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Dec. 18, 2025 - The Tucker Carlson Show

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Tucker Carlson on the Somali Invasion and the Self-Loathing Ideology Destroying America

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tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you voted in the last election in the hope that identity politics would go away, identity politics being the way of seeing the world through the lens of your particular group, your tribe, your identity, the qualities you were born with and the group into which you were born.
		If you thought that was a bad thing and you thought it would go away after 2024, well, surprise, surprise, it hasn't gone away.
		In fact, it's accelerated.
		And a lot of the conversation we have about it breaks along the lines of, well, you know, I'm defending my group.
		I'm mad at your group.
		Let's have a debate about whether my group is good or bad.
		You shut up because you're criticizing my group.
		Okay.
		But if you think about it for a second, the debate itself is a sign of, well, impending collapse.
		Because no country, especially one that's the size of a continent that has hundreds of millions of people in it, can stick together unless there is a shared identity, a supra-identity, identity that looms over all other identities that holds it together.
		It's not the force of law that holds countries together.
		It's the force of custom, the force of language, and the force of shared belief.
		What is it to be an American?
		It's not just a dopey academic question.
		It really is the question that without an answer will lead to the breakup of the United States and possibly sooner than any of us expected.
		And there's no answer for that question right now.
		And so the question, the meta-question is why?
		Why can't we decide on something as basic as what it is to be American?
		How did we get here?
		How did we get to a place where people are starting to see themselves in terms that have no reference point at all in a national identity?
		And you know over time where that's going.
		How did we get here?
		That's what's worth assessing.
		Now, one way into that conversation is the current debate over the Somali community, people from Somalia living in the United States.
		And the reason it's interesting to start there is because there aren't that many of them.
		They tell us there are about 260,000 in the country.
		Of course, it could be 10 times that because we don't really know who lives here.
		And millions upon millions of immigrants have fake identity documents.
		Flash one of those at the airport, Mr. American Citizen, and you'll go right to jail as a terrorist.
		But illegal aliens, of course, get to fake all the birth certificates and social security cards and other IDs they want, and they've been somehow indemnified, which again is part of the problem.
		But anyway, there are about, we think, 260,000 Somalis in the United States.
		And famously, they are two things.
		Not very successful.
		The majority, the overwhelming majority, in fact, almost all of them are on assistance of some kind, welfare of some kind.
		And poor.
		Over 50% of all Somali kids are in poverty.
		That compares to about 8% of native-born Americans.
		So this is one of the poorest groups in the United States.
		They're also one of the newest arrival groups.
		They were about maybe two, this is just a guess, but there were about 2,000 Somalis in the country in 1990 during the first Bush administration, none.
		You never met a Somali.
		You never knew anyone who had.
		You had no opinions on Somalis because where's Somalia?
		Africa somewhere?
		Answer, yes.
		But all of a sudden, in the subsequent 35 years, there are hundreds of thousands of Somalis, and they are, and this leads to the second thing we know about Somalis, they are clustered together.
		They have not assimilated, as we say.
		Of Somalis who've lived here at least 10 years, most still can't speak fluent English because they don't need to because they live around other Somalis and they don't have to learn it or learn critically what ties this country together beyond clan or tribe.
		So they're clannish and they're poor.
		And they are also beloved by democratic politicians.
		So those are the three things we know about Somalis.
		And recently we learned that in both Minnesota and the state of Maine, which is the two states in this country where they are concentrated, outside Minneapolis and within Minneapolis and in Maine and Lewiston and Portland, they have committed apparently, and by they, we mean literally they, as a group speaking their language, communicating only with each other, massive multi-billion dollar Medicaid fraud, Medicare fraud.
		So we know that, and that scandal is just broken, and the president has weighed in on it.
		He's against it.
		We shouldn't have any Somalis, he says.
		Democrats, of course, have pivoted back against Trump 180 degrees.
		No, Somalis, what made this country great?
		They built this country.
		We wouldn't have a country without Somalis.
		They built Minneapolis, ladies and gentlemen.
		We used to have a Somali on the $1 bill or the digital version.
		The programmable digital currency we're about to give you should be Somali related.
		And of course, all the politicians are singing the Somali national anthem and waving Somali flags.
		And all of a sudden, being Somali is like the essence of what it is to be an American.
	But neither one of them is really kind of explaining what this is.
	First of all, how did all these Somalis get here?
	And two, how did it go so very, very wrong?
	Is there something unique to Somali culture that has produced these disastrous results, probably the worst of any immigrant group in the United States?
	And there are hundreds and hundreds of different immigrant groups.
	Somali's right at the bottom.
	Maybe not the bottom.
	Maybe there's a less successful group, but they're definitely down there in the bottom 5%.
	Why?
	Well, the argument that some are making is just Somalia is just a crappy country with a lot of dumb people, average IQ, 80, and there will never be a successful Somali in the United States, and their religion is bad, and there's just something inherently bad about Somalis.
	And others are arguing actually that they're model citizens.
	But it's possible that decisions made in this country exacerbated what might have already been a problem.
	And the first is how they got here.
	So how do we get immigrants in the country?
	Well, traditionally, if you're an American, you assume that people come into this country.
	They're allowed into this country to fill a labor void.
	We need, I don't know, stonemasons.
	Hey, there's a lot of skilled masons in Italy.
	Let's import them.
	And that's a lot of our southern Italians to this day have ancestors from below Rome whose skill was stonemasonry.
	So they came here and they built National Cathedral in Washington and a lot of other New York Public Library and a lot of other things.
	That was the model for immigration for over 100 years.
	We need this.
	Let's find people who can do it.
	We don't have the right people.
	Let's bring them in.
	That's the idea behind H-1B, which of course is not actually working as intended.
	But the Somalis we're talking about had nothing to do with that.
	There was not one economist in the United States who looked at the numbers, took off his glass and said, you know, we need some Somalis and we need them fast.
	No one ever said that because it's never been true and likely never will be true.
	The Somalis who live in the United States came here as refugees, refugees.
	So the assumption is if there's a problem in the world, the United States has a moral obligation.
	No one ever clarifies where this obligation comes from, but it's pre-existing.
	It's just in the Constitution somewhere, to bring that person and all of his relatives to the United States and pay for everything because that's who we are.
	So that's the idea.
	People dispute it.
	But it becomes mandatory the second the United States government intervenes into someone else's conflict.
	So the principle is called invade the world, import the world.
	At the tail end of every American intervention around the world, we import, with the help of the State Department, all kinds of NGOs, Catholic charities, and HIAS and all these different groups.
	We import, quote, refugees from the country in whose internal affairs we are tampering and whose citizens we have killed, sometimes in large numbers.
	And so we bring them over, the Monsignards, the Afghan translators.
	So the Somalis got here because there was a Somali civil war in the early 1990s.
	The United States intervened in a limited way and for doing that got punished and a number of Americans died.
	It was famously publicized in a book and then a movie called Blackhawk Down.
	You may remember that, in which Somalia, Mogadishu, its capital, was described as like the most barbaric place ever in the world.
	And so it was out of that that arose our obligation to bring in hundreds of thousands of Somalis.
	So again, it's not an accident.
	When the United States intervenes or backs an intervention somewhere in the world, you can be certain the people from that country will be living in your zip code within 10 years.
	And that's exactly what happened.
	Somalia is not a huge country.
	So we only have hundreds of thousands.
	In other cases, we've got millions.
	And by the way, some have done fine and some have done great.
	The Vietnamese did well.
	The Catholic Vietnamese did well.
