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Sept. 30, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Debate Commission Changes Rules After Trump Dominates Debate, Jack Murphy Guests
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tim pool
you I would like you I would like you all to imagine for just
one second Joe Biden he sits down with Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping and they're
negotiating very important military logistics
There's a rising tension and dispute.
Vladimir Putin gets angry and he starts yelling at Joe Biden, and Joe Biden goes, hold on, hold on, come on, man.
Can we get the moderator to change the rules here?
This is not fair.
Vladimir Putin won't stop.
Will you shut up, man?
And then the moderators walk in and say, Vladimir, we're changing the rules because you're talking over Joe Biden.
And then, you know, Xi Jinping is outraged.
He's like, I demand a rule change too.
And then they're like, they're going to change the rules.
And now Joe Biden's shaking hands with the moderator of international disputes.
That's never going to happen.
It's never, never going to happen.
Yet still, because people think that the debate with Donald Trump and Joe Biden was a S-show, as Dana Bash called it, the commission on the debates is actually changing the rules.
And as far as I'm concerned, if Joe Biden can't handle himself with Donald Trump, then he shouldn't be president, because he's going to deal with way nastier people.
But that's what Joe Biden wants, and if the American people think that we should have a president who needs rules to protect him from bullies, well, that's what the American people are gonna get.
So we're gonna be talking a lot about the debate tonight.
Thanks for joining the TeamCast IRL podcast.
We're hanging out with Ian, of course.
unidentified
Hello.
tim pool
That's Ian.
And Jack Murphy is guesting tonight.
He's hanging out.
jack murphy
Good to be here, Tim.
tim pool
Now, I think it's rad that you're here, actually, because you wrote the book, Democrats are Deplorable.
jack murphy
Democrats are Deplorable.
Why, nine million Obama voters ditched the Democrats and embraced Donald Trump in 2016.
tim pool
And you're still going to vote for Trump after that debate performance?
jack murphy
Well, you know, it was a mixed bag, but yes, of course, man.
tim pool
Yeah, there's a lot to talk about.
I think Trump's going to get some criticism, but I think the media is playing stupid, dirty games once again.
And of course, you know, we're hanging out with Lydia.
She's here.
She has a microphone now.
lydia smith
I do.
Look at this nonsense.
tim pool
Now she can make noise, we can hear it.
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We'll leave with this first story because this is the craziest thing.
Check this out.
From the Daily Mail, they say, debate commission promises rule change to make next showdown orderly after dumpster fire clash, which Biden admits was a national embarrassment.
But unrepentant Trump says it was fun.
I think that's all you need to know right there.
But there's a few more bullet points.
They say the commission on presidential debates has vowed to change the format of the next
candidate clash.
Last night's debate made clear that additional structure should be added to ensure a more
orderly discussion on the issues, the commission said.
The verdict came down after changes called for in wake of Caddoc night.
Joe Biden called it a national embarrassment.
The morning after the debate, Trump called the event fun, claiming he actually was debating
Biden and Fox News moderator Chris Wallace.
Two one one was not surprising, but fun Trump tweeted radical left is dumping sleepy Joe
zero Democrat enthusiasm, weak leadership.
A general consensus was reached.
The debate was a dumpster fire.
Most claim neither candidate came out on the other side looking good.
I'll tell you this.
The The point I was making when we opened the show, for those that may have missed the context there, Donald Trump's having a good time just talking over everyone and dominating everything.
He's loving it.
That's his environment.
Joe Biden needs help?
How is he going to negotiate anything for us?
Or, I don't know.
What?
ian crossland
He's a terrible negotiator.
He's got a low diplomacy skill.
tim pool
Is that, where's that come from?
ian crossland
Biden?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm just listening to him.
He's, he's, he's old.
He's, he's, he's dry.
He's tired.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And he's, and he's just, you know, a lot of people were saying, I don't know if you guys saw that point where Biden said, would you shut up, man?
You know that point?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A lot of people like cheering for that, but I'm like, that wasn't like, you know, Donald Trump, when he's doing the WWE style thing and he's like, you know, hooting at the crowd and flexing.
He's high energy when he's shutting people down.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
No, no.
Joe Biden goes, would you shut up, man?
That was defeated.
jack murphy
Yeah.
One thing for sure that Trump energy, he overwhelmed the stage, the television, the broadcast America, his energy was 10 X everybody last night.
And that's been something that he's been pushing all along, right?
High energy, aggressive in your face, creating drama, making things interesting.
You know, that's why, that's why it's sleepy Joe.
And Trump is the man at this point.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump, he's spry.
jack murphy
Okay, so you remember when Obama came into office, no greys, looking young?
Eight years later, he looks like an old man.
tim pool
He looks like some energy vampire latched onto him and drained him.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
But has Trump degraded in any way physically over four years?
In fact, it seems to me like his energy is picking up more.
unidentified
He's gotten bigger and like his hair is growing larger.
tim pool
Oh, no.
Oh, yeah.
No, I think I think Trump's calmed down in a certain respect.
But he's actually like last night was probably the most riled up I've seen him.
Like he was just going off.
Yeah, he was debating Chris Wallace and Joe Biden at the same time.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And it was clearly a strategy, right?
Like they didn't, he didn't ease into that.
Like Trump didn't ease into his aggression.
Did you notice he didn't open with the typical opening?
Usually they ask you a question and then you say, thank you everybody for having me here.
Thanks to everybody at the university.
Thanks to the ushers and my wife and blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Joe Biden tried.
take like 90 seconds saying thank you to everybody and then they get into the
question.
Trump just started off attacking, just came out swinging.
Didn't even say thank you.
tim pool
Joe Biden tried.
unidentified
He did.
tim pool
He was like, I just want to thank you.
It was funny when he walked down, he looks at Trump and he's like, you know,
whatever, like, ah, I'm Joe Biden, whatever.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah.
Joe Biden.
It seems like he didn't know if he was going to play it WWE style.
Like, you know, like smack talking in the ring or if he was going to try and have
a, a traditional establishment debate.
But then Joe Biden just jumped in into the muck with Trump.
And you know, the main issue I see is you can't win that fight.
jack murphy
Definitely not.
What's the phrase?
Like, don't fight with the pig, they'll drag you into the mud.
tim pool
Yeah, you lie with dogs, you get fleas.
So Donald Trump, that's like, You know, man, they don't know how to deal with this guy.
Donald Trump comes out.
He's in the WWE Hall of Fame, isn't he?
jack murphy
He's been a big part of it.
He's made guest appearances.
They love him.
And they love him in the MMA world, too.
So he knows about this showmanship.
tim pool
Well, I mean, for like wrestling entertainment, it really is about putting on that big spectacle and catching the attention of the crowd.
I think We have all the polls saying that Joe Biden won.
You know, like 9 out of 10 or whatever polls.
Some ridiculous number.
There's that one Telemundo poll saying Spanish speakers think Trump won, 66 to 33.
That's crazy.
And there were a few other polls, like C-SPAN did a non-scientific Twitter poll and people are propping that up.
I think Trump won.
And I know it's probably... I'll tell you this.
It's probably... I don't know if cliché is the right word.
Oh, of course Tim's gonna say Trump won because, you know, they're gonna be like, the maggots will just say Trump won no matter what.
It's like, dude, I got a lot to say about how Trump screwed up in a lot of ways.
But that's why I opened with, imagine Joe Biden trying to have a conversation with Vladimir Putin.
No one's going to be there to hold him up.
So we can complain that we didn't get any substance.
I think that's partially true.
I think Donald Trump did have a bunch of really important issues he talked about.
When he went into mail-in voting, Joe Biden just sat there for like two minutes, just not saying a word.
And then he goes, there's no evidence for that.
It's like, that's not a response, Joe.
You can't just be like, that's not true.
You're dumb, you know?
jack murphy
I felt like Trump had a command of the facts like he had in the past, you know, before he was just coming out.
Like four years ago, you know, he wasn't president.
He didn't have programs.
He didn't have the experience.
But now it's like he knows everything that's going on.
Yeah.
And compared to Joe Biden, who even my son pointed out that Joe Biden would say, Well, you know, it was 20 million.
I mean, 20,000.
I mean, 20.
Every statistic that he tried to cite.
So if Biden wanted to do a clinical debate about policy issues, it seemed to me that Biden did not have the facts, the knowledge, or even maybe the preparation or the temperament or the energy or something.
But when he tried to do that, it wasn't working for him at all.
tim pool
Let me ask you something.
Jack's been on the show before, I'm sure you guys may have seen.
I think now it's like your third time.
Third time.
And you literally wrote the book on it, Democrat to Deplorable.
Has anyone else done what you've done, like traveling around asking people about all this stuff?
jack murphy
Uh, there was a woman that was doing some stuff like that, uh, back a few years ago and her book came out and it just came and went.
And my book continues to sell more and more every month as people are waking up, the Democrats are waking up to what's going on and they're embracing Donald Trump.
And they've had four years to have to figure out like all those things that, that drove people away in 2016, 10 times worse today.
tim pool
I had a conversation today that I think you, like, I'm surprised some of the people I know may be finally breaking off of the Biden Biden train.
But I bring this up because I want to ask you, on a scale of 1 to 10, in 2016, what level was your enthusiasm for Donald Trump, like just before election?
jack murphy
Uh, enthusiasm.
Like, did I want him to win?
Was I supporting him?
That was a 10, a 10.
Yeah.
I was all in, I was all in Trump.
Did I think he was going to win?
No.
And even in my book, I sat, I reflected about election night, sitting down with my girlfriend, Red Hen on Twitter and just being like, it's been a fun ride, babe, but I just don't think, I just don't think it's going to happen.
Yep.
And then when Wisconsin came in and then, I mean, man, then, then we just went bonkers.
tim pool
Man, that was such a fun night.
It was like Christmas and New Year's at the same time, and all the holidays rolled into
one.
And I'm not saying that as someone who voted for Trump, I'm saying it as somebody who was
watching just all these establishment, elitist pricks who are so—
so smug and sure of themselves. It's like, dude, I didn't vote for Trump, man. I didn't
vote for Hillary. I'm just sitting back, minding my own business, trying to have a
slice of pizza and a beer. And you guys wouldn't stop gloating and snooting about, sniffing
your own farts. To watch them fall down from the ivory tower was just hilarious. Comeuppance,
right? Indeed. So now we'll see what happens. And I got to say, I'm not, I'm not con, I'm
not convinced at this point with the amount of smears and the chaos that's been dropping
about Trump that he's on track for a victory.
But the reason I ask this question is, if you were at a 10 out of 10 in 2016, as of right now, with everything that's happened, where are you at for Trump?
jack murphy
Well, I'm a 10 out of 10 times 10 at this point in terms of support, right?
Like I see him as the only way out of this existential crisis that we're in.
Critical Race Theory, the Woke Walkers, the whole thing.
tim pool
Woke Walkers!
lydia smith
That's awesome.
jack murphy
Yeah, that's a good one.
That usually gets a good reaction.
The Woke Walkers.
And so, you know, my support for him is as high as it could be at this point now.
I go back and forth on whether or not I think he's actually going to win.
I feel like it's been building momentum.
I really do.
I don't think the debate helped sort of grow more enthusiasm, you know, or optimism on my part, but I have been feeling really good and I don't really, I look at the polls, I disregard them and it's just sort of a vibe, but you know, who knows at this point.
tim pool
I would say that I probably went down a little bit in terms of after the debate.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, even though he won, even though he won the it's not it's not to a point where I'm like, oh geez, I better not vote or I better vote for Biden.
Oh, I'm definitely gonna vote.
I'm definitely gonna vote for Trump.
But I was just like, there were you would think that When he was asked again about disavowing white supremacy, and I understand he's done it a billion times, but that was his moment to calmly and rationally just be like, yes, next question.
And then he could have pointed to Joe Biden and said, now will you disavow Antifa on the far left?
And Joe wouldn't have done it.
And that would have been a grand slam for Trump.
And he missed the cue.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
The question he was given though, like I think tripped him up.
Do you disavow white supremacy and militias?
tim pool
Exactly.
jack murphy
Right.
So like, there's a lot of people in militias.
There's a lot of people who aren't white supremacists who are in militias.
And there's a lot of people like that, that support Trump.
I can see in his brain maybe where he didn't want to just come out and say yes to that question, but he should have, like he does all the time, answer whatever question he wants.
And he had a moment there and he, he did miss it.
tim pool
So the way I phrased it earlier was like, I was probably at a 6 out of 10 and I'm like a 5.7.
Like it went down a little bit because I'm just like, Biden can't win.
ian crossland
When he said the Proud Boys should stand back and stand by, I think that was his ego, that he didn't want to capitulate to the moderator and just say stand down, because they're like, say stand down, say stand down, and he just wouldn't do it because of his ego.
tim pool
I think he misspoke.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe. No, I really do. I think he like this. Listen, this is not a defense of Trump.
If Trump just stopped for two seconds and you know, so Chris Wallace is like,
will you disavow white supremacists and the right wing? Let's just sure. It's like he jumped in
before Chris Wallace. If Trump just stopped for a second, like Chris Wallace, say the question,
then Trump could have calmly replied.
Instead, it was just people were yelling and it was chaos.
And it's partly because... Actually, I want to stop and preface this because you pointed out Biden's the one who broke the decorum first.
ian crossland
Two minutes, three minutes in, Biden violated the rules.
tim pool
And so then it just goes off the rails.
ian crossland
Chris Wallace should have said, stop, you do not interrupt.
You do that again, you're losing your time.
And he said nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So then Trump was like, oh, rules are off.
tim pool
Yeah. Well, Trump was waiting for it too.
But if Trump just slowed down and said, it's really, really simple.
If you ask me, will you disavow white supremacy and right-wing militias?
I'd say I disavow all white supremacist organizations.
In fact, Donald Trump announced that the Klan are going to be designated domestic terrorists.
So he's like, we just announced we're designating people as domestic terrorists.
Is that not good enough?
I think we've done pretty well there.
Now, as for any right-wing militia that is looking to start violence, don't do it.
These people need to stop.
By all means, you're free to speak your mind and you're free to be in your militia and you have all of your rights, but we need the violence to stop.
Now, Trump did say, I want peace.
I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm trying to say Trump is a failure or anything like that.
Like, oh, how dare he?
I'm saying he missed a cue on that one.
It was a great opportunity.
jack murphy
Yeah, and you pointed this out earlier when we were talking, where Chris Walls asked that question of him four years ago.
Yeah, you pointed that out.
And you were like, he had the same chance then.
He disavowed 100% right then.
He disavowed the KKK, disavowed Duke, disavowed everybody.
Maybe he's just getting tired of it.
I'm tired of it.
We're all tired of it.
That's a stupid question.
tim pool
And his first response was, sure.
And they're acting like he didn't say that.
He gave an affirmative, but weak response.
And the media, all of a sudden, every story, like, oh, Trump won't disavow.
And then this morning they asked him again, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They should stand down, let law enforcement get in there.
jack murphy
Well, let's think about this.
The media is going to say whatever they're going to say no matter what Trump says, right?
So does it make sense for him to just sort of answer the question however he wants rather than, you know, sort of give in to the demand of the moderator?
tim pool
That's a good point.
And you know what?
A lot of people have been saying, like, Chris Wallace couldn't handle it.
We need Joe Rogan.
And Joe Rogan said no.
And he was like, get the MMA broadcaster guy.
And then he was like, no way.
Nobody wants to touch it because it was just like a hot pile of, you know, trash.
But I'd love to.
I'd love to moderate.
You know why?
Because I just wouldn't do it.
Right.
I'd be like, 15 minutes on the clock.
The subject is COVID.
Ding!
Have at it, boys.
I'll be in the other room.
15 minutes, I'll come back in and I'll hit the buzzer again and we'll switch topics.
jack murphy
You know, what's going to be funny is when, if they do try doing the, the, the mic cutting, they're going to cut his mic.
So they're going to cut the mic, but Trump's going to be so loud that like, you're going to hear him come through on the other mic.
tim pool
It's going to be amazing.
ian crossland
They're going to want to put them in glass cages.
jack murphy
What they're going to need to do is put them in separate locations with somebody on a video mixer and just be able to cut the feed entirely.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I think this is insane that anyone would accept Joe Biden requiring a handicap to have a debate on issues.
Listen.
It's sales 101, man.
If people don't know about your product, they can't buy it.
If Donald Trump is the one who's saying words... We can look at all the debate polls, where they're like, well, actually, Joe Biden was the one who really came out with substance.
