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Sept. 22, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - State of Emergency Declared In KY Police Brace For Mass BLM Riots, FreedomToons Joins
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tim pool
a preemptive state of emergency was declared in Louisville Kentucky because
the AG is about to release information on whether or not the police who killed
Breonna Taylor will be indicted The story's rather complicated, but for those that aren't familiar, it was a no-knock raid.
They had a warrant, but they didn't have to knock, so they went in, and they got shot at first.
They fired back and they killed Breonna Taylor and this led to, it's a huge controversy.
The officers, I believe a couple have been placed on administrative leave, one has been fired, but now we're awaiting the decision as to whether or not they will be indicted.
And I think the reaction from the local jurisdiction, which is state of emergency, and a warning locking down the downtown area, blocking parking, I think we know exactly what's going to happen.
So we're going to talk all about this stuff.
I guess my warning to all of you is that we are in a new studio.
We have not yet installed the legit internet, so we are experiencing technical difficulties.
But thank you for hanging out anyway.
And we actually brought in an audio guy who fixed all the problems from the other day.
Look at that.
It's great, huh?
And we're also being joined by Freedom Tunes.
He has no name.
seamus coughlin
It's just my name is Freedom Tunes, honestly.
tim pool
Yeah, just Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
I mean, none of the audience would know my name, and if they did, they couldn't pronounce it.
It's one of those, you know?
Seamus.
Seamus McNamara Coughlin.
But let me tell you, I've gotten like Seamus Seamstress.
When you gave the warning, I thought you were going to warn people that I wasn't.
Like, I'm just warning you guys, this content might be offensive.
tim pool
Yes.
seamus coughlin
I'm not that bad.
No, I'm really not.
You know what?
My stuff, obviously, I make it clear that I'm not left-wing.
I'm very vocal about my conservative perspective and I like to make jokes, but I wouldn't say I'm edgy.
tim pool
You're not edgy?
seamus coughlin
I mean, I'm a little bit edgy, but I'm not bad.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
I didn't accuse you of being edgy.
seamus coughlin
Well, the way you asked the question, it made me feel attacked.
ian crossland
I think you're cartoon edgy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
I'm cartoon edgy, but I don't get out there.
I don't think the stuff is really adult.
It's just stuff that would probably be rated PG on television.
tim pool
Seamus, I was told adults aren't supposed to watch cartoons.
seamus coughlin
They probably are not.
ian crossland
I think these new Marvel movies are cartoons.
seamus coughlin
They basically are.
I mean, slightly better animated than Freedom Tune, slightly higher budget.
tim pool
Into the Spider-Verse was basically a cartoon.
ian crossland
Oh, that was good.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Into the Spider-Verse was very well animated, very nicely.
tim pool
What are we talking about?
seamus coughlin
We were talking about Breonna Taylor.
tim pool
It's like an emergency being declared, the cops are ready to come.
seamus coughlin
And I made it about me.
Yeah, you made it about you.
Look, this is what happens when you talk to other YouTubers, man.
tim pool
White privilege.
seamus coughlin
I know, this is literally white privilege.
tim pool
So, there's a bunch of other stories, too.
Actually, one of the officers involved, he's speaking out, saying that the good guys are being demonized and the bad guys are being, what do you say, canonized.
Is canonized the right word?
Lionized?
seamus coughlin
Well, no, I honestly think canonized is the right word because there's this sort of cult that's built up around every single person who's killed in a police shooting.
And part of the reason it's so complicated and really depressing is the cases we hear about from Black Lives Matter are sometimes a very clear and obvious example of police misconduct, and sometimes they are a very clear and obvious example of a police officer being justified, but they're all treated the same by one side of the political aisle.
tim pool
But before we get into everything, there's a bunch of stories.
Like 1619?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
So we got a bunch of stories lined up, and then obviously we got to talk about the Supreme Court.
We've been weaning to talk about this thing with Jimmy Kimmel.
Oh my gosh.
I don't know who that other guy was.
seamus coughlin
Did he respond to your emails?
tim pool
I didn't email him.
seamus coughlin
No, I say we were going to talk with Jimmy Kimmel.
tim pool
Oh, no, no, no, no.
This thing about Jimmy Kimmel where he's like it was the Emmys.
Oh, so and this guy is just yelling at him for being white.
And he's like, clap.
And Jimmy's like, you know, clapping.
It's like really weird stuff I tweeted about.
I was like, is this what America wants?
seamus coughlin
Because evidently I don't think so.
tim pool
I don't.
seamus coughlin
Dude, that's a Jeb Bush move.
He told him to clap and Jimmy listened.
He actually did.
He got a please.
tim pool
So what you're saying is that if Jeb Bush was black, it would have worked.
seamus coughlin
It honestly might have.
White privilege fails you at some point.
tim pool
I'll tell you, the problem with Jeb was that he was like, please clap.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
If Jeb was like, clap, goddammit!
seamus coughlin
Jeb is an interesting figure, and a lot of it was his timidity, unfortunately.
He just was not prepared to go up against Trump.
Neither is Biden, but that's a whole other topic.
tim pool
I can't believe a debate's really going to happen.
I think it's a lie.
seamus coughlin
Do you think it's going to happen?
I just released a cartoon about that today.
tim pool
No, I think it's a lie.
seamus coughlin
Oh, oh.
Yeah, my cartoon was about it probably not happening.
tim pool
Oh, I don't know.
seamus coughlin
I did a music video where Trump is singing to Biden.
tim pool
How could it happen?
unidentified
The debate?
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's a good question.
Yeah.
tim pool
Joe's going to be sleeping.
seamus coughlin
I think what they're going to do is they're going to put a mask on Joe, like a coronavirus mask, and then they're going to have an impersonator speaking through a microphone.
You won't be able to see Joe's mouth moving, so they'll be able to pass it off as though he's saying whatever.
tim pool
Joe's going to get involved in like a deep French fry deep fryer accident at a McDonald's, and he's going to be wearing like full body bandages.
And then it's you know, it's gonna you sound awfully young today Joe.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, come on, man All right.
seamus coughlin
All right.
tim pool
All right.
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Okay, I think I made my point.
Anyway, let's talk about this first story.
Check this out.
The cop who shot Breonna Taylor's boyfriend emails colleagues to say the good guys are demonized and the criminals are canonized as Louisville braces for AG's decision on whether to charge him and other officers over her death.
Sergeant Jonathan Mattingly wrote an email to more than 1,000 police officers Tuesday.
In an email, he defended his actions and the actions of the other officers on March 13th when Brenda Taylor, 26, was shot dead after the cops entered her apartment.
Mattingly said that Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer and top police officials had failed all of us in epic proportions.
He also claimed that he's proof the city officials do not care about police.
Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron said he will soon decide whether charges will be brought against Mattingly and two other officers involved in the shooting, and I think we all know exactly what's going to happen.
They've declared a preemptive state of emergency.
They've apparently shut down the downtown area.
No parking, no parking garages or whatever.
And checkpoints?
There's like a radius?
Yeah, I think they know there's not going to be an indictment.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, so I'm not really familiar with the specifics of the Breonna Taylor case, but what I can say, which is, I think, something most Americans would have observed by this point, and it's really sad, is that it kind of doesn't matter what the facts are.
Black Lives Matter is going to lose their mind as long as there isn't an indictment.
I mean, we know that there was a mob that, like, surrounded and attacked Rand Paul for not saying her name, even though he wrote the bill named after her.
So it just seems as if— Which would ban no-knock raids.
Which would ban—and I am not a fan of no-knock raids either, so I'm sympathetic.
Towards her cause but I don't know as much about the specifics of the story as I'd like to I'm just commenting on the fact that We have seen based on the Michael Brown case for example that it doesn't actually matter if the person's innocent or not And so BLM has lost all of their credibility Which is really unfortunate because it would be good to have an advocacy movement for people who are brutalized or unjustly killed by the police Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, you know, honestly, I don't know much about this either Tim Can you give us like a brief overview about the Breanna Taylor thing?
tim pool
I heard she was involved in a drug some kind of drug deal Well, no, no, that, so, I mean, this, depending on who you ask, you're gonna hear different stories, but, uh, the general understanding I got from reading it is they were investigating, like, this house because I guess there was, like, a drug dealer who had parked in front of it or something like that.
I'm probably getting it all wrong, so forgive me, fact-check me.
Basically, they had a, they had a, they had a no-knock warrant.
They kick the door in.
The, Brandon Taylor's boyfriend sees like plain clothes dudes and he's like,
Oh, I'm, you know, I'm being attacked.
You know, they're breaking into my house.
So he fires and I think he hit one of the cops like in the leg, I think something like that.
So the cops fired back and a bunch of the bullets hit Brandon Taylor and she died.
seamus coughlin
That's really horrible.
tim pool
And so now they're saying arrest the cops because the cops are criminals, and I'm kind of like, dude, if you say to someone, go do a thing, and then they go and do it, you can't then accuse them of being a criminal.
That's the problem.
So if you want to argue that the system is broken, well then, I look to Rand Paul, and Rand Paul is saying, you know, we're gonna ban no-knock raids, because that was the problem.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
Yeah.
I think there's an argument to be made, and this is probably the argument they're making, that the orders that those police officers followed were unjust orders, because you shouldn't just bang somebody's door down without them knowing who you are when you're fully armed.
I could see that.
But I do agree that it's a systemic problem, and I'm glad to see people like Rand Paul actually attempting to solve it, even if they're not getting the necessary or deserved credit for it.
ian crossland
Yeah, if a cop busts into a house, especially the wrong house, and the guy's armed, and the guy shoots the cop, no one's at fault.
I mean, if anything, the police organization was at fault for banging into the wrong house.
tim pool
Yeah, but if the system is designed to function that way, and the cops are like, okay, we ask cops to do this job.
We say, we've set up rules, we want you to do this thing.
Then part of that system that we've created is, kick the door and go into the house and stop the criminal, and it turns out they got the wrong house or something, but they had a warrant, No.
That's the question, yeah.
ian crossland
you can blame the individual. No. Do you go off the chain and blame the chain of command? That's
tim pool
the question, yeah. You literally blame the system and then Rand Paul says,
we're going to get rid of this thing because that was the problem here. Like file a civil
ian crossland
suit and get a bunch of money for it or something? Yeah, I'd have to think about it,
seamus coughlin
but I definitely hear what you're saying.
It's certainly a systemic problem, but again, you get into the question of whether or not following orders is a moral justification.
But that said, it's not as if these cops went into this situation thinking, we're just going to kill this innocent person.
They went into the situation thinking they were going to arrest somebody and threw no fault of their own.
It was a situation that got completely out of hand.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'd have to think about it, but I do hear what you're saying.
tim pool
Well, there are going to be riots now.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Because that's the country we live in.
That's the country we kind of decided we wanted to live in for whatever reason.
This has not been thoroughly condemned enough.
People aren't really... Like, the media has been calling it this justified outrage ever since the Michael Brown riots.
Now they word it a little bit differently, but they say, like, riots are the language of the unheard, despite the fact that these riots disproportionately hurt the kinds of communities that the left claims to be advocating for.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You think it's not enough people speaking out against it is the reason why it got here?
seamus coughlin
That could be part of it, also the fact that law enforcement was told to stand down in many instances.
It's not just about speaking out against it, it's about whether or not the government's going to do its job.
And again, I'm generally not a fan of government intervention, though I've certainly moved on some issues.
Point is, one of the things the cops should be there to do is to prevent your house or business from being burnt down, right?
I think we could all agree to that, but police were told to stand down in many places.
And so they couldn't do their job, and that's why we are where we are in many ways.
And we've been disincentivizing cops from doing their job for many, many years now.
We've been demonizing them.
And again, it's true.
Again, I mentioned earlier, I'm against no-knock raids.
I think there's a lot that can be done to improve our justice system and the way that policing is done and the way that we train officers.
But I don't know who would want to do that job anymore.
I really don't.
We've made it impossible for them.
tim pool
And there's that, I don't know if you saw that viral video where the cop pulls up to the activist and he's like, you won!
I'm quitting!
I'm out!
Two weeks and I'm gone!
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
seamus coughlin
And then what happens to these communities once there are no longer police officers in them?
You think everybody just gets together and holds hands and plays kumbaya?
No, they get rifles.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, and we're going to see some interesting things pop up.
I'll tell you this.
When the police leave, there's going to be a power vacuum and it's not going to be filled by social workers.
tim pool
Who's it going to be filled by?
seamus coughlin
I don't know, but not social workers.
Maybe gangs?
tim pool
Yeah, private security, rich people.
seamus coughlin
Ideally private security.
tim pool
Well, so you're going to have the wealthiest people having no laws held against them.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And maybe that's the real goal here.
Convince poor people to riot and call for defunding the police because you can hire these security companies to walk around you.
And I'll tell you this, man, security guards are willing to break the law to protect their clients.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Absolutely. So we've talked about this in the past and I've actually gotten a bunch of emails from people who've worked
security and Some of these security guards the super high tier ones that
get paid six figures. Yeah, they will shove a cop to the ground
Wow, yeah, so they'll surround their client and then if there's a cop who's like hey get on my way
They these security guards sunglasses earpieces. We'll just keep pushing the cops
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
And the cop will try and stop the security guard.
They don't care.
You know why?
These rich people, they got the best lawyers in the world.
They're going to take care of this guy and his family.
He's got nothing to worry about.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's interesting.
tim pool
That's the world they're trying to create.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I could see that.
Whether or not it's intentional, you also get the idea that with something like social workers.
I mean, who are the social workers going to be most often used for?
Probably people in areas where there isn't violent crime.
You're only going to send a social worker out if there's a dispute somebody wants settled that shouldn't require the use of a gun.
So you're not going to be calling social workers when somebody breaks into somebody's house or when somebody's threatening to kill somebody or threatening to rape them.
You're going to call social workers when there are much more peaceful disputes between neighbors that need to be settled, which I would agree police should not be involved with.
But that means, in parts of the country, that are more socio-economically advantaged, there's going to be another tier of policing where they're mostly going to get all of the social workers and the impoverished communities are just going to get the regular old police anyway.
So we're just going to make a two-tier system.
tim pool
So when they talk about defunding the police, they keep saying things like, we're going to have social workers who come out and help people.
Okay, what are these social workers empowered to do?
seamus coughlin
That's also a good question.
I have no clue.
And who decides whether or not you get a social worker or a cop?
tim pool
Can they make arrests?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Can they cuff people?
Do they have batons?
So I've talked about maybe like a civil guard.
So there are some countries that have civil guards.
They walk around with batons.
They have the ability to like issue fines and they have a baton.
They can crack you over the head with if you attack them.
They can defend themselves.
But they don't have guns.
Then you actually have the police force, which are armed, driving around in cars, and so there's, like, a difference.
If someone is gonna get, like, a ticket or a citation, Civil Guard comes out and says, hey, you know, wag my finger at you.
I guess we kind of have that with meter maids.
But the difference, I guess, for us is, I think we've gone through that process already, and I was thinking about this.
We had a period where we had officer-friendly.
And then criminals started attacking and killing cops.
And so the cops were like, hey, it looks like we need weapons.
Then they start making sure the cops are all armed beyond just, you know, even a gun or a baton.
They get alternate means.
They get tasers, they get pepper spray.
And so now they have like a Batman utility belt.
They walk around with these different options and they have to be aware.
There have been instances where they've gone for their taser, but grabbed their gun on accident because it's like a split second and they panic.
There was that viral incident years ago where this dude, I don't remember the guy's name, he was being arrested.
It was a BART station, which is the Bay Area Rapid Transit, I think it's called.
And they pinned this guy down and they were like, tase him!
And the guy pulls out his gun and puts it in his back and pulls the trigger right away.
And people were watching it.
So these problems have happened, and we talk about defunding the police, and we talk about bringing in social workers, and then what do we get?
You can watch any one of these videos where... Did you see the video that went viral where the guy has a knife and he's approaching the cop?
And the cop's like, don't do it!
unidentified
No, no!
tim pool
And the cop shoots him several times.
He gets up.
Then he walks over to... No, he didn't have a knife.
He walks over after getting shot several times, grabs another cop by the neck, and grabs his gun.
The cop on the ground is screaming, he's going for my gun!
He's got my gun!
And then the cop whose body camera's on aims and then bang, right in the head, like a hero.
seamus coughlin
Let's say, what would you expect?
tim pool
What happens?
That was a call for a mental distress thing.
So you get a guy and they're like, he's unwell, he's like, he's panicked and he's delusional.
Social worker comes out and the guy jumps on the social worker, choke hold, kills social worker.
You send, so okay, two social workers, right?
Maybe, because there were, you know, you two cops, okay, let's send out two social workers.
Okay, they jump on the back of the guy, choke hold, strangling the person to death.
The other social worker is hitting him, saying, stop, stop, please.
ian crossland
I think the idea is a cop and a social worker.
That's the team.
seamus coughlin
That's a good idea.
I think that, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that would definitely work better than any of the alternatives we've discussed,
but I don't even know if that straightforward policy has been proposed by anybody
saying we need to defund the police.
