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Oct. 6, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - TRUMP LIVES! POTUS Leaves Hospital As Outraged Journalists Shake Fists w/Lauren Chen
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tim pool
Much to the dismay of many resistance members and journalists, the
The president is fine.
He lives.
And he calmly walked out of Walter Reed and waved to his adoring fans as outraged journalists shook their fists.
They were so angry.
I mean, look, I know I'm joking about this, but how ridiculous was it that you simultaneously had resistance activists saying that Trump was faking it.
You had Joy Reid on MSNBC, Trump's faking it.
He's not really sick.
You had Linda Sarsour saying somebody's trying to get out of the debates.
But then you had people saying like, I don't know, man, Trump's on his deathbed.
He's getting dexamethasone.
This is the end.
And then Trump just like walks out like, I'm okay.
It's, you know, it's a mild, mild symptoms.
I'm totally fine.
And that was to be expected. All these conspiracy theories.
Now they're really angry that Trump's leaving because they're like, he's contagious, don't let
him leave. And the doctors are like, but he doesn't need to be in the hospital. Just absolutely
ridiculous. So we're gonna talk a bit about this and welcome to the Timcast IRL podcast.
Hopefully everything's going well. We had some weird smoke alarm thing going off nonstop just before we
started. But we're hanging out with a very special guest.
First, of course, you know Ian Crossland.
Hi, thanks Tim.
You're not the special guest, Ian.
You're just a dude Sour Patch Ladies is, of course, producing.
lauren chen
Yes, I am the corner.
tim pool
And we're here with Lauren Chen.
lauren chen
Thank you so much for having me.
It's awesome to be here.
I watch the show all the time.
tim pool
Oh, you do?
unidentified
Yeah, I do.
tim pool
Well, you have your own show.
lauren chen
Yeah, I do.
But like, I get ready with you guys in the morning.
unidentified
Oh, that's awesome.
lauren chen
Always have something to watch because you produce content like a madman.
tim pool
Yeah, I do like four hours of content per day.
lauren chen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't have that many opinions.
I just can't talk that much.
I admire it.
tim pool
Well, you know, if I'm reading a story, I'll have an opinion, you know, while I'm going through it, you know what I mean?
So I'll be like, oh, look at this, like Trump, you know, and they're saying Trump is dying.
And then I'll read it and I'll be like, wait a minute, they just said Trump was faking it.
So which one is it?
So, you know, yeah.
Anyway, thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Smash the like button.
We're going to talk.
We got this breaking news.
Donald Trump is leaving the hospital, so we're going to get right into it.
But make sure you subscribe, hit the like button, hit the notification bell.
And let's just jump to the first story that will kick off the general conversation.
From the Daily Mail, Donald Trump leaves Walter Reed after three nights battling COVID and takes off his mask as soon as he lands the White House, where he will take more experimental drugs.
I love how they phrase this.
unidentified
Sounds like fun.
tim pool
And promises to be back on the campaign trail soon, so we have some bullet points.
Trump arrived back at the White House Monday night, taking off his face mask to enter the building.
I'm sure the journalists are screaming, oh no, now he's getting people sick.
The president left Walter Reed after spending three nights.
He walked out at 640, which is about what he expected.
At 645, the helicopter took off and it landed at 655.
Marine One crew will have to isolate for 14 days and the helicopter will have to be deep cleaned.
The 74-year-old president tweeted on Monday afternoon that he was feeling better than I did 20 years ago.
His treatment, yeah.
Well, he's hopped up on goofballs.
His treatment will continue at the White House with doctors on Monday saying he was not out of the woods.
Trump told his supporters, don't be afraid of COVID.
Don't let it dominate your life.
The virus has claimed more than 210,000 American lives and more than 1 million worldwide.
On Monday, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany became the 14th person in his circle to test positive.
Anonymous aide said on Monday that Trump had grown tired of watching news coverage of his health.
Yeah, and as it turns out, the unhinged conspiracies across the board were totally wrong.
I don't know if you guys were tracking what these journalists were saying.
You've been seeing it?
lauren chen
I mean, I saw one journalist say that she had some anonymous source report that Trump was, like, on his deathbed.
He might pass away imminently.
And I was also simultaneously seeing that he's actually just faking it to get out of these debates.
It's like, whatever.
Trump is doing the bad thing.
The bad thing could be one of many possibilities.
We're not sure which one, but just know that something's not on the up and up because it's Trump.
tim pool
You know, what's really annoying to me is, like, I don't know how many times I can tell people that everything Trump does is wrong.
So look, I got some messages from friends, and they're like, man, it's a I-hate-the-media-morning, huh?
Like, every segment you've done has been, the media's bad, these people— I'm like, yeah!
Because like, all throughout this news cycle with Trump and COVID, it's been a rollercoaster of emotions.
Is he faking it?
Well, whatever he's doing, it's wrong, okay?
So he's faking it.
What a jerk.
Then they took pictures of him working and they're like, the pictures are fake!
It's like, okay.
Like, even the pictures he took are bad?
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Everything is bad.
lauren chen
I saw Yahoo News speculating that they were trying to make it look like Trump was working over several days because he was wearing different clothes and in different locations.
It's like, the man takes off his suit jacket and then goes to a different room.
And it's this big conspiracy where he's apparently trying to make it look like, what are you talking about?
tim pool
So that was one of my favorite conspiracies because I actually had these resistance people tweet at me and then delete their tweets.
This is funny.
So this one was... There's a photo of Trump.
He's wearing a suit jacket.
No tie though.
And he's like signing a paper.
The first conspiracy theory, the paper was blank.
No, it's just called blown out.
When the light is trying to adjust for a lower light area and you have a white reflection, it blows out the image.
You can't see anything on it.
So they thought it was blank.
They're literally photos of Obama doing the same thing.
So that was the first conspiracy, which they still are pushing.
How insane.
The next was the EXIF data.
That's right.
When you take a picture and then publish it, there's a bunch of information stored on that image, like what kind of camera it was, was there a flash, where and when the photo was taken.
The only issue with this conspiracy, I love it so much, is that there's also a caption that says, Donald Trump as seen at the White House after being diagnosed, or seen at Walter Reed, after being diagnosed with COVID.
And so they're all saying like, these two photos are taken 10 minutes apart.
And I'm like, but there's a caption in it, meaning someone ran it through a rendering program and created a new file.
And so I tried explaining to people, That the reason the date is 10 minutes off is probably because the photographer loaded a bunch of raw files into a program and then added the captions and then compressed them down, creating new files.
And so after saying that, it's a very simple explanation, I actually had someone say, no, you are wrong.
All that would do is change the modification date.
So it would say date modified, not date created.
Or that the EXIF data is not date-created because it's specifically about the camera, and I'm just like, dude, do these people really think that the Associated Press photographer is in on it?
Yeah, like had a meeting with Trump and they were like, so Trump was like, we're going to stage this to make it look like I'm working, and the photographer was like, I'm the journalist who's in on the conspiracy!
So are journalists good guys or enemies of people?
Are they working with Trump, a fascist dictator, to make him look good?
Or did they just render a new file that has improper data?
It's just conspiracy world.
And they're allowed to do it?
lauren chen
Well, what I find so hypocritical about all this is like we remember during the 2016 election, there was all this speculation over Hillary's health.
And we were told that that is just it's because of actually sexism and just conspiracy theories.
And never mind that.
But I mean, Biden, a lot of people do believe he has cognitive decline.
Right.
But like the media never talks about it, doesn't report on it.
But all of a sudden, Trump essentially gets the flu and like Non-stop for the past, like, what, 70-some hours.
I remember I was looking for a story to talk about, and I did not want to talk about Trump having COVID because, I mean, what am I supposed to do with that?
But yeah, there was nothing else because this completely consumed everybody.
tim pool
They're going to get us for this one because COVID is not the flu, but they're going to clip it, they're going to clip it, and they're going to be like, Lauren Chen is pushing—I'm not even—these people are nuts.
So, Trump got COVID.
The survival rate for, I think, people in his bracket is like 70- I'm sorry, he's 74, so it's like 95%.
And it's actually pretty scary, but it's because he's obese.
lauren chen
And he's older.
tim pool
And he's older.
lauren chen
But I don't think his diet is that great.
tim pool
Yeah, he eats at McDonald's all the time.
Wasn't he eating at McDonald's recently?
Or was that a joke?
Someone was joking about McDonald's is gonna make him strong and get him through this.
He loves fast food.
So I know somebody who used to cover his campaigns for a while.
And they would fly on the plane with him and everything.
And they said he's always eating fast food.
They also said he was a really nice guy.
He would offer people if you want anything.
But that he's a germaphobe.
So that, this is the craziest thing.
They used to say, I remember covering Trump's campaign back in 2015 and 2016, they were like, the dude's totally germophobic.
He like, is always wiping his hands off, and he doesn't like touching things.
And the only reason he eats fast food, and he doesn't like going to other places, is because they have uniform standards.
lauren chen
Interesting.
tim pool
So he's like, the food is all made, manufactured in a factory, so he's not worried about tainted meat and stuff like that for the most part.
So it's like, I know I'm getting the same standard at every place, but if you go to a small restaurant, you can get food poisoning or something.
Yeah.
So I know journalists who are like, yeah, Trump is a germaphobe.
And then to hear them complain about him not wearing a mask.
I'm like, that's kind of weird to me.
Cause the dude is like germaphobic, older guy.
He's like always wiping his hands down and stuff.
And I think the issue with the mask is just like, it's to stop other people from getting sick.
So I'm, I wonder if like Trump was just like, I don't care, whatever, you know?
But then, but then Trump gets sick and then all of a sudden the conspiracies erupt.
lauren chen
Yeah, I mean, to the comment about fast food places having standards, I mean, I'm sure a lot of people watching can testify to the fact that, you know, places like Taco Bell being a chain and having supposedly universal standards, not necessarily protection against fast food.
tim pool
Hey, hey, hey, Taco Bell's alright.
lauren chen
Hey, I like it.
I think it's worth it.
You know, you roll the dice, what happens, happens.
It's still good food.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You know, you could get a bowel obstruction or you could clear yourself out, one or the other, depending on what you get.
We never know.
ian crossland
Did anyone ever figure out what Trump's secret cocktail of medicine was?
tim pool
I love how they're like experimental drugs.
ian crossland
Yeah, what is he taking?
Stem cells?
Maybe he really does feel plenty of them.
unidentified
Just inject the baby fetuses right into him.
tim pool
So, you know, look, Trump's fine.
It's ridiculous because even though COVID, it's worse than the flu and it's a serious thing.
The main issue that needs to be clarified with COVID is that, as a novel virus, we didn't know how to treat it.
We're actually at the point now where we do know.
And one of the interesting things about all this is that they were like, why are they giving Trump this medicine or that medicine?
And then there were actual people saying like, it's because we changed how we're treating it.
It's been seven months or whatever.
We've changed our course of treatment.
They're not doing intubation anymore, I guess.
ian crossland
Those were damaging people, right?
tim pool
Those ventilators?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so now they're just like supplemental oxygen, not ventilated, and you give them these medications, and Trump is fine.
It's a couple days.
lauren chen
Are they still doing the plasma treatments for people who have it more serious?
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
I don't know, but that's cool.
unidentified
Yeah, that is plasma.
lauren chen
Yeah, it's really cool.
unidentified
Yeah, I was reading about that.
tim pool
We talked about that with somebody.
I can't remember who it was.
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
Where it's like they take your blood out and then they run it along like this membrane, like put oxygen in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, Weinstein was saying that it might have been damaging the hemoglobin in the cells.
unidentified
The virus itself?
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
And that's why the cells weren't able to transfer oxygen.
It wasn't that you needed more air in your lungs because the cells themselves were having a hard time.
lauren chen
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell is my biology.
tim pool
You nailed it.
That's exactly it.
That explains everything.
No, but I love this.
Uh, I mean, the point I was trying to get to earlier is like, I'm not trying to drag or mock the man cause he's sick.
No, I wish him the best.
But the reason why I think it's totally okay to make jokes about this is because we knew he was going to be fine.
You know, and there was like comments about how like, Oh, you gotta be solemn and don't, don't mock the president.
Well, there's one, it's one thing if you're like, Trump is a moron.
What a dumb- Okay, that's not poking fun.
But like, you know, if I were to, you know, post a meme of Trump- There was a funny meme of Trump with- It was Willy Wonka with Trump's face.
You guys know this?
Where like, Willy Wonka walks out of the cane and then he falls over, but it's Trump.
And then some- There's another meme where it's a whole bunch of conservative faces.
I don't even know what the movie is, but it's like, Trump is Babe Ruth.
And then he like hits a home.
ian crossland
Field of Dreams?
tim pool
No, I don't know what it is.
It's not Babe Ruth, but he's like, he's playing baseball.
And then the ball is the coronavirus and they throw it and then Trump hits it.
And it's like, you know, they do the deepfake thing that's going viral.
Yeah, it was like Trump's face.
And then you had a bunch of conservatives on the fans shooting.
lauren chen
I've also seen the re-dub of the WWE thing with him like beating.
They've done the CNN version, but now there's the coronavirus version where it's just like the guy's head is actually just the coronavirus.
ian crossland
This is so good for him.
tim pool
I think so.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, because it was only three days.
So the worrying thing is that, you know, Kayleigh McEnany today reported that she was asymptomatic, but she tested positive.
And Trump definitely needs her because she is like the fake newsbuster.
lauren chen
I love her.
I'm a huge fan.
tim pool
She's got the binder.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm just imagining her as like, you know, putting on the Ghostbuster jumpsuit and all the journalists.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so she's, you know, going to be somewhat inhibited now because she's got to quarantine.
And then if Trump did have to isolate, or still does, that's bad.
I mean, this is the home stretch, man.
This is where Trump needs to kick it up a notch.
lauren chen
Yeah, they need to be on the campaign trail.
Well, actually, speaking of all these, like, coronavirus testing results, I don't know if you folks have seen from the New York Times.
Oh gosh, was it the New York Times or the New York Post?
But there was this report about how the Like, the sensitivity of a lot of COVID tests are actually too great.
So there might be more confirmed cases than there should be.
Some of the people who are testing positive might have either had it months ago and they're no longer contagious or might have been contaminated in the lab.
And actually, Westphalian Times, they just did a report looking in Canada and it's the same thing there as well.
And I'm sure, you know, probably in most developed countries where they're doing this, we might actually be kind of quarantining people who don't have it and who aren't necessarily susceptible to passing
it on.
tim pool
And destroying the economy and lives in the process.
There were a bunch of stories recently where they reduced the number and they're like,
oops, 200 of those were wrong and then just got rid of them.
There was one, I want to be really careful with numbers because we don't have the sources
pulled up and I definitely got to be careful there.
But there were some stories I saw where a substantive number of the confirmed cases
were just wiped out like that was a mistake.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
And then there was another viral story.
This is crazy.
I think it was in Texas where they said that likely cases are added to the total number of cases.
So in order to be a likely case, you had to be in proximity with someone and then have two symptoms.
So, like, if you visited your mom, and then a week later your mom said she was, like, sneezing and had a cough, they'd be like, that's a COVID case, and they'd add it to the total.
Without testing.
But the crazy thing about that is, like, what if they just have allergies?
What if it's a cold?
lauren chen
I mean, I've had a runny nose for the past four years at this point.
tim pool
So you're patient zero.
lauren chen
Yeah, I pretty much am giving you all coronavirus.
unidentified
Oh, okay, cool.
Thank you.
ian crossland
Gluten intolerance is pretty prevalent in society.
That causes people to sneeze and have runny nose and get a fever.
tim pool
I mean, there's hay fever.
Yeah, there's seasonal allergies.
You hang out with your mom, then you go home and then all of a sudden a flower farts in your face and you're like, it's COVID.
lauren chen
That's how it works, yes.
I don't know about you guys, but anytime now where I'm in public and I have to sneeze or cough, I try to suppress it.
I'm very conscious about it.
tim pool
I'm so ready for this to finish.
I don't know about you guys, but when I see people with masks, I just get angry.
I get frustrated, sad.
ian crossland
I go, I'm so ready for this to finish.
I don't know about you guys, but when I, when I see people with masks, I just get angry.
I'm get frustrated, sad.
I get more sad than anything.
And I'm just like, I want to start.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Because it's just, I don't want to speak about my feelings on it publicly without proof or anything, but I just feel like it's so ridiculous and overblown.
Like we've gone way too far.
We've shut down way too much for something with a 99% recovery rate.
unidentified
Is that what it is?
99.995.
ian crossland
Oh, come on!
No, no, no, wait, wait.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
tim pool
It's like 99.5.
Oh, no, is it?
unidentified
I think it's super.
tim pool
No, I think it is 99.95.
Yeah, it's really, really.
lauren chen
And I mean, the thing is, a lot of people are saying, well, is it better if people just, like, would you rather have people just die?
And I don't think they understand that people are missing things like cancer screenings, right?
There are surgeries that are being delayed.
There are people now who won't be able to Do things like pay for their medical bills.
It's a lot of a bigger deal than just saying, oh, well, wait to get your hair cut and something like that.
ian crossland
And depression, which... Oh, for sure.
I don't know how quantifiable it is, but I lost a friend, an old good friend.
I'm sure it has something to do with COVID quarantine.
You know, whatever it was.
tim pool
People were losing their minds.
lauren chen
I mean, during the last recession, like there were actually marked increases in things like suicides, unfortunately, and, you know, alcoholism and all of that stuff.
So this is actually it's taking a real human toll.
So I agree.
And actually, it's kind of depressing because where I live, you know, in Quebec, Montreal, we're actually entering a new phase of lockdowns.
ian crossland
Oh, what's it like?
lauren chen
Um, well, we, they've just started something like we're in the red zone.
So if you're there, uh, restaurants are now closed.
I think gyms as well.
Schools are staying open, but apparently they're going to be sending cops to schools to keep an eye on the students, make sure that everyone's wearing masks and social distancing.
For a while, we've all had to wear masks.
It's really, um, I don't know.
It's, you know, if I would have seen what was happening now, a year ago, heck even six months ago, I never would have believed it.
tim pool
So you know what happened?
You're only allowed to say the world is ending.
You're not allowed to say, hey, maybe this is overblown.
Because if you do, you run the risk of being banned.
There have been a ton of YouTubers that have been instantly banned.
No strikes, no warning, just gone.
Because they'll put out a video questioning masks or something.
