tell you as someone who's taken a lot of arrows over the years, and it's very personal. | ||
| And I do this, and I'm a sensitive guy. | ||
| I have a heart. | ||
| If I didn't have a heart, I would not be good at my job. | ||
| The hardest thing for me to accept was to be hated. | ||
| I don't want to be hated. | ||
| I don't love to be loved, but I don't want to be despised by everyone that I grew up respecting. | ||
| And I remember right after, this is about my first year, you know, 10, 11 years ago, I remember looking at my Wikipedia page. | ||
| It was just, it was awful. | ||
| And I remember thinking, it's breaking my heart to read this, the first thing you see. | ||
| You all know how Wikipedia works, and how ridiculous it is, and they quote this guy, and that was retracted, but the citation's still up. | ||
| And I can't change it. | ||
| There's nothing I can do. | ||
| And to me, that was the hardest part, was accepting, was literally saying, I'm not going to read the comments, and I'm not going to give a shit about Wikipedia, I'm just going to move forward. | ||
| For me, it was very hard to accept being hated. | ||
| And not, you know what? | ||
| I had a guy, an advisor, who said to me many years ago, I was disgusted by all the attacks, vicious attacks, people trying to infiltrate me, women, all types of weird situations. | ||
| And he said, James, it's a badge of honor that they do this to you. | ||
| And his name was Steve, and he told me this, and I went, oh my God. | ||
| It's a badge of honor that they attack you in this sick, twisted, underhanded way. | ||
| You're effective. | ||
| This guy was a Vietnam veteran. | ||
| And I said, he's right. | ||
| And I've had to ignore the Wikipedia, and I've had to ignore the haters, and I've had to just press on. | ||
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Right? | |
| The slogan of human history. | ||
| Just press on. | ||
| So is there an example of anybody you looked up to growing up that doesn't like you or has said bad things about you? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I get what you're saying. | ||
| I don't want... No, no, no. | ||
| Specific... Well, the New York Times I didn't respect in high school. | ||
| I'd read it. | ||
| I think the New York Times has gotten a lot worse. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| There are a lot of institutions... | ||
| You know, CNN, I wanted to be liked initially. | ||
| There's a large part of me that wanted to be respected by these establishments because I respect their power. | ||
| And the moment you stop caring about what the executive editor of the New York Times thinks, the moment you don't care is the moment you are truly free. | ||
| This is the moment you are free to do the good things that you need to do. | ||
| But there's always 4% of you, because you're human, there's 4%, maybe for me it's down to almost 1%, where you're like, you know what, part of me still cares. | ||
| I bring this up because I think you will get your due. | ||
| I'll tell you this right now, I'm pretty sure there are young people who look up to you and you're the person they're looking up to as a young person. | ||
| They're going to grow up and you're going to give them that respect that you wanted for from these institutions. | ||
| As long as you don't sell out, back down, compromise, settle a lawsuit. | ||
| The arc of the moral universe, I always quote Martin Luther King, the arc of the moral universe is long and it bends towards justice. | ||
| But I remember reading the New York Times in my dining hall at Rucker's. | ||
| I was a freshman, sophomore, and I just sat there and read the New York Times back to back. | ||
| And I was so disgusted by it, and I decided that someone should do something. | ||
| I started filming my professors and ambushing them. | ||
| This is two years before YouTube. | ||
| This is 2005. | ||
| So it was a Kodak digital camera with QuickTime on a website. | ||
| There was no YouTube. | ||
| Wow. 2005. | ||
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So James, do you think that Andrew Breitbart would be proud of what you've done? | |
| I hope so. | ||
| I mean, he was someone who... Andrew Breitbart was someone who was very much a... Him and I were very different people in many respects. | ||
| Very different. | ||
| But I talked to him every day. | ||
| And what he would do is understand... He would tweet a thousand times a day. | ||
| He was very aggressively in the weeds on everything and fighting every battle. | ||
| Probably why he died so young, 42, 43. | ||
| And we were very much aligned in that way. | ||
| And when he died, you know, nature abhors a vacuum. | ||
| Nobody has quite filled his shoes. | ||
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I think it's you. | |
| Many others have filled it. | ||
| But, you know, I think so. | ||
| I wonder what life would be like and what the world would be like if he never died. | ||
| Well, Jon Stewart gave you praise. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| That was many moons ago. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What's the new guy at Daily Show? | ||
| They're all awful. | ||
| So unfunny. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Jon Stewart, back in the day, he was looking at what you did. | ||
| I think it was the acorn thing, right? | ||
| It was acorn, yeah? | ||
| It was acorn. | ||
| He praised it. | ||
| He was like, journalists, where are you? | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| And that was amazing. | ||
| Two kids from the cast of High School Musical 3? | ||
| Journalist, where the hell were you? | ||
| Meet me at camera three. | ||
| Where were you? | ||
| He was like, what did he say? | ||
| You know who broke these story? | ||
| These two. | ||
| It's like two kids, a 25 year old and a 20 year old with a Sony minicam. | ||
