Aaron Rodgers and Tucker Carlson dissect COVID-19 vaccine skepticism, citing studies like the 44% miscarriage rate in vaccinated pregnant women while criticizing divisive rhetoric from figures like Jimmy Kimmel. They expose systemic corruption—from Ed Snowden’s exile to RFK Jr.’s blocked Secret Service protection—and link FDA/CDC revolving doors to rising chronic diseases post-1980s deregulation. Rodgers advocates for transparency on JFK’s assassination, UFO/UAP cover-ups, and Epstein-related networks, warning of dystopian surveillance trends like China’s social credit system. Both reject anarchy but demand institutional reform, emphasizing empathy over polarization as the antidote to media manipulation and government overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
Just leaving the science aside, but as a pure kind of like marketing question.
I'm going to see who makes this.
I guess they're all the same, but some company makes this.
If you're the company making this, do you really think people are going to be up at this point for a vaccine that just has no real purpose, but just kind of for the sake of a vaccine?
With the articles, with the change in stances by everybody from Chris Cuomo on down who have either had vaccine injuries or side effects or just look at things differently.
And it's caused me to, I think, have a little bit more empathy and compassion for those people who had a ton of fear, thought they were doing the right thing for themselves, for their friends, for their families, and went through.
All the mass formation psychosis that we all did.
It's just full-court propaganda against us and are now going, oh, shit, maybe that wasn't the best.
Maybe they lied to us.
Maybe they weren't being truthful.
Maybe this wasn't safe, even though they said from the beginning 100% safe and effective.
Everybody from Biden to the head of the FDA and CDC on down, WHO. So I think it's important for us to...
If we want to make a difference, which I do, and I don't necessarily want to be way a part of the conversation anymore, is how do we call people forward with compassion and kindness that just come over to the side of being awake to what's going on?
Because I think we all need to come to the grips that this could happen again.
There's the other swath that goes, I did this because you told me to do this, and this was mandated.
And now you're walking back all those things you said to me back then.
Now there's some anger.
So there's the whole population that's like, I'm going to keep doing this, and I'm going to wear my mask in public, and I'm going to get another booster in your fucking face, right?
And then there's the other group that's like, I know I did this to keep my job.
To keep from being canceled?
To keep you off my back?
And now you're going to walk back and say you didn't say it was safe and effective and you didn't say I wouldn't get or I wouldn't acquire or transmit COVID? What do you mean?
Now you're changing history.
That's the only reason I got it.
You said this is the only way to be safe and there was no side effects?
That was all stuff that was said.
And there's videos out there you can check.
So there's that side of the population that's like, hold the fuck on.
I think so, and I think that's a great place to be.
You know, like, when you step into this, you personally, when I'm talking about you, when you stepped into this realm, you know, you were the number one anchor at the number one show nightly.
And the stuff you were taking on, and then the way that you were ousted there, and then you go to X, and you're the fucking, you know, the interviews you're doing, the numbers you're going, then you go and interview Putin.
Like, you're putting yourself in harm's way.
I commend you just like I commend Bobby Kennedy because there's, Bobby said recently, there's a lot worse things than dying.
But when you go into that, it's just to piggyback off what you just said.
I don't know this personally, but I know that you must have a relationship with death where you realize that it's inevitable and, you know, I'd rather, like, live the way I want to live, stand for what I believe in, than, like, live in the fear that something could happen to me.
So, of course, yeah, and by the way, I have the massive advantage of having grown children, so when you have little kids at home, and I... I haven't had a very adventurous or dangerous life, but a couple times.
One time in particular, I was pretty sure I was going to die, and I had little kids at home.
And I was in a plane crash, and I remember as it was going down, I was like, oh my gosh, they're not going to thrive if I die.
I mean, that really terrified me.
But now that they're grown, it's like, I am going to die.
So then you realize, what are you going to do to me?
I'm not afraid at all.
And I mean that.
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So, the people who...
Got the vaccine, don't want to talk about it because they feel shame.
I get it.
The people who went along with it because they really believed it and now are starting to realize, oh gosh, I was misled, but I can't admit that because it makes me look like an asshole, weak, like a follower.
I understand that too.
The people who called for the death of the unvaccinated, that's kind of the category that's harder for me.
Dr. Fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded, they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU. But that choice doesn't seem so tough to me.
There's a great mash-up that Rogan talked about a few times where there's all these different shows and it said, brought to you by Pfizer.
Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer.
I think you have to realize that there's...
It's all about the money.
And as you get into this, you read Bobby's book about the real Anthony Fauci, you realize if you want to know what's really going on, not just in big pharma, but in government, is follow the money.
And even in the NFL, I mean, there was a strong push.
They sent stooges out to every team to try and enforce a vaccination level above 90% of every team with zero exemption, with zero informed consent.
Just get this so that we look good because...
Big Pharma ad spend is humongous, not just on the late night shows.
It obviously influences Hollywood, the NFL. So you have to understand who is actually putting the strings in it.
If you know any of the history about some of the human experiments that went on and ridiculous things in some of those communities.
If you know about what's gone on in foreign countries as well with some of these vaccines, predominantly...
Places like Africa, where people have been maimed and killed and paralyzed by these vaccines, many of which are not actually approved anymore in the States, get sent over to Africa.
Again, that's a reference to something that Bobby talked about in his book about Fauci.
There's a lot of interesting chapters around that.
So on a base level, there was a lot of hesitancy, like, I don't think this is, I'm going to do this.
But in the NFL, it was like, if you're working, For a team, there was no choice.
It was get faxed.
If you're a player, there was a choice.
But if you chose not to get it, then you had a whole different set of rules.
You had to wear a different colored armband.
You couldn't go to a restaurant.
You couldn't spend time at somebody's house and when three people were there.
You couldn't go anywhere on the road.
You had to test every single morning and not enter the building until you got a negative back.
That all went away.
Once the playoffs happened, because of course they didn't want to ruin the money at that point, and all the testing went away.
I gotta ask, if they're making you wear a colored piece of clothing, since all of us grew up in the United States where World War II is the only historical event we learn about, forcing a small despised minority to identify itself with a yellow piece of clothing?
It seems kind of resonant.
Did anyone at the NFL say maybe not a good idea to force people to wear yellow armbands if they weren't vaxxed?
