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Sept. 21, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump Supporter Commits Suicide After Killing BLM Rioter In Self Defense
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cassandra fairbanks
45:00
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ian crossland
09:27
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tim pool
01:32:05
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unidentified
Welcome to our...
tim pool
you Oh, it's working.
Okay.
We just built a new studio, and so we have no headphones.
Headphones didn't work.
The mixer broke.
And I was like, we're just gonna go live anyway and assume that... I'm gonna assume you can hear me.
I don't know if you actually can, but we're hanging out with Cassandra Fairbanks.
Yay!
The lighting's not perfect.
I wish we could spin around and show you why it was really difficult to set up.
So we're... How does it sound so far?
ian crossland
Sounds great.
tim pool
It sounds good?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, wow!
I can't believe it.
We're in the middle of nowhere.
Um, and we- this was- I gotta say, man.
Thank you guys for tuning in today.
We rushed out into the middle of nowhere.
Nobody say where we are, mind you.
Nobody can know where we're at.
It's a secret.
But there's like no road to where we are.
The internet is awful.
I'm hoping that the show just works.
And this whole room was built in literally 24 hours.
Like, I can't believe we even have a desk.
And we went nuts trying to get everything set up, and it didn't work.
So Lydia has no microphone, but she does have a camera.
And we're going to hopefully get everything done in the next couple of days.
But we're going to be heading back to the original studio because we're in the process of moving back and forth, but we're going to talk about a bunch of stories today.
With Cassandra here, we have a bunch of stuff, because Cassandra basically knows everything about the culture war, conflict with the Proud Boys, Trump supporters and stuff, and we've got a whole bunch of your stories from Gateway Pundit.
And I don't like the Gateway Pundit.
cassandra fairbanks
I know.
You remind everybody every day.
You bring it up a lot.
tim pool
I have to, though, because a lot of the stories are like...
That's a little too much.
But your stories always tend to check out, right?
A lot of your stuff is like, you've got the sources in the story.
So it's really easy when we're talking about, you're like, so the one thing I would talk about is Omaha Bar Owner.
And then you have all the videos and everything.
And I'm like, oh yeah, clearly this happened.
You have comments, the stories, the sources, the citation.
But you know, in terms of your work, I think your work is fantastic.
Thank you.
But I don't know.
Do people know that like, we've known each other for a really, really long time?
cassandra fairbanks
I think a lot of people know, because every time you talk about my stories, people are like, when are you going to go on Tim's show?
And I'm like, I don't know why I haven't been on Tim's show.
tim pool
Because you live far away, I guess.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, your secret bunker is really close to my secret bunker now, though.
tim pool
Relatively.
cassandra fairbanks
Relatively.
tim pool
The other day, we were trying to get food, and they couldn't find us.
And I was like, yes!
I even gave them my address, and they're like, I have no idea where this is.
And I was like, just keep going.
Like, we turned around.
You'll never find me!
We're hanging out with Ian.
Ian's chilling here too.
Hey guys.
This is like the coolest podcast setup we have yet in the middle of nowhere with really bad internet.
And it seems to be working, which is amazing.
And smash the like button, subscribe.
I gotta be honest.
It sounds good, you're saying?
ian crossland
Yeah, it sounds great.
tim pool
Ah, cool.
So, look, we had to do a test.
I did a test on, like, a dummy Twitch channel.
We had to try it out.
We still have, like, another monitor we gotta set up.
We got more desks we gotta set up.
We got just all this stuff that was supposed to happen, and it didn't work.
Why?
Because any of you who's ever worked audio-visual, it's magic.
Just, like, for some reason, you're like, it's plugged in, but it's not working.
And we're like, why?
I don't know.
ian crossland
They're saying we're getting a high-pitched tone in the audio.
tim pool
You see?
ian crossland
And my mic is not working.
tim pool
Audio is terrible.
We have no monitors, so I'm sorry guys.
ian crossland
We almost didn't do the show.
tim pool
Yeah, we were like, we were just going to have to cancel for tonight, and I was like, we can just try and do it.
If it's not doable, then maybe we just, you know, I don't know.
What are the people saying?
ian crossland
High-pitched tone, ringing, buzz.
tim pool
That makes no sense.
ian crossland
Tim is in the bunker.
tim pool
I'm in the bunker.
We're in the bunker.
We're actually elevated on like the third floor.
You can hear it, though?
ian crossland
I can hear it.
It does sound pretty wonky, actually.
There's an echo, and I can hear that high-pitched sound that people are talking about.
tim pool
Man.
cassandra fairbanks
How bad is it?
ian crossland
Well, what do you guys think we should do in chat?
I mean, it's up to you.
Obviously, you guys.
What do you think, Lydia?
tim pool
Everything should have worked.
ian crossland
Oh, I think you got rid of the tone just then.
tim pool
You did?
unidentified
I pulled this thing out.
No.
tim pool
What did you pull out?
unidentified
I pulled some stuff out.
tim pool
Oh, was that the problem?
Just pull it out.
It pulls straight out.
How does it sound?
You can still hear it.
Could be all these cables next to each other and power cables and stuff.
ian crossland
And there's reverb.
Yeah, it does sound terrible.
Sorry, guys.
I spoke too soon.
tim pool
We tried.
ian crossland
They want to keep it going.
tim pool
Julia, we'll just keep going.
It's doable.
unidentified
Is it doable?
ian crossland
That's what some people are saying.
tim pool
It's terrible, but doable.
ian crossland
Fix, please.
Fix it.
Keep it going.
unidentified
Let's see.
tim pool
Audio is not terrible.
Sounds like tinnitus, dog whistle.
People are saying it doesn't sound like my mic is plugged in.
Everything's plugged in.
It just really is magic for some reason.
So, like, we have an identical setup.
We built everything exactly as it is in the other studio in Philly.
But for some reason, things are just, like, not happening.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
So what do you think?
What are they saying?
ian crossland
It's really hot in here.
Do you want to listen to it for a second?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm going to give Tim my headphones so he can know exactly what's going on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
My mic's not making sound.
ian crossland
Something's making... I don't know where it's coming through.
unidentified
Well this is fun. I know, I can't hear anything. I can't see anything.
Who's the camera on right now?
Uh, it's on Ian.
Oh.
I don't know.
I don't know what's causing that problem.
tim pool
Can they hear Cassandra?
cassandra fairbanks
You guys hear me?
Testing.
ian crossland
You guys hear Cassandra?
unidentified
Can you talk?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, what do you want me to talk about?
tim pool
It's coming through.
One, two, three.
unidentified
One.
cassandra fairbanks
I brought Tim a Trump flag.
ian crossland
I'm working off of a delay, so that's why I'm not answering you guys right away.
cassandra fairbanks
It's a welcome present.
ian crossland
Yeah, you're coming through great.
cassandra fairbanks
Awesome.
tim pool
She sounds like she's coming through the mic.
ian crossland
Her mic's on.
tim pool
My mic's on too.
What's the difference?
ian crossland
I don't know, maybe we gotta turn you up.
cassandra fairbanks
Is your mic working?
Is your mic working?
ian crossland
I think so.
I think the audio levels are different.
Yours is the loudest, then mine, then Tim's maybe.
Maybe your audio's low.
tim pool
I think you guys are picking up me and for some reason my mic's not coming through.
ian crossland
Or it's really low.
tim pool
Are you coming out?
ian crossland
Yeah, but it's low.
Lower than her.
tim pool
Really?
So I bet she's mic'd too.
Switch the first one to the fourth.
unidentified
First one to the fourth?
Yep.
tim pool
Your ears, children!
ian crossland
Man, I sympathize with you guys with that high pitch.
unidentified
How's that feel?
tim pool
One, two, three.
ian crossland
The dog whistle.
tim pool
Yo.
How does it sound now?
unidentified
I have a delay.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
ian crossland
I think you're on.
tim pool
It sounds better?
ian crossland
Let me see if you say one, two, three.
tim pool
One, two, three.
ian crossland
Testing.
tim pool
One, two, three, four.
You know what the problem is with working 16-hour days?
Is that there's literally no break.
ian crossland
I can hear you.
tim pool
Like normal?
ian crossland
Yeah, ish.
unidentified
Ish?
ian crossland
Not that great, but normal.
tim pool
Reverby?
ian crossland
Yeah, a little bit.
Oh, that's better.
tim pool
The reverb before was because I know what the problem is.
It's the driver.
This is so ridiculous.
That means only our mics are working.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Welcome to the problem of building a new studio, working 16-hour days, having no days off, and trying to put together content.
I tried doing a test.
There's still a high-pitched squeal though.
ian crossland
Yeah?
Yeah.
tim pool
Can you unplug the middle one?
Yeah.
And... It's because the power cables are next to the audio cables.
I don't know.
No, just keep it unplugged.
Because it's not working anyway.
Welcome to the show, Cassandra!
Man, I don't know.
Where are we at so far?
What do you think?
ian crossland
The buzz, the high pitch sound's gone.
tim pool
It's gone?
So we're back to normal?
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
We can do a normal show!
ian crossland
I believe it's true.
tim pool
Look, look, we had to turn it on to see if it was gonna work, and I'm like, well, we can't stream to, like, where do we stream?
You have one stream.
So, I suppose, I gotta be honest, we literally got this ready to go.
It clearly wasn't ready to go by the time we went live.
I was like, screw it, just press live, whatever, and then the audience will help us fix it.
ian crossland
They did.
Thank you, audience.
They can hear you.
I'm low, you can hear me.
tim pool
In the echo.
Okay, so, is it working?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, if you're just tuning in, smash that like button because we deserve it.
Let me tell you something.
I wake up early in the morning.
We're out in the middle of nowhere.
I didn't know if the internet was going to work.
We have to drive back immediately.
It's going to be several hours.
Literally, I'm going to wake up and be back because we have to continue this move.
When I work all day, every day, non-stop, it becomes practically impossible to, you know, To take time out building all this stuff.
This was legit, like we built this, like the walls are all done.
These panels behind us and everything.
It's pretty crazy.
And we don't even have, the fifth camera's not even plugged in, so we can't even show you how amazing this room is.
Anyway, how about we talk about the news?
It sounds good still?
ian crossland
Sounds great.
I'm waiting to hear you.
tim pool
This is fantastic.
ian crossland
You sound awesome.
tim pool
I'm hanging out with Cassandra Fairbanks.
I've known Cassandra for a really long time, and you got a bunch of stories.
Okay, we're just gonna go for it.
Let's just talk about the news.
Again, smash the like button, subscribe, notification bell.
We'll be back tomorrow, but from the original studio, so things should be normal.
And then we're gonna try and rebuild everything again, and I think we can figure out the problems.
Plus, while I'm working, we're gonna have everyone else trying to figure things out.
So, that being said, let's talk about the first story.
ian crossland
Now Cassandra's off.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
I think Cassandra's mic is not working now.
Can you talk a bit?
tim pool
You're off.
What is going on?
Yeah.
ian crossland
Thank you, chat.
You guys are on it.
tim pool
This is great because we have 22,000 people helping us troubleshoot why none of this is working.
ian crossland
It's the best.
tim pool
It's upside down.
Okay, can you talk now?
cassandra fairbanks
Testing.
How's it going?
Any better?
Can you hear me?
tim pool
And then the high-pitched squeal is gonna come back.
We're getting, to all the people in the super chat, thank you for paying us for the, I'm sorry, I really am, I apologize.
cassandra fairbanks
To be fair though, I saw this room just a couple days ago.
ian crossland
So the high pitch sound sounds like it's coming through your microphone.
unidentified
I have an idea.
ian crossland
One step forward, one step back.
unidentified
Fuck.
Bye!
ian crossland
Tim's troubleshooting, hands on.
tim pool
Did it help?
unidentified
I don't know yet.
cassandra fairbanks
Can you hear me?
Is this any better?
ian crossland
It's a cool room, though.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
This room was completely different not very long ago.
ian crossland
I'm still on delay.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
cassandra fairbanks
There's so much news to talk about, too.
unidentified
I know!
ian crossland
No, it didn't help, though.
It didn't help?
unidentified
No.
Then I don't know.
tim pool
That's messed up.
ian crossland
Turn Cassandra's mic gain down.
cassandra fairbanks
I can speak louder.
tim pool
Talk like this!
We'll do a mic check like Occupy Wall Street.
So everything you say, I'll just repeat it in slow, methodical phrases.
Is it working?
ian crossland
Maybe.
tim pool
This is the important news you come to us for.
Look at this.
You guys are awesome.
I can't believe there's 23,000 people just like chillin' and they're like, Tim's studio's busted, but hey, it's entertaining, I guess.
It's like a high-pitched squeal.
It hurts our ears.
ian crossland
Okay.
It's gone.
tim pool
It's gone.
Can you talk?
cassandra fairbanks
Can you guys hear me?
ian crossland
Let's find out.
tim pool
Count to count.
What'd you have for breakfast?
cassandra fairbanks
One, two, three.
I had lots of coffee for breakfast.
Woke up at 4 a.m.
ian crossland
What kind of coffee?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
I think it was one of those energy drink, cold brew things.
ian crossland
We have those downstairs.
tim pool
What can we do? Yeah, hey, so so is this working? It sounds great. Yeah, that's ridiculous. What
an awful nightmare of building stuff. What you can't see is that straight ahead of me is like
a ladder and like, maybe we should have just said we're not ready to go live.
Maybe.
And we were like, whatever.
Who cares?
It's the internet.
It's not like I'm on TV.
ian crossland
It sounds really good now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Cassandra, how's it going?
unidentified
Good.
It's going great.
tim pool
And now we're immediately going to go to like more sad news and we'll talk about a lot of Antifa stuff.
So, um, All right.
We'll just try and get back on track, I guess.
Thanks for hanging out.
Smash the like button again, because we're working very hard in real time.
You're watching us.
And joining me, of course, is Cassandra Fairbanks, not for the fifth time.
And let's talk about the first story, man.
Jake Gardner.
cassandra fairbanks
This is a sad one.
Actually, I cover heartbreaking things every day.
Like I cover terrible things and tragedy and things that really upset me.
But this one hit me in like a completely different way.
I mean, I was sobbing while I wrote it.
tim pool
I'm gonna get really angry as we talk about this, just so you know.
Jake Gardner was a small business owner.
The businesses nearby his bar were attacked.
His dad, I guess, was telling the guys, like, back off and, like, shoved one of them or something.
And then, there's a video of all this.
The dude runs up and just decks Gardner's dad.
cassandra fairbanks
A 70-year-old man.
tim pool
70-year-old man.
So Gardner shows that he's got a weapon.
These guys start walking towards him.
And you, of course, you've seen one of the videos where you can hear the audio.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
And he's saying, don't do it.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
He's like, don't do it.
Don't do it.
He's backing up, retreating.
And they attack him.
They attack him.
They knock him into the ground.
He fell in water, I think.
Right?
He fell into like a puddle in the street.
And then this guy, I think his name is James Scurlock, correct?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Jumps on his back with his arm around his neck.
Gardner had already warned them several times.
He fired two warning shots.
Two guys run off.
Dude jumps on his back.
And then he switches the gun to his left hand, reaches over and fires, shooting the dude in the clavicle, killing him.
They took everything from this guy.
So, I don't know, do you want to tell us, just like elaborate on the details?
Because you've been talking to his friends and stuff.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
So, he lost his business.
He lost everything.
cassandra fairbanks
His apartment.
I mean, everything.
Everything was taken from him.
I mean, friends turned on him.
His whole life was uprooted, you know?
I mean, acquaintances, people that he knew, like people who went to his bar, people who worked at his bar.
All these people were coming out against him.
It was really sad because it was so clear that it was self-defense.
tim pool
He got indicted.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
Well, the district attorney originally said that this is self-defense.
It's clear-cut.
He didn't do anything wrong.
And then protesters started showing up at the district attorney's house.
They were threatening to riot.
It was a disaster.
And so the city caved in and they hired a special prosecutor.
He decided to bring it before a grand jury, came up with four charges.
I think the maximum he was going to face was 95 years.
And it's just outrageous.
tim pool
The day he was supposed to turn himself in, they found him reportedly with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
And 20 minutes from Portland.
tim pool
What was he doing on the West Coast?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, he had lost everything, so I've heard that he was staying with his uncle out on the West Coast.
tim pool
That's crazy.
So the landlord kicked him out?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
I hope that landlord never rents that property again.
cassandra fairbanks
And the landlord for the bar, the bar where he was leasing, or the building he was leasing.
That's what I mean, yeah.
But his apartment, too.
tim pool
He got kicked out of his apartment?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow!
cassandra fairbanks
Wow.
tim pool
And GoFundMe shut his defense down.
cassandra fairbanks
Yep, but you can raise all the bail money you want for rioters.
tim pool
Kamala Harris can ask for bail money for the rioters.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
This is why we're in the middle of nowhere, and why we actually struggled to get the stream going today, and why Ian can't talk, and why Lydia can't talk either, because the mics aren't working.
ian crossland
I think my mic's working.
tim pool
You think it's working?
ian crossland
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
Are you sure?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I think... Here, talk.
ian crossland
I think your mic is working.
tim pool
People are like, Ian, we can hear you.
But we can't hear ourselves.
Anyway, we're past all of that.
We're in the middle of nowhere.
We're in the middle of nowhere because this is not the first time we saw a story of someone being attacked by the mob And this is the craziest thing.
This dude was retreating, backing away, don't do it, and then he fired warning shots.
He clearly did not want to hurt anybody.
The craziest thing about the indictment of this guy is that they claimed that it was the use of a firearm while committing a felony, and the felony was terroristic threats.
And the terroristic threats were him saying, don't do it, back away.
cassandra fairbanks
And that he was on fire patrol, like making sure that his building didn't burn down.
tim pool
Yep.
cassandra fairbanks
Like, what planet are we on?
What country are we in?
tim pool
This happened to you.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
They came to your house.
