Robert F. Kennedy Jr discusses CIA Operations including Project MK-Ultra, Project MK-Search, Project Artichoke, and others in this interview on the app, Clubhouse.
MK-Ultra infamously involved human experimentation intended to develop procedures and identify drugs such as LSD that could be used in interrogations to weaken individuals and force confessions through brainwashing and psychological torture.
The discussion was lead by The Preservation of the Human Race Club. Learn more about them here: https://www.clubhouse.com/club/preservationofthehumanrace
Yeah, I think first we'd just like to talk about, give a quick background and then kind of especially touch on, you know, the big one for Monsanto and what that means for other cases.
Around 2017, I founded the predecessor to Children's Health Defense.
I also have been doing for over a decade Multi-district and class action litigation against pharmaceutical companies and against big polluters.
So I did the case, the DuPont case, that is now the subject of the Mark Ruffalo film, Dark Waters, if you've seen that.
I was on the trial team in the Monsanto case.
Where we won the three Monsanto cases.
The first one, we won $289 million for Roundup.
The second one, we won $89 million.
That was a federal case that we were supposed to lose.
The third one, we were back in the state Supreme Court or Superior Court in California.
And we won a $2.2 billion judgment from the jury.
Billion with a B. We've unsettled all of the cases, and there were some 40,000 cases with Monsanto.
It's interesting how scary it could be with a company like Monsanto being bought by Bayer.
Is there anything in particular with that buy that we should be concerned about as citizens every day?
Well, the Bayer purchase was interesting because we had already filed our lawsuit When Bayer purchased Monsanto, and when we filed our lawsuit, Bayer paid $63 billion for Monsanto.
About six months later, when we had finished two of our lawsuits, the total value of Bayer was $63 billion.
So our lawsuits raised 100% of the value of Monsanto.
It's probably one of the worst corporate purchases in history.
It caused some huge amounts of money and it almost caused the dissolution of Bayer.
The supposition behind your question is a good one.
Companies like Bayer, which is a huge pharmaceutical and chemical company with unlimited power, should be frightening and a democracy.
Thank you.
Definitely.
One of the things I wanted to follow up on with all that being said is your book that just came out.
You had outlined and cited quite a bit of information regarding Dr.
Fauci in your new book.
How can someone who looks well credential wise but has a troublesome past get into such a position of authority?
Well, Tony Fauci is the J. Edgar Hoover of public health, and the sad thing about our health agencies is that they become templates for agency capture.
Agency capture is a phenomenon that happens to virtually all regulatory agencies, to some extent or another, where they become the sock puppets for the industry that they're supposed to regulate.
Well, this happens everywhere.
I'd say in the hundreds of losses that I brought against pollution, probably 20% to a quarter were against regulatory agencies who were making sweetheart deals with polluters that were illegal, and we had to sue to force them to do their job.
The polluters and pharmaceutical companies in many, many ways of corrupting and capturing the agencies with The public health agencies that capture phenomena is on steroids.
And the reason for that is because of unprecedented financial entanglements between regulatory agencies and pharmaceutical companies.
For example, FDA gets 45% of its total budget from pharmaceutical companies.
CDC spends $4.9 billion of its $12 billion budget purchasing vaccines from the vaccine companies and then distributing them.
You do not get promotions or salary increases at CDC for finding problems with the vaccines.
You get promoted by increasing vaccine updates.
The regulatory agency has really become a subsidiary and an arm of the industry.
CDC, in fact, owns 57 vaccine patents.
Every time those vaccines are sold, CDC makes money.
Or HHS is its mother agency.
NIH, which is Tony Fauci's agency, owns thousands of patents.
And that agency can get up to half the revenues, which means billions and billions and billions of dollars.
And not only that, but individuals, Tony Fauci's top deputies in that agency, under HHS rules, are allowed to also Oh, Tony Fauci can designate certain of his loyal lieutenants to receive patent rights to all of the products, and he has designated at least four of them.
To receive patent rights to the Moderna vaccine, which means those individuals on top of their government salaries will receive $150,000 a year for life from vaccine royalties as long as Moderna keeps selling vaccines.
So those people have very little incentive to find problems with that vaccine or create recalls or create problems with its marketing.