I mean, when the Stooge came and talked to us, I asked a lot of questions about informed consent, about testing, about liability.
And he basically didn't answer any of my questions.
The president of the team ended the meeting.
And I tell you, a ton of people from every level of the building came up afterwards and thanked me for asking the questions because many of them had no choice.
Just get vaxxed or lose your job.
And there are certain coaches around the league who quit because they don't want to get vaxxed.
I'm sure there may have been fake cards that went around.
And we also know there was many batches that were super toxic and deadly and many batches that were perhaps saline and didn't cause any adverse effects.
I have read things about the amount of vaccines that went out wouldn't have been possible to produce that to that level, so there may have been some knowledge around that.
But again, that's just conjecture, and I don't have any specific evidence on that.
I'm not an expert at that, but I am an expert at my body and what goes in it and how I feel about that.
Yeah, you know, the whole thing has been a real interesting thought experiment in action around what people are willing to put up with, how you can control through fear, and how obedient someone will be.
Because remember what was going on on all the networks.
You had the live death tolls that were ticking up as you watched the TV. You had the live case numbers.
You had...
Just the fear-mongering.
And then anybody that stood up to it was canceled.
I mean, all the Twitter files that got released when Elon took over that show the collusion between the alphabet companies that, you know, control a lot of stuff and the old, you know, people with X, what was going on at Facebook and the censorship and all these true experts in it.
You know, the Robert Rollins, the Peter McCullers, the Peter Quarries, all these different people who stood up, the Alex Berenson, who, you know, said, tried to just get the message out.
We're silenced and censored.
I think a person with any level of common sense would, even if they got their backs, would go, that's kind of weird.
Why are we silencing all dissenting opinions?
When in the history of the world has censorship ever been?
It's been done by the good guys.
You know, the good guys are the ones doing the censorship.
That actually doesn't happen.
What are you scared of?
You're scared of people being able to make up their own mind?
And a lot of 19th century sort of free-minded people in Europe looked over at what was happening in the newly minted United States and said that's going to become a dictatorship ultimately.
I think entitlement is a big part of our society that has been...
You know, a cancer for us because people believe that their opinion is more important than somebody else's opinion.
You know, it was weaponized against people who chose not to get the vaccine.
People would say, your freedom isn't more important than my fucking right to live.
But I think that ultimately it creates It creates too many voices that are all about division.
A true democracy where every vote matters means that all of us are important to the whole.
But when democracy spirals out of control and entitlement is the common thread through it, then nobody believes that your opinion matters as much as their opinion.
And it goes into a straight, egotistical Narcissistic view, which ultimately leads to some sort of fascism, some sort of tyrannical stuff.
And when it's weaponized by the people in control who control the messaging and the media, control the food supply, control the water supply, you're fighting a losing battle.
Yeah, I was at the Kentucky Derby this last weekend and they were swearing in some new recruits to, I think, join the Army.
And so they had them repeat after the sergeant or whatever who was swearing them in.
And I just was stuck with that one line that, protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Yes.
And I said kind of domestic out loud because I was like, are we forgetting that one?
Because there's a lot of...
Domestic people in this country who actually don't love America, who actually don't want to see us thrive.
I'm super patriotic.
I think it's because my grandpa fought in the Second World War, was a prisoner of war, and believed in freedom and fought for it and lost many friends.
He was in the Air Force who were at Pearl Harbor and flew many bombing missions over to try and liberate The French and Polish people there over in Europe and almost lost his life for it and lost a lot of friends and believed in this country and the freedoms that he was willing to fight and die for.
And so that's who I grew up in, you know, and I love this country and I want to see it thrive.
And I think there's a lot of people that don't give a shit about it.
And if you look at some of the policies, how does it make any sense to have...
You know, open borders, to have non-secure elections, to have, you know, the lobbying that we have in Washington where, you know, the pharmaceutical companies, the big ag, the big everything controls the policy of the policymakers.
You have people in Congress and the Senate who...
You know, who go right from, you know, their duties to these huge, you know, huge profitable jobs.
They're speaking engagements and pick a swath of the economy, whether it's banking or ag or military defense or whatever it is.
And everybody's in everybody's pocket.
And then you create these bills that have 40 different things in it.
And we're spending billions of dollars to Ukraine and billions of dollars to Israel and billions of dollars to these college campuses.
There's just a lot of issues right now that seem really un-American.
And I think there's a lot of red-blooded Americans.
People are like, how can Trump have such support?
Well, people are fed up with it.
And he speaks the rhetoric of taking back, making America great again and stuff.
My thing is he had four years to do it and didn't drain the swamp.
And whether he just got scared because of what he learned when he was in there, I think it's very plausible.
But that's why I was interested when Bobby came to me and said, would you think about being my running mate?
And he gets asked this question, you know, why is America so star-spangled great?
You know, what makes America so great?
Somebody says like democracy and somebody says like freedom.
He's like, you know, he doesn't want to answer the question.
He says, you know, the preamble of the Constitution is the greatest piece of, you know, written material ever.
Something like that.
And then he goes, no, I'm not going to let you off like that.
You know, you've got to give me an answer.
And he goes into this, like, three-minute monologue about how America is not the greatest country anymore.
He talks about the literacy rates and math rates and reading rates.
We spend more than the next 25 on defense spending.
But at the end he said, America's not the greatest country anymore, but it could be.
And he talks about what it used to be.
We used to dream big dreams and build incredible...
Buildings and great technology and different things.
It's super patriotic.
And that starts the whole show out where he gets kind of canceled for this or he gets put on display like, oh my god, this guy is willing to tackle some of the big issues in this country and keep it real.
And I think that resonated with me because I'm like, yes, what used to make America great?
How can we get back to that?
And that's why I love people who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, like yourself.
And the stuff you would talk about on your show was...
I've lived in Washington for 35 years, and I didn't really quite...
I mean, I had lots of opinions, all kinds of opinions, but they were sort of aligned with the political party, and I didn't ever question any of the basic assumptions that I had.
People would say, oh, Roosevelt knew that the Japanese were going to attack Oahu in December of 1941. I was like, you must be crazy.
Well, it turns out...
That's true.
It was a Senate inquiry into it during the war that suggested that strongly because it's real.
That and a lot of other things.
But it took me a long time to even ask those questions.
