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May 8, 2026 - The Tucker Carlson Show
01:28:02
Tyler Oliveira: Exposing Somali Welfare Abuse, Republican Hypocrisy & the Group You Can’t Criticize

Tyler Oliveira exposes alleged welfare exploitation in Kiryas Joel and Lakewood, New Jersey, contrasting Republican praise for his Somali reporting with condemnation of his Jewish coverage as anti-Semitic. He details how Orthodox communities allegedly leverage legal loopholes and political power to drain public resources while silencing critics through intimidation and Holocaust guilt. Oliveira argues this selective immunity constitutes a form of Jewish supremacy that undermines equal opportunity, linking these local dynamics to broader societal fractures caused by identity politics and the displacement of white graduates. Ultimately, the segment suggests that this double standard reveals a systemic failure in American political structures to apply consistent moral standards across all ethnic enclaves. [Automatically generated summary]

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tucker carlson
dailycaller 26:51
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tyler oliveira
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Journalism and Goofy Stuff 00:11:28
tucker carlson
Thank you for doing this.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
tucker carlson
I was looking through your YouTube numbers, which I don't normally ever do that with anybody, but you're huge.
I didn't realize how big you were.
tyler oliveira
You're flattering me.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Well, it's real.
Well, you're a lot bigger than me.
I'll tell you that.
So, a lot bigger.
So, I'm amazed and impressed.
So, before we get into how you, I think, kind of accidentally stepped into this controversy, where are you from?
How'd you start doing this?
tyler oliveira
I'm from Modesto, California.
tucker carlson
I started doing this with such verve and relish.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Meth, meth, auto theft, and what?
Meth, death, and farming?
Farming, almonds, a small agricultural town in the center of Bangladesh.
tucker carlson
For people who are not familiar with California Ag, what's an almond?
tyler oliveira
I think it's an almond that has yet to fall from the tree.
I actually couldn't be bothered.
I'm not fully certain.
tucker carlson
It's an L-less almond.
So you're from the desert.
tyler oliveira
Shake the L out of it, whatever the hell it is, right?
I'm from Modesto, California.
I went to college for three months, dropped out.
I was doing YouTube full time, sort of accidentally walked into the field of investigative or whatever.
tucker carlson
How many kids in your class at UCLA were doing YouTube, quote, full time?
Was that like a.
unidentified
Okay.
tyler oliveira
Not that I'm aware of that.
tucker carlson
That was not a major.
tyler oliveira
No, no.
That was not a trendy thing to do.
tucker carlson
How'd you decide to do that?
unidentified
I don't know.
tyler oliveira
I just didn't want to go to college.
I wanted to get out of there at any cost.
tucker carlson
God bless you.
tyler oliveira
So I was charging those Lime scooters and then filming videos, and then I just dropped out.
And left forever.
tucker carlson
How long did it take you to support yourself or feel like you had a real job doing this?
tyler oliveira
I think about a month into it.
I had money to subsist.
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Oh, immediately.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, pretty immediately.
tucker carlson
Amazing.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Doing what kind of videos?
tyler oliveira
Goofy stuff, Tucker.
All sorts of stuff.
I sold Big Chungus to GameStop, and here I am in front of Tucker Carlson.
tucker carlson
So, you do anything you regret?
unidentified
No.
tucker carlson
Good.
unidentified
No.
tyler oliveira
So, you don't have to do anything.
tucker carlson
I was young.
I needed the money.
There's nothing.
unidentified
No, no.
tyler oliveira
I wasn't.
unidentified
It's all.
tyler oliveira
Shaking on a stripper pole.
tucker carlson
That was kind of what I was asking.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Um, so then how did you wind up in this variety of you, like basically doing journalism?
Well, doing journalism.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
We're doing a lot of goofy stuff.
Um, one day we saw what happened in East Palestine, Ohio.
I think about three and a half years ago, maybe.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
There was a train derailment.
A bunch of toxic chemicals had leached into the water supply, from what I remember.
And there's kind of a media blackout at the time.
And I saw what happened on TikTok.
And I was like, what if we just brought our camera there and asked people questions?
tucker carlson
Where were you?
tyler oliveira
Um, in Austin, Texas at the time.
So we drove, I think into Ohio and it just started filming people and asking questions and try to figure out what was going on.
And then it sort of evolved into whatever we do now, which comprises of basically amateur documentaries, investigative journalism.
tucker carlson
Wait, so you just, you, you don't work for anyone but you.
tyler oliveira
No, no, I'm fully independent, self-funded, always have been.
tucker carlson
No investors of any kind.
tyler oliveira
Zero investment.
tucker carlson
Just you and a couple other people.
tyler oliveira
Me and four or five people behind the scenes.
Um, Putting these videos out.
tucker carlson
And you're watching TikTok at your place in Austin and you see there's a train derailment in Ohio.
So you get in the truck and just drive to Ohio?
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
tucker carlson
That's the whole thing.
tyler oliveira
I thought it'd be an interesting video.
I thought it'd be informative.
And we're trying to sort of mature what we were doing on YouTube, make it a little more serious because I was becoming what, 22 years old?
I was like, I don't want to do goofy nonsense for my entire life.
What if we did something actually useful?
So we showed up and people really resonated with it.
It was informative and valuable.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I mean, there wasn't a ton of news crew there at the time.
It was somewhat irrelevant in the news ecosystem, but it was fascinating to me.
So we shared.
tucker carlson
I remember your video.
So that was it.
No one assigned it to you.
unidentified
No.
tucker carlson
While you're scrolling through TikTok and you saw it, just drive there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think because I'm so much older and have been in the formal media my whole life, it's just amazing that that's how it starts.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Weird, right?
tucker carlson
Well, great.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
It worked.
tucker carlson
I mean, this is kind of the, I mean, this is what they told us the internet was going to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Before it became like all porn and bots and sports gambling.
Like, you're going to have citizen journalists and people would find out the truth because you couldn't mediate it because it was, you know, law.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Elon Musk sort of put a name to that idea of citizen journalists.
For me, at least.
I never even heard the term.
I didn't even know what we were doing was.
Journalism, so to speak, but I feel like that's what it was and what it became.
tucker carlson
So, when you got to Palestine, what do you do?
tyler oliveira
We just asked people what was going on, tried to gain access into some of these areas that were closed off, asking these federal agents what was going on, and just tried to sort of paint a picture for what the media sort of failed to present to the broader American audience.
unidentified
Love that.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
It was interesting.
tucker carlson
That's like the coolest thing you could do.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So, you just see people staying on the side of the road and say, hey, can I talk to you?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
What's going on here?
tucker carlson
But you never got a degree in journalism from Columbia?
tyler oliveira
I don't have a degree.
tucker carlson
So, how did you know how to do that?
tyler oliveira
Because we were doing it for sillier stuff prior to this.
tucker carlson
I'm just making fun of the absurd idea.
tyler oliveira
So, I'll tell you how we got it.
I was driving these vehicles that looked like Minecraft vehicles across America, and we would go to gas stations and always have these funny interviews with random people at gas stations.
And we had this interview with a guy who was telling us about banging his cousin in Alabama.
And I was like, what if we took the beauty of what that moment was and just brought it to relevant, important topics in day to day life?
So we did that.
We took this gas station interview concept and sort of brought it over to actually important topics in our everyday life.
So here we are.
tucker carlson
You make the video on East Palestine, and if I saw it, it took off.
tyler oliveira
And I was like, what if we just keep doing more of this?
tucker carlson
Did it get a lot of views?
tyler oliveira
It did, yeah.
How many people were very, like, three or four million views?
unidentified
Wow.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
At 22.
tyler oliveira
I think so, yeah.
tucker carlson
Amazing.
tyler oliveira
But for what?
For us, it was a validation that this is something people can use and it's informative and it fills in sort of where the mainstream media is not interested in.
tucker carlson
Well, it's objectively validation of that.
I mean, that's exactly what it is.
unidentified
Yep.
tucker carlson
And it also says something good about the country that people want to know what's happening inside their borders.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So then you just pivoted right then and decided to do more news?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
We did a variety of news topics to interesting cultural communities, like hard to access communities like.
Like the pedophile village in Florida.
unidentified
What?
tyler oliveira
We went over there and started interviewing a bunch of pedophiles, asked them how they ended up there, to white supremacists in Arkansas, to black supremacists in what, Harlem, New York.
So just a broad range of interesting people, places, and things from political to cultural to just wacky stuff.
tucker carlson
What drove you?
tyler oliveira
Drove me?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
What was your motive?
tyler oliveira
Oh, just curiosity.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I thought I was good at it.
And so let's go for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
That's the right motive.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So then you started doing, when I first became aware of you, you moved from like the full outliers, like the pedophile community.
I'd never even heard of that before.
And white supremacists in Arkansas.
Miracle Village, they called it Miracle Village.
It's so dark.
White supremacists in Arkansas, black supremacists in Harlem.
I've interviewed both those communities 30 years ago.
So that, everyone knows that exists, but they're really so far out on the fringes of American life.
But then you start moving closer to the actual news, like what the rest of the news is talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And you start interviewing Somalis.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So, I think in December of 2025, we put out a video on Somalis in Minneapolis.
tucker carlson
Yes.
tyler oliveira
Now, keep in mind to the local news's credit, they've reported on various forms of fraud for years over there.
unidentified
Yes.
tyler oliveira
But there's something about their inability to storytell and package those narratives that it just never took off.
tucker carlson
There's a talent gap there.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
And just a media misunderstanding, I think.
tucker carlson
But long story short, what does that mean?
tyler oliveira
They just don't know how to use social media.
unidentified
They're illiterate.
tyler oliveira
Maybe by design or incompetence.
I'm not sure.
tucker carlson
But what do they get wrong?
tyler oliveira
I think they report accurately.
In fact, many social media guys often cite their reports.
I think they just can't synthesize the information to the actual storytelling, to the packaging, and how these platforms like YouTube work.
You're figuring it out, though, I see.
tucker carlson
I have definitely not figured it out at all.
But I think the ability to tell a story works at dinner, it works on cable television, and it works on YouTube.
It's like all kind of the same thing.
Can you synthesize?
Exactly.
That's exactly right.
You just take the facts.
Yeah.
And you put it into an order that you think is accurate, which is truthful.
You're not misrepresenting it, but that makes sense.
It's got a narrative structure.
tyler oliveira
An order of importance, too, right?
tucker carlson
Exactly.
