Ana Kasparian dissects her controversial Tucker Carlson appearance, citing shared skepticism of U.S. foreign aid—$4B annually to Israel—and domestic cuts like Medicaid, while rejecting antisemitism accusations for opposing corruption tied to Epstein’s alleged pedophilia networks. She details LAPD’s $600K overtime payouts due to understaffing and blames California Governor Gavin Newsom’s policies for fentanyl crises on Ventura Boulevard, calling him a "sociopath." The duo exposes Israel’s Gaza church bombing as part of its "Greater Israel Project," linking it to Palestinian ethnic cleansing and Azerbaijan’s Armenian displacement, while questioning U.S. complicity in funding mercenaries and suppressing dissent—like their YouTube ban—as evidence of systemic control over truth. Their conclusion: partisan rage masks deeper failures, from media bias to unchecked foreign influence, demanding accountability over tribalism. [Automatically generated summary]
So normally when I do an unconventional interview with like Putin or the president of Iran, people get mad and they ask, you know, why are you talking to him?
This is one of those very rare, maybe unique circumstances where people are going to ask you, why are you talking to him?
And your producers had been reaching out trying to get me to talk to you for at least a year and a half.
And my feelings toward coming on your show went from I would never in a million years to kind of giving myself the opportunity to listen to your podcast to figure out who you really are.
Because of course I had very strong thoughts about who you are.
And to be sure, you and I have some pretty deep disagreements, but I think that some of what you've been talking about lately like hits at the heart of what I care most about.
And that's the importance of this country representing the American people, the importance of the United States being a sovereign country that has politicians and a government that prioritizes the American people as opposed to a foreign government.
And speaking out the way you've been speaking out about some of these issues takes a lot of courage because it goes against the grain and it goes against, I mean, decades of propaganda and conditioning in American media.
And so to me, that commonality that you and I share made me a lot more open-minded to coming on this show because I do think that Americans from across the political spectrum need to find areas of agreement, especially as it pertains to making this country better.
So we can apply appropriate pressure on our politicians and get them to represent us, regardless of the corruption, regardless of the influence of foreign governments.
At the end of the day, these politicians are nothing if it isn't, if it weren't for the American people.
Right.
So like right now, what's really interesting is in Congress, it appears that there's this bipartisan effort to force a vote to release the Epstein files.
And the only reason why that's happening is because there's a very loud and aggressive portion of the MAGA base that's demanding it and they're not letting it go.
And I commend them because I agree with them.
I think we need transparency.
We need to know whether or not we literally have members in our government or influential people, you know, in the periphery of our government who are pedophiles.
The government of any country ought to be sovereign, which is to say it should make most of its big decisions on the basis of what's good for the people that it represents.
And it's bad when foreign countries control your country.
Those are not, those don't strike me as hateful statements at all.
Those aren't expressions of animus against anybody, are they?
And I don't want to live in this ridiculous perversion of the American government where they pretend to represent us, but in reality, Americans are on the back burner.
Our tax dollars are being taken from us, not to help Americans who need help, but to give all sorts of subsidies to private industries that are already doing really well.
Okay.
They don't need extra subsidies or tax cuts or things like that.
But in addition to that, all the foreign aid that we're pumping into the Middle East, Israel, right?
Oftentimes when we talk about foreign aid that goes to Israel, at this point, I believe it's about, what, $4 billion a year on top of all of the military aid that we've been pumping into Israel over the last two years.
I mean, it's unacceptable to me that we're doing that.
And in the backdrop of that, you have the United States Congress cutting $1.1 trillion to Medicaid.
Really?
That's the problem?
That's where we need to cut funding from.
By the way, also cutting funding to food assistance.
How do you justify sending tens of billions of dollars to Israel in the last two years alone while targeting cuts to Medicaid and food stamps?
It makes me beyond angry.
I think it's so unbelievably unjust.
And if you speak out about it the way I'm doing right now, I'm sorry, I'm getting like kind of aggressive.
If you speak out about it like I am right now, people try to smear you as an anti-Semite.
And you know what?
I'm not an anti-Semite.
