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Aug. 31, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump DEFENDS The Kenosha Kid, Press Lies And Feigns Outrage, Trump Liked MY Tweet
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tim pool
Right now, if you go to Donald Trump's Twitter account and you look at his liked
tweets. I think I actually have it pulled up right here.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's one.
And it's mine.
And it's a thread I wrote about why I wanted, one of the reasons, one of the big reasons Then I'm going to be voting for Trump.
And it has to do with Kyle Rittenhouse.
Earlier today, just a few hours ago, Donald Trump gave a press conference where he talked about Kyle Rittenhouse.
And he was asked about it.
He said, you know, we all saw the same videos.
It looked like he was being attacked.
And Trump said that the kid may have been killed if he didn't defend himself.
And, yes, that's even the New York Times.
Well, the New York Times didn't come out and say that much.
They didn't say that much, but they did say he was attacked first and someone else fired a gun first.
So, yes, he was being chased.
And, of course, the media is feigning outrage.
No matter what Trump says or does, he's wrong.
The funny thing is he posted this thread and all of these outlets that are highlighting it won't actually talk about what I said.
I find that really fascinating.
So, I know many of you were really excited we were going to have Kimberly Klasek on today, but she unfortunately had to cancel, so I wish her the best.
She's killing it out there.
She had that amazing viral ad, and I'm sure, for obvious reasons, she's very, very busy.
And she spoke at the RNC, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, she did.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
So, you know, these things happen, and maybe we'll figure something out and have her on at a future date, but I'm sure she's doing something rad nonetheless.
So we're just going to talk about what's going on with this press conference, and You know, Donald Trump liking my tweet and it being the only liked tweet on his page is funny because all of a sudden I'm getting hit up by like random people I've known for a long time.
They're like, yo, yo, hey, what's up?
I have your phone number.
And I'm just like, you know, the craziest thing about this is it's not just this tweet from Trump.
It's just in the past week or so, a bunch of people that I thought were like progressive anti-Trump Democrat are like whispering We love your show, man.
You're awesome.
Keep doing it.
unidentified
And I'm like, that's really weird because you post, like, weird SJW stuff and you're telling me, like, what I do.
tim pool
You're getting to them.
Or these people really are just, like, secret Trump voters.
I think it is just a little bit of everybody.
all the polls in 2016, I know we say this all the time, but I wonder if when we talk
about secret Trump voters, they keep saying it's non-college educated whites.
What if it's not?
What if it's just like a little bit of everybody?
lydia smith
I think it is just a little bit of everybody.
tim pool
People who pay attention?
Yeah, some of the messages I've gotten as of recent, I'm like, this person likes Trump?
Like what?
That's funny.
Because you work for a progressive company.
But hey man, there it is.
So anyway, we've got a bunch to talk about.
We've got this, and we've got some new details on what happened in Portland, and some other stories that are... We've got some satire to throw in the mix from the Babylon Bee, which is really, really good.
lydia smith
Of course.
Always good.
tim pool
We're just going to hang out and talk about all that stuff.
So make sure as you're tuning in, you smash the like button, because it really does help.
And subscribe, hit the like button, hit the notification bell.
YouTube makes it a chore to make sure you get all this content.
And today it's just me hanging out with Lydia.
lydia smith
Yep.
That's me.
I'm here.
I'm here.
I'm sorry.
I'm not Kimberly Klesik.
I'm sorry to disappoint everyone.
I wish she could have been here next time.
Hopefully we catch her when she's not so busy.
I know.
Everyone's mad at me.
tim pool
So right now, let's jump in.
I want to show you this first story from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and it's a really, really amazing piece of disinformation.
And I also want to go through a bunch of these fake news journalists smearing Kyle Rittenhouse.
It's insane, man.
So earlier today, as I mentioned, Donald Trump gave a press conference where he said, You know, this kid looked like he was being attacked and he may have been killed if he didn't do something.
This is what the story says from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
They say Trump mischaracterizes Kenosha protest shooting, defends Rittenhouse evening, uh, Rittenhouse evening before his visit to the city roiled by unrest and violence.
They say, the president also mischaracterized the incident in which Kyle Rittenhouse was accused of using an assault-style rifle.
Quote, that was an interesting situation.
You saw the same tape that I saw, Trump said Monday during a White House news conference.
He was trying to get away from them, I guess.
Looks like, and he fell, and they very violently attacked him, and it was something we're looking at right now and it's under investigation.
I guess he was in very big trouble.
He probably would have been killed, Trump added.
I think I want to say.
At the point of the evening, the president describes that he had already shot and killed one protester according to the charging documents and video footage.
Trump's latest comments at the stage for what could be a highly charged visit from the most powerful man in the world at a time when the community is still recovering from a week of shootings and unrest that left a black man paralyzed, two white protesters dead, and businesses looted and burned.
So here's the first question I have.
I think... I'm just so tired of saying it.
They don't have Google, do they?
lydia smith
I guess not.
tim pool
They don't have... They don't... Listen.
All too often, you've got three journalists on this.
Let me tell y'all a story.
I went to a thing called News Exchange once.
They flew me out to Morocco, and they had me up on a stage in front of, like, a thousand journalists watching.
And I looked around, and I was asked about, like, the state of journalism.
This was back in 2012, and I said, every single journalist should be fired.
Every single one of them.
Because they have no idea what they're doing tech-wise, they have no idea what they're doing security-wise, and there needs to be, like, a purge and a start over.
And that was in 2012!
lydia smith
Wow.
Have things improved, Tim?
tim pool
It's gotten way worse.
And they got, you know, they were mad.
Someone from CNN tried offering me a job and I was like... Are you joking?
lydia smith
Get out of here.
tim pool
And it's funny because it was like 2012 so I was like kind of broke and just they invited me there because I was doing this coverage.
But anyway, I bring this up because...
This story from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has three reporters.
Three reporters on this, and not a single person could have done a Google search over this.
lydia smith
Quantity.
tim pool
Come on, man.
Look, the people, all of you listening probably did a Google search and found more information than they did.
So is it intentional that they're lying?
Specifically when they say that Trump mischaracterized the incident, and the mischaracterization is they're saying at that point he actually had killed somebody, you see they're omitting context to what Trump is saying.
The New York Times has the story, I'm not sure, where did I put, there we go.
Check this out.
First shooting.
While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air.
Though it is unclear why, the weapon's muzzle flash appears in the footage filmed at the scene.
Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction.
Rittenhouse then fires four times and appears to shoot the man in the head.
You wanna know what's crazy about this?
lydia smith
What's that?
tim pool
Four times, they say.
The medical examiner said he was hit five times.
lydia smith
So, somebody else hit him.
tim pool
Actually, fact check me on that.
Can you pull that up?
lydia smith
I believe that's true.
I'll look it up, yeah.
tim pool
And one of the shots was in the back.
lydia smith
And so... Yeah, I remember you telling me about it.
tim pool
I tweeted about this.
I think the medical examiner said he was hit five times.
Make sure you can fact check me on that one because this is where it gets crazy.
The New York Times says he fires four times.
Okay, maybe he only did.
I asked this question on Twitter when I took a screenshot from the medical examiner's report and it said he was hit, you know, once in the back.
And so I was like, how did Kyle Rittenhouse turn towards him as he was lunging at him and hit him in the back?
lydia smith
Well, they said they saw another muzzle flash, so I'm assuming that somebody else was shooting as well.
tim pool
Well, what the New York Times is saying is the muzzle flash was fired into the air.
Could they be wrong about that?
I mean, it's far away.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's grainy.
tim pool
That'd be an amazing... If that person's firing a pistol from that range, like, they're... They hit him?
lydia smith
That's amazing.
tim pool
Yeah, they're good.
They're not out of fire.
It's possible.
I mean, I'm not a gun expert or anything.
But, my question was, how did he get hit in the back?
And some people said, if he was lunging and got hit and spun, it would have easily hit him in the back.
But, if they're saying... Did you find it?
lydia smith
No, I'm still looking.
tim pool
I think I have it on my Twitter, if you like, go through my Twitter, because I tweeted, I asked the question, I think I linked to it.
lydia smith
Yeah, but I could find it.
tim pool
Yeah, 5 volts.
You look that up and we'll keep talking about it.
So, anyway, the point is...
Trump didn't mischaracterize it.
The dude was being chased.
I'm on the New York Times.
Is the New York Times not credible enough?
And which reporting should I trust?
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that says Trump is lying, that omits most of the details of the incident, or the New York Times that does a detailed breakdown going through video after video?
I gotta admit, the New York Times, I think, did a really good job on this one.
So he turns toward the guy, and the guy lunges at him first.
Okay.
What do you think everybody else said?
All these woke journalists.
Oh man, I've lined up a bunch of tweets and I have too many.
Here's a guy, Daniel Dale says, asked about Kyle Rittenhouse, supporter accused of murder.
Trump says he's looking into it, but adds, that was an interesting situation.
He was trying to get away from them, looks like, and then they very violently attacked him.
He probably would have been killed.
I've actually seen a lot of people very critical of this tweet, but I honestly don't see anything wrong with it.
It's true.
Rittenhouse is accused of murder.
I mean, I would say that it looks like self-defense, but he was quite literally charged with it.
So this to me is kind of just, you know, neutral.
But a lot of people took issue because they want him to bring up the greater context, which I believe would be prudent to do.
He didn't do it, but I'm not going to rag on him for just giving us a kind of a bland quote from Trump.
However, the recount.
Trump not only refuses to condemn Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old who killed two protesters, he defends him.
They violently attacked him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it.
You know what?
I want to say something because I was reading this account.
Did you find the thing yet?
No?
It's on my Twitter.
Just scroll through it.
I was reading this account from a medic who was talking about the skateboard guy who got shot by the Kenosha kid and how she ran to him trying to render aid and that his girlfriend was screaming and I'm like, yeah, dude, this is like, this is horrifying.
I'm sad for the dude.
I don't want anybody to get hurt.
The dude with the skateboard should not have gotten shot.
But bro, you don't run at a dude with an AR laying on the ground and grab the barrel of the gun and try and pull on it.
lydia smith
That's suicidal.
tim pool
It really is.
Sure, the left is trying to claim this guy was a hero or whatever, but he hit him over the head with a skateboard.
To what degree, because I'll tell you this, I watched the video, and it doesn't look like he did a full swing bash, but at some point the skateboard comes in contact with the kid's head.
Then he tries grabbing the barrel of an AR.
I mean, dude.
At a certain point, like, you gotta back away, this kid's being chased.
This is the big problem with mob violence, is that, I've mentioned this, seeing it like, at the G20, I think it was the G20, where Luke Rutkowski got attacked.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Someone just pointed at him and screamed, Nazi, and then random people started beating him and he wasn't.
And so what happens if you're minding your own business and someone screams, that's the guy, and they start attacking you?
Then yeah, sure.
When they frame it like the skateboard dude was a hero, I guess in the context where he had no idea what was going on, and tried attacking a dude with a gun, sure, you could argue that.
But when you look in the bigger picture of things, where Kyle is being attacked and chased by a violent mob that was out destroying property, and that dude did not live in Kenosha either, I'm sorry, man.
It's not heroic to run up to a random guy you have no idea what's going on and try grabbing the barrel of a gun.
lydia smith
Well, USA Today was saying that the victim, Kenosha, might have been trying to save someone.
And honestly, I don't think it matters what he was trying to do if he was part of the mob that was chasing him.
tim pool
Which guy?
Rosenbaum?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That was the first guy who got hit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Another important thing, too, is the medical examiner report said he got a graze to the head, not a bullet through the head.
And I've seen a lot of people claiming that Rittenhouse shot a guy in the head, and that was the initial tweet that went out.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
People thought it was a hole in his head.
I even said the same thing.
lydia smith
Yeah, it looked like it.
tim pool
Medical examiner said it was a graze.
It was a graze.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
And that he actually died because I think it hit his internal organs.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Wow, I didn't know that.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
So a lot of these people have no idea what's going on.
And to be fair, look, I've got videos that I did at the time, which are inaccurate at this point.
Like, more information has come out, and I think that's why, you know, it's important to track.
You haven't been able to find it?
lydia smith
No, I'm still looking.
tim pool
On my Twitter thread?
Did you scroll down?
lydia smith
I did, yeah.
tim pool
Keep going, it's there somewhere.
lydia smith
I will, I will.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
Ryan Saavedra.
Quote tweeted this dude, Brian Ler... What is it?
La... Brian...
Cohen, whatever.
Oh, Brian Tyler Cohen, that's his name.
He said the ADL looked into Rittenhouse and found no indication from Rittenhouse's social media footprint that he is connected to any extremist movements.
The criminal complaint filed by authorities said that Rittenhouse was attacked while running away.
In which case... Oh, I actually have the article from the ADL.
This will be interesting.
They say, uh... Okay, no, this is just the CBS.
I'm not gonna read through the CBS article, because I think we've gone through the gist of it, but you get the idea.
The ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks extremist activity, told CBS News, there were militia members at the Kenosha protest, but found no indication from Rittenhouse's social media footprint that he is connected to any extremist movements.
His posts indicate he's an extremely pro-police, that he is extremely pro-police, and appears to have been a former police explorer, a career-oriented program for youth considering a career in law enforcement.
Many of his social media posts use the phrase, Blue Lives Matter.
lydia smith
Oh my.
According to the ADL, I'm assuming that the ADL thinks that's some kind of hate organization.
tim pool
If the ADL has gone that far as to say, like, we didn't find anything, there you go.
lydia smith
That's thorough.
tim pool
Yeah, that is thorough.
lydia smith
That's pretty good.
tim pool
The Anti-Defamation League has like a really broad view of what right-wing extremism is.
Like, anti-government anarchists are considered right-wing.
lydia smith
That's amazing to me.
tim pool
Yeah, so I guess, they call black supremacy left-wing?
lydia smith
Oh, you want to know what else they do?
When you go to their page and you're looking at everything they list as like hate speech or hate organization like dog whistles or something, they have an entire list of numbers and numbers in different sequences that they consider forms of hate speech.
I found it, by the way.
tim pool
Oh, you did find it?
lydia smith
Yeah, I did find it.
tim pool
Oh, okay, you have the article.
lydia smith
It says, serious question, how do you shoot someone in the front and the back at the same time?
tim pool
But the story's there, right?
lydia smith
You have a screenshot.
tim pool
There's no link?
lydia smith
No, just a screenshot.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
I forgot to link it?
lydia smith
What kind of journalist?
tim pool
Can you quote some of the text and then Google search it to find the article?
lydia smith
Yeah, for sure, I'll do that now.
tim pool
Because I'm pretty sure the dude got hit five times.
Yeah.
I could be wrong about that, so see what you can find.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, let me see.
tim pool
Here we got a, uh, this is where it gets fun.
We're just basically going through tweets from people who are lying about what happened.
lydia smith
It's great.
tim pool
So this is actually really funny.
White House has been given two chances to disavow murder committed Rittenhouse, the
first press secretary, now Trump, and has taken a pass full time.
So this is actually really funny.
I mentioned that Trump liked my Twitter thread, and I've gone through it a couple times, but
I'll give you the gist of it, because I think it's probably important for me to explain,
like, the point of what I was saying.
But Kayleigh McEnany was asked about it, and she said that Trump's intent was to highlight
information that many people probably didn't know.
And yes.
And then Trump was directly asked about it, and he said basically the same thing.
But the gist of my thread, because I think it's like, what, 11 tweets, is that it ends with me calling Trump an a-hole.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
But I'd rather vote for an a-hole than a coward.
And I think it's fascinating that Trump liked the threat.
I'm like, hey, alright.
I think Trump would find it funny.
Be like, alright, I'll take it.
I think he said something like that once, didn't he?
lydia smith
I think he did, yeah.
tim pool
He was like, I'm a mean guy, but I work for you.
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
So he probably laughed when he saw it.
But the general idea is...
I wrote, Kyle Rittenhouse is a good example of why I decided to vote for Trump.
Violent extremists were destroying people's lives for months.
30 people were killed.
Democrats rejected federal assistance every time Trump offered it.
Media lied about Trump deploying secret police.
Okay, so this is a very broad brush I posted here.
I didn't say anywhere in the tweet, I supported Kyle Rittenhouse.
Of course, that's an opinion, and they'll probably argue that because I'm just reporting what the New York Times said, that is support for or defense of.
What I should have said is that the Kyle Rittenhouse situation is a good reason.
You've got violent extremists.
Look, I said, you know, violent extremists are destroying people's lives.
Democrats won't accept Trump's help.
What I was trying to say is none of this should have happened.
The kids shouldn't have had to have been there.
lydia smith
Exactly.
He shouldn't have needed to be there.
tim pool
Right, and the police should have been out there.
They shouldn't have been trying to defund the police.
If the governor just accepted... First, I think the locals, the city council, whatever, asked for way more National Guard.
lydia smith
They did, yes, I recall.
tim pool
And the governor said no.