| He was foretelling the future. | ||
| I'll tell you this, Jon Stewart has praised Trump on the 9-11 victims fund. | ||
| Jon Stewart's been a pretty level-headed guy, but he left the space. | ||
| And now we've got a bunch of plastic people in his wake. | ||
| There were people that, you know, gave you respect, although many of the institutions were still against you early on. | ||
| Here's what I'm trying to get to. | ||
| I felt similarly. | ||
| I was like, I'm gonna keep saying my thing. | ||
| I'm gonna say what I believe. | ||
| I don't care if, you know, people get mad at me. | ||
| And there have been instances where I'm like, you know, there are some high-profile people that I've looked up to when I was younger, and I'm like, I wonder what they would think about me and everything I do. | ||
| I'll tell you this, man. | ||
| I get messages from the people I used to look up to when I was 14, these pro skateboarders, who message me saying, I love your show, you're the best. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And so, what I think is, it's, you just gotta stay true to yourself, and if you have principles, if you're honest, if you have integrity, you do good work, you never back down. | ||
| I think then any honest person worth having respect of will give you the respect. | ||
| But you must understand, and we have a curriculum, we have an ethics curriculum at Project Veritas, like we have a whole week seminar where we bring in journalists, and I spend the first day talking about ethics, like I'm obsessed with the history of undercover work, because if you don't have integrity, nothing matters. | ||
| Now what's interesting and ironic about this is that they will, the first thing they will do is say you have no integrity. | ||
| So the more integrity you have, The more you will be attacked for having no integrity. | ||
| And that creates a feedback loop, or that creates a self-fulfilling prophecy, a reverse incentive, a perverse incentive, where you will actually not have integrity so that you are branded as having an integrity. | ||
| And I'm telling you, the hardest part, if you want to do this, anything like this, is to accept being hated by all the people you want to be liked by. | ||
| You have to be hated by... Who's the guy in Tom Ardell in True Lies? | ||
| Here's a guy who... I grew up watching these movies with Tom Ardell, and suddenly he's doing tweet storms about me. | ||
| It's very ironic. | ||
| I mean, Tom Ardell's an affable guy, you know, he's a good actor, I enjoyed his movies, and he's just... | ||
| I don't know what he's on, a drug-induced binge, tweet-storming. | ||
| Seriously? | ||
| I tweeted the song White Lines by Grandmaster Flash at him when he was tweeting at me last time. | ||
| So anyways, it's crazy, huh? | ||
| Hey, regarding the future, I want to ask a question about DeepFix, because your business model is to get video, and in the future there's going to be Deep fakes is when they take video and they change it, a computer modulates it so it looks real, but it's completely, you know, whatever you want to call it, fabricated. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| How are you going to deal with that? | ||
| Well, this goes back to the defamation law. | ||
| You can't just lie about someone. | ||
| Newspaper reporters don't even use video. | ||
| They use words. | ||
| They can make them up. | ||
| They can write any words they want. | ||
| So if you think of it in that prism, there's a new paradigm and the paradigm will be there will be fake things out there. | ||
| But there's always been fake things. | ||
| There's been fake language. | ||
| There's been fake arguments. | ||
| There's been fallacious arguments. | ||
| There's been newspaper articles that have no evidence. | ||
| There's been forgeries. | ||
| There's been anonymously sourced crap in the New York Times with no documentation. | ||
| So this is not a new issue. | ||
| McLuhan would say it's a hot medium, television is a hot medium, so I suppose it's a little more concentrated of a problem, but you still can't intentionally lie about someone in a court of law You would lose that defamation case. | ||
| So I cannot create a fake video about someone. | ||
| They would sue me and win. | ||
| So I think there's going to be litigation around these deep fake videos. | ||
| I think people will bring fake videos to you. | ||
| You have to vet them. | ||
| You have to do the hard shoe leather reporting, the sourcing, the corroboration. | ||
| And by the way, a lot of people give me a lot of stuff. | ||
| I'm sitting on some stuff. | ||
| We should have a dead man switch and release all of it, by the way. | ||
| I'm sitting on some crazy... You mean you don't? | ||
| Don't admit that. | ||
| I'm sitting on some crazy shit right now. | ||
| Like, beyond anything you can imagine. | ||
| I can't publish it. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because I haven't corroborated it. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, how about we take some super chats? | ||
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Let's do it. | |
| Some questions. | ||
| Make sure, before we do, you smash that like button. | ||
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Correct. | |
| We have a lot of people who are hanging out. | ||
| We have some really important points. | ||
| I'm not going to be able to read out, obviously, every single super chat, but I'm going to try and read as many as I can. | ||
| This is a very important one. | ||
| Scott Hale says, Tim, I'm a Trump supporter for very similar reasons you are. | ||
| I appreciate everything you do, but sadly, mainstream media is winning my family. | ||
| Winning my family is majority Democrats and told me to my face. | ||
| Any proof I physically show them is a lie. | ||
