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May 19, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - Joe Rogan Podcast LEAVING Youtube After $100M Spotify Deal, Youtube Is Over Party
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adam crigler
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tim pool
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lydia smith
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tim pool
We'll see you next time.
My name is Tim Poole.
Tonight, hanging out with some people.
adam crigler
Oh, you know me.
What up, everybody?
It's Adam.
tim pool
Oh, you know me.
adam crigler
You know it.
lydia smith
You know Jesus.
And me, producer Lydia.
tim pool
Producer Lydia.
I see we got a bunch of crabs in chat.
That's the crab dance.
You know that video?
No.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan!
He's leaving!
He's leaving all of us behind.
Yes, he is.
This is huge, man.
adam crigler
I feel like he's shifting more than leaving.
I mean, he is leaving YouTube, yes.
Well, not really, though.
tim pool
His clips will still... No, but the podcast is leaving.
The podcast is leaving.
adam crigler
Right, the podcast.
tim pool
It was hard because I didn't want to... For those that are just tuning in, I didn't want to put in the title, like, try and break down exactly what's happening.
Joe Rogan is leaving iTunes.
He's going to go exclusive on Spotify, but the clips will still be on YouTube.
So it's like I couldn't put this whole thing.
adam crigler
So it's not going to be on iTunes either?
tim pool
No.
Spotify exclusive.
I believe that's the story.
Now this is big.
This is a big deal because, I mean, this is going to be bad for YouTube.
adam crigler
Is it?
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, YouTube Their bread and butter is their volume.
The CPMs, the ad rates for YouTube, they're not good.
And so they made money.
Their bread and butter was the fact that they had a massive library of all this content flooding the market, crushing everyone else out.
Rogan's getting millions of views on his podcasts.
He's going to take that away.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
The clips may still end up getting a ton of views, though.
They might pick some of that up.
But ultimately, I don't know, man.
I got a lot of opinions about Joe Rogan's move.
Now, all I can say is congratulations for the, you know, 100 million bucks.
We'll talk about what that really means.
So this is the first story we've got.
We've also got the UN.
We're going to talk about UN's weird attempt at language policing.
Yeah.
And we always try to introduce stories we're going to get to and then we never get to them.
So we'll see what happens.
We've got a couple of the stories, you know, Batwoman.
I don't even, like, Ruby Rose is quitting Batwoman.
So, like, what is the show even?
Yeah.
This is a show that was just, like, slammed for being a social justice show.
And I think she left because you mentioned she was in John Wick.
adam crigler
John Wick 2, yeah.
tim pool
And she was great.
adam crigler
Yeah, she was cool.
tim pool
I wonder if she was like, this is destroying my career.
Probably.
It's like a bad show.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And she's like doing John Wick, you know what I mean?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That's cool.
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
And then we also have, what do we have?
Oh yeah, the Navy fighter jets.
We never got to that.
So if we have time, these are the stories we have lined up.
unidentified
Aliens.
tim pool
And aliens.
Aliens.
The UN.
Joe Rogan is first.
So if you haven't already, smash that like button.
Welcome to the show.
adam crigler
I smashed it.
tim pool
Get your comments in now in the super chat, because we always try to read as many as we can, but we go in reverse chronological, or we go in chronological order, so first come, first serve, and we usually get too many.
It becomes physically impossible to read, and I gotta be honest, we really do try, but I think last night we read for 50 minutes straight, just like, here's what so-and-so said, so-and-so says this, so at a certain point, it's just too many come in.
And it's rough, it's rough.
Because some of the comments, some of the superchats are really, really great.
And we actually can riff on them and do whole segments when someone's like, Adam, what do you think about this?
And then we're like, well, and then we, you know, we talk about stuff.
But if you'd like, you know, get in your superchats and we'll do our best to read them when we can.
Subscribe, like button, notification bell, all that good stuff.
And share the podcast if you like it.
Now that Joe Rogan's leaving, that means we're going to be the coolest podcast on YouTube then, right?
unidentified
That is correct, yes.
adam crigler
That's what I was thinking.
tim pool
He's the only one I defer to in terms of like, I mean, he's the biggest in the world.
unidentified
Coolness.
tim pool
So let's get started.
The Wall Street Journal, check this out.
Spotify strikes podcast deal with Joe Rogan worth more than $100 million.
unidentified
Wow.
dollars. Wow. His full library dating back 11 years is to hit the service
tim pool
September 1st and become exclusive to Spotify after that before the end of the
year. Wow. There are so many implications to this for us, for everyone else. What
does the money mean? Is it a good idea? Maybe not.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
But I mean, I'll tell you what.
adam crigler
For him, you mean?
tim pool
Yeah.
It's tough, man.
Because I've, you know, we've, I'll keep this vague, but of course, we've had people approach us saying, you know, hey, this podcast, and you really got to weigh opportunity for growth, revenue, super chat versus upfront contract cash.
And I've been through all this, dealing with, you know, working for big companies and getting locked into contracts and what it means.
I'll tell you what, man.
I was in a two-year contract with that ABC News television company.
Right, right.
And it was golden handcuffs.
That's what they call it.
They give you this money, and then it destroys you.
So for like two years, I was gone.
Like, I was making some stuff, and some stuff did well.
But it's like, I go from doing these on-the-ground, you know, viral 5 million views overnight, Kim.com on Vice.
Then I did Ukraine, 2 million.
Ukraine again, 2 million.
And then I go to Fusion, and it's like, I wonder what happened to that Tim Pool guy.
adam crigler
Well, we were even gonna have a show.
You and I met with the president, and he was like, yeah, this is so cool, you guys can do this podcast that we're actually doing right now that seems to be doing well, and they missed their chance.
They were like, eh, okay.
tim pool
So let's do this.
So that's some pretext.
We'll talk about a lot of this, and I'll break down what these contracts mean.
Joe is likely not getting, they're not writing him a check for $100 million.
The average person's gonna hear that and be like, they're gonna think, Spotify was like, 100 million, here you are, Joe!
It's a lot more complicated, and I'll explain in a second, but let's read the news, get the context.
Joe Rogan is taking his podcast exclusively to Spotify Technologies SA in a licensing deal worth more than $100 million, according to a person familiar with the matter.
That would be one of the largest such deals in the rapidly growing podcast business.
The comedian, television host, and MMA commentator has become one of the most influential and lucrative podcast hosts in recent years, especially with his popular VODcast video podcast format on YouTube.
Rogan52 has so far withheld his podcast from Spotify, saying the streaming service doesn't pay enough, and he had been generating significant revenue on other services, such as YouTube.
His full library, dating back 11 years, is to hit the service September 1st and become exclusive after that, before the end of the year.
His video podcast, which will also appear on Spotify, will no longer be available on YouTube.
Yes, Spotify will host the videos.
adam crigler
I didn't know they had video.
tim pool
I don't think they do.
This might be a specific thing for Joe.
Maybe they do.
Do they host videos?
I have no idea.
I looked.
I was unaware because that's huge.
adam crigler
I thought it was just music.
tim pool
That's huge.
Spotify has spent hundreds of millions of dollars acquiring entire companies, including Gimlet Media and Bill Simmons, The Ringer.
The deal with Rogan is a multi-year licensing agreement for an amount of time that couldn't be learned.
That's an interesting way of phrasing that.
It will likely be worth more than $100 million based on milestones and performance metrics, according to the person familiar.
Last year, the creators of popular true crime podcast My Favorite Murder signed a two-year deal worth at least $10 million with E.W.
Scripps Co.' 's Stitcher Unit, according to people familiar with the matter, in what was then one of the largest of its kind.
Launched in 2009, the Joe Rogan Experience has built an avid fan base discussing wide-ranging topics from neuroscience, sports, and health to comedy and culture.
His show consistently ranks at the top of Apple Podcasts' rankings, sitting at number two on Tuesday.
He does.
That's so funny.
No, I don't think so.
Oh, really?
me, dollar shave club, zip recruiter.
Joe does the best commercials.
lydia smith
He does.
tim pool
Have you, have you heard him?
adam crigler
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
Because it's like, it's, he almost makes fun of the products.
adam crigler
Oh really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He was doing, he was doing one commercial we were listening to where it was like,
it was, uh, uh, what was it for?
Like shaving your junk?
lydia smith
Yep.
And he was like.
tim pool
He was like, this thing is for shaving your junk.
And then apparently it had a light on it.
He's like, it comes with an LED.
Wait, you got a light on this?
Man, anybody shaving down there in the dark, you're crazy.
Yeah, he's great.
He's a comedian, man.
adam crigler
He's funny.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
So here's a quote.
He says, we're going to be working with the same crew doing the exact same show as he announced the deal on his podcast Tuesday.
The only difference will be it will now be available on the largest audio platform in the world.
He also assured his fans the podcast will still be available free on both Spotify's ad-supported and premium tiers.
The deal comes after a year in which Spotify, the largest music streaming service by subscriptions, has made heavy investments in podcasting as it recasts itself as more than just a music service.
It's a very, very, very smart move on the part of Spotify.
adam crigler
Totally.
tim pool
Smartest thing they could have done.
adam crigler
Oh, they nailed it.
tim pool
Now, if you were Joe Rogan, Joe's already wealthy.
I don't know how much he makes.
You can look up celebrity net worth, things like that.
And there's estimates based on how much money he makes based on CPM and the ads he does.
And someone, I think, made a post arguing that he made like $75k per episode or something.
I don't know anything about his metrics or how much money he makes.
The question is, first and foremost... Well, actually, let's break down how a $100 million deal would work.
So you'll often hear this, when someone signs a contract, they'll be like, Adam Krigler signed a contract valued at five million dollars with, you know, I don't know, Florbo Corp.
And then people instantly assume you gotta check for five million.
adam crigler
Wait, how do you know about that?
tim pool
It's breaking news.
Just kidding.
adam crigler
Florbo Corp.
tim pool
So this is a multi-year deal, right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Divide that $100 million by the multi-year deal.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Multi-year, what does that mean?
At least three or four?
adam crigler
Well, they don't even know.
tim pool
They could not be learned.
adam crigler
It was someone familiar.
So all this is just hearsay too.
It's not even real stuff.
tim pool
I mean, I'll tell you what, when I first heard Joe posted the announcement that he was going to be leaving YouTube and iTunes, I said 100 million.
I was like, what are they paying him, 100 million bucks?
Because you have to understand the amount of reach and promotion, everything he gets from YouTube.
So we can talk about why this might be a bad idea, in my opinion.
I don't know what Joe knows and I know that Joe is insanely more successful than I am.
He's also got 20 years on me.
But I know a lot about YouTube metrics and he probably knows a lot more about the podcasting business.
He's been doing it for a lot longer.
So I can only defer to him and say he's probably made the right choice knowing how much money they're offering him.
adam crigler
Do you think YouTube's sweating a little bit right now?
It's the number one podcast in the world.
tim pool
And they were on YouTube.
And I think about how YouTube messed this up.
Remember he used to do his show live?
And then they stopped doing it live.
So I don't exactly know why I can surmise it has to do with the risk of getting your livestream pulled because you said something or someone said something you can't control it.
adam crigler
Yeah, I see.
tim pool
Which has happened.
Tons of people have done livestreams where all of a sudden their stream gets just removed and it's like the stream goes dead in the middle of a live broadcast.
That's why I'm like very careful when we're reading superchats and stuff and we're talking.
It's like they could just nuke the stream instantly.
And it happens.
So my assumption is it has to do with that.
He can better control the show.
And it shows you that YouTube is not a safe place to run your business.
Not even for Joe Rogan.
I think for the most part he was safe.
Let's talk about the money real quick.
It's a four year deal.
I'm just assuming.
adam crigler
Is that what you think?
tim pool
I would estimate, because it's Joe, two.
At least two years.
It's tough though, it's tough.
A lot of companies will try and get you for three years, but Joe Rogan has the leverage.
So I'd imagine he might be like, we'll go for two years, we'll see how it plays out.
And it's a multi-year deal.
Yeah, it might just be two years.
And so that could potentially be 50 million in value, potential value.
So we gotta break all this down.
If Joe really does make, you know, like 75k per episode, I don't know if that's true.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And he does, what does he do, like four episodes a week?
So he's making, he's making a lot of money.
unidentified
Yeah.
A lot.
adam crigler
That's really good.
tim pool
So how much do you have to offer him to, for him to walk away from, you know, YouTube, for instance?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Already set up, already getting the money.
tim pool
I don't think he makes that much on YouTube.
adam crigler
No?
tim pool
The commercials he does, I don't know if I believe he makes that much money because I don't think... I'll stop there.
I don't know what the metrics are for top iTunes shows.
I do know the metrics for one of the highest-profile shows that was basically leaked to me, so I'm not going to reveal who it is, but it's a very high-profile individual, and they get a tenth of what they get on YouTube.
And it's one of the biggest shows on iTunes.
And that's similar for my podcast.
I get substantially less podcast downloads than I do YouTube views.
Like ridiculously less.
And even for this show, we get like 20 times more views on YouTube than we do on the podcast.
It's like hard to promote.
So, anyway, if Spotify went to Joe and they were like, you know, we'll give you $10 million a year for two years, then where's that other $80 million come from?
What people don't understand about that number is that it could include marketing deals.
It could include production staff support.
It could include travel bonuses.
It could be predicated upon reaching certain milestones like they mentioned.
So, I don't know.
All I can say is the number must have been good enough for Joe.
And now he's going to leave YouTube.
So there's a bunch of things to talk about.
This is going to be great for us.
It really, really is.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
It's going to be amazing.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So I recently went on the Joe Rogan podcast.
Many of you may have seen it.
It's currently sitting around 5.8 million views.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
I know why it's sitting at 5.8 million views.
How come?
It's not entirely about Joe.
It's about the YouTube algorithm.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So I produce content every day on multiple channels.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Tim Pool is in the description for all of these.
So YouTube knows there is a phrase, Tim Pool, that people search for and click on.
So when I did the Joe Rogan podcast, there's a reason why my podcast was the second biggest of April.
I think it was Eric Weinstein was the beginning of April, and it's got like 6.1 million views.
So at the end of the month is my podcast.
So Eric's got a few weeks on me.
It may end up that my podcast ends up getting more traffic in the long run.
But most of his podcasts are like, you know, a million, two million views.
Because most of these people aren't on YouTube and their names aren't recognized by the algorithm.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So when I did the podcast with Joe, I get hit up by a bunch of people being like, dude, YouTube won't stop recommending this to me.
It's just like, it's there, it's there, it's there.
It's a combination of people listen for a long time.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But it also has to do with the search term, Tim Pool, evidenced by.
Many of you may have noticed 20 year old skate videos of me popping up on YouTube.
And it's it's it's hilarious.
But there's a there's a YouTube channel of mine with like no subscribers that my mom was uploading to in 2005.
And it's got skate videos of me when I was like 14, 15 years old and my name's in it.
And I'm like, how did YouTube surface this?
It's because Tim Pool was in the title.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So following, you know, Rogan.
So the reason I bring that up is When Joe does a podcast, I don't know what his views are like, but a large portion of everyone's views on YouTube are driven by free marketing from the YouTube platform.
So it's true for me.
I've seen what happens when a video is suppressed.
And I've seen what happens when a video is promoted.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And when YouTube promotes it, it's like, it's like, wow, how did I get 700,000 views in a day?
It's because YouTube, the YouTube algorithm put it in front of a bunch of new people.
And then YouTube actually tells you, they say this podcast, you know, this, this video did really, really well with people who aren't subscribed to your channel.
So Joe's walking away from that.
It's a big bet.
adam crigler
It is.
I mean, is it a bet when you're getting paid $100 million?
He's not getting paid, but... Well, even if it's over a set amount of time, it's like, the number was good enough for him to walk away from it.
And I think... It's not really a bet, I don't think.
tim pool
I think for him, he's 52, and so he's probably thinking, I don't want to act like I know what he's thinking, but at a certain point, people are like, I've been there, done that, I did it.
Take the money and I'm done.
You know what I mean?
I'm not saying that as shade to Joe, I'm saying like, You know, for me right now, I'm hungry.
I'm like, we're going to build this company.
We're into all these great things.
Joe's 52.
He's got a bunch of projects.
He's already become the biggest podcast in the world.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
You know, he's, he's sitting on top of Everest and he's like, you know, you got a good deal for me.
It's going to keep me comfortable for a, for a couple of years.
All right, let's do it.
I'd imagine it's more than two years though, simply because walking away from YouTube, that's a huge risk.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
But I don't know, a hundred million dollars, man.
adam crigler
But he's still going to be uploading his clips and be making money off YouTube still.
It's not like he's letting go of completely.
It's just the live, or not the live show, but the podcast itself.
tim pool
And he's probably still going to be doing ads on Spotify as well.
And Spotify probably said it's guaranteed promotion.
But here's, there's something else too.
It's like, one of the reasons Joe is consistently the number one podcast in the world is because he won't get off the top of the mountain.
So when people who have never listened to a podcast before open up iTunes, what does iTunes say?
Joe Rogan.
adam crigler
Check out Joe Rogan.
tim pool
It's right there, it's the first thing you see.
And you're like, okay.
And then you've got, you know Joe, he's a comedian, he's famous, he's funny.
And iTunes said so?
Sure, why not?