They want to see that vaccine sold and that is not a good impulse for public health within a public health agency.
So in regards to the vaccines and the whole situation about potentially having Already having resources and aside from the money aspect, is there anything we can do to battle that and like regular citizens demand that we get clinical trials on new indications for existing meds?
Unfortunately, the clinical trials for the Pfizer vaccine, which is the only approved vaccine, were And let me explain very briefly what happened.
The clinical trials are supposed to last for four years until the end of 2023.
But Tony Fauci allowed them to terminate the trials in six months of eight, unblinded the trials, and they gave the vaccine to the placebo group.
That means that we have no idea and we never will have any idea about what the long-term health impacts of those vaccines are.
Why did they blind it, unblind it?
Well, clearly, by that time, by the time they unblinded it, they knew that the vaccine efficacy was declining like a stone.
Within two months, it had lost significant efficacy.
Within six months, it basically has lost all of its efficacy.
And that's why people need boosters.
And what we're seeing in places now, like the most vaccinated places on earth, which are Gibraltar, Israel, Vermont, is the most vaccinated state.
It has the highest COVID rates.
So clearly they had to...
And the trials quicker than they thought.
Now, here's what they did.
They made a full report of what happened during that period to FDA. So they gave the six-month study, and here's what the six-month study said.
There's 22,000 people in the vaccine group and roughly 22,000 in the placebo group.
Over a six-month period, the key graph, by the way, is the all-cause mortality graph, which is S4, for those of you who want to Look up.
And that graph, which you can see when you look at it, there was, of the 22,000 people in the vaccine group, there was one death over six months of the COVID death.
Of the 22,000 people in the placebo group, there were two COVID deaths.
So that allowed the claim to the American people That the vaccine is 100% effective because two is 100% of one.
That is a metric called relative risk.
Most Americans think they're talking about absolute risk when they hear it's 100% effective.
And what that would mean, Americans believe that if you get the vaccine, you're 100% not likely to get COVID. That's not what it means.
What it really means is they have to give 22,000 vaccines to prevent one COVID death.
Well, if you have to give 22,000 vaccines, you better make sure that none of those vaccines is going to cause a single death.
Or you would have completely cancelled out 100% of the benefits, the mortality benefits from the vaccine.
So here's what, unfortunately, what their own data shows, which you can see if you go to this chart, S4. In the vaccine group, there were 20 deaths of the 22,000 people over six months from all causes.
In the placebo group, there were only 14 deaths from all causes.
So if you look at that data and extrapolate, what that means is that if you get the vaccine, you're 48% more likely to die over the next six months.
How were they dying?
How did those excess deaths occur?
Well, most of them, almost all of them were heart attacks.
So in the vaccine group, there were five fatal heart attacks in the six months.
In the placebo group, there was only one.
What that suggests is that if you take the vaccine, you have a 500% elevated risk of dying from a heart attack over the next six months compared to unvaccinated people.
Another way of looking at that is that for every life that they save from COVID, the vaccines are causing four deaths.
from heart attacks and that is not a good formula and I think if the American people had a widespread awareness of that they'd be less likely to comply with the vaccine mandates and they definitely would not let their kids comply because what we're seeing is what's causing those heart attacks is myocarditis, pericarditis and thrombosis and those appear to be affecting athletes and children
in other words people with very robust immune systems and pulmonary systems much worse than older groups.
Mr. Kennedy If you don't mind me asking, what is the key or what key ingredient is most concerning or perhaps the trigger for the myocarditis or the heart attacks?
Do we have any data to suggest what's causing this?
Or in your opinion, what is the most concerning key ingredient?
I can't answer that question because the science on that is not completely clear.
But it appears that the spike protein causes blood clots.
And that is what's causing, you know, that is what's causing these.
It irritates what they call the epiphelia, which is the lining of the blood vessels, and it throws off a lot of clots.
And that appears to be the source of a lot of these pulmonary and coronary issues.
I don't think yet we have the absolute answer to that question.
Got you.
And I'm not sure if this was asked earlier, but as they had mentioned recently in the news that I guess the FDA was requiring or asking for 55 years to release Pfizer vaccine data.
