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April 14, 2021 - RFK Jr. The Defender

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Modern McCarthyism with Dr Naomi Wolf

Dr. Naomi Wolf and RFK Jr discuss censorship and the parallels of McCarthyism then and now. Kennedy said: "We passed the First Amendment of the Constitution in this country specifically to prevent government officials from interfering with free speech, particularly speech that criticizes government policies."

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	Naomi Wolf, thank you very much.
	Thank you for everything that you do, and thanks for joining us today.
	I was shocked to be told by one of your colleagues that a state senator in my home state of New York has actually made a public announcement in a press release that I read, as if he's proud of it, alerting the world to the fact that he'd reached out to Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, to get UD platform for medical services.
	Would you tell us about that, please?
	The senator's name is Brad Holliman, and he's a senator from Lower Manhattan.
	And he's been very active for many years on the vaccine issue and on getting rid of vaccine exemptions for the MMR vaccine and the other vaccines in New York State.
	He sent a letter to Twitter accusing me and also my organization, the Children's Health Defense, Of using, of passing misinformation on Twitter.
	He did not specify exactly what the misinformation was.
	And as you know, at Children's Health Defense, we do not post misinformation.
	We, in fact, we fact check the movement.
	If we see misinformation from people who are trying to support safe vaccines, we alert them.
	On our advisory board, we have a Nobel Prize laureate, Luc Montagnier, who discovered the HIV virus and won the Nobel Prize in 1983.
	We have two former chiefs of the National Toxicity Program.
	We have dozens of PhDs and scientists and doctors, and they would not tolerate if we were passing on misinformation.
	So we fact check everything that we do.
	All of our public statements rigorously.
	We cite and source all of them to peer-reviewed publications or to government databases.
	And we've sent him a letter.
	Challenging him to tell us where we got the facts wrong.
	As you know, the term vaccine misinformation has nothing to do with the accuracy.
	It's a euphemism for any statement that departs from government orthodoxies or government proclamations, whether it's accurate or not.
	And so when they say vaccine misinformation, it just means that we are questioning things that they don't want people to question.
	A.J. Rollins has this famous quote about people don't tear out a man's tum because they're frightened that he's going to tell a lie.
	They tear out his tongue because they're frightened that he's going to tell the truth.
	And I think it's pretty clear that that's what we're dealing with here.
	I think as you and I understand, there's just an irony here that's almost comical and really shocking that a Democratic elected official would be calling on one of these internet titans.
	We're really a threat to democracy.
	I think Dorsey is the best of all of them because he's at least making noises about, you know, I don't want to be a censor.
	And he's the least enthusiastic.
	But they're all, you know, they're business models.
	They're corporations.
	They're serving their shareholders.
	And they're relying on government contracts.
	And they're relying on these contracts with large corporations.
	And so there's always this huge danger That these companies that now control the public square, they control all speech in America, We'll be hijacked for corporate purposes and for a Democrat to be actually calling on them to censor information that criticizes a pharmaceutical product and a pharmaceutical product that is zero liability.
	These are the companies that brought us the opioid epidemic, that gave us Vioxx, that just killed people wantonly for profit and show that again and again and again that they're corrupt and that they're venal and that they're They're craven and mendacious.
	This is exactly what the First Amendment was put in the Constitution to prevent, which is government officials telling private publishers to censor criticisms of government policies.
	That's why we wrote the First Amendment.
	And in the Constitution, there is no...
	There's no exception.
	There's no pandemic exception.
	There's no place.
	And by the way, Washington was very aware and the founders were very, very much aware of pandemics and their danger because there was a smallpox pandemic that debilitated particularly the troops in Maine when we were fighting for Ticonderoga and Saratoga and Montreal.
	The Northern Army, which is the Army of New England, essentially, were debilitated by smallpox epidemics, so they knew about it.
	They knew that it posed a danger and a potential crisis, but they still didn't put an exception in the Constitution for a pandemic because there is no exception.
	The Constitution was written to protect inconvenient speech, unpopular speech, speech that nobody wants you to talk about.
	It was not put there to protect popular speech.
	You know, there's a...
	And there's a great movie about Thomas More, and there's dialogue in there that actually came from real life, but my favorite line from that movie is a line when he's talking, Thomas More, who was essentially the Attorney General of England during the reign of King Henry VIII, he was the Chancellor, which is essentially that he was both the treasurer and the Attorney General.
	And he said, he was having an argument with his son-in-law, whose name was Roper.
	And Roper said to him, you know, he said, you know, we have to, the laws protect certain action.
	Oh, it's unpopular, and you have to just obey the law.
	And he said, and Roper said to him, so would you give the The devil, the protection of the laws.
	Are you giving the devil the protection of laws?
	And Thomas More said, you have to do that.