| So I guess I would ask you, James, what would you tell someone if no matter what they seem to show their friends and their family don't believe it, even if you have video? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I've been asked this before. | ||
| I'm tired, so I'm trying to remember how I respond. | ||
| You're never going to be able to convince everyone. | ||
| I would probably ask them, what is a lie about it? | ||
| Facts. | ||
| Just say, this guy O'Keefe hasn't lost one lawsuit. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Just ask them questions. | ||
| Just take another look. | ||
| It's kind of like a cross to a vampire. | ||
| Just look at this and tell me what about this is not real. | ||
| Are you saying that that's not the person? | ||
| You know, just sort of have a come-to-Jesus moment with the person. | ||
| Just look at the tape together and re-watch it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some people don't want to believe it. | ||
| People believe what they want to believe, I've found in life. | ||
| And it's a very hard thing to change people's minds. | ||
| But I think you've got to be persistent, you've got to watch the video with them, and you've got to ask questions. | ||
| What's the next one? | ||
| Donut Donut says, I'm working for FB. | ||
| Light it up, James. | ||
| It's about time. | ||
| Tired of internal comms from Zuck about how to listen, soul searching, BLM on every poster, and internal tools for coding. | ||
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Oh, snap. | |
| So what that person needs to do is email VeritasTips. | ||
| VeritasTips at ProtonMail. | ||
| VeritasTips at ProtonMail. | ||
| Email VeritasTips at ProtonMail.com, please. | ||
| And you can use an encrypted deal. | ||
| You can have a secret account, a phone number, burner phone, whatever you need to do. | ||
| I gotta be honest, a lot of these superchats are just, you know, just praising you. | ||
| I'm not gonna read all of them, but Pensive says, James, you are a true American hero. | ||
| And I mean that in every sense of the word. | ||
| Thank you more than words can say. | ||
| Well, that means a lot. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We've got this one from Joseph. | ||
| He says, Every question asked by mainstream news media should be prefaced with, quote, I'd like to preface my answer with Trump denounces white supremacy and racism. | ||
| Pass on to Kayleigh McEnany. | ||
| We got another thank you for for James. | ||
| David Walker says, Not that I think Biden will drop out at this point. | ||
| Would that mean Kamala would be the Democratic candidate, even though she is she is a VP pick and not runner up primary? | ||
| I don't know, but I do think Pelosi is Setting up the 25th Amendment panel to remove Joe Biden, which we've talked about. | ||
| Wouldn't the DNC just get to pick somebody if Biden dropped out? | ||
| It'd probably just be Kamala. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mark G says, does Veritas need any programmers? | ||
| I work for one of the companies involved in the Senate hearing. | ||
| I just got told that I can't use the terms whitelist and blacklist since it's racist. | ||
| This company wasn't political five years ago, but now it's evil. | ||
| Yes, we do need tech people. | ||
| We always need people. | ||
| We're just running a company. | ||
| Email? | ||
| Email. | ||
| You can email jobs at ProjectGarotas.com. | ||
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Excellent. | |
| We're looking for an IT support. | ||
| Yes, I know people, but they're going to infiltrate you. | ||
| We have a very extensive vetting process. | ||
| We have a big filter. | ||
| I know people say that about me. | ||
| And you know, I have to behave in a way that's Fairly ethical, such that not if but when I get infiltrated, there's no big story. | ||
| Because the people that worship you are eventually going to come and try and infiltrate you. | ||
| Oh, they've already tried. | ||
| They've already done it. | ||
| I've been through that hell. | ||
| And, you know, it is what it is. | ||
| You have to run the risk of that people infiltrating me. | ||
| But to what end? | ||
| The only thing I really have to protect are the identity of our sources. | ||
| And those are quarantined. | ||
| So, you know. | ||
| All right, Vsidia says, your Epstein video is the biggest reason I will never trust the mainstream media. | ||
| If they can't be trusted with to report, trusted with to report that, why trust them with anything? | ||
| Thank you for your work. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Daniel Rudwick, Bundwick, Bundrick, sorry. | ||
| And we have a ton of Super Chats, by the way, so I'm just trying to go through them as fast as we can. | ||
| I'm trying to read through them and find good questions, but I can't, you know. | ||
| He says, we think we fight evil people, but we forget the line between good and evil cuts through the heart of everyone. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| So this is Daniel Bundrick, he said. | ||
| Let me read the full thing for you. | ||
| We think we fight evil people, but we forget the line between good and evil cuts through the heart of everyone. | ||
| Blowing the whistle means calling attention to the evil that crawls out of you as well. | ||
| That's a Solzhenitsyn line from Gulag Archipelago. | ||
| The line that separates good and evil runs through every human heart. | ||
| Perhaps the most profound thing said in the 20th century. | ||
| In a YouTube comment? | ||
| And we all have this line. | ||
| Every one of us. | ||