Thank you.
tyler oliveira
But yeah, we've covered tons of topics from all over the country and all over the world.
But about whatever, in December of 2025, we did a video on Somalis in Minneapolis.
A lot of it was focused on more of a demographic shift, more so than fraud.
Nick Shirley then puts out a video, I think, a couple weeks later, and it really bursts into the mainstream.
He covers this daycare fraud, and this is like the biggest talking point in the GOP.
I'm sure you saw, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tyler oliveira
I live here.
They loved it.
It was a perfect story, really.
He found these, you know, these leering centers, all this stuff, this blatant retardation, if you will, of people from Somalia who can't even spell the word learning, whatever.
It becomes part of the mainstream conversation about these third worlders absorbing welfare benefits, committing fraud en masse.
And everyone hates these people, right?
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Can I just ask you to back up?
You said something so interesting, parenthetically.
You said, I approached it as a demographic replacement question.
They approached it as a fraud question.
tyler oliveira
Correct.
Yeah.
tucker carlson
There's tease that out a little bit.
Why?
Exposing Hidden Groups 00:07:46
tucker carlson
You saw it slightly differently, or you saw it in bigger terms than they did, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
My focus was just you take Minnesota, which is the land of the Vikings, right?
The Scandinavian people.
And now it's becoming.
tucker carlson
You're speaking to a Carlson here.
tyler oliveira
Exactly, right?
Now it's home to Somalis.
And I saw the Minnesota Vikings.
They put out what a thank you to our Somali community or something on Twitter the other day.
So, for me, it was just an interesting case study of a state in the United States of America that has such generous, um, welfare programs and is such a generous people that inevitably it attracts, um, some of the most opportunistic, um, parasitic, if you will, population of people from a destabilized country in Africa that come here simply because of the benefits they'll receive upon entering.
And it became a hub for these people opportunistically taking advantage of such generous people.
tucker carlson
This is why you've become so big.
Yeah, who would say?
Because I, yes, thank you for saying that because it is bigger than Minnesota thing, too, though, right?
It is Minnesota.
Well, Maine, which has similar demographics, overwhelmingly Northern European whites who have no idea what an idyllic place they have, who hate themselves because they've been taught to hate themselves.
And so to atone for sins they didn't commit, import the most destructive parasitic populations they can find.
Sure.
Sort of revel in the squalor because it's a kind of self abasement that turns them on.
It's sadomasochism.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So, but white guilt, right?
A hundred percent.
And there's nothing more dangerous to everybody than white guilt.
tyler oliveira
Seemingly.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
It's just interesting that you saw it that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
That's how I saw it.
Um, because we've also done videos in Dearborn, Michigan before that was, I feel like you see that every day now Dearborn, this, Dearborn, that, about the sort of Muslim invasion.
Um, we did a video in Hamtramck, Michigan, which was a predominantly Polish working class town.
And, um, It eventually elected a Muslim majority in the township council, and they voted to ban the gay flag, which for me was comedic because they basically invited these people in.
They become a majority.
They consolidate political power and then vote to deny them the same rights they were afforded.
So to me, it was just the most comedic thing.
tucker carlson
Or even more meta, it's like white liberalism drew these people in, and their first act is to ban white liberalism.
unidentified
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
Once they achieve success, one religion supplants another.
tyler oliveira
Sure.
Basically, we were looking for ethnic enclaves doing the same thing as Dearborn, Michigan, or Hamtramck, or Minneapolis.
So I looked up Jewish ethnic enclaves on Google, only to find Curious Joel.
tucker carlson
Let me ask you to pause right there.
Thank you for explaining that.
That's fascinating.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So you're basically interested in exploring the principle that you described a minute ago.
unidentified
Exactly.
tyler oliveira
It wasn't a conversation about the principle.
tucker carlson
It wasn't a conversation about one.
You weren't out to attack Jews or Muslims or Somalis or anyone else.
You just want to say this is what happens when a country's decency is leveraged against it.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
unidentified
Right.
tyler oliveira
When generosity is exploited en masse and systematically, right?
Systematic exploitation of generosity by design.
tucker carlson
So, you still believe in principles.
You must be a legacy American.
tyler oliveira
In what respect?
tucker carlson
Well, you must be from here if you actually believe in a higher principle.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I'm born and raised here.
My mom's side goes way back.
And yeah.
tucker carlson
So, may I ask, what kind of response did you get to the videos that you did on these ethnic enclaves in Michigan and Minnesota?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Praise.
Praise and adoration.
tucker carlson
Praise, of course.
unidentified
Right.
tyler oliveira
This is a great.
Great talking point.
Thank you so much for bringing this up.
tucker carlson
Who liked them?
Who praised them?
tyler oliveira
Republicans.
tucker carlson
Oh, of course.
tyler oliveira
Of course.
tucker carlson
Yeah, they love it.
tyler oliveira
Democrats hated them.
Liberal people hated them.
Republicans, hoorah, keep going.
Expose them all.
Find even more.
Expose all these groups, right?
So I was like, okay, sure, I will.
Let's do it.
Let's keep going.
tucker carlson
See, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Let's keep the fun going, Tucker.
tucker carlson
Because you believe in universally applicable principles.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Not just tribal politics.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
tucker carlson
The thing above tribal politics, which is principle.
Which is what the country's founded on.
unidentified
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Right.
unidentified
Okay, now.
tyler oliveira
So I was like, okay, we've covered plenty of this Islamic ethnic enclaves across America.
It would be interesting to find a different group of people that do this, that's extremely religious and utilizes welfare in similar ways.
So I found this village called Curious Shoel.
Now, Curious Shoel is an all Jewish ethnic enclave in upstate New York.
At one point, they were the poorest town in America, with 40% living beneath the poverty line.
They had the highest fertility rates in America, having seven to 10 plus kids, extremely high, anomalously high rates of welfare dependency.
From Medicaid to SNAP, EBT to Section 8 housing vouchers.
So, this is definitionally a parasitic, insulated Jewish community I found in upstate New York.
So, to me, that was obvious.
I had an obligation almost to go there and film a video if I was filming videos in Dearborn or Hamtramck or Minneapolis.
tucker carlson
Did you know that that was not allowed?
tyler oliveira
I suspected we would unveil some hypocrisy, especially within the GOP and.
The larger Republican tent.
tucker carlson
Really?
tyler oliveira
For sure.
unidentified
Come on.
tucker carlson
But you suspected it.
tyler oliveira
I suspected it.
But it was to this degree, it was a little bit surprising.
tucker carlson
But at that point, it was not fully confirmed.
tyler oliveira
No, not at all.
And no one had tested it yet.
And I wanted to test the line a little bit.
Because you see so many of these guys on Twitter cosplaying as these hardliner, principal first guys, America first, weed out all the fraud, weed out all the welfare exploitation.
And then when it comes to specific groups, those principles disappear.
So, for me, I was like, I know this is going to happen to some extent.
To what extent, I didn't know.
Let's go there and show this.
tucker carlson
Do you think?
I'm sorry, I keep pulling you off track, but this is a more amazing story than I realized.
Yeah.
And I just want to say once again, I had no idea how big you were on YouTube.
So, no, well, the numbers show it.
It's not my opinion.
They're many times my numbers.
So, I'm so impressed.
So, I just love that you're being rewarded for this.
But, do you think the fact that you didn't go to college, Allows your mind to stay a little freer, more supple, less constrained by lies than if you had gone?
tyler oliveira
Yeah, maybe I'm a little less conditioned than the average person in my generational cohort.
Yeah.
No, I think, I mean, to be fair to my generation, Gen Z, a lot of people agree with me.
Gen Z is on the same boat here.
unidentified
Yeah, I believe.
tyler oliveira
I think they're far more principally consistent than a lot of our political representatives, and they're all for it.
I think.
Well, you know who's not?
unidentified
Who?
tyler oliveira
A lot of these evangelical boomers seemingly.
tucker carlson
I've noticed.
tyler oliveira
Israel's a hard line, and anything remotely indicative of Israel or related to Israel in any capacity, including Hasidic Jews, apparently is off limits.
tucker carlson
Jesus doesn't seem to be the hard line for them at all, which is a little surprising.
tyler oliveira
They'll tolerate disrespect.
tucker carlson
And I'm talking about the leaders.
I'm not talking about the people at all, but some of the leaders, you know, you could say whatever you want about it.
tyler oliveira
We've done videos on corrupt Christian megachurches, we've done videos on, you know, Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.
What's interesting to note is that most Christians watching the videos we did about corrupt Christian megachurches were highly apologetic for what they viewed to be as an aberration from true Christianity.
They were denouncing what they view as a bastardization of Christianity.
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tucker carlson
That's how I feel.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
But for what we found after putting this Jewish video out, is that there's almost like an immune system response of Hasidic, you know, Orthodox, secular.
Jews have each other's back, was what I took away from.
The backlash that followed that.
tucker carlson
So it's interesting.
So tell us your first of all, what did you find?
So, Kiris Joel is in New York.
It's outside New York City, 40% below the poverty line, at least at one point, highest birth rate in the country.
unidentified
Say what he found.
tucker carlson
What's it like?
What is it?
tyler oliveira
It is reminiscent of a European shtetl, a Jewish village you might have seen pre World War II.
That's how they describe themselves.
What I saw was a ton of Hasidic Jews walking to synagogues, praying, and then walking in a hurry, I guess, to another synagogue to pray some more and study the Talmud some more.
That's basically all I saw.
People praying and people living off of the teat of the welfare system in many ways.
tucker carlson
Just to be clear, I've got no problem with people praying or following their religion.
I support it.
It's the Living off the taxpayer part that is too much.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I mean, to give them credit, obviously, there is some level of communal support.
Um, sometimes they'll rely on, uh, in laws for some initial financial support, whatever, but largely by design, um, their entire lifestyle is designed to extract and exploit these welfare systems to the maximum degree.
Um, it is strategic.
It is not happenstance.
It is not coincidental.
It is by design.
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Amish Racism and Supremacy 00:14:46
tucker carlson
Purchase.
This is the single biggest debate in Israel and has been for over 20 years is that there's a huge percentage of the population that lives off the Israeli welfare system, does not serve in the military, and does not add to the economy.
And if you talk to any non religious Jew in Israel, it's like the third sentence out of their mouth is, I am angry at these people for this.
So it's not just here.
unidentified
For sure.
tyler oliveira
And a lot of Israelis actually would contact me and say, This was an amazing video.
We have the same issue.