I know what's in my heart.
And I'm not going to let those smears stop me from saying what I know is correct and what's morally just.
Is it possible that people are slandered in order to prevent conversations like this from happening in the first place?
So you said I was hesitant to come on the show.
I mean, the reason we wanted to book you and a bunch of people who worked for me had the same feeling is that is what you just said.
Like we can disagree on all kinds of things, but if the fundamental orientation is the U.S. government ought to make a good faith effort to improve the lives of Americans, that's not a partisan statement.
That's not a crazy out there sentiment at all.
And we saw that.
It was like, oh, yeah.
And then you're like, yeah, buddy's a Nazi.
I can't do the Nazi show.
So you sort of want, like, I have all kinds of stupid opinions.
I've said all kinds of stupid things.
I've had ugly Opinions in the past.
I'm not defending every opinion I have had or even currently have.
I'm merely saying to reduce someone to a caricature is a kind of tactic to prevent anyone from having a like a real conversation with the person.
But I feel that we can't even really engage in a real debate about policy or specific issues unless we know we have a sovereign, we're living in a sovereign country and we have a government that actually has interest in representing us.
You know, the $1.1 trillion in cuts to Medicaid, that's what she brought up.
She brought that up.
And I thought that was really fascinating.
Now, if you talk to someone who identifies as a liberal Democrat, they'll probably think, oh, these Republican voters, they're so greedy.
All they want is tax cuts.
They want to cut the social safety net.
But no, actually, when it comes to ordinary people, there's a lot of agreement, a lot of agreement.
A lot of people are suffering right now.
And, you know, you have all these different industries, especially, you know, beginning in the 90s, offshoring, you know, all these jobs that have been destroyed.
I mean, most people work in the service sector at this point and manufacturing jobs are gone.
I think that's part of the reason why Donald Trump has been so appealing to the MAGA base.
And so I want ordinary people to just consider the contradiction here.
So if you're a liberal Democrat and you're under the assumption that Republican voters are just greedy and they want to cut the social safety net, why would they love Trump so much, who ran as an economic populist?
Now, I don't think that Trump has carried out his promises because of, well, there's a lot of different examples I can cite, but the most recent is the so-called Big Beautiful bill.
Yeah, there are some provisions in there, no tax on tips.
It's going to be means tested and it also expires in four years, whereas the tax benefits that disproportionately benefit the wealthy are permanent.
The no tax on the elderly or Social Security, that also will expire and it's up to a certain amount.
I think it's like $6,000, if I'm not mistaken.
The child tax credit, I think, was just peanuts compared to what I think this country could afford in helping families.
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In a time when so many are selling out, they have the courage to stand up for what is right.
And all of their meat comes from this country, the United States.
My best friend since childhood, she's a social worker herself.
And I've talked to other social workers about what their experience has been like.
And they're like, I actually interviewed one for a piece I wrote for Real Clear Investigations.
And she told me, look, it hasn't really worked out the way people have thought it would work out.
Oftentimes we'll go to a call and it's supposed to be a nonviolent person or yeah, a nonviolent call.
Someone's having a mental health episode.
But they'll show up and oftentimes it'll be someone who does have a weapon.
It's not a gun, but it's maybe a knife or, and they feel threatened.
So they have no choice but to call the police.
And so in 2021, the Los Angeles City Council, you know, was inspired by BLM and they decided to take $150 million away from the LAPD's budget and instead invest it in other services.
It actually ended up being even more cost.
We're spending more on police, more on the LAPD than we ever have, like record amounts.
And the reason why is because you have to really ask yourself before you make these decisions, okay, do we need this many officers?
Let's compare Los Angeles to other huge cities.
What's the police officer or sworn officer to citizen ratio?
And in LA, it's always been historically lower, much lower than other major cities.
So at the peak of the LAPD and the number of sworn officers in the LAPD, we had about 10,000.
After the cuts and after all the difficulty in recruiting new sworn officers, because people don't want to be police officers anymore for understandable reasons.
It's not a desirable job when you have people constantly, you know, talking about how terrible cops are.
So now we have about 8,500.