And Trump's repeatedly offered federal assistance, and they've all said no.
It shouldn't have happened.
Kyle should not have had to have been called by anybody to go out there.
I think it was foolish that he went out there.
Because, look man, I've been on the ground with these violent riots, I've seen what these people do, and that kid probably didn't understand the likelihood that he was going to pull the trigger was like 99.9%.
lydia smith
Yeah, well, he's a 17-year-old kid.
He's just kind of going out there to have fun.
Nothing's ever going to happen to a teen.
Nothing's ever going to happen.
Nothing's ever going to go wrong.
tim pool
Well, he had good intentions.
lydia smith
Right, for sure.
tim pool
But the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
lydia smith
Right, exactly.
tim pool
The problem is, where's the...
There's no way to call this one, right?
Do you just let violent extremists destroy your town?
These people weren't from there, by the way.
The Kenosha issued a statement saying out of 175 arrests, 102 were from outside the city.
And so was he, but he worked in Kenosha.
I'm sure some of them all were from outside the city, but had some reason to be familiar with the place.
But it's, you know, do you do nothing?
Do you just sit back and say, well, I guess I lose my business and my life, or do you say, I need help, the police aren't helping me?
And then, to what degree do we blame Kyle for being a 17-year-old kid who was asked by locals, can you help protect businesses?
And this kid loves cops, and he was probably like, dude, this is awesome, yeah.
And he was rendering aid to the rioters, even.
lydia smith
Right.
Well, he started the day by scrubbing off graffiti and cleaning the mess up in Kenosha.
And I don't know.
The only thing that I can come up with to say is that even if you do decide that you need to step in and do something about it, you sure as heck don't send a 17 year old kid.
Try to make sure that people who are responsible and mature and have a firm grasp of the situation and aren't running around in cowboy boots, which are really scary.
tim pool
Is that what he was doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I think he had cowboy boots.
I think that's why he fell down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Poor guy.
tim pool
No way, no way.
I don't believe that.
Is that for sure?
lydia smith
I'll look it up.
tim pool
I'll fact check myself.
Hold on.
Let me throw a little counterpoint to your way in that regard.
We send 18 year olds overseas to kill people.
lydia smith
That's fair.
tim pool
And this kid, he worked in the town.
Is a 17 year old not allowed to defend his own community?
lydia smith
I think he is, but I have a counterpoint to your counterpoint, because the 18-year-olds that we send to fight wars are led by people who have experience.
tim pool
That's a good point.
lydia smith
And who are mature.
And as far as I can tell, there's not really anybody like that there.
tim pool
And they go through extensive training.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
I mean, Rittenhouse looks like he had good... Yeah, he appeared to be trained.
lydia smith
Good trigger discipline.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I actually was talking to a friend of mine who said that she felt what proves intent to kill was trigger discipline.
Yeah, because he knows how to handle a weapon, and his finger clearly wasn't on the trigger most of the time, that means he made the decision to move his finger to firing position to shoot those people.
And I was like, yeah, to defend himself.
lydia smith
Yeah, they're coming at you.
They have weapons in their hands.
Not just a skateboard, man.
tim pool
This is crazy.
But anyway, it turns out this work is funny.
So that dude, Brian Tyler or whatever, Mike Cernovich quote tweets him saying, Nick Sandman's lawyers represent Kyle Rittenhouse.
Enjoy those retweets because you're literally going to be paying money for them.
And then the tweet got deleted.
And I guess he reposted it with a cleaner statement.
He fixed it, huh?
Yeah.
So you can't really sue someone for defamation if it's an opinion, you know.
So the tweet went away.
And I guess it's not the only one.
A bunch of other people did too.
Here's the screenshot.
We're going to get demonetized because we got some swears in here.
It says, holy S, Trump is defending Kyle Rittenhouse.
He's defending a white supremacist who murdered two people in cold blood.
He defended him from the lectern at the White House.
You know, man, I don't know how we're supposed to have a functioning society if people just make stuff up.
And just, you know, you know what the craziest thing is?
Ultimately, I want to get to here is the gaslighting with Joe Biden.
How he's basically Joe Biden came out and says he's condemned violence on both sides and is challenging Trump to do the same.
And it's like when Trump, the last time he said there were bad people on both sides and some fine people on both sides, they turned it into a smear.
They've used nonstop.
Joe Biden did.
lydia smith
It's so ironic that Joe Biden is bringing this up because he kicked off his campaign talking about the Very Fine People hoax.
And he's like, President Trump, you know, he really likes him some white nationalists or whatever.
And he's never let go of it.
And now he's bringing it up again now.
tim pool
Well, now what Biden's doing is a clever, you know, linguistic manipulation.
Yeah.
So instead of saying Trump called white nationalists this, he says, remember what they looked like and remember what he said.
Then he says the quote, so he can't be sued for lying.
lydia smith
That's pretty clever.
tim pool
It is, because it'd be funny if Trump sued Biden for defamation in a political race.
That would be amazing.
No, the judge would laugh and be like, welcome to politics, grow up, you're 74, you're beyond an adult.
lydia smith
Wait, so you can sue for defamation if you're a famous person, though, right?
tim pool
Yeah, it's harder, though.
So, I mean, Will Chamberlain, who I've actually got one of his tweets, is a better person to talk to, but he'll be on the show, I think.
When is he coming on?
Oh yeah, I've had Will on my show so many times.
But my understanding, basically having talked to Will several times who is a lawyer, is you have to prove, if you're a public figure and someone defames you, you have to prove they knew what they were saying was false.
It's extremely difficult.
lydia smith
Yeah, how do you prove someone's intent?
tim pool
Messages, emails, but even then, you know, I think for a lot of this stuff, these people are just, you know, kind of really dumb.
Yes.
And there's not going to be internal communications for a guy who just tweets something out.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
So, proving actual mess.
Now, I guess the big issue is, what's becoming really challenging with these defamation suits is that everyone is a public figure now.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So when it came to Nick Sandman, so for those unfamiliar, he's the Covington kid who was standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
The Native American guy walked up to him, started banging a drum in his face, and then the media smeared him.
He's won a bunch of settlements, by the way.
But the trouble with him was they tried arguing he was an involuntary public figure, and they were writing about him because it was the news and he's a public figure.
And I guess his legal team argued against that, saying he didn't do anything to be a public figure.
lydia smith
Involuntary, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's a thing, it is.
So they argued the kid didn't say anything.
You can't set that standard.
That's insane.
But that's where it's getting dangerous.
Is Kyle Rittenhouse now a public figure because he's all over the press and social media?
I think it's ridiculous to try and argue he is.
He didn't say anything to anybody, you know.
lydia smith
Well, I would say I'm really, really happy that Britten House is being defended by Nick Salmon's lawyer.
That gives me a great deal of confidence in what's going to happen.
tim pool
And the sheer amount of video around this incident, there's no, I don't, There are two new videos that have surfaced which make the circumstance really interesting.
the first is that apparently after the shooting, one of the guys who was with Kyle Rittenhouse says,
the police told us they were going to block it off and then send everyone our way because we
could deal with it. So I tweeted about that and I'm like, dude, that Kadosha Peaton needs to
answer for this because that sounds like they set him up.
lydia smith
Seriously?
tim pool
And I don't mean set him up like a bunch of cops were like, I got a plan to frame a kid.
What I'm saying is, it's an extreme interpretation of what I'm trying to say, what I'm trying to say is, the cops knew there were kids down there armed, and were like, send the writers that way.
And I'm not saying they had a grand scheme or grand intent.
It was literally just like they knew the kids were there and they thought, eh, send the writers that way.
It's negligence.
lydia smith
Yeah.
See, those are the adults that I would have expected to have taken up like the mantle of being responsible for these kids.
And they didn't.
It looks like they really failed them.
tim pool
I think the point you made earlier is exactly it.
While we do have young people who go overseas to fight wars, they have commanders.
They have the chain of command.
They have training and guidance.
This kid probably did have a lot of training, but no one on the ground was seemingly in control of the situation.
I'd imagine if they actually had someone older and more experienced, he could have called them, told them, like, here's what we do, here's how we do it, here's when we move.
And if they were together, he wouldn't have been chased.
So you had a handful of kids And they weren't experienced enough.
So when Rittenhouse got attacked and chased, the other guys should have been there to help him out.
So there's another video.
So there's that one, but there's another one where after the first guy gets shot, Kyle is running and someone said, what happened?
What's going on?
And Kyle says, I'm running to get the police.
lydia smith
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then people start yelling, get him, get him, stop him.
And then they start attacking him.
The kid was running for the police and they attacked him.
So, you know, it really is an interesting conundrum.
First and foremost, none of them should have been out past curfew.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
But, none of them should have been out past curfew.
I give a little bit more leeway to the kids because they were there in a defensive, you know, right?
Protect the businesses, render aid.
It was gonna happen.
The rioters shouldn't have been out there rioting.
So, I think the fact that they were out there burning down buildings, not this group specifically, but just in general, negates this idea that the skateboard guy was a hero.
lydia smith
Yeah, so if we take into account that the kid who is 17 shouldn't have been out there with his gun, then the protesters surely should not have been out there either.
Like, we have to apply the same standard.
tim pool
So the issue right now that I'm seeing, like the way CNN is framing it, and the friends, and these leftists, is that the skateboard guy, by himself, sees a dude running down the street with an AR, and they're screaming, he just killed somebody.
And so in his mind, he was like, oh man, I gotta stop this guy before he hurts someone else.
You see what I'm saying?
lydia smith
Sure, yeah.
tim pool
The problem is, that guy wasn't out there with good intentions.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
So, I'm, you know, if you go out with the intent to riot, see someone running down the street, and then you attack them, I'm sorry dude, that's not heroic.
You don't know what happened, you don't know who you're attacking, and that's actually, it's interesting to me that I've talked to a lot of people about the good guy with the gun scenario.
You have a lot of conservatives who say, how do you stop a bad guy with a gun, a good guy with a gun?
And many of them said the reason it's a bad idea is that if everyone starts attacking each other, the cops have no idea who's the good guy or the bad guy.
lydia smith
Right.
Well, I think sometimes you talk about when somebody steals a purse, or if somebody has a purse, and all you have to do is say, that person stole my purse, and then you cause all sorts of problems for them.
So what is this story that you tell where you're like, If you have a purse, all you have to do is yell at somebody
and you get people to attack them.
tim pool
Yeah. I mean, but you could theoretically, this is the craziest.
lydia smith
Anything.
tim pool
Anything at any time, anywhere. As long as there's a mob.
Like if I was walking down, I'd be one. Actually, you know what? I'll put it this way.
If I was in New York and I saw you and you were like walking and I yelled, stop
her. She stole my purse.
I don't think anybody would do anything.
If a guy had the purse, though, because, like, as much as people might not want to accept it, there's still sexist stereotypes.
lydia smith
Right, there are stereotypes.
Guys don't really care.
tim pool
If a guy was carrying a purse, a woman could yell, he grabbed my purse.
Most people would do nothing.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
But eventually you'd find one dude who would walk up and grab you and be like, yo, give the purse.
And then the guy would be like, it's my purse.
And then, you know, whatever.
I don't know.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
You could theoretically do it with a backpack, though.
That makes more sense.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'd be willing to bet in a crowded New York City very few people would actually intervene in any way but create a mob violence situation and they will do anything.
It's creepy.
There's a video, I think it's Wisconsin, I'm not sure, where a guy, a regular guy, is standing in front of a store with his arms up And they're all screaming at him to get out of the way, and then one random Antifa just goes, he's a Nazi!
And then people start screaming and hollering, because that Antifa guy knows, you say that, and then other people will just start physically attacking the individual.
And then the person ends up running off.
lydia smith
Fraud is a bunch of lemmings, that's for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, the interesting thing about all of the stuff we see with the far left is that it is what I would call, like, in terms of a weapon, if you were to, like, print an analogy, it's a blunt object.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Whereas the extremist stuff we normally see with, like, mass shooters is, like, a knife.
What I mean by that is, you attack someone with a knife, you're going to end them really quickly, and it's like a high, you know... It's intense.
Yeah, right.
And a blunt object is slow, and if you hit someone with a bat once, they might just run away.
So you can theoretically hit a thousand people with a baseball bat over the course of a month, and it won't make the news.
Nobody cares.
You run up to somebody and stab them, it's gonna be front page on the local news.
You do it to several people, it'll be major news.
And so what ends up happening is you have these terror attacks where the mainstream media sees it, and rightly so, goes like, whoa, this dude ran into a room with a gun and shot all these people!
And then everyone talks about how right-wing violence is the most extreme, and it's like, it's certainly a problem, absolutely, we gotta have the feds stopping all this stuff.
But with the loadsier stuff on the left, they do it a hundred times more often, but it never makes the news, so it keeps happening.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Now, Donald Trump's announced something earlier.
Along with the press conference where he talked about Kai Rittenhouse, he says, this is from Felicia Sonmez.
Felicia is Washington Post national political reporter.
DHS and DOJ are announcing a joint operations center to investigate violent left-wing civil unrest, Trump says.
Good.
lydia smith
Awesome.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
So it strikes me that it would be much simpler to just say, all extremists left and right are bad.
Why can't we just do that?
tim pool
Well, apparently now that's what Joe Biden's trying to do.
lydia smith
Oh boy.
tim pool
Wait, let me see if I can find a... Here we go.
unidentified
This is great.
tim pool
Tyler... I'm going to go back to that tweet because there's another funny thing there.
Tyler Pager says, Biden on Trump's presser.
I urge the president to join me in saying that while peaceful protest is a right, a necessity, violence is wrong, period.
If Donald Trump can't say that, then he is unfit to be president and his preference for more violence, not less, is clear.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Why doesn't he say that, Tim?
tim pool
Take a look at this tweet below.
Someone commented, we've reached levels of gaslighting never before thought possible.
I couldn't believe this, so I actually pulled it up and yep, look at this.
Biden, I condemn violence in Portland, challenge Donald Trump to do the same.
Biden condemns violence in Portland and calls on Trump to do the same.
Biden condemns Portland violence, says Trump recklessly encouraging it.
Wow.
Trump is recklessly encouraging it.
lydia smith
That's crazy.
tim pool
You know what was really crazy to me when I saw this?
I think this proves that Joe Biden and Kamala and the Democrats no longer care for politically active people.
They're straight up saying, if you follow the news and you listen to commentary, we don't want your vote.
You know why?
lydia smith
Why?
tim pool
Because we've all been listening to Trump scream his head off about ending the violence and having law and order.
And they keep blaming him for it, even though it's like, We just had Ted Wheeler of Portland write a letter and say, I do not want your help ending the violence.
lydia smith
Yep.
Yep.
And then what did he do the next day?
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
He did a press conference where he blamed Donald Trump for not intervening.
unidentified
And if you don't want to help us get out of our way, support us or get the hell out of the way.
lydia smith
What do you think he tried to do?
tim pool
Now look at this, look at these stories, man.
My favorite one is the Reuters one where it says Biden condemns violence, says Trump recklessly encouraging it.
How dare Trump, you know, how dare Trump's staff donate to the, oh, I'm sorry, this is Biden's staff.
Oh, I'm sorry.
From Reuters, Biden's staff donate to group that pays bail in riot-torn Minneapolis.
lydia smith
I remember this.
tim pool
Oh, that was Biden's staff.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It was in May.
tim pool
Well, OK.
Well, anyway, it's not like his vice presidential candidate was actively encouraging people to donate to the riot.
lydia smith
That'd be silly, Tim.
tim pool
Oh, here's a tweet from Kamala Harris.
If you're able to chip in now to the Minnesota Freedom Fund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota.
unidentified
Wait, wait.
lydia smith
I have an objection with this, OK?
Kamala Harris is supposed to be the law and order candidate, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
So how does this jive with this stupid tweet about donating to the Minnesota Freedom Fund?
tim pool
Remember when I mentioned last week the Bugs Bunny meme where he's just leaning up against the wall with his eyes half closed?
That's how I feel right now.
Yeah, no, oh yeah one of these again, huh?
Yeah, listen I was talking to it Wait a minute don't eat Tim.
Why is it?
Why does it go to Kamala Harris for the people?
Oh it goes through her?
What look at this act blue yeah, it is no kidding oh And it says, KDH, Social Minnesota Freedom Fund, ref code.
But it says Kamala Harris for the people.
Does this, who does, okay, it does go to the Minnesota Freedom Fund.
Okay, okay.
I'm like, that's kind of weird.
I was talking to a family member who said that in the suburbs of Chicago, people are crossing their fingers that Kamala Harris will be a law and order candidate who is going to shut down the extremism.
And I just laughed when I heard it.
I'm like, dude, the lady is so desperately pandering to the far left.
You know why I just laughed at this?
Do you know what the—I'm doing air quotes here—protests were in Minnesota?
I mean, of course you do.