See, maybe that's the one thing.
unidentified
That's true.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
So that's maybe the one thing.
tucker carlson
I totally believe that.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, it was funny.
Israelis were super supportive of it.
They're like, this is great.
They're draining the tax system over here.
And apparently, there's a demographic ticking time bomb taking place over there, to your point, right?
Because they have similar levels of fertility rates and don't contribute economically the same way.
unidentified
No.
tucker carlson
They don't serve in the military, which in Israel is a big deal since everybody, male and female, serves.
And they've had an endless series of wars for 30 years.
So you can imagine the bitterness.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Your kids are going off to risk their lives, but your neighbors aren't?
tyler oliveira
For sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So, speaking of resentment, though, it's the same logic and in the same vein that the average American taxpayer grinding their nuts off right now feels when they're going working a seven to six, right?
If you account for the commute to work and back from work, they see where their tax dollars are being spent and they don't feel as if the money they're putting in, they ever get to see coming back out to them.
tucker carlson
No, of course not.
tyler oliveira
And how many ethnic enclaves are they funding?
To live this totally insulated lifestyle that doesn't benefit them.
And that was really what the conversation sparked and became.
tucker carlson
What was it like as you walked through the community?
How were you received?
tyler oliveira
Unwelcoming, I would say.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Especially with the camera, of course.
I think if I was there without the camera, not questioning anything, I would have been tolerated for sure.
tucker carlson
For those who haven't seen it, what kind of questions did you ask?
tyler oliveira
What do you do for work?
How do you afford to have seven to 10 kids?
tucker carlson
You asked that.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
Hey, what do you do for work?
I study.
I study Torah.
unidentified
Okay.
tyler oliveira
How do you afford seven to 10 kids?
God.
And I would be like, what about the American taxpayer?
And they would say that too.
So I'm like, of course, that too.
tucker carlson
Was there any gratitude that you discerned?
To the American tax.
tyler oliveira
Is that for me asking these questions?
tucker carlson
No, they say, you know, God bless America.
tyler oliveira
This is for God.
tucker carlson
I think it was just for America.
tyler oliveira
I mean, maybe there is some, sure.
tucker carlson
You didn't hear it, though.
tyler oliveira
I didn't feel it.
unidentified
No.
No.
Wow.
tucker carlson
What about local politicians?
They must know this, right?
I mean, if you.
tyler oliveira
Oh, for sure.
They're beholden to these people, though.
They're beholden to the Jewish voting block that exists in these concentrated Jewish communities in New Jersey and New York.
So we haven't established the importance of the Jewish voting block in states like New Jersey and New York.
Obviously, local politicians are aware of this.
Um, even Donald Trump's aware of this.
He put out a tweet saying, you know, thank you so much to Lakewood, New Jersey, the Orthodox community in Lakewood, New Jersey.
There's some tweet who put out thanking them, uh, in 2024.
And they're one of the most powerful voting blocks because of their consistency.
They always show up and they always vote on behalf of whatever the rabbinical leadership tells them to.
So if they say you vote for this guy, they consistently show up.
On behalf of that candidate, there's no partisan loyalty.
They'll shift from Democrats to Republicans as long as the benefits outweigh one party over the other.
So they're the perfect voting block.
No one wants to stop their gravy train for fear of losing their votes.
tucker carlson
So democracy has been literally subverted or hijacked here.
Yeah, hijacked.
Seemingly in exactly the same way it has been in Lewiston, Maine, and Minneapolis, Minnesota by the Somalis.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, seemingly an organized group, a small organized minority.
Can disproportionately impact everything.
tucker carlson
Could you have these communities without public, without welfare?
unidentified
No.
tyler oliveira
Actually, you could.
The Jewish community would not because they're so dedicated to studying full time, spending so much time praying, et cetera, et cetera.
Although there are precedents for that being possible, which I always bring up the Amish community.
They're self sufficient, they're fully reliant on their own sweat and toil.
It can be done.
tucker carlson
So the Christian community pays for itself.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Okay, but the others don't.
tyler oliveira
Seemingly not.
tucker carlson
So, the Amish, this is a dumb question.
Yeah, I just assumed I knew the answer, but it sounds like you really do.
The Amish are not on welfare.
They're not living.
tyler oliveira
No, no, they are philosophically opposed to taking welfare.
They do not want to take any welfare.
They find it as shameful as most people probably should, right?
Because it's a safety net to reduce poverty and not a way of life, not a strategy for maintaining a lifestyle of having seven to 10 kids when you can't afford to otherwise, I think.
tucker carlson
Of course not, right?
Especially in a country that has no state religion, that isn't allowed to support theocracy.
I mean, speaking for myself, I think I'm reflected in the Constitution.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I absolutely think the Orthodox should have a right to any kind of religious practice they want, as long as they're not hurting anyone.
And same with the Somalis, same as the Muslims in Michigan, same as the Amish in Pennsylvania.
But I, but the idea that taxpayers would support someone else's religion.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
It's not allowed.
tyler oliveira
And it's even funnier for me because for some of these groups, there is outward hostility, right?
You take some of these, I would argue these, uh, Orthodox Jewish groups.
There is, in fact, hostility when we were there asking people questions, asking them what they do for a living, how they get their money, how they afford their little society.
Um, there is hostility.
So for me as a taxpayer, it's like, we're going to take your money.
If you question it, you're anti Semitic and we hate you.
tucker carlson
What was anti Semitic about it?
tyler oliveira
Um, the ADL said it harkened back to anti Semitic stereotypes of, um, them being a drain on society or something like that.
It's all statistically corroborated.
I'm not pulling these out of my ass.
Um, these are welfare stats I was quoting.
And then I would go to the direct source asking these people, what do you do for a living?
How many kids do you have?
How do you afford your kids?
Are you on welfare?
How is that anti-Semitic?
Why do they get their own brand of, uh, their own proper nounage of racism?
That never made sense to me.
tucker carlson
I agree.
tyler oliveira
It's odd, right?
tucker carlson
It is odd.
tyler oliveira
It's weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
It is odd.
Um, I haven't thought too much about that, but I think it's, you make a fair point.
Um, how is it, how is, Bigotry against one group is different from bigotry against any group.
And of course, if you believe in absolute standards, it's not.
It's all the same.
It's all varieties of the same thing.
But if you believe that only one group should be immune from criticism, then you're not against racism.
Of course, you're an advocate of racism.
unidentified
Sure.
tucker carlson
Right?
You're arguing a kind of supremacy.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Jewish supremacy.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
Or any kind.
I mean, any kind.
You know, if you can attack anyone but white Episcopalian men, everyone else is fair game.
tyler oliveira
What other group can you not discuss, though, right?
tucker carlson
I don't know.
tyler oliveira
You can disrespect Christianity with, without any flack.
Um, you can disrespect Islam legally.
They might kill you for it.
And seemingly with Jews, um, or at least some of these groups of Jews, um, the legal affair may begin.
Um, you might get deplatformed or pulled off some sites.
tucker carlson
So, so what happened?
unidentified
Okay.
tucker carlson
So what happened?
So you do this video in New York at Kiris Juel.
What kind of reception does it get?
tyler oliveira
Uh, the Americans are happy.
Thank you for calling this out.
The locals who live in nearby communities, thank God someone has finally spoken out about this.
tucker carlson
Oh, the locals have strong feelings about it.
tyler oliveira
Oh, they're perpetually grateful to me because no one has ever touched this because seemingly it's radioactive.
If you have any political ambitions, they die overnight if you talk about this.
This is a strong voting block.
And on top of that, they're leveraging the generational guilt of the Holocaust.
You're anti Semitic if you oppose any of what they're doing.
unidentified
So.
tyler oliveira
I was a hero to the local communities that live nearby.
tucker carlson
Just to be clear, the Holocaust was not committed by Americans.
We were actually the people who ended it, I think.
tyler oliveira
You can't make this up, Tucker.
tucker carlson
Right.
No, but I just want, because history does get so distorted in real time, America did not commit the Holocaust.
tyler oliveira
It has nothing to do with me.
tucker carlson
We lost many, many, many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Americans fighting against it.
So actually, America is the hero in that story.
So I don't know why any American would feel guilt about something that we gave.
The lives of our ancestors to stop.
So that's just my.
tyler oliveira
I think that's a great point.
tucker carlson
It is a weird thing.
tyler oliveira
It's a defense.
It's a mechanism that's almost reflexive for a lot of these people to throw out the anti Semitism and then the conversation's buried, right?
So it's a shield to dissuade further argumentation as to why I disagree with, let's say, a Jewish group, their actions.
unidentified
Right.
tyler oliveira
And it's abused, obviously, and its weight seems to no longer exist.
tucker carlson
I'd heard that it was abused.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I'd heard that.
tyler oliveira
I mean, I think so.
unidentified
Right.
tucker carlson
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Someone had told me.
tyler oliveira
But for me, To clarify, I'm an equal opportunity offender, so to speak, in that.
tucker carlson
I think you've demonstrated that.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, I'll talk to any of these groups of people and have plenty of critical questions for all of them, not just Jewish people.
I didn't wake up one day and say, let's go piss off some Jews, right?
This is a perfect example of an ethnic enclave that exploits the welfare system.
And let's go check it out.
Just like I would a Muslim group or a Christian group.
tucker carlson
Just as you did.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So, okay.
So you get big numbers.
The audience likes it.
The neighbors are grateful for it.
A bunch of Israelis say, hey, we love this because we've lived it.
Yeah.
Where does the criticism come from?
tyler oliveira
Republican demagoguery.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tyler oliveira
I think some politicians, Republican politicians, the Republican Party at large is as opposed to it.
unidentified
Really?
tyler oliveira
The left can get behind it.
A lot of the right can get behind it.
But also, a lot of the right is disgusted by it.
How dare he engage in anti Semitism?
The ADL says it harkens back to age old anti Semitic tropes.
Yeah, I don't even know what to say.
tucker carlson
That's unbelievable.
tyler oliveira
For me, it's just laughable.
tucker carlson
Did any of the people who praised your Somali Absolutely.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
Did they attack this?
tyler oliveira
Yes.
tucker carlson
Same people?
tyler oliveira
Yes.
Yeah, I would give names, but their names are probably too irrelevant to invoke here at this table.
But you know, certainly hypocrisy.
tucker carlson
You know, of people who praised one video exposing parasitic behavior by an ethnic enclave, but attacked the same thing when it was another enclave.
tyler oliveira
For sure.