	But whatever, that's how they got here because of our foreign policy.
	So that's the first thing to know.
	The second thing to know is when they got here, and it's not just the Somalis, it's every group that's imported as a refugee, they were given way more free stuff than any American citizen receives, period.
	And that would include housing vouchers and food stamps and supplemental income, of course, free education, free use of the emergency room.
	By the way, if you are wondering how our healthcare system is doing, all the emphasis on health insurance, go to the emergency room sometime over Christmas and see what you see.
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	Someone who works here had a grandmother who wound up two nights ago in the emergency with a broken hip, and she spent two days in the hallway on a stretcher.
	They finally just gave her opioids to keep her from writhing because there was no room because it was so packed with refugees and other migrants, migrants, economic migrants.
	So basically our healthcare system, our healthcare system, our hospitals, the place where you go when you're sick, totally destroyed by this last wave of immigration.
	But if you're coming from Mogadishu, this is a massive upgrade.
	You may wait two days on a stretcher in the hallway, but at least you're getting medicine.
	So they come here.
	And the assumption is that they will somehow benefit the United States and be grateful for their time here.
	But it turns out, and this is a very obvious point, but it needs to be restated, that will only happen if they are required by their host country, which is us, to start establishing some loyalty and gratitude to the country.
	Thank you, America.
	I'm so glad to be here.
	This is my new home.
	I am now loyal to the United States.
	And this is considered totally unacceptable, toxic, as they say.
	In fact, maybe a manifestation of white supremacy because, and this is the critical point to know, the United States has lost the self-confidence necessary to import and assimilate people.
	Our leadership class no longer believes in the United States sufficiently to convince newcomers to believe in the United States.
	That is the bottom line truth.
	That's why immigration no longer works.
	It's not because the immigrants are bad.
	Some are better than others, for sure.
	Of course.
	People don't have the same aptitude.
	Sorry.
	And that is visible across populations.
	Sorry.
	But the core problem is our leadership in the United States, which no longer says, and not just at the federal level, but up and down at the states at the leadership of NGOs who are facilitating this, to say, okay, you're here.
	Here are the rules.
	Here's the culture.
	Here's the language.
	If you're going to take from us and live in our neighborhoods and use our community hospitals and force the rest of us to put our grandparents on gurneys in the hallway for two days, you have to buy into our system.
	And nobody can say that.
	So what is the result?
	So play a couple clips from Ilhan Omar, who is famous as one of the most, you know, one of the dumbest, of course, members of Congress.
	She has foreign policy views that are deeply offensive to the neocons, which is why she's famous, but she's got a lot of views that are deeply offensive to normal people.
	She hates whites, and she just says that.
	You move to a white country and immediately start attacking white people.
	How does that work exactly?
	I don't know, but we tolerate it.
	We celebrate it.
	And of course, she's not even here legally.
	She got here on visa fraud because she married her brother.
	It's kind of been proven.
	So she's an illegal alien somehow serving in the United States Congress.
	How'd she get elected?
	Well, because there was critical mass of her fellow Somalis in her congressional district, so she got elected.
	So it's like worst case scenario all the way around.
	A dumb, bigoted person with anti-American views serves in the United States Congress, but that's not the worst of it.
	The worst of it is as she serves the United States Congress, as she serves the American people, she's actually serving her real people, which are the Somali people, and she says so out loud.
	Here's the first of two clips from Ilhan Omar pledging allegiance not to the United States, but to Somalia.
	Not the prettiest language, not like hearing Balzac read in the original, but whatever.
	You can see the translation on the screen, and in case you couldn't, she repeatedly referred to our president.
	Now, that was 2002.
	The president was Joe Biden.
	She was referring to Joe Biden.
	She was talking about the president of Somalia, our president, our leader, our guy who runs our country, which is not the United States.
	And that was over three years ago.
	So Elon Omar has taken a ton of crap since, most of it deserved, but most of it has been aimed at her foreign policy views.
	You're saying crappy things about the Israeli government or whatever.
	How many of you have noted that Elon Omar is openly disloyal to the nation, our nation, that our ancestors built in the United States Congress?
unidentified		Ooh.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Plus, she's an illegal alien.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And if you think that's unfair, here's Elon Omar in 2015, before she got into Congress, making exactly the same point.
unidentified		In 2016, it's election cycle.
unidentified		And you guys have the ability to make an impact on where our nation is headed, not only here in the United States, but even in our nation back home.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Our nation back home.
		Who is we exactly?
		This is someone who seeks to lead Americans in our legislative body, our Congress, and our country refers to someone else's country that most of our actual countrymen cannot even locate on a map.
		And she's not embarrassed to say it.
		Look, politicians say idiotic things all the time.
		Of course, they also have extremely idiotic ideas all the time, some very dark ideas sometimes.
		But the difference is there's pushback.
		No, you can't say that.
		You can't say that.
		That's totally out of bounds.
		That's not how we do things here.
		We don't have a tribal system.
		We don't want one.
		Yes, obviously we're getting one.
		But we're going to push back against it as long as we can because we want the country to hang together because we like it and our ancestors built it.
		So you cannot refer to a foreign country as my country.
		And no, you can't serve in that country's military.
		You can't have dual citizenship with that country.
		Probably shouldn't speak their language in public.
		And no, we're not putting your language on our ballots.
		This is the United States.
		You moved here because it was an Anglo country.
		All these institutions were built on the Anglo model.
		And if you hate that, don't live here.
		That's totally fair.
		It's the opposite of bigoted.
		The United States is based on a universalist principle.
		It is famously a country built on ideas.
		Now, whether that works or not is an open question.
		It's not working right now.
		The countries that are working are ethno-states, actually.
		China is an ethnostate.
		It's Han Chinese.
		It's a Han Chinese state.
		Japan is a Japanese country.
		Well, we don't have that, okay?
		And we're never going to have it at this point.
		So whether or not it was a good idea to build our national identity on a creed, whether it's a good idea to be a creedal country or not, it is.
		And there's no obvious solution to it at this point.
		And so if we're going to continue this experiment and whether that works, you have to demand that everybody's all in on something that unites every person in the country.
		And it can't just be gay marriage.
		That's not enough.
		It's not enough to say we're a pro-LGDBQ plus, and then of course not define it.
		But your openness to other people's weird sex lives is not a unifying national principle.
		Sorry, that's weak sauce.
		We can't have a religion because it's religiously diverse and the Constitution prohibits it.
		At this point, we can't have a race, okay, because there are just so many different races.
		Maybe that would have worked, but at this point, it's not going to work.
		And the only way to get there is through violence and no.
		So realistically, not on Twitter, but like in real life, what do we do?
		And that's in force with efficiency and assertiveness, aggression, even, the idea that you can't have crap like that.
		You can't have our leaders talking about their tribes in public.
		Doesn't mean you can't identify with your tribe or live near people who speak your language in private or be proud of the fact that your ancestors are from Somalia.
		That's all fine.
		It's great.
		Keep your culture.
		But when you're leading this country, if you're in a position of leadership, you have to appeal to something that is universal, something that unites all of us.
		You can't just demand that people be nice to my tribe, attack his tribe, but be nice to my tribe.
		No, it doesn't work.
		And that will, once again, for the fifth time, that will get to violence.
		But we're just allowing this openly across the country.
		It's not just in Minnesota with Elon Omar.
		Here's a state representative from the state of Maine.
		This is the former mayor, briefly the mayor of South Portland, who's obviously not from Maine.
	She's from Somalia.