So if you're not allowed to have any conversation at all about maybe we went too far, Then the only thing anyone ever sees is the end is nigh, it's getting worse, it's getting worse.
When if you actually look at the data, you're like, oh man, we flattened the curve a long time ago.
So we saw Rick DeSantis in Florida.
He was like, COVID lockdown, done, gone, in every capacity, over.
We just had, in Michigan, the Supreme Court of Michigan ruled all of the lockdown stuff unconstitutional.
So what did the governor say?
Don't care.
I'm gonna go forward anyway because we have 21 days before this goes into effect.
And apparently that's actually part of... the governor has 21 days to appeal, essentially, or call for a hearing to challenge the Supreme Court's ruling.
If she's straight up saying, well, then technically I can just keep doing whatever I want for 21 days, she's clearly just defying the law.
And that's crazy.
A governor basically going rogue.
But so, the Attorney General said, nah, we're not enforcing any of this anymore.
So it's all breaking apart now.
Cuomo, though, in New York, is gonna be re-upping all this stuff.
And I think 12,000 bars are expected to be completely destroyed.
Right.
And restaurants.
The economy in New York is just destroying it to the best of their abilities, and it's Cuomo's fault.
You know, a good portion of the deaths were nursing home deaths, and Cuomo was putting sick people in nursing homes.
Did you see he tried denying it?
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, that never happened!
And then a bunch of journalists were like, uh.
lauren chen
This was really recently.
We were able to.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
That's what that's what frustrates me about.
There are these like blue Twitter quote journalist checkmarks who love to blame as like 200,000 coronavirus deaths on Trump as if somehow Trump, if you were more competent, would be able to be the only country pretty much with zero coronavirus deaths.
And they'd also they also don't talk about where all these deaths are coming from.
Places like New York.
Right.
I mean, no one forced Cuomo to do that.
tim pool
No, that was like Cuomo with Joker makeup on being like, if I put sick COVID people into nursing homes, come on, man.
I don't think anyone in their right mind could assume that that was innocent.
It was just an honest mistake.
I mean, it's the most vulnerable population when it comes to COVID.
Why wouldn't I put a person who's got COVID into the nursing home?
ian crossland
Why did he do it?
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't think he has a real reason.
lauren chen
Maybe he's trying to rescue, like, their state entitlement program or something?
tim pool
I don't know.
No, he's saying it never happened.
That's the crazy thing.
Now, like, he did an interview and he's like, that never happened.
And they're like, oh, actually, nope, never happened.
You're wrong.
And they're like, actually, nope, wrong.
ian crossland
Wrong.
Hey, but on the upside, the curve is flattened, according to the data.
tim pool
From months ago, yeah, it's been flat for a long time.
ian crossland
So we're suffering economic now, but people actually are not suffering nearly what they were.
tim pool
Yeah, like, so COVID was... So the issue is, I think we've got really short memories in this year, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Before this all kicked off, it was conservatives that were actually the most concerned at first.
And I made several videos.
I made a couple of videos in January that were like approved.
And I was like, whoa, something crazy is happening in, in Wuhan.
And then after COVID got crazy, they actually demonetized it after the fact, because it's like, all of a sudden now you can't talk about COVID.
It was really weird because it was before it made its way here, but it was a global pandemic.
So it was a mass casualty incident.
And then once it became really obvious, it was affecting everybody.
Like, okay, fine.
We're going to monetize this content again.
So early on, conservatives were very concerned.
Tucker Carlson flew to Mar-a-Lago to talk to Trump, and was like, yo, this is serious.
So Trump did all these things, started the task force, banned travel to China, for the most part.
I love how they say, no, he didn't, because this, that, and this.
Okay, dude.
He banned travel, except for people who were returning back, and for, I think, like, official business.
And then he put heavy restrictions on European travel.
Fauci, in March, said, what the administration is doing is wonderful, and I don't think anyone could do better.
And the New York Times had this slider bar where you could be like, if the mortality rate is 3%, here's how many dead and it's like 6 million.
How many people are dead now?
unidentified
200,000.
tim pool
So here's what ends up happening.
You go to these conservatives who read that news and saw what Trump was saying, and then they look at the media, like the New York Times, saying, potential is 2 million deaths.
Trump says, we're at 200,000.
It's horrible, but it's way better than 2 million.
The pollsters then ask the conservative, do you think 200,000 dead is acceptable?
And they say, yes, it is.
unidentified
And then the Democrats go, oh no!
ian crossland
Isn't it true that 94% of those 200,000 had comorbidities?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
On average of two to three more.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what's really interesting about the comorbidities thing is that COVID killed them.
But many of these people, with all due respect, were not long for this world.
ian crossland
Or COVID was in their system when something killed them.
tim pool
No, COVID did kill them.
So the comorbidities means COVID is the factor.
ian crossland
But if it was like, they were, they had like terminal heart disease and then they got COVID.
tim pool
Some people had advanced renal failure.
Like, dude.
So, so for sure.
And there, there were some instances, I think it was in Florida where like a guy got in a motorcycle accident and they were like, Oh, come on.
No joke.
ian crossland
No joke.
tim pool
Yeah.
In Illinois, there's a video on this.
Adam was going nuts on this one, showing the video, being like, look at what she's saying.
It was a press conference where one of the top medical people in the Illinois government was saying, if someone dies, and then we discover they had COVID in the system, it's a COVID death.
And she goes, for instance, if a car accident, there's literally a press conference where she says this.
So, however, however, I think you've got, uh, it's, it's, there's no conspiracy.
It's just people are kind of dumb.
You know, it's, you know, the crazy thing to me about all of this stuff, especially with the conspiracy theories, is this idea that there's always someone who's super powerful.
It's like, haven't, haven't these people realized yet that you're an adult and everyone around you is just like equally dumb?
You know what I mean?
It's like at a certain point, I remember when I was growing up, I always have questions.
I'd be like, how does this work?
How does that work?
And then, you know, my dad always had answers for me when I was, like, a, you know, teenager.
Like, how does this?
He's like, oh, well.
And then it got to a point where I was, like, in my 20s, and I'm like, how does this work?
And I'd ask some, like, advanced government questions.
I have no idea.
And I'd be like, oh, I guess I'm an adult now.
I gotta figure things out for myself.
But that's when I kinda realized, like, The level of my understanding and everyone else, it's like fairly equal now.
You know, in various respects, like I'm not gonna pretend to be a doctor.
You know, doctors know more than I do.
And I think a lot of people aren't journalists and kind of think they know everything, but there's a lot of people think they know everything.
But we're getting to this point now where it's like, dude, if you can't pull off a grand conspiracy to like flub all these numbers nationwide, I don't think they can either.
They could be like wealthy and evil and have a lot of friends and they're still not going to pull off any kind of grand conspiracy.
What I think really happens is that these people are panicky, lazy, and dumb.
I mean, here's the simple solution to all of this.
People in government are ineffective.
That's the way it is.
If you've got a competition in market, you might get talent, but for the most part, you got people who are like, yeah, somebody died.
Oh, it says COVID on the chart.
They put it in.
And then later someone's like, Hey, that guy died in a motorcycle accident.
Ah.
unidentified
Oops.
Happens all the time.
ian crossland
I think, uh, panicky is a great word.
tim pool
Panicky?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
A lot of these people are panicking.
Like, did you see the cops arresting the pregnant woman in Australia on the beach?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, I didn't see that.
ian crossland
She just screamed she's pregnant.
And her sister's like, she's pregnant.
lauren chen
Because she wasn't wearing a mask or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
And there's also been, uh, it was, uh, like, I think a child at, uh, gosh, it was some sort of sporting event.
I think she was on the bleachers.
She wasn't wearing the mask and the security guard got, like, freaked out.
It's like, Okay, say that there is this huge risk of coronavirus contaminating you because she's not wearing a mask.
Is what you want to do really get into like a physical confrontation with them?
tim pool
That's why I really love the old toilet paper videos.
Remember that?
Like earlier in the year when people were running full speed.
So it's like, we have a pandemic coming and it is a very serious illness.
And then a video of like a hundred people shoulder to shoulder, like brawling for toilet paper.
unidentified
And it's like, y'all are going to get sick, you know?
lauren chen
That was a huge wake-up call for me, though, because I realized a lot of people are living toilet paper roll to toilet paper roll.
I don't know, I stock up.
I have just a lot of it, and I'm like, what are you people who always use it?
tim pool
When we drove out to do the Rogan show, on the way back, we were in Arizona, in some little bumpkin town.
We go to the gas station, nobody wearing masks.
Everything was normal and I was wearing a mask and I was like, oh, I walked up and I was like, nobody, I went to the lady, the cleric, and I was like, nobody's wearing masks.
And she's like, ah, we don't care.
I was like, huh?
And I was like, you're not concerned about what's going on?
I mean, people are fighting over toilet paper.
And she laughed.
She's like, oh honey, we're preppers.
It was like a small town and then she told me this funny story.
She was like, I remember when we saw these videos of people fighting over toilet paper.
My husband looks at me and he goes, you think we got enough toilet paper?
And she's like, are you kidding?
We got three months.
We're preppers.
And he went, oh yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
That's what I mean.
Like Liam, my fiance producer, he, he kind of makes fun of me for being a prepper because I mean, I'm not hardcore.
I don't have a bunker.
I would if I could, but I don't right now.
But it's like, yeah, like my family, we have, We have water, we have toilet paper, we have like medications, we have some emergency rations.
I would love for more, but you know, we are prepared a little bit and I did feel this little sense of indication like, haha, who's crazy now?
ian crossland
Some good things to get are salt and honey.
lauren chen
Yeah.
ian crossland
They never go bad.
tim pool
Honey for sure.
ian crossland
Vinegar too.
lauren chen
And actually some companies sell like seed collections.
All things that you can grow really easily.
tim pool
You bought one, didn't you?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
lauren chen
Yeah, that's awesome.
ian crossland
I want ham.
tim pool
Yeah, because we're waiting for... I don't think COVID is going to do anything.
I don't think there's going to be any kind of massive unrest.
I think people are going to will the asteroid into existence to finally come in.
ian crossland
Or solar flare.
Or I mean, there's so many things that could knock out the power grid for like six weeks or two weeks.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
This is what people don't realize.
This is why, like, OK, so I did a promo several times for food buckets, like the emergency food last 25, 25 years or whatever.
Yeah.
Oh yeah!
unidentified
In Iowa.
tim pool
like, ha ha ha. And I'm like, dude, sometimes it rains.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah. It's like you watch you watch these videos and it's like a flood happened and people have
been trapped in their homes for two weeks. I'm like, I hope they have food. Were you
ian crossland
guys aware like the Midwest, how it got just massively flooded earlier in the year? Yeah.
Didn't get a lot of media attention because it's because stunned silence, but because
tim pool
sometimes it rains. So like, even though when we have these disasters, it's not, it's not
news to most of these outlets.
They're like, I don't know, if we told people it was raining really bad and there was a flood, they'd be like, yeah, that happens all the time.
It's like, it doesn't, it doesn't affect me.
It doesn't interest me.
So you actually have a lot of people, this is what I never understood about this stuff is like, aren't you concerned that you might get stuck in a blizzard?
Cause like that happens all the time in the Midwest.
lauren chen
Right, and it happens all the time like in Canada too and where I live.
I used to live like behind a farm and in front of a slightly bigger farm.
We would lose power all the time.
Sometimes for days, you know, very common have backup generators, food that's easy to prepare and things like that because you just you never know.
And I feel like, you know, hearing people in the city, Kind of try to tell people who actually have to deal with these situations.
Oh, you don't need that You're just you're being overly precautious paranoid, whatever It's like you don't know and I think some of them got a huge wake-up call when the whole kovat thing happened because I'm guns Yeah, they bought guns and they bought toilet paper because they're in these little little tiny apartments where you can't really store anything, right?
You can't have food storage.
You can't have a generator.
tim pool
You can't have guns because you're not allowed to and like yeah, they're vulnerable and They're living on top of each other in concrete cubicles where everything smells like sour milk.
lauren chen
Yeah, live in the pod.
tim pool
Yeah, live in the pod.
Bend the knee.
What I really love the most is when it comes to telling people to get a bucket of emergency food, that's the very centrist approach to prepping.
So I have all these conservatives laughing, being like...
a food bucket.
I got a storage facility.
I got 1000 rounds per gun.
I got 20 guns.
And I'm like, okay, okay, I'll do better.
And then the city people, the leftists are like, what a moron buying these buckets.
Oh, you're so dumb.
lauren chen
I have Uber Eats.
unidentified
I don't need that.
Yeah, right.
tim pool
So but here's what I love.
So our friend Luke over at We Are Change has been doing survivalist training, like awesome.
He's got like, he's doing like rifle training.
He's filming all of it.
It's pretty cool.
And then someone commented, Tim Pool's virgin food buckets versus Luke's chad survivalist training.
And I'm like, okay, dude.
Yeah, it was really funny.
ian crossland
He's got an RV.
We found the RV hookups.
So Luke, come on, show me how to shoot.
lauren chen
Yeah.
Actually, my fiancé bought his first gun and like he was, we'd done our like firearm certification course thing because we're in Canada.
They're weird with guns.
We'd done it a while ago, but like everything going on, it kind of spurred him on to, Get his own and we have we have a couple as well.
And yeah, I don't know.
It's just it's good to be prepared.
Personally, I don't know.
You have an Asian background too.
You can weigh in on this.
I think I would do well in an apocalypse because I'd eat anything.
Yeah, I would eat.
tim pool
Except milk and red wine.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
Well, you know, upset the tummy.
But I mean, aside from that, I'm scrappy.
I think I would do well.
tim pool
What does being Asian have to do with that?
lauren chen
You'd eat anything, right?
tim pool
I guess.
Is that an Asian thing?
lauren chen
Well, I don't know.
My fiancé, he'll like freak out about the weirdest things.
tim pool
Maybe that's true.
lauren chen
He doesn't want to eat bugs.
I know that's like a big deal for people.
They're like, how could they're trying to make us eat bugs?
I agree that the paw thing is disappointed.
I would totally eat bugs.
tim pool
I got no problem with bugs.
unidentified
Right?
No problem with bugs.
Yeah, why not?
tim pool
What about you, Ian?
ian crossland
I'd eat bugs.
tim pool
Yeah, see?
unidentified
I want to eat grass.
tim pool
And you're white.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to learn how to eat grass.
I think you eat it and you'll puke, but then you eat it again, and then you'll puke, and then your body slowly, you boil it in some tea with some lemon and some salt, if you have access to it.
unidentified
Adaptive products.
tim pool
You gotta break down the cellulose.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think tea, grass tea, is the way to go.
But people should be able to, if we can learn to subsist off grass, I think human rights is going to be okay.
tim pool
I think we subsist off grass by having cows eat it, and then we eat the cow.
lauren chen
I agree.
I like your philosophy.
I did the carnivore diet for several months, and that was an experience.
ian crossland
Then what was that like?
lauren chen
I have never felt so good in my entire life.
tim pool
Really?
lauren chen
Yeah.
Like I was telling you, I've had the sniffles for pretty much forever, and I have the immune system of a bubble boy.
I get sick all the time.
I have trouble sleeping, anxiety.
I mean, not serious stuff, but stuff over the past couple years where I don't feel my best.
But on Carnivore I had energy, no problem sleeping, waking up early.
I just felt amazing.
But it's sad because I love carbs.
tim pool
So why did you get off the Carnivore diet?
lauren chen
Because I love carbs.
You're an addict.
I know.
I totally am.
I went through sugar withdrawals.
I don't smoke.
I don't drink.
I don't even drink coffee.
I used to think that I was pretty clean living.
I don't have any addictions.
That's not true.
I would have stabbed a homeless person or a pizza crust.
unidentified
No, it was bad.
ian crossland
Gluten, the United States has basically been telling us to eat it on the food pyramid and stuff because that's what is grown in the United States.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So it's like a business, but it's not good for the body.
tim pool
Corn, man.
Corn everything.
We feed fish corn.
lauren chen
Subsidized.
ian crossland
And wheat, like, oh, it's so cloggy and like, ew, mucusy.
tim pool
But I remember, this was a big fad.
Everyone was doing the carnivore diet, but then everyone stopped doing it.
So I'm kind of like, yo.
ian crossland
So what is it?
Is it just pure meat?
lauren chen
Yeah, it's just pure meat.
And also, I'm hoping that next year is the year I get pregnant.
But also, as good as I felt, I don't feel comfortable.
They say if you have a really restrictive diet when you're pregnant, it can lead to things like allergies and stuff like that.
I don't want my kid to be allergic to anything, so I want to be eating everything while I'm pregnant.
tim pool
Peanut butter.
lauren chen
Yeah, exactly.
A lot of peanut butter.
Shrimp.
Speaking of, what kind of power structure do you have in your house?
I was gonna say Thai food.
tim pool
Yeah, man, I'd be miserable if I was allergic to peanut butter.
Because peanut butter is just, it's the best.
You put it on everything.
Yeah, how did we get into this conversation?
unidentified
Like, what are we?
Survival food.
tim pool
Toilet paper.
unidentified
Toilet paper, yes.
tim pool
The apocalypse, toilet paper.
ian crossland
Speaking of, what kind of power structure do you have in your house?
Do you use solar now?
lauren chen
Oh, right now we just use regular.
But my fiance and I, so he's indigenous.
And they have his tribe, they have essentially a thing where
they'll give you land if you build on it.
Right, just like here's some land, go ahead and it's by this beautiful, beautiful lake.
It's like a lakefront property.
So we've been looking at like prefab houses over there.
You don't pay any taxes.
So we've been looking at prefab houses to put up there and like, you know, I would love to get solar or something up there and kind of be off the grid.
ian crossland
You get like a modular shipping container, super high tech.
lauren chen
Well, actually they have really, really nice prefab houses now.
Like they have ones with like stone detailing.
They have ones that are like two stories.
They have like really, really beautiful ones that you wouldn't even tell were prefab, but they're just cheaper because they, you know, they build them in bulk and stuff like that.
tim pool
Have you guys seen the 3D printed house?
Yeah, it's like a gigantic machine that sprays concrete and then it just like draws the house and then they frame over it.
unidentified
It's crazy.
lauren chen
That's awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
We're on the verge of something big.
tim pool
Yeah, unless, you know, we get wiped out by civil war, the apocalypse, a solar flare.
ian crossland
That would also be something big.
tim pool
So we've been, uh, I know a lot of people, it's a meme, Tim Pool talking about civil war, but with the, uh, the election coming up, I want to, I wanted to ask you specifically about this cause you're Canadian.