And when I did, I was like, well, then I had to leave the city.
I moved out because I was so shocked by it and so distressed by it.
But you were saying that, I mean, the real question is not how did I come to that.
I mean, I was marinating in that world my whole life.
Why did it take me so long is the real question.
But how did you, or on an athletic track, how did you come to these conclusions?
Maybe didn't believe the Warren Commission or the official narrative, so I did a report on it.
It was more on JFK, because I think we had to pick an influential person from history to report on, so I picked JFK. In high school?
In high school.
And back then, with very limited internet access, I did a lot of research in the library and read a lot of things, read the Warren Commission, a decent amount of it, the Warren Report, and I was like, there's some bullshit in here.
This doesn't make sense.
You tell me this magic bullet from this guy went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, about through him, and then they just happened to find it, you know, in the hospital, a certain spot.
I was like, that doesn't sound right.
So that kind of got me into questioning things, conspiracies, for sure, questioning things.
I've seen some really interesting UAP phenomenons in the sky.
I've talked about it, and I know that's something you are fascinated by.
At the time, I also found a way to see the Zapruder film, which was very fascinating as well, even though it's super grainy.
And that kind of got me into questioning things, and then there's been a lot of really interesting things that have happened over the years.
My grandfather, though, I didn't get to know him that well, but I do know that he always questioned.
And believe that Roosevelt knew about the Japanese coming.
And that always stuck with him because he was super patriotic.
And another one of my heroes, Pat Tillman, who left the NFL to join the Army.
His death is very suspicious as well, in that, not the fact we know that he was killed by friendly fire, but the way they handled his body afterwards, his uniform, confiscating his last journal, using his death to prop up the war propaganda.
There's been a lot of great people in history who are super patriotic, who've questioned their government, and I think that's what I've done since I was a kid.
And recently, there's a gentleman writing a book about me.
And he's writing a chapter on him, and he went and found the war crime committee that actually interviewed him after he came back because he was mistreated over there.
There was a group of like, I think there were 10 people on his bomber.
One of the guys ruptured his spleen on the way down and they mistreated him.
Made him march like 20 miles in the freezing cold.
Didn't get him any medical treatment.
So there was like a war crimes commission that was doing an interview.
So he was interviewed about that.
And it talked about kind of how he was treated.
You know, how they put worms in his food and water for him.
Certain times and just the bad conditions there.
And that's all he went through.
He went through all that because he really cared about his country.
And I think even up until his death, there was for sure some bitterness, I would guess, around what was I actually doing and why was I doing it and who had to die?
My friends at Pearl Harbor for this country that I fucking love, that I almost died for.
There was a fascinating study, a very revealing study, that showed that at the height of Occupy Wall Street, The New York Times torqued up its coverage of racism.
So the word racist, racism, white supremacy went up hundreds of percent in the New York Times.
You can check all this on their database.
During Occupy Wall Street, it was almost like somebody decided it would be better to be at war with each other than to be asking questions about our financial system.
When I tested positive for COVID, my whole world changed.
And people I thought were allies in the media just turned on me.
They spammed my sponsors to the tune of one of my sponsors who's having a hard time keeping me.
They got spammed with 140 million impressions across all social media to get rid of me because of my choice about what I wanted to put in my body.
They didn't, to their credit.
They stuck with me for one more year.
Sponsors dropped me within a couple days, which is fine.
But yeah, when it came out, whether it was somebody from the campaign or not, released that I was a finalist to be Bobby's vice president, there was a total character assassination.
It was some bizarre story from 12 years ago that somebody thought they heard something, that I was questioning something.
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people have done that over the years.
There's been a lot of great stars who've done that, and I respect that.
I think I just...
I love this country, and I believe in this country.
I believe in people too much.
To just be quiet about things that seem so obvious to me.
And corruption in any form should be exposed.
And the evils in this world that are out there.
And you know, there's good and there's evil.
And the powers that be that don't want the light to shine, the good to exist, really push.
Push things that aren't in the best interest of anybody.
And I just got tired of dealing with it.
I also got to a point that Rogan got to, I think, and many other people, where I made my money.
I have a platform.
I've had success in my business.
What's the worst that you could do to me?
You could kill me.
At least I'm not dying on my knees.
Stand up for what I believe in, whether you agree with me or not, whether you agree with the way I went about it, that's your own opinion, that's fine.
But I feel good about the way that I've stood up for myself.
And like Bobby said, there's a lot worse things than dying.
And I would be dying a little bit every single day if I didn't say some of the stuff that's on my mind.
Now, I do want to not be a part of the war.
I would rather be a part of bringing people back into the fold and actually building bridges with some of those people.
Now there's the evil that exists that I don't care to engage with those people and they know who they are.
Most people that have attacked me that are beholden to big pharma or money or whatever it might be.
But I think if There's a chance for this country to keep going and to exist and to not be like the Roman Empire and fall from within.
And I don't know if that's even possible, honestly.
But I think it's got to start with love and compassion and empathy.
And I'd like to be a part of that conversation, if possible.
Well, they admitted early on, if they'd called this experimental gene therapy, nobody would have taken it.
So they called it a vaccine, and they changed the definition of vaccine.
Like, that's not.
That's not bullshit.
That's not conspiracy.
That's actually what happened.
They literally talked about this, I believe, as somebody at the WHO, CDC, one of those two.
Somebody can check me on that.
But there's literally a conversation that they were having where they're like, well, if we'd called this gene therapy, when maybe we thought it was about 5% to 10% of people that might take this, but we call it a vaccine, then that brings in all the potential being canceled as an anti-vaxxer.
Because that's related to me and you as well.
They have this game plan where it's like, you know, we're on a name call.
You know, anti-vaxxer, anti-Semite, bigot, racist, whatever it might be.
You know, we're going to censor you, then we're going to try and cancel you, then we're going to go after the people that you love and care about.
And that's kind of how they do it.
And so if they call it a vaccine, then all these people who are hesitant to not get canceled, not be shamed by being called an anti-vaxxer, are going to get in line to take it.
But big picture, do you have any guess as to what is the program here?
What is the point of this?
Is it depopulation?
Because that's its effect, of course.
The lockdowns and the vax depopulate by definition.
What you said, massive miscarriage rate, but also just keeping people inside for a year and a half destroys their ability to find a mate, destroys their souls.