I'm sure they all have their own different ideas.
tim pool
The people who are saying defund the police haven't given us any real-
Exactly. Propositions.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
And then everyone else is like, just get rid of all of them.
Just abolish the police outright.
seamus coughlin
We'll be fine with them.
You know, they're just protecting private property and capital.
I love the Marxist analysis there.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And I love, you see the video in Milwaukee where they went to the guy's house and were like harassing him for hours and then he brandished a shotgun.
Then they went to the police and they snitch on the guy.
And then the cops come and they'll start cheering for the police.
Yeah.
You can't trust they actually want to get rid of the police.
If the police don't serve them, then get rid of the police.
I hope you guys are ready to live in a world based on this kind of morality policing, where they dismantle and rebuild community policing.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
You know, I wonder how long it's going to take for the left to start talking about gun control again, too.
They kind of tried after the Kyle Rittenhouse thing a little bit, but I think they knew it wasn't going to fly just because of how obvious it is you need to be armed.
tim pool
Joe Biden tweeted it!
seamus coughlin
Did he really?
tim pool
He tweeted, it's time to ban weapons of war and assault weapons.
seamus coughlin
Tim, did he tweet it or did someone who could finish the sentence tweet it for him?
No, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
tim pool
The digital avatar, titled Joe Biden, presented a published message for us, who knows where it came from, from the ether.
seamus coughlin
No, this is literally we are in the cave and the shadows on the wall are Joe Biden's tweets.
ian crossland
With the ability to print guns, I think this whole gun control thing is like out the window.
It's nonsense at this point.
seamus coughlin
That technology is only going to improve.
And it's not just that.
It's not just the fact that it's going to become impossible to regulate firearm ownership and production.
It's the fact that people now see the importance of owning a weapon.
They see how dangerous things have gotten and the fact that mobs are not very nice and they form very readily in this country at this point in time.
And they're often justified and apologized for by the media.
So why wouldn't you want a gun?
tim pool
Yeah, and that's what we saw in the Omaha story, which we talked about the other day.
You saw that story, the small business owner?
seamus coughlin
Which one?
tim pool
So this guy, Jake Gardner, they're riding down an Omaha, smashing up the windows.
His dad comes out, who's like 70, and he's telling these guys back off, shoves one of them.
Someone decks him.
So Jake Gardner runs over, and he's like, yo, who did that?
They start threatening him.
So he pulls up his shirt to show his weapon.
He goes, don't do it.
He's backing away.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
They attack him.
He pulls out the gun, he fires two warning shots.
They jump off and run away.
Then this other dude jumps on his back and starts choking him out.
And he says, for 18 seconds, he was being choked out.
And he was yelling, get off me.
He switches the gun to his left, puts it over his shoulder, bang.
Kills the dude.
The DA, it's all on video, like this dude was knocked to the ground.
He was trying to retreat.
He was saying, don't do it back.
You know, don't do it, get away.
And then he got attacked while he was on the ground.
The DA said, clear cut self-defense.
And then the mob came and he said, okay, special prosecutor, manslaughter.
seamus coughlin
That's so insane.
It's depressing how political it is.
tim pool
They said that because he was warning them to get away from him as he was retreating, that was a terroristic threat.
unidentified
What?!
tim pool
Yep.
seamus coughlin
It is a terrorist- yeah, he just has this like crazy radical political view he's advocating for with violence, which is do not attack me on the streets.
tim pool
Yes.
seamus coughlin
How insane.
tim pool
And then we have the story- I love this.
The New York Times published this.
It was like, protesters sometimes take more confrontational approach.
seamus coughlin
I love those understatements.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But wait, wait, here's the best part.
The story was literally they went to someone's house who had an American flag and screamed they were going to burn their house down unless they remove the flag right now.
They said, we will come back and burn your house down.
And I'm just like, a peaceful protest became confrontational today when they threatened to burn down the home of somebody who had an American flag.
seamus coughlin
Wait, what was the exact wording again?
A slightly more confrontational approach?
tim pool
They called it a confrontational approach or something like that.
Confrontational!
seamus coughlin
Yes, I love it!
That is one way of putting it, yeah.
tim pool
So they're desperately trying to avoid—look, the peaceful protest message, right?
Unfortunately, Black Lives Matter and Antifa have done everything in their power to take them off of that message.
Joe Biden was desperately trying to say, like, Yeah.
Of course.
i'm not a socialist you know blah blah blah and then uh... they started writing again
so the new york times can't ignore the fact that the riots are backfiring
and so they're like well well they're not peaceful they're just confrontational
unidentified
of course that's the difference just a little confrontational
seamus coughlin
Confrontational against people who didn't confront them first.
You know, you might call that threatening.
You might call that threatening.
ian crossland
Confrontation is great.
It's good.
And it's an important part of what we do.
Like if we don't confront each other, it's going to be boring.
Yes, man.
All the time.
So, but violent, you know, there's difference between confronting someone in combat, you know, being combative and being confrontational are completely different.
You can be diplomatically confrontational.
seamus coughlin
You can confront someone without threatening to burn their house down.
tim pool
Do you guys remember when Greta Thunberg said she wanted to put the politicians up against the wall?
unidentified
What?!
Greta said she wanted... I had no idea.
seamus coughlin
That sounds like a meme.
tim pool
I love your reaction to this because it's clear that, like, why this story got so big.
But yes, she was giving a speech and she was like, if they don't listen to us, we're going to put the politicians up against the wall.
ian crossland
That's hilarious.
tim pool
It's a figure of speech.
It's a figure of speech in Swedish.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I know.
tim pool
So wait, wait.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We all know the figure of speech in American English of putting someone against the wall.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like a reference to, like, the commies.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The firing squad.
seamus coughlin
Commies and fascists.
tim pool
In Sweden, it's a reference to taking someone by the shoulder and wagging your finger at them up against the wall.
seamus coughlin
Oh, man.
That poor girl.
tim pool
That poor girl.
seamus coughlin
Look at me.
I'm jumping to conclusions and believing fake news.
So she said it.
tim pool
It's a language thing.
She said it in, like, Everybody freaks out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
They're like, oh, she just came out and said, and she did this op-ed that was like very far left, like SJW editarian stuff.
unidentified
Like we got, we must end white cis heteronormative patriarchy.
tim pool
You know, how dare you?
Blah, blah, blah.
And, uh, and then she said, we're going to put them against the wall.
And Americans were like aghast.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
She came out and immediately apologized.
You know, the first thing I did was I reached out to someone who was fluent in Swedish and I said, what does it mean to put someone against the wall?
And he says, to hold them accountable.
That's it.
And I was like, is that a reference at all to like, you know, gulags and firing squads?
No, no.
It's like, you know, it's like when you're, when you're yelling at someone and you push them up against the wall and you're like wagging your finger at them.
And I kind of feel like, are you downplaying that?
Does it still come from up against the wall?
Because it can, you know what I mean?
Hold someone accountable.
Okay, well let's say you had a subversive who was trying to overthrow your revolution.
So you held them accountable by putting them up against the wall and putting a bullet in their head, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Could that still be the derivative, like the root of where the phrase came from?
seamus coughlin
I have no idea.
ian crossland
It would depend on when the phrase got created because once photographed, Uh, photography became, you know, viable.
Then you could actually see an image of someone being pushed against a wall.
And that, those images are burned in our brains.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Before the imagery, maybe it was just a long-standing phrase.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I have no idea.
tim pool
All that matters is she did not mean she wanted to line up politicians and execute them one by one if she didn't get her revolution.
seamus coughlin
That poor girl.
That's horrible.
What a misunderstanding.
My goodness.
tim pool
Yup.
So, uh, we have a funny story as it pertains to defund the police.
Alyssa Milano.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
She called the cops!
She's tweeted kind of a lot about defunding the police and she like apparently tweeted out a petition telling people like join me in defunding the police and hashtag defund the police and then when a when a when a small teenager was near her neighborhood simply shooting squirrels with an air gun which is kind of weird I mean like that but anyway You didn't do that, Tim?
seamus coughlin
You didn't go around killing squirrels in your neighborhood?
tim pool
Is an airsoft gun gonna hurt a squirrel?
seamus coughlin
Oh, was it an airsoft gun?
I know BB guns are sometimes called airguns.
So it was just airsoft.
tim pool
It was an airsoft, right?
seamus coughlin
You can take its eye out.
tim pool
They say airgun.
seamus coughlin
You never actually know.
tim pool
Okay, if they're saying airgun, that could be like a .22 pellet bright barrel.
I mean, I think that is, because apparently she heard the shots and she got scared.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And I don't think an airsoft gun would make a loud enough noise.
Like little plastic pellets.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, probably not.
tim pool
Why was he shooting squirrels?
seamus coughlin
Or maybe she heard the noises of the squirrels screaming out in agony, and that's what scared her.
tim pool
I think we should keep an eye on this kid, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah, no, I hear that.
seamus coughlin
We should call a social worker for him.
tim pool
Well, I mean, quite literally they should have.
Well, no, that is a problem because the kid had an air gun.
So she calls the cops, and now people are calling her a hypocrite because she's all about defunding the police, right?
And this was a kid who was shooting squirrels.
Which is really weird.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
I mean people know it's kind of a contextual thing It's like if you were if you were hunting small game in the woods with an air gun That wouldn't be weird, but like I guess he is just going through his neighborhood Like I guess she's shooting squirrels with an air gun is not totally unheard of or like crazy But to do it in your neighborhood is maybe kind of a weird thing to do yeah I don't know if it was in his neighborhood apparently he was like walking around various properties That's pretty weird.
tim pool
Yeah, that's pretty weird That's so weird.
I'll tell you what, man.
Do you think she was justified in calling the police if she heard a loud shot and saw somebody carrying a long gun?
ian crossland
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's a good question.
It depends on what kind of air gun we're talking here.
If it was really obvious it was a toy, then maybe not.
I definitely understand it, especially if she didn't know the parents.
But a situation like that can get out of hand.
And if you're against police intervention in virtually everything, and you think folks need to be solving their problems on their own, obviously there's a bit of hypocrisy there.
tim pool
I'll be fair to her though.
So she has this tweet where when she was talking about defunding the police She posts a photo of an MRAP and she says we've militarized the police.
Hmm So could it be that I think I agree with that by the way, right I do too I do too.
So that's why you know, I want to I want to make sure I'm being fair to Alyssa Milano And it's not I I think yeah I think she was justified in calling the cops if she's a high-profile individual and someone's walking around with a weapon Yeah.
And I think it's not necessarily hypocritical to say that police have been militarized in many areas they shouldn't have been.
And then to want to call a couple sheriffs to come and deal with someone walking around your property who's armed with a long gun.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think that's fair.
tim pool
The bigger problem with this story is how defund the police doesn't mean anything.
seamus coughlin
Defund the police.
ian crossland
Defund the place because what it sounds like is I don't like the way that guy runs
So I want to take his shoes away well to punish him and make him and somehow that's gonna make him a better runner
seamus coughlin
Well defund the cop right exactly And I think the talking point you used to hear was that we
need to train the police more properly or better Which is something I would agree with I don't know how that's
compatible with defunding the police exactly I saw my police one of my best buds
He's a he's a former police officer, and he also served in the military in both Iraq and Afghanistan
So he told me, and again this is his experience, this is anecdotal, but I mean he told me based on his experience and how well he was trained with a firearm, most police officers were not that great a shot and didn't train with their handguns often enough.
tim pool
I've heard that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So I was actually told something really scary once in New York by somebody with, I'll just call it a source who had knowledge of the NYPD.
They didn't work for the NYPD.
They worked in a legal capacity and they had done litigation with the police.
They said this.
They're like, you ever see Fight Club?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
You've never seen Fight Club?
seamus coughlin
It's been spoiled for me though, so.
tim pool
That's fine, it's fine.
There's a scene where the main character, I guess Edward Norton's character, we call him Jack, He's on a plane and he's explaining how he works as like this insurance, like cost prevention or whatever is, I don't know, cost analysis guy.
He said, if the cost of the lawsuits are less, wait, basically the idea is if lawsuits are more expensive than the actual, or no, They won't recall a car if it kills people, if they can save money.
seamus coughlin
That's the gist of it.
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
So I'm like, I'm forgetting the formula and I'm trying to say it, I can't do it.
But the general idea was this.
So I was talking to this guy and he said, you ever seen Fight Club?
And I was like, for sure.
And he goes, okay, if the cost of training police is more expensive than the cost of the lawsuits, they don't train the police.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So when the cops go out, because he's like, how often do cops actually use their firearms?
seamus coughlin
Rarely.
tim pool
Very rarely.
So if they're going to train every single cop properly and have them re-up and do all the stuff and they rarely ever use the gun, that seems like a big waste of money for the city.
Now, if they go off and they have to use it and they fire randomly because they don't know how to actually use it and they hit a bunch of people, how much we got to pay?
Training all the cops could cost $50 million.
The lawsuits cost $30.
We don't train the cops.
seamus coughlin
That's fascinating.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying, it's fascinating.
I can't confirm or deny that, but it's certainly interesting.
for the police seems to explain it like litigation.
seamus coughlin
That's what I'm saying, it's fascinating.
I can't confirm or deny that, but it's certainly interesting.
I know that a number of my uncles were police officers on the south side of Chicago.
And one thing they would complain about was the fact that defense attorneys will also
tell their clients in many circumstances to just file a complaint against a police officer,
whether or not it's valid, because it can be easier to get them out of trouble.
And if you get enough of your clients to accuse enough police officers, then the accusations start to build up and each accusation becomes more credible and it's much easier for you as a defense attorney or a criminal defense attorney to do your job.
tim pool
Think about activists that do that.
It's like, hey, accuse that guy of whatever so that we can get him fired.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Take his job away, destabilize the department.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, like the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Yeah, so there's a viral tweet where they're talking about the Supreme Court and someone said something like, 25% of the Supreme Court have credible accusations against them.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, what does credible mean in this context?
tim pool
And I'm like, I accuse you of stealing my orange.
Good sir, I harumph!
seamus coughlin
And that's actually true, I did steal an orange earlier.
ian crossland
Dirty.
seamus coughlin
Thief.
tim pool
You're a thief.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, it's insane.
tim pool
Well, so you confess.
No, but the point is, I can accuse you of anything.
Sir, I accuse you of TPing a tree in front of my house.
And you're like, what?
That's ridiculous.
It doesn't matter.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, well, that's accused you.
ian crossland
One problem I think is that people that do false accusations, they don't get in much
tim pool
trouble afterwards.
ian crossland
I mean, they might get in a little, but like if someone falsely accuses you of murder and
you have to go through the ringer and then it turns out it was wrong.
I don't get charged for murder.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
I don't have to face the punishment.
seamus coughlin
Nah, man.
well and that's the thing a part of its complicated is like when you look at
christine blaise a for example when i made my comment when i'm not trying to get out is
that she was necessarily lying but the evidence really does not
hold up what she's saying it's possible she was confused as possible she
didn't have ill will but the people who are running
with it were clearly running at with it for reasons of political convenience
tim pool
now i'm an now
seamus coughlin
You don't think so?
tim pool
Dude, she said she was scared to fly.
And then she was asked, like, you flew to these island vacations.
He's like, yes.
seamus coughlin
So you think she was just lying?
tim pool
My personal opinion?
Um, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Okay, yeah.
I just want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but the point is the accusations against Kavanaugh held no water.
tim pool
Listen, it's amazing how many people are scared to just say she's a liar.
Conservatives, for the most part, have no problem doing it.
But it's like, come on, dude.
30-year-old allegation.
She didn't know where it was.
She didn't know how she got there.
She had no witnesses.
Nothing backed her up.
seamus coughlin
No, I agree.
I agree with all that.
tim pool
No one agreed.
Even her friends were like, what is she talking about?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, I agree with all that.
tim pool
Then she was like, I was so traumatized, I installed a second door to my home.
And then they were like, actually, that was the Airbnb you set up.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm actually traumatized and scared to fly.
Do you fly?
Yes.
Did you fly recently?
Yes.
How far did you fly?
Thousands of miles.
You're flying on cross-country.
She flew to New Zealand or something.
I don't know the exact where she flew, but it's like...
How is it that she's able to say these things and no one did an investigation because it's clear that she's lying?
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, I'm just giving her an extreme benefit of the doubt.
All of that's very compelling, and I understand where you're coming from.
And again, I agree that the accusations were, like you said, contradicted by the evidence.
I'm just careful to call anybody a liar.
tim pool
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
She could be unwell.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that was mostly my thought, is that she's a mentally ill person.
tim pool
And I've been saying this a lot, man, that Antifa preys upon these people.
There's actually a really interesting story we gotta talk about.
Hmm, I cover I talked about this on my 1 p.m.
Segment there.
You know what gang stalking is?
No, no gang stalking is this paranoid delusion that people have where they think like operatives or agents are always spying on them interesting and they'll think you're a spy they'll like you'll meet them and they'll be like they'll look at you in the back and Are you one of them?
Say yes or no.
And you'll be like, uh, excuse me?