	And of course, she has exactly the same attitudes.
	Watch her.
deqa dhalac ▲ ● ▼		How can the politics in Somalia can be, you know, resonate what we have here in the United States, the democracy that we have?
		How can you help us, you know, be a better country and build back what we used to have back in a long time ago?
		So hopefully we will be able to help our country, our former country, Somalia.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How can you help us to build back better what we used to be a long time ago?
		Well, that, of course, was basically Donald Trump's campaign slogan.
		But she's not a Trump voter because she's not talking about the United States.
		She's not talking about rebuilding the U.S., making our country better.
		She's saying, how can you, as Americans, send more money to my country, which is not the United States, despite the fact I serve in the freaking state legislature in Augusta, has nothing to do with your country.
		How can you help me?
		But enough about you.
		What about me?
		That's what she's saying.
		And no one says, shut up, honey.
		Get out.
		That's not acceptable to stand up as a state legislator and demand that the country that gave you safe harbor and free stuff and raised your three kids here for free, that that country pay your former country because why?
		That is totally not acceptable.
		And yet not only is it allowed, it's encouraged.
		So take a look at a real part of the problem.
		And of course, Elon Omar does not deserve a pass and she's not, you know, innocent here.
		On the other hand, Elon Omar isn't from here and she somehow went from a refugee camp, I think in Kenya, to the United States.
		And in a couple of years, she's talking like a white liberal.
		Well, how did that happen?
		That's not a feature of traditional Somali culture.
		She got that from white liberals here.
		They taught her to think this way.
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		Well, one of the people who did is a guy called Jacob Fry.
		Now, he's the mayor of Minneapolis.
		And Jacob Fry is the perfect guy for the job because he's not from Minneapolis.
		He's not from Minnesota at all.
		He's from suburban Arlington, Virginia.
		He didn't move to Minnesota until he was an adult until he got a job at some law firm in Minneapolis practicing discrimination law.
		Okay, kind of tells the whole story there.
		And within two years, he's running for office in a state he's not from and has never lived in before, knows nothing about.
		Speaking of annoying immigrants, and somehow, mostly because the people who are actually born in Minneapolis understand its actual concerns, are too busy and too disengaged or whatever, not as well-connected and aggressive as Jacob Fry was, Jacob Fry becomes the mayor ultimately of Minneapolis, which is one of the bigger and used to be one of the prettier cities in the United States.
		He's got nothing to do with Minneapolis.
		He just showed up and he immediately sets about making Minneapolis like a truly modern city.
		And by modern, we mean not gleaming glass towers or functioning air conditioning.
		No, we mean homelessness, open drug use, and Somalis, because you can't really be a modern American city, according to neoliberals, unless you have like a lot of open human degradation and suffering.
		And that means you've arrived.
		And then you can, you know, genuflect before the overdosing addicts on your sidewalks and say, we care so much.
		You can start the whole performance where everything's about what a good person you are.
		So Jacob Fry has announced, and somehow didn't get arrested for saying this, that they're just going to ignore federal immigration law in Minneapolis because Somalis have done such a great job there.
		Here's Jacob Fry, the mayor.
jacob frey ▲ ● ▼		There are as many as 100 federal agents that will be deployed to the Twin Cities with a specific focus on targeting our Somali community.
		To our Somali community, we love you and we stand with you.
		That commitment is rock solid.
		Minneapolis is proud to be home to the largest Somali community in the entire country.
		They've been here for decades, in many instances.
		They're entrepreneurs and fathers.
		They benefit both the culture and the economic resilience of our city.
		We will not compromise our values here in Minneapolis.
		Our values and our commitment to the Somali community, to every community of immigrants and people in our city, is rock solid and will be unwavering.
		Our police, many of whom are Somali themselves, are trusted partners in keeping people safe.
		They will not collaborate with any federal agency around doing immigration enforcement work to our Somali community.
		Daman Shabka, Somali Aid, Kunul, Minnesota, Garahan, Minneapolis, Waan Kuji Janilahai, Waan Ku Gereb Taganahan.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		America's own Justin Trudeau.
		You know, at some point, probably pretty soon, because our system is changing so fast, guys like that and their female counterparts are even more numerous, sort of groveling before whatever immigrant group it is, speaking their language in the most kind of obsequious way.
		People like that will be considered a joke.
		And as we look out on the ruins of formerly great cities, we'll ask, like, how did anyone ever elect someone like that?
		Because clearly the goal here is not and never has been to elevate the people who are born there or who have lived there a long time, who actually built the city, who are actually working hard, who aren't, you know, 90% on welfare, like the actual producers, and just the normal people who pay their taxes and go to work.
		It's not to help them.
		Minneapolis has not gotten better in the last 10 years.
		Hasn't gotten better under Jacob Fry.
		It's gotten much worse.
		Go there and you'll see a city built by Swedes, tidy, kind of boring, sort of sterile, not very warm like the Swedes themselves, but functional, for sure, polite, absolutely, famously so.
		Is it that now?
		No.
		It's dirty and dangerous, and you know exactly the direction it's heading, and so does Jacob Fry, but he doesn't care because the point is to give speeches like that, the point of which is, I'm a good person.
		I'm a really, really good person.
		Look all the suffering around me.
		I care, unlike you, white people.
		And that kind of gets to what this really is, which is an act in racial hostility.
		That's what this really is.
		This is what you do when you hate the people who already live there.
		And of course, the Democratic Party has spent the last 30 years saying, we don't like white men.
		Just period.
		We're not lying about it.
		We're for the end of whiteness.
		We can't wait till this country is less white.
		Imagine saying that about any other group.
		We can't, we, we're the end of Jewishness.
		We can't wait until there are no Jews here.
		No one would defend.
		I certainly wouldn't have.
unidentified		That's horrible.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's genocidal, actually.
		And that's exactly the language Fry and people like Fry have used for 30 years.
		So this is part of that.
		Of course.
		And by the way, I guess I'm liberal enough to assume there are probably Somalis you would like to live next to who are great people and are entrepreneurial.
		It shouldn't discount anybody based on how they were born, period, ever, which is why Jacob Fry's bigotry is immoral.
		On the other hand, as a community, not a net benefit, not even close to a net benefit, as you're about to hear from two reporters, one in Maine and one in Somalia.
		But that doesn't matter to Jacob Fry.
		The point is political power and the ability to boast about what a good person he is, signifying, of course, that deep down he knows the opposite is true.
		And it would be really interesting to get forensic about Jacob Fry's personal life.
		And I bet you'd find exactly what you expect to find, which is a trail of sadness and broken relationships and betrayal and all kinds of other ugly things.
		Just guessing.
		So, but he's all in on this.
		I'm a member of the Somali community, grew up in Mogadishu, you could probably tell.
		Not Arlington, Virginia, never, no, no, didn't go to William and Mary, went to Mogadishu U.
		And so once you embrace, adopt a new culture, that means you have to eat its food.
		And so Jacob Fry, in other words, talked himself into a box.
		He had to eat Somali food.
		And the problem for Jacob Fry was that took place on camera.
		And now you get to see what it was like for Jacob Fry to eat Somali food.
		Watch.
		There's an awful lot of chewing there.
		Vanishingly a little swallowing, you may have noticed.
unidentified		It's really good.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		As he shovels a mouthful of gelatinous brown material, probably undercooked goat or something like that, kind of having a little trouble getting through the gristle and sinew in the goat.
		He looked like he was dying there.
		And you would almost feel sympathetic, except Jacob Fry deserves every bit of that.
