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Dec. 4, 2023 - RFK Jr. The Defender
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NATO War Machine with Jeffrey Sachs and Link Lauren

NATO's history and problems are discussed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr with Link Lauren and Jeffrey Sachs.

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Hey everybody, I'm doing this special edition of my podcast today to talk about some breaking news about how the United States and England sabotaged the peace agreements in April of 2022, an existing peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia and Putin,
that would have settled the Ukraine war and maintained Ukraine intact with a withdrawal of all the Russian troops, both sides had agreed on, and how the US and Boris Johnson sabotaged that agreement.
Now, we've been talking about this, we've known about this.
For some time we knew about it because of the negotiators, the senior negotiators, which are Natali Bennett, the former Prime Minister of Israel, and senior officials in Turkey.
And in Germany, who had essentially refereed the negotiations.
But now we know about it from a Ukrainian official named David Arikemia, who was the negotiator, who himself is a member of parliament, and he was a negotiator.
And we now have it in his own words.
about how Ukraine was ordered to tear up this agreement that would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
And I have joining me today Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University.
He is the world-renowned economist, professor, best-selling author, innovative educator, and global leader in sustainable development, and Link Lauren.
Link Lauren is a recent NYU graduate focusing on news, politics, unfiltered opinions.
He has more than 160 million views on TikTok.
Link is a First Amendment free speech advocate.
Thank you both for joining me.
Jeffrey, what a new story about putting this in context and telling us just how crazy this is.
You know, the details of it are extraordinary.
It is the damnedest thing.
Of course, we've known about it, but to hear from The lead Ukrainian negotiator, the truth of this useless war in which the United States has wasted more than $100 billion and in which Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of people for nothing.
And that's what we are learning right now.
Now, the point of this is this war was a war because The neocons in the United States pushed NATO expansion, period.
Did we really need to be NATO in Ukraine right on Russia's border?
No.
No reason.
Didn't add to U.S. security at all.
Didn't add to Ukraine security at all.
Put Ukraine right in the bullseye.
So this has been...
Let me interrupt you for a second.
Sure.
You know, there's an additional impetus for the expansion of Ukraine.
As you know, in 1992, our country, the James Baker, the Secretary of State, committed to Gorbachev, who was doing something that was politically suicidal, that would mean that he will never be able to return to Russia again.
He was trying to make peace in the world, a huge personal sacrifice to himself, to allow The unification of Germany, East and West Germany, under a NATO army.
He had to withdraw 450,000 Soviet troops at the time, and he knew that he would never be forgiven by his own people, but he was doing something for world peace, which was dismantling the Soviet Empire and ending the Cold War and allowing us now supposedly to go forward and beat our swords into plowshares and enjoy prosperity rather than eternal conflict and war.
And the one promise he asked in return from our government and from Britain was that if he allowed, under a hostile NATO army, the reunification of Germany to be occupied, move his army out, move our army in, we would never move NATO further to the east.
And then, of course, in 1997, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was the first of the neocons, published this blueprint for moving NATO, 1,000 miles to the east and 14 nations.
So we know that the neocons wanted to do that essentially to provoke the destruction of Russia and further conflict with Russia.
And global U.S. hegemony.
But the other impetus of this is that the military contractors themselves get a huge benefit because every time a new nation joins NATO, that new nation must conform its weapons purchases to NATO's specifications,
which means buying from General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Ray Vion, Owen, and Lockheed, the people who are controlling our government, controlling our press, our media, Who are the real beneficiaries, financial beneficiaries of NATO expansion?
So anyway, I just wanted to make that small.
You know, by the way, of course, every point exactly right.
And I happened to be there.
I was an economic advisor to Gorbachev.
I was an economic advisor to Boris Yeltsin.
I was an economic advisor to the Ukrainians, to President Kuchma.
I saw this with my own eyes.
And Baker...
And the German foreign minister, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, said not one inch eastward.
That's what they said about NATO. And then the neocons, of course, we don't have to do anything.
You know, we don't have to follow anything.
And they started the NATO enlargement.
And just like you said, the committee to expand NATO in the mid-1990s, and you cannot make this up, was headed by the chief lobbyist of Lockheed.
It's not even subtle.
You know, it's just, they want to sell armaments.
And this crazy thing, we had absolutely responsible public officials like William Perry, Clinton's Secretary of Defense, Who said to the president, don't do this?
He threatened to resign.
He threatened to resign.