That makes it extremely difficult for other podcasts to climb because people have to know about it.
adam crigler
So what you're saying is, it's our time.
tim pool
No, it's well, it's tough for us.
unidentified
No, I'm just going to put that out there.
tim pool
There's other questions.
There's other questions, right?
I'd be willing to bet one of the reasons, maybe not a big reason why Joe was like, we're going to take the show off YouTube, is YouTube's not a safe place to run a business.
So the other day I did a video about lockdown.
People were flooding the beaches of Virginia, defying the orders.
And I post a video, 10 a.m.
like normal, no views.
It's getting like two or three percent of the views it normally gets.
adam crigler
Okay, that's significantly different.
tim pool
Ridiculous!
And I'm like, is this live?
And I look at my channel, my channel's normal.
And I'm like, I guess the video's not getting viewed.
Nobody could see the video.
So I pulled up Incognito, I looked at my channel, video wasn't there.
And so at first I was thinking like, man, something huge must have happened that people aren't on YouTube right now.
There was a Donald Trump interview, and I'm like, maybe everybody's just watching the Trump interview, and so no one's watching my content.
And then, so when I checked, sure enough, YouTube shadow banned the video.
You couldn't see it.
adam crigler
How do you know that for a fact, though?
tim pool
Because if you log into Incognito and go to my channel, the video is not there.
When I log in, I see the video.
That's a shadow ban.
To me, it looks normal.
To everyone else, there's nothing.
And then I tweeted about it, and a bunch of people confirmed the screenshots.
The video didn't appear for them.
adam crigler
Yeah, I saw your tweets.
tim pool
So all of these people were like, I thought Tim wasn't going to upload any videos this morning.
He must've been sick.
Oh, YouTube just suppressed it.
The only reason that video ended up getting views like it normally would get is because I asked people like, don't let them do this.
Share this video.
YouTube's trying to shadow ban this.
I even say in the video, I'm like, they're probably going to ban this because I'm straight up saying like, people are defying lockdown.
The people have spoken.
And even this video now is at risk because YouTube is going to be like, We side with the lockdown no matter what, even if it's illegal.
adam crigler
legal are
look at what jill talks about you know he's He's kind of far out there in his different subjects that he talks about and people he brings on there.
So it wouldn't surprise me if Joe was kind of like, there's only a matter of time before YouTube bans me too.
I want out anyway.
tim pool
And Spotify, he probably said to Spotify, we're going to get real crazy with it.
Spotify was like, we don't care.
Do your thing.
We want to win.
So YouTube got comfortable.
adam crigler
Yep, they're comfortable.
Now they're sweating.
tim pool
If you swear, you lose money.
And so it's like, is YouTube a kids' network?
You can swear on TV.
I'm watching that new Rick and Morty.
It's not Rick and Morty.
It's called Solar Opposites by Justin Roiland.
It's a Fox show on Hulu.
They don't stop swearing.
lydia smith
It's like sailors.
tim pool
They swear a lot.
It's not that bad.
I don't want to exaggerate.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
They do swear a lot.
And so I'm like, why is it that Hulu doesn't care?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They run advertisers.
They do subscriptions.
YouTube, oh, oh, oh, we can't, can't do it.
No swearing.
So, we're on a platform that is terrified of these weirdo people who identify as deer on the internet, and are going like... That's what YouTube is scared of, and so they're gonna ban us.
Yeah, I'm not surprised Joe's like, I'm out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
What was it?
Joe routinely talks about the trans athlete issue, because he's like really against, you know, biological males.
That's bannable, man.
That's a bannable offense.
adam crigler
Wait, he's against biological males?
tim pool
competing against biological females.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
You had to finish it.
The people that knew the context of... But for those who don't.
Right, right, right.
adam crigler
Maybe finish the sentence.
tim pool
So Joe, you know, has talked about this a lot.
There are biological males, they transition, they still have certain advantages, they compete against biological females.
That is a bannable offense to bring up.
adam crigler
And here I am, I agree with him.
tim pool
So we're at risk.
I've talked to people at Google and straight up said, tell me right now, because I refuse to start a business on a platform that is this unsafe.
And they're like, no, no, no, trust us, trust us, it's okay, it's okay, you're gonna be okay.
And I'm like, then why did you ban these people?
Well, we can't talk about that.
And I'm like, then why should I believe I won't be banned at some point as well?
And then they shadow ban my video.
I'm like, yeah, I know it's coming.
So you know what?
Yeah, maybe if Spotify came to me and they were like, we want you to ditch all these platforms.
adam crigler
That's what I was thinking of.
Maybe we should talk to Spotify.
lydia smith
Seriously?
adam crigler
What up Spotify?
lydia smith
They do videos.
I looked it up.
tim pool
They do videos?
lydia smith
They do.
unidentified
Since when?
lydia smith
I don't know.
adam crigler
Is it new or what?
lydia smith
I have no idea.
I don't use Spotify ever.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
I want all the information, Lydia.
lydia smith
I got nothing.
unidentified
I'll start uploading my videos.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'll have to look into it.
tim pool
I'll start putting stuff on.
lydia smith
I will look into it.
adam crigler
Cool.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not safe, man.
And you gotta think about, like, Luke Rutkowski, right?
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Luke's been doing YouTube for over a decade.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Like, 13, 14 years.
Early on, for those that aren't familiar, his YouTube channel is WeAreChange.
We're probably already in trouble for saying his name and mentioning his channel.
Early on, he was, like, peripherally involved with, like, Alex Jones and, like, Infowars stuff, and a lot of conspiracy theory stuff.
adam crigler
And then... Early on?
Isn't he always, though, kind of on that conspiracy side?
tim pool
Not so much anymore.
No, not so much anymore.
adam crigler
Yeah, I guess I haven't seen his new stuff.
A little bit.
tim pool
There's a little bit that he does.
adam crigler
It's in there.
tim pool
But it's not nearly the same.
At this point, you know, he's talking about coronavirus in a very mainstream way, and people are yelling at him for it.
So he's very, like, I don't know.
It's fairly okay.
There's some videos where I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
But it's like 99% of his stuff is fine.
They don't care though.
It's his brand.
And so early on he had this involvement.
They came and they got rid of him.
And I think it's because of some of the people he had interviewed.
But think about this.
Let's say you're a young dumb kid and you make a bunch of dumb videos.
You build your channel up over 10 years, playing by the rules, everything's legit, 13 years later you got 700k subs, it's your job, it's your living, you've dedicated everything to this platform, always obeying the rules.
Over time, you said, the rules changed, I will adhere to the rules.
Then they say, you know what?
Your past, your brand, has a negative impact on our business, so we're purging you.
Outright, overnight, your livelihood, your career, everything's gone.
Where do you go?
How do you make your money?
Just pull the rug out from under you.
It would be like I always explain it like imagine you open an ice cream shop in like you know city center of whatever town you live in.
Okay.
And your business is running for years and you're making a living and you're like this is my job and then one day they literally come and pick up your business and just put it 40 miles outside the city like you can still sell ice cream.
You know, over there where no one is.
And all of a sudden, that's it.
Your life is over.
So in the real world, you can't do stuff like that.
But it's like the biggest fear, I guess.
But for me, I guess what works is that I'm kind of like a hippie, in a sense, where if they banned me, I'd be like, whatever.
I'm getting in the van.
I'll go skate.
I'm out.
I'm done.
I have everybody.
Just save money and then dip out.
But I guess we'll see how this plays out because the interesting thing about Joe Peeson is that there are a lot of people, like I know when, I can see it in my metrics, when other people are doing well or have some kind of bombshell.
A lot of YouTubers don't get this.
They'll be like, all of a sudden my views are down, YouTube's suppressing me.
And it's also like, do you know how market competition works?
So if you put up a video at the same time as Joe Rogan, guess what's going to happen?
You're not going to get a whole lot of views.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Because people are going to go watch Joe Rogan.
If Joe leaves the platform, that's one to two million views in a day or so that he normally gets.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
They're going to be looking for, but it's not just that.
His videos are two or three hours long.
adam crigler
Yeah, they are.
tim pool
That means a million people now trying to fill three hours of content.
Mm-hmm.
adam crigler
We're here for you, everyone.
lydia smith
We really are here for you.
adam crigler
We're here for you.
tim pool
Many of them are going to go to Spotify, for sure.
I don't think all of them will.
adam crigler
No, I'm sure, yeah.
Like I was mentioning with- I'm sure a lot of them already have Spotify.
It's not going to be like, all right, forget YouTube, Spotify now.
Spotify has been around for a long time.
tim pool
There's a decent amount of people on YouTube that watch because they're on YouTube.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
The same is true for Spotify or iTunes.
adam crigler
Probably.
tim pool
So I can see it, you know, we can actually see it in the IRL podcast.
You know, sometimes we'll have a massive spike in live viewers because of the subject matter, but we know who the core people are, who are always here, always hanging out.
Yep.
adam crigler
Love you guys, by the way.
lydia smith
Yes, much appreciated.
adam crigler
Talking to you, our core group.
tim pool
YouTube gives you a huge advantage.
Free marketing.
So long as it fits what YouTube's machine is looking for.
If you made a podcast right now and put it on Spotify, you're not going to get any downloads.
adam crigler
Probably not.
tim pool
You make a video, you put it on YouTube, you might get a million views overnight.
If the algorithm says, hey, this is what people like.
So I guess for some, you know, from my perspective, if I was now, you know, how long has Joe been doing this?
11 years into the game, uh, into the podcasting game.
unidentified
11 years.
tim pool
He's the biggest, he's the best.
And someone came around and said, here's a contract.
Here's a bunch of money.
Makes sense.
You'd be like, yeah, I'm comfortable.
I got my, you know, I got my warehouse.
I got my, my friends, I got my, you know, archery thing or whatever.
His, his, his warehouse is amazing.
He's got what he wants, you know?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe now it's time to just get security or something.
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, yeah, YouTube's got to be sweating because they already purged a bunch of people.
Now, you even said the other day, it's like the algorithm seems like it's kind of back into its normal flow.
You know, they were pushing mainstream media.
Now it's back to normal.
And now Joe's a little bit more, it's noticeably differently though.
And then now Joe leaves.
Now imagine if like a bunch of other heavy podcast users get lifted by Spotify.
You know, and then all of a sudden YouTube's like, that's millions and millions of people that are not on our site
anymore.
They're, they gotta be sweating.
tim pool
Yep.
I mean, dude, if Spotify is hosting videos, I'm going to check it out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Spotify is legit.
So I'm already on Spotify for the audio version, but a video version.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
Why not?
adam crigler
Why not?
tim pool
Well, we'll see.
I think one of the bigger issues, too, is Joe might actually end up losing a substantial amount of his influence because he's the biggest show on YouTube, he's the biggest show on iTunes, biggest podcast in the world.
Will he still be when he's on Spotify?
Perhaps.
adam crigler
Probably.
tim pool
It's hard to say.
adam crigler
People go listen to Joe Rogan.
They like his attitude.
They like his jokes.
tim pool
That's what Spotify's hoping for.
And so the big risk when you sign deals like this is always, you know why they're hiring you, right?
Because they don't get traffic.
They need traffic, which means they need to bring on talent.
So I'm sure Joe understands all of this stuff.
But, you know, and maybe he doesn't really care to have the influence he does, because he always mentions, like, you know, he passively mentions, I might vote for Bernie, and then Bernie turns into an endorsement.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I can't imagine.
That's fun.
It's like, dude, I didn't even, I was just like, I might vote for the guy.
And then all of a sudden everyone's yelling at you and insulting you.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So maybe it would be nice to, you know, to not be front and center all the time.
But, when I look at my metrics, and I don't single out any podcast platform, I don't say, hey go to this platform, hey go to this platform, iTunes is 55%, Spotify is like 20%.
So if you open the iTunes app and you see Joe's face every time, that gives him a massive amount of influence over the entire political landscape.
adam crigler
It seems like Spotify is making moves.
Not only did they acquire Joe, they acquired a bunch of other things over the past year.
I can't think of them offhand, but you read them in the article.
So it seems like they're making moves, man.
tim pool
Let me tell you a story.
adam crigler
Do tell.
tim pool
When I got hired by Fusion, they made a bunch of grabs from various news organizations, high-profile individuals in media, and we were called the expendables of journalism.
You know the movie Expendables?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like all the stars.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
Everybody got paid an absurd amount of money.
The contracts were ridiculous.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Ridiculous.
One dude got paid half a million dollars.
adam crigler
Dang.
tim pool
Yeah, that got leaked.
adam crigler
Like right off the bat?
tim pool
They gave him a half a million dollar a year, per year.
His contract was probably valued at, you know, like 1.52 million dollars.
unidentified
Wow.
Oh.
tim pool
Yup.
I think my contract was actually, and this is another thing about how, what it means, like a hundred million dollar deal.
My contract with them, I would be willing to bet it was the most expensive contract for them, in terms of expendable hires.
But it was because I had requirements.
So, you know, while... I don't know if I should actually say the number, but it was in the millions.
adam crigler
Well, we don't need to even talk about that, but it didn't work with them.
They acquired all these expendables, it didn't work.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
But Spotify's picking them all up.
You're saying it might not work, or what?
tim pool
Yeah, it might go down in flames.
Okay.
True.
adam crigler
I don't know, Spotify's solid though, and it feels like they've...
They kind of have been on a good trajectory their whole life.
tim pool
So... Yeah, the difference is Fusion was a bunch of clueless people who flushed money down the toilet thinking they could spend a ton of money and it would work.
adam crigler
Right.
Isn't Spotify a Swedish company?
unidentified
I don't know.
lydia smith
Oh, I don't know.
I'll have to look it up.
adam crigler
Here's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Listen, people have habits.
People have iPhones.
You can get Spotify on your iPhone, I guess.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
But people have habits.
adam crigler
That's also true.
tim pool
And their habit is going to be like pop up in the iTunes.
Or YouTube.
Yeah.
I think, I think Joe is well aware that, you know, he's going to try and be pulling all of his users, you know, audience from one platform to another.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
But he's also, he's more than just a podcaster.
He's Joe Rogan.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
He's one of the most famous comedians in the world.
lydia smith
He's an MMA announcer.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
People know his name.
And so maybe that's why he's like, whatever.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
For me, you know, I look at how many downloads I get on the podcast and it's nothing.
It's 1,200th of what I get on YouTube.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So it's like, it's serious.
If YouTube cuts me off, I'm done.
I'm out.
I'm not even gonna bother.
Later.
adam crigler
I don't believe you.
tim pool
Oh, you're wrong.
I'm done.
adam crigler
I'm wrong that I don't believe you?
unidentified
Yeah, you were incorrect.
tim pool
Oh, that's funny.
I am assuring you, if YouTube came and were like, we are getting rid of all of your channels,
I'd be like, I'm gonna go do private consulting or something.
Well actually we have scanners, so I'd probably end up doing something with that.
lydia smith
He wouldn't just quit.
tim pool
Harumph, I say.
No, I mean quit this.
Political commentary, YouTube making videos and stuff.
And I'd go to like driving around in the van and filming and just doing verite adventures.
unidentified
It'd be fun.
tim pool
Be like, today we're going to check out, there's a story I want to do for a long time with my friend, Citizen Sloth Patrol.
There are people in Central America that just drive down looking for sloths trying to cross the street, pick them up, and then put them on the other side.
lydia smith
I want to do that but with armadillos.
tim pool
Because they get run over.
Yeah, and turtles.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Because turtles try to cross the road.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the sloth patrol is like a really fun thing.
It'd be fun to go down in the jungle and stuff.
And that's stuff I'd probably start doing if I got the axe.
But I guess we'll see how this plays out.
I gotta be honest, bro.
Two things have happened that have made me worried.
But very happy.
The first is when YouTube announced that they were doing this COPPA thing, where it was like Children's Protection Act or something like that.
Children's Online Privacy Protection Act.
And what they said was, we're going to disable premium ads, like targeted ads for all children's channels, and disable comments on all channels for children.
And it was scary for a lot of people because they were like, what does YouTube consider content for children?
like most things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if you, if you did too many things, like if you're a gamer, you're a kids channel.
That means they were like, they were, they were threatening you.
People were worried they'll get their comments disabled.
And so people started doing where they were like, I'll just cuss in the video.
So it's not for kids.
What did Logan Paul do?
Was it Logan Paul or was it Jake Paul?
lydia smith
Yeah, he brought on some interesting characters.
tim pool
He brought on some porn stars.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because he's like, not for kids anymore!
Don't ban me.
Don't get it twisted.
Here's what people don't understand though.
For channels like mine, that meant a windfall of cash.
Money was gonna go skyrocketing.
All of these channels that could no longer support these advertisements, the advertisers weren't going to stop advertising.
They just had nowhere to advertise anymore.
Which meant adult content like us and like my channel, we pick it up.
And so ad revenue starts going up.
So at first it's like this scared a lot of people and I was like, listen, if you're a YouTuber who makes cultural and political content, you are going to see a major increase in your revenues because they're basically taking it away from all these other channels and giving it to culture and politics.
Empowering people like us for better or for worse.
The other thing is Joe Rogan leaving.
That's the second thing.
Him leaving is like, oh man, is YouTube over?
The biggest show is leaving, he doesn't care anymore?
Is YouTube going to be able to maintain this?
Are they banning people?
I mean, this could be the beginning of the end, man.
The walls are closing in.
However, there's a big positive.
He'll still have his clips up.
They might get more views.