And then their allies and media desperately tried to claim you made it up.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, they ran cover for the people who came to my house.
They were like, oh, they just shot fireworks down the street.
Like, you know where I lived.
tim pool
Yep.
cassandra fairbanks
I was not in downtown.
I wasn't in a very city area.
tim pool
Relative to this.
We're gone.
We're in the mountains now.
cassandra fairbanks
But, I mean, they claimed to have talked to my neighbors, said that it didn't happen, when in reality, like, Alan Bakari from Breitbart and my boyfriend went and talked to my neighbors, and they were like, no, we didn't talk to any right wing watch.
And they were like, no, we like you.
We came to your Halloween party.
Why would we trash you?
And they were the only house with a BLM sign in their window.
So it was like, you made up this entire story to run cover for people who just terrorized my child.
ian crossland
To specify, what exactly happened?
I know a little bit about it.
cassandra fairbanks
So I was trolling pretty hard on Twitter, admittedly.
I went pretty hard during the riots.
And the night that they burnt down the church in DC, People had posted my address and my phone number, and they were threatening to come to my house.
They were threatening me.
They were threatening my child.
And I was pretty nervous about it, but I had gotten this kind of stuff a lot before, so I was like, whatever, it'll be fine.
You know, I'm just gonna keep a loaded gun next to my bed, but no big deal.
4 a.m.
Hits the writers pretty much dispersed and then all of a sudden my whole house just like lights up from all sides and They they were shooting commercial-grade fireworks in my house I mean, I thought it was gunshots, but they said later that you know, they it was probably just the really large fireworks but then they started banging on my windows and How did they find out where you lived?
Uh, through subpoenas that get posted online from people trying to get my conversations with Julian Assange, actually.
But that's a whole other story.
tim pool
Are these people pro-Assange?
I don't even understand.
cassandra fairbanks
No.
tim pool
Are they pro-anything?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
It's such a weird... They just want to tear everything down.
tim pool
Yep.
I know.
Yeah.
I have no other way to explain it.
So, I'll tell you a funny story.
I was in a conversation with some buddies.
You know, like Ian, we share a living space along with many other people.
And so, the day that happened, the morning, No, no, it was like afternoon.
Okay, but the day.
It was the afternoon.
And I was talking to everybody and I was like, listen man, things are getting spicy.
Okay, so you need to understand that the show that I do, the people that we have come through here and stuff, this is probably gonna be a target too.
Like, you were trolling pretty hard.
Not like you deserved it or anything like that.
But, you know, I don't.
And so, I was just like, I don't think it matters.
I think they'll come for you when they decide.
Whether it's now because Cassandra's pushing back, or because I do a story they don't like.
And general sentiment, I guess, from everybody was like, OK, you know, we'll see, whatever, sure.
And then the next day, I took a bunch of my recurve bows and I, like, just propped them up, got them ready.
And the general sentiment was, what's going on?
And the general response was, they showed up to Cassandra Fairbanks's house.
They were banging on windows, they were firing fireworks at it, and it's only a matter of time before they start targeting lesser, like, I don't want to say lesser known in regards to us because we're not like mainstream media or anything, but like Tucker Carlson's like the top tier biggest cable channel, period.
Our cable show.
So they went to his house.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
Now they're going to other people's houses.
cassandra fairbanks
It's going to keep moving in.
The window of acceptable discourse where you're safe from this is going to get smaller and smaller.
ian crossland
Chat's asking to turn Cassandra up a little bit, and when you have it, point it right at your face.
cassandra fairbanks
Is this better?
ian crossland
Yeah, speak into it like it's a tube.
cassandra fairbanks
Also, I have tooth aligners in, so I'm talking terribly.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
This is the problem of not having headphones.
Because you can hear yourself, and then you're like, oh, I'm really quiet.
And when you don't have it, you know.
But we're in the middle of nowhere, having trouble with setting up the studio simply because... I mean, I gotta be honest, it's a combination of I work too much.
If I took one day off, we could have built the studio properly.
But I'm like, no!
I'm gonna keep working.
I have another studio downstairs.
And getting away from the cities because this is happening.
And as things have gotten crazier and crazier, I'm just like, dude, I'm not having it.
I know I've said it a million times, but it's not just this Omaha bar owner.
They went to that guy's house in Milwaukee.
Let's talk about this guy in Milwaukee.
So, uh, what was the story?
He was a racist?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, they claim that he was racist, but he got into a fight with his black neighbor.
Don't know what it was about.
I'm assuming it was some kind of, like, neighborhood dispute about the yard or whatever.
She told a bunch of people on social media that he was racist, and there's this protest group in Milwaukee, and they're throwing, like, I think it's justice protest parties or something.
And what it is is they're doxing people, posting their addresses in this group, and showing up on their front lawns to protest and terrify them and intimidate them and threaten them.
I mean, they were outside his house for three hours screaming threats into a bullhorn.
tim pool
This is a regular guy?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, regular guy.
tim pool
They said he's a racist.
So three hours in front of his house, and he got arrested.
cassandra fairbanks
Yep.
And the police were like nowhere to be found.
They were streaming the whole time, proudly streaming themselves, threatening him.
And he's sitting inside his house, didn't confront them, didn't say anything to them, but he visibly had a shotgun.
Yeah.
tim pool
He pointed at the window.
I don't think he opened the window though.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I'm not even sure if he really, like, pointed it or if he was, like, adjusting his position.
Like, maybe he was moving, getting off his elbow.
It wasn't like he was, like... I think he pointed it.
I don't know.
tim pool
I think he pointed it.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't care if he did, personally.
unidentified
Right.
cassandra fairbanks
Like, get off my lawn.
I'm that lady, so...
tim pool
So there's so much here that is deeper than just this story.
And first, I'll just say, my biggest criticism is how the media runs defense all the time, non-stop.
So these mobs that have been showing up and doing this, they've gone to other houses where, in one instance, they almost burnt it to the ground.
They set it on fire, and there was a mob outside.
Two people got shot.
I shouldn't say people, two teenagers, 14-year-olds, got shot during this, like, They were looking for missing girls that weren't actually missing.
cassandra fairbanks
This is the same group, too.
tim pool
Same group.
Same group.
Same guy.
Same community activist.
And so that's the point.
So imagine you're sitting at home.
It's Saturday night.
You cracked open a couple brews.
You're watching the game.
That guy probably was not watching the game.
He's probably watching Netflix or something.
What's on Amazon?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
unidentified
No.
cassandra fairbanks
No Netflix.
tim pool
Netflix?
No Netflix.
He got rid of Netflix.
He's got a Trump flag.
That guy got rid of Netflix for sure.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, he got rid of Netflix.
tim pool
He had a Trump flag in front of his house.
The mob shows up.
It's the same guy who was at the other house where they shot two kids and they set fire to the house twice.
And so what's he thinking?
He grabs his gun.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
Then they say because he was drunk.
And so, this is something that Lydia brought up, it's a really good point.
Imagine you're chilling at home and you're drinking, and you're not wasted but you have a couple beers, and then a mob shows up and threatens your safety.
I'm not saying that the rioters or the Black Lives Matter people are gonna break in or anything, I'm just saying.
Let's imagine a scenario where you happen to have been drinking when someone's about to break into your house.
If you defend your house then, are they gonna say, oh, you're drunk, sorry.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, it's insane.
Even if he was wasted, he should be able to defend his house.
It's just incredible to me.
ian crossland
It seems like because they were on the street and not on his property.
cassandra fairbanks
They definitely entered onto his property.
unidentified
Oh, they did?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
They were definitely on his lawn at several points.
unidentified
Wow.
cassandra fairbanks
Like, they were not, you know, respecting property boundaries or anything.
tim pool
They don't believe in property.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Did you see that Black Lives Matter removed their mission statement?
cassandra fairbanks
No, I did not.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gone from their website apparently.
ian crossland
Whoa!
That was the only thing I had on their side.
tim pool
Their mission statement?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Disrupting the nuclear family?
ian crossland
It was about economic equality.
They had a few points where I was like, how can I get, how can I understand what they want, like, positively?
tim pool
I don't trust anything these people have to say anymore.
Not like I trust Republicans all that much, but when they repeatedly say that they're fighting for justice, but then literally attack, like they're not fighting against racism, they're attacking black and brown people.
I have to wonder if the goal is to make more and more people just vote for Donald Trump.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, it's gonna work.
I would not be voting for Trump this year if this wasn't happening.
tim pool
Really?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I'm upset about the Julian Assange thing.
I voted for Trump.
I, you know, I believe in a lot of his policies, his campaign promises.
I am right-wing.
But I'm very upset with what he's doing to Julian Assange, and I would sit it out in protest if Democrats weren't running around being domestic terrorists.
tim pool
You weren't always right-wing.
cassandra fairbanks
No, you knew.
tim pool
I know, but for the audience's sake.
You were like a big Bernie, like you were out there with Black Lives Matter.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I mean, I was writing for a libertarian website that was pretty harsh on police and pretty anarchist-bent.
And I went and covered Ferguson, and I was very upset about the Kelly Thomas case in Orange County, which was a man who actually was innocent and was beat to death by police in a very shocking video.
So when they first came out, I was like, cool, people are going to talk about this.
Maybe we can get justice for Kelly Thomas.
Awesome.
Rock on.
Do your thing.
And then I just As I watched what they were doing, I just became more and more disenchanted with it and completely repelled me eventually.
tim pool
I remember you told me a story about how you actually got attacked for being white.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
And you're not even, I mean, I don't know, you're sort of... I'm a Soderican.
You told me that's what it's called, so I was like, oh, okay.
But they, but like, it's, it's, it's kind of interesting how when they started attacking
other minorities who didn't agree with them, they started saying, it's whiteness instead of being,
instead of you're white. It used to be like, you're a white male. Then it was like when
Candace Owens would come around or people like you or me, it's like, it's whiteness.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Now it's just the concept of, which can be adopted by anybody.
Now, you're white, Ian.
ian crossland
I've got a friend who's a black albino.
It's the most mind-bending thing.
He's African-American.
cassandra fairbanks
He's probably white on their chart.
ian crossland
He's as white as me, but he identifies as black.
cassandra fairbanks
It depends if he's right or left wing.
Then they'll figure out what his ethnicity is, I think.
tim pool
Maybe the whole goal is to just remove this concept of race in general, like they say it.
Yeah.
I think that they genuinely have an issue with white people.
there's no genetic component to any of it. And then when you start saying, when
they start saying that like, well remember that article I think was
Huffington Post that black men are the white people of black people? Yeah. Yeah,
cassandra fairbanks
things like that. I think that they genuinely have an issue with
white people. So I mean I don't know if I agree on that one.
I think that they genuinely, like, it's becoming very apparent that there's massive disdain, particularly for men, but for women too.
The whole Karen meme and what they did to Amy Cooper.
There's just this weird, it's almost like revenge.
Like they're trying to get revenge or something.
tim pool
I don't think it's revenge.
I think it's just a cultist scapegoat.
Yeah. Well, they simultaneously say that Donald Trump is scapegoating immigrants.
It's like when you talk about all this whiteness and white privilege, like literally the concept of whiteness where
they you saw the thing in the Smithsonian where they claimed
that time and hard work are traits of white people.
It's like, yeah, okay.
Like, so there's an old joke.
I don't know if you guys have seen the John Cleese thing, where he's like, this is a simplified version.
It's an old joke, and then it's been expanded upon, where he's like, if you want to be a right-wing fellow, here's a list of people you can hate.
And then he goes through all the people, like, the right supposedly hates.
And then he's like, now if you find yourself wanting to be a left-wing extremist, here's a list of people that you can choose to hate.
And then he goes through a list of people.
And the funny, the joke about it is that at the end, he says,
he's like, when he's talking about, when he's talking about the right wing people, or I'm sorry, the people that right
wing hates, he ends with and moderates.
And then when he goes to the left wing people, he ends once again with moderates, like both sides hate them.
But there's an, there's an expanded joke where it's like, if you want to be a
traditional conspiracy theorist, all right, then you're angry at the Illuminati.
They control the banks, they start all the wars, they're responsible for all the oppression.
Now, if you're a neo-Nazi, well then you just replace Illuminati with the word Jew.
If you're an Occupy Wall Street activist, you replace the word Jew with the 1%.
If you're an intersectionalist, you replace the 1% with white people or whiteness.
They always say basically the same things about all of the groups they believe are oppressing them and none of it is
true.
It's just extremism.
But I will say it's kind of coming full circle too.
It's really interesting in that book, I don't know if you guys saw it, In Defense of Looting.
Have you seen that one?
cassandra fairbanks
I've seen it.
tim pool
Apparently there's like a portion of it where they say that Jewish people and Asians are like the face of capital or
something.
That's their claim.
And it's like, that sounds horribly racist and anti-semitic.
Where are you going with this?
cassandra fairbanks
The New Black Panther Party protested a Chinese restaurant in DC.
unidentified
What?
cassandra fairbanks
Remember?
tim pool
When was that?
Why?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't even remember why.
They were just, but it was a few months ago.
They went, it was, what's the name of the restaurant?
It was in DC.
I've been there before, really good.
They showed up- Why were they protesting it?
I don't remember, but it was like the most ridiculous thing and they were, I think they were claiming that like, yeah, yum yums, that's what it was.
tim pool
Why were they protesting it?
cassandra fairbanks
I wrote about it and I'm completely blanking.
It's been a really extreme day today.
tim pool
We're definitely going to get this all fixed and then have you come back later in the week for sure.
cassandra fairbanks
But they were saying basically that Asians are white people now too.
tim pool
That's why they say BIPOC.
Black, indigenous, people of color.
Asians don't count.
So it's really bad for someone like me.
They really hate me.
I was at a protest in, I think it was Seattle, at U-Dub, University of Seattle, Washington.
And there was a guy who was, like, ranting about the goal of the Nazis was to merge with the Asian race to create the... And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, hold on!
What?
You just made that... I was like, dude, the Nazis and Japanese were, like, allied.
And I'm like, they never actually met at any point in battle.
Like, they were separated by half the planet.
Like, that's ridiculous.
The Nazis were, like, all about... They were ridiculously racist.
That's not true.
But they just make these things up to explain why it is that Asian immigrants do really well.
I learned something really crazy, too.
Filipino immigrants to the U.S.
make way more on average than the average American.
cassandra fairbanks
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, that surprised me.
That's interesting.
It surprised me because of all of the East Asian nations, Southeast Asian, I would have
assumed that Filipinos would come here and be on par with the average salary.
Average is average, right?
And I think it's, it's, I don't, I don't, I don't look at the numbers for all the other, you know, countries of origin, but I guess there's probably like, um, legal immigrants probably make more money.
I mean, they're willing.
I don't think it's anything to do with, with, uh, here's, I think what it has to do with is that these people are in their country saying, I'm going to work hard to go somewhere to improve myself.
That kind of perseverance and mentality.
They then come here and they keep working.
They don't stop.
And they find that path to opportunity.
But I found that really, really interesting because there's a lot of arguments when the left tries to talk about Asian people and say that they're not a marginalized group, that they're actually oppressors because they're so privileged.
They're typically talking about Chinese immigrants and Indian immigrants, and they ignore all of the other less wealthy Asian nations.
But even the immigrants from many of these countries do better than the average American.
I think we, as Americans, have a culture problem where we don't teach our kids to work hard, thus we end up with a bunch of people marching around, smashing things, arguing that they're owed something, they deserve things, but they're not working towards it.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
I'll tell you what, I'll give you a piece of advice, too.
The best advice is just do stuff.
Because, like, I could have said we're not going to do the show because everything was broken.
And I'm like, whatever, man, we're going to do it.
We're going to have a broken night or whatever.
You just got to work hard.
You got to try.
You got to make stuff happen.
But now it ends up where these people are getting into government.
They're controlling schools, institutions.
And you know what?
You know what?
I'll tell you this.
I'm going to make a bold statement.
Part of me, when these people yell, like, cops are bad or whatever, I immediately think, man, these cops who arrested small business owners, these cops who went to the McCloskey's house and took their guns, I mean, those cops for sure I think are bad.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
And it's incredible because when you're watching the video of them in Milwaukee, they called the police on that man.
These people who hate cops and are anti-cop, they called the police and said he has a gun in his house.
And then you can hear him on his own livestream snitching on the guy, being like, he was pointing the gun!
Go get him!
Go get him!
tim pool
And the cops were like, OK.
cassandra fairbanks
They cheered for the police while they pulled him out of the house.
And I was like, you raving hypocrites.
I mean.
We can't swear on here, luckily, because I have words.
tim pool
You can swear if you want.
unidentified
No, that's fine.
tim pool
Just so everyone who's watching knows, I always tell people, swear, say whatever you want, but just realize YouTube might penalize your content.
No, I'm just kidding.
You want to say your thing.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm just saying, I have thoughts.
ian crossland
To clarify, there's no video of the guy pulling the shotgun, pointing or anything?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, in the video, yeah, the protesters, or whatever you want to call them, the mob, they were live streaming it themselves onto this Facebook group, which is...
just doxing people's addresses and things like that.
And you could see him in the window holding the gun, but he never confronted them.
He never threatened them.
They were threatening him with the bullhorn and the police weren't there to do anything.
They didn't stop these people.
They didn't, I mean, it was, it was like a scene from Beauty and the Beast when they're like Gastons riling up the crowd and they're Heading on horses up to the castle, except everybody was screaming and incoherently and listening to Cardi B. It was really bad.
tim pool
That's a really good analogy.
Not even an analogy, that's literally what it is.
Gaston, reminding the people to go riot.
It's the beast!
unidentified
He's a beast!
Go!
We gotta go!
tim pool
Bring your pitchforks!
And it's like some drunk dude, like, chilling in his living room, like, just watching Amazon or something.
Who knows?
cassandra fairbanks
He must have been terrified.
I was terrified.
I have never been more afraid.
And I think it's because my daughter was there.
And, you know, she'll tell you all about it if you ask her.
