Cheryl Hines recounts her journey from Florida to Hollywood, surviving early acting struggles with a Swamp Thing (1982) role before joining Curb Your Enthusiasm, where she met future husband Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at a Waterkeeper event. Their marriage faced backlash after his vaccine skepticism and book The Real Anthony Fauci, with colleagues like Bradley Woodford criticizing her association, while Hollywood’s political homogeneity stifled dissent. Hines details security failures during Bobby’s 2024 campaign—armed intruders ignored until Trump intervened—and the emotional toll of strained friendships over his candidacy, contrasting it with her newfound appreciation for D.C.’s political grit, all while questioning why vaccine injuries spark irrational outrage compared to other medical controversies. [Automatically generated summary]
Because I knew I was going to move to, because I always wanted to be an actress, and I knew it was going to be New York or LA, but I knew two people in LA.
One guy from my high school and another guy who was a family friend, one of my brother's best friends.
So I knew two people.
So I thought, okay, then that makes more sense, LA.
Well, actually, so one of my best friends, Paul Beckett, he had, he, we ended up high school together and he moved out there and he was a professional background actor.
It's harder than it seems because, you know, if you're, if they're shooting a party scene and your background, you have to stand behind the main actors and act like you're talking, but you can never say anything.
And in LA, it was hard to get a job as a bartender or as a waitress because everybody's doing that because everybody is trying to, you know, get a job as an actor or writer.
So even to get those jobs are hard in LA.
But, but I managed to get a job in this hotel in downtown LA.
It was the Intercontinental.
I think they've changed it since then.
But so that was good.
I did that.
And then it just, it took a year for me to work in that, in that hotel, in that bar to just sort of get used to LA.
And at that time, you would send out your headshot and resume to all of the agents in town and hope that somebody would be interested in just from looking at your picture, be interested in meeting with you.
And I didn't do it.
I wasn't ready for the rejection because I thought, what if I send out a picture and resume to every agent in this town and none of them want me?
I wasn't ready.
I didn't have a plan.
What would be the plan?
So until I was ready with that, that form of rejection, I couldn't bring myself to do it.
You know, when you're, I would just say, okay, what's going to happen?
This is probably going to happen.
Probably not one person is going to respond.
And who, who are you going to be?
Is it going to change you if nobody responds?
And for the first year of my life there, I thought, yeah, it'll change me.
It'll break me.
It'll, this is the only thing I've ever wanted to do.
So, but, but after I was there for a while, I, I realized, okay, my self-worth doesn't depend on if somebody looks at my picture and decides they want to represent me or not.
So I finally got to that place where I realized, okay, life is going to go on.
And I said, we do, you know, I know, of course, I know how to ice skate.
And they were like, okay.
I think I, I think I got called back because when I got called back, I do remember there were four girls that looked a lot like Tanya Harding and four girls that looked like a, a lot like Nancy Kerrigan.
And I was just sitting in this room just looking around like, wow, this is weird.
And I hear a beeping sound because earlier in the episode, I had pulled the plug on my stepfather's life support machine.
Yeah.
And now I'm hearing a beeping sound and it's driving me crazy.
And then I drop the gun.
I clutch my heart and I die.
And I said, I said to the director, I said, before we shot it, I said, just so I'm clear, what exactly am I dying of?
I mean, I know, you know, we're talking about telltale heart where the beeping is driving you crazy.
And can anybody else hear it?
All of that.
I said, but what is the thing that's actually killing me?
And he said, Cheryl, we don't have time for this.
What you just need to drop the gun.
And then the gun handler who, you know, with somebody on set that's there for gun safety and shows you how to handle the gun, he was like, please don't drop the gun.
He said, if you could, just can you, can you lay it on the couch on your way down to the floor?
I was like, oh, okay.
So I had to, he said, the director was like, just clutch your heart.
It's, I said, so a heart attack.
And he's like, that's fine.
Yeah.
Let's say that's fine.
We got to go.
So that was my, so I died.
Big death scene.
Exciting.
And that was my big first roll.
That's why I moved to LA because you were hooked.
Well, because I, this was my springboard to stardom.