And as a result, the remaining sworn officers are working insane overtime, like crazy.
Like we have one police officer in the LAPD.
I think his name's Nathan Corey.
He made $600,000 one year because of police overtime.
Because at the core of who I am, I think as a journalist, you know, I didn't enter this line of work to be a mouthpiece for anyone.
I really care about the truth.
And I feel that if you want to live in a democracy, you have to make sure that people are getting accurate information to make the right decisions for themselves once they're casting a ballot.
And so I felt angry because I felt misled by the media.
And now, you know, it was partly my fault too, because I was in a bubble and I was only getting one side of every story.
And even if I agree with that side, I should at least hear what the opposing argument is.
And I wasn't going out of my way to do that before.
Now I do.
And so I see things as far more complex and nuanced.
And it's hard to make an argument that's going to appease any audience at this point, because I think a lot of Americans have been conditioned to be partisan and prioritize partisanship before truth.
And I think truth is what will set us free genuinely.
Truth will help us ensure that we have a better government.
And I'm sorry, one side or the other does not have a monopoly on the truth.
They just don't.
And one side might get something right one time.
The other side might have a good point when it comes to a different issue.
And I think we just need to be open-minded.
And more importantly, we need to have conversations with people.
Because if you just rely on what the media is saying about a particular political figure or a particular media figure, why are you letting them tell you what to think about individuals?
Why don't you actually do a little bit of digging or have these conversations yourself and try to figure out who these people really are?
You know, like the speech you gave at Turning Point, you said a few things in there that I might not agree with, but like the overall message was so courageous.
And I never thought in a million years I would hear it at a conservative conference.
I became politicized in the lead up to the Iraq invasion in 2003.
Yes.
I was in high school.
And I remember in 2002, I went to like a hippie, you know, magnet school.
And we had Peace Day annually.
And I remember giving a speech in 2002 to make the case against the preemptive war in Iraq.
And I remember, you're going to laugh at this.
I remember in English class, we were reading a play, The Glass Menagerie, which I found deeply boring.
And I had like a, yeah, I had a cutout of a New York Times article in which Bill Crystal was one of the people the reporter interviewed.
And, you know, Bill Crystal loves war, loves war, hardcore neocon.
And I just remember like just sitting in that English class, reading his quotes and seething over it and thinking to myself, I can't wait to one day get an opportunity to like confront him.
And I actually did get that opportunity.
It wasn't about war, but it was a Politicon panel debate about healthcare.
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Okay, so you, I just wanted to emphasize that point.
You would, you came to the conclusion that you were wrong and you said so out loud.
They're like literally, I can't tell you how many times on my way to work on the freeway, I almost hit a mentally ill homeless person who's on the freeway.
And it's just, I find it to be, you want to talk about treason.
Politicians who let this kind of stuff happen to the Americans they're supposed to represent.
And people mistake that as me being anti-homeless.
No, no, the people who defend what's happening right now, they're anti-homeless.
Seven people died of drug overdose on the same corner near where I live in a two-week span.
Seven people, same corner.
That wasn't a big scandal.
The city council member who represents my district wasn't asked about it.
She didn't have to defend herself.
She's one of these city council members who keeps voting on the dumbest policies that do nothing to actually help these people, but somehow justifies the continuation of the same failed policies that have led to all of these overdose deaths, all of these people with mental health issues not getting the help that they need.
But it's really interesting because while there's this openness in regard to the failed policies in private discussions, no one wants to say anything publicly because you'll get the kind of treatment I've gotten.
Yeah, no, I'm stigmatizing the very politicians who think that this situation is okay.
The same politicians who took our tax dollars, $24 billion worth of California's taxpayer money, okay, squandered it by funneling it to these NGOs and nonprofits that are run by their friends.
So I'm not going to have dinner with someone who's like, no, I think we should keep stealing money from taxpayers in the highest tax state in the country.
No, I'm not interested in that.
But when I do have dinner with my friends or with, you know, acquaintances or even like people that I just met, but, you know, for whatever, whatever reason, our paths crossed and we're having dinner.
They all agree with me.
You know, most people agree with me.