It was people running around burning things down, and they're still doing it.
Yep.
So who was getting bailed out?
Protests.
Aw, man.
You know what I wonder?
I think some of these Democrats genuinely believed they were peaceful protests.
lydia smith
Maybe at first.
tim pool
I'm not saying the high-profile ones.
I'm saying there's a bunch of dopey, not-watching-the-news, being like, peaceful protests.
Kamala Harris, on the other hand, I bet she's sitting in a situation room, and she's got a scowled face, and she's like, what are they doing in these buildings?
We want their votes?
Whatever.
Tell me what to tweet.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And she just goes for it.
lydia smith
I imagine that's exactly what she does.
In fact, I imagine tell me what to do is a lot of what Kamala says because I don't think she thinks a lot for herself.
I think that she's constantly waiting for messaging.
tim pool
You're right, but I think it's unfair because Joe Biden is like, What a dream team.
isn't even able to carry out the commands he's given.
You know what I mean?
lydia smith
I didn't say this was unique to her.
I just said that she especially is really...
tim pool
I get it, I get it.
But you know, Joe Biden.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's fair.
Man.
tim pool
What a dream team.
Did you see the clip from the Joe Biden presser he did earlier?
Yeah.
Where he was like, can you believe that in more than one year, with a hundred year...
And I'm like...
I don't know what you're talking about, dude.
Dude, anyway.
So to see this, like, epic gaslighting, man, you gotta love it.
Cernovich responded to her on June 1st saying, you are funding domestic terrorism.
Uh-huh.
He got 1,100 retweets.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
And someone replied a day ago, this aged well.
lydia smith
Indeed it did.
tim pool
She did.
Now we got a guy who was killed walking down the street.
For those that haven't been following the story, his name was Aaron Danielson, Trump supporter, walking down the street in Portland, and it was targeted, this killing.
So I'm sure most of you know by now this story has been ridiculously massive.
And it's one of the things they asked Trump about in this press conference.
The woman from CNN said, you know, you want to condemn far-left violence, put out your own supporters.
There were Trump supporters who had paintball guns and stuff like that.
lydia smith
Pepper spray, defensive stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, bear mace.
lydia smith
And that's what he said, yeah.
tim pool
And Trump said, you know, paintball, like, look, if they're going to defend themselves from violence, it's very different from the bullets that were used to kill one of, you know, his supporters.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's true, man.
Well, first, just keeping it on Biden before we jump over to the update on Aaron Danielson, we got to talk about the, you know, the information that came out from a witness.
Trump allies challenge Biden's tougher tone on riots, note support for fund bailing out protesters.
Donald Trump is the most lawless president in American history, said Biden's spokesperson.
The last thing I want to mention on this because when I saw that gaslighting, it really did shock me to my core.
I was just like, The idea that Joe Biden can for months be like, look fat, you know, support the protests, peaceful, you know, and Kamala Harris could be like, why don't everybody pitch in and help, you know, bail out these protesters?
Like, for her to tweet something like that, and then do a complete 180, where now he's— It was specifically that he's saying Trump is promoting this, when it was literally— Well, to be fair, I want to make sure I'm very careful in how I say this, Joe Biden did condemn the extreme violence several times.
lydia smith
Yes, he did.
tim pool
And I respect that.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
However, his staff has been supporting it, and the underlying protests they've absolutely supported, and almost exclusively, these protests have devolved into some kind of chaos.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Real peaceful protests have been rare here.
I've praised them every time they've happened.
And typically, they don't get a lot of news coverage, and people complain about it.
unidentified
They're like, Tim, why won't you talk about the fact that a thousand people marched with signs?
tim pool
I'm like, I did!
I said it was great!
And I said if they wanted to sit down and block the road, I wouldn't have a problem.
It's civil disobedience.
It's great.
But that's not what happened.
Like, what do you want me to do?
You want me to, like, talk for a half an hour?
A bunch of people walk down the street waving signs.
It was great.
lydia smith
That's the problem with peaceful protest.
It's boring.
There's nothing really to report.
No one gets hurt.
No one gets shot.
People just demonstrate and they are civilly disobedient sometimes.
tim pool
Not even that.
But it can generate positive press.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Because it creates a story.
The problem is they've escalated everything to a certain degree where, yeah, there's not a lot of news in people walking around waving signs.
Unless it's massive.
lydia smith
So when this first started, I was thinking that if enough conservatives would get out and peacefully demonstrate that they could make a big difference.
But I am not convinced anymore, because what's the point to peacefully protesting?
I mean, I need an argument here.
tim pool
I think I saw something from Cernovich a moment ago where he was saying, stay home, make money, go vote.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I think it's smart, because the thing right now that's going to really, really mess up Trump supporters is retaliation.
So let's go to this story.
We got news.
Aaron J. Danielson died from gunshot wound to the chest, medical examiner says.
I mean, we all pretty much knew it.
There's a few things that I really want to talk about here.
And I want to get into that.
There's a tweet prior where they're trying to liken what's going on to Nazi Germany, blaming Trump supporters for this.
This is crazy.
They're posting fake videos from a... They're posting videos from someone else defending that crazy guy in Portland who slashed three people.
And they're claiming it was him, and it's not.
Yeah, and it's a top comment on the Reddit post.
They're saying that this guy was defending that murderer dude.
It's not true.
They're just lying.
That's what- that's crazy to me.
And that's- that's part of what I was saying about how they, like, don't Google search things.
They don't care.
And I have to- I have to- I just- at a certain point, either we fire all these fake journalists, or we just accept they're doing it on purpose.
lydia smith
That's the only thing I can assume.
Because every time I see something like that, all it takes is 15 seconds of Google searching and the right, you know, search term, and I can come up with what I need.
tim pool
This is the funniest thing about my job is that I get hit by people who are like, you know, thank you for doing the work and fact-checking.
I see reviews where they're like, you know, Tim always makes sure he has proper sources.
I'm like, it's true, I do.
And it's not hard.
lydia smith
It's possible, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, I think it is fair to say I do know where to go to find breaking stories.
I do have a better assessment of what's true.
A lot of people don't like this.
They claim I don't do journalism when I'm literally verifying videos and fact-checking and finding the sources for photos and videos.
And I won't report on stories if the sources are questionable.
So it's true, but it's amazing to me that often fact-checking a story requires a Google search, I find a Twitter video, I find a corroborating tweet, and then I see a story in the New York Times, and their source is law enforcement, and I'm like, looks good to me.
But then these other journalists are just like, well, my grandma said that this guy was a Nazi.
lydia smith
It's because they're working backwards.
I'm fairly convinced at this point that they are starting from their conclusion, and they're working back.
And it doesn't matter what gets in the way.
They're going to say whatever needs to be said to get to their conclusion.
tim pool
That's the craziest thing to me.
At a certain point, they've... Come on, man.
The American people...
Look, if you want to pull the George Carlin thing, when he said, imagine how stupid the average person is, now realize half of them, you know, half of them are stupider than that.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, it's funny.
George Carlin was a legend.
I love that guy.
And right, right.
I get the point.
It's true.
However, people aren't that stupid.
Like Joe, for Joe Biden to come out and be like, Donald Trump, Joe Biden literally said your supporters coming out and like intimidating, threatening people.
And I'm like, do you think that All right, listen, maybe the bottom 10% of intelligence are sitting there going like, whoa, those guys wearing all black and screaming Black Lives Matter were white nationalist Trump supporters.
That's crazy.
lydia smith
Isn't that weird?
tim pool
But come on, that's got to be like, that's like Forrest Gump wasn't even that dumb.
You know what I mean?
lydia smith
Those people who are saying that, those people who are agreeing with that, are also working backwards.
They have a conclusion, the conclusion is orange, mad, bad.
Whatever supports this.
tim pool
I know, I know, I get it, but like, how do you have three months of footage of people screaming, Black Lives Matter, and then Joe Biden goes, listen, those guys, actually, Trump supporters.
And they just go like, oh, now, that's right, they were Trump supporters.
lydia smith
Maybe we esteem politicians too highly, because I can't imagine someone else saying that and getting away with it.
tim pool
I guess.
Maybe he's counting on people who don't pay attention and they just see the headlines.
lydia smith
Yeah, definitely.
Low information.
tim pool
So here's the first thing I want to mention, right?
If you watched my earlier segments, then you know a little bit about this, but the guy who was with Aaron Danielson, they called him Jay, I guess his middle initial, said that they were walking the other direction.
when someone yelled, we got them right here, we got a couple right here, pull it out, here, yeah,
they turn around, bang, bang. So it seems like these guys, we now know, based on the witness,
it was the far leftists who yelled, we got a couple right here. Pull it out. It wasn't them.
and And this guy, Aaron Danielson, turned around, and it does look like in this really crappy, grainy video that he fires mace or whatever.
The left is trying to claim that was self-defense, but based on the witness statement for now, it's the only statement we have, they turned around and saw a guy raising a gun to him, and so he went for his mace.
And it's like, man, maybe you see someone raising the weapon, but you don't know what to do.
You have a quarter of a second to decide.
lydia smith
Yeah, what are you supposed to do?
tim pool
And so he raised the mace and then took two to the chest.
So this guy was targeted based on the witness statement, and I'll tell you what.
The people who are trying to argue that the far leftist guy was defending himself from mace, it's like, you're gonna be hard pressed to convince, based on that video, that you saw someone drawing mace and therefore you decided to end their life.
You could try and argue that I couldn't tell what it was, I saw him raising something at me so I defended myself, but it was almost the exact same time and they approached him, yelling, we got a couple right here.
lydia smith
Yeah, how do you explain the audio?
tim pool
And then he fled as fast as he could.
So apparently, this is crazy too, I guess his sister is the one who turned him in.
We got this from the Daily Mail.
Portland Antifa protester who is under investigation for shooting a Patriot Prayer Trump supporter after being turned over to police by his own sister.
So apparently, he was reported to police by his sister who recognized him in photos and videos from Saturday night.
This was not, like, listen, the Trump supporters have a right to drive their cars around and say silly things.
That's just a fact.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
And so this is where it gets really, you know, really frustrating in terms of the national narrative from the left.
They're like, I saw a journalism professor, her name is Emily Bell, I know her, I think she's a nice person, but she tweeted, You know, I had to call a family member scared because, you know, fake militias are invading our towns.
I never thought I would see something like this.
And then a bunch of other journalists were like, oh, I'm so scared.
I hope you're safe.
And I'm just, my response was, yeah, I feel the same way.
You know, I had to deal with that, uh, several times when the riots were happening in Chicago with my family, you know, so the police definitely need to shut this down.
But where, where, where is this, where's the outrage over the fact that for months these cities have been under siege?
Were you not concerned about your family member when the far left was burning down buildings?
It's Portland.
There's been riots going on in residential neighborhoods for months.
They physically attacked a man at her house.
You didn't think to call your family member and be concerned then?
lydia smith
Maybe they think that they'll be left because they're special.
Because they agree with their points of view.
Like if you paint the right things on your wall, you'll be left alone.
tim pool
I just gotta say it.
I think journalists are really dumb people.
lydia smith
It's also possible.
tim pool
I do.
And the reason I think this is, early on in the industry, I'm talking like a long, long time ago, and I guess journalism's been around for a really long time, you needed to know a lot to understand the world and create compelling information.
I think one of the reasons that, like, this show does well and, you know, I think one of the reasons probably a lot of people watch is because I do a lot of research all the time.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And so I'm very quick to be able to cite or reference certain things.
And it allows me to make better predictions because I've seen a bunch of different things and I can see a lot of the variables.
Today, it's super easy.
These news organizations don't want to pay a lot of money.
So they hire some college kid for dirt.
The kid has no skills.
And they're like, we don't care.
Just write negative things about Trump and we're golden.
unidentified
Actually, Ryan Long... I was just thinking of that.
tim pool
So, Ryan Long, the comedian, put out a new segment.
It was today, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh man, it was so good.
It's called... What is it?
It's like a news... When Trump leaves?
lydia smith
Yeah.
What news is going to do when Trump leaves?
tim pool
And it's a bunch of people sitting around all talking about their anti-Trump articles, if he wins.
But then it turns out he loses and Joe Biden wins and they're all cheering.
And then it's like one month later and they're all sweaty, like, I need something!
unidentified
What do we have?
lydia smith
I got nine shares on this article about the vice president being a nice lady.
She looks good today.
The press conference went smoothly.
tim pool
And then someone's like, I got an article about Trump.
And he's like, no, Trump's lost.
He's just a guy now.
No one cares.
And then he gets a text message saying like, you know, they're shutting down your office and he just wanders off.
But it really is true.
So what happens when you get journalists who don't know how to do research and who don't care to do research?
That's the big issue.
They're not passionate about their jobs.
They're lazy and they just want to get through the day.
Listen, when you've got an office full of people, like all these lefty journalists who are socialists or whatever, they all tend to be supporting this stuff.
They don't want to work.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
The last thing they want to do.
They're like, I shouldn't have to work.
They're like, we should have a four day work week.
lydia smith
Rent is fashion.
unidentified
It's like, dude, I work all day, every day.
tim pool
Not because I'm doing it because it's, you know what, man?
I don't know what they really want to do with their lives.
Do they want to like just sit around and have teen trumpets or something?
lydia smith
Probably.
So this is something that I saw a little bit when I was working in nursing too.
There were people who were in the field that I was like, you shouldn't be doing this.
You should not be here.
You should find a different job.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
What were they doing?
lydia smith
They were insensitive.
They were impatient.
They were really sometimes dishonest.
And I was like, no, you shouldn't be doing this.
You should not be in this field at all.
I feel like all these lazy journalists, like if you don't want to do research and if you're not interested in historical stuff that happened, That's not the right field for you.
Find something else.
tim pool
You know what they want?
It's a quick path.
Actually, let me start over.
I've been talking about politicians.
They're not good enough at anything to become noteworthy.
So they're like, if I can just tell people whatever it is they want to hear, and I get elected, then I'll have my name in the history books.
lydia smith
And I will have, yeah.
tim pool
Same thing with journalists.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
A lot of these people are narcissists who are like, everyone should know my opinion, and I shouldn't have to do any work for it.
lydia smith
Blue check syndrome.
tim pool
Blue check syndrome.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of blue checks, you know.
lydia smith
They're famous.
tim pool
No, no, I was going to say like the things they do, the unethical things they do, desperate for followers and retweets and everything.
And I'm just like, I roll my eyes.
I'm like, yeah, really?
I've had people hit me up asking, like, how do you get more followers?
And I was like, I don't know.
lydia smith
Do good work.
tim pool
Dude, I was just like, you know what I do?
I go on Twitter and I just like, I say, I just tweet things.
I just, I don't even think about it.
I rarely respond to people relative to what I post.
And I just will like see an article and I'll be like, and I'll just like tweet it out.
And that's it.
lydia smith
Well, this is interesting.
tim pool
So what a lot of these journalists end up doing is like replying to people because they're like, you know, do the reply guy thing.
lydia smith
I don't like the idea of depending on someone else for your, like, engagement.
Why would you not go out and talk to people on your own?
It doesn't make sense to me.
tim pool
They're not good enough at anything to actually earn followers.
lydia smith
I'm starting to agree, and I don't think they really have enough original thought to really be famous on Twitter on their own.
tim pool
Look at these reply guys who will, like, whenever Trump tweets, they respond immediately.
But look at their sole tweets.
Like, go to their Twitter account and look at their just regular tweets, and there's no engagement.
lydia smith
They're so—they're boring.
Like, they don't have—they really don't have original thoughts that they tweet out.
All they do is reply.
tim pool
No, I mean, you know, even—what I mean is, they might tweet something at Trump like, you stink and you're orange.
A million retweets.
But then they'll tweet something like, I like a grilled cheese sandwich, and it gets 10.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Whatever it is they're doing, they're getting little to no engagement, but I'll tell you what, man, some people are making insane amounts of money, like six figures.
No joke.
lydia smith
On Twitter?
tim pool
Yeah, from selling stuff.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And donate to my Patreon, and here's my PayPal.
Yeah.
That's the creepy game of Twitter.
People need to realize this, because I've been looking at some of these activist threads, and you'll see it.
They'll post something like, can you believe our president is orange?
Why is our president orange?
Isn't that dumb?
And it's got a million retweets.
The next tweet is, donate to my PayPal to support me.
If they get 100 million impressions on that, and they got that link, and they, I mean, what, they could probably get a couple grand.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I doubt they're actually getting anything near that, but if they get 50 bucks every time they do it, they're incentivized to produce the most psychotic garbage imaginable.
lydia smith
I don't like monetizing that.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
Well, they want them retweets.
Let's talk about this right here.
Check this out.
So this is one of the replies to this tweet from Felicia Sanmez, who said, The DHS and DOJ are announcing a joint operations center to investigate violent left-wing civil unrest, Trump says.
This is a screen grab with 102.7 thousand retweets.