What's your perspective on what's happening here?
The escalation of violence, right?
So recently we've had a bunch of Trump rallies, and then the left shows up and starts attacking the Trump supporters.
And now you've got these stories popping up in mainstream news that right-wing militias are coming and they're gonna take over, and it's like they're not even anywhere in sight.
Who are these people?
But I'm curious, based on your perspective as a Canadian, what you think's gonna happen.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, the thing with American politics is that it's kind of like an STD.
It spreads.
What starts in American politics is going to infect the rest of the country.
And I use the word infect very consciously.
Look at things like critical race theory, right?
That's everywhere.
It started off in academia and I think kind of like, well, I mean, there's argument to me to be made like the Frankfurt School of German and stuff.
But I think, you know, a lot of it has come from Americans and now it's all over the Western world.
And I mean, we see the same thing with like, let's take Black Lives Matter.
There are Black Lives Matter protests in Montreal.
In Toronto, we've seen them in Europe.
So it's everywhere.
And you know, with these Antifa groups, they're getting bolder in the US.
Again, we're seeing that in places like Montreal, like Toronto.
So you know, when we see this escalation happening in the United States, it's only a matter of time before it kind of spreads, especially in Canada, we're so close.
And culturally, like very, very similar, especially with social media.
So it's kind of scary to see.
Because even in Canada, our last election cycle, Canadians are pretty apathetic about politics, you know, for better or worse.
You know, because it's nice we don't really riot as much, but it's also concerning because there are a lot of problems that people don't talk about.
But yeah, this past election cycle was the first time it actually kind of felt almost like an American one.
Like, you know, people were there.
Like, well, the Hamilton event, I don't know if you saw with Dave Rubin and Maxime Bernier, there were Antifa people.
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
They attacked that old guy.
unidentified
Yeah, well, that happened in Canada.
lauren chen
So I think, especially with the whole Barrett situation coming up, things are just going to get worse.
There's going to be more and more tension.
Barrett?
unidentified
Tony Barrett.
lauren chen
Yeah, with the Supreme Court pick, right?
Regardless of what happens, if they don't manage to get her through before the election, then the Democrats are going to be galvanized, and if they do manage to get her through, then Democrats are going to think that... Handmaid's Tale.
tim pool
I read once that there was like a ruling from a high court in Canada that saying sorry was not an admission of guilt.
I don't know if that's true or just a meme.
lauren chen
I'm not sure I haven't heard.
I wouldn't be surprised though.
tim pool
Right, because that's like the meme about Canada.
lauren chen
But actually Canada, it's kind of disappointing because I mean on the surface level we're pretty free and don't get me wrong, if you're a Canadian you're still very very lucky.
But the thing you have to understand about Canada is that right to self-defense, not a thing.
Right to bear arms, not a thing.
Even your right to freedom of speech, not really a thing.
We have this thing called the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but every essential right and freedom kind of has a little asterisk next to it saying, subject to the whims of the government.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's part of the British Commonwealth.
lauren chen
Yeah, and a lot of the law is kind of based on like... Is it still though?
I thought they left... Well, no, our head of state is still technically the queen.
She's still on all of our money.
Yeah, that's weird.
ian crossland
And she appoints someone to run.
You guys vote for Trudeau, right?
Yeah, we vote for whoever.
lauren chen
We have the parliamentary system, which I think is inferior because the administrative head is also the legislative head and you don't actually vote for a prime minister, you vote for the party and whoever gets whatever party gets the most
votes the head of that party becomes the prime minister.
So for example if I'm an American I can completely and I'm able to in my own local district vote for let's say a
democrat but then for president I want Trump and I want them to be able to have that check and balance system
between the parties.
You can't do that in Canada.
unidentified
Oh wow.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And now you're stuck with Trudeau.
I feel bad for you guys.
lauren chen
Prime Minister Blackface, but he's dreamy.
unidentified
Yeah, he's dreamy.
lauren chen
And actually, we were talking about all the economic hardships that corona is causing.
He recently pledged to donate 400 million Canadian dollars to fight COVID abroad.
tim pool
Oh, but that's like 10 bucks.
lauren chen
But yeah, this happening as so many Canadians and so many Canadian businesses are facing bankruptcies and we're having a lot of economic problems, but it's okay because he's taking care of the world.
ian crossland
Is his hand held by the Queen?
How does that work?
How much autonomy does he have?
lauren chen
Oh, he has total autonomy.
I mean, it's largely ceremonial.
I mean, don't get me wrong, if I were somehow crowned monarch of England, I would reform the Commonwealth.
I would get things going again.
ian crossland
Does she control the military?
She controls the military of Australia, I'm pretty sure.
lauren chen
I'm not sure about Australia, but I know for Canada, it's, it's largely ceremonial.
I mean, like on the books, she is technically, but it's, it's not something that's... People wouldn't go for it.
tim pool
I was talking to some British people too, and I asked them like, what would happen if the Queen actually intervened in affairs?
And they were like, people would probably snap and flip out.
Like it's, it's, it's, she's, you know, she's the head of state.
She does have the power, but she never uses it.
It's largely viewed as like, never going to happen.
lauren chen
Yeah.
She's essentially like a figurehead and a tourist attraction at this point.
tim pool
You know what the problem is with all of our leaders?
No, not Trump.
Trudeau and the Democrats.
They're not leaders.
They don't want to take responsibility for anything that happens.
So they're playing it perfectly.
If the businesses get wiped out, they can say, Oh, but, but COVID, you know, we had locked down.
If they release the lockdown, someone dies, they'll get blamed.
So that's the best thing they can do is just say, well, we had to lock down as a pandemic.
And then as everyone's lives are destroyed and businesses are wiped out, they can say, Oh, don't look at me.
lauren chen
It was COVID.
tim pool
Yeah.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
But then if people die, they'll say, why didn't you do this?
Why didn't you do that?
So they're basically use the heaviest hand possible to absolve myself of any at all leadership and responsibility.
And then you get someone like Trump, who of course is far from perfect, but he's saying like, we got to keep the economy going.
And you had all of these, these, these stories coming out.
You had the UN, I guess, saying a study, 250 million people could die from starvation because the economy grinding to a halt.
And this is why doctors should not choose how to like doctors don't run countries.
lauren chen
Yes.
tim pool
So like you have Fauci saying all these great things, you know, early on, Donald Trump's doing a great job.
Okay.
That's wonderful.
Then later on, he's like, well, here's what we should have done.
There are reasons why we elect people to represent us to make decisions.
And we don't just have appointed doctors because the doctor doesn't understand how banking works.
Doctor doesn't understand how business in New York works.
The doctor's gonna be like, this virus will kill these people.
We gotta shut down to stop these people from dying.
Then the economists are gonna say, hmm, that's interesting.
We're gonna lose twice as many people if the economy shuts down.
Because starvation, homelessness, sickness, depression, suicide.
Oh yeah, all that stuff.
And it's all just... The only thing we end up hearing is, and I love this part, where they're like, you must listen to the science and listen to the doctors.
It's like, okay.
Alright.
Then Trump's doctors come out and they're like, he's okay to leave, everything's great, and they're like, No!
unidentified
He's sick!
tim pool
He's gonna kill people!
There's actually somebody tweeted, you know, Trump is going to kill people by leaving.
And I'm like, you know what, man, there is a tweet for every circumstance about Trump and whatever.
And it's like, they, they've done everything in their power to make sure he cannot actually do anything, but they're not doing anything.
So, you know, it reminds me of, it reminds me of like a dad, like, you know, walking to the backyard to like, I don't know, fire up the grill and the kids are holding on his legs screaming.
And he's like, trying to walk and the kids won't let go.
And you're really annoying.
That's basically what's going on in my opinion.
ian crossland
Who do you think are some great leaders in the world?
tim pool
Man, I don't know.
That's a tough one.
ian crossland
If you had to pick three.
tim pool
Like define leader, I guess.
ian crossland
You define it.
tim pool
Oh man, good leaders.
unidentified
Not followers.
tim pool
I don't know.
What do you think?
You're the guest.
lauren chen
You take the responsibility.
There are certain politicians that I like, but unfortunately for me, they don't always tend to win, so I don't know if you can call them leaders.
tim pool
Rand Paul.
unidentified
Oh, yes.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely Rand Paul.
lauren chen
Rand Paul I like.
Maxime Bernier, who's Canadian, he tried to start up the only actual libertarian center-right party in Canada, because the Conservatives in Canada are I mean they're essentially Democrats.
It's still Canada.
Him I like.
Let's see a third one.
Let's see.
Anyone in Europe that's cool?
Yeah, Viktor Orban, he's kind of authoritarian though, but I like a lot of what he does.
Like, I don't know enough about him to say I support him because, you know, I'm sure there's probably things that I don't condone.
But I mean, overall, I think, you know, when it comes to things like immigration, they've at least been listening to their people, which is something that a lot of people, I think, in Canada and the U.S.
don't feel like is happening.
tim pool
I guess the question is like what, like a good leader is an opinion, right?
Yeah.
There's reasons to say why the Democrats that are obstructing Trump in a million ways, you could argue is a good thing.
I personally don't think so, but I'm sure they could come up with something like, oh, but you know, putting a check
on executive authority is important no matter what.
And I'm kind of like, yeah, but you know, jamming a wrench in the spokes for the sake of damaging the spokes isn't,
you know, real leadership.
But I'm sure someone could argue something like that.
You could argue that Vladimir Putin is very strong and he makes Russia strong.
lauren chen
Yeah, he's efficient.
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
He's an efficient leader.
tim pool
Xi Jinping.
unidentified
Yeah, also efficient.
tim pool
Hey, look, look.
China is dominating.
And so, sure, they've got concentration camps.
The question is, like, what constitutes a good leader?
From an American perspective, it's very, very different from what other people in the world would say for sure.
I don't think those people are good leaders, by the way.
ian crossland
I think into, like, the private sector.
Like, Elon Musk, strikes me as a leader.
Jeff Bezos is a leader.
People, a lot of them, might get down on me for saying that about Jeff, but I mean, he's got blue, what's that blue, what's his space program called?
tim pool
You know, I've been spending a lot of time on Facebook and I just really like Mark Zuckerberg.
unidentified
Mark Zuckerberg is the greatest leader.
tim pool
Susan Wojcicki is great.
We must all vote Zuckerberg.
ian crossland
Do you find great leaders in the private sector?
Do you think they gravitate towards politics or maybe... because I don't know, sometimes I think leaders can lead from behind, sometimes they lead from the front.
lauren chen
Oh, they can absolutely be in the private sector and I think a lot of them are in the private sector.
tim pool
You know who's a bad leader?
Jay Inslee.
unidentified
Oh gosh, yes.
Is he?
tim pool
Oh yeah, you know who he is?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
He's governor of Washington and Boeing just announced they're leaving.
So there's a lot of reasons.
Yeah.
They're losing a ton of money because no one's flying anymore.
So that means they're in trouble.
They make planes.
I mean, they make other things, too.
Yeah, they do.
So anyway, they're going to consolidate their production, I think, in South Carolina.
And so now they're losing all these jobs in Washington.
But I do think it has a lot to do with COVID restrictions.
Probably has a lot to do with the rioting.
But we also saw the same thing with Elon Musk.
He's moving, I guess he's moving to Texas?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So Man, I'm seeing all this stuff go down.
I remember when Elon was like, I'm leaving because this state is insane.
And they were basically harassing him.
Even though the state said, here's what you got to do to open.
And he was like, we're good.
The local county was like, no, we're not going to let you, Elon.
So he leaves and you just reminds me of Atlas Shrugged.
All the heads of industry are like, we're out.
You can have your regulation.
lauren chen
There's this huge exodus out of California, right?
I mean, Joe Rogan's leaving.
Elon Musk is leaving.
Daily Wire folks.
Blair White.
ian crossland
Blair White, yeah.
lauren chen
I feel like there's so many people who are just like, all right, I'm out.
And I don't blame them.
And it's sad because there are parts of California that are really beautiful.
There are a lot of wonderful people.
There are good things about California.
It's a very successful state in a lot of different metrics.
They attract talent.
But man, do they love killing business there.
They just love it.
ian crossland
I left in 2018 and I went back a few months ago and I have no At all desire to go back there.
It was like so stuffy and I mean, it's this beautiful wide-open Los Angeles particularly wide open space with homeless people everywhere.
It's like it was like you had to wear a mask and everybody was like I don't know.
tim pool
Gross.
ian crossland
Waving in lines to get to the grocery store.
tim pool
The mask is because of the typhoid outbreak.
lauren chen
I did my freshman year at USC.
I grew up in Southeast Asia, but L.A.
was the only time in my life that I remember feeling genuinely unsafe.
My personhood, my property, I had never experienced anything like it.
tim pool
It's a horrible place.
lauren chen
It is.
tim pool
It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
ian crossland
I used to love it.
Love it.
In like 2005 and 2006, you know, weed was legal for the first time in my life.
And it was like, wow, this is like the liberal, this is where we can change the country.
We can start here.
And it felt like that.
And the entertainment industry was killing it.
All these YouTubers were flocking to Los Angeles, the beach, 72 degrees every day.
tim pool
And now they're repealing civil rights law.
lauren chen
Yeah, and feces in the streets.
tim pool
Oh man, yeah, and the funny thing is about the the poop patrol in San Francisco is that it's actually a problem in
other cities Too, but they're just the worst
What I love about San Francisco is that there's someone made a map of all of the instances of human poop in the
streets And when you look at it, there's so many
It's just a giant brown splotch over the map.
You can't even see the city.
Yeah, because there's so many.
They actually had to hire a poop patrol.
Like, it's like, could you imagine?
It's like your town is going over their expenses.
Like, well, the fire department costs us this much per year.
We have EMS and police and, ah, yes, the poop department.
Like, that's crazy.
ian crossland
Is it taxpayer funded?
tim pool
Yeah, it's public.
It's a public program.
It's like they come out and spray the poop down.
That's nuts.
Like, are there other departments we don't know about that just don't register with us?
Like, we all know the fire department.
We all know the police department.
But is there, like, other government programs?
Because the poop department seems like... That's a new one.
Yeah, for sure, you know, and hopefully not the rest of our future.
lauren chen
Yeah, well, actually, we did a video about San Francisco.
We called it San Fran-ches.
But yeah, they have a lot of infrastructure dedicated to the homeless.
I think they spend, like, an actual person's yearly income per year on each homeless person.
But guess what?
They're still homeless.
And it's it's crazy because and it's actually I know a lot of conservatives like like to laugh at San Francisco because they feel like this vindication that all of your far-left policies are bad, but it is sad.
I remember I when I was I think 18 or 19 I visited San Francisco and I thought it was beautiful and it's like if you're from there and you see what your city has become like if you're a business owner out there and now you have like someone shooting up in front of your business every day, feezing on the street.
There's like videos online that have gone viral of like women being attacked by random crazy homeless people.
tim pool
Like that's, man, I don't think there's... And all the while there's a Starbucks literally across the street from the Starbucks.
Like no joke.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's like, I remember I was at a Starbucks and this is like, I forgot what this was, like it's near Market Street or something.
And I'm walking out and as I'm walking out, I'm like, there's a Starbucks across the street.
There's a line.
I was like, but I just walked out of a Starbucks.
No line.
Why would anybody, this is the weirdest, no kidding.
lauren chen
That Starbucks is the good Starbucks.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, right.
ian crossland
In San Francisco in 2014-ish, I lived there for like a year, and it was really cool to get offered like, hey, do you want to buy mushrooms as you're walking down the street?
The first time, but like the 19th time, it's just... And then the guy's like... Trying to step over people and pass people, and you're like, no man.
tim pool
Now you got like whole markets where they're like just holding up in their jacket.
ian crossland
They really will, they'll try and sell you, like right up, they'll just walk up to you and be like, want to buy some mushrooms?
I don't know if they do it to everybody.
unidentified
San Francisco is capital.
tim pool
It's capital city from the Hunger Games, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
San Francisco.
tim pool
Yeah.
So you have these big, wealthy industries.
You have these, these tech companies that are in, not necessarily San Francisco, but the Bay Area.
Super wealthy, powerful, big tech in Silicon Valley.
And then you have like, it's, it's like, it's the scariest thing about it is it reminds me kind of, uh, of Ukraine where you have oligarchs who control everything like, you know, and then you have all extreme poverty.
So think about another city that would be like San Francisco, and it's hard to find, where you have some of the wealthiest people on the planet, billionaires, running their empires.
Mostly San Francisco.
And at the same time, you have poor people taking dumps in the street and doing drugs, and there's rapid homelessness.
ian crossland
I think India has a lot of cities, maybe not a lot, but Delhi I think is like that.
tim pool
No, for sure, for sure.
I mean, in the US, this is like... I can't think of one.
It reminds me of Ukraine, where a small handful of oligarchs control everything, and because they're so wealthy, they basically set the prices, and they'll never lose their power.
And that's kind of what we get with big tech, where they control what we can see, hear, and even say.
Then you have all these really, you know, poor people.
So they're clearly not interested in helping, you know, anybody.
lauren chen
Well, actually, I think they they think they're interested in helping people.
And that's why they push far left policies.
And I really do think that a lot of the people from San Francisco have been somewhere like L.A.
that has a huge, you know, wealth inequality issue.
I think they think the rest of the country is like that.
Like in their cities, you have the millionaires, the billionaires and the homeless people.
And I think they think A, that's common, and B, it's also capitalism's fault.
So that's why in these hubs, these liberal hubs, you have like, I mean, literal socialists who want to tear down the system.
tim pool
So we were talking a little bit about this before the show started, but I wanted to ask you, because I was sort of asking you earlier, but we'll just go back into it.
From a Canadian perspective, what do you think is going to happen in the U.S.
on election night?
lauren chen
I mean, I don't like usually to make predictions because I'm always worried about being put into one of those like reels of people being wrong and then owned.
So I try to avoid making any predictions.
But I do think Trump will win.
I mean, I definitely think he was on course to win in a landslide before the whole COVID thing.
You know, then things kind of became a little bit unclear.
But right now, I think a lot of people are tired of the restrictions and a lot of people are worried about the economy.
And I think Trump has a proven track record on that.
And I know a lot of You know, Democrats are trying to say that this torpedoed
economy is Trump's fault, but people remember, right?
They remember, like, filing their taxes from last year.
They remember how well things were going.