| It's like what Peterson talked about when if you if we were born in Nazi Germany and how many of us would do the right thing and have the balls to take on the regime and most of us don't want to admit that the truth is not what you know people oh I would oh I would be the heroic one that would take on Hitler well you know so the line that separates good and evil runs through every human heart and that's going full circle here with the Google guy today working for Google saying this stuff Um, you know, how, how culpable is he? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So I, I love this one. | ||
| Uh, Curtis McLaughlin Jr. | ||
| says, Tim, you should take the photo of Biden devouring a child out of frame of your guests. | ||
| Is that in the frame? | ||
| Keep up the fantastic work, Tim. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That is brilliant. | ||
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Sorry, Dave. | |
| I gotta see this. | ||
| We, we were, uh, we're actually playing on rotating the photos. | ||
| And that's just the one that we put up. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| So I think it is art. | ||
| I don't think it is meant... It's just meant to be silly and absurd and it's really great art. | ||
| You and I have similar tastes because I saw that on Twitter and I was like, this is genius. | ||
| Isn't it some of the best art ever? | ||
| It's G prime 85. | ||
| Who's the guy in the lower right over there? | ||
| That's Trump. | ||
| That's Trump? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Is that baby Trump? | ||
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Yep, he's making fun of Trump. | |
| He's got tiny hands. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So that's actually satirizing the insults of Trump. | ||
| Like the point he was making was that that's what everyone says. | ||
| He's like his tiny hands or whatever. | ||
| That's genius. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| What do we got here? | ||
| Dave Kruppel says, I'm a tradesman, proud aviation maintainer, blue collar, and I have neither the brains nor the will to own my own business. | ||
| I can't have my name and face out there with a pro-Trump opinion. | ||
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Mm hmm. | |
| Dang. | ||
| That's brutal, huh? | ||
| A lot of people in Hollywood, you know, do this where they're, again, it's like the Samizdat, which was the revolutionary publication in the Soviet Union, and they have to whisper, you know, I agree with you. | ||
| I guess we had secret voting. | ||
| We've had it since the beginning, right? | ||
| Where you don't have to disclose who you're voting for because of that, because you don't want to get harassed by your neighbors or have people come to your house and be like, you voted for this guy, so we're all coming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jennifer Scott says, I love your work, but it seems like nothing ever changes. | ||
| We never see criminal charges like in the case of Omar, or people losing their jobs like in the case of what happened in Denver. | ||
| So I have to ask myself and you, what's the point? | ||
| This is that cynicism, that hopelessness that is so pervasive and is toxic. | ||
| The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step and the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. | ||
| It's like the metaphor I use, like the black goo in Ridley Scott's Prometheus. | ||
| It manifests. | ||
| You have to start somewhere. | ||
| And the vision of this, which people don't sometimes see, is that one video becomes ten videos become a hundred. | ||
| Like one whistleblower becomes a thousand. | ||
| They can stop one man. | ||
| Now, do people get arrested? I don't have the authority of the Attorney General of the United States. | ||
| The DOJ may in fact be prosecuting someone, but they can't talk about that | ||
| because they don't comment on ongoing investigations. | ||
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Nor should they. | |
| Nor should they. It's against the policy. So let's see what happens. | ||
| Apparently in the case of the New York Post story, the FBI does comment that they're investigating. | ||
| This is the one time. | ||
| Then we need to blow the whistle on the FBI. | ||
| Everyone needs to think bigger for a second. | ||
| Stop whining. | ||
| Stop bitching. | ||
| I'm tired. I'm just going to speak to the person right. | ||
| Is that the camera. Yes. | ||
| Stop. Stop. | ||
| Can I say stop whining. | ||
| Stop bitching. | ||
| Yes. Stop complaining. | ||
| You know think big for a second. | ||
| Think big. | ||
| Imagine if someone had the stones at the FBI. | ||
| Now, there are two types of courage to fight a war, to quote von Clausewitz, military philosopher. | ||
| There's the courage to march up a hill with a bayonet and to take the hill. | ||
| Okay, that's physical courage. | ||
| And then there's a more rare or an equally amazing form of courage, which is moral courage. | ||
| And just imagine if someone at that Bureau of Investigation in D.C. | ||
| wore one of those little hidden cameras and recorded Comey and recorded Christopher Wray. | ||
| Can you imagine the difference that would make? | ||
| So stop whining about things and instead think about how you can contribute to that objective in any way, matter, shape or form. | ||
| But the negative energy and the cynicism is starting to piss me off because I happen to represent an organization that has a lot of people right this minute working for tech companies emailing us Asking for hidden cameras. | ||
| So, you can choose to live your life cynical and pissed off and whining, or you can contribute to the vision and the mission of actually trying to do something about it. | ||
| I got a super chat for you. | ||
| I'm sorry, but that one gets me a little bit. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| This one's gonna cheer you up. | ||
| Tempest83 says, I must not fear. | ||
| Fear is the mind killer. | ||
| Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. | ||
| I will face my fear. | ||