	And you know, you can't cut a swath through the law to get at the devil.
	And Roper said to him, well, if it was up to me, I'd cut down all the laws to get at the devil.
	And Thomas More says to him, and once all the laws were cut down, And the land was flat.
	What will you do when the devil turns on you?
	Where will you hide?
	And that, you know, is a question that I would pose to Senator Holyman.
	Well, let's step in and focus in on, you know, as horrifying as it is to have any voice that is not actually threatening violence, which is what the First Amendment doesn't protect, but otherwise the First Amendment It protects speech very, very widely.
	As disturbing as it is to have any peaceful voices censored from a tech platform, when I read the state senator's press release, I was horrified that A, I confirmed that he did not identify your alleged misinformation.
	And that is really scary if you know the history of totalitarian states, or have even read Kafka, you know, to be charged with a thing you can't defend yourself against is the hallmark of a show trial.
	Or the McCarthy era.
	I mean, this is what this is.
	This is just McCarthyism.
	You are anti-vaccine and therefore...
	You need to be silenced.
	You're dangerous to society.
	It's like the Spanish Inquisition.
	There's no statement given.
	There's nothing that you did wrong.
	It's just who you are.
	Did you join that party?
	And by the way, I'm not anti-vaccine.
	That's their characterization of me.
	Exactly.
	And what's happening now is that more and more voices on social media, like mine, who...
	Are not particularly concerned in general with pharmaceuticals.
	Even if we call attention to harms that are being done, I've been concerned about blood clotting that women are reporting and menstrual problems and postmenopausal menstruation and instances of miscarriages and stillbirths subsequent to having the vaccines.
	I'm a feminist.
	It's my job to raise those issues.
	But I'm being now tarred as an anti-vaxxer.
	And it is that kind of Salem witch trial, kind of inquisitorial.
	I mean, choose any historical period you want of kind of guilty till proven innocent.
	Once you're tarred with that brush, it's permission to not listen to you.
	But let me drill in to this shocking spectacle of a democratic State Senator calling the CEO of a tech company to sick that tech bro on a voice, a peaceful citizen.
	For all he knows, you could be in New York, you could be a constituent, any fellow American.
	To me, taking a broad view of the whole thing, of all the troubling things, to me that is the most troubling, because that could happen to any of us.
	Any of us could have A state senator or our congressperson, you know, phone up their buddies in Silicon Valley and say, get rid of Naomi, get rid of the Sierra Club, get rid of, you know, the conservatives, you know, get rid of people who want to stop that pipeline, get people, you know, get rid of people who want to push that pipeline through because, you know, my interests are with the other side.
	I mean, it opens up such a cesspit of new levels of corruption and bullying and erasure.
	Of citizens' rights.
	What do you think about that?
	I mean, that is a new development.
	You know, isn't that scary?
	Unfortunately, it's not that new.
	I mean, this really started with Adam Schiff, who's the head of the Intelligence Committee, and that's very key.
	I mean, he and Mark Warner are heads, respectively, in the Intelligence Committees in the House and in the Senate.
	And both of them have sent letters to the tech companies asking them to censor vaccine misinformation.
	Naomi, the reason that's really important is because the tech companies know that they need the Intelligence Committee on their side because their big battle is to keep open these markets with China.
	And China is now coming back with its own Versions of Facebook and it's keeping Facebook out of China and has TikTok, etc., which are competitive.
	And they need the White House and they need...
	That's the biggest market.
	That is where their growth is, where their pocketbooks are.
	They need the intelligence committees and the White House on their side in that battle with the Chinese.
	And so they don't mind sacrificing a voice like mine.
	Mark Zuckerberg doesn't care what I say about vaccines.
	I have almost a million followers.
	It's good for him that I'm on Facebook and keeping people engaged or Instagram keeping people engaged, etc.
	He's not going to do that.
	There's no interest.
	And the only reason that he is going to erase me It's because he believes that he is doing something the government wants him to do and he wants something from the government.
	Right, right.
	Got it.
	That is really, really dangerous because the next government that comes along, you know, it's a Republican administration and they, you know, they got in there with money from the oil industry.
	Or the coal industry or the chemical industry or Monsanto or whatever, you know, it's just as easy for them to do what you just said, which is to say, you know, Kennedy is involved with mountaintop removal mining and he's trying to Clean the oil industry out of the wetlands in South Louisiana and the Mississippi Delta, and we need to shut him down on those issues.
	We need to make sure that his voice is not heard on the XL pipeline and all of these other issues.
	Well, they're really, I will have to say, drunk with power.
	And when people are drunk with power, they always forget that it could be That that's not a permanent condition.
	It could be them on the receiving end.
	It's not just those issues that could be targeted with another administration or even this one with the right backers and donors and pressures.
	There could be wiping out of LGBTQ voices or wiping out of discussions of reproductive rights.