I want to make sure you can see it right there.
102.7k.
He says, The history of Nazis holding rallies in left-wing areas of Weimar Germany, instigating street fights, and then telling the press that only they could save Germany from the violent communists seems like an important thing for people to be studying right now.
Wow, is that a gross mischaracterization of what's happening now, and what happened back then!
Do you know where Antifa comes from?
Tell me, Tim.
I'm sorry, from Weimar, Germany.
It was the German Communist Party.
Anti-fascist action, or whatever it is.
So what's really been going on, and I've talked about this quite a bit going back to the Battle of Berkeley several years ago.
The far left is targeting peaceful rallies, and a lot of people criticize these Trump supporters for going to left-wing areas and holding rallies.
They didn't start any violence.
In Berkeley, for instance, a bunch of Trump supporters went to the Free Speech Plaza or whatever, because it was historical Berkeley, you know, 1970s.
And then Antifa showed up and started beating and attacking people, throwing explosives, pulling out knives, improvised explosives and things like that.
And I'm like, OK, no one made you attack these people.
You didn't have to do that.
They decided to do it anyway.
And now they're claiming it's the Trump supporters who are bad here.
But the important factor, the important difference, which faction is going around demanding people salute them?
With their arm outstretched in front of them?
lydia smith
Probably the right-wingers, since they're Nazis.
tim pool
Who's got their right arm straight out in front of them and demand other people are doing it right now?
lydia smith
I get it.
tim pool
The only difference between the Nazi salute and what Black Lives Matter is doing is they make a fist.
unidentified
That's right.
lydia smith
I was going to say, you see, there's a huge difference because their fist is closed.
It's not straight ahead of them.
And I'm not even going to imitate that.
tim pool
So, we've seen the photos and videos.
They go to diners, they harass and attack people.
And then you get one Trump rally, one, in Portland, okay?
Where they drove their trucks through, and then here it is, a hundred thousand retweets.
lydia smith
I knew this was gonna happen.
tim pool
That's why I think, you know, Cernovich said, stay home, make money, and go vote.
lydia smith
Absolutely.
tim pool
My thing is speak up.
And we talked about this a few weeks ago where I was saying, you know, like old ladies defending a statue is better optics and everything.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But speaking up is the most important thing in your workplace.
And I think it's, I don't know if staying home is the right answer.
I don't know what the right answer is, but I'll tell you this.
You drive your car with a Trump flag and they will claim that militias are invading cities.
lydia smith
I saw today somebody compare it to ISIS, the trucks that drive through Iraq with ISIS flags in the back.
tim pool
Yeah, they called it Vanilla ISIS.
It's like, well, it was Antifa that just executed a guy in the street.
lydia smith
I mean, that sounds a little ISIS-y, if you ask me.
tim pool
What do I know?
The horrifying thing about this, I was thinking about it, are there any stories of Trump supporters, just like a dude in a MAGA hat walking up and executing a leftist or anything like that?
Nope.
lydia smith
No, and you know how I know?
Because that would be front page international news for a month if that happened.
Such a thing has not happened, and it won't happen.
I pray not.
I'm really hoping nothing like that happens because now I'm terrified of what happens if a group like Patriot Prayer decides to try to retaliate.
I'm worried.
tim pool
Or if Patriot Prayer decides to do a march.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's it.
Then you're going to have all of these Democrat operatives and the press sitting in their chairs salivating like, you step on a twig and we are going to write a front page story claiming you did horrifying things.
lydia smith
Tim, they're having one on the 26th.
That's such a bad idea.
tim pool
Here's the challenge.
Do we tell them, like, do not go out and express yourselves under the First Amendment?
That's not fair.
I know.
lydia smith
That makes me mad.
tim pool
And that's what the left wants.
They can create this circumstance.
I should say the far left, these extremists, they want to create a circumstance where the right knows that if they step out of line in any way and they've come out, they'll start the fight and the press will defend the extremists.
lydia smith
This is kind of clever because you're not actually saying you cannot come out.
You're not actually saying you may not speak.
You are telling them that if they do, they'll suffer for it.
But they're not actually, they're not overtly saying it's all very covert.
And of course, because the media has their back, it's going to work.
tim pool
That's tough.
Again, I want to be careful when I say this.
I think it was Mike Cernovich who said, stay home, make money, vote, or whatever.
I don't want to misattribute quotes to somebody who didn't say it, but someone tweeted it.
I think it was Mike.
The point is, man, that's tough.
We all have rights.
We can go out and wave little flags if we want to.
And getting attacked by Antifa, that's messed up that the media does this.
It's why I rag on them so much.
This whole episode is me ragging on the media.
lydia smith
Well, yeah, of course, because the media controls what people think of the world way more than they should.
We give them far more power and far more credit than we should.
So they need to be held to account.
tim pool
I was thinking something earlier today, you know, that actually gave me hope.
I think the media class is on the verge of collapse entirely, even though we're seeing ratings go up and everything.
We were joking just a moment ago about if Trump loses, like they're wiped out.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I feel like That, what we're seeing right now, even with Tucker Carlson, is Trump is inflating all media viewership.
I think everything drops dramatically if Trump loses, but internet shows, particularly like this one, are going to survive and flourish.
I was thinking about something, and I'm going to, I mentioned, I think I mentioned this last week, but I was thinking about it again today, especially with Donald Trump tweeting, liking my tweet.
Why didn't anybody ask me anything?
lydia smith
No one's talked to you about it?
tim pool
No one's asked anything about it.
Something really funny happened.
So apparently some people on Wikipedia have been complaining my career stops at 2017.
The media just stopped talking about me.
lydia smith
Why is that?
tim pool
I don't know.
And I think it's funny.
Well, I have a general idea.
And I know this may seem like I rarely talk about myself this directly, but in the past month with YouTube podcast and Facebook, it's over 100 million views across all of my content.
And, uh, it's like, you know, three hours and 40 minutes a day of content.
So it's, it's kind of, it's, it's, these are big numbers.
Apparently, uh, I'm getting hit by people, you know, Trump is liking my tweet, I'm getting a bunch of attention, and the media completely ignores everything about me.
In fact, somebody tweeted about me saying something critical, and some other leftist replied, who?
Like, haha, no one, no one cares who he is.
There's a really funny tweet about a year ago or so, where some leftist journalist tweeted something like, Whatever happened to that Tim Pool guy?
It's so sad.
He was getting six figures working for these companies and now he's got like a crappy little Patreon getting like a thousand bucks.
Because I don't use Patreon.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
They're just like sitting there.
And I'm just like, it's really amazing.
And I think this, you know, when I reflect on myself and my work, is a really good example of how broken the media is and why it's going to die.
It's simple.
If they had any idea what was actually going on outside of their mainstream bubble, their Beltway bubble, the kind of conversations people were having, then they'd be like, what's up with this dude who's getting 100 million views a month, per month, who just got a like from the president?
Instead, all these outlets that were talking about Trump liking my tweet were saying things like, Trump liked a tweet, you know, from a user saying, Kyle Rittenhouse is a good example of why I decided to vote for the president.
They didn't stop to be like, this guy's got 650,000 followers and like, who is he?
And look into me.
None of that.
Nothing at all.
lydia smith
So does this make you feel like super famous or super stealthy or kind of annoyed?
tim pool
Neither.
It makes me feel like there's two realities happening.
And it's true.
Like you look at CNN and man, do they have no idea what's going on.
But how could it be that, you know, like right now, 52,541 people watching live, you guys are awesome by the way, are watching live and, you know, having conversations, talking about all this, and they have no idea it's happening.
That's crazy.
This is it.
I don't think there is a silent majority.
No, I think there's a silent group of people that are scared to speak up.
lydia smith
Sure.
tim pool
But I think people are speaking up.
I think the mainstream media is a circle of people all staring at each other's butts.
And it's like, yo, we're over here, are you watching what's happening?
Your industry is collapsing.
So I guess the way I put it is, the New York Times subscriber base is going up while every other news organization is collapsing, giving this false idea to these journalists that they're doing better when they're actually going down the drain.
If they had any idea the conversations that were happening outside of the Beltway bubble among moderate, disaffected liberals, the politically homeless, and conservatives... You mean everyone?
lydia smith
Normal people?
tim pool
They'd be writing a lot more about this phenomenon.
I had someone comment on a post of mine earlier about walk away and they were like it's not real. It was a
lefty guy. He's like it's not real, people aren't walking away, there's no real data on it. And
I was like did you see all the C-SPAN phone calls? And his response was, you know, he's like that's
not real data, those are anecdotes, it means nothing. And I mentioned Axios actually wrote an
article about this saying that Republicans are closing the gap with registered voters, with Democrats,
over registered voters.
And it's not because they're registering new voters.
It's two big reasons.
This is according to Axios.
People are leaving the Democratic Party or they're switching parties, which is giving Republicans a boost and narrowing the gap between the two parties.
I think that proves there is data.
This is from Cook Political Analysis or whatever.
Walk away is a real phenomenon.
lydia smith
I think the media is a little bit like Inspector Clouseau and the Pink Panther, who is really bumbling.
And I feel like they're staring with their little magnifying glass.
They're looking for clues and they're looking in a dark corner and everyone's behind them.
And they're like, what are they doing?
We're right here.
They're like, there's no one here.
You guys are crazy.
I don't know what you guys are talking about.
There's no silent majority.
tim pool
I think we're getting to the point and, you know, when you see Brian Stelter on CNN and he says something and you're just like, dude, do you have Google?
Like, what is this?
Because they all get their news from Twitter and they all follow each other on Twitter.
And there have been progressive journalism professors who said people have an unhealthy Twitter obsession and these journalists need to get off of it.
I remember when there was a big trend where I think it was BuzzFeed.
I'm not sure.
They ordered their staff.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
tim pool
It was like Outline or something or Dateline.
I don't remember.
They ordered their staff to not use Twitter for a week.
To, like, actually do journalism.
Thank you for this look on your face.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
And I don't know what happened with it.
lydia smith
How did that go?
tim pool
I don't remember.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
But it reminds me a bit of what the Ryan Long comedy sketch earlier.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So if you haven't seen it, you definitely got to see Ryan Long's comedy sketch.
But in it, he says, there's like one guy, Stephen King and who else?
I don't know.
They're not on Twitter anymore.
lydia smith
What am I supposed to do?
tim pool
What am I supposed to do?
Come up with an article out of thin air?
And the other guy is like, is there a template for like what people used to do?
lydia smith
Dude, Ryan nails a bunch of stuff.
He's like, what are these people going to do after Trump's gone?
And on our show, he was talking about how they're going to, like, pack it up in a suitcase and just walk out into the ocean.
I was like, yeah, what are they supposed to do?
tim pool
Slowly into the sunset and just walk under the water.
lydia smith
Into the water and they're gone.
I don't know.
tim pool
Dude, it's so weird because I look, you know, people have said the similar things to me.
Clearly, I just rag on Democrats all the time, right?
Therefore, once the political battle is over, what am I going to talk about?
And I'm like, I'm gonna go back to talking about the exact thing I was talking about, because I was making content for the last several years.
I have a video about cultural issues.
I have a video, I'm pretty sure it's still this way on my main channel, Timcast, that the default video is me talking about Jordan Peterson and cultural issues.
lydia smith
Yeah, I love that video.
tim pool
Nothing to do with politics.
But politics became the top tier pop culture, and so I certainly jumped in the fray.
I think we'll see a couple things.
If Trump leaves, there's a good likelihood they won't stop doing what they do.
They'll just replace Trump's name with something similar.
lydia smith
For sure.
tim pool
They'll find something.
They'll lie.
I mean, you know, maybe I should take that back.
I think they're already squeezing, like, you know, it's, it's, you know, what is it, extra virgin olive oil is when they, like, get the first fresh drop, and then... Yeah.
Oh, no, that's extra, extra, isn't it?
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
tim pool
Basically, you've got a dry, withered husk of an olive, and they're, like, pounding it with a mallet, like, give me something!
There's, there's, or, or, better, better way to put it, they're scraping the bottle, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel so hard, they're pulling up wood chips.
lydia smith
You know, people started telling me, oh, man, I'm seeing a bunch of wood chips lately, and I was like, oh, I know, right?
tim pool
When they write a story, like Vox did, where they said something like, what did they say, 40 million Americans have alt-right ideas or something?
Yeah, Google that, can you Google that?
Something like that.
It's clearly not true.
And they're just like...
Well, uh, white nationalists drink water and, you know, 40 million Americans prefer water.
Therefore, did you find it?
lydia smith
11 million Americans think like alt-right?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
So this is actually from a little while ago, but they're saying that millions and millions of white Americans are just thinking on the same lines as the, you know, charlatan people.
tim pool
That's right, because they like cats.
lydia smith
Yes, apparently.
Oh gosh.
tim pool
That's literally the game they're playing.
They're like, well, the white nationalists believe that we should have strong borders.
Therefore, these people think like them.
lydia smith
Dude, I have no patience for that nonsense because it is possible to have.
So what I notice a lot is just a tiny little grain of truth at the bottom of everything.
And you can go the wrong way with it, like white nationalists, or you can be sane and reasonable about it, like a normal person.
But the fact that there is a common grain of truth, they just run wild with it, and it's nonsense.
tim pool
It's getting to the point where it's really difficult to actually cover anything.
So, for instance, there have been several stories that I know to be true and have fact-checked, but NewsGuard, the third-party fact-checking source, will give it like, no, this is a bad source.
And then you'll get, actually here's a really good example.
Take a look at this story from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
This is one of the first stories we highlighted.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Trump mischaracterizes Kenosha protest shootings, defends Rittenhouse.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
We got three journalists on this one claiming that because Trump said Rittenhouse was attacked and he may have been killed, he's mischaracterizing it.
I mean, that's an opinion.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Does it say opinion on here?
lydia smith
It does not.
It says elections.
tim pool
Nope.
It doesn't say an opinion anywhere.
So this is an opinion story.
Whether or not he mischaracterized it, they're asserting it as a fact.
Well, of course, NewsGuard says the only strike they get is for not disclosing financing.
lydia smith
Not failing to differentiate fact from opinion.
tim pool
That's fine.
lydia smith
Yeah, that looks fine.
tim pool
Now, to be fair, I guess they could argue it was just one time they did this.
Media Matters for America, which writes conspiracy theories and lies all day, is green.
It's, like, good to go.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, we're coming to a point where... This is the point I'm trying to make, okay?
So, look, I wasn't trying to toot my own horn when I was talking about my viewership.
The point I'm trying to make is...
If people on Wikipedia are saying things like, Tim Pool's career stopped at 2017, and there's no new information about him at all on anything he's done yet, like since he left Fusion, how do we update this?
And like, apparently people are saying things about, I recently came out in support of Trump, therefore they should add it, and they're like, there's no articles about this.
Nobody cares!
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
Could you imagine what would, like, remember when Joe Rogan said he would rather vote for Trump over Biden, not even committed?
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And it was like every paper ever wrote about it?
lydia smith
Yes, there are articles about that.
tim pool
It's so weird.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
It's so weird.
You know why?
I think because these people still, like, they use iTunes.
So when they open the app, they see Joe Rogan.
So they know it.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
But they're not attuned to what's going on with the Internet and regular people and where they're consuming news in digital ways.
So they have no idea that conversations like this happen every single day to, I think, what we're at... 3.5 million viewers per day across all my content.
And the media isn't talking about it.
lydia smith
And that is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, because I think to them, if an article is not written about something that happens, it didn't happen.
Which is really interesting.
tim pool
The best part.
I tweeted this.
Well, actually, maybe I didn't tweet it.
Maybe I was about to when I deleted it.
How is Wikipedia supposed to function as an encyclopedia if the only criteria for recording important historical information is that some 22-year-old college grad who makes 30,000 a year has to blog about it?
lydia smith
That's a great question.
tim pool
Certainly it is of merit that, you know, like the work I do and over the past several years, but the journalists don't know what's happening.
So again, I'm not trying to humblebrag or anything.
I mean it sincerely.
The point I'm trying to bring up is that there's a substantial audience here.
The media has no idea it's happening while their ship is sinking.
We're all on a ship sailing towards golden shores and rainbows and you know people are having piña colada and they're singing and their ship is headed towards the waterfall and they're going full speed ahead I think there's land that way and we're like what are Going the wrong way.
It's like blockbuster video, man.
lydia smith
Yeah, Netflix.
Yeah.
Well, they've simultaneously gotten bigger and bigger heads as they've engaged on social media and gotten more and more followers.
At the same time, their quality is decreasing as they're outsourcing and they forget, you know, how to Google things and how to research things and how to actually do investigative journalism.
Like the guy who did the piece for The New York Times, I think it was Christian, whatever his last name was.
That was impressive.
I was like, he actually he used to work for Sorry, he used to work for Bellingcat, and he actually did investigative journalism.
