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Tucker Carlson Interviews Nick Fuentes

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tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Nick Fuentes, thank you for doing this.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you for having me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to meet you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So thank you.
		I want to understand what you believe.
		And I want to give you a chance in a minute to just lay it out, not what you're pivoting against, which are a lot of the same thing.
		You know, I agree with you on some of the things you're pivoting against for sure, but what do you affirmatively believe?
		So I just want to stand back and let you explain it.
		But first, I want to understand how you got to where you are, how you became Nick Fuentes.
		So here's, I'm just, this is my understanding of your life arc.
		And tell me if I'm wrong.
		You show up at Boston University.
		You grew up in a suburb of Chicago, kind of working class, suburb of Western suburb, and you show up at Boston University in the fall of 2016 at the height of the, well, the battle between Trump and Hillary.
		It's like this kind of pivot point in history.
		And you show up with a MAGA hat and you have a Trump hat and you have like basically off-the-shelf Republican views.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So describe the views that you had then and then describe what happened.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So when I was in high school, I was very political.
		I was reading a lot of the libertarian stuff, Austrian school, Chicago school, economic type literature, because that's what was popular at the time.
		If you went online in the mid-early 2010s, that's all the conservative content there really was.
		That was the most extremely online.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Libertarian economics.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, basically kind of the remnant of the Ron Paul Revolution.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The Young Americans for Liberty, Prager U, which kind of skews a little more, I guess, conservative, but very basic small government, individualism, libertarian type stuff.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you watch Prager U videos?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was in the Prager Force.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's a Facebook group for college kids, and they promote the Prager U videos to the college students.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you really were a product of the moment.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And how'd you feel about Trump?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, initially, I didn't like Trump when the primary started in 2015.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was, I considered him to be a statist, which sounds so ridiculous now.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, a lot of people thought that.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I was a libertarian.
		So I saw him as a big government, 1990s liberal.
		When he was asked about health care, he said, well, we'll take care of everybody.
		And I said, I'm a Rand Paul guy, Ted Cruz guy.
		Those were kind of my people back in 2015.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You like Ted Cruz?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was a cruise missile.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Does Cruz know that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I was actually on his campaign.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You were on the Ted Cruz campaign?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I was on the campaign, but I door knocked in a little village in Chicago in McKinley Park for Ted Cruz.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No way.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		In the Illinois primary.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did he write you a thank you note?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't get a thank you.
		He lost, so I guess.
		Yeah, he did.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He did in a very humiliating way.
		So, wow, that's wow.
		That's amazing.
		So, so what happened?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I, like everybody else in 2016, went through this ideological awakening.
		And first, I shifted to Trump.
		And the first realization that I had is it started in 2016, actually, because the primaries, you know, started in 15, around April or May.
		I think it was the first announcements.
		And I had very negative feelings about Trump.
		And like I said, pro-Rand Paul, pro-Cruz.
		But when the actual Iowa caucus happened and the primaries began, I saw that Trump was dominating.
		And every night in the Super Tuesday, when they had all the big contests, one after the other, I remember the media was furious that he was winning one after the other.
		And I remember thinking to myself, like structurally, if I'm a libertarian or a conservative and we want to change the country, we have to win elections.
		If you want to win elections, you have to bypass the media.
		I sort of have this realization that the media was really standing in the way.
		They were the problem.
		And I had this realization that all the conservatives and Republicans up to that point were afraid to take on the media.
		They, like Mitt Romney, would cower before them and were so apologetic and so weak.
		And so initially I said, you know, I don't, I actually don't ideologically agree with Trump at all, but he will destroy the liberal media or at least their monopoly on thought and opinion.
		Yes.
		And then a breakthrough can occur.
		So that was kind of the first hump.
		And I said, you know, I could get behind Trump because he's a winner.
		He'll win for our side.
		And that was kind of the first big thing.
		And then as I listened to him more and more, his speeches and his rhetoric, I started to think about immigration.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Which you hadn't really considered before?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Never.
		And the reason why is because I was from a 95% white suburb.
		So the diversity had not really reached my corner of Chicago yet.
		We were me and my family, not so much my family.
		They grew up in the city, but growing up in the suburbs, I was insulated from that.
		So it was just not even, it's actually, you're going to love this.
		This is, I don't know if I've ever even said this on an interview before.
		I was listening to Mark Levin's show.
		This goes to show how normy I was.
		Actually, I listened to him every day.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You listen to Mark Levin every day.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		In high school, yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was a fan.
		I loved his show.
		And I actually liked how he was kind of obnoxious and mean to his callers.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Vicious.
		And I liked that.
		I thought that was funny.
		But I'll never forget one show.
		He goes live and he says, America's becoming a majority non-white country.
		Does anybody think that's a good idea?
		And I was thinking to myself, yeah, that actually doesn't sound so good.
		I didn't really even think that America's becoming majority minority like that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you were radicalized on race by Mark Levin.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are you making that up?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's a real story.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He planted the seed at least.
		And then I saw a graphic on 4chan or Twitter, and I'm sure you've seen something similar.
		It said, this is what the map looks like, the electoral map, if only men vote, if only women vote, if only whites vote, if only non-whites vote.
		And it became very obvious what the electoral problem is.
		It's demographics.
		These immigrants are coming here.
		They're going to turn Texas blue like they turned California blue.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I saw that happen.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And, you know, you look at even the opinion polls.
		These people don't believe in free speech.
		They don't believe in the Constitution, the Second Amendment.
		As a libertarian, the things that are, and as American, things that are important to you, they don't believe, they don't understand these things.
		And so I said, that's another political obstacle.
		You've got the media.
		You've got immigration.
		So I'm thinking like, well, we're going to vote for Ted Cruz.
		He's going to be the constitutionalist.
		We'll vote for Rand Paul.
		He'll be the libertarian.
		But what stands in the way of political power for us?
		It's the media and it's immigration.
		So I said, well, we got to get Trump to beat the media, build the wall, deport the illegals.
		And once we set the country straight, then we can actually have our constitutional republic back.
		That was kind of the idea.
		And that's the mindset that I had going into college.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So then what happened?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I go to college and I'm just at that point a huge Trump supporter.
		And you got to understand for me, for my generation.
		So I was 18.
		I turned 18 in August 2016.
		And to us, Trump.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, because we're like the first generation that was influenced by Trump coming of age in that moment.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I say it's amazing because when you're living in something, you don't appreciate its full significance.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But to be 18 in August of 2016, so this really is as you're forming your views and really yourself.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
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nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's transformative.
		And, you know, so for us, he was like the savior of Western civilization.
		We looked at him as like, we, and by we, I mean me and all the online kids, teenagers that supported him, we really believed the hype.
		Like Teflon Don, like he could go into any scenario and win.
		Like he was unstoppable, unflappable.
		Nobody could score points on him.
		He just seemed like, you know, they, they said you can't stump the Trump.
		Like he could not be stumped.
		And so we, he just had this aura of inevitability, invincibility.
		And we, I loved that.
		And so I went to Boston University.
		I got on campus in September and I was wearing my MAGA hat everywhere in the dining hall, walking down the street.
		And it's a city campus.
		So you're walking down Commonwealth Avenue and, you know, you're in the city of Boston, which is super liberal.
		And at that time, it's different than it was now.
		People were getting fired for wearing MAGA hats.
		People were getting punched in the face.
		It was like being a Trump supporter was, it was out there actually back then.
		It was controversial.
		It was controversial everywhere, not even, you know, just in liberal Boston.
		But so I was wearing my hat everywhere and I was just getting accosted constantly.
		In the dining hall, people come up and yell in my face.
		Some black girl in a hijab ran up to me and said, you know what you're supporting?
		You're racist.
		And I'm trying to get my pizza.
		You know, I'm trying to get my oatmeal or whatever at the dining hall.
		This was happening constantly.
		And so I was going then on Twitter and I had a small Twitter account with my real name and face and I had, you know, maybe 200 followers and I'm posting about my experiences.
		And I caught the attention of a lot of people on campus for wearing the hat, for posting on Twitter.
		And they found my Twitter.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We've only been there like a month?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Less weeks, maybe three weeks.
		This is starting to kick up.
		And I catch the attention of my peers and they start going at me on Twitter and giving me death threats.
		We're going to kill you.
		How dare you?
		If I see you, I'm going to beat your ass, that kind of thing.
		And this was my first experience with this.
		You know, now we're all kind of desensitized to it, but that was my first run and with like, you know, this intensity from the left.
		So I find a police report.
		I get real nervous.
		And, you know, when you're a student, you can't really avoid other people.
		You're in a dorm room.
		You're in the, you know, so you're vulnerable.
		And anyway, long story short.
		So one of these guys from the campus libertarian group, Young Americans for Liberty, he reaches out to me and says, hey, I'm, I'm not going to say his name, but he goes, I go to a school in Boston.
		I'm from YAL.
		He said, and I'd like to set up a debate with you and one of these people that's been giving you a hard time on campus because they were doing a lot of events.
		He said, is that something you're interested in?
		I said, absolutely.
		And so he goes around and he asks some of the bigger people that are antagonizing me on Twitter and everybody says no.
		And he goes, yeah, no one's going for it.
		I said, well, can you try again?
		Can you?
		And so he finds one guy and it turns out to be the student body president of the whole university.
unidentified		Could be you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the senior, this liberal douchebag progressive.
		And he's the student body president of the student government there.
		And so we set up the debate.
		It was about a week before the actual election.
		So I think it was end of October, beginning of November.
		And they hold it in this auditorium in the center of the campus.
		And like 300 people show up.
		So it turns into like this huge, and they're all liberal.
		They all hate my guts.
		They're heckling me the whole time.
		They're yelling at me.
		We do this debate about Trump versus Hillary.
		And so I'm there and I'm pro-Trump and I say, you know, I think Trump's going to win.
		And I'm straight up like ripping the Ben Shapiro talking points.
		I'm saying, you know, it's got everything to do with culture and nothing to do with race and diversity is a problem and all this.
		And I decisively win the debate.
		It's like not even close.
		The debate wraps up and this girl who I think I had talked to her on Twitter once or twice comes running up to the stage after the debate and it's Cassie Dillon.
		And at this time, she's a fellow at Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro's company.
		And like I said, I barely knew her.
		And she comes running up and she says, oh my gosh, I live streamed this debate on Periscope on Twitter.
		She said, and 30,000 people watched it.
		And you have like five job offers.
		You did incredible.
		I said, wow, I don't know what to say.
		That's great.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		She goes, 18 years old.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So it's like happening very quickly for me, you know?
		And she goes, do you want to do a post-game interview after the debate?
		I said, sure.
		And so she asked me about how I thought the debate went and what my views are and things like that.
		And, you know, very normal stuff.
		And then at the end, she says, I just got back from doing study abroad in Israel.
		She goes, and it was amazing.
		Would you ever take a trip to Israel?
		And I said, no, I think I got everything I need right here in America.
		And she goes, oh, okay.
		And she wraps up the interview.
		And that was a little bit of foreshadowing.
		And this begins a relationship, not a romantic relationship, but we become friends and we start talking.
		And she's plugged in, like I said, at Daily Wire.
		She's talking to people at Rightside Broadcasting Network, the college Republicans.
		I start to develop this friendship with her.
		And over time, she lands me this show on Rightside Broadcasting Network.
		And in this time, I'm really starting to lean into America first.
		I'm becoming more pro-Trump as time goes on.
		And what really stood out to me was Trump's inaugural address in January 17th.
		So this is just a couple months later.
		And in Trump's inaugural, he says famously, a new vision will govern our land.
		It's going to be only America first, America first.
		And I said, that's me.
		Like, that's what I believe.
		I'm an American nationalist fully at this point, not even a conservative.
		And there was one thing that happened just before that that really struck me as strange.
		And I've told this story before.
		I'm not going to spend too much time on it, but suffice to say, Barack Obama in the lame duck period.
		So the Democrats lost the election.
		He's on his way out.
		There's a resolution of the Security Council condemning the settlements in the West Bank in Israel.
		And typically the U.S. delegation will veto those resolutions condemning Israel.
		Well, Obama's on his way out.
		He's got nothing to lose.
		So the U.S. delegation abstains from the resolution and it passes.
		And Fox News and all the pro-Israel conservatives are calling him an anti-Semite.
		They're saying he hates Jews.
		He's an anti-Semite.
		He hates Israel.
		And I saw that and it struck me as strange because it seemed hypocritical.
		It seemed like how when conservatives would critique anything about race, we got called racist or anything about feminism, we got called sexist.
		All Obama did was uphold U.S. policy on the West Bank that we've had since 67, which is we don't support the settlements.
		I said, how is it anti-Semitic to just be consistent on our U.S. foreign policy?
		Like I said, which is a Republican-Democrat consensus.
		And I got attacked for this.
		I wrote a big article about this.
		I tweeted about it.
		I tweeted to Ben Shapiro.
		I said, you know, I've never seen anything on the Daily Wire that's actually critical of Israel.