For sure.
unidentified
Okay.
Well, that's.
tyler oliveira
And you would think even secular Jewish communities would be like, hey, you know, thanks for pointing this out.
We appreciate that, which some of them did, of course, but largely.
There is a tribal mentality of why are you attacking these poor innocent Jews who just want to mind their own business?
That's great.
Go mind your own business.
Not on my dime, Tucker.
I pay taxes.
tucker carlson
Oh, I agree.
tyler oliveira
Quit taking money out of my wallet.
If you want to go live in the woods, do it.
Work hard enough to buy your own property and go do it.
I shouldn't have to subsidize your lifestyle.
It's that simple.
tucker carlson
I totally agree.
tyler oliveira
Beyond that though, there's no beef.
There's no frustration.
There's no hatred.
tucker carlson
It's, um, just, I think any, any honest person sees exactly the point you're making and it's pretty hard to disagree with it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Any serious person.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
tucker carlson
I mean, if you think this is okay, is it okay to have, I don't know, some Christian Nazi group or, or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
And to that point, right?
So there's that all white community that's trying to start up in the Arkansas, the Ozarks, Arkansas.
They're going to get sued into oblivion.
tucker carlson
Just for existing.
tyler oliveira
Just for violating the Fair Housing Act, right?
For discriminating against non whites.
For those who don't know, it's a group in the Ozarks that's trying to build an all white town.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
That's illegal.
tucker carlson
With tax money?
unidentified
No.
tyler oliveira
Self funded.
So the beauty of Curious Joelle to me was we're essentially going to de facto violate the Fair Housing Act, de facto segregate ourselves from secular society with secular taxpayer dollars.
And if you don't like it, you're anti Semitic, fuck you.
That was my takeaway.
tucker carlson
What's what's happening?
tyler oliveira
And white people can't do it.
tucker carlson
And yeah, I mean, I think blacks tried to do it in downtown Philadelphia in the mid 80s and they got firebombed by the mayor.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
They literally got blown up with a bomb.
Not that, you know, look, whatever.
I've never been for racial separatism, but like, I also believe in freedom of association and do whatever you want.
tyler oliveira
I think actually you should be able to do that.
I don't have, I don't really take any trouble with them segregating.
That's fine.
Why would you not want to live next to people that look like you, worship the same God, pray like you, raise their children the same way?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
But why can they only do it?
That's all.
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That's amazing.
So, what were the consequences for you?
tyler oliveira
So, immediately, obviously, the sponsor pulled out of our video.
We don't want to touch that.
So, I can talk about Muslims, Christians.
Pimps, prostitutes, any group you can imagine.
But this was the no no, Tucker.
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tyler oliveira
This was the radioactive topic.
tucker carlson
Which you had an advertiser in the video.
tyler oliveira
Typically, they do not ask me for the topic of the video.
tucker carlson
For this video, I've never been asked for the topic of a video.
tyler oliveira
I generally have creative flexibility to place these sponsorships I get on whatever video I please.
But for this one, I put out a tweet saying, Have you ever heard of Curious Joelle?
And I broke down some of the statistics regarding their welfare use.
And I'm not going to name the company, but one of the correspondents on behalf of that company saw it and wanted to clarify that it would not be about the Orthodox Jews.
And then when I said, yeah, it is, they pulled out.
So obviously they have the right to spend their money how they please.
It's just funny.
And it goes to show, seemingly, which groups you cannot talk about.
tucker carlson
Well, I think that's pretty clear at this point.
I have a lot of thoughts about that.
The main one is I think it's counterproductive.
Obviously, it's not good for anyone in the end.
But I also think it's a violation of like the core idea of America, which is.
tyler oliveira
And it leads to resentment, I think.
tucker carlson
Oh, big time.
tyler oliveira
For a lot of people.
tucker carlson
Big time.
tyler oliveira
And it sort of proves their points right in the sense of you have special privileges.
No, I don't.
You can't talk about us.
Shut up.
Okay.
So you do have special privileges?
tucker carlson
Well, I agree with you.
unidentified
Do you?
No.
tyler oliveira
So after that video, so many residents from New Jersey reached out to me and said, hey, we have the same thing going on here in Lakewood, New Jersey and surrounding towns.
Please come here and take a look.
So, Lakewood, I think, is the most populous Jewish town besides what Brooklyn, New York, in the United States.
Massive Orthodox Jewish community.
And many of the towns have been turned over, so to speak.
Non Jewish towns have become predominantly Jewish towns in the last two decades, from my understanding, in the early 2000s, especially.
And it has been perpetrated through pretty aggressive methods, so to speak.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So, we're talking about.
The consolidation of political dominance from the township board to the planning board to the zoning board to the school board and the heritage residents in these areas.
Their argument is they've made it so uncomfortable for us that we've either left if we've had the means to leave financially, and those who are left behind send their kids to a dismantled, eluded, and pillaged public school system that's been destroyed inadvertently by the presence of these Orthodox Jews.
tucker carlson
Well, how has it destroyed this school system?
tyler oliveira
In New Jersey, the state funding formula for schools is a derivative of public school attendance.
unidentified
Okay.
tyler oliveira
So, if I had 5,000 public school attendees, that would be multiplied by X to determine the amount of money my school gets.
So, what happens is when Orthodox Jewish communities come in, they overwhelm these school districts with Jewish students who go to yeshivas, right?
They do not attend the public school system.
Yet, simultaneously, those schools have an obligation to fund private transportation, special education for these private schools.
So, what ends up happening is a large piece of the pie ends up getting allocated towards these private schools in the form of gender segregated busing and exorbitant costs for special education within the Jewish community.
tucker carlson
Wait, the state pays for gender segregation?
tyler oliveira
Gender segregated busing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
The state pays for that?
tyler oliveira
Correct.
So, that's state funded.
tucker carlson
You can't even get states to have gender segregated bathrooms, but they're paying for gender segregated busing?
tyler oliveira
Sure.
Because they argue it's a violation of their freedom to religiously express themselves.
And yeah.
So, there's gender segregated busing at play here.
tucker carlson
What about Title IX?
There's no federal law.
Well, that's amazing.
tyler oliveira
Sure.
Yes.
And what are you?
It's a violation of the Establishment Clause.
tucker carlson
By the way, just in point of fact, I'm okay with gender segregation.
I don't have a problem with it at all.
At all.
In fact, I think it's good in some ways.
But I just didn't know that the government could pay for it because I thought the official position of the government at every level was gender segregation is always bad, including in the John.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
But no, it's okay when the yeshivas do it.
tyler oliveira
Sure.
Because they're a religious organization.
unidentified
Okay.
tyler oliveira
Which, you know, different conversation, but religious freedoms in this country, I think, have gone too far or have been weaponized by bad actors.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I mean, there seems to be less religious freedom for some people, but a lot more for others.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
And this is not the only instance of this exact same behavior.
The blueprint was made in East Ramapo in Muncie, New York, not too far away.
Basically, Orthodox Jews came into this community of mostly black and brown, working class, poor people.
Bought a bunch of real estate, established their presence, voted themselves into positions of power in the school board, the zoning board, the planning board, the city council.
They voted to defund like after school activities for the kids in the public schools to increase the amount of funding for these yeshivas.
And then they would consolidate the public schools that existed as the funding basically went down and the public student enrollment went down as people left.
They would consolidate them.
Consolidate them, meaning they would close down some of the public schools and they would then sell them off for a discounted price to these yeshivas.
So the takeaway from nearby towns.
tucker carlson
Wait, and so they actually took over the physical plant of the buildings?
tyler oliveira
They bought the schools at discounted rates.
Yeah.
Below market rates, arguably.
unidentified
Damn.
tyler oliveira
It's brutal, right?
So the lesson for nearby towns was we don't really have any upside for these people to move in if.
A, the state funding formula is designed in such a way that the quality of our kids and their public education will go down and they will elect themselves into political power and basically be aggressive and unreasonable neighbors to live by.
So, yeah.
tucker carlson
That's an amazing story.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, it's interesting.
tucker carlson
So, you get calls from people saying that this is going on.
What you covered in New York is happening at an even bigger scale.
tyler oliveira
Not a call, just.
Widespread social media feedback.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Like, hey, what you saw here, um, there's, there's tons of it and more here in Lakewood.
Come, come down and visit.
tucker carlson
So what's Lakewood like?
tyler oliveira
Lakewood is, some would describe it as Little Jerusalem, Israel 2.0.
I've never been to Israel.
The climate's fundamentally different.
Obviously, that's a questionable comparison, but New Jersey is the same size as Israel, weirdly.
Funnily enough.
tucker carlson
But I bet you the landscape in Israel is more charming.
tyler oliveira
Probably so, right?
It's the Holy Land, right?
Yeah.
I mean, it's New Jersey, first off.
It's an ocean county.
The climate's much different, but it is densely populated with.
I think two thirds of the population is Orthodox Jews.
The driving's terrible.
And they run the show down there.
tucker carlson
And you went?
tyler oliveira
I went.
I went to Lakewood.
I went to Munson, New York.
I went to the nearby town of Jackson, Jackson Township.
Where else did we go?
We went all over.
tucker carlson
What kind of experience did you have?
tyler oliveira
Oh, I was the boogeyman.
A lot of these people had seen the video in Curious Joel and they were afraid for me to come down to Lakewood, New Jersey.
There were group chats where they would disseminate Yiddish.
Posters basically saying, Do not talk to anyone with a camera.
Do not let anyone in our synagogues play Disney music so he gets a copyright claim on his videos.
Like, I was the devil after that video and Kiris Shoel came out in other Orthodox Jewish communities because I also put out a tweet saying, I'm going to come down.
Let me know if you have any tips.
I'm coming, basically.
unidentified
Wow.
tucker carlson
So, what happened when you got there?
Did anyone talk to you?
tyler oliveira
Of course.
Yeah.
Despite them being told not to talk to me, a lot of Jewish people did come up to me, and their main point was, The law is written in such a way that we deserve to receive these welfare benefits.
We qualify legally and therefore it's okay and good.
And if you have a problem with that, go move to a different country.
tucker carlson
My position was go move to a different country.
tyler oliveira
Sure.
I mean, obviously not all of them thought that way.
There were a few friendly encounters, but mostly it was pretty confrontational, unwelcoming.
They were frustrated that I was there.
tucker carlson
I can take it.
Therefore, I'm justified in taking it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So beyond the ethics of whether or not it was a good or bad thing to do, their justification was if the law is written in such a way.