But I've never been more afraid because I didn't know how many people were out there.
I didn't know if they were going to burst through my windows.
They were hitting my window with, like, what sounded like a stick.
When they came to your house, you're saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
And I was so afraid.
Normally, I can handle myself pretty well.
I think I'm pretty scrappy.
I've been in my share of fights.
But when you don't know how many people are out there, you don't know if they're going to come into your house, you don't know if they're going to burn your house down.
I mean, there was flames shooting at my house.
It's really scary.
And I was holding a gun the same way he was.
And I was ready to shoot.
I was like, the second I see one of them pop through the window, My life is over, but my daughter is going to be safe.
tim pool
It reminds me of like a zombie movie when they see the windows and there's a silhouettes banging on the window and then like the hands break through and you got to like take a bat and like bash the arms.
ian crossland
A lot of times you hear the stories about stuff like that, but you always read it after the fact when they didn't take it to the next level.
But when you're in the moment, you don't know if it's about to happen.
cassandra fairbanks
I was pleading with 911.
I was like, I don't know what they're going to do.
Like, when are you guys going to be here?
And they were like, I don't know.
There's people are spread out all over the city because there's riots.
And I was just like, well, what am I supposed to do?
And I was like, all right, I had a revolver.
So I was like, I only have six shots.
I'm going to take out the biggest one and make sure it's the men because the women probably won't hurt my daughter.
I mean, the things that went through my head were crazy.
I mean, I think about it now and I'm frightened of my own thoughts.
tim pool
Do you feel comfortable talking about what kind of weapon you had?
I don't know because some people say not to.
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, sorry, I just said it.
tim pool
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm talking about, like, you said you had a revolver.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
But what kind?
You know what I mean?
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, I don't even remember what it was.
tim pool
Like, the caliber of bullet really matters.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't really want to get too into it.
Right, right, right, right.
tim pool
Well, I bought a bunch of guns.
ian crossland
You sure did.
tim pool
I sure did.
ian crossland
What was 911's advice when you asked?
cassandra fairbanks
They told me to calm down, and I mean, the lady was very unsympathetic.
At one point, I was like, well, how long is it gonna take to get here?
And she was like, well, I'm not coming.
And I'm like, okay, thanks.
tim pool
She said, I'm not coming.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, and meanwhile, my daughter is staring at me like, what is going on?
And I'm telling her to go lay on the floor next to her bed in case I have to kill people.
And this lady's just like, well, I'm not the one that's coming.
I was like, what, what is happening?
And that was when I really like, that was the part that was the scariest.
I felt like there was nobody that was going to come help me because everybody, you could hear sirens everywhere, but they were going to fires.
They were going, you know, there was riot stuff happening everywhere.
tim pool
That happened in New York during the riots, where this guy called 911 because someone had broken into his building and they were fighting.
And the response he got from 911 was, Sir, our city is under attack.
What would you have us do?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, that's basically what they said to me.
tim pool
You know, it's really... I got really angry today.
So my main segment was... I was talking about this on my main channel.
Pro-life Democrats took out a full-page ad in the New York Times saying the Democrats have gone crazy on abortion and that if they don't moderate their position, they're gonna lose 30% of their voter base to Donald Trump.
Because, like, I talked to Stephen Crowder about this on his show.
Conservative.
Pro-life.
And I was like, I'm pro-choice, but these people are nuts.
And Crowder basically said the Republicans are offering up negotiations to disaffected liberals, like, let's have a conversation about it.
The left is saying no.
Like, outright.
And so anyway, I bring this up because we ended up seeing this and there was another story, an article written by Bridget Phetasy.
Do you guys know Bridget?
Commentator, she's great.
And she talked about how she got hundreds of emails from people who are politically homeless.
Some of them are conservatives who are going to vote for Biden.
But she said for the most part, it seems like she wouldn't be surprised if Trump wins in a landslide based on the things she was hearing.
I was talking about this.
I started to get more and more heated because So the other house is in Philly, where the studio is actually functioning, and we're trying to build this one out.
And I thought we were safe.
I thought we were totally fine.
I lived in New York, and I remember the protests were getting a little crazy, and I was like, this was years ago.
So I'd see them periodically, and I'd be like, whatever, they're just marching around, it's no big deal, but if civil unrest gets bad, I don't want to be here.
Then some bombs got planted.
I have no idea what that was about.
I don't think it was about political or anything like that.
Politics.
But I had moved from New York to Jersey partly because two cops got executed in front of my house.
Uh, I look out my window, I look down the street, not this intersection right here, but the next one over, so it was literally just like one block over.
Two cops, two cops are sitting in their car and a guy came up and said, he posted on Instagram, you take two of ours, you take two of yours, killed these two guys.
And so I realized, like, there's some, there's some political problems coming.
So I moved to the suburbs eventually.
I'm like in Jersey.
I was in Jersey, that's when the bombs happened, and I was like, I can't live here.
This is getting too crazy for me.
My thing is, I traveled all around the world covering all of this conflict and crisis, so I don't want it anywhere near where I live, because I see what that stuff is like.
So when it started getting worse, I'm like, I'm leaving.
I moved to the Philly suburbs.
Outside, like, not even that close to Philly.
It's on the other side of the road.
It's in Jersey.
And I was like, we are safe here.
There are but trees surrounding us.
We have very few neighbors.
Everybody smiles and waves.
The cops are right over there, and they smile.
How's it going, Tim?
Hey, good to see you, Officer Friendly.
And the ride started, and then we heard the helicopters.
And I'm sitting in the other studio, and it's like crazy sirens everywhere.
Helicopters, like, go outside on the deck, and I look.
I'm like, they're within a few miles of my house.
This is ridiculous.
So you know what I did?
I bought a bunch of guns.
And I had said in January, I'm never buying guns.
Never want a gun in my house.
No guns.
unidentified
No guns.
tim pool
We called the police.
The police couldn't respond to these people.
They couldn't respond to you.
So I went out and bought weapons.
I heard your story, where the 9-1-1's like, we can't do anything, you're on your own, you had a gun, and I'm like, man, I better do something about this.
Then Joe Biden tweets out, we're gonna ban weapons of war, we're gonna come for assault weapons, and I'm like, oh, come on!
You defund the police, you support these people, and then I say, okay, fine, I'll take care of myself, I'm gonna go buy weapons, I'm gonna keep my house safe, my friends safe, and then you tweet, you're gonna take my guns away now?
These people are out of their minds.
They're arresting people defending themselves.
The McCloskeys, the guy in Milwaukee, this poor man in Omaha, whose business was being attacked, and they decked his 70-year-old dad, and he warned them, back up, don't do it, and they attack him anyway, and they indict him!
So now we're in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Now, now here's the best part.
If you come within, if you come anywhere near my house, you're on my property.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
In a castle doctrine state.
cassandra fairbanks
Same.
I'm like, I mean, I'm really out there and the closest, I mean, my mailbox is a mile away from my house.
I'm not kidding.
An actual mile from my house.
So, I mean, if anyone comes anywhere near me, I even thought about putting landmines in on my street.
tim pool
You can't legally do that, can you?
cassandra fairbanks
I probably not.
tim pool
The mice, or the squirrels will blow up.
No, the squirrels don't weigh enough.
cassandra fairbanks
I do like the squirrels.
tim pool
But the deer might trigger it.
You know what they do in, I think, I could be wrong about the country, I think it's in Cambodia?
Because they have all of the landmines from the Camarouge.
I think it's Cambodia, right?
They just send goats out.
cassandra fairbanks
And then the goats just go like... I want to get goats.
tim pool
So somebody invented this thing.
It's like a big ball with a bunch of mops, sticks sticking out of it, and plates.
And it just rolls around detonating landmines.
But anyway!
The general idea is... My understanding is that New Jersey is semi-castle doctrine.
You can defend yourself only if you have no choice.
Like, you have to retreat first.
But if you're cornered, you can defend yourself with appropriate force.
And so I'm like... So if someone breaks into my house, right?
These are the questions I have.
Someone breaks into my house, and there's the back door right behind me.
But my friends are upstairs.
Do I just say, bye everybody!
You're on your own!
I'm the one with the gun, but I'm gone, because I'm not going to prison for you.
Or do I go upstairs, not retreating, confronting the person breaking in, because I'm worried they're going to hurt my friends and family.
cassandra fairbanks
You really don't even think about the laws when it's happening.
tim pool
Exactly.
cassandra fairbanks
At least I didn't.
I mean, I propped myself behind a wall where I could see three of the... You know how my living room was set up.
I propped myself behind that wall where the bathroom was, and I could see three of the windows, and it was the ones that they were hitting.
It sounded like they were hitting it with sticks.
And I was like, man, the second they come through, it's over.
tim pool
Is DC standing ground or castle doctrine?
cassandra fairbanks
I think it's duty to retreat.
I didn't even look into it.
I was just like, I'm gonna have to deal with this.
You don't have time to think about it, you know?
tim pool
You know why any state that says you have a duty to retreat is wrong?
cassandra fairbanks
Cause you're in your house.
tim pool
It's true.
Where do you retreat to?
Like where am I supposed to go?
cassandra fairbanks
Under my bed?
What do you guys want me to do?
tim pool
I'll retreat outside and then be in the woods and then die of exposure or what?
Give them my house, then I have no food, no shelter, no access to resources.
I understand the general idea, but there is so much wrong with this concept of you have to retreat.
Because here's the other issue.
Let's say you're in your house and they say, if someone is going to break in, you have to retreat.
So they're banging on your windows and you're like, I better retreat.
You run out the back door and there's a guy waiting for you at the baseball bat.
cassandra fairbanks
That was my problem.
They were shooting fireworks at three of the four sides of my house.
And then the other side was an alleyway and that was where they were like banging.
So it sounded like there was just people surrounding my house.
I thought, I mean, there could have been hundreds of people for all I knew.
Like I had no idea because it was like blinding light in every window.
And so I was like, I could flee out the basement door on the side, but there's stuff flying at those windows.
So clearly that's not safe.
And I was on a corner.
Um, it was, it, it was bizarre.
ian crossland
When you're surrounded and you are on a duty retreat, what's the legal implication there?
If you, I mean, if you retreat into your bedroom and then they come into your house and you open fire, have you, have you legally retreated?
But to where?
tim pool
I have no idea.
cassandra fairbanks
Burrow?
ian crossland
You didn't retreat into the arms of the villain?
tim pool
Back door, escape, run away.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, but when there's a mob, how do you do that?
tim pool
Yep.
And then you'll get, you'll get treated like the Omaha guy.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, it could have been one person for all, or well, it was, it probably, it was at least two people or three people, but I mean, it could have been one person.
It could have been a hundred people.
I had no idea.
It was just loud and bright.
My house was pitch black and it was so bright.
It looked like it was noon.
Um, cause just from the fireworks and what do you do?
Where are you, where do you go?
I told my daughter to lay on her bedroom floor cause at least her bedroom was up on the hill.
So it was not on ground level.
tim pool
Not only that, It's not just about retreating, but what about your kid?
Is she going to be able to run as fast as you?
Is she going to be able to climb the same fences as you?
If it was someone like me, I would imagine that there's some leeway if you're acting in defense of others.
But you don't know how the courts are going to treat you.
So I understand there's probably a lot of people correcting me because, look, I'm a new gun owner.
I've researched a lot of these laws.
Recently reached out to a criminal lawyer about, like, what I need to do to be legal, moving, you know, stuff like that.
And I'm sure they're going to say, oh, here's what happens if someone breaks in in this state and all this stuff.
I get it.
But what we're seeing right now is morality policing.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
It doesn't matter if you're justified.
It doesn't matter if you're right.
We got the guy in Omaha literally saying, don't do it, and backing away, and they still indicted him.
And one of the indictments was quite literally him warning them not to attack him.
They were like, well, that was a threat.
That was a terroristic threat.
Saying what?
Back up?
Don't do it?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
So even if, even if you did the right thing, you're talking about duty to retreat?
Doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
You could run full speed away from your house, It sounds like you've lost faith in the system.
Or you're losing.
I bought guns because I have no faith in the system.
Because I need to make sure I'm safe.
And you're safe.
And those make it up.
They'll make it up and say, these poor peaceful protesters.
ian crossland
It sounds like you've lost faith in the system.
tim pool
I mean, that's on purpose.
ian crossland
Or you're losing.
I think it's intentional.
I think they're doing it.
tim pool
I bought guns because I have no faith in the system because I need to make sure I'm safe
and you're safe and everyone here is safe.
So now the added advantage of being in the middle of nowhere is one of the concerns I
have watching that video from Milwaukee.
They were standing in the street, and so they can argue, I'm not on your property, I'm on public property, while harassing you and maybe even throwing things at your house.
Where I am now, you come anywhere near my house, you're on my property.
You go in the woods, you're on my property.
It's a big property in the middle of nowhere, cut the costs down, but the general idea is, I want to make sure that anybody who eventually finds their way here, somehow, I don't know, no matter what you do, you're on my property.
I'll tell you what, we're going to have in-ground auto-defense turrets go, Yeah, we're talking about setting up testing turrets.
I'm kidding.
We're not going to have auto-defense turrets.
cassandra fairbanks
I talked to a friend of mine who's also right-wing and a little bit controversial.
They live in a similar area to me, about an hour away.
Same state though.
When they moved in, they were like, so what's the law here about if people show up at your house?
And the sheriff was just like, if they're on your property, you shoot them.
And I was like, I'm going to move there.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's here where you're at now?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
ian crossland
I like it.
tim pool
There are a lot of states like that.
Missouri, for instance.
ian crossland
So the McCloskeys... Yeah, that's so sad, man, that they got charged when they were just brandishing a weapon to scare the people off.
tim pool
They were on private property.
They came onto private property.
ian crossland
They pointed at him.
tim pool
She pointed at him and walked towards him.
So the issue for me with all these stories is that I always tell people, They're always gonna find an excuse because everything moves in increments, right?
We're not going to see, in my opinion, or we might.
Like a bunch of Black Lives Matter people, right now, running up to a random elderly woman's home, beating the crap out of her on a livestream and burning her house down, that's really extreme, and everyone would turn on them.
But it slowly happens, right?
And they have excuses.
So first, they go to McCloskey's house.
The McCloskeys are eating dinner, they see this mob come in, the gate gets broken somehow, and so they pull out their weapons and say, back off.
Then the Black Lives Matter group says, we were peacefully protesting and they pulled
guns.
cassandra fairbanks
Then these leftists go, oh, and the media will never show you the broken gates or any
of that, any of the things that they destroyed on their way there for that peaceful protest.
tim pool
So, so it's the increment though, right?
As long as the regular liberals can go, yeah, but I mean, even though they were trespassing.
Don't you think that's a little extreme?
He pulled out an assault rifle.
Then what happens next?
Then we get the Milwaukee guy.
Now they're standing in front of his house screaming for hours and hours, and he branches his weapon, and he gets arrested straight up.
And then they say, whoa, wow, I can't believe he was pointing the gun at those peaceful protesters.
The next thing that's going to happen is, like, they're going to go to someone's house and they're going to kick the door in.
And they're going to be like, dude, he kicked the door in, but he didn't deserve to die.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
If right now somebody kicked the door into like a random person's house, the media might have no choice.
So like the Andy Ngo incident.
You know Andy Ngo.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
He got brutally beaten in the street by Antifa.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
The media had no choice.
It was such a dramatic escalation from what Antifa had done in the past that everyone was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, too much, too fast.
So Antifa had to pull back a little bit, pull back, oops, oops.
And then after time, they started working in all of the hit pieces, the smears, calling him a white supremacist.
Now that he's a white supremacist, now the media won't cover it if he gets attacked again.
So it's increments.
I talked about this a long time ago, and I've been predicting they're going to start coming to people's homes.
And then they started coming to people's homes.
I predicted the morality police will arrest you when you defend your property several months ago.
I was like, it's only a matter of time before they go to someone's house, some guys like staff my property, and the cops are like, it's easier to arrest the homeowner than it is to deal with the mob.
And that happened already.
And now Omaha is probably the most worrying and terrifying story yet.
Jake Gardner, Marine veteran.
With two tours in Iraq, I think?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Bar owner, small business owner, minding his own business, giving warnings, backing away, and they came for everything!
His business, his family, his home!
cassandra fairbanks
He was so much nicer than me.
Or, like, half the people I know.
I mean, did you watch the video of him talking about the Women's March?
tim pool
Yeah, he was a really nice guy.
cassandra fairbanks
Like, I was like, wow, I should be nice like that.
And then I was like, wait, no, I shouldn't.
He's dead right now because of these people.
unidentified
I wonder if... But he was just so good.
cassandra fairbanks
And they still made him into a demon.
tim pool
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Like, I...
ian crossland
This is where they busted into the bar, this group.
They started smashing stuff up.
What happened?
They walked into the bar?
tim pool
So there was like a group smashing up windows in Omaha.
And the bar owner's dad came out and told him like something to the effect of like, probably back off.
ian crossland
He pushed somebody.
tim pool
He pushed somebody.
And then someone runs up full speed and just like drop kicks him or something and slams him to the ground.
And he's like 70.
Disproportionate.
But look, the dad should not have shoved somebody.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Okay.
But it doesn't warrant jumping and decking the guy.
Somebody shoves you, you got to know when you're like, okay, back off, man.
But it's true.
Criticism where it's due.
Although it's not the most egregious thing that happened that night.
So the son came over like, yo, what are you doing?
Don't mess with my dad.
And two guys start encroaching on him.
He pulls up his shirt to show his weapon.
And it's all on video.
And he's like, don't do it!
I'm warning you!
Don't do it!
Don't do it!
And he's backing away.
The two guys attack him.
He pulls out his gun, and while they're holding him down, he fires two warning shots.
They run away.
As he's struggling to get up, he's, like, on the ground, and he's, like, staggered, this guy, James Scurlock, jumps on his back, puts him in a choke hold, and then he yells.