		And he quote tweets me.
		And at this time, I have a thousand followers on Twitter.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm 18.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a freshman.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're still a freshman in college.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And this is even before I started my show.
		And I don't know, I probably got 100 likes on this tweet.
		It wasn't a viral tweet.
		He quote tweets me and says, to accuse a Jew of dual loyalty is the surest sign of anti-Semitism.
		And like, this is how it sort of begins.
		And I see this tweet.
		And by the way, that was on Christmas Eve in 2016.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He immediately called you an anti-Semite.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I'm driving to Christmas Eve Mass with my family.
		And I see on Twitter, the notification comes up, Ben Shapiro quote tweets me calling me an anti-Semite.
		And I was like, what is this?
		Like, why is this guy attacking me?
		You know, because I don't have a platform at this time.
		I'm not an influential guy or anything.
		And so then I put out another tweet similar.
		I said something like, if you're China first, you should live in China.
		If you're Mexico first, you should live in Mexico.
		If you're Israel first, maybe you should go live in Israel.
		And again, he quote tweets me and says, you're an anti-Semite.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That same night?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This was, I think, a couple weeks later.
		Happened a little bit further down the line.
		And so.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are you surprised that he knew you were?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was surprised at why he cared.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm thinking, how does he even know who I am or what I'm about?
		And it turned out that Cassie Dillon, she had texted him earlier and she wanted him to take me under his wing.
		She texted him after that debate and said, you know, you really like this guy.
		He's amazing.
		He did this great debate.
		She goes, but he's a little too pro-Trump.
		He's a little too Trumpy.
		And he goes, I'll take a look.
		And so I guess the two of them were kind of like grooming me in a sense.
		They wanted me to go maybe and be a Daily Wire or maybe looking me as a potential conservative activist or influencer.
		And so they started paying attention to me.
		And the more critical of Israel I was, I started to get this really intense pushback from the both of them and from a lot of the people at Daily Wire.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think, so you're an 18-year-old college freshman, you're clearly talented and you're engaged, you're really interested, and you ask not, not crazy questions, like what is this?
		And rather than explain it, they just call you a racist, call you an anti-Semite.
		Like, that's the first response.
		That seems like the least effective.
		Well, it turned out to be not very effective in your case, but that seems like the least effective thing you could do.
		Why do you think they did that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that you have to look at it not in retrospect because hindsight is 2020.
		And so, looking back, you could say they made a terrible mistake because look at sort of what they provoked or what they catalyzed.
		But at that time, you got to consider: I'm 18 with no following, with no network.
		I'm coming from the suburbs of Chicago.
		My parents didn't go to college.
		I have no connections.
		And so, for them, it was very easy that if they detected that a promising young guy was going to become anti-Israel in the conservative movement, they could crush that person easily and grind them under the heel.
		So, they sort of were alerted: oh, there's a precocious young guy that isn't on board with Israel.
		We'll keep an eye on him.
		And if he gets too vocal or popular, we'll cut him down.
		We'll crush him.
		Because at this time, as you know, in 2017, it's a very different time.
		2016, 17, any criticism or dissent on the subject was a death sentence.
		You became radioactive, unhireable, blacklisted.
		And that's exactly what happened.
		And basically, from then on, it was just this escalating series of blacklisting, censorship, hit pieces, rumors to try to ostracize me from the movement.
		While you're a college student, yes, as a freshman, yeah.
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		So looking back with that 2020 hindsight, I mean, Ben Shapiro seems like a big part of your political evolution.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You went from a fan/slash acolyte to an opponent and then just pivoted against everything that he believes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was because it was this new dialectic that Trump forced.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Trump planted the seed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And the seed was America first.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So once you accept that, a lot of the way we're doing things becomes impossible to support or justify.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		The contradiction becomes apparent.
		It gets moved to the center and it becomes unignorable if you're consistent.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what kind of efforts did they make to make you go away?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So this is a couple of months down the line.
		You know, first they would try to dissuade me from asking questions because I was friends with a lot of the Daily Wire writers, not just Cassie Dillon, but many of them, many of them were Jewish.
		And I would ask them point blank.
		I would say, so why do we give Israel all this money?
		$3.8 billion per year?
		What is that for?
		And they would say, well, you know, there's a really good answer for that, but you're asking it in the wrong way.
		You're asking it in an anti-Semitic way.
		I'd say, I'm just, I'm asking for the proof.
		You know, what's the argument there?
		And so first it was the sort of, hey, man, could you kind of tone it down?
		Maybe just don't bring that up so much.
		But I was persistent because at this time, I was genuinely inquisitive.
		I wanted to know, is there an actual reason?
		And I was actually expecting that there was a really good reason for all of it.
		And the more that I read, the more that I dug into the subject, the more I found out there's a lot of these neocon Jewish types behind the Iraq war.
		There's the foreign aid complex, which is really unique.
		There's APAC, which is this intense foreign lobby where it's bipartisan.
		It seems to be the only thing that the parties can agree on.
		And so it just made me burn more with curiosity.
		So I just kept asking them.
		And eventually they said, you know what?
		We're not going to talk to you anymore.
		And these are my friends.
		I met them, went to Christmas parties with them.
		And all of them one day said, you're done.
		We're blocking you.
		We're never going to speak to you again.
		We're never going to have you on our show.
		And I said, wow, like this seems like inhuman.
		I'm struck by how impersonal this is.
		Like here, I thought we're friends.
		We're all conservatives.
		Maybe we disagree on one issue.
		Now I'm being canceled by the right.
		So I was shocked by this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		When was this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This was February or March 2017.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you're still a freshman in college.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are you even paying attention to college at this point?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And my grades started to suffer because I was just really focused on this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So that's pretty young to get canceled and pretty young to have friendships destroyed over politics.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like that's usually, you know, like decades down the line.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What did you do?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just became more emboldened.
		And so I took this story on my show.
		At this time, I was on RSBN and I had this show, which I named after the inaugural.
		It's called America First.
		And I would kind of subtly bring up the Israel topic and say, you know, this is something you're not allowed to talk about.
		This seems like an apparent contradiction.
		It's a big problem.
		And they escalated their attacks.
		Cassie Dillon would call my boss, who she was friends with, at RSBN every day for weeks, saying, you'll never believe what Nick said on his show tonight.
		It's so racist.
		It's so bad.
		You got to take him off the air.
		It's going to make you look bad.
		And I would then get word from my boss, Joe Seals.
		He was the founder at Rightside.
		And he would call me up and say, I don't know what has gotten into Cassie.
		I thought you guys were friends, but she is calling me every day hysterically demanding that I fire you.
		And I was like, wow.
		Like, so it just keeps getting worse.
		It starts with this, like, they're very weird about the subject.
		Then they don't want to talk to me.
		Then they're trying to get me fired.
		And I'm thinking, okay, so clearly what I'm asking about, there's some truth there that they don't want.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did any, I should have asked you this earlier.
		Did anyone during the course of, you know, pre-cancelization say to you, here are the reasons?
		You're not asking the question correctly, but there are reasons that our foreign aid to Israel is so high.
		Like, and here's what they are.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They did, but in a very general and vague way.
		As you know, it's never specific.
		They would say things like, well, they're our partner in the Middle East.
		They're a democracy in the Middle East.
		Just as very vague, it's rhetorical.
		And I read the Israel lobby by Mir Sheimer and Stephen Walt, and they break it down very succinctly that there's no real strategic benefit.
		Actually, there's strategic liability.
		Eastern Mediterranean is not a strategically important region.
		The intelligence that Israel provides is not useful.
		Actually, it's detrimental because they frequently lie.
		The technology we give them, they pass along to the Chinese, which was a big scandal.
		So I would give them all this and say, yeah, that's not adding up.
		And they would say, yeah, yeah, well, you know, you really just can't talk about that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Your friend said that to you.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Okay.
		So what happened to your job?
		The right side broadcasting gig.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Eventually I got fired.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I got kicked out.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because one of these clips that Cassie Dillon had a problem with, she ran it up the flagpole.
		She took it to Media Matters, actually, which is a left-wing outfit.
		They're like a cancel mill.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Wait, the Daily Wire person took it to Media Matters?
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm 99% sure.
unidentified		Huh.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What was the clip?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It was a clip, ironically, where I was talking about the travel ban, the so-called Muslim ban, and I was defending it.
		And I said that the First Amendment does not protect foreign nationals.
		It doesn't protect Salafists, you know, Wahhabists.
		He's like, you know, I said, they're saying that there's a constitutional right for radical Muslims to come here.
		And I said, that, how are they protected by the First Amendment?
		They're foreign nationals.
		And the authorial intent of the First Amendment was actually not even to protect that to begin with.
		You know, it's kind of anti-Christendom radical ideology.
		So it's something, ironically, that probably Shapiro and Cassie would agree with, but they recognize the currency that a clip like that would have with the left because the left could say, you're Islamophobic, you're racist.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So she brought that to the left saying, look at this guy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's not that he's anti-Israel, but he's anti-Muslim.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And so that clip appears on Media Matters, which at the time, I was the subject of a lot of attacks from them at the time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And people kind of listened to them.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Including on the right, they listened to them.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what happened?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I had to write an apology.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		My boss called me up and said, you need to apologize for what you said.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For being anti-Muslim.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And so I didn't write, I'm sorry, but I had to write something like, well, I should have chosen my words more carefully and this, that, and the other.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And ultimately, then they fired me a couple weeks later.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And what was the pretext for that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they wanted to get in the White House press office.
		They wanted a press pass.
		And they said, it's the stuff you're saying on the show isn't like a good look for right side.
		It's, they're not going to let us into the White House if you're with us.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And that, and but the pressure in this scenario came exclusively from the Daily Wire.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because, and here's how I know why.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		My show got maybe 100 live viewers every night.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Not a powerhouse show.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		So the Media Matters was not on to me.
		They were put onto me by people in the right that wanted me canceled.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's interesting.
		So then what do you do?
		You're failing in school.
		Your show just got canceled.
		What's your plan now?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I dropped out college.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I hated college and it was very expensive.
		Even I had a substantial scholarship, but it was still expensive and I didn't like it.
		So my plan was that I was going to go to a different college.
		I might work for a year, make some money.
		And eventually I got the show back about a month later.
		They came back and by popular demand from my 100 viewers who were very dedicated, right side offered me the show back.
		And so I took the show again over the summer.
		And then I applied for a job at the Leadership Institute.
		And that was kind of the next big saga.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But you didn't get that job.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I did not get the job.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was told because I knew people that worked there that were field representatives there.
		It was a field representative job.
		And so I went out for a job training at the end of July 2017.
		So after that second semester, and I applied for this field rep job, it was this two-week training.
		And I go there and on the first day of the whole thing, they go around the room of all the prospective applicants.
		It's like a big tryout basically for two weeks.
		And they wanted to get everybody to break the ice and know each other.
		So we did introductions.
		They said, say your name, how old you are, and why you're a conservative.
		And at this time, people are not where, let's say, we are right now.
		They're not America first.
		They're not anything like, they're not talking about great replacement.
		That's not on the radar for them.
		So you go around the room and you hear stuff about small government, free markets, you know, personal responsibility, that sort of thing.
		And they get to me and I said, well, I'm a conservative because we're losing our civilization because of mass immigration.
		America doesn't resemble America anymore.
		France is no longer France.
		I said, and if we don't conserve the demographics, forget about the rest.
		That's what we need to conserve.
		And I said that.
		And I was told later on that at that moment, I was immediately disqualified by the people that were running the job training.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		On what grounds?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I said, that was too far right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That was too extreme.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Worrying about who lives in your country is far right?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Apparently.
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		So, where does that, like, where does that leave you ideologically?
		Like, how are you changing at this point?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So, at this point, I'm realizing that something is deeply wrong here in the conservative movement because we were led to believe in those days of the campus culture wars and Gamergate and all that, is that we're the marketplace of ideas and we're about free speech and the rest of it.
		And here I am being like nuked from orbit by Ben Shapiro as a kid and for asking what I thought were reasonable questions because I didn't come from some strange background.
		I come from a normal home.
		You know, my parents are Catholic.
		They're married.
		We came from a relatively affluent suburb.
		I went to Lions Township.
		That's like a very affluent high school.
		In other words, I didn't wake up as like the son of, you know, William Luther Pierce.
		I wasn't like a skinhead or something.
		You know, I was like a normal guy that was like, yeah, like country's too diverse.
		We're too pro-Israel.
		Like, this is reasonable.
		And I was just getting sandbagged for it and blacklisted.
		And what's more, nobody cared.
		Like, because I remember going on Twitter and saying, like, you know, why isn't anyone sticking up for me?
		Where's Dave Rubin?
		You know, the free speech warrior.
		Where's he on this one?
		Where's Shapiro?
		Where's all these people?
		And in some way, they were all sort of complicit in this.
		So I realized that the conservative movement was completely bankrupt in that way.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I became very radical.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it you became, I mean, let me just say, I'm so familiar with, you know, I was much older when it happened to me and much more, much more insulated.