Yeah, no, that's not how it works.
I used to work for non-profits.
I used to do fundraising.
And I'll tell you this.
You know what got people to give me their money?
It wasn't me saying, let me cite this statistic.
Now, in 2017, we actually cut down 4.3 tons of carbon dioxide.
No, it was me triggering their emotions.
jack murphy
Ah, yes.
tim pool
That's it.
And one of the most important things in sales is always having a response to soothe their worries.
So when someone says to me, I'm scared.
This is one of the things they teach you when you're doing street canvassing for these non-profits.
You know those people who are like, howdy, would you like to talk about the environment?
jack murphy
No.
tim pool
Oh, but man, me and my buddies were like nation's best.
We could snap our fingers and have somebody in front of us signing up, handing over their credit card.
So here's, like, big mistakes.
People make.
If someone asks you a question, say, like, I'm nervous about voting for Donald Trump.
Do not give them 800 reasons.
You give them one simple one.
This.
Now when they say, yeah, but this, then this.
And you, you, whenever they give you a response showing you they're scared, you give them an answer.
If you can answer every question, they'll eventually cave and say, I'm not worried.
I have nothing else to ask you.
So that's one of the important things I'm bringing about Trump, specifically in reference to not that he was being asked a bunch of questions in succession by somebody who was questioning him, it was that he never shut up.
And what that means is people don't necessarily know what he's saying.
But they know he's saying something.
And I know that might sound shallow, but I was talking to a friend of mine who said, I got hit up this morning.
What's the Proud Boys, Tim?
And I said, they're a Western chauvinist group.
Are they racist?
And I was like, Uh, there's been some people in, but I think the organization as a whole, what they stand for is absolutely not.
Like, uh, their, their leader is a, is a black Cuban guy.
So I don't think that's, you know, of course the media will say it.
But anyway, the point is for somebody to message me saying, I don't know what that means right away.
I'm like, that part of the debate was completely meaningless to most people.
They're gonna be like, I don't know what a proud boy is.
What is that?
It's like, it's like, it's like an LGBT thing or something.
As if that's a bad thing.
Because that was like one of the jokes the left was doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like claiming, you know, that like the Proud Boys and they made like a rainbow website or whatever.
So I think...
jack murphy
As if that's a bad thing.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Right.
They thought the Proud Boys would be offended by it.
unidentified
I don't mind.
tim pool
I thought it was great.
I don't think you know anything about these guys.
Yeah.
You know, so there was a video that was going around.
jack murphy
Just made me think of old Gavin McGinnis clips.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
I can't believe some of the things that guy would do on camera.
So look, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine earlier who was like posting and talking about how Donald Trump is calling for his right wing militias to come and get ready.
And I was like, listen, the Proud Boys are a lot of things.
White supremacist is not one of them.
You can criticize them for a lot.
But they're not white supremacists.
That's like, that's ridiculous.
ian crossland
It does come from Gavin's inception, I think.
Do you see the Vic Berger, Rogan, Gavin McInnes clip that you did today?
I think came out this morning.
What is it?
It was Rogan said, you know, Gavin McInnes is mostly fun, fun guy.
And then Vic Berger was like, oh, glad he said that.
And then all these clips of Gavin being like, you find someone, choke him.
Grab him by the throat and choke him.
That's all fake.
Well, he was saying a lot.
It was just clip after clip after clip of Gavin.
tim pool
Some of those clips are Gavin talking about dogs.
ian crossland
That's a... Oh, are you kidding?
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
No, yeah.
tim pool
Specifically... No, you're not kidding.
One of the... So, one of the clips... You know what?
Fact check me on this one for sure.
But apparently... Because I don't watch Gavin's show.
When he was talking about choking a bee, he was literally talking about pulling a choke chain on a dog that was disobeying you.
Okay.
So... Look, dude.
There are a lot of people that will take everything out of context, manipulate, cut it, and they just run with it, and it works.
unidentified
It works.
jack murphy
So that's a good point.
Sorry.
That's a good point though.
They take everything out of context.
They run a clip.
They're going to say whatever they want.
So one of the things that people voted, one of the reasons people vote for Trump is because they want him to be a fighter.
They want him to attack the establishment.
They want him to attack the media.
So what we witnessed was Trump's manifestation of that energy, right?
He was just doing it.
Whether what he said was precise or had the right answer, the energy was there.
Right.
He was fighting Biden.
He was fighting the moderator and he was taking control, which is what every single Trump voter wanted when they pulled that, you know, in the election booth for Trump was for him to go in, take on these guys, the twin pillars of the Democrat.
Well, actually, the political establishment in general and the media and attack them.
tim pool
But the question I have is, there's a lot of people who didn't vote in 2016 who now are probably going to vote because they're being activated by all the smear pieces, all the media being like, it's the end of the world, you have to go vote, and all this stuff.
jack murphy
Are they being activated by that?
Are they being activated by waking up one day and finding out that their third graders are being taught to hate their whiteness and being forced into struggle sessions?
tim pool
I don't think they know that.
jack murphy
Maybe it's just because of the business I'm in and the things that I write about, but I'm being contacted by parents all over the country who are saying that they are appalled at what's happening in their schools with critical race theory.
That's activating people.
tim pool
But are they going to, like Trump couldn't even answer what critical race theory was.
jack murphy
Yeah, I tweeted about that.
It was clear that none of the three guys on the stage knew really what critical race theory was.
Just the way they talked about it.
tim pool
And Chris Wallace, you know what, this was the most infuriating thing to me.
The dude didn't even bother Google searching what it was before he presented it to two presidential candidates.
He's the one who picked these things.
Talk about inept.
Chris Wallace should be never... Look, man, he's a nice guy.
jack murphy
Boomer.
tim pool
He's a nice guy.
Get him out of there.
Get him out.
Because he could have at least done a simple... He could have gone on Wikipedia and been like, here's critical race theory.
Instead, he just parroted up garbage talking points he got from, like, some clickbait activist blog.
lydia smith
He didn't even call it critical race theory, did he?
unidentified
No, exactly.
lydia smith
I thought they called it racial sensitivity training.
tim pool
That means he didn't even know what Trump's policy was.
lydia smith
Yeah, he had no idea what he was talking about.
tim pool
Pathetic.
Talk about pathetic.
So Trump, clearly, he was pattering.
When he was like, oh it's bad, it's racist, or whatever.
You know, Trump should have had a better answer for what it was.
But you know what, he did ban it.
And, like, that's good.
But let me tell you something.
I talked to my progressive friends, you know, and as much as, like, the lefties like to say, Tim's anecdotes don't count, I don't care, whatever, they're my anecdotes, I'm gonna tell them anyway.
And my friend was telling me that she's, like, all in for Biden.
Like, all in for Biden, Trump is bad.
And the conversation was interesting because I'm not sure, you know, I think she'll probably still vote for Biden.
But she was saying that Trump is the reason for cancel culture.
unidentified
No.
No.
tim pool
That, and I'm like, that's right.
Exactly.
Of course not.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But, uh, the, the gist of the conversation that, that, that I took away from it was.
Trump's attitude is normalizing and inflaming all of this ridiculous behavior.
And I said, Trump is a symptom, not the cause of the only reason Trump's here is
because this was bubbling up and people finally snapped and they were like, whatever, man, send in the bull.
And so now Trump just storms through and he's ripping things apart.
You know, he's like just trampling around.
And I don't mean that to say that he's destroying the system.
No, he's like, the establishment is getting trampled all over.
But it was interesting to me that my friend was like, when we were talking politics, she got really into how she was sick of cancel culture and how it's like everywhere and how people can't even talk anymore.
And I was like, then why would you support Joe Biden?
Well, because Trump just like won't shut up.
He won't shut up.
And I'm like, that's how you fight.
jack murphy
That's how you fight cancel culture.
That's how you fight political correctness by not shutting up.
And I heard people criticize saying Trump isn't the right guy to fight critical race theory.
And I'm like, get out of here.
First of all, that's why I voted for him.
That's what the whole book is about pretty much, except for economics and war and smaller things.
But it's about fighting the cancel culture, woke political correctness, et cetera, radical feminism, all of that.
And what I said in a tweet once was, you know, he may not be.
No, he is the man for the fight because he is the man fighting like who else is doing it?
tim pool
Well, we I think we I think we need better.
I'm not saying Trump is like bad at the fight.
I'm saying.
There will come someone after Trump who will be faster, stronger, better, and right now Trump is the avatar of that energy.
All of that anger over unjust systems, the escalation of leftist identitarianism, the crony trade policies It formed this energy, and it incarnated itself in Donald Trump.
And so he's just like this... It's almost like... I don't know if you get the reference.
Do you watch Dragon Ball Z?
Do you know anything about it?
The very famous Goku, like, he summons all of the energy from people all over the Earth, and then he throws it at the bad guy and crushes him.
That's Trump.
Trump is that energy being, like, just thrown at the establishment.
So, I do think there will come a time No matter what happens in this election, where there will be a very Trumpian, moderate, right-leaning conservative type, but who is faster, smoother, much more charismatic, because this personality is probably going to bubble up.
There's going to be like a pop, there's going to be, there's a, you know, 65 million people.
One of them is going to start talking and then people are going to be like, check this person out.
That's our leader.
That's the person who's going to step up after Trump.
So I think like, like, like I'm not saying, you know, Trump, uh, is bad.
I think there will be better though.
jack murphy
You know, let's hope.
tim pool
Otherwise, what do we get?
So I'll tell you this.
In the conversation I had with my friend, totally off the subject of cancel culture stuff, she said to me, there's way too many social issues that we're facing trouble with if Trump wins again.
And my first response was like, you know, actually, I think it's the other way around.
I think, you know, Trump, if he wins, we're going to get a lot of the same, you know, the way America has been.
And if Biden wins, we're going to get leftist identitarianism.
But I'll tell you this.
You know what?
If you want to come and tell me that you're concerned about your comforts here in the United States and you voted for Barack Obama twice, this is your penance.
Donald Trump has signed three historic peace agreements.
This is incredible.
I mean, all three of these agreements recognize Israel as a country.
The United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, two Arabic nations, recognizing and normalizing relations.
Amazing.
Trump got nominated for two Peace Prizes over that.
Then he's got, I think, technically one for those.
Then he's got Kosovo, Serbia, which did include them recognizing Israel as well, but also normalizes relations.
Nobel Peace Prize nomination.
Then he gets a third nomination over the Trump doctrine of, you know, pulling our troops out of the Middle East and peace.
So here we finally have, after how many years?
20 years, a president who's like, I don't care.
I'm pulling the troops out.
This was a mistake.
Is it perfect?
No.
But my point to my friend was very simple.
Over the past 20 years, how many civilians have been killed in these foreign conflicts that we should have never been involved in?
How much money wasted and how many Americans lives lost?
And when Obama came around, you know what?
I voted for him too.
I voted for him.
I'm like, here we go.
Hey, the war was a problem.
What does Obama do?
He increased our footprint.
Him and Biden expanded our presence in North Africa and the Middle East, making everything work worse and not work worse.
And now Libya following the air raids and our involvement is brought back slavery.
And that was the Obama administration.
And so I'll tell you this, you do not get to come to me and say, but what about my comforts?
When you voted for a guy twice, I would accept you voted for him the first time, but you voted for him again in 2012.
And that means that he started more wars, he got us deeper involved, and now people are dying.
The first thing that needs to happen is the people need to stop dying.
That's my opinion on this.
Then after we stop the war, we can have a conversation about fixing things back here at home.
And, you know, reallocating those funds towards infrastructure, maybe fixing Flint and all that stuff.
But the point I'm trying to make is right now, the president we have who's going to end this endless war and garbage conflict and bring about peace is Donald Trump.
And if that means he's the person I have to vote for to get that point, and it means you might have social issue troubles, well, maybe you shouldn't have voted for Barack Obama.
Because you can't just kick the can down the road, take all of the good, sweet things he whispered into your ears while he bombed kids and civilians in foreign countries, and then finally when I say, I'm putting an end to what you voted for, you go, but what about me?
Well, what about the kids that Obama blew up?
Okay, I'm sorry that you're concerned about your taxes, you know, or your social programs.
Like, I really am.
I want to make sure that people have healthcare and all of these things too.
But if you're going to come to me and be like, here's a kid who's scarred permanently because of like white phosphorus and drone strikes and hellfire missiles.
And here's you, you know, complaining that your health care is higher in cost this, this, this month around.
jack murphy
Yeah.
But that's from Obama care.
First of all, and second of all, how many of these, how many of these perceived social ills are real.
Right.
And how, and how many of them are actually being suffered by people who did vote for Trump in the first place?
Now, funny thing, when is.
When do they award the Nobel Peace Prizes?
tim pool
December.
jack murphy
December?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure, isn't it December?
jack murphy
Man, if only it were before the election.
tim pool
They're not going to give it to him, dude.
Why not?
unidentified
Why not?
tim pool
Funny guy.
Funny guy.
They nominated Joe Biden.
Some British guy nominated Joe Biden.
That made me laugh.
unidentified
For what?
tim pool
That's the thing.
unidentified
What is Joe Biden?
tim pool
For backing up Obama?
No, no, no.
He got nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for being out of politics for four years, but in the previous four years, he
was blowing up kids.
unidentified
Yeah, cool.
jack murphy
That's the thing.
ian crossland
It's not only is Trump pulling him out, which he is, Joe Biden was the VP that got it in.
It's not like Trump or some other guy.
It's Trump or the dude that helped perpetuate it.
And Hillary Clinton also helped perpetuate it.
tim pool
You know what I think fans might disdain for the Democratic Party, being someone who's pretty liberal on policy issues, is that I remember growing up having all of these people, when I was a teenager and getting older and coming into politics, Running around me saying, like, aren't you gonna fight against George W. Bush's war?
It was wrong.
And I see the music videos, like System of a Down, and they're like, everyone's protesting.
And I saw, and I said, this is BS.
The media lied to us.
There were no weapons of mass destruction.
It was a scam.
And now we're over there in some other country for who knows why people are dying.
Our people are dying.
We're wasting money.
And I got mad.
And so then Barack Obama comes around and I'm like, I don't know, man.
And my friends were all like, dude, look, here's a video of Obama saying we're going to get our troops out of the Middle East.
And I'm like, wow, we got to do it.
We have to.
Because everybody was screaming in my ears for these past eight years.
Or, you know, six, seven years.
So I voted for him.
And then, like, within two weeks, Obama signed off on a drone strike, blew up a village, killing women and children.
And I was like, who were these people?
So then I immediately go to these people again, and I'm like, hey, remember that thing you were telling me about ending the war?
And they're like, oh, our guy won.
Later, and they left.
And all the activism stopped.
There were still some anti-war activists.
They still exist.
I respect them greatly.
A lot of the anti-war left.
They're still doing a great job.
And many of them are very progressive.
But all of a sudden, this big wave of people screaming and waving signs gone.
Just gone.
Just not there anymore.
2012 comes around and I'm like...
You used me.
You lied to me.
You dangled corpses of children in front of my face and then told me that's why I had to vote for your guy.
And I did it.
And then you turned your back on me.
I cannot stand these people.
And now we're sitting here looking at it again.
And Donald Trump is pulling the troops out.
He's trying to.
And both Democrats and Republicans are trying to stop him.
And he's got these historic peace agreements.
And I'm like, there, finally.
And then I get more progressives being like, but what about my social issues?
Okay, I'll tell you what.
How about you come with me, I will literally fly you to Yemen, and we'll go to the cafe that was blown up by Barack Obama, and after you look at it and talk to the families about their families dying, then we'll come back and figure out what's more important to you.
It was me being brought up by con artists who were trying to manipulate a young voter into supporting their guy, and they wanted war, and they cared for nothing but more war, more incursion, more BS.
ian crossland
I will say, if Obama lost in 2008, it would have been John McCain, I think.
tim pool
You're right.
ian crossland
And he would have got us into Iran.
He would have been way worse.
So Obama was the least bad in that situation, as horrible as he was.
tim pool
You are completely correct.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You are completely correct.
McCain was way worse.
ian crossland
And psychotic.
jack murphy
And that's why this MAGA movement is different.
It's different than the Democrats.
It's different than the GOP.
Because that was one of the main things that people were talking about and if we remember a time of the election last time It was Syria, right?
Syria was the big thing and the dividing line and this is a whole chapter in my book Democrats are deplorable on Amazon go get it is Was when Hillary Clinton was like there's gonna be a no-fly zone We're gonna bomb these people blah blah blah and Trump was like no, no, it's gonna be World War three It's gonna be war with Russia No more war.