But with his big show, Monday through Thursday, every day at noon, I think, they upload.
If that's gone, that means all those millions of people, million plus, for three hours looking for content, I got political content right here, baby.
Come over to my shop.
adam crigler
And we got whatever we want to talk about on our show.
tim pool
Imagine it this way.
Imagine that you're downtown.
And there's two ice cream shops and one is the biggest ice cream shop.
Everybody loves it.
And they announced, we're moving.
We're going to a different city.
You'd be like, yes.
Now I'm the only ice cream shop in town.
Not that I think we in any way compete with Rogan, you know, but we'll get, we'll get a little trickle from, uh, from the Rogan viewers, you know, who aren't watching on YouTube anymore.
Might just see how it plays out.
Should we, uh, jump over now to Reagan on the UN?
lydia smith
Yes, we should.
adam crigler
Oh gosh, this.
unidentified
This is gonna be so fun!
adam crigler
I retweeted this because it's so silly.
lydia smith
It's amazing.
tim pool
It's a culture-war-y, social justice kind, evenin' everybody.
How are you all doin'?
Yeah.
UN takes heat for bizarre gender-neutral language code.
Oh, man.
Sometimes I think, like, we're out of the, you know, we've made it through the forest, through the desert, the culture war, the social justice, weird, insane stuff.
unidentified
Nope, it's just a ravine, and you fall back all the way down into a pit.
tim pool
It's like, you're climbing the last dune, and they're like, it's just over there!
It's like, we've made it!
You climb to the top, and then it's just like the Sahara.
lydia smith
It's a mirage.
tim pool
You fall to your knees.
It's still happening.
It's worse.
This is the UN.
So the UN tweeted out one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.
The United Nations is taking heat after posting a bizarre new dictionary of gender-neutral terms to replace more gendered words used in everyday life, with social media users expressing bewilderment and confusion at the language policing that in some cases appeared to backfire.
Quote, here's it, what you say matters.
Help create a more equal world by using gender-neutral language if you're unsure about someone's gender or are referring to a group.
Unwomen.org, I love that.
lydia smith
I like that.
unidentified
Ironic.
Okay.
tim pool
Don't say mankind.
Say humankind.
adam crigler
So that's ridiculous.
It's the same thing.
No.
tim pool
Human.
adam crigler
Human.
lydia smith
You just threw Q in front of it.
unidentified
So what?
adam crigler
I don't understand.
tim pool
They're all equally stupid.
This is awesome.
I want you all to know that when our government gives money to the UN, this is what they are funding.
lydia smith
Yes, wonderful.
I'm very glad to hear that.
tim pool
Don't say chairman.
Say chair.
lydia smith
Or chairperson.
adam crigler
That doesn't make any sense either.
unidentified
It makes no sense.
adam crigler
The chair.
lydia smith
I'm talking to the chair.
adam crigler
I'm talking to the chair right now while you're crazy.
You sit on chairs.
tim pool
Chairperson?
adam crigler
Yes.
See, that at least would make some semblance of sense.
tim pool
Look at this.
Don't say congressman, say legislator.
But that's not clear.
And why can't you say congresswoman?
adam crigler
Right.
Isn't that what they do?
tim pool
Yes.
Congresswoman and congressman.
Yeah.
Oh, it's because it's gender neutral because it might be a floorbow.
adam crigler
Oh, I see.
tim pool
And you don't know.
adam crigler
So it would be Congress floorbow.
Duh.
lydia smith
Wait, wait.
tim pool
It gets really, really, it gets so much better.
Don't say businessman, say representative.
But representative refers to Congress people.
Congress persons.
adam crigler
That doesn't make sense either.
tim pool
None of this- Dude, dude, dude, wait.
Don't say policeman, say police officer.
adam crigler
Okay, so that's the first one that- That's fine.
Sure.
lydia smith
Whatever.
adam crigler
I usually say police officer anyway.
tim pool
But here's what I don't understand.
Or cop, yeah.
Does an officer refer to ranking members of- An officer?
lydia smith
Whoa, whoa, hierarchy?
tim pool
Yeah.
We can't have that.
Isn't it like once you become a lieutenant, you're an officer?
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
Something like that.
tim pool
I guess they call all police officers.
It's weird.
unidentified
Police cadets.
tim pool
I guess it means like official duty.
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah, I dig that.
Oh, this next one's ridiculous.
tim pool
This is the best one.
lydia smith
Sorry, I'm excited.
tim pool
Don't say landlord, say owner.
Okay, that's it.
I'm done.
The UN just told me to refer to my landlord as my owner?
unidentified
Let that sink in.
lydia smith
What?
tim pool
Could you imagine what life would be like in the Bronx or Harlem, south side of Chicago?
adam crigler
Technically, you're my landlord right now.
Oh, you're his owner?
unidentified
Wait, wait.
adam crigler
What does that mean?
tim pool
I am your owner.
No, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
Here's what I want you to do.
unidentified
Listen, listen.
tim pool
Everybody, everybody, everybody.
Here's what I want you to do.
Go to New York.
Go to Chicago.
Go to the South Side.
Go to Harlem.
And talk to someone about rent.
And ask the individuals who live there, do you feel like your owner is treating you well?
And see how they respond to that.
adam crigler
Wow, I didn't even think about that.
tim pool
That's brutal.
You, as a well-to-do white person, who was advised by the UN to refer to the landlords as owners, go to the minority communities and say, is your owner taking care of all of you?
They're gonna be like, what do you mean, my owner?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Say that again.
They're gonna get punched in the face.
adam crigler
Say that one more time.
unidentified
Is their lucky owner?
adam crigler
Sorry, what did you say?
tim pool
Depending on what neighborhood you're gonna get, that's the most insane.
This is really bad advice.
Like, it's dangerous.
Could you imagine being in Chicago and walking up to someone and being like, I'd like to talk to you about your owner.
adam crigler
Whoa.
What, dude?
tim pool
What?
That's amazing.
No, that's bad.
I love this one.
Boyfriend and girlfriend say partner.
Now this one is triggering.
You know why?
adam crigler
Why?
tim pool
Because I once had a business partner in this project.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Business partner.
I'm like, what am I supposed to call him?
And so I was like, you know, talking to people and I kept saying, you know, my partner has set up, you know, the company and doing this.
And then someone was like, it's, it's so great that a gay couple can be out and open.
And I was like, what?
I was like, my business partner, like it's a, it's a human and we're doing a company together.
And they were like, oh.
So I'm like, I'm not going to say the word partner anymore.
adam crigler
I'm out.
tim pool
Because it no longer refers to... Yeah, the connotation was changing and now they're trying to do this.
lydia smith
Yeah, they changed it one way.
Now they want it back.
tim pool
The rest of them are... It's so hilarious, man.
Look at this.
Don't say salesman, say salesperson.
Well, why not just say congressperson or business person or police person?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Why?
You know?
adam crigler
Well, they're running out.
They're running out of alternative...
tim pool
Things to say yeah Somebody somebody at the UN was like a higher-up came down
and said can you do something on like gender language like yeah?
Yeah, we'll write something up, and they had no idea how any of it works, and they were like can you just give me
unidentified
some?
tim pool
Words why can't you say landlord? How is landlord gendered you can say landlady?
lydia smith
I've said that.
What's wrong with that?
tim pool
Landlady.
adam crigler
Yeah.
What's up with lord?
Lords and ladies?
That's the hierarchy.
tim pool
A woman can't be a lord?
lydia smith
With a landlady.
That would be why you would say landlady.
tim pool
Dude, a landlord can be female.
We just did a story.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
I just did a segment about this Antifa guy, and it turned out his landlord was his grandma.
We say landlord.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Is lord male?
adam crigler
Lords and ladies.
But it's like, couldn't there be, uh, well, I go to Skyrim, for example, um, one of the Jarls is a woman and it's cause her husband died and she became the Jarl.
And it's like, that's kind of the same thing as what I think as like a lord would be, you know, if like the, the male died and the woman became the lord then.
tim pool
They pulled words out of hats.
adam crigler
That's what it is.
tim pool
They reached in and were like, wait, wait.
adam crigler
Chair!
tim pool
No, no.
They have one of those cylindrical bingo things and they're spinning it.
adam crigler
I got you.
I got you.
Is that what you were going to say?
tim pool
There's two of them.
There's two of them this time.
adam crigler
Two?
tim pool
Oh.
And then he pulls one out and he goes, we have chairman.
And then he pulls out chair.
They mean two different things.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Roll with it.
adam crigler
Let's go with it.
tim pool
Here it gets better.
Don't say manpower, say workforce.
But what's funny is manpower and workforce mean different things.
Manpower is a reference to the energy expense you have from enough individuals.
Manpower can refer to... It means humans.
If you said, we don't have the manpower to move this boulder... That's a number of people.
Could you imagine, we don't have the workforce to move this boulder.
That's not great.
lydia smith
That doesn't make sense.
tim pool
That's a weird way of phrasing things.
adam crigler
One small step for...
What would you say?
I don't know.
tim pool
Don't say horsepower.
Say horse force.
adam crigler
Horse force.
tim pool
Horse force.
Here's the next one.
This is just so dumb.
Maiden name.
Family name.
I mean, Adam, what's your family name?
adam crigler
Kregler.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Your family name.
adam crigler
I thought I answered it.
tim pool
What's your mom's family name?
adam crigler
Skoglund?
tim pool
No, your family name.
adam crigler
You lost me.
tim pool
I don't know what you're talking about.
Family name means your last name.
adam crigler
That's why I said first and you said no.
tim pool
I know, that's the point.
If family name refers to both the maiden name and your current name, this makes literally no sense.
Go to them and say, so what's your family name?
unidentified
It's like Poole.
tim pool
No, no, no, I mean your family name.
My family name is Poole.
I mean like before you were married.
lydia smith
Oh, my maiden name.
Oh, yeah, okay.
adam crigler
Hmm.
tim pool
Yes.
adam crigler
Okay.
lydia smith
You're not going to be able to change it.
tim pool
How can you, how can you have a word that means like a phrase that means something?
It means two things that are contradictory.
adam crigler
Right.
That's a good point.
Cause not everyone takes their husband's name.
Like obviously this is about like being married and your maiden name is what it was before you got married.
Right.
Like Nisha doesn't, didn't take my name.
I don't care.
Like it makes no difference to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
She still has her last name.
That's fine.
So, if you do change your name, and then you're trying to say it family name, but you've already changed your name, which is another thing people are already upset about, too, because that's antiquated, also.
You're not owned by them.
Taking names?
Yeah, taking names.
It's not like Mr. and Mrs. Adam Krigler.
That's weird.
That sounds weird to me.
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
I think that's just your one family now.
And I think it makes a lot of sense.
lydia smith
That would be your family name.
The new family you just started.
adam crigler
I would actually rather us both change our name when we've actually talked about it.
tim pool
Yeah, to something cool like Grand Smasher or Doomhammer or something.
adam crigler
No, funny enough, it probably would be my mother's maiden name.
tim pool
Yeah, pick whatever you want.
adam crigler
Well, it was my grandfather.
He just kind of raised me as when I was younger.
tim pool
Why don't we pick our own last names, man?
lydia smith
Yeah, that'd be good.
tim pool
Like Pool.
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
What if I could have something cool, like, you know, like... Like Cool.
Like World Ender or something, you know, or like... Tim World Ender.
unidentified
Deathbringer.
tim pool
Deathbringer.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
Well, this is my family.
We're the Deathbringers.
lydia smith
The Drowning Pools.
tim pool
Yeah, the Drowning Pools.
adam crigler
We're the Complicateds.
lydia smith
Yeah, ooh, I like that!
tim pool
No, that actually does the harumphs.
That actually makes sense that you'd start a new family and have a new family name.
adam crigler
That's funny.
tim pool
But I think it actually makes sense.
Like, if you marry someone and have kids, you're now a family unit was the name of your family.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like your clan, almost, you know?
Yeah, I agree.
So, this is just more nonsense.
Husband and wife, say spouse.
unidentified
Why?
lydia smith
No.
Why?
adam crigler
Who cares?
lydia smith
You need to clarify which is which.
adam crigler
But she is my wife.
tim pool
Well, I guess you could be in a gay relationship or something.
adam crigler
Then you use spouse or your husband if you're in a gay relationship.
Well, no, what they're saying is like... If you're traditional or you're non-traditional, it's like whatever you want to do.
tim pool
Well, no, but what I think they're saying is that if I went to you and I don't know you and I said, is your wife coming?
I'd be making an assumption about the gender of your partner.
adam crigler
Right, so that would make sense in that situation to use spouse.
tim pool
Spouse?
Is your spouse coming?
adam crigler
Esposa?
tim pool
Is your esposa?
lydia smith
Esposa?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Isn't esposo?
tim pool
Is it?
lydia smith
Yeah, male, I think.
That's my Spanish.
tim pool
The funniest thing about all this language stuff is that Spanish is like... Oh yeah, throws all this out the window.
Do you know how they do like the X's?
Latinx?
lydia smith
Latinx.
tim pool
Like Kleenex?
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
Just the way they say it.
tim pool
The sound.
Latino.
The progressives change the O's and the A's to X's.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
You can't speak Spanish that way.
Like, mi parex es mi amigix.
No one's gonna be like, what?
You're not saying words.
lydia smith
Gender is a huge part of that language.
adam crigler
Isn't it a big part of all romance languages though?
lydia smith
Not English.
Not every language.
adam crigler
English is Germanic.
tim pool
Romance language is yes.
adam crigler
There's a male and female version of everything.
tim pool
Doesn't Swedish have no gender or something?
adam crigler
They have a third word for the people that aren't like his or her and then the third that isn't.
tim pool
But what do you mean?
We have they.
adam crigler
No, no, no, no, no.
They is plural.
Like, they doesn't make sense.
Like, we've talked about it.
It doesn't make sense all the time.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It makes sense in the context of an individual that is a noun.
adam crigler
Right, specifically, specifically.
But they have a word.
There's him, her, and the third, which...
Essentially, Florbo, but it's been in their language for a while.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying Florbo, man.
Y'all laughing at me.
Y'all laughed at me.
Florbo.
lydia smith
He's ahead of his time.
adam crigler
Florbo, yo.
tim pool
We have a word that specifically references non-traditional gender.
Straight up.
I don't gotta say it.
I don't gotta say they.
I just say Florbo.
adam crigler
Floorbo kind.
Chair Floorbo.
Congress Floorbo.
Police Floorbo.
lydia smith
Gender neutral.
adam crigler
This is fun.
Land Floorbo.
tim pool
Fire Floorbo.
adam crigler
Water Floorbo.
lydia smith
Garbage Floorbo.
adam crigler
It's got a good flow to it.
tim pool
I thought Floorbo was like a funny, foofy, fluffy word.
adam crigler
It's soft.
tim pool
Yeah, it should invoke visions of cute, puffy little marshmallow creatures that want to hug you.
adam crigler
When you first told me that, all I could picture was flubber.
You see, there you go!
You know what I'm talking about?
The rubbery, bouncy stuff.
Robin Williams.
I was like, okay, that's a little silly, but sure.
tim pool
A little cute, jiggly little guy who bounces around.
It's happy and bouncing.
lydia smith
I pictured flowers.
It's floral.
unidentified
Right?
lydia smith
Boom.
tim pool
Flowers.
I imagine a puffy little marshmallow creature that wants to smile and give you a hug.
adam crigler
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, that's cute.
tim pool
I'm like, how could anyone get mad?
This was the ultimate solution, in my opinion, because the idea was like, if they want you to say they or ze or zer, some people get offended by being told what to say.
Some people get offended by not being called the thing they want to be called.
The compromise is to make up a new word that has no connotations, no connection to everything.
And I'm like, there's a lot of words that might be too close to one thing.
I'm like, Florbo.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's funny because that was the one thing I always said, was like, the they thing, they them, is confusing to a lot of people because we're taught it's a plural part of it.
tim pool
But it is!
adam crigler
I know, and it makes sense in very specific sentences, like you explained, but we needed a new word to come up with something, and Florbo Probably wouldn't be what I came up with, but I can't, I didn't come up with anything.
tim pool
I wanted to be random.
adam crigler
That's great.
tim pool
Random, and like nobody's used it as an insult or anything like that.
People say it, you know, passively, kind of humorously.
It's like, the they thing is funny because I was talking recently, I think with Lydia, about they them.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
It's like it makes sense when you say a lawyer walks in the room.
Uh, they handed me a, you know, a briefcase, right?
adam crigler
Cause you don't know if it's a male or female.
tim pool
Well, actually, if it was a reference to you, you would say here, she, cause you
know, but if you said like a lawyer, uh, you know, fell down the stairs at, you
know, this office building, they broke both their legs because you don't know.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
But then what if you said like, uh, what, what, what was the sentence?
Something like... I don't remember.
A lawyer sold a customer a book.
They charged them 50 bucks.
If you then said, a lawyer sold a book and the cashier bagged it, they charged the customer 50 bucks.
They is a reference to like both of them, I guess.
But that makes no sense.
Would it be the cashier who sold them?
The cashier is the one who bagged it.
You don't learn anything.
So in actual language, we would say, a lawyer sold someone, you know, sold the customer the book, the cashier bagged it, the lawyer charged $50.
You know what I mean?