And I think they trust that a lot more than Biden.
tim pool
But the polls have, in some states, Biden's up like nearly double digits.
lauren chen
Yeah. I mean, I remember what the poll said last time as well.
And it's hard because I don't want to be one of those people who just dismisses polls because they don't like what I think and I want to just have confirmation bias.
But I think there is a proven issue with trying to poll Trump supporters and his base.
I think we saw that.
last year and I know the last election cycle two years ago, you know, things didn't go well for the Republicans in
terms of the House, but Trump wasn't on the ticket then.
tim pool
Right. I agree.
lauren chen
He is now and there are a lot of people who probably didn't vote in the primaries because Trump wasn't there.
They're maybe not necessarily Republicans, maybe not necessarily even politically active, but now that Trump is
on the ticket this time, I think it's going to make a difference.
tim pool
So so the polls in 2016 were off by a couple points, maybe like a point or two.
And so what ended up happening is you had all these forecasters like, oh, if Michigan's going Hillary, then Trump's going to win.
Trump ended up winning due to 77,000 votes across several swing states.
Like in some states, it was thin margins where he got win or take all electoral votes.
So he did really well in the Electoral College.
The weird thing now is like, We had Jack Murphy on the podcast recently and he asked me, he's like, do you think the conditions that led to Donald Trump are worse?
Or do you think things have gotten better?
I'm like, oh, it's way worse.
And he's like, so then why would Trump lose?
And I'm like, but the polls, right?
The polls were wrong, but come on, like Biden's up by like 10 points in some of these polls, like 14, 27 among seniors, like some ridiculous numbers.
Unless they're literally lying and the polls are like broken beyond repair.
I mean, is that a strong possibility?
This is what I was thinking, like maybe what happened in 2016 was the polls were slightly
off, not because they couldn't find Trump's base and they went on to fix it.
Maybe their attempts to fix it resulted in them going the other direction.
But I mean, I feel like that's wishful thinking.
ian crossland
Oh, what were you going to say?
lauren chen
Well, I was just going to say that, I mean, polling is a really, really hard thing to do accurately.
I mean, any type of social science quantification is going to be difficult, right?
I mean, because basically what you're doing with these polls is you have small groups and you're hoping that you're going to be as representative as possible.
But there's no way to do that without any type of bias at all.
So I think, you know, when we look at polls, they have a margin of error for a reason.
And I think they're usually pretty, I mean, they're pretty optimistic with the margins of error that they give.
So that's the first thing.
And also the second thing is I see a lot of national polls and people always love to talk about the national polls.
The American president is not chosen by direct democracy, right?
So it's a lot more useful to do what you do and talk about these specific states that might be swing states and how they're performing in those areas.
But when I see stuff about, like, overall, you know, Biden is up nationally, it's like, well, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if everybody in California loves Biden and hates Trump.
Like, he was never going to get those votes anyway.
tim pool
There's a poll from Democracy Institute and I think the Sunday Express in the UK that has Trump actually up nationally.
Has Biden at 45, Trump at 46.
And that's why I asked you, you know, I say like, you're Canadian.
And it's because I wonder if the reason, the difference between these polls in the US versus, you know, the Sunday Express is like, you've got a UK company.
They don't know or care, for the most part, about our biases.
I'm sure they do a little bit.
But they're probably like, from the outside looking in, here's what we see.
And then you have all these companies and universities, whatever, in the US.
And they're in the bubble.
They're in the fray.
They can't see outside of it.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, some insight I do want to give as a Canadian is that you guys are absolutely insane when it comes to election security.
Like, you don't have any.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Do you have voter ID in Canada?
lauren chen
Of course!
unidentified
Why not?
Of course!
lauren chen
I cannot for the life of me think of a country that doesn't, aside from America, and how it's controversial in America, I have no idea.
tim pool
It's racist.
lauren chen
Of course we have voter ID law.
tim pool
Have you ever seen that video with Ami Horowitz where he goes and asks So for those that aren't familiar, this guy, Ami Horowitz, goes to a bunch of Berkeley students and says, is voter ID racist?
They all say yes.
He asks them why, and they're like, oh, because, you know, people in these minority communities can't find the DMV, or they can't afford it, or they don't have a license, or they don't have internet.
So then he literally goes to Harlem and talks to a bunch of black people, and then they're all just basically like, what?
lauren chen
Like, I have ID.
tim pool
Yeah, of course we have the internet.
Of course we have IDs.
But my favorite interaction was where he's talking to this, like, middle-aged black dude, and he goes, do you know where the DMV is at?
And he goes, yeah, it's right over there on 25th Street.
Like, as if he was giving him directions.
Like, of course he knows where the DMV is!
How insanely racist are these people?
lauren chen
No, it's the bigotry of low expectations, for sure.
tim pool
I think they're overt white supremacists.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
With guilty consciences.
lauren chen
I mean, if you listen to the things that they say, they essentially want to treat black people like pets or mentally challenged children who can't take care of themselves and aren't able to self-determine their futures, which is really, really depressing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What if I were to tell you that Prince Harry was a neo-Nazi?
lauren chen
Would you believe me?
I would, actually.
tim pool
Prince Harry!
So this is really funny, because somebody commented on my Facebook.
So Prince Harry made a statement so insane, I can't read it verbatim.
Because this sentence... It's got to be out of context.
Oh, I am not going to say these words.
unidentified
This is so funny!
tim pool
You want me?
Okay.
I want to read the actual... God be with you, sir.
This is the ultra woke Prince Harry.
Prince Harry says he's had an awakening on racism.
And I'm not going to read the next part, but I'm going to read his quote where he said,
OK, here we go.
Prince Harry has described his awakening to the existence of systemic racism, saying,
quote, The world that we know, Prince Harry says, has been created by, according to Prince Harry,
white people, says Prince Harry, for white people.
You see, the reason I put all those name drops in it is so that when they try and pull that out of context, I'm saying Prince Harry, right?
Exactly.
lauren chen
That's not going to help though.
I've had someone quote mine me half a sentence.
tim pool
Yeah, I know, I know.
They'll do it.
There was one where it's like, you can clearly see the edits and it's like me going like, I think that it, and I'm like, why are people believing that's real?
That's so dumb.
This dude actually said this. Now here's the funny thing.
There was a big scandal where he dressed up like a Nazi once and and like it was the front page of I
guess like the Sun or something.
So everyone attacked him and they were like oh he had to apologize for it his Nazi costume with his
armband and all that. What was he thinking saying this?
ian crossland
Okay I know he's thinking he just realized oh there is a power structure and it happens.
Maybe he accidentally said it's a white power story.
It's just the rich people, the rich power structure of the world happens to be primarily white people.
lauren chen
And that's not even necessarily true, right?
There are a growing number of Chinese billionaires and, you know, like Saudi oil princes, you know, attributing richness to whiteness.
That's like, ironically, very Eurocentric of him.
But he didn't say that.
He literally... Yeah, he just said white people.
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy, man.
And then when you take into consideration where that dude, Ibram X. Kendi, attacked Amy Coney Barrett for adopting black children, it's like, I don't care what the race of the children she adopted.
It's good for her for helping out some kids.
That's nuts.
These people are like... This is the weird thing.
Ibram X. Kendi is not a white dude.
But, you know, I tweeted in response to this that the things these people believe, like Prince Harry, is a kind of white supremacy, but they're just guilty about it.
Well, Harry's not- So they want the same outcomes.
ian crossland
Harry's married to a mixed race girl, I would imagine.
I don't know her race, but she doesn't look like Aryan.
tim pool
Don't you know that fetishizing is white supremacy?
lauren chen
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Of course.
unidentified
What's not these days?
tim pool
There's nothing you can say.
There's a game people are playing right now.
It's funny.
Type in, is blank racist, and you will find it.
So I was like, no way.
So I typed in, is toothpaste racist?
Yup.
There was a toothpaste scandal where it was like talking about a campaign that was done by some, you know, company was, was, was her marshmallows racist.
unidentified
I Googled it and Megan Markle.
tim pool
Yup.
unidentified
German firm apologizes for racist chocolate.
lauren chen
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Chocolate covered marshmallows.
Wow.
Wow.
unidentified
I was like, surely marshmallows can't be racist.
And apparently they can.
tim pool
What's racist about this?
Oh, it's cause he's, cause he's black or something.
Cause he's chocolate.
lauren chen
But isn't that saying that chocolate is delicious?
Oh, but that's fetishizing.
ian crossland
And it's actually the sugar that makes that.
When people are like, I love chocolate, they love the sugar.
Chocolate's bitter.
I mean, it's good.
tim pool
I like real chocolate.
ian crossland
Me too.
lauren chen
I don't.
I don't like chocolate.
I don't like the texture.
ian crossland
I put it in my coffee sometimes.
tim pool
No chocolate, no coffee.
I bet you could type, is not liking chocolate racist, and it'll pop up.
Everything.
It's funny because these were memes back in the day where you'd like joke about everything being racist because the woke lunatics were claiming everything was racist.
Now it's mainstream.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Now like you have Prince Harry who made a statement that I'm sure many people would give him the Roman salute for saying.
He said the world.
He didn't say Europe.
He didn't say America.
He said the world.
That's amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
It's pretty much dismissing and discounting all of the contributions that other cultures have made.
Which are not insubstantial, frankly.
tim pool
I'm just imagining him sitting there smoking, wearing his military uniform, and he's like, oi, you know China?
Nah, white people.
You know Saudi Arabia and algebra?
Nah, white people.
Yeah, it's like, Oh, is that is that is that the way it is?
Yeah, all the accomplished.
I was having a conversation with somebody about just this this general idea.
And a progressive friend said, Isn't it true?
And I said, No, it's not true.
And they're like, Yeah, but like, you know, colonization spread all over the world.
And I was like, but you do realize like, agriculture came from like, you know, Middle East and like, we use Arabic numerals.
ian crossland
Dude, Genghis Khan.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
ian crossland
I think it comes down to math, because the reason England conquered the world is because they got physics.
They had Isaac Newton gave physics to the Queen so their cannons could shoot longer, and they were able to dominate the sea.
And Genghis Khan had siege weaponry, so he was able to dominate.
tim pool
It was competition.
ian crossland
It's mathematics.
It's physics.
tim pool
So I was reading something that may or may not be true, so don't take my word for it, but I was just reading this article.
It was an academic article, okay?
So I know I'm gonna get a bunch of lefties being like, oh, it's fake.
But what I was reading was that the European peninsula, you have nowhere to go.
You're surrounded by water on all sides.
So what would happen is if people in France, for instance, needed resources and they started getting into conflict with another country, you can't run because you're, you know.
But then you have, you know, Asia is massive, Africa is massive, and North America is massive.
So people in these areas would just run away from conflict.
In Asia, however, you had the islands, and the peninsula, like the Korean peninsula, and you had Japan, and then you had the islands, so that led to competition.
If you have nowhere to go, you fight.
Pacific Islanders mastered seafaring, so that's why they were able to get to, like, Hawaii and stuff, because that was their way out.
But for people in Europe, it was like, somebody in, you know, like, England would be like, we're going to fight the, you know, the French to steal their stuff, because we want their stuff, or whatever.
I don't know the history.
unidentified
They're women.
tim pool
Yeah, all of a sudden, the Europeans are yelling at me, but you get the point.
lauren chen
Yeah, well there is this, like, huge school of thought in, like, I guess anthropology and history that geography is destiny, right?
Places like, I don't know, the Roman Empire, for example, Greece, Middle East, you know, Fertile Crescent and things like that.
A lot of, I mean, it's been posited the reason why they were such successful civilizations is because they had the optimum climate, right?
They weren't constantly fighting off either extreme cold or extreme heat, essentially A geography that was trying to kill you actively.
So they were able to do things like, you know, cultivate crops, set aside time and advance their societies.
Nowadays, it's just colonialism is destiny.
And it's all imperialism and white people bad.
tim pool
Yep, all of them.
And apparently it's because Prince Harry believes they've created everything, the whole world.
ian crossland
I can't defend him anymore.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, I was trying to see what he was, like, I can imagine he had an awakening of sorts.
I think he grew up very isolated.
I don't think he ever thought any of that growing up.
Like I thought, I think he thought everyone's as good off as I am.
lauren chen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think it's the Megan, you know, it's the Megan Marble influence.
And I know she's been really targeted.
I don't want to like feed into that.
Cause a lot of people really do just hate her, hate her.
But she is I mean she's a an avowed feminist who is you know all these talking presidents of course. Oh, man
tim pool
What do you do when you have like a bunch of dumb people in politics, you know?
lauren chen
well, that's why I mean i'm Well, the the left is always talking about whole like, you
know democracy abolished the electoral college I don't want that.
Like, the idea of direct democracy really scares me.
tim pool
It doesn't work.
lauren chen
Yeah, I don't think so.
tim pool
I'll tell you what democracy is going to look like.
A bunch of people marching to your home yelling, rabble, rabble, rabble, and then you being executed for it.
Because it doesn't matter what's right, it matters what the majority wants.
lauren chen
Yeah, and that's what I try to tell, you know, these SJWs, is that, well, slavery was democratic.
And then they'll come back with something.
Well, no, no, you know, inherent in the concept of democracy is, you know, the idea of, you know, universal rights.
It's like, no, it's not.
That's not inherent in democracy.
Well, part of that is inherent in democracy.
Democracy just means like, you know, rule of the demos.
So it's whatever, whatever we want.
tim pool
Yeah, so if you have a constitutional republic, then you have guaranteed rights that constrain the government's actions, and then when people come yelling, rabble, rabble, rabble, what's supposed to happen is the cops are supposed to say, GTFO, break it up.
ian crossland
I think you could run for office, you could change the way the government's structured so that stupid people don't have as much influence, so that people in general don't have as much influence on the system.
Or you could start a private enterprise that benefits the world in such a way that politics can't hinder it.
lauren chen
Well, that's what the founding fathers wanted to do, set up a government so limited so that it couldn't have this huge effect on people's lives.
But obviously, yeah, over, you know, hundreds of years, things have changed.
And I've actually, I mean, I've kind of flirted with the idea, like, let's just raise the voting age.
Well, I mean, we know now that brains aren't fully developed until I think we're like mid-twenties.
tim pool
Hey, hey, I think there's a very simple solution presented to us through Starship Troopers.
unidentified
Service guarantees citizenship.
ian crossland
That is a fascist dictatorship.
Starship Troopers.
tim pool
No, it isn't.
ian crossland
You're wrong.
tim pool
You are completely wrong.
ian crossland
I mean, it's just military corporate.
tim pool
Sargon of Akkad did a huge breakdown explaining the ideology of the dude who wrote it.
And it was a liberalist society based on, like, Locke.
lauren chen
Yeah, and the idea of service guaranteeing citizenship, that's actually a Greek principle.
So what about that is, I guess, fascist to you?
ian crossland
I guess that the... Well, I don't know much about the corporate power of Starship Troopers, to be honest.
tim pool
But I would imagine that... The general idea was you could quit at any time.
If you provided service, it could be in a wide range of different areas.
It doesn't necessarily mean military or war.
And they encourage you to leave because they want only people truly committed to the betterment of society fighting to vote on those issues.
But citizens, civilians had full rights.
Citizens had the right to vote.
ian crossland
I think if the government's giving you the citizenship, it's different than you giving yourself the citizenship.
Which is what we have.
tim pool
Here's the conflict.
Look, do you know why only landowners could vote back in the day?
lauren chen
Because they had a vested interest.
They had a stake.
tim pool
And it was also because, I was reading something about it, it was amazing, they were like, people didn't have IDs back then.
So how did we know who you were and why you had a right to vote?
Oh, because you live here and you're a member of the community voting on the issue.
So people who didn't live there didn't vote.
But then we got to the point where we had landlords, and we had apartment complexes, and we had expansive society.
So we were like, well, these people live here.
We need a way to prove they do.
So then we started doing IDs.
Then we just made it basically like everybody votes.
But no longer did anybody have a vested interest.
So now it's like time-based.
You have to live here for a certain amount of time, then you can register.
But then you can leave right away.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So I think we're at a point where...
Everybody should have the right to vote, but we have to figure out how to make sure that when votes occur, the people who vote have a vested interest in what they're voting for.
I don't know how you do that, though.
lauren chen
That's hard, and I'm not sure how to do that either, but what I think is really, really terrible is mandatory voting.
I am very, very strongly against that.
And I've actually heard people say, it's great, you know, this is how you Realize democracy, but I don't want people who are apathetic and uninformed to have to vote.
That's the opposite of what you want.
And I'm someone who very strongly believes that just universal franchise is not the same thing as universal rights.
And so I think we've conflated these two issues, democracy and liberty.
And I think we need to be spending more time talking about liberty and actual rights rather than just conflating it with checking a box on a ballot, especially when the ballots aren't secure, as it's seeming increasingly like.
tim pool
This is insane.
We had like 100,000 ballots go out in New York that were like mislabeled.
lauren chen
Amazing.
tim pool
We had 70,000 ballots in Baltimore were held by the post office for five days.
No idea why.
I think all in all about a million ballots in the primaries were at risk for disqualification because of the post office, not the individuals.
So this is going to be fun.
What happens when you get people in Brooklyn and they can't vote?
That's those Democrat votes.
Then the Democrats are going to sue and they're going to jam everything up and Trump's going to be like, you did this.
This is your fault.
You're disqualified.
Don't look at me.
And they're going to drag it out like crazy.
Then they're going to blame Trump for everything.
I don't think these people are going to vote.
That's the thing.
I think maybe Biden's up in the polls, but I tell you, man, I see people on Facebook saying things like orange man bad.
And I know for a fact, these people will not vote.
You could take the ballot, jam it in their face, and hand them the pen, and they're going to be like, and they're not going to do it.
So I'm like, they're going to get a mail-in ballot, and it's going to land in their junk pile.
First of all, I know a lot of these people in Chicago, my friends.
I'm like, dude, you don't even check your mail.
When you do, you throw it in a bin.
There's like a bin under the mailbox.
You just chuck it in because you're like, it's junk.
They're not going to vote.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, that kind of is what happened with Bernie Sanders and his support base, right?
I mean, there are a lot of the like really militant Bernie bros.
Well, you didn't show up in the primary votes.
So I guess like the revolution is important, but not that important.
tim pool
The revolution is important to claim, but not actually do.
ian crossland
So regarding the Starship Troopers, someone in the comments, we talked about this before on the show, said that service is only military service in that movie.