		I was not a college student.
		I was like 45.
		So, you know, and I was in a much better place to withstand the pressure.
		But I do think one, and I want to, this is my main question to you: is when you get attacked, when people call you names, like they always called me racist, and I would always think to myself, I'm actually not.
		I would tell you if I was racist.
		I'm a little sexist, but I'm not racist.
		And I never understood why they did that.
		And then I thought, maybe the point is to make me racist where you just get to, you get to a point where you're like, well, if you're going to slander me, then I'll just become the thing you're calling me.
		I do think that's a feature of human nature, don't you?
		And if you stare too intently at the accusers, at the, you know, whatever Ben Shapiro's or Mark Levins or Ted Cruz or whoever it is calling you names, it like distorts you and you actually change and become what they say you are.
		Have you thought that ever?
		Do you worry that that happened to you?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think it ever did because I know who I am.
		I had a very firm grounding of what I'm about, which is that I was deeply Catholic and I still am, deeply patriotic and pro-American.
		And I don't consider myself temperamentally to be an angry or a hateful person.
		So I never, in other words, lost my center.
		You know, they say this thing about you look into the abyss and the abyss stares back into you.
		That never really happened to me.
		I was frustrated.
		I was frustrated because I felt like I was being denied a level playing field opportunity.
		And it wasn't fair.
		I felt like I was right.
		And these people that were basically hypocrites, grifters, not really conservative, they were controlling the conversation.
		And as a consequence, they were controlling the Republican movement.
		And I really perceive this as like an urgent crisis because if we wanted Trump to deliver America first, to realize it, it had to, the Trump movement had to transform the conservative movement to reflect the victory that Trump won.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So, and I won't keep torturing you with biographical questions, but I do want to like, so how you get your show gets canceled, you drop out of college, you have no money, you decide you want to work at the Leadership Institute, which is like a conservative think tank of or some organization of longstanding in Arlington, Virginia.
		Can't get the job there because you're worried about immigration.
		It's all pretty amazing.
		And then, like, where does that leave you?
		How did you succeed?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I continued doing my show.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I did it independently.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
		How do you do it?
		How do you do a show independently?
		Like, how did you do it?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I started a YouTube channel and I was in my parents' basement.
		And I put up a green screen.
		I got my computer, webcam, and I just started going live every night in the same way that I did at RSBN.
		I just did it on my own channel where I had creative control over it.
		And at that point, I basically mounted an attack on the conservative establishment from the outside.
		I sort of realized that there's sort of two ways you could play this.
		You could infiltrate the conservative movement.
		I could recant all my views and apologize and pretend to be one of them and bypass the gatekeepers, the censors.
		I said, or I could kind of be in the wilderness and I would be alone and I would be radioactive, but I could challenge the credibility and legitimacy of the conservative movement and its claim to represent conservatives.
		And that was kind of the mission was to say, no, the immovable standard is America first.
		I'm going to represent it.
		And the conservative movement is going to have to move to me.
		I will not move towards them.
		And I thought, maybe I'll make money and maybe I won't, but I'm going to try it for a couple of years and I'll see how it goes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So, but the site picture in your head was enemy is conservative movement.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you think that was a good choice?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Rather than like, but why not like Antifa or, you know, I don't know, Anton Information League or there are a lot of institutions on George Soros.
		Like, why would it be their conservative establishment?
		Why do you think that was important?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of took a page from Trump's playbook, which is that you have to, in the country, the left was hegemonic over all the institutions.
		And you have this organized opposition to the left and the Democrats and all the left-wing controlled institutions.
		And the organized opposition comes from movement conservatism, the Republican Party, Fox News, you know, the sort of constellation of conservative institutions.
		And I said, the problem is, whether you go Democrat or you go Republican, you're kind of just like getting the same thing.
		You're getting the establishment effectively.
		The opposition is basically controlled or moderated.
		It's not authentic opposition.
		It's not a true alternative.
		And so I said, we, and by we, I mean the true America first nationalists, we need to fight for the mantle of the opposition.
		And then leading the opposition, then we can take the fight to the left as the conservatives, as the Republicans, whatever.
		But first, you have to win that internal battle among the audience that the conservatives have.
		Because that's really the problem is that they have usurped.
		The base is extremely conservative, extremely anti-left.
		But the Republican Party, like those that represent them are not at all.
		They're very, a lot of them are atheists.
		A lot of them are gay.
		A lot of them are feminists.
		And so I said, like, we kind of need to rally like Trump did, rally the base against the establishment and then take the fight to the left as the true alternative.
		And if you could win that, then you win the country.
		That was kind of Trump's model.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What did you see as like the most important gatekeepers that needed to be overturned, pushed aside in order to do this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It was the Zionist Jews like Dave Rubin, like Ben Shapiro, like Dennis Prager.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It was these guys that were really controlling the media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest impediment.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Fox?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Fox is not a Jewish business, though.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, Rupert Murdoch is an ally of Nanyahu.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So he's aligned.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And he owns the whole News Corp empire.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So, and yeah, he's certainly a part of it also.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Dave Rubin, though, does he matter?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, not really.
unidentified		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Dave Rubin.
		It's like, I don't know.
		Do people watch Dave Rubin?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They did back then.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, because you got to consider they were kind of like the ascendant new media, you know, they represented the next big thing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant to me now.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Now, but back then, for maybe you won.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, certainly.
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		Obviously, it's America.
		People are recalculating, unfortunately, because they have no choice.
		The last few years have taught us that.
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		So here's my question.
		So I look at the landscape now and the people I see as, you know, I'll just, I'll narrow it down to foreign policy.
		Okay.
		Who is effectively opposing neoconservative foreign policy, which has been the dominant foreign policy of the United States for my entire life, which has been so destructive, I think.
		And I've seen it.
		Who are the voices who are sincere in their opposition to that and who have some ability to change the country's orientation on foreign policy?
		And those would include Marjorie Taylor Greene, JD Vance, Matt Gates, me.
		But you've attacked all of those people.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why would you, in an almost Joe Kent, those strike me as someone who's really interested in this topic.
		I'm not that interested in the Jews, but I'm very interested in the foreign policy question.
		Those seem like the most sincere people, those seem like the only hope of the country to get away from this destructive, really self-destructive cycle.
		Why attack them?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, in short, they attack me first.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but like, who cares?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's take Joe Kent.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you attack me constantly.
		Well, I'm like, I don't really give a shit.
		I want to meet the guy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You attack me first, too.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but what I'm saying is I'm not whining about it.
		I'm just saying like, so.
		You know what I mean?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't say so because like take Joe Kent, for instance.
		I supported Joe Kent and I talked to Joe Kent.
		I got introduced to him by Matt Brainerd.
		Matt Brainerd went to my conference in 2021.
		He bought a table.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Was he his campaign manager?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He was.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Or he was a consultant, but he was on the campaign.
		Yeah.
		And so I met Matt Brainerd.
		He liked me a lot.
		He loved my conference in February 21, which he bought a table at for his organization, Look at America.
		And in 2021, we, and by we, I mean my nonprofit and myself and my team, we wanted to support America First candidates in the midterms.
		Like you said, authentic opponents.
unidentified		Me too.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's how I found Joe Kent.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And so I met a lot of the people in that sort of scene, like Ryan Gerduski, I know, is very supportive of Joe Kent and other people that are more private, I don't want to name, but they put me on, not just to Joe Kent, but Patrick Witt in Georgia, Gibbs in Michigan, a lot of different people.
		And Joe Kent was one of them.
		And I had a phone call with Joe Kent and I told him I had my assistant on the phone too, who's Jewish, by the way, just because I want you to know I'm cool like that.
		You know, I don't judge.
		So I'm on the phone with Joe and I said, look, we support you and we want to do everything we can to help you.
		We want to have my followers knock on doors for you.
		We want to boost your social media.
		Anything that you need, we want to help you.
		I said, and we don't even want to be publicly associated.
		I said, because we know that that might hurt you.
		I said, the only thing that we ask in return is you can't disavow me if the media asks.
		And you can say whatever you need to say, but you can't disavow.
		And he said, yeah, I totally agree with you because if we start disavowing each other, then we're just going to eat each other alive and the left wins.
		We're in agreement.
		And a couple months later, Joe tweeted in support of me because I had been banned on all social media.
		I was on the no-fly list.
		So he said something on Twitter like, you know, Nick Fluent's shouldn't be banned.
		He should not be censored.
		A month after that, I put out on Twitter, I said, Joe Kent is one of the most impressive America First candidates that's running in 22.
		Well, fast forward a whole year later, I do my annual conference, AFPAC, in February 22.
		Marjorie Taylor Green attends.
		It's uh, we had a thousand two hundred people and it got a lot of media attention.
		And I'm driving home because I'm on the no-fly list at this time.
		I'm driving home from Florida.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		By no fly list, you mean not extra scrutiny, but like not allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Not allowed to fly, yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How can that, how can, how old were you?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was 23.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did you have any felony convictions?
unidentified		No.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		How can I, I wasn't even aware that that could happen.
		How long were you not allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		One year.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's really crazy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I just want to get that up.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, yeah, it's brutal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And you can affirm that you were not allowed to fly in airplanes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I have the letter from the TSA.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was on the do not board list.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Sorry to interrupt you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's crazy.
		But so anyway, so I'm driving home from Florida after my conference and I get people start texting me.
		Joe Ken is on Twitter and he says, I condemn Nick Fuentes, especially his views on Israel.
		That's the tweet.
		And I texted Joe and I said, seriously?
		And he texts me back and he says, we win by addition, not subtraction.
		I go, well, you just subtracted me out of the movement.
		I said, because I don't support you anymore.
		He goes back for seconds.
		He goes on Twitter and says, Nick Fuentes and his focus on race and religion does not fit with my message of inclusive populism.
		Inclusive populism.
		That doesn't sound like authentic America first.
		That sounds like bullshit to me.
		And I don't know.
		I know he's your friend, but I don't know him that well.
		I'm not on the team.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I, I, so.
		So my read on Joe Kent was he's totally sincere.
		He, like me, has always been committed to separating out like foreign policy views from ethnicity, not because, I mean, obviously I'm denounced as an anti-Semite every day.
		So I don't really care what ADL thinks of me, but my Christian faith tells me that there's no such thing as blood guilt and virtue or sin is not inherited.
		It's not a feature of DNA.
		So every person must be assessed individually as God assesses each person individually.
		And that's like a foundational view.
		So I always thought it's great to criticize and question like our relationship with Israel because it's insane and it hurts us.
		We get nothing out of it.
		I completely agree with you there.
		But the second you're like, well, actually, it's the Jews.
		First of all, it's against my Christian faith.
		Like, I just don't believe that and I never will, period.
		And second, then it becomes a way to discredit.
		That's when I was like, this guy's a Fed.
		I was totally convinced you were a Fed because I was like, here he's bear hugging like the one sincere guy who lost his wife in Syria thanks to the fucking crazy wars, neocon wars.
		And he's discredited.
		He's doing the David Duke.
		Like David Duke would always, every time I rolled out a new show, he would issue an endorsement of the show.
		I've never met the guy.
		What's that?
		Well, it's the feds, obviously.
		He's trying to destroy me by association.
unidentified		Whatever.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You see the point?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But so let me ask you this.
		So if I'm supporting Joe Kent, I'm David Duke bear hugging.
		If I attack Joe Kent, I'm attacking the only sincere America first.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
		I mean, I do get it.
		And I just want to say I love Joe Kent.
		I don't, I can't get into it.
		Having been denounced by a lot of people I like, I know what that feels like.
		So I definitely am sympathetic to that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It was denounced by someone like last night.
		That was a hurt my feelings.
		You know what I mean?
		Whatever.
		I'm not even going to say what her name is, but I helped her.
		I liked her.
		You know, it's like, why are you denouncing me?
		Why don't you call me?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I get that.
		I guess the two problem.
		But then on the other hand, like one of my favorite people in the world is Glenn Greenwald.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I love Glenn.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what a good man.
		Glenn must have spent like 10 years attacking me full time.
		Tucker Carlson is da-da-da-da-da.
		And he was, some of his criticism was correct, actually, you know, a tool of the neocons, endorsing these fucking wars.
		Like he was right, but he really hated me.
		And then when we started to agree on stuff, I was like, you know what?
		It's not about me.
		I don't care.
		Like, I don't want personal peak or my hurt feelings to govern my behavior.
		That's what I'm saying.
		I'm not lecturing you.
		I get it.
		But I feel like, okay, he pissed you off.
		It's in a campaign.
		He's got 19 consultants.
unidentified		This kid's a Nazi.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Be careful of him.
unidentified		Like, I don't know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Let it go.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I, I totally agree with you, by the way.
		And, um, and that's why I don't take it personally at all.
		Like, and I like you.
		I've said very positive things about you on my show as well.
		I think.
		And I know, but I mean to say that my goal is America first.