| Be brave. | ||
| Very well said. | ||
| I think it's from Dune. | ||
| It's from Dune, yeah. | ||
| Very well said. | ||
| I fear, you know. | ||
| Yo, what about authority? | ||
| This word keeps coming up. | ||
| People just like adhere to authority. | ||
| They kind of believe authority, whether that's whatever the New York Times, kind of derived from the word author. | ||
| But the word authority, to Tim's point earlier, is changing. | ||
| Tim is saying that young people don't... Do young people really look up to these bozos on networks? | ||
| Well, they look up to the author of whoever's speaking to their reality. | ||
| And if you're the author, or if your message is being proliferated, there are many now authors, then maybe that's the new authority. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I think the authority is changing depending upon whose stories are most credible. | ||
| and prevalent and you know if you build it they will come. | ||
| News has a way of attracting an audience. If people can't get actual news from CNN they'll | ||
| go to where they can get news. They'll go to Tim. They'll go to people who have new authority. Yeah. | ||
| What's the next one? Charles Balyozian. Big fan. Want to talk about Armenian war. | ||
| Biden came out siding with Turkey, saying Armenia can't occupy territory. | ||
| There since 500 BC, while Trump says we're working on it, just want to shine light on the issue. | ||
| Artsakh is Armenia. | ||
| Not entirely sure, you know. | ||
| I don't know what that is. | ||
| No, it's Armenia stuff. | ||
| There's just a lot of, so I'm reading through a lot of these, but a lot of them are, James, you're awesome. | ||
| James, you're awesome. | ||
| Yeah, just get some hard questions. | ||
| I know, and it's difficult. | ||
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That's a hard one. | |
| It's too hard. | ||
| James, why? | ||
| James, everybody loves you. | ||
| I can't, you know. | ||
| Just let's find a good question. | ||
| Well, I'll read this one. | ||
| N.A. | ||
| says, if you have haters, that literally means you stand for something. | ||
| Churchill. | ||
| You do. | ||
| You do. | ||
| I'm an independent. | ||
| Time to make a stand for something. | ||
| Another Churchill quote that I love. | ||
| I read a biography of him last year, and it was, it's better to be an actor than a critic. | ||
| It's better to be better to be making the news than taking it. | ||
| It's better to be an actor than a critic. | ||
| So it's another way of saying, I guess, be the man in the arena, you know, to go out there and go there. | ||
| Again, this is the idea of going to the location. | ||
| Go there. | ||
| Don't sit in an air-conditioned booth in Manhattan and, you know, read teleprompters. | ||
| So, better to be an actor than a critic. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| Benjamin the Rogue says, while I was in the Democratic Party, they accidentally gave me access to a secret server. | ||
| What was in it has haunted me ever since, and I did tours in Afghanistan. | ||
| I have lived with the guilt of not being able to get the info out. | ||
| Thank you for your work. | ||
| I think this is a really important super chat. | ||
| I have no idea what this person saw, but imagine you are somebody who is witnessing now something you know is wrong, you know is very wrong. | ||
| Do you just sit there and do nothing or do you be brave? | ||
| That is a very good question, Tim. | ||
| To be or not to be. | ||
| To blow the whistle or not. | ||
| And again, a lot of the whistleblowers that I've read about and spoke about view it as this choiceless choice. | ||
| Eric Cochran said, I had no other option. | ||
| There was no option for me. | ||
| There's no optionality in these people's hearts. | ||
| They must do this. | ||
| It is a necessary consequence of their destiny. | ||
| You just know. | ||
| And if you're sitting there next to your boss, your supervisor, doing some illegal activity, you're like, well, I'm going to lose my My home, my mortgage, my reputation. | ||
| But what if there was an organization that had my back? | ||
| So CNN, Cary Porch, the guy that blew the whistle on Jeff Zucker's phone calls, I think he raised $120,000 on GoFundMe after that. | ||
| Is GoFundMe going to keep allowing that? | ||
| There will be some other platform. | ||
| There's a solution, market solution. | ||
| That was twice his yearly salary. | ||
| And he got hired by someone who was a freedom person. | ||
| Again, I think the 21st century is different than the 20th as it pertains to whistleblowers. | ||
| So if you're sitting there in a work environment and you're thinking, right now someone's thinking, maybe I should report on my colleague racketeering or stealing money from the federal government, all I need to do is take a picture of that deal. | ||
| But if I do that, then I'll lose my job. | ||
| 99.9% of you won't do it, but if 0.1% of you do it, you'll change the world. | ||
| There's a lot of people out there. | ||
| If you have a million people and 1% stand up, that's a lot of people making a difference. | ||
| And there's so much more satisfaction in taking that other road less traveled. | ||
| Uh, and there will be a safety net for you at Project Veritas. | ||
| We will have your back. | ||
| We will tell your story in a way that nobody else will. | ||
| And in some cases, and I'll give you a specific example, ABC News Amy Robach, that was given to me by a current ABC News employee. | ||
| She, he gave me a... | ||
| Tape. | ||
| And that person, identity was protected, and that person does in fact still work for ABC News. | ||
| And they fired the wrong person. | ||
| And they fired Ashley Bianco, who never was my source. | ||
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| And she has a wrongful termination lawsuit in the works. | ||