So he actually knows what it's like to get out on the ground.
tim pool
To do research.
lydia smith
To do the research, yeah.
tim pool
That's good they hired him.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And now he's got a factual piece of video.
Like, I looked at all the videos too.
I saw similar things, and I saw some journalists bring up these things.
But so long as you have many of these underpaid, low-quality, fake news... What do we call them?
What do you call them?
Activists.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Then you're going to get bad information.
lydia smith
They're basically like interns, kind of, because you're saying like the 22-year-old who writes
about Brad Pitt's junk for $50,000 a year.
tim pool
No, no, no, not the intern.
lydia smith
Not the intern.
No, they got like $10 an hour.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Then just activists.
Well, they lower the quality at the same time the journalists are getting to feel more and
more important because they have fake followers on social media because they reply to Trump.
Or to each other.
tim pool
You know, I noticed this too.
They prop up their friends to give them followings.
And that's one of the issues.
I think one of the easiest ways to explain it actually If you have one person, and they have 100,000 followers, and that one person says, hey everybody, follow Jim!
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Then Jim gets 60,000 followers.
Then Jim says, hey everybody, follow Bill!
And then Bill gets 40,000 followers.
That's still part of the same group of 100,000 from the first journalist.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's something that I think about.
I'm like, if someone recommends me followers, I'm not really getting new followers.
I'm just, we're just kind of sharing followers now.
tim pool
Exactly.
lydia smith
Like, that's not really an improvement, I don't really think.
tim pool
So this is actually a clever tactic that... I won't name the business, but... Business model.
So what you can do is you can duplicate your follower count for advertisers by creating new accounts and having people follow multiple accounts of yours.
So you create a Twitter account, you get 100,000 followers, you create a second account, and you say, hey everybody, follow me on this account too.
Then you can say, I have 150,000 followers.
You can say, I have 150,000 followers.
They imagine 150,000 people standing around when in fact it's the same 100,000.
But you do that 10 times and you have a network now and you say, our network has over a million
followers.
And it's actually the same 100,000 just following a bunch of different accounts.
lydia smith
You're gaming it.
tim pool
I mean, it's clever.
It's not technically a lie, but it's not completely honest.
So if you want to lead people to assume things... Anyway, the point I'm bringing up is, these journalists probably have a much smaller user base than they realize, but they see all these journals, all these followers, and think that they're big, when in reality it's like, you know, a smaller group between them.
Maybe not.
Maybe, you know, it's a larger group, but I think that still is a big... plays a big role in this.
lydia smith
Well, I think that's part of having a bubble in the first place, is following the same journalists and having the same ideas and kicking the same things around and retweeting to the same people and getting those retweets and comments and everything.
It's just so tiresome.
tim pool
How do you break people out of this bubble is the hardest question, I guess.
lydia smith
You gotta pop it.
tim pool
No, you can't.
We've really dived into a lot of the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff today and Trump's answers.
There's nothing I could say to my progressive SAW friends to convince them that they're wrong.
Literally nothing.
I could send them a video and be like, here's him being attacked, and they go, I don't care.
lydia smith
I don't know what to do about that.
It's ignorance and apathy.
They don't care and they don't know.
And how are you supposed to change whether someone cares about something?
tim pool
You know, Karlyn Borisenko.
I pronounced her name right, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Karlyn!
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Pronounce your name right.
lydia smith
Karlyn, we're trying.
tim pool
Yeah.
She tweeted something like, I thought Tim Cass was being hyperbolic when he talked about Civil War after seeing, what's it, Val Demings, I think her name was, say this is just what happens, you know, the guy gets shot in Portland.
lydia smith
Part and parcel, baby.
tim pool
Yeah, I may as well have just pulled a Siddiq Khan.
Paraphrasing basically that she thought I was being hyperbolic and it turns out I probably wasn't.
When a year ago, one year ago, I had some people over to my house, some video producers, and they were talking to me about potential projects and what they wanted to focus on, and I told them, here's what's going to happen in the next year and here's what you need to understand.
And I'm not kidding when I say I predicted the BLM riots 100%.
They didn't believe me.
They were like, that's ridiculous, that's crazy.
That's crazy, come on.
But my prediction was based on the fact that it already happened in 2013, 2014, 2015.
I wasn't just making up random things like, ooh, and then riots will happen over racial issues.
lydia smith
Ooh, you're looking at your crystal ball again, huh?
tim pool
I was like, this is what's going to happen next, it's going to be crazy.
And I'm like, and it's going to get bad and people are going to die.
And they're like, this is nuts.
And I'm like, it's going to be some kind of civil war, I don't know, you can call it whatever you want.
It's not going to be the way we imagined civil war, but I don't know, what else would you call it?
lydia smith
So do you think Obama made it worse?
tim pool
Definitely.
lydia smith
How so?
tim pool
So when it came to Trayvon Martin, the story between Trayvon and Zimmerman is extremely complicated.
And Zimmerman, for instance, is Hispanic.
He was like a white Hispanic guy.
lydia smith
So is Kyle.
tim pool
Kyle Rittenhouse.
right now also Hispanic. But you know Barack Obama's whole perspective on it was the left
wing perspective if I had a kid he looked like Trayvon instead of calling for unity
and saying you know we need to understand sometimes these circumstances are tragic unfortunate
and violence and death happens and that's why we need to make sure this doesn't happen
and we need to we need to expand beyond the people while respecting those who lost their
lives calling for justice recognize this is a systemic issue that needs to be solved.
What I mean, what I mean...
What I mean by systemic is like in the instance of Breonna Taylor, it's not about racism, it's about no-knock warrants.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
So Rand Paul says, hey, none of these.
And I understand some people have some good reasons for no-knock warrants.
I prefer no.
I think they have to announce themselves and they can make a perimeter.
You can't, because people have a right to defend themselves too, and you're creating a circumstance to put potentially innocent people in harm's way.
So that's one of the things he could have done.
But more importantly, it was Obama and Biden during all of that stuff.
They consistently took the left-wing view of everything.
The right was bad, of course it was.
The National Guard was deployed to Ferguson.
They sent out police, very much so under Obama's watch.
Racial tensions escalated, particularly with the Black Lives Matter.
lydia smith
See, people have a hard time believing me when I tell them that.
I'm like, I really think that Obama did more to undermine race relations in this country than you could possibly imagine that the first black president would.
And people are like, are you crazy?
tim pool
But I don't think it's that much, though.
lydia smith
You don't think it was?
tim pool
Like, OK, so listen, off the top of my head, it's the thing he mentioned, if I had a kid, Trayvon, and it's very much— Baltimore and Ferguson and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I don't think it's Trump's fault, and I don't think it was Obama's fault.
I think there's definitely things that Trump and Obama said or did that contribute.
They're the president, of course.
But I think the fault of these issues, for the most part, lands in localities.
It lands in the media, and for the most part, the media and the activists.
lydia smith
Okay, but do you think that because the media was entirely in Obama's pocket, do you think that they gave him more credence than he might have even necessarily deserved when he was saying his race-based things?
unidentified
Of course.
Absolutely.
lydia smith
Yeah, way more than they give Trump.
tim pool
And then, because they go after Trump, they fan the flames of this.
The media, in my opinion, is the biggest player here, and I think social media as well.
For instance, Cassandra Fairbanks got suspended from Twitter, she's a conservative journalist, because she tweeted that Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
They suspended her for an opinion over an individual who has not been convicted.
Yet Antifa is actively organizing on the platform.
Social media is to blame.
Media in general is to blame.
And they go hand in hand.
These fake news journalists defend censorship.
They say, but they lie.
Oh, the lies, man.
Cassandra Fairbanks gets suspended.
And they say there's no bias against conservatives.
Well, hold on.
Antifa is on the platform saying, hey, everyone we're meeting here, bring sticks.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Like, okay, I'm exaggerating.
But they'll be like, bring supplies to help defend, you know, the community.
That's okay.
lydia smith
So I would say that the media wields even more power than almost any politician.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
lydia smith
How is that okay?
tim pool
It's not okay.
Well, it's not so much whether it's okay or it's not okay.
The issue is they're unchecked.
And anybody who dares challenge them, they smear.
I mean, I'm not gonna get into it, but Gamergate, for instance, was very, like, from my view of what it was, and I probably don't know a whole lot about it, you get a bunch of people saying, hey, these journalists are taking money from the advertisers, and then they're writing bunk articles, and the next day they're like, a bunch of white supremacists are harassing us.
lydia smith
Uh-huh.
Weird, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's crazy.
tim pool
So look, I already know that even bringing it up, I'm going to get a bunch of people being like, here's what really happened.
And the left is being like, how dare you defend?
They still talk about Gamergate.
The left still says, like, Trump is the Gamergate president or whatever.
And it's like, you know what's funny?
Who was it who tweeted this?
I think it was Oliver Darcy.
Claiming that the right defending Rittenhouse is the definition of radicalization.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
That was him, right?
lydia smith
That was him.
tim pool
So he's CNN guy for Sunday morning.
And I'm just like, okay, let's play a game.
Let's define radicalization.
How about do this?
Can you Google search the word?
lydia smith
Yeah, I'll Google that right now.
tim pool
We're going to play a game.
Define radicalization.
Radicalization's definition.
Can't spell it.
What does Google say?
lydia smith
OK, it says, the action or process of causing someone to adopt radical positions on political or social issues.
Wait, this sounds like... OK, go on, what were you going to say?
tim pool
OK, so radicalization.
That's the name of the game.
All right.
Is it radical to suggest border security?
Nope.
No, because the Democrats were in favor of it a decade ago.
I mean, even Hillary Clinton in the past election cycle was saying we needed some kind of border security.
OK, OK.
Is it radical to suggest that we should bolster the economy, bring factories back and help the middle class get jobs?
lydia smith
Absolutely not.
tim pool
Okay.
I don't know.
What else do we got?
Is it radical to suggest that the United States should be able to defend itself and that its allies should pay their fair share towards defense spending when we send our troops over to their jurisdiction?
lydia smith
No, that seems fair.
tim pool
Yeah, because we've been doing it for decades.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Okay.
Is it radical to suggest we should remove our troops from the Middle East and from other unnecessary endless wars?
lydia smith
Absolutely not.
tim pool
No, because the left has been calling for it for decades.
lydia smith
Up until Trump called for it.
tim pool
Is it radical to suggest that we should overhaul and abolish our private healthcare system and replace it with pure government spending?
lydia smith
Yes.
That's completely radical.
tim pool
That's insanity.
Is it radical to suggest we should build trains and phase out air travel and ban all fossil fuels?
lydia smith
So yes, yes, because radical, if we got into the definition of radicalization, but the word radical, the root word, especially of a change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something far-reaching or thorough.
tim pool
Okay.
lydia smith
So yes, the whole planes change things.
tim pool
Is it radical to suggest we should decriminalize border crossings?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Is it radical to suggest that we should no longer deport people who enter the country illegally?
These things are all radical compared to where America's been for the past 200 years.
lydia smith
And that is far-reaching.
tim pool
Right. So obviously we can go back in time and talk about, you know,
they like to make these arguments about when citizenship became a thing and when borders became a thing,
and they became things.
And as long as I've existed in this country, we've had border security, and border patrol, and immigration services.
It is radical to me, as a regular American, to be told, abolish private healthcare, which is literally what Bernie said, I'm not exaggerating, the Green New Deal, banning fossil fuels, And a moratorium on deportations, and decriminalizing border crossings, and providing universal health care to non-citizens, I'm like, that's psychotic!
You want to inch towards this stuff?
I'll be like, okay, concessions can be made.
But to be like, right?
What do you got?
lydia smith
So this is, okay, yeah, I'll let you finish what you're thinking, but Heather Haying made this point a while ago, and this is something that Jordan Peterson talked about a little bit.
You don't fool with something that's been in place for a very long time unless you have an extremely good reason for doing so.
Because things are in place, often, for a reason.
I'm not talking about flaws in our society like racism and sexism and all that stuff.
I'm talking about things like borders.
Things that every single country in the world has.
You mess with those kinds of things, you mess with the nuclear, you mess with the family at your own peril.
These are things that you definitely do not understand.
You do not understand the implications of what you're trying to do.
And when you do radical things, that's exactly what you're doing.
And I know without a doubt by looking at people like AOC, that they're not thinking past stage one.
tim pool
This is why it's fascinating to watch Joe Biden when, I think he said something today, do I look like a dirty socialist?
unidentified
What'd he say?
Do I look like a radical socialist or whatever?
tim pool
It's like, I gotta be honest, Joe.
Yes.
I said earlier, no.
And let me make sure I can clarify this.
No in the sense that Joe Biden looks like a crotchety old man who has no idea what's going on.
lydia smith
He looks weak.
tim pool
Right.
But you know, I was thinking about it in terms of the conversation of radicalization.
I mean, Joe Biden has agreed to a lot of Bernie's proposals.
Not all of them.
He's not far left enough.
But that's radical to regular Americans.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
I mean, it's mind-blowing to me.
I think Kamala actually walked this back.
They said, like, who would be in favor of abolishing private health care?
She raised her hand, right?
lydia smith
I remember that, yeah.
tim pool
In the early debates.
And then she issued a public statement, like, later that day or night, where it was like, oh, actually, no, I don't want to do that.
lydia smith
I remember this.
tim pool
It's radical to say you want to abolish private health care.
It is radical to say you want to defund the police.
It is particularly radical for the New York Times to publish an article saying, yes, we mean abolish the police.
So who are the radicals?
It's the left.
So it's no surprise, to go back to what I was saying, that we can have these conversations, that we can get tremendous viewership, not just me but many other channels, and the media has no idea it's happening because they're in the radical bubble.
To them, Trump is far right because they're far left, whereas Trump's actually a moderate relative to American policy.
They've radicalized themselves.
And, you know, it's really sad.
I was talking to a friend, and his first foray into the actual through the fire, like the outside, what can we call this?
Basically, I think it was Breitbart who said this, walk through the fire, on the other side there's freedom.
lydia smith
Yeah, Andrew Breitbart.
tim pool
Yeah, and so there are people who are still on the other side scared, and they've not seen outside.
They have not seen the freedom, and they have not seen what's actually going on.
And then as soon as they peek their head out, they're like, ah, what's happening?
It's scary.
It's cold.
And where am I?
And it's like, you're on the beach, dude.
We're chilling.
You're on your own now.
They like being in that cave, surrounded, you know, being told what to do, told what to think.
I imagine it this way.
All of these people are sitting in a cave, and there's one person in the front of that cave telling them, here's what's happening outside.
Trust us.
There's fire.
It'll burn you.
lydia smith
Plato's cave.
tim pool
Kind of.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's what it is.
tim pool
Is it Plato's?
lydia smith
I think it is.
tim pool
But the general idea is, a bunch of people are being told, if you go outside, the fire will burn you.
Don't do it.
Just trust us and we'll tell you.
And then, you know, do work for us.
lydia smith
It's easy.
It's safe.
tim pool
And well, it's, it's, I mean, if you trust people, it makes sense.
If you grew up with someone, you know, always there for you and they told you, if you go outside, you'll die because the air is poison.
And then you grow up and finally go outside and you discover the air is not poison.
Then, you know, Rick and Morty reference, by the way, then you're like, my whole life is a lie.
What's happening?
And you might have like a, you know, what's the right word?
You might have a, an intense reaction.
lydia smith
You'll have an existential crisis for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, so a lot of people who go through this, you know, they probably resist it.
Like, when we were talking to Brendan Strzok from WalkAway, and he said that he did all this research, and he was willing to let it all go if Rachel Maddow produced some hard evidence against Trump.
Like, he had watched all these videos, he had seen that they were lying about Trump, and then Rachel Maddow said, I got his tax return.
He's like, OK, I will ignore everything I read if she has something.
lydia smith
That was such an insight because it was like, I understand that feeling because I've made some hard changes in my own thinking and I've been like, you know what?
It would be easier if this weren't true.
I would like this to not be true, but it is.
tim pool
I totally get that.
Because I think about this, but I guess You know what one of my advantages is is a bit of like existential nihilism in a sense where I feel like you should go through life with a smile on your face because I actually you know I wonder if this is kind of like faith in a sense where it's like I feel that there is a plan a purpose that the world is the world is what it is.
You're not, no one, you deserve nothing.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
You can work hard and then a rock can fall on your head and kill you.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
You know?
So I go through life under the, like, this view.
I've often thought about, like, if my channels got banned.
lydia smith
Right.
Oh yeah, I know, you think about that all the time.
tim pool
And I'd just laugh and I'd be like, well, what can you do about it?
And I think this comes from, you know, when I was younger, I remember my dad telling me, he was telling me about the Great Depression and how people were killing themselves because they lost all their money in the stock market and stuff.
And I was like, why would they do that?
And he's like, if you made a million bucks and lost it overnight, you'd be angry too.
And I'm, no, I wouldn't.
I'd be like, wow, I had a million bucks.
How about that?