He was saying, even 20 years later, he's racking his brain, should I have resigned or not?
I knew this was terrible.
We had George Kennan saying, this is the worst Possible policy we can follow.
Start another Cold War?
When we just ended a Cold War that was so expensive and so dangerous, they knew it.
Yeah, but they wanted to sell weapons.
They wanted NATO enlargement.
We had the neocons.
We had the ideology.
Now, this went on year after year, and Brzezinski, exactly, in 1997, spelled it out in a paper called The Strategy for Eurasia, and in a book, The Global Chessboard.
And he said, we're going to move all the way to Ukraine.
Ukraine with a 2,300-kilometer border with Russia.
That's going to be good.
That's real smart.
400 miles from Moscow.
Yeah.
And by the way, in between all of this, in the midst of this, they started the NATO enlargement at the end of the 1990s.
They said, don't do this!
Don't do this!
Then, in 2002, George W. Bush Jr.
adds to this by unilaterally abandoning the nuclear agreement, the anti-ballistic missile treaty.
Then they start putting...
Aegis missiles near Russia.
So this is, again, you can't be more provocative.
Putin said in 2007, after another round of NATO enlargement that took NATO to the Black Sea, Romania and Bulgaria, that took NATO to the Baltic states, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, that took NATO to the Balkan states, Slovakia and Slovenia, Putin said in 2007 at the Munich Security Summit, stop, please stop.
Don't provoke.
You've done the missiles.
You've done the unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty.
You broke the promises that you made of not one inch eastward.
You broke it again and again and again.
You bombed Serbia.
You did so many things.
Stop.
So what do we do?
We're deaf.
This is the whole approach of the military industrial complex.
We don't hear you.
We do what we want.
We don't have to listen to anybody.
It's all fine and good.
We can sell more arms.
So 2008 at the Bucharest NATO summit, Bush pushes the enlargement of NATO to Ukraine and Georgia, not our state of Georgia, the country, Georgia, at the eastern end of the Black Sea.
Look at a map.
That's not the North Atlantic.
I'm sorry.
This is Brzezinski's plan back in 1997 to surround Russia in the Black Sea, despite every warning Every senior responsible diplomat, Bill Burns, our current CIA director, then the ambassador to Moscow, sends a secret memo back called nyet means nyet, no means no.
And what he explains in that memo to Condoleezza Rice, which we know thanks to WikiLeaks, otherwise, like everything else, it would be secret.
He explains to Condoleezza Rice, it's the entire Russian political class.
It's not just Putin.
The entire Russian political class is saying it is absolutely reckless to push NATO into Ukraine, which itself is an ethnically divided country, divided on this issue.
You will stir up the biggest hornet's nest imaginable.
So our diplomats know this, but our politicians, they want to sell weapons, they want campaign contributions, they want the military-industrial complex.
And then, who was the ambassador to NATO in 2008?
And this, again, you can't make this stuff up.
That was Victoria Nuland.
She was Cheney's foreign policy advisor.
Then she was Bush's ambassador to NATO at the enlargement.
And then who takes her?
The other side, because this is the permanent state, this is the military-industrial complex speaking, thank you very much.
So Hillary Clinton grabs her as her advisor, and then suddenly she is the Assistant Secretary of State.
For European affairs.
And what does she do?
She contributes to the overthrow of the last government of Ukraine that was saying, we just want neutrality.
Keep us out of your proxy war.
That was Yanukovych.
So, and let me fill in a little blanks here.
We fund USAID, which is a CIA front.
We give them $5 billion to fund protests, the Madame protests in Ukraine.
And National Endowment for Democracy also.
And the National Endowment for Democracy, which is another CIA front.
The fund protests, which end up overthrowing the government.
And a month before the overthrow, Victoria Nuland has this telephone exchange, which we now have the transcripts of.
We can listen to it.
The Russians intercepted it and put it online for us, so we could hear our own government talking.
She's picking the new cabinet a month before the revolution.
That overthrows the duly elected government of Ukraine.
But by the way, she handpicks the prime minister on that tape, and that person did become the prime minister.
I know it.
I know a lot about what happened in that.
And the United States, oh my God, because this guy's standing in the way of NATO enlargement.
So they overthrow him.
The Ukrainians and the U.S., a typical covert regime change operation.
There's Victoria Nuland.
You'd think maybe that would be the end of her career, having been caught on tape.
Well, she is our leading official today that is still chaperoning this war in Ukraine.