		Because like all of these people who import masses of suffering humanity in the United States for their own moral aggrandizement and their own political power, they care not at all about the actual culture.
		They know nothing about it at all, and they don't care to learn.
		It's merely a performance.
		And there is a specific kind of white liberal who traffics in this for a living.
		And there's something almost uniquely repulsive about them.
		And again, it's not to give the Somalis a pass, but the Somalis aren't here by accident.
		And the Somalis don't have these attitudes by accident.
		If you imported 260,000 Somalis and said, okay, here are the rules.
		This is how we behave in the United States.
		No, we're not doing that here.
		And if you don't like it, go back to Mogadishu or your refugee camp in Kenya.
		If we had some self-respect, if our leaders actually cared about the country, if they liked the culture they represent, which is a pre-existing culture, it's been going for 250 years, then you can imagine that a lot of the Somalis, like every other immigrant group in the early 20th century, would probably be pretty what we used to call assimilated now.
		But instead, the point is to bring the poorest, least educated people in the world to the United States, immediately put them on welfare generationally, destroy the cities you park them in for free, low-income housing, making a lot of landlords rich, driving out the people who live there who actually deserved our help, like the unemployed factory workers throughout the state of Maine who were displaced by the Somalis, the cab drivers who were displaced by the Somalis because the Somalis got their jobs through the government.
		That's not the point.
		The point is to punish the people who already live there and to worship at the altar of third world purity.
		Now, there are a lot of ways to express this, but this picture, we're going to put up a big picture and then we're going to zero in on it.
		This is a bunch of Democratic Party poobahs in the state of Maine recently listening to a Somali Democratic activist talk.
		Now, if you look third from the left, there is a woman in purple.
		And that woman is the, and just linger on that picture for a second.
		That woman is the Secretary of State of Maine.
		And her name is Shanna Bellows.
		And look at the expression on her face.
		Is that the most perfect thing you have ever seen?
		It's almost, it's almost unbelievable.
		She is sitting there worshiping.
		Oh, there's a black person.
		She doesn't actually know any, of course.
		By the way, she's not from Maine either.
		But she is just awestruck.
		She's like the rich lady in your neighborhood who went to Kenya at 40 and just had a, on a safari and just had a life-changing experience.
		They're so pure.
		They're so decent.
		She knows nothing.
		All she knows is there's a non-white person.
		And I was told my whole life that that person, like Rosa Parks, is better than I am.
		Oh, she clasps her hands.
unidentified		Oh, you're so great.
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		The clitorectomy, for example, where are you on that?
		You for that?
		She'd be like, what?
		Shut up.
		Shut up.
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		Anyway, that's the state of Maine.
		We want to go to a reporter from the state of Maine who I think is queued up now, Steve Robinson, to explain how exactly this experiment that has made Chenna Bellows feel so virtuous, really in awe to be in the presence of an actual Somali from the dark continent, sorry, Africa, Africa, which I'm sure she believes is a country.
		How is this actually gone?
		Steve Robinson is the editor of the Maine Wire, probably the only reporter left in Maine and who has done just remarkable work on this story.
		Steve, how is it working in the state of Maine with Somali immigrants?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the city of Lewiston, where they're concentrated, continues to set records for shootings in the streets as well as overdoses compared to Bangor, which is a similarly situated town.
		It's not growing as fast.
		There's more people on disability, more people on welfare.
		The economy is really laggard.
		But if you ask Representative Decca DeLocke, she says that Lewiston is a booming city.
		And I couldn't help but note with a sense of irony that she made that comment shortly after one of the 200th shooting of the year in Lewiston.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But fortunately, may I ask you to stop for a second?
		You grew up in Maine.
		I don't remember a lot of shootings in Lewiston when it was French, Canadian.
		Were there?
		Is it always had a lot of shootings?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		No, it hasn't.
		The city has changed quite a bit.
		And to be fair, it was in a period of population decline in the 90s, mostly because of the mills closing.
		But you can't help but notice a difference in character between the immigrants who built the canals and built the cathedrals and built the mill buildings with the last 25 years of Somali migrant resettlement in Lewiston.
		So I think everybody in the state of Maine recognizes that Lewiston has fallen on hard times.
		Everybody there is suffering.
		The migrant resettlement hasn't been some silver bullet for the economic woes like the Democrats have claimed, like Secretary of State Shetta Bellows would claim.
		And I have to observe that while she's there smiling and gawking at Sophia Khalid, the head of the Community Organizing Alliance, she was a former employee of Gateway Community Services, which is the organization that's been making headlines because of the allegations of Medicaid fraud against them.
		So following the allegations of Medicaid fraud against Gateway Community Services, all of these Democrats decided to share a stage with the former special assistant to the CEO of Gateway Community Services.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So this is what we've heard a lot about in the state of Minnesota to the tune of billions and billions stolen through this Somali scam of federal health insurance.
		So little attention has been paid to the state of Maine, which I think on a per capita basis has been even more affected by Somali immigration.
		And the fraud there has been enormous.
		So, and it hasn't gotten any attention.
		So, can you just give us an overview of what's happened in Maine with fraud?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		So, I think the top line is that so much of Maine's Medicaid rules have been rewritten by Democratic lawmakers with a view towards transferring wealth from working-class white Mainers to migrant communities that much of what has happened over the last 20 years is actually legal.
		You know, it's not really fair to call it fraud.
		They've engineered these programs so that they transfer money specifically to companies like Gateway Community Services.
		We've created this soft services area of migrant services or personal support services.
		And what these really are is just a pipeline of money from taxpayers into these NGOs, organizations, by the way, that also have political activities, political organizations housed in the same exact buildings in Lewiston as organizations that are getting signing people up for welfare.
		So, fraud maybe isn't exactly the right word because we don't have very many cases of that in the last five years because nothing's been caught, nothing's been prosecuted, and the rules are written so broadly that they can, for example,
		one clan could come into Lewiston, they could start an LLC, let's call it ACME LLC, and they could hire all of their cousins and their aunts and their uncles and then get their aunts and uncles and cousins enrolled into Maine care and then bill to their own company to care for their aunts, uncles, and cousins while employing their aunts, uncles, and cousins.
		That would be totally legal as long as they can manufacture the paper trail to not get caught in an audit.
		It'd be totally legal to do that here in the state of Maine.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So why would lawmakers in Maine and Augusta, the legislature, why would they design a system that made it easy, almost inevitable this, the fraud, the theft of billions of people?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		So I think for the Somali diaspora, it's clearly a way to become wealthy.
		You said in your monologue, Tucker, that they haven't been successful.
		I mean, I would disagree.
		By the tribal standards of Jubiland or Puntland, they've been very successful.
		The amount of money, I mean, they're driving around in Mercedes and Dodge Chargers, and they've been very successful at playing the game according to the rules of their culture.
		According to ours, not so much.
		But for Democratic lawmakers, this is about electoral power.
		In reviewing some of the contracts that the Mills administration handed to Gateway Community Services, which is a very politically connected firm in addition to facing allegations of Medicaid fraud, in the contracts that they got in the run-up to the 2022 election, they were given money, along with a bunch of other migrant NGOs, to go out and sign up migrants for food stamps, for their EBT cards, for Medicaid,
		and even they were even given money to provide groceries and household supplies to migrant households, basically walking around money.
		It was right there in the contract, the no-bid contract that the Mills administration gave to Gateway.
		They were also allowed to keep data on the people that they were delivering these groceries to and signing up for welfare benefits.