Because we had said that it was service of any kind, like different types.
tim pool
Right, I think what I mean to say is it's not combat.
ian crossland
People were saying only combat service gives you citizenship.
lauren chen
No, that's not true.
ian crossland
A lot of people were saying that in the comments.
lauren chen
No, it's definitely not only combat.
Right?
Because even in the movie, I've not read the book, but even in the movie, there are roles that aren't combat.
tim pool
Yeah.
There's like intelligence, military service.
It is military service.
In the movie, people are joining the military, but they're not combat.
ian crossland
I don't know.
Do you guys, do you guys actually like that?
lauren chen
I'm fine with the idea of service guaranteeing citizenship and I don't think it should be strictly military because I think that I'm not someone who's you know big military person that's like one of the few areas where I disagree with you know a lot of other conservatives but I mean I think some sort of national service whether that be I don't know, yeah, military would be one.
tim pool
Working in a VA.
lauren chen
Yeah, a VA or something like that.
unidentified
Helping people.
lauren chen
Some sort of volunteer service.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm into that.
So like, I don't just like pure military service though.
lauren chen
Yeah, or like, you know, environmental work.
Just something where you actually have to like pay back into the system through time.
ian crossland
In order to vote?
Is that what you guys, is that what you're talking about?
unidentified
I would support that.
tim pool
I'm not saying I'm endorsing this, first and foremost.
ian crossland
I would endorse that.
tim pool
But I am saying there's something there to look at and then work through and figure out this idea that you have to earn your vote.
You can't just arbitrarily vote because what happens is now they're trying to lower the voting age to 16.
The Democrats are like, let's just get 16 year olds to vote.
It's like, what?
Dude, there were 16 year olds like biting Tide Pods.
They weren't eating them.
lauren chen
Okay.
tim pool
First of all, nobody ate a Tide Pod.
One kid did, he died.
He died?
unidentified
Yeah, I remember.
tim pool
He actually ate one?
unidentified
Yeah, he swallowed it on accident.
tim pool
Well, there was one kid who was jokingly put a Tide Pod in his mouth.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it disintegrated and he aspirated some of the fluid and then started coughing and gagging and it scarred his lungs.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
So they weren't eating them.
It was a joke.
But if you're dumb enough to like, I saw a video once of some kids jump off of a garage roof, like backyard wrestling.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, great.
Give them the vote.
Now look, I get it.
They're adults that do the same thing.
You know what I mean?
lauren chen
But I mean, it's not just being ageist.
There's actual science to back up the idea that no, 16-year-olds don't make good decisions because of their prefrontal cortex.
They're not completely neurologically developed and they have an especially hard time making long-term decisions, which I would say are important when it comes to voting.
When I was 16, I actually made a playlist for someone because I thought that would convince them to date me.
These people should know.
tim pool
To be fair, how old were you, 16?
lauren chen
I was 16.
tim pool
That might work for 16-year-olds.
lauren chen
It's a bad, bad idea.
Don't do it, kids.
tim pool
But this brings up a bigger point.
Why should a 16-year-old vote when the most important news in their world is that Janie got a haircut and now Billy won't stop looking at her?
Right.
So I remember I was talking to, I think I mentioned this in the show, I was talking to some family, and I was trying to explain news to my cousin's child, who was just like a 13-year-old girl.
And they were like, oh, she'll never care.
She doesn't care.
And I said, the easiest way to explain news to a kid is like, who's the worst person in your class?
And then she's like, oh, like this, this person.
Now imagine she was given the ability to make rules for you.
And she went, and I'm like, all of a sudden you care about what it is she's doing and why this is going on.
It's like, that'd be crazy.
And I'm like, that's what it is for when you're adult.
And like, you know, Joe Biden or Donald Trump wants to be president.
You've got people who are like, we don't like this person.
He's going to make the rules for us.
So the issue with voting is.
Do you actually have a vested interest in this?
You don't!
lauren chen
What would you both think, you all think, about tying the right to vote to being a net taxpayer?
Because a lot of people have an issue with the fact that right now you are able to vote to give yourself someone else's property essentially.
tim pool
And then what ends up happening is, over time, you have a continuation of, vote for me and I guarantee you I will take his to give to you.
lauren chen
I mean, it's Pan Am at Kirk Kansas at a certain point, right?
You're promising people raw goods in order for their vote.
tim pool
Well, Andrew Yang literally did that.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Vote for me and I'll give you... I think he even tweeted, like, I'm literally offering you a thousand dollars.
lauren chen
And I'm like... How is that not trying to buy a vote?
tim pool
Is that illegal?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I'm sorry, there's a quote from some guy.
I don't know if you can try and find it where he said something like,
American democracy will end when politicians realize they can simply offer up taxpayer dollars
in exchange for votes, something like that.
ian crossland
What was the exact question you were saying?
lauren chen
How would you feel about tying the ability to vote to being a net taxpayer?
ian crossland
What's a net taxpayer?
lauren chen
Like, I mean, there are some people who, for example, put in more to the pot than they take out.
You know, when you factor in all the services that they use, entitlements and things like that.
So there are people out there, and I think this is an interesting idea, I would have to see how it's exactly calculated before I say I would for sure support, you know, a certain plan, but there are people out there who think that, for example, if you're a net taker from the system, if you're claiming all these entitlements and you're not paying any taxes, that you shouldn't be able to vote because at that point you're voting for your right to take away someone else's property or you yourself are not bankrolling the government.
tim pool
I got an idea.
We got, how many people?
We got four people in here.
All in favor of taking Ian's stuff and then keeping it for ourselves.
lauren chen
He sounds good.
unidentified
Me.
I knew I was going to lose.
I just wanted you guys to like me.
tim pool
Okay.
For those that are listening, everyone raise their hand including Ian.
unidentified
He's very generous.
tim pool
Psychological.
unidentified
He's a generous guy.
ian crossland
Now I get to give it back to myself, right?
unidentified
Was that the plan?
tim pool
Yeah, but only a little bit.
lauren chen
Gosh, who's that person that said democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting what's for dinner?
tim pool
I think it's misattributed to Benjamin Franklin.
lauren chen
It's a good quote either way, though.
tim pool
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch.
A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
lauren chen
Yeah, I like that.
tim pool
Something like that.
ian crossland
I don't like the money thing.
I don't like tying voting into how wealthy you are.
I don't really like that idea.
tim pool
It's like there's something there.
How do we make sure that people have a vested interest in who they're voting for and why?
lauren chen
So the services would be like a way to do that without tying it to wealth, right?
Because you can volunteer time even if you're not able to do it for money.
ian crossland
What about a political aptitude test that you can take?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Why?
lauren chen
I actually... Historically, that's been dubbed racist.
In the states, I think the southern states, they tried to implement like a a reading test or something.
tim pool
Oh yeah, and it was like the words used like double meanings and so it was like impossible
lauren chen
to answer correctly.
I mean that would be, you'd be unable to do that in the United States.
But I, you know it's really hard when you have people voting on issues that affect the
economy when they have no idea how the economy works.
tim pool
Like, let's just give everybody a thousand dollars.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't like people that go in and they just check D for everything.
Or R. Or whatever.
tim pool
Did you guys hear about the transgender satanist anarchist who ran as a Republican and won?
Won the primary.
So, and she made a really great point, like, you voted, why are you mad?
That was your choice.
Oh, maybe you shouldn't just, yeah, why are you putting it down?
unidentified
Maybe you should actually look up who you're voting for.
ian crossland
Well, didn't it used to be 21?
The voting age was 21?
lauren chen
Yeah, during I think it was Vietnam and then they lowered it because there are people who are being drafted who are unable to vote and you know the argument was and I agree with it if I'm able to die for my country I should be able to you know to actually vote for what happens and so when I've talked about how about raising the voting age a lot of people have said so you think Service members shouldn't be able to vote and this is gonna be something controversial but I actually do think and I'm interested to hear what you all think that 18 is very very young to be able to join the military.
tim pool
I think you've just solved the equation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You have to be at least 25 or have served in the military.
ian crossland
Yeah, we're served in some capacity yeah, yeah government capacity not necessarily government Maybe like I would the government kind of sucks Yeah, I would be like I think it would be cool to extend that to like NGOs or just like charities or some sort of Civic Involvement, you know, you know a problem is sometimes you have genius 16 year olds that should be a Yeah, but yeah outliers, no if they were smart enough they
tim pool
would just stand on the shoulders of their body with the trench coat
They'd be able to vote Fake mustache and actually like the one thing that's when I
lauren chen
first started talking about raising the voting age to 25 I think I was 23 at the time and I had people saying well
aren't you upset that that would take away your own right to vote and
And I thought that was such a strange argument for them to make because, you know, when I when we were talking about this, I would assume that we're not trying to do what's in interest of ourselves, but rather for the country.
So it's like, even if it ends up disenfranchising myself, I want what's best for the country.
tim pool
Like if we had to ban Twitter, I'd be on board.
I'd be like, government, come in and just take everyone's phone, including mine.
I will gladly give up.
It's a horrible, horrible thing.
I think Twitter is an example of why direct democracy doesn't work.
It is literal mob rule on that site.
And it's just people screaming as loud as possible and saying the stupidest things.
And that's what the world would be like without this.
the system. Heaven forbid we got rid of the Electoral College and Twitter represented what
lauren chen
actually won. Well, what do you think the, I guess social media in general, but specifically Twitter,
what effect do you think that has had on the progressive left? People like AOC and Ilhan Omar.
tim pool
Yeah, it's made them absolutely insane.
Look at Bernie Sanders.
He's been, like, you know, when I think of politics in this country, you have, like, the left and the right, and Donald Trump is, like, sitting on a stump in, like, kind of center-right position, and he's flicking, you know, a little bread at the birds, and he's just sitting there, and he's like, I'm over here, because everybody's sitting there, and we're going to build a wall.
It's going to be great.
And then Bernie was next to him, but then Bernie was in a car just driving left and just kept going, and now he's not even in the room with anybody.
He's just gone.
Bernie Sanders originally was like, and the free trade agreements, we need border security, you know, open borders, a right-wing proposal.
ian crossland
It's because Hillary cut his brakes.
He didn't stop the car, he just kept going.
I don't want to blame her, but the DNC cut his brakes.
unidentified
I don't know, I think...
tim pool
I think it's because they're eating their own refuse.
The far left is... It's lovely imagery.
It's like human centipede, but instead of one line, it's a circle where they're all stitched together, you know?
So what happens is...
Uh, and I've explained this quite a bit.
If someone on the right steps out of line even a little bit, BAM!
lauren chen
Instantly.
Gone, yeah.
tim pool
So all that's left are these very, like, you know, clean-cut, for the most part, moderate conservative types on social media.
You know, Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones, Laura Loomer, all removed from Twitter.
So they're not part of the conversation anymore.
Now you have Jack Posobiec and, like, Will Chamberlain, and they're very, you know, for all the criticisms that people give Jack, he's still very just kind of... I don't know what the right word is.
lauren chen
To me, he's just mainstream conservative.
tim pool
Well, I want to say kind of like down-tone, not bombastic, not screaming.
You're getting like, I hereby think this is important for this reason.
It's kind of like, okay, I get it.
unidentified
Low-key, religious.
tim pool
But the left is allowed to say whatever they want.
ian crossland
Dude, it's a private company.
I worked at Mines for a long time.
I co-founded the company and worked as an admin.
You get total control of who you want to ban within reason of how you interpret the code, how you interpret it.
tim pool
So think about what happens.
So Jack Dorsey, who literally donated, what, $10 million to Ibram X. Kendi?
I don't know what you want to call him, but he's essentially... He's a supremacist, for sure.
Or he's a segregationist, I guess.
He called Amy Coney Barrett a bunch of really awful things because of her kids.
But anyway, Jack Dorsey donates to that guy.
So then he allows the fringe of the fringe And so because there's no breaks on the left on social media, they're just going full speed, Mach 7 to the left, whereas conservatives are being held where they are, because if they step out of line, they'll get banned.
So that turns someone like liberal Tim Pool into a conservative because they just keep going further and further left.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, I think the whole, with the whole Twitter thing and Facebook as well, YouTube, all of these tech platforms, I think we are, if we're not already there, we are entering an age where we're going to be a technocracy, right?
And what I don't understand is right now in the US, and really I think most democracies,
there are campaign finance laws and restrictions about how you can advertise on these social
media platforms because they recognize it is campaigning.
So how can you tell me that Donald Trump posting an ad onto Facebook or whatever, that's political
activism needs to be declared and monitored, all that.
But Facebook can ban whoever they want flat out, control whatever stories flat out, and
we can't do anything about that?
That makes no sense.
tim pool
Facebook just banned 216 Trump ads.
Because he was talking about, he said, a bunch of the ads were like, Joe Biden will increase the amount of refugees coming into this country.
A very serious issue that people are concerned with.
If you are concerned about, you know, increasing immigrants and refugees in this country, it doesn't mean you're racist.
Facebook banned them.
lauren chen
Because they think that's racist.
tim pool
They have a rule against telling people that they're in danger due to, you know, other people based on national origin or whatever.
And it's arbitrary.
lauren chen
Wait, so does that mean that Democrats aren't allowed to tell people that the Russians are trying to fix their election?
tim pool
It does.
But of course, they'll get away with it.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
And they'll get to do whatever they want.
I mean, and boy, are they really pushing that Russia garbage.
lauren chen
They are.
And you know what's funny?
tim pool
It's back, baby.
lauren chen
I'm old enough where I can remember that, gosh, when Mitt Romney was running against Barack Obama, he actually named Russia as the biggest threat to the United States.
And all the liberals at the time were laughing at him.
Yeah, this isn't the Cold War, Grandpa.
And then, you know, just a couple, several years later, here we are and they're trying to make, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that like Russia is amazing in terms of track record for human rights.
And I'm also not saying they're not trying to influence things, but they're really making them out to be the boogeyman.
tim pool
This is a really good example of why service guarantees citizenship as an idea.
Because right now you have these low, I call them low information belligerents.
So that's like a dude I know in Chicago who's always retweeting stuff.
And it's the funniest thing to me because I'm like, bro, I know you.
You sit around making sourdough bread in your apartment.
You're not paying attention at all to any of this.
You're seeing a spicy hot take from someone that you don't understand and you're hitting retweet.
Mm-hmm.
You're not gonna vote, I know you're not gonna vote, but you're pushing these unhinged, busted ideas
because it's tribal.
unidentified
And then you're sitting there going like, I'm so smart, yeah.
tim pool
And then what?
And then they have the nerve to criticize me.
Dude, I read nothing but news all day, every day for hours.
And then I do four hours of content on it.
I'm not saying I know everything in the world, but I'm pretty sure I know a bit more than these random people who think they're smart.
So you get a bunch of people who have no idea what's going on, who for tribal reasons are like, we wanna own the cons, so we're gonna go vote against our own interests, while simultaneously believing that Trump supporters are voting against their own interests.
That's one of the funniest things, too, about this whole cycle.
Someone commented on one of my threads being like, Trump has lied to you, he has told you to live recklessly, and now you've all been convinced the whole time while he's getting all the best treatment in the world.
It's like the COVID thing.
He told you to drink bleach while he gets medicine.
Except he never said that. Like Joe Biden said on the debate stage, why don't you inject some bleach?
And then Trump responded, that was sarcastic. Trump, you didn't even say to inject bleach.
Just, man, Trump was really off his game, huh? But it's like, I don't care. What these people
don't realize is the best example of the left having no idea what's going on is the Proud Boys hashtag.
You saw this?
unidentified
Yes, I did.
tim pool
So there was 500,000 tweets of mostly LGBT people, and it was photos of, like, gay couples saying, we're Proud Boys.
And the actual Proud Boys didn't care.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
And they never did.
And they didn't even use the hashtag.
So I guess, like, the leader of the Proud Boys issued a statement saying, we have gay members, we're totally cool with this.
Like, I don't understand what the point is.
They don't care.
The journalists were actually saying after the debate, don't interview the Proud Boys.
Don't give them press.
And I'm like, the real reason they're saying that is because then they'd be forced to interview a black man and ask him why he's a white supremacist and Americans would be like, huh?
unidentified
What?
Who's this?
tim pool
What?
But that's the name of the game.
Don't talk.
Don't report the news.
Don't tell people what's really going on.
When I started doing my daily YouTube stuff after I left Fusion, I was going to Sweden because you had this right-wing narrative of all this violence in Sweden.
And Donald Trump was like, you see what's going on last night in Sweden?
So I said, I'm going to go.
I got hit up by a bunch of vice news journalists saying, don't do it.
And I was like, why not?
And they're like, because they're lying.
And I was like, who's lying?
The conservatives.
lauren chen
And then you'd go and you'd see that.
tim pool
I was like, great, I'll go and prove that they're lying.
And they're like, no, don't do it.
Don't get your money to charity.
And I was like... I was really confused.
I was like, dude, I worked with you like a year ago.
You know I travel around the world covering news whenever there's a big story.
Why wouldn't I go to Sweden?
It sounds too... I was like, I was literally there three months before.
I had ice cream, walking around.
It was totally fine.
I was in Mama.
And I was like, I don't understand why I'm getting berated all of a sudden.
This was when like...
I guess, I think the culture war started, and I was like off doing my thing, you know, I went to like Japan, I was in Fukushima, just filming documentaries and minding my own business, and then all of these people were going insane, and people I had worked with who were like, supposedly normal journalists lost their minds, and they were like, for the sake of our tribe, don't you dare report the news!
And I was like, huh?
That makes no sense to me.
But those people are going to vote now.
They're going to vote after they're telling me not to report the news.
They're telling others not to report the news.
Now you have a bunch of low-information people who think they're smarter than everyone, and they're voting!
ian crossland
I think there's a xenophobic tinge in the United States that's just prevalent in our culture.
tim pool
What do you mean by that?
ian crossland
I was told South America's dangerous.
I was like, oh, so I believed it.
And then I went to South America in the jungle in Chile, where they don't have local police.
They only have.
I went there and it's not.
I mean, yeah, it is.
The United States is great.
You know, our local law enforcement is killer.
It's the best.
It's not the word I should use.
unidentified
A local law enforcement is awesome.
ian crossland
Having a local law enforcement protecting you from the federal level or from the state
level from the federal level is amazing.
Like in Chile, it's only national cops.
So if you mess up one place, the whole country, you're a criminal.
You don't have local protection.
But it's not something to fear.
And unless you go there, you wouldn't know that because our whole culture is like, don't
leave.
You're safe here.