		It's not about me.
		It's not about my personality.
		It's about winning for America, you know, and by winning, I mean, we want to see our vision realized.
		But with Joe, for me, it was very specific that he said inclusive populism.
		And I really didn't like that because to me, there were a lot of similar phrases at this time, multiracial working class populism, this kind of stuff.
		And I said, you know, on some level, we do need to be exclusive, not inclusive.
		We do need to be right wing.
		We do need to be Christian.
		We do, on some level, need to be pro-white, not to the exclusion of everybody else, but recognizing that white people have a special heritage here as Americans.
		And so the reason I opposed him in 22 was not because I was mad, but it was to say America first cannot backslide into this kind of inclusive populism message, which I perceive to be more like GOP slop.
		And I'll tell you, when he ran again in 24, I did not oppose him.
		I did not oppose him.
		And I would have supported him if he had reached out or something like that.
		Because for me, it was very political and professional.
		I wanted to impose a cost.
		If you disavow someone because they criticize Israel, if you disavow someone for talking about white people and Christianity, I said, we can't let that slide because, and you understand why he did it.
		Like I don't, on some level, I don't hold it against him in the sense that there is such a strong incentive.
		It's easy to say, I disavow all these crazy Christians and all these crazy white nationalists because it buys you wiggle room with people that are attacking you.
		It's like easy to throw them under the bus and say, I'm one of the good guys.
		And so I said, it's too easy.
		We need to push in the other direction and say, you should feel less comfortable saying that people shouldn't talk about their race and religion.
		Maybe you'll think twice next time.
		And that I, so I did it for a very specific reason.
		And I get that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What I do think is bad, just objectively bad and destructive is the all Jews are guilty or all anybody is guilty of anything, because that's just like not true.
		And we don't believe that as Christians.
		I mean, my hero in life is Paul, because you call him Saint Paul, Saul of Tarsus, a Pharisee.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And meets Jesus and becomes this just incredible man, incredibly brave, smart, loving, like everything you want to be as a man.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He was Jew.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So like, you know, and God did that to him.
		So it's like, you can't, I think that's an important, and I don't think it's like mushy liberal bullshit, which I hate.
		I hate all the language that you're describing.
		I get why it offends you because it's code for, I don't really believe what I'm saying.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I have a PhD on the subject, so I know.
		But I also think there's like a true, not just principle, but like spiritual reality that we have to defend, which is God created every person as an individual, not as a group.
		No woman gave birth to a community.
		Like we hate that kind of thinking, right?
		Collectivist thinking like that.
		That's identity politics.
		That's what Dave Rubin engages in.
		That's why Dave is like a just a child.
		Like you don't pay any attention to Dave because he's like shallow.
		But we're not going to be that, right?
		Or no?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I completely agree with you.
		And, you know, like, and not to be that guy and say that thing, but like my best friend is a Jewish person.
		You know, but here, but here's my, I guess here's my substantive disagreement because as a Catholic, I could not agree more with you in what you're saying.
		I love all people, even the ones that don't like us.
		We have to love them all.
		And we have to recognize that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We're required to.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		And especially Aquinas says the Jews are a witness people.
		And so they actually have special protections under the law, according to Catholic philosophy.
		But I guess my substantive disagreement, which I've said on the show also, is the idea that neoconservatism and Israel has nothing to do with Jewishness, Jewish identity, the Jewish religion, because clearly the state of Israel and the neocons are deeply motivated by that ethnic identity and their allegiance to Israel proceeds from that.
		You know, the plan of greater Israel, the blood and soil nationalism of Israel, it stems from this ethno-religion, which is Judaism.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is, you know, just BLM, the new version.
		This is identity politics.
		They're engaging in identity politics.
		I mean, that's just so obvious to me.
		But the problem in your response, so you're, I mean, I get what you're saying, but the problem in your response is it does not apply to every individual.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, and I would never say that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I just think it's important to say that not to kind of like dodge the accusations against you.
		My best friends are Jewish.
		Like, okay, I agree.
		Embarrassing, even though it's probably true.
		And it's true in my case, actually.
		But whatever.
		But because just that principle that we're all judged as individuals by what we do, our faith, the decisions that we make, the way we live our lives, and God will judge every one of us in that way.
		And that's how we're supposed to judge.
		Like, is that, I think that's true.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I, and I totally agree.
		But I guess the disagreement is you, you say identity politics like it's a bad thing.
		I think identity is a reality.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Identity is a reality.
		Absolutely.
		You just can't have a country of 350 million this diverse where it's just like warring ethnicities because then it's just it's I mean, it's Rwanda soon.
		And, you know, the people with the most force just kill the others.
		So like you can't have that here.
		Right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And, but I would say specifically as it pertains to, you know, you, I think, have said it's, it's the neocons, it's the neocons.
		And I think that neoconservatism, where does it arise from?
		It arises from Jewish leftists who were mugged by reality when they saw the surprise attack in the Yom Kippur War.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, that's a lot of it for sure.
		But then like, how do you explain Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz?
		And they're a lot like that, John Bolton.
		I mean, I've known them all, George W. Bush, like Karl Rove.
		I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen like be seized by this brain virus.
		And they're not Jewish.
		Most of them are self-described Christians.
		And then the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists.
		Like, what is that?
		And I can just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody, you know, because like what?
		Because it's Christian heresy.
		And I'm offended with that as a Christian.
		That's why.
		So I don't like, why not?
		Like, I'm pissed at the neocons, very pissed.
		I've said that a million times.
		I've been mad since December of 2003 when I went to Iraq.
		And so like I went and hassled or hassled asked straightforward questions to Ted Cruz because that seemed like there's a sitting senator who's like serving for Israel by his own description.
		He seemed like a worthy target.
		I'm not going after MTG, who's like the most sincere person.
		Like, why not go after Ted Cruz?
		I don't understand.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, with Marjorie, I was a friend of hers and she spoke at my conference.
		And then the day after, she pretended like she didn't know me.
		And that was in 2022.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But it's things are, it's a continuum.
		Like you said yourself, you showed up in college.
		Like one set of views, they evolve as you interact with reality, as reality itself changes, as like you learn things, you grow, like whatever.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		People change.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and look, now that everyone agrees with me, I will graciously forgive them for being personal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like who cares?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's not personal for me.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like with Marjorie, if she wanted to, you know, be aligned or whatever, I would totally be on board with her.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But where do you disagree with her?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know because I don't know what her new views are.
		She's really only come around on Israel this year.
		And I've been talking about this issue for 10 years.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You win.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's not, but it's not like that.
		It's just, it's a little, it feels like BS to me that, and I said this on Twitter the other day.
		It's like I got treated like I didn't exist.
unidentified		Right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I got canceled for 10 years for saying these things.
		And that's really where all this drama comes from.
		A time when there was this intense censorship and nobody was on board with this stuff.
		Like again, Marjorie, she fired.
		One of my people was working in her office.
		She fired that guy because someone found out that a groiper was working in her office.
		And, you know, that guy got his life ruined.
		And she pretended like she didn't know me and lied and said, I had no idea the conference I was speaking at.
		She knew exactly what it was.
		And that's fine.
		But now that she's on the same page, there's like this expectation like, okay, well, you know, why did you have a problem with her in the past?
		It's like, because she was on the other team in the past.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, so was so was everybody.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So now are you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So what?
		I mean, why not?
		You don't, you want, it's got to be bigger than just like us, right?
		And it's not, I don't think, well, I'll speak for myself.
		I'm, I don't feel like I'm at war with the neocons or Israel.
		It's much bigger than that.
		It's like you want to restore America to a place where your grandchildren would enjoy growing up.
		That's it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I've, and as far as Marjorie, who cares?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Don't, you know what I mean?
		Like, okay, lots of people hurt my, if Dave Rubin called me tonight, which he would never do, though he has my cell, um, and said, you know, I'm really sorry I called you Hitler.
		Like, I didn't mean it.
		You're raising lots of legitimate questions, which I think I sort of agree with or am thinking about in a deeper way.
		I'd be like, great.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't care.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's, and look, Tucker, that's why I'm sitting here, you know?
		Right.
		I mean, because we had a contentious dialogue.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought you were a fed.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was a fed.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was a fed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'm not a fed.
		But whatever.
		I don't care what people are.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We showed each other a badge as we know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, but I thought you were a fed because I was like, why not?
		It's not cucking to say you're not talking about all Jews when you oppose a foreign policy position.
		It's not.
		There's nothing liberal about that.
		It's just true.
		That's the Christian position.
		Okay.
		And two, why are you attacking like the best people and not the worst people?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		I mean, again, he disavowed me for my views on Israel and said, I talk too much about white people and Christianity.
		And to me, that's like a sincere ideological disavow.
		I get it.
		And, you know, same thing with Marjorie.
		Marjorie fired my guy.
		She disavowed me.
		And, you know, and you worked with Blumenthal on that article, but you called me on the phone.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I, we, yeah, I mean, that's like from my perspective, I mean, this is all so stupid and inside baseball and whatever, but for just for the record, I was like, how, who, first of all, who is this kid?
		I'm working at Fox News.
		I'm, I'm aware there's an internet, but I'm more out of it than you may appreciate.
		And I'm like, out of nowhere, attacking this one.
		I had Joe Kent to my house and did this interview with him.
		And I'm always in search of a sincere politician.
		Not don't have to agree on everything, but I really believe sincerity is the whole game.
		If someone's heart is pure, he will be brave.
		I always have thought that.
		And it's turned out to be true.
		Marjorie's a perfect example.
		And that's all that matters.
		If you're afraid inside, if you're weak inside, you will crumble when it matters.
		So I really felt like, wow, Joe, I don't agree with him on everything, of course, but I was like, this guy is really sincere.
		He's like a good person.
		And then you show up and you're like, he's a CIA officer.
		And I'm going to, I mean, he was a CIA contractor, but like, really like crush the guy.
		And it's like, why of all people?
		You, you agree on 90% of stuff.
		You know, that was my view.
		And I was like, well, clearly this kid's a fed.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But you didn't know the whole story.
		I didn't.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And look, and now that, and I want to be, I'm not trying to be combative.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think go ahead.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not, you're not going to hurt my feelings.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, here's what I'm trying to say is now that Marjorie is pushing in the right direction, I absolutely support everything she's saying.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I've not been critical of her at all this year.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because I think that what she's doing is extremely courageous.
		And I think you're right.
		She is sincere.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So it sounds like you're, not to put words in your mouth, but your just your life experience has left you so stung by the Republican establishment.
		You've, you don't, you don't trust anybody.
		It sounds like.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I mean, these people attacked me when the rules were different.
		And now they got better.
		And now I'm good with them.
		I mean, I'm willing to be good with them, but I think that I don't know if Marjorie still has a problem with me or not.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I do know, though, and this is the last criticism I will level.
		And it's maybe not even your fault, but I do know that, you know, the coordinated attacks against totally reasonable questions about what's in America's interest and what's not.
		Those are all coordinated by the Israeli government.
		It's all come to light now.
		And they're against me.
		I've always thought I have the most world's most moderate position on Israel.
		Don't hate Israel.
		Just don't want to get involved in their wars.
		Don't want to pay for this.
		Don't want to pay for abortion on demand in a foreign country.
		Sorry.
		When we're cutting food stamps on our own, like this is outrageous.
		It's not America first.
		That's my view.
		Not embarrassed of it at all.
		They are totally determined to take me out.
		I think because I'm reasonable.
		Who would disagree with that?
		And call me all these names, the most dangerous anti-Semite.
		I'm not even an anti-Semite.
		And they're not doing that to you because this is my view.
		And it's not necessarily your fault, but because they're like, Fuentes discredits the reasonable people because he's always banging on about the Jews, the Jews.
		And so he makes everyone else look like a Nazi.
		And so it's like, he's playing a pretty valuable role in the same way that Israel has always funded extremism throughout the Middle East, including Hamas, because it discredits the reasonable people.
		That's a fact.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I would just say disagree.
		I mean, you know, because you say, you said the other day, they like me.
		I don't know what you're talking about when you say that because let me just kind of reflect that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I'm not saying you have anything to do with this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying I've noticed a phenomenon.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
		And I just reject that because they have been messing with me for my entire adult life.
		I mean, the ADL got me banned on YouTube.
		The SPLC posted my house on their website.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean posted your house?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They posted a photo of my house on their website.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How can they do that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's a free speech thing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The SPLC posted a picture of your house on their website.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		When?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		In 2022.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Actually?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they wrote an article.
		They said Nick Fuent has bought a building in this city.
		And they said we interviewed his neighbors and property records reveal this and that.
		And on the front page, the picture for the article is my house where I live.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And then someone showed up with a gun and tried to kill you at that house.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So that's why I say, you know, you say, well, they're not doing this to you.
		It's like the ZOA, the SPLC, the ADL, the Daily Wire, all these groups have been on me for years.
		So that's news to me if they're really endorsing my activities.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It could just be my perception.