And then that's where the rush of things.
tim pool
I do want to clarify too, though, Ian, because you're correct.
Mitt Romney and McCain were bad.
McCain would have been the worst.
My issue is with the activists who told me I was standing side by side with them to end the war.
And as soon as they won, they laughed and walked away.
ian crossland
I had a dream earlier today that I was talking to Jimmy Kimmel and he was doing a show and he was telling everyone Trump is bad.
He has to change this.
He has to change this.
And I said, no.
I have to change it!
We have to change it!
It's up to me!
And then it was like a pause and he said, I have to change it.
And then everyone in the room started saying, I have to change it.
And then Jimmy's show that he was doing stopped.
It stopped because the whole yelling at Trump thing wasn't selling anymore.
He no longer had a show.
So he just sat down.
He was like, I've got to be the one.
And I said, I'm sorry that Interesting dream.
Responsibility is it doesn't sell your product and he said it's okay that moment of taking responsibility will go
viral and Then publicize the rest of my work going forward just a
tim pool
dream about Jimmy Kimmel Yeah, that would never happen because Kimmel would just
start laughing and he'd be like, but Trump is bad I watched his heel last night
ian crossland
It was disgusting.
tim pool
The garbage word vomit coming out of the mouths of all of the late night comedians, where they might as well just be all saying, rabble, rabble, rabble.
It's the same recycled garbage.
They're not talking anything of substance.
They're not saying anything that matters.
It is just like, hey, I'm just like you.
I don't like Trump.
Hey, we don't like Trump either.
Woo, we got no reason to not like Trump.
And then they say things like, did you see Donald Trump wouldn't disavow white supremacy?
Any honest person who watched that did not walk away with that.
It's what they're hoping for is low information voters and low information culture war belligerents to be like, well, there's something to be mad about, I guess.
ian crossland
I thought it was interesting how you said it wasn't so much about what was said, but how.
I think you guys were alluding to how they were communicating.
Because I wonder if the Telemundo stuff, a lot of them maybe weren't English speakers.
tim pool
That's a good point.
That's a really good point.
jack murphy
That's possible.
But one, they definitely put subtitles.
And two, They speak English in America.
Let's not be like that.
And three, this is great.
Can we talk about the Telemundo thing?
So my background, actually, I went to Georgetown School of Foreign Service and I have a master's degree from the School of Foreign Service with a focus on Latin America.
So I have traveled all over Latin America.
I've studied Latin American politics, economics, speak Spanish, the whole thing.
And when I hear all these people talking about demographics is destiny and we're having all these Latinos come into America and they're all going to be progressive left commies, like, do these people know?
They don't know anything about history.
They don't know anything about culture.
They don't know anything about Latin American culture.
Right now we are facing a war of masculinity versus woke is basically is what it boils down to.
And that's why Trump is such a great avatar for this.
There are no, I mean, there are others, but the Latin American culture is masculine heavy.
Machismo, leadership, like taking care of your family, having a relationship with God and, and Christianity and like order.
And like, this is, this is the culture of Latin America.
These are, this is what people, bringing into the United States.
The fact that they ended up in some sanctuary city like in Montgomery County or whatever
doesn't mean that they're automatically going to want to be socialists.
Hell, half of them are trying to get away from the socialists in Latin America in the first place.
tim pool
And we have seen numerous polls showing Trump doing increasingly well among Latino and Hispanic voters.
jack murphy
One other thing, who in the hell thinks that these Latin American voters think of themselves as being Hispanic?
By the way, dude, a lot of them consider themselves to be white.
Where are they from?
They're from Spain and Portugal, right?
They're European and of European descendant.
And when people come from Spain and Portugal and they live in Latin America and South America, They stay connected to that European heritage because it provides a caste system in South America, which puts them at the top, right?
So they're very well connected to their European heritage.
And when they come to the United States, they don't see themselves as being, you know, an indigenous person that just came across the border.
No, there's still a European descendant in European history.
I think this whole notion that like all Latinos are just going to be blue voters no matter what is misguided, misfounded, and maybe Maybe this response to the debate is a piece of evidence showing that to be true.
tim pool
I don't know how true this is, but my understanding is that the black community is actually much more conservative than they vote, right?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
So they vote overwhelmingly demographic, but they're very much, you know, Christian.
You know, I can't remember.
I was reading the Wall Street Journal, I think, and it was talking about Reverend, you know, Jesse Jackson.
He's a reverend, right?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
And Al Sharpton.
And they were saying that the key for Democrats into the black vote is through the church.
I found that really interesting, and similar among the Hispanic community and Latinos, because many of them are religious, that they would vote against their value system, their faith.
jack murphy
Right.
Doesn't make any sense.
I think a lot of that demographics is destiny stuff.
Hopeful thinking.
Wishful thinking for the Democrats.
And we saw, clear as day, Trump did better than all the most recent Republican candidates with the minority voters.
And I do believe that that trend is going to continue.
I mean, they've been really hammering it.
I mean, Candace and Bluxit and all that stuff.
They've been really hammering.
And this $500 billion package.
They're trying.
tim pool
Trump's Trump's platinum plan.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah. Brand the Klan and Antifa as domestic terrorists and 500 billion
investment. So there's a an NBC data thing called likes.
It's called Swing the Election.
And they give you sliders that allow you to adjust support.
jack murphy
OK, I thought this was their motto.
tim pool
No, no, no.
unidentified
I wouldn't be surprised. No, no, no.
tim pool
It's they took the voter data from 2016.
They updated it for demographic changes like people becoming 18 and stuff.
It shows that if everything stays the same as it was in 2016, Joe Biden wins.
If Donald Trump.
If nothing else changes, but he gets 5% more of the Black vote, he wins.
If he gets 16% more of the Latino vote, he wins.
However, he only needs 3% of the Black vote and 5% of the Latino vote to win as well.
So he needs much less support among them if he gets a little bit from each.
Which, according to the polls, he has.
So Trump has lost support among, uh, I believe in, in, in the past, like six or so months, we've seen in the suburbs, Trump has been trying really hard to fight back for the suburbs.
We see in his tweets, there goes the suburbs, you know, Biden wants to go to the suburbs and then really hammering the law and order narrative.
I got, I got to say, man, I mean, if you're telling me that these, these parents are seeing this stuff in schools, are those suburban moms?
jack murphy
Oh yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
You want to know what else is crazy?
You know what I see?
And maybe this is just me being biased when I see Amy Coney Barrett.
A suburban housewife.
lydia smith
Heck yeah.
tim pool
Accomplished, successful, shattering the glass ceiling, but also being a mother to many kids.
lydia smith
Seven kids.
tim pool
Seven kids, having faith, raising her family.
That, I imagine, is going to represent a lot of suburban housewives probably will see themselves.
I'm not saying majority, I'm not saying how many, I just imagine, it's my assumption, for better or for worse, there's gonna be a lot of women who see Amy Coney Barrett, see her family, see her faith, whether they agree with any of it or not, and be like, that's a woman who has it all.
She did it.
And then the Democrats are already going after her, attacking her kids, attacking her faith.
jack murphy
She's a racist because she adopted these black kids and gave them a beautiful life and lots of love.
tim pool
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
I know.
jack murphy
And that comes from the King, racist on their side.
tim pool
So I'm wondering if, you know, Trump, if Trump is going to improve his standing now among suburban housewives because of things like that, if he's, if he's already, according to so many polls, like Rasmussen has him up really high among Latino voters.
Whether you trust Rasmussen or not, they were the ones who were the most accurate in 2016 on the
national vote totals. So they nailed it with only like 0.4% or whatever. Everyone else was off by
like a whole point or more. So maybe they're right about this, but they show that Trump's
support among the black community is insanely high. Now a bunch of these lefties are like,
it's because Rasmussen is sampling the wrong people and they're trying to make excuses for it.
But we saw also Emerson and Zogby say that Trump's support from the black vote is upwards of like between 20 and 30%.
Trump only needs 5% more support from the last time to win.
And if he's polling at even 15, he won.
He needs to get 13%.
If he's polling at 15% and they come out to vote for him, he won.
jack murphy
It's over.
tim pool
There's nothing else Biden's gonna be able to do.
I think that's why they're going so hard on the white supremacy stuff, on Black Lives Matter, because they know Trump only needs a little bit of support from that community.
The crazy thing is, if you use this NBC slider thing, if Trump gets like more than half of the black vote, Illinois turns red.
Like, that's crazy.
I'm like, I can't imagine anything like that ever happening.
But I gotta say, man.
jack murphy
You're getting me pumped, dude.
unidentified
You're getting me pumped!
jack murphy
I just had a vision of a red map with a blue dot in my hometown, D.C.
tim pool
Illinois turning red.
Could you imagine?
DC turning red.
jack murphy
I can't imagine, because if you've been to Illinois, it makes total sense.
tim pool
Oh, for sure.
jack murphy
If you've been anywhere outside of the loop, it makes perfect sense.
ian crossland
Plus, Trump is like a liberal guy that ran in the Republican Party, so he's got this red tag on him, but he's not like a right-leaning conservative.
tim pool
And that's why the establishment Republicans didn't like him.
ian crossland
Yeah, they tried to stop him.
jack murphy
This is a great point, going back to your friend and the activists who used you.
Oh yeah.
Right. And as soon as their you know, their guy was in and whatever, they just didn't care.
They didn't care about the war because these are partisan people.
Right. They were partisan people in the party at the time was against Bush in the Bush wars.
Exactly. They're being partisan. So the reason why Trump is so exciting is because even the people in the Republican
Party that voted for Trump were saying no to the Republicans to 17 other whatever it was, Republican primary
candidates in 2016.
They say no to the establishment and the Democrats are deplorable voters like me, like you coming up here, buddy.
Right. Coming up here, buddy. We are nonpartisan.
We're in pursuit of the truth.
I'm looking at this guy. And the best thing.
ian crossland
After last night, just in the first 10 minutes, the dreariness in Biden, just my soul had decided for me.
jack murphy
And that was with full stage makeup.
unidentified
Seriously.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ian and I have arguments.
Ian, you were like, nah, I'm not voting for any of them.
ian crossland
I mean, I was going to vote for neither of them.
Last time I voted for Jill Stein because I couldn't stomach her.
tim pool
But she's a Russian.
ian crossland
I know.
Now it's just not, there's no third party candidate that I like.
I mean, there's nothing that stood out.
And Trump's anti-war stance and getting us out of the PPP, TPP, excuse me, PPP.
It's exhilarating. I mean, we need... it's just stuff that I've wanted to do for a long time.
tim pool
Because I remember when Ian and I would have arguments and Ian would be saying,
like, he's not going to vote for Trump and I'm at the Obama administration.
And like, you were going off on it, how bad it was. Yeah, Trump's the one who shut it down.
ian crossland
The investor state dispute settlement was going to give foreign corporations the power to sue our government if we, you know, chose not to buy their products.
If they call it, I don't know, whatever.
Discrimination.
There was a discrimination clause.
And then they could sue our government and our taxes would have to pay these, you know, East Asian corporations.
And they were all on board with it.
jack murphy
Selling, you know, selling us out, basically globalizing the Well, that's what we were fighting against is giving up our sovereignty as a nation to all of these supranational agreements and organizations that don't have the people of the United States first and foremost in all their decision making, which is what Donald Trump promised to do.
And he has revived a sense of American nationalism that I think is going to continue on now for decades.
This is the new trend for us.
ian crossland
It didn't have the individual's rights.
It wasn't just an American thing.
It was like stripping individuality from us.
It was giving it to the corporate.
tim pool
But not even that.
My take on it is not from a nationalist perspective.
It's actually the inverse.
The United States government has engaged in these endless wars.
jack murphy
No, you're respecting the nationalism and the national autonomy of those other nations.
So look, nationalism isn't just for America.
It's for everybody.
tim pool
What I mean is like the idea of bringing the factories back and all that stuff.
I love it.
It's fantastic.
We definitely want to do that.
But for me, it's about international relations.
And that we've been wasting money building roads and schools in foreign countries, when our own town of Flint has been in desperate need of fixing all of these pipes, and we've got schools in our major cities that are in desperate need of repair and help, and our hospitals!
Look man, I love the meme where it's like the groggy looking sad dude saying, can we please have healthcare?
Have you seen that one?
There was a really funny one where it was like the Navy tweeted, we're building 50 new destroyers or some crazy thing, and then one of these progressives posted the sad man saying, can we please have healthcare?
And I'm like, I feel you dude!
100%!
I understand the need for military, I understand what it's all about, but how much money are we spending overseas to build things that we don't have here?
Hey, I got an idea.
If we end all these wars, we can build that hospital here.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
See, that works for the nationalists, the American nationalists, and that works for the anti-war left.
That's why I don't understand why the progressives aren't saying, I will take Trump if it means we're going to end these wars straight up.
But they won't do it.
Like, the Intercept, for instance, is very, you know, Glenn Greenwald is, he goes on Fox News, he seems to be a pretty good dude, but his outlet is so Orange Man bad, it's confusing to me.
When he literally writes, the establishment is stopping Trump from withdrawing our troops in the Middle East, I'm like...
You guys rag on Trump all the time, okay?
Are you going to say we're, like... Are you going to accept that your best chance towards ending all of these things you don't like is through Trump?
Or are you just going to play the Orange Man bad narrative for clicks?
Pick one.
Because I'm not going to listen to you if you're coming out saying the Democrats and Republicans blocked Donald Trump's efforts to withdraw.
I don't care.
I think you're full of it.
You're just saying that.
ian crossland
Orange Man can be bad and still do good.
Like, you don't have... Batman was a jerk.
Like, Batman would...
You know, he wasn't known for his great charisma.
tim pool
But what I'm saying is, they put out the smears.
They put out the ridiculous fake news, the Proud Boys are alt-right white supremacists, brah, Donald Trump supports them, ugh.
It's like, dude, you can write me a great piece and say, I love the story from The Intercept that said, Donald Trump is like the most honest and dishonest president at the same time, because he lies about really dumb things for like, who knows why.
He'll be like, I didn't go to that club with that woman, what are you talking about?
That's a lie, it's not true, you're lying.
But then when it comes to military and spending, he's like, we got the soldiers in Syria guarding the oil.
That's what we're there for.
It's fantastic.
He literally said that.
I'm like, okay, dude.
Hey man, look, if Trump tried to withdraw our troops and they went nuts and attacked him for it, and both Democrats and Republicans were blocking his moves, he comes out, that's how he's getting them.
He's pulling the mask off of what they're doing.
And that's the first step, getting the American people mad about our waste of time, money, and the lives being lost over here.
ian crossland
I want to ask you, Jack, so you wrote the book, obviously, Democrats are Deplorable.
jack murphy
Democrats are Deplorable.
ian crossland
And what was your transition like?
Did you vote for Obama?
jack murphy
I did.
ian crossland
Both times?
jack murphy
I did.
ian crossland
And then what changed you?
jack murphy
Man, it was a combination of things, but really it was like beginning to feel the pressure of this white people bad stuff.
2013, 2014 especially, the Rolling Stone rape hoax.
You know, for me, it was a lot of like the title nine, this fake rape stats and radical feminism.
So really, it all started for me after I got divorced and I was like, trying to figure out how to date again, 2020 or 2010.
And, you know, this dating market had changed a lot since I had been married for 10 years before that.
So I start reading, start figuring things out, and I start pulling on this string, and I'm like, man, this radical feminism is pretty whack.
I start pulling on it, pulling on it, pulling on it, and I've been pulling on the very same string of radical feminism into intersectionality, into critical race theory, all the way to this very day.
I'm still carrying on the very same thread.
And at the core of all this cultural dispute and everything that we're having is, Begin with an attack on masculinity and it began with radical feminism and it has now just morphed and mutated and combined with Marxism and racism and intersectionality into what we see today.
But I've been tracking the same thing for 10 years.
And it became very clear to me.
I can remember very vividly when Clock Boy brought that fake bomb to school and he got
arrested for detained for like three hours or whatever.
And Obama and everybody had been telling us, you know, in this this high alert terroristic,
you know, time, if you see something, say something.
There's signs all over the metro, all over the buses and the airports.
If you see something, say something.
Save a life.
And then these teachers at a school saw something that looked like a bomb.
They're like, yo, it's beeping and there's a timer and it looks like a bomb.
We should do something.
And Obama decided to come down on the side of this kid who brought this fake bomb to school.
discredited and demeaned all of us who worked in education, worked in law enforcement, were trying to keep the country safe.