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| Good! | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| So we've got Stumbling Saint says, James, based on everything you know, is there hope coming? | ||
| I think we went over the hope thing. | ||
| I think yes. | ||
| I think we've answered that. | ||
| I think we are seeing the tide change. | ||
| You know what really bothers me about that whole Gretchen Whitmer thing with these guys, you want to kidnap her or whatever, is that she had already lost. | ||
| The system worked, surprisingly. | ||
| I was thinking in 2016 there's no way Trump would win because the system is under control, it's rigged, right? | ||
| Then Trump won and I was kind of like, wow, if Trump can win, anybody can win. | ||
| It must be real. | ||
| That gave me confidence in the system. | ||
| You look at what happened in Michigan, and the state legislature rules against Whitmer. | ||
| She defies them. | ||
| The Supreme Court rules against her. | ||
| She defies them. | ||
| The AG says, you have no powers anymore. | ||
| She lost. | ||
| The checks and balances worked. | ||
| Her AG has defied her. | ||
| The courts and the legislature ruled against her. | ||
| That, to me, is extremely hopeful. | ||
| And these lunatics who are planning some dumb garbage mission or whatever just risked everything because it worked. | ||
| The stuff you're doing exposing them It's going to work. | ||
| There's people watching right now who are seeing this. | ||
| There's people emailing right now. | ||
| Well, it has to. | ||
| There's no other, other than what you talked about last night, other than physical conflict. | ||
| You know, Abraham Lincoln once said, public opinion is everything. | ||
| You know, going back to Walter Lippmann and a lot of these authors that talk about how important sentiment is. | ||
| Politics is downstream from culture. | ||
| Culture is downstream from data and information. | ||
| And what is a hotter medium of information than people speaking in their own words in the most honest, pure fashion? | ||
| So if that doesn't change things, then nothing will change things. | ||
| Another way of saying this is, a builder can build faster than a destroyer can destroy. | ||
| It's kind of a rule of political movements, or rock beats scissors. | ||
| In other words, a videotape of someone talking defeats propaganda against that thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if that isn't the case, then I guess we're headed towards, um... | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| Civil war. Chaos. Anarchy. | ||
| 7seed says you should set up that dead man switches right away. | ||
| Yeah, if that happens, there are all types of weird stuff that's gonna happen. | ||
| Uncorroborated videos are going to be released into the ether. | ||
| Price Man says, James, Tim, is there a solution to this problem? | ||
| Companies manipulating their algorithms, government regulation, breaking up tech monopolies? | ||
| If there's one thing that communists fear more than anything else, it's being exposed. | ||
| To expose them. | ||
| Whitaker Chambers writes about this in Witness. | ||
| To expose is the power. | ||
| The solution is exposure. | ||
| The solution is to simply do what we've been talking about this entire show. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| Leslie Elizabeth says, Hey guys, my father is the judge that presided over James's criminal case in Louisiana in 2010. | ||
| I'm now a lawyer in New Orleans. | ||
| I'm a fan of your work. | ||
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| What you both do is important. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| David Knowles. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Well, this is the super chat comes from Leslie Elizabeth. | ||
| Leslie Elizabeth. | ||
| So there was a federal judge and a magistrate judge in that case. | ||
| The magistrate judge was the one who... I have a misdemeanor conviction in Louisiana, and it was a magistrate judge, David Noll. | ||
| Anyway, great, Elizabeth. | ||
| Nice to hear from you. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Mr. Boogie says, your views and thoughts on Snowden and Assange. | ||
| Interesting topic. | ||
| My views and thoughts. | ||
| I think that a lot of people view this in a black and white way, you know, like he's good or bad, and I would say that I don't view it in that dichotomy. | ||
| I think it's a false dichotomy. | ||
| I think someone can both be a hero and a traitor, and I don't want to cast moral judgments on what he did. | ||
| I viewed Citizen Four, I viewed the documentary where, you know, he's being interviewed by Loy Poitras, He comes across as very sincere to me, maybe slightly naive in the way that I was when I started this organization, not knowing the shitstorm that would ensue. | ||
| But I think that he could be quite literally, in some literal sense, a traitor, but also a hero, and the greater good is served. | ||
| But that's a very complicated question, and I don't like viewing it in... Because a lot of the people that are betraying these organizations, Tim, that I work with, They are kind of traitors. | ||
| If someone betrayed Project Veritas, you put anyone's life under a magnifying glass. | ||
| You're going to find human foibles. | ||
| You're going to find issues and problems. | ||
| So, to betray one's country for your country, can't both things be true simultaneously? | ||
| I think with Assange, he's not an American citizen, and he's a publisher. | ||
| He receives leaks, he publishes them, so what they've actively been doing to Assange is criminalizing the act of journalism, whatever is political. | ||
| Are we talking about Snowden or Assange? | ||
| Both. | ||