What are the odds of that being overturned and perhaps us accessing the data earlier?
Or is that the general period?
In my view, we should win that case.
It should be alarming to Americans that You know, this process, which was so hasty and so haphazard, but they said, don't worry, we're going to make it completely transparent.
And now the FDA is petitioning a court to deny freedom of information access to the clinical trial data that it promised it would be transparent about.
And not only that, when the court said, how long do you want to delay the FDA, how long do you want to stop the American public from looking at Pfizer's data?
The FDA answered that question 55 years.
So what is in that data that they are so anxious to hide or long enough to make sure everybody involved in the process, everybody who made decisions and everybody who knows the answers is dead and can no longer be sued?
Wow, that's heavy.
Something else that we wanted to ask, or Augustus, you may want to jump in more because I think you know more about it, but Event 201 and, you know, are these simulations on intelligence that's unknown to everyday citizens, or is it more like just simply statistical likelihood of an event occurring?
Right.
I mean, the only information I really know is the stuff that you actually had mentioned in the speech that you gave at Times Square last month.
Amazing speech, by the way.
That was really moving at the March Against the Media.
And in that, you had mentioned that you had gotten a booklet.
And the booklet, there was like 14 other simulations.
I mean, I thought that that was next level.
Yeah.
So, for people who don't know, Event 201 was an event, was a simulation of a pandemic, of a coronavirus pandemic.
It took place in October 2019.
It was a full-day simulation at the Piero Hotel in New York City.
It was hosted by Bill Gates and by Avril Haines, who was the deputy director of the CIA, former deputy director, and is today the head of national security agencies.
So she's the top spy in the country and she's managing the coronavirus pandemic response.
And so, you know, the first question is, why is the CIA involved in pandemics?
And then, you know, and I'm going to answer that question in a minute.
Also there, you have to remember, this is October 2019.
It's already circulating.
The Chinese already know about it.
The hospital parking lots were filled with people already.
There were people from the lab being shipped to, you know, who were sick with COVID symptoms.
What's significant to event 201 is that one of the people there at that event are social media companies, major media companies like Bloomberg and Washington Post, pharmaceutical companies like Johnson& Johnson, and George Gale of the Chinese CDC. Somebody who had good reason to know what's happening in Wuhan at that time, which is a public health emergency.
So they are simulating, believe it or not, a worldwide global coronavirus pandemic.
And the coronavirus has escaped from a lab.
And what they drill has nothing to do with medicine or healing or public health.
It's all about how do you use a pandemic As a pretense for clamping down totalitarian controls, for abolishing freedom of speech, for locking people in their houses.
There's nothing about it.
Okay, everybody, we need to stockpile vitamin D and zinc.
We need to link all the 11 million doctors around the front, like doctors around the globe, to figure out, to get them to reporting.
It's not about how do we quarantine the sick?
How do we preserve the Constitution during a pandemic?
All the things that you and I would want them to be doing, they don't do any of those things.
What they do instead is they're talking about the controlled demolition of democracy in our country and all across the globe.
Well, they spent an entire seminar, the fourth seminar and longest, talking about how to suppress rumors on the internet, on the social media sites, that this coronavirus pandemic escaped from a lab.
So, George Gayo and all these other people Are talking about when they start talking about when people start saying on the internet that this was a lab escape, it was an engineered virus.
How did we get the social media companies to shut that down?
It's a very suspicious thing that they were doing.
Incredibly, you know, it was an incredible act of soothsaying by these guys.
Two months later, we're doing exactly...
And they're talking about mRNA vaccines.
That's the whole seminar on that.
How do we get everybody to take an mRNA vaccine?
But when I started looking at this history, what I found was this was not a one-off event.
They were doing this basically every year since 2020.
And in fact, they started doing it In 2019, the first one, dark winter, which was an anthrax attack.
And three months after they did this anthrax attack simulation, there was an anthrax attack.
And it was so close to the simulation that after the simulation, Congress, the Senate held hearings on our vulnerability to an anthrax attack.
And when the anthrax attack occurred, that happened.
Hearing was going on.
And then, of course, later it turned out the anthrac was blamed on Saddam Hussein and we went to war in Iraq.