	I mean, people really have to imagine that if it happens to you, it's not going to stop with you.
	It's going to happen to all of us.
	I didn't know this until today about a holy man because it's mentioned in the article, but he's gay and he's mad.
	It takes notice in the article that he's married to a man.
	That is a community that has been subject to extreme bigotry by the majority.
	And you would think that people who have had that experience, which I'm sure that he's experienced terrible, terrible prejudice and damaging prejudice in his lifetime, and he has children, who also might be subject to that kind of prejudice, but you would think that anybody who is in a minority position would understand the danger Of empowering the majority to silence minority voices.
	And, you know, how hazardous, what a peril that is to human rights and civil rights in every respect.
	Absolutely.
	So two last questions.
	So Bill Gates, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, we talked about them before.
	He obviously...
	You know, is still involved, still benefiting from his inventions and patents in the tech space.
	And at the same time, he's invested in and distributing vaccines.
	Doesn't it create a truly unholy alliance now that this kind of, I don't even know what to call it, gesture has been completed of an elected official calling on Silicon Valley to erase someone critical of Don't we have the danger of these kind of conflicted tech bros who might be invested in the software, in the platform?
	You know, Microsoft has the model for the vaccine passport, quote unquote, and the former CEO is also invested in vaccines and distributing vaccines around the world through his nonprofits.
	Couldn't that create a kind of It's really a kind of totalitarian reality in which the message about vaccines, the investment in the software to produce the vaccine passports, the ownership of the platform in which we talk about vaccines, Are all owned by the same people.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, that's what we've been talking about from the beginning.
	Gates has these incestuous relationships with Anthony Fauci that go back 20 years, where he's paying Fauci, and they have all kinds of really corrupt financial entanglements with each other.
	He brought Fauci to his $189 million house in Seattle, brought him into the den, Sat him down and said, I want to have a partnership with you.
	The way that Fauci explains it is that Fauci would develop the drugs and then pass them on to the drug companies, Merck, Sanofi, Gilead, Johnson& Johnson.
	Gates would then guarantee markets in Africa through his control of WHO. Wow.
	Wow.
	Those companies don't want to give vaccines to Africa because it's very uncertain.
	You know, Botswana has a government this year that says, yeah, we want them and not next year.
	And Gates, because he controls WHO, he controls those countries because...
	The WHO pays for their health ministries and supplies all their HIV medications, and they have to do what WHO tells them to do.
	So he can require those countries to buy the vaccines from these companies, and he then is invested in In the companies, in Merck, he owns, you know, and by the way, AIDS has no pretension that he gives a crap about public health.
	His other investments are in tobacco companies, in processed foods, in Coca-Cola, in Cargill, in Monsanto, Philomorris, Kraft, you know, cheese.
	And then all the oil companies, which he owned stakes and virtually all of them.
	So he's not a guy who cares about climate or who cares about public health.
	He's a guy who cares about control and who is deeply, deeply involved.
	Not only is he now...
	Listen, you saw him every day.
	He was on TV, Dr.
	Gates, as a public health expert.
	What was his message?
	You got to shut down, you got to lock down, you got to wear a mask, and it will never end until you take your vaccine, which I'm making for you.
	Right, that's exactly right.
	And he kept saying, and I'm consulting with Dr.
	Fauci every day, we are coordinating this countermeasures of response to the academic.
	And then...
	He's also invested.
	He's the biggest investor in Apple and in, you know, Facebook.
	So he's invested in all his competitors.
	Now, all of these...
	And then what happened during the pandemic?
	We do the lockdown.
	It obliterates the American middle class.
	It transfers a trillion dollars of wealth upwards to where?
	Silicon Valley.
	These, the companies...
	That are in charge of censoring criticism of the lockdown, which is making them rich of all kind of incestuous, corrupt coup d'etat against American democracy, against public health, and using this, you know, biosecurity as a justification.
	Yes.
	To impose these totalitarian controls on our nation is really, well, you know what it is.
	I mean, we can see it happening.
	We read about it in Orwell.
	We read about it in Kafka.
	We read about it in Aldous Huxley.
	And, you know, we know what happens next.
	We have never seen in American history an assault on the Constitution like this during the Civil War.
	You know, there was a big battle over habeas corpus.
	And people thought, that's outrageous.
	Lincoln is trying to suspend habeas corpus.
	He's a tyrant.
	He said, you know, now what's happened?
	Look at all of our amendments.
	The First Amendment.
	Censorship gone.
	You know, free speech gone.
	Religion, the right to redo the religious freedom.
	Well, the first thing they did was get rid of the religious exemptions of vaccines, which are 100 years old, and then they closed the churches, kept the liquor stores open as essential businesses.
	Freedom of assembly.
	They locked us in our house with no due process.