I had one experience that I actually talked about in my book, Unscripted, where there was a director that approached me and said, Will you meet me in my hotel room?
And he looked at me like, What are you talking about?
And I, I went and I opened the door and they were all, it was like a, it was like an episode of friends where they're all their heads are in the doorway.
Like, Cheryl, one of my friends looked at my feet and he said, Where's your boot?
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Well, I started studying at the Groundlings Theater in LA, which is an improv and sketch comedy theater.
And I was studying improv and performing.
And at that point, I had gotten a better agent.
And I started to go out on auditions.
I was auditioning for different pilots, different TV shows.
And I got called in to do to audition for a one-hour special.
They were just calling it the Larry David unscripted or untitled special.
And so I went in and I, well, I was going to, I was scheduled to audition and then they called me and they said, we're running behind because there's no script.
It's all improvised and it's taking longer than we thought.
So I don't know when you're going to be able to go in.
And then that night, I was performing in a sketch comedy show.
And I was performing a sketch that I had written.
And the producer, director of the whatever show was in the audience and really liked the sketch and thought that my sense of humor and Larry's would match up.
And so I wasn't, it was probably good that I didn't because I wasn't intimidated because I didn't even know who he was.
I knew he was a lot older than me.
And I knew I was going in to play to audition for his wife.
And I felt like I'm, I don't know if I'm right for this part, but I'll go in and try to have a great audition and see what happens.
Maybe there's a different part, you know.
And then, uh, and then when I walked in, I mean, this sketch that sort of opened the door for me was about a woman in her workplace.
And this guy comes in to do a safety, Like, go over safety procedures in an earthquake.
And everybody in the office seemed to know what to do in case of an earthquake.
And they were answering all the questions, right?
Oh, if do you light a match after an earthquake?
And somebody said no, because there could be a gas leak.
And I'm thinking, whoa, how did they even know that?
And, you know, should you walk around without shoes on?
No, because there could be broken glass.
And then they said, what do you do if your water supply runs out?
And I said, well, if push comes to shove, you can drink your own urine.
And my coworkers were like, that's gross.
I said, well, no, I mean, I don't.
And they said, that's really gross.
And so the rest of the sketch was they're trying to move on.
You know, okay, let's do you call your friends?
And I go, just to be clear, I don't drink my own urine.
I'm not, I never, I'm not going to come home and drink my own urine.
And they're like, we get it.
We've got to finish this seminar.
And I, and I won't let it go, you know, at the, and I said, look, I'm going to say right now, I'm not going to drink my own urine, even, even if there's an apocalypse and the only way to survive is to drink your urine.
I'm not drinking my urine.
I want you guys to know right now, I'm not drinking my urine.
So that was the sketch that Bob Whitey saw that, and he brought me in the next day to meet Larry.
And then when I walked in for the audition, he said, Oh, the urine girl is here.
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24 years is a long time to spend with the same people.
I met Bobby, Robert Kennedy Jr. through, I mean, Larry just introduced us.
You know, I, Larry and I went to a Water Keeper event and he just introduced me to Bobby, not in any way like you guys should, you know, have anything to do with each other.
I think growing up in Tallahassee, I had a lot of guy friends that wore pleated khakis.
And it was kind of a, it reminds me of a, hmm, like a football coach type of it's to me at the time, it felt like not a creative type person that I was used to.
So it was not at all like, there was no spark or interest or anything like that.
It was just a casual acquaintance.
And then I stayed involved with Waterkeeper and I would see Bobby once a year, I think, at a Waterkeeper event.
And it was, he was always pleasant, always nice, but we, I really never even spoke to him that much because it was always a big event.
And then I got, I got divorced.
He got divorced.
We were going through divorce.
And I was going to see him and I thought, oh, this is interesting.
Like six years later, however long, it'll be interesting to see him because it's hard.
It's hard going through a divorce and it's hard even talking to somebody about it because nobody, unless you're going through it, and nobody wants to talk about it.
Because probably two people that are known are, you know, well known or whatever that looks like.
They're only known in certain circles.
So I don't know.
There are probably two famous people that feel somebody feels left out while the other person's shining or whatever that looks like.