But afterwards, the FBI report found that actually it did not come from Saddam.
It came from one of three U.S. military labs.
And that, you know, immediately after the anthrac attacks, we passed the Patriot Act.
The two people who had been voting against the Patriot Act, Patrick Leahy, And Gary Hart, the two leaders, they were the ones who were attacked with anthrax.
So the whole thing is really sketchy.
And it was all predicted by this, you know, pandemic simulation.
And then they did these simulations again and again year They are all orchestrated and hosted by the CIA. So each one of them, there's high-level CIA officers.
Also, almost all of them, have a famous person to give the thing the imprimatur of authenticity and credibility.
So they'll have Madeleine Albright or...
Gary Hart, Senator Sam Nunn, some other congressmen, Bill Gates, Fauci.
So each one of them has a well-known figure.
And some of them involve 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 people.
The frontline workers, they were classified, so nobody's allowed to talk about them.
Utilities all across our country, hospitals, frontline workers, law enforcement agencies are all involved, not only in our country, but simultaneously.
And the series is called Operation Lockstep.
And what it is, is how you get all of the Western liberal democracies to pivot at the same time and demolish constitutional government.
And it's very, very scary and informative.
There's that process of mass formation, the process of mass formation, which is like that mass hypnosis, mass psychosis process that I think has a lot to do with it, too.
Yeah, I mean, all of the techniques...
They've used on us during the last year, which is this orchestrated fear, the constant propaganda, the confused data, all of the efforts to kind of undermine social institutions and economies, the shutting down of the economy, the separation of families, separation of people.
Social are all techniques that are These are outlined in the CIA manuals of how you take over an indigenous country, you sow confusion, you erode faith in institutions, you destroy the economy, you separate people, you create polarization, turn them against each other, you use propaganda to fill everybody with fear.
You vacillate with truth and lies.
You send out rumors of war, rumors of war.
All of these techniques, and particularly isolation, are techniques that have been outlined for many, many years in the CIA manual.
How do you lock an entire country under house arrest and induce this well-known syndrome called Stockholm Syndrome, which is a condition where People who are locked up become grateful to their captors and believe that anybody who criticized their captors is the enemy and believe that the only way to survive all is through utter obedience and compliance
with the wishes of their captors.
And you can do that to a whole country, as it turns out.
Wow, that's pretty scary.
Are those the same techniques that they were using back in the 60s, or are these more newly developed?
No, they developed it over many years.
The CIA was engaged in 73 coup d'etats against a third of the countries in the world.
Between 1947 and 2000, so they were developing these techniques all the time.
In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, they put huge amounts of money into the university system to research the questions of mass control of societies and individual communities.
They were exploring how do you turn somebody into a Manchurian candidate so that you can trigger them to murder people.
You know, an innocent person, essentially, they were doing all of these techniques.
They were funding experiments at over 150 college universities in the United States, Canada, and some in Central America, too.
And they were using prisoners.
They were using people who were expendable.
They were using hobos and bums from the street.
They were using people from mental institutions, from prisons, from The military from foster homes, etc.
And they were doing these very, the program was called MKUltra, and of course, everybody on this phone knows about this, and Operation Arctic Choke, and there was a lot of other names for it, too.
MKSearch was another one.
I think Corey had a question.
Yeah, that's what I wanted to get to.
Hey, Mr.
Kennedy, thanks again for your time.
What I was going to say is, you know, coming from a family that is synonymous with the freedom movement and trying to shed light in the shadow areas of government, this truth movement we're seeking today, what would you say is the most important message that you have to pass on to kind of the individuals today that may be struggling with what you said,
like that may be the, I don't know, 66% of people that are Are afraid to stand up or maybe ashamed at maybe the fact that they've gone ahead and taken the vaccine or not stood up for their family or not stood up to their employer.
What would that message be to those people?
I would say we need to build the resistance in a way.
The people we're fighting are insurmountable.
As I show, it's the intelligence agencies, the military, these pharmaceutical companies.
It's virtually 533 out of 535 members of Congress.
It's the entire media, the entire social media is all on their side.
So how do we win that?
And the answer is you win one convert at a time.
There is a conversion going on now.