Well, what do I have to do now to get what I need?
If you go through life with that kind of view, then you're not going to be this negative, angry person who's refusing to accept reality, right?
So here's the ultimate point I'm trying to make.
When I see news and it's like, you know, Donald Trump did a bad thing because the orange man is bad, my reaction isn't like, how dare they lie about Trump?
I go like, I wonder if this one's true.
Probably isn't, but I'm gonna read it anyway.
There we go, it's not true.
So I definitely develop a bias in the sense where it's like, the media lies so much, I just can't give them the benefit of the doubt.
But if something bad came out, you know, about Trump or Trump supporters, I'd just be like, uh-huh.
I just don't care.
You can't expect that your tribe is perfect.
You can't expect the world is perfect.
You can work as hard as you want.
And while I do believe meritocracy is the best way to go about, you know, Building functioning systems, you could be the greatest guy in the world doing all the hardest work in the world and then someone could walk up and just like crack you over the head with a bat and you're gone.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
So it's just you live your life day to day and you accept that there's ups and there's downs.
If bad news comes out, many people refuse to accept it.
I think because they're scared.
Their survivability is an issue.
lydia smith
I don't know if you've ever read the poem that's called If by Rudyard Kipling.
tim pool
Nope.
lydia smith
He talks about, he says, if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue or walk with kings and not lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if all men count with you but none too much, you're basically, this is what makes you a man of character.
If you look at people and you're like, you know what?
It doesn't matter what they do to me.
This is a stoic teaching at this point.
It doesn't matter what they do to me.
It only matters what I do and whether I make something of myself.
And if I lose everything, so what?
That's the way it is sometimes.
And that's probably the most well-rounded philosophy you can have when you're looking at this crazy world that's currently on fire and insane.
Like, what else are you supposed to do?
Be a little bit nihilistic, care about the people around you, do the best you can, and look for truth.
Like, what's better?
tim pool
I think I got lucky.
I had good parents.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think you're right.
tim pool
I remember I was late for school once because we lived on the south side of Chicago and there's trains that go through the south side.
And the trains, man, wow, they're long.
You ever waited a train and it's like the freight and you turn your engine off on your car because you're like, I'm going to be here for 20 minutes.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And so I remember going to school and the train blocked me and I got, I was late.
And then I was like, you know, I come home and my dad was like, you know, I was like, oh, I was late.
You got to sign a form or something.
I can't remember exactly what we used to do back then.
But he was like, well, he's like, this is your fault.
Like, why would, why, why were you late?
And I was like, it wasn't my fault.
There's a train.
And he goes, you knew the train tracks were there.
It was your fault.
If you know the tracks are there and you know the trains are there, then you need to prepare for the trains.
And I was like, oh yeah.
lydia smith
That's true, huh?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, I guess you're right.
tim pool
I can't change the train schedules.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And I knew the trains come through in the mornings.
I should have properly planned ahead.
lydia smith
I used to drive with people who would get mad at red lights.
They were like, well the light would turn green, and they were like, why aren't we moving yet?
I'm like, because the car in front of you isn't moving yet, and there is nothing you can do about that.
But you can wait until that car starts moving, and then you can go, and it's great.
tim pool
That's really it.
lydia smith
It's like... It's like running into a wall.
tim pool
What does this remind me of?
You need to let go.
You need to.
It's it's.
What am I thinking of?
I was thinking it's like some some martial arts movie where he's explaining like going with the flow and having the like like you're in a river, you know, and it's you're you're flowing downstream and you can try and resist it or you can steer yourself and use that speed and control it.
A better way to explain it is I can't control the wind, but I can adjust my sails.
lydia smith
Exactly.
unidentified
Stop.
tim pool
Getting so mad all the time.
lydia smith
Right, exactly.
tim pool
I think if you chill, and a lot of these people aren't, this is why they have these crises of character when news comes out about Trump.
It's also why I think we're experiencing what we are with Trump derangement syndrome media.
People can't accept, in their world, Trump is the evil bad man.
Therefore, no matter what happens, they view it through the lens of Trump being the evil bad man.
And so what ends up happening is they develop... It's almost amazing how their brains are stitched together at this point.
Because it's kind of like if you took, I don't know, a motor scooter and duct taped it to a car and then put like bike pedals on it.
You wouldn't expect to be able to drive.
You're like, what is this?
Like, how do you actually make it move?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But they've somehow stitched together these broken... Frankenstein thing.
This Frankenstein worldview and turned it into some kind of functioning system where they can still live, breathe and eat.
And what I mean to say, you know, because it is a bit silly, but...
You'll simultaneously be like, Trump is inciting violence.
Why won't he stop this?
How dare he send out police to stop this?
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Like, how do you have that in your brain at the exact same time?
lydia smith
I tweeted this earlier.
I said, 2020 is a year of, why won't this fascist dictator send troops to stop this peaceful rioting or something?
tim pool
Or, why won't this fascist dictator seize all our guns?
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
Or, here's an article about a, here's an interview with a woman who wrote a book called In Defense of Looting.
By the way, the looting is Trump's fault.
lydia smith
By the way, it's not happening at all and it's entirely peaceful.
It's great.
I love to see it.
tim pool
Wow.
That reminds me of that David Firth... News Hasn't Happened Yet segment.
If you guys haven't seen David Firth's stuff, you've really got to watch it because the dude's a genius.
But yeah, he has a segment called The News Hasn't Happened Yet, and that so reminds me of it.
It's like, the riots are peaceful, the fires aren't really that bad, protesters burning down buildings are also peaceful, Trump is inciting this, he didn't actually say anything to incite it, and he's sending out troops because he's a fascist, but the troops actually aren't there, and looting is actually a good thing.
lydia smith
Yes.
All of these things.
No one sees any issue with this at all.
tim pool
Except maybe us.
So I guess the way I put it, though, it has to actually be the most negative interpretation.
Always.
Right.
Trump is trying to send out Gestapo secret police to round up protesters while he's inciting the violence and he won't stop the violence because it's Trump's America and looting is good because the protesters are doing it and it's reparations.
lydia smith
You know, what's funny to me is if you sat them down and you asked them to explain what they were thinking, you know they wouldn't be able to.
And that baffles me.
How do you go through life without being able to explain what you think?
tim pool
Well, here it is, right?
Yeah.
How do you break people out of this broken worldview?
lydia smith
There's nothing to break them into.
tim pool
Well, no, there is like to get them out and show them like, so I was talking to a friend of mine who was very much like experiencing their first time through the flames.
And I sent him an article and they're like, huh?
And you can clearly see when people starting to realize, like, wait a minute, like, what is, what is this all about?
The things I was reading before said this, that the Orange Man is bad.
And I'm like, here's a video.
Just watch Trump speak one time.
I've mentioned this several times, but having gone to Trump's rallies early on, I think, inoculated me from Trump derangement syndrome because it changed my assumptions.
I met Trump supporters immediately.
I watched Trump speak immediately.
And then when I saw stuff in the news, I was like, hey, you didn't say that.
Whatever.
But I was working for companies, experiencing them.
Why?
So, you know.
lydia smith
That's great.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
I always tell people, if you think that you know what the media is doing, you should just watch Trump speak and then watch what they say about it.
Because I always kind of place my bets.
I'm like, which way are they going to go with this?
Are they going to go two different ways?
Different outlets are going to say different things about the same thing that was said?
tim pool
They do.
They do.
lydia smith
They totally do.
It's great.
Every time.
tim pool
Do you see the, let me see if I can find it.
It's an old Instagram post.
Where, it wasn't, I didn't put this tweet together, but I wasn't able to properly attribute the photo because it was put together by someone with a very offensive name that would get me banned from Instagram.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So I was like, I don't know, I can't even say the name because it's gonna result in, like, getting banned, but check this out.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
So this is a post I put on Instagram, and I think, I think I mentioned this, I don't know, whatever.
But anyway, you've got two screens.
This is amazing.
This is in a gym.
On the left, you've got CBS.
Sondland confirms a quid pro quo.
This is in reference to Gordon Sondland testifying about Donald Trump and Ukraine.
On the right is Fox News.
Quote, I want nothing.
Sondland confirms Trump told him no quid pro quo.
You quite literally have two different news outlets reporting two different things being confirmed.
lydia smith
They have the same image on the screen.
tim pool
Yep.
Different chyrons.
Exactly.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So here's what I said.
I said, two different realities, and it's impossible to convince people what's true, but I'll try anyway.
Sondland did not confirm quid pro quo.
He stated that he presumed there was one, but received no direct orders, and heard nothing of this from any other staffer.
He did confirm that Donald Trump said, I want nothing.
Sondland's testimony of a presumed quid pro quo was contradicted by two other officials.
Trump confirmed the I want nothing call.
Maybe that's journalism, you know?
lydia smith
To offer differing viewpoints?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
To actually do what I just did and say straight up, you've got these two screens.
Fox News was correct.
CBS lied.
lydia smith
Right, so just pick which is right.
tim pool
That's crazy, man.
And so what happens is, when you have this for four years, and people build a worldview off of this, you can't change that because they'll go insane.
They'll have a nervous breakdown.
lydia smith
Well that's what I mean there's nothing to pop them out of like there's nothing to pop them into out of their little bubble where do you go from there they've been building this for years and there's there's nothing and if you sit them that's what I mean if you sit them down and ask them to explain what they're thinking they have nothing.
tim pool
This feels like a grand experiment in like mass delusional mass like media induced paranoid delusional complexes or whatever.
lydia smith
Yeah it's working great.
tim pool
Yeah, like that woman we talked about last week where she's like, Trump is an autocrat trying to take over and Putin's helping him.
It's like, dude, you're crazy.
lydia smith
Go watch a movie or something.
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy.
Like, how about Donald Trump is a, you know, kind of a pompous... Flawed president.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Getting stuff done.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Seth MacFarlane tweeted something about voting for Biden.
And I was just thinking to myself, like, there's no way he really means this.
Seth is smart.
He's a smart guy.
He's got 14 million followers.
Does he, like, it's just a game to him?
He's like, well, you know, Trump is bad.
Vote for Biden.
I'm like, nobody who's paying attention thinks that Biden is better than Trump.
Nobody's paying attention.
The people who are wrapped up in bubble world where they're watching fake news certainly think Trump is like a demon from outer space who are like, you know, the child of a demon and an alien or something trying to eat human beings and destroy the planet.
He's an autocrat.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And, you know, he's responsible for the riots while refusing to do anything—whatever.
I don't think any sane person who watches Real News and does research is thinking Biden makes more sense.
The dude just did, like, his first rally in, what, like 100 days or some ridiculous number, and he couldn't speak properly.
And it's remarkable.
You turn on CNN and they're like, Trump supporters for some reason think Biden can't speak.
And I'm like, have you watched his rallies?
Nobody is suggesting that the entire hour he spoke was him just like teeth falling out.
But he gaffes.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
All the time.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That one wasn't a gaffe, dude.
When he was like, can you believe in a year?
We had, you know, a hundred year.
It's, you know, more deaths in a hundred years than a year.
And I'm like, I don't know what you're trying to say, dude.
lydia smith
I'm telling you, man.
Nursing home flashbacks.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, it's really sad, man.
lydia smith
It's too bad.
tim pool
Well, I don't know what we do other than maybe we do just stay home, make money, and vote.
lydia smith
I think you should keep journalism-ing the journalists.
tim pool
I mean, commentary for the most part.
lydia smith
You know, like, watching The Watchmen.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Well, yeah, definitely.
The good news we have for everybody right now is we have finally secured the new facilities.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
Now we just need to get them to lay internet line down because it's in the middle of nowhere.
lydia smith
We do need internet, yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, in order to do a live show, you need good internet, and I don't think it'll be available yet.
It might be, it might be actually, yeah.
So we're gonna try it out, but in order to lay down real internet, because it's like the 1912 phone line that they're trying, you know.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
DSL, I'm kidding by the way.
But yeah, it's the old school lines, and I'm glad it has any internet at all.
If we want to get the high quality stuff for the show, we've got to lay actual fiber optic lines, because it's the middle of nowhere.
And, uh, that's gonna be fun, but it's a massive place, we've got a lot of plans, and that's the good news, which means I'm definitely gonna be looking for people to do fact-checking.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Because there's a bunch of stories that I've gone through, and they're like, I'll do a segment and it'll just be tweets.
And I'll be like, here's a bunch of tweets from people.
Yeah, we need someone to fact check and write it up and so I'm gonna be probably hiring a couple people to handle that at the new place out in the middle of nowhere.
So if you want to live in a hippie shack, you know, there you go.
Out in the middle of nowhere, campground, you get a TV.
Anyway, let's do Super Chats!
lydia smith
Let's do it.
tim pool
Let's jump to Super Chats, everybody.
Thank you all so much for the Super Chats.
This is a big show, but don't forget you can subscribe because we're live every Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
Unfortunately, Kimberly Klasick wasn't able to come.
She was supposed to be our guest today, but we have guests coming tomorrow.
lydia smith
Yeah, we have Elijah Schaefer tomorrow.
tim pool
Yes, from Slightly Offensive.
lydia smith
Yes, and we have Drew Hernandez with Lives Matter.
tim pool
On Wednesday.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Sweet.
lydia smith
And then on Friday, we have Michael Malice.
I'm excited.
tim pool
Yeah, they're all really cool people.
lydia smith
I'm excited for this week.
tim pool
But also make sure to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Twitter, Instagram, and Parler.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
At Timcast.
And you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
Look, I put the names back up.
lydia smith
Oh, you put the names back up.
tim pool
There you are.
On Twitter and Parler.
But we're going to read you some Super Chats.
We got one here from Jim Farm.
Luke 628.
Blessed those who curse.
You pray for those who mistreat you.
With that in mind, here is a prayer.
May the Lord Jesus Christ bless those in Antifa, and may he lead them out of Antifa into the truth.
I have tremendous respect for that.
lydia smith
That's good compassion.
tim pool
And I want to make sure I stress...
I am upset by any violence and death, okay?
I don't like to see it.
A lot of people, you know, when I saw that video of the dude in Portland getting gunned down, and you see his friend being held back screaming?
lydia smith
Dude, that made me cry a little bit.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gut-wrenching.
unidentified
It's awful.
tim pool
But I'll tell you what, I don't like these Antifa rioters or whatever, but when I heard the story about the girlfriend screaming for her boyfriend who got shot in the heart, I felt the same way.
I don't want anybody to experience that pain.
I don't care if they're bad people.
lydia smith
I just keep saying I'm sad that we're here.
It doesn't matter who's dying in the street.
I don't care.
It sucks.
tim pool
You know, they're going to say bad things about the dude who got shot.
They say it was self-defense and all that stuff.
And I'm just like, all right, I don't care.
I get it.
There's a divide here.
But I'll tell you what, watching people get gunned down in the street is not a good thing.
And that's why I'm like, man, I pray that the Patriot Prayer guys do not go out for retaliation.
But I can get that feeling watching that video of your friend or being that dude who watched him just get gunned down in the street.
Law enforcement needs to handle this.
Trump said it.
The friend of the victim who was there said the same thing.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's how you win.
You let the law enforcement handle this.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the way you do it.
lydia smith
I may need to do their work.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
But I appreciate the super chat.
I hope the same thing.
I hope they find their way out and can break free.
Jay Bosquez says, Tim Chacho, first, until sued for every virtual cent,
twinkler and fascist book need equal red and rainbow checks and thumbs up.
Second, WTF lock, 6% of actual woohoo virus deaths.
So, I want to make sure I get this one very, very clear.
Also, hit the like button if you haven't yet.
So the CDC updated their numbers.
They said 6% of the deaths were only COVID-19.
Yes.
And 94% of the COVID deaths were with comorbidities.
There's two contextual analyses coming out of this.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
On the right, it's that the deaths that people died from something and they also had COVID, whereas the left is saying people died from COVID and they also had these things.
Get it?
lydia smith
Kind of.
tim pool
So basically, the argument is, what did someone truly die from?
Right.
6% truly died from COVID, according to what was written down.
lydia smith
And absolutely nothing else.
tim pool
But that's not the point.
The point is, the right is saying 94% of people died from something else, and they had COVID.
The left is saying 94% died from COVID, and they had something else.
Get it?
lydia smith
Ah, yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
The problem is, only one contextual analysis is allowed.
Right.
lydia smith
Why is that?
There should be nuance.
tim pool
Because of bias.
And there should be, because if we want to have conversations about how to properly reopen and save our society, then we need a proper debate.
And instead of banning people who say potentially the wrong thing, you need to have them engage in the conversation and then correct it.
Instead they ban them.
lydia smith
Okay.
This kind of bothers me because I did work at a hospital.
A comorbidity is something that most people might not be familiar with.
A comorbidity is just some disease that you have along with something else.
I think what people are not understanding is that most Americans, given the standard American diet and also the age of the people who are infected with coronavirus, COVID-19, whatever, tend to have comorbidities.