And I don't think what I'm saying is at all offensive, which is why I keep saying it.
I'm not going to stop saying it just because some idiots are going to try to smear me for doing it.
I guess it does something to your body where after you take it, like if you see someone who's literally standing, but they're like hunched over, like folded over.
Trump offends the sensitivities and sensibilities of self-identified liberal Democrats so much that they think they have to like automatically take the opposite stance of what a conservative would say or what a Trump supporter would say.
But that's why I want people to start talking again and not make Donald Trump like the nucleus of our politics.
Because I think that, you know, again, on a lot of the important issues, there's a lot of agreement among voters.
They just have to allow themselves to think for themselves.
I mean, if you've got seven people dying in one intersection in Los Angeles, you're not going to tell me that Iran is a greater threat to my country than that.
Because I can't think of a greater threat to my country than that, actually.
And so, and I don't have any idea why that's partisan.
I'm interested in the governor.
I know the governor of the state.
He's got some, I know Gavin Newsom.
He's got some talent, I think, and charming for sure.
But like, what is going on?
Is he aware of that?
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I've asked him and I. You really find him charming?
And I think that he destroyed the state of California.
Full stop.
I've got no love for Gavin Newsome.
I think that people tend to fall for appearances.
And he's, for whatever reason, people think that he's attractive or something.
I don't find him attractive because I know who he is and what he's done.
He has shafted Californians who have lost everything in wildfires.
The fire in Paradise, California was absolutely devastating.
An entire community burnt down as the result of PG ⁇ E, Pacific Gas and Electric, that's the utility company, refusing to upgrade their aging equipment.
Their equipment is over 100 years old.
And so what started that fire was this metal hook that had eroded to the point where it broke.
Power lines come crashing down onto dry brush.
It sparks a fire and destroys an entire community.
Okay.
So you would want PG ⁇ E to suffer some consequences for that, right?
Well, Newsom bailed him out because it's one of his biggest donors.
He recently in an interview, I can't remember, he's been doing these like podcast interviews to kind of rebrand himself as like some sort of common sense guy.
I want this country to improve for the people in this country.
And unless we are willing to be honest, unless we're willing to tell the people trying to smear us to silence us that they can F off, nothing's going to improve.
Everything's going to keep going down.
Everything is going to continue devolving.
In my lifetime, this country has only gotten worse, not better.
I really, I think there's something psychological about it.
I think that we've been conditioned to think of politics as black and white, Good and bad, but I think it's more complicated than that.
I think most Americans are good people who want good things for everyone.
But I think the media kind of conditions us to hate the other side, whatever the other side really is.
You know, I certainly had those feelings.
And things are different today compared to when I became politicized during the Bush era.
I feel like during the Bush era, it was a little easier to see good and bad, right?
So for instance, even among Republican voters, I think people had woken up to the fact that the neoconservatives had dragged us into wars that we shouldn't have been fighting, that a lot of people, Americans and civilians in these countries we were invading, were suffering as a result of this ideology.
But things have gotten a little more fractured.
I think within the parties, there's like multiple parties.
But when it comes to the two establishments, the Democratic establishment, the Republican establishment, there's a lot of similarities between the two.
I'm not minimizing them, but the way that they're framed by the establishment, I think is interesting because it's intentionally meant to get us to fight each other constantly.
Instead of considering what the big issues are and how we might actually agree on those big issues, what we can do to work together to, again, apply pressure to politicians to demand that they represent us instead of their donors, instead of money to interest, instead of a foreign government.
So I think people are waking up for the first time.
I'm a little bit excited because, you know, the kind of speech that you gave wouldn't have happened five years ago.
Let me just say that for whatever anyone might think about Jank Uger, who's the founder and CEO of the Young Turks, you know, he's, he's a very Like he's he's sometimes brash, combative, loud, and that turns people off.
And I get that.
They might not agree with his politics, but I just want to talk about who he is as a person.
Because if it weren't for Jank, I wouldn't have the confidence to publicly admit I'm wrong or the confidence to be genuine and honest about what I really think.