		Now, under federal law, if you sign someone up for Medicaid or food stamps, you're required to provide assistance registering to vote.
		So what does that look like to you, Tucker?
		You're given walking around money to migrants.
		You're helping them register to vote and you're keeping track of them.
		That looks like a political arm of the Democratic Party.
		So why wouldn't the Democrats support that?
		And it's no coincidence that in the subsequent election in 2022, you know, French Catholic-born, French-speaking Paul LePage lost Lewiston for the first time in his political career.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because the demographics of Lewiston had been changed on purpose so that he and people like him would lose and the fruits of their labor would be stolen by some group acting only on its own behalf.
		Right?
		I mean, let's just be clear, the Somalis who are engaged in this fraud, and I think it is fraud, are acting only on behalf of their tribe.
		That's it.
		There are no other beneficiaries.
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly in the case of Gateway Community Services, which is the most high-profile group, the allegation is fraud.
		If what Chris Bernardini, the former employee who was there for five and a half years and handling their Maincare billing, if his allegations are true, and I find no reason to believe that they're not, he made the allegations to me back in March, and Gateway hasn't sued, hasn't said anything, has barely even denied the allegations.
		If those allegations are true, then they were engaged in systematic fraud.
		What Bernardini said is that supervisors at the company were just logging into their computers and inventing Medicaid claims from thin air, sending them to the state, and the state was paying them over a period of five and a half years.
		And during this time, the assistant executive director at Gateway Community Services was Representative Decca DeLocke from South Portland, by way of Minnesota, by way of Kenya, by way of Somalia.
		The head of it is seen in pictures with Janet Mills of Dallahia Lee.
		Representative Yusuf Youssef from Portland.
		He's also a state lawmaker and a former Gateway Community Services employee.
		Eklas Ahmed from Sudan is a former Gateway Community Services employee.
		She's now the only employee in Governor Mills' new Office of New Americans.
		So this is a thoroughly political organization that is best understood not as a one-off example of Medicaid fraud, but as an arm of the Democratic Party.
		This is functioning exactly as it's supposed to, and they have every incentive to look the other way when there are allegations of fraud, when there's audits that show that they're billing for services that they can't prove they provided, which is what the audits have shown of Gateway.
		Under Maine law, all that's required to turn off the flow of taxpayer money to Gateway Community Services is a credible allegation.
		You don't need a finding of criminal wrongdoing.
		You don't need a failed audit.
		All you need is a credible allegation, and the Mills administration could shut off the flow of money to this organization.
		They haven't done that, not after the two failed audits, and not after the credible allegation by a former employee.
		They continue to allow this company to bill Maine care right out of the pockets of Maine taxpayers.
		And even, Tucker, after we showed that Abdullahi Ali was in Jubiland, Somalia, a place I never thought that I would have to learn about, running for warlord, running to depose the sitting president of Jubiland, the attorney general of the state of Maine, Aaron Fry, gave them $400,000 from the opioid settlement money.
		So they know what they're dealing with, and they continue the flow of money into these organizations because they know that it's going to be politically useful for them because these organizations deliver the migrant vote.
		And by the way, Shenabellos has admitted on a podcast with Mark Elias that non-citizens are registered to vote in Maine.
		It's not a coincidence.
		They're getting to the point now where they just admit it and they're saying it's a good thing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's illegal, correct?
		I mean, they surely can't do federal elections, right?
		So why isn't the National Guard in Maine?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		That's an excellent question.
		You know, Maine has lost the ability to self-correct, Tucker.
		You know, we've been living under Democratic Uniparty with the Mills administration for seven years now.
		The corruption has become endemic, and the Somali diaspora is really just a part of the Mills mafia that's been ruling over the state for seven years now.
		I think you're going to need outside help in order to correct this.
		That's why I'm very excited that the House Oversight Committee is investigating the abuse of the Medicaid program here in Maine.
		And we actually caught the commissioner of the Department of Health and Human Services who oversees Maine Care responding to one of her coworkers saying, the goal here is to avoid a subpoena from Congress.
		And that was in response to an inquiry by the House Oversight Committee.
		So they are scared.
		They're terrified of what the House Oversight Committee might find when it starts flipping over rocks up here in Maine.
		And even earlier, 10 days before President Trump was inaugurated, Attorney General Fry sent around a directive to Health and Human Services employees saying, if you get contacted by the U.S. Attorney's Office or an attorney from the Department of Justice, don't talk to them.
		You've got to come talk to us.
		Come talk to us first.
		That doesn't sound like somebody with a clean conscience.
		Both of them sound like they have something to hide.
		And what I suspect they are hiding is the fact that they've been pushing non-citizen Medicaid benefits onto the federal government, which is illegal.
		That they know they've been using the Medicaid program to fund voter outreach programs in migrant communities.
		It's all about political power.
		And they're using the working class people of Maine, people from Dexter, people from Milo.
		They're using their money to fund this program.
		And in the meantime, these Somali community leaders, so-called, are growing fabulously wealthy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Has the Justice Department done anything about this?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		Not to my knowledge, no.
		I'm not aware of any indictments or investigations into Somali welfare fraud or, by the way, the activities of the Mills administration.
		I mean, they very clearly took federal COVID money and gave it to no bid through no bid contracts to a hodgepodge of progressive groups like Gateway Community Services.
		And in the contract, it said, go out, sign these people up for welfare, buy them groceries.
		And oh, by the way, you can keep data on them.
		And if you're following federal law, you've got to help them register to vote.
		It's all laid out in the paperwork.
		It wasn't particularly hard to find.
		You just had to be looking for it.
		But I'm not aware of any effort by the Justice Department to look into specifically what Gateway Community Service is doing.
		And they're not the only one either, Tucker.
		There's the Maine Immigrant and Refugee Settlement Services.
		It's another nonprofit based in Lewiston.
		And if you put out a Google map of the shootings in Lewiston, right at the middle of it, that's where you'll find this organization.
		They run a tax services program to help the Somalis obtain benefits.
		They run a driving school to help the migrants obtain driving licenses.
		And they also are just an all, you know, like a multi-talented recipient of state dollars.
		They can do alcohol counseling.
		They can do opioid counseling.
		They can do migrant services.
		They're a Maine care provider.
		They were found in an audit to have overbilled Maine Care by $2.4 million.
		And still, they're allowed to continue to build Maine Care.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		People still, I mean, Maine has one of the highest tax structures, tax rates in the country.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why are people paying their taxes exactly in Maine?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, increasingly, they aren't.
		They're doing the six months in a day so that they don't have to actually have a tax nexus in the state of Maine.
		It's, you know, it's terrible, but that's just how reasonable, smart, economically thinking people are going to modify their behavior around this state.
		The reason why people continue to pay taxes in this state is because they're trapped.
		You know, it takes a critical mass of savings to be able to flee this state.
		So you can't.
		And I've heard from people who say that they're just trying to save up enough money so that they can get out of this state.
		And it's funny if you go back to the beginning of this year when the legislature came into session, there was a $118 million structural shortfall is what they called it.
		It means they, you know, they didn't take, they think that we need to supply $118 million more to the government rather than having them cut spending.
		And it was all Medicaid.
		All of it was Medicaid.
		And so they had to raise taxes on cigarettes, cannabis, Netflix, hospital services.
		They even increased the fee to become a licensed arborist in Maine because they were so desperate to find ways to raise money to pay for this Medicaid deficit.
		It never occurred to them that maybe we should just stop allowing migrant services and personal support services to be billed under Maine Care because it's a huge bucket of services that's thoroughly abused by these people.