So there might be that.
I know that should be true with friends that are actors, you know, two actors together and sometimes or a director and an actor and their career is doing great and the other one is, you know, at a different pocket in their career.
That can be tough.
But it was good for me and Bobby because we were in different worlds.
Also, more prominent and started really speaking to a lot of people.
And it was hard too being in LLA or challenging perhaps because I would say the majority of the people in LA that I was encountering did not agree with him.
And they could not imagine anybody agreeing with him.
But the reality was there were millions of people across the country that did were agreeing with him.
You'd be like, well, you know, you're a human being like with autonomy and stuff and you're responsible for your views, but your husband is a different person, not the same as you.
Well, it felt like both it once again, it felt like both sides were, well, yes, they got the vaccine and then they got COVID, but they would have died if they did get the vaccine.
Or, you know, it's sort of like the you can fit different scenarios into your own narrative, which was also annoying.
And, you know, studies.
Somebody talks of studies.
Well, I can show you a study that shows this.
I can show you a study that shows that.
And it's just back and forth.
And it's like being in a courtroom and you're watching both sides.
You have an expert.
And the expert will say 100%.
You know, if you pick up this glass, you will die.
And then the other experts say, 100%, that is not true.
Here's a study that shows something completely different.
So it just felt like there was a lot of that going on.
It still is a lot of that going on.
Instead of to me, what I have a hard time understanding is instead of always pointing the finger and saying, you're wrong.
You better listen to me.
You're wrong.
Instead of that, and two people saying, okay, let's talk about this because it is a problem.
And people in your world think Bobby Kennedy's pretty cool because he's like a Kennedy and they're like sort of, you know, Democratic Party royalty and liberal in a wholesome way and like not a scary liberal, but like do-gooder liberal.
And at the same time, uh, on the opposite side, yes, there are people that I'm probably not going to work with again.
And there are people that I will be working with that have reached out to me and that are in this business that are very successful people that say, oh, I want to work with you.
And I also know, you know, we're sort of generalizing because I, there are plenty of people that I have worked with that have reached out to me and, you know, will say, I can't wait to work with you again.
They're not doing it publicly, but the other people aren't doing it publicly either.
And I'm looking at my phone and I'm seeing texts from my friends saying, you know, what an asshole.
I'm not thinking who, oh, who's the asshole today?
It's always somebody.
And then somebody sent me his something that he posted on X and it was something like, I bet my nephew Jackson would know it by heart, but it was something like, hey, Cheryl Hines, something like insulted Donald Trump and then,
of course, insulted Bobby and said, oh, this is a real good, setting a great example for the kids, talking about me, and a real profile in courage.
And then profile in courage, just because that's the name of the book that John F. Kennedy wrote, but no explanation other than, he just sort of called me out for not-Like it's your fault.
Being out, outraged at my husband.
I'm not even sure what he was hoping that I would publicly-Denounce your husband?
After the first, after the election with, with Trump and, and Hillary, I remember going to work and I remember we were, I was in, it was in the green room up somewhere and people were talking about the election and everybody was saying, I can't believe Trump won.
Couldn't believe, who is, who voted for this person?
And there was one actor that said, oh, I voted for him.
And I think what's really hard is I've always been very independent in my life, right?
I moved to LA.
I lived on my own.
I sort of, you know, made my own path to do this and that, you know, other things.
And however, I got there was not the normal way.
I was doing it my own way.
So I was used to taking risks for myself and knowing, well, this might not work out.
This might work out.
It might not, but that's okay.
I'm taking the risk.
But it's sort of a harder, of course, situation.
And this is with everybody, right?
Anybody who's in a relationship, anybody who has kids, anybody who loves somebody else, when they want to take a risk, and they're doing it because they want to accomplish something or do something.
It's harder when they're the ones making the decision, but you know that it's going to really change your life too.
You know, they were always very loving to me and even to Bobby, you know, as a person.
So I never felt hate coming at me or towards Bobby, but definitely there was strong opinions about should he be running for president against Joe Biden.