We are justified in doing it.
The law was somehow supreme over what I would argue to be morals or ethics.
That, in my opinion, is a bad thing to exploit or take advantage of if that's what you're doing.
But for them, it's not coincidental.
It's by design, it's systemic exploitation of a system.
They're fully aware of all of its loopholes.
They understand the law in such a way that allows them to exploit it in every degree.
tucker carlson
I mean, I think what you're seeing is a clash of worldviews.
tyler oliveira
I think so.
tucker carlson
So I understand both, by the way.
I understand both.
But one is a legalistic worldview.
This is the law, and we're within the bounds of the law, which is, I think, totally defensible.
And the other is well, there's a higher law having to do with your ethics, honor, shame, decency.
unidentified
Yes.
tucker carlson
And you see this repeatedly in the New Testament when Jesus heals on the Sabbath.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
There's a, well, they're all famous scenes, but there's a particularly memorable scene where he heals a guy who's been crippled for 38 years at the pool of Bethsaida, and the guy gets up and picks up his mat and starts walking, and the Pharisees are just on him.
The guy hasn't walked in 38 years.
They're like, you're holding your mat on the Sabbath.
This is against the law.
unidentified
Sure.
tucker carlson
And Jesus, like, no, you're missing the point.
He can walk after 38 years.
Like, there's a higher calling here.
unidentified
Sure.
tucker carlson
And so I'm not attacking anybody.
I'm just saying, like, I think you're kind of seeing that in law versus ethics, morality.
I think that's my opinion.
tyler oliveira
The way I view what welfare was designed for, which was to help indigence, poverty, a single mom with some kids they can't afford to pay for.
tucker carlson
Or even more broadly, there are things that we're allowed to do that we don't do because we restrain ourselves.
tyler oliveira
I agree.
tucker carlson
I can scream the F word at a grandmother.
There's no law against it, but I don't because that's disgusting.
unidentified
Right?
tyler oliveira
I think so.
tucker carlson
You could probably get on welfare right now.
tyler oliveira
Oh, I'm sure a lot of people could and don't due to this concept of shame, which is seemingly not universal, right?
unidentified
Yes.
tyler oliveira
We let all of these groups of people from all over the world, including Jewish people, right?
Including, you know, sub Saharan Africans, whoever it may be, into the United States because apparently we have this obligation of being a melting pot, whatever that means, however new that concept is.
And we're surprised when we learn that we have different worldviews, different values, different gods.
Different interpretations of reality that guide our actions.
Thus, the divide, because the heritage residents in a city like Lakewood are saying, Yeah, we know you can legally qualify, but we're tired of paying for your shit.
Please stop.
And they're saying, The law says I can, therefore I will.
Anti Semitism.
tucker carlson
If you don't like it, leave.
tyler oliveira
Therefore, leave.
tucker carlson
You leave your country.
unidentified
Yes.
tyler oliveira
Despite their whole lifestyle being contingent on being subsidized by the welfare that is paid for by secular tax dollars, is my position.
So, you can't be mad at the person that funds your entire way of life.
I think that's disingenuous and that's a little ungrateful.
tucker carlson
It's the definition of it.
Yeah.
Do local politicians weigh in on this?
tyler oliveira
They didn't weigh in on it directly when I put my video out.
But all local politicians cave to these guys.
The voting block is too immensely valuable for anyone to shut this down, to cap the amount of benefits that they receive, to Two kids or three kids.
No one wants to take away their gravy train because they want the votes.
So, the votes in exchange for them to be able to live the life however they want to please, to teach their kids however they want, to exhaust the welfare system however they please, and to not prosecute seemingly any wrongdoers.
unidentified
So, yeah.
tucker carlson
So, this video comes out.
Did you have any, I should ask, did you have any like hostile exchanges?
Police Bullying and Hit Pieces 00:12:40
tucker carlson
Did you call?
tyler oliveira
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I want to emphasize that I had no fear of being physically harmed in these communities.
That's, I got to throw a bone their way.
Unlike Minneapolis, I did fear the Somali communities, you know, attacking me or shooting me.
tucker carlson
Oh, for sure.
tyler oliveira
That's a real fear.
Showing up to Curious Shoelle or Lakewood, that's not a real fear.
There's no fear of physical harm, in my opinion.
I walk without security there.
That's not a real concern.
tucker carlson
Whereas you felt threatened in the Somali neighborhood.
unidentified
Sure.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
I mean, or some of these crime ridden, predominantly black cities.
And, Let's say Jackson, Mississippi or Kensington, Philadelphia.
I might fear I might get shot.
That's not a concern here.
So I'm not physically fearful.
Um, but we were intimidated by the local police and most interestingly, their own internal police.
They have this, this thing called Shamrim.
It's a volunteer, um, community patrol, but they de facto function is law enforcement within the community.
So we had this Shamrim volunteer.
Police equivalent basically show up to us and say, I'm going to let everyone know that they don't have to answer your questions and we're going to follow you.
Um, so keep in mind that these people drive cars with red and blue lights.
They look like undercover police vehicles.
How is that legal?
I don't think it is, Tucker, but they do it.
Um, I'm not a lawyer, of course, but, uh, they're blasting through red lights with what appear to be undercover police cars.
And this is a volunteer civilian patrol squad.
Um, now keep in mind.
They receive some element of federal funds, township funds.
To my tax dollars, still somehow end up funding Shamrim, a volunteer police squad in New Jersey.
How is that even possible?
tucker carlson
The religious police.
unidentified
Exactly.
tyler oliveira
Essentially.
tucker carlson
Like in Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
tyler oliveira
Imagine if a Muslim group did that.
unidentified
I'd be opposed.
tucker carlson
I'd be opposed.
Outraged from me, too.
I don't know.
unidentified
Sure.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
And technically, they're a volunteer civilian patrol squad, but they function as an intimidating force to stop you from doing things, to sort of enforce the law.
And oftentimes they've been accused of breaching what they can actually do legally, whether it be like, I think they beat some gay black guy to blindness once in like Crown Heights.
There have been several instances of people basically saying, yo, they're not cops.
Why are they acting like that?
tucker carlson
They ran over a kid in Crown Heights in the 80s and caused one of the biggest riots in New York.
Oh, is this the Crown Heights riots?
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Where Hotsola, their EMS, their volunteer EMS, didn't take the kid, but they took the Jewish guy, right?
And the kid died?
tucker carlson
That's correct.
Well, that was the claim.
I mean, I wasn't there.
And, um, yeah.
No, I wasn't.
tyler oliveira
I wasn't there either.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
New York.
And like, you never know.
And everyone lies about everything.
And ethnic conflict is incredibly hard to decipher.
Like, what?
Because as soon as it gets tribal, everyone lies on behalf of the tribe, whatever the tribe.
It's not just, it's not just the Orthodox.
It's the Black people.
Any tribe does this.
So I don't really know what happened, of course.
tyler oliveira
But yeah, I don't know.
tucker carlson
That, that was certainly the account that history has recorded is that.
tyler oliveira
And why wouldn't they have an in group preferential bias, right?
unidentified
Well, they do.
tyler oliveira
And any person does, right?
Obviously.
tucker carlson
Whites don't.
tyler oliveira
But with the exception of like post George Floyd, I'm pretty sure they ran a study where whites were less inclined to shoot a black guy.
tucker carlson
Of course, much less.
tyler oliveira
Obviously, right?
It's where all life is going to get torn to shreds.
tucker carlson
Right.
And whites have just had it beaten out of them.
And even in a country that fought the Nazis, everyone somehow feels responsible for the Nazis.
But anyway, yeah.
And there may be other reasons.
But the bottom line is you're right.
tyler oliveira
Yes, we had rabbis telling us we couldn't be in the parking lot for the Kosher West supermarket.
Get out of here.
People whispering in each other's ears.
Don't talk to him.
There's seemingly this upper management rabbinical class that's telling the plebs to not talk to this guy.
He's trouble.
So there would be a lot of people excited to come up to me actually and tell a joke.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I got a funny joke for you.
unidentified
I was like, all right, great.
We'll show some positives.
tyler oliveira
Guy comes up or don't talk to him.
He says, do you know how much money we make?
That was his new response.
I'm like, come on, man.
Just show your humanity.
Talk to me.
I'm here to talk.
I'm not a scary guy.
We're not rolling with 10 security guards.
It's me and like a cameraman or two in the distance.
I'm walking alone for the most part.
And I have a group of 10 to 20 of these Orthodox Jews arguing with me as to how they're entitled to welfare, how it was seemingly promised to them.
Oh, man.
But yeah, so they had their own internal police force.
The cops themselves were pulling me over without probable cause.
I would say, Hey, officer, I know you're doing your job.
Why am I being pulled over?
They would say, You're a suspicious person.
I would say, What's suspicious about me?
You were filming.
Okay.
We were filming on the sidewalk.
Give me your IDs.
There's, they can't articulate probable cause.
Um, we suspect, um, that one of the high ranking local officials called the police and told them to give us a hard time.
That's speculative.
I don't know.
tucker carlson
What country is this again?
tyler oliveira
The United States of America.
tucker carlson
Oh, America.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
It's easy to forget though, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So, yeah, it was hostile.
It was unwelcoming.
They thought I was there to do a hit piece.
tucker carlson
Um, I was there to talk to them and a lot of, you're allowed to do a hit piece if you want in your own country.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
And I am allowed to do that.
And part of my position was first of all, it wasn't a hit piece.
It was fair, in my opinion.
But B, I don't have to show up to show the positive sides of whatever community.
That's for Joe Schmo to do.
I'm here to jump into the heart of darkness and ask the hard questions.
And if people get pissed off, then so be it.
tucker carlson
It's not your problem.
tyler oliveira
That's not my prerogative.
I want to do the fun, hard stuff, which is asking the questions that may piss off a few people.
tucker carlson
So, did you get the same picture you got at Curious Joel that this is a community supported by welfare?
tyler oliveira
The economics are a little bit different, they're a little more well off financially.
But basically, at any given time, you can expect half of the population that's 16 and up to be unemployed.
unidentified
Half?
Half.
tyler oliveira
So keep in mind, though, Tucker, that in a place like Curious Shoah, I think the median age is less than 16 years old.
So, what that really means is half the population is children, and half of the adult population is unemployed and not seeking employment.
Whether it be religious study, child rearing for the women, they have no intention of getting a job and financially contributing.
unidentified
Um, so yeah.
tucker carlson
So how'd that video do?
tyler oliveira
Oh, that one went nuclear.