		But the technocratic, neoliberal, progressive mind just can't consider that maybe their views of social and health policy are incompatible with their views on multiculturalism.
		They just can't empathize with a people who would come to, say, Lewiston and fight for their Klan and systematically scam these programs that are meant to help poor people.
		It really breaks their brains to consider that maybe multiculturalism and their progressive economic policies are incompatible.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I detect a lot of hostility toward whites from Somalis.
		Maybe I'm making up my mind.
		I don't think I am.
		I find it totally unacceptable to come to a majority white country built by white people and then hate whites.
		Like, I don't know where that attitude came from.
		I'm sure Shenna Bellows had something to do with it.
		But I detect that.
		And I also detect no attempt at assimilation at all.
		Am I on the right track, do you think?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		I think you are.
		And I think it may have something to do with the progressivism that they've been, I guess, inculcated with.
		The sole employee of the Office of New Americans, Aklas Ahmed, again, former Gateway Community Services employee.
		She's actually Sudanese, but she was giving a video for some political event, one of these insufferable Zoom conferences.
		And she said that there's no reason to assimilate.
		She said that.
		No reason to assimilate.
		And she is the sole employee, I would say, the leader of the Office of New Americans, whose job it is, supposedly to bring 75,000 migrants to Maine and help them assimilate into the workforce.
		Now, it would seem that that's a fireable offense to think that there's no reason to assimilate when you're the head of the Office of New Americans, but not the case at all, because that office is not about workforce development or assimilation.
		It's about bringing migrants to the state of Maine, resettling them, enrolling them in welfare programs, and making them dependent on the Democratic Party.
		I think the big phenomenon that you see in the migrant community in Maine, and I suspected also in Minnesota, is the gatekeeper phenomenon.
		So you have individuals like Representative Decca DeLocke or Representative Yusuf Youssef or Abdullahi Ali, the CEO of Decadal Gateway.
		You have them coming here early in, say, 2015, and they form these nonprofits and they get the relationships and they get the contracts and some money starts flowing their way.
		And then subsequent waves of migrants become dependent on them because they can offer a job or they can teach them how to sign up for housing or welfare benefits.
		And so they build almost this Ponzi scheme of migration and their power grows insofar as more migrants come into that scheme because they need more and more migrants because as soon as a Somali in Lewiston learns English, learns the ropes, learns how the Democratic Party works, they're just going to go start their own hustle, start their own NGO.
		So they require a constant influx of migrants in order to sustain their own wealth and their own power.
		But the average Somali or Sudanese or Angolan migrant in Maine is fairly conservative.
		Their religious values are conservative and they're just conservative generally by disposition.
		However, they're just dogmatically supporting democratic policies that force girls to compete against boys in high school sports.
		So it's all because of those gatekeepers.
		And those are individuals often, by the way, Tucker, they don't even like.
		Like most of the Somalis that I've talked with, they don't like Decca at all.
		And they find her sense of entitlement a little bit repugnant because she positions herself as the official spokesperson for all brown people in the state of Maine.
		And they don't like that at all, but it's useful to the Democratic Party to have those gatekeepers because they can just deal with one person.
		They can just pay off the one person.
		They don't have to pay off a whole mob of people.
		It's difficult to memorize all of those names.
		So it's easier if they just have a handful of people that they can rely on.
		And that's what Gateway Community Services was for the Maine Democrats.
		I'm not sure that the organization can survive these allegations.
		To the best of my knowledge, the CEO and founder is in Kenya right now with no plans to return because he's worried about meeting an FBI agent at the airport.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is he running for warlord too?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Or is that that only happens in Somalia?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny.
		I have to get your expert opinion on this, Tucker, because in the first response that his organization has made to this whole story, which we broke back in March, but the national media picked it up again following what's happened in Minnesota.
		The lawyer's statement said that referring to him as a warlord was racist, that it was racially tinged to refer to him as a warlord.
		But we have him on video twice in African media saying in Somali that he is using money he's raised in America to fund arms and militiamen.
		There's even one comment where he says specifically that his plan is to use the military and the volunteer force to depose President Madobi, the incumbent president of Jubiland.
		To my mind, if you're walking around Jubiland, Somalia, and you're flanked by guys in camouflage carrying AK-47s, and you said very publicly on multiple occasions that your aim is to depose the sitting president, that counts as running for warlord.
		I think warlord's in play at that point.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, if you are a warlord, I think it's fair to describe you as one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So they've already learned to play the race card like the second they get here.
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, totally, absolutely.
		And they also know the you know, trying to play to liberal sentiment.
		They know, you know, interviewing some heads of Maine care businesses, you talk on the phone, you can tell that they're so accustomed just to being it to being able to mouth the platitudes of liberalism and just bowl over whoever they're talking to when they say, oh, we're, you know, we're, I'm only doing this because I want to help my community.
		Well, okay, so how does the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon, your driving factor, into that, buddy?
		They can't explain that.
		That's when they're like, oh, well, I don't think we should be talking on the phone anymore.
		But they know the words and the phrases that will disarm people like Shenna Bellows.
		They know what they have to say.
		It's like a magic, a magic charm that they utter, and Shenna just kind of glazes over and gets that lizard smile on her face.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, black people.
		I love that.
		There's nothing worse than a cringing white liberal.
		Give me a Somali any day over Shenna Bellows.
		Last question.
		This is a huge story in your state.
		It's not a huge state, but it's one of the oldest states and certainly the most beautiful of the states.
		Is it being covered by any other media organization in the state of Maine?
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
		You should ask, Tucker.
		We broke the story back in March, and all of the mainstream outlets, which are either have received no bid contracts from the Mills administration or grants, or are nonprofits funded by George Soros, they ignored it for eight months.
		And then finally, when the news nation picked it up and a bunch of other outlets started running with it, they decided, well, I guess now we have to cover these racist attacks on gateway community services.
		And that's exactly how they covered it.
		You know, it was all about, you know, outside attacks, racially tinged attacks on this service organization, which is funny because these guys actually covered Abdullahi Ali's initial run for president in Jubiland like he was Somali Barack Obama returning to liberate his people.
		They had these just wonderful glowing profiles of the guy as if it was, you know, he was actually running to be president of a country rather than warlord of a territory.
		So they know who he is.
		They know exactly what's going on here, but they just didn't want to cover it because it didn't fit the narrative and it didn't contribute to democratic power in this state.
		So to the extent they have covered it, it's been totally from a hostile angle.
		And, you know, the conservative Maine wire is the first to surface these allegations.
		But, you know, the whistleblower here in this story, he complained back in 2024 before I'd ever talked with him, before he even knew what the main wire is.
		He's living in Florida now, by the way.
		And I have to tell you that after this story came out, he received a letter from Maine Revenue Services.
		Can you imagine what Maine Revenue Services wanted from a whistleblower who was sharing news about corruption in the Democratic regime here in the state?
		He was being audited.
		This is the first time he's ever had a tax audit.
		They audited his taxes.
		And it turns out he's the first person, I think, in the history of the state to be audited by Maine Revenue Services.
		And it turns out that the state owes him money because Gateway was still collecting, pulling money out of his paycheck while he was living in Florida, which doesn't have state income tax.
		So the state of Maine owes him money, audited him.
		When he discovered that, they said, yeah, well, if you want that money, you're going to have to file.
		Unbelievable.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It is unbelievable.
unidentified		It's maybe the most corrupt state out of 50.
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		I think that it's.