And I mean, even when the vaccines of it all were introduced, it, there started to be an element that made its way into conversations at work that up until that moment had, like I said, only been pure joy.
So, and, and, you know, not to say that people through the years didn't have health issues, didn't have relatives who passed away.
Something that stood out to me like during all this time when tables were sort of turning.
After the 2020 election and Biden became president, I had a friend, a good friend of mine, who's no longer speaking to me, but she said, I wonder what Melania is going to do now.
She said, I have not spent one moment hoping something horrible for somebody else.
It was so, but just, but just to know, like, that's what's living on in her mind.
Like, she has spent, even if it's two minutes of her day, but it clearly sounded like it was more than that.
Must spend time like wishing.
And by the way, everything that I know about Melania Trump is pretty amazing.
She only, she does a lot of work for children.
And she does it quietly and she doesn't need fanfare for it, but she really works hard to try to reunite children with their parents for the a lot of different programs that she works.
But so for one of my friends to be wishing something on somebody that she doesn't even know this person, I know it was eye-opening to me.
I mean, I know your husband and I really love your husband.
So that was part of it.
But even if I didn't like your husband, I would, and I very much do, but I would, even if I didn't, I would think, hmm, presidential candidates ought to have secret service protection if they're, if it's real candidacy, traveling around the country with staff, which he was, packing venues, which he was, very famous person.
And then, of course, the whole his family backstory is like so unbelievable.
Right.
So we don't need to be reminded of what could happen.
It's obvious.
And yet he did not have secret service protection from the Biden administration.
Because that was, that was also part of what, you know, there were so many things that were very surreal about it, about Bobby running.
But that was one of them where, you know, that was a big concern.
The biggest concern about him running was security because I, you know, I'm like, this is you're putting yourself out there.
And yes, your father was assassinated while he was running for president.
Your uncle was assassinated when he was president.
That is, this is so dangerous.
And then I thought at the beginning, I thought, okay, he's announcing he's running for president.
We'll see what happens in the primaries because in the primaries, we'll know if he has support or not, and it'll go one way or the other.
So I thought maybe this is going to go on.
Maybe he'll be running for, I don't know, five or six months or something.
And we had a private security.
And he, you know, applied for secret service.
And first, first of all, they didn't even respond to him in a normal timeline.
So it was just like, well, we'll wait.
We'll see.
And then when Bobby switched to running as an independent, the Democrats came out basically and said on TV, I watched an interview where they said, no, we are going to make sure that RFK Jr. spends all of his money on lawsuits.
We're going to keep suing him so he has no money for his campaign.
And then, you know, the what we could hear people talk about, not in front of the camera was also he's, we're going to make sure he has to spend a lot of money on security.
So he doesn't have money for his campaign.
And also heard if he was given secret service, then it would legitimize him as a candidate and they didn't want that.
So all of that was happening.
And then, yes, you had some family members who came out publicly against Bobby and said, but we, but we love him.
But I never saw any of them publicly say, even though we don't agree with him politically, we are concerned about his safety.
It was um hard to believe, really hard to believe.
And then, you know, I went down a rabbit hole when I was writing this book because at the time, people, different um outlets would give different reasons why, of course, Robert Kennedy didn't get Secret Service, it's too early.
But then you would look, I would look up, and Barack Obama got it 300 and something days before the election.
The, you know, people, people got it 200 days before the election.
So that was not it.
There, uh, some people got it before they even announced that they were running.
So, whatever they were, whatever people were saying, that they always were trying to make Bobby look like he's being ridiculous.
You're being ridiculous for asking, you're not even a real candidate.
Um, and meanwhile, you know, he had someone show up at one of his rallies with loaded weapons, uh, you know, uh, pretending to be a federal agent, flashing badges, and and they arrested him.
But then I was home watching when a guy came over my back fence and was approaching the house.
I was on, I was doing uh, Instagram live with my friend from Tallahassee, and I said, I, I, I see this guy out the window, and I, and she said, Are you okay?
I said, I don't, I think I have to go.
Something's happening.
And then I see our security guard, you know, take his weapon out.
And I'm watching this on Instagram live.
And I said, I really do have to wrap it up.