		But I guess what I'm saying is as someone who thinks his own views are like completely reasonable, pass every smell test.
		You could x-ray my soul.
		I don't think there's a lot of hate in there.
		And to the extent that they do make me feel hateful, the people who attack me, I do like say prayers about it.
		I don't, we're not allowed to hate people as we forgive those who trespass against us.
		That's like our core prayer.
		So I just feel like it's the, I don't know.
		Am I being paranoid?
		I feel like going on about the Jews like helps the neocons.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about my views do you think are unreasonable, if yours are reasonable?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think, again, I just, I don't think it's kucky.
		I think it's reality to say that guilt is not inherited.
		Blood guilt is bad.
		One of the reasons that I'm mad about Gaza is because the Israeli position is everyone who lives in Gaza is a terrorist because of how they were born, including the women and the children.
		That's not a Western view.
		That's an Eastern view.
		That's a non-Christian.
		That's totally incompatible with Christianity and Western civilization.
		They say, or the offenders of Western civilization, not with that attitude.
		You're not collective punishment.
		He's the enemy of Western civilization.
		Yeah.
		And so I hate that attitude.
		It's genocidal.
		The current claims that I'm a cancer, you know, from Ben Shapiro or whatever, we need to be excised from the body of conservatism is a genocidal position that it basically encourages violence, as they well know.
		The whole thing I hate.
		So like anytime you say a whole group of people is responsible for the sins of some of its members, like I'm out.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's not my view.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
unidentified		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what are, so tell me your views.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like rather than you're one of those people, one of the reasons I wanted to meet you is you're one of those people who is defined by clips.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm one of those people also.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I get it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to just shut up and you tell me what you actually believe.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, and listen, I mean, and I appreciate you saying that because it's, that's just the reality of the media environment we're in.
		So if you, I don't expect you to know all my views.
		But I mean, as far as the Jews are concerned, I think that, like I said, you cannot actually divorce Israel and the neocons and all those things that you talk about from Jewishness, ethnicity, religion, identity.
		And let me give you like a perfect example.
		So you say on your show that we need to treat Israel like any other country.
		And I sort of understand that in principle because Israel is another foreign country.
		Yeah.
		But Israel is unlike every other country in the sense that because the Jewish people are in a diaspora all over the world, there are significant numbers of Jews in Europe, but also in the United States.
		And because of their unique heritage and story, which is that they're a stateless people, they're unassimilable.
		They resist assimilation for thousands of years.
		And I think that's a good thing.
		And now they have this territory in Israel.
		There's a deep religious affection for the state.
		It's bound up in their identity, the story of the exodus from Egypt, the promise of the land, all these things.
		So let's say in the United States, for example, somebody like Ishelden Adelson, he's not Israeli.
		Is he an ideological neocon?
		Does he believe in the promise of democratic globalism?
		I don't think necessarily.
		His heart is in Israel.
		And it's because he is a proud Jewish person.
		And I guess what I'm saying is that if you are a Jewish person in America, you're sort of, and again, it's not because they're born, but it's sort of a rational self-interest politically to say, I'm a minority.
		I'm a religious ethnic minority.
		This is not really my home.
		My ancestral home is in Israel.
		There's like a natural affinity that Jews have for Israel.
		And I would say on top of that, for the international Jewish community, they're extremely organized.
		And many of them are critical of Israel or Israel's current government or the project of Israel.
		But I guess what they have in common, unlike, let's say, like Singapore, for example, is that they have this international community across borders, extremely organized, that is putting the interests of themselves before the interests of their home country.
		And there's like, there's no other country that has a similar arrangement like that.
		No other country has a strong identity like that, this religious blood and soil conviction, this history of being in the diaspora, stateless, wandering, persecuted.
		And in particular, the historic animosity between the Jewish people and the Europeans.
		They hate the Romans because the Romans destroyed the temple.
		That's why Eric Weinstein goes to the Arch of Titus and gives it the finger and takes a picture.
		We don't think like that as Americans and white people.
		We don't think about the Roman Empire and 2,000 years ago.
		They do.
		And so I guess that's really, and I don't think that's me saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
		I don't think that's me being hateful.
		I don't think that's me being collectivist.
		I think that's understanding that identity politics, whether you love it or hate it, whatever you feel about it, it's a reality that we live in a world of Jews and Christians, of whites and blacks.
		These identities mean something to us and they mean things to each other.
		And we can't sort of wish them away.
		And it feels like white people and Christians are the only ones that do that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about that, your last point, for sure.
		One of the reasons they do that is because they've been taught to hate themselves, of course, since the Second World War.
		Another reason is, however, the reality of a multi-ethnic country requires you to sort of set aside community or group interests in favor of corporate interests, universal interests, national interests.
		And you have to do that or else it doesn't work.
		And so, you know, I agree those attitudes.
		I mean, certainly in other parts of the world, people think this way, but you can't have that here.
		And so it's just important to remind everybody that, yeah, you know, things may be generally true, but like, again, they're not always true.
		And there are people who just strongly disagree.
		And by the way, in the specific case of Israel, there are a ton of Orthodox who I know who are opposed to the state of Israel.
		They're just Jewish.
		They're more Jewish than Dave Rubin, a lot more.
		And yet they oppose it.
		Jeff Sachs is like the most wonderful man, the most Jewish, the most articulate kind of critic of the state of Israel that I'm aware of.
		So like, I don't know, that's just meaningful.
		You can't, if it's, if everything is inherited, then there's no hope for the continuation of America.
		Do you see that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't.
		And I don't think it's genetically inherited.
		And what you're saying about putting aside the tribal interest for the corporate interests, that's absolutely the case.
		And that's the only way the country is going to stay together.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And that's my concern.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I absolutely agree with you.
		I would say, though, that the main challenge to that, a big challenge to that is organized Jewry in America.
		I don't think Bill Ackman is capable of that.
		I don't think Shell Nadelson is capable of that.
		I don't think Joram Hazzoni is capable of that, for that matter.
		And many other, you know, on the right and the left.
		And I see it.
		I see Jewishness as the common denominator.
		And you're right.
		It's not all Jewish people feel the same way.
		No one would say that, but that does seem to be the common denominator.
		And I just feel like it needs to be called out explicitly.
		And I like what you said the other day.
		If you're serving in another country's military or have dual citizenship, you really can't be a part of this project.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's just, that's an easy one, but I am much more comfortable as a Christian and an American keeping it on that level because, you know, it's easy to just set rules that universal rules that apply to everyone, not just the Jews or the Christians or anybody, just like Americans can only serve in the U.S. military or they lose their passport.
		I mean, I don't know.
		That's not hard.
		And I don't know.
		Why not want to just say that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Say what?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That.
		Why not make every statement about how Americans ought to behave applicable to all Americans?
		Like it's the defense of universal values that will hold the country together and the emphasis on proclaimer group values that will break it apart inevitably.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because this is a particular issue and it's acute.
		Like I said, I think they are unique in that way.
		I think that's a unique issue, especially in the Republican Party, especially in the conservative scene.
		And, you know, this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So how would you like this all to be resolved?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What I would like is for the U.S. government to not be influenced by these kinds of foreign allegiances, not with money that comes from, you know, American citizens like Sheldon Adelson, not from foreign lobbyists.
		So, I mean, in terms of tangible things, I don't think we disagree on any of it, like registering AIPAC and FARA, banning dual citizenship.
		Like, I'm basically in agreement.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		80% of the public agrees with those.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So that's kind of what gets me a little bit annoyed.
		It's like these are like America First, the concept.
		It's the most popular, self-evidently true idea you could have.
		Like, don't let foreign powers, especially tiny ones far away, control your country.
		Like, of course not.
		Everyone agrees with that on both sides.
		Yeah.
		So the trick is not to let that idea get subverted.
		Does that make sense?
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I'm, I think we agree on that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But it's subverted when they're like, that's hate.
		No, that's hate.
		It's not hate.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, and, you know, here's what I will say.
		I think that there is increasingly a contingent because what you're talking about exists.
		When you say that there are people that legitimately detract from this, there is legitimate racial hatred out there.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And it's growing.
		And I know people on our side are afraid to talk about it because they know, like you said, they're going to get called a cuck or a squish or whatever.
		And I agree with you.
		The people that are detracting from that need to be called out.
		And I think there should be no harbor for cruelty, hatred, prejudice, those kinds of things.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And some of them, I'm sorry to be a conspiracy nut.
		I really try not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know.
		But after January 6th and just finding out the number of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like, and I've just seen this, David Duke is a great example.
		Some of these are the Charlottesville rally had a bunch of feds there being like, we're white supremacists.
		We hate the blacks.
		You know, using the N-word, whatever.
		You know, it's like, that's not real.
		Like, there is some of that going on, don't you think?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that there's a lot of sincere people for sure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I are completely agree.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You know, and they're just numbskulls.
		And some of them are legitimately, they see the opening that there's legitimate critique of this and they see an opening to air out their grievances.
		They get a license to, they think it's okay now.
		And I do think it's important to differentiate and say that fundamentally, I guess the word that I would use, I've been thinking about this a lot lately is reassurance because I think there's a legitimate, there is a legitimate need to reassure people.
		And this is kind of what I've been doing on these podcasts that we don't want to harm anybody.
		We don't want to kill anybody.
		We don't want to harm anybody.
		We just want to put America first.
		And I guess, you know, to the extent that I've been taken out of context over the years or things like that, I'm trying to set the record straight and say, you know, and I appreciate you've given me this opportunity.
		These are my real views.
		I'm not one of those haters, let's say.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think people should be allowed to describe what they think.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's like a basic human autonomy question.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like, if I want to know what you think, I should just ask you and let you talk.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what's going to, who's going to be president?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Who should be president next?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Who should be president?
		Well, Yay, of course.
		Kanye.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You had dinner with Trump.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I did.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And Kanye.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What did you think of that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It was surreal because those are my two heroes.
		Those are my two like number one heroes of all time.
		I've always been a Kanye West fan.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You like the music first?
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The music, the fashion, everything.
		Really?
		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you wear those weird one-piece shoes?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		You actually do?
		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like in public?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You don't think that's cool?
unidentified		I don't know what I think.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'll get you some.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've worn the same clothes since high school.
		Don't ask me about clothes.
		I'm not good at that at all.
		That's hilarious.
		So, but you, so you've always been a fan.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And huge fan.
		You described your love for Trump, like sincere childhood love for Trump.
		So what was it like to find yourself at dinner with them?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was funny because it was literally Thanksgiving dinner.
		It was three days before Thanksgiving.
		So not only was it dinner, but it's I'm having Thanksgiving dinner with Ye and Trump at the same table.
		And these are like my heroes.
		And I mean, the way that it went was sort of interesting.
		Ye is sort of shy.
		He deeply admires Trump.
		He loves Trump.
		And I like that about him because Ye really admires anybody that's an industrialist.
		He loves builders, visionaries, architects.
		He's very into that.
		So he has a deep regard for Trump.
		And so at the beginning, it was a little awkward because he wouldn't talk.
		And he was sort of shy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Which is surprising, right?
		Because he's so outspoken.
		But Trump was trying to get him to talk.
		And he was, it was, it was kind of like a boomer moment because Trump was trying to get him to talk about like opportunity zones.
		He was giving him like the black voter pitch, you know, the black Republican.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		And I was like, dude, like, he's not that kind of Republican, to say the least.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You know, fair.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		At this point, I think people know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what were you saying?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, so eventually, you know, Trump didn't have a lot of luck with him.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So he's kind of fielding the table and he's talking to me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And Trump does like other people to talk.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he likes to talk too.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But he asks questions.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he does.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		More than you would think.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's a great, he's a good guy, fundamentally.
		He's a very warm guy.
		So he was asking everybody, you know, what's up and who are you?
		And we got to talking.
		And, you know, I guess it was going too well because I was being very complimentary of Trump.
		And Ye was kind of kicking me and saying, like, you know, a couple of days prior, we were talking about if Trump and Ye wind up on the debate stage, what is that going to look like?
		And I was coaching Ye, like, these are his weak areas.
		Like, this is where we got to attack Trump.
		And so Ye was like, tell him what you were saying the other day.
		Tell him what you were saying last night.
		And I was like, dude, that's our playbook.
		Like, we don't want to blow up our.
		And Trump was like, go ahead, don't be bashful.
		Tell me, what is it?
		And I said, you know what?
		I said, I said, I think you're one of the greatest living Americans.
		I said, I'm a young guy.
		I said, I really have nothing to say other than thank you.
		I have nothing but gratitude for what you've done for the country.
		I said, it's really not my place, you know, to give you advice or correct you.
		And he said, no, no, don't be bashful.
		Tell me.
		And the story that I brought up was, this was really what sent me in the first Fox News debate in 2015 in the Republican primary.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Brett Baer, the first question said, raise your hand if you will not pledge to support the eventual nominee.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And Trump raised his hand because that's what he was saying.
		He said, you know, if I don't win, I'll run independent and I'll make Republicans lose.