It's unbelievable.
She has been with Cheney.
She was with Bush.
She was with Hillary.
Now she's with Biden because this is the deep state.
This is what America is.
It doesn't matter which party.
They want war.
But what we see now, and I knew a lot of this because I've been involved in this region for a long time, at the end of 2021, President Putin one last time said, we need to negotiate.
This NATO enlargement business is absolutely dangerous to us.
Your missile placements are dangerous to us.
He puts on the table on December 17th, 2021, A draft U.S.-Russia security agreement based on stopping NATO enlargement.
You know what?
It makes so much sense.
I called the White House then and I said, negotiate!
Are you kidding?
Avoid the war!
Do we really need NATO enlargement to have a war?
And we knew that a war would come.
This is what's so disgusting about it.
We knew that a war would come.
Arostovich, Zelensky's advisor, is on tape explaining, yes, we knew it would cause a war.
I don't think they...
Appreciate it was going to cost hundreds of thousands of deaths of Ukrainians.
A disaster worldwide.
But the United States...
They were relying on CIA assessments that said Russia was weak and would soon collapse and that they could negotiate reparations from Russia and all of this crazy stuff.
Yeah, and Bobby, to me, having watched this close-up, To me, it's been like a poker game where I've been looking into the U.S. government hand.
I mean, I know what this is about.
And I say, you've got a lousy hand.
You know, stop, stop raising the ante.
And they keep raising the ante.
They think that this is either some supreme bluff Or they don't understand the basic rules of poker or the basic rules of geopolitics.
And they have no idea what they're up against because they think, okay, our sanctions.
Remember, that was once called the nuclear option, so-called, that we were going to cut Russia out of the swift banking system.
Well, that really, that was a decisive end to the war.
You know, they got it wrong at every single step.
Now, what was revealed just now by this David Arakamiya, who is the head of Zelenskyy's party in the Ukrainian parliament, is something I've known from other insiders since that time, and it's the following.
After December, Putin put a last offer on the table, and really an offer that made sense to negotiate.
The US, Jake Sullivan, all the rest, no, we don't negotiate.
Newland, we don't negotiate.
Biden, we don't negotiate.
The war starts.
Okay.
Actually, that's not the right way to put it.
The war started in February 2014.
But Russia's special military operation started on February 24, 2022.
And why was it a special military operation?
It wasn't a huge army.
They weren't out to take over the whole country.
And this is what this guy acknowledges.
What they were after was something very simple and straightforward.
They wanted to push the Ukrainians to the negotiating table to say, okay, okay, we'll take neutrality.
Let me interrupt again.
Yeah.
Putin sends in 40,000 troops.
And, you know, the Minsk Accords have now collapsed, which was the original peace agreement.
That's right.
That would have left Ukraine intact.
And it did three things.
One, it kept NATO, it did for the Russians, it kept NATO permanently out.
Number two, it denazified Ukraine.
In other words, there were four ministers who are from an ultra-right party for very powerful people in the government, and ultra-right is a very nice way of saying what they really are.
And then the last thing that they wanted was to have...
Ukraine be a semi-autonomous region.
The Donbass to be a semi-autonomous region.
Donbass to be.
Eastern Ukraine.
Semi-autonomous so they can retain their own language and not be warred upon.
14,000 of them have been killed by the aggression from the Kyiv government.
So then Zelensky runs on one issue.
He's an actor and a comedian.
He runs on one issue.
I'm going to sign the Minsk Accords.
He gets in there and suddenly he pivots.
He wins 70% of the vote because he's a peace candidate and people in Ukraine want peace.
But he gets in there and pivots.
Nobody knows exactly what happened, but we kind of know what happened, which is Victoria Nguyen was pressuring him and the Nazis or the ultra-righters inside the Ukraine government were telling him they were going to kill him.
He withdraws.
Putin goes in and he only sends 40,000 troops.
This is a nation of 44 million people.
Clearly, he does not want to conquer them as we're being told.
He does not want to march into Europe as our propagandists in the media are telling us.
There's stenographers who are repeating the neocon propaganda.
He doesn't want that.
He just wants them at the negotiating table.
And that's what David, Eric Covey acknowledges how they didn't want to conquer us.
They just wanted us to come back and negotiate with them.
And that's really one of the stunning parts of his admissions.
And that's what happens after that.
So, Bobby, one thing we have to keep in mind.
Thank you in a minute, Link.