I think there's some people that want depopulation.
Now, there's been video of Bill Gates that people think is taken out of context, but if you look at his track record and what he's done around the world, I don't know that he's a proponent of all life and people having more kids and more population on this earth.
Are you noticing all around, just in your life, are you noticing people begin to make reference to spiritual forces in a way they didn't say five years ago?
I think that more people are kind of waking up at that.
I think people that watched, and there's probably...
I don't know, 10, 15, 20 million at least that saw your interview on Rogan and saw you talk about the supernatural component of UAPs.
I think that is a good part of the conversation for people to reference.
I grew up in the church, and in the church you know that there's a battle that's going on between the seen and the unseen world, between good and evil, between the powers that we can see and the powers that we can't see.
And there's some wild things out there that we don't know about.
And there's some government secrets we don't know about.
At a bare minimum, whether you believe in alien life, UFOs, UAPs, whatever you want to call it, there's some technology out there that exists that finally has some sort of disclosure that the government or the powers that be don't think we're ready to...
Be given that information, which is kind of wild.
I actually don't understand it.
The thought process is it's going to change the way that we look at life or religion or whatever.
That gets in the whole other idea about religion being a way to control people, control thought maybe, which is pretty wild.
But disclosure, I think, needs to happen.
It's going to be interesting to see how it happens, where it happens.
But in my space where I'm at, where I do a lot of plant medicine, the veils between worlds and dimensions get very thin.
So the idea of seeing other entities, seeing angelic type of beings and demonic type beings is very normal.
And the idea that there's a demonic aspect to the UIP phenomenon I think is very plausible and interesting.
So you say plant-based medicine, I think you're referring probably to a lot of different things, but among those would be, say, ayahuasca or psilocybin mushrooms.
So the conventional understanding is that if you take a hallucinogen, you see...
Hallucinations.
Things that your brain creates that don't exist outside of you.
But you're suggesting that you can see things that are in effect real but that you don't normally see.
And I've done, I have many times now and I've had many incredible experiences.
Finally feel comfortable talking about it.
I wasn't maybe after the first like six times I sat and then I finally said, you know what?
This has made a huge impact on my life and made me feel more connected to this world and more loving and more in my heart.
And even this last ceremony, group of ceremonies that I did, I think has really helped me with the last four years of my life where I went from a pretty beloved, semi-enigma still, but pretty beloved athlete to a very polarizing figure.
And it's helped me to kind of Put that all in the right context and perspective and actually have a ton of gratitude for the whole process, even though it was tough up and down, and more empathy and compassion for those who've slandered me and canceled me or attempted to.
So it's been really important for me and really deep healing for me.
So many people from all different sports, I'm talking basketball players, tennis players, golfers, baseball players, hockey players, and then my own contemporaries in the league are all interested about it.
There's a base level of plant medicine use for the most part.
I would say it's marijuana.
And people have their own opinions about marijuana.
A lot of people are really interested about the healing effects they can have and the deeper sense of self-love and deeper sense of connection.
There's just so many myths about it and misnomers.
I like to say and kind of revised my view of that plant medicine is people like, oh, plant medicine, what is this shit, blah, blah, blah.
Medicine is anything.
That is healing that's not addictive.
And drugs are substances that are addictive.
And there's a ton of drugs.
And not all pharma is bad.
There's some incredible pharmaceutical stuff that's helped us with things that I've used.
Obviously, I've had many surgeries and had anesthesia, and I'm thankful for those types of drugs.
Medicine and food as medicine has been, you know, really impactful for my life.
And there aren't, you know, they're not addictive substances.
They're stuff that I like to use with deep reverence in ceremony setting.
And this made a big impact on my life.
And the people that know me have noticed the change.
People that don't know me, you know, have their shots and their opinions about me.
But I do have more empathy and compassion for all those people and for myself, too.
I'm just trying to do my best.
I was fighting a lot of battles when I tested positive for COVID and got canceled or attempted.
I don't feel like I need to fight as much of those.
What about you, though?
Because you did one of the most controversial, somehow, not to me, most controversial interviews in the last, I don't know how long, when you went to Russia and did Putin.
How did it feel coming back?
Because anybody who watched the interview was like, number one, it was fucking awesome.
Number two, Putin came off as an interesting, thoughtful, smart individual.
And if you've read 1984, you know the base game plan of government control is you have to have an enemy and you have to slander that enemy regardless if you know anything about him.
And I think a lot of people were like, oh, Putin apologists are like whitewashing all the stuff that he's done to the different people.
And I was just like, no.
I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he can speak on the history of the United States in the same way that Putin talked about the history of his country.
Yeah, I went to the Middle East after that for a while.
I mean, I was out of the country for almost a month.
So I missed, and I don't ever read about myself anyway, because I know who I am.
I don't need someone to tell me.
So I missed all of that, as I always do.
But the idea that someone would criticize an interview where...
You just let the guy talk for a couple hours.
I mean, I just think that's inherently useful.
I mean, I just wanted to do it as a documentary record of what Putin is like, or at least what he's like in this context, and people can decide for themselves.
I'm a big believer in letting people decide for themselves.
I think adult men have the right to come to their own conclusions about things.
Adults have the right to.
So I'll never stop believing that because we're not slaves.
We can have any opinion we want.
And if you don't like it, then try and change it through reason.
And if you can't, then fuck you.
And I really feel that way.
So that's the kind of perspective I had going in to talk to Putin.
My perceptions of him are exactly what you just said.
I thought he was an interesting guy, smart guy, impressive guy.
You know, in some ways, obviously a lot more impressive than Joe Biden.
But he's Russian, and he runs Russia.
And I'm American, and I live in America.
So I care about my country.
I want my leaders to be better.
I'm not on Putin's side.
I don't have any emotional attachment to any foreign country.
Because I'm not a foreigner.
I'm an American, and this is the only country I care about.
But for the record, yeah, I thought people can watch it and assess for themselves.
I have a lot of affection for it, just the fact that they would do what they did and expose what they exposed and knew the consequences.
How do you feel about those two?
And do you think there's any path back, whether it's Trump or Bobby?
Maybe not even Trump, because in fact Trump didn't do it, but if Bobby were to get elected, the opportunity to pardon those people, would they come back to the States, you think?