		And so I brought that up and I told that story and I said, you know, I said, I feel like what was inspiring in 16 is that you were willing to let the Republican establishment lose.
		Like you were serious about blowing them up such that you were not going to say, like Pat Buchanan, who I respect, but Sam Francis acknowledged that was one of his great mistakes was ultimately endorsing Bush.
		I said, you, it showed you were serious.
		You were playing to win because you said, I will let this Republican party crash and burn.
		I want to run as the Republican, but if I can't, I'll run independent.
		I said, and that's how I knew you were serious.
		And that's how I knew you were the guy.
		I said, and I feel like lately, this was right after Ronna McDaniel became the head of the RNC again.
		I was like, I feel like lately, you're just behind all these people.
		I said, we're not here for Kevin McCarthy.
		We're not here for Rhana McDaniel or Mitch McConnell.
		I said, we are here for you.
		Like, we will die for you.
		We are loyal to you.
		I said, and when you did that, that showed you could win.
		And we rallied.
		I said, so I want to see more like that.
		I want to see you hit DeSantis, let's say, who is running against him.
		And he was like, oh, okay.
		He goes, oh, so you like that?
		It was right after he called him DeSanctimonious.
		I said, that was awesome.
		You should have kept hitting him.
		He's like, oh, you like that.
		He goes, this guy's hardcore.
		I like this guy he was saying about me.
		And so I was trying to just get like get his mojo back, you know, and, you know, gas him up a little bit.
		And so that's how it went between me and him.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And what was Ye saying at this point?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he, he was sort of, he was beaming with pride because Trump turns to him and says, who is this guy?
		This guy's great.
		And Ye was like, right.
		And I was like, this is just, this is amazing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did you call your parents from the parking lot?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You'll never believe me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I try never to think like, how will this be perceived?
		It's better just to like be as honest as you can be all the time.
		And, you know, and honest people will respond, agree or disagree, but they'll feel your sincerity and your honesty.
		But there are always people who are going to like distort it.
		And I recounted the basically the Christian gospel at Charlie Kirk's memorial service.
		And everyone's like, you're an anti-semite.
		I literally didn't have one thought about Jewish people.
		I had nothing to do with that.
		It was whatever.
		So, but I was thinking about this conversation, which I'm sure I can't imagine what that in the ways that it'll be distorted.
		But I, I do hope that people who want to learn what's happening and who you are will watch the whole thing.
		It's probably a naive hope that it won't be reduced to whatever you're saying, something naughty and me laughing.
		And see, they're both Nazis.
		I mean, you know, that's going to happen, of course.
		But I'm willing to take that risk because I just think it's important to know you're clearly ascendant.
		You're enormously talented.
		You're more talent than I am, for sure, as a talker.
		So, and they've, you know, there have been a lot of attempts to silence you and it hasn't worked.
		So, my calculation, I'll just be as blunt as I can be.
unidentified		It's like, George, I don't want to have Fuentes on.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's going to be like, you, but you're a Nazi just like Fuentes.
		Okay.
		But then I'm like, I don't think Fuentes is going away.
		Ben Shapiro tried to like strangle him in the crib in college and now he's bigger than ever.
		So it probably would just be worth hearing what Nick Fuentes thinks.
		I just want to be transparent about my motives here.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So those are my motives.
		Let me ask you, I referred earlier to the assassination attempt against you, and it's very fashionable among the permanent victim class.
		Like every BLM leader was, oh, they're trying to kill me or Seth, whatever from the Babylon B. People are trying to kill me.
		And people use threats against them, which are like daily for a lot of us, as a way to kind of make themselves unassailable or immune from criticism or to attack their enemies.
		Your words inspired violence.
		What is stochastic terrorist?
		I can't even pronounce it.
		You know, it's like some academic term, whatever.
		But you had a real assassination attempt, like an actual one, which got no publicity that I recall.
		What happened?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, you know, it was after the election last year.
		I put out this tweet and I said, your body, my choice on election night.
		And, you know, I wasn't, look, I'm not going to apologize for it, but I thought it was like a weak, it's like a lame joke.
		It's kind of like the most obvious term phrase.
		So I wasn't, I had other good jokes that night, but that was like the one that caught on because I just think it captured the imagination of liberals who were like, it's over for us, which it kind of is, you know, but in some ways.
		But so I put that out there.
		I didn't even vote for Trump, but I put that tweet out.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I didn't vote for it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't vote at all.
		I just recused myself.
		But that's just what makes it ironic because I became in some ways emblematic of the election, even though I didn't participate.
		But so it got 100 million impressions on Twitter.
		And people were saying on the news that kids were saying it in school.
		It was on like the news that in middle schools and high schools, the boys were saying that to the girls.
		Your body, my choice.
		So it became this thing where it's like, he's creating this toxic environment for women.
		So the internet lost its mind and people then started posting my address online because they were so unhappy with the tweet.
		And so on TikTok and on Twitter, a screenshot of my address, my phone number, all my personal information.
		It went viral.
		And when I say viral, I mean there were multiple tweets that got 20 million views with my whole readout, all my information.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like your actual address, where you spend the night.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where I live, where I do my show, all of it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I started to see it.
		So the election Tuesday, obviously, it was like Thursday that my address starts blowing up.
		I was going to do a show Friday and someone shows up to my house.
		Some weird looking guy shows up to my house and just walks through the yard, walks through the gangway into the backyard and is just circling my house and then goes away.
		So we call the cops, me and my producer, and we said, maybe we shouldn't do a show tonight.
		And that weekend, we hired private security just for the weekend.
		Like 200 people.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did you have security?
unidentified		No.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't have security.
		Well, I didn't then.
		Of any kind.
		I didn't have cameras or anything even.
		I had nothing.
unidentified		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was raw dogging it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which was not smart, maybe, but never had a problem like that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've always lived that way too.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But so that weekend, we hired a security guard just to park his car outside the house and monitor things.
		Literally 200 people came to your house.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Not all at once, but one after the other, driving by, yelling, walking by, throwing eggs.
		Multiple people threw eggs at my house, ordering pizzas, ordering DoorDash, whatever, walking through the gangway.
		It was like a war zone.
		Like this security guard was yelling at people all night and it went on all weekend.
		And then it went on throughout the next week and the next weekend.
		And it was bad.
		I got out of my house.
		I went to a hotel for a week while this was happening, waited for it to blow over.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did you do your show from the hotel?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I took a week off.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did you announce any of this in public?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I had to keep it very.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want to track more of it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You know, because if you say, oh, they're here, then people go, oh, no, we got to keep up the pressure, you know, or turn it up.
		And people at that time were talking about burning my house down.
		Like on TikTok, there were viral videos of people saying we're going to burn his house down.
		And then they dox my parents' address.
		People are showing up to my parents' house.
		It got really bad.
		And eventually it just blew over.
		About a month passed.
		And at that time, so it was like mid-December, mid-late December.
		It's actually funny.
		It was December 18th.
		I remember because that's an important date to me.
		And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday.
		Oh, I'm a fan.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're a fan of Stalin's.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's an admirer.
unidentified		But we don't need to go into that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Let's okay.
		Let's get back to this.
		We'll circle back to that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It was weird because the reason I mentioned that it was almost like because I woke up that day and I was like, oh, it's December 18th.
		And I was just like very acutely aware of like, today's like a strange day.
		This is the day that the attempt happened.
		And so nothing had been happening for weeks at this point.
		So election's like, what, November 3rd, month and a half has passed.
		Nobody's coming to my house anymore, rarely.
		And I'm doing my show like normal.
		And I'm reaching the end of the show.
		And I see out of the corner of my eye, I get an alert from my ring doorbell camera that somebody's at the front door.
		And so I'm reading through my super chats.
		I'm going through live chat on the air.
		Yeah, I'm live.
		And, you know, I'm working through the messages and I'm keeping an eye on it.
		And I see that this guy has a loaded gun.
		The guys laugh.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, so you're live, live, and you see that there's a guy with a gun outside your door.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's got a motorcycle helmet and a backpack.
		He's got a gun drawn and he's knocking on the door yelling.
		And the thing is, I didn't want to tip him off that I knew he was there because I thought I don't want him to get the drop on me or something.
		You know, I just didn't want to give him any information about, you know, because I don't know if he's listening to my show.
		If I start freaking out or cancel the show, I don't know.
		Maybe he knows more about my movements inside.
		So I keep the show going for like a minute and I wrap it up very quickly.
		I finish the show.
		My producer comes running in and I say, Who is that?
		What's going on?
		And he goes, Oh, I called the cops.
		They're here.
		The guy's gone.
		I said, Okay, good.
		So I start getting changed out of my suit and I hear gunshots go off outside.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I literally like jump to the ground because I'm like, I don't know what's happening here.
		And I step outside for a minute after the dust kind of settles.
		And there's like 10 cop cars all up and down the street and they have the whole block locked down.
		Police tape everywhere.
		There's like a dozen cops.
		Like I said, the whole block is shut down.
		The alley is shut down.
		And they go, get back inside.
		Get back inside.
		We have no idea what's going on.
		We have no idea what happened.
		And they wouldn't let me or my producer leave until the morning.
		That's how late they were there.
		And finally, at the end of the night, after all the cops left, I came out in the very early morning.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did no one come and explain any of this to you?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, nobody said anything.
		Yeah, it's ridiculous.
		And finally, I go out in the morning and I asked the guy, okay, what happened?
		He told me the story.
		And so it turns out that it's this young guy.
		He's 23 years old, white nerd, short guy.
		He was at U of I, University of Illinois in Urbana, Champaign, about two hours south of where I live.
		He killed three people earlier in the day.
		He went to his roommate's house, college roommate's house, killed his roommate, killed the sister, the guy's mother, got in his car and drove directly to my house, parked outside my house, got out a 22 pistol and an automatic crossbow.
		Weird choice.
		And he knocked on the door, which is where I saw him.
		He went around the house.
		He tried, he tried the back door, tried the front door.
		And the cops pulled up.
		He took off running through the gangway, hopped the fence, ran into the neighbor's house.
		I guess he went into the neighbor's basement because the door was unlocked.
		He was hiding from the police.
		He shot two of their dogs, which is devastating.
		He runs back outside and the cops see him.
		He shoots at the cops.
		The cops shot him in the face and he dies on the spot.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What was his motive?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They never told me.
		To this day, I have no idea.
		There's no.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They never told you?
unidentified		No.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what contact did you have with the police after this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They came by about a week later.
		Illinois State Police came to retrieve the ring camera footage of the whole incident.
		And so they had me download that onto a thumb drive.
		And that's it.
		I never heard from the cops, never heard from the government.
		Not at all?
		No, nothing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		A guy comes to murder you.
		He's murdered three other people and two dogs.
		He gets shot to death and no one bothers to tell you anything.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is it really a country at this point?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what was his motive?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
		So the story that I read online, because obviously the news followed up on this and they said that, so he was like five foot five.
		He got, I guess he was involved with drugs, actually, with his roommate.
		They sold drugs together, something like that.
		They had a falling out over the drug money or something like that.
		The roommate beat the shit out of him so bad he dropped out of school.
		He had this major falling out with the roommate, but they were close, had a big falling out.
		The shooter took him to small claims court over some money.
		And I guess this guy was just in a downward spiral.
		He lost his job.
		He got in a hit and run crash and ran from the police.
		Then he was swearing at the cops when they showed up to arrest him.
		And I guess his life just kept getting worse and worse and worse.
		I assume he took it out on the roommate and popped it off.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Killed the whole family.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's horrifying, but how do you fit into that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So this is just my opinion, speculation.
		This is like a month after Luigi Mangion.
		He had on a, and the shooter at my house had on a motorcycle helmet in like a costume.
		And so I think he was maybe like a copycat of Luigi Mangion.
		He thought he was going to be like a hero and assassinate some reviled political figure who was going viral at that time, being hated for that tweet.
		So I think that might have been the motive, but that's pure speculation.
		I have no idea.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a well-documented fact that all kinds of bad actors use unstable people for political assassinations, right?
		It's happened.
		We know it's happened.
		So do you think this might be an example of that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, but it's certainly possible.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The reason I say I don't think it's kind of funny.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think of you as conspiracy-minded, but you don't have a conspiracy in mind here.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, because I really believe that when you look at all these things, and by these things, I mean these like really disturbing instances of violence like Luigi Mangion or Charlie Kirk or these school shootings, there is something going on with these kids.
		It's nihilism.
		It's these people that are maybe mentally defective, extremely online.
		I think there's like a real problem there.
		And I don't doubt that sometimes these people are involved with maybe a foreign government or they're being groomed or put up to it by an operative.
		But I think to assume that it's always that ignores that like there's a very real problem of nihilistic surrealist violence that comes from young people.
		And, you know, like this guy killed, it's a triple homicide out of nowhere.
		And then he tries to kill me.
		I think he just went crazy, but I could be wrong.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Describe the circumstances that have led to this violence.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like how does a normal kid, young man, go from being a normal young man to being a murderer?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that it has a lot to do.