And he did it to score woke points.
And that's when I realized for sure at the end that he was faking and full of it.
And and then you start learning about American nationalism and what we've done with globalism, et cetera.
And it all just came together.
And Donald Trump coming down that that freaking escalator.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And that's what I was trying to explain to my friend.
Donald Trump isn't making any of this happen.
Donald Trump is the result of all of it happening.
And then people all sending their energy to the angry bull who slammed headfirst into the doors of the ivory tower.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
He's surfing the wave.
He didn't create the wave.
tim pool
Well, I view it like Trump is a bull with big old golden horns.
Massive ones.
jack murphy
Golden what?
lydia smith
Horns.
jack murphy
I didn't know which way you were going.
tim pool
He's stomping around.
And then the townspeople were sick of the people in the tower condescending and insulting and manipulating.
And so they're just like, they smack the ball in the butt and the ball went, just right
into the ivory tower.
Trampled around and they're all going, oh, ee god, there's a ball, help us, get it out.
And they scream out to Bernie Sanders and he's helping them.
And the progressives are like, don't worry, ivory tower, we'll help stop the ball from
damaging your lofty one percenter.
I don't get it.
I don't understand why the progressives are on board with that.
jack murphy
There's still way more damage to be done to the ivory tower.
It's going to take decades.
Yeah.
Right.
And so let me ask you guys, what do you, is there anybody who voted for Trump in 2016
realistically who's not going to vote for him again?
Maybe on the small handful, teeny tiny margins.
But yet all of the reasons that were in place that catapulted Trump to victory in 2016 are still in place, have been getting worse.
They're like more in your face.
lydia smith
And we're seeing him fix them.
jack murphy
And we're seeing him fix them.
tim pool
And people think Joe Biden will bring you back to normal.
That is a sad, sad bit of wishful thinking.
It's not true.
lydia smith
So is Joe Biden's normal a normal that we actually want to go back to?
Is Obama's world a world we want to go back to?
Is this Middle Eastern involvement really something that we want?
Because I didn't care for Obama because I was super conservative, but now listening to all his warmongering stuff, I'm like, this is insane.
So I have a question for you guys.
I don't think we'll ever go back to the way things were before, but I think that's a good thing.
We mentioned a little bit about how more personalities like him are going to rise up.
Do you think that's going to be a trend?
tim pool
I don't think we'll ever go back to the way things were before.
But I think that's a good thing.
I think Donald Trump is not some guardian angel descending from heaven to save all of
the virtuous.
Donald Trump is an angry bull, and it was what was available at the time for the angry townspeople.
But after the ivory tower has been finally vacated by the people as they run for the hills, then the townspeople can make an educated decision and find, you know, that person who can actually go and start representing them.
So this is what I said to my friend.
If Joe Biden gets elected, you are kicking the bull out of the tower.
He's going to lock the door.
The Democrats hate Bernie.
They hate Ocasio-Cortez.
You will never step foot in that building again once they win.
Now, if Trump gets the opportunity to win and kicks them out and they're gone, the best they could muster right now is Biden.
They're on the ropes.
The establishment is about to be crushed and all of these cronies like Rick Wilson and these Never Trumpers, when they got booted from the Republican Party by Trump, ran screaming as political party refugees to the Democrats saying, help us, help us, we got kicked out of the tower.
The Democrats said, come, we'll nurture you in our bosom and protect you because we're all establishment cronies together.
So, I told my friend, don't let them take the keys back.
Kick them out.
And then after four years of Trump, because the next four years, look, I was like, you don't like Trump, right?
And you don't like Biden.
So don't vote for Biden.
Just let Trump do his thing.
He's gone in four years.
And then you have the opportunity for an actual left-wing populist to come and have a real argument with a right-wing populist.
ian crossland
It's gonna be Buttigieg.
He is basically the establishment's grooming candidate right now.
tim pool
Only if they win.
ian crossland
We can get through to him.
Yeah.
Oh, either way, they're going to be pushing him in 2024.
And we can get through to him, though, and make him not crazy, I think.
tim pool
I think if Donald... So you look at who they have left.
They have Joe Biden.
The dude struggles, OK?
He struggles.
He's not going to be viable next.
They couldn't do Hillary Clinton.
There are no prominent Democratic figures.
None.
If Donald Trump wins, It's over for them.
The establishment will be crushed.
ian crossland
Well, you're talking about the military-industrial complex.
So, this is what I was thinking earlier.
I think, like you were saying, Lydia, do we go back to what it was before?
tim pool
Yeah, do we want to?
ian crossland
And it's before America was the world police.
I think, yeah.
Because I don't think having one country be the world police makes much sense anymore.
It's too much pressure on the country.
But if America were to stop being a world police, would China just fill that gap?
jack murphy
Yes.
Well, for their own interests, that's the thing.
ian crossland
Is there a way to globalize a world police so that no nation takes control?
jack murphy
No, thank you.
tim pool
No, but there's mutually assured destruction.
China doesn't want to go to war with us, and we're dangerously close as it is.
jack murphy
Conventional war.
They're at war with us on every front, every angle right now, anyway.
tim pool
I think that one of the contributing factors as to why we're on the precipice of war is because of world policing.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
jack murphy
We put precipice of war with whom?
tim pool
China.
jack murphy
No, we're already at war.
We're already at war.
tim pool
I mean, conventional full hot war.
jack murphy
No, that's done.
That's not going to happen.
We are currently engaged in a fourth generation warfare with China.
They're pumping a country full of drugs the same way we pumped Their country full of drugs in the last century.
They're taking over infrastructure and trading routes all over the world.
They're pumping us full of freaking propaganda.
They're running TikTok and pushing the algorithm to corrupt our youth.
They're helping these activists, you know, these collectivist activists.
They're helping on every front.
ian crossland
We are at war and they're actually at war with themselves because that communist party has co-opted the citizens
They are not the citizens don't want to do that stuff But this this party what they do and they're in the
tim pool
military and they and they contribute Yeah, they control the military.
That's authoritarianism.
But yes, we are in fourth generational warfare with them.
jack murphy
And I believe that we need to be more explicit about that.
One of the reasons I voted for Trump, and it's in the book, Democrat to Deplorable, did I mention that?
unidentified
Yes.
You wrote a book.
jack murphy
I wrote a book.
I wrote a book.
tim pool
So you wrote a book.
jack murphy
It's selling really well, too.
One of the things to talk about is changing the language and the conversation around China.
Biden, for so many years, ah, China, ah, China, starting back with the WTO in the 90s, where we let them into the World Trade Organization, which was protested, by the way, by Antifa and BlackRock, which is funny because they were anti-globalist at the time.
We have started since then just giving our country away to the point now where, in a pandemic, We didn't have all the supplies and we had risks of drugs running out and all kinds of bad things that are happening.
And so we need to actually be saying China and the United States, these are is an antagonistic relationship right now.
And we need to be changing the energy there.
And I think that that has been accomplished.
tim pool
That was the battle in Seattle, I think it was.
That was the World Trade Organization protests.
Leftists were shutting down streets in opposition to global trade policy.
Amazing how many of these people are now older and still part of the left, but in a complete inversion to what they once believed.
And that's part of the problem I see.
That not only did I feel used by the activists who were like, vote for Obama, vote for Obama, you know, end the war, and then he made it worse and they walked away.
It's also them saying like, hey, look at all these things that are really bad and, you know, these trade policies, look what we're protesting.
I'm like, great!
And then years go by and they're like, oh, we flipped 180 on that one.
jack murphy
Dude, you want to talk about being used?
Let's talk about Gen X. Gen X and race.
Okay.
I'm 44 years old.
I was raised by my culture and everyone around me, just the Nazi color, Nazi gender, Nazi race.
Sound like I was saying Nazi, right?
To not see race, to not see any of these things, and to judge people on the content of their character.
And we did all that, and we lived in that manner.
And then you get to adulthood, and what do they say now?
Too bad, dude.
You're a racist.
White supremacy.
Your color matters.
Color matters.
They used us, Gen X. They used us, and we're bitter.
tim pool
You know what triggers me a whole lot about these people?
The progressives are the ones who fought for loving v. Virginia, ending miscegenation laws.
They have created generations of mixed-race people for which they now essentially disavow as either bend the knee and be privileged or be white.
So that's, that's, that's, these people, I think, you know, I was talking to someone about Robin DiAngelo's book, where she basically, she says, I have no answer for how a mixed-race person is supposed to function.
I don't know her exact quote, but she basically just, like, shrugs it off.
But in this woke world of, like, racial discrimination, you know, like, Ibram X. Kendi and Robin DiAngelo, they don't have a Okay, all of one race here, all of one race here.
Uh-oh, this one's both.
actually created the laws which allowed these generations to flourish and exist.
Now the left is embracing these policies and ideas that essentially say, okay, all of one
race here, all of one race here.
Uh-oh, this one's both.
What do we do?
So that to me is particularly offensive.
It's like, you're the activist right now claiming you cared about these things, you cared about the dream of Martin Luther King Jr., and now you're holding up signs with his quotes on it while fighting against his dream.
ian crossland
I can fully support you, man, with the Gen X thing.
I'm 41, and I basically caught the tail end of Gen X, raised with the exact same ideals, we are all the same.
Not identical, but man, you look past what you see, and that's who we're, we're unity, you know?
Too many white people.
Occupy Wall Street and was ready to talk about the Constitution was told we're not having any more white
people speak You can't speak to the others. We had too many white people.
jack murphy
So that too many white people that I saw that written on a board at my
last job that I got fired from when I got doxed by Antifa and they fired me for being a Nazi and sold I got
Canceled but while I was there on the whiteboard, that was the note-taking for the diversity
inclusion and equity committee.
They wrote on the board, literally too many white people working here.
tim pool
How is that legal?
jack murphy
It's not, it's totally illegal.
It's totally illegal.
It's a violation.
It's a hostile work environment.
It's a violation of my civil rights.
And when you, when I spoke up about it.
I got fired.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
And so now in California, as most people who are watching probably know, because I bring it up all the time, the Democrats are trying to repeal the civil rights passage in their constitution, and they call it the Affirmative Action Bill.
So then when I try talking to people, they're like, but it's for Affirmative Action.
I say, oh, can you point to the language in the bill that's for Affirmative Action?
What do you mean?
It says Affirmative Action.
It's the title.
unidentified
It's Antifa.
tim pool
Oh, so if I make a bill called the Patriot Act, it's for being a patriot.
Yeah!
That whole part about locking people up indefinitely and all that stuff, that's patriotism.
That's exactly it.
You know what's really remarkable about the modern left is the semantic tools they use to manipulate low-information voters.
We're anti-racist.
Therefore, if you oppose us, you're a racist.
Now, anti-racism holds the exact same tenets of racism, but the name is different.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
You know, it's like, it's like we're anti-racist.
We didn't say we're not.
We just, you know, it's just called something else.
Anti-fascism.
Well, they're violent authoritarians, not technically fascists.
lydia smith
It's in the name.
tim pool
It's clever.
ian crossland
You know, I have a belief, this might be a little esoteric, but I think that the human mind is not logical, it's more emotional.
So when you say double negatives, they don't translate properly to the human mind.
So if I say, don't be evil, they're hearing, don't, be evil, and they're hearing be evil, even though I said don't before it.
So when you're saying anti-fascist, you're putting out the fascist energy.
And so it's making these people That way.
tim pool
What is fascism anyway, man?
They're not fascist, right?
And what that means is they use a lot of the same tactics and they hold many similar ideologies,
but on core components, they're not fascist.
Like they're not nationalists.
They're not traditionalist.
ian crossland
What is fascism anyway, man?
What is your definition of it?
I thought it was corporate government collusion.
tim pool
So I think the official like academic understanding of what fascism was, was ultra nationalistic
authoritarianism.
And so, that could also mean you want to take over the world, but your country is in charge of everyone else.
So, the main difference I see, and I could be wrong, I'm not a historian or anything.
Here's the interesting thing about the communists and the fascists.
They use the same symbolism.
Okay.
When they raise the fist, have you noticed they raise the fist and they point their fingers at you?
It's the fist symbol with the fingers facing you is a symbol of all the fingers together making a strong unit.
The fist, we can punch.
But individually the finger was weak.
That's what the fa- uh, the fa- what is it, fascist?
Is that how you pronounce it?
The fascis?
That's the weapon of all the sticks tied together with the blade in it.
That individually they were weak, but together they were a strong weapon.
They believe the same core tenets of banding together for power.
The difference was fascists, at least today, neo-fascism, is traditionalist.
Only, you know, the men are the ones who work, the women are, you know, raising the kids and in the house.
And Antifa are fascistic in their techniques and everything, but they're ultra-progressive.
They believe year zero, culture revolution, abolish gender, abolish tradition, abolish religion.
jack murphy
But did they, the same black, black people, the same Antifa people, did they believe that when they were promoting globalism or protesting against globalism in the 90s, WTO?
I don't know.
Do you think they have any actual real core values?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I think it's new people with the same title.
Like, the next generation, they're just different people with different mindsets.
tim pool
My mom sent me this video where there's a bunch of people sitting in a dentist's office, and they're all actors.
A woman comes in for her appointment and sits down.
And then a bell chimes, and everyone stands up, and she looks around all confused.
Then everyone sits down right away.
Then she goes back, bell chimes again, everyone stands up, she looks confused.
Eventually, she just stands up too.
All of a sudden, she's standing up and sitting down every time a bell rings.
One by one, the people, the actors leave.
And then all that's left is her.
Bell chimes, she stands up, sits down.
New guy comes in, an actual patient, sits down and sees her standing up and sitting down and he goes, what are you doing?
And she's like, I just, we're supposed to do it, everyone's doing it.
And he's like, oh.
So he starts standing up too.
Then one by one new people come in for their appointments and then all of a sudden everyone is standing up and sitting down having no idea why they did it.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
It just transferred over.
I think what we see with the Left and Antifa is it is a chaotic, destructive force with no principle and no plan.
It is just the embodiment of rage.
So that's why they oppose the World Trade Organization and then now they're in favor of the World Trade Organization, I guess?
ian crossland
So it's collectivist.
I think this is something, um...
Like individualism versus collectivism.
And that's really where we're at right now.
Um, fascists and communists are collectivist.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
You know, you could say Jordan Peterson talks about this.
Yeah.
So the collectivism, it could be, I don't know if it's just dangerous in general.
lydia smith
I think it is because I think that individualism makes people strong because when you have individualism, you have personal responsibility.
When you start to lose individualism, you lose personal responsibility and you lose, like, maybe this comes down to people not experiencing the effects of their own actions, like not being disciplined maybe when they're growing up.
I don't know if that's cause or effect, but I think that the individualism is so strongly tied to personal responsibility.
You can see a culture start to crumble when you start to lose individualism.
That's just my two cents.
tim pool
It's a bunch of antifas, a bunch of kids who have been given everything whenever they cried about it.
So they're crying about it, trying to get it.
I think it's funny, you know, these college kids, people talk about how colleges are indoctrinating, you know, young people.
And I'm like, it's not in the way you think it is.
Like, certainly there are professors that are ridiculously woke and, you know, woke walkers or whatever you want to call them.
But a lot of what indoctrinates them is just the fact that they wake up, they're told what to do, and when they complain, they're given whatever they want.
Then they graduate.
So they're kids.
I want you to imagine now, a 38-year-old woman with an 8-year-old kid, and she's standing in the ice cream shop, and the kid's screaming and pounding his feet, saying, I want two scoops!
unidentified
And then she's like, okay, okay, okay, please, two scoops, quickly, he's yelling at me, my ears!
tim pool
And she gives the kid what he wants.
That kid grows up, goes to college.
Now you see it with that video like Nick Kristakis.
Remember that?
He's at Halloween, and they're screaming, like, no matter what he says, they're just like, shut up!
That's the same kid growing up now, whose parents just said, whatever you want, you!
They're yelling in my ears!
jack murphy
It's a lack of masculine energy in the world.
lydia smith
I think that's it.
tim pool
And now what we end up getting is even these professors who are respectable are not being tough.
Like, when a professor gets surrounded and they're screaming at him, he goes, okay, okay, I listen.
I'm listening.
I hear what you're saying.
Instead of being like, F you!
Shut up!