It was, like, 18 seconds where he was choking him.
He switches the gun to his left, puts it over his shoulder, and fires.
Then they took everything from him.
unidentified
The law?
ian crossland
The law, the law came and arrested him.
tim pool
So first, they said it was clear-cut self-defense.
The DA said, clear-cut self-defense.
We got it on video.
The dude was on the ground and he got attacked.
The landlord for his bar, get out.
The landlord for his home, apparently I'm learning from Cassandra.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain that's what I was reading today.
Because I remember being like, wait, what?
tim pool
That's probably why it was on the West Coast.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
So then he loses everything.
His job, his income, his business.
And then finally the last thing he had, freedom.
The Black Lives Matter groups went to the city, protested, rioted, you know, whatever.
I shouldn't say rioted, because I don't know exactly what they did, but the community pressure resulted in the DA saying, okay, special prosecutor.
And then the grand jury argued that because he warned them, he was threatening them, and because he was threatening them and had a gun, it was a felony.
And then he got a man.
So it's like, imagine telling someone, stay away from me.
I have a gun and they say, Oh, terroristic threats.
You're under arrest.
So now you can't warn somebody, which means if you do shoot, what are we supposed to do?
Um, bang, shoot him.
No warning.
Don't say anything.
Cause if you say something, they're going to charge you for it.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
They stripped everything from this guy and he will not be the last.
ian crossland
Did he kill himself?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Or so they found him dead with a bullet.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, but he sent goodbye texts to a lot of people.
tim pool
38.
Marine veteran.
I believe it was 38.
Two tours in Iraq.
And he was a small business owner.
Marine veteran.
Regular guy.
cassandra fairbanks
He volunteered with the Trump campaign, but he was libertarian-leaning.
tim pool
And he was, the video of him that's gone viral is him saying like, the women's marches, it's great that they're expressing themselves, their criticisms of Trump are warranted, that's how they feel, they have a right to express themselves, I'm happy, they're not violent.
Super chill dude.
Super chill.
And they started accusing him of being a racist.
They started making up lies saying he was posting racist things on Facebook.
I tried to find it.
I do my research, I couldn't find anything.
cassandra fairbanks
Did you see, so there's a Medium article that was viral, and it's kind of what kicked all this off.
There was this activist from Omaha, and he wrote this long, unhinged blog.
I mean, it was a conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories.
But he was picking apart the logos of the bars, and one of them was called...
I'm blanking on it.
I've had a very long day and I'm on very little sleep.
But it had a key in the logo, like an old-fashioned key.
And in the handle part, it was like a plus sign, you know, like a cutout in an old-fashioned key.
And they said the plus sign was meant to represent the swastika.
And they put... I am not even kidding.
I've posted screenshots of this on my Twitter.
I didn't want to link to the article itself because it was...
I mean, the left gets really unhinged with their conspiracy theories.
Like, they make the whole frogs are turning gay thing look really, really, really moderate.
tim pool
Really moderate.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alex Jones moderate.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, it makes more sense than anything that they're saying, but this...
tim pool
I'm sorry, to be fair to Alex Jones, he was referencing a study on atrocy.
cassandra fairbanks
No, I know.
tim pool
But everybody loves it.
ian crossland
And it was making them hermaphrodites, right?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I was altering their... I really like Alex Jones.
I'm not making fun of him.
I think he's a national treasure.
He's hilarious.
But I was just, you know, that's a common conspiracy theory that I could reference from the right.
But yeah, they literally put this plus sign from inside the key handle, a tiny detail from this logo and they were like look at how it matches up next to a
swastika. It didn't have any swastika shapes. It was literally a plus sign, a bold plus sign. I
mean I yeah it there's that's how they were trying to destroy this man. It's it's it's it's the
tim pool
there's a valve.
The media acts as a valve for politics.
It's really interesting.
It's kind of like we have this weird system where there's politics flowing around, kind of, and it doesn't make sense, but here's the point I'm trying to make.
When it comes to personal politics, it only flows in one direction, to the right.
So, the left will kick you out, they'll ban you, they'll attack you, your opinions are wrong, and the right is just recruiting everybody.
Come on over, we'll take everybody we can get and we're gonna win.
cassandra fairbanks
The right was great to me.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, so the easiest analogy is the left is screaming and yelling while the right's offering you a beer.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
And even though they don't agree with you, they'll be like, let's have a conversation.
And I point this out all the time when I sat down with Glenn Beck, disagreeing on pro-life versus pro-choice.
And we laughed together and we shook hands and we're like, man, we got to figure out how to live together.
We disagree.
And it was a smile.
It was like, this is great.
We had a great conversation.
We respected each other's opinions.
We disagree with each other.
The left doesn't do that.
Well, there's something else happening when it comes to the media.
The media only flows to the left.
So it's a weird thing where the people flow right and the media flows left.
So here's what happens.
What would happen if you came out right now and... No, I'm not even going to say it.
There are several channels on YouTube that have been deleted outright, and some have been stripped from their monetization for saying things about coronavirus.
Like doubting it or criticizing it.
Gone.
Just like that.
But of course, if you come out and scream hysteria and bloody murder, you're fine.
So what happens if you can't talk about the other side of issues?
It can only move left.
So it's almost like a ratchet.
It can only go one way.
You can't pull it backwards.
So it keeps ratcheting.
Everything is ratcheting more and more to the left.
And then people, because the left and the media is going insane, are being shoved out and pushed to the right.
So I got to say, you know, in reference to Bridget Phetasy's article, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump got a landslide either.
And these polls may be wrong because they don't know what they're talking about anymore.
I think their methodology is probably broken.
All these pollsters, Rasmussen was the only one who got it right.
They were like, I would say, I think they were the only one who got it right on 2016.
It was like, they predicted, I think, two points and Hillary got 1.7 or something like that.
I think they predicted 1.7 and she got 2.1.
Everyone else was like, Hillary Clinton's going to win by three.
They were the closest right now.
They're saying Trump's doing really, really well.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So I wouldn't be surprised if Trump does win because of all of this stuff, because
here I am forced into a corner.
I have to go buy guns and then Biden threatens, take my guns away.
And now I'm just like, I'll tell you, it's a really, it's a really interesting
thing, the difference between never having a gun and talking about gun control and
gun rights, and then owning a gun and having the same conversation.
Because to truly understand what these laws mean, you have to actually be holding one and owning it.
It's yours.
And then all of a sudden it's like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't do anything.
I have this.
It's mine.
I'm a good person.
Don't take my gun from me.
And now they are.
And so now I'm like, listen.
When I felt like I could trust police, it was very, very different.
Now I feel like I have no options at all.
I literally am like, I gotta leave this area because what am I supposed to do?
If someone comes to my house and I defend myself, I'm going to end up like this Omaha guy.
What am I going to do?
Jump off my balcony 20 feet and like land on the ground, run, and then there's nowhere to go.
There's no way to retreat.
And I know if I do anything, they're going to claim peaceful protesters, some other ridiculous nonsense.
cassandra fairbanks
My 10-year-old daughter, she never went back into my house after that night.
She went and stayed at her dad's house and then I had to send her up to visit my mom in another state because my daughter would not step foot in the house again.
She was like, I don't know if they're coming back.
They didn't catch them.
I'm not going there.
So I had to move in 12 days.
Fastest move of all time.
tim pool
To the middle of nowhere.
And then I moved out to the middle of nowhere too.
cassandra fairbanks
You're gonna love it.
tim pool
It's I know it's fantastic.
So we've been here for the past several days and everything we got built today like this room was barren empty.
And like trust us getting this we got a mixer board over here and all this stuff.
It's ridiculous.
I swear it's magic.
There's like a weird scenario where like cables just don't work.
And then you know, but we're I'm trying really, really hard to just get out because November is coming.
And I am not going to be in a city on November 3rd through Yeah.
It's like the deadline to get out of the cities.
I'm like, we can, I'm look, we're, we're what?
Eight days away now from the, from the debates.
unidentified
Awesome.
tim pool
How could the debates happen?
cassandra fairbanks
Is it that soon?
I've been so distracted with covering like Antifa and BLM and all this stuff.
I didn't even realize it was coming up so soon.
tim pool
29th.
cassandra fairbanks
Wow.
tim pool
So we're about, we're just over a week out.
Can that, can a debate really happen?
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Joe, Joe Biden, he just said 200 million people died.
cassandra fairbanks
He might fall asleep.
ian crossland
Oh, I'm so excited!
tim pool
Maybe they're gonna give him, like, a ridiculous dose of uppers.
They're gonna have him sleep up until one hour before, wake him up, get him all ready, and then give him some uppers.
I'm not trying to be mean.
I mean that literally, like, they might give him some medication.
ian crossland
Trump wanted to do a drug test, he and Biden, because he thinks he's on something.
tim pool
People have said Trump's on stuff.
But Trump's a spry old man.
He's spry.
Joe Biden's not.
So I started thinking, I'm like, man, isn't everything just going completely nuts?
Like this can't be real.
Is, is, are we, are we in the Truman show or something?
Are you guys punking me?
ian crossland
You are so in it.
Like you say this sometimes and you might be too, I don't know, but you're seeing the worst a lot.
So it's not that it's not as crazy as it seems.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I'm not talking about the worst.
I'm talking about the weird.
ian crossland
It's definitely weird.
The internet made things so weird.
tim pool
So hold on.
Let me ask you a question.
Did you see the Colby Covington fight?
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, no, but I watched his interview after.
tim pool
The guy he was fighting was like a pro Black Lives Matter guy?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Come on, man!
A guy named Covington fighting a Black Lives Matter activist?
A Trump supporter in the ring against a... Somebody set that up!
The dude was impressive.
And his speech was awesome.
It's cool.
cassandra fairbanks
I liked when they got into a fight afterwards, like a verbal fight after.
That was great.
Did you watch that?
tim pool
No, what happened?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, he got a lot of backlash.
Colby did.
Cause he was like, I just got off the phone with the president.
Has your tribes sent you smoke signals or something?
It was real bad.
But I like, I mean, I had, my eyes were watering watching it.
I was like, I can't believe he just said that.
The UFC is the last place that like comedy and actual put downs and like.
tim pool
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, trash talk is loud.
tim pool
I saw a meme and it said something, it was like something like a Colby Covington and the Covington Kid.
And it was like a picture of the Covington, Nick Sandeman.
And they're like, I'm like, what?
Like how, that's, it's just a coincidence, right?
But then the dude literally fought a Black Lives Matter activist and won.
Is that like, are the elders controlling the simulator or whatever?
Are they warning us what's going to happen in November?
Like Trump will win.
It's good.
Trump's going to beat them.
It just, there's a lot of weird little things like this where it's like, that can't be real, can it?
Like, how is this really happening?
ian crossland
If it's a magnetic universe, there are no coincidences.
tim pool
We're in a simulation, bro.
I was talking to some other people who are, you know, some big personality friends of mine, and I was just like, bro, are we in a simulation?
And these are like regular, normal, boring podcast people, and they're like, dude, we're in a simulation.
I'm half kidding.
I'm half kidding because I'm like, it's just everything that's happening is so weird.
You know, I can't imagine a debate between, listen, when I watched these videos of Joe Biden, I don't just follow like, you know, right-wing pundits who are making fun of Joe Biden.
And I push back when people try and say Joe Biden gaffed when he didn't.
So there's that one thing where Joe Biden said, I'm going to beat Joe Biden.
He didn't.
He said, I'm going to be Joe Biden, but he's got dentures.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
He was like, people ask about my record.
I tell you I'm Joe Biden.
I'm going to be Joe Biden.
But people heard a beat and I'm like, so I'll push back on that.
Right.
There's also when he said, you know, remember when Biden said, go, you know, the thing?
We're all created equally under go, you know, the thing we say.
It's not because he didn't remember the word.
It's because he panicked thinking if he said the word God, he'd offend the far left who really hate that.
So he stopped himself.
Under go, you know, the thing.
He stopped himself from saying God.
So that wasn't a gaffe.
But I watch videos of Joe Biden.
That dude is not there at all.
And so how could Donald Trump?
Donald Trump's gonna walk up on stage and go, thank you.
Joe Biden, thank you.
Your campaign staff bailed out the rioters.
And then it's over, done, that's it.
No, they did.
ian crossland
And Trump will keep, he'll be like, you said 200 million people will die, but then he won't let it go.
Trump will keep going with it.
That's the nice thing about him.
cassandra fairbanks
He's got stamina.
He's gonna last.
tim pool
He's spry.
He's a spry old man.
cassandra fairbanks
He's persistent.
tim pool
We'll talk about that.
But I do want to talk about Assange and all that stuff, too.
But first, to kind of wrap up all the talk, we were talking about these riots and everything.
How do you feel about Trump's job so far dealing with the riots?
cassandra fairbanks
Not great.
I honestly, if somebody told me that I would be saying this six months ago, I would have been like, you are out of your mind.
But I think he should have used the Insurrection Act like three months ago.
tim pool
I thought that at first I was well I shouldn't say that I was I was thinking maybe but then I read a really good article that basically said what do you think would happen when the local police are instructed to resist when the local government resists and you all of a sudden have a federal occupying force in a city that's rejecting them yeah it's just a recipe for legit civil war But at the same time, these cities are rejecting U.S.
cassandra fairbanks
law and U.S.
norms and everything.
They've gone nearly anarchist.
So at what point do you say these states are, you know, Not.
They're not functioning.
tim pool
functioning. You saw what happened today with the DOJ announcing anarchist jurisdictions. Yeah.
They're going to try and defund Portland, Seattle and New York City or take federal funding away
from them. My concern is like that's going to result in more problems for the cities.
I think it's going to make them get worse because now they have no money and they're like, whatever.
It's going to kind of fall apart.
But the problem is even that action, which I understand why they're doing it, they get this big outline of all of these cities, how they rejected federal assistance, how they won't enforce the law, how they're cutting criminals loose.
And I'm like, almost anything Trump does will lead to potential civil war.
Like the states rejecting federal authority, which they've been doing.
Like when it came to Portland, Trump sent some police there to protect a federal building, and they resisted in every possible way.
And everything just got worse.
I will say, the one thing I've praised Trump on over and over again, probably for the 50 billionth time for those of you that are familiar with my content, is that the feds deputized the Oregon State Police.
So any arrest they make now gets prosecuted by the feds instead, and that wrapped up a ton of these people.
But then, so here's what happened.
The riots came back to Portland the other day.
They went to an ICE facility.
And ICE, you see these videos of how ICE responded?
They just dropped smoke bombs.
The air was a cloud.
You couldn't see anything.
You couldn't see your hand in front of you.
And then they ran up behind Antifa.
So like Antifa's marching forward with the umbrellas.
And they're like firing tear gas at them.
And then the whole area fills with smoke.
And then all of a sudden the cops run up behind.
They went around.
ran up behind them and just grabbed them and arrested them all.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So then what happened the next day?
Antifa stayed away from the feds, marched through the city smashing up local businesses.
And where were the police, where was Ted Wheeler?
Nowhere to be found.
They realized if they go up against Trump, they get crushed.
But so long as they attack the state level, then they're okay.
cassandra fairbanks
See, one of the things that I'm having a huge problem like wrapping my head around, though, is that everybody's being like, this is what Biden's America.
This would be Biden's America.
This would be Biden's America.
And I'm like, this is Trump's America.
And it's happening right now.
And it's not stopping.
And these business owners have been getting screwed for, what, 130 days now.
And nobody's helping them.
And it's not Biden's America, it's Trump's America.
And he has a responsibility to do something if those local leaders are failing.
Because it's not those people's fault.
It's not the business owners fault.
It's not Jake's fault.
It's not any of these people's fault that their local government is failing them.
tim pool
At the very least, no.
cassandra fairbanks
I do want to say, though, before people jump down my throat, I am voting for Trump, and I think that you'd be a fool not to vote for Trump.
I just have some criticisms, also.
tim pool
I think Trump's probably concerned that if he makes too bold a move, it could affect his chance at re-election.
I think every politician deals with that.
I know a lot of people say Trump's not a politician.
He is now.
He's fighting for re-election.
So he's a different kind.
But he might lose if they would use everything against him.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't believe there's undecided voters.
I think that people have picked a side, and his side wants law and order.
And he's not giving us enough law and order.
tim pool
Well, I mean, not only that, look at the Republicans who are like, we're not going to vote on replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
It's like, dude, literally every Republican and Trump supporter wants you to do it.
So I don't know whose vote you think you're going to get.
It's funny because you have like, I think it was like Murkowski.
But did they flip back and say they were going to do it?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't think so.
I think she's standing strong, but I could be wrong.
I was in Assange and Antifa mode all day.
I haven't kept up on anything else.
tim pool
She's saying she's not going to vote to confirm or whatever until after the election.
Does she think there is a large group of Trump's conservatives and Republicans who have decided, like every Republican is undecided?
The point I'm trying to make is, if 30% of the country is Republican, 33% is Democrat, and 30% are independent, She realized, like, you realize you'll lose all of the Republicans if you do this.
And so what, is she trying to get Democrats to vote for her?
They're not going to vote for her.
They want ridiculous policy that makes no sense.
So by abandoning the core base of Republicans, then what?
You get some left moderate Democrats who for some reason like the Republican better than the Democrats?
That makes literally no sense.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, I just think politicians are narcissists and they get, you know, she is an extremely unremarkable politician.
There's nothing special about her.
There's nothing interesting about her.
She's not a Trump or a Ted Cruz or a Rand Paul.
She's not.
She's boring.
And by pandering to the left for a little while, she gets a whole bunch of head pats from CNN and she gets her five minutes of airtime where people are like, you did a great thing.
You're so brave.
And it feeds their ego for, you know, another year.
tim pool
Let's let's talk about Wikileaks.
cassandra fairbanks
All right.
tim pool
So you're like a Wikileaks confidant, I guess.
Or like, how would you describe yourself in that capacity?
We're talking about Trump, mind you, too.