		If you read through all these stories, they always have a few things in common, which is that, and people have pointed this out.
		This is not new.
		SSRIs are always a big one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But what that points to is a depressive streak.
		It's always somebody that is a loner, socially dislocated or socially dysfunctional.
		You know, they don't have many real life friends, engage in real life activities, slip through the cracks.
		That's always how it starts.
		Then they get into either they're medicated by a therapist with SSRIs or they self-medicate, which is extremely common with alcohol, weed, which is extremely potent now.
		And you could get THC from like a vape pen.
		So it's very powerful, very accessible.
		You know, when I was in high school, my stoner friends would have to like go on a walk to the park and roll a joint.
		Now with the vape, you can hit that anywhere, I guess.
unidentified		Of course.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's very discreet.
		They also do psychedelics.
		I think that's a huge part of it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And how is that a huge part of it?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that a lot of them get turned on.
		They'll do alcohol, marijuana.
		And then I think they get into psychedelics like LSD or MDMA.
		And I think Those things induce psychosis, these psychoactive drugs, whether it's marijuana by itself or it's LSD, I think they tend to induce psychosis and exacerbate those like existing problems.
		And basically, what happens, I would say that that is maybe the next step.
		And then the other ingredient that's always there is although they don't have a social life in the real world, they have a social life on the internet.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And so they're deeply involved in obscure internet forums, Discord, gaming communities.
		Increasingly, chat GPT is inducing psychosis.
		People talk to ChatGPT all day, all night.
		And you basically have between the three of these things, they kind of go into like a different world between the psychoactive substances, the make-believe reality of the internet, totally disconnected from the real world.
		I think they enter into like this delusional state.
		And I think that's where that shooter in Minneapolis, I think that's what that was.
		I think if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's been some interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend.
		It's the same story there, if that's true.
		And I would imagine it was not dissimilar with the guy that showed up and tried to kill me.
		I think those are always the ingredients that produce that kind of violence.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting.
		Your audience, as I imagine it, I've never seen any of your numbers.
		I don't even know how big your audience is.
		It seems big to me, but I think of them as young men because that's the bulk of your audience, right?
		Yes.
		And yet here you are criticizing weed and video games and the internet, and you work on the internet.
		You are a creation.
		I mean, you wouldn't exist without the internet.
		Of course.
		You didn't get a job at NBC News.
		So what kind of reaction do you get when you say, when you criticize weed gaming and the internet to young men?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of them agree with it because they get it.
		It's their life.
		A lot of them, that's their life.
		Their life is, and another thing we didn't even bring up is the porn thing, which is there also.
		This is their life.
		Weed, gaming, porn.
		And I think they know it's bad.
		I think they know there's like some sense of guilt.
		And so it's interesting.
		I would say it's maybe an 80-20 split where 20% say, oh, you're against weed.
		Not cool, man.
		It's just a plant.
		You know, they're very defensive about it, about these addictions.
		And I think 80% say, I know I have a problem.
		Like, I have a guilty conscience.
		I know it's bad.
		I know it's terrible.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why are you against weed?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because I think that it compromises the integrity of your mental faculties.
		I think there's something deeply wrong with that.
		When you, I'm against alcohol too.
		I think it's wrong to numb pain.
		I think pain is a part of life.
		I think sobriety is like, should be experienced.
		And I think that weed is even worse because I think that, one, it's very dangerous.
		There's a lot of numbers now out of like California and Washington that people are going to the hospital for psychosis.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		People are going crazy because of also more subtle and therefore more insidious.
		Like you can't, you know, well, I've done it if you have a, you know, 12-pack for breakfast, like everyone knows.
		But if you take a hit off the dead pen, like nobody knows.
		So you can use it all the time.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And it makes you a loser.
		It makes you lazy.
		You know, people that are, people that are addicted to weed are not motivated, don't care about anything other than weed.
		You know, there's sort of like an irony there where I used to hang out with a lot of stoners in high school.
		I never smoked weed, but all my friends did.
		And they were so chill and relaxed and didn't care about anything.
		But if you criticized weed, they would freak out and get extremely defensive.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've noticed.
unidentified		Right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		If you insinuate that it's addictive, if you say it's a problem, they get very like junky behavior.
		And so I've always hated it.
		I think it's disgusting.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What is porn exactly?
		Like describe how available is porn?
		What is it?
		I know what porn is, but like you said it's a huge factor in the lives of young men and a bad factor.
		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is another thing where it's reality distortion.
		That's kind of the theme.
		Just like psychedelics distort reality, just like a kind of internet society is a form of delusion.
		So is porn in the sense that, you know, a lot of people maybe don't realize, and we talked about this a little bit, people are getting turned on to porn when they're like 10 years old.
		And when you are going through puberty, when you're developing your sexual faculties, how could you stay away from that?
		Every kid has a phone.
		Every kid has an iPad and every iPad and phone is, if you, you know, if you know what it is, loaded up with porn.
		And it's infinite and it's ubiquitous.
		And you can get every kind of it you want whenever you want.
		It's in your pocket.
		And so something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography.
		And some people are able to cope with it.
		Some people don't have a problem.
		But I think a lot of people and maybe even a small minority have a serious problem with it.
		And the problem.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		People sexually dysfunctional.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that it's impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
		A real woman, you know, like without getting graphic, is she's only one person.
		And, you know, she's maybe she wants to do something sexual.
		Maybe she doesn't.
		Porn is, you could have a hundred different women in one sitting doing anything that whatever, whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there.
		And so I think that novelty combined with that availability, it makes it so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't worth the squeeze.
		And so there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty, and the availability of porn.
		It's hyper stimulation.
		And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal sexual relationships.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It seems like it's making a lot of people gay too.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and trans.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You think that's true?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		100%.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that the novelty is a huge part of that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which many people do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Actually?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of jerking off.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's a huge problem.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, if you're doing that multiple times a day, every day for years since you're a kid, well, eventually you get bored and you want to move on to something more extreme.
		And you're kind of, it operates, I think, similar to like a drug.
		You kind of have the same kind of resistance to it that you would to a drug or a tolerance for it.
		And you're always chasing that initial feeling the first time you used it or the first time you saw a certain thing.
		And I think eventually you just chase more taboo, more transgressive.
		And I think maybe some people are more prone to that than other people going in this really extreme direction.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How Charlie Sheen got AIDS, actually.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Through just being jaded and looking for something more transgressive.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's just a fact.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And there's something too about what it does when you look at it.
		Because people don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience being involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse.
		And I think that actually does something to you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Tell me, what do you mean?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that, you know, for example, I think Steve Saylor has written about this, that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals.
		And he says that one kind of transsexual is somebody that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman.
		It's auto gynophilia.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I think that, you know, one of the theories for that is you watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't you so much, you kind of achieve an identity with the woman in like a weird sick way.
		You almost identify with the woman.
		And so there's weird things that happen when you're watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences with it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
		I have always been, I've sensed for a long time having had a lot of young male employees mention porn as a problem.
		I mean, the big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services on the back end.
		So that means people know what you're looking at.
		There's likely video and audio of you watching.
		So that, you know, that's like so, so such a deal killer for me.
		Not a huge expert on the topic, but I have always sensed this was a huge deal, but I've always been too embarrassed to like do a show on it.
		But it sounds like you're describing something that's everywhere that affects everybody.
		And that is, do you think it's related to the huge decline in like actual sex and relationships and marriage screwed up dating?
		All of this derives in part from porn, do you think?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a huge part of it.
		It's a huge factor.
		And it's even on the other side, too.
		It's become so destigmatized for women to actually participate in porn.
		Only people don't even recognize that OnlyFans is a whole separate category.
		It's a new, it's an innovation in the realm of pornography because you have what everyone considers what everyone knows as porn, which is like videos of porn stars, like dedicated career sex workers having sex in a relatively controlled environment or something like that.
		But then you get OnlyFans, which is like Patreon for nudes or sex.
		And basically, there's now a very large subculture, much larger than people want to admit, of women who the moment they turn 18, that is what they do is they make an OnlyFans account and they become an amateur porn star.
		And it is completely casual, you know, because you could say that maybe 10 years ago, even at the heyday of internet porn, to be in porn, you got to be a porn star.
		Like that's your life and that's your career and that's who you are.
		And it's very shameful.
		With OnlyFans, it's like, it's like having a TikTok.
		It's like, here's my link tree.
		Here's my Instagram account.
		Here's my Facebook account.
		Here's my YouTube.
		And here's my OnlyFans.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why would any of this be legal?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that, well, there's like you indicated, maybe there's an intelligence benefit to that.
		Maybe there's a political benefit to that.
		I think that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, why wouldn't you arrest the people who run something like that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It should be.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		If you had a Christian government.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Or how about just a government that cares about its people?
		I mean, is Iran a bigger threat or is OnlyFans?
		Iran's not turning my daughters to prostitution that I'm aware of.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that seems like one of the worst things that could happen to any society.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So how big is the support for that?
		Like if a candidate were to come out and say, we ought to arrest the guys who own MindGeek, which is the biggest, I think it's the biggest porn supplier in the world or the guys who run OnlyFans.
		What would the reaction be among, I don't know, people under 50?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think there would be broad support for that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Really?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I do, actually.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I hope someone will say that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Someone needs to.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I hope someone arrests them right away.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That was actually one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It seizes their assets and puts them in prison.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, seizes their bodies and puts them in jail.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the owners of that, people who are, I mean, talk about human trafficking.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I thought we were against human trafficking.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you, but you think that young people, because you always think of young people as so liberal, but like, no, they wouldn't think that was crazy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I think especially among young men, they know it's a problem.
		It's ruining their lives.
		And they know it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what are the other factors that prevent, I'm sorry I called you gay, by the way, but I'm always, I think I'm just too old or something.
		I'm like, why is anyone married?
		You tell me, why isn't, why aren't people married?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women.
		The women are extremely liberal.
		No one talks about that.
		Increasingly, they do, especially after the last election, there's a 45-point difference between men and women.
		The men are extremely conservative, increasingly.
		The women are extremely liberal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What are they liberal on what issues?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like, what does that mean, liberal?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, on, on, they're very feminist.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like, actually?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Extremely feminist.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They don't believe that, do they?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think they do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Really?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Gender roles are a construct that none of this is inborn.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like, you'd have to be an idiot to think that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They like the idea of it.
		They, they like the, because of course, I think all women naturally want strong men.
		Of course.
		They naturally want a Chad.
		You know, they want like a tall, buff guy.
		But they, I think they like the idea of none of them want to work either.
		None of them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's what I want to work.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
unidentified		Of course.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		It's obviously true.
		It's always been true.
		Work outside the home.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They don't have enough work at home.
		There's a lot to do.
		But no, I completely agree.
		So that's why I question like they're feminists in what sense.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And, you know, they like these vague appeals to equality.
		We want a chance to work and we want respect.
		And, you know, ultimately, I think the whole political system is just based around women never being accountable for any of their choices.
		Ultimately, that seems to be what that's what abortion is.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because 99% of abortions are elective.
		So they say it's an unplanned pregnancy.
		You had sex out of wedlock with someone you didn't intend to have kids with.
		So now we have to kill the kids in the womb.
		And, you know, these no-fault divorce laws, these women get married to guys maybe they never intend to stay with.
		And then when they're out, they're done.
		And they want child support and they want half the stuff.
		And I think a lot of men are looking at women and they're, they're very liberal.
		They're overweight.
		They have a very high estimation of themselves.
		I think people call it hoflation.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Hoflation.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.
		And so a lot of people are looking at these like frumpy, obnoxious, loudmouth, liberal women who are also very promiscuous and saying, this is not actually appealing at all.
		And I don't, I don't want to start a family with a person.
		Sounds off.
		Yeah, it is.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But if you believe in the patriarchy, as I fervently do, because it's just reality, you know, we didn't choose the system.
		We were born into a system that is part of nature, can't get out of it.
		So if you believe that that's true, which it is, then you think that men should lead.
		And if it's going to be better, men should make it better because that's their job.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you don't want to give them a pass, do you?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It'd be like, it's all the girls suck.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I don't even blame it on the women because I think that it's the incentive structures.
		You know, women are allowed to do this by the legal system, by kind of social norms.
		Technology is a big part of it.
		The attention that is available to women.
		Women go on Instagram and they get attention from thousands of men.
		So it's the incentives.
		But I would say that, because I hear this all the time, people say, well, the men need to step up and be better and lead the women.
		Easier said than done.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I go out.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I agree with that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They're at war with the system and not even just the system, but also society.
		Because let's say you find one of these so-called good girls who's Christian and traditional, but through osmosis, wherever you go, she's going to be in society.
		She's going to be on TikTok.
		She's going to be on Instagram.
		She's going to be talking to other women.
		And maybe she's one way when you meet and get married, but 10 years down the road, 15 years, 20 years down the road, people change.