It's disgusting that they would use a term like traitor for him when he's literally exposing government corruption and stuff that you should give a shit about.
If I catch you robbing a liquor store and call the police, am I the criminal?
No.
You're the criminal.
You're robbing a liquor store.
Ed Snowden exposed crimes by the U.S. government against the American population.
U.S. citizens who are paying for this were being spied on illegally, and he's the criminal?
No, no, no.
He's the hero.
You are the criminal.
Mike Pompeo, director of the CIA, who is literally a criminal, and yet he's treated like, I mean, he's in the running to be defense secretary if Donald Trump wins.
With government, with the cabinet that happens, revolving door from the FDA to the CDC to the WHO. It's a secret handshake society of everybody just patting each other's back and staying in it.
That's the corruption that needs to be exposed, and it's out there.
That's why I have hope and I want Bobby to have a chance to debate and to get into it because if not, it's just going to be the same shit over and over and over.
And like when the financial crisis happened in 08, right?
And Obama put many of the people involved in it into his cabinet, into the Department of Treasury.
It was like one of the guys from Goldman and Sachs, I believe, who was a part of the whole fucking Shit, they went down.
And that's on Inside Job, which is a great documentary as well.
I think he loves standing up to the man, to the big corruption.
Now, he is royalty, because the Kennedy family is one of those special families, and his family has been a part of...
In a position of power or fame, riches for a long time.
But look at his life and what he's done.
He's gone after the EPA forever.
And he gets shit for his vaccine stance.
But he was never a part of that.
It was actually a couple women who came up to him when he was suing the EPA for years and winning.
For them destroying our water and destroying people's lives and weaning consistently.
And then he's like, oh shit, there's another issue that's going on.
It's the chronic disease epidemic in this country.
And he can give you all the numbers from what it was.
And there's certain dates in time where certain things happened where chronic disease went way up in the 80s specifically after a bill was signed by Ronald Reagan.
And since that time, if you look at a lot of the numbers, there's been a huge jump in chronic disease for kids, in illness, in SIDS, in autism, allergies, all these different things.
And he's just saying, listen, I'm not saying that causation is correlation 100%, but there has to be some sort of relationship here with this.
And why don't we do some studies on it?
Why don't we get some transparency?
Why don't we have these vaccines go through the normal trials and testing?
But I don't think Bobby would put those kind of people in his cabinet.
I don't think he would give power to those kind of people.
And, you know, like I've talked to him, You know, as frustrating as some of the alphabet gangs or organizations are, there's a lot of great people in them.
There's great people in the CIA, there's great people in the FBI, there's great people in the CDC and the WHO and the FDA who really care and think they're making a difference.
But there's a top line in a lot of those organizations that are actually at their core anti-American and are not doing things that's in the best interest of our people and we're fucking paying them.
It's on our dime.
And all the stuff that's happened post-9-11, you know, with the Patriot Act and the FISA Court, as far as the surveillance domestically and spying, and the fact that they are not actually unearthing these, like...
Domestic terrorist plots.
There's a lot of great documentaries and stuff.
You can look into that.
The fact that our food and water is not at an acceptable level.
The fact that our border is not at the right level.
The fact that some of the stuff that happened with ATF, they were tracking these guns that went to the cartel and they were being used to kill border agents and all these different shit that's gone on.
Again, I'm not saying that all those organizations are super corrupt.
There's a lot of fucking great men and women that work for those.
But there's some people at the top who aren't great people.
And that's what needs to change.
And I think Bobby would go in there and change a lot of that stuff.
And that's what his uncle and his father were trying to do.
Then he got into the OSS, which was a precursor to the CIA. Yes.
And he was probably a part of Operation Paperclip, which repatriated a lot of the German scientists.
Yes.
Which, there's some ethical issues with that.
He tried to get us into World War III in Cuba, Operation Northwoods.
And the majority of JFK's actually closest advisors, I believe they voted, and the majority said, let's do it.
And let's blow up this ship, and let's get us into World War III, and let's go after Cuba.
And JFK said, nope, ain't doing it.
Fired Alan.
And then Alan Dulles winds up.
Where?
As basically one of the main guys in the Warren Commission.
Chief Justice Warren was, I believe, only at nine of the 30-some-odd meetings that they had.
But the two guys that were really in control of it, from what I've read, are Alan Dulles, former fired head of the CIA, who ended up getting his job back, and there's an airport named after him, and Gerald Ford, future president, who was at the time number two at the FBI. An FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover, who hated the Kennedys.
Like, he's been around the political game for a long time.
And he's the only major candidate who's not gotten...
Secret Service protection.
They're also limiting and skewing, I believe, some of the polls to try and not just keep him out of a debate, but keep him out of Secret Service protection.
He's spending millions of his own dollars on private security, which he has to because he's a threat because he's not bought and paid for.
And he's a foil to the two-party system.
But I don't know if you saw this, but Bobby recently came out and said, In the summer months, at some point, he wants to do a 50-state poll with like 20,000, I don't know what the exact number is, votes in each of these states.
And whoever polls lower between him and Joe Biden has to drop out of the race.
Because in his own analytics, he's found out that if the three of them run, Trump is most likely to win.
If he goes against Trump, he wins.
If he goes against Biden, he wins.
If Biden goes against Trump, Trump wins.
So in fact, he said, hey, listen, I'll drop out if you pull higher than me in these 50 states.
But if I pull higher than you, you're out.
There's no way he'll go for that.
I think it's a brilliant model to be like, no, no, I'm not the foil.
Bobby's not the foil.
Bobby's a main player in this.
Going through this process and just entertaining it for a small time, to learn about the corruption with getting on the ballot, that's fucking wild.
So you've made reference a couple of times to the food supply, and you said, I don't know about, you know, I'm not an expert on vaccines, but I am an expert on food.
It's hard, but after you get past three days, you have this evolutionary impulse that kicks in, and you feel amazing, actually.
I got to the fifth day this year.
I was like, man, if I wasn't going on this trip, I would do 10 days.
Really?
Yeah, and it just resets your body.
And actually, there's a lot of great research.
Dana White was talking about it recently.
He did kind of before and after testing, and there's a lot of studies now that talk about the percentage goes way down of heart disease, heart attack, based on fasting.
Cancer, obviously, has a really hard time when you fast, or when you at least fast from sugar.