I'm tying it together.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
I'm a friend of Julian's.
I'm a longtime supporter.
I have covered them extensively.
I've written hundreds of articles about Wikileaks.
unidentified
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
tim pool
You were saying before, like, if it wasn't for the riots, you wouldn't have voted for Trump because of what happened to Assange.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
I mean, if somebody is, you know, going after your friend, would you?
tim pool
Well, what did Trump do?
Let me start real quick, just for people who might not be aware.
WikiLeaks is essentially just a news publication.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
They but they they they the core of it is they take leaks whistleblowers and they publish all news outlets do this.
Well not all but most but news outlets also will write like you know it rained today and there's like a cat in the tree.
But they'll take leaks the new york times writes about a bunch of different things including leaks wiki leaks like
cassandra fairbanks
focuses on they'll use software Based on wiki leaks now to get an anonymous submission the
tim pool
dropbox stuff. Yeah, so julian assange has basically been detained forcibly, um under house arrest sort of
He was in the Ecuadorian embassy for a long time.
When they finally are dropping the charges, the U.S.
swoops in and arrests him, and now they're trying to extradite him.
And I don't know how much I'm supposed to say.
Well, they read your testimony, right?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
It's online.
tim pool
So Trump did it.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump is the one who ordered Assange's arrest.
I don't get it.
Trump said he loved WikiLeaks, and now all of a sudden he's putting Assange through all of this.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, I think Trump surrounded himself with a lot of very, very bad people.
I mean, we had Bolton, Pompeo.
It was he hired a lot of Bushies, you know, that's not the same Republican Party as the Trump people and those people certainly don't care about a free press.
But yeah, he he ordered it and Jennifer Robinson recently testified to that.
You know, there was a meeting, and they offered Julian Assange a pardon in exchange for giving up his source.
tim pool
On the DC email leaks?
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
Or the DNC?
cassandra fairbanks
Yes.
tim pool
Or was it the DCCC?
It was the DNC, right?
cassandra fairbanks
The DNC leaks.
tim pool
So Julian Assange came to possess emails from the DNC, and it was very, very bad for the Democrats.
And Donald Trump wants to know how he got this.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, I mean, Donald Trump's whole president.
I can't talk.
His whole presidency has been plagued by Russia, Russia, Russia.
Everything's Russia.
You won because Russia.
And so by by finding out WikiLeaks source, because Julian's repeatedly said it wasn't a state actor and he's a very honest man.
He would finally be able to put that to bed.
tim pool
It would clear Trump.
cassandra fairbanks
It would clear his name.
tim pool
Wouldn't?
This is a really tough question.
It's a really difficult ethical conundrum.
Julian Assange can't give up his sources.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It would discredit everything he's ever done.
It would destroy the organization.
And it would put at risk his sources.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think a lot of people, there's the conspiracy theory of who leaked to it, who leaked the information to WikiLeaks.
But assuming that this, so I guess the conspiracy theory is Seth Rich.
They claim that Seth Rich did it.
But the media claims it was Russia.
I guess it was what, intelligence agencies claimed it was Russia as well?
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
But Assange said absolutely not.
Then who was that other guy who claimed it was not Russia because he received the documents from someone?
cassandra fairbanks
Former Ambassador Craig Murray.
tim pool
Craig Murray said that.
So it's either... I mean, at this point, I have no idea who it could have been.
Maybe Craig Murray, Assange, they're both lying.
Maybe the theories are wrong.
Or maybe there's someone we don't know about, and if Assange gave them up, it would put this person's life in jeopardy, and Assange won't give up that information.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
And it could it could have been multiple, multiple people.
I mean, he's not going to tell anyone and he shouldn't.
And he doesn't owe anybody that.
You know, people want people are like, well, he needs to do this because our democracy is falling apart.
And it's like he doesn't know you anything.
He gave you the information to make an informed decision about your election.
And then everybody forgot about him and left him in an embassy for two more years to rot while Trump was president and could have pardoned him.
Why does he owe anybody anything?
And so when he refused the deal, WikiLeaks lawyers argued that that's when they decided to prosecute him.
tim pool
Because now they're going to take him by force and force him to give it up.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
And that's a violation of ethics.
And you know, it really is a challenge because I feel that part of me where it's like, if we can get confirmation that it really wasn't Russia, that would destroy Maybe not completely, because the establishment lies all the time, and we know.
Like, they were wrong completely about Russia, and we know that.
But if we figure out who this person really was, assuming this person... Whatever we could learn about that person, that could change everything, and be a major powerful tool in stopping the psychopaths who are destroying our cities, who are rombing through our streets, who are infecting our cultural institutions.
It feels like Assange might hold the key Yeah, but that's not his responsibility.
what the left is doing and help restore America back to where it used to be if we could just get the truth about
cassandra fairbanks
what Happened. Yeah, but that's not his responsibility. He's not
even American. I know He doesn't owe anybody any favors.
Nobody in America did him any favors.
tim pool
And this is why I'm like, this is Donald Trump's absolute America first.
That he would be like, Assange is an American, and he needs the information for America.
But also, I gotta say, for himself, too.
It would exonerate him.
It would disprove a lot of this nonsense.
Even though it's already been mostly proven to be bunk.
We'll see what happens with the Durham report.
I'm wondering if we're even gonna see any... I don't think anything's gonna happen with Durham.
I gotta give context for the people who might not understand.
So we have... John Durham is investigating the Obama administration and intelligence agency individuals for... I guess... How would you describe it?
I guess the official way is understanding how Russiagate started.
Although they've already issued one criminal indictment, I think, right?
That lawyer who altered the email for like claiming that Carter Page wasn't actually a CIA source or something.
So, and this story is so hard to talk about.
You know what really scares me about all of this?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
To truly explain to someone the context around Julian Assange, what his information means, why he has to protect it, why Trump is going at it.
There's like 50 billion stories beneath all of that.
It's so difficult.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
It's very, very challenging.
I've been trying to explain my testimony to some friends of mine and things who don't really follow it.
They only really know WikiLeaks because of the election.
And it's just like an onion.
Like there's so many layers you have to explain for each little bit of my statement.
Like it's, it was very complicated because a lot of people only know WikiLeaks from 2016.
They don't remember or they were too young or they weren't paying attention.
Or it was just the wrong side politically when the Manning leaks came out.
ian crossland
Was that collateral murder?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
In the war logs.
ian crossland
So in Vietnam, they embedded journalism so people could see how horrible it was, the casualty rate on both sides in friendly fire.
So they pulled journalism out of the military for the first Iraq invasion, basically, or war.
tim pool
They pulled it out?
ian crossland
Yeah, they don't want journalists.
They put journalists in there only as like faux journalism to make it look good.
So seeing this collateral murder thing, you see how just civilians struggle.
People just die.
tim pool
That was Obama.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was Obama's drone.
tim pool
That was Obama?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
tim pool
That was before Obama.
ian crossland
That was 2010 or something?
Oh, it was before.
It came out during Obama.
tim pool
The footage was from Bush.
ian crossland
It was like a helicopter gunship mowing down civilians that they thought were a camera.
They thought a camera was a gun.
They opened fire on all these civilians.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, Manning described it as like watching a child torturing ants with a magnifying glass.
Because they were shooting them from the helicopter and laughing, yeah.
And that's war.
ian crossland
That's military.
You know, they have to have fun.
They have to joke about it.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, otherwise you'd go crazy.
tim pool
Donald Trump talked about pardoning Edward Snowden.
So Snowden is the NSA leaker who gave all of these files to Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, The Intercept, and Donald Trump entertained pardoning him.
Don't you think there's a possibility?
Or do you think there's a possibility he might, after he gets re-elected, finally be like, okay, you know what?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, I mean, I guess I should explain what my testimony was about today.
tim pool
So this is kind of crazy.
You submitted testimony in the trial against Julian Assange.
cassandra fairbanks
No, I wasn't against him.
I was for the defense.
tim pool
No, I mean that the trial is the trial.
cassandra fairbanks
The trial, yeah.
tim pool
You submitted evidence supporting Assange in his ongoing trial, extradition trial, right?
cassandra fairbanks
Yes, so I was supposed to testify, but the UK court's very different, and the prosecutor for the US didn't want to cross-examine me.
which is pretty awesome, like he was scared.
But they, so instead, they didn't have to have me speak.
They didn't want me to speak.
And so the deal was that the lawyers would read my statement.
It's the same thing they did with Jennifer Robinson and a few other witnesses.
But they read, I had an eight page statement in a transcript of some phone calls
and things that were submitted.
And they read that in open court today.
And basically in October 2018, I interviewed Julian Assange's mom, Christine.
Lovely woman.
Highly recommend following her on Twitter.
But she was calling for a pardon for her son.
No big deal.
Normal article.
And at the time I was in a DM group with a whole bunch of conservative influencers and people in the Trump campaign and close to the administration.
Ambassador Rick Grenell was in it.
Arthur Schwartz.
A lot of powerful people and reporters and things.
People in the campaign would post things in there that they wanted people to share or that they wanted people to see.
So, like, no-brainer, I put it in there, hoping maybe I would find a sympathetic ear.
I didn't.
So, ten minutes later, I get this crazy call from Arthur Schwartz, who was doing communications for Rick Grinnell.
I believe he still does.
And if you Google him, he's known as, like, Donald Trump Jr.' 's fixer.
And he's like yelling at me.
And we've always been friendly, so I'm like, what is going on?
And he starts saying that a pardon is never going to happen, that they're going to go into the embassy to arrest Julian, that they're charging Julian based on the Manning release, not on DNC leaks or Vault 7.
that he was a horrible person and I didn't know all the terrible things that happened because of him and he was saying that you know if if you really understood this you wouldn't be supporting him anymore and people understand that you've supported him up until now because you didn't know but now that you know if you continue reporting him like basically you can't be in our in the cool crowd you're not gonna be you know you're gonna be What were you supposed to know?
tim pool
Or what was he claiming you knew now?
cassandra fairbanks
He was just telling me that he was a bad person, that WikiLeaks got people killed, which is not true.
I mean, the Pentagon testified that was not true during the Manning trial, and the prosecution said that's not true during this trial.
tim pool
Could it be the Pentagon was lying because they don't want to reveal that they were compromised?
cassandra fairbanks
Possibly I couldn't really speculate on that But I argued with him that it was false and I was like they testified that that's not true In the US government said that's not true in the extradition case still but he was insistent that Julian had done all these bad things He had got people hurt that he was reckless.
He was comparing him to a drunk driver saying they was selfish and had no regard for other people and And that it was basically like if you keep supporting this guy, you're not going to be in
the cool MAGA club in DC anymore.
Like you're going to be, you're not going to get scoops. We're not going to share Gateway
Pundit. We're not, you know, it was, it was an odd conversation. Huh? You say F you. Well,
I kept baiting him because I wanted, I wanted more information. So I was like, tell me more,
you know, tell me more, keep telling me more.
At one point I did start to cry, though, because he was screaming at me that Julian was going to spend the rest of his life in prison and that it wasn't journalism.
I was getting very frustrated and I was saying, if you go into an embassy and rip him out, he's a political refugee technically.
You'd be committing an act of war.
And he was like, not if they let us.
And so, I mean, I care about this case very deeply, and so it was upsetting to me.
But as soon as I got off the phone, I think I called Chelsea, and I was like, hey, I think they're coming after you.
And then I went and I told Julian in person.
And the State Department got, they were surveilling our meetings, so they heard everything that
I told him.
And Arthur, when I got back, Arthur told me that there was a State Department investigation and that he couldn't tell me anything anymore because I had told Julian.
He knew that I told Julian.
And yeah, sorry, there's like a mosquito, but yeah, the woods.
tim pool
Yup.
Yeah.
They eventually went and pulled him out.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, so they went and pulled him out.
And I hit up Arthur again and I was like, hey, you know, you knew this was going to happen.
Can you tell me what's going on?
And he was like, he deserves the death penalty.
Everyone involved at WikiLeaks deserves a death penalty.
Completely unhinged.
And a few days after that, I think it was like April 15th, and he was arrested on the 11th.
There was an article on ABC News and it said that, it was like buried way down in this article, said that Rick Grinnell is the one who had worked out the deal for Julian's arrest.
And so suddenly I was like, oh, that's how Arthur knew all this stuff that he told me in October.
And I hit him up and I was like, hey, is this how you knew that?
And he was like, And then, you know, kept ranting about him being, you know, deserving the death penalty.
And the article also said that Grinnell only got a verbal pledge that there would be no death penalty.
So I pointed that out and he was like, well, he deserves, you know.
tim pool
What could he possibly get the death penalty for?
cassandra fairbanks
if they try and claim that people did get hurt if they add new charges.
tim pool
But Julian's not an American.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, the UN has warned repeatedly that they believe there's a chance that the US could try and execute him because they could add terrorism charges, espionage charges, Patriot Act stuff.
I mean, there's a slew of things that they could throw at him.
tim pool
I gotta say, I'm convinced, like, I understand, you know, Trump is going after him because I think Trump wants to win the fight.
He wants evidence that Russia, the story was bunk, and he probably wants to help himself.
But I can only imagine if Joe Biden gets in, they'll kill him.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, Hillary Clinton joked about droning him.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't think she was joking.
tim pool
Well, I should clarify that.
ian crossland
She laughed about it.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, but that's because she's evil.
Not because it was a joke.
tim pool
You realize Julian's in London, right?
He's a couple blocks away from this really big shopping mall.
It's like his famous mall.
It's down the street.
It's literally around the corner.
You can't drone London.
If Joe Biden gets in, Yeah.
The left absolutely hates WikiLeaks right now, for some reason.
Like, I guess because of Trump.
Because they think WikiLeaks was working for the Russians.
That is an incredible, incredible flip.
I remember back in the day, Julian Assange, hero of the left, anti-establishment, anti-war, exposing the war crimes, and then all it took was some intelligence asset individuals to go on MSNBC and say, oh, actually, that guy you like?
Russia.
He helped Trump.
And then, snap!
All of a sudden, now they're like, let him burn!
You love this guy, man.
cassandra fairbanks
But Trump was the one who ordered his arrest, at least according to Arthur.
tim pool
Even Trump said he loved WikiLeaks.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, but he ordered his arrest, and people should be putting pressure on him to free him.
Just saying.
tim pool
I think Julian Assange, the story, is a modern-day assassination story.
And what I mean by that is, we're not in the times where information was scarce.
There's phones everywhere, there's somebody watching all the time.
And if they went to get Julian in a major first-world city, then it would be a serious, high-profile circumstance where it would make a martyr.
They don't want to make a martyr.
So what ends up happening is character assassination, absurd
indictments.
Then he gets arrested.
So he knows they're going to try and extradite him.
He was right the whole time.
Julian went to the Ecuadorian embassy because he thought he was going to get
extradited, right?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And then sure enough, once they finally got him out, they were trying to
extradite him.
cassandra fairbanks
And the media painted him as crazy for years.
They were like, he has no reason to think this.
He could walk out anytime.
I mean, I spent years arguing with people about this.
People would tweet at me constantly being like, he could leave anytime.
He's not under arrest.
He could leave whenever he wants.
And Julian would always be like, no, I can't though.
And he was right.
tim pool
There was like, so I actually met with him several years ago, and there was a creepy black van chilling out in front, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure, like, as soon as I walked anywhere near that building, I'm pretty sure as soon as I got the message, the email, like, they immediately just ripped apart all of my, you know, personal emails, all my files, like, all the intelligence agencies from all these different companies, the Five Eyes Spy Club, Did you take your phone to the embassy?
cassandra fairbanks
Did they take your phone back then?
tim pool
They did.
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
They took my phone.
I stopped.
I didn't bring it for the later visits.
I think the first visit I did.
But they made you give all the numbers and everything and they hold it up there.
They were spying that whole time.
Like they were using your phone.
All these journalists who got spied on.
There's only like one who's even saying anything like, hey, you guys spied on me.
What the hell?
tim pool
I remember that.
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
All these journalists who visited him over the years are silent, and they get spied on by the U.S.
government while speaking to a political refugee.
It's insane.
tim pool
Do you agree with me about Biden, though?
If Biden wins, what they'll do to Assange?
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, yeah.
I hate to even think about it.
I mean, I don't think that Trump is much better on this, but I do think that they will be worse.
tim pool
Glenn Greenwald tweeted about this.
Someone said, why would Donald Trump want to pardon Edward Snowden?
And his response was because Snowden, like, because Trump is mad about how the intelligence agencies and these individuals smeared him with Russia, so yeah, he kind of wants revenge.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
Isn't there a possibility, like, that Trump is just trying to get the information from Assange, but he wouldn't do what, say, like, a Biden administration would do?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
tim pool
I mean, he offered him a pardon, you know?
Not that I agree with it.
I think that's a violation, like a serious violation of journalistic freedoms in the first- Right.
For us, the first amendment, I know Julian Assange is not an American citizen, but this is kind of scary, the idea that the U.S.
government could target a foreign person.
Like, same thing they did with Kim Dotcom.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, Kim Dotcom was not an American.
Why did American resources go into New Zealand and raid this guy's house?
They did the same thing to Julian Assange.
It's kind of scary when you realize the true power of the United States and their allies and what they'll do if you're not an American.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, Juice Wrapped News has a great video about that, where they have representatives from each government and they're like, we're America's bitch.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Sorry.
tim pool
No, that's fine.
cassandra fairbanks
Highly recommend looking for it, though.
tim pool
Yeah, but they don't do the Wrapped News stuff anymore, Juice Media.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Now it's like, you know, I've talked to those guys before in the past, but now it's like, so for those unfamiliar, Juice Wrapped News, in like 2010, made some of the most amazing political commentary music videos.
I've only really watched that one.
in a sense, sort of explaining the gist of some of these things.
But now it's like a lot of stuff they produce is just your generic leftist
orange man bad.
cassandra fairbanks
I've only really watched that one.
tim pool
But they're doing the honest government ads now.
cassandra fairbanks
And it's like, that's what this was.