| So, in Assange's case, I view him as a publisher who publishes leaks. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And if you don't like the information, and he's encouraging... Well, that's too bad. | ||
| His organization can do that. | ||
| It depends upon the facts. | ||
| There was a recent criminal complaint against him from Virginia this year or last year. | ||
| I think... Well, it's the ongoing extradition thing? | ||
| Extradition thing, but there was an actual complaint filed... | ||
| criminal thing filed against Assange in the last year, right? It depends upon the facts in that | ||
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| complaint. I'm trying to remember the specifics, but if he coordinated with the leaker, if he | ||
| constructed, he said, curious, I know, curious eyes don't run dry, right? So that statement | ||
| to the source about hacking, if he told him to hack, so it really comes down to discovery in | ||
| the criminal case about what he told the person. | ||
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| Because I'm protected under United States Supreme Court Bernanke, where if someone goes in there and hacks some stuff and then just mails it to me, of course I can publish it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if I coordinated with that hacker, well that's a violation of federal law. | ||
| The thing about Snowden, however, is that I don't view Snowden as a whistleblower. | ||
| What do you view him as? | ||
| He's a leaker. | ||
| Uh, this was evidenced by an interview he did with, I think it was John Oliver, where he wasn't familiar with some of the information he leaked. | ||
| So a whistleblower says, here's the thing that's bad, or here are multiple things that are bad. | ||
| I better let people know about this. | ||
| A leaker just gives you documents. | ||
| I'm not saying that as a, uh, to condone or condemn anything. | ||
| I'm just saying that's the fact. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you don't like that, he did it. | ||
| If you do like that, that's on you. | ||
| I'm just pointing out a lot of people say he's a whistleblower. | ||
| Well, he did blow the whistle on some things, but he released a ton of documents that he didn't know. | ||
| But I think this is more of a philosophical question inherent in the question, which is that, well, what do you think about him? | ||
| Is he good or bad? | ||
| And I think on some level, you know, it's like undercover journalism. | ||
| It's like, can you be an ethical undercover person? | ||
| It's like trying to create dry water or fireproof coal. | ||
| You can't, it's like, is he good or bad? | ||
| Well, he did betray his country. | ||
| He did break the law, many federal laws probably. | ||
| So it's a very strange philosophical dichotomy. | ||
| I think overall exposing people spying and violating our Fourth Amendment rights is the public's right to know is paramount, but you have to break laws that are serious laws. | ||
| And by the way, you know what one of our ethical rules at Project Veritas is? | ||
| Don't break the law. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| But other people can, and give me information. | ||
| So, it's very interesting, and I've read the literature on this. | ||
| It's fascinating, and it's not an easy question to answer, so I would urge your audience not to view it in black and white terms. | ||
| Alright, you ready for the heavy one? | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Ford2016 says, how do you deal with the pressure of knowing that people want you 86'd? | ||
| Powerful people. | ||
| Is there a limitation walled to the depth of your investigations that you will not move past? | ||
| 86th, I should know this, killed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like 187 on the cop. | ||
| What is 86? | ||
| What is the etymology? | ||
| We don't have any more of that. | ||
| I can tell you actually. | ||
| No one really knows. | ||
| It's a bit of folklore. | ||
| Some say it has to do with old pre-World War II electronics about lockout switches. | ||
| Some say it has to do with the prohibition era of a business that was on 86th Street, where the cops would tip off the bar saying, 86, the customers. | ||
| Push them out the door to 86th Street, the cops come in on the other street. | ||
| So others say it means 80 miles out and six feet under. | ||
| UrbanDictionary.com has the answer. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, that's what they say, 80 miles out, six feet under. | ||
| What do I think about getting killed? | ||
| I mean, this is also a very tough question to answer, because there's no... You got to answer it the right way, otherwise you, you know... | ||
| I'm not a fatalist. | ||
| I take precautions that I can't talk about. | ||
| I don't think about it really, Tim. | ||
| I don't worry about that too much, but we do take precautions. | ||
| I think the way that they've tried to hurt us so far is to use the justice system against us, like jail and prosecution and reputational threats. | ||
| But I think we're getting to the point now where you do have to be worried about not someone trying to assassinate you, but a crazy lunatic who's an anomaly. | ||
| And you have to do some smart things. | ||
| People always say to me, be careful. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not going to be careful. | ||
| I'm not going to be careful at all. | ||
| But I try not to think about it too much. | ||
| And there are limits to, I suppose, what I'd be willing to do. | ||
| There are some topics that would scare the crap out of me, like investigating the Mexican drug cartel. | ||
| I don't know if that's my beat, you know? | ||
| They will kill you. | ||
| There are some stories where you just get killed. | ||
| And I haven't... I've yet to find a one... I've yet to find a story, and this is honest to God truth, that I've gotten that I didn't publish because I was afraid. | ||