So, yeah, that guy was apprehended, was arrested by LAPD, was released, and then took an Uber back to our house and was arrested again the same day.
And both of those, both of those events were publicized.
People knew about it.
You know, I was in LA when it happened, when the one guy was arrested at the rally, it made the local news.
I don't know if it made the national news, but people knew.
People in the administration knew.
People in Bobby's family knew.
And it's not everybody.
I know that there were a few members of the family that I know that inquired.
So, okay, the night Trump is shot in Butler, Bobby and Trump speak for the first time and start kind of feeling each other out about maybe we could team up, maybe Bobby could endorse Trump, which would be at the time seemed completely crazy, but it was clearly possible from your perspective.
Like, what?
First, your husband comes out against vaccines, then he attacks Fauci, then he runs for president.
And now he's thinking about endorsing Donald Trump.
I mean, these are like, how many more red lines are there in Hollywood?
Yeah, that was beyond anything anybody could take.
Some people, some people.
But yeah, it was that was that.
It's all been a learning process for me, you know, and to it's been, it's, it's sometimes it has tested me to take a step back and get a different perspective,
you know, because like you said, that was something I couldn't, could not have ever imagined.
I mean, the Trump people who very much wanted, I know, you know, Bobby's endorsement, wanted him to campaign with them, wanted to bring him on the administration, knew that your opinion was really important to him.
Obviously, you're his wife, but he really cared about what you thought.
And they were like, they were focused on that.
So, when was your, when was the first time you met Donald Trump?
By the way, there's an episode of Curb where Larry wears a MAGA hat to repel people in LA so he doesn't have to have lunch with people, which is funny, but it's also true.
Which is also funny.
But, but yeah, so I was, I don't know, I was expecting something else.
I told my, I'm very close to my sister and my brother.
So they're really the, you know, my sounding board.
I, one of my best friends back in LA, I mean, I have a few best friends back in LA, but I wouldn't even tell them that because I didn't want them to be stressed about it.
I didn't want, I didn't want people to know because I don't, I don't need that other people asking them about it because I know that there are people already mad because I'm married to Bobby.
I don't need people being mad at my friends because I'm married to Bobby and they're friends with me.
So I wasn't even telling people.
I don't want to put them in a position of, oh my God, I can't believe your friend did this.
But, you know, my family, my, my sister and my brother, they were like, yeah, that makes sense.
That's really interesting.
You know, they were very curious to hear, hear about it and how what I thought about it and what I, how I found Donald Trump to be.
They were like, that, wow, that's so interesting.
But I guess that makes sense because you do hear that about him.
You hear that he's people say he's charming.
And I understand why.
Because somebody who is somebody that you meet that feels completely comfortable with who they are, completely comfortable in their own skin, they come across as charming.
I mean, Melania, I haven't had, I've definitely had more time with President Trump than Melania.
Just a few moments with Melania.
But she was so sweet to me when I, one of the first things that we went to after the administration started was the governor's dinner at the White House.
It was very beautiful dinner with all the governors.
And I just had one tiny moment with Melania and she asked me how I was finding DC and how I was doing with everything.
And she said, you should really try to enjoy it.
And I, and I took that in because I thought, yeah, you're right.
Because up until that moment, I was thinking, I don't know if I'm going to like this.
You had an appearance in the view the other day, which I saw part of it.
And they immediately started attacking you for your husband because they're feminists.
That makes sense.
And but they they were the criticism of him and then to direct it at you, I guess I've said it eight times, but I really mean it is insane.
But it's all about the vaccines.
Like, what is that?
Why is it that someone, because he has said many times, including to me, against vaccines on principle, but some of these vaccines are clearly dangerous and they are and that's proven.
And why wouldn't we try to make them safer?
Like, why would that be a controversial statement?
You know, I don't know anyone like that just because I shield myself from anyone who would even even give a hint of having those attitudes because I can't deal with it.
So I don't, I don't, I don't know the answer, but you're, I mean, you know, a lot of these people personally.