So are we are any of us qualified to vote except for the ones that dig deep?
unidentified
Well, I think a lot of a lot of people would say no.
lauren chen
Frankly, there are people out there who who are very disillusioned and they just want
to kind of return to.
I mean, I've even I've even seen people like.
Advocate for monarchies right now, like a constitutional monarchy, just because they're so disillusioned with things.
I'm not doing that, but yeah, I mean, a lot of people feel the exact same way.
They think the system's broken.
You know, votes can't be trusted, and even if they could be, do people have enough information to vote?
It's really scary, and there's no good answer.
tim pool
Yeah, there's no perfect system, because if you get, let's say you have a monarchy, and you have a great leader, then the country's gonna work really, really well, but then they have a kid, and the kid's a dick, and then the country, you know, doesn't do well.
Or you get these ideologues who think they're smarter than the collective, you know, computational power of the human mind, decentralized.
So, like, a really good example of that would be, like, Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro, or any other communist, where it's like, The capitalistic system we have is decentralized apportionment of resources.
So you have each individual deciding what they need and when they want it, and then people freely trade, and the system just operates in a decentralized network.
The communists think one individual can calculate better than millions of people.
lauren chen
Centralized system.
tim pool
Which they can't.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
And so then everything ends up breaking.
lauren chen
Shortages, red lines.
tim pool
So the key is like, I really think the United States is the best form of government we've seen on this planet so far.
You have three branches.
You've got your monarch and the executive, but there's limits and they have to be voted in.
Then you have your direct democracy, which is Congress, which is terrible and everyone hates, but at least it's, you know, by, you know, region.
And then you have the Council of Elders.
So it's like three different types of government combined that are constantly yelling at each other.
The problem we have is, it was impossible for the Founding Fathers to cover every loophole.
So I was watching this new video by CGP Grey.
Do you guys know who CGP Grey is?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Great YouTube channel.
And he was talking about the Supreme Court, and it was very non-partisan, it's very awesome.
He was explaining that there's something called a recess appointment, that if Congress is in recess, the President can appoint a Supreme Court Justice until they come back to vote.
Right.
but what they do something called pro forma sessions where they basically walk
in and go all you know all rise there's no one there okay we're done
for the day everyone have a nice day that way they're still technically
in session so it's it's clearly a manipulation on what the
constitution was supposed to allow
but it's allowed So Trump should be able, or Obama should have been able, to say Merrick Garland is temporarily being put on the court until Senate comes back and then votes yay or nay.
But instead, they just come back, it's like every fourth day, because you're allowed to recess for three days.
You're allowed to take a break for three days, otherwise it's considered a recess.
So on the fourth day they come in and they say, all duties, you know, relegated to this individual, and then they walk out.
And then no one shows up.
Yeah, so it's clearly broken.
How we fix it?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Have you guys heard of the National Initiative?
It was a concept to create a fourth branch of government.
Mike Gravel, a senator, Alaskan senator, I think he was.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
So it would make, like, every state would have a representative, and then each of those representatives would receive data from their constituents, and then they'd be able to pass laws.
So it'd basically be like the people's version of the legislation, and then we'd be able to pass laws into the Senate.
tim pool
No, that's literally what the House is.
ian crossland
Well, but it would give the population the ability to write laws, send it to the representative, and then the national initiative would pass it in.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, that's still technically allowed.
Like, I mean, nothing's stopping any citizen from sending things to the representative.
ian crossland
But then we have to rely on Congress to do it.
Like you say, they're corrupt as all get out.
tim pool
It's not that they're corrupt.
They are.
lauren chen
I think they're corrupt.
tim pool
Yeah, but the problem with Congress and their low approval is likely due to the fact that if one person represents one district, they clearly don't care about all the other districts.
So if you have like AOC, right, and she wins, and she did really, really well in her primary, you got a ton of people in that district who love her.
Everyone else in the country hates her.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Doesn't matter.
She represents them.
Right.
So then what's going to happen is that you're going to ask everyone in the country, how do you feel about AOC?
And most of them are going to say we don't like her because she rep.
Yeah, she represents one district.
So it's very likely that every member of Congress will have a low national approval rating.
So then Congress gets an overall really low approval rating.
lauren chen
We were kind of talking about this before the show, but that's exactly why I'm at least in favor of balkanization
or at the very least more decentralization.
Because I think the way the Founding Fathers imagined the federal government ruling over, you know, all of these different states operating somewhat autonomously was a good idea, right?
I think if people in California want to do X, Y, or Z, they should be able to.
And if you don't like it, you can move to somewhere more free.
But right now, the size of the federal government, I mean, in Canada as well, it's so big that you have these people in California Or in Quebec and Ontario.
They vote on legislation that affects everyone in the country.
And I don't think that's fair.
And I think either, you know, let's bring back the concept of city-states or shrink down the federal government and let more of these issues be decided on a local level.
So the people who are voting for these laws, who want to live under them, they're not affecting the ones who don't.
ian crossland
And so would you set up like sunset clauses in all current laws?
lauren chen
Yeah, I mean, I think it would need to be something like that, because otherwise, I mean, they're, like, the amount of laws that are on the books, it's literally an oppressive amount.
tim pool
Yeah, and they never go away.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
It's like, we have a tendency towards creating more laws and not getting rid of them.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
We talked about this before.
There's, like, ridiculous laws, like, you can't take a bath on Sundays in Massachusetts or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it was, like, back then it made sense.
lauren chen
And they just left it.
tim pool
Yeah, and they just leave it, but then like no one enforces it.
Yeah.
But then you, so there's actually something really interesting I was reading about New York.
There's this funny story where a black cop went to Central Park and started giving out public drinking tickets to
couples having picnics and drinking wine.
And he got in trouble for it.
And all these people were like, oh, harumph!
Like I was drinking wine on my picnic.
Why was I being cited for public intoxication?
And the cop said, because the cops come to my neighborhood and give out tickets to the dudes drinking 40s on their stew.
So you want to come to my neighborhood and give out tickets?
I'm going to come to your hood and give out tickets.
And so apparently he created this like, you know, fiasco where the cop actually got in trouble, which I think is BS because he was totally right.
lauren chen
Yeah, he's within his right.
unidentified
That's the law.
lauren chen
I agree with him.
tim pool
Yeah, he's giving out tickets.
You can't have it, you know, we need equality under the law.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
But I started reading about this and it was funny.
Apparently, when they banned public drinking in New York, it was because of homeless drunk people and like vagrants.
And some politician said, this law will never be construed.
Obviously, this law will never be construed to say that a worker couldn't enjoy a beer with their lunch.
And now quite literally, you can't have a beer with your lunch.
lauren chen
Yeah, so it's like they write laws thinking we know exactly what the point of this law is Then two generations go by and it's like I don't know it says no one's allowed to drink So yeah, I mean that's a lot of debate over like an originalist versus a textualist And I I'm not someone who thinks like oh, well this literally says this so we can ignore the spirit of the law But that's why I think you can't really you can't leave things up to interpretation.
I think you should be as specifically clear as possible.
And like, even this whole debate over the Second Amendment, I mean, we know from looking through history what the Founding Fathers meant.
I mean, we have people saying, oh, well, they didn't mean weapons of war.
Like, oh, there were merchant ships with cannons, actually, at the time.
tim pool
Yeah, privateers, man.
You gotta build a warship.
unidentified
Exactly.
lauren chen
It's pretty obvious what they meant, but because it's not explicitly written enough in these people's opinions, it's up for Interpretation.
tim pool
You know, the original writing of the Second Amendment was much more clear.
It straight up said something to the effect of, like, even if you aren't joining any kind of military service, you can still have a gun.
lauren chen
Yeah, they should have left it.
tim pool
They should.
I wonder, I think they didn't because it would have, I guess, banned conscription.
Interesting.
And so they, that was something having to do with it.
But the general idea was if somebody doesn't want to join the military, they're still allowed to have guns.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
They get rid of that.
And now the left is going, but it says a well-regulated militia.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
What does regulated mean?
What was the original concept?
Because I've heard some people say it meant regulated in the sense of they have weapons that are clean and operable.
I've read things saying that they were, you know, the left says it's regulated by the government.
But the government wasn't that powerful and encompassing back then.
There was no, like, you could be off in the middle of the woods.
There was no regulation over you.
Nothing could be done.
ian crossland
There were, like, regulars?
Were military, like, an advanced form of a military crew?
I don't know the definition exactly of what regulars were.
tim pool
So, I've read some arguments that it was a reference to having standard equipment.
ian crossland
A regulated militia meant... So they all had the same gun.
If one dropped it, you could pick it up and you knew how to use it.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so, from that reading, it was a militia of people who have guns, know how to use them, and they're up to, you know, they're working and functional, is what we need for a free state.
Therefore, everyone should be able to have guns.
But now they've changed it because the left are, you know, textualists, like, no, no, regulated today means something different.
ian crossland
Oh, so like if you had an AR and I had a pistol, we're not regular?
tim pool
I don't know, I don't know exactly.
No, the argument, like, that would be, that would still be.
The idea was that you were well equipped.
The problem with the textualists is that this manipulation of the far left, changing definitions, is that the Constitution could mean the First Amendment.
Okay, let's change the definition of religion.
And now all of a sudden you've changed the First Amendment.
So if you're a textualist and you're going by what it says based on what we interpret the language today, there's no Constitution at all.
lauren chen
Right.
I agree with that.
I think, isn't Kavanaugh more of a textualist?
tim pool
I don't know.
lauren chen
Yeah, I think I had read that somewhere, but yeah, I mean, I completely agree that that's a problem and it's a slippery thing to do.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I would say regarding militias that it's important if we were going to like form a militia, that we all knew how to use each other's weapons.
tim pool
Well, that's why everyone has standard issue weapons.
Well, in the military.
ian crossland
But like, if we were going to form a well-regulated militia, it would be like, I know how to use your weapon.
So we're all trained with each other's weapons.
In case you go down, I can pick your weapon up and know how to use it and not hurt somebody.
tim pool
I think the general idea of guns is that.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought the sentence was just getting started.
tim pool
No, that was it.
ian crossland
Is that... What do you mean, is that?
Is that what it says?
tim pool
Well, I mean, if you... So, when... 1978.
Have you ever seen that movie, what you call it, The Last Samurai, I think, with Tom Cruise?
Yes, I have not.
Yeah, basically, like, the Americans go to Japan and they're like, with these weapons, you can take a random dude and he can press the thing and then, boom, you blow somebody up.
It allowed them to have, like, to lower the cost of training great warriors.
The samurai had to go through all this training to be the best of the best, raised from youth.
Now you just got a gun, you know?
You just crank the lever, and then you get some random dude to do it, and you're blowing people up.
You win.
ian crossland
But you want to know how to take it apart, how to clean it, how to load it.
tim pool
Look at the McDonald's method.
Have you seen the movie The Founder?
unidentified
No.
No.
tim pool
Have you seen the founder? It's a good movie. It's about the start of McDonald's.
Oh. And basically the idea was each person in the McDonald's only know how to do one simple thing.
No one person could make the burger. Like assembly line.
Exactly. So it wasn't regulated.
ian crossland
They work for you.
tim pool
Your job is the lettuce, your job is the mayo and the mustard, is the ketchup and the mustard.
lauren chen
But that's the more efficient way to do that.
ian crossland
I mean, in the military, to a point, it is like that.
Like, you have one guy's the medic, one guy's the grenade launcher.
lauren chen
Yeah, you have specialized roles.
ian crossland
But everyone trains with the grenade launcher.
Everyone trains with the ambulance.
lauren chen
Well, to a certain point, right?
I mean, there are still specialized roles.
Like, if you're a radio operator, you know, the average person isn't going to be able to do your job like you are.
ian crossland
Right.
lauren chen
It's like, what is it, the Marine Corps?
Like every marina rifleman or infantryman or something like that?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that it?
ian crossland
Everyone is at least a rifleman.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Well then, do you think that on November 3rd, the United States is going to descend into chaos, fracture into multiple countries, and then, you know, someone's going to fire off the nukes and the world's going to blow up and then we're all dead?
lauren chen
Well, you know what the interesting thing is?
Because 2020 has been such a terrible year.
I mean, I'm ready for 2021.
Let's finish with this.
tim pool
It's like a roller coaster, man.
It's fun, huh?
lauren chen
Oh, I'm tired.
I'm very tired.
I'm tired.
I was thinking about this.
What probably will happen is the most disruptive thing.
And I kind of think the most disruptive thing for a lot of people would be Trump winning.
So I do think that that's going to happen.
And I think, you know, the people on social media will cry, there will be riots, you know, liberal governors won't accept help, as kind of has been happening all this summer.
But I think life will ultimately go on.
And actually, I mean, this is, I mean, kind of, it's pretty dark, but I actually get paid in American dollars.
So a US economy being strong, exchange rate, I mean, that benefits me greatly.
I get like a little bit of a raise anytime I convert my money.
tim pool
Oh, so if the American economy does better and better and better.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like you just converted to Canadian dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it's just like monopoly money, right?
lauren chen
Essentially, right.
But it benefits me.
ian crossland
Yeah.
lauren chen
So it's like I don't it's not that I'm wishing our Canadian economy is going to keep getting worse, but it's I think it is an objective fact that is what will happen.
tim pool
I'm worried. I really am because we just we saw this video These videos of people fighting the Trump rallies like
Trump supporters will have a rally and then you know The far left shows up and then we had more riots in Seattle
and Portland just last night. It's not stopping. It's it's 130 days now and
lauren chen
But I think all of this helps Trump and I think the average yeah, the average suburbanite is seeing this stuff and they're
tim pool
getting worried But then you have mail-in voting.
Completely broken.
So it was funny, somebody was tweeting trying to drag me because I made a video saying that bunk ballots sent out in mass prove the Democrats have corrupted the election, and I'm like, first of all, it's my opinion.
But I think it's a fair opinion because the Democrats are the one who have called for mail-in voting endlessly, tried jamming it through these COVID relief bills.
And then in Brooklyn, a hundred thousand ballots are incorrectly labeled and named.
So I'm like, yes, they have corrupted the election.
That's like, they literally did.
Okay.
It's my opinion.
Sure.
Fine.
But you can say in a factual sense, corrupted, meaning to like, it's like, you know, breaking it down, causing it to fall apart.
They did.
It was their calls for this, and it was in Brooklyn.
That's Democrats.
lauren chen
But I guess the better... I mean, the brighter side of that whole argument is that they've been able to shove these mail-in voting initiatives in already Democrat states, right?
So does it matter if... Swing states.
Yeah.
tim pool
Michigan.
lauren chen
They've done it in Michigan, yeah.
So those are the areas where you'd need to worry.
But I mean, the extra ones in Brooklyn isn't really a big deal.
It's only the swing states you need to worry about.
tim pool
It's actually really bad for them.
It's good for Trump.
Because New York is where the Democrats get their popular vote totals.
So if they're sacrificing themselves in California and New York, which they're doing, Trump's going to win the popular vote because of them.
So it'll be interesting because the Washington Post reported this, and this is very obvious, The demographic voting blocks that suffer the most under mail-in voting?
Minorities and young people.
lauren chen
Really?
tim pool
Why is that?
Yeah, people who are less likely to have experience voting and may need help.
So because you have older white voters who are familiar with voting and vote often, they don't need help.
Young people, first time voters, do need help.
And marginalized or disenfranchised voters, people who haven't been voting consistently, they're not going to have the help.
So what happens is they get their ballot, they do one tiny thing wrong and into the gutter.
So guess who's going to be benefited?
lauren chen
Trump in that case.
tim pool
Yep.
Absolutely.
Unless of course Trump really is winning the Latino and the black vote, which if according to NBC, if Trump just gets a tiny percentage, a couple of single digits from both voter blocks, he won't.
I guess we'll see what happens, but how about we take some Super Chats?
We have some great comments and questions.
I hope you're excited.
If you haven't already, smash the like button, because I see there's a lot of people hanging out, and thank you all so much for your Super Chats.
We have this year's Super Chat from JMac.
He says, oh no, Tim is hosting avowed half-Asian white supremacist Lauren Chen.
I joke, I joke.
My wife has been watching a lot of Lauren's podcast clips, and I think she's now more conservative than I am.
I appreciate her perspective.
lauren chen
Oh, thank you.
ian crossland
Hey, by the way, Lauren, what is your YouTube channel?
unidentified
Oh, right.
lauren chen
My YouTube channel is just Lauren Chen.
If you type that in, may or may not show up.
But we're also on all the audio-only platforms.
So iTunes, Spotify, Google Play.
I think that's a more reliable notification system.
YouTube doesn't always send them out.
But yeah, we post three times a week.
tim pool
Right on.
Let's see.
Dan Rouse says, Lauren, why no pigtails?
Love the show.
Love Lauren's show on The Blaze.
Keep it up.
lauren chen
Oh, thanks.
Yeah, I've worn pigtails several times.
I did a Harley Quinn, like, Birds of Prey review and I kind of, like, did the pigtail things for them.
But, I mean, a lot of people liked them, but what they also need to realize is that I'm 26.
unidentified
Come on, we got this.
lauren chen
Yeah, I don't know if I can still get away with that look as much.
ian crossland
You can pull it off.
If I can pull it off, you can pull it off.
unidentified
I'm sorry to interrupt.
Come on, you gotta do it now.
tim pool
Project Utopian says, would love to hear from all of you.
Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that Biden and the Democrats will win in November, December, January, or whenever they want to stop counting?
Is it war if Biden wins?
lauren chen
I don't think it's war if Biden wins.
I don't think like conservatives are going to go out and smash and break things.
I think there are conservatives who will be like, I'm moving to a slightly more red state, but I think, you know, life will continue.
tim pool
But what happens, I think, I think if Biden wins, it'll be this the slow erosion of the country.
lauren chen
Yeah, I mean, but that's already happening, even with Trump.
tim pool
No, Trump's brought back manufacturing.
Trump's secured the borders.
Trump's lowered unemployment.
The economy's been doing better.
lauren chen
Right, but I mean, look at the cultural decay, right?
tim pool
That's true.
lauren chen
I mean, look at the next generation.
Maybe he's, you could say he's postponed it, but look at, look at millennials, right?
Just look at our generation.
There's argument.
tim pool
They're so awful.
lauren chen
They're so awful.
And Gen Z, I mean, you got some pretty based ones, but like they, they are more radical in a lot of ways.
And, you know, Conservatives, you can say like, oh, well, we got Trump.
It's OK.
It's like, no, it's not.