You are!
seamus coughlin
That's actually really sad.
tim pool
They tell their friends and family like, you know, someone's spying on me and they'll say, where?
I'm like, there's a camera in my house.
I'm telling you it's in the light.
I know it's there.
They think around every corner there's an agent or an operative.
The New York Times wrote about this, and what's really interesting is that they talk about how after 9-11, this skyrocketed, this view of agents and gang stalking.
And they used the internet to find like-minded people who experienced the same thing, to form collectives, to take action over a shared delusion.
Even though they all contradict each other and it seems to make no sense.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
What's interesting about this is that when you take that concept, after 9-11, all these people thought they were being spied on by the government.
Patriot Act, NSA, all that stuff, right?
Now you have, in the mainstream media, all this talk about fascists and white supremacists and what do we get?
Fascists are stalking me!
I'm not even exaggerating.
seamus coughlin
No, no, I believe it.
tim pool
It was Jonathan K. of Quillette who tweeted about this and I thought it was really insane.
I was like, I never thought about that.
Because they had this woman who was claiming that someone broke into her car and it was clearly a white supremacist who was harassing her and stalking her because she's an activist.
And tons of other people started tweeting the same things.
Yes, they're stalking me and harassing me.
Then you look at what Andy Ngo does, right?
Andy Ngo covers the people who get arrested.
He covers the protests and the riots.
And he says like, this person got arrested for felony arson, blah, blah, blah.
And then they start saying that he's feeding, he's feeding the white supremacists our information.
And it's gang stalking.
It's the same thing.
They think that the person around the corner is a fascist, they're everywhere.
They literally think there's millions of people.
It sounds like a shared paranoid delusion these people are experiencing.
There are no white supremacists.
There's like, in this country of 328 million, there's estimated, a high estimate is like 11,000, according to like Anti-Defamation League or, you know, some of these organizations.
So they're not stalking you, but they believe it.
So you have Antifa targeting people who are unwell, who think these things are true, using them to do things to benefit them, convincing them to commit crimes, convincing them to hurt people, and they go around and they do it.
They're justified because they all share this delusion.
So if someone says, I swear Ophatius was following me, me too, then it must be true!
ian crossland
Isn't that that one guy that killed the dude?
You know what I'm talking about?
The guy was wearing a MAGA hat or something.
seamus coughlin
Oh, he said my friend was in danger.
I had to kill him.
tim pool
And I was surrounded.
I was surrounded.
There were cars with that guy, that guy, Michael Reynold.
He said to Vice News that there were cars all around with Trump supporters with weapons.
That dude was one of the he probably had one of these like paranoid delusion of gang stalking things going on.
ian crossland
I think people that think they've been abducted by aliens also are experiencing that.
tim pool
Some kind of paranoid, delusional psychosis or whatever.
And then here's what happens.
You get someone who's sitting there shaking, being like, they're everywhere.
And you go, they are.
But they're not agents.
ian crossland
They're actually fascists.
tim pool
They are?
Yeah.
Trust me.
I see them too.
You're the only one who believes me.
That's right.
Come with me.
Take this.
Now throw it at that building.
And they do.
And then guess who gets arrested?
Not the guy who handed the explosive.
The guy who threw the explosive.
They use these people.
And so, you know, we're talking about Christine Blasey Ford.
I'm not, for all we know that she was just a, she's an unwell person.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And they were like, it really did happen.
Don't you remember?
unidentified
It did.
tim pool
She's like, it did.
And then when they actually scrutinized her and she didn't have people telling her, she's just like, I don't know.
I don't remember.
I don't know.
No.
All the witnesses denied it.
Ultimately, I think she was just lying.
I mean, that's a simple solution, right?
Like, look, Occam's Razor suggests the simple solution tends to be the correct one.
That's not a law, that's just something people point out.
It doesn't necessarily mean that in every circumstance you can say it's true, and it doesn't mean he ever actually mathematically tested it, because you can't really.
But it is an idea that I think most of us agree upon.
Don't take things too far.
It's probably just, you know, more simple than that.
Simple solution here is she's lied.
They want to stop Brett Kavanaugh by any means necessary.
They accused him.
He was already vetted, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So Brett Kavanaugh was a federal judge, which means he went through the vetting process and the confirmation process.
They were going through it again, and then all of a sudden, 30-year-old vague nebulous stories start popping up.
ian crossland
But it's also possible that they were both 18 and blackout drunk, and she vaguely remembers getting forced.
That's not what you said.
tim pool
I don't think she said they were drunk, right?
ian crossland
I don't remember.
seamus coughlin
I don't remember all the specifics anymore.
tim pool
It's been quite a while.
seamus coughlin
I just remember there wasn't a lot of evidence and the media was completely on her side.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
It's ridiculous.
She said that she was at a party at someone's house and Brett Kavanaugh and his friend went upstairs and she went with them and then he pinned her on the bed and jumped on top of her and then she was panicking and then his friend jumped on him and they rolled over and then she got up and ran away.
That was it.
And then from that, what did we get?
Accusations that Brett Kavanaugh was contributing to drugging women and keeping them in rooms where men would line up outside the door, taking turns.
seamus coughlin
And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And then they held up a picture of him making a really icky face when he was called a rapist for several hours.
And they're like, look at this man's face.
Does this look like the face of a man who isn't a rapist?
That was kind of what they were going on.
That was the face plastered on everything.
tim pool
And it was him like crying.
It was his face when he was about to cry.
seamus coughlin
Which is reasonable.
tim pool
But they make it look like he's snarling.
Geez, man.
ian crossland
I think because justices get appointed for life, people are terrified of who the justices are.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well they kind of should be.
ian crossland
And they're like freaked, like the way that they want to impeach Trump before he even appointed anyone.
seamus coughlin
Isn't that hilarious?
What do you think would happen if they tried to impeach him right now?
For what?
I know, but if they tried, they would destroy themselves.
They would totally destroy themselves.
tim pool
To be fair on this point too, because I brought it up, Nancy Pelosi was asked by George Stephanopoulos Would you consider impeaching Trump or Bill Barr?
And then she said, well, you know, we've got a bunch of options.
And then her brain snapped and she went, good morning?
ian crossland
But what she should have said is we don't have any reason to impeach him.
tim pool
She could have just said, why are you asking?
Why would I impeach?
That's ridiculous.
seamus coughlin
That's not what impeachment's for, sir.
What kind of a question is that?
This isn't just like a political play thing that we can use as a strategy.
tim pool
But she wanted it.
She wanted that news cycle.
So she was like, well, we have our options.
And then Trump was like, now they're talking about impeachment.
seamus coughlin
They're going to impeach me.
unidentified
How dare they?
They did this a second time.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I could see them threatening.
tim pool
He's a little bit more angrier though.
unidentified
He's a little angrier.
Some people are saying that Nancy Pelosi wants to impeach me.
We don't like that very much.
tim pool
I don't like that.
And then, I mean, I mentioned it, but her brain broke.
seamus coughlin
I saw that clip.
tim pool
What do you think that was?
seamus coughlin
She's just older and under a lot of stress, I think.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
So, for those that aren't familiar, Nancy Pelosi was talking, she was asked about impeachment, and then George Stephanopoulos responded, but you're saying you won't take impeachment off the table, and she goes, good morning, Sunday morning.
We have an obligation to the American people, and people were like, what was that?
That was weird.
She just like, brain turned off.
seamus coughlin
I guess that can happen every now and again when you have a really high-stress job and old age, but it's definitely unsettling.
I mean, it happens to Joe Biden way more often, if we're being fair.
tim pool
Oh, for sure, for sure.
Should we have an age limit?
ian crossland
No.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
ian crossland
No, because especially with genetic therapy, the way we can advance our age, we'll be 130.
seamus coughlin
Do you think so?
I don't know if I believe that, but I actually don't know how to answer the question.
I mean, at some point, I don't know if I would put a hard age limit as much as I would say, like, alright, this person is clearly in a position where they're no longer able to govern.
And it's funny because for years and years and years, this was a punchline all the way through my childhood, right?
And I was born years after Ronald Reagan had already died.
There's this joke, oh isn't it so hilarious that Ronald Reagan was going senile at the end of his life and the Republicans had this president who is sort of losing it and slipping in old age and how incompetent are they?
And then the Democrats like went out of their way and chose to nominate a man whose brain is clearly not functioning properly when they had many other options.
ian crossland
With Reagan, I've heard that he had some information and they wanted to testify and get it out of him and he didn't want to give up the information so he said that he was going senile and couldn't remember.
seamus coughlin
I wouldn't know anything about that.
ian crossland
But then he really went senile.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Didn't he think that movie War Game was like a real thing?
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
You know that movie where the kid like... You know the movie where the kid's playing the computer game?
ian crossland
Matthew Broderick?
tim pool
Yeah, I was at it and the computer's gonna fire nuclear missiles or something and he thought it was real and he was like, oh no!
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know about any of that.
I just know that that was the bit that they always did.
Everyone always thought it was hilarious that Reagan was slipping and it was just indicative of this grave incompetence on the right side of the political aisle.
tim pool
they had a choice in picture old if you're if you're saying that you think
we're gonna live to be a hundred thirty then what about his lifetime
ian crossland
appointments for supreme court if we gotta change it's got to change
they used to live not that long now they live in and i mean this is seventy maybe
tim pool
that's that life expectancy has been like relative like only got up a little
ian crossland
bit desperately have to change the life appointments it should be for you and i
seamus coughlin
don't know i i i think that's a it i'm really skeptical of the idea that will be able to
extend the human life expectancy that long
And if we do, I think that's a bridge we would really need to cross once we got there.
For now, I would just say maybe there's something to be said about a person being too incompetent to do the job anymore and you have that discussion.
I don't know that I would set a heart age limit for it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
What about term limits?
Look at Thomas Sowell.
I mean, we haven't heard from Thomas Sowell much lately, but he's certainly getting older and he's just as sharp and brilliant as he's ever been.
ian crossland
What do you think about term limits for justices?
seamus coughlin
For justices?
That's a tough one.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
I haven't thought it through enough.
I've actually never really given that specific question any thought, so it probably wouldn't be responsible for me to answer.
tim pool
A lot of this conversation specifically is predicated upon whether or not life expectancy will be exponential.
But there's a, are you guys familiar with Aubrey de Grey?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You might be?
seamus coughlin
Is he the guy with the really long beard?
Yes.
Yes, I've heard a few talks from him.
tim pool
I saw him speak once and he said that we, he said, what did he say?
That like, people under the age of 45, and this was, I think this was 10 years ago, will live to be a thousand.
I don't buy it.
I don't either.
But his point was this.
He said it's not that we're going to one day invent this pill that you just take and all of a sudden you live to be a thousand.
It's that you're going to turn 50 and they're going to cure this.
You're going to turn 55 and they're going to cure this.
And then medical technology is going to start advancing faster than people are dying.
So, you'll always be sick, you'll always be weak, you'll always be dying, but they'll constantly be treating and curing and rejuvenating.
And then, so, it's kind of like this period where we're dipping, and then we pull back up, and medical technology keeps us alive.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know, if we have lifetime appointments under the assumption that, you know, these people will die at some point, we still have the problem of people who become completely incapacitated.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Serving on the Supreme Court.
ian crossland
Maybe cognitive tests or something.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
It's interesting what you're saying about life expectancy, and you sort of alluded to this earlier when you said life expectancy has not significantly grown.
People will say like, oh, in the past life expectancy was only 30, but obviously that's because there was so much infant mortality changing the average.
It wasn't out of the ordinary or totally unheard of for a person to live to 80 or 90 or even 100, but it is out of the ordinary for a person now to live to like 130, 140.
In fact, I don't think anyone's ever lived that long, so that's why I'm skeptical that our medical technology will ever get us to the point where that's possible.
ian crossland
Have you heard of nicotinamide mononucleotide?
seamus coughlin
No, sir.
ian crossland
NMN, you can get it, you can buy it, and you take it with resveratrol, which is the active chemical in like red wine and like purple vegetables, you know, eggplant.
It causes the telomeres, telomeres, I'm I'm not sure.
seamus coughlin
Telomeres.
ian crossland
Telomeres.
To regrow.
So your proteins, you have these proteins called sirtuins in your body.
And there's five of them.
One of them measures the energy in your mitochondria.
So when a cell splits, if it doesn't have enough energy, one of the new cells
doesn't have enough energy, so it clips off the end caps of its telomeres
to compensate.
But if the measurement process is accurate because the sirtuins are good,
then when the cell splits, both stay alive and the telomeres stay healthy
and long.
As you get older, this sirtuin too, SIRT2, starts to degrade.
But with NMN, nicotinamide mononucleotide, and other chemicals, they keep pumping the SIRT2, your body keeps making the sirtuins.
So you basically don't get older, is the idea.
tim pool
So what you're saying is, uh, we should all get blood transfusions from young people who do nothing but eat healthy and work out at the gym?
Doesn't Peter Thiel do that?
ian crossland
Yeah, what is that stuff called?
Is that word banned on YouTube?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I have no clue.
Gonna get us demonetized.
tim pool
Blood transfusion?
ian crossland
No, no, it's the chemical they get out of the blood.
tim pool
Oh, vampirism.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, uh... That's, that's not, that, no, that's not real.
ian crossland
Anyway, no, Tim, the answer's no.
No, you don't get blood transfusions.
seamus coughlin
But I'm sure it's a real conspiracy theory.
I'm sure it's a real conspiracy theory.
I think people do that.
I'm sure someone believes that.
ian crossland
Maybe.
I think people do do that, don't they?
seamus coughlin
Really.
tim pool
They do.
I could be wrong, but I read that Peter Thiel did it.
Maybe that's not true.
Maybe it's a smear of him.
People used to eat human hearts, you know, for their courage, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that does work.
tim pool
You gain their courage?
seamus coughlin
I think so.
tim pool
Is that why you're so comfortable and brave?
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
That's why I just speak my mind.
That's why I make internet cartoons.
They're very courageous.
tim pool
So let's talk about, you know, the Supreme Court, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Supreme Court.
Mitt Romney, I guess, is kind of pulling back a little bit.
He said he's not going to promise Trump he's going to give him the vote he needs, even though he said he was going to vote to confirm whoever.
But you think, I guess everyone's saying it's going to be Amy Coney Barrett.
And the concern is that she is a devout Catholic.
unidentified
And so the left is... Concerned for whom, sir?
tim pool
Well, the left is concerned for themselves.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Because, you know.
seamus coughlin
Well, and we talked about this a little bit earlier, but she's also a constitutional originalist.
So they're saying she's going to, like, implement this radically Catholic interpretation of the Constitution when she herself has said she actually just wants to look back to what the Founding Fathers initially intended.
Because that is the job of Supreme Court justice.
That's what you're supposed to do.
tim pool
We were talking with, I think it was Colin Wright, and I hope I'm not putting words in his mouth because maybe I'm misremembering.
But he said something like he would prefer kids learned creationism over the social justice stuff.
And so I'm like, well, now you got a liberal who's going to be in favor of a devout Catholic Supreme Court justice because of the potential that you get a hard left identitarian cultist.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, but you don't want the worst of two things.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
I disagree that she's the worst also.
I mean, people are calling her like a Catholic extremist, but she's just a practicing Catholic.
It's funny.
Part of the reason that you know Joe Biden is not a practicing Catholic is because the media has never called him a religious extremist, which is what they always do when you follow the most basic tenets of the Catholic faith.
I mean, she's pro-life and she doesn't want Catholic companies to be forced to pay for abortifacients, which I think, or birth control, which I think is like pretty straightforward.
That's not an extremist belief.
In fact, I know many non-religious people who believe that.
And she has seven children, God forbid, how dare she?
So she's crazy and different and weird.
tim pool
Did you see the tweet where they said it was Wow.
I think it's just aggressive.
I think it's just confrontational.
What was it that they said about Antifa?
She had nine kids and then her belly was like number ten and it said like this is terrorism or something like that.
seamus coughlin
Wow Yeah, I think it's just aggressive. I think it's just
confrontational. No What was it that they said about Antifa? They're just a
little confrontational. I Know I think that's like why is why is procreate? Why would
procreating be terrorism like?
Who's forcing her to have these children?
She's just having these children.
ian crossland
Dude, you could have one kid and be a horrible parent and have 20 kids and be an amazing parent.
seamus coughlin
A fantastic parent!
Yeah, exactly.
Historically, it was normal to have many more children.
The idea that that's terrorism is so stupid.
I don't even know where to begin with it.
tim pool
Well, they're just saying it because you have this social justice narrative.
You know.
seamus coughlin
Children bad.
tim pool
Yeah, kids bad.
Motherhood bad.
It's bad for the climate.
You know, you can't have kids.
ian crossland
Overpopulation.
seamus coughlin
You can't have kids.
ian crossland
It's the way we're formed on the earth, not the number of us.
seamus coughlin
Of course.
Yeah, exactly.
And I would even say it's not even so much like the way that we're formed, because as we were talking about this a little bit earlier, but there are certain resources that we've been depleting, I suppose, like fossil fuels.