Get out of my face!
ian crossland
And this is because the doctrines infiltrated the top levels of the organizations and will fire those professors if they stand up to the- Probably.
tim pool
to the weakness because people are more concerned about getting that quick buck than what's right
that's another big problem you know i love it when people are like i have a problem with capitalism
like you know i gotta say there is an issue when people are like i will sell out my principles as
long as i get paid at the end of the day that's not an issue of capitalism though it's an issue of
no shared values and morals mic drop up. Yeah. Right.
jack murphy
Exactly.
I mean, the thing about it is we can see everywhere that there's a failure of masculine leadership.
There's a failure of family.
There is a failure of strong community, of discipline, of leadership, of accountability.
And the definition of collectivism really is that it's shared responsibility.
And when you have shared responsibility, then no one has any responsibilities.
When you have individual responsibility, that's when you can collectively have responsibility.
It trickles up from the individual.
I heard a quote.
Maybe it was Nassim Taleb.
He said that he is like a communist at home and he is like a socialist in his community and then he is a libertarian for his political views.
unidentified
Interesting.
jack murphy
And that is the way it is at home, right?
I mean, dude, I work.
Daddy works.
Daddy pays.
Daddy provides.
I'm happy to share.
It's easy peasy, according, you know, for me, according to my ability, to them, according to their needs, right?
But I don't want to see that kind of crap at the federal level.
tim pool
I got this quote.
I'm assuming it's real.
This is from World Boxing News.
Social media made you all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.
Mike Tyson.
I don't know if that's a real quote or whatever.
I saw it going around.
It sounds like he said it.
jack murphy
I mean, it's even in a Taylor Swift song.
tim pool
Which one?
jack murphy
Right.
Not this last album, but the one that came out before where it's like something about, you know, tweets in the streets.
It's a knockout.
You know, just like saying, like, she gets a lot of harassment, right?
Online and stuff.
And she sees it.
And, uh, you know, I felt it when I heard that song for the first time, because, you know, I get some hate out there.
And, uh, it's interesting that, you know, no, it's the same phenomenon when you're in your car, right?
Like when you're in your car and you're in traffic and you, you're willing to like bully somebody with your car, cut them off and give them the finger.
It's because you're insulated from real life.
Right.
Let me tell you something.
When I am standing in line to get into somewhere, I'm six, four to 50.
How many people walk up and cut in front of me?
tim pool
Zero.
jack murphy
Zero.
But people will elbow their way in their cars and then they get mad at you, right?
It's like, when people are detached from the outcomes of their actions, like Antifa has been, they just go buck wild.
tim pool
Have you ever seen the viral video where there's like a fence and the two dogs are yelling at each other and barking and then the fence starts opening, it's like a gate, slides?
And then once it opens, the dogs just stop and like slowly turn around and walk away like, oh no, now I got to be accountable for my actions.
ian crossland
So this lack of masculine energy is directly linked to the era of social media.
jack murphy
I think it emphasizes it, but the attack on masculinity has been ongoing since the 60s.
ian crossland
What's the why?
What caused it?
it or what brought it on?
jack murphy
Well, it was the it was when feminism decided that they needed
to wrench the power from the patriarchy and all
page all societies are patriarchal.
All patriarchies are oppressive.
And if you are to end oppression, you must end the patriarchy.
And what is the source of patriarchy's power?
Masculine energy.
So you have to attack it at the source.
So it's very logical if they want to do this.
tim pool
You see that viral TikTok where it's like this chick is putting on makeup and getting ready for school.
And she's like, y'all women in the 60s wanted me to be independent.
I don't want to be independent!
And then she starts yelling, I want to be a housewife!
I want to make dinner for my husband!
But now I have to go to school!
And then she like storms off.
It's actually really funny.
jack murphy
It's funny.
It's true.
It's sad.
The worst thing that happened with feminism is that they decided that the ideal woman looked like the ideal man.
tim pool
Right.
jack murphy
Instead of saying what the ideal woman should look like.
I've been saying champion femininity.
tim pool
I've been saying this for a long time.
Feminism is destroying femininity because it's championing masculine concepts for women.
So you take a look at Captain Marvel.
They're like, okay, we're gonna make a superhero movie that's traditionally a male role, but women should do it too.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Well, sure, but what you're basically saying is the ideal man is paramount, is peak humanity, right?
The point is, if you have a movie where a guy is a superhero and he's saving the day, and then your response is, women should be like the man, instead of the man should be like the woman, you're basically saying the men is what we should all strive, the masculine is what we should all strive to be.
But then the problem is, It disinherits women.
Exactly right.
It's not how do I phrase this?
ian crossland
It disinherits women.
tim pool
Well, they're, they're, they're attacking men, right?
Because they're trying to prop women up in masculine roles, which creates
and which, which destroys both.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
That's the point I'm trying to make.
jack murphy
Exactly.
Right.
Exactly.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
By saying that the ideal woman is, is the, a man, then in order to get women
into those positions, you have to degrade the existing men.
You have to degrade the existing system in order to make space.
Now, this is echoed in critical race theory when it comes to race.
If you've seen these, these bubbles that are like, Oh, this is when you're an early, like a tadpole of a, of a anti-racist.
And then when you get to your fully developed anti-racist self, it says, Specifically, and this was at the Smithsonian published.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Says white people yield positions of power to people of color.
lydia smith
Amazing.
jack murphy
Detail.
Specific.
Actual call out.
Okay?
It's the same concept.
It's like, we need to get these people out of power so that we can take the power.
lydia smith
That's what it's about.
tim pool
Did you see in the book, In Defense of Looting, they basically said that, or I saw, I could be wrong, so fact check me, said that Jewish people and Asians represent the face of capital.
And then a bunch of people are like, that sounds an awful lot like what, you know, Nazis were saying.
But they believe a lot of the exact same things.
Not to play into Godwin's law.
ian crossland
What they wanted to do was get rid of oppression, or diminish oppression, the feminists.
And then they conflated patriarchy with oppression, and that's where it skewed.
That's like where Hitler conflated the Jews with the banking power structure that he wanted to overcome, or whatever the power structure.
He thought that just because a lot of Jewish people were in those positions, that it was the Jewish people.
tim pool
I don't even know.
I think the dude was just, like, scapegoating.
ian crossland
For sure, but as the feminists went after men accidentally because they were just trying to undo the oppression system.
tim pool
So... The fake oppression system.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it's the same thing with Critical Race, is they're trying to undo the white people, but what they really want is to undo the oppression.
tim pool
Well, this is the joke.
Whichever group you want to be a part of, you've got to figure out who your target is.
If you want to be an occupier, the 1%.
The 1% is responsible for the war, they're the one who controls the bank and the money.
If you want to be, you know, a conspiracy theorist, the Illuminati!
The Illuminati's, you know, committing all the wars, and basically you can take any one of these groups Any group.
Anti-racist, fascist, whatever.
And you can ascribe all of the same problems.
Oppression, and conflict, and strife, and suffering.
You want to be a communist?
Well, the capitalists are causing the war, because the war machine, the capitalists are the ones who are oppressing you.
You just pick whichever group, you change the noun, and all of a sudden, congratulations, you're whichever group you want to be.
ian crossland
It's a failed tactic.
I mean, it's a tactic that leads to what we're seeing right now.
jack murphy
I mean, is it a failed tactic?
I mean, they're getting there.
They're like chipping away at the patriarchy.
They're chipping away at this sense of oppression.
ian crossland
Well, I guess the argument would be that it will destroy us in the long run.
jack murphy
Well, that's what we've been trying to say.
And that's why we're trying to fight back.
I've been tweeting and writing about this for years.
It is woke versus men or woke versus masculine energy.
And we need to have a revival of masculine energy.
tim pool
You know what's really interesting to me?
I grew up watching shows, comic book shows, you know, like superhero stuff, and they always have the men and the women on equal footing.
You know, I never really thought about it.
So, when I was little watching, say, anime or superhero stuff, you'd see Wonder Woman.
She's, you know, depending on what you're watching, she's like top-tier superhero as strong as the men, or stronger, actually.
There's tons of anime where there's strong female characters with, like, top-tier abilities, and they're, like, main characters.
And so in fiction, the idea is created among—particularly among, you know, young people who watch this stuff—that men and women are equally powerful.
And then something interesting happened when I was skateboarding and I turned 16.
And then all of a sudden, it was like, wow, there's a real power disparity between men and women in skateboarding.
Then I turned 18, and I went to the X Games, and I was with my friend, and I got to meet a bunch of the top female skaters.
And I mean this with no disrespect at all, but they just don't compare to the men.
And then all of a sudden, I heard from the mouth of one of the top female pros, you will never be as good as a man.
And she was telling it to the other women.
And I thought that was interesting to grow up seeing all this fictional content where men and women are equals in every way, fighting each other.
Or sometimes women are stronger, Captain Marvel for instance.
But then you go out in the real world and you watch sports or work and it's like, men and women are clearly different.
lydia smith
I really, I really, I have a lot of strong feelings about this.
I've been containing myself.
I really hate this idea that men and women need to be on an equal playing- well, not that they need to be on equal playing field, but that they need to be the same.
Because I'm seeing a lot of the idea that they have to be the same.
Like, women can be stronger than men.
Like, Captain Marvel really did not make me happy.
I was like, why should a woman need to be as strong as a man?
Why don't you find something interesting that a woman really is good at in real life?
And you empower normal women to do normal women things, to do them really well, and to, like, assign some kind of value to that, because that would be interesting.
That would be different.
tim pool
I think about, like, Sparta, right?
I think it's the Spartans.
I don't know if this is true, but I read that the only way a Spartan would get a gravestone is if they died in war, in battle.
lydia smith
That sounds right.
tim pool
And the only way a woman would get a gravestone is if she died in childbirth.
I don't know if that's true, but I was like, I was watching 300.
So I started like reading about Sparta and stuff like that.
ian crossland
I like your book.
tim pool
Oh, well, I was going to say like, if, if jumping into a burning building, you know, and pulling out the puppies and the children and saving them is a masculine thing, being the hero, being the strong adventure, the warrior, what would a feminine, you know, show movie be?
What would the heroic female be doing?
ian crossland
Raising Alexander the great.
lydia smith
Yeah, his mother was impressive.
jack murphy
Look, there's a phrase, there's a saying, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.
tim pool
Interesting.
jack murphy
Right?
ian crossland
Genghis Khan's mom.
jack murphy
It's the moms that put ideas into the kids' heads, and it's the women that the men desire that spur men into conquest, into creation, into building things, and to protecting and preserving things.
tim pool
So like Game of Thrones, where you have the women who are, you know, high ranking positions who are royalty or whatever, and the men are all fighting the war and stuff.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I don't, who got this idea that it's like, it's better to go to war and get chopped up in a meat grinder than to stay at home and to take care of the farm and the kids.
tim pool
But that's even still, we're talking about the peasant class or the working class.
Yeah.
In looking at Game of Thrones, you had tons of female characters who were in positions of great power, who were directing the men to go into the meat grinder and go to war for them.
And so there was a lot of drama and a lot of power behind what they did.
You look at those characters, like Cersei Lannister was extremely powerful.
Now, mind you, I mean, the show kind of trailed off and nobody cares anymore, but I'm using it as an example that you've got a lot of shows where you can see female power and how they wield it and how it's represented.
And it's dramatic and it's fantastic.
jack murphy
I mean, look, there's in and we're talking about Spanish, Latin culture and Spanish language.
It's El Sol.
Right.
Masculine and La Luna.
lydia smith
Yep.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
Right.
jack murphy
OK.
And then and then it's it's also Mother Earth.
Right.
So we we have in us, in our history, in our archetypes, in our DNA, in our evolution, this idea that there are polarities.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Jordan Peterson.
jack murphy
And you need them both.
And that like the great caretaker.
That guards us all and provides this warm, safe, wet environment for us to live in.
You know, it's female energy as well.
tim pool
You know what's really crazy?
What's the stereotype of when a soldier is dying?
What does he yell?
ian crossland
He screams out for his mother.
tim pool
Yes, he does.
He doesn't yell dad.
lydia smith
Nope.
tim pool
He yells mom, mother.
ian crossland
You lived inside her for nine months.
tim pool
That's crazy.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
That to me is one of the greatest disrespects of modern feminism.
That there is kind of... It feels... And I'm not saying this of all women, I'm not saying this of all feminists, but there is a general, like, ignoring of the power of motherhood and femininity.
lydia smith
Kinda gets me.
jack murphy
Diminishment.
unidentified
Like, one of my friends was posting... Not just ignoring, they are tearing it down.
tim pool
So, one of my friends posted on Facebook how she got... I don't know what the right word is for it, but she can't have kids anymore.
By choice, she went to a doctor.
lydia smith
Oh, tubal ligation.
tim pool
I guess it's like, you know, but more than that, like irreversible.
jack murphy
Is it a hysterectomy?
tim pool
No, no, no, not a hysterectomy.
ian crossland
But where they use like high heat to sear it or something?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So it was a tubes tied, followed by cauterization.
And they were celebrating that they'll never be a mother.
And I was like, why do you feel that way?
You know, like, why would you go through that?
I mean, it's your life.
You can do what you want.
I'm not telling you you can't do it.
I'm just curious.
Like, why?
And I wonder if it's a product of Society telling young women not to be this way and then you think about like Who's that woman?
Abigail Schreier, I think?
So Joe Rogan had this this woman on Who is talking about like rapid onset gender dysphoria and stuff and how it's typically young women being told they're trans because they like doing certain masculine things And so it feels like there's two fronts here that are targeting young women and taking away their agency.
One, telling them that they shouldn't like what they like.
There was a Reddit post that went pretty viral.
I think you might know what I'm talking about.
Oh, you gotta look on your face like you knew this one.
No, it was a couple saying, we're raising our daughter to be genderless, but she keeps demanding pink dresses.
lydia smith
Or three-year-old.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, whatever.
And I was like, that's fine.
Maybe that's what she wants.
Like, why would you deny that if your kid has made a choice?
You know what I mean?
So then they're telling their kid not to want these things, and then when their kid says, okay, they go, aha, now you should go to the doctor and get hormone therapy or something.
jack murphy
Right.
So one of the main concepts of critical race theory is queering, right?
So queer is not a noun anymore.
It's a verb.
And it means to break down barriers.
It means to change categories, right?
Like to queer something means to take it from what it is and transform it into something else.
Usually like it's opposite.
tim pool
I never heard this.
jack murphy
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
James Lindsay writes about it all the time.
And so it's you queering a thing.
Right.
That's why you can have, you know, straight, otherwise cis, whatever girls calling themselves queer.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
Is because in their mindset, they're like trying to help, you know, shred the boundaries.
And now this is a theme that we see everywhere right now, which is the elimination of boundaries.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
You can see it from globalism.
You can see it in social media.
You can see it with the pandemic.
You can see it with gender.
We are the last 20, 30 years have been about trying to obliterate boundaries.
So that there's no way to actually identify who you are.
One of the ways that you identify who you are is by identifying what you're not, right?
And you can take note over here and over there and over there.
And then you get a sense of self.
And that sense of self leads to individualism and individual accountability.
And it leads to capitalism, ultimately.
tim pool
So, so what they're trying to do is basically we'll all be wearing gray jumpsuits with shaved heads.
And, uh, well, it's, it's what, uh, what's that?
lydia smith
Harrison Bergeron.
tim pool
Yes.
Harrison Bergeron.
You're familiar.
jack murphy
Oh my God.
Yes.
I mean, just here talking to you guys, I have my IQ limiter on just so, just so I can fit in.
lydia smith
I'm highly offended.
tim pool
The thing in your ear, we actually have a program running to make sure Jack doesn't run circles around us.
In fact, all of the guests on this show, everyone, except for me, And it's a constant screech.
jack murphy
That's your secret.
ian crossland
You said something very interesting, Lydia, about men and women being on an equal playing field.
And that metaphor made me think of a football field.
And you would never put a man and a woman on a football field together because the man would dominate the woman.
Yep, that's funny.
lydia smith
99.9.
That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said that.
I was like, if you put them both on a football field, they're not going to be anywhere near the same.
But if you want someone to give your kids the right ideas, You're not going to ask a dad to do all of it.
You're going to need a mom.
tim pool
Well, more importantly, I think mother and father can provide different perspectives for the kids.
But if your kid needs nourishment, you're not going to be like, suckle the teeth of papa.
unidentified
You're going to be like, the dad can't do that.
ian crossland
So maybe men and women should be on equal playing field metaphorically sometimes, but sometimes not.
jack murphy
Men should be treated equally under the law.
tim pool
Right.
jack murphy
And have agency.
I got in trouble a long time ago for writing a satirical piece that was trying to just help women understand that they need to have agency.