Because he provides a platform for you to actually say what you think and not get punished for it if it hurts the business.
I mean, okay, I would say that the straw that broke the camel's back was I agreed to go talk to Glenn Beck.
He invited me to go on his podcast.
You know, I obviously have disagreements with Glenn Beck, but I was actually shocked at how much we agreed on.
You know, we talked about war.
We talked about all sorts of things.
And there were areas of agreement.
It was a pleasant conversation, but I didn't capitulate my values at all.
Just because I'm talking to him doesn't mean I've done anything wrong.
My views are my views.
His views are his views.
We had a conversation.
Well, I come home thinking nothing of it.
And one of our employees, someone who's a contributor to TYT or was a contributor to TYT, decided to take that as an opportunity to make a big spectacle about the fact that he's quitting because I decided to speak to Glenn Beck, who's like a threat to black bodies or something.
I mean, no one was citing anything I said during that interview that upset them that that was so offensive that it was worthy of like publicly condemning me and making a big spectacle about how I can't work here because of Anna and she spoke to this dangerous, dangerous man.
But, you know, unfortunately, you know, when you have someone make a public spectacle about quitting and making it seem as though I had done something so wrong, it signaled to a portion of our audience, like, oh, maybe Anna isn't who she says she is.
Maybe Anna is like a secret, like far right winger or a Nazi or I don't know.
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I have a nephew who loves you and he's always, oh, Ducko, you got to interview this chick.
She's amazing.
And I'm so glad.
Sorry, excuse me.
It just makes me laugh.
I mean, I just, I love what you're saying, of course.
But you also are making a point about the guy you work with, who started the company, owns the company, who even after some of your audience bolted over this, he didn't call you in and say, knock it off?
And he and I have like a lot of these heart to hearts because I have these days when I am down about everything that's transpired because I do feel like it's unfair to paint me in a certain light just because you don't like the people I'm talking to.
But whenever I need like a little bit of a pep talk, he'll mention what it was like as a college Republican.
And he's like, Anna, it was unbearable because they wouldn't let me talk in class.
Like they would do everything possible to prevent me from being able to speak.
I mean, being scared didn't deter me, but I was more concerned about what it was going to do to the company overall, because if things were bad enough and we didn't have enough revenue to keep every employee, people were going to get fired or laid off.
And I wouldn't, I would really struggle with the guilt.
I would feel responsible for that.
And so I'm glad that that didn't happen.
And we're currently, we're rebuilding and it's a dream come true for me because I want to build an audience of open-minded people who aren't going to like run for the hills the second they hear a point that they disagree with or that they haven't heard before or that they haven't heard before exactly.
Cause there's, I think there's a lot of that where if, you know, if you get past the initial shock, like you'll say something, be like, well, first of all, you're not allowed to say that.
Second, I've never heard anybody say that.
And I kind of hate you for saying something new.
But I do think that wears off after a moment.
And people are like, well, actually, is that crazy?
I mean, it's, I think it's just, it's propaganda and this thought that certain things are way worse than they really are or that like their perceived threats, I think, aren't real to the extent that they think it's real.
And by speaking out and by confronting you and by, you know, doing what you're referring to, I think they get a sense of I'm doing something about it.
So, and as you so eloquently described, like that rage obscures, and I think maybe it's designed to obscure the reality of like physical degradation all around us.
I think it is to some extent intentional, but since you do live in that world and have for so long, as rationally as you can, clinically as you can, can you explain what they're worried about?
So I feel weird talking about what they're thinking and every person should be worried about the centralization of power and the use of technology to strip basic rights from citizens.
I mean, the technology, not just Palantir, but all the emerging technology, supercomputing, AI, all of this stuff, facial recognition, like it could be used to enslave the population really easily.
I'm also a little bit worried about, and I don't know how large this group of people in America happens to be, but you're hearing from them more and more.
This idea that, no, we need to move toward a post liberal and like post-liberal democracy.
You know what I'm saying?
Like a rejection of the democratic process overall.
Like Curtis Yarvin is one of the figures who's been kind of preaching about this.
He sounds really dumb.