The left has the education system.
Progressives have completely had a stranglehold on most major institutions.
You're delaying the inevitable.
I don't mean to blackmail people, but that's what I think at least.
ian crossland
You know, election night 2016, I threw my arms in the air and it was a super slow-mo.
I was ready for Hillary to win.
I was like, just ready to throw my arms in the air.
And it's still this long.
unidentified
Enjoy?
ian crossland
No, I was ready for it.
I thought Hillary had it in the bag.
tim pool
But were you happy?
ian crossland
No.
No, what do you mean in general?
tim pool
Like I give up?
ian crossland
Like I was about to give up?
No, no.
But it's been this super slow motion give up for the last four years.
And if Biden wins, it's just gonna happen.
Like what else are we gonna do?
Get a hang glider?
We should probably get hang gliders.
I don't think he has any chance, any chance of winning.
None.
And I think all these polls are lies.
I think they're specifically picking either segments of people, like, or that people are lying when they do it, like Trump supporters are trolling the polls.
lauren chen
One of my friends did say that she got called up and she, I mean, I don't want to say that she lied, but she didn't feel comfortable saying that she was voting for Trump.
Yeah, and I think a lot of people might feel the same.
tim pool
Yeah, because they know, they're like, hi Ian, are you voting for our Lord and Savior Joe Biden?
lauren chen
You're on a list now.
tim pool
I have some friends here who are very interested to visit you should you vote for Trump.
unidentified
You're like, I'm voting for Biden!
tim pool
I don't know what's gonna happen.
What do you think?
lauren chen
Oh, me?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't think Biden's going to win, but at this point I really don't know.
There have been so many black swans.
This is the year of the black swan.
I have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow.
Who knows what happens next week?
tim pool
I know, seriously.
lauren chen
A month is like 27 years in 2020 time.
unidentified
I feel like I'm 75 years old.
tim pool
I know.
At least time has slowed down for all us old people, you know?
Yeah.
Like it's boring and routine and then just like days speed by now.
It's like every day is a week.
lauren chen
Pretty much.
tim pool
It's like what happened today in the morning, you know, Trump caught COVID and the, and the, and the, you know, three days later, Trump's cured of COVID and then he was faking it.
Then he was going to die, but now he's alive again.
unidentified
It's great.
tim pool
All right.
ian crossland
What do you think?
tim pool
Um.
I would say that in my heart of hearts, I can't believe Trump would not win.
I can't because, like I was mentioning with Jack Murphy, he said the conditions that brought Trump about are only worse.
So more people are going to be like Trump.
It's also possible that the Democrats sending out these bunk mail-in ballots are going to cheat.
Some people are getting like eight ballots in DC.
All these tweets are coming out where they're like, look, I got a stack of ballots.
So what's going to happen, like we saw with Project Veritas and the people in Minneapolis, People are gonna go to mailbox to mailbox grabbing all of the stacks of ballots, and then they're gonna have someone cheat.
lauren chen
No, I've heard from leftist Twitter that A, that is a conspiracy theory, but B, even if it did happen, that's legal.
So it's both of those things.
unidentified
Both of those things are true.
tim pool
We'll have to fill out the ballots, but sure, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Aaron says, hey Tim, you and Adam encouraged us to speak out, so I started an audio podcast.
Can I get a shout out for Into the Fray?
Cover art says, what's next?
There you go, shout out, Into the Fray podcast.
Saga Fraga says, Hey Tim, Michigander here.
Faith in Trump, even if the unexpected happens.
Be prepared.
We survived eight years of Obama, but Trump is a beast.
Also, you should start a gaming segment.
Get away from the news.
I just beat that goose game.
Oh, have you ever seen it?
It's the best game ever.
You play as a goose and your goal is to harass the townspeople.
That's just about it.
And you can honk and flap your wings and then you just like steal their stuff and they chase you and then they fall down.
It's so good.
ian crossland
I think you should stream Spelunky too.
tim pool
Oh, no.
ian crossland
You should see Tim playing Spelunky 2, dude.
tim pool
I'm really disappointed.
ian crossland
It's so hard.
tim pool
It's not that... It's not that it's... I wouldn't say that it's so hard.
It's that it's chaotic.
That's what I was saying.
It's chaotic.
unidentified
Chaotic evil.
tim pool
Like, there's procedural generation error, in my opinion, poorly designed gameplay, where if you don't have any arrows or bombs, you quite literally can't pass the level.
So I'm like playing the game and I'm like, well, that's it.
And then I have to restart.
ian crossland
It's like... You're not the only one with that criticism.
tim pool
But, like, why would they design a game to where it's, like, the level starts and you're, like... You can beat it.
ian crossland
You can do it.
And they want to see it.
tim pool
They want to see you stream it.
Yeah, but it should be based on every time, every level, like, every time you play the game it's new, it's different.
And you can always beat the game, so long as you play right.
But they've quite literally made a game where it's, like, oh, sorry, not this one!
We made it so there's a wall in front of you, but you have no bombs left!
So, I've been playing it, and there are areas where it's, like, you literally have to have rope.
But then you use them up really fast, and then you get a level where it's like, oh, no rope, you lose.
unidentified
So it's like a Kobayashi Maru type of problem?
tim pool
I think COVID caused problems for development for a ton of games.
And they just, they were like, it got delayed and they published it.
But generally, the game is procedurally generated.
So it's like every level is just a mix of different objects.
So there are areas where it's like, can't get past that.
ian crossland
It's not that bad, but there have been instances where that's happened, and I'm like... You're starting to learn where stuff's gonna jump out, you can tell now?
tim pool
No, that's not the issue.
The issue is that it's literally like, I'll be playing and I'll be like, oh, there you go, game over, and I'll just turn it off.
ian crossland
That would be entertaining.
tim pool
I was like, wow, that was amazing, I can't even go past this level.
No bombs, no ropes.
ian crossland
I don't think you realize how entertaining that would be.
tim pool
Watching the frustration of like, the game got...
Yeah, but for the most part, it's definitely more difficult than the first one.
unidentified
Can't be done without swearing.
tim pool
It's just more chaotic.
Alright, let's see.
BioLythic says, I support Lauren Chen.
Great guest, Tim.
Oh yeah, Lauren's great.
ShepardinStudio says, you gave my dog Shep a shout-out during the Battle of Berkeley.
Can you do it again and say, Shep is the best bupper.
Thanks, Tim.
Dog right.
unidentified
Awesome.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
We got a bunch of big ones.
Nathan Abraham says, I love you, Lauren and Tim.
Two honest people in a world of dishonesty.
Never give up.
Never, never, never.
Those words seem to matter just as much today as it did 75 years ago.
Peace and love to all patriots on any side.
Peace and free speech without repercussion.
Thomas Sloat says, Trump said that the government will cover the cost of each COVID death.
That is the incentive for every hospital and insurance company to claim more COVID deaths.
Then why would he do it?
unidentified
That's weird.
tim pool
Randy says, when things go back to normal, would you be interested in doing a docentry-esque video?
Documentary, or is it?
On the HEMA community.
unidentified
What is that?
I don't know what that is.
tim pool
One easy place to get footage is the Lafayette Historical Fencing Academy.
I don't know what that is.
unidentified
I will have to look at it.
tim pool
Yes.
Christopher Scott says, keep up the great work with Stay on the Truth with No Spin.
Honestly, you should have a podcast.
I'll think about it.
Jamie Roll says, thank you for the excellent work, Tim.
Have you taken time out of your 16-hour workday to train with your pew-pew?
I have not, unfortunately.
So there's a... Here we go.
Darren says, awesome seeing Lauren on here.
Please get matte, blonde, and stick snacks.
lauren chen
Oh, love matte and blonde, especially.
tim pool
They're great.
Yeah, we want to.
That'd be awesome.
ian crossland
Hey, regarding your pew-pew, you have been training with the bow.
tim pool
Oh yeah, definitely.
That's fun.
ian crossland
He's been going back and forth, like moving, shooting at it.
We've got these targets out in the backyard.
tim pool
Yeah, so we've got targets, and I've got a compound bow, and I think I'm doing it all wrong for sure, because I have no idea what I'm doing.
lauren chen
I took an archery class in college.
It was one of the gym electives, and it was amazing.
It was really easy, but I found out I have no back muscles.
unidentified
I don't think it's 60.
lauren chen
I think I've set it lower than that for sure to like 40 or 50.
It's probably like 50.
I don't know.
Apparently I've never used those muscles in my life, but we were just using recurve bows, but it's a good skill to have
tim pool
so I Have I've been using a compound bow and I think the draw
weight is like 60 pounds would not be able to I could I don't think it's 60. I think I think I've set it lower
than that for sure to like 40 or 50 It's probably like 50. I don't know maybe not but uh
So I've been like walking elevated and I've been moving and firing and I've actually been getting I don't want to put
out like I'm like hitting bullseyes or anything, but I'm I'm hitting the
target and And I've been... it's just fun.
I just walk out on the deck, and I've got all these targets set up, and then I just fire.
The other day I was really proud because I hit six bullseyes in a row.
So, but, but, uh, yeah, I told you this.
Yeah.
So we've got one on top and then two on the bottom.
And so what I did was, each box has top-right, top-left, middle, and bottom-right.
And I went top-right, top-left, center.
Top-right, top-left, center.
And then I started getting tired of missing.
But I got those six, hit them perfectly, and I was like, yes!
And then I started getting tired of it.
ian crossland
Were you shooting like a hundred feet or something?
tim pool
I don't know how far it is.
Is that how far we have set up?
unidentified
Seems like it.
tim pool
I don't know how far it is.
They're pretty far.
Yeah.
It's not, it's not.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe it's farther than I realize.
Adam brought gloves.
tim pool
Oh, right on.
Somebody fired a broadhead at our targets.
And I don't know who did it.
ian crossland
Other than you?
tim pool
It must have been Adam.
I know, and it's like...
I'm fired.
I did it too, but it's gonna chop up the targets.
You're not supposed to.
But it was a spiral one.
It's really cool.
It spins, you know.
Anyway, yeah, so not training with the guns.
But I guess we can.
You know, we're on hunting ground, so we actually are able to.
We have, like, I mentioned this before, I called it a sniper tower, and then, like, hunters messaged me, they're laughing, because it's just like, what is it called?
Like a deer blind, I guess?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, blind.
tim pool
But it's, like, elevated, and then we actually have another, like, hunting shack, deer blind, I guess.
You can go inside, and they have, like, you know, you can stick your gun out, so we're on ground.
There's, like, gunshots going off all the time, people just shooting.
Yeah.
Alright, let's see.
Where are we at?
Let's grab some here superchats.
The Civic Nationalist says, as a Briton, the Queen has absolute power.
She delegates her powers to Parliament.
Most British people don't care if the Queen steps in.
Some have been calling for it.
If the Queen wants to, she can assume direct control.
God save the Queen.
I think she should.
ian crossland
I think that's a terrible idea.
I hate the monarchy.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Why?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Why would you ever want to cede power to an individual?
tim pool
That's a good point, you know, and it could be a slippery slope of, you know, they're moving away from the monarch, having a lot of that control, but considering that, I don't know, they arrested Count Dankula for making a joke, I'd kind of like to see them say, hey man, jokes and free speech are allowed, but it's probably never gonna happen.
lauren chen
Yeah, I mean, I think if the queen were to step in in order to protect and enforce civil rights, people would probably support it, right?
It depends.
I mean, if she was, like, seizing power to install some sort of oppressive system, it'd be different, but if she was doing it for the right reasons, I think people would support it.
tim pool
Yeah.
I laughed out loud.
Yeah, I did see.
I saw him tweet about, like, or post about coming back.
I didn't know what it was in reference to, though.
when the market recovers.
That was amazing.
unidentified
I laughed out loud.
tim pool
So did you see any of this stuff?
lauren chen
Yeah, I did see, I saw him tweet about like, or a post about coming back.
I didn't know what it was in reference to though.
I was like, hmm.
tim pool
I can't believe he's like, you'll be back.
Well, you better come back.
It's like no dude.
lauren chen
They left your state your state's busted Okay, like all of these governor's begging people to come back like Cuomo's done it too.
Yeah, California.
unidentified
I'm sure is not far behind I love how Cuomo was like, please rich people don't leave.
tim pool
We need your money.
And then Bill de Blasio was like, good riddance.
I thought it was hilarious.
unidentified
Such teamwork.
tim pool
It's really funny now that New Yorkers are fleeing, mostly the wealthy.
So the tax base is eroding because it's actually, you mentioned net taxpayers earlier.
People don't realize the net taxpayers are actually like the top 10% of the country.
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
A lot of people don't know that it is the top 10% that pay the vast, vast majority of the taxes.
I mean, a lot of people are under the assumption that, like, they hear stuff about the Trump story and they're like, oh, teachers pay more.
Like, no.
tim pool
What they don't realize is that there was a, I was reading, I was reading a study and I don't have it pulled up, so fact check me.
But it was basically saying that all of the net benefits a citizen receives, you'd have to pay something like $100,000 in taxes per year to actually break even.
Because the roads, services, clean water, services in terms of the fire department, the police department, then you have health inspection, all of these things, your taxes don't cover on average.
It's the rich people paying that covers the excess.
So that's net taxpayer.
ian crossland
And then is it the very top percent or half percent or quarter percent that doesn't pay anything or something?
lauren chen
No, I mean, I've not seen anything like that.
Are we talking about income tax?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Trump paid $750 a year because he's writing off losses.
tim pool
That's not true, though.
ian crossland
He's writing off losses.
tim pool
He paid $5.2 million in 2020.
ian crossland
But he overpaid $5.1994 of it.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
So he only owed $750.
Because he lost $500,000.
tim pool
Right, because he wrote off losses.
lauren chen
But do you think people who have net losses should have to pay income tax?
ian crossland
No, but that's just the way this... I mean, legally, no, but... I mean, but like morally?
Realistically?
I don't know.
tim pool
The problem is, I see here, is that Trump lives like a king, but he loses hundreds of millions of dollars.
So it's like this paradox of he's losing money, but he still has more money than you.
You know what I mean?
So it's like a weird situation.
lauren chen
Yeah, because like the way the income tax works, it's how much money you've lost or made per that year.
It's not a wealth tax.
So he could still have a lot of money from previous years or ventures, but if he lost money that year, he's not going to pay.
tim pool
Well, what I mean is that he made $447 million in revenue, and then his expenses were $500 and something.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
So when that revenue comes in, it's a weird circumstance.
The losses aren't hard, like it's depreciation.
So he does make millions of dollars.
His losses are a combination of actual hard expenses and depreciation of property.
I don't know what the solution is, though.
Simply because Trump's on top, you're looking at an extreme case, so where they're like, Trump should be paying more in taxes, and it's like, but if you change the rules for him, it affects you.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
So it's like, the only issue I guess is that Trump has too much.
That's their problem.
lauren chen
Right, but I mean, when it comes to the New York Times report at least, they did mention that he did pay, like, you know, the payroll tax and all these other types of taxes.
So it's not that he's not paying anything save $750.
Like, that's still not the case.
tim pool
Yeah, and that's what's funny, too, is when they say he didn't pay any taxes, it's like, you're talking about income tax, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because when it comes to all other taxes, property, payroll, Medicare, all that stuff, all the limits, he pays everything.
Same thing is true with Amazon.
They're like, Amazon paid no taxes.
Actually, they paid like billions.
lauren chen
Corporate income tax they didn't though, but they're also one of those companies that actually they're net losing It wasn't that the thing it's a combination of losses plus the R&D write-offs that they do, right?
ian crossland
The company loses but the CEO is worth a hundred and sixty billion or something, you know, this company loses money So he doesn't have to pay income tax No, Jeff Bezos pays income tax.
tim pool
His salary is only $83,000 a year.
ian crossland
So he pays income tax on that.
tim pool
And then he has bonuses that total up to like a net value of like a million bucks.
lauren chen
Yeah, and a lot of his worth is the amount of the value of Amazon shares that he has.
So that's not something, it's not like he has, you know, billions of dollars under his mattress.
It's not liquid at all.
Yeah, it's not liquid.
tim pool
So that's why wealth taxes don't make sense.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
Because you can't tax a hard asset.
It's paper value.
So he's worth all this, he can't sell until contract conditions are met, and then he gets a payout of a certain amount of money.
So they want to tax him on these assets that you can't do anything with.
ian crossland
So if he was to sell, then he would have to pay taxes on the sale?
tim pool
He can't sell them.
ian crossland
Like if he had sold some of his stock?
tim pool
He can't.
ian crossland
Oh, he's not allowed?
tim pool
And pay taxes on the sale.
unidentified
But not before.
tim pool
The way it works, I think, for Amazon is that under certain conditions they allow him to sell.
So like, when a certain target is reached, then he was able to like,
sell off a certain amount in exchange for a certain amount.
ian crossland
And pay taxes on the sale.
tim pool
And then pay taxes on the income that comes through and stuff like that.
ian crossland
It's a system built by rich people for rich people.
tim pool
I definitely think so, for sure, yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's why the Gravel Institute... I will say this about the Gravel people, is that I don't like that they try to be so mean, you know?
And I can say that's true for a lot of conservatives, too.
If you want to argue against PragerU... You saw what they're doing, right?
lauren chen
Oh yeah, we did a video on it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
lauren chen
Yeah, they got H. John Benjamin, which... Right, right, right.
unidentified
Sad.
tim pool
So they're like, we're going to counter PragerU, but they say like, PragerU is lying.
And it's, it's lies.
And then they insult them.
And I'm like, you don't need to do that.
You don't need that.
That's, that's Sully's your brand.
Just make your videos rebutting and giving your argument because they put out a video that said, is big government really the problem?
I thought it was a great video.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
They, they, they fudged a lot of the numbers there.
tim pool
For sure, I disagree with a lot of their premise, but I like that they said Democrats and Republicans don't work for you, they're working for the ultra-elites and the rich people, and then they give you their argument, and then you can say, I agree or I disagree, but as long as we all agree that the crony establishment politicians don't actually care about any of us, we're making good ground.
lauren chen
But actually, you know who doesn't apparently agree with that is Soledad O'Brien.
So she's a reporter that I used to think was like really, you know, unbiased and fair, but she's got TDS now.
And did you guys see Chris Rock's opening monologue for Saturday Night Live?
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
Well, he went on this whole spiel about how he wants term limits because he kind of says like, we rejected kings in America, but we have this class of dukes and duchesses ruling over us, which I'm like, yeah, I agree with that.