Feminism is about taking away women's agency.
And that's why you see people criticizing the Supreme Court nominee, right?
Because she had kids and babies.
She's a terrible person.
She made this choice.
Or when women are like, I just want to stay home with the kids.
tim pool
You know what I love about Amy Coney Barrett?
They're like, she's literally in a cult where she thinks she's subservient to her husband.
She's a handmaiden and going to be nominated to the highest court in the country and probably one of the most powerful people on the planet.
jack murphy
So none of it makes any sense.
And the way that we know for sure that none of it makes any sense is in the Scandinavian countries where they're the most liberal and they give people the most freedom and they can choose whatever jobs they want.
And yet more women choose jobs that involve people and care, and men take jobs that involve things and thinking.
It happened naturally and they're mad about it.
tim pool
But apparently it's worse.
lydia smith
It's way wider.
tim pool
Yeah, so apparently in the Scandinavian countries, the more equality they offered up and opportunity, the more the gender divide expanded.
lydia smith
I forgot about that.
tim pool
It makes me laugh.
So I guess the way I see it is necessity comes first.
If you're in a country and a woman has to work, she will work.
If a man has to work, he will work.
If a man has to stay home to watch his kids, he will stay home to watch his kids.
Rick Moranis, famously.
Famous actor in the 80s.
I could be wrong about this, but I believe his wife died, and so he bowed out of Hollywood because he needed to be there for his kids.
So, the necessity drives first.
Give someone a socialized state, like a social program.
I'm not saying socialism, I'm saying social programs, where their kids can have daycare, and it's covered, don't worry about it.
Then what happens?
If you've taken away the risk, the choice comes into play.
And the men choose the jobs and the things, and the women choose the family and the raising the kids.
That's what we see in Scandinavia.
ian crossland
In this house, I don't want to clean the basement at all, but I'll carry boxes in all day, man.
tim pool
Don't you make me use a broom!
ian crossland
It's just a natural, like, deep desire.
I've just got this, like, I don't want to clean, man.
I'm not good at it, I'm not attentive to the detail of the grime, but I'll lift the boxes.
I'll carry all the stuff, happily, because I'm building muscle, it's kind of good, I like it.
jack murphy
Yeah, it's almost as if we are who we are in part or if not 100% due to the hormones in our biology and the way we're built.
We're all here to perform a role, right?
And it's very clear what my role is.
My role is to protect and provide And it's very clear what a soft feminine woman's role is to provide, you know, happen in our relationship.
And neither one of them is like better than the other.
They're both important and necessary to make a whole.
ian crossland
So feminism or being feminine is very different, is something very different from feminism.
lydia smith
Yes.
jack murphy
Yeah.
ian crossland
The collective movement is based around feminine energy.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
What about men being feminine and women being masculine?
jack murphy
I think it's all, it's all spectrum, right?
It's like, these are group averages.
So you're definitely going to have men with a little bit more of a feminine energy and women with a little bit more of a masculine energy.
It's not clearly just going to be one or zero, but they do gather around the means outside of, you know, in their sort of bimodal distribution, I think is the term.
ian crossland
The Kenzie scale.
jack murphy
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's like a sexuality scale, a one through seven.
And that people, I don't know, most people are either three or four.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm not super familiar with that.
But the thing that bothers me the most about feminism is that it comes in with a name kind of like Antifa.
It's interjecting the idea of a strong feminine.
And I'm like, when you look at it, all you're getting is watered down versions of males.
And that is so demeaning to women.
It boils my blood.
I was like, what's special about that?
You're just a second rate man.
I have time for that.
Sorry.
jack murphy
Well, and that's what's playing out on the national scale, whether we all all of us know it or not.
This is a need for more masculine energy, a leadership and also a reestablishment of categories and boundaries, which is why we see people wanting to pull back from globalism.
That's why we see people thinking social media is not healthy for them all the time.
That's why we think that's why we see social distancing is a good thing in terms of in times of a pandemic.
And that's why we need to have clearly defined gender identities and gender roles, because boundaries matter.
And boundaries that you let things in when you want, let things out when you want.
No boundaries means there's no people, no thing.
There's nothing.
If everything is everything, then nothing is anything.
tim pool
That's why I say it's a chaotic and destructive force.
jack murphy
Yeah, you got that.
tim pool
That's why I say it's a chaotic destructive force.
It's just, you know, at one point it was anti-globalist, now it's pro-globalist, and now it's just moving around randomly burning down buildings and destroying things with no real purpose or plan.
jack murphy
Well, let's talk about that.
To what extent are these people just spontaneously deciding to go do this or that or burn this or attack the federal courthouse or whatever?
Or to what extent are they being guided and led?
tim pool
to a great extent. But it's opportunistic in the sense that there are people in politics who
want to channel that rage towards something they can win with and I think the Democrats
tried using that. I think that they saw the anger. So this is why... It is what it is.
Well, right.
This is why we had all this crazy rioting anti-war stuff during Bush.
And then as soon as Obama won, they were gone.
Because it was being manipulated and weaponized.
But now the internet is guiding it.
Now there's people online saying, go do this, and they just do.
So now it's just randomly popping up and it's out of control.
It's like a flame that can't be put out.
jack murphy
Do your thing, Twitter.
tim pool
Yeah, it's it's it's one of things I explained to my friend that you know, she asked me how do we stop all the crazy
cancel culture stuff and I said like the simple answer really is Donald Trump and the Republicans for one reason.
Social media companies and media have no problem banning conservatives who get out of line, but they're allowing the
left get a line.
We need to set the boundaries for the left because these companies won't do it.
So if we allow them, if we tell Antifa, you burning down these buildings and killing people worked for you, it'll get worse.
If we collectively reject all of that and say no, and they realize their temper tantrum doesn't work, we have to be the ones setting the boundary.
Because the big tech firms aren't going to do it.
They're going to allow them to organize and incite violence.
ian crossland
Also, I would think along the lines of people thinking emotionally and not logically, rather than looking at it like stopping cancel culture, because you're just saying stop cancel culture and you're putting it out there, say what you want it to be.
tim pool
Allow people to speak freely.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Freedom of speech.
jack murphy
What I've been telling people is look for love, find love.
Look for hate, find hate.
It's your choice.
And I'm in the look for love camp.
And that's the message I keep trying to spread.
Look for love.
Because if you look at almost every situation you can find That.
And it's just when you're constantly focused on finding the hate, when you're constantly focused on trying to find one little word that Donald Trump did or didn't say in his debate, you're going to find it.
These people on the left, they right now, their whole radar system is like, got to find hate, got to find oppression, got to find negativity.
And what does that do to you on the inside?
tim pool
It rots you.
jack murphy
It rots you.
And maybe it comes from the inside and you're rotten already.
I don't know, but it's a cycle.
tim pool
This is why I was saying, like, last week, jokingly, that, you know, in 30 years, you could make a funny little, like, short film where someone finds the old ruins of the New York Times building, and it's, like, decrepit-looking, and, like, windows are busted out, and they go inside with their flashlight, and they're all scared, and then they see a journalist!
And they're wearing a suit, it's all ripped up and tattered, and their hair is, like, half-fallen out, and they've got, like, missing teeth, and they're like, That's going to happen.
And they like zombies and they latch on and they're like, say something offensive.
And then you do start writing about it frantically, like desperate to just find that rage and
complain about something.
And that's that's the future I envision for these people.
Well, unless they collapse.
unidentified
And it's how are we going to eradicate that?
jack murphy
That's going to happen.
It's going to keep going.
tim pool
I know.
The like zombified journalists looking for, you know, just to write about anything.
jack murphy
When you're describing this scene in my mind, I'm seeing the animation from early Scooby-Doo cartoons.
You know what I mean?
Like that zombie guy in a suit with his tattered suit and the glasses.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's kind of like, how would you eradicate a barren field?
You would, you would plant trees.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Place it with something else.
ian crossland
I don't know that Antifa, this is necessarily a barren field.
It could be a raging fire that you have to put out before you plant the trees, but eventually you're going to have to put something new.
jack murphy
Well, no, this is an excellent point.
This is an excellent point.
It's time to build.
We need builders.
This ties in with masculine energy.
We need to build things, build good things.
tim pool
Build an ark.
Maybe.
jack murphy
I mean, you guys are definitely, you guys are definitely building the arc here.
I saw it with the green beans and the apple cider vinegar.
unidentified
The beans that last for 30 years.
jack murphy
But I'm not the only one talking about this.
tim pool
That's Ian, by the way.
I didn't buy those.
unidentified
I'm going to town.
jack murphy
There's like 94 cases of green beans.
tim pool
That's not that many.
unidentified
At least.
lydia smith
We're building a boat out of green beans.
jack murphy
At least.
But no, there's people in the tech world and there's people in other industries that are identifying clearly that this is the time to Build.
And it's these people that are the ones who are focused on hate all the time.
They never build anything.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
They don't build.
tim pool
They tear down.
jack murphy
And if you are a builder, you don't have time for hate because you're too busy building your thing.
lydia smith
Correct.
jack murphy
So we need builders.
And who?
What kind of energy builds things?
I don't know.
lydia smith
Well, feminine.
tim pool
How about we go to Super Chats?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
jack murphy
Let's do it.
Let's get some orange ones.
tim pool
You want to shout out your social media before we get started?
jack murphy
Yes.
JackMurphyLive on Twitter.
JackMurphyLive.com.
And if you like what I'm talking about, masculinity, masculine energy, I have an all men's network, a national network with hundreds of men.
And we share three common values.
Masculinity, sovereignty, and brotherhood.
And we work together every day, all day, honoring those values, doing programming, doing events, doing activities, and building things.
Building things together as our response to all this chaotic energy in the world today.
Liminal Order.
Liminal-order.com.
Get the book, Democrats are Deplorable, on Amazon, Jack Murphy Live.
Thank you, Tim.
tim pool
No, no, no, right on.
I'm not trying to rush you or anything.
unidentified
Love it.
tim pool
Yeah, you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Timcast.
Make sure you subscribe, because we do the show Monday through Friday, live, 8pm.
And you can also follow at Ian Crossland on all those... Yeah, follow me on Twitter, a lot of that stuff.
ian crossland
Instagram.
tim pool
Yeah, and of course, at Sour Patch Lyds.
Sour Patch L-Y-D-S.
And we're going to read your Super Chats!
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
So don't forget to smash the like button if you have not.
It must be smashed.
There's many people watching, and we should have more likes, because otherwise you're just saying you hate us, and well, I guess it's true.
jack murphy
Tim needs love.
Tim needs love.
tim pool
Yeah, we need love!
Yeah, yeah, Jack said find the love.
jack murphy
Find the love.
It's right there on the like button.
Also, subscribe to Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.
Also, that's love.
tim pool
That's love for sure.
Well, give Jack love too.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some of these.
Zachariah says, did anyone else see the pics of the earpiece Biden was using?
Did you see anything like that?
jack murphy
I saw something that tried to say this was that, whatever.
tim pool
He had a pen in his sleeve.
jack murphy
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, wouldn't they all go up there with mics just in case they can't hear Donald Trump and they can hear the producers or whatever?
I mean, isn't that standard?
tim pool
You know what's really funny about this thing?
So people are claiming that Joe Biden was wearing a wire because he like fiddles with his, you know, lapel and then you see a black line squiggle down his shirt.
The funny thing is, I have no idea what it was.
Yet Facebook has determined it was the crease of his shirt.
How?
I have no idea because I don't know what it was either.
So I'm like, how can you falsify this claim when you're just speculating the same?
Well, I think it was just a crease in his shirt.
How do you know?
Were you there?
No?
Well then, get your fact check off Facebook, dude.
That's the stupidest thing ever.
jack murphy
Those guys, the social media, Twitter, all of them trying to be the arbiters of fact is a bad road.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Justin O'Toole says, did the couple not decline to pursue charges, hence why trespassing charges were dropped?
I think this will help them in fighting their own charges.
That's a reference to the McCloskeys, I believe.
So they're not charging the people who trespassed, yeah.
Crayson says, as a red coat, American politics is my favorite reality TV show.
However, Trump, win or lose, your country will need to address and resolve the fact that one of your political parties is openly corrupt and outright evil.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
At least one.
jack murphy
At least one?
Both.
That's the whole point.
They're all corrupt.
They're all in bed with the corporations and the military.
None of them have your best interests at heart.
That's why we elected Donald Trump to go after the UNA party.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Dipdopdoopity says, I think you should have Chris Ragon or his co-host Colin Moriarty on the show.
I know your relationship has been tense, but he's a true liberal.
The co-host of the podcast is a conservative, and Chris has been labeled a conservative because of association by mainstream press.
I think he would make for some interesting dialogue on both of your perspectives on Trump.
So, Chris said something on Twitter, like, that politics is very personality-driven, and so he thinks Trump could, you know, I'll try to keep it family-friendly, do something very disgusting to an animal, and then air it on a children's TV program, and his supporters would find the backwoods version of Yas Queen to yell.
And my response was, Donald Trump could overpay his taxes by millions, and they would find a way to claim he paid no taxes.
And then he responded with record time.
I'm assuming he was trying to imply that I was the person just blindly and zealously defending Trump, when my actual point, which I responded was, The people who claim only Trump people are like this and ignore the fact that they literally do the exact same thing are blind to what's really going on.
That was my point.
Yeah.
And of course, none of them want to acknowledge it because they're the exact same.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
They're pointing the finger at the mirror and going, yeah, you're a fascist.
And it's like, it's you dude.
jack murphy
It's that Spider-Man meme dude.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
unidentified
It totally is.
tim pool
Spider-Man.
Cult says, why are Dems so freaking evil?
And why won't YouTube let me put the full name of Dems in this chat?
Oh, that's weird.
lydia smith
That is weird.
tim pool
Why are they so evil?
unidentified
Hmm.
jack murphy
Dems?
Demons?
tim pool
Democrats.
ian crossland
It's that collective mindset.
It's that groupthink that's dangerous.
The individuals are usually pretty cool if you get them in a room one-on-one.
lydia smith
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
Alright, we got one here from Bahica.
If the world needs to get on the progressive path, Trump needs to win.
I hope Americans understand and choose him with a landslide showing the world an affirmative narrative of progressiveness.
Trump for USA.
I'm not sure I follow completely.
lydia smith
He's talking about, like, really being progressive.
tim pool
Oh, I see.
V City says, did you see the article from the Inquirer out of Philly that memory sticks and a computer used to program voting machines were stolen from an elections warehouse?
They said the laptop had been remotely disabled, but didn't mention the memory sticks.
lydia smith
Is that what Trump was talking about?
Bad things happen in Philadelphia?
unidentified
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
Double check it.
jack murphy
The gang does the election.
lydia smith
Right, seriously.
Like, literally.
It's a mafia.
tim pool
Yep.
It's gonna be rigged.
haven't lived in california for ten years my parents got mail-in ballot for
me today please tell me how this won't be a big election yet
is going to be rated as a all political pilots as tucker is being critical of trump
at the moment well because tucker is a man of principle yet he really is
leonidas as i got a poll call tonight When they asked who I would vote for, I said, I'll take the bully.
Yeah, now they're going to write, that must mean Biden.
Bully?
Bullies, that's with a B, Biden.
Jonathan says, hey Timcast IRL crew, mostly Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Oh, hello.
tim pool
I was polled today for the first time ever.
It was definitely skewed towards a Dem candidate here in GA with very specific questions about him.
Have any of you ever been polled?
Love the show.
Trump 2020.
lydia smith
I've done some of that phone polling.
I did some of the phone polling.
We called people and we read them weighted questions about different candidates.
And I remember reading through and I was like, this is how it works.
I see how the polling works now.
It all makes sense.
tim pool
Donald Trump recently threw a bag of puppies, hypothetically, into a burning building.
Do you support this?
So, okay, so you don't support Trump.
Okay, got it.
You know, they'll ask you very specific questions.
Donald Trump recently did this, and I'll tell you something really, really bad.
Do you support him?
jack murphy
You were talking about sales techniques before.
That's one, priming.
ian crossland
Who writes the polls?
That's a big deal.
tim pool
But many of these polls, they show you the questions.
That's the point.
You can look at what the question was.
And most of the polls that are tracking Trump are on the level.
They'll say something like, out of the prominent candidates today, who would you choose?
And then people get like five or two choices.
ian crossland
Are there polls that are like, 57% of the polls say that this is happening, but 43% say... So it's like a poll about polls.
Have they gone that meta yet?
tim pool
I don't know.