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		We're certainly in the running.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Certainly in the running.
		New Jersey gets too much credit.
		No, it's totally.
		People are afraid.
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		I would die.
		I would beg for New Jersey or Massachusetts levels of corruption in there.
		We could fix so much if we were just at Massachusetts levels of corruption.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable.
		Steve, thank you so much for that update.
		I really appreciate it.
steve robinson ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Tom.
unidentified		Thank you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, speaking of a state that has almost no journalists left, the state of Minnesota, which you may have heard because the president has talked about it quite a bit, has been rocked.
		It's not too strong to say rocked by a federal health insurance fraud scandal to the tune of billions and billions.
		Liz Collin of Alpha News is one of the very few journalists left in the state of Minnesota and joins us now for an explanation of what exactly that story is.
		Liz, thanks so much for doing this.
		Can you just start at the beginning and tell us what has happened in Minnesota that a lot of people in Washington are upset about?
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tucker, good to be here again.
		You know, I've been a reporter in Minnesota for nearly 20 years now.
		I've never seen anything like this news cycle these last few weeks.
		On a federal level, it seems though as if people are finally paying attention, perhaps, as to what has gone on for years, things that we've been reporting for years.
		I know I was on your show just this summer focusing quite a bit of time on our governor, Tim Walz.
		Many things to talk about there, but not so much this Somali fraud, and you can actually call it that now.
		I think that that's just something we've been able to do.
		It seems like these last couple months, but a lot to say on that topic.
		We're talking about billions of dollars in fraud.
		We've been hearing $10 billion plus at this point.
		I think it's hard to even pinpoint an exact amount at the moment.
		I think we're actually going to hear more this week on just that number.
		But these social programs, either being shut down now altogether, moratoriums put in place as enrollees in some programs.
		They've jumped by 200, 300% just in the last few years.
		Perhaps your listeners have heard about the Feeding Our Future fraud.
		That got a lot of attention.
		Well, Governor Walls was on the national stage as a vice presidential candidate.
		But that alone was a $250 million fraud, 78 people charged so far.
		The largest COVID fraud in the country, by and large, Somali defendants in that case.
		So they were setting up these fake meal sites, pocketing millions of dollars, feeding fake kids, essentially.
		This actually came a couple of years after a $100 million daycare fraud.
		So this is daycare centers again set up.
		It's kind of the same playbook again and again.
		These daycares set up, fake kids, millions of dollars in fraud.
		I want to say also, we've been just inundated with tips about all kinds of places that have been set up for years.
		And we just checked some of these out this week.
		We've been doing a lot of reporting on fraud, but these are autism centers, daycare centers, adult daycare centers.
		Nobody has ever heard of what the heck is an adult daycare, medical clinics.
		Just recently, we made a dozen stops.
		And I'll be honest, Tucker, I think all of them, every single stop we made in checking out these businesses, this was during business hours.
		We see no kids, no people, or in some cases we were just chased off the property altogether as it seems that perhaps people are paying more attention.
		But you can see it for yourself.
		There's websites.
		You just check how much DHS, the Department of Human Services in Minnesota, are giving these businesses.
		But boom, no clients or again, closed altogether during business hours posted on their doors.
unidentified		It's so open, it seems, so pervasive.
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		And I will say that taxpayers are absolutely sick of seeing this.
		We've even done some stories recently.
		You have some neighboring businesses to these fake businesses that are setting up surveillance cameras and actually rolling just to say, you know, there's no kids going in and out of this business.
		Who do I give this video to?
		They're stealing from us, you know, right across the street.
		And we've been profiling those stories at elphanews.org.
		We actually have a special fraud page dedicated to all these stories.
		So they're all in one place.
		But it's pretty amazing to see as people are taking this into their own hands as it seems the governor is just trying to kind of pivot.
		He's running for reelection now here in Minnesota.
		But I think this will go down in history certainly as perhaps the largest fraud in the country.
		And I will say that these stops we just made, Tucker, were recent.
		So you can tell that the fraud certainly has not stopped in the state of Minnesota.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is it fair to call this Somali fraud?
		I mean, these are immigrants who speak a language most Americans don't speak, and they're tribal in their orientation.
		And so I guess it makes sense.
		But I just want to check with you.
		This is primarily Somali fraud, fraud committed by Somalis.
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, overwhelmingly, I mean, as just talking about the 78 defendants in Feeding Our Future, primarily all Somali.
		Just a conversation recently with a commercial real estate broker.
		She told me she's still being contacted constantly by members of the Somali community looking to rent office space of any kind.
		They're basically saying we need an address just in case we get audited by the state.
		They're actually that open about what they're doing.
		And just talking about kind of echoing what Steve said as well, we went to many of these addresses and have.
		You always see a luxury vehicle perhaps parked in the parking lot with one or two people inside of business if there's anyone at all.
		Or perhaps they're living in very nice properties, $500,000, $600,000 homes, luxury vehicles.
		And that address will be getting tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars through these reimbursement programs.
		But I counted just before coming on the show here, looks to be now six separate investigations launched on a federal level.
		U.S. Treasury Secretary, the Walls Administration has heard from, Transportation Secretary, the Education Secretary, the Department of Justice, the Agriculture Secretary.
		They're looking at the SNAP data in Minnesota, welfare fraud, and the House Oversight Committee, as Steve was speaking about as well.
		So I've just never seen this all come all at once.
		And this is all about fraud in some way, shape, or form in Minnesota.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's such an abuse, such an insult to the generosity of the United States that took these people in, not because we needed them, we didn't.
		Brought them in as refugees because we're nice people, paid for everything because we're generous.
		And then to be defrauded by those same people is too insulting to take.
		It doesn't really make sense that the state government didn't know this was going on because daycare centers, autism centers, I mean, these are all inspected all the time.
		I mean, restaurants are inspected, hair salons are inspected.
		Nobody from the state noticed you had a daycare center with no kids in it.
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what we've been finding out through this process.
		That's what one would think: that there are inspections, but you can see even see in a lot of these records that, in fact, the last inspection would have been a year ago.
		The last inspection would have been 18 months ago.
		And there'll be all kinds of excuses during these site visits as to perhaps why clients aren't there.
		And so we're hearing on the state level, on the DHS side, that there are not enough employees to really check this out.
		One program recently that was shut down altogether, they had new license applications grow by 283 percent just in a matter of a few years.
		There's also now this two-year moratorium, very similar on adult daycare is growing similarly to 300%.
		But I still have a hard time saying that people at the top were not aware of this.
		In fact, we've heard from some whistleblowers.
		They've been running an account on X, basically trying to get as much attention as they can to this fraud.
		I think it was in October of 2022 when they started actually this account and tweeting.
		And they've now said just more recently that they approached Governor Walls.
		He's been in office now for seven years in Minnesota.
		They approached him very early on in his administration to say, We need to meet with you.
		There's a lot of red flags we're seeing in a lot of these Medicaid programs.
		And they were met with silence.
		And they recently made those allegations as part of this account on social media.
		And we're in touch with a lot of these whistleblowers as well and have done some interviews.
		And that's really what's interesting: the people who have been vocal or pushed back or said, you know, there's this or there's this red flag they've faced, they say, through our stories, retaliation for bringing this forward.
		Again, we've seen similar to what Steve was talking about, race being weaponized in all of this.
		Our attorney general, Keith Ellison, actually is caught on camera, if you will, in a recording, I should say an audio recording, meeting with some of the defendants at the time of Feeding Our Future before they were charged.