But it was the Julian Assange one.
And it was brilliant.
Spot on.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, man.
Going back into 2010, I remember all the hacker stuff.
And that's basically how I know you.
It's crazy how the hacker community was like the libertarian left.
It was very libertarian, period.
But most of these people in the hacker community were not right-wing.
They were kind of libertarian, but leaning left.
The government started going after these people.
They started giving ridiculous charges.
And Julian Assange is like the remnant of that, I guess.
He's still facing this desperate attack from the U.S.
government against left libertarian-style hacker individuals.
And they've successfully turned the left against WikiLeaks.
When did the left become pro-war?
cassandra fairbanks
Under Obama.
tim pool
Under Obama.
cassandra fairbanks
They didn't want to protest him doing the exact same thing that they protested Bush doing.
ian crossland
Clinton was pro-war.
tim pool
He was just there with a smile.
ian crossland
They all are.
I know.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
ian crossland
The left became pro-war after World War II because they want to prevent World War III, so they set up military bases all over the earth.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
ian crossland
Yeah.
It's called the, well, they call it, Eisenhower called it the Military Industrial Complex.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But what I'm saying is, I remember early 2010s, people protesting.
I remember 2000s.
War is bad.
Bush is bad.
War is bad.
Then Obama gets in.
War is good now.
ian crossland
Yeah, the people that were screaming anti-war weren't left.
They were like centrists, the people that... I don't think they're far left.
tim pool
No, but the left was on... So, you know, I'll tell you what it was.
ian crossland
Maybe they were anti-Bush too.
tim pool
No, it was because I was coming of age during Bush.
I was a teenager during Bush, seeing all of these people claim to be my ally and my friend saying war is bad.
And I genuinely thought war was bad.
I'm like, I look at this stuff and this is bad.
And then as soon as Obama got elected, I'm still standing there holding the sign saying war is bad.
And they go, we're going to get out of here.
And I'm like, but war is bad.
Yeah, but our guy won, so it's all you, buddy.
ian crossland
Right, the identitarian split.
You know, F the identitarian anti-war guys, because they'll go off with their candidate when he wins and go to war with them.
tim pool
You mean tribalist.
ian crossland
Yeah, or whatever.
tim pool
Identitarian is a reference to, like... People that worship somebody.
That's not identitarian.
ian crossland
It's the anti-war concept that pervades.
Forget who's in charge.
If they're going to war, you've got to turn on them.
You've got to stop the war.
tim pool
I think there are instances where war is unfortunate, but good.
I think there are a lot of instances where the U.S.
is engaging in extremely stupid and bad war that's just bad for us.
But it's like, you get some zealot who wants to go and is mad about how someone tried to kill his dad, and we end up in 20 years of war in the Middle East, which, for what?
Can we even talk about what we gain from this?
And now all of a sudden, I'm sitting here like, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, eh, I'm not gonna vote for a Republican, I'm not Hillary Clinton, she wants war.
And then Trump wins, and now he's the guy who hasn't started a war.
He's the guy who's got historic peace agreements in the Middle East.
He's the guy who's withdrawing our troops, and I'm like, I still think war is bad.
Hello?
unidentified
Left?
No.
tim pool
They're complaining about Trump doing this.
And you know what bothers me?
I don't understand The Intercept, Glenn Greenwald's outlet, because he's complained about Russiagate.
Here, here, Russiagate was nonsense.
He complains about the media.
I totally agree, Glenn.
He says, here's criticism of Trump.
And I'm like, man, right there.
And then he says, this is really great that Trump is ending war.
I'm like, dude, Glenn, this is fantastic.
So we voting for Trump now and he goes, no, his outlet starts putting on all Trump is bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, the far left is good.
And I'm like, what?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Tribal with that tribalism.
tim pool
It's it's, it's almost like.
Glenn Greenwald is part of that left libertarian hacker kind of thing that
happened and he is still too, he's pulled into this weird new left that is either
identitarian or pro war establishments, you know, cabal.
ian crossland
I think he's identitarian, Glenn Greenwald.
He just doesn't like Trump.
tim pool
I don't think he's an identitarian.
He criticizes the woke SJW stuff.
ian crossland
Right, but he dislikes Trump so much.
tim pool
That's just tribalist.
That's just orange man bad.
ian crossland
Maybe I'm conflating the words identitarian and tribalist.
tim pool
I think you're right.
I think there's too many people on the left who refuse to accept that they are better off with Trump than with Joe Biden.
I don't care.
That's what I was saying when you're talking about this phone call with Arthur.
If someone called me and said that, I'd be like, yeah, F you.
Click.
I don't care.
I don't care if it's Trump.
I don't care if it's Biden.
I don't care if it's Hillary.
You tell me something that's good, I'll give you credit for it.
And if I think you're doing a good enough job, I will vote for you for it.
The riots flipped me.
Yeah.
I was like, I remember last year, I was like, I'm never gonna vote for this Trump.
Are you crazy?
It'll never happen.
Nothing will ever change my fire explosions.
cassandra fairbanks
I knew you were gonna change your mind.
tim pool
And I'm like, so where's the vote for Trump box?
Is it set?
I'm gonna press this button right here.
ian crossland
You said earlier you thought that some wars are good.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like?
tim pool
World War II.
ian crossland
Defensive wars?
tim pool
That's bad, but we have to do it, right?
If we get invaded, which we've never been invaded.
Well, maybe like, if you go way back and talk about like the territories and stuff, you know, we've had conflict in our in our on our own ground.
But in modern history, all of the conflicts we fought have been going other places.
And it's usually been like we've had a lot of failures.
The US has had a lot of stupid failures.
ian crossland
Korea, Vietnam.
tim pool
I wouldn't necessarily say Korea was a failure.
I'm actually kind of happy the U.S.
went to Korea.
Because my family, I probably wouldn't be here if the U.S.
didn't intervene.
But it still split the country in half.
Vietnam was a disaster.
And the Gulf of Tonkin was complete B.S.
What got us into the war was complete B.S.
Afghanistan and Iraq, complete disasters.
And all the other stupid, you know, incursion excursions that we do in South and Central America.
America does a lot of really dumb things for a lot of really dumb reasons.
But World War II, I understand.
World War II is like... I mean, look, right now we're looking... Here's one of the most difficult questions.
We're looking at China.
China's got concentration camps, man.
They're harvesting organs.
The things they're doing to these people is what nightmares are made of.
Then we've got the oppression in Hong Kong as well, and they're expanding.
They're doing strike groups going through the South China Sea past Taiwan, and there's fears that they're going to try and seize Taiwan.
They claim Taiwan is part of China.
Taiwan says otherwise.
There's going to be a major conflict.
What do we do?
cassandra fairbanks
I'm anti-intervention, always.
tim pool
Even if it's a million people having their organs harvested?
cassandra fairbanks
Always.
tim pool
See, for me, I wouldn't say I'm absolutely against intervention, but I'm, when it comes to intervention, leaning away from it, but will entertain it if there's an atrocity happening.
cassandra fairbanks
Even when we've went into war with the best intentions, there's always unintended consequences.
I mean, look at what happened with Libya.
We went in there, we destabilized a whole bunch of things, and now they have open-air slave markets.
Even if we're doing something and selling it to the public as As good.
There's always going to be a drawback, and I firmly believe in only engaging in war if the U.S.
is directly threatened, or if it's in our national interest in a way that, you know, there's no other option.
tim pool
Should we have intervened in World War II?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
I don't think so.
And I don't think we should have entered World War I, and I think that World War II wouldn't have happened without World War I.
tim pool
That's an interesting point because I was talking to Michael Malice about this and I had a very generic
Ignorant view of World War one and I need to do my homework on it, but he mentioned it was a war of alliances
Yeah, World War two was clear-cut like this. What what the what Nazi Germany was doing was just like
cassandra fairbanks
Evil. Well, oh, yeah, we didn't even enter World War two to stop the Holocaust it
People didn't even know about the stuff that was happening.
The debate here was about was America First people and like there was actually an America First committee back then.
It disbanded right when Pearl Harbor was attacked.
But the argument was about whether or not we should be engaging in European conflict.
and whether or not we should be helping England.
It had nothing to do with stopping atrocities because nobody knew and a lot of this didn't start until later.
So, that's not why we entered World War II.
We entered World War II to help England.
Technically we entered because Pearl Harbor got attacked, but they had been pushing for it because... Well, I think it's fair to point out we got attacked by Japan and then sent soldiers to Europe.
tim pool
But I mean, hindsight being 20-20, and I think that's not necessarily the best point, I think it ended up being good.
We ended what they were doing, but now we know what China is doing.
So I'm not saying we should have an intervention into China or anything like that.
I mean, I support defending our country.
cassandra fairbanks
I support defending our borders.
If there's something that's in our national interest that is Unavoidable.
I support it in that case.
And I'm not going to sit here and say that it was bad to stop Nazi Germany, but I do think that there were consequences of that.
And I think that, you know, look at Dresden, look at what happened, or yeah, look at what happened all over Germany and how many people died and how many of our people died for something that had nothing to do with us.
tim pool
And they were killing a lot of people.
So a lot of people ended up living because we came right.
cassandra fairbanks
And I fully agree with that.
It's just there.
There are consequences to these things.
And now because of World War Two and that being successful, they argue this for every intervention.
They say, well, what would you have wanted Hitler to win?
Would you want to be speaking German right now?
And so they've used this to justify everything that's come later.
And so a lot of people have died because of it.
I agree, I agree.
That's just my opinion.
tim pool
I agree.
I think there's been a lot of mistakes where the U.S.
has intervened and failed, and then World War II becomes the key example of why it's good, because that was really important that that ended, that we shut those people down.
The challenge now is how do we deal with China?
I mean, look, I don't believe the United States of the world are the world's police, but I do have a concern that we're watching China arm up.
We're watching them abuse their neighbors.
Potential war with India could happen, and India is an ally of ours.
And so we're seeing the atrocities they commit.
We're seeing them defy international law and norms, setting up military bases on the South China Sea atolls and things like that, or the Pacific atolls.
They're spreading, encroaching, and becoming more and more powerful.
I don't like the idea of just intervention.
We don't like what they're doing.
They may threaten us preemptive war.
That's a terrible idea.
The other side of that coin is if we sit back while they expand in South America and Africa, gaining resources and buying out all these countries, eventually you'll be living in an authoritarian communist country.
unidentified
Right.
cassandra fairbanks
And China is an interesting case because I think they own farmland in the U.S.
that I think is equal to the size of Ohio.
My boyfriend, Brett McDonald, has wrote about this extensively.
But they are buying a lot of land here, and I don't agree with that either.
And I think China is an interesting case And there are arguments to be made for intervening there.
But when you're talking about intervention broadly, you have to think about why you care about these atrocities.
Because there's atrocities all over the world at any given time.
I mean, look at Yemen.
But they don't want you to care about Yemen.
They want you to care about Venezuela.
Why is that?
And so they pick and choose the atrocities that they want to highlight and the ones that we need to save people from.
And there's always another motive for it.
And I guarantee that the weapons manufacturers are not concerned about the fact that people are starving.
That's not why they want to go there.
tim pool
We've had drone strikes in Yemen.
We had Obama killing Americans.
Abdul Rahman al-Awlaki, I believe, was in Yemen killing an American citizen without charge or trial and then saying, oopsie.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, Luke got that great video.
He confronted his press secretary and was like- Luke Rutkowski of We Are Change.
Yeah, he was like, um, and he comments about the fact that you guys killed an American teenager, and I think it was his press secretary was like, he should have had a different father.
tim pool
A better dad.
cassandra fairbanks
A better father, yeah.
tim pool
Is that why he was killed?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
In my opinion?
Maybe it's a little bit conspiratorial, but I kind of feel like, for those that aren't familiar, there's a man named Anwar al-Awlaki.
He was preaching jihad against the U.S.
Obama drone-striked him.
And then two weeks later, I think it was, in a country we were not at war with, they drone-striked a civilian restaurant, killing his 16-year-old son, who I believe was born in like Boulder, Colorado.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, it was Colorado.
tim pool
That sounds to me like Obama saying, we will kill your children if you F with us.
The official story was, we were targeting someone else, it was a mistake.
The question then is, why were we targeting someone at a civilian restaurant in a country we are not at war with?
Because they don't care.
Yeah, it's like a kid with a magnifying glass from above just dropping a bomb on a restaurant.
And that stuff causes harm to America.
It's what CIA called it, blowback.
Could you imagine you blow up a restaurant?
There's gonna be people there, like some dad's gonna watch this.
He's gonna be across the street, it's gonna be movie-esque, and he's gonna see a restaurant get blown up, and they're gonna see the drone, they're gonna be panicking, his kid's gonna be gone, and that guy's gonna become radicalized in an instant.
And he's gonna do everything in his power against us because somebody made a mistake, to go with the establishment narrative.
I can't claim otherwise, I have no evidence.
But then all of a sudden you end up with terror, conflict, and refugees.
People fleeing these countries, their homes destroyed, and that creates even more conflict.
And you know what?
There are people who strive on this stuff, thrive on this stuff.
They love it, they profit off of it, and the rest of us suffer because of it.
cassandra fairbanks
So anyway... Well, that's why WikiLeaks is so important.
I'm not saying... They show you the true cost of war, and then you can make an informed decision as a public.
tim pool
But to be fair, I mean, with WikiLeaks, how often have they released documents on China?
cassandra fairbanks
I'm not actually sure, but they've released a lot of documents that don't get as much exposure as U.S.
stuff.
tim pool
For sure.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, they've released tons of files on even Russia.
People are always like, how come they've never done anything on Russia?
And there are cables on Russia.
Go on their website and search.
You'll find anything there.
tim pool
I think there was like one point where someone asked Julian that or something and he was like, these files are already public.
They were like, why didn't you release these files?
They were public.
Someone sent us files that were already public, so we ignored it.
And I think Julian probably does what he thinks, or he was, I don't know what his capacity is now because of what's happening to him, but he probably focused on what he thought was the most important.
And I'm not saying you have to agree with what he thinks is important.
But I will argue that one of the arguments against WikiLeaks is that he was consistently targeting the US.
And if you're only hitting us over and over and over again, it's going to be helping our adversaries.
cassandra fairbanks
That's not true, though.
They just don't get as much coverage.
tim pool
Right.
cassandra fairbanks
You know, he's released all kinds of things from all the different nations all over the country, but we're not going to talk about those cables as much here.
I mean, you can pull up WikiLeaks right now and type in any nation and you're probably going to find thousands of documents.
Yeah.
It just depends what our media wants to cover.
Our media isn't interested in things that are anti-war or things that, you know, make certain governments look bad.
So, you know, I think that people are blaming Julian for the failings of the media on that argument.
tim pool
Definitely.
Because the New York Times got us into the wars and other big mainstream outlets.
They lied to us.
Man.
It's funny how a lot of my political views were shaped by growing up during this time.
And it's kind of crazy when I think about how much I don't know from even 10 years before I was born.
Like the context of how the media operated.
I wonder if I was 10 years older and I saw the flip, how it's like pro-war Democrat, then anti-war under Bush, and then pro-war under Obama again.
I would have been sort of insulated from seeing, you know, from believing that the Democrats had my best interest.
that they really thought war was bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I learned the hard way, I love it.
When I voted for Obama in 2008, I'm like smiling, hanging out with my friends,
and I was like, you know, I was a skateboarder, I was kind of punk, I was kind of moving
a little bit away from the far left.
And then people were telling me like, dude, Obama's not one of these establishment people.
He's like an up and coming dude, he's a regular guy.
And I'm like, cool.
And I went in, I'm like, yeah, Obama.
And then the first thing Obama does when he gets inaugurated is, I think it was an airstrike
on a village killing women and children.
unidentified
And I was like, ah, wait a minute, what?
tim pool
You told me that was bad.
They're like, no, no, no, no, it's good, it's good.
It's like, what do you mean it's good?
You told me nonstop it was bad.
I voted for this guy.
cassandra fairbanks
These are hope and change drones.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
The missile said hope, and the Reaper said hope, and the Hellfire said change.
Hope and change blew up those women and children.
ian crossland
When they got in, they did that Let's Move campaign.
I don't know if you guys remember, Michelle Obama had a Let's Move campaign, and it was originally about cutting sugar out of your diet.
And the sugar industry did not like that, so they got their fingers in there and then switched it and made it into an exercise campaign.
That sugar industry is insidious, man.
It's one of the most addictive drugs on earth.
tim pool
Sugar!
ian crossland
And it's like the tobacco industry of the 70s selling sugar to kids.
People don't realize this.
tim pool
All war.
All conflict.
All conspiracy.
Sugar industry.
Big sugar.
And there's like a guy selling candy canes with shifty eyes.
ian crossland
You know how there's this military industrial complex that they built after World War II?
It was like the British and the English and the French just wanted to prevent World War III.
I wonder if there's a Chinese military industrial complex that we don't hear anything about.
tim pool
Oh yeah, of course.
ian crossland
Or if it's all one complex.
tim pool
Dude, do you know the name of the Chinese state, like, spy agency?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They just call it Beijing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What was it?
That was in a show.
Someone was talking about it, but it's a good point.
Like, the CIA, the KGB, or what is the Russian thing now?
FSB, I think?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
And they just say Beijing.
I think that was like a Mission Impossible movie or something.
Unless there actually is a name.
I know they have like this, they just call it the State Ministry of Service or something like that.
But yeah, there definitely is.
Trump was talking about this.
Now, you gotta admit, war is bad.
But don't you love Trump's blunt honesty on this stuff?
Because one of my all-time favorite things Trump has ever done was when he walked up to the reporters and they're like, what's going on with this weapons deal?
Oh, it's really great.
We're giving all of these weapons to Saudi Arabia.
We're gonna make a lot of money, you know?
And then all the anti-war people were like, I was horrified.