Uh, Republicans were pissed.
tucker carlson
They were?
tyler oliveira
Uh, good faith Republicans, in my opinion, drew comparisons to the Somali situation and said, what's the difference between the Jews here using the welfare in systematically exploitative ways and, um, the Somalis?
Like, what's the difference, basically?
Um, bad faith Republicans, Hypocritical Republicans were saying they're using the system as intended, they don't cause any violent crime.
Leave them alone, essentially.
You're not allowed to talk about why don't they leave us alone, right?
As a taxpayer, yeah, go fund it yourself, and no one would have an issue.
And that's really the correct support.
tucker carlson
It sure, I like eccentric, self sufficient religious communities, I don't want to bother any one of them, sure.
tyler oliveira
But part of the secondary argument is their intrusion into the community, and the words I used were invasion.
Has led to the inadvertent destruction of the public school system for the secular or Goyim population, the non Jewish population in these towns.
Basically, as more Jews move in, it is unavoidable that your public school quality will go to shit.
Your kids will have a lesser quality of education.
So it's either get out now while you can, sell your house to the Orthodox Jews moving in, or be the last one holding the bag as your town goes to shit.
tucker carlson
Man, that's upsetting.
tyler oliveira
Kind of, right?
tucker carlson
So, this video goes bonkers on the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So, within I think less than 24 hours, my Patreon is deleted mysteriously.
tucker carlson
What's Patreon?
tyler oliveira
Patreon is a sort of a crowdfunding website that allows you to directly raise money from your viewers or fans or whatever, where you can say, you know, hey, you can get access to these videos for five bucks a month.
So, a large portion of our independence was from this website where we had people subscribe to our Patreon.
It's just a website that allows you to collect money on a subscription or routine basis.
Less than 24 hours after releasing this video, my Patreon is deleted, gone, without warning.
unidentified
Why?
tyler oliveira
They cited some BS.
They basically, the way the terms of service is written is in such a manner that they can take you down.
tucker carlson
But that's your business.
tyler oliveira
That's my business, right?
Obviously, it's their business.
It is what it is.
I was naive.
tucker carlson
But this is the engine of your business, right?
tyler oliveira
Yeah, a large part of how we're funded.
I mean, it's really just a middleman that allows you to have a mistake.
unidentified
Was it a mistake?
tyler oliveira
No, absolutely not.
They did not have been stated since.
tucker carlson
Did they ever explain?
unidentified
No.
tyler oliveira
No, they cited, I think it was for bullying or something like that.
unidentified
Bullying.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
And I think they might have selected a video that they could easily argue was the case in their eyes in such a way that their terms of service is written.
But no, we were deplatformed basically overnight from Patreon.
tucker carlson
But you'd done controversial videos that could be seen as controversial before, correct?
tyler oliveira
You'd done videos that could easily be seen.
If that is your parameter for hate or bullying.
Then we've bullied everyone.
unidentified
Give me an example.
tyler oliveira
We're the biggest bullies.
We've critiqued corrupt mega pastors like Benny Hinn.
I ran up on the guy's stage and said he's a snake oil salesman.
I got tackled.
unidentified
Wow.
tyler oliveira
We've dissected Benny Hinn.
Benny Hinn.
tucker carlson
He was a friend of Paula White's, I think.
Paula White, the head Christian Zionist in the administration.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
tucker carlson
You didn't get pulled off.
unidentified
No.
tucker carlson
So you actually kind of hassled Benny Hinn like full blown.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
We interrupted his service.
unidentified
Whoa.
tyler oliveira
I jumped on stage.
tucker carlson
Did you do anything like that in a synagogue in Lakewood or Curiously?
tyler oliveira
We just walked in the synagogues and talked.
tucker carlson
You didn't interrupt the canter or anything.
tyler oliveira
No, I didn't do any dramatic.
tucker carlson
So you're way tougher on the Christian preacher than you were on the Orthodox.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
You know, if you think of it like that way, not by design necessarily, but to be fair, absolutely.
Nothing happened.
tucker carlson
No problem.
tyler oliveira
No problem.
unidentified
Oh.
What else?
tucker carlson
What other kind of videos might have been read as bullying?
tyler oliveira
If I'm a bully, then we've bullied pedophiles.
Pat myself on the back for that one.
It's not so much bullying.
We've just critiqued and asked critical questions to every group.
Yeah.
And never Muslims, Christians, pimps, prostitutes, criminal gangsters, murderers, whoever, Tucker, everyone.
tucker carlson
And did Patreon ever?
tyler oliveira
Black supremacists, white supremacists.
No, no issue on Patreon.
tucker carlson
What's interesting is it used to be not that long ago, back in George Floyd times, that George Floyd, we had a video on George Floyd.
unidentified
Oh, did you?
Literally?
Yeah.
tucker carlson
But there was a period where you couldn't say anything about Black Lives Matter, for example.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Do you remember that?
tyler oliveira
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I grew up in those times.
tucker carlson
Yes.
So that's gone, apparently.
It doesn't matter.
unidentified
I guess.
tucker carlson
Say whatever you want.
Yeah.
This is the new BLM.
tyler oliveira
This is the new meta.
Yeah.
The new untouchable group is seemingly, it seems to be Jews at large, unrelated to how they feel about Israel and what's going on in the Middle East.
And just that's an untouchable group.
Are you familiar with the proposed anti Semitism protection laws in Florida?
unidentified
Yeah.
I'm not a lawyer.
tyler oliveira
I don't have an encyclopedic breakdown of what it is, but basically, laws that are designed in such a manner that if you criticize basically exactly what I found in Curious Shoel, that that would be criminal.
unidentified
Criminal.
YouTube Moderation and Hate Speech 00:05:25
tyler oliveira
I think so.
That if you accuse a Jewish person of having dual loyalty or them causing problems in the Middle East or whatever it is, there's like 12 different bullet points that's.
Your ability to freely discuss what's going on in the Middle East or here in the United States of America, which is funny to me because there are, in fact, people who do have to rule over that.
tucker carlson
You're not allowed to tell Americans what they have to believe, period.
unidentified
I think so.
tucker carlson
And if you back up your demand with guns using our government to prevent us from saying what we think is true, then that's grounds for.
tyler oliveira
I would agree, but who's going to do that?
tucker carlson
For a revolution.
We had a revolution over something smaller than that, you know?
So.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, but who's going to go out with guns and fight back at this point?
You have the surveillance state, you're going to get arrested immediately.
Like, is revolution really?
tucker carlson
If they can make people take the vax, then probably they can make them do it.
tyler oliveira
We failed the compliance.
tucker carlson
Oh, no, you're right.
You're right.
No, it's right.
It's just that you would think that people would hold on to their core freedom, which is the right to say what you think is true, period.
tyler oliveira
You would think a lot of things, Tucker.
tucker carlson
No, I know.
So, Patreon, that's crazy.
So, you lost an advertiser and you.
tyler oliveira
Overnight, yeah.
And that money, the amount of money that was allocated for me to receive, I think, on a monthly basis, just disappeared, refunded to my supporters.
tucker carlson
Seriously.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, but luckily, you know, we're big enough to where we took it like a champ.
It is what it is.
Fuck them, basically.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
We made our own website.
You know, we fully host that.
And then I got banned from the website servers, not once, but twice.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I couldn't host my website for what was it?
Hate speech for something along those lines.
tucker carlson
Seriously?
tyler oliveira
Seriously.
tucker carlson
Because of those videos?
tyler oliveira
I guess.
I mean, there's no specification as to which video, just generally, I'm a propagator of hate speech.
tucker carlson
The web host.
That's just the web host.
Whoever owns the servers.
tyler oliveira
Exactly.
Just the servers.
So, Herzner and Volter took me off.
Yeah.
That's crazy, right?
It's just something you never would have thought of.
tucker carlson
Did you think of it ahead of time?
tyler oliveira
No, absolutely not.
That's why I made the website in the first place.
I was like, I'll just make my own.
And then we got taken off the hosting.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
Did they explain it?
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
They said they cited like banning circumvention as basically I circumvented a previous ban from another platform, which in this case would be Patreon, I guess.
And then for hate speech or something along those lines.
tucker carlson
How long did this take to happen?
tyler oliveira
I think maybe it lasted a week for the first one, maybe a week again, maybe a week and a half.
tucker carlson
So immediately, Patreon.
tyler oliveira
Pretty quickly.
Oh, Patreon within 24 hours, from what I remember.
And then about a week on one website, and then about another week.
One week on one website server, and then another week on another website.
tucker carlson
And there's no appeal or argument or anything.
tyler oliveira
We're kicking you off.
You're out of here, buddy.
tucker carlson
Did you ever hear from them again?
Did they reinstate you?
Anybody?
tyler oliveira
No, reinstated by none.
It's a joke.
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So, what did you do?
tyler oliveira
I mean, I have a new web host server right now, but.
tucker carlson
Are you worried about YouTube?
tyler oliveira
I feel as if YouTube's doing an okay job at moderating, right?
They certainly are.
They're letting us have this conversation.
Yes.
Those videos have 9 million views almost.
To me, that's.
I got to give them kudos because they love that conversation.
tucker carlson
I spent many years attacking YouTube and maybe I will again.
Yeah.
But I got fired almost exactly three years ago and YouTube has been.
A stalwart partner.
You never thought I would say that.
I wouldn't lie about it.
It's not like I'm in, I don't owe them money.
unidentified
Sure.
tucker carlson
I could exist without them, but I just have to be, I think you're in the same position.
tyler oliveira
I would say largely I could not exist without them, but they've treated me with fairness.
tucker carlson
So that's kind of shocking.
unidentified
It is.
tucker carlson
If you get to the point where you're sitting here complimenting Google for their commitment to free speech, things are bad.
unidentified
Things are getting bad, right?
tucker carlson
No, but we should be grateful for our blessings.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And so far, YouTube has been a blessing.
I can't believe I'm saying that.
unidentified
I know.
It's just a fact.
Times are changing.
tucker carlson
It's just a fact.
I don't know what to say.
I feel like a sellout, but it's just true.
So, wow.
So, we didn't, in the end, you replaced the income?
unidentified
How?
Yes.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
How do you do that?
tyler oliveira
People just rally behind the cause of why would you not allow this guy to have a job?
tucker carlson
Well, I couldn't have done it.
unidentified
I couldn't.
tucker carlson
I feel like sending you money to listen to this.