But as the population has increased, global poverty has decreased.
It's not as if there's been this fierce competition for resources with each new mouth because every single person is also an asset.
I mean people create things and they tend to create more than they themselves will need and so it passes on to everybody else.
tim pool
But so we were talking about this, too.
I think we will eventually have an overpopulation problem.
Simple math.
If at a certain point, we can't have more people because there's a finite amount of space, you know, and we need a certain amount of space for farming.
We were I've been looking at like how to grow certain like crops and like in a garden.
I'm not talking about starting a farm or anything like that.
And they talk about, like, the certain amount of acreage you need and stuff.
So clearly there's a mathematical formula for how many people can exist with how much farmland you have.
At some point we'll hit that number.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think if that's possible, then it's something that would sort of work itself out and we would hit an equilibrium.
And I'm sure you would agree that, like, population control is nowhere near being the answer to this kind of a question.
tim pool
Right.
But equilibrium, you know what that means for, like, most animal species?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, it usually means people starving.
But I don't know that humanity's ever going to get there.
ian crossland
We're going to Mars.
seamus coughlin
I don't believe we are.
ian crossland
We'll send people to Mars.
But think we can build cities in the sky.
So check this out.
seamus coughlin
Do you think so?
ian crossland
Yeah, this is a long term idea.
But the way boats work in the ocean, you have a hollow to basically a hollow circle that floats in the water because it's lighter than the water.
So if you had a hollow circle in the air, that's lighter than the air, basically a vacuum.
tim pool
Like a hot air balloon.
And we could name it something after a guy, maybe like Hindenburg.
That's a great name.
I knew you were going there.
seamus coughlin
I knew you were going there.
tim pool
The hydrogen is lighter than the air around it.
ian crossland
Gigantic, huge mass of structure in the sky that's lighter than air.
Have you been watching Up?
No, I've never seen it.
seamus coughlin
No, that's actually, you should watch it.
It's a beautiful film.
ian crossland
You fill the chamber with lots of little circles with like hydro gel.
You can pump it with lighter than air materials.
And I think we can get giant land masses to float and then we can plant crops.
tim pool
I don't think we could do it that way.
Apparently in Venus we could.
They're like floating, there's like really dense gases and you could like make a floating city.
So there've been like sci-fi that have talked about it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But people don't talk about the problem with Mars is that there's no magnetosphere, right?
ian crossland
You'd have to create one.
tim pool
But how do we do that?
seamus coughlin
Do we like- Just bring a bunch of magma?
tim pool
Have you seen the Core?
That movie where they like- Yes!
They nuke the core of the- Is that what we're gonna do?
seamus coughlin
Why would you do this?
ian crossland
Have you seen- If you see that big gash on Mars, it's like hundreds of thousands of miles long.
It looks like some planetoid hit Mars and scraped across it and ripped it open so all the iron spewed out of it into the magma and that's why it settled as iron oxide dust all over the surface of the planet.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
ian crossland
So like its core got gutted or its magma got gutted.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I have no idea, but that is interesting.
ian crossland
It probably should still have a core.
unidentified
I just don't- It's not quite as- I don't know anything about Mars.
ian crossland
Elon thinks we should nuke the poles to get it started.
seamus coughlin
Wait, Elon said what?
ian crossland
That we should nuke the poles of Mars.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
But how many nukes would you need for that?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know.
tim pool
Like, all of them?
ian crossland
We'd have to ask him.
seamus coughlin
What if a couple of them just miss Mars?
Because it's actually hard to get things right at the exact window where they're going to hit something that far away.
So you can just have a couple nukes go past and then we start an intergalactic war.
Hundreds of thousands of years later, millions maybe, it just hits some planet and it's still active.
ian crossland
We plant the bomb.
seamus coughlin
You have to plant the bomb.
tim pool
So like I'm imagining it's like really funny they're like this like watching this myth like this nuke just like it narrowly misses and then I can imagine a song like Spanish Flea playing is it like from a hundred million years is just drifting aimlessly and then finally reaches this ridiculously intelligent advanced species with interstellar travel but they've they've lost the ability to enter like to stop this because oh my god it's like what do we do it's like I don't know!
We haven't dealt with nukes in, like, 5,000 years!
And then it, like, blows up one of their colonies.
So they're like, war!
And they come to Earth, and it's like a decaying blob of nothing, and, like, it's been hundreds of millions of years.
There's nothing left.
Humans are gone.
It's wiped out.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I sure hope not.
But maybe we're on Mars, because we knew it was successful when we went to the poles.
tim pool
I just figured it out.
seamus coughlin
What is it?
tim pool
What actually happens is, if it's just traveling physically through space, and eventually we discover interstellar travel, like wormholes and stuff, It hits us.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I was gonna say, what if the universe is just repeating like Pac-Man?
You get to one end, and it comes back the other way, and then... I think it is.
The snook just comes back and hits us.
tim pool
I don't mean that, but I mean like... No, I know.
This is something really, really... We're gonna get into sci-fi, I guess.
We got so much political stuff to talk about, but I want to talk about it.
If, uh, I was, like, watching Star Trek and stuff and seeing them, you know, or not even that, like, Battlestar Galactica, where they travel great distances.
If a group of people right now went on, say, Elon Musk's spaceship to Mars, or maybe not Mars, maybe they're gonna go to, like, Alpha Centauri or some planet very, very far away.
And like it's going to be a hundred year journey.
They'd be like 50 years in and we'd catch up and be like, look at those old people.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
tim pool
Our technology would advance to the point, theoretically, where we beat them to it.
And when they land, we're already there.
And we're like, man, you guys have a long time.
ian crossland
What if we're already there?
seamus coughlin
What?
We found a way to get there so quickly that we got there before we left?
ian crossland
Because the people that left Earth 100 million years ago, their technology is... or 30,000 years ago, they've advanced so much more quickly than us that they're already there waiting for us.
The people that left Earth 30... Yeah, 20,000 years ago.
tim pool
Do you believe that?
Well, I don't know.
seamus coughlin
That doesn't make sense.
That's possible.
I wasn't sure if this was a theory or...
tim pool
I don't think that makes sense.
What I'm saying is, if right now, a ship left, and then it's like a hundred years out, and then we have better technology, and then we're faster, or if the people on the ship have better technology... They'd be so embarrassed, dude.
They'd be like... I know.
They'd be so embarrassed.
seamus coughlin
They'd be like, oh man, I just wasted my life.
tim pool
They would land on, like, this ridiculously developed place, and they would be, like, super archaic and anachronistic.
seamus coughlin
Well, what we would have to do is just make them feel better by not letting them know that we beat them there, and just making some part of the planet look like it's completely un-terraformed.
unidentified
Like, yeah, no, you guys are the first to get there, good for you!
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Part of why, when we colonize Mars, it's gonna be like the Internet's so important because if they develop at a different rate than the people on Earth, I think there could be mass chaos, intergalactic chaos between two, you know, Martians.
tim pool
Between ourselves.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine this.
We send a ship out.
It's like a 500-year journey, so people are dying and being born and dying, and they know very little about the home world.
Then, within 200 years, we develop faster travel.
We colonize other planets.
Then we end up getting into war with the other colonies.
With our own people?
Yeah.
Create factions.
And then when they land, they're all taken prisoner.
You're under arrest.
You're enemy faction.
And they're like, we were from the year 2200 and it's what year?
The other big problem that no one really talks about is that The solar system itself is moving, the planets are moving, and time dilation, right?
So if you're on this planet that's traveling a certain amount of kilometers per hour with the whole solar system, the planet's spinning a certain amount of kilometers an hour, and then you travel to another planet that's going much, much slower or faster.
Wouldn't you then experience time living on that planet very differently to Earth?
seamus coughlin
Huh?
Yeah, I don't know.
ian crossland
Time is relative, is motion, is relative motion.
So it's relative to the galactic core, for instance.
Um, if you're moving faster than the core, it's going to look like things are happening faster outside.
It's so confusing.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
I was also out of my wheelhouse.
ian crossland
Me too.
I don't think anyone truly understands time because it's just a measurement of motion.
And, and if everything's moving, then how can you even have a, have a clock?
It doesn't.
So like, okay, we need a galactic clock that just, that just It shows where you are in the galaxy and where you will be in one solar year.
tim pool
And so it moves faster in certain areas.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine, yeah, that'd be crazy.
You're on a planet and the clock's going really fast and you're like, those are the days.
ian crossland
And your time is just gonna be your location.
So the way you'll be like, it is 24, 32, 71.
That means you can plot me in this area of the galaxy.
Interesting.
And next year my time will be, and then you give the new location, because they're moving so fast.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's also true.
ian crossland
They're going to need to give you coordinates of where they are.
seamus coughlin
Do you think it's even ever really going to be possible to achieve that kind of space travel?
It's all so much more complicated than we understand.
tim pool
What if there is no space travel?
What if we're in a simulation and this is the final season?
seamus coughlin
Well, to entertain a hypothetical, it would be an entertaining season.
tim pool
Kind of.
It's like jumping the shark a little bit.
ian crossland
I think it's early on in the show.
Season 2, season 3, because we just got TV.
tim pool
No, it's too absurd.
When Donald Trump won, it was clear that the writer was like, uh, Donald Trump becomes president?
That'll rope viewers back in.
ian crossland
It's like episode 7, season 2.
seamus coughlin
But then when you really think about it, that's sort of novel to us, but historically, stranger things have happened than Donald Trump becoming president.
Though that was, let me tell you, that night.
My goodness.
None of us expected it.
tim pool
I didn't.
The New York Times meter was 99% Hillary Clinton.
ian crossland
Yeah, what'd you think that night?
seamus coughlin
I was laughing really hard, actually.
My brother tells this story that he called me.
I was literally laughing hysterically just because I thought it was silly.
There was not a single angle I could examine it from that was not really, really funny.
There was this woman who's just unbelievably crooked and has all of the traits that make a really savvy and unscrupulous politician, has spent her entire life striving for one single political position.
And then this one guy wakes up one morning and he's like, I could be president.
And he beats her.
And to me, that is comedy gold.
tim pool
It is, it is.
And I love that line.
Trump was like, I ran for president one time.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
He said, I ran for public office one time and I became president.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
tim pool
It's funny.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
He's a funny guy.
seamus coughlin
And then him just like walking on stage with that big smile.
You can't always get what you want was playing and oh, I I'm telling you dude.
I was I was in tears laughing I just you can't always get what you yeah, he loves that son.
It's hysterical.
tim pool
It's so funny And then I guess Hillary didn't come out John Podesta was like we're gonna go to bed We'll be back and then there was no like yeah Talk about the salt mines that day.
I know you were a salt miner.
You were rich that night.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness Yes, you were Well, so the one regret I really have from my college experience is that I did not have any classes scheduled the day after the election took place, and my friends did.
And from what they said, there were kids crying in class.
One of my friends at a teaching assistant started tearing up as they were explaining the situation.
One friend sent me a Snapchat of a student under a desk crying.
I mean, it was bad.
And it's funny because the media was plastering these images everywhere.
of people on their side of the political aisle crying which revealed something
interesting about their psychology which is that we thought we were like they thought we were gonna see that
and sympathize with them. Can you imagine if Trump had lost and Trump
supporters were crying?
They would have found that hysterical and if Fox News or some right-leaning
network tried putting that out there to gain sympathy they would have been
scorched. So it's just a fundamental inability to see somebody else's
Like someone's like, well, my taxes won't get raised and I'll be better able to feed my family.
No one's going to take my guns, but I wish I didn't make that liberal arts student cry.
What have I done?
tim pool
So what are you going to do if Joe Biden wins?
seamus coughlin
I'm going to cry.
unidentified
I'm going to laugh.
seamus coughlin
Dude, I honestly, I have no idea.
I have no idea.
Earlier in the year, before COVID happened and before the economy crashed, I would have said, there's no way anyone else could win.
I mean, all Trump had to do was not be a fascist, not be Hitler.
And he wasn't a fascist, and he wasn't Hitler.
So he basically surpassed the expectations that the media set up for him.
And I'm understating it.
But that's the thing, I'm understating it.
He actually did well.
The economy was okay.
He hasn't started any new wars.
He's actually been a good president in a number of ways, though he's certainly left something to be desired, if not much.
The point is, it wasn't until COVID happened that I thought, oh, maybe he doesn't have as much of a chance.
Not that I'm blaming him for it, but it's very easy to see how that narrative is going to be run.
We are under his watch and things aren't going very well.
ian crossland
There's so many conspiracy theories that it was intentional to get him out of office.
I've heard them, yeah.
I don't jump on any conspiracy theory without any kind of evidence.
tim pool
All these countries working together, man.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
That kind of international cooperation.
You're telling me we got world peace already?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
What happened to the Tucker girl that went on Tucker and said it was a bioweapon?
She got banned from Twitter, and then... Oh yeah, gone.
I didn't even hear about that.
Any backup to that?
tim pool
She worked for the University of Hong Kong, and I don't think she had anything to do with any of the labs in China.
Hmm.
So, it really did seem like... Look, she's an expert.
We'll hear what she has to say.
I don't believe it.
ian crossland
I don't think any president could have come out of a COVID as a shining beacon of hope.
seamus coughlin
Nobody did.
Nobody did.
I mean, look, you had Nancy Pelosi saying we should all go eat dinner in Chinatown.
I think what did what didn't Joe Biden say that Trump's ban from from China was I don't know if he used the word xenophobic but he didn't say the ban was he said he said something like we need real leadership not Trump's xenophobia okay yeah yeah so I don't think anybody really handled it properly but that said Trump is the president so you like he does have a special responsibility here But what could he do?
Yeah, I agree.
I mostly agree with you.
tim pool
Not even, not even COVID.
But when I hear people say, like, this is Trump's America and it's Trump's fault with the riots, and I'm like, what should he do?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, that's not how the federal government works.
I don't want to live, like, I don't want the president just going around.
ian crossland
Exactly.
There's like this fallacy that the president's like the gunslinger that's going to go out and kill the boar and feed the family.
It's his job to sit back, watch and make sure no one does anything crazy.
He has veto power and that's like it.
seamus coughlin
And even then, like, he can let him get a little crazy.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, the president is not supposed to get involved with everything.
Now that said, I understand the arguments that he should have been more involved in some ways with COVID-19, but it's all really, really complicated.
And so that's why I'm saying I certainly don't blame him for it.
But I think that it's going to be easy to use that against him in the media, though whatever advantage they may have had, they've been doing everything they can to destroy by advocating for and apologizing for these riots and protests.
ian crossland
What do you think Trump could have done better?
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I think... It's hard for me to pinpoint anything specifically, and that's why I'm not even saying he dropped the ball.
But what I am saying is, whenever anything bad happens under anybody's watch, it's easy to see why they're going to be blamed for it.
tim pool
Yep.
And there's nothing to compare it to.
There's no relativity here.
People are looking at Europe and they're like, look what happened to this country.
And I'm like, Europe is more densely populated, but also, you know, very, very large.
And you're comparing one country to like a bunch of different states.
Like the U.S.
compared to Germany, it's not a question.
Germany is microscopic.
Europe as a whole, let's have a conversation, but then it's also got double the population.
So you can't do it.
You can't.
And they try.
And it makes no sense.
And then, I don't know if you saw this, but there was a camera, I think it was Nevada that released the data about COVID deaths.
Some of the people who had died with COVID had, like, end-stage renal failure.
And so people are pointing out, if you want to know how we got to 200,000 dead, you need to understand that some of these people were really close to death as it was.
It is true that COVID caused it, but if you're someone with, like, end-stage renal failure, and you're on your deathbed, and then you get COVID, you're gonna die.
You're gonna die if you get a cold.
seamus coughlin
I think what's going to have to be done, and I'm sure somebody's already thought of this or is working on this, but at the end of the year, at the end of the next two years, they're really going to need to compile some data on net deaths, like how many people died overall in this past year as compared to the average.
And then we can see how many of these COVID cases were just COVID versus people who are going to die of other diseases anyway.
ian crossland
Right.
Exacerbation, I think, is a better word than cause, because if someone with end-stage renal failure gets COVID, it exacerbates the renal failure.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
And of course, we still don't want them to get COVID.
Absolutely not.
But it's a different conversation than all of these people were just completely healthy and got COVID and then died.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I, look, I'll just put it, it's really this simple.
If you want to have an argument with me about why Trump is bad, I'm listening, man.
Tell me, tell me, bring it on.
But we don't get that.
We just get, like, ridiculous nonsense, no real arguments about policy.
They say, he failed us with COVID.
What did he do wrong?
ian crossland
I had my parents.
tim pool
What did he do wrong?
ian crossland
My parents had an impeach Trump sticker on their back door when I went back to their house one time.
I was like, what are you going to impeach him for?
And neither of them had any idea.
So I left.
I came back several months later and the sticker was gone.
There is semblance of intelligence in even the most whack, you know, not that they're the most whack, but I think people when faced with the truth or like the reality of the situation sometimes can see that Trump's not a demon.
He's kind of a normal guy.
tim pool
You can go look at my videos.