So I don't know how seriously people really take him, but he's, he purports to want a monarchy in this country, which sounds insane.
No, no, I'm talking more about like quality of life questions.
Like if there are home invasions going on and the homeowner doesn't have any expectation the cops are going to save him, that kind of stuff, that's not theoretical.
And actually, you make a really good point, which is why it's so important for Americans who value liberal democracy to really start thinking seriously about saving it.
But don't you feel like when people are under, like if you were on a plane flying across the Pacific that dropped 20,000 feet in a minute and you're saying your prayers, maybe you're an atheist, you're saying prayers anyway, couldn't control yourself.
And would you, what would you be willing to do or give up in exchange for not dying?
In other words, if you're totally panicked, you're in free fall in a commercial airliner.
God, I will do anything.
Like that's kind of what is happening with crime, I think.
It's, it is a problem when most Americans agree on something and our politicians know it, but they do the opposite anyway.
And I've been increasingly angry with the fact that, you know, I feel that the interests of Americans and how they feel about going to war with Iran, for instance, right?
Most Americans do not want to go to war with Iran and it didn't matter.
Okay.
The United States bombed Iran's nuclear sites on behalf of Israel anyway, which could have led to a full-blown hot war.
It didn't because of Iran having restraint, but we're not done yet.
Maybe we should be more concerned about profits for, you know, bomb makers and weapons manufacturers and private contractors and the mercenaries that are currently working over in Gaza to shoot and kill people as they're waiting for humanitarian aid.
So how does that, it does feel like I've spent 35 years not talking about that topic because one, I don't really have on a native level, like super strong views about it.
It's not my country.
I wish everyone well in every country.
And I mean that.
However, it just got so in my face that I had to like say four things about it for which I've been, you know, spent the rest of my life trying to deal with the effects of being called those names.
But I feel like all of a sudden, like people you would not expect to weigh in on this, like, actually, this is too much.
I, if it were the Bush years and this whole scenario were playing out during those years, the kinds of things I've been hearing people say publicly, I would not have heard.
But I think what's happening this time around is you really can't deny what you're seeing on the ground in Gaza.
You can't deny what's happening in the West Bank, you know, not just in regard to Palestinians, Palestinian Muslims, but also Palestinian Christians.
You can't deny the fact that that one and only Catholic church in Gaza was bombed, you know, was attacked.
You can't deny the fact that churches have been targeted in the West Bank as well.
Like, it's people can lie to us as much as they want, but the videos are out there.
If you've got munitions, laser-guided munitions that are so sophisticated that they can take out, you know, a guy in an SUV from 30,000 feet, how do you blow up a church with a giant cross on top of it?
Israel wants a Jewish state and they want to expand.
They have something known as the Greater Israel Project.
They intend to annex the whole of the West Bank.
In fact, Miriam Adelson legally bribed Donald Trump to ensure that that happens.
And Israel announced that that's what they're going to do and they're doing it.
When it comes to Gaza, I mean, Hamas is so dumb because the atrocities they committed on October 7th gave Netanyahu and the Israeli government the perfect excuse to essentially do what they've always wanted to do, which is take that land.
They're going to take that land.
That's what they want.
They're going to ethnically cleanse whatever remains of the Palestinian people.
They're going to force neighboring countries probably to absorb 2 million people.
And then at the same time, they're going to have settlers move on in, rebuild Gaza.
Jared Kushner, by the way, soon after October 7th happened, was like salivating on camera about how that's prime real estate.
I believe it was in the New York Times, where Netanyahu and the Israeli government was in talks with our government in regard to getting aid from the United States in moving Palestinians out of Gaza.
So when they bomb the church, it's because they don't want the church.
That land is supposed to be part of the Jewish people.
I mean, I think it's, it should definitely be a red line.
But let me just say, Mike Huckabee made a statement, and that's nice.
It's more than Biden was willing to do.
Talk is cheap.
Are you going to cut funding?
Are you going to stop sending over the 2,000-pound bombs that are destroying people's homes, universities, churches, refugee camps, hospitals?
I mean, Gaza's leveled.