You go back to the proper, like the back to the description of it.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
That's why I think the problem with the they stuff and this gender neutral stuff is like, it's almost like a child coming to you and being like, could you imagine a little kid, seven years old, whose name is like, you know, Billy Wadson?
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And he's like, no, from now on, my name is Hawk Battle Smasher.
You'd be like, your name is not Hawk Battle Smasher.
That's stupid.
No, it's cool.
I'm Hawk Battle Smasher.
adam crigler
It is pretty cool.
tim pool
Doomhammer.
Yeah.
He's a Warcraft names.
lydia smith
Seven year old.
tim pool
But it's like, that's a lot of what we're getting.
Did you see that thing with the, I briefly mentioned, I like alluded to it, the deer person.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
The person identifies as a deer.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I know about this.
I wanted to talk about it, but I don't know if I want to talk about it.
tim pool
Well, we're not gonna show it and we're gonna be light on it because I'm fully prepared to get banned.
adam crigler
You know what?
I could say this though.
I was thinking about going on Twitch and not anymore.
tim pool
No way.
adam crigler
I have zero interest in streaming on Twitch.
lydia smith
That skewed me out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
They're asking me to stream games like I've been thinking about it.
I did actually sign into to I got a twitch account I was prepped and ready and then this whole thing came out and I was like This is the person who's moderating twitch one of them like what twitch has always been bad all gamers are white supremacists What yep?
Get out of here.
I'm out of here.
tim pool
That's what the deer person said.
adam crigler
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
Exactly.
adam crigler
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
Just telling the truth.
And like these creepy videos where they're like moaning.
It's crazy.
And there's one video where the deer person was eating what looks like a nug of pot or something.
It's just weird.
You know what I think it is?
I'm totally prepared to get banned over this to talk about it.
adam crigler
Oh, I love it.
Go for it.
tim pool
This person, I believe it's voyeurism.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
What is that, voyeurism?
It's like you get off on people watching you either be humiliated or engaging in certain activities.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So there are people who have a fetish for humiliation.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So you think about what this person is doing.
I think it's like a fetish.
They go on camera and they make weird noises and they act completely in a messed up way.
Because when I was looking at some of the statements made, because I think the Daily Beast did a story about this deer person.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
They're into it.
They were like, I want to do these videos.
It was something that I thought would be embarrassing and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, yeah, they're, they're into this.
They, they, they get off on this.
lydia smith
That's not normal.
tim pool
They like, it's, it's, it's, it's not normal, but to an extent I'm fine with it.
You know, if people have this thing, the problem is this person seems to be This is where we're gonna get banned.
I'm just gonna say it.
adam crigler
Dive deep, dude.
tim pool
Mentally ill.
Completely.
adam crigler
Yeah, you said that.
We've talked about this before.
tim pool
No, but that's a bannable offense.
Saying, like, this person is... You said, I think.
No, no, it doesn't matter.
Does that make a difference?
I don't care, I'm gonna say it because this needs to be said.
This is not meant to be disrespectful toward this person.
Voyeurism, I think, if people are into that stuff, that's fine.
The issue is, this is someone who is unwell And going on camera being like, people need to be afraid of me.
And now we can see that there are these- They did say that.
Yeah, there are these companies.
Here's what I think happens.
When people live in reality, like when you live in the real world, in IRL, real world.
adam crigler
Right, right, right.
tim pool
When you walk into a job, they're looking for a candidate.
And, you know, Mr. Crickler walks in, and they say, look at this guy, he looks like some, you know, hippy-dippy, long-haired, you know.
Are you a hippy?
Oh, okay, well you can have the job then.
And you walk in and you're like, hi, my name is, you know, I'm Tim, nice to meet you.
I'm here for the moderator position.
They say, okay.
But when you live on the internet, you craft this shell over what you really are.
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
Persona.
tim pool
Yeah, a persona.
People don't see what you really are.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And so this gives opportunity for people who normally wouldn't be in these positions, who are mentally ill, and in a variety of ways, to now be in positions of power.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And then when they go on camera, it's devastating to your company.
So, like, I've had a lot of conversations about, you know, will we do this show on Twitch?
And I gotta keep that very, very, very vague.
The answer right now is an overwhelming and resounding no.
adam crigler
Absolutely not.
tim pool
Absolutely not.
adam crigler
Definitely not.
tim pool
So, I don't know too much about this person, but I do know that there's an infiltration of people on trust and safety teams.
Think about, you know, if you guys haven't seen these videos, you know, you can check it out.
I'm not here to drag this person.
I'm not gonna say their name.
And maybe that's good enough not to get banned or whatever, to get a strike or something.
But you can look this stuff up.
adam crigler
I'm pretty sure there's other deer people out there.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Deer floor bows.
lydia smith
There must be many of them.
adam crigler
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
Lots.
adam crigler
I don't know.
unidentified
I'm sure I don't know either.
tim pool
I had to take care of a bug.
There's a bug!
You can look at what this person is doing and then when you realize the kind of personalities, I'll put it that way, are moderating these websites, you also have to understand that it's these people who go on Twitter and like this person said something like voice chat is unfair to like marginalized peoples and women or something.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't get it.
get implemented because one person who is developmentally disabled gets power.
It's crazy to me that Twitch, that Google, that Facebook are scared of this.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't get it.
tim pool
What's the line, man?
lydia smith
What is there to be afraid of?
tim pool
Like, look, I understand there's a fear of like the fascist who says like, you know,
do away with the invalids.
Like, that's horrifying.
We don't do that.
We care about people.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
We also don't put people who are developmentally disabled in positions of, you know, intellectual jobs.
Like, there's a difference between saying, like, I doubt that person's getting paid for their position.
adam crigler
They're probably overjoyed to just have some power.
Like, ooh, I've got power.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it's a job, because the rumor is that that person got fired.
adam crigler
Oh, recently?
lydia smith
That's a rumor.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a rumor.
adam crigler
It's happened?
tim pool
No, I don't know.
That's what people are saying, that this person has been fired.
adam crigler
They should be fired for the things that they were saying.
It's ridiculous.
lydia smith
That does not look good.
adam crigler
I mean... You should be scared of me.
I have the power now.
tim pool
Should somebody be fired for saying stupid things on the internet?
adam crigler
If you're in a position that you're a moderator of something like Twitch, which is huge.
Twitch is huge.
That's where most of the gaming streams happen.
So yes, I think so.
If you're going to openly admit that you're not going to be fair and you're clearly biased against most people that aren't you, then yeah, you should be fired.
tim pool
That all gamers are white supremacists?
adam crigler
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
tim pool
It was something like that.
adam crigler
I think they said most gamers are white supremacists.
tim pool
And we're saying they because I genuinely don't know anything about this person other than they identify as a deer.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
And these videos are weird.
So, you know, it's funny because I remember the conversations at various organizations where it's like, don't say the word normal.
And so it's like, how do you refer to an average person?
lydia smith
Average?
tim pool
Average, I guess.
So you say the average person.
adam crigler
Without saying normal?
tim pool
You can't say normal.
Normal is offensive.
What does normal mean?
What is normal?
You know?
Are you saying I'm not normal?
Average.
You are not average.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So we can protect marginalized communities, but I'll put it this way.
If somebody's in a wheelchair, we create a wheelchair ramp.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We don't give them a job, you know, as like a professional runner.
adam crigler
Or like a hockey referee.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Seriously?
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
That would make sense.
tim pool
Or, you know, and even outside of that, in more general understanding of biology, I will never be in the NBA.
There was like, maybe a .000001% chance of me, in my life, following the right path to somehow make it in the NBA.
lydia smith
I don't know, you got the leg muscles.
tim pool
I do, I can jump really high.
I can jump very high.
But not like Muggsy Bogues, man.
That dude was like, what was he, 5'3", and he could 360 dunk?
That dude was amazing.
Presumably still is, I don't know anything about him, but there's biological reality.
You know, if you don't have legs, you're not going to be a leg model.
So I think about it this way, when we see these people moderating for Twitch and other companies, it would be like taking someone who has a clear developmental disability and being like, we're going to put you in as a chess grandmaster, as a chess player.
And it's like, but that doesn't make sense.
Like you wouldn't get an architect who can't architect.
You know?
And this is what we end up getting.
Now here's the scariest thing to go back to this point is, or I guess we can just ask, why is YouTube afraid of these people?
adam crigler
Yeah, why?
That's a good question.
Why?
What is the reason?
You know, because it's such a minority.
You know why?
They're the screamers.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
They're the ones that are reeing the loudest.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
You know what it might be?
It might be that regular people will just say, I don't care, I don't want to fight.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, actually, this lines up.
It's like this general idea.
So the way I've explained it before is, for all those of you who are listening, you probably know Sargon of Akkad is.
The thing, I love this because it's the most absurd way to frame it.
Do you think Sargon of Akkad will form a large group of liberalists and march down a Twitter HQ with pitchforks demanding that, you know, they get reinstated, otherwise they're going to smash windows up?
The answer is, No way!
lydia smith
He's a gentleman!
tim pool
Very posh.
Sargon like he's not gonna lead any kind of like violent anything
He'll come down with a with a camera and a microphone and ask you questions and complain about his rights
Will Antifa show up with with crowbars and Molotovs?
Absolutely. Absolutely So these companies know don't make Antifa angry. They're
the ones who get violent. They'll come after you and So that's what they bend the knee to
And then you end up with a trans species deer person going on stream and saying people should be afraid of me because they're all white supremacists and stuff like that.
unidentified
Oh man.
tim pool
And that's the moderation we get.
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
Well, I am terrified.
I'm out.
adam crigler
You're out?
unidentified
That's it?
lydia smith
No Twitch.
tim pool
Well, and then you see the UN.
adam crigler
It's also like... It's spreading.
tim pool
But it's fake.
adam crigler
So it's a fake disease.
tim pool
It's kind of like, how do I explain it?
It's like, I'm imagining the color is slowly being drained from the room.
Like you're sitting in a room, and in the corner it's like you have all these brilliant colors, and then all of a sudden the colors, everything starts turning black and white.
And you're like, that is spreading.
It makes no sense.
Or it's like, imagine your room starts to turn a splotch of weird tie-dye colors that's growing and growing and growing in your house.
What the UN is saying here with these words makes literally no sense.
So the UN's tweet saying, you know, don't say landlord, say owner.
That clearly is the opposite of social justice, to refer to someone who owns property as your owner.
lydia smith
Regressing.
tim pool
My owner just raised my rent.
That clearly makes no sense.
adam crigler
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
And so what do you think would happen?
Imagine this.
If someone was on stream and that was the rule they were enforcing from now on, you can't say landlord.
You gotta say owner.
You gotta go on stream and you can't say that word.
You gotta refer to someone as your, as your owner.
adam crigler
That's weird.
tim pool
It's like, it's like not a real thing.
I guess the easiest way to put it is there's no structure to any of it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So like you ask any of these people, what do you want me to do?
And they'll say, stop being a bigot.
And you're like, please explain what that means.
adam crigler
No, I just get to call you a bigot and be upset.
lydia smith
So whatever you do is wrong.
tim pool
You should be afraid.
lydia smith
And I'm changing the rules every day.
tim pool
You should be afraid of me is the easiest way to sum up what these people are.
adam crigler
And that's what that person said.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
Verbalize it.
Oh, okay.
At least you're honest.
tim pool
Saying the quiet part loud.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what they're thinking.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
You should be afraid of me.
It's like, I can only imagine somebody who's got a developmental disability, who
thinks they're a deer, didn't fit in and is upset and now wants to flex that power
adam crigler
That's exactly what it is.
tim pool
Or some kind of power against other people.
And then they get online and they start banning people.
And then these companies say, but we're not biased at all.
There's no bias.
Yeah, Twitch is done, man.
They've already had a lot of problems with popular females who break the rules in such obvious ways.
There was one video, and I'll be very vague on this, but the assertion was at this woman.
Did a nip slip.
adam crigler
Oopsie.
On accident?
tim pool
Oopsie.
Sure.
Oh no, I was trying to take something off then my, you know, don't ban me please.
They get away with it.
And then there was like one, there was one big thing.
One of the reasons why I'm very averse to Twitch is there was apparently something happened where there was like, it was this like gamers versus thoughts war.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
When Twitch first started, it was built up by the gamer community.
People who were like, we're gonna stream games and we're gonna, you know, have fun.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then a bunch of, you know, like, hot chicks realized they could... Thoughts?
Yeah, thoughts.
They could do this thing where... I think that might be bannable too, to be honest.
But they did this thing where they were like, you can sit in a chair leaning back with your legs spread and like, then lean forward to the camera so you can see cleavage and they would get money.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And so this started breeding this and Twitch leaned into it like, hey, we're making loot, you know?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Seems fair.
gamers got mad about it. And so apparently this one guy, I don't remember a whole lot of the story,
made a video calling this out and he got banned from Twitch.
And the women he was calling out that were breaking the rules didn't get banned. Seems fair.
Yep. Twitch is, it's Amazon now though, but man, we're, man, things are bad. Maybe Spotify
adam crigler
will be better. That sounds pretty good.
I'm pretty excited to see what Spotify is doing.
tim pool
But I don't... I'd be surprised if they have an open upload for videos.
But if they did, I'd totally sign up right now.
I'd just upload everything right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we got... What's the next one?
Should we do the Batwoman?
Aliens?
What should we talk about?
We'll jump to Super Chats.
adam crigler
Yeah, let's jump to Super Chats.
tim pool
Say what up to everybody.
We'll talk about Batwoman.
Considering we're on a social justice tear.
adam crigler
The UFO is not spinning.
Please, allow me.
tim pool
For those that are listening, Adam is now using the electric duster to spin the UFO to make sure people are satisfied.
There you go.
adam crigler
That should be enough.
tim pool
The UFO is spinning now.
adam crigler
That's for you, chat.
tim pool
We are now going to head over to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, smash that like button, just bash into your table, and no, I'm kidding.
But yeah, the like button really does help.
adam crigler
Rest in peace, keyboard.
tim pool
Hop into Super Chats if you'd like to.
adam crigler
Well, I guess that would be the mouse.
tim pool
I gotta be completely honest with all of y'all.
We got over 12,000 current viewers.
adam crigler
Oh, wow, nice.
tim pool
Very grateful, everyone, for being here.
I don't know if we'll be able to get to every Super Chat because of that.
So we still have... I really want to talk about Batwoman because we're on the social justice tear.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, it's basically in line with that.
tim pool
We were supposed to talk about aliens.
Oh man, aliens are so cool.
I think last week, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, someone even said, like, weren't they supposed to talk about aliens?
lydia smith
We just talked about social justice.
adam crigler
I think it was Friday, actually, yeah.
tim pool
It was Friday.
Navy fighter jets that locked onto a UFO.
Yes!
adam crigler
Oh, I want to hear about this.
Yes, I saw the article, but we didn't read into it, so I was like, oh, man.
tim pool
We got to talk about Batwoman next, though.
adam crigler
Oh, goodness.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Kyle Buchanan says, just ordered the new shirt.
Tim, you make too much content.
I get up at 5, and the stream starts at 7 for me.
I want to watch all your vids and watch here.
I do.
I think I put out three hours and 40 minutes every day.
Christian says, awesome show last Friday.
Keep up the great job.
I'll keep sending the money.
adam crigler
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Someone just mentioned they bought a shirt.
I just want to shout out to Wombat Crusader.
Thank you very much for that design.
You sent it to me earlier today, and within four hours, you had sent me the graphic, and we turned it into a t-shirt.
And you can actually all check it out.
You can buy it right now on the Teespring.
You just look below at the merch link.
And you can get it.
It's the Haram Faisay t-shirt with him.
It's genius.
tim pool
It's me in a tuxedo.
adam crigler
It's so good.
Thank you very much.
That was amazing.
tim pool
It's me in a tuxedo with a pipe with bubbles coming out of it and it says Haram Faisay and I have a monocle and it's a brilliant, brilliant graphic.
lydia smith
It's very condescending looking and I love it.
tim pool
It's wonderful.
adam crigler
Thank you very much.
tim pool
Just click it and go to the store.
You can see it if you want to get it.
adam crigler
So that was some fan art and I really appreciate it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's awesome.
adam crigler
Thank you very much.
tim pool
And hopefully they make one for you.
Yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
No, he's gonna do it.
I talked to him about it, so he's gonna, he's probably working on it.
tim pool
Right on.
Mark says, Ivanka 2024 first female president.
I think it's a strong possibility.
We'll see.
Peter Watkins, y'all skipped me yesterday, but a number of states suspended the rights to a speedy trial, and now inmates from Michigan and other states are filing to be freed based on due process rights.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
It's all just breaking apart, I suppose.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Interesting.
says you're all great, keep up the good work, we will, thank you.
Kyla says Newsom said first responders are first fired without federal relief for the
$54 billion debt.
Bought first skateboard today, thoughts on carbon fiber decks?
Interesting.
You tried one?
adam crigler
Technically yes.
I've carbon-fibered decks myself.
It's like a sheet that you kind of apply.
I don't know if it's a full carbon fiber board.
tim pool
Probably some flies, I'd imagine.
adam crigler
That's interesting.
I've only ever carbon-fibered a board and skated it and it adds like a Extreme rigidity, so it's very, very stiff.
It probably has really good pop.
tim pool
That would be good as a base layer for a bamboo board.
adam crigler
Probably.
Yeah, it lasts forever.
Interesting.
tim pool
Alright.