And that's kind of my problem with the whole, you know, the cancer industrial complex is that there's very little people treating cancer that kind of start a base level of diet.
And I'm not saying that all treatments are terrible.
There's a lot of, you know, people doing really great work and caring for patients, but diet should be the first thing that you look at, especially sugar.
I had a weird experience.
I was at the hospital years ago seeing a friend and a coach of mine who had a heart issue.
But in every single day, there's stuff that's finally coming out.
Like, I was just reading something.
There's four, you know, four, it was like Oreos, Lucky Charms, something else, and Gatorade, you know, has been exposed as having, like, forever chemicals in them.
And so there's finally...
People getting some of the message out and forcing, you know, these companies to change.
But the best way to vote in general is with your money.
I really believe that.
Obviously, you know, I'd love that if Bobby would win and we'll definitely vote for him.
And voting on a local level is really important, especially for your local, you know, DAs and sheriffs and different things is super important.
But like voting with our dollar is really important.
And companies that are involved in Shady practices, unethical practices, foods that have poison in them, and they know it.
Don't buy them, and they'll change.
They'll change, just like with the government.
If you don't follow their ridiculous draconian rules, they're going to change.
I think it goes back to the hunter-gatherer where you haven't had food in a few days and you get this fucking energy jolt from your system to go find food.
And after three days, I feel amazing.
I don't even need food.
And then just ease back into some stuff on day eight.
But I love it.
I did some Ayurvedic stuff as well, like a 30-day Ayurvedic diet, and that was incredible for my system.
I started each day with a meditation and just said, what do I want to contemplate today?
So contemplated relationships, family, and then two days was one was I'm retired and one was I'm playing.
And so I went through all the insecurities around retirement and then all the fears around playing again.
I spent hours just thinking through things and any time a negative thought would come in, just being curious about it and wondering where that comes from, if there's a root of that.
Is there something from childhood that is involved in that fear and insecurity?
And it was really amazing for me just the healing that happened.
And I came out really feeling comfortable either way, like not scared of retirement, not scared of...
Of slipping into irrelevance.
I actually welcome that.
Not worried about what the future looks like if I don't play for the Packers anymore and I'm on a new team and new guys, new city.
So it was really meaningful and I'm really glad I did that.
Again, don't need to maybe do five days, four nights, but it was a good experience.
But the weirdest thing was night one, I had a bad dream, like a nightmare.
And when you're, normally when you're at home, you have like a weird dream, something's off, maybe you see, feel an entity, or just something's freaking you out.
What do you do?
You kind of wake up, orient yourself.
Okay, I'm on my bed.
I'm fine.
Here's this.
Maybe I can get up out of my bed, do something.
Okay, I'm okay.
And then you kind of are able to usually get back to sleep.
But in the darkness, what you see eyes closed is what you see eyes open.
Just grew up in a world where certain drugs were much more accepted than they are now.
I'm not saying that's good at all.
But, you know, different time.
But, yeah, no, I've done a lot of that.
And I decided, I mean, a long time ago, you know, I haven't had an Advil in 22 years.
I'm the soberest man you'll ever meet.
I was afraid.
I mean, one thing I learned was there's a lot of stuff swirling around inside you, and that's why the darkness retreat really struck me, because that stuff would rise right to the surface.
And I'm not comfortable being in touch with all of that, and some of it is chaotic and scary, and it's not clear how much of it is from within and how much of it is from without.
I didn't really believe in the unseen world when I was doing stuff like that.
So I didn't really consider it, but yeah, I saw some very scary things, and I was like, don't want to do that again.
You know what I mean?
So actually, I didn't get much out of it, and I remember once, while taking LSD, when I was 15, I was just too young to be doing that anyway, but I remember writing down my profound thoughts as I was in the middle of this very, very far-out experience.
They didn't make any sense.
In fact, I found them in my barn in this building upstairs.
I need to see the generations of family stuff stored a couple summers ago when I was like, I got to go through these boxes, you know, various diaries from deceased relatives and including my acid memoirs, which were really banal and fragmentary.
The most beautiful thing about that, which is the hardest thing about relationships in general that I've seen with my friends, is how do you grow together?
Because you're a different person, 15, 20, 25, 30, 55. But finding someone who's willing to grow with you and be what you're into and that you have your own separate life, which is beautiful and big and full, and then you can come together and not having to find you full identity in that other person I think is really important.
To do all those things, I've really just been trying to work on myself and ready myself because I've been way too codependent in relationships in the past where I've kind of lost myself to hold on to this idea of what I think a relationship is.
And it's just not, it hasn't been sustainable for me.
But I'm confident that there'll be a time when that comes together.
I don't know if you felt like this, but I've definitely gone through phases of being a recluse, for sure, where I just don't want to go out, don't want to see anybody.
And I don't really like that.
I mean, I am introverted in general, but I love people.
I love my routine, and I felt like I got so just scared of not having my privacy or just annoyed that I just stopped doing things that I enjoy doing, and I just didn't really like doing that.
So now I do exactly what I want to do when I want to do it.
And try and have a little bit of sense of humor with some of the reactions that come from people or situations where I can't just have privacy and just find a little more humor in it.
It seems to transmute some of the frustration and fear into joy in those moments.
But to be well-known is, no, of course, it's a nightmare.
There's no upside whatsoever.
And if you find that important, then you're a hollow, sad person.
That's like, what is, you know?
But who, I mean, one thing I noticed about famous people I've always noticed is, having spent a lot of time around them for the last 30 years, is they all know each other.
I think the last couple years, and I'm sure you feel the same way, but the last 10 years, but every year it seems to get even smaller, but the circle kind of constricts a little bit, and there's less people who know exactly what's going on, and there's just a really tight-knit group of the inside of the inside, and there's a beautiful group outside of that who you love and you talk to and you spend some time with, but they don't know everything, and they don't get to because There's just certain things that's only meant for a really small group of people.
And I love that.
And so those people are my rocks.
And they're not yes people.
They're people that can tell me exactly what's going on and what I need to hear, not what I want to hear.
Well, they get the image from mainstream media or from two disgruntled teammates that I'm some sort of overly arrogant, narcissistic prick.
And then when you get to know me, it's like, oh, you're not really any of those things that you've been painted as because...