No, no, you guys go.
It's all good.
Bobby, you know it better than anybody.
Our government lies every moment beginning to end.
And so one of the big lies of many in this war is this had nothing to do with NATO. This had nothing to do with NATO. Anyone who knows anything knows this was all about NATO. That was the essence of it.
By the way, the Minsk agreement was an agreement for this autonomy of eastern Ukraine that was signed by the Ukrainians.
That was endorsed, backed, committed 100% unanimously in the U.N. Security Council.
And then the U.S. said, eh, you don't have to do it.
You don't have to do it.
So it was another part of the whole story.
Just false promises from the U.S. side repeatedly.
And until December 2021, they're not talking, Russia's not talking about taking territory.
They're talking about enforce the Minsk agreement.
No, you don't have to enforce the Minsk Agreement, the US says.
And incidentally, this lie that we were told over and over, it has nothing to do with NATO, and I said it all the time, of course it's NATO. Oh, sacks, you, you know, Putin apologist and so forth.
Listen to what the Secretary General of NATO said.
Jens Stoltenberg said, I think by accident, a couple of months ago when he was speaking to the European Parliament, he says, and I'm quoting him, the background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021 and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign to promise no more NATO enlargement.
That's what he sent us and was a precondition for not invade Ukraine.
Of course we didn't sign that.
Stoltenberg says, of course we didn't.
Why, of course, for heaven's sake, why not avoid a war that would kill a half a million Ukrainians, that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars?
Of course we didn't sign it, says Stoltenberg.
So what happens is, within a few days of this beginning of this operation in February 2022, when we're told, oh, he's trying to invade all of Ukraine and so forth, Zelensky says, okay, okay, we'll talk.
And they start negotiating.
And what Arakamiya says is what I also knew.
He said, the only thing that really mattered was neutrality.
He drops the demand for denazification.
He says the rest was cosmetics, says this negotiator.
He says, yeah, the rest was blah, blah, blah.
He says the Russians were ready to end the war if we take neutrality.
Okay, that is absolutely the point.
And now, this goes on, they come close to signing.
Actually, Naftali Bennett, who you mentioned, the former Prime Minister of Israel, he's an informal intermediary.
The Turks In Ankara, who are very skilled diplomats in the Black Sea region for many hundreds of years, are mediating, and they're basically at an agreement.
And then it stops.
And the Ukrainians walk out.
And our economy tells us why.
He says we would not accept neutrality.
We were told not to accept neutrality.
We were told by Bojo, Boris Johnson, who came in person, but he's carrying the message for the big boys and the big girls, for Newland and the neocons and Biden.
No, you just keep fighting on.
And this is...
And after that happened, Bobby, I... I was so discouraged because the end of the war was in sight.
I flew to Ankara to meet with the negotiators and I had a long discussion with them about all of this and I knew this story.
And then Naftali Bennett comes out in an interview.
He explains the whole thing and it's crazier Then we think it's crazy because the United States tells them, tells Bennett and tells the Ukraine, no, you fight on and we have to show strength to China.
Can you believe even China enters this crazy mindset of these people?
These people are so stupid.
And before, Link, before you talk, I just want to give the quote that Arikami quotes.
Boris Johnson is clearly sent there by President Biden.
Boris Johnson tells them, essentially, tear up the agreement.
We will not sign anything with them at all.
Let's just fight.
That is his quote.
And 450,000 kids have died.
Bobby, can I read you something that comes out of our Armed Services Committee, my former party, the Democratic Party, which I have left because of the same reason.
They're warmongers.
This is what Richard Blumenthal Published recently in the Kinetic Post, his hometown newspaper in late August, he writes, even Americans who have no particular interest in freedom and independence in democracies worldwide should be satisfied that we're getting our money's worth on our Ukraine investment.
For less than 3% of our nation's military budget, we've enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia's military strength by half.
We've united NATO and caused the Chinese to rethink their invasion plans for Taiwan.
We've helped restore faith and confidence in American leadership, moral and military, all without a single American service woman or man, injured or lost, and without any diversion or misappropriation of American aid.
It's utter moral and intellectual bankruptcy.
I wrote to him afterwards aghast.
I've never seen such garbage, such nonsense coming out of the Senate like this.
He didn't write back, of course.
Every word is a lie of that.
But also the moral assumption that we should, you know, that the lives of Ukrainian kids, you know, are not a factor.
They're now sending the girls to the trenches.