Ben Ritter says, YouTube has been my place for watching people like Rogan almost exclusively.
I don't know if I can even remember to follow him anywhere else.
We'll see.
Also, play Election Year Knockout.
Yeah, can you take that note down and we'll look at it?
lydia smith
Election Year Knockout?
tim pool
DeTeg says, just bought Mr. Robot.
Any thoughts on the series?
It seems like Hacker is talking to the establishment and China would be right up your alley.
I tried watching it.
adam crigler
I saw the first season.
I liked it and I didn't like it.
tim pool
I tried watching one episode and it was just, it made no sense.
So I just stopped.
I'm like, I don't, I don't know what this is, man.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't remember.
I kind of just stopped watching it.
So it must've been not good enough to keep my attention.
tim pool
Yep.
That's why I did not cover it.
It sounds fake.
I didn't listen to it, so I don't know.
unidentified
Fake.
tim pool
leaked call that surfaced today Donald Trump Jr. retweeted it it sounds fake
unidentified
that's why I did not cover it it sounds fake I didn't listen to it so I don't
tim pool
know fake listen man there's a phone call and these videos get released if
It was apparently leaked by an MP in Ukraine, and it was picked up by, like, the Kyiv Post.
There haven't been any, you know, US mainstream outlets that are picking it up, probably because some journalists are probably working to vet it.
Many can't, and many refuse to.
I would say most refuse to, because it would make Biden look bad.
However, I listened to the calls, and it doesn't sound real, man.
Like, at one point, Poroshenko, allegedly, as Poroshenko says, he's the former president of Ukraine, he's like, you know, he's like, Joe, it's great to hear your voice, you know, it's always a pleasure.
You know, as discussed, I reached out to former, you know, Prosecutor Shokin, and despite there being no evidence of corruption, you know, he agreed to resign.
And I'm like, why would he say that?
That's, like, not a thing.
Unless it's possible.
He knew that Joe Biden was shaking him down, so he made sure he recorded the call, and he made sure to say as clearly as possible what was happening.
That could be the case.
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe.
Is it authenticated?
Is it a real, undockered phone call?
tim pool
Here's what's weird about it.
Normally when you're hearing a recording where one person's in the room and one person's on the phone, there's a noise, a buzz or a static or an air.
adam crigler
When the person on the phone is talking?
tim pool
No, like always.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
unidentified
So you hear like a... Yeah, just like the white noise.
tim pool
Yeah, some white noise.
The weird thing about this video is that Poroshenko talks, then Biden talks, and there's white noise in him talking, and the white noise disappears.
That sounds like it was an edit.
adam crigler
So it sounds doctored.
tim pool
It does.
I'm not saying it is for sure.
It could be, you know, that he put it on mute or something when he was talking.
I don't know.
But it'll have to be authenticated.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what I could probably do?
And I'll do this later.
I can take the audio files from YouTube and put them in and see if it looks like there was digital manipulation because I can see that.
Oh, okay.
And we'll look into it.
But I'm seeing a lot of people are talking about it.
For now, it's not corroborated.
I'll do my best and we'll see what we can uncover.
I listened to it.
I didn't think it sounded real.
Okay, let's see where we at.
Blake says, if YouTube goes belly up, what's your backup plan?
Van?
River?
Down by the... Yes.
Chuck Morris says, spodcast the Beanie Sun.
Texas bound.
Maximan and Cheese, gov COVID response equals Stanford prison experiment?
Maybe, I don't know.
David Caballeros, hey Adam, is nut milk not milk?
adam crigler
It's milk.
tim pool
It's not milk.
unidentified
I mean, it's not milk, but it, I mean, it's... It's a creamy, delicious drink.
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, it's funny, the milk industry has been fighting to make it illegal to call other things milk because they're losing so much business.
I'm just over here laughing.
tim pool
I stopped the dairy last week.
adam crigler
Yeah, you did.
You stopped dairy.
You've noticed.
tim pool
I've been feeling better than ever.
Yeah, totally.
And a lot of people are going to be like, no, Tim, don't do it.
She's great.
So I had chicken tacos today with grilled onions and avocado.
Delicious.
But I cut out the dairy because I'm partially lactose intolerant.
And I was thinking like, I get by barely, you know, as it is.
Drinking lactate and stuff.
And when we were on the road trip, I didn't have access to that stuff.
And so, yeah, not fun.
adam crigler
So I'm partially like... Well, I'm glad I wasn't stuck in the van with you.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
So when I got back, I was like, you know what, man?
Once this cheese runs out, I'm just not gonna buy any more.
I'm not gonna buy more milk.
We get rice milk or almond milk or something.
And I feel like a million bucks.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
It was great.
tim pool
And it's like it's it's immediately obvious within like two or three days all of a sudden I just feel a million times better.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
So I wonder.
adam crigler
Really happy for you.
tim pool
I've also been skating every single day.
adam crigler
Yeah we've been skating a lot.
tim pool
But I actually think that's a causation.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because I used to skate one day and then be too wiped out the next day to skate.
And so I would do intervals.
Now I skated five days in a row straight every day and I feel like a million bucks.
Yeah.
It could be the exercise consistently.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
And I'm just getting more and more, you know, amped up.
But I feel like, you know, just cutting it out and trying to eat and drink better stuff is just healthier no matter what.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So it could be partially psychosomatic, but I don't think so.
Like, I usually set my alarm like, I gotta get up at 7.
adam crigler
I don't think so either.
tim pool
I woke up at 5.30 a.m.
like, I slept for five hours and I'm like, I feel great.
Beanie's charged.
Yeah, beanie's charged.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
M&S says, Tim, I know that left the faith a long time ago, but did you receive confirmation?
If so, you qualify to become Pope.
I was never confirmed.
I stopped going to Catholic school at the end of 5th grade and went to 6th grade in public school.
Kyle Buchanan says, Question to all, if aliens are real but only single cell, how would you feel and react when we found them on other planets?
adam crigler
I wouldn't be surprised at all because that's what I'm assuming.
tim pool
Don't we already know that there are microbes that are in the space or something?
adam crigler
Hmm that can live in space, but I don't know if we've found living Microbes elsewhere, but I'm sure like Titan is he's got oceans of methane You know Ganymede is like a frozen moon with oceans underneath the surface It's like Ganymede.
Is it Ganymede?
tim pool
Maybe Titan or whatever?
adam crigler
No, Titan's methane.
It's like oceans of methane.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
That's right cuz we play destiny.
adam crigler
Oh That's true.
Maybe it's Io?
No, I thought it was Ganymede.
I don't know.
tim pool
You want to look it up?
lydia smith
I can look it up.
adam crigler
But I mean, even still, we haven't seen in these deep oceans, and we're still finding species today on Earth that are living in places that we were like, nah, they can't live there.
tim pool
They're extremophiles.
adam crigler
And they're living there.
tim pool
That iron snail.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
That's so cool.
adam crigler
It's like we're still like, oh, how is this even alive here?
That doesn't make any sense.
lydia smith
What?
tim pool
We think we're so smart.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
We know exactly what life is.
I remember when I was little, they told me in school that here's the things you need for life.
And I remember reading it.
I'm like, this is just describing us.
adam crigler
Oh, Europa.
Thank you.
Thank you.
unidentified
Europa.
adam crigler
It's Europa.
Yes.
tim pool
I should have known that because I watched Cowboy Bebop.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Anyway, let's read some more.
adam crigler
Chat's the best.
tim pool
Judas Romo says, how do you feel about Twitch Dear Lady?
Oh, we went into that.
adam crigler
Oh, we did.
tim pool
I'm gonna get in trouble.
Joe Ward says, last time I saw Joe Rogan ratioed this bad, Tim Pool had to come bail him out.
Did he get ratioed?
Over the leaving YouTube thing?
Oh, on Twitter maybe.
Not all of them.
Miller says, when Kelly collapses, states should pass laws that prevent people moving
from Kelly.
They already destroyed their state, they should not destroy another.
lydia smith
Not all of them.
tim pool
Build a wall around California.
You know, one of my favorite memes is, uh...
adam crigler
Or just get the fault to just push it out to see it.
tim pool
Yeah, I've been waiting for that.
Have you seen the fake Trump tweet where it's a red line around the southern border, but
then it goes up and around New Mexico?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And Trump says, New Mexico!
He's like, we're building a wall around New Mexico because I'm still trying to get rid of the old ones.
Or he's like, New Mexico, I'm still trying to get rid of the old ones or something like that.
It's hilarious.
And there's like a fence going around New Mexico.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
Didactic says, did you see the audio leak of Biden's conversation with the Ukraine official about getting the prosecutor fired?
Huge news.
adam crigler
We'll see.
tim pool
So the only thing I noticed in it was that he said, you know, despite there, it was something to the effect of despite there being no evidence of corruption, you know, he's tended to his resignation.
And then Biden said, and then he said, and then Poroshenko says, presumably it's Poroshenko.
I, you know, I hope that shows I've kept my word and upheld my end of the bargain.
And then Biden says, I agree.
And it just doesn't seem like it, it doesn't seem real.
Breya, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Wolfspain says, hey Tim, hey Tim, hey Tim, hey Tim, did you see that the World Politics Reddit evolved into a Warhammer and Star Wars post-Crusade?
Cool!
Yeah, it was anime boobs before, then it became real boobs, now it's Warhammer.
unidentified
Awesome.
lydia smith
Cool, perfect, the final evolution.
adam crigler
And Star Wars.
tim pool
Star Wars, yeah.
JustAnotherGuy says, check Nabu leaks for Biden corruption tapes.
DarthTyphoon, Typhon, thanks for the super chat.
Chet Chisholm says, I work in emergency medicine in a publicly funded healthcare system.
I have a very different view compared to you with regards to it.
If you want, I can outline this view with stuff I send Adam.
Yeah, do it to it.
Yeah, he sent me a bunch of stuff.
adam crigler
No, he sent me a bunch of stuff.
tim pool
No, I'm just saying everybody else.
adam crigler
Oh, to everybody else.
tim pool
Yeah, follow Adam because you can send him stuff.
adam crigler
Hey, there's my link or whatever, my stuff.
lydia smith
Your handle?
adam crigler
You can find me in places.
Just type me up and you can find me.
tim pool
And then whatever you send to Adam, you know, sometimes it makes it to the show.
adam crigler
Send me things.
tim pool
Yes.
And smash that like button and follow me as well.
adam crigler
And share.
tim pool
We're going to start posting some skate videos soon.
Oh, we had a pretty epic sesh.
Adam's just, his progress on the mini ramp is just too beast.
I can't keep up.
It's like, I'm doing pretty good.
adam crigler
I've always been a big fan of ramps though.
tim pool
Yeah.
I've mostly been a street skater, ledge flat and like stairs and stuff.
But I used to be pretty good at ramp.
I just got to get back used to it.
But every day it's like... Adam did a blunt finger flip.
I'm like... Yeah, I did.
adam crigler
It's like, dude, I'm trying my hardest over here, but... I still can't believe I landed that.
tim pool
I can.
You did it like twice today already.
You were like, I'm just gonna throw it in my run.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
But still, it's like, I had no idea.
Man, it was... I gotta turn the heat up.
tim pool
That's why I'm skating every day.
Maybe one day you'll see me and I'll have like a broken arm or something.
adam crigler
It's definitely the hardest thing I've ever done.
tim pool
I'm so happy I have that ramp, dude.
It's like a dream come true.
Me too, man.
adam crigler
Yeah, my owner has this awesome ramp in the backyard.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, I don't like that.
No, the undertones are too much.
tim pool
Alright, alright.
Children.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Where were we at? Ceylon says, context, Glazer vid, did you see that the NYT coined the term
she-cession and blamed 55% women's unemployment in April on Google's cut of diversity? Oh.
Yes.
So I did a video about this activist who works at NBC.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Who like basically complained that Google was shuttering diversity.
And then a bunch of Democrats wrote a letter.
And now this activist is cheering, along with their activist-y friends.
And she wrote this smear piece of me, arguing that I wasn't calling her an activist.
And I'm like, dude, you're cheering for ideological policy positions being implemented.
That's activism!
When Google shuttered the diversity thing, I didn't cheer or I didn't say good or bad.
I was just like, Google did.
I wonder why.
It's interesting.
I talked about James Damore closing a suit.
I wonder if they're related.
That's about it.
So it's like, that's the difference.
Activists versus journalists, I suppose.
Or political commentary, fine.
It's cultural commentary.
I was actually thinking that.
I mean, he still does his show, doesn't he?
I used to listen to him.
adam crigler
Howard. Yeah, that flopped. I was actually thinking that. I mean, he still does his show, doesn't he?
tim pool
Howard Stern? Yeah. Yeah, but he's still, like, what, what's, well, you know what's, you know what's crazy?
I used to listen to him. But he's ragging, he said something like Trump supporters, like, what did he say?
unidentified
I hate you or something like that? He said horrible things recently about Trump supporters.
tim pool
It's so weird.
What happened to these edgy people who are now all of a sudden, like, inversion?
adam crigler
I mean, it's Howard Stern.
Hasn't he said horrible things about everybody?
tim pool
But it's an inversion of his character.
Isn't he the guy who would fire hot dogs at women's tits?
lydia smith
I think so.
tim pool
Something like that.
lydia smith
Probably.
Now we're in a band.
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
What?
Because of that?
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
lydia smith
You don't think so?
tim pool
I'm talking about Howard Stern.
That's totally normal stuff that people have been talking about for a long time.
I get it.
YouTube is very pretentious.
But he used to do a ton of weird stuff like that, right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
His studio was so weird.
adam crigler
Many, many, many weird things.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And now all of a sudden he's got a problem with Trump supporters.
lydia smith
He's on a high horse.
adam crigler
Maybe that's what it is.
tim pool
I see how it is.
These people like to, you know, the media, people like Jimmy Kimmel and Fallon or whatever.
It's Kimmel who does this.
They make these videos where they find the stupidest people and make a video about it.
And then all these people are too dumb to realize.
The truth over facts thing is the perfect example.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like Trump makes fun of Biden and the media doesn't know or understand or even research.
So it's like a bunch of Tweedledees and Tweedledum all laughing and going like, Like, Trump is so dumb he said truth over facts.
And meanwhile, the Trump supporters are like, that's, he's making fun of Joe Biden.
But they're not smart enough to get the joke.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So, that's what you get.
The left can't meme.
It's funny, there's a subreddit called the right can't meme, where it really looks like
they make, yeah.
It's because Reddit's become propaganda.
And it's like, you look at the subreddit, and I'm pretty sure they make fake memes, because I've never seen them.
MIT Technology Review, man, don't take my word for it.
They said 4chan and the Donald are the most prolific progenitors of memes that go viral on Twitter and all these other websites.
It's always been 4chan.
That was always the joke, that 4chan would make something, Reddit would take it, and then it would go viral.
Often when viral videos would emerge, it'd be 4chan.
But now they're desperate to claim they're cool.
Here's the funny thing about propaganda sites and subreddits that say the right can't meme.
It's like, who are you trying to convince?
adam crigler
Yourselves?
Desperate looks on anyone is not a good look.
tim pool
I'll tell you what, man.
The right is several orders of magnitude better at memeing than the left.
adam crigler
So I've noticed, yeah.
tim pool
And it's not even about whether or not they can or can't.
It's about if someone on the right posts a meme, I laugh.
If someone on the left does, I'm confused.
I'm like, I don't get what you're trying to say.
That's not funny.
adam crigler
Or you get it and it's just bad.
tim pool
Joe Biden called Trump President Tweety.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Was that what he said?
Tweety?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I'm like, bro, that's that's not even relevant.
Like, I guess if you're, you know, in your 70s, you grew up watching Looney Tunes.
unidentified
He does tweet.
tim pool
You know, so you're like Tweety Bird.
I'm going to make fun of Trump.
adam crigler
He tweets a lot.
Biden tweets too.
What?
I mean, Biden.
unidentified
Not Biden.
adam crigler
In quotes.
Sure.
tim pool
But right now, the right is calling him Sleepy Creepy Uncle Joe.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And it's funny.
Like, we understand what's- And accurate.
You know what people- I think what the left doesn't get about memes is that memes are a zip file for an occurrence or an idea.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
That makes sense.
tim pool
So, every time Trump called Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas, what he was doing was giving a zip file of an idea to all his supporters in that moment, where it invoked all of the negative history of Elizabeth Warren pretending to be Native American.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So, that one word brought all those memories back.
And so naturally for the left, not being able to understand or comprehend, they were like, he's just trying to insult her because he's racist.
It's like, no, he's bringing back all of the news stories to remind people of why she's a bad person.
Or when, you know, you say sleepy, creepy Uncle Joe, people know that Biden falls asleep on TV, he can't speak straight, he touches people inappropriately, and Uncle Joe is a reference to him being a pedo.
Yep.
Now we're getting banned.
There we go.
Alright, let's keep going.
adam crigler
We're just hitting up everything.
unidentified
We're just gonna go for it.
tim pool
Jen McMahon says, I do like the visual aspect of YouTube, but I'm fine with podcasts becoming the new AM radio.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
ATK says, how is the view from the alt-right adjacency ever figure that out yet?
I don't even know what alt-right means anymore because it's like not even necessarily right wing.
lydia smith
Alternative to the right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that, that woman called me far right adjacent.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, that just means right wing.
Like, what is that supposed to mean?