Maybe.
ian crossland
I guess that wouldn't be a poll.
lydia smith
That'd just be a statistic.
tim pool
A poll about polling?
lydia smith
We polled pollsters!
tim pool
Wait, wait.
It's not just Obama.
It's Biden.
support your work, Tim. Thanks for everything you do.
Appreciate it.
Akapat says Obama's depravity is criminally underrated. The past he
gets on everything is sick. Critical race theory politics came to mainstream
turbocharged by him in 14 with Ferguson. Conservatives were ridiculed for their
unidentified
alarm as a crept in. Yep. Wait, wait. It's not just Obama.
jack murphy
It's Biden. Let's never forget. Joe Biden is the king of rape culture. Okay.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
jack murphy
He was the one who decided, no, he is the one who got baited by the fake one and four rape stats.
And then it was Biden that pushed the title nine reform that changed the face of all the universities, put men on the defensive, gave the rights to the accuser and gave weight to this bull crap notion that a quarter of every girl that goes to college gets raped.
That's Joe Biden.
Joe Biden did that.
And the first thing he's going to do if he gets elected is roll back all of the reforms and go back to rape culture and go back to persecution.
ian crossland
And he allegedly raped that girl that worked for him, Tara Reade.
lydia smith
This is technically correct.
unidentified
Pushed her up against the wall while she was working for him.
ian crossland
That's as deep as I'm going to go.
But this is the guy.
I mean, she was like, I don't know if she lied.
tim pool
And her mom called in to CNN and said, my daughter, this happened.
lydia smith
Yep, that was it.
tim pool
Memory hold gone.
Not Joe Biden.
Media loves him.
lydia smith
Democrats do no wrong.
tim pool
We got one for you.
Eduardo says, Jack Murphy is on the money when it comes to South America.
They live under the Sistema de Castas Colonial, where whites or people close to white are at the top and blacks and dark-skinned mixed are at the bottom.
jack murphy
Indeed, they're called peninsulares.
tim pool
So have you been to Brazil?
jack murphy
I have not been to Brazil.
I've been to Ecuador.
I've been to Mexico.
I've been to Argentina.
I have been to Peru.
I've been on the Caribbean, Puerto Rico, etc.
tim pool
So I've been to Brazil several times, and I actually have a couple friends down there, people I know, some are Brazilian.
And this one guy told me that racism is really funny in Brazil, because it's very different to how it works in America.
He said that basically everybody is trying to have their kids be whiter and whiter, and they view it as a privilege, and it's a good thing.
And so often you'll get a circumstance where two people who are not particularly white will accuse each other of not being white, while they brag that they are.
And he was like, it's really funny.
You'll see like, you like, like two guys who are like, not, not like, you know, black or anything, but they're very dark skinned, pointing at each other, screaming about how they're not really white.
And it's a really weird kind of racism that exists in Brazil.
jack murphy
Yeah, Brazil is slightly different than the rest of Latin America because they have a big Afro community from slave trade and stuff.
And so there was a lot of miscegenation and intermarriage and interracial relationships there.
Brazil is its own particular case, but he's spot on with, they're called peninsulares.
Why?
Because they're from the Iberian Peninsula, Spain and Portugal.
And these are the people at the top of the caste system.
And these are the people that send their kids to Georgetown University and whatever in the United States.
To think that they're just going to put themselves in some group of disaffected people of color category when for centuries they've been fighting to say that they're white is just counter, you know, it's just facts wrong.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Eric A. says Ibram X. Kendi got paid $240,000 by Fairfax County, Virginia for speeches and K-12 history books.
Critical race theory thrives in the shadows from a lack of understanding.
Once people understand exactly what it is, the ideology will wither and fade.
jack murphy
Part of the problem with critical race theory is there is no core.
So if you keep asking questions and digging and digging, there is nothing to get down to to really attack.
But I'm telling you, there are people, my inbox is filled with people from different jurisdictions around the country appalled at what is happening in their schools with critical race theory.
Parents or anybody who's out there, look out for these things called courageous conversations.
They just say, oh, we're just going to have a conversation with the students.
We're just going to use this courageous conversations map.
But in the map, it says you have to examine your whiteness, be uncomfortable, work towards being anti-racist.
And of course, the ultimate anti-racist does what?
Yields positions of power to people of color.
Watch out.
Courageous conversations, parents, please.
And if you have anybody Who has got any concerns or you see it in your school, please contact me.
I'm in communication with other journalists and other people that are working on this issue, especially Christopher Rufo.
He was just on my podcast recently.
He's doing he's the one that that got this to Trump called Trump out.
Trump acknowledged him, called him, sending him the pen that they signed the executive order with.
unidentified
Wow.
jack murphy
Like, yeah, like a big deal.
And so we're fighting and we're, you know, trying to do something about it.
Check out my podcast with Christopher Rufo.
lydia smith
Typical.
tim pool
What's your Jack Murphy podcast?
jack murphy
Jack Murphy Live.
tim pool
Let's see.
Solwin says, I'm a history major, did my senior project on fascism.
There is no academic definition of fascism, so it's hard to talk about, but it's characterized by centrality of state.
The state is the only solution to societal problems.
Interesting.
Power.
Nathan Rawlin says, look into Karlyn Borisenko and Unsafe Space on YouTube.
These are former leftists with a lot of knowledge on how this critical race theory garbage has infiltrated our schools and how long it has been around.
jack murphy
She and I have worked, she and I have actually worked with some of the same people in education.
I was in education for many years.
Back on that fascism one, Joan Goldberg, he's kind of garbage now, but like, Liberal Fascism is a fantastic book if you want to actually really read about it.
ian crossland
Unsafe Space was actually on Tim Kess' IRL.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was Carrie Smith.
ian crossland
There's an episode of IRL with Carrie.
lydia smith
Yeah, she's so cool.
tim pool
Royal Raptor says, man, I just wanted to play video games and feminists invaded the space and have corrupted the industry.
Now I am here at Timcast IRL and heavily involved in politics.
jack murphy
That's right.
tim pool
They wanted that, though.
They want people to get political.
They want that because they want to create enemies.
Then they can say, look at the evil men are attacking us without.
So so one of the things the feminists love doing on Twitter.
So I this is funny going back to like Occupy.
I was friends with a lot of these feminists.
Whenever they would get a troll, they would retweet them.
And I'd be like, this person is insulting you, why would you retweet it?
Because I'm not going to back down.
I'm like, no, you're making it worse.
They're like, well, I'm not going to stay silent.
And I'm like, no, you're making it worse on purpose so you can claim that you're a victim being attacked by evil men to justify your political position.
And that's exactly what they were doing.
jack murphy
Gamergate.
Monumental.
Monumental.
tim pool
That was like the first big war, battle in the war.
jack murphy
Yep, social media.
tim pool
Dan Fitzpatrick says, Tim, your impression of the crying kid reminds me exactly of Louis C.K.' 's joke about the kid he calls Gizanthropus and his weak mother apologizing.
lydia smith
Oh, my goodness.
jack murphy
Tim's impressions have been on fire tonight.
lydia smith
Yes, I've been enjoying this.
tim pool
Well, the mom?
jack murphy
All of them.
All of them, dude.
You've like busted out at like 10 different voices.
lydia smith
On fire tonight.
unidentified
You really have.
tim pool
Like who?
I know that I did the mom thing.
jack murphy
You did moms, you did Putin, you did Xi, you did Biden, you did Trump, you did them imagining they're at some big global national security negotiation.
I didn't know if this is a new thing, dude.
unidentified
You've got characters.
tim pool
The mom thing actually is, I'm imitating Brandon DiCamillo from CKY.
When he liked this prank where he drove up to a fast food restaurant, and he was like, the kids are screaming in my ears!
And that's like, that's the voice I'm ripping him off.
unidentified
Beautiful.
jack murphy
Feels great.
Feels great right here.
tim pool
Yep.
High-pitched, whiny.
lydia smith
Really high-pitched.
jack murphy
We got the trouble down over here.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm going to have to work on that here.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe I'll do some, you know, Freedom Tunes.
jack murphy
Freedom Tunes?
tim pool
Yeah, Freedom Tunes.
Have you seen it?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, we had him on a couple times.
jack murphy
Oh, sweet.
tim pool
We were talking about potential voices we can do.
I don't want to give away some of the jokes, but there was a really, really funny joke we had where Seamus and I were talking, and then we made a Lord of the Rings joke that would work really, really well for modern politics.
I don't want to give it away because he might end up doing it, and it's going to be amazing.
But it requires doing some pretty good voices.
Akabat says, True believer.
Woke people say they want to end oppression.
But what they want more than that is revenge.
Human hearts are pretty sick.
Trusting our hearts can be bad.
Noble intentions aren't always noble.
Look at its fruit.
lydia smith
Yep, that's what Christianity says.
ian crossland
We were saying earlier that you were like, you suffer vengeance as well.
lydia smith
Yeah, well, we were talking about the death penalty.
I'm a little bit vindictive, and I think there are things that you can do that definitely deserve a closing of the book.
But there's too much room for error.
There's too much human room for error.
ian crossland
I think I need to calm my vengeance.
tim pool
You know, we were having this conversation, and I was like, I think one of the problems is actually inefficiency.
You know, when it comes to death row, 10 years, taxpayer dollars, what if we just empowered the police to be the judge at the same time?
Then they witness it, and then they can choose to make that call for the death penalty on the spot.
Maybe we'll give them red helmets, and jetpacks, and special weapons, flying cars.
Do you know Judge Dredd?
jack murphy
I do not know Judge Dredd.
So sorry.
tim pool
That was like the general concept.
ian crossland
Sylvester Stallone.
jack murphy
Are we going to be talking about magic next?
tim pool
Judge Dredd, dude?
This is like sci-fi futuristic dystopia.
It was basically like, it's actually an interesting thought.
Think about it.
A cop arrests somebody, makes a claim to a judge, and then the judge makes a determination, or a jury.
But wouldn't it be easier if the judge was the witness?
I guess the problem is you want to separate the process so the cop has to prove it, right?
I think so.
Right, of course, of course.
That was the point of Judge Dredd, I suppose.
They were like, it's easier because there was so much crime to just give the judges guns in training and have them go out and execute people at their own discretion.
Something like that, I don't know.
Then Carl Urban did the new version.
That was really cool.
ian crossland
I didn't see it.
tim pool
Yeah, it was good.
I don't think it was like a great movie or anything.
jack murphy
I don't think they're gonna remake that one with a strong feminine lead.
unidentified
I don't think so.
tim pool
It's like killing people.
jack murphy
BLM is gonna be a favorite one.
ian crossland
Did you see Mad Max?
Thunder, was it Thunder Road?
Is that the new one?
jack murphy
Yes, that was tremendous.
ian crossland
Great female lead.
lydia smith
That was pretty good, yeah.
ian crossland
Epic superhero female lead character.
lydia smith
It can be done.
tim pool
Wonder Woman is probably the best.
ian crossland
Dude, she was my favorite as a kid.
tim pool
No, no, but have you seen the movie Wonder Woman?
jack murphy
No, I have not.
tim pool
You should see it because it's really well done in terms of... So Wonder Woman believes... Oh wait, wait, wait, with the backstory and the island with all the women.
jack murphy
Oh yeah, I did see that.
That was very good actually.
tim pool
And it was interesting because Wonder Woman was being very motherly.
Wanting to protect everybody from the chaos in the war, thinking she was idealist.
And then Chris Pine's character was a realist.
The war is an inevitability.
It's going to happen.
Sometimes people are bad.
I thought it was fantastic.
It was really well done.
She was strong.
She was physically strong.
She was a fighter.
But it was Gal Gadot, man.
She was a very attractive woman.
lydia smith
Cringy in real life, apparently.
tim pool
Oh, man.
jack murphy
Is that a mad joke?
Don't ruin it.
Don't ruin it.
tim pool
Here we go.
go. So John the Great says the debate of Paul Ryan and Joe Biden in 2012 was
equally disruptive. Ryan was composed, Biden rolled eyes, scoffed, spoke loudly
under his breath, interrupted out of time, and angered Ryan for being so disruptive.
Trump beat him at his own game. Interesting. Smackdown.
Well, I don't remember that for the most part. It's been a long time. The
Wiry says hello from MA.
Tim, I was wondering if I could shout out a charity.
Share Tanzania, ran by John St.
Julian.
It's a charity that takes care of disabled and able-bodied homeless African children.
You should have the guy who runs it on the show.
Very cool.
Well, shout out.
Let's see.
Moto A says, Tim for president 2024, US make America great again.
If anyone ever came to me and like I received papers where it said I had to serve like in some kind of public office, I'd be like, just give me a minute.
Let me get my coat.
And then I'd jump out the window and I'd run as fast as possible to be gone.
jack murphy
People ask me all the time, you know, when are you going to run for school board?
When are you going to run for governor?
When are you going to run for president?
People ask me that all the time.
It's an honor to be considered, but no thank you.
No thank you.
And that's something we need to think about, right?
What it takes to become president is unhealthy.
It selects for unhealthy people.
tim pool
I mean, Trump was perfect for it.
All of the things you need to do to win, he loves it.
jack murphy
George Washington didn't campaign to be president.
lydia smith
He quit.
jack murphy
Hell, even Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, he didn't even run.
They just named him.
And one day he was like, crap, I'm the president of the Confederacy.
ian crossland
I don't like the position.
It's too much power for one guy.
jack murphy
Yeah, I disagree.
It wasn't supposed to be like that.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was not meant to be.
ian crossland
You disagree?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think the problem we have now is that it's grown too powerful.
But I like the idea of how the U.S.
government was set up.
It's brilliant.
Three different branches.
You've got the direct representation of the people, you've got the council of elders, and you've got the executive.
So you don't have just one, you know, oppressive system.
ian crossland
You've got three!
But you've got a board of executives.
tim pool
But then you get crushed in war.
ian crossland
Well, then the president of the board could take control if there was a war.
tim pool
That's literally what we have.
ian crossland
No, we have one guy dictating everything.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
When you have a committee and then you enact, you know, dictate like emperor powers to the
one person, they never give the powers up and it creates a constitutional crisis in
terms of what your governance is supposed to be.
We have clearly defined branches, they have rules, the founding fathers were very, very
clever.
I think maybe they couldn't have foreseen rapid information technology.
It doesn't necessarily change what our rights are, but it does change how everything functions, and it's becoming very chaotic.
Because one issue is that we don't have free speech, but our public discourse is owned now on platforms by essentially oligarchs.
They can determine who's allowed to speak and who isn't.
Thus, politics is totally dominant.
ian crossland
That is freaking crazy.
I censor myself on this show.
Like, I'm... You have to.
...fully... Every day, yeah.
I mean, I can't... Don't swear.
I don't talk about, like, the deep... Well, you can swear.
...business of the globe.
jack murphy
You can?
unidentified
You can, but it'll... Dude, I've been swallowing every single word.
tim pool
Thank you for not... No, no, no, no, no, no.
ian crossland
It'll de-rank the video, though.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
ian crossland
Because this company owns the platform.
jack murphy
Yeah, okay, good.
tim pool
But, but, but, to be fair, to be fair.
Traditionally, people didn't swear because they tried to keep things professional.
Yeah.
But I never tell people they can't swear.
I always say, just keep in mind, YouTube will smack the video into the gutter and no one will ever see it.
So that's a problem.
jack murphy
Do you want to know the technology that I think is the most democratic and the freest?
It's RSS.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
RSS.
That's how I put my podcast out.
That's how almost everybody's podcasts go out.
And there's no one censoring it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jack murphy
RSS.
You just subscribe to your RSS stream and boom.
unidentified
You got it.
tim pool
This is what Twitter needs to be.
So are you familiar with the Fediverse?
jack murphy
The Fediverse?
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Like the cheese?
tim pool
No.
lydia smith
Is that a thing?
tim pool
Fed, the federated universe.
So Mines is federating, right?
Mines.com, did they do it yet?
jack murphy
I'm on Mines now, thanks to you.
tim pool
Imagine this, imagine this.
Imagine if instead of signing up for Twitter, you created your own server and then linked it to the Fediverse.
Like basically, instead of at Jack Murphy, it would be at, it would be, your handle would be jack at jackmurphy.com.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so when people load up their browser, they would just say, they would type in search Jackatjackmurphy.com, follow.
And then it's basically inverted email.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Instead of, you know, you sending it to one person, you post it, it goes to, it gets sent to everyone immediately.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's what, uh, basically what would happen is if people, you, you wouldn't have to make your own.