But he just said it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He just came out and admitted war profiteering, essentially.
cassandra fairbanks
And I'm like, but he also calls out the military industrial complex.
Like he's done it twice now and like solid.
tim pool
What he's talking about Syria and he's like, you know what I love?
I think he does it on purpose to get at them.
Trump wanted to withdraw from Syria and they all started complaining, oh no, oh no, the oil, the oil.
So Trump left soldiers in and now he's just like, we're withdrawing our troops from Syria, but we're keeping the oil so the soldiers are still there to guard the oil.
That's what we're doing.
But we're getting, I think he's saying it specifically as like a, That's what the U.S.
is doing.
That's what they wanted.
They complained when he wanted to get our troops out, and that's what we're there for.
ian crossland
The oil and the poppy seeds, basically.
In Afghanistan.
tim pool
Can't we grow poppy here?
I don't know.
Lemon poppy muffins are fantastic.
ian crossland
They're delicious.
Other than oil and poppy seeds, I don't know why we're over there.
tim pool
All right, well, we got a bunch of super chats, but I got a question.
What do you think's gonna happen November 3rd?
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, I think Trump's gonna win.
Easy.
tim pool
But you don't think they're cheating?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, I mean, that's possible, but I also thought they were going to cheat in 2016 and he still won.
tim pool
Yeah, but look at all this mail-in voting stuff.
It does feel like they're cheating.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, you're with me on election night.
I think I won the office pool because everybody went for Hillary and I'm the one person over there.
I walked in and they were all like, you're going to have such a bad night tonight.
I'm so sorry.
All condescending.
tim pool
And I was laughing.
I was laughing.
I didn't vote for Trump.
I didn't care.
I was just like, comeuppance.
Because I was for Bernie.
And before you were for Trump, you were for Bernie.
And so when... I think Bernie sold out as of recent.
But when they stole it from him, and then I was just like, you know what?
I'm so over this.
Obama, you know, tricked me.
I felt duped by that.
Then Bernie comes along and I'm like, alright, here's a guy who's consistent.
And then he's doing the same thing.
The DNC steals it.
When Hillary lost, I was just loving it.
I was laughing.
cassandra fairbanks
They sent me home.
They were like, you can go.
Just go.
I was supposed to work until 3am.
So I took the pot money, like the office pool money, and went and bought up all the champagne at Trump Hotel just to spend their money on it.
tim pool
I remember sitting there with you and we were looking at the meter that was like 99% for Hillary and it was slowly shifting and you were like, you were starting to cry once it crossed 50% and I started laughing.
I'm like, How is this happening?
And then I remember like everyone in the office like all these liberals were glow like in the beginning
They were like being sassy and mocking Trump and laughing like because Trump announced like they announced he was
gonna sue Nevada or something And there was that one guy goes like oh here it comes and
they're all laughing and that And then when that New York Times meter started shifting
towards Trump, the looks on their faces, their faces go white.
All of a sudden there are people that are sweating.
You're like almost laughing and crying tears of joy.
I'm just laughing.
All these people are like crying about it.
Like dude, why is your identity tied so much to this?
I don't understand.
This world is so beautiful and vast.
ian crossland
You can do so much without politics.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
I think it's pretty important this year.
tim pool
I agree.
I'm just saying like, I tell you what, if Trump loses, this is why I'm in the middle of nowhere.
I'm gonna take care of myself.
It's funny because I'm like bordering on prepper.
I got all this emergency food.
To be honest, it's like hamburger helper kind of stuff.
It's good stuff, yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
They sell pepper food at my country store, at the country store by my house.
It's like the closest place to my house because I'm really deep out there.
tim pool
Spam lasts for five years.
Yeah, luncheon meat.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm vegetarian.
I gotta do vegetarian prepping.
ian crossland
Well, it's like chickpeas.
Let's see how long they last.
tim pool
I'm not saying I think the world's going to end tomorrow.
I'm just saying I think if Joe Biden wins, the erosion of civil liberties, the loss of ability to defend yourself, I think it's going to shift dramatically away from individual rights towards mob justice, morality policing, and identitarianism.
So for me, you know, I think I just want to be left alone.
I want to live my life.
I want to do my thing.
That's who I am.
I'm a skateboarder.
Skateboarders are individualists for the most part.
We do our thing.
Just please let me live my life.
And I think a lot of Americans feel that way.
If Joe Biden wins, you will get the opposite of that.
This guy who got indicted for defending himself from being attacked, the homeowners who are getting arrested, the mob will show up to your house and Joe Biden's going to be like, you know, the thing.
unidentified
So when, uh, so I'll address this one more time.
Sure.
tim pool
Then we'll jump over to super chats to get people's comments and questions.
You mentioned this is Trump's America.
What's happening right now.
It is, but these things, these things are happening in Democrat controlled places for
the most part, not Republican controlled places.
It is Trump's America, but Trump is taking a hard stance against it and offering up all
of the resources at his disposal to shut it down.
It's the best he can do without the Insurrection Act.
The Democrats are saying no and watching everything burn.
Here's what scares me.
If Joe Biden gets in, you think he'll offer up federal resources?
No, he'll do what the Democrats are doing.
He'll say the exact same thing they're saying.
We support peaceful protests.
That's right.
Congratulations.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
You covered Ferguson, same as I did.
They sent in the National Guard and then everybody to shut that down.
That was Obama who did that, and they didn't cry about it the way that they are with Trump.
I think they'll do the same thing.
tim pool
If that's the case, then I will double down on voting for Trump because I do not vote based on threats.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
If the argument is that once they get in power, then they'll agree to stop the riots, then I'm going to say F you and I'm going to go vote for Trump.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
And I think they've been doing that.
I mean, look what they did with Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
tim pool
They were like... Yeah, we're going to burn it down.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, Joe Biden's trying so hard to get away from the riots.
He's like begging, I'm not about riots, I'm not about riots.
And then Ruth Bader Ginsburg passes and all of a sudden all these leftists are like, we're going to destroy the country.
And now Trump's going to have all of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
of it. And then they, and they still, they're going out and rioting again. So I do, I do think it's dumb when Trump
says in Biden's America, this will happen. And I'm like, but it's
happening now.
Yeah, that's my point. But But I think it's, I think it's fair. There's a possibility
that once the Democrats get power, like Hillary Clinton said,
remember, we can have civility once we've won. That's a threat.
You come to me and tell me to like, it's like this, if I'm sitting down and you come to me and go, if I'm sitting down and you walk up to me and say, keep sitting there, I'll stand up.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
You tell me to, if I'm sitting down, you tell me to stand up, I'll say no and I'll cross my legs.
cassandra fairbanks
You know me, I'm a hermit.
I do not like going out.
I don't like leaving my house.
I like to be at home doing nothing.
But then as soon as I had to stay home and couldn't leave my house, I was like, I need to go to a bar.
So same.
tim pool
Let's take some Super Chats.
I went a little bit long into 10, just because we had that first 20 minutes of everything was broken.
And so I'm like, we'll keep going.
Hopefully it's working now.
I guess it's working, right?
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
Hopefully!
ian crossland
Yeah, chat seems to be happy.
tim pool
We'll read some of the Super Chats.
There's probably going to be a lot that are saying it's broken or whatever.
The first super chat we have from Matthew Heman says, Cassandra is great on camera and changed my mind on Assange and Snowden.
Both must be pardoned.
Non-political question.
What are your thoughts on Microsoft buying Bethesda?
Will you buy an Xbox Series X?
No, and I'm really sad about Bethesda because I feel like the past few games have been kind of... meh.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, actually, I mean, I'm really excited for the new Elder Scrolls.
ian crossland
This is the first I've heard of this.
tim pool
I didn't know it was gonna happen either.
ian crossland
Wow.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I haven't been keeping up on that at all.
I've been counting down for Cyberpunk.
That's the only video game news I've been paying attention to.
ian crossland
Corporate conglomeration makes me a little nervous because you don't need a lot of money to make a great game, but Fallout 76 sucked.
Yeah, it did.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Colin P says, YouTube sent David Pakman a cake for reaching 1 million subs.
Why didn't you get a cake, Tim?
Cake-gate.
I didn't get a cake.
I didn't get one of those big golden award things.
And my second channel is like 50k subs away from another million, so... They'll send you a cake.
You know what?
Congrats to David Pakman.
He does hard work and he's got a great show.
cassandra fairbanks
I'll bring you over a cake.
tim pool
I don't want to eat cake, man.
ian crossland
Shout out to David Pakman.
How'd you get that cake, man?
tim pool
To David?
Yeah.
ian crossland
I gotta be honest.
tim pool
What kind of cake was it?
They could send me a nice array of flavored meats.
We had the exotic jerky for the show for a while.
We don't have it here now, but we have alligator and ostrich and stuff.
So if YouTube wants to send me some ostrich jerky or kangaroo or something...
cassandra fairbanks
Don't eat kangaroos.
They're so cute.
They carry their babies around.
You're terrible.
tim pool
We have vegan jerky.
cassandra fairbanks
I love vegan jerky.
I'll eat primal strips all day.
tim pool
The mushroom one is really good.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, he likes it.
tim pool
Here we go, we got some more here.
Sixumpertieranus says, Dem's rhetoric is pushing civil war.
Don't pop that cork, for there won't be any ROEs for you to hide behind from men like me.
We will defend our family, country, and freedom to the death from anyone.
I gotta say, man, I think conservatives really do overestimate their ability to win a civil war.
cassandra fairbanks
I was very confident about three months ago and now I'm very concerned because the police keep following orders to arrest business owners and people in their own homes and it's like The right always says the police and the military will side with us, but they're not.
And it just depends on if they're in a Democrat city or Republican city.
tim pool
And what happens when all the tech infrastructure shuts down for all the conservatives?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
What happens when every single TV in the country, they go on the air and it's Joe Biden giving an address saying Donald Trump has lost the election and is now trying to stage a coup when in fact Trump won?
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
People are going to be like, Biden won.
He said it.
I believe it.
And that's it.
ian crossland
Get your ham radios now, ladies and gentlemen.
cassandra fairbanks
I think out here we could hold our own for a while.
I mean, they talk about Antifa coming into my neighborhood at the country store and stuff.
And they're like, we're waiting.
We're ready.
We're locked and loaded.
unidentified
No, they wouldn't, but... We should all avoid Civil War America.
ian crossland
It could go on for like 12 years.
It could be the most destructive, bloody devastation.
tim pool
It could be permanent.
ian crossland
And then another country could come in and take over our country in the middle of it, like China.
cassandra fairbanks
I wouldn't be opposed to a peaceful separation, though.
tim pool
I think it's a bad idea.
I think just because we have... You know the progressives make up like 8-10% of the country.
You have regular liberals who aren't paying attention.
I swear, man.
I've mentioned this several times, but I had a two-hour conversation with a friend of mine who's very progressive.
And we were talking about, you know, she doesn't want to vote for Biden because she hates him,
but she won't vote for Trump. And I said, I'm going to vote for Trump.
And then she mentioned something about he's inciting the violence. He's making it worse.
And she said, look at Kyle Rittenhouse, a white supremacist who like goes to this place to like
cassandra fairbanks
kill peaceful protesters. And I was like, no, no, no suspended from Twitter for saying that
he did nothing wrong. And he's not been been convicted of a crime. We're screwed. Right. So, so
tim pool
here, exactly. That's, that's, that's my point. I was like, people like my friend don't
know. They haven't seen the videos.
They haven't looked at the evidence, but the progressives are manipulating them. Yeah. And
the progressives are a tiny fraction. We cannot give up New York simply because progressives
are manipulating the media. And I think maybe they're probably thinking the same thing about
Biden, but if there's a Trump landslide on par with Reagan, just like, you know, 49 states
or whatever, maybe that'll finally shock all of these businesses.
Hey, you're going to lose money.
You're going to shut down.
You can't do this.
The problem is how many of the cultists work within these companies already and can use existing law against them.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Equal civil rights law exists and can be weaponized.
We got a super chat here from DJ Zeno.
He says, Holy crap, Tim.
I feel your frustration with the tech.
Legit watching your concentration face made me think of myself running the entirety of the assemblies of my high school.
2000 kids.
Name's Gavin.
I work in SMT in Seattle.
Use this for cables.
We'll get it fixed.
It is what it is.
These things happen.
ian crossland
Thanks, Gavin.
tim pool
How awesome was that?
It's a sad story, man.
I'd rather watch Troubleshoot. How awesome was that?
William Mazak says as much as the Trump supporter in Portland should have let everyone know how f
Should have known how f this is Jake Gardner is my last stand never forget Jake Gardner. It's a sad story, man
It's terrible. Keckman says here's some money. So your business succeeds if you can
In any way possible, tell Joe to have Trump.
No matter if Joe buy, then doesn't show up.
Trump must show.
Also, I used to be a teacher and not all are leftists, radicals.
Some want to teach the right way, but they are trying to stop us.
Yeah, I think that's probably true.
ian crossland
You guys think Rogan will have Trump on?
Have you talked to him about it at all?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
You should definitely push that.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm not.
tim pool
I'm never.
I'm not gonna.
ian crossland
Don't do that for real.
But Joe, have him on, man.
That's going to be the bombest.
cassandra fairbanks
Absolutely.
They mentioned teachers.
Did you hear about the school teacher who got suspended?
I believe he got suspended or fired.
for assigning a homework paper where they had to pick a hero,
and one of the options was Kyle Rittenhouse. The others were like George Floyd, his-
tim pool
Right, exactly.
Yeah, it was both, it was like, it was, you know, there was a political divide here.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, you can't even have a debate in your classroom anymore.
tim pool
Nope.
cassandra fairbanks
It's one side, and that's it.
tim pool
And then there wasn't, wasn't, didn't a teacher say she wished Trump supporters would all die of COVID or something and they got suspended?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
It happens sometimes to these leftists, but the, the problem, as I mentioned with like the valve that it only ratchets towards the left is that they have to make a big leap before it shocks the system.
And so long as they keep clicking one at a time, it just keeps getting worse and they get away with it.
To the point where like Antifa can go around and the media won't talk about it.
Like they go around beating people and starting fires and they're the good guys.
cassandra fairbanks
And the news cycle moves so fast.
I mean, Jessica Whitaker was murdered for saying, All Lives Matter, and we only talked about her for two weeks.
Oh, that's right.
And everybody moved on, because the news cycle just, you can't keep up.
tim pool
It's not even that.
The mainstream media didn't care about her.
cassandra fairbanks
That's true.
tim pool
So, for those that aren't familiar, she said, All Lives Matter.
Someone said, Black Lives Matter.
They shot and killed her.
And they were walking away.
Yeah.
Where was that?
She was a young mom.
New York Times will talk about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Fox News barely even mentioned it.
ian crossland
When was that and where was that?
cassandra fairbanks
It was in India, Indianapolis.
A month ago?
No, Indianapolis.
I have aligners in and it's really hard to talk.
ian crossland
You just got your wisdom teeth out?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, I got them out a while ago, but it made my teeth shift.
So I finally caved and got like the clear braces and I can't speak properly.
ian crossland
How long will you wear them?
cassandra fairbanks
12 weeks and tomorrow will be five weeks.
ian crossland
Has it altered your diet at all?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, because it's pain to take them out and put them back in and brush your teeth and do the whole thing, so.
ian crossland
Just eat less or something?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
Gonna lose some weight, hopefully.
It's like it's twofer.
tim pool
So we have a self-defense post here.
Bear Post says, please give half to charity.
Legally, you have to save your own life and retreat.
The bedroom door locked is fine.
They break in, you shoot.
I'm sure there might be different things for different states.
And also, if you haven't already, smash the like button and subscribe.
And you want to mention your Twitter handle real quick?
cassandra fairbanks
It's Cassandra Rules, and I write for Gateway Pundit, and I have a website, District Herald, that I'm going to start using a little more frequently.
tim pool
And we're gonna be hanging out a lot more because now we're far away, but closer than we were before.
And you know, I wish I could pan one of the cameras to show you like the ladder.
ian crossland
Go on Tim's Instagram because he has a shot of the, not of the chaos over there, but a nice, nice wide view of the- We're building it.
tim pool
Tomorrow we'll get all the sound working properly.
I guess we're okay for now.
cassandra fairbanks
Hopefully, I mean I can't believe you guys got this done as quickly as you did I was over here, and it was just like a plain room.
tim pool
It was an empty room Yeah, yeah, and like I'm so surprised the walls were just regular walls And that's really cool like wood or whatever and you can't see what's behind me, but it's really amazing stuff I'm so impressed.
It was it was it was Andy.
This is another guy who did all the work He's one guy did all this in a day.
It's like he's talking about skilled man, and he's a drummer Yeah, rock on DeWeed says, this year has definitely strengthened our 2A rights guaranteed.
I absolutely think that's the case.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Another other man says, I'm not going to foolishly believe they are stupid.
You know these people are in it to watch the world burn.
If Trump gets in, they have carte blanche permission to openly rebel considering how they started, how they, how they stacked the deck.
Yeah.
Somebody mentioned there's a 4,000 Hz hum in the background.
At 9.
So it's probably still there.
What can we do about it?
Oh.
You notice anything?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Take three.
Tylenol says, fastest move.
unidentified
Ha.
tim pool
I out-processed, deep-cleaned, and moved out of on-base housing over three days.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They declared a state of emergency preemptively because they have an announcement coming up in the Breonna Taylor case.
have been closed and the LMPD has canceled all days of and already blocking roads off.
cassandra fairbanks
They declared a state of emergency preemptively because they have an announcement coming up in
the Breonna Taylor case. I was tweeting about this right before I came over here.
tim pool
What's the break? What's the, you know, that's gonna be?
cassandra fairbanks
But if they're doing this, yeah.
tim pool
Information came out that apparently Brianna was connected to the drug dealer.
Is that, did you see that?
cassandra fairbanks
I saw bits of it, but I've been, I'm all over the place lately.
tim pool
Rubitano says, I don't know about there, but here in Minnesota, duty to retreat dictates you must retreat if safe to do so.