		But they were talking about how they were starting to see some of this money being turned off, or they were struggling to get reimbursement at some of these fake sites.
		They're not saying that they're fake in the conversation.
		But right away, you hear the Attorney General, the top law enforcement officer in Minnesota, say, we're going to get this taken care of.
		Walls doesn't like to hear about this either.
		And this is the Attorney General representing the state side of things.
		Really wild to hear in his own words this meeting that took place.
		And that has since gone viral again in this case.
		But that's what's also, I think, really enlightening as we have had different than what we were hearing about in Maine.
		There's been so many cases now, and we're able to hear from these defendants in their own words.
		And I will say, they say things like, you know, this is our culture.
		This is what we do.
		This is what they're saying in open court.
		And it's part of the case.
		The media won't focus on that, of course, or they'll say that this was our American dream, that they think in a way that they're entitled to this money.
		Recently, I featured a story talking to a man who hired one of the defendants in Feeding Our Future.
		She worked for his insurance agency in the Twin Cities for just a few weeks.
		She forged a $30,000 check to herself.
		He obviously calls the police.
		She's fired.
		She's charged.
		It doesn't go to jail or anything.
		It's about a year later, she leaves a bribe on the doorstep of one of the jurors involved in the Feeding Our Future case.
		So this was $200,000 that was supposed to be left for this juror.
		She herself takes $80,000 from that bribe, leaves $120,000 in a Hallmark gift bag outside a juror's doorstep.
		The juror, you know, calls it in, and basically, you know, the juror is then switched out during the case.
		But this is absolutely wild.
		And to this day, this woman who is now charged for the jury bribe as well and has gone on to then commit two more felonies is still not behind bars in Minnesota.
		So it really speaks to this so-called justice system that's in play here.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What have Democratic politicians said about this?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And have any Somali leaders apologized for it, for defrauding the country that was so generous to them?
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		No, it's deflection day in and day out.
		I think you showed at the top of your monologue here so much pandering that we're seeing on a daily basis.
		Mayor Fry can't go to enough Somali restaurants.
		That's basically how he's spending his time and then apologizing again and again to the Somali community.
		And we've had some reporting, just reporting from this month, in fact.
		Now we are okay to, you know, it seems to almost print this, but it's 90% of Somali homes with children in Minnesota are on welfare.
		So that's 90%.
		73% of Somali households in Minnesota have at least one member on Medicaid.
		So that's compared to 21% of native households in Minnesota.
		And that was a report that came out just this month.
		And I don't think before all of this, this report would have received any attention at all.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So there's just rampant taking.
		Just show up in a country and just take as much as you can from other people.
		And if they complain, call them racist.
		I mean, that's the picture you're painting.
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I will say, you know, I know that when we were speaking this summer, we talked quite a bit about the George Floyd lie that was perpetuated here in Minnesota as well.
		And I think that, you know, if you line up sort of the timing, that's 2020, of course.
		And this kind of started, I would say, 2017, 2018.
		Some reporting back then, literally, there would be millions of dollars carted off.
		TSA agents have talked to us about this, but millions of dollars in carry-on luggage going through the checkpoints at MSP, the airport here.
		These people would be photographed, the carry-on luggage would be photographed, all the paperwork filled out, and the thought was that this money was going to Somalia.
		This was back in 2018, but it was kind of, they even have said, how dare you ask questions?
		This is racist.
		So I've been in touch with some of these TSA agents even more recently, again, as well, as they're talking about, kind of connecting the dots that, oh my gosh, this has been going on so much longer than just these last few months and people really need to get at this and stop this.
		And I'll just say, it doesn't seem as if anybody on a local level here seems to be taking it seriously.
		But again, these are all positions controlled by Democrats in Minnesota.
		When we're talking about Maine, the seven years, very similar to what has transpired here in Minnesota these last seven years.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So let me finish this by asking the same question I finished my conversation with Steve Robinson with, which is, where's the rest of the media in the state?
		Where's the Star Tribune?
		I mean, it's a pretty big state, certainly relative to Maine, and you had established media outlets there for like over 100 years.
unidentified		How are they covering this?
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		Also, very similar.
		It's kind of opposite world is how I just describe it.
		You know, I spent myself at 15 years, nearly at the CBS affiliate in Minneapolis, and partly why I left into independent journalism.
		They just would not tell the truth about anything, including this story.
		But you also even have the Star Tribune.
		It's a former Walls commissioner who's now running the Star Tribune in Steve Groves.
		Basically, they should just now move into Walls' office.
		I think it would just be easier.
		There's not much transparency there as to that relationship.
		But it's really frustrating, but I think that there has been a breakthrough with this national attention.
		I think it's going to be very interesting to see what happens.
		And also with the Congresswoman, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar's citizenship.
		She married her brother.
		The allegations stand to grant him citizenship.
		And there was a three-part documentary produced back in 2019 by Alpha News.
		I encourage people, you can check that out, Liz Collin, where I am on X, but I just recently tweeted about that again.
		But here's all this documentation showing this relationship.
		That was also ignored years ago.
		And also some new, what I would consider bombshell allegations that, in fact, allegations that Omar herself is not a legal citizen after changing her birth year on her records.
		So that's a really interesting story that recently came to light as well, but changing her birth date from 1981 to 1982.
		For the longest time, she maintained she got her citizenship naturalized through her father at the age of 17.
		Well, when you check out her documents, it basically was saying that she was 18 by the time that that would have happened.
		So a woman brings this to light.
		Two days later, the congresswoman changes her birth date on all of her records online two days after that that took place.
		And that has now been kicked up in the media again.
		Is this congresswoman even a U.S. citizen?
		And she has yet to actually produce any type of documentation, her naturalization records at all.
		And I will say that we're all journalists over at Alpha News.
		We've contacted the governor multiple times, the Attorney General multiple times on fraud, Congresswoman Omar as well, and they will not talk to us.
		We're definitely blacklisted in the world of media in Minnesota, Tucker.
unidentified		Man.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You wonder where this is going.
		Liz Collin, thank you for the work you've done, which is serious and rigorous and obviously essential and also brave.
		So it's great to see you.
		Thank you very much.
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Tucker.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Imagine living in a country where there's just zero tolerance for this.
		That's not hate, actually.
		It's a form of love, setting standards, decent, universal standards that apply to everyone, no matter what they look like or who they vote for.
		That is the promise of the United States.
		And it's just evaporating without comment, but we can't let it.
		Thanks very much.
		We'll be back.
		Well, some Americans have become cut off from the things that once kept us grounded, our land, the skills that tied our families to nature.
jacob frey ▲ ● ▼		Goldiers get his next spot.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And to remind us, we made a new six-part series, American Game, Tales from the Wild.
		We follow the sportsmen who are keeping these ancient traditions alive.
		We follow a formula navy seal into the mountains of Texas.
		Donald Trump Jr. across the ridges of Lanai.
unidentified		That's what we call from going from Zero to Hero.
unidentified		And wander with me through the quiet woods of Maine.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I have just three dog commands.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And then as I direct the dogs, find the bird.
unidentified		Find the bird.
unidentified		And then Dead Bird, obviously, which I don't use as much as I'd like to.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We cast for steelhead on the Deschutes River in Oregon.
unidentified		I'm the first one I've caught in a while.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Tracked mule deer in the Utah high country.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Spearfish in the waters off Montauk, chasing striped bass and bluefin tuna.
liz collin ▲ ● ▼		See you on the other side.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's called American Game Tales from the Wild Outdoor Series.

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