Uh, there's something about vaccines that they've made, people have made very political in a way that's hard to understand because it's if you're talking about cancer or you're talking about um you know different different ways to treat cancer people don't get upset about it that's right people don't yell at you about it they don't you're not taking chemo just radiation damn you right uh so
So there's something about the mindset of people.
The mindset of some people is you are putting everybody in danger if you don't get vaccinated.
And once again, it goes back to what you said.
Well, if you have the vaccine, you should feel pretty good that you're not going to get it.
Boy, there's the vaccine injury compensation program that's paid out $5.4 billion.
That's what I told him on the view and no response.
Like nobody said anything like, oh, wow.
I mean, no.
Whoopi asked me if it was just COVID.
i think it was for all vaccines but can we just look at that without uh thinking about it in a political way and say oh well people are people are being paid compensated for vaccine injuries there's a whole service set up for it can we just say can we can both sides agree oh i you're right somebody has been injured By it.
They proved it in court.
So, can we start there?
It's like you're thinking, can we just start at one place where we all agree on something?
And then say, well, can we do a vaccine where less people are injured?
Well, it's interesting when you're talking about it that way.
It is interesting because it's probably the only thing that people are asked to do as a group, regardless of who you are, regardless of what your religion, what your health is.
You're asked to take the vaccine and don't ask questions.
But the other thing, too, that I have a hard time understanding the people that are saying that, you know, vaccines were tested however long ago, 40 years ago, 20 years ago, and they were tested to be fine.
Yeah, no, because they thought it was a great, you know, new technology to Nila wafers were considered a health food when I was a kid because they had weeded them because they had weeded them.
And everybody stops down and makes a new choice, right?
And says, oh, okay, yeah, I'm going to stop using that.
So it happens all the time.
So for people to say it can absolutely not happen with vaccines, there's no way there's no way to make them better or to, because they're great already.
So I've met very few people who've had a life with the trajectory that yours has had.
I don't even, it's not really an arc.
It's more like, as you described, a hairpin turn in this direction.
The last, you know, so you grew up in one world and are a completely different world, rise to the top of that world, and then all of a sudden you're in a completely different world.
Like, what are the conclusions you draw from this?
And, and at the same time, you know, I just turned 60.
And I'm at a place where I really have learned a lot just in terms of learning brand new things in my life that I never thought I would.
And it's not, this isn't like we talked about politics.
I never set out to, I can't wait to learn a lot about politics.
But I did, you know, even in the election, I learned a lot about how to run a campaign what it looks like from the inside of a presidential campaign um you learn about press and and rumors and if somebody says something enough times then
it becomes the truth to people.
So I learned all of that.
And even when Bobby switched to being an independent, just learning every state, you have to have a certain amount of signatures from different people and you turn them in at different times in the calendar year.
So even learning that stuff, which I never wanted to learn, but I know it now, fascinating to me that now being in DC and now being, being sitting where I am and seeing what I see and being around the people that I, I'm around, I can say that the people in the cabinet, people in the
administration, really want what's best for this country.
And it may sound silly that I didn't recognize that before because I felt like, well, well, I'm sure there are people that are in it for themselves and that want, you know, but where I see it, that is not the case.
The case is that everybody sits at the table and they say, what can we do to make the country better to work together?
And that was, that's interesting to me.
And I keep, I keep, I'm learning more now about politics, about how things, what has to happen to change a law or to, or to get something done in DC or to make a change in the nation.
I'm learning all these, you know, sort of big concepts that I otherwise would not have thought about.
And I, and I find it fascinating.
I find the people that I'm sitting next to at dinner fascinating.
They're smart and they have hard jobs, very difficult jobs.
I mean, it just seems to me that given how fast everything is changing, you're so blessed to be in part doing something different, learning new things.
It's very, the entertainment industry is really a tough place to be in right now.
So I, yeah, I'm like, I find it fascinating.
And maybe because I have been in the entertainment industry and, you know, I mean, there are a lot of films, TV shows about politics and politicians because it's fascinating.
And so we like to watch it.
We'd like to watch it play out on the screen, but then to now be in the middle of it, seeing it, it's pretty great.
A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.
How do you know there would be an event to document in the first place?
Because he had foreknowledge.
And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.
They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.