But I mean, how do you do that?
So, Patreon is the dominant service for this, correct?
tyler oliveira
I used AI to code a new website and then we hosted it on a web host server.
tucker carlson
You've made your own?
tyler oliveira
It's made my own.
Yeah.
Like the next day at like two in the morning, I was just clacking away on.
tucker carlson
No way.
tyler oliveira
I swear.
Yeah, that's the story.
tucker carlson
You built your own Patreon.
tyler oliveira
I don't think it's the prettiest website, Zucker.
But yeah, we built a Patreon clone, basically.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
In 24 hours?
tyler oliveira
No, maybe a couple days.
A couple days.
tucker carlson
That's incredible.
And it actually works.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, I guess for that much at least.
Yeah, it works.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Like, surprisingly, it's not that sophisticated to host a video.
tucker carlson
No, I guess that's right.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, right.
It's not a complicated product.
tucker carlson
So you have survived.
tyler oliveira
We've survived.
Tempted.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
What are the lessons you're drawing from this?
Building a Patreon Clone 00:05:34
tyler oliveira
Seemingly, there are a lot of powerful Jewish people who own.
Significant media enterprises, websites that seem to bend the knee, at least to what they view to be anti Semitic dialogue.
tucker carlson
What's interesting though is I don't know a lot about it.
I'll just be totally blunt.
I've always liked the Orthodox just on principle because, and I loved them during COVID because they wouldn't stop their weddings.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, they threw a middle finger.
tucker carlson
I love that.
I was constantly from my heart complimenting the.
tyler oliveira
I think they're great if they did it on their own diet.
tucker carlson
That's totally great.
I didn't even know that.
tyler oliveira
I think they're, I mean, they're nice people.
If I wasn't there with the camera asking critical questions, they're nice enough.
tucker carlson
But what's interesting is every time I've ever, Um, complimented the Orthodox, and I like their style, like the beaver hats and all that.
I like all that stuff, and um, the garb is badass.
The people who've pushed back against me are secular Jews, like there's always been in Israel, as noted, there's terrible tension, but here also, um, I've had a lot of friends who are basically secular Jewish express real hostility toward the Orthodox in what respect?
You know, they don't like them.
I mean, I've noticed that my whole life, just having a lot of interesting secular Jewish friends.
Whenever I'm like, I was in Borough Park, Brooklyn once.
unidentified
Okay.
tucker carlson
And I came for a story years ago, 30 years, and I came back to my newsroom and I was like, I like those guys.
And they were all the people I know who are secular Jews.
I don't like them.
They're disgusting.
unidentified
They're horrible.
tucker carlson
Like there was tension between those two groups.
That's what I've always noticed.
I'm hardly an expert, I'm an Episcopalian, but I've just seen this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
What was fascinating is kind of weird that.
tyler oliveira
Is that despite their internal differences, they do show up for each other, it seems like.
tucker carlson
Apparently.
tyler oliveira
I think so, because I had a lot of secular Jews frustrated and pissed off that were in these videos.
tucker carlson
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
The Israelis kind of loved it, though, it seems like.
tucker carlson
Right, of course.
tyler oliveira
They're like, thank you for calling this out.
We have the same thing here in Israel.
They won't enlist.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Whatever you think about the Israelis, I've known a bunch of them I liked personally, but they have fewer hangups about this kind of stuff.
They're much more direct.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Do you know what I mean?
tyler oliveira
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
They're straightforward people.
So, what is this going to change how you progress?
tyler oliveira
Hell no.
No, I mean, this was the most radioactive thing we could have done at this point.
No bars held.
I mean, we'll continue to critically show up with the same critical lens we would any other group, right?
tucker carlson
Did it affect any friendships?
tyler oliveira
No, not that I'm aware of.
tucker carlson
Okay, good.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good, right?
tucker carlson
That's a true loss.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
If that happens to you, that's a real loss.
tyler oliveira
That would be sad.
But ultimately, I would see that as their loss because, come on, we're on a mission here to hold everyone accountable to the same standards.
And if that's exactly right, breaks our friendship, then come on, get out of here.
tucker carlson
I agree.
I agree with that.
Do you worry that if this can happen to you?
I didn't realize this stuff was still happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I thought Trump was going to fix all this stuff.
I thought this was like a relic of the Biden years.
tyler oliveira
But I'll give you an example.
There was a guy who made a similar video, almost a brand new channel, maybe like 2,000 subscribers on YouTube, a very small channel and YouTube metrics.
He put out a video there in Lakewood about a week or two before I think we finished ours.
And he got dogpiled by the Orthodox Jewish community.
They mass disliked it and ultimately algorithmically killed the video.
They aborted the video before its inception, so to speak, and never got to take off.
So, my takeaway was if we were not the size we were on YouTube, I don't think we could comfortably even talk about a lot of these things.
We have the track record for treating everyone equally, in my opinion.
We have the size to sort of bully this into conversation, was my takeaway.
tucker carlson
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
For people who don't know what you mean about dogpiling a video out of existence, can you just explain the mechanics?
tyler oliveira
Yeah, I mean, this is somewhat speculative on my end, but I think there's data out there that suggests that when a video from the get go is mass disliked, for instance, if you had 10,000 people click this video, Dislike it and watch it for one second.
The algorithm would disincentivize the proliferation of this video to new viewers.
So, you have a guy with 100 subscribers who puts out a video critical of a group, like let's say the Orthodox Jews, and it gets 10,000 dislikes and they watch it for five seconds and leave a negative comment.
YouTube's going to see that as this video does not resonate with the initial sample size and we will not continue to share this video.
So, his video will never get any traction because of that initial abortion of the video, so to speak.
tucker carlson
But you've reached a scale where that's just, that's doesn't work anymore.
Has it hurt your business?
Yes.
tyler oliveira
I think so.
unidentified
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
tyler oliveira
Sponsors won't touch topics like that.
We've had sponsors even ask to pull out sponsorships from videos we filmed three years ago that have nothing to do with these topics.
Uh, we filmed a video in, in a cancer belt in Louisiana about companies like, uh, what's an example?
Some of these pesticide companies that, uh, Man, there's the big one.
unidentified
Monsanto.
tyler oliveira
Monsanto, I think.
Yeah.
Um, in Louisiana, a bunch of people getting cancer, uh, way earlier than they should due to their exposure to these toxic chemicals.
Videos totally unrelated to this Orthodox Jewish topic.
They've asked to get pulled out from those videos.
So I've cut them out of the videos on YouTube, um, retroactively.
Three year old videos, uh, because of, I guess the frustration of what, what this video represents.
Identity Politics and Monsanto 00:12:23
tyler oliveira
I don't know.
There's no clarity beyond, you know, take this out.
We have a legal clause that allows us to.
tucker carlson
You said you grew up during George Floyd.
Obviously, you did your 26.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So that was six years ago.
So you were just busy dropping out of college at that point.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I was actually in Austin when the riots happened and people were throwing Molotov cocktails through some bars downtown.
I was watching the chaos unfold in downtown Austin.
People were blowing up cars.
I was like, what the hell is going on here?
And I was pretty politically illiterate back then.
I would argue I still am now.
And I didn't even fully understand what was happening.
I was like, why is Austin rioting?
What does this have to do with Austin, Texas?
Like, why is everyone shipping out here?
tucker carlson
I still don't know.
tyler oliveira
I was like, wait, why did they get the pass to blow up a car?
And why are the cops watching it happen?
What does Austin have to do with Minneapolis?
Right.
It just didn't make any sense.
Um, and when that happened, this was also during, um, the COVID nonsense, um, the lockdown restrictions, all that fun stuff.
And I was like, screw this.
I'm going back to Modesto.
I was like, I'm out of here.
I broke the lease prematurely and just left.
I was like, I'm not dealing with this.
So, yeah.
tucker carlson
It's just so if you're 26, I mean, your whole adult life has been like Me Too, George Floyd, what else?
It's been one witch hunt after another.
It's just been pure identity politics from the minute you left high school.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
There is no world that I can recall without this identity politics, right?
There is no non tribal politics.
tucker carlson
But you belong to the only group that's not allowed to have a tribe.
So that must be very strange for you.
tyler oliveira
Yes.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I don't know what to make of it.
I think I can't conceive of a world where this was not the case.
And I imagine you grew up in a time where most people look the same for the most part.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
They worshiped the same God.
unidentified
They did.
tyler oliveira
And what?
They wanted what was best for the economy.
Like they wanted national security and a thriving economy.
tucker carlson
And I think because it was overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly white and Christian, the country that I grew up in, the Christian whites really went out of their way to make non Christian whites feel comfortable.
Yeah.
That was a huge emphasis.
You know, there are some people who aren't like us and we need to do whatever we can to de emphasize the differences and to make them feel included.
That whole worldview, I think, is dying.
As the group that did it becomes a minority.
But there was no sense in which, you know, discrimination was acceptable at all.
Even in private, people didn't ever say, damn those Jews or damn those blacks.
Like, I never heard one person talk like that ever.
tyler oliveira
And now that's pretty mainstream.
tucker carlson
Now they're like, oh, people say, oh, I don't believe you.
You're like, I don't care what you think.
I was there.
And nobody ever talked that way, ever, ever.
tyler oliveira
And even as a kid, maybe the earliest I can remember it, maybe in elementary school, like there truly might have been a, A colorblind element to life, right?
And then beyond high school for me, though, everything's been this identity politics.
tucker carlson
How do you think this ends?
tyler oliveira
Balkanization of America for sure, right?
We're already seeing it.
If you can afford to, you'll insulate yourself from like crime ridden inner cities.
tucker carlson
And that's why you're in Bozeman or wherever.
You know, that's why Bozeman all of a sudden tripled in value, right?
tyler oliveira
Absolutely.
If you have the money, you'll leave these areas that are becoming crime ridden shitholes.
And if you don't, you'll be left behind as seemingly these activist judges release the same repeat offenders.
These murderous people who are, I guess, too mentally insane to be institutionalized, but mentally sane enough to be let back on the streets.
tucker carlson
Well, you can see why there are probably whites who are getting a little paranoid.
If you're the only non protected group and every other group thinks is a group except you, we're not allowed to think is a group, and a lot of groups hate you, but there's no one to defend you, then.
I mean, you can see why Elon Musk recently tweeted, We're moving towards South Africa and the whites are screwed.
You can see why.
tyler oliveira
That's a great analogy, right?