Term limits and stuff like that.
And Soledad O'Brien is just like, no, this is like, just no.
Like, what is the non-swamp establishment reason for opposing term limits?
tim pool
You lose Rand Paul.
lauren chen
Yeah, that's the only thing.
tim pool
But you'd lose a lot of other people, and I think the gains... The other issue is that seniority in Congress determines a lot of what you can and can't do.
So if we had term limits, you'd have a whole bunch of inexperienced people randomly being in charge of committees and not understanding how they work.
lauren chen
Well, you'd be assuming that they would all be kind of coming and leaving at the same time, which isn't necessarily the case, right?
So if you have, let's say, I get five election cycle limit in Congress
So that'd be like I don't know ten years in the house That's still I think enough seniority to be able to manage
unidentified
a committee Yeah, I guess that I guess that it's a bigger issue of what
lauren chen
how many terms yeah, so which is which is something That was definitely up for debate, but I mean to just say
no 3050 years in you're like totally fine on
Don't see any problem with that.
tim pool
Maybe something I haven't heard proposed before is longer terms and hard limits.
So like instead of saying five terms for 10 years, we say two terms for 10 years.
lauren chen
So that's kind of like what the Senate is doing.
tim pool
I guess that's why we have it different.
But the problem is fundraising, and that's the big problem with all of these politicians.
All they care about is who's gonna pay the bills to get them elected.
And that's why they don't care about regular people.
So one of the things Gravel Institute brought up is that There's actually a study that shows this.
Regular people have zero impact on policy.
It's only the wealthy industry and individuals and lobbyists who actually can sway politicians' opinions.
So they found, like, the polling of public opinion had no effect on whether or not a politician would support or oppose a certain bill.
That's messed up to me.
ian crossland
This is great.
Mike Gravel is the guy who came up with that national initiative.
This guy, that's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the Gravel people are cool.
I just wish they would... I don't agree with everything they say.
I just wish they weren't... I wish they were taking the higher road and not doing the snarky, insulting, you know.
lauren chen
I mean, I guess you're... I think so far the only full video they have is by Brianna Joy Gray, who is a former Bernie person.
But, I mean, in that video arguing for big government, they fudge a lot of the numbers.
unidentified
For sure.
lauren chen
Yeah, which is like... My point is just like, But that video was, I didn't find it, it's not disrespectful or anything, it's very respectable in terms of, yeah.
tim pool
And that's why I'm like, good, good, make your arguments and do it in a way where you're like, hey, here's what we think, no beef.
And I'll be like, right on, man, let me go through this and see what I agree with.
But, you know, because we have too much on Twitter is just, I hate you, you hate me.
lauren chen
F you.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
I really like your idea of longer terms and like two of them, because then they're not going to spend the whole two years fundraising.
lauren chen
Trying to campaign.
tim pool
But the senators are six years, right?
lauren chen
Yeah, six years for senators, two years for representatives, four for president, lifetime for Supreme Court.
tim pool
We got, we got a question for you from a Canadian, from Gabriel Rybj, Rybj?
Sorry, I'm probably not pronouncing your name right.
He says, Hey, Lauren, as a fellow Canadian, I was wondering what you thought of Trudeau's gun ban of May 1st, 2020.
I was part of the CCFR's rally on September 12th, protesting against the order in council.
We had easily 5,000 people or more.
CBC said we were only 800.
Classic media spin tactics.
lauren chen
Yeah, I mean, the gun laws in Canada are disgusting.
The self-defense or lack of self-defense laws in Canada are disgusting.
The CBC is disgusting.
We have state-funded media in Canada who, surprise, surprise, are very in favor and biased toward the party that wants to give them a lot of funding.
tim pool
Yeah, there we go.
That's what we were just talking about.
lauren chen
Very swampy, very gross.
tim pool
Let's see, Swork Witch says, The movie was made by someone who in interview said she
wouldn't read the book.
Oh, Starship Troopers.
Because it's fascist.
And set up to make a movie mocking and denouncing the book.
In the book, service was not only military.
Military tiny.
Just dangerous, so has no meaning.
Interesting.
ian crossland
Can you read that again?
Someone said it was fascist?
tim pool
Yeah, the person who made the movie said the book was fascist.
ian crossland
Interesting.
That's where I got that from.
lauren chen
Right.
unidentified
Without reading it.
tim pool
That's why in the movie... I've never read the book, no.
What's Doogie Howser's name?
Neil Patrick Harris?
Is that it?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
His outfit looks like... He hates it when people call him Doogie Howser.
unidentified
Carl.
lauren chen
I think he's Carl in the movie.
I love that movie.
tim pool
But they make his uniform look like a Nazi uniform.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
It's so dumb.
ian crossland
Yeah, they really make the fascism stand out in that movie.
tim pool
Jason Freeland says anyone could demand service in the book, even disabled.
The government had to come up with something that you could do to allow you to serve.
Wow!
ian crossland
When you guys say service gives citizenship, do you mean service lets you vote or service lets you become an American citizen?
tim pool
So there were civilians and there were citizens.
Civilians had all rights but didn't vote and citizens voted.
ian crossland
So everyone's born a civilian and you can become a citizen?
lauren chen
Yeah, you have to earn the right to vote.
tim pool
I believe so.
Seamus Mowlane says, I'm probably pronouncing your last name wrong.
In the book Starship Trooper, citizenship could be gotten via non-military service.
However, they made it suck because you were supposed to show a willing to sacrifice for the group benefit versus yourself.
Interesting.
So, someone else says, any federal service equals citizenship, but only after service was completed.
That way, only those who demonstrated willingness to sacrifice for good of others would be given the right to vote.
That's really cool.
I like that idea.
Politically Defiant says, Hey Tim, Lauren, Ian, Lydia, thank you for everything you guys do.
You're all GOATS.
Shout out to the parental units for reaching their goals of retirement before 60 and 34 year wedding anniversary today.
Love you lots.
lauren chen
That's great.
ian crossland
That's huge.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
lauren chen
Actually Liam and my four year is coming up this week.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
You guys doing anything?
lauren chen
Actually, they just closed restaurants where we live.
unidentified
Oh, congratulations!
lauren chen
So, no.
I mean, we might have a nice evening of Netflix and takeout.
ian crossland
It's so crazy that they're escalating it.
lauren chen
Yeah.
And actually, I might also have to work.
But it's funny, like, he told me I was eating a muffin maliciously the other day.
tim pool
Maliciously?
lauren chen
Maliciously.
ian crossland
Like, looking at him, like, tearing into it?
lauren chen
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
So, I don't know what that's about.
But yeah, four years.
unidentified
Yeah, good times.
tim pool
Nice work.
Sean Carter says, just want to say hi, Tim and crew.
I listened to many of your videos and appreciate your views.
I moved deep into the Appalachian mountains.
Best thing ever.
Guns, ammo, food, and big dogs.
That sounds awesome.
ian crossland
What kind of big dogs?
tim pool
Dogs are great.
Let's see.
Bacolic Buffalo says, Robert Barnes explained Trump taxes he paid through the year and his balance was $7.50.
Interesting.
Let's see, uh, Jalyn Goliday says, can we get a fourth channel Tim Guns?
I don't know, don't ask me to name it.
Uh, we're gonna be, we're doing a vlog.
We're gonna be doing the vlog.
ian crossland
Yeah!
tim pool
For that, so.
ian crossland
We were just talking about today.
tim pool
Yeah, there will be guns involved.
ian crossland
Man, I'm excited for that channel.
tim pool
We just got a 20 foot inflatable projector screen.
That you just like, you turn the pump on and then it fills up.
And then you like, put like, stakes in the ground.
And then you put it outside.
And we can watch like, movie theater, so.
So the movie theaters are all going out of business, you know, Regal announced they're like shutting all stores, AMC is suing Jersey, and so we're gonna have our own 20-foot screen, 4k, you know, and we're gonna watch movies, I guess.
ian crossland
The future is now.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, I think we're, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, um, assuming the lockdown doesn't, you know, come for us, whatever, because you can't have parties, I guess.
All right, let's see.
Level 99 Mastermind says, to what extent should the media be held responsible for what they do?
They are definitely playing a serious role in pushing large swaths of people over the edge to the point of mass civil unrest through deliberate disinformation.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
First amendment, man?
unidentified
I don't know.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, I don't like the idea of Prosecuting journalists is not a good look.
But I mean, let's take the Nick Sandman case for instance.
I think that's a better way to hold journalists accountable.
Like, if you can demonstrably prove that, you know, so-and-so person committed libel or slander, I think there's grounds for civil recourse and then hopefully the financial incentive will be there for them to not randomly label people like white nationalists.
tim pool
The issue, I think, is that we have this ruling called Times v. Sullivan where it's basically You have to prove when it comes to public figures that they actually knew they were lying.
And the challenge then is there's also anti-SLAPP laws, strategic lawsuits against public participation.
So what happens is, New York Times will say, you know, Lauren Chen is a Nazi or something.
And you'll say, that's not true.
They'll first go, it's an opinion.
And then dismissed.
Anti-slap.
Knock it down.
lauren chen
Well, for the Nick Sandman thing, I mean, they were saying that he had, for example, done things that he hadn't.
Like he had approached the guy or whatever.
And that's not an opinion thing.
tim pool
That's a fact.
So most of the claims made by Sandman were dropped, except for the outlet said that he blocked his path.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
And so the judge ruled, well, that's a statement of fact.
And so the challenge then, because they've determined there is a false statement of fact,
it could potentially go to discovery, where these news outlets then have to produce emails
and correspondence between their employees as to what they were talking about, so that Sandman and
his lawyers can determine whether or not they knew what they were saying was false. They immediately
settled. You know why? Their credibility. I've...
I've been in these chat rooms with journalists like this.
The things they say, if you only knew.
Of course they have opinions.
Of course they're all far-left activists.
Okay, not every single one of them, but a lot of them in these chat rooms.
And the ones who aren't probably don't say anything out of fear of being ostracized or fired or whatever.
So could you imagine if the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN, and these news outlets had their internal Slack logs released?
Because they were like, we never knew.
Then we would see they were all really dumb.
unidentified
Yeah, they'd be released in Discovery and they'd be exposed.
tim pool
Well, it would go to the lawyers, and then to what extent they could release it, I don't know, but they'd probably start talking about it.
ian crossland
Sounds like James O'Keefe has another... Another project, yeah.
What do you guys think about the phenomena of news organizations releasing a story, getting ad revenue on it, and then having to make a retraction, but not... The retraction also gets ad revenue.
lauren chen
And no one sees the retraction.
Like, I've seen stuff like that.
The original story, like 100,000 likes, whatever.
Correction, 4,000 likes.
tim pool
That's not the issue, though.
That is an issue.
lauren chen
They're still making money off of it.
tim pool
Exactly.
They make money on the fake article, and then when they apologize, they make money on the apology.
ian crossland
So how would we rectify something like that?
Hold the ad revenue from news organizations?
No, you can't.
tim pool
They have a First Amendment right to say whatever they want.
Well, within certain confines.
You can't incite violence.
But you can lie.
You can't lie about someone, but I could make a post all day saying the sky is red.
ian crossland
Don't at me.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
So, you know, if lying was not protected, then you'd have no satire articles.
Because it's meant to be jokes, but whether or not someone believes it is a different story.
So we got this really great super chat.
lauren chen
Wait, hang on, what was, in terms of like the whole, like, oh, this is an opinion, what, who was it, Majid Nawaz, didn't he win a huge settlement from the Southern Poverty?
tim pool
Well, they made a ton of crazy statements about him, so it's like... But I think that he should have got that, like you can't... Oh, yeah, totally, he won like, what, $3 million or almost $4 million?
Yeah, something like that.
Yup.
And then they fired all their, you know, executive structure at the SPLC.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Man, they they once SPLC once claimed that I went to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference, huh?
And the best part was I've never been to Iran But their source was not that a website.
It was a Holocaust denier conspiracy theory website and But the best part was, it wasn't just that it was a website, but the website itself had been deleted, and they found an archived version of it to use as their source to claim, I had personally traveled to Iran for a holocaust.
I'm just like, wow.
That's dedication.
At least the Moonland hoax people actually look at real photographs and say, here's what I think about this photograph.
They straight up went to a conspiracy theorist website that didn't even exist anymore.
ian crossland
Did you sue?
tim pool
So they also defamed several other people.
And it resulted in an immediate retraction and apology, like within a couple days.
So they smeared a bunch of lefties as like right-wing, far-right, or alt-right.
And then you immediately had, like these people are just obviously left-wing, like some of these people that were getting smeared.
And then they issued this big apology.
They were like, Oh, we were just trying to say that there are certain elements of the left that share the same ideology as the right, and we're so sorry, and they weasel worded their way out of it.
But they issued a direct apology to me and said I was left-wing.
Isn't that funny?
They had to say I was left-wing.
I love that.
Because they went nuts.
So I'm like, whenever someone tries claiming I'm right-wing, I'm like, oh, the SPLC said I was left-wing.
They did.
And they're the source, right?
All right, here we go.
Top Dog says, this may have been the best episode I've seen so far.
Lauren is engaged, smart, and quick-witted.
Please have her on more often.
Yes.
Um, but you have your own show.
What's your, what's your YouTube?
lauren chen
Yes, it is Pseudo Intellectual with Lauren Chen is the show.
Because I am Lauren Chen.
Uh, the YouTube channel is Lauren Chen.
We, we publish everything on there.
We're also on Blaze TV, but you can find all of our stuff on YouTube.
And like I was saying, the audio only platforms are what we're trying to push now.
A little bit more reliable.
iTunes, Spotify, Google Play.
unidentified
Yup.
Yup.
tim pool
Well, with that being said, it is now 20 minutes past.
ian crossland
Before anything, I wanted to, along the lines of how cool Lauren is, she brought us some soap, and I wanted to shout it out.
It's called Clearly Pure.
tim pool
What are you trying to say about us, Lauren?
lauren chen
Yeah, I'm saying that you need soap.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
She bought, uh, these are three different kinds.
tim pool
And she gave it to Ian specifically.
lauren chen
No, I gave it to all of you!
tim pool
First, the Kissing Bit.
ian crossland
Guinness Birch.
Is that what this is?
lauren chen
Yeah, it's made with actual Guinness, which my dad and fiancé say is a very big waste, but the hops is actually pretty good.
ian crossland
I love it.
It smells amazing.
This looks like, what is this, a turmeric and nettle cleanse?
tim pool
That sounds like it's right up your alley.
ian crossland
Yeah, I love turmeric.
I put it in my coffee.
And a salt.
Is that what that says?
Tough on germs.
This is lemongrass, tea tree, and eucalyptus.
lauren chen
Yeah, Liam actually was the brains behind that soap because he wanted something for, he does MMA, and they use a special soap to prevent against staph infections.
unidentified
Oh, smart.
lauren chen
So we made a natural equivalent with essential oils and stuff.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Wait, you made that?
lauren chen
Oh, when I say I do the graphic design for that, my mom is the one who makes all the products.
Yeah, we have a family business.
tim pool
So sweet!
ian crossland
Can people get this?
lauren chen
Yeah, they can get it online.
And actually, like, my dad's been having health issues, so Liam's been such a sweetie.
He was actually, like, at the market with me selling last weekend.
ian crossland
Wow, what's the website?
lauren chen
ClearlyPure.com.
ian crossland
Thank you so much.
tim pool
Is it spelled P-U-R?
lauren chen
Yeah, P-U-R because it's trendy and millennial.
unidentified
Just like you.
tim pool
I didn't realize we'd shout out your own soap company, but that's really awesome.
Sweet!
Well, to everybody who hung out, make sure you smash that like button on the way out.
Don't forget to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at Timcast.
And, uh, we actually have audio-only versions of this show, too.
I never shout it out, but, you know, now that you reminded me.
So, uh, this show is available on iTunes, on Spotify, and all the other places.
But you can also follow my other channels, YouTube.com slash Timcast and slash Timcast News.
Two different channels.
And you can also, uh, also, of course, follow at Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Yes, follow me on YouTube.
I just started, I made another video, a behind-the-scenes video of my rig, my gaming rig downstairs.
And you can follow me on Twitter.
tim pool
You need to play some goose game?
Streaming goose?
ian crossland
I don't think so.
I want to play it.
It's just not hot action enough.
tim pool
No, it's the best.
You're a goose and you're running from a dude because you like stole his keys and he like trips and falls.
It's amazing.
ian crossland
It is pretty funny looking.
tim pool
Yeah.
And also you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
unidentified
Yes, you can.
I'm over here.
Sour Patch Lids on Twitter.
tim pool
And that's with an L-Y-D-S.
That's my name.
So, yeah, we do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m.
So, what's today?
Monday.
We'll have clips up throughout the day tomorrow.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
We have another awesome guest coming tomorrow.
We're gonna have a lot of really cool conversations with some people.
We're gonna have a big week.
It's gonna be pretty crazy.
We might get in trouble with some of the people we're bringing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Spicy.
It's gonna get spicy.
I'm excited.
But I'm no longer gonna be announcing because we've had, like, cancellations and it's a huge letdown.
lauren chen
Wait, oh.
Oh, not that they were like, goaded into canceling or bullied.
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Like, oh, I missed my flight.
I can't come.
And I'm like, oh, yeah.
So we'll probably just, yeah.
COVID's been really making it difficult.
Anyway, everybody, thank you all so much for hanging out.
This was, this was a really, really awesome, awesome show.
Lauren, thanks so much for, for hanging out as well.
lauren chen
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
And guys, like, they are the best hosts.
Like, they picked me up at the airport.
I mean, they're so nice.
Usually people, if I'm, like, going on a show or something, it's like, have fun with your Uber and, like, your hotel, like, we'll just catch you during the thing.
But, like, you guys are so hospitable.
tim pool
I really appreciate it.
That's one thing I don't like, where it's like, when I've been booked for shows, they'll be like, here's your flight.
And then I have no communication with any of the people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it's like, you just show up.
The day of, a car pulls up to the hotel and they're like, we're taking you.
I'm like, where?
lauren chen
Where, when, what's going on?
tim pool
Should I just get in his car?
And then they drop you off at the studio.
I'm like, where's the door to get in?
And then you figure it out, you know.
But anyway, hey, thanks for hanging out.
And yeah, well, you're always welcome.
So to everybody else, smash the like button on your way out.
Subscribe, notification, all the good stuff.
And we will see you tomorrow at 8 p.m.
unidentified
live.
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