And from like 2018, and I'm saying things like, look, Trump's not that bad, but come on, man.
Missile strikes in Syria, drone, drone strikes, commando raids.
He's not doing great, you know, relative to foreign policy.
So as far as I'm concerned, then what's happened in the past year?
I used to say specifically, like for me, foreign policy is a big deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What, what, what, what are we spending our money on?
Why are we spending it?
Why are we getting involved in other people's business?
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
I understand sometimes like war happens and there's like conflicts between allies and people need our help.
Sure.
What does that have to do with us?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and like, why are we aiding the Saudis in Yemen, for example?
That's one thing that really upsets me about Trump, is that he's kept that going.
tim pool
Money.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But he admitted it.
seamus coughlin
Interesting, I didn't hear that.
tim pool
Yeah, he just blurted it out.
He was like, oh, we're making tons of money selling weapons to the Saudis.
unidentified
Really?
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's so horrible.
Yeah, I know that Boeing profited like five hundred- But at least he said it.
Yeah, and I know that what, Boeing profited like $500 billion servicing the F-12s that the Saudi Arabian government is using, which are sometimes used to bomb like fishing boats and fog.
It's really evil stuff.
ian crossland
I mean, the weapons we supplied, the Russians, sorry to interrupt there, is the same weapons that Al-Qaeda used.
tim pool
I just want to make sure I finish that point, too.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, sure, sure.
tim pool
The past year, Trump has been, historic peace deals, look, he's got no new wars.
So we did have the, you know, he was sort of playing the old game of the existing wars.
No new wars.
We have historic peace deals, three historic peace deals.
We have the withdrawal of the troops.
I got very little complaint about it anymore.
His character?
Sure, but that's not the biggest factor.
It's not even in the top five.
ian crossland
I should clarify, the weapons we supplied, I think it was the Afghani people against the Russians in the 80s.
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, the Mujahideen?
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Then they used those weapons against us.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
ian crossland
Hey, do you guys think that the job of the president is like, no good and should be changed?
Like too much power for one person that we could formulate the power structure better?
tim pool
I think Trump is showing that the office can really be curtailed so long as we have a Congress willing to do it.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Like, I used to complain about the expansion of executive authority, but the reality was Congress just giving the power and just agreeing.
But now that we have this psychotic, you know, two years of Democrat impeach screech and get nothing done, now you can really see how they've screwed up Trump's plans every which way constantly.
They won't confirm, you know, his appointees and things like that.
So, you know, his staff has been, I think it's like a historically thin staff because they won't confirm a lot of people he's trying to put on.
I can't get specific on that.
But I look at what they do, and what Trump wanted to do, and how they're jamming him up to an absurd degree, and I'm like, you know, part of me, I'm kind of like, I like the idea that the executive branch is kind of getting some comeuppance and getting their power pulled back, but it's a little bit too much.
Like, they've gone insane.
seamus coughlin
It's one thing to be like, handle something should be the one handling it, and we should only go up to, um, A higher, more powerful, or centralized authority, if we absolutely have to.
But that's not what we've done in this country, man.
Over the past hundred years, so much has become federalized.
ian crossland
It's the school system, particularly.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
And the idea of a public school system is actually really insane to me, the more that I think about it.
Something you take for granted growing up, but the idea that we just sort of let the government raise our kids.
It's kind of unthinkable, especially in the United States.
I mean, I'm not in favor of either of these systems, but in some ways, I think you could argue that a universal health care system or the government being in charge of health care would be more appropriate to the American vision than the government being in charge of educating everyone's children.
ian crossland
It's showing now, too, with COVID being—just the weirdness of kids having to wear masks and etc.
tim pool
No, no, no, it's the kids in cubicles, like, they've spaced all the chairs out and then put them in these plastic bins.
seamus coughlin
I'm becoming more of a proponent of homeschooling over time, and it's not just because the evidence has really borne out the fact that homeschooling kids tend to perform better, but it's the fact that when you really examine the situation, we don't even have to look at this through the metric of efficiency, we just have to say, is making a child sit in a desk for six to eight hours a day throughout their entire childhood a good thing to do to somebody?
It wasn't for me, man.
Productive adult.
Yeah, it wasn't for me.
I went to public school and look, I had a lot of great teachers.
I love basically every teacher that I ever had.
I'm not criticizing them, but the system is so broken and I just don't think it's optimal for educating our children.
And it's not just that it isn't optimal.
I'm not just making an efficiency argument.
I'm making a moral argument.
It's not good for them.
ian crossland
It wasn't good for me.
I got pushed around and bullied, you know, ha ha ha.
But like, I would wait for other kids in the class to figure it out, and they wouldn't call on me anymore.
I was like, I already got it.
Come on, let's move on to the next problem.
Let's fix, let's move, move, move.
And I was in the wrong environment.
I couldn't figure it out.
There are places that kids can go if they're smarter or dumber than other kids, but, you know, for the most part, you just go to public school.
And that's just such a mess.
tim pool
I think one of the biggest problems we have in this country is that from the ages of zero to five, kids don't do anything.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Do nothing.
What is it?
Kindergarten is five years old?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So what are you doing through these extremely important years of your life sitting around watching TV?
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, that's a problem if you just like sit your kid in front of the TV.
Then this is why you need attentive parents, which is part of why I'm a proponent of homeschooling, right?
Because it's not as if you just wait until that kid is five.
The education starts early.
And nobody is ever going to understand a child's mind better than their own parents will.
And like, homeschooling isn't always just one parent homeschooling the kid.
You have co-ops and you have different parents getting together in the neighborhood and educating, you know, taking shifts with the kids.
But I mean, smaller classroom sizes, better test scores.
ian crossland
Again, I think all the evidence is there for it, but... I think Peterson said that the kids' most formative years were like one to three.
seamus coughlin
Really?
unidentified
Yep.
seamus coughlin
That's fascinating.
tim pool
So I often ask people, if you want to figure out what you want to do with the rest of your life, ask yourself what you were doing at a certain age.
Like, what were you doing when you were 13?
Most people don't have a good answer about what they were doing.
So I was talking to a friend of mine and I said, what were you doing when you were 13 years old?
And they responded, I don't know, hanging out with my friends.
And I was like, you want to open a bar?
And she went, oh!
And I'm like, yeah, because you want to hang out with people, you just want to sit around and drink, so open a bar and then people will come and you'll be hanging out, you'll be doing what you did.
I thought about this because I'm like, I know a bunch of people who went on to become, like, successful in various industries, skateboarding and music, and they've been doing it literally their whole lives.
I had this really funny thought, like, you know we say it's like riding a bike?
It's so easy to ride a bike, isn't it?
No, it's easy because you were like, you know, two or three years old and your parents put you on the bike and then had you ride with training wheels.
So from your entire existence, we've been taught how to ride bikes.
Guess what?
You're an adult, you can get on a bike, you know how to do it.
Imagine if instead of putting on a bike, or in addition to it, we taught them how to do math.
You showed them complex equations, and you started teaching them more and more things, or you gave them a skill.
Look, riding a bike is an important thing.
I'm glad I know how to do it.
And I have memorized the cheat code for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2.
I've known this forever.
It's B-A-B-A-up-down-B-A-left-right-B-A-spark-start.
Why do I know that?
It gives you level select and ten lives.
unidentified
Whoa!
ian crossland
That game was tough.
tim pool
Why do I know that?
I haven't played that game in, like, 25 years.
seamus coughlin
Repetition in early parts of your life.
I was a little kid.
tim pool
And that's what I was, I was playing a game and I was taught this and I never forgot it.
ian crossland
Dude, memorizing phone numbers, I don't know if you guys used to.
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
And I had, this was before cell phone stuff, I have a book of all my friends' phone numbers and I just go down the list and memorize all the numbers.
unidentified
That's awesome.
ian crossland
Just have them all in my head.
But it was great for like memory retention.
tim pool
Yeah, back in the day when you needed to know who's number, like, how old are you, James?
seamus coughlin
I'm 25.
So you don't... No, I remember having to memorize people's numbers.
I mean, I didn't get my first cell phone until high school, so I did quite a bit for them.
tim pool
And now I don't remember anybody's phone number.
seamus coughlin
No, never.
It's sad that you just lose it.
tim pool
Yeah.
I used to remember, like, 50 to 100 phone numbers.
seamus coughlin
Yeah?
tim pool
It's like, oh yeah.
Now it's... You know what's gonna happen is... I was watching an episode of Outer Limits.
We're just gonna have our brains plugged in, like a neural link or something.
ian crossland
But what if the power goes out?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
It's so theoretical to me.
seamus coughlin
and they're like, oh no, man, I really hope not.
I really hope not.
I'm not volunteering for that if it ever becomes reality.
Because I wonder I'm skeptical of the fact that we ever really
ian crossland
could solar flare it out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
It's so theoretical to me.
I just I'm just so skeptical of all of that.
I feel like so many predictions, whenever we make predictions for the future, this is going to sound so, um, this is actually going to sound really, really, uh, how should I put this?
Vapid.
But look, I mean, the reality is either people like way over predict or way under predict.
When you like look at a magazine, like from the early 1900s, what will the year 1909 look like?
tim pool
Firefighters would be flying.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember I saw one where everyone was transported around in these, like, large hot air balloons.
It's very cool looking, but every time I hear a prediction of the future, I just, I look and I think about that.
ian crossland
I think I already know the answer, but would you plug your brain into the neural net?
seamus coughlin
100% no, never.
ian crossland
Would you consider it?
tim pool
Would you wait?
seamus coughlin
No, I just wouldn't.
I don't think I would do it.
tim pool
You don't want to join the Borg?
seamus coughlin
Absolutely not.
I understand that resistance is futile.
ian crossland
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
Not for me.
This is why we need the Second Amendment.
tim pool
Yeah, no Neuralink!
But what if Neuralink gives you the ability to, like, experience different worlds and, like, virtual reality and... No.
seamus coughlin
This world's enough.
tim pool
Is it?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But you can't fly around shooting laser beams out of your eyes and throwing fireballs at the, you know, the evil... You can't.
seamus coughlin
You can't.
You don't know what it is.
ian crossland
What if it made you able to draw your art faster and better?
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's a good question.
I would still just want to use the computer.
tim pool
What if you could download, like, jiu-jitsu?
And then you just, like, you know, like the Matrix, and you just click the thing, and then you're like, whoa!
And then you just knew everything.
seamus coughlin
I just feel like there would be so many unintended consequences and implications to that that I can't even begin to comprehend, that I just can't agree with.
ian crossland
What I'm afraid of is that other people will plug in and then they'll start doing, like for you for instance, they'd start drawing and so many people would be able to do exactly what you did but better, faster, that you'd fall behind.
tim pool
Communism.
seamus coughlin
Uh-oh.
ian crossland
Digital communism.
tim pool
Yeah.
Neuralink.
Everyone would be the same.
I would plug in, you'd plug in, and then we would sync, and I would have all of your abilities.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Now I'd be like, now I am the freedom genius.
seamus coughlin
You'd steal from me.
That's exactly why I don't plug in.
I don't want anyone to steal my ideas.
That's the whole reason I'm afraid here.
tim pool
So, uh, I want to just say one thing real quick.
Sorry to everybody about the internet, man.
It's like, it's cutting in and out.
It's really bad.
seamus coughlin
Oh no!
tim pool
But it's fine because we're gonna, we're gonna, this will be uploaded in, in, in clips the next day and we're gonna get everything fixed by like probably tomorrow.
We, we were climbing on the roof today laying cables and stuff and we've had... Beautiful.
It's like, it's, it's, it's giving us IP issues.
and so it's just causing the internet to cut in and out and uh... but we're gonna
put up the full podcast on itunes and everything and the clips will be up tomorrow so
you know what will uh... what will keep talking about stuff about we uh... we jump over to uh...
bloomberg trying to buy the florida vote may a bloomberg so this next story
From the Daily Mail.
Is Bloomberg trying to buy the Florida vote?
Billionaire pays off more than 20 million dollars in debt for 31,000 felons so they can vote in the state where just
537 votes decided the presidential election in 2000 Wow, is it a dirty move to give people the right to vote?
ian crossland
No That's my initial thought
No way, man.
Liberate.
tim pool
But he's a rich guy.
He's putting his thumb on the scale.
ian crossland
That's what we should use our money for is to help the people that are stuck.
tim pool
Then why don't we just tell them they can vote?
ian crossland
Oh, well, we'd have to change the law to do that.
tim pool
Yeah.
So I don't know.
What do you think?
Is this playing dirty or is this the right move?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, it strikes me as playing dirty, but I have obvious biases here.
I know that he's just trying to get somebody elected who I very much don't like.
I'm trying to think how I would feel if it was somebody doing that because they thought it would get a Republican elected and if I'd feel any different about it.
To me, I've become more and more wary of people just using massive amounts of money to try to influence political change.
But on the other hand, I'm sure if I had billions of dollars, I would probably attempt to do the same thing.
So it's difficult for me to say one way or the other.
I'm sorry, I'm being a bit of a fence-sitter here on this one, but it's something I need to give more thought to, because I just heard this story today, so I haven't really had time to fully put together my opinion on it.
tim pool
How many right-wing people are dumping tons of money in to do similar things like this, but tell Trump?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Legit question, like how many do you know?
seamus coughlin
I don't know of any.
tim pool
Because I've heard of like, we've all heard of the Koch brothers.
seamus coughlin
The MyPillow guy.
tim pool
The MyPillow guy.
Oh, he's the biggest, you know.
ian crossland
I don't know anything about him.
tim pool
Those pillows, no.
I mean, he does fund Tucker Carlson, basically.
Selling them pillows.
But the Mercers as well have been, like their name has popped up.
But it feels like there's way more left-wing rich people.
seamus coughlin
Isn't that interesting?
It's just very intellectually fashionable in their circles.
And it's funny because we know that they said they were not going to, like Disney, for example, wasn't going to film in Georgia anymore because of the heartbeat bill.
They said they could not in good conscience.
I believe maybe this was in third exact language, but the idea was they could never film in a state that limited a woman's right to choose to kill an unborn child.
And then they went and they filmed in China where there are Uyghur concentration camps.
tim pool
And thanked the security forces that were enforcing it.
seamus coughlin
And some people are saying, oh, well, they're complete hypocrites.
I think it's even more insidious than that.
But they believe that they can put economic pressure on Georgia to change its laws.
ian crossland
Who are these people?
seamus coughlin
This is Disney.
And they're going to DMCA this.
ian crossland
Are you talking about Georgia the state or the country?
seamus coughlin
No, the state of Georgia.
tim pool
Yeah, they said they wouldn't film there because of the pro-life ruling?
seamus coughlin
It was a heartbeat bill saying if there is a heartbeat, you cannot abort.
ian crossland
Wow, so it's politically expedient when it's expedient, but fiscal when it's fiscal?
Is that why they're in China?
tim pool
It's fake.
It's because China has money and no one in China is going to complain and no one in America is going to complain about China, so they get away with it.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
This is like, everything we're seeing is what happens when there is no check on one political faction.
So the left controls, they have a monopoly on the culture, so they've gone insane.
Nothing makes sense, it's all just purely insane.
And the Republicans don't have a monopoly on government.
So I find it really funny when the left says, you know, I'm the counterculture revolutionary resistance, woohoo, Donald Trump is bad, and I'm like, Yeah, the Republicans control the presidency and the Senate.
That's powerful.
But, like, the left has all culture.
Colleges, TV, video games, everything.
Movies.
ian crossland
What about, like, foreign oligarchs that are funneling money through Panama that are helping?
I don't even know who they're helping.
Are they helping the Republicans?
Are they funding?
tim pool
No, probably not.
I mean, if you want people setting up factories in your country where they pay dirt wages in sweatshops, Then Trump's not your guy.
Trump's the guy who's like, bring the factories back.
lydia smith
We already know that... Let me see if this is working.
tim pool
I don't think it's working.
lydia smith
Are we working at all?
ian crossland
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I can hear you.
lydia smith
So we already know that Russia is favoring Trump, right?
And then China is favoring Biden.
Is this correct?
Because Biden is not going to be the one who brings the jobs back to the US.
tim pool
No, Biden's gonna be the one who brings them back to China.
seamus coughlin
Well, what about this?
What if Russia spent $47,000 on Facebook ads, mostly unrelated to the election, and it changed American democracy forever?
tim pool
Like, that's what happened.
seamus coughlin
Changed democracy.
I love how, like, that was this big smoking gun.
And it wasn't even Russia, actually.
It was Russian companies, right?
It wasn't even actually the Russian government.
tim pool
But going back to that gang-stalking thing, where the people think they're being targeted, have you ever been called a Russian bot?
seamus coughlin
I have not yet.
I've been called worse things, but I'm sure at some point somebody's going to call me a Russian bot.
tim pool
It's a really common thing.
You'll see people be like, you're a bot.
You're a Russian bot.
You're just a bot.
You're not real.
Everyone's a robot.
They're all twinging at me.
ian crossland
Do people call you the Tim bot yet?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
No?
tim pool
What?
seamus coughlin
When Elon Musk plugs us in and does the Neuralink, we're all going to be Russian bots.