Far left adjacent?
Your center adjacent.
Wait, what?
It's, it's, it's their way of saying far right in the sentence.
adam crigler
Yeah.
To put it in there, but not, not actually call you right.
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Far right.
adam crigler
Far rights, whatever.
tim pool
Jeremiah says, 45 minutes straight, then 17 at the end last night.
What is that reference to?
I'm not sure.
adam crigler
No idea.
tim pool
Talbot says, skill, it's complicated.
Level up and became, it's more complicated than that.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
Definitely.
adam crigler
You dropped it.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Joey Virtue says, love the show.
I'm curious about how you three stand on guns for self-protection, home defense.
Also, what state in the U.S.
would you three move to?
You go first.
adam crigler
I'm for guns.
I understand the need to protect yourself in areas that aren't congested.
Even in those kind of areas, there are hotheads that are crazy.
Anyone can go crazy at any point, honestly.
I don't know.
Yeah, foreguns, honestly, it's more for like hunting and protecting yourself if you need be.
But, you know, it makes sense if we're going to live off the land, you know, hunting is part of it.
I mean, obviously, I'm vegan, so it's kind of weird to hear a vegan talk about hunting.
But, you know, not everybody is vegan.
So I understand the need to get your own food.
And I think that's a big part of it.
And yeah, home defense.
It's like, I mean, we were living in Miami and we weren't necessarily out in the country country.
We were like an hour outside Miami and someone broke into our backyard and was like looking around with a flashlight.
And I mean, we didn't know who this person was.
What if they had a gun?
What if they were coming at us to like steal our stuff?
It's like...
We were not close.
Like, if we called the police, like, they probably wouldn't have been there.
tim pool
40 minutes?
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, who knows how long it would take for them to get there, so.
tim pool
We also had those reports of the home invasion.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Somebody got murdered in this house.
adam crigler
Oh, even worse, right.
So, like, what we were doing, we took your airsoft rifle that we had.
We had a handheld pistol version of it, too.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
And we were standing on the back porch like, who's out there?
tim pool
Well, I cracked it and dry-fired.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right.
tim pool
That was, that was an aggressive, that was a good 22.
adam crigler
It was, yeah.
And so, it's a breakthrough.
And then, you know what happened?
The person left.
unidentified
They ran off.
adam crigler
He ran off.
Weird.
He didn't come into our house.
tim pool
I went out and I screamed and I went bang.
Right.
lydia smith
And they were gone.
tim pool
Tim screaming.
You know, so, but I've been criticized for that too and I'm like, look man, I did what
I did at the time, the situation, I didn't know what the right thing to do was.
Some people have said, like, you gotta be careful, like, you know, that could have alerted
them to then, like, maybe sneak up and attack you or something and I'm like.
adam crigler
They were coming at, in our property.
tim pool
They were snooping on my prop, on our property.
Yeah, exactly.
It was a 5 acre property.
We had neighbors and all that.
When you were in the back, there was a barn building.
It's a big open field.
adam crigler
You can't even get back there normally.
You have to find your way in.
tim pool
Someone jumped over like a six foot fence with also plants growing around it.
We'd never opened.
And they were snooping around, looking in the barn and stuff.
And we saw the light flickering.
It was like midnight.
You're making a pizza.
And so I was like, yo, yo, yo, shh.
And I was like, dude, dude, dude, what the?
And we all saw it and we were like, whoa, dude.
And so I was like, I grabbed, it was like a Remington, I think.
And I went, broke the bear.
I went outside and went, hey, bang!
And then rustling, running over the fence and going.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And so I was talking to some friends about it.
adam crigler
So you feel the same way I do then?
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was explaining to my friend who said, you know, told me that there's no reason, it's a liberal Hollywood type, there's no reason for anyone to ever have a gun.
And I was like, let me tell you a story.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I told the story.
And I said, what should I have done?
Like, if I didn't have a weapon?
And I was like, it wasn't even, it wasn't even a real like, you know.
adam crigler
And they did have a weapon.
Not that we know that they did or not, but...
There's a high probability that they did have a weapon, and what if they were coming to rob us, you know?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And maybe they heard the shot and were like, it's not worth it because they're armed.
adam crigler
I don't want to get shot.
Yep.
tim pool
They might have still had a weapon.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
So, you know, I ask this.
There's no good answer.
It's like, oh, well, call the police.
They'll be there in 40 minutes.
adam crigler
It's like, well, if all guns were gone, then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore.
tim pool
Can't stop them.
adam crigler
Exactly.
You can't stop them.
People can 3D print a gun now that's viable.
It's not a one-shot, cracked doom, it's done.
It's like, replace the mag, keep shooting, looks like a vector submachine gun.
tim pool
It's probably not as fast, but... Shotguns make sense, you know, for like home defense stuff, but ultimately it's like...
adam crigler
Shotguns do make sense because you can hunt certain kinds of deer, or not deer, doves and stuff.
tim pool
I just mean for home defense.
adam crigler
But you can also use it as home defense.
tim pool
Like Dave Chappelle said, birdshot, birdshot, buckshot, birdshot.
adam crigler
Birdshot, buckshot.
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
Yeah, so this idea that we could just call the police, I was like, the nearest store for us to buy food.
adam crigler
Yeah, it was at least 15 minutes.
Oh no, the gas station, right.
tim pool
No, it was seven miles away.
adam crigler
No, there was a liquor store that was a mile.
Oh, okay.
That was the only thing, though.
tim pool
When I wanted to get milk or something, it'd be like, the gas station is seven miles away.
So what do you think's gonna happen if you call the police?
They're gonna be like, well, reach out to somebody.
They can be there in 20 or 30 minutes.
adam crigler
There's someone in my backyard.
I can't see them.
They're looking around in my barn with a flashlight.
unidentified
Okay.
adam crigler
What do you want to say?
Are they armed?
I don't know.
I can't see them.
tim pool
You know what the cops would probably say?
Do you have any weapons in the home?
That's true.
unidentified
I do.
tim pool
Get it.
adam crigler
That's true.
That wouldn't surprise me.
tim pool
When somebody came here at four in the morning, when we're in Jersey, the cops came and they were like, we're going to take care of everything.
And one of the guys, one of the cops was like, you know, sitting there listening.
And then I was like, I called you guys as soon as I could.
And the guy goes, if it were me, I would answer the door with my shotgun.
And I was like, so I should get a shotgun, and he's like, if it were me, I'd answer my door with a shotgun.
adam crigler
He didn't answer the question, but he made a suggestion.
He answered the question, but he answered the question.
tim pool
And so I did, you know, but they gave me the runaround at the local department about, you know, getting a weapon.
And to be honest, it's kind of like my fault for not going and following up.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
That worked too much.
But I went there and they did not make it easy.
adam crigler
And they told me to... To get a gun.
tim pool
To write an essay.
adam crigler
All right, so what in the States would I live?
West Virginia.
We were talking about West Virginia.
Every time I see the River Shenandoah, I just get all happy for some reason.
I start singing Country Roads in my head.
I was a Fallout fan for a long time, so I still am.
tim pool
West Virginia has got good internet in certain areas, and it seems like a good place to start something up.
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, but there's no airports.
There's no big... There are, just not big ones.
Yeah, true.
It's not, there's no, yeah, there's no big... It's not like we could eventually have guests normally.
tim pool
Well, we could, but it would be like, you fly to DC, then you fly on the regional, you know what I mean?
A little tiny... Hey man, Joe's talking about going to Texas.
adam crigler
People will go if they want, you know... Texas has got plenty of big cities and big airports.
tim pool
Yeah, it's true, it's true.
We drove through, it's funny, there's like the northern strip of West Virginia that's like 40 miles.
It's like you just like go right through it.
I thought we were going through the heart of West Virginia when we drove to L.A.
and it's like we drive through and I'm like, oh, we're in West Virginia, wow, we'll check it out.
It's like, we're not in West Virginia anymore.
adam crigler
Right when you thought that.
Now leaving West Virginia.
tim pool
You know, we're both from Chicago, and the crazy thing about Chicago is that for the longest time, it was outright illegal to own guns.
In the city?
Yeah, it was really, really difficult to do anything with guns.
It was legal technically.
And they got really mad when the Supreme Court struck it down, saying you can't ban these weapons and stuff.
But there was a story of a woman from Tennessee who had a revolver.
adam crigler
She went to the Sears Tower.
Yeah.
tim pool
Or the Willis Tower.
adam crigler
Whatever.
It's the Sears Tower.
tim pool
She was some old lady in her 60s.
adam crigler
OG Chicago and Sears Tower.
tim pool
She's an old lady.
She has a legal permit for the weapon in Tennessee.
She was on vacation.
She just drove up.
She went to the tower.
They have a metal detector.
They said, do you have any weapons?
She goes, I do.
I have my revolver.
They arrest her on the spot.
Last I heard, she got four years.
unidentified
What?
Really?
tim pool
Really? Yeah, that's what I heard. I knew a dude who was this is the story. I was told that's sad
I feel bad for her. So this is an anecdote that somebody told me
It's like I pulled up the records, but there was a dude who?
Lived in California. Okay, and had legal weapons and he was driving across the country, right?
And he got pulled over in Illinois.
And the cop said, do you have weapons?
I do.
He was driving through Illinois on his way to the East Coast.
And the cop said, you know, open it up.
Saw that the guy had some rifles and some handguns.
And he's like, you're under arrest.
Felony possession.
And you got four years.
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
I have family members that live in Illinois that have guns and they're legal.
tim pool
They even have a concealed carry permit.
And there's even supposed to be like laws about, you know, safe transport.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude got railroaded.
Didn't care.
adam crigler
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
I think they accused him of like trying to sell weapons or something.
They were like, nope, we don't believe you.
You have too many.
And he was like, I'm not even staying in Illinois.
And they're like, don't care.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
He ended up getting probation though.
So they were like suspended sentence, probation.
So it's crazy.
Cause now it's like the dude had to live in Illinois.
Yeah.
It's like he gets out and they're like, you live here now for the next four years.
And he was like, what?
What am I supposed to do?
lydia smith
Who would choose to live in Illinois?
tim pool
Now I can make some points about why I think what happened happened.
adam crigler
What do you know about Illinois?
lydia smith
Only what Tim's told me and driving through there, I can't speed at all because they'll pull you over and then you're in deep trouble.
tim pool
I've had cops plant weed in my car.
adam crigler
I still have lots of good memories of Illinois and I like Illinois still, so watch your mouth.
tim pool
I'll just leave it at this.
This dude, and again, this could be apocryphal, it could have been lying to me, but this is what I heard from this guy.
He was a skater.
And he was not white.
And he got pulled over in the South, Southern Illinois.
So I'm not saying that's necessarily why, but it's what the story ended up being, right?
So I'll tell you what, man.
I've had cops pull me over at gunpoint in Chicago when I was covering NATO protests with a bunch of my friends.
Searched the vehicle.
They raided our apartment.
They tried to use a criminal informant or a confidential informant to plant drugs in our car.
I know this.
This is confirmed.
adam crigler
Well, there's good cops and bad cops.
tim pool
And NBC, when we got raided, when they surrounded us at gunpoint, we filmed and gave it to local NBC who aired it.
adam crigler
Oh wow.
tim pool
That video's up. You can look up the video. It's from NBC News.
adam crigler
Dang.
tim pool
And yeah, it's funny. We came back to the apartment, lights were on.
adam crigler
Doesn't sound funny.
tim pool
Cops had been there.
adam crigler
It's messed up.
tim pool
Funny, not funny, haha, funny is unlike you. Whoa, that's weird.
You know what I mean?
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Like, funny strange.
Yeah.
They searched our vehicle.
I think I know what they were trying to do.
So, long story short, somebody shows up to the apartment we're staying at, because they were staying there too.
It was someone we knew.
knew and asks if they can come with us because we're leaving.
We're like, we're GTFOing.
We just got surrounded by cops.
It was nuts.
We don't want to mess around.
They had just, you know, black-sided 10 guys.
I think it was 10 guys.
I don't know how many people it was.
A bunch of people filmed the cops and then all of a sudden disappeared.
And then they got, ended up getting charged with terror, terrorism,
like a small handful of them.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So we were like, we're not going to stick around to find out.
We don't know what happened.
So this dude tries coming, and then I set a bunch of rules.
I said, because of what just happened, everything's going to be meticulous.
No one is bringing anything perishable.
You got vitamins?
Flush them.
Garbage.
Don't care.
The only thing coming in this are hard items like clothing, your computers, your equipment.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And no one is going in the apartment but me, and I was with Luke Rutkowski.
I was like, me and Luke, because we're both, you know, public figures.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
If anything happens, we can, we have a better chance of mustering a defense.
So this dude tries going in the house, arguing that he needs to grab something.
adam crigler
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Later it turns, I said, no, absolutely not.
And he was like, I really, he's really pressuring me.
And then I ultimately said, if you go in that house, you will not get in our vehicle.
And he said, fine.
The next day it turns out who we believed to be was a police informant kept begging him to bring drugs into our car and he was going to do it.
But they were saying things like, please just grab this for me.
I just need this.
Just, just grab it so I can pick it up for you from you tomorrow.
In Illinois, there's mandatory drug sentencing if we had that in our vehicle.
So I wonder if that had something to do with us getting pulled over.
I ultimately don't know, but I saw the text messages where the person was like, do this.
adam crigler
Dang.
tim pool
And he was saying stuff like, I can't.
They're not letting me.
And it's like, please, you have to do this for me.
You have to do this now.
He wouldn't do it.
That's Chicago, man.
I don't want to mess around.
adam crigler
I know.
I know the secret mobster handshake in Chicago, old school Chicago.
tim pool
Do they still use it?
adam crigler
I have no idea, but I know it used to be a thing.
Like back in the day, you'd like walk up and, you know, the guy standing the bouncer and you just like walk him, give him the handshake, give him a specific handshake and he'll let you in.
tim pool
No way.
adam crigler
Keeping that that close.
lydia smith
That's right.
adam crigler
Keeping that close.
I'll show you after the show if you want.
tim pool
All right.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We gotta get through all these super chats.
We got too much.
So I hate to do this to you guys, but I think we're gonna have to start speeding things up because we talk too much.
And that's kind of the point of the show.
But we do have two more segments I want to hope to get to.
I hope to get to.
Maybe we'll just do aliens next.
adam crigler
I'm down for just super chats.
I love talking to everybody.
tim pool
They're great.
We promised talking about aliens on Friday and we didn't get to it.
adam crigler
I mean, we can just keep pushing it back, man.
I don't mind.
tim pool
Let's read.
Aww.
Let's read. Deacon Blues says, Tim, bald is beautiful. You're beautiful, Tim. Thank you.
The One says, saddest part of my day. I'll leave it there.
Stick around. Next segment will be tomorrow at 10am on this channel and I will see you then.
adam crigler
Aww. Thank you. That's sweet.
tim pool
Matthew Emmons says, will we see more or less of Alex Jones on Joe Rogan? I'd imagine more, actually.
Because this deal is probably super safe for Joe.
It's one of the reasons he did it.
He's probably like, I can do whatever I want.
adam crigler
I mean, the temperature on YouTube right now is... I don't know.
tim pool
How many times have we been like, oh, we're banned.
adam crigler
Yep, exactly.
tim pool
We referenced Howard Stern's show.
adam crigler
Joe talks about way crazier stuff than we do.
tim pool
Yeah, and he swears all the time.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
I'm not going anywhere unless you can guarantee I can do whatever I want to do, and I can talk about whatever I want to talk about.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
I'm sure it's in his contract.
tim pool
Something to that effect.
I'm sure they have, like, very specific outs.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm also sure that he's got very specific protections.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Definitely.
That must have been a hefty contract, man.
I couldn't imagine.
I've been given contracts that are, like, this thick.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, garbage.
I'm not dealing.
Sorry.
I'm out.
Give me something simple.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's the biggest podcast in the world.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
I can imagine it was big.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
adam crigler
It was number two on Tuesday, all right?
tim pool
It's number one.
adam crigler
Yeah.
You don't have to explain.
tim pool
Darth Typhon says, Nick, Komolatos, gym in North Carolina was raided by police yesterday,
and the gym goers removed by police following Roy Cooper's executive order.
He put up a video earlier with footage of the event.
Rome is burning.
Man, that is nuts.
So we actually live very, very close to Attalus Gym.
I don't know if you guys have seen this video.
People are getting arrested.
They're walking out of the gym after exercising, I guess, and the cops just cuff them, take them away.
adam crigler
Crazy.
tim pool
Yup.
And we're super close.
Maybe we'll check it out.
Oh, you know what, man?
Yeah, they close at 11.
I think I'll hop over and see what's up.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Sure, why not?
tim pool
I mean, you don't gotta go, I'll go.
adam crigler
I don't believe you.
lydia smith
Alright, let's do it.
tim pool
You don't believe me what?
adam crigler
It's not going anywhere.
lydia smith
Oh, we'll see about that.
adam crigler
You wanna bet?
Oh, well, if I bet you, you're gonna go.
tim pool
I'm gonna go no matter what.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
I wanted to go earlier, but we skated instead.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
Yeah.
Chisholm says, Snagged one of those shirts.
You guys just found the secret to printing money.
Look up Viva Frey, a lawyer on YouTube.
Breaks down the Elon Musk lawsuit really well.
More medical shiznit on COVID to come.