That means that those things get recorded on the cause of death.
tim pool
But that would mean that the people did die of COVID.
lydia smith
Right.
It's a factor.
Yes.
tim pool
So I guess the idea is people are saying only 6% actually died from COVID.
The rest didn't.
That's wrong.
lydia smith
That is not correct.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Right.
lydia smith
Influencing factor.
Yeah.
And not something that should be discounted.
Like we should have nuance.
And I wanted to shout out this doctor I was following, but I forget his tag.
tim pool
Well, now you can't shout him out.
lydia smith
I missed my chance.
tim pool
TheGrizzly says GamerGate started when a female game dev slept with a bunch of reviewers in order to get good reviews.
She then abused her boyfriend as well to make sure she got good reviews, and now she works at DC Comics.
Game journos are despicable human beings.
I'm sorry TheGrizzly, you're wrong.
Journalists are just okay.
I'm not gonna they're gonna get so mad at me.
I'm gonna get all these hippies.
I remember a tech journalist telling me that tech journalism was the bottom the bottom rung of journalist society because they get free products and write about them.
So I'll tell you this.
I was told this by a tech journalist.
He said, company says we got a brand new smartphone coming out.
We're going to give it to you.
Write a review on it.
Guess what happens?
lydia smith
You're gonna say real good things about it.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Guess what happens if you write a bad review about it?
They stop calling you up.
So of course they're gonna be like, it's the best phone ever!
Unless it's really bad.
But if it's a fine phone, like it's a great phone, it feels great, then they get the next one.
And they keep getting sent free phones months in advance, and they show off to all their friends, look I got the new super phone or whatever.
lydia smith
That seems almost corrupt.
tim pool
Literally is correct.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But that's why this journalist guy was telling me that he was a tech journalist.
lydia smith
And he was like, this is disgusting.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, and he was very strict about his ethics policies.
It was actually impressive.
lydia smith
Good.
tim pool
And he was ragging on journalism.
lydia smith
For sure.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think now he's a Trump supporter too, for real.
lydia smith
How funny.
You gotta look him up, man.
I talked to him.
tim pool
Zach Jordan says, I'm a 26 year old army veteran.
I have not voted for anyone since turning 18.
What has happened in this country over the course of this year, you reporting on it and encouraging people to look many places for info has made me aware I will be this year.
Interesting.
There's a story out of the Military Times, I think, saying that the military is going to be voting for Biden.
lydia smith
I don't believe it.
tim pool
I don't believe it either.
lydia smith
I do not believe it.
tim pool
You got Donald Trump coming out being like, the Trumps are the best.
We want to support the Trumps.
We want to support the troops.
Give them a raise.
Joe Biden doesn't say anything.
He hides in the basement.
lydia smith
Having been raised in a military town, I'm just going to say there's no freaking way.
There's no way.
They're the most patriotic people.
This is the reason why the town I grew up in was conservative.
It's because of the military.
There's no way.
tim pool
Seth Tompkins says Andy Ngo just tweeted that both county sheriffs named by Oregon's governor in her plan have said no to helping her.
LOL.
Love the show.
Spin the UFO.
lydia smith
I'm going to have to look that up.
tim pool
Wow!
Is that, that's true?
lydia smith
I will look it up.
tim pool
Man.
lydia smith
After I do this.
tim pool
Oregon.
lydia smith
First things first.
tim pool
Bernard Frawnapple says, Big fan of the show.
Tim, you report 30 plus people have died since the Floyd riots.
Is there a good source for this to share with friends who don't recognize the destruction?
Thanks and keep up the great work.
I just referenced the Wikipedia page for the George Floyd protests, which mention 14,000 arrests and 30 dead.
You'd think 14,000 arrests would constitute the article to be called George Floyd riots, but sure.
But it does have a list of all of the deaths.
So yeah.
Adam Schmidt, thank you for the super chat.
Hesim Retna says, As always, keep up the great work.
Message Cernovich on Twitter.
Not sure he will reply.
Your opinion?
Could the news networks be sued for inciting a riot due to false reporting, endangering the public trust, or does Section 230 prevent that?
Well, Section 230 doesn't have anything to do with TV.
It's internet-based.
But no, they're entitled to their opinions.
It's a First Amendment thing.
They can say stupid things.
If they tell you to do something, then, you know, if they tell people, like, hey, go do this.
A.H.
Glassman says, Illusory truth effect.
A 70s psych study that concluded consistent repetition of false info as the truth will teach the mind to perceive a fallacy as reality.
When confronted with the actual truth, subjects were irrational.
Makes sense?
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Makes absolute sense.
Alright, let's see here.
We'll jump up to the first of our chats.
Man, it always happens.
There's like cat hair or something in the air.
Gets me.
Allergies.
I get it, man.
I hear ya.
That's frustrating.
NFL team said that the US was founded in racist ideals. I don't want to support such an ignorant view of our history
I get it man. I hear you Archerable 26 says me to the media show me how to lie
Show me how to lie. You're getting better all the time and turning all against the one is an art. That's hard to teach
I remember this song dr. Certifiable says hey have followed Ben Swan stuff. He'd be
Ben Swan's cool.
I haven't followed him in a really long time, but I know the name.
I don't know if I was retweeted.
lydia smith
It was like a deluded like.
tim pool
No, no.
Here's the thing.
It was.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I think the reason Trump liked my tweet and got rid of all other likes is to do more than retweet it.
lydia smith
To put a point on it.
tim pool
If Trump just retweeted me, it would have been gone in an hour.
lydia smith
Yep, it's down in the timeline.
tim pool
By getting rid of all of his likes and liking only my thread, he made sure that anybody who goes to his page can see it dedicated.
And so I'm like, you're gonna get me in trouble.
unidentified
Please stop.
tim pool
No, that's fine.
I don't care.
lydia smith
But I do like how no one has mentioned you.
tim pool
That's so strange.
They didn't even mention the thread.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Or I'm sorry, they mention the thread, they don't actually read it because... Of course not.
unidentified
Heaven forbid.
lydia smith
Why would they read things?
tim pool
Yeah, I think one of the challenges for a lot of the mainstream outlets is they'd have to be like, Tim Pool describes himself as a disaffected liberal who supported Bernie Sanders in 2016 and has now decided to vote for Trump.
lydia smith
Yeah, they really don't want to get into that.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think they do.
I don't think they want people to realize it's a thing that exists because it would show people that you're not alone.
If you're somebody who's sick and tired of what the Democrats are doing, they don't want people to know that.
They want you to think you are alone to sit down, shut up, and vote for what we tell you to vote for.
lydia smith
Nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
Henry Allen says, Tim, blessings.
Wisconsin is watching.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Ground Floor Guthrie says, that face when you become the news.
I gotta admit, it was weird when, you know, it was Lydia.
She was like, did Trump like your tweet?
And I'm like, oh, I don't know.
Like, Don, Trump Jr.
retweeted me or something.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Because, you know, he follows me.
And I was like, I don't know, whatever.
And I didn't realize the severity of Trump removing all the likes and then just putting mine.
Like, read this thread it says.
And I'm like, oh jeez, dude.
lydia smith
That's like kind of freaking out about it.
tim pool
When Trump Jr. retweeted it, some outlets wrote an article and it was like so poorly framed.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
Yeah.
So yeah.
lydia smith
I expect nothing less.
tim pool
They were like, Tim Pool, who has a right-wing audience.
Dude.
lydia smith
OK.
tim pool
It's really funny because people who pay attention know that like my audience is mostly moderate.
lydia smith
Yeah, pretty libertarian.
tim pool
Pretty libertarian, yeah.
We did a poll and found that the biggest self-identified group were libertarian, followed by Trump supporters, then liberals, and there was even like three or four percent who consider themselves to be progressive leftists.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah.
Really interesting.
I mean, I've gotten messages from people who watch, who are very, like, social justice progressive, who are very polite and nice to me.
You know, the message to me being like, I appreciate listening to what you have to say.
I think you're really, really, really wrong.
There have been some progressive, like, That's great.
Basically people like AOC who have messaged me saying they're a big fan.
And I'm like, even though I kind of rag on your ideas and everything, like yeah, but
it's not bad.
lydia smith
You know what I mean?
I find a trend with people who write to you and people who comment on your stuff are people
who say, I don't agree with everything you say, but I like the fact that you entertain
different ideas and you actually appear to be looking for the truth.
tim pool
I guess so.
lydia smith
I think that everybody can respect that.
tim pool
I think that's what I'm doing, but I think I'm biased.
I don't know.
lydia smith
You could be.
tim pool
I'm like, Democrats are bad all day.
lydia smith
You know, right now they're the baddies.
tim pool
They are pretty bad.
And I often self-reflect and I'm like, why are they so bad?
And I'm like, I remember we were talking once and I was like, how many videos did I do about Democrats panicking?
lydia smith
We keep doing that.
We were trying to make thumbnails.
I'm like, are they panicking again?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm like, I can't do like a fifth panicking video this week, can I?
But the article literally says, once again, the Democrats are panicking.
I'm like, are they lying about this?
And then it's like, they name a Democrat.
And it was like, you know, John Smith, an operative for this organization, is saying, we're really shocked by this.
And I'm like, I guess they're panicking.
They've been in a panic since Trump won.
lydia smith
They're so disorganized.
tim pool
Yeah, they've never stopped freaking out.
lydia smith
They have no leadership.
They're crumbling.
tim pool
Seriously.
Dr. Rollergator says, I looked outside my window and didn't see anyone dying of coronavirus, so I don't know what the heck Biden was talking about this afternoon.
What, did he say something about that?
lydia smith
No, he was talking about, like, how many people had died.
Like, 101 year, 100, you know, things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't, yeah.
So somebody tweeted a picture of D.C.
and they're like, oh, this is scary.
People are like walking by in the park.
And I was like, oh, so is this Trump's America?
Or, I mean, I'm just curious now.
tim pool
They're like, D.C.
seems crazy right now with people in the park.
I'm like, Trump's America seems pretty good, huh?
lydia smith
Yeah, seems great, right?
Pretty chillin'.
tim pool
There's a meme, it's really funny.
It's a guy drowning.
It's like Biden.
And then Trump's in a helicopter and he's like, you know, quick, accept federal assistance.
I'm like, no, go away.
And then as the helicopter leaves, they yell, this is Trump's America.
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
tim pool
Let's see, Talbot Link says, I showed my dad an unedited video of the Molotov toss as the kid in Kenosha after the Brightness washed video in the news Friday night.
Couldn't see the flames.
He said the vid I showed was edited because it was longer.
The guy threw a plastic bag.
He didn't throw a Molotov.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Yeah, Rosenbaum was chasing after Rittenhouse.
He threw what appears to be a plastic bag.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Absolutely.
For sure.
running, someone raised their gun into the air and fired a shot into the air.
Rittenhouse turned and then Rosenbaum lunged at him and tried grabbing the gun and that's
when Rittenhouse fired.
Right.
And the legal statement was that he feared they would take the gun and use it on him.
Absolutely.
Yeah, they may have.
For sure.
Let's see.
Devon H. says, Hey Tim, I've been thinking some about Thucydides' trap.
The definition refers to international adversaries.
However, do you think it could work on a smaller scale, i.e.
the regressive left v. liberalism?
The general idea, maybe.
I guess you can frame it this way.
Thucydides' trap is that whenever a dominant power is challenged by a rising power, it results in war.
So you have the dominant power, liberalism, being challenged by the rising power, progressivism.
Will it lead to war?
I don't necessarily think so.
It's not the same thing.
But maybe.
I think the bigger issue is that the progressive left in this country is so divergent from the rest of American society, that's what's going to lead to chaos.
And they're small but growing.
And it is a cult-like ideology.
lydia smith
Well, they are the element of instability.
Like, you can look at the center, you can look at the right, and there is not this far-flung ideology, these crazy fanatic people.
tim pool
I got an email from a Democrat asking if I would support them, and I said, like I do, you know, it was from the volunteer from the campaign, does so-and-so support the repeal of Prop 209 in California?
And they responded with, you know, we're not based in California, but I assure you we can discuss ways in which the candidate will help fulfill affirmative action goals.
And I was like, you just answered the question.
lydia smith
Yeah, wrong answer.
tim pool
You are supporting.
So the trick is, Repealing Prop 209 strips the civil rights language from the California Constitution, and they call it advancing affirmative action.
lydia smith
Tricky.
tim pool
So they'll say, well, we're not so sure on that, but we do want to advance affirmative action.
I know exactly what they're saying.
They want discrimination law.
They want to be able to discriminate.
They want pro-discrimination.
lydia smith
Or they're paying so little attention that they would vote yes on it.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
That's scary.
Alright, let's see what we got.
Arthur Wilcox says, Kyle Rittenhouse was videoed beating up a girl.
It's making things look different.
So the charges he had before stem from that.
He got caught speeding after the incident.
Interesting.
Well, I'm not saying the kid is good, and I think the kid was foolish to be out there, and I think the kid's worthy of criticism.
I also think if you chase after someone, and someone fires a gun, and they throw something at you, You're not going to convince me that the kid wasn't defending himself just because the earlier day he was a bad person.
lydia smith
I would say that this is almost on par with the guy who, okay, so the guy who shot the gentleman in Portland the other day.
People were saying that he was basically a criminal because he had brought a gun to a protest in the past.
tim pool
I don't like that.
lydia smith
I don't think that matters.
Just like I don't think it matters that you have a tussle with somebody.
I don't care who you hit.
Seriously, as a 17-year-old, especially as somebody who's brawling, because I saw the video, I don't think it's enough.
tim pool
The guy in Portland who had gotten arrested previously with a gun, this is a tough one.
I see a lot of conservatives mentioning that he should have been in jail and I'm like,
yeah, he should have.
And if the DA had followed the law, he'd have been in jail or he wouldn't have had the gun
and this wouldn't have happened.
However, on the grand scale, the 2A argument shall not be infringed.
lydia smith
Should be absolute.
tim pool
So I think the way I look at it right now is my preferred view of it, idealistically, is he's a murderer.
Charge him with murder.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
And we can always talk about what could have been.
But here, you know, right.
lydia smith
Sure you can.
tim pool
But I don't like the idea that people are going to say something like, if only we took his gun away, then he wouldn't have murdered somebody.
lydia smith
I don't like that line of thought.
tim pool
That's the gun control argument.
That is.
However, I think right now the argument is the law is the law.
And if he broke the law, then what he should have done is, after he got arrested for it, filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the gun law, and then potentially tried to get it overturned.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
That's the process.
So theoretically, if the system was upheld the way it was designed, the way they claim they want it to be, this could have been prevented.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So that I understand.
They are the ones in Portland and the left arguing for gun control.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
This was the one time they didn't uphold their own standard and now someone's dead because of it.
So I understand there's hypocrisy there.
lydia smith
There definitely is.
tim pool
My idealistic version is he's a murderer.
lydia smith
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
He's an alleged murderer.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I believe in the Second and Fifth Amendments.
I believe in all the amendments.
lydia smith
Yeah, of course.
That'd be great.
Well, and if he were committed to murdering someone, if he were really wanting to go after a Trump supporter, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd done it with a machete or a gun or a blunt object.
He would have made it happen.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
If he wanted to do it, he would have done it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, look, I think guns definitely make it easier.
lydia smith
Make it quick.
tim pool
If he had a blunt object, I don't think anybody would have died.
If he had a knife, somebody would have died.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But, because pepper spray is not going to do anything.
But, I mean...
I don't know man. It's if people want to find a way they're gonna find a way. If they were
hunting people down he would have gone up behind him over and hit him over the back of the head.
You know what I mean? The gun just made it brazen. In fact there's an advantage in that the gun made
it loud and obvious. Yes. So there's video of it happening.
Yeah. And you can see him running.
I imagine if it was a quiet stealth attack with a knife or something we might not even have known
lydia smith
We wouldn't have found him until the next morning.
tim pool
We wouldn't have found him at all.
There'd just be a guy who slumped over.
I don't know what happened.
Someone ran up to him and then ran off.
So, I don't know.
Pros and cons.
It's hard to know exactly, right?
You mean like Bill de Blasio?
Tim, maybe a theory, but what if the entire riot craziness and businesses killing it is
actually to drive people out of dem cities to hijack real estate market?
What if elitists just want to buy that sweet dirt cheap real estate?
I mean, Bill de Blasio said he...
lydia smith
You mean like Bill de Blasio?
tim pool
Yeah, he said it's exactly what he wanted to do.
lydia smith
He's like, I'm buying it up, everybody's buying it up.
exactly what he wanted to do.
tim pool
I like that conspiracy theory.
That's why he's doing it on purpose.
He wants to create public housing.
But you know what my preferred conspiracy theory is?
I'm not going to frame it in this way.
I'm just going to tell you this.
Everything that's happening is benefiting us in the event of a full-scale war with China.
lydia smith
I like that conspiracy theory.