Vladimir Putin's going to hack us.
tim pool
It's going to be great when we all get the Neuralink and then, you know, everyone just knows what everyone else is thinking.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, that sounds fantastic.
tim pool
I kind of like your idea.
seamus coughlin
I hate it.
ian crossland
Really?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you have to have some privacy.
tim pool
It's not going to work, because what if someone hacks your neural link?
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
And then what does that mean?
What did the neural link do to the pigs?
What was he doing?
ian crossland
It didn't look like it had any adverse effects.
tim pool
No, but what was he doing?
ian crossland
Oh, they were measuring activity in the frontal lobe.
seamus coughlin
They found all of the pig's most embarrassing thoughts and then told its friends.
ian crossland
Yeah, you need to go deeper into the brain to get that stuff.
The threads are too thick right now.
But it was measuring like what they were smelling was translating into electrical impulses into different areas.
And then they could read like, kind of read what they were smelling, I think.
seamus coughlin
I saw a long time ago, probably like maybe three or four years ago, I saw a video about this little device they made that they hook up to a cockroach's antennas and it puts electrical signals to them, which makes the cockroach move in certain directions based on what it thinks it's sensing.
Yeah.
And it was like, I guess a little toy that they were like using with the remote control to move the roach around, which is really freaky.
And I think one of the scientists who was discussing, and I watched a couple videos on it, and they were doing experiments with beetles, and they said that they could tell that there were signals in the brain attempting to fight the electrical signals.
unidentified
Dude!
seamus coughlin
So, yeah, it wasn't even as if this, yeah, it was actually fighting against the brain, but still making them do it.
ian crossland
Is that gonna happen?
tim pool
Is that the future?
Well, so, I don't know.
I was actually watching something about how I don't know exactly what it was.
I was reading something about how if your equilibrium or the stuff in your ears that helps you keep balance, they could alter your sense of balance.
So you're standing perfectly still, but you feel like you're falling backwards.
So you start trying to move forward and they could control your movement by tricking your brain's balance.
So you're like, whatever, you know, yeah.
ian crossland
Dude, it's gonna make people control bots that have super abilities.
seamus coughlin
I just hope it all collapses.
If we could ever get to that point, I would like to think industrial society would just collapse before then.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
Hold on.
Let's say there's somebody who's a violent murderer, right?
First, let me ask you your honest opinion.
What do you do with a violent murderer?
You catch them.
They're caught.
They're subdued.
They're cuffed or in the back of a car.
What do we do?
Really bad murder.
Really bad.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, bring them off to prison.
tim pool
And then just pay for them to live in prison forever?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, I think if a society has the resources to sustain somebody like that without having to kill them, you should keep them alive.
tim pool
And so, let's operate under the assumption that this guy says, I'll never stop!
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
tim pool
If you let me out, I'll kill again!
And wouldn't it be the option to give him a neural link instead, and then just disable murderous rampage?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's an interesting thought, because it's so hypothetical, and what you're talking about is taking a person's free will, but of course when we put somebody in prison, we're taking their freedom.
And it's worse.
Yeah, but we're also not taking away their ability to make choices.
That's really complicated, because then you start to get into the question of, well, what about the different...
Drugs that we give people to regulate their mood does that in some way take your free will from you because you're
modifying the way That your brain works. Obviously, that's a very different
example, but there's a spectrum some drugs We would agree do take your free will you're just not
really able to function on them and make Decisions you would make otherwise whereas some drugs not
as much like you know, like with a drug you might be
Prescribed for for depression or anxiety or something will will have different effects on your brain then than others
then maybe like hard street drugs But then the question is, yeah, at what point do you reach the limit?
I don't know.
tim pool
I think the bigger fear I have, so I understand the idea.
I'm not necessarily a fan.
If you have like a violent murderer or a pedo or something, they'll never change.
You put a neural link, you click a button, boom, gone.
All those behaviors are removed.
Where's the line and who controls it?
That's the scary thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So let's say you end up as a right winger, and they're like, ooh, let's get rid of that, let's get rid of that.
And then what happens is, the reason why I'm really skeptical on the Neuralink stuff is, you might get the Neuralink thinking, it's gonna be great, I can connect to the internet, I can just think, I can play video games, I can literally go into Skyrim world, like have this thing into my brain, it's amazing!
And then someone can hack into your brain and be like, let's make this person a murderer, and they think they're a duck, and then you're gonna be like, running around going, Like bashing your face into people.
Like do you want to give someone access to your brain through the internet?
Nah.
So do you guys know about like pacemakers and like insulin pumps and stuff?
So these are things that people get because they would die without.
They also have wireless connections in them so you can control them because you can't go in the body.
So, people have hacked them.
Oh my goodness.
And if someone's got like a pacemaker and you hack it, you can do things to it.
seamus coughlin
That's horrible.
tim pool
Right.
So the same thing with insulin pumps.
I went to, I think I was at DEFCON, which is the hacker convention, and there was someone doing a demo of how they could wirelessly hack an insulin pump, and... Did you just kill somebody?
So imagine you have a neural link, and Elon Musk's gonna be encrypted, and I'm like, oh come on, encrypted will be cracked, and then what?
And they're gonna keep playing the encryption race?
I'm not gonna be the guinea pig, just to link my brain to the network, so that someone, when someone cracks the latest encryption, they get access to my brain in any capacity.
I don't care for what reason.
I don't care if they're reading my vitals.
You know what they can learn from your vitals?
They can learn a lot about what you're doing.
They're gonna be like, looking at their phone, going, huh, Seamus is pooping.
Nah, that's okay, that's my private time.
You know, when I read the news, you leave me alone.
But Facebook knows just without even doing any of that stuff.
Because they can just, they know everything you're doing whenever you're doing it.
Have your location.
Like, we're already getting to that point.
And so I'll tell you this.
You know what, you know what?
Maybe the answer is, who cares?
Just Neuralink.
You know why?
We're already being manipulated.
Why does Twitter send me these random tweets?
You ever get this thing where it's like, so-and-so liked this.
And it just shows you and it's like, Donald Trump does a backflip off the White House.
I'm like, okay, so I really do think I think a better way to put it is what Michael Malice said actually
He said some really bad people got data on how much we're willing to it to take
So that's fascinating So they know they can do certain things because they know
how we behave and they'll do whatever they want Until we reach that line and then they'll dance right back,
you know off of it But, my main point about Neuralink is, the things you see on Facebook, the algorithm, it's gonna shape what you wanna do, when you wanna do it.
I mean, I was reading something about studies where it said like, a certain color room will have a certain effect on you, like a red room will make you angrier, a blue room will calm you down, a yellow room makes you hungry, or is more likely to.
So what happens if Facebook decides, you know those colored boxes that appear with text in them?
What if they say, we're gonna show only the red ones to the Antifa people, and so they're inundated by all this red and black, and they're just constantly like, rawr, and like angry.
ian crossland
Even simpler with a neural net, you could have someone see like a red haze over everything, a red filter, and then they would get desensitized, wouldn't even realize they're looking through red, and it might change their subconscious behavior.
tim pool
I don't know to what extent Neuralink could actually alter your brain.
ian crossland
Alter the way you see.
They say it's gonna make you see in infrared, I'm sure there's so much over-promising with that, too, though.
He did say he was going to relaunch and land rockets, and he made it happen, like, in three years.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
And he's building the Starship to Mars.
He's building it.
So, I'll tell you what, man.
You know what I want?
I want to play Skyrim.
Or whatever the next Elder Scrolls is.
I'm going to sit in my chair, and I'm going to press the button and just, like, donk out.
And then I'm going to be in, you know, six games at the same time.
seamus coughlin
Don't do it, Tim.
I wonder, yeah, so that's interesting.
Imagine if we could get to, again, extremely theoretical, but if we could get to a point where you could read somebody's thoughts or at the very least detect what kind of mood they're in, and then you could sort of peek in and examine what mood they are in when certain concepts are being explained to them, then you'd be able to evaluate their political views or whether or not they hold perspectives you consider to be unsavory.
That's scary.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
But what's awesome is if you're playing Skyrim and then you forget you're playing Skyrim and you start playing another game with your Skyrim character and you're in the other game, you'll like your- I think people would lose their mi- I don't think people's psyche could handle that.
seamus coughlin
They would think that they were in a video game once they were outside of the video game.
tim pool
Guys, guys.
You're in the game right now.
seamus coughlin
No, stop.
ian crossland
I'm telling you keep telling me that I think you're right.
seamus coughlin
No way.
tim pool
This is really funny comic where it's a there's like a guy opens a bag and there's a silica gel packet in it.
Have you have you guys you know, it's like a gel packets.
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
So when you when you buy like a piece of equipment, there's a packet.
It's a silica gel.
It absorbs absorbs moisture.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
It says silica gel, do not eat.
And so the first panel shows him like opening the bag and he sees it.
And then he, and then he looks at it and he goes, big silica is not going to tell me what to do.
And he throws it in his mouth.
Then the next panel is him like a shocked face.
And then the last panel is him with a hat on with like wires coming out of it.
And he's in a hospital and there's two doctors saying, congratulations, you've escaped the simulation.
seamus coughlin
I saw that one.
No, that is very funny.
I saw that one.
That cracked me up.
I love it.
ian crossland
I wonder if we're being controlled from a distance.
seamus coughlin
I don't think so.
tim pool
In what way?
ian crossland
Like, our brains are electromagnetically being told how to pull on our muscles.
Like, we got these jellyfish creatures in us, like the brain and brain stem, floating in this meat sack.
That's basically what we are, is the brains and the brain stem, this creature that's, like, with electrical impulses, pulls on the muscles.
seamus coughlin
I think that seeing the brain is too separate from you, though.
I mean, like, we're a body-soul composite, and your brain is part of you.
Your brain is not the separate thing.
All of you is you.
All of you is you, though.
tim pool
Is it, man?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I believe so.
ian crossland
Why are we pulling on meat?
tim pool
I don't think so.
unidentified
No, man.
tim pool
Haven't you ever heard stories about how, like, when people get organ transplants, and then all of a sudden they, like, get memories, or they, like, pick up behaviors?
I don't know if any of that's true.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I have no clue.
ian crossland
There's neurons in your stomach.
seamus coughlin
I assume not, but you never know.
ian crossland
Definitely.
It's more than your brain, because they have neurons in other muscles.
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't even know, but I guess you're sort of boiling it down to neurons are you, and I would say you extend beyond neurons.
ian crossland
So, like, is there something out there that's you that's telling your neurons how to behave?
seamus coughlin
Or maybe out there, maybe in you.
I mean, I believe in a soul, and I believe that we are a body-soul composite, so I wouldn't limit me to just my brain and say that my body is something separate from it, or that my soul is something separate from it.
I think you are all of it.
tim pool
I think I figured it out, bro.
seamus coughlin
Oh no.
tim pool
The answer to everything.
What is it?
It's not a simulation that we're in.
We're in a video game, alright?
Your soul is actually you, like you're playing the video game, right?
And heaven is when you beat the game and you get the awards after the game is over.
And guess what the point of the game is?
High score, baby!
Make as much money, hoard it all!
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness!
Oh my goodness!
tim pool
I got more points than you!
ian crossland
Different goals for different people, because some people want to have the best body.
Some people want to have the most money.
Some people want to see the most people alive.
tim pool
Listen, you can play Skyrim and level yourself up to level 99 and still not beat the game.
ian crossland
But it's like, it's like The Sims.
Have you ever heard of The Sims?
Different Sims have different aspirations.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
tim pool
But let's say, let's say you right now are at an, you know, Donald Trump's legacy.
That's the video game.
It's called President Trump.
That's the video game.
And you're right now at a competition to beat the game the fastest to win the award or whatever.
And in order to beat the game, you got to do a bunch of things.
And instead, you're sitting around talking about, what, space and Neuralinks and whatever.
And they're saying the point of the game, you win when you break, you know, 10 million points.
And you're saying you're not even trying to get 10 million points.
ian crossland
How do you get the points, though?
tim pool
It's money.
seamus coughlin
Is that it?
Is this the meaning of life is money?
tim pool
Just collect as much money as possible so you don't die.
seamus coughlin
Thank God that's not true.
unidentified
Currency got invented.
tim pool
That'd be so horrible.
seamus coughlin
When was currency invented?
Currency got invented.
unidentified
40,000?
seamus coughlin
That'd be so horrible.
ian crossland
Like, before, when was currency invented?
40,000?
No, not that long ago.
It didn't used to exist.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, people have developed currency in isolation, too, though.
It was not as if, like, John Q. Currency invented it, and then we started using it after.
I think, like, in some places they used shells and other beads, or I think different kinds of flowers.
It was just something that the people perceived as scarce and valuable, and it became a common medium of exchange.
ian crossland
You know what is the future currency?
Electricity.
They actually call it currency.
Electrical current is currency.
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
ian crossland
It's literal.
tim pool
I think energy is the basis for the value of a lot of currency, though.
I mean, so you think about why does a dollar have value, and then you try and determine what is a living wage, and what does a person deserve, and the value of a dollar is tied to what you can get for it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And it comes down to energy.
So human labor is extremely expensive.
Extremely expensive.
So we've started replacing human labor over and over again throughout history, right?
Very early on in human existence, human labor was everything.
A human would build, a human would pull, a human would drag stuff.
And then we were like, yo, that big thing with hooves is bigger than me.
Let's tie stuff to it, make it carry it.
And then it would.
And then we started using animal energy.
Then we started learning about, you know, burning carbon for energy.
We've continually improved the different sources of energy and how to manipulate the energy.
And so, I guess, based on like the petrodollar and stuff and the way war works and oil, the basis of our currency is very much so energy return.
So, it's mostly oil, right?
Why does someone want any money?
Because the oil you can get for it, you can use to build, and you don't need humans.
Like, the amount of energy compared to, like, what a human can produce, versus what a machine can do, lifting, like... We see the... I love ancient aliens, and they talk about, like, how did humans possibly live these giant stones?
And they could!
I watched this really cool one.
Where this dude, he like, took, it was a gigantic, like, multi-ton stone, and he hammered a wooden wedge under it, and then started rocking it back and forth.
And then he dug a hole, and then it flipped over.
And he was like, that's how you do it.
You use its own weight, and you apply very little energy to wobble it.
If you had a crane, you could just move it.
Just like that.
So if you have the oil, you don't need the people.
So the energy coming is way more valuable.
So we've been replacing human labor with machine labor, and that's the problem.
The Industrial Revolution had riots, and there's going to be a free energy riot.
I mean, the conspiracy theory is that free energy, or some form of it, at least in our system, it would be equivalent to free as far as we're concerned.
is being withheld because it would lead to widespread riots and discord and collapse, and we don't want that to happen.
I don't think I believe that, because that's just, like, out there.
But, I mean, the idea makes sense, so people believe it, whether or not they have evidence.
But Andrew Yang talks about how automation is going to be the next industrial revolution.
People are going to lose their jobs because we're going to replace them with more efficient systems.
And we don't need the energy they can produce, because it's dramatically less than the computer.
The computer takes a little bit of energy and it can do 10 times.
You just tap the thing, boop, boop, boop, and I got my cheeseburger with extra, you know, ketchup or whatever.
Talking to the person, man, that's a lot of work.
ian crossland
You know what else Andrew Yang suggested is that we get every cop a blue belt, no, there's a purple belt in jiu-jitsu.
Every police officer should study jiu-jitsu.
tim pool
Yeah, but then they can't even do chokeholds.
unidentified
Not yet.
seamus coughlin
I think my thing with there being a second industrial revolution because of our technology is that, I mean, in the long run, yes, there were problems and there were some pretty short-term hiccups and serious ones.
I don't mean to delegitimize those or say there weren't actual problems, but in the long run, we have benefited immensely from the industrial revolution.
So a second technological revolution would probably be very good for us, at least materially speaking.
ian crossland
And they're afraid of the short-term chaos.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they're afraid of the short-term chaos and probably wondering how we could mitigate that, which I think is probably a fair concern if we really get to that point.
I don't know if I bind the idea that we are going to get to the point where human labor is so unnecessary that we will have these riots, but maybe.
I don't know.
tim pool
That's why humans need skills.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Something you can do beyond what the machines can do.
And so that's why I think a lot of people are like, college is the answer, college is the key.
But college doesn't work that way.
It doesn't give people these skills.
It actually hurts them.
seamus coughlin
It gives administrators jobs.
ian crossland
That's what it does.
Improving your own body is pretty fun, because no computer can do that for you.
tim pool
I think it's funny how they, you know, I hear from so many of these commies, they're like, don't you want to live like how Star Trek was?
And I'm like, but that's not what you're doing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I love that.
seamus coughlin
Like, just referencing science fiction and being like, wouldn't that be great?
Look at this fantasy of something that's never happened that somebody imagined to be great.
Wouldn't that be great?
Yes.
tim pool
I got into an argument with a DSA person who was saying, like, don't you want to live like Star Trek?