Do people feel that way?
I mean, go that way.
tucker carlson
I spent a summer in Jackson in the late 80s.
tyler oliveira
Okay, in the late 80s.
tucker carlson
In a black neighborhood.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And it was great.
And the black people were super nice and there was no crime aimed at me.
I think things have changed.
That's kind of the point I'm making.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, I can't remember that world.
tucker carlson
I was in Jackson, Mississippi in the summer of 1989 in a black neighborhood for like three weeks.
And I went to the.
7 Eleven at night to buy cigarettes and call my girlfriend on the payphone.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And not one person bothered me.
And I was the only paleface in the zip code.
So, like, that did exist.
I was there.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I think you'd be unwise to show up to Detroit or Philadelphia or Jackson, Mississippi.
And what gets rich too, Tucker, is a lot of people make it a red, blue state issue.
unidentified
No.
tyler oliveira
I mean, there are some fucked up cities all across America that deal with the same issues.
tucker carlson
I've known of them.
tyler oliveira
And it's not on the lines of red or blue, Democrat, Republican.
unidentified
No.
tyler oliveira
It exists all over.
So I don't know.
I think if you, the dream, the American dream right now is seemingly to make enough money to insulate yourself from the chaos unfolding in major cities, to get out of the major city, to go buy a nice house in the suburbs, and to be left alone.
That seems to be the modern American dream.
And for a lot of people coming to the US, it seems to be to make as much money as possible, send as much as you can back home, then show up to a mega mansion in Bengaluru, India, after you're done exploiting the United States.
That's what it seems like the dream is for a lot of these people coming here.
So, yeah.
tucker carlson
So that leaves one group totally unprotected.
tyler oliveira
Seemingly white people, right?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
By every measure.
tucker carlson
So I have noticed just in, and I, of course, I don't know what's coming, but I've noticed, uh, concern bordering on paranoia among people I've been talking to.
Pretty moderate, normal, you know, Bush, Romney, McCain, now Trump voters, just Republicans, not, you know, nothing, nothing crazy, not a white supremacist among them at all.
It's like normal whites who are like, I think we're going to get necklaced at some point.
tyler oliveira
I think that group's probably least likely to hold any, uh, in group racial preference, right?
tucker carlson
These are not people who've ever thought of themselves as white at all.
unidentified
Right.
tucker carlson
These are not people who've like, you know, they're not from Alpena, Arkansas.
No, no, no.
These are people from like Long Beach.
That's interesting.
tyler oliveira
They're those least likely to hold any, you know, whites don't stick together in their eyes, right?
tucker carlson
At all.
It's never occurred to them.
tyler oliveira
They've never had the need to.
tucker carlson
Right.
But those people, at least I've just noticed this in the past couple of months, are like, man, we're in trouble.
tyler oliveira
That's interesting.
tucker carlson
Have you heard anyone say that?
tyler oliveira
I only speak to, I feel like, Gen Z, you know, how do they feel?
Gen Z feels hopeless, demoralized, without opportunity.
The college degree is seemingly useless.
The bachelor's degree means nothing.
They have to compete with a globalized labor force.
There is what human quantitative easing at play where we're ensuring infinite jobs to compete against our college graduates.
Yet Trump's out there saying our college graduates are lazy and incompetent and not sufficient.
To fill these jobs despite us holding what the best universities on the planet.
tucker carlson
You guys noticed when he said that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Right.
And that's such a slap in the face of what's the point?
What are we even voting for?
unidentified
Right.
tyler oliveira
Like, that's the question.
Who represents my generation's interests?
Someone will have to.
Otherwise, that energy has to be funneled somewhere.
tucker carlson
So Trump did say something like that.
tyler oliveira
I think something along those exact lines.
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And people in your generation heard it, they caught that.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
tyler oliveira
These are the same people who don't have a job several years out of college, who can't get a job with their degree.
Um, who are competing with, you know, infinite H1B Indians, uh, these guys who have 20 years experience from India who are taking their job and we're using these H1Bs as a wage suppression mechanism.
Like, why are we not paying these H1Bs above market rate if they're such rare, irreplaceable talent, right?
It seems to only be a wage suppression mechanism.
So our generation is getting replaced by seemingly foreigners.
Um, not seemingly actual, literally enclaves of foreigners.
They know the game though.
They understand that politics is zero sum.
They need to elect their own, protect their own interests.
And that's what I think my generation is maybe waking up to.
Um, and maybe something that your generation has had the, um, good fortune of not having to spend as much time as.
tucker carlson
Completely different country.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Completely different.
And I wouldn't be in touch with it if I didn't have so many children and so many employees and, uh, you know, and other reasons.
But in general, yeah, no, I think I'm more aware of it, but still not anywhere near as aware of it as you would be since I'm not having.
tyler oliveira
Like identity politics was like gay and woke for the longest time until.
The white guy in his 20s was forced to confront himself with either we develop some in groups, some in group racial preference, or we're going to go extinct, I think.
tucker carlson
What's just so interesting is that I've noticed that this administration, which I think was elected to end identity politics, is engaged in the most aggressive identity politics, but only on behalf of 2% of the population.
And so every single tweet from every person I know in the administration is like, Harvard's real problem is that it's discriminated against Jews.
Meanwhile, it's like 20% Jewish with a Jewish president, and the one group that is Provably unrepresented is high SAT scoring, high IQ Christian white kids.
And not only are they not ignoring that, but they're making a mockery of it and pointing their finger at that exact same group and accusing them of the sin.
And it is a sin of anti Semitism.
And it's like, are you begging for revolution?
Is it what you want?
It's mocking people who are being destroyed for who they are.
And you know that that's true and you're ignoring it on purpose on behalf of people who are, who, whatever.
unidentified
Anyway.
tyler oliveira
Yeah, there's not a talent deficiency within this.
This ethnic group.
tucker carlson
It's almost too much, though.
It's a kind of humiliation that I don't understand why you would ever do that to somebody.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
So you can't be surprised when there's an epidemic of what incels and hopeless young men who are opting out of the dating market, who are opting out of what eventually you give up, I'm sure, if you apply it to 10,000 jobs and you're algorithmically filtered out of consideration for a job.
tucker carlson
I don't think there's been any attempt to fix any of that.
tyler oliveira
I don't think so at all.
I think the answer we've been given is.
You're not talented enough.
You're lazy.
We don't need you.
Here's an Indian, seemingly.
tucker carlson
And we're going to sue Harvard for discriminating against Jews.
tyler oliveira
And the real problem is not the rapist pedophiles in power, it's Harvard discriminating against Jews.
Give me a break.
Like Pam Bonnie, she tweeted that out.
I was like, come on, Pam.
So I. Lock in, Pam.
Let's focus here, Pam.
tucker carlson
No, I think this is, this isn't, it's not just negligence, it's hate.
It's hate, obviously.
It's hate.
So, but where does that leave?
The group that you're talking about, which voted for Trump, by the way, overwhelmingly.
tyler oliveira
Bag holders.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
So, but what, and then I, you know, Nick Fuentes or Fuentes is only about Fuentes, but at some point, there's going to be someone who is not just about himself, who actually wants to build a political movement that is way more radical than the Republican Party.
And that person is going to be huge among your generation.
Is that a fair?
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
I mean, listen, I don't know the full political belief of, I don't know all the beliefs Fuentes has, for example, but I think he's right about that young men are disaffected.
tucker carlson
I'm not attacking Fuentes.
I'm just saying Fuentes is only about Fuentes or whatever.
I mean, I don't know his opinion.
Ultimately, he talks about his own.
tyler oliveira
He's not avoidable.
tucker carlson
But he makes points that are true.
tyler oliveira
Absolutely.
tucker carlson
A lot of them.
unidentified
For sure.
tucker carlson
And he is being.
tyler oliveira
And points that ring true for a non radical or someone who is.
tucker carlson
They ring true for me.
That's why I interviewed him.
And I don't agree with a lot of it.
I told him I didn't.
But in general, his critique that the whites are shafted.
tyler oliveira
For sure.
tucker carlson
And that this Israel relationship is really sick.
tyler oliveira
And that everyone basically that voted for Trump is seemingly not getting any assets.
Fuentes and Inevitable Truths 00:02:28
tucker carlson
Got it.
I agree with all of that.
So that's all real.
My only point is people look at Fuentes and they're like, oh, you're the scariest thing that could happen.
I know.
tyler oliveira
Absolutely not.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
That's my point.
tyler oliveira
I don't know where it goes, right?
The energy has to go somewhere, right?
This is like Newton's, I don't know, second law, third law.
I only went to high school.
You tell me, Tucker.
The energy must be diverted elsewhere.
And a lot of young men are pissed off.
I think for a lot of young men, though, they will just hibernate and jerk off and decay in their basements and their, their parents' homes.
That is reality.
There will be a eugenics effect.
Um, white men getting litigated or filtered out of participation in society.
There will be an extinction event for sure.
Um, that's inevitable, right?
But some of them might try to do something a bit more bold and revolutionary, maybe.
But how does something like that even come into existence?
Which I knew with the surveillance state and, uh, Can you even?
Is the democracy the means by which my generation uplifts their quality of life?
Is that a possibility?
Because the Republicans clearly don't care.
The Democrats don't care.
Is there a third party alternative?
What does that look like?
I'm not sure.
But the two current options are insufficient.
tucker carlson
You're making me emotional.
unidentified
Really?
tucker carlson
What you're saying is true.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
And I'm like, I mean, I think of myself as a pretty reasonable guy, right?
Like, I was politically illiterate in many ways.
I didn't think about this stuff.
I was making goofy YouTube videos in my early 20s from 18, 19, 20, 21.
It was only until I was about 22 years old.
Till I even realized all this stuff was going on.
I didn't even think really about, you know, the George Floyd stuff that much.
But now it's unavoidable.
People say, why are you making everything so political?
They'll talk to their neighbors or their family members.
Why is everything so political?
And now it's unavoidable.
You have to consider the reality and the consequences of how your everyday life is being affected by these things.
So unfortunately, everyday people have a political opinion on everything right now.
And I think that's a tragedy more than a blessing.
tucker carlson
It's down to win.
unidentified
No.
tucker carlson
It's not a win at all.
Well, I'm subscribing to you.
So thank you.
Yeah.
That was awesome.
tyler oliveira
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I really thank you for spending all this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tyler oliveira
Thanks for having me.
tucker carlson
I appreciate it.
tyler oliveira
For sure.
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