Deir al-Bala is like the last remaining portion of Gaza that still has some structures that people can live in.
And they're currently doing a ground invasion there.
They got to destroy it, of course.
I mean, it's so obvious what's happening and it's so unjust.
And this is the area where what democracy?
I have no power.
The government's going to take part of my earnings that I worked really hard for, not to help my fellow American citizens who might need health care, who might have fallen on hard times and can't feed their families and need help with food assistance.
It's not going to go to them.
It's going to go toward the bombs that are terrorizing people in Gaza, the West Bank.
By the way, it's going to expand further than that.
I mean, they've already annexed part of Syria.
The Syria war, that proxy war, was a proxy war for a reason.
Turkey wanted to have influence and control over the area where the Kurds are at.
Obviously, Israel wanted to annex portions of it, and they've been doing it ever since Assad fell.
And you have a former al-Qaeda leader as the current leader of Syria who's trying to capitulate to Israel, but obviously it's not good enough because Israel's still bombing the crap out of Syria.
It's unbelievable.
I have no ability to change it.
It seems like the electorate in this country have no ability to change it because it doesn't matter which party you vote for, whether it's a Democratic presidential candidate or Republican presidential candidate, they're going to get elected and they're going to get dogwalked by whoever the prime minister of Israel is at the time.
So we've got to be pretty, I mean, that wasn't that long ago.
We've got to be pretty anti-Al-Qaeda because like if they actually killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11, which everyone says they did, and I'm willing to believe that, then how in the world can we let any al-Qaeda even exist?
And we've gotten to a place now where it's really clear that the 3,000 American lives they say were lost on September 11th due to al-Qaeda are less important than whatever political or geopolitical consideration is driving our Syria policy.
Well, there was about four years ago, there was a pretty brutal war.
Azerbaijan attacked the Armenians who were living in this area known as Nagorno-Karabakh.
Armenians call it Arzach.
And historically, Armenians have had roots there.
There are ancient churches, Armenian churches there.
And that land, if you look at a map of where Nagorno-Karabakh is, it's like in the middle of Azerbaijan.
Not exactly in the middle, but it's basically like, let's say, here's Azerbaijan, like circle.
And it's like kind of off to one side, Nagorno-Karabakh is.
And the reason that land was, well, the whole of Azerbaijan was controlled by the Soviets, right?
But during that time, Stalin essentially gave the land that makes up Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, like promised that land to them, even though that area was populated by ethnic Armenians.
And he did that.
I mean, Stalin was evil in a lot of ways, but he was also very smart, which is the most dangerous combination.
And so he wanted both the Azeris and the Armenians to be dependent on the Soviet Union.
And the way to do that is to put the ethnic Armenians smack dab in the middle of, you know, Azerbaijan.
And so it became an issue because, you know, throughout history, Armenians went to war with the Azeris in regard to controlling that land because most of the people there were Armenian.
They wanted to control that land.
And so what happened four years ago in 2020 is Azerbaijan's like, we want the Armenians out.
Russia has provided security guarantees to Armenia in the past, but unfortunately, in this case, Russia didn't come to the defense of ethnic Armenians.
They said that the security guarantees had to do with Armenia and not Nagorno-Karabakh.
So a lot of Armenians died.
A lot of churches, ancient churches were absolutely destroyed and bombed.
And the Azeris engaged in the ethnic cleansing of ethnic Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh.
They were forced out if they weren't killed.
And some of them ended up in Armenia.
And Armenia, of course, is going to take them in.
But it's been really difficult because Armenia is a tiny country.
It's a developing country.
It's landlocked and it's surrounded by enemies and historically has been victimized by Turkey through the Armenian genocide.
I mean, it's been pretty devastating.
And it's, you know, I've been very vocal about what's been happening in Gaza and Armenians have been very proud of me for that.
But a few have been like, why didn't you speak up about Nagorno-Karabakh?
I did.
I did actually at the time, but it happened four years ago.
Of course, the religious minority at the very end of the Ottoman Empire, end of the First World War, and they were murdered in enormous numbers by the Ottomans, using the Kurds, I think, for a lot of it.
And the Kurds, we love the Kurds.