And I said, sure, once we have replicators and we're post-scarcity, we can have a conversation about how our government works.
And they said, dude, scarcity doesn't exist.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
And I was like, What?
Like, have we cured every cancer?
Okay, then clearly the treatments that exist are scarce.
In fact, some of them don't even exist.
And they didn't get it, like, nah man, you're just propaganda.
And I'm like, so you think- What?
Actually, I kid you not, I said, do you think the hospital has a cure for all diseases?
Yes.
It's conspiracy theory stuff.
It's insane.
They think it's- you ever see the movie Elysium?
seamus coughlin
I'm familiar with the concept.
tim pool
It's like the giant ring floating in space where all the rich people live and they all speak French and all the poor people speak Spanish.
And the movie's predicated upon this idea that rich people have these machines that you go and it cures you of all ailment.
And they just won't give it to the poor people for no reason.
seamus coughlin
They just won't share it because they're big jerks.
tim pool
Exactly.
And then a bunch of ships crash into Elysium, and then they're like, now we're gonna reset the system, and then everyone can have stuff.
And then they send all the pods down, and then everyone gets cured!
unidentified
Yay!
tim pool
Because how many pods were there, and how many people were there?
They never really answered that question.
They should do an after-credits scene where it's like everything's destroyed and everyone's suffering now, and now there's just nothing.
There's no rich people, there's no cure for anything, no one can get cured.
Congratulations, you burnt it to the ground.
unidentified
Because?
ian crossland
Oh, I was much less interesting than whatever you were gonna say.
seamus coughlin
Okay, well, don't put that much faith in me, but I appreciate it.
Even if we did reach a point where society was like Star Trek and you could fabricate any material thing in some kind of replicator, There would still be a scarcity of time.
You would still only have so much on the planet.
So scarcity will literally never disappear.
Scarcity will always exist.
It always exists.
There's only so much time you're on this planet for.
tim pool
And it's not just that.
Unless we have god-tier powers where we can manipulate reality, we're not going to get to a point where we've solved every problem.
Problems will always exist.
Think about it this way.
Let's say humans are immortal.
Completely immortal.
Alright, now we're immortal beings, we can fly, we can shoot laser beams out of our eyes, we have all these powers, and then one day Ian is like, yo, I'm gonna go to Alpha Centauri, I'll be back for lunch, and he bursts off into flyaway, and then, meteor hits him.
Smack.
Ian explodes into a million pieces, and we're like, no!
seamus coughlin
You guys might be doing that.
tim pool
Then the news cycle comes out and they're like, the problems of meteors crashing into
our cities needs to stop.
And then they need to solve the problem.
And then they create force fields and then the force fields, you know, there's always
going to be something until we can literally just like think and then do whatever we want.
It's never going to happen.
There's always going to be problems.
We need problems.
It's not that we need them.
It's that we're never even going to get to a point where we're teleporting and like flying
around and shooting laser beams.
It's always going to be like, okay, we're immortal now, but Ian got hit by a bus.
We couldn't save him.
ian crossland
Immortal but not indestructible.
seamus coughlin
That's one of the fears of living forever.
Biological immortality.
ian crossland
That's how much more of a tragedy it would be if someone got killed by an accident if we were supposed to live until 10,000.
seamus coughlin
And it would be inevitable that everyone would just get killed by an accident at some point.
ian crossland
That would be devastating.
seamus coughlin
No, it is interesting.
tim pool
Let's jump to Super Chats.
We have a bunch of people who have questions, and again, to everybody who's watching, I know a lot of people have dipped out just because the internet's been cutting in and out, and I'll tell you exactly what happened.
We ran 300 feet of cable, and the computer's giving us an Ethernet IP error, and I've gone through everything, and it just doesn't work.
So we're actually using a mesh network, which is causing us problems now.
Welcome to living in the middle of nowhere.
But I would like to send a special message to Verizon.
It has now been about three months where you haven't laid the cables down yet, and you told us it would be about a week, so I'm hoping you hear this, and Verizon, please help us get the internet you promised us installed, because I would like to be a customer of your business, and I guess I can't.
But that being said, thanks for everybody hanging out, and we're going to have the full podcast up on iTunes.
And, uh, we'll put up clips throughout the day tomorrow, so everything's gonna be high-quality HD, because we record this in-house as well.
And, uh, smash the like button, if you think we deserve it.
Otherwise, blame the internet!
Uh, but let's read some of the, uh, some of the comments.
Someone said, spin the UFO.
There's no, there's no UFO here.
We, we have to go get it.
We, you know the UFO, right?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
We have the UFO of the levitating thing.
seamus coughlin
Oh!
tim pool
It's not, we're not, we're not there.
We're in the middle of nowhere right now, in an undisclosed location in the mountains.
And that's why the internet doesn't work.
Oh, we got a question for you, Seamus.
Uh-oh.
Sporkwitch says, Seamus, why did you self forever sleep yourself?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Hashtag Epstein didn't kill himself.
seamus coughlin
Oh no!
tim pool
Is that a reference to one of your episodes?
seamus coughlin
Self forever sleep?
I think he's saying that I may or may not be slated to have some kind of accident at some point in the future due to my outspoken political beliefs.
tim pool
That's true.
Alright, let's see.
We'll jump down a little bit.
Okay, we have a bunch of funny questions, but sure.
Imago Mortis says, you all remember that Intercept article about a Pentagon video detailing the inevitable dystopian future of major cities?
Definitely worth a read.
seamus coughlin
Oh wow.
tim pool
Interesting.
seamus coughlin
I'd like to check that out.
tim pool
Charles Adams says, have you seen this?
Governor Ron DeSantis announces the Combating Violence Disorder and Looting and Law Enforcement Protection Act.
I think I saw this.
Wasn't that the thing where he said you block a road and it's like jail time?
seamus coughlin
What?
Yeah, I mean, honestly, oh no, that's good.
I mean, yes, people should not be standing in the middle of the street, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, but you're right.
Especially if they cause an accident and stuff like that.
But I think, you know, we have nonviolent civil disobedience where These activists would like sit in the middle of the road.
They'd immediately be arrested.
It would be cleared out in 20 minutes.
They'd cause a minor nuisance, get some press coverage.
And that's, I feel like that line is tolerable because we don't want the alternative.
If you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.
So we have to tolerate a certain level of disobedience without putting people in prison.
seamus coughlin
Sure, oh, definitely, but I guess the question is whether or not that's tolerable.
You're right, if it's 20 minutes, it might not be as big a deal, but if you're blocking off an entire road and ambulances can't get by, for example.
tim pool
Then the cops come in and arrest you.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
It's already illegal to do.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, okay, that's good.
tim pool
So typically what happens is you get a supervision charge, you get locked up for a day or two while you wait arraignment, and you blocked a road.
It's like, okay, well, we don't like you did it, but we get it, you made your point, congratulations.
The alternative would be, you give them prison time, then people are gonna start getting violent, they're gonna go black block Antifa, they're gonna put masks on and run through the streets full speed, they're gonna escalate their tactics.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think it just needs to be understood by the people who want to block the street that you are gonna make people and their automobiles feel extremely unsafe and you have to be prepared for one of them to lose their cool.
tim pool
Yeah.
Mads says, and this was a while ago, he says, turn up the volume, fam.
So, uh, hopefully the volume has been... Oh, no.
lydia smith
I think we got that fixed.
tim pool
Yeah, this is an old super chat, but, uh, we are... I'll just put it bluntly.
We built a new studio.
There's, like, I work all day every day, so it's quite literally sink or swim, you know?
Fly or fall.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
We just jumped right out of the nest and saw if we can do it, and we had a bunch of problems yesterday with, like, the audio was not working, and now today we're having all these internet troubles, and it's like, you know what, man?
There would be no opportunity for me to set this up.
Unless I just came in and did it.
seamus coughlin
I get it.
tim pool
And now we've worked this.
We had this really awesome audio guy come in.
This guy, Chad.
And he set up this mixer and it's all really great and everything sounds a lot better.
We do need to turn the volume up a little bit.
I hear that.
And we can easily just boost that.
But now we gotta figure out why the internet's giving us the business.
So I need a network engineer.
Seriously, someone who can just be like, oh, fix it and click a button and then boom, internet's working.
So it could just be simply the Internet's really bad, right?
So we get about 20 megabits up and I don't know if that's enough.
ian crossland
Are you on Wi-Fi now?
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so I think the mesh network is just deteriorating.
So we'll need to figure something out.
unidentified
But we'll just we'll read more Super Chats, you know, while we're here.
tim pool
Mark G says, this cast isn't what I expected.
No monocles and mustaches or two people made of straw.
seamus coughlin
Oh no.
unidentified
Yes, the straw men as well as the debunkers, they may turn up for a visit at some point.
tim pool
I do think it's funny that we haven't gotten you to do more impersonations.
seamus coughlin
I know.
You guys are just abusing me.
unidentified
Give me some.
seamus coughlin
You wasted.
unidentified
Okay, folks, honestly, if you think I just came here to do impressions instead of discuss aliens and UFOs and being in a simulation and all these other things we're having a conversation about, you're absolutely out of your mind, okay?
That stuff's way more interesting than talking about, like, the consumer spending crisis that we've seen in healthcare over the past 40 years, which is a result of Medicare and Medicaid, which is a government policy, so universal healthcare is not the option that we should be going for as a country, okay, gang?
tim pool
And you can just go that fast and say all of that.
unidentified
Yes, gang.
I was basically Ben Shapiro at one point in my life.
I just aspired to be him and I just got very good at the skill set required to be Ben Shapiro.
But unfortunately, he beat me too and got the job first.
tim pool
So why don't you just do that and make legitimate political arguments?
seamus coughlin
As Ben Shapiro?
Because it wouldn't be honest to myself.
tim pool
But I think it's funny that like most people, if they do, like the people who are familiar with your kind of know you for a more comedic context and here you are having this like legitimate political discussion.
Very calm and reasonable and it's like, you know.
seamus coughlin
I wouldn't call anything I say reasonable, but I appreciate it.
tim pool
Yes.
Pat Lynch says, Joe Biden isn't a boomer.
He's ironically part of the silent generation.
Is he?
He's not a boomer.
seamus coughlin
No, he is silent generation.
tim pool
He is silent generation.
seamus coughlin
I think that maybe, actually I could be wrong.
He just said that.
And so I agreed with it, but.
ian crossland
So he was born in like 40, 41?
I don't know.
tim pool
Is that, is that, is that?
Oh, wait.
lydia smith
That's silent generation.
tim pool
Is it?
lydia smith
Really?
unidentified
Oh, that's after the Greatest Generation?
tim pool
It was Greatest, then Silent, then Boomers, or what?
seamus coughlin
I believe so, yeah.
The Greatest Generation would be the ones who fought World War II, correct?
tim pool
And then the Boomers were the kids of the Greatest.
And then, who were the kids of Silent?
Gen Xers?
seamus coughlin
Maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But Gen Xers seem to be alright.
It's the Millennials.
ian crossland
How dare you?
seamus coughlin
I don't know where I am.
I don't know if I'm Millennial or Gen Z. What year were you born?
unidentified
95.
tim pool
You're a Millennial.
seamus coughlin
Millennial, okay.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Gen Z is after 2000.
Really?
Yeah, something like that.
Maybe.
unidentified
Let's see.
tim pool
see. Adam Strangelove says, Tim, they might actually do the debate because recently Spotify
has come after Joe Rogan and made it so Spotify has the right to edit his streams.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Well, I don't know if that's true, but we were talking a lot about this because a lot of people
are worried about what's going to happen with Joe's podcast because some episodes have fallen off.
And then someone told me that he said it was because of a corruption in the files or something
like that. I don't know if that's true.
I don't know.
I don't really care that much I don't look the dude can do whatever he wants people are gonna get mad about it I think more people are mad about Joe because they're worried.
They're gonna lose a weapon in the culture war Yeah, they're like, but Joe is this guy who's fighting for us if he goes out they're gonna you know And so they don't actually care about what he wants to do and what his show is all about and it's like I'm gonna do my thing, you know, I'm on my business and People are correcting me a lot on the Brenna Taylor thing.
That they did actually knock before entering.
And the guy fired through the door.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I had no idea.
That changes everything.
And this is why I said earlier, no matter what the circumstances were, they would have treated it the exact same way and that's why I'm so skeptical of every single story I hear about this.
But also, one thing on Joe Rogan.
I was discussing this with you guys before we started the show.
When I first began college in 2013, I had the Joe Rogan experience recommended to me by a professor who was a liberal professor at the time.
And it's just funny because probably only three or four years after that, Joe Rogan started to be accused of being this alt-right, sympathetic, adjacent fascist sympathizer because he has conversations with people who they don't like.
It was just funny to me how much, how the culture changed so quickly.
To the point where, like, at the beginning of my college experience, liberal professors were recommending him.
By the very end, they were condemning him.
ian crossland
I think he was super liberal in the early days and then got a little more moderate.
seamus coughlin
I don't know if, yeah, I guess I couldn't speak to that because I didn't consume too much of his content early on, but I think the left, it could just be that the left has gone further to the left and so he appears more moderate.
I mean, yeah, they definitely have.
The question is, is that why he appears more moderate?
Maybe he's become more moderate because there's this sort of vicious cycle where the more crazy the left gets, the more likely standard left-wingers from about ten years ago are to actually move to the right.
tim pool
So I have a fact check here from Mumbling Bearded Freak, that's his name.
Tim, I don't think I've seen you get the facts of a story more wrong than the Breonna Taylor case.
Brandon Tatum has released court documents from the case that you need to read.
They knocked, she was named on the warrant, she was dealing.
So I'll look into it for sure.
But I'm more than happy to read the Super Chats if that's what they're saying.
I just tell everybody else, regardless of what I say or what anyone says, you should do the fact checks yourself to make sure.
Because I definitely think I'm missing a lot of details.
ian crossland
That really changes it.
If she was accused of drug dealing and then they knocked and the guy shot the cops through the door, I mean...
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, clearly it's still a tragic story when anyone dies, but that's very different from the police just bursting into the house and causing chaos.
tim pool
Right.
So Cliff says, Ethernet error from cable may be cable type.
Use coax for distance greater than 100 feet.
If coax already, error due to foam layer still on the central copper core.
We could have the wrong Ethernet cable, I suppose.
Perhaps.
ian crossland
Save that super chat.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, that could be the error, I suppose.
I guess we'll have to figure out what the, uh, what the issue is.
And, um, we'll get it taken care of tomorrow.
We have all day to do it and we will.
And, oh man, I don't want to announce the guests anymore because we've had some cancellations, but tomorrow's guest is so awesome.
It's going to be so cool.
seamus coughlin
Way better than me.
unidentified
Guns.
seamus coughlin
It just blows me out of the water.
tim pool
Guns, guns, guns.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I actually know who this is.
Yes, he is better than me.
You should watch.
tim pool
I didn't say better than you.
seamus coughlin
No, no, I'm kidding.
I was just saying that.
I'm just self-deprecating.
tim pool
Sam G. says, Freedom Tunes rules.
Thank you, Sam G. Just what you needed.
seamus coughlin
That's what I needed.
After being trashed, after Tim looked me in the eye and said he hated me.
tim pool
So he says, Ma'am, are you using your illegal run powers to take this woman's birth control pills from her ovaries?
seamus coughlin
That's right, your illegal nun powers, which is exactly what the Catholic Church is trying to do.
And if Trump appoints this horrible theocrat to the Supreme Court, they're going to steal birth control forever.
It's going to be like the Grinch coming down your chimney and going to your bathroom and just taking birth control out and then sneaking out of your house.
tim pool
And pharmacies.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, we got a question for you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Sure.
tim pool
Let's say you cut off all of your limbs and are reduced to a talking head in a jar.
Is the pile of your limbs, which made up 90% of your body, you?
Or is your head you?
seamus coughlin
So I'm just a head in a jar?
I guess that's all that I am.
I mean, at that point, that has been discarded, but I would still say that I have like ownership over those limbs.
That's so hypothetical at that point.
I think What he's getting at could also be asked, like, if an arm is cut off.
Is the arm that was cut off you?
I believe, yes, not in the same way.
It's not attached to you anymore, but, like, that is still objectively your arm.
It's been separated from your body, but I think it's still part of you, right?
Because when you're getting hit in the arm, you don't say, like, oh, you're hitting my arm.
You'd be like, oh, you're hitting me.
Like, that's an aggression upon you as a whole.
tim pool
So then, like, throughout the day when your skin is, like, dry and flaking off, you're, like, basically spreading your body all over things?
unidentified
It's you.
seamus coughlin
You're all over the place.
Well, no, yeah.
Obviously, you get to a point where there's some part of you so small that we probably wouldn't consider it you, but it is a small part of you.
It's a question of, like, what do you identify with?
And you were talking about teleporters earlier, like, potentially getting there, and that almost kind of gets into, like, the... What's it called?
Thought experiment of like the teleporter.
If you're deconstructed in one place and built again, another place, uh, is that still you or is that just a copy of you?
So I don't like, yeah, it gets really complicated, especially when you get hypothetical, like a head in a jar or a teleporter experiment, uh, experiment like that.