Jack says, YouTube and Facebook are slowly killing themselves and they don't even know it.
I think they do know it.
I think they don't care.
Steve M says, the reason Joe stopped doing live was because people were making clips as it was streaming.
Ah, interesting.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Did he say, he may have said that, didn't he say that?
adam crigler
And then posting it themselves.
tim pool
On other channels.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
I once saw, I was getting ads all the time for a fake Joe Rogan Instagram.
And it's like.
adam crigler
Random.
tim pool
It was huge.
It had hundreds of thousands of followers and it was selling products under his name.
And, you know, unfortunately for those people, I happened to know Joe and I'm like, yo, Oh, you showed them?
Good money.
Oh, you showed yeah, they're taking your they're taking your that's that's messed up
Yeah, there were channels that had like hundreds of thousands of subs. They were probably making you know good
unidentified
money millions of dollars off of his stuff
tim pool
Yeah For the Horde or for the Alliance?
For the Alliance.
That's tough, actually.
There's a lot of races... I like... I actually have a Night Elf.
Not a Night Elf, a Void Elf, sorry.
adam crigler
This is Warcraft, right?
tim pool
Warcraft, yeah, yeah.
It was really annoying unlocking Void Elf.
It's a premium race or something, like a bunch of quests or whatever.
adam crigler
I've never played World of Warcraft.
tim pool
It's a fun game.
Void Elf's cool.
I love PvP with Void Elf because they have this ability where they can like fire a ripple in space time.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And then you can, you have like a few seconds to activate it and teleport to that ripple.
adam crigler
Cool.
tim pool
So in PvP, what you do is, I play Rogue.
So I'll be like fighting someone.
I'll fire it off in one direction, run the other direction and then blink behind them.
adam crigler
They'll chase you.
tim pool
Yep.
And they won't, they won't be paying attention and then boom on the other side.
It's fun.
It's fun.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
But they're alliance.
Ethan Jeff says, I first heard of you when you were on Joe's podcast facing the Twitter people.
Why am I late to this party?
Keep up the good work.
Appreciate it.
FTW Pang says, hey Tim, loving the content.
Have any of you played Metal Gear Solid 2?
And if so, what are your thoughts on the ideas put forward in the latter half of the game compared to the modern internet age?
adam crigler
I only played the first one.
tim pool
I didn't play it.
Nintendo?
adam crigler
And randomly I played the Metal Gear Solid VR missions.
I really enjoyed that game also, but never played any of the other.
There's a lot of Metal Gear Solids now, geez.
tim pool
Did you play Metal Gear, Lydia?
lydia smith
I've never played Metal Gear Solid.
I don't play any kind of video game like that.
Huh.
adam crigler
That was my follow-up question.
tim pool
Yeah?
adam crigler
Have you played any video games?
No.
tim pool
TheGreyGamer says, Pingus signed the Great Puba of America.
Appreciate it.
Talbot says, thanks to Jordan Peterson haters whenever I hear, so what you're saying is, the troll in me has a Pavlovian response of making lobster jokes.
Adam says it too much.
lydia smith
I see purple.
tim pool
Do I?
I don't know.
adam crigler
Do I say that?
unidentified
So what you're saying is, Did you get it from that interview?
lydia smith
That's what I thought you were referencing.
adam crigler
I don't know.
Do I say it?
tim pool
Have you seen that Peterson interview?
With Kathy Newman?
adam crigler
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
I'm going to go full exaggeration.
Jordan Peterson is like, I think we have an issue where men and women are biologically different and perhaps want different things in life.
So what you're saying is men are better than women and you think women are inferior.
And he's like, no, I'm not saying that at all.
adam crigler
I hear you doing that to me a lot.
tim pool
So what you're saying is?
adam crigler
Yeah.
As a joke, though.
tim pool
Oh.
Right, right.
adam crigler
Not serious.
unidentified
I mean it.
tim pool
I'm doing the meme.
adam crigler
Right, right.
tim pool
So it's like, I take what you're saying and twist it in the most awful possible way.
lydia smith
So Adam got it from Tim.
You got it from Jordan Peterson.
adam crigler
I don't think I say it, but now I'm gonna realize if I do say it, but okay.
tim pool
All right, all right.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
Different Gnomes says, on the topic you did about journalists accusing guilt by association, when the company bans X user, why is it that not tortious interference when third party maliciously interferes a contract, by the way, two parties?
I don't know.
I've talked about this with some lawyers.
Tortious interference is when, like, you interfere with someone else's contract.
I'll have to get a lawyer in.
Maybe one day when the pandemic is over, we can have Will Chamberlain.
He is a lawyer and he is a very active social media user.
Pro-Trump.
Good opinions.
Shun says, I love that harumph I say in the beginning.
Also, with Joe leaving YouTube in the long run, I wonder if alternatives will brace up for a boon in viewership or YouTube will t-pose dominance assertion.
That'll be funny.
adam crigler
Well, if you like that harumph I say, you can get it as a t-shirt in the merch section.
tim pool
Yes.
adam crigler
Yeah, we made it a t-shirt.
tim pool
Here's something to consider.
With Joe moving to Spotify, if Spotify opens up, because you can put your podcast on right now, it's not difficult.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
You just have to apply, and then like half a day later Spotify is like, boom, approved.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
If Spotify allows video podcasts, And Joe's just over.
I assure you, there's going to be a wave of of VOD casters or whatever, like what we do.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Jumping over as well.
I mean, I'd say straight up, we'll put the whole the recorded video because we yeah, we put it up on Spotify.
Why not?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So maybe that's what Spotify is hoping for.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Steal YouTube's thunder.
Take Joe Rogan.
All of a sudden, you got a whole bunch of users doing video content, competing with YouTube.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
If Spotify pays the way YouTube does, that's real.
That's legit.
YouTube will be in serious trouble.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Serious, serious trouble.
Asaurus says, talk about Breonna Taylor.
She was a Kentucky EMT and the Louisville PD murdered her in her home.
The cops did a no-knock plainclothes raid on the wrong place.
Now her boyfriend is in jail for shooting back.
We've talked about that before.
adam crigler
Yeah, so ridiculous, man.
tim pool
Man.
adam crigler
I can't believe this whole story is ridiculous.
tim pool
And there's a bunch of stories like this.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's almost like what we talked about.
Who was that dude?
Was it Philando Castile?
Philando Castile?
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Castile, legal gun owner in his car, cop panics, shoots the guy.
Dude, I'd like to see the NRA actually deal with this stuff.
adam crigler
You know, that reminds me of that super chat.
Someone super chatted us yesterday, and they were talking about having insurance.
Like, why isn't there insurance for police officers?
tim pool
Yeah, doctors need it.
adam crigler
Doctors need it.
If they mess up, it's part of it, malpractice.
tim pool
And then the taxpayers aren't going to pay for it.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
And it also makes the officers think twice, but not in a way that makes them feel necessarily unsafe, but makes them think about their pocketbook and their insurance rates going up.
It's tough, man.
There's a lot of good arguments for and against, and I know as soon as we say it, there's going to be a lot of people with really good points about why it wouldn't work, why it should work, or things like that.
Yeah, man, that story's nuts.
It makes me wonder why everyone's focused on, like, Ahmaud Arbery when you have a story of Breonna Taylor.
Inner bed.
Wakes up.
No-knock raid.
Boom.
Cops.
Bang, bang, bang.
adam crigler
Dead.
tim pool
What would you do if someone kicked your door in and you had, you know, home defense weapons?
Like, I had a cop tell me straight up, I'd answer the door with my shotgun.
I knew what he was saying.
So what if I do?
And then someone, you know, the cops come for one reason or another.
Wrong house.
And the cop told me.
Here's what I'd do.
So I do.
And then what?
Now all of a sudden, I'm in jail.
You know, people here are injured and whatever.
No knock raids.
Who was it?
Somebody said no knock raids should be completely illegal.
adam crigler
I agree.
lydia smith
How is that even a thing?
tim pool
I think it was Rand Paul.
adam crigler
I don't know how they became a thing.
tim pool
Was it Rand Paul?
lydia smith
I'm gonna look it up.
tim pool
It sounds like something Rand Paul would say.
It's insane.
adam crigler
I can't believe they are illegal.
tim pool
No knock raids.
adam crigler
It just blows me away.
I can't believe it.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
It was Rand Paul.
adam crigler
That dude is awesome.
tim pool
He's on it.
And it was about Breonna Taylor.
lydia smith
I think that it was, yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah, Taylor.
tim pool
Yes!
Rand Paul's a good dude.
It's funny because here we have an issue where it's like, I guess one of the complaints about it is that the NRA isn't getting behind them.
This dude was defending himself and his family from what he thought were home invaders.
Yeah, well that's the fault of the police, not him.
They should have known better.
But I'm glad to see that Rand Paul's standing up.
That's why I like the guy.
Guy's got principles, man.
adam crigler
Yep.
Clearly.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Where are we at?
We got a million and one superchats.
Terrence says, Tim, love your content.
Please look into a documentary on YouTube on Chinese geopolitical conquest that is called Trump's Biggest Failure.
It's an hour long and it's quite shocking.
All right.
Chaotix, thanks for the superchat.
The usual suspect says the UN went woke.
Why though?
They were already broke to begin with.
That's true.
Gaddock says, hi again, glad I could make it.
Not gonna lie, kinda excited to have YouTube die.
Also, took the political compass test.
There enough room on the fence for me, Tim?
It is a very, very long fence, so we're all standing in a single file line.
Balancing.
adam crigler
Six feet away though, social distancing.
tim pool
That's right, that's correct.
No coughing, no spitting.
Darth Soldier says, I believe the word you're looking for is spooby.
It's a word in reference to someone that has absolutely no meaning.
And it's also a fun word to say.
Just call everyone a spooby.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
adam crigler
Spooby.
lydia smith
Spooby.
tim pool
Carlos, thanks for the super chat.
Andrew, 10 bucks for saying that about dear person out loud.
Look, I don't, I don't go after people for brigading or anything like that.
I said it because I think it's important.
It needs to be talked about.
We're talking about people's health here, man.
Yeah, it's weird.
is says people like that deerkin are M.I.C.S. uh mentally ill censorship shields. They show
people like floorbow front and center and hide everyone else in the group so that if
anyone speaks out against the censorship, cabal, you're an uh you're an ist? Oh yeah
adam crigler
yeah yeah yeah. It's like it's weird. I don't even care that they identify as a deer like
that, that's irrelevant. But when you start saying that all these people that you you
don't like are white supremacists and they better watch out because now I have the power
it's like okay if anyone said that I I am like it's what's going on here.
tim pool
Yeah, like, some people like dressing up like animals and whatever, and they get along just fine.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
Some people have, you know, weird, you know, tics or whatever, and so you can be fine.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
What I was referencing specifically is the weird noises and, like, voyeuristic behavior.
adam crigler
Those were really weird, yeah.
tim pool
But the, you should be afraid of me.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
That's, like, a sign of somebody who was stunted in their development and bullied and, like, dangerous.
adam crigler
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
What's interesting is, like, this person Where's the media to decry inceldom?
When they talk about these, you know, loners who say weird things, say you should be afraid of me and all this stuff, they immediately scream incel.
This person is the exact same.
Fits all the same, you know, checks all the same boxes.
adam crigler
It's true.
unidentified
Oh wow, you're right.
tim pool
Why can't you come out and say this is the same thing?
It's their version of that.
adam crigler
Seems like it.
tim pool
And they defend it.
K.D.
Morris has ran the numbers.
If Rogan makes 75 an episode four times a week, no misses, that sums to 15.6 mil a year.
If Spotify has him for four years, that's 10 mil a year raise.
That's a pretty hefty chunk of money.
A lot of speculation, though.
We don't really know.
I do have to admit, I don't think we're gonna get to the extra segments.
adam crigler
Right.
Yeah, even the article said it was just someone who was close to the situation.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
I don't know exactly their wording, but basically.
tim pool
Vox Imaginum says, What are your thoughts about social distancing versus the mental health toll?
Social distancing seems to be the main thing that worked.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Not the lockdown.
adam crigler
Not locking down.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Because... Just washing your hands.
tim pool
But no, no, no.
Wearing masks.
Limits the amount that you're coughing on other people.
Washing your hands.
Staying six feet apart.
Being in the sunlight.
But no big gatherings.
No shoulder-to-shoulder events and stuff.
That seems to be what's working, so...
adam crigler
Yeah, actually in all of our research through it all it seemed like these huge massive gatherings of humans like 7,000 to 30,000 people that was happening like these church events and that Smurf event like random things but there were huge groups of people meeting and then boom there was a huge outbreak in those areas and it's like okay well that makes sense.
tim pool
Versus mental health?
Um, I don't know.
I don't know what the mental health toll is for social, social distancing.
I know the lockdown has had a toll.
adam crigler
Well, I feel like it's people, people are being locked in.
Yeah.
And now are having mental health issues.
They might've been on the, you know, fragile already.
tim pool
There's a dude, the guy who was the founder of Ustream, the first streaming service I used, his kid committed suicide.
adam crigler
That's sad.
tim pool
Very, very sad.
And now he's trying to do a campaign to raise awareness over what happened, and it was because... I think it's fair to say because of the lockdown.
Like, he was, you know, the kid's trapped inside.
All of his social life has been ripped right from underneath him.
adam crigler
Well, and the toxic nature of haters on the internet.
Like, you know, that person asked us, like, how do you deal with haters?
And it's like, well, you and I have really thick skin.
We can handle it.
People who don't have that thick skin are locked in.
Where do they get their social needs?
On the internet.
And when you go on the internet, if you're not prepared for it, it can be... Mental fortitude, man.
It can kick you over the edge, you know?
tim pool
It's people with limited mental fortitude.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
They, look, the people who react to social media numbers and then get addicted to it, weak mental fortitude, like bad mental fortitude.
lydia smith
Weakens you.
tim pool
The people, well, it's not that, it's the people who are susceptible to it aren't of strong mind.
lydia smith
It's cause, not an effect.
tim pool
They see that I tweet something out, I get a bunch of retweets, they get addicted to it, and they're not strong enough to be their own person.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So, they end up getting addicted, and then when people are mean to them, they have the same reaction.
They're not strong enough to be their own person.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's unfortunate.
ATK says, the Twitch safety person is a trans biomale that identifies as a female deer.
Okay.
DarthSoldier says, this is how Twitch will die.
With the sound of thunderous applause of the RE community.
Yeah, it will.
Yes.
Oh, we just jumped.
adam crigler
I love it when... Or the cringy sound of that deer person getting their hair pet and them deer-gasming.
It was creepy, man.
Cringy.
tim pool
It's voyeurism, I think.
Yeah, it's too weird.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
Let's see.
Hudson says...
Fun fact, female deer do not have antlers.
Forest creature, not the same person as Twitch Ambassador.
unidentified
That's so funny.
tim pool
Who supposedly got fired, doesn't seem to get it.
In one of the videos... That's a good point.
adam crigler
It's a male thing, they use it to fight each other.
Show who's the boss.
tim pool
In one of the videos, this is really funny.
The other person in the video is stroking the trans deer.
adam crigler
That's so funny.
Sorry, go ahead.
tim pool
The person stroking the trans deer person says that, you know, the good thing about horse creatures is that they're very, like, vocal with what they like, and I'm like, horse creatures?
Horse.
What's a horse?
You mean an ungulate?
Like, is that the word you're looking for?
What is a horse creature?
Like, you're talking about horses?
I think it doesn't matter.
adam crigler
I don't think it really has anything to do with the animals.
I do love that word ungulate, though.
Ungulate.
Yeah, ungulate.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a great word.
tim pool
Yes.
Hoofed mammal.
I just found this out.
Elephants are subungulates.
adam crigler
Yeah, I looked it up.
tim pool
Cool.
adam crigler
Elephants are cool.
tim pool
Socialism is for figs.
Is the woman in the room, Lydia of White Run, a trumpster?
Trumpeter?
If so, I have more hope in this world.
adam crigler
Yes.
lydia smith
A trumpeter?
No, I'm not a trumpeter.
adam crigler
As far as playing a... Oh, I thought it was trumpster.
lydia smith
Yeah, I was not sure.
tim pool
I think they're asking if you support Trump.
adam crigler
I think that's what it is.
lydia smith
I don't know yet.
I kind of like what he's doing.
adam crigler
Really?
I don't know.
I'm actually kind of surprised.
unidentified
Why?
adam crigler
Because I would have assumed of the three of us you would be the biggest Trump supporter.
lydia smith
I feel like everybody assumes that.
tim pool
Yeah, you're far right relative to us.
adam crigler
You are.
lydia smith
I'm closer to the middle than Tim is.
adam crigler
You're more to my center left at the moment, but...
lydia smith
I would like it on record that I'm closer to the center than Tim is.
tim pool
But you're on the right.
lydia smith
Yes, I am to the right of the line.
tim pool
So you're far right.
adam crigler
So you're all right adjacent.
tim pool
I'm actually pretty far left.
Like you saw my social compass, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, he's further left than I am actually.
lydia smith
He's not as close to center as I thought.
adam crigler
He's the hippiest one in the room.
Is that the crazy thing?
tim pool
It's totally true.
unidentified
It's true.
adam crigler
Don't let the hair fool you.
tim pool
It's funny.
I'll give a shout out to Stick Sex and Hammer.