They're killing the women now, the young women.
They're about to mobilize at our, because we tell them to.
Send more deaths.
Hundreds of thousands of deaths.
But now the story is so completely clear.
This war could have ended.
This war could end now.
Biden needs to be a grown-up.
Pick up the phone.
Call the President Putin.
That's a very good segue to, Link, because, Link, you've been following very closely the Biden administration's recent policies and this flurry of visits from the Biden White House by high-level officials.
Can you tell us about that?
Right.
So the quote you just read from Blumenthal, it's basically part and parcel of what the Biden administration has been saying.
They've been doing this sales job that we have to fight this war in Ukraine because it benefits the middle class.
It's really going to help the middle class.
The middle class people who write to me, they're not buying that.
These are direct quotes.
These are things from Jake Sullivan, people who surround the president.
It's going to help bolster the middle class.
No, it's going to help the defense contractors.
What was it back in September?
They wanted $24 billion in aid.
Congress didn't approve that.
Then they had that big aid package Biden wanted for like $106 billion.
$61.4 billion was supposed to be for Ukraine.
Somebody working at a gas station in the United States, they don't want their tax dollars going to fund a war in Ukraine that they don't see going anywhere.
And then 60 Minutes, on September 25th, 60 Minutes does an episode, and it's to sell the war in Ukraine.
In 60 Minutes, they just did a softball with Biden, they did a softball with Kamala Harris, all talking about how we have to support our allies and our friends in Ukraine.
We have to do it, we have to do it.
On this episode, they show where our money is being spent and how it's being used in Ukraine.
And people were absolutely incensed.
So we're paying the salaries of about 50,000 Ukrainian workers.
We're paying for seeds and fertilizers.
The kicker is we are subsidizing small businesses in Ukraine.
And they showed this woman.
She has a nice shop, beautiful shop on a nice street.
She sells scarves and sweaters.
Well, when Americans, the populist America, saw that, they were outraged.
Why are our tax dollars paying to keep small businesses open so they can sell scarves and sweaters when we lost millions of our own small businesses during a pandemic that have never recovered?
And it's just this sales job over and over and over with the war in Ukraine, and it's going nowhere and it doesn't advance American interest.
And that's where my priorities are.
What's best for the everyday American, the forgotten man, the forgotten woman?
And now we've had it.
Pete Buttigieg has just been over there recently.
Right.
Yeah.
And maybe, Jeffrey, you can explain this.
What does Mayor Pete, the Secretary of Transportation, have any business to do with Ukraine?
Why is he making trips to hang out with Zelensky?
And then Lloyd Austin, the Secretary of Defense, the Pentagon, they just failed their sixth audit in a row, right?
The Pentagon has never passed an audit.
The next day, Lloyd Austin makes a surprise trip to Ukraine to shake hands with Zelensky, to do a photo op, to give a speech in front of Zelensky, wherever he lives.
And this is just all a sales job.
Why do our elected officials spend more time going to Ukraine than our own southern border?
It's because they'd rather finance these overseas forever wars than take care of the issues here on the home front.
And I'm absolutely incensed over it.
It's unconscionable.
I'm representing a thousand families in East Palestine.
Ohio, and President Biden has never been there to visit these people whose lives were devastated and upended by the Norfolk Southern spill.
He has not been down to the border.
All of the areas that Americans are really concerned about, middle-class Americans are struggling with, that's completely unacknowledged.
The entire budget, or EPA, is $12 billion.
That's our entire spending on the environment in this country.
That's all we got.
And we're sending now, if they get that $61 billion that he's now asking, it'll be $200 billion.
So it'll be 15 times that.
The entire EPA budget we're sending to Ukraine, and there's no accounting over there.
And Jeff, you know something about that.
I do.
I was going to hop in on this as well.
I mean, something I talk about in my videos.
So I get about 20 million views a month on my TikTok page.
Some of my biggest videos are about Ukraine.
And when it comes to spending all this money over there, Americans are sick of it.
Why has President Biden not visited East Palestine, Ohio, where they have toxic waste and sludge pouring into their town?
But you've made multiple trips to see your best friend Zelensky.
And Americans are keen on this.
And that's why they're going to go to the voting booth and let their voices be heard in November of 2024.
It's terrible.
And I have to come back to the fact that there are so many deaths every day in Ukraine.
It's not like we're even...
Helping Ukraine.
We're destroying Ukraine.
We're busting the US budget.