But I just generally consider you and your body and your soul.
ian crossland
Are you, I think that the, your brain's like a radio and that certain frequency can activate it.
So like, if you reconstruct the exact same brain elsewhere, the same frequency can still hit it.
tim pool
Regardless of where the frequency's coming from.
Isn't it canon in Star Trek that when you teleport, you die and then a copy of you is made?
seamus coughlin
I don't know if that's canon, but it's definitely terrifying.
tim pool
There's an episode where Commander Riker was trying to beam off a planet that had some kind of atmospheric interference, and it caused his signal to split into two.
One bounced back and one went to the ship.
So the ship leaves thinking they got him, but left a copy of him on the ground.
seamus coughlin
Oh, what?
tim pool
Yeah, and so this was a whole arc where they had Commander Riker and Lieutenant Riker, and he, like, went by his middle name or whatever.
Wow.
seamus coughlin
So they made it canon, then, at that point, that it's not you.
You're just dying and they're reconstructing you.
tim pool
That's crazy.
seamus coughlin
That's terrifying.
tim pool
Because, like, if you teleported, I wouldn't know the difference.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
But you're dead.
tim pool
That's creepy stuff.
seamus coughlin
But then also, too, this is from a completely materialistic perspective.
Like, if you have a soul, does the soul move to the other body?
Or is this just not something that could occur at all?
Would the replicated version just not be animated because there was no soul there in the
original you was already dead
or can you never teleported anybody so we have no clue is there like a soulless
version of you now no I think you just die I think a soul needs to animate you
tim pool
yeah that's true so you think like like this
seamus coughlin
second copy would just be dead just dropped dead yeah yeah that'd be crazy
ian crossland
I think the soul's coming from the galactic core, and it's beaming to us, and giving us information, causing your brain to function in certain ways.
tim pool
You know, normally, I think hearing something like that, where it just sounds like, I don't know where you're getting that from, it sounds nuts.
But I mean, people have religious beliefs.
ian crossland
That's my religion.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
If you are like, I feel and I believe something and it's true, I'll be like, well, I certainly don't.
ian crossland
But if it's coming from the galactic core, it's coming from a universal core that's hitting the galactic core and then refracting to the sun, which is then refracting to the earth, then refracting to you or something like that.
tim pool
I think it's a simulation.
You know, I saw this really funny post where they said simulism, which is the belief that you're in a simulation, is just God for nerds.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
It's like people are so averse to a belief in God, but then if you say we're in a simulation, it's like, whoa man, that's so deep and cool.
tim pool
So quite literally you're saying someone programmed and designed everything and created as it is, and it took them a certain amount of time and were in their system by their design.
And they work in mystique.
You don't know what their end goals are, but you're, you know, it's, dude, it's just a more complicated version of the same thing.
So what if that is really crazy?
Like we, like the simulation, simulism almost creates a, like it almost just leads back into religion.
Mm-hmm, particularly like Abrahamic religion.
seamus coughlin
This is a different religion.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's but I mean, it's it's it's it's not the same as Buddhism Like simulism has the idea that there was someone who created.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, there's a creator Yeah, yeah creator and and it's design, you know, I mean, well, you could say then I mean, it probably wouldn't be a coincidence that it developed in the West It's sort of like a perversion or distortion, right?
But yeah, yeah, but but you could also say too I mean I don't think the idea of a creator was unique just to the West, too.
I think, like, obviously Buddhists don't necessarily believe in a creator, but other religions did.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's read this here.
Superchat from Court J. What do you think about outfitting the cops with a tech to just record the traffic violations while patrolling and then sending citations to the owner of the vehicle, reducing interactions?
I personally disagree.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think too many people would fight that.
They would try to fight that.
It's like, oh, there's some angle you didn't capture.
I wasn't actually guilty of this.
I don't know.
tim pool
Not even that.
You need to stop people who are causing, like if someone's drunk driving.
seamus coughlin
Also true.
tim pool
I mean, I guess it's a felony, so it's not the same as a citation.
But if someone's speeding and you're like, nah, you're going to take it in the mail, well, they're going to keep speeding.
They could hit somebody, you know?
So we definitely got to have cops stop people committing crimes.
Yeah, we could at some point, yeah.
freedom tunes with Tim Pool guest stars yeah wonderful yeah we could at some
point yeah all right let's see we got here big Mac attack says we're gonna
turn into into the super vampires from Jojo's bizarre adventure if we don't
kill ourselves in our great and in our greed to get there I don't know what
seamus coughlin
that is I never watched Jojo I remember the last time, I was watching a stream last time I was at your place.
You guys got into Naruto.
Yeah, and everyone's telling you all the things Naruto taught them.
And I was really tempted to like super chat in that Naruto taught me to run.
But I was like, no, I don't want to go there.
It's a tough subject for a lot of kids in gym class who ran like that.
And we all knew some of them.
tim pool
Did you?
unidentified
Wait, what?
tim pool
Really?
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, I feel like almost everyone I know has had the experience of seeing at least one kid in gym class do the Naruto run.
But maybe that's just- It's so inefficient.
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
But I guess like the idea is like they're running, so for those not familiar, their arms are like just flopping behind them as they run.
As if to simulate just like, they're running so fast their arms are just flailing behind them.
It's ridiculous.
Dude, I think the show's great, but that really is dumb.
They run like that, I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Do they all run like that or just him?
tim pool
They all run like that.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
Yep, they all do.
And they just like jump through the trees, and they like just jump from tree to tree, jumping like 100 feet at a time, and you know, it's not a time ninja's role, man.
seamus coughlin
How beautiful.
tim pool
Also, they can create fire and other magic from their hands by making hand signs, and it's a show about- Maybe that's why they run like that.
seamus coughlin
They don't want to accidentally discharge their hand magic in front of them as they're running.
tim pool
You never know, it could be safer.
You know what's really funny about the show, now that we're gonna get into like anime fandom- Oh no.
seamus coughlin
When you start- What have I done?
tim pool
When you start- Well, this is actually funny.
It's interesting.
When you start watching a show like Naruto, in the early series, it's about, like, ninjas.
And the ninjas have, like, ninja abilities.
Like, they can- Like, someone will throw, like, a ninja star, and they'll hit him, but then, poof!
It turns out it was a log the whole time, and like, whoa!
It was actually a log!
You tricked me!
And the guy's behind him with a knife.
And then later on the show gets crazier and crazier and it turns out the show is actually about an alien invasion.
I'm not even exaggerating.
Like, you watch this whole show and you think it's about ninja warring countries and then at the end it turns out it's an alien invasion and they're all wielding alien space magic.
No joke!
100% true.
seamus coughlin
Is that like a jump the shark thing or a thing they planned?
tim pool
I think it was a jump the shark thing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Cause like the original concept of the show is that people had like the inner energy and they could convert the energy into like elements.
And at the end it was like aliens came, you know, like they're being defied.
Your powers originated with the aliens who brought them and travel between dimensions.
And this is like, I don't even know what I'm watching anymore.
Like I liked it when the dude was hiding in the tree and like, was like, I will kill you with my knife.
And now it's like the space lady is like transporting to alternate realities.
And like this dude can like teleport.
I don't know what you're doing, man.
ian crossland
Whoa, sounds like psychedelics.
tim pool
Sounds like, I mean, you might enjoy the show, you know.
Alright, let's see.
Eric A. says, oh, I can't see what that says.
Just tried someone's super chat suggestion to ask Siri where the blank are.
You need to try it.
Is that terrorists?
I don't know.
I don't know what it says.
Certain words, you can't read them.
Dan Fitzpatrick says they found a dead body in Brenna Taylor's rental car.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
It was a knock warrant.
BF admits.
And the sergeant was shot.
How is it...
He got... she got shot and the BF didn't.
Whoa, this is not what people were saying.
seamus coughlin
That's crazy.
Yeah, we all just need to look more deeply into this.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Oh, this one's good.
Jordan Truso says, have you read Harrison Bergeron?
The short story.
Oh yeah.
Have you read it?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
It's basically a very short story about how people who are smart have to wear things in their ears that like make random noises to disrupt their thinking so that everyone's equal.
seamus coughlin
Oh my God.
tim pool
People who are tall have to like, you know.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I think I did read this actually in school.
tim pool
People who are strong have to wear weights so they're as weak as everyone else.
ian crossland
And this is like people in the neural net, and the one guy rips the neural net out, and he's like, no longer, and they're like, he's off the net, he's off the net!
tim pool
And you're like, there's this moment of love.
seamus coughlin
What a selfish guy.
tim pool
It ends with this, like, 7-foot-tall, super-ripped, chiseled dude, like, ripping off his chains, and then he, like, grabs this woman and rips her mask off, and she turns out to be beautiful, and everyone's like, oh no, what's happening?
seamus coughlin
I actually do remember reading that, yeah.
tim pool
Here we go.
Blue Satoshi says the Star Trek transporters are supposed to beam your matter from point to point, not copy you with local matter.
It's supposed to reconstruct you with the exact same matter you started off with.
Interesting.
There's like weird stuff about the Star Trek canon anyway, so I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it doesn't really fit, exactly.
tim pool
Grant Pickens says, Rick and Morty is awesome.
Thank you.
I think Rick and Morty is awesome, because I have nothing to do with the show, so I appreciate the super chat.
seamus coughlin
Let's see.
ian crossland
Hey, off topic, did you see Seth MacFarlane might be doing the new Cosmos?
seamus coughlin
He did.
tim pool
Oh, really?
seamus coughlin
He rebooted it a while ago, and they're relaunching it again.
ian crossland
That's exciting.
tim pool
I want him to get the rights to Star Trek.
ian crossland
Yeah, he wants it too.
tim pool
Bourbon Bear said, Bourbon Bear, I live in a not-too-great part of Louisville, but far away from downtown, and they boarded up the local police station.
My city is tense.
We're primed for violence, and I am afraid.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's gonna be crazy.
Alright, let's see.
CD Saint says, you laid 300 feet of cable.
If that was continuous, it may be your problem.
Limit of Cat5 is about 300 feet.
Yeah, I was looking into it.
We tried our best.
But the problem is, I was using a powerline adapter, for those that are familiar, and it said I was getting really good signal, but it wasn't working.
That's why I thought it was the computer.
Maybe we need just to try again.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
We'll try again tomorrow, and we'll troubleshoot.
The bigger challenge is there's only so many hours in the day, and I work most of them.
So, you know, we're working through it.
Gokama Bhandari gave a super chat and then retracted it, but hey, thanks for the money.
Let's see, uh, what is this?
Uh, let's jump down.
We got a super chat here.
Nope, that's the same one I read.
Uh, what is it?
The T-word answer is subversive?
Seriously, try the Siri thing.
Yes on the T-word, her answer is so subversive.
We don't have it.
Yeah, you're right.
None of us do, I don't think.
Do you have an iPhone?
seamus coughlin
Um, I do.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Well, I guess we'll try it later.
seamus coughlin
Should I ask, is this going to be put on some kind of list?
tim pool
Nah, maybe.
Alright, let's see.
Josh Frohman says, go ahead and defund the police, but repeal the NFA and Brady Bill so people can defend themselves with whatever they want.
Thoughts?
I think mandatory guns for all.
The cops show up and say, how many people live here?
And you say, uh, three.
Here's a Glock 9 for you.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
ian crossland
I think we should demilitarize the police.
Maybe, but not defund them.
Maybe reuse those funds to add social workers to the crew.
tim pool
I'll tell you what, with a militarized police force and a population armed to the teeth, no one's invading this country ever.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Never gonna happen.
ian crossland
It'd be from orbit.
tim pool
We've talked about that before.
Yeah, what I mean is there's not gonna be a land invasion no matter what.
You can't, you can't even drop people in.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
There's like everybody's nuts.
Like in terms of, I don't mean nuts isn't crazy.
I mean like ready to defend themselves, like armed to the teeth, you know?
All right, let's see.
Isaac says, watch Brave New World, a show about the flaws of a perfect 100% ideal communist society where no one owns anything.
Tony Young says, Seamus and Tim is the crossover of the year.
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
Seth says, Buddhists believe in gods.
We just don't worship them.
Maybe one of them created the world.
Buddhists just don't care.
Knowing who created our world doesn't help us end suffering now.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I would disagree, but different schools of, yeah.
tim pool
Sejong the Great says teleporters copy your matter, then send it.
If the matter isn't confirmed sent, it's returned to the teleporter.
That's what happened.
Talking about Star Trek again.
Grant Pickens says, as an electrician, you may try a signal booster near the source.
Guns are good.
seamus coughlin
Guns are good.
Agreed, yes.
tim pool
Thank you for that addition.
So, I think most people know your channel, but do you want to mention your channel and your social media and stuff?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I would love to just plug Freedom Tunes for you guys.
Go check it out.
YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.
And I'm also on Twitter.
That should be at Seamus Coghlan.
You gotta spell it.
Yeah, I know.
S-E-A-M-U-S underscore Coghlan.
C-O-U-G-H-L-I-N.
Just follow me there.
Mostly just subscribe to the YouTube channel.
tim pool
You gotta say Seamus underscore Coughlin.
seamus coughlin
I know, Seamus underscore Coughlin, I know.
Maybe I should just spell it phonetically in the tag so that people will actually be able to find me.
But yeah, we usually upload a new video every single week on Thursdays.
This week that got a little messed up because I was traveling, but yeah, check the channel out.
We throw up these fun little cartoons that people seem to be enjoying and maybe you could enjoy them too.
tim pool
And you put out a parody song today of Trump and Biden singing to each other.
seamus coughlin
That's right, that's right.
tim pool
And, uh, of course you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
And you can check out my other channels, uh, youtube.com slash TimCast, youtube.com slash TimCastNews.
This is TimCastIRL.
We will fix the internet by tomorrow, I promise!
We'll figure it out.
And, uh, you know, my one piece of advice to everybody, uh, first, I'll just apologize for all the hiccups you've been having on the show, because I know, you know, if you come here to watch a show and then it breaks, it's like, what are we doing?
But, uh, you just gotta start.
You just gotta start.
If we sat back and didn't know what to do, we'd have no show for, like, a week or two.
It's only because people have been giving us advice, people have been telling us what's not working, that it's working, so I really do appreciate the fact that, uh, all of you stick around and watch, because it's basically part of the process, and without you, we wouldn't even know what the issues were.
But, uh, also, Ian, you wanna mention your social?
Yeah.
ian crossland
You can follow me at Ian Crossland, um, pretty much everywhere.
And everywhere there's social media.
Instagram, Twitter, Mines, and...
unidentified
Twitch!
ian crossland
Because I just started streaming games, although I haven't in the last few days.
unidentified
No, good for you.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's pretty fun streaming with Adam Crigler.
tim pool
And you may have noticed briefly in the show, Lydia was using a shotgun mic to speak because we had another mic here.
So we're getting it.
We're getting it.
seamus coughlin
We're getting it.
tim pool
But you can follow Lydia at Sour Patch Lids.
Sour Patch L-Y-D-S on Twitter and Parler.
lydia smith
I am here.
I really am.
I have been here the whole time.
I'm switching the camera very erroneously since I have three people to switch for now.
It's a lot of fun though.
I've been quieter than usual and that's why, because I'm busy.
Sorry guys.
seamus coughlin
She was off screen making really angry faces every time I spoke.
lydia smith
I was, it's true.
seamus coughlin
My mind was melting.
tim pool
You can't see, but when the camera switches to Ian, I actually have to get up to hold her back from swinging at Seamus and I'm just like, no!
seamus coughlin
It's why they didn't let me on the podcast last time.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Because, you know, you started throwing bottles at people.
seamus coughlin
I get angry.
I get angry.
tim pool
Well, you know, you thought we wouldn't know it was you when you put the mask on and started screaming, the whole damn system is guilty as hell and marching through the neighborhood.
But we could tell.
seamus coughlin
I just, I don't, I don't accept that there's any evidence that that was me.
And this is a baseless accusation.
tim pool
Well then, we'll have to have you come back, I suppose.
seamus coughlin
I would love to.
tim pool
With a functioning internet.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that'd be great.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, hey everybody, really, thanks for hanging out.
We're going to be back tomorrow at 8pm and we're going to be talking about guns, guns, guns with somebody who's all about guns, guns, guns.
I'm hoping.
But, you know, sometimes these things happen.
And I'll tell you what's going to happen tomorrow.
Something else is going to happen.
The lights are going to shut off.
Because the internet was working okay yesterday and now it's bad today.
lydia smith
We'll do it by candlelight.
seamus coughlin
Yes, the show must go on.
tim pool
We'll get it done.
But we're gonna head out for now.
I will be back, of course, with all my normal segments in the morning starting at 10 a.m.
You can check it out YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
And then at 4 p.m.
YouTube.com slash TimCast.
I have way too many channels.
And again, Seamus, thanks for hanging out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, thank you.
God bless you.
unidentified
Appreciate you.
tim pool
Ian and Lydia, it's been fun.
And we'll be back tomorrow night with better internet.
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