You have to have a villain and you're the villain now because you stood up to the government and you're not bought and paid for and beholden to all these other things and you're not quiet about your beliefs.
So I think that's usually the common perception and then the common reaction.
I hear from a lot of people, people who don't even actually agree with me or who thought about me a lot of times a certain way.
Often we'll say, man, I really enjoyed this time together, this dinner, this conversation, and you're different than I thought.
Yeah, maybe keep family and business separate as much as you can, unless your family member is a certified accountant or something, a lawyer or something, and you trust them.
I think it's always best to keep some distance between friendship and business, too.
Can get a little bit dicey at times.
I made many mistakes doing that and try and share those experiences with them.
My life, you know, publicly, the things I talk about now as we're shifting, you know, four years from, you know, three years, I guess, from COVID is more around plant medicine.
So they're very interested in that, interested in ayahuasca and psilocybin and the effects and the fears.
And they have a lot of the same fears that most people have around a bad trip, a bad journey, a bad...
So it's fun to have those conversations.
Many people have reached out wanting to set up their own journeys, their own trips, just learn more about it.
I'm an avid reader as well, so there are people checking me about books to read and recommend, and so I love doing that with some of my teammates.
So I might start them with The Alchemist, start with that one, and maybe send them to a crack hour book or send them to a self-help book or something, or maybe a book about medicine.
But yeah, we joked there was a group of us in the corner of the locker room that we kind of called the Brain Trust.
So the four of us start talking, you'd see somebody come pull the chair up, another guy would come over and pull it.
Next thing you know, there's like 10 guys just kind of listening to what we're talking about.
Guys are eager to learn.
People from all different types of backgrounds and walks of life.
That's a lot of fun.
I think to be relatable to those guys, you've got to first share your failures.
For sure.
Share the things you wish you'd done differently.
And it's like, I would guess it's like a parent where you don't want to save them from everything, but you like to stop them from making big mistakes that could really affect their life down the road.
Some lessons you've got to learn on their own, but there's some things that I've fucked up on that I love to share with the guys so they don't make the same mistakes that I did.
Like, going to Derby this last weekend, the best part, and with all respect to the horses and Churchill Downs and all that stuff, The real point of the trip is the camaraderie with the guys.
And as most guys I've played with, and a lot of guys I only see maybe once or twice a year, and this is kind of one of those events.
We just share stories and laugh about the same stuff and catch up on family and kids and injuries and body and health and the newest hacks that they're working on.
One of our guys who was my center for a long time, Corey, And he played at, like, 305 pounds.
Now he weighs 235. So, like, seeing him healthy is awesome.
And talking to him about his life, he's got four kids now and a beautiful wife.
And that's the fun part, is just seeing these guys once or twice a year and just, like, keeping that close bond.
The truth is that there's minor brain injuries that happen every single game, I would assume.
There's collisions.
It's a collision sport.
And I think it's important that we really pay attention to how our bodies are responding.
The league is, and the agreement with the players, has gotten better every single collective bargaining agreement, which I think I've been a part of three now.
I think we're doing a better job of...
Safety and the equipment's better, the helmets are better, the diagnosis are better.
I mean, he since has now, and he's doing really good, and he's been sober for a while, but that's an issue.
There's a really bad stat that...
It was a scare tactic, but it's true.
Back in the day, it said that within three years, 75% of NFL players three years post-retirement will be broke, divorced, or unemployed.
And a lot of times, it's multiple of those three.
And I see it a lot because you're living this life.
You're making a ton of money.
That money train dries up.
You maybe don't have a ton of life skills or haven't spent time in the league planning for your post-career stuff or don't have the money to just coast like I could and some of the people by a long time could.
And then there's marital issues that happen.
And it's a very sad statistic.
The league tries to do some things to kind of promote second career stuff.
Financial literacy, but a lot of it's on the guys to learn on their own.
And if you don't have the right people advising you, I've seen a lot of my former friends go through some crisis.
He's in their 20s because the average career is three years.
Now you're 26, 27. You have no job.
You may or may not have graduated from college, but who knows?
How many people actually use the degree now anyway from college?
And, you know, there's some guys who, you know, haven't...
I've made some rough decisions, too, with having kids and multiple women.
Some of those were bad decisions by the men.
Some of those are women who saw a millionaire football player and wanted to be taken care of for a while.
Both of those are true.
So sometimes that is something you take with you in the game where now you have a couple kids out there that you're taking care of for many years and you don't have the same type of money coming in.
So now there's financial issues with some of the child support that you should and do pay.
So guys, there's a lot of mistakes that are made and some you can rectify and get through and some make life a little more difficult if you're not able to play like me 20 years and don't have...
Any financial issues or any kid issues or any stuff like that.
You said that you started to realize that a lot of what we take for granted is actually untrue, and some of this, by this I mean our civilization is built on lies.
What do you think, but you also said you're in favor of just disclosing, like the government should tell everything it knows.
If it did that, If we actually learned the truth about everything, various wars that we've had, assassinations that we've had, our economy, what would happen?
The government thinks things would fall apart.
People would just be so overwhelmed and so disgusted that they wouldn't believe in the government.
They would, I don't know, become nihilists or something.
What do you think would happen if we actually knew the truth about everything?
I think in order for us to advance as a society, there has to be, in this age of Aquarius, there has to be disclosure.
I mean, for you, you had to be privy, living in Washington, working for Fox, being the top guy there.
Stuff that not everybody knows, and you probably know more than the common person.
But how much did you encounter, you don't have to get specific, is stuff that you don't think the American public could handle that you know or that you believe?
But I didn't really want to be called a racist because that's awful.
You know, it's awful to be a racist.
But then it stopped bothering me.
But I was left with the feeling, man, there's a lot of racial tension in this country.
And there's clearly some.
But I got to tell you, in the last, I don't know, 10 years, I've not had one black person confront me about being racist.
Not one.
Not a single time.
And I've also not heard people angry about race in my personal life.
Maybe it's just me.
I think there's a lot less race hate than we're told there is.
Much less.
I think most people kind of get along with each other, actually, in this country.
I believe that.
It's very clear to me that they're doing this on purpose, the people in charge, in order to keep us divided and angry and confused.
So I agree with you that disclosure would have that effect.