We're not paying attention to our own problems.
But we're not even helping there.
We're destroying the country.
They had the chance for peace.
They had the chance for security.
We told them no.
You just keep fighting.
Why?
Oh, we want to look strong to China.
Are you kidding?
And by the way, this is weakening Russia's army?
No, just the opposite.
Anyone that watches this war knows Russia is technologically upgrading its army every day, mobilizing more soldiers.
Ukraine is getting smashed.
So this has nothing to do with Ukraine.
This has nothing to do with China.
You think they're quaking in the boots watching how Ukraine is going down the drain?
And by the way, just to mention on the economic side, the budget's completely out of control.
So Biden, you know, there are huge deficits.
The debt has soared.
Interest rates on a 30-year mortgage have hit 8%.
You know, we've got a real issue here, but that also doesn't register.
They're just completely, they've lost it because this is a project of a small group that has so misplayed things Basically, for 30 years, it's been wrongheaded from the start.
It's been a predictable disaster.
But this small group can't admit it.
Quite the contrary.
They keep lying to us, even though the truth now comes out.
It comes out from the NATO Secretary General.
It comes out from the Ukrainian negotiator.
I, as someone who sees it from the inside, I've known this all along, but now you hear these voices clearly stating absolutely, vividly what's happening.
So it makes no sense anywhere.
Get rid of Newland already, please.
This has been a disaster.
But sad to say, Biden's been part of this all along.
This is a long story.
He's been deeply into this, and it's just absolutely awful.
Let me ask you one other thing, Jeffrey, and then I'm going to let you guys go, because the shorter we keep these things, the better they do, I find.
You know, we've committed $113 billion over there, and I think another $24 billion that we committed last summer.
Where is that money going besides U.S. military contractors?
When it gets there, I mean, is Zelensky getting rich?
Are people in his government getting rich?
Do we know anything about that?
Look, lots of things are said.
What we know is that there is no audit.
There is no information.
There are rumors galore.
It stands to reason.
There's huge profiteering, smuggling, weapons show up all over the place.
A lot of this is basically cash to a government that is completely without audits and control.
So none of that is known, of course.
You can only imagine.
Now, if this were the greatest cause in the world, You might say, okay, but this isn't even a cause in the interest of the Ukrainians.
This is just a disaster gone even worse and longer than anyone could have imagined.
And so there's complete corruption, fraud.
We know that.
We don't know the details.
We know that the battlefield losses are multiplying.
We know that this idea of weakening Russia turned out to be exactly the opposite.
I would say predictably so, but whether it was predictable or not, I predicted it.
But whether it was predictable or not, we know it now.
But there are a few people that have been at this, and they haven't told us the truth.
In fact, they've told us lies all along, and they just want to keep the lies going until next November.
I think, Bobby, you're going to show him something next November.
That's my view.
So I think that this idea that you can keep this disaster going so cynically until next November, of course it's not going to work.
But that's what they're trying to do.
Yeah, and I wanted to hop in here because a lot of people forget Ukraine is the number two most corrupt country in all of Europe, right?
So when we're sending billions and billions of dollars to a country that's already number two most corrupt in all of Europe, it gives me a little bit of pause, right?
And then Time Magazine, you know, they just did a whole piece in time.
And they apparently interviewed some of Zelensky's top advisors, and you guys can go find the issue.
In the issue, Zelensky's top advisors say he's deluded, he's lost the plot, he's turned into a madman, he's going a little stir-crazy.
They also say, and I quote, people are stealing like there's no tomorrow.
So when Americans hear this, and they're struggling to keep their small businesses open, and Zelensky's advisors say people are stealing like there's no tomorrow in the number two most corrupt country in Europe, Why can't we end this?
Let's end it and put a period on the sentence once and for all.
And save Ukraine by doing so.
Right.
Exactly.
All right.
And let me just ask you guys, before we sign off, how can people find you?
Link Lauren, how do they find you?
You can find me on Twitter and TikTok at It's Link Lauren.
And thank you guys so much for having me, by the way.
Great to be with you.
Jeffrey, how can people find you?
How can I make your incredible sub stack, which I'm addicted to?
Yeah, just jeffsax.org, and you can find what I'm writing and interviews and so forth.
All right, well, give my love to Sonia.
I'll do it.
Bless both of you, Link.
Thank you for joining.
Bye, Bobby.
Bye, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey, we'll talk to you soon.
Terrific.
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