There could be companies that would make a federated platform where you can just sign up.
That's really easy.
jack murphy
I think Twitch is something like this.
tim pool
Mastodon was one of the big ones, but they're super SJW, so they panicked when G.A.B.
federated, and they tried blocking it and all that stuff.
You're unbannable.
If you have your own website, and you say, follow me, my handle is, you know, jackatjackmurphy.com.
jack murphy
Jack Murphy Live.
tim pool
Jack Murphy Live.
Then nobody could ban you.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Because you own the server, and they're basically just subscribing to what you're posting to your server to appear in their feed.
jack murphy
Similar to what RSS is.
Exactly, exactly.
ian crossland
But we're gonna need to decentralize the, what are they, the hosts, like GoDaddy, what are those things called?
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, what are those?
ian crossland
DNS servers?
tim pool
No, no, no, not DNS.
ian crossland
Yeah, your host, basically.
Yeah, your web host.
Because those are still centralized.
tim pool
Registrar.
ian crossland
There's like nine of them or something right now.
Some small number.
tim pool
And they can ban you.
And they've done it.
And Google has even seized domains of Daily Stormer, I think it was.
Because they were like uber trolls and white nationalists or whatever.
jack murphy
I am on Google's blacklist.
unidentified
Yeah, me too.
jack murphy
So a few months ago, I was doing a name search on myself just to check to see what's out there.
And my own website, JackMurphyLive.com, did not appear in the Jack Murphy Live results.
Didn't appear.
unidentified
Nowhere.
Wow.
jack murphy
And so I got my tech guy on it, and he starts looking at it.
And as we're looking at it, he does another search.
It all comes back.
Okay, and it was the same day that the Federalist and Breitbart and all these other companies were like, where are our search results?
And at the same time we all discovered that our stuff had been, see I said stuff there, had been taken off and then they just flipped a switch and then it was back.
tim pool
My two channels, TimCast and TimCast News, they cannot be found on Google.
You can't Google search them.
Isn't that funny?
jack murphy
And it's YouTube.
tim pool
This channel can.
Yeah, YouTube.
So here's what's really funny.
I can take one of... I post a video every day at 4 p.m.
YouTube.com slash Timcast.
You take the title of the video and paste it and guess what comes up?
Facebook.
Because I post on Facebook.
On Google, it won't show you my channels.
They're completely removed.
Timcast IRL, however, because I made it... It's actually made this year, not blacklisted.
jack murphy
You want to hear something funny?
Do you remember growing up?
I don't know if you're young enough for this, but Microsoft and PC dominated everything, right?
And to have Macintosh, Apple was like to be the outsider.
All right.
Now, guess what?
I like to use Bing.
Bing gives me the best results and it seems to be unbiased.
And now how is it that Microsoft?
is actually giving me the free data and liberty that I want.
It's a weird sort of... It's an inversion.
It is an inversion.
unidentified
It's all inverted.
ian crossland
I was using DuckDuckGo.
Have you ever used that one?
jack murphy
Yeah, that works.
ian crossland
I hear it's free and they don't track you.
As far as I know, I don't know.
tim pool
Someone's probably tracking you.
They're using a VPN or something.
ian crossland
Brave, too.
Well, there's the browser, and then there's the search engine in the browser.
So I use Brave Browser, and then DuckDuckGo is a good search engine.
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
Doobie McNasty says, this is one of the best conversations I've ever had the privilege to listen to.
Thanks, y'all.
unidentified
Thank you, Doobie.
Cool, yeah.
tim pool
Amazing.
jack murphy
Appreciate it.
lydia smith
Stay tuned, man.
tim pool
Let's see.
Roger That Trucker says, it's all to stop anyone outside of politics.
If you interfere with us, we will make your life hell.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
Oogie Boogie says, The female Judge Dredd was Captain Marvel in the Civil War 2 comics.
Straight minority reporting people in it.
This is a reason people hate Carol Danvers.
That comic series is ground zero.
Interesting.
Booker DeWitt says, I miss your conversations with Lydia.
She is very level and smart.
lydia smith
Thanks.
tim pool
Booker Catch!
Do you guys know that reference?
lydia smith
Booker Catch!
tim pool
The person who commented knows that reference.
Brian, it's Bioshock Infinity.
jack murphy
Oh, I was gonna say.
Super chat and you get an inside joke with Tim.
lydia smith
Absolutely.
tim pool
Brian O'Connor says, Tim, running away from a public role for St.
Ambrose, the teacher of St.
Augustine, he ran, was barricaded, and barricaded itself in his buddy's house and was still made bishop.
Can you imagine?
You're president!
Get over here!
No, I don't want to be president!
Do you know what demarchy is?
It's like jury duty, but for politics.
jack murphy
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Like, you one day, you'll get like a letter in the mail, and it'll be like, ugh, I got Congress duty.
ian crossland
That's what I would feel like.
tim pool
Ugh, and you gotta go in and go to Congress, and you're like, what's the bill?
There's pros and there's cons to it.
The idea is that very short terms, and bills voted on by randomly selected individuals, they would be scared to go against the will of the people, in that they're not gonna cut deals for themselves, because they're not there for that long, there's no benefits.
So if they're like, we're gonna make it so that, you know, this corporation gets a direct benefit that, you know, hurts people and all some dumb waste, they're gonna be like, I'm not doing that.
The negative is, it just becomes tyranny of the majority because everyone's scared about what the mob will do to them if they go against the mob.
You know?
So.
Interesting concepts.
Don't know if it would work.
All right, let's see.
Andy S says, if Biden thinks Antifa is only an idea, does that mean he blames Black Lives Matter for the rioting and the violence?
If Antifa is fake, then only Black Lives Matter supporters are out.
That's interesting.
jack murphy
No, they think it's the right-wing Nazi white supremacists.
By the way, white supremacy That's a good point.
Technically correct.
unidentified
I mean, yeah.
jack murphy
That in fact is actually an accurate statement.
lydia smith
Technically correct.
jack murphy
Yeah, white supremacy is an idea.
It is not an organization.
Ergo, there's nothing you can do about it.
lydia smith
I mean, yeah, Biden said so.
tim pool
And that's why when they're like Antifa doesn't exist, it's like, right, but it's an authoritarian
sect, you know, cell based group of people.
jack murphy
I have a handbook that says Antifa handbook.
I was doxxed by a woman who called herself the leader of the D.C.
Antifa cell, flying a flag that says Antifa on it.
And then I see in DC, Black Lives Matter battling with Antifa on a street painted with Black Lives
Matter with a Black Lives Matter banner hanging from the buildings as they bang war drums and go
to war. And you're going to tell me it's not real. There's a handbook, dude. And so the craziest
tim pool
thing about that is when I talk to my friends in the suburbs and they're like, the riots are
freaking me out.
And Joe Biden says it's not real.
I can't imagine how many like, you know, millennial, middle-aged people saw that and went, what?
You kidding me?
lydia smith
It's right outside.
tim pool
Because they went to the suburbs, man.
The riots did.
And I remember when they were like, Antifa's not coming to the suburbs.
Trump is lying.
And then they did.
jack murphy
What do you think about this?
In 2015, 2016, there was the, what do you call them, silent Trump voter, right?
tim pool
Secret Trump voter.
jack murphy
Secret Trump voter.
Do you think the circumstances in 2020 would lead there to be more or greater or fewer secret Trump voters?
tim pool
Greater.
jack murphy
Greater.
Yeah.
Boom.
So who cares if the polls say what they are?
Add three points.
tim pool
It's true, but I'll tell you what, man, don't get complacent.
I'm working every day, Ted.
I'm just mailing in my six ballots to four different jurisdictions.
They are dumping dump trucks full of CalTrops before you and the polling station.
And you better be prepared to walk through covered in, you know, with your bloody feet
if you really want to make sure this happens, because they're cheating, bro.
jack murphy
I'm just mailing in my six ballots to four different jurisdictions.
tim pool
Don't even joke about it.
Look up. But that's that's that's what's going to happen.
We've already saw it with Project Veritas and the Ilhan Omar stuff and all that.
The dude bragging about collecting ballots and they're blank and then paying people and all that stuff.
ian crossland
Would you suggest people vote in person?
tim pool
I don't know.
jack murphy
Why not?
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
I'm just saying, I don't know what's going to work.
jack murphy
Oh, I think a hundred percent Trump voters get out, go to the polls, forget the mail-in absentee crap, go down, pull the trigger in, or sorry, pull the lever in the voting booth and make sure it counts and make sure it's there and make sure your chat is hanging the right way and make sure you get everything all lined up and make sure it's all done and proper and you get it done.
Go to the polls.
Do not send the men.
lydia smith
Go to the polls.
tim pool
They're going to find magic ballots.
We're going to find them all.
lydia smith
I'm excited.
tim pool
They're telling us what's going to happen.
Trump's going to landslide on election night, and then a week later, Biden wins.
ian crossland
That'll be months.
jack murphy
OK, so let's let's let's really talk about that.
What is the margin of error on election night?
Small enough.
tim pool
If Trump wins small enough, that will lead to an ongoing litigation about 80 million, 80 million to 80 million mail-in ballots are expected, which means unless Trump wins with a greater gap than that, or at least half of that, 40 million.
ian crossland
But a lot of them got mailed out three weeks ago.
tim pool
The issue is there's no reasonable number.
There's none.
If Trump wins with a 10 point lead, they're going to be like, yeah, but that makes sense because 40 million Democrats have just mailed their ballots in.
We got to wait a week.
jack murphy
60, what?
120 some million people voted last time.
tim pool
What was it?
Let's see.
jack murphy
It was like 63 to 60 million.
tim pool
128 or something?
jack murphy
Yeah, something like that.
So the tally this year is going to be like 350 million votes, right?
tim pool
It depends.
What needs to happen is if Trump wins 65 million votes on election night.
and Joe Biden gets 50, there's no way Joe Biden can win.
But the interesting thing is, Nate Silver said that Joe Biden needs to win on election
night by 5% or more, otherwise he could still lose. Or he, I'm sorry, his
polling average needs to be higher than 5%.
I don't know.
ian crossland
I don't know what we can expect. You know, it's incredible to me that we've spent the last two
years talking about this stuff. Like this is what people are obsessed with in the world today is
what's going to happen in two years. And it's going to go on for two more years. And then
people are going to be talking about it again for two years straight. It's TV shows are built around
it. Bucket markets of economy are built around just this one.
tim pool
You said bucket, right?
ian crossland
I said bucket.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're good.
ian crossland
The bucket that something's wrong that this is such a big Dude, dude, dude, dude.
tim pool
Trump won because people hated Hillary, because people wanted change, because people hated the establishment.
And a lot of people like what Trump was doing.
And they're desperate.
So they're pulling out every stop, dude.
They're just screaming and hitting every button and banging and just, like, everything they got is coming after Trump right now.
Every fake story.
I love it.
I cover this in one of my segments.
Name a voting demographic.
Elderly.
Oh, Trump insulted them.
Christians.
Trump insulted them.
Soldiers.
Trump insulted them.
Latinos.
Black voters.
All of them.
Trump insulted every single one.
Women.
Trump insulted them.
There's a story for every single one.
jack murphy
Wait, did he insult tall, handsome, white guys that are 44 years old?
No.
ian crossland
But he's about to.
jack murphy
I'm good.
I'm still voting for Trump.
tim pool
I'm just imagining.
Check this out.
I'm imagining, like, there's, like, Trump is sitting in a room with a cigar, and he goes, So, uh, the soldiers?
Losers.
Christians?
unidentified
Dumb.
lydia smith
Suckers.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Where did that come from that he called the losers losers?
tim pool
He's just sitting there rattling off a list like, they're losers, they're losers.
Is he like looking at pictures of voters?
Losers, losers.
It's ridiculous.
It's not happening.
Trump is not sitting around just complaining about all these different groups all the time.
jack murphy
I think the genesis of the criticism of the military was in him saying, That there's all these generals just waiting to get a payday from the defense contractors and that's all they want to do.
And then they jumped on him for that.
And then the next day I see like, I think it was Mike Cernovich tweeted out like 50 screen caps of all these generals who the first thing they did was go to the defense contractors and take very fat, big contracts and make tons of money.
It's an actual true thing.
Look, look, Trump has been at war with the generals.
Right?
The generals wanted to go to war.
The generals want to be in Afghanistan.
The generals want to continue dropping bombs.
He is in tandem with the soldiers.
He is.
He is with the soldiers and they're together against the generals who want this war for money and for whatever reason, because they bomb stuff.
ian crossland
It's what they know how to do.
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Right.
So there is legitimate criticism to be had of the military leadership in some in some places.
And we saw him go through Badass.
We saw him go through McMaster.
Can he promote people?
Just replace them?
other. And then even though he's not military, but gosh, I can't remember the national security
guy, Bolden, that they came in and got rid of. All they want, they all want to go to
war and he didn't. And that's why they...
tim pool
Can he promote people? Just replace them? Find some like, you know, younger, excited,
actual, you know...
jack murphy
Well, he tried.
He brought one of the most exciting and innovative generals into the National Security Council, Mike Flynn.
tim pool
That's right.
jack murphy
And because Mike Flynn represented such a threat to the military establishment, an ongoing perpetual war.
And he understands fourth generation war and understands the conflict we're in.
They had to get rid of him.
He knew too much.
Flynn, they did much.
And they're still doing it.
ian crossland
You can't.
I would advise Trump to be careful with like firing or demoting generals, because that's
when the military would stage a coup.
jack murphy
You gotta have support of the troops.
ian crossland
You gotta be careful not to anger the oligarchy of the military.
tim pool
They're trying to stop him from making those moves.
Well, we are a little bit over, but I think we'll wind up.
So you wanna shout out your socials and your show and stuff like that?
jack murphy
I would love to do that.
Jack Murphy Live on Twitter, follow me there.
Jack Murphy Live on YouTube, but now all my podcasts and video content there as well.
Subscribe to the podcast.
I've got great guests coming up.
Alexander Dugan coming up.
He was an advisor to Putin.
unidentified
Wow.
jack murphy
I have had recently had on Michael Anton, who was also on National Security Council and an advisor to Trump.
Darren Beatty, same.
I've had him on as well.
So those are the kind of guests we've got coming up on Jack Murphy live.
Jack Murphy live.com is website liminal hyphen order is the group masculinity, sovereignty, brotherhood, three core values.
If you like that, come check us out.
tim pool
Right on.
And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
Subscribe to this channel.
And you can check out YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews, my other channels.
I just basically post like a segment every single hour of the day except for like 5 p.m.
But yeah, subscribe, check them out.
And of course you can follow Ian.
ian crossland
Hey, and you can also ding this bell.
After you subscribe to this channel, hit the notification bell.
tim pool
And share this video.
jack murphy
And retweet it.
And like it.
When Tim says it, he puts out a video every hour, every day.
He does.
Tim's one of the hardest working guys that I know out here.
Props to you on the grind, Tim.
tim pool
I'm just trying not to be bored.
jack murphy
That's what you said to me.
ian crossland
It inspires me to carry boxes, man.
lydia smith
That's true, yeah.
unidentified
I feel like I'm contributing to the cause.
tim pool
And you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Yes, I'm here.
jack murphy
She's blowing up.
You're like in the 40, 50 thousands now on Twitter.
I'm watching you.
lydia smith
I'm getting close.
I'm about to 45k.
jack murphy
There you go.
tim pool
That's sour patch.
L Y D S. Correct.
Yeah.
So we'll be back tomorrow.
You know, I used to, we used to announce the guests, but then we had like two cancellations and I'm like, that's so disappointing for people.
I can't do that.
So we have top secret guests coming more than one.
lydia smith
Ooh, yes.
tim pool
So it should be fun.
jack murphy
We can do that thing on election night.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, that will definitely do.
So, but should we should we hold off on announcing the plan?
Yeah, well, no, no, no.
I mean, it's like we have some people in mind who for who we want to come, but we're going to do an election night live show and we're going to make jokes and probably eat nachos or something.
unidentified
We're going to drink a lot or cry or whatever.
tim pool
It's going to be no matter what happens.
I'm laughing.
If Biden wins, I'm going to laugh.
That's my thing.
Hakuna Matata, right?
It means no worries.
Look, if Joe Biden wins, I am going to laugh at the absurdity of this country that is willing to go back.
Try and reignite this nostalgic desperation by choosing the senile crackpot crony that is Joe Biden.
That'll just be funny to me.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
That'll be funny to me.
unidentified
Okay, okay, okay.
tim pool
You got it.
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