If you are at a door with family or friends inside, you do not have to retreat from that position because it could put them in danger.
Interesting.
JMAC says it's not Trump's America.
It's America's America.
We live in a republic and the citizens of these states need to make a change.
Either vote out these toxic politicians or make enough noise so they are forced to listen.
Keep the Fed in check.
Well, the left, I think, wants to totally federalize.
They want to just erode the concept of the state.
They want national popular vote voting, which then means this massive country of 50 different states will be beholden to Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
That's not going to be fun.
ian crossland
No, that'd be mob rule because you can make an internet video that goes viral and then everyone would vote for it the next day.
It'd be crazy.
tim pool
That's why people, they don't realize the states vote for the president.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
They don't like it.
They don't understand how it works, and I think a lot of them are just dumb and just do whatever they're told, basically.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I've had a lot of democracy versus republic debates in the past couple days.
ian crossland
I used to be a hardcore, like, true democracy, like, majority vote.
Yeah.
And then I realized how dangerous.
cassandra fairbanks
One person, one vote.
tim pool
No, I'm not.
cassandra fairbanks
That was the motto.
No, I am not either.
Trust me.
ian crossland
But the representatives sometimes can be such morons.
So it's like how that's like they're in there for years.
If you make the wrong move, they're in there for two years.
I mean, you can get them out, I guess, with a referendum, right?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't think that people, I don't think voters take voting seriously enough.
I think it was Socrates who said that voting was a skill and it had to be learned and you had to study and really understand your civic duty and your options.
And I don't think people do that anymore.
They just like see a meme and they're like, Oh, orange man bad.
Or, Oh, Biden is actually the real KKK or whatever.
You know, it's, it's, people have very like, petulant political views now.
tim pool
I bet.
cassandra fairbanks
And it's dangerous.
ian crossland
It would be very cool to have in schools, like in first, second, third grade, little
vote where they vote for a representative of their family.
cassandra fairbanks
We did that.
I did that in second grade.
Oh yeah.
tim pool
It was great.
And there's model UN and there's class president.
And they, you know, I was talking to a family member once.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't think they do that anymore, by the way.
tim pool
Probably not.
cassandra fairbanks
They didn't do it for my daughter.
tim pool
So I was talking to, I was out to eat with some extended family.
It was a cousin of mine and her entire family.
And they were like, you're doing news.
It's really awesome.
Congratulations.
It was years ago.
And their daughter who was like, you know, 13 or 14 was just like not paying attention.
And they made a joke about how she didn't care about news.
And I was like, I can make her understand and care about news.
And they laughed, and she was like, no, you can't.
And I was like, I'll put it this way.
I was like, think of, like, you're in high school now, yeah?
And she's like, yeah.
And I'm like, who's, like, the worst person you know in school?
And she was like, uh, and then she, like, said a name.
And I was like, okay, now imagine the school came and told them they get to make the rules for you.
And she went, And I was like, that's politics.
So we're all adults and there's these really awful people we know and they're making the rules for us.
And we're like, oh, just like you just did.
And she was like, oh, and I'm like, so that same way you care about like the people in your class
and how they mess with you and like lie about you.
Imagine like we feel the same way about the people in our class, but our class is like our jobs
and our, and our, and our local council meetings and stuff like that.
ian crossland
You'd be a good dad.
tim pool
And...
Like it was a good, she got it.
And I'm like, you're not going to care that I'm talking about war, but you
understand the concept of someone being given power at your school.
It was like a really bad person.
And there you go.
Welcome to politics.
When you're older, you'll be looking at it the exact same way, but it'll
be different subject matter.
We've got a question for Cassandra.
Crescent says, question Cassandra Fairbanks.
If Tulsi Gabbard is anti-war, why does she endorse Joe Biden?
Conversely, why hasn't she praised president Trump for peace deals, not
starting any new wars and withdrawing troops?
cassandra fairbanks
I think she has, hasn't she?
tim pool
Bye!
Uh, I, she may have, I'm not entirely sure.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
I, I want to say that she has praised Trump when he's been, when he's done things.
Oh yeah.
tim pool
She, she voted in favor of his move.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
And everybody was losing their minds because she sided with Trump.
She also went on TV, I think it was MSNBC, too, the day that Julian Assange was arrested and lobbied for him to be immediately released.
She really goes against the grain.
They lost out.
She's awesome.
tim pool
Because I think she understands what regular, if they listened to her, she, I think in a lot of ways, she's, she's
not exactly what I've envisioned for the perfect candidate.
Right.
I think if you took Donald Trump and you toned it down, cleaned it up, then you would have a landslide no matter what.
No one could stop him.
And I think Trump supporters need to heed this warning because Trump really does put his foot in his mouth a lot.
And regular people, as much as they like what he does, do complain about his constant behavior and his insults and the attacks and the mudslinging.
cassandra fairbanks
Those are my favorite parts.
tim pool
That's why Trump has the really hardcore vocal bass, where they love that he goes after and he's basically fighting for you.
But there are a lot of people, probably the silent majority, who won't speak up and defend him because deep down they're like, ugh, I can't believe he's doing it again, but I'll take it!
I'll take what I can get, you know?
ian crossland
That's exactly in my boat, yeah.
Because when he says stuff like, if you burn the flag, you should get a year in prison, that stuff makes me not want to vote for him.
Makes me dislike him and think he's, like, ignorant.
But I still can't vote for Biden.
I can't imagine a world with that guy.
tim pool
My favorite analogy was a Bridget Phetasy's article where someone sent her an email saying, I feel like I'm drowning.
And in order to stay afloat, I have to grab onto this giant floating turd.
And I know Trump supporters don't feel that way because Trump, like to his base, he really is like the perfect candidate in a lot of ways.
I don't necessarily agree, because I think the Middle Eastern peace deals and withdrawing troops is not a floating turret, it's like a floating cupcake.
It's like drowning and seeing a lifeboat, and I'm going, yes!
And the lifeboat has weird, crazy, like 80s style tiger print, and it's weird looking, and I'm like, I don't care!
I don't care!
It's a life raft!
If it ends the wars, if it gets our troops back, count me in.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I mean, like I've said, I'm really unhappy with what he's doing with Julian,
but at the same time, I don't have that many complaints about him either.
And you gotta think about America first.
So yeah, I...
tim pool
Yup.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't hate him.
I want to be madder than I am about a lot of things, and it's just like, man, he's bringing troops home.
tim pool
I don't understand how there is a counter to the idea of America first, like it's a bad thing.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm not a staunch nationalist.
Have you guys taken the eight values test?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You have?
Yeah.
I'm in the middle.
I'm very in the middle between international and national because I believe in international cooperation, working with our allies.
But the idea that we as taxpaying citizens would be beholden to other people before ourselves is ridiculous.
We've never fixed the pipes in Flint.
Certainly we as a wealthy nation could figure out how to spend a tiny amount of money relative to our GDP to fix those pipes.
There are rich people who are fighting and paying to get it all taken care of, but we've successfully been in war for two decades.
cassandra fairbanks
We can't fix our own roads and bridges? That's how Trump won me over. I remember the exact moment
and I'd hung out with Noam Chomsky that day in Boston, which is ironic as heck, but I read a
quote from him and he said, we're building schools in Iraq and it gets blown up and we build another
one and it gets blown up and we can't build a school in Brooklyn.
At what point do we say we need to focus on America first?
And I was like, that.
You nailed it.
I'm voting for you.
I bought a Trump hat, and I was like, we're done here.
You're my candidate.
tim pool
You know what it was for me?
I was just like, I'm not getting fooled again.
In 2016, I'm like, you can say what you want, I don't care.
Obama owes all the hope and change now.
But then, even though I said I didn't want to vote for Trump, he started doing things that made me want to vote for him.
Like, Middle Eastern peace deals.
He could go on Fifth Avenue and start saying every possible insult to every person walking by him.
He can call them all fat pigs.
He can spin on the ground and stomp around and scream.
And if he gets Middle Eastern peace, I'm going to be like, that's my president.
cassandra fairbanks
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Yep.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, North Korea wasn't anything to sneeze at either.
Like, he's done some good work.
That was amazing.
ian crossland
He was so nice to him.
tim pool
That reminds me of... I made a post today.
It's really sad.
Someone tagged me on Facebook.
They said, remember what Vice used to be?
Vice Media?
Because now it's all just, you know, hardcore.
And someone tagged me in it, and the comment was from someone saying their North Korea coverage was incredible.
And I actually field-produced the North Korean Motorcycle Diaries.
I didn't go to North Korea.
I went to New Zealand and interviewed these people who had driven their motorcycles from North through South Korea.
Those were the days.
Those were the days when you could talk about this effort to go, like what they did, I think was a really great thing.
But people were critical, to an extent, because they were like, it's propaganda for the North.
But for the most part, we could have that conversation.
Under Donald Trump, he walked into North Korea with no security in a dramatic and incredible symbol of trust with the North Koreans.
They could have snatched him up and ran away with him.
But Trump walked in with no security and they walked back.
And that is the first thing we need.
We need a chance.
We need trust.
And they attacked him for it.
And they still do.
And I'm just like, you people are insane.
It's another effort to show we can trust each other.
Because right now, they're pointing guns at each other.
Trump walking over there, unarmed, no security.
He's saying, we're not fighting.
I trust you.
And they smiled and they walked him back.
What does the media do?
Insult him all day and night.
There won't be peace if the media keeps doing this.
cassandra fairbanks
That's how they make money though.
tim pool
I know.
cassandra fairbanks
They're getting crazy traffic right now.
Yep.
tim pool
We'll do a couple more Super Chats, but make sure you follow me on Twitter and Instagram and Parler at TimCast.
Check out my other YouTube channels.
That's youtube.com slash TimCast slash TimCastNews.
This channel is IRL, and we have the podcast up on all podcast platforms.
You can follow Ian.
ian crossland
Yeah, follow me on Instagram, on Twitter, and on Mines, and Twitch.tv slash Ian Crossland.
tim pool
So, at Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Yeah, just at Ian Crossland everywhere.
tim pool
At Cassandra Rules, and that's C-A-S-S-A-N-D-R-A, right?
Yep.
I sometimes put an O in there and I'm like, do I know how you spell Cassandra's name?
ian crossland
And that's like a double entendre.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, it's because you pronounce it right at least.
Most people don't pronounce it right.
ian crossland
It's Cassandra, your rules, and you rule.
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, yeah.
There was some inside joke when I made it, but it was eight years ago or something, and it's not relevant to today.
tim pool
Well, I have to say, I have to interject, we do have a camera for Lydia, but her microphone didn't work, so you can follow at Sour Patch Lids as well, Sour Patch L-Y-D-S, because she's here still producing, but the mics and the cameras, you know, whatever.
So we'll get it all fixed by next time.
We're gonna be back at the original studio again tomorrow.
And I don't think I'm going to announce who's coming on anymore because we've had two cancellations and I just feel bad for letting people down.
So we'll just have magical people show up and we'll hang out.
cassandra fairbanks
You can just call me whenever and I'll swing by with some pizza.
tim pool
Yeah, you should definitely come down.
I mean, you write tons of stories, you know so much about what's going on.
Just come on by and we'll have you here all the time.
So let's just take a couple more Super Chats then.
And also make sure to subscribe, smash the like button.
Nick Lintz says, how many times do we need to see swamp creatures telling lies today that contradict their past lies?
Term limits!
Why doesn't Trump make this an issue?
Majority of both parties support.
Doesn't he?
Didn't Trump say term limits?
cassandra fairbanks
I think he did.
It's been off.
Like, I haven't heard any talk about it.
ian crossland
That was part of his big announcement of like 20 points or something.
tim pool
Elias the Aquanaut says, Tim, please tell my friend Casey why you were voting Trump as true liberal this year.
Love you, man.
Three historic peace agreements.
Kosovo, Serbia, Bahrain, Israel, UAE, Israel.
I gotta say, man, the idea that these Arabic nations would recognize the existence of Israel is profound.
It's incredible.
Normalized relations, trade, this is how you begin the process of peace and stabilization in the Middle East.
Will it hold forever?
I don't know.
I hope so.
Man, he gets all of my, you know, like buttons and all that for all that stuff, calling out the riots, trying to stop the riots.
That's big.
Whether or not he's been successful, he's the only one standing up against them, while the Democrats, while Joe Biden's staff literally bailed these people out, while Kamala Harris solicited donations for these people.
And I think, look, There is an element of Joe Biden is really, really dangerous.
He reads a teleprompter.
He doesn't speak for himself.
I have no idea what he's all about or what he wants.
Kamala Harris is insane.
Kept people in prison beyond their terms for cheap labor because they didn't want to let him out because they needed someone to fight wildfires.
I think that's what it was, right?
That's like, that's slavery.
That's like, we could, I think they were eligible for parole and they're like, but wait, don't let him out because then who will fight the fires for a dollar an hour?
Yeah, and she's running for office right now, so no.
ian crossland
Dude, when she was up against Biden, it was like, it was a debate!
She just trashed him in the Democratic primaries, and now she's just smiling and acting like his friend.
tim pool
They're just all so awful.
Look, Trump is no saint.
But I think I can put it this way.
On paper, we had a great economy.
I don't trust Joe Biden to fix the economy.
I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.
Trump is best equipped to fix the economy and he's ending all these wars,
like, or he's ending the wars in the Middle East, bringing our troops back and they're resisting him.
You know what, man, I'll take what I can get.
I think what Trump is doing in these capacities are good things.
I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.
Part of me is voting against Biden, identitarianism, and this establishment.
Like Joe Biden represents the establishment of 47 years that created the systemic race
and these people are complaining about.
Trump's been in office for 3.7 years or not.
I mean, you know, something like that, like not even four years.
And they're blaming him for all this stuff.
No, look, I'll tell you what, man.
At the very least, there's one simple thing.
Trump is not the establishment.
If he wins again, it will crush and end the establishment.
And then After that, there will be, hopefully, real populist candidates, a new system where people actually are paying attention, and the old guard will finally be gone.
This is their last-ditch effort, Joe Biden.
It's the best they could muster.
Let him lose.
Let them walk off into the sunset and walk slowly and blissfully into the ocean and just walk deeper and deeper and then be gone from the rest of us.
And then we'll find out ways to move past Trump.
But I can't believe people predicate their entire identities on Trump as if We need better technology.
ian crossland
I mean, candidates aside, we need like a technological revolution.
Because riding on oil and wiring is not sustainable for much longer.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
Geothermal.
ian crossland
We got vision, fusion, graphing.
tim pool
We'll take one more.
It's for you, Cassandra.
Question for Cassandra.
From my understanding, you know Michelle Malkin.
Do you think it was wrong for her to be fired by YAF, exiled politically, for refusing condemning Nick Fuentes?
cassandra fairbanks
Absolutely.
tim pool
What happened with that?
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
I don't know the whole story.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Well, we don't have too much time, so.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, basically, Nick Fuentes, controversial right-wing podcaster, I guess he's on DLive now, not YouTube, but he's very populist, nationalist, America first, but he's controversial.
He's made some controversial statements.
Michelle refused to disavow him, said that she didn't want to disavow anybody.
She didn't want to disavow anybody who puts America first or aligns with her on her core
issues which are immigration and America first nationalist populist ideology.
And so the young, what are they called, YAF and all these people, they ditched her as
a speaker.
She'd been speaking there for years.
And they were basically like, you're not disavowing this person.
So you're bad.
You're canceled by, and then they hold like cancel con and all these festivals, like pretending that they're against cancel culture, but they don't put their money where their mouth is.
And I adore Michelle Malkin and I will stand with her every day.
ian crossland
Is there really a thing called cancel con?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, it was really bad.
It was like a live stream thing.
You didn't miss anything.
tim pool
Um, Well, oh, there you go, I guess.
That was the last question we'll take, I guess, because we have to now drive for several hours back to Philadelphia.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yep.
But then we're gonna come back, and the next time, we're like 90... I would say, based on where we're at so far, it sounds like we're really close to getting everything done.
We just need someone to spend a day now troubleshooting, and I thought we were good, but it was yikes up until the last minute.
Once again, make sure you subscribe, hit the like button, hit the notification bell.
The show is live Monday through Friday at 8pm.
Tomorrow we'll be live.
This time with no problems because we'll be in the original studio.
Unless some weird thing happens and all of a sudden that studio breaks.
I have no idea.
ian crossland
And there will be kitties.
tim pool
The cats.
But then the cats are coming here.
And I don't think we're gonna allow the cats into the studio though.
It's really funny when the cats jump up on the tables.
Do you think we should keep the cats?
cassandra fairbanks
I'm pretty down with her cats.
tim pool
It's usually Bucko, he just jumps up on the table and tries to steal people's water.
And then you're like fighting with a jar while you're trying to talk.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, you gotta bring out the cats when you have a really important thing that you want people to hear.
It's like Banksy said.
Banksy painted a cat on a wall in the middle of all this devastation and destruction and everybody's like, why did you paint that cat?
I have it tattooed on me.
He was like, because people on the internet only look at cats and porn or something like that.
And so he painted a cat so people would listen.
And I think it's a good strategy to have some cats roaming around.
tim pool
Sounds good.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We'll let them do their thing.
All right then.
Well, Cassandra, thanks for hanging out.
cassandra fairbanks
Thanks for having me.
Sorry for rambling.
unidentified
No way, man.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
tim pool
So, the next time, you know, you come over.
Like, usually what I try to do is have, like, a bunch of stories from the day that we, like, go through.
But we were so just, like, everything was broken.
I was like, just press record.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Just go live.
We'll just talk.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Whatever.
So, but the next time we'll just, like, we'll talk about your stories more, and we'll, like, go through segments and stuff, and, uh, and then by then Lydia will have a working mic and camera, uh, working, you know, so you'll be able to hear her again, and we'll get through all the issues, but, uh, thanks for hanging out, everybody.
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