But I don't understand why I just see this theme.
You may disagree with this, but I see a global theme where the most peaceful religion in the world is taking the most abuse and there's the most murder of Christians.
I don't quite know what that is.
And I just am amazed that nobody says anything in the United States.
But to his credit, I mean, through our very difficult conversations at times, through our debates, he eventually realized, oh my God, like I was totally brainwashed.
The Armenian genocide is totally real.
And we talk about it all the time on the show.
And I'm, that's like probably one of my proudest accomplishments because I could have turned my back on him, made him out to just be a terrible person who's unworthy of me even like talking to him.
But instead, I made a decision to try to convince him, to persuade him.
And it took a while, but it worked.
And to me, seeing the humanity in someone who has like a fundamental disagreement that enrages me.
I think that probably out of all the qualities that make me human, I think that's my best quality.
My willingness to try to persuade before I write someone off is unworthy.
When he was two years old, though, the family wanted to move back to the homeland.
My grandfather really cared about that.
So they moved to Armenia, but it was difficult because at that point, when the diaspora was moving back, the Armenians who never left, like there were cultural differences.
Because think about it.
I mean, if you're going to an Arab country, you take on some of their cultural practices and stuff.
And then when you go back to Armenia, there's a little bit of a disconnect, you know?
So like there was a lot of Armenians who went to Syria, Lebanon.
There's a huge Armenian community in Lebanon.
Iran.
In fact, there's a huge Armenian community in Iran till this day, Christian Armenians who are openly practicing their Christianity and going to church.
In LA, I mean, look, I don't want it to paint a picture of Armenians overall because there's a huge Armenian population and they're very successful and hardworking and they're.
Yeah.
But, you know, you're always going to have bad apples.
It happens.
And I have no problem with them being brought to justice.
And that's what went down.
I think the feds actually investigated it.
And it was a multi-year investigation.
And they were defrauding, you know, Medicare.
There were like all sorts of financial crimes were taking place.
I mean, I think cable news is in a lot of trouble.
Yeah.
Because whether people want to believe it or not, I think most Americans are actually pretty smart and privy to the fact that they're not really getting the whole story when they watch traditional media, when they read legacy media.
And so there's a lot more competition now online.
And you have long form like this.
We're having a long form conversation where there's space to actually explore the complexities of various issues.
But just going back to the partisan hackery, I was recently on, you know, Abby Phillips' show and we were talking about the Epstein files and whether or not, you know, they should be released.
Members of his administration kept like using the Epstein files as like bait to like entice the base.
And then also at the same time, while Trump might not have ran on it, he did use the Epstein files to attack Democrats like Bill Clinton, right?
So you're drawing attention to that and you're making the release of the Epstein files a lot more desirable to your base.
To then turn around and engage in this like weird, what I believe to be a cover-up, not a good look, not a good look at all.
So when we're having this discussion about what's happening at this very moment and the Republican guy immediately goes to Democrats bad, it's like, okay, I know the Democrats are bad.
Can we just, let's talk about this moment right now where promises were made, but promises are not kept when it comes to this specific issue.
The fact that Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout, but Bill Barr's father, who worked for the OSS, hired him to be a math teacher at the Dalton School, which is a prestigious school that would only hire like prestigious teachers.
Jeffrey Epstein wasn't that.
He wasn't a prestigious teacher.
He dropped out of college.
I don't know.
There's just a lot of smoke and it's led to distrust in our institutions.
It's led to a lot of suspicions.
And I would like to know, and I think this is very important, whether we live in a sovereign country where our politicians are actually representing us or if we're living in a situation where a foreign country might have blackmail on our politicians or people in positions of power.
And as a result, that blackmail is being used to force these politicians to pursue policies that are not beneficial to the American people, but beneficial to a foreign country.
Do you really want to know or will you admit that it's immoral of you to want to know and that maybe you just can't handle the truth and maybe you're a hater for wanting to know?
Do you sincerely think that anybody on either side of the aisle, which doesn't even exist, but whatever, left, right, wherever, could watch what you've said for the last almost two hours and come away angry?
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