You know, when we started this, there was maybe 5% or 10% of people were with us, and that's getting bigger and bigger.
And the conversions all happen from...
The way propaganda works is that people hear the same message again and again and again.
No matter how much of a cognitive departure there is from reality, if they hear it enough, they'll believe it.
What we need to do is start letting them hear another message, but not from Anderson Cooper, not from John Fauci, but from you and me.
So every day, we all need to commit civil disobedience, which means I'm not going to come in this door anymore, and I'm going to tell my friends not to.
And you talk to people who are subsumed in the orthodoxy, and you try to wake them up.
And I can give you a hint about that, because I talked to a very well-known psychologist and social psychologist, and I said, how do you get people who are in the midst of a mass psychosis, how do you get them out of it?
What he said to me is, here's what you can't do.
You cannot show them facts and figures.
You make a direct assault on their belief system.
They'll look at you as dangerous.
They simply will not be able to hear what you say.
The only way that you can convert those people is through Socratic method, is by questioning them and doing it in a way that's not threatening.
Ask them a question.
Do you think that a vaccine that can't prevent transmission can end a pandemic?
Do you think that we ought to be mandating people receive a vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission?
You know, or whatever.
There's a million questions that you all have if you even think about this for a second.
And it's asking those questions at plants that see that opens a little door of light.
And once that gets in, it's like putting a camel's nose under the tent.
The light is going to get in.
The camel is going to grow in there eventually.
So all of our job is to talk to one or two people every day and try to open their eyes.
And, you know, if enough of us do that, we will hit a tipping point pretty soon where we have 40 or 50 or 60 percent of the people.
And then, you know, no matter how strong the barriers that these institutions put against us, we will be able to tear them down.
Thank you so much, Mr.
Kennedy.
It's an honor to have you on stage here.
I just wanted to briefly say that there's a lot of us on Clubhouse, hundreds of thousands of people that are resisting, and this is one of the few platforms at the time that we can actually do that.
And I just wanted you to know that there are people here.
We're united in resisting, and we will continue that and would love to have you back.
Thank you so much for being gracious with your time, and it's truly a blessing to have you here.
Thank you for that.
And it's really heartening, because I don't really know much about Clubhouse.
It's really heartening to find a community of people who actually are on a site where we're allowed to talk to each other, we're allowed to express this, and we're allowed to have conversations and debate, which is what democracy thrives on.
We need to create institutions where we can start We're talking to each other where we can find common ground.
It's not Republicans against Democrats or blacks against whites.
The elites, the oligarchy, want the division.
They want us fighting each other.
They want us hating each other.
And that way they can steal everything that we got.
So one of the acts of civil disobedience that you can do is to buy my book and to give it to somebody, give it to a relative who doesn't agree with you, give it to somebody for Christmas.
We need, you know, books are, and by the way, I make no money from the book.
100% of my profits go to children's health events or run our litigation, etc.
But the book is a really important device.
One is because the only place they can, they're not censoring right now, is book.
Although, you know, no publisher will publish a review of it, but I'm still number one on Amazon.
The big challenge is to become number one on the New York Times list because that will be excruciating to them.
That will be a punch to the gut.
And the New York Times has all these methodologies for keeping books like this off of its list.
It will do everything it can to keep us off So if you're going to buy a book, the best place to do it is in a Barnes& Noble or an independent bookstore near you.
The best thing is to walk in and buy five copies or to buy online from that bookstore.
And that itself is a really important act of civil disobedience.
We can keep this book on the top.
It is more and more embarrassing.
It makes more and more other sites call me and say, I want to talk to you.
Our reach gets louder and wider and broader.
So that's something everybody can do.
Give it to your relatives.
Give it to your friends.
And thank you to all the Clubhouse community for your support.
The best thing I can say is if there's people on this who don't agree with me and are able to have a conversation with people they do not agree with.
I love that.
That's what we ought to be doing.
That's the only way we're going to save our democracy.
Thank you all very much.
Mr.
Kennedy, on behalf of the entire club, Preservation of the Human Race, we really thank you for your time today.
We really admire you for being courageous and for being able to join us on this platform.
And we will be sharing that link.
Thank you for clarifying the difference between Amazon and Barnes& Noble.