		And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists, the ultimate enforcers of like social norms, I think eventually the pressure from society kind of gets to them.
		And a lot of them will go in.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It depends what kind of husbands they have.
		I mean, if there's real leadership at home, I don't know a single happily married woman who's liberal, not one.
		I know a lot of married women.
		I mean, I'm 56.
		All the women I know are married.
		And every happily married woman is non-liberal.
		I can't even imagine.
		There's no category for happily married, middle-aged liberal woman.
		There hasn't never been one.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So like, maybe the job is to, you know, make a girl happy and like all this nonsense ends.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that that could be a bottomless pit, too, because the one critique I have of the men is, and you're right about this, they enable this behavior.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's for sure.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This epidemic of simps who, and especially with Christians, I've noticed this.
		This is why Andrew Tate has so much appeal and the Christians are kind of losing this conversation.
		Andrew Tate's a Muslim polygamist who is very chauvinistic.
		And you could even argue as someone who has ran an OnlyFan site himself, like is not an observer, let's say, of Christian sexual morality.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But men are going with him because he's putting women in their place.
		He's talking about patriarchy and women's place in a society like that.
		Whereas Christian men, Catholics, Protestants alike, are both kind of tone-policing the men.
		And they worship their wives.
		They worship the women, put them on a pedestal.
		And they, you know, they kind of get bossed around.
		They get henpecked by the women.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think we're required to love our wives.
		Like that's, I mean, all over the New Testament.
		Husbands love your wives, wives respect your husbands.
		That seems like a very natural balance to me.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I think that you have to love your wife as your wife.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of men.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		As opposed to what?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Your mom?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, like your buddy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because I hear this all the time and I hate this.
		Guys will say, I married my best friend.
		And I think, you know, she's your wife.
		She's not your best friend because there's a difference.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What is the difference?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that when you talk about your best friend, you're a peer, you're an equal.
		And I think your best friendships are with other men.
		And I think that your wife ultimately is subordinate to you.
		She's your helpmate.
		And ultimately, as the man in the marriage and as the father, you have authority, the final say over the household.
		And she can give advice.
		It's not to say, I'm not a freak where you say, shut up, woman.
		I mean, of course, you discuss things with your wife and your wife gives input, but the authority rests with the man.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Of course.
		But there's God set up this kind of amazing system where men are physically stronger.
		So, like, of course, you could make your wife do whatever you wanted.
		You're bigger than she is.
		Right.
		But he also instilled in men this desire to please your wife.
		Like, that's a very natural thing.
		You want your wife to be happy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And the whole happy wife, happy life thing is completely real.
		It's like you can't get away from it.
		It's not like all of these things.
		It's not a choice.
		It's the biological reality that you live with that you were born with.
		Like you want your wife to be happy.
		And if she's unhappy, you're unhappy to a much greater extent than vice versa.
		Right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think men care about their wives being happy much more than wives care about their husbands being happy.
		Yes.
		I have noticed.
		And that's compensation for their lack of physical power.
		That's my view of it.
		And that's why it is this kind of perfect balance, but somebody needs to be the final decision maker.
		I completely agree.
		And when you give up that, when you abrogate that, there's no respect.
		There's unhappiness and there's infidelity.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, that's the ingredient that's missing.
		The way I would put it very succinctly is men right now are the responsible party, but have no authority.
		And that doesn't work.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you are held, if the buck stops with you and you're to blame and you're the responsible one, then you also need to be able to have the final say and call the shots.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And one without the other doesn't work.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I think that I think that's really smart and absolutely right.
		I do think I've just noticed this, that men who stay unmarried for too long become like kind of fragile.
		There's something about the give and take, there's something about living with, in fact, I think it's the key to life, someone you don't fully understand that broadens you, that keeps you always thinking, that makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful, more self-aware, and more flexible.
		And those are all good qualities.
		And the absence of that, like in homosexuality or like men who are single too long, they get very rigid.
		Have you ever noticed this?
		I like things the way I like them.
		And they just get like, no.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		I certainly get what you mean by that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You don't want that.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I would say that when you say you don't fully understand women, to me, I feel like women are very simple in terms of.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever lived with one?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't lived with them.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, and don't get me wrong, maybe it's difficult, but I feel like they're pretty simple.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We're all pretty simple.
		I mean, no one's more simple than I am, but we're all pretty simple.
		But what I mean is like on a day-to-day level of experience, like you don't always understand what they're saying because it's never about what they say it's about.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And men are just tend to be kind of doglike in their straightforwardness.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm hungry, I'm horny, whatever it is.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I feel like men are complicated.
		I feel like women are like, I'm hungry, I'm horny.
		I feel like men are very complicated.
unidentified		Really?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because men have different, men are masters of the universe.
		Women are the universe.
		You know, this is what Spengler says about them.
		And so I think that men have like a deep connection to things like math and space and they want to conquer the world and, you know, things like this.
		And women, I feel like, are actually very primal and instinctual.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They want security.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Thonic, you know, they're of the hundred.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Never embarrassed by bodily functions.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Men are so squeamish.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Women are not at all.
		They give birth.
		No, that is absolutely true.
		But I mean, in the way that women present their concerns, there's almost always something that's not being fully expressed.
		Like I got mad at you last night because I was pissed about something last year.
		That's not a male thing to do.
		You can't remember what happened last year.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so, but anyway, but whatever the point, men and women talk past each other constantly.
		They don't always know what the other one is saying.
		And that frustration actually gives way to like great beauty over time, I would say.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I, I, I personally find women very frustrating when they are not expressing.
		And I just see that as the beauty of it.
		I see the way I look at it is like when you look at your favorite TV shows, right?
		The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, it's like the wife is the villain because it's like the main character, if the wife could just get out of the way, would be running the show.
		And that's kind of how I feel.
		Like Ayn Rand, I agree with her about this.
		She said that the wife's role is like hero worship.
		The guy is the hero.
		The guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror, whatever.
		And the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I've self-thing successful men need is more power worship, more hero worship, more you're so great.
		You get that at work.
		You don't want that at home.
		You become an unbearable asshole and then you fall prey to what destroys every successful man, which is hubris.
		You mistake yourself for God.
		You need someone who's not interested in what you do at all, only interested in you.
		And that's how you become balanced and wise.
		That's how you know your own limits because the ass kissing is what kills you.
		It's not, I mean, you had someone come to murder you at home.
		It you've been, it doesn't seem to have affected you that much.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And if I were married, dude, she would never let me hear the end of it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably true, but that's not, that's not what destroys men.
		It's not adversity that destroys men.
		It's comfort and flattery that destroys men.
		Right?
		That's what happened at King David.
		It's what happens to them all.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So great.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You can never go wrong.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I just feel like we have, I don't feel like we have an abundance of affection from women.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
		Like, in terms of where the pendulum is at, I feel like the women are very unloving to the men.
		That's why I like they don't cook because that's like the best way to express a love for a man.
		I said this on my show the other night.
		I'm like, the most beautiful words a woman could say is like, I made you dinner.
		I made you cookies.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because that, that is like an act of love.
		And I think that, you know, speaking as maybe from a different generation, the way that men feel now is like, you know, women are not really providing too much.
		They expect so much from the men.
		They want to, they want the man to be rich and provide.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They want the man to be fit and a real leader and a real man.
		They also want to split the chores with the man.
		They want the man to do half the laundry and half the dishes and things like that.
		And it's like, so what do you do all day?
		You're on TikTok.
		You're like doom scrolling and eating Cheetos?
		Like, what, what actually are you providing in the relationship?
		So I just feel like in terms of the deficit, it's like women are very emboldened.
		They're, they're too, I think, assertive, always giving their opinions, always critiquing, always, you know, I think that they're very bold right now and I think, and sarcastic.
		I think that's a big reason why they're not very attractive.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
		I, all I would say is that in a happy marriage, all of that goes away.
		There's no arguing about who does what.
		People fall seamlessly into the roles they were born into.
		They acknowledge those.
		They're not insecure about it at all.
		They express love in a whole bunch of different ways by serving each other.
		It's like super easy.
		And all of that, obnoxious and titled, you don't make enough money.
		All that crap just disappears.
		Anyway, that's been my experience.
		So last question.
		Where is all of this going in this country?
		Like, where are we in five years?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Not anywhere good.
		I'm really concerned.
		And I'm not one of these doomsdaysayers.
		You know, there's a lot of people there forever, but the sky's falling every day.
		But I really feel like the things that concern me the most, it's the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		Seemed like we crossed a Rubicon there.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because he's just a conservative guy, relatively moderate, expressing his opinions.
		He's not the president.
		He's not a politician.
		And it wasn't just that he got shot.
		It was what happened afterward, which is that 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and celebrated.
		And that shows that how can you integrate or harmonize with people that hate you that much?
		They see some, you know, and I understand that liberals thought he was a jerk.
		Like maybe he was a little rude or something like that.
		And he really wasn't.
		I mean, he was pretty patient, as patient as they got.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I just tried to fill in for him last week and immediately snapped at some kid and threatened to beat him up and went crazy.
		And I had said a prayer for patience, by the way, and I still couldn't handle it.
		So, no, Charlie Kirk was a remarkably even-keeled, patient, decent man.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And yeah.
		So whatever their perception of him was to see him get his face blown up in front of everybody like that.
		And your first, the first reaction of someone in the crowd who is present, some guy with the beard jumps up and celebrates.
		Did you see this?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Some liberal kid in the audience jumps up and says, all right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I literally can't handle it.
		I'm so upset by it.
		I haven't looked at anything.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's disgusting.
		And I saw that and said, yeah, like there's no putting the genie back in the lamp here.
		That was one.
		The other thing I'm really worried about is what's happening at these ICE detention centers, where it's happening not far from where I live in Broadview, Illinois, where they set up an ICE detention facility and the administration is rounding these people up, which I support, but they're doing it in a very provocative way.
		They're broadcasting it.
		They're making hype edits on Twitter of like these raids on apartment complexes, which I think are very cool, but it's somewhat provocative.
		An Antifa showing up.
		In order to protect ICE, the administration's putting DHS.
		Well, now they're protesting the DHS presence and the administration of the governor of Illinois and the mayor of Chicago are telling Chicago police, don't help ICE.
		And they're encouraging the protesters.
		And what I see there is like a level of tension that just keeps increasing.
		And there's leadership.
		There's civilian leadership on both sides, like the governor and mayor who are Democrats won't back down versus a Republican president.
		There's a security division too, the police versus ICE, the police versus DHS.
		There's a constitutional question about the federal supremacy.
		And I see all the ingredients of like a low-boil civil conflict, full-blown civil war.
		And I'm not that guy, but I see all the ingredients that for that to happen.
		So I'm deeply concerned about where that will go.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How would you handle it if you were in charge?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		If you're the president, what do you do about that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think maybe this is controversial, but they have to crush the other side.
		They have to, because you can do one of two things.
		You cannot challenge the left and let them do their thing, or you can utterly confront them and defeat them and remove hope from the equation.
		If you resist, you will be arrested.
		Like we're just, this is an insurrection.
		There's 10 million people here illegally.
		We're getting them out.
		You're rioting.
		You're going to jail too.
		Like it has to be crushed.
		But if you do anything less than that, if you do in the middle, all you're doing is antagonizing and feeding the other side.
		And if they think there's a chance they can win, they will get bolder and stronger and they'll start to rally.
		And that's when it's sort of like people think it's close or like it's contentious.
		That's when it breathes.
		That's when oxygen is fed to this kind of fire.
		So if I were Trump, I would say, screw 200 National Guard, like arrest the mayor of Chicago, like arrest the governor, shut it down, like make it clear.
		Like Washington, you know, bring in the troops and say the federal government is supreme.
		The immigration law is the law of the land.
		If you're not on board with that, you're going to jail.
		If you attack ICE or box them in with your car, you're going to jail for a long time.
		Anything less than that, you might as well just not even bark up that tree at all.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Nick Fuentes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's nice to meet you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Likewise.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We've got a new website we hope you will visit.
		It's called newcomow.com and it refers to a new 9-11 commission.
		So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series.
		And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact there was foreknowledge of the attacks.
		People knew.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The American public deserves to know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
		The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States.
		They knew they were planning an act of terror.
unidentified		In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.
		How do you know there would be an event to document in the first place?
		Because he had foreknowledge.
		And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.
		They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.
		Who did that?
unidentified		You have to look at the evidence.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.
		Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually.
		And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.
		The public deserve to know what the hell that was.
		How did people know ahead of time?
		Why was no one ever punished for it?
		9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud.
		It was fake.
		Its conclusions were written before the investigation.
		That's true, and it's outrageous.
		This country needs a new 9-11 commission, one that actually tells the truth and tries to get to the bottom of the story.
		We can't just move on like nothing happened.
unidentified		9-11 Commission.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Something did happen.
		We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later.
		Sorry, justice demands it.
		And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition.
		We're not getting paid for this.
		We're doing this because we really mean it.

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