He's a great YouTuber.
You should check out his channel.
It's hard to spell though.
That's the challenge.
I'm like 666.
Stick Sex and Hammer.
He's a cool dude.
But he made a video that said Something like libertarian socialism is not a thing.
Admittedly, I didn't get a chance to watch it.
I only watched a brief intro of it, because I'm mostly just working all day.
But I'm not saying this as necessarily to disagree with him, because I don't know exactly what his full point was.
But libertarian socialism absolutely does exist.
It's just a pipe dream.
That's the important thing that people need to understand.
The easiest way to explain it, because there's American Big L libertarianism, which tends to be right libertarianism, is that you can absolutely have libertarian socialism, However, it's basically like, imagine there's a farm, and a bunch of people live there, and they all just kind of do things and share everything, and no one really asks questions, there's no quantified trade, it's just like, hey look, I grew a bunch of, you know, strawberries, would you like some?
Thank you.
I made a hammock, would you like to sleep in it?
And then someone might leave.
And then someone else might come later.
And it's just about cooperative construction and stuff.
These things can't scale up.
That's why I say it's a pipe dream.
adam crigler
It doesn't work on the scale of humanity now.
lydia smith
It's a nice little farm.
tim pool
Because there's not enough.
adam crigler
200 years ago?
Probably.
tim pool
Small tribes.
adam crigler
Small tribes, yeah.
tim pool
Small tribes, small villages, maybe.
That's why every time they try to do socialism, when they say, it's democratic socialism, it always becomes authoritarian.
Because they come out with the best of intentions, and they're like, now everyone can have food.
Then all of a sudden someone storms the store and says, you said it was free, and eats everything.
So then they say, that person can't have food.
There you go, authoritarianism.
adam crigler
Or, I'm gonna limit the food everyone can eat to only one, and it's like, okay, that doesn't work.
tim pool
But, if you are a group of like, I think there is a hippie commune of like a hundred people, and it's libertarian, I think it's libertarian communist.
You can come and you can leave.
Where's that?
I don't know.
I was reading about it, and you have to apply to become a member, but once you join the commune, it's like, everyone agrees that you can come in because you're someone who's willing to work and share, and there's no conflict because everyone agrees with each other.
It's really easy to do, and people agree and are willing to be like, don't worry, I'll make sure I get this done and we can all share, and then there's relatively little conflict.
adam crigler
What about in Christiania?
Do you know about that?
What are they?
tim pool
It's capitalist.
Totally capitalist.
They're stores.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
Yeah, it's more like just straight-up libertarian.
It's actually fairly right, I guess.
It's probably centered.
It's probably moderate.
For those that aren't familiar, Christiania is in Copenhagen, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, in the middle of Copenhagen.
tim pool
But it's segmented off where they consider themselves free and separate from Denmark.
adam crigler
A sovereign state.
tim pool
And Denmark doesn't care.
It's like a great tourist attraction.
adam crigler
I think they care.
tim pool
No, I think they love it.
It's tourism.
People want to go there.
adam crigler
That's true.
People go to Copenhagen just to go check that out.
tim pool
It's true.
And when you walk in, it says, now leaving the EU.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's true.
It's a pretty cool place, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, and there's like a burger joint.
We went and got like burgers and fries.
adam crigler
It's cool.
unidentified
It's a cool place.
tim pool
There's a skate park in there.
It's amazing.
adam crigler
A really dope skate park.
tim pool
And you just walk in and it lets you skate.
I mean, it is very hippie.
The fact that someone built an indoor park.
You can just walk in and skate if you want.
adam crigler
And outdoor.
There's the outdoor section too.
That's huge.
tim pool
Yeah.
Dude, that place is cool.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
I've been to Copenhagen way too many times for some reason.
adam crigler
No, Copenhagen is great.
tim pool
No, I just mean like it's weird.
adam crigler
It's the cheapest place to fly into Europe.
And you can get anywhere from Copenhagen really easily.
And that's actually how I get to Sweden.
So I've also been to Copenhagen a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, because the train right to Malmo, it's only like 15 to 20 minutes, right?
adam crigler
All the way into her hometown.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Where are we at?
Wallace says, I am a Subverse investor and supporter on Patreon.
Can you comment on how investors are affected by Subverse turning into Scanner, or the new fact-checking venture?
The new fact-checking thing I'm doing is totally separate from Scanner, and probably will independently fact-check Scanner stuff, but Scanner is on-the-ground, like, boots-on-the-ground reporting.
So it's gonna be legit, verified, like... The name change will have no impact whatsoever as far as I can... I'm 99% sure.
I say that because there's other people involved that run editorial.
But the only thing that changed is the brand.
It's just a lot of complicated stuff having to do with the brand, and we were like, let's just, you know, call it Scanner.
I have to be careful on what I say because it's independent from me and there are a bunch of decisions from the people who are running it, Rocco and Emily, that I am outside of.
I just try and make sure that they don't cross into fake news territory and then other than that they do their thing.
So, everything's going really, really well.
There's a lot of really, really good news for the supporters of Subverse.
The company is still Subverse, it's just... My understanding, to be careful, is the new brand is just Scanner, but the company is still the exact same company, so it doesn't change.
But there should be an announcement from the team coming soon, because there's really awesome stuff happening, and I think it's going to take off...
adam crigler
So that looks good.
tim pool
I don't know what I'm allowed to say, but there's like some big projects with big companies and it's going to be like, nice.
Oh, we're coming.
Bill McPherson says, Tim, Yuri Bezmenov described the behavior of the leftist back in the eighties.
The whole idea is to demoralize society.
The UN is fundamentally intended to bring a worldwide communistic government.
Well, I don't know if I completely agree, but I can say, I don't understand why the UN would say those nonsensical things other than to confuse people.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Gender Neutral says, Ukraine just released Biden phone calls with former President Poroshenko.
Explosive international corruption and evidence of Biden accepting laundered millions from Burisma.
adam crigler
We'll see.
tim pool
Let's see, JMac says, my kids think I only listen to you guys and Shapiro, despite having a range of channels I follow.
I appreciate you guys keeping it clean, even if it's mostly due to YouTube.
My son is seven, and he always recognizes your voice.
I want to make sure this is clear.
adam crigler
It wouldn't be YouTube, though.
tim pool
I was swearing a lot before until I got emails from people saying, please don't swear because of my kids.
And I went, ah, because I didn't care before.
adam crigler
I taught skateboarding.
I have like 40 cousins.
It's crazy.
I've got a big family, all on my dad's side too.
It's insane.
And so I've been around kids my whole life.
I taught skateboarding for a long time.
The average age was probably eight.
So I've been around younger humans and I kind of, I have this filter
that I just kind of turn it off.
And I don't really swear a lot anyway.
I mean, I do, but especially when I'm on the show, I have that filter on.
It's not hard.
tim pool
It was a few years ago, I got an email from someone saying I listen in the car, and my kids are listening.
So, if you could refrain from swearing.
And I was like, okay.
And then I started looking up, and it was later on that YouTube showed the guidelines about if you swear, you lose money and stuff.
And I was like, ah.
So that's secondary.
First and foremost, it's like, I don't want people to feel like they can't listen because they're scared their kids might hear something.
adam crigler
And it's not important to swear.
Right, right.
We get all of our points across.
There's rappers out there that don't swear, and it's like, people are shocked.
Like, whoa, you don't swear!
lydia smith
There's some very good rappers out there that do not swear at all.
tim pool
Ooh, here's a good one.
Mark says, Europa has an ocean under its icy surface that is theoretically warmed up by the gravitational pull from Jupiter.
Because of the ice geysers on the surface, it's the best place to look in the solar system.
adam crigler
That's exactly what I was, that's why I brought it up.
tim pool
Ethan Joannison says, where is the teeth on an almond atom?
A. Where is the teeth on the almond atom?
B. The teet.
adam crigler
I believe.
lydia smith
I'm willing to bet, yeah.
adam crigler
Almond milk?
lydia smith
Yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
Most dairy farmers work 18-hour days and get rewarded by losing money.
The big farms of over a thousand cows can die, but small dairies don't deserve to struggle.
adam crigler
Okay.
Well, I am the only person that makes all the choices for all of that, so you can be mad at me.
tim pool
Shun says, YouTube doesn't even allow me to super chat 4chan with the number.
Wow!
But anyways, you guys should totally do a deep dive on Jovian and Saturnian systems and how awesome they are, like mini solar systems.
adam crigler
I don't know what that is.
Can you write that down?
tim pool
Yeah, I'll look it up.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
What does it say?
Jovian and Saturnian.
lydia smith
Yeah, the Jove system and the Saturn system, I'm guessing?
tim pool
Vox Imogen, thanks for the super chat.
Greg Wolf says, it is not from 30 to 50 feral hogs that the security of a free state needs defending.
Do you remember that meme?
adam crigler
Which one?
tim pool
Somebody tweeted... I don't think so.
They were like, you don't need these weapons.
And he says, what am I supposed to do when 30 to 50 feral hogs come, you know, storming my property?
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
And what's funny is, once again, you see... Or cougars, or, I mean, I lived in Arizona where there was mountain lions.
Javelinas.
adam crigler
Well, javelinas aren't really... They're hilarious.
I mean, I guess they could be.
Little warthogs?
But it's more the mountain lions that you'd have to worry about.
But they're out there, and they prawl around, you know?
tim pool
Here's what's funny.
They're big beasts.
This person brought up 30 to 50 feral hogs, and the left started hooting and laughing and hollering, because they live in cities.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
It's like, I guess being from Chicago, I understood when deer and coyotes would run through the city.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And like, oh look, wildlife!
unidentified
Woohoo!
tim pool
Dude, coyotes mauled your pets and stuff.
adam crigler
I know, yeah, exactly.
They'll eat your dogs.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
There's coyotes out in Arizona, too.
tim pool
They're crazy out there.
It was funny, when I saw the 30 to 50 feral hogs, I looked it up, and it was like, people often need to defend against hogs raiding their properties, and I'm like, so why is this funny?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because the leftists who were making fun of them didn't bother to look it up or read or understand what it's like to live in the country where you have to defend yourself.
adam crigler
It's like, that doesn't fit what my life narrative is, so I get to make fun of it.
It's like, come on.
It's silly.
tim pool
Bill McPherson says, come to West Virginia.
The eastern panhandle is only an hour outside DC.
I'm from Maryland originally and left because of its restrictions.
Berkeley County is well developed and close to major highways and no zoning laws.
I mean, yeah, it's a couple hours from a bunch of big cities and airports.
So not perfect for having guests and stuff.
The Leopardy says, I don't recommend a shotgun for home defense.
Buckshot will go through a lot of walls without question.
An AR-15 with fragmenting hollow points is recommended.
You're responsible for every bullet you fire.
adam crigler
I agree with that last statement.
lydia smith
Good point.
adam crigler
Incredibly.
tim pool
Yeah.
NR says, I feel like LID get like one comment in every 15 minutes.
Also, what is Adam's tattoo?
Snowflake?
Keep calm and avoid the media.
What tattoo?
Oh, on your arm.
adam crigler
Oh, this is the sun.
lydia smith
Wait, here.
adam crigler
My mom actually drew this herself and has the same tattoo in the same spot.
lydia smith
Cool.
adam crigler
And so she drew it.
I always like to keep a little sunshine with me.
That's very sweet.
And honestly, I say praise the sun as both a joke and also being dead serious because without our sun we would be dead.
tim pool
George Carlin.
adam crigler
Like that is the reason we're here is that's that big huge globe in the sky and I give thanks to that because that's that's I know that exists.
I know that's real and I know that gives me life.
So that's why I have this sun.
tim pool
All of that energy.
adam crigler
But I also have other tattoos.
Check out my like give me my close up again.
lydia smith
Oh wait.
adam crigler
This is one of my favorites.
This is from Gnostic Tattoo in New York and Brooklyn.
And it's this girl Maggie did it.
She's awesome.
tim pool
It was a straight line.
adam crigler
It was a birthday present actually.
Yeah, I actually had a thinner line once, but I lost a big chunk of it.
I was skateboarding down a mountain.
I was going like 40, and someone cut me off, and I kind of hit some gravel, and I went into the ground, and it just ripped the tattoo out.
I actually pulled a little bit of the ink out of the scab.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
adam crigler
So I got that touched up, and now I actually love it so much more.
It's dope.
unidentified
That's awesome.
adam crigler
Yeah, praise the sun.
tim pool
Sean Moore says Jovian means Jupiter.
Jovial.
Cool.
adam crigler
Cool.
tim pool
Joe Ross says, who did Lids vote for in 2016?
lydia smith
I voted for... I voted for Gary Johnson.
Because I didn't like my options.
Yeah, it didn't work out.
tim pool
All right.
It is now 10 p.m.
I actually want to try and get to that gym before it closes.
adam crigler
Hit up that last one.
That's fairly hefty.
tim pool
Which one?
adam crigler
The very last one.
tim pool
NR?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I did.
adam crigler
Oh, you just did.
Oh, that's the tattoo one.
Oh, I appreciate it.
tim pool
So, if you want to get in your Super Chats, Thorman, right now, make sure to follow Adam down there.
adam crigler
Follow me.
tim pool
Because you can send him story ideas.
And this is important.
I can't reach it.
You'll put up a pinned tweet.
adam crigler
I did.
It's always pinned on the top.
tim pool
And then we actually do use the stories that you guys send.
adam crigler
Yeah, you guys really do help.
tim pool
You can follow me at Timcast, where I post on Instagram pictures of cats and skateboarding.
But on Twitter I'm complaining about politics and media and stuff.
lydia smith
So you know what you're getting.
tim pool
You can also follow Lydia.
lydia smith
You can.
Oh, wait.
I have a thing.
There it is.
tim pool
Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S.
lydia smith
On Twitter.
tim pool
And she posts spicy memes.
lydia smith
I post all sorts of stuff.
I ask all sorts of questions.
adam crigler
And you're a meme now.
lydia smith
I am a meme.
adam crigler
I saw your meme today.
unidentified
Yes, I am.
adam crigler
It is hilarious.
tim pool
Is it a meme?
lydia smith
I'm a meme.
adam crigler
Kinda.
I mean, it's a gif.
unidentified
Gif?
adam crigler
It's a gif, right?
Is it a gif?
lydia smith
I didn't show it to him.
adam crigler
Gif or jif?
lydia smith
It's very important.
I'll show him after the show.
adam crigler
Didn't the guy who created it say it was gif?
tim pool
No, he said it was jif.
adam crigler
Oh, jif.
tim pool
He said it was jif.
adam crigler
Oh, okay, cool.
You don't know?
tim pool
He said it was GIF.
lydia smith
I disagree.
adam crigler
With what?
With the way he said it?
tim pool
The guy who made it literally said it was GIF.
unidentified
Okay.
Alright.
lydia smith
But that's how you interpret that?
adam crigler
It's GIF for you?
lydia smith
Yep, that's GIF for me.
adam crigler
So you're a GIF and the rest is GIFs?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
My favorite football team, the Giants.
adam crigler
The Giants?
tim pool
And my favorite show in Vegas, the Magicians.
lydia smith
A soft G is not a thing, like giraffe.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tim pool
That's why it's GIF.
lydia smith
You can have a hard G or a soft G. Right.
tim pool
And the guy who invented it said it's GIF.
lydia smith
Alright.
adam crigler
It's like, could you imagine if someone... Well, you have a gym to go to.
tim pool
Yeah, a gym.
lydia smith
A guy.
tim pool
G-Y.
adam crigler
See what I did there?
lydia smith
Yeah, we got that.
tim pool
All right, all right.
lydia smith
Enough arguing.
tim pool
All right, all right.
Are you following us yet?
Yeah.
Hit the like button.
lydia smith
Share it.
tim pool
Just mash that like button.
And subscribe.
We do the show every Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
because we are workaholics.
And we put up clips from the show.
You can check them out.
And share the show if you like it because with Joe Rogan leaving YouTube eventually, we are all, all of us podcasters on YouTube, Or eventually being, or basically being thrown into the Thunderdome to battle it out.
To take the top spot.
adam crigler
Who's gonna be the best podcast?
tim pool
And we're gonna take it.
adam crigler
Well look out other podcasts.
tim pool
We're all gonna be fighting for that top spot.
adam crigler
Well I guess we're a vodcast.
tim pool
Yeah.
There's a million people.
Actually no, what is it Joe?
We got like 8 million subs?
8 million people being, you know, a vacant space and we're all gonna be like, it's gonna be like American Gladiators with those things.
adam crigler
That was a fun show.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's American Gladiators.
All right, I'll read a little bit.
I'll read these next Super Chats.
adam crigler
Cool.
tim pool
Bravo says, number four buckshot is good for home defense in shotguns.
Porkins Holt says, two-year wedding anniversary.
Shout out, love you D. That's sweet.
Carl's Jr.
says, use telegram.
Twitter is trash.
The Blue Ferret Project says, what's your fave Elder Scrolls race?
Mine is Breton all the way.
adam crigler
I don't have a favorite.
I would switch it up every single time I played.
tim pool
11 Bravo NRD says, Tim, use less than lethal beanie bag shotgun rounds.
lydia smith
Beanie bag.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna wrap it up.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Again, follow us at Timcast, at Adam Kregler, at Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S.
And we will see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m.
And subscribe if you haven't.
Share it with your friends.
Adios, everybody.
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