| So far, so far. | ||
| There are organizations that will kill you. | ||
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| That Voltaire quote that if you tell people the truth, they'll kill you unless you make them laugh. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Had not heard that. | ||
| A lot of our stuff is pretty serious, you know. | ||
| It's very serious. | ||
| We'll do one more that you've already answered, but just to wrap up on. | ||
| Chris Stroud says, James, if someone brought you info on a right-wing organization, Fox News for example, and offered to expose them via hidden camera, would you do that, or do you only focus on exposing left-wing organizations? | ||
| I would do it. | ||
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| Depends upon the information. | ||
| Someone says, if The problem with the question is, if someone brought you information on Fox News, would you publish it? | ||
| The answer is, that depends on what the information is. | ||
| If someone brought me information on CNN, that depends. | ||
| Like if someone brought you a video of, say, Jeffrey Toobin cranking it on a Zoom meeting, would you publish that information? | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's a really interesting philosophical question. | ||
| If someone's jerking off on a camera. | ||
| It depends. | ||
| It depends. | ||
| The whole Kogan thing. | ||
| It depends. | ||
| The whole Kogan thing. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| It depends upon what the Zoom call was. | ||
| I mean, you know, the 9am conference calls at CNN, for example. | ||
| Probably full of it. | ||
| The thing about ethics, the beauty and bane of ethics, is it's completely circumstantial. | ||
| There are no universal rules about journalism ethics. | ||
| I go back to the Hemingway quote, that you're better off, the real ethical issue, this is a little deep, but you're better off for having done it. | ||
| Because it's not necessarily journalism does harm people. | ||
| Journalism harms good people. | ||
| Information harms people. | ||
| Truth harms people. | ||
| If your objective is to reduce harm in the Kantian sense, in the categorical imperative sense, never use someone as a means, you can't actually do journalism. | ||
| So in every case it's a situational test. | ||
| that you evaluate the specific factors. But the answer, the bottom line is, I would publish the | ||
| story about Republicans, conservatives, and I think that we will do more of that, | ||
| and I think the media is going to have a huge problem on their hands because they're not going | ||
| to be able to say, well, he's just an ideologue. Well, what are they going to say when it's | ||
| someone that they don't like, the NRA or... They cheered you for it with the Epstein thing. | ||
| In one story, it was like, suddenly they're like, oh, can we like this guy now? | ||
| And I think that says a lot about them. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Asking their rich overlords. | ||
| You had Seymour Hersh and all these people, go throughout the 20th century. | ||
| Upton Sinclair was an avowed socialist, and I say more power to him. | ||
| He didn't do the jungle to expose rotting meat conditions. | ||
| He did it because he supported unionization of workers. | ||
| If he's an advocate, I don't care as long as the information is real. | ||
| Seymour Hersh, very anti-war guy, anti-Vietnam War. | ||
| More power to him, as long as he's reporting the facts. | ||
| There are plenty of awards. | ||
| History is replete with unbelievable reporters who are 100% focused on a specific ideology and didn't do anything else. | ||
| And they all won Pulitzer Prizes. | ||
| And history views them fondly. | ||
| So if your argument against me is that I only expose big tech and government bureaus, if that's your argument that I'm discredited because my beat, that's not consistent with any historical view of investigative reporting. | ||
| The question is, is what you're posting true? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, we're a little bit over, but this is tremendous, man. | ||
| Seriously, thanks for coming on. | ||
| This has been... VeritasTips at ProtonMail, VeritasTips at... Be brave. | ||
| What are your other social links? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| ProjectVeritas.com, Twitter, it's James O'Keefe III, that's James O-K-E-E-F-E, capital I-I-I, at Twitter. | ||
| You can follow us there. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Well, thanks for hanging out, everybody. | ||
| Make sure you smash that like button on the way out. | ||
| We've got awesome guests throughout the week. | ||
| Of course, Thursday is going to be the debate, so I don't think we'll be live then, but we're going to have a really great show tomorrow talking big tech censorship, kind of following up on some of your reporting and probably bringing up more of your reporting. | ||
| So make sure to smash the like button. | ||
| You can subscribe. | ||
| We'll have clips up from the show all throughout tomorrow. | ||
| You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast. | ||
| Check out my other channels, youtube.com slash TimCastNews and youtube.com slash TimCast. | ||
| And of course, you can follow Mr. Ian Crossland. | ||
| Follow me anywhere and everywhere at Ian Crossland. | ||
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Oh, very nice. | |
| I like that. | ||
| And that's me. | ||
| It's our patch lids. | ||
| O-I-D-S. | ||
| Sour Patch L-Y-D-S. | ||
| She spelled it with a Y. Yes. | ||
| But seriously, again, James, thanks for coming on. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Come back any time. | ||
| Everybody else will be live tomorrow at 8 p.m. | ||
| And again, smash the like button. |
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