It's a little bit positive.
tim pool
Not even so much about being a conspiracy theory, but just what has happened has benefited
this country if a war were to break out.
Our cities are decentralizing.
People are going to other areas.
Jobs are becoming essential only.
People are arming to the teeth.
lydia smith
More people are working from home.
Another thing I noticed that seems maybe a little bit petty was that now when you go to the store you don't get the selection you used to.
And this might just be because I'm a girl, but you're being honed in.
You're being a little less spoiled.
tim pool
You're being conditioned to expect less.
Look, people would go in there and be like, I want strawberry koala yummies and vanilla koala yummies.
And now they don't have them and they go...
Well, where are they?
Now it's like there's milk, bread, and eggs.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
If there's a food shortage and a real crisis, also the supply chain being disrupted.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Manufacturing coming back.
I talked about this years ago.
I was like, man, if China wanted to and they just cut off manufacturing, we'd be done.
lydia smith
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
Over.
So before we go to war, all of these things need to have happened.
So maybe that's bad news.
lydia smith
But all I can say is... It is happening.
I mean, maybe it is positive that it's happening.
Maybe it's what we need right now.
Who knows?
I guess we'll see, right?
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Where are we at?
We got one right here.
Dragon Warrior says, I'm from Kenosha.
Man, love the show.
Pray for us.
I hope it doesn't get crazier after tomorrow.
Probably will move soon.
It's been getting worse.
Four years.
Wow, man.
I think... What's Kenosha?
It's like a half an hour north of Chicago, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, something like that.
tim pool
It's really close.
Yeah, because in Milwaukee, I think it's like an hour and a half.
I've only ever been to Milwaukee, I think, three times, and I lived in Chicago, and it's kind of weird.
You'd imagine, like, you live from Chicago.
lydia smith
It's a different state, right?
tim pool
Yeah, but it's like an hour and a half drive.
It's not even that far away.
Except, I guess people in Chicago complain because the people in Milwaukee brew beer, and then it flows down all the garbage into Chicago, and then we swim in it.
lydia smith
That's not nice.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got.
Eric Postechuk says, I really feel like Donald Trump needs to press the fact the law requires that a governor must accept federal approval.
It seems like the left is baiting Trump to seem fascist and blaming him when he isn't.
Yes, it's like...
No matter what he does!
It's a trap!
Exactly, exactly.
But that's why I think... I don't think he should invoke the Insurrection Act for the most... Like, I lean in that direction.
It's hard to know what to do for sure.
But I see a lot of conservatives saying, do it, invoke this.
And I'm kinda like, the Insurrection Act, in my opinion, should be when a city is completely broken.
Like, in 1991.
lydia smith
These cities seem a little broken to me.
tim pool
No, they seem like Portland, for instance, has violence popping up.
Well, I guess in terms of COVID, for sure.
But in Kenosha, where you have rioting over a few days, it's not the same as the L.A.
riots.
It's not the same.
So we're really, really close to it.
I'm just saying we're not at that point yet where civil society is broken down and isn't functioning and Trump has to restore everything back to the way it was.
lydia smith
We have so many cities right now that are up in arms.
tim pool
That's the other problem.
Can Trump deploy troops to secure every city?
And if he can't, then should he just wait and do a triage kind of thing?
lydia smith
This has kind of been bothering me because I'm like, what if we don't have enough National Guard?
What if we don't have enough troops to keep everyone in line?
tim pool
I think we do.
lydia smith
And I trust our military, like, implicitly.
tim pool
I think it's very easy to crush these riots and arrest the extremists.
The problem is the DA in Portland is letting them go.
lydia smith
That is what it comes down to.
It doesn't matter if you arrest them, if nothing happens.
tim pool
If they just get released.
lydia smith
Right.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
So we don't need as many police.
But I think for the most part, Trump should hold back a little bit.
And the Insurrection Act should be for a point when the city is in absolute chaos 24-7 and nothing is stopping.
lydia smith
Last resort.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
That makes sense.
tim pool
And especially now, if Trump did it, they'd just be like, oh no, we're under, we're being taken over, and then they'd secede, or whatever dumb thing they were talking about doing.
lydia smith
Cool.
tim pool
Well, that was the war games thing they talked about, seceding the West Coast.
unidentified
All right, let's see, where are we at?
tim pool
I read that one, and I read the one about Andy Ngo.
And let's see, Connor Astrin says, the philosophy Tim and Lydia have added to my mind really has helped me.
Oh, appreciate it.
lydia smith
I'm glad, happy to hear it.
tim pool
Well, Lydia's a big fan of stoicism.
lydia smith
I am.
Yeah.
I'm a nerd.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
Yeah, it's really just about what's dramatically different for Americans.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And if you want to overhaul the entire system overnight, it's radical.
lydia smith
Well, everything looks different to a different country.
Like, what is radical in Germany is not radical in the U.S.
and vice versa.
Just what you're used to.
tim pool
What I think is really funny is Well, I think, I'll just be reiterating the same point, that the left thinks being a normal American is radical.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what they're saying.
And Joe Biden adopting any one of Bernie's policies, or even negotiating, is radicalization.
Trump is moderate, he's in the middle.
Yeah.
That's from the New York Times and from Vox, man.
Colin N. says, honest question, at what angle could Kyle have shot the dude in the head?
His first rounds hit him in the groin.
If he grabbed the barrel, how would it have passed his head?
I don't know.
My bigger question is, how'd he get hit in the back?
lydia smith
Yeah.
He turned?
tim pool
He, like, got hit, and then he spun?
lydia smith
That's what somebody was commenting.
I found that tweet you made, and they're like, maybe he turned.
I don't know.
tim pool
The Gym says, Hey Tim, relatively new viewer, and I dig that you're willing to flex your opinions based on evidence.
A rare trait these days.
P.S.
I'd love to see you talk with Don from Plebeian Media.
Cheers.
I'm not familiar, but we'll look into it.
That's so smart.
Robert Stratton says, don't bring logos to a pathos fight.
What was that?
lydia smith
Pathos is feelings.
Logos is logic.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
There you go.
Chris Clark says, make a beanie Faraday cage so when everyone has Neuralink they won't
get hacked.
lydia smith
That's a great idea.
That's so smart.
tim pool
I like it.
Megan Stewart says, no Biden, no Trump.
Choose Unity 2020.
Check it out.
This is crazy.
Twitter and Facebook, I think?
And Facebook?
lydia smith
I believe it was Facebook as well.
tim pool
Banned the Articles of Unity.
lydia smith
Yeah, like why?
Who are they afraid of?
I don't know.
tim pool
That's so weird.
unidentified
Unity.
tim pool
Yeah.
Scary.
This is creepy.
So it's Brett Weinstein's project, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
The Unity 2020 is to find two people that the left and the right agree on and have them run together and then switch vice president, president every term or whatever until America gets back on track.
I think it's a clever idea.
I just think it's idealistic and not realistic.
But I like the idea.
To me, it's just a third-party run.
That's all it is.
You could say Joe Jorgensen is the real option.
You could say the Green Party is the option.
You could say unity is the option.
My bigger fear is that the Democrats are allowing identitarianism to take over in this country, and that is a direct threat to my family.
lydia smith
That's a more immediate threat.
tim pool
Yeah.
And Trump isn't that bad.
Like, I don't know what, you know, when people talk about voting third party, I'm like, Trump isn't at all like the past Republicans.
lydia smith
I think there's a time to be idealistic and there's a time to be pragmatic.
tim pool
Yeah.
I've never been a big fan of that, like, you know, oh no, we have to stop, you know, the Democrats.
I really hate it.
Like, I've grown up with this idea of voting against someone.
Trump is the lesser of two evils, blah.
lydia smith
But this year I kind of feel like we do have to stop the Democrats.
This is the first time I've ever felt like this.
I voted third party in 2016.
tim pool
But there were people who were screaming that, you know, Obama was the end.
And South Park made an episode about it where everyone's like, and I'm like, so I do see the rise of intersectionality as overtaking over time and it needs to be stopped and we need to have a big cultural push against it.
And I've seen, you know, professors and historians say there's never been a time like this in history.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
But Trump isn't that bad.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
So I look at him.
That's a huge deal.
Yeah, they dismissed that.
I'm like, how dare you?
five presidents. Yeah. All right. I know. I'm like, how how dare you. And his his
rhetoric. He's cleaned up his act for sure. And he's his his agenda is it's
lydia smith
it's agreeable. It is not radical. Right.
tim pool
And so in that case, I'm like, I don't know.
I don't think Trump's that bad.
I'm not, I don't feel like I'd be voting for less or two evils.
I feel like I'd be voting for someone who's not my first, second, third, fourth, fifth choice or whatever, but someone who I can be like, yeah, whatever, you know, he's all right.
The media lies about him endlessly.
He's clearly not a Republican.
That's for sure.
lydia smith
The media doesn't like him.
That's almost good enough for me.
tim pool
I think the media does like him.
lydia smith
I think they need him, and I think they know it.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
They like his, like, TV attitude.
tim pool
They wouldn't exist if he wasn't president.
lydia smith
It's true.
tim pool
Their ratings were gone.
lydia smith
I see Ryan Long.
tim pool
He was a, yeah, he was a last resort to save them.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes, it's crazy!
So, I don't know a whole lot about it, but I've been following just a few people who are posting about it, and it's scary.
I think about what's going on in Hong Kong and Belarus in terms of the uprising, and we view them from the American standpoint as, like, Yeah.
good to oppose the dictators, but the left thinks that's who they are here.
And I'm like, you attacked an old lady, dude.
You're not the freedom fighter opposing the dictator.
I'm sorry, that's just not true.
Trump was elected.
Deal with it.
You can vote him out.
If they didn't act like lunatics, they would have voted him out.
If they were just like, well, you know, we lost this one.
Good game, guys.
We're gonna focus on doing better next time and we're gonna find a more likable candidate.
lydia smith
They could have been rational about it.
tim pool
They would have won.
lydia smith
All they had to do, as Ben Shapiro loves to say, was not be crazy.
They couldn't do it.
tim pool
They couldn't even do that.
lydia smith
They couldn't do that.
tim pool
It's a rebuild year.
lydia smith
Yeah, they're taking a year off.
tim pool
Four years.
They gotta figure out their leadership.
lydia smith
Taking a term off.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Well, hey, anybody.
Well, hey, let me read one more super chat actually.
Megan Stewart says, if it doesn't work, I'm totally voting for Trump.
The ticket is Dan and Tulsi.
I like that.
I like that ticket.
I do.
But I don't think the left will.
They hate Tulsi and they really hate Dan.
lydia smith
Dan Crenshaw?
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Dude, the left really hates Tulsi Gabbard.
The resistance left calls her a Russian and the progressive left calls her alt-right.
There's just, like, moderate people like me who liked her because we recognized her as someone who was trying to build a bridge.
She was a more progressive lefty, and I was like, I like a bit of her platform, but she's got military experience.
I like Dan Crenshaw for the same reason, so I like the idea of a Dan Tulsi ticket.
But the left is not gonna go for it.
They won't go for it.
lydia smith
And the right won't either.
tim pool
It would be really funny if Tulsi was president and Dan was vice president and she was like, we're pulling the troops out.
And Dan's like, that's a bad idea.
lydia smith
Yeah.
But I feel like they can talk it out.
I feel like I feel like a presidency like that would be fantastic.
tim pool
I love the idea.
lydia smith
They would engage with each other and come to the right conclusion somewhere in the middle.
They would have to.
tim pool
I'll keep my eye on it, but I just see it as another third party run.
That's not.
lydia smith
I know.
tim pool
I don't like I don't I don't see you getting critical mass for this because people like Trump.
Yeah.
And so the problem I see here is that the only thing a Dan Tulsi ticket will do is stop Trump from winning.
lydia smith
Yeah.
For real.
That's the problem with third party candidates, unfortunately.
I don't like the way it is, but...
tim pool
Brent Chappell says, love the show.
Like how you are having guests on more often now.
Would you ever consider having people like Ben Shapiro, John MacArthur, or Dave Rubin on?
Stay safe and awesome.
Well, of course.
I don't know, who's John MacArthur?
lydia smith
John MacArthur is a pastor.
tim pool
I don't know who that is.
lydia smith
He's a preacher?
Yeah, he leads a church.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm just not familiar with him.
Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin I know, and of course.
And I actually, I would love to have some regular people on.
lydia smith
Yeah, you keep saying this, and I get regular people hitting me up, and I'm like, ah, too many regular people!
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we definitely, it's really hard if, like, it's gonna be, we're gonna have to vet people.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're gonna narrow it down.
tim pool
We gotta figure out, like, what they do, and have conversations with them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But it'll be interesting to get someone into the spotlight who normally doesn't have the opportunity to say, hey, I'm a plumber from, you know, Ohio, and I just have some kids, and they're going to college.
lydia smith
Or like a car, like a mechanic or something.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
That'd be great.
Yeah, that'd be really cool.
tim pool
I don't care about priors.
someone and I've seen some leftist bring up Kyle fighting a girl
and how that puts him in a bad light. But they seem to refuse to talk about
Jake Blake's priors on George or George Floyd's priors. Exactly, I don't care about
either.
I don't care about priors. I don't care about George Floyd has a history.
lydia smith
I care about whether they stepped on George Floyd's neck until he expired.
That's nonsense.
tim pool
I care about whether Jacob Blake was being arrested for a warrant and pulled a knife and was fighting with cops.
lydia smith
Exactly.
I care about the situation they were in at the time.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
I care about Kyle defending himself.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
It's fair to say that past instances can, you know, alter it to a certain degree, but... Yeah, but you still are, you're right, you're innocent until proven guilty.
lydia smith
Jacob Blake was too.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, let's see.
Stankly Ballas says, Hey Tim!
Oh, I see.
Stanky Balls.
Says, uh, oh, Stankly.
Hey Tim, just to lighten up everyone, I feel like we should all have a laugh at things, like when I'm watching TimCast clips and all of a sudden the outro with you looking 20 pounds heavier comes on.
Stay strong, folks.
That's a good point!
lydia smith
You are losing weight!
You gotta do another one!
tim pool
Well, you know, I think it's from all the skateboarding.
We got to record when I'm all fat.
I'm like... I've been skating very, very often for sure.
lydia smith
You'll have good before and after pictures.
tim pool
We'll record a new one.
I had to put up a new profile pic because I was like, you know what got to that point?
I often see people rag on others for having old profile pics.
And I was like, I just never thought about it.
And I'm like, whoa, that is three years old.
I'm going to take a new profile pic.
And everyone's like, you look so mad, Tim.
I'm like, I don't know.
lydia smith
What am I supposed to do?
tim pool
Kaper2x says, think Viva Frey and Barnes Law as guests.
They think highly of you.
I think they're great.
I'd love to have them.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're working on it.
Working on Viva, for sure.
tim pool
FantasticMrNox says, have you seen the video of a man in Baltimore getting bricked by a BLM supporter?
I don't know if he was a BLM supporter.
I saw the video, though.
It was crazy.
But look, these videos happen all the time, man.
T-Zoning says, people on the right hate Dan because he wants red flag laws and spying on gun owners.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Tulsi has a insane gun control policy.
Not all people on the right know about his TAPS Act, red flag law and spying.
Yeah, I think I remember him talking about this.
lydia smith
Everyone melted down.
tim pool
Well, we are about 11 minutes over, so I think we're going to get ready for bed, because I'm going to wake up early in the morning and get back to work.
But thank you all for hanging out.
Thanks for the super chat.
Sorry we couldn't get Kimberly Klasek on.
She has become a superstar, and I don't blame her.
I wish her the best.
I think she's great.
But she had this explosive ad that went viral overnight, and then she had to speak at the RNC.
And I'm just like, dude, you've got to do your thing, because the race is way more important.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's way more important.
tim pool
She seems busy, but I'm stoked for her.
And we've got Elijah Schaefer tomorrow, right?
That's gonna be cool.
He's slightly offensive.
You may have seen his stuff.
So he does like a podcast show and he's done a lot of on-the-ground stuff and like legit reporting from the scene.
I've cited a ton of his content reporting on protests and riots so I look forward to having him.
lydia smith
These two dudes over the next two days are both on the ground reporting on all this stuff and I'm excited to hear what they have to say.
tim pool
It's gonna be fun.
So make sure you follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.
You can also follow my other channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and slash TimCastNews.
And you can follow at Sour Patch Lids, Sour Patch L-Y-D-S, on Twitter and Parler.
We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
live.
We'll have clips from this show throughout the day.
And of course, I put out an insane amount of content, so my main channels have a ton of content throughout the day as well.
I imagine I'm gonna wake up in the morning and be like, oh look, more riots happened.
Let's talk about that again.
So I'll be back.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody, and we will see you all tomorrow at any point in the day when you watch the content, but we'll be live at 8 p.m.
with Elijah Schaefer.
Adios.
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