	Exactly.
	No, you know, no regulatory process at all.
	They just say, stay in your house, do what you're told.
	Read them to petition.
	Same thing.
	We're not allowed out to go up to Sacramento and talk about this or to Albany.
	The jury trials, the Seventh and Sixth Amendment jury trials, which is one of the first things that Fauci did.
	Was to say, we're going to give immunity from liability to these companies.
	You can't get a jury trial, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
	The 14th and 4th Amendment rights of due process of law.
	The regulatory process on property rights.
	Gone.
	A million businesses just told you can't operate anymore.
	That's a very comprehensive summary.
	The entire Constitution is being...
	Shit can't.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, and as you and I discussed last time around, there are new alliances to end on a, you know, a note of hope.
	New alliances are being formed between people disaffected with the left who were of the left, people on the right who know that now is not the time to be divided on the usual things that divide us.
	And I do see new allies coming together to fight for our freedoms, even though the oligarchs are also coming together across Sadly, in our country, mostly Democrats, but conservatives in other countries, it's nonpartisan.
	And that's the new axis, I think, where the battle has to be waged.
	My last question, you've been so generous with your time.
	The timing of this is very notable to me.
	Last night, all day yesterday on Twitter, women were sharing their stories of horrible effects.
	And I won't go again into the details of horrible kind of Menstrual effects, reproductive effects, real aberrant reactions, you know, as, and women know their bodies, right, to being vaccinated.
	There's no, you know, correlation is not causation, and there are no studies.
	There are no studies of pregnant women, no studies of lactating women with these vaccines, but women were in scores and scores and scores and hundreds telling their stories, and this got picked up by some women-oriented news outlets, and I was certainly also reporting it.
	Today, This announcement comes out about getting you off of Twitter.
	Today, Johnson& Johnson is suspended by the FDA and the CDC. Can you speak to that timing at all?
	I kind of feel like people were starting to really question this issue of no safety for pregnant women, women having these terrible outcomes, 77% of the adverse reactions being women.
	This was starting to get mainstream traction.
	And today, they withdrew the Johnson& Johnson vaccine, or they made the announcement about it.
	And today, you got announced as being about to be ejected from Twitter.
	What do you make of the timing?
	Well, you know, the Johnson& Johnson vaccine had a problem because it uses a virus protein.
	It's really a witch's row of proteins, and nobody really knows what it is.
	What we'll do or what impacts it will have on autoimmunity particularly, and that's where the big problem, you know, that everybody anticipates is.
	With all of the other injuries they've had, you know, we've had so many deaths immediately following vaccination, but vaccine deaths and most vaccine injuries don't leave a fingerprint.
	So you can't tell whether that person died of a heart attack or whether it was a vaccine-caused heart attack.
	Nobody can tell.
	And then count them up and see if they beat, you know, if it's worse.
	We know, for example, out of every 100,000 people in the United States between 75 and 85 years old, 12 die per day.
	We ought to be looking at the vaccine and if the day after they get the Moderna vaccine, if 50 people are dying, that's a safety signal.
	That's the only way you'll tell.
	But what CDC does is very dishonest.
	Anybody dies after vaccine, they say, we looked into it and it's not vaccine related.
	Well, of course they didn't look into it.
	They're just saying it's not vaccine related.
	It's just a lie.
	Nobody can say it's vaccine-related.
	Nobody can say it's not, because there's no fingerprint.
	You have to count them all, and they have a system that by their own admissions counts fewer than 1%, not 1%, fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries.
	Why did Johnson& Johnson suddenly come clean and say, yes, all these women are getting blood clots?
	Because the particular injury that they were getting, which is a form of thrombosis, a venal thrombosis, is so rare.
	Frontline doctors were saying this could only come from the vaccine.
	Wow.
	And you had six people in a very short time, women in a very short time, get these very, very serious injuries.
	One of them died.
	And it was implausible for them to continue to deny it.
	So you're getting all these people injured.
	You're getting all these women who are having our reproductive problems.
	Who are losing their babies, who are getting, you know, having problems with their menstrual cycles, or having breast problems, all of these problems that are related to the reproductive system.
	They can dismiss them all, but they could not dismiss the thrombosis, you know, because it's so, so rare that everybody knows when you see it, it's got to be linked to the vaccine, and that's why they had to suspend it.
	And, you know, it's a scary time we live in because the public health agencies are not protecting public health.
	Their objective is not to save Americans' lives.
	It's to vaccinate as many people possible.
	No, indeed.
	Well, on that note, if people want to help you, what should they do?
	They should go to our website, join Children's Health Defense.
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	Thank you very much for your courage and for your commitment, Naomi.
	Thank you so much for yours and thank all your colleagues.
	We'll get this out far and wide.
	And I know a lot of people will want to help you in your fight.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you.

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