In my specific case, I feel like I've learned probably too much about a couple of topics because, by the way, there's some things that I can't prove that I believe to be true, so I don't repeat them.
But, you know, the UAP stuff, some of it is really distressing to me.
What I believe to be true, but I can't prove it.
But as I've said before, I think it's spiritual.
I think some of these things are dark, anti-human.
I think there's some weird correlations and anomalies that the Johnny Depp trial had eyes on it, crazy coverage, and the Ghislaine Maxwell trial had...
Next to no coverage.
No TV coverage.
No nightly commentary about it.
No traffic to nobody.
She is indicted for trafficking kids and nobody who she was trafficking kids to got indicted.
There's a lot of really interesting secret societies, not just like the Skull and Bones at Yale, which has produced all those presidents and the Freemasonry at its highest level.
There is a sexual component, I think, to a lot of that.
Obviously, with Epstein, it was blackmail to get them to do what they want.
I mean, how many people are compromised by that that are in positions of power today?
I think you're naive.
I think it's none.
And you said it on the podcast with Joe.
The scary part for those people is that, and for us, they could put something on your computer to cancel you.
So the first one is I asked you what you're going to do when you retire which is probably imminent just at some point just because of your age and your...
Now, I retract that in the context of Bobby because I believe in what he stands for.
But I've never felt like there's been two parties.
It's just been the same people and bombs still get dropped regardless of whether it's Trump or Obama or Bush or Clinton.
Wars still get fought.
Taxes still get levied.
Evil and corruption still exists.
The secret handshake society still exists.
The lobbyist power still exists.
All the big, you know, big whatever, military-industrial complex still exists, no matter who's in charge.
So how much can you actually impact?
I don't know.
I mean, I like to think that if Bobby got in, if they didn't take him out, that he could enact some real change.
I think the alphabet groups need a full makeover.
If we're going to, you know, support espionage, then let's make sure we're not doing it our own people who are good, you know, self-conscious, freedom-loving Americans.
Republican, Democrat, Independent, Black, White, Asian, Mexican, whatever it is.
Get off my computer, get off my cameras, get off my ring camera, you know, take down all this stupid fucking CCTV cameras everywhere that are watching everything.
Because the next step to all of this, people don't realize this, and this is the fucking facts, is China and what's going on there.
And social credit scores.
And your entire life monitored.
Like, that's where we're going.
Slowly, Jordan Peterson said, was doing an interview and talked about, I can't remember what the conversation was, but I heard him say this.
How does corruption take form when it's so obvious?
It's slow movements.
It's like barely inching towards total corruption and obedience.
Where you don't really see it coming, next thing you know, like, oh, I have no other option but to get a chip in my hand or have a social credit score that allows me to, you know, fly in a plane.
If I don't have a good one, then I got to ride on a bus or a train or a cab or, you know, I can drive.
You know, they want all electric cars.
I can just, you know, shut that off at some point because your post on Facebook, you know, kind of violated the government standard here.
And also we're gonna freeze your bank account or only let you, you know, eat at this restaurant.
Sorry, eat at the, you know, get groceries from this store, not like the nice, you know, organic store.
You're gonna have to eat this shit over here or eat insects or whatever the hell I'm like.
We're not far from that if we don't, like, stand for civil liberties.
And people always like, you know, when I talk about, because I've always been a big proponent of Ed Snowden, and people are like, well, I have nothing to hide.
And I'm like, that is the fucking worst answer.
Because I don't have anything to hide either.
But I want my privacy.
And you don't understand.
You think the government's just going to stop at what they're doing now?
They're not going to stop with this.
They're inching closer to being 1984 where they have a set in your...
Some sort of TV set in your house that watches you.
Make sure you get up and do your 10 push-ups, 10 sit-ups.
We're going to watch every aspect of your life.
We're going to give you a social credit score.
We're going to create...
I mean, it's a fucking great book to read.
It was written in 1949. And how accurate it is today.
Literally a ministry of truth.
We literally had a government organization that was censoring free speech.
And categorizing things as misinformation, there was a Ministry of Truth czar who was making decisions based on what they thought was acceptable language online.
And all these fact-checking bullshit, like, we're not far from 1949, from that book, 1984, which was written in 1949, if we don't take a stand for our civil liberties.
That's why I think that there needs to be more disclosure.
I hope there is.
I hope there's more corruption.
I hope Bobby gets a chance to debate because I think he'd do a hell of a job.
I hope Nicole gets a chance to debate against Kamala Harris because I think that'd be a big win for her.
I, you know, I was a little bit worried come out of COVID because I saw so many people who were manipulated by fear and laid down and followed the rules.
I think it was a lot of people who are captivated by fear, for sure, but the majority was conscientious, good-hearted Americans.
Trusting that the government wouldn't lie to them, wouldn't fuck with them.
And I think those people are waking up.
That's why I have hope.
I really do have hope that we've learned our lesson.
And that the powers that be, the evil unseen world, overstepped a little bit too far.
And that they got power hungry.
And they got a little over their skis.
And the people woke up and are not going to allow this to happen again.
And there's some weird things going on in the world right now.
The stuff of the border is very weird.
Like listening to Brett Weinstein talk on Rogan about the groups of Chinese military-age men that are getting in.
It's very unnerving.
And they're doing it in new ways and we're not prosecuting anybody in a lot of these big cities.
And there's the George Soros of the world who are anti-human and funding a lot of these protests probably on these college campuses as they're arresting people who don't have student IDs, who aren't a part of it.
We saw it in Wisconsin when there was riots going on.
They were bossing people in from Illinois and Iowa and all these different places.
So there's anti-human people out there who don't want this to happen.
But I think there's so many incredible Good-hearted, conscientious Americans, both Republican, Democrat, independent, undecided, don't give a shit about politics, obsess over C-SPAN every day, or whatever it might be, who are just waking up and going, you know what?
This is not the America that my ancestors fought for that I want to be a part of.
That it was when I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was in college, whatever it might be.
And they're not going to put up with it much longer.
And I think that That's what I'm saying.
I think the evil kind of overstepped a little bit too far, and now the tides are turning.
This is the other part of it, is where do we get our media from these days?
The information police, who forever, growing up, not me, but like the Walter Cronkites of the world, who are idolized as like the Dan Rathers even, who like, it seemed like there was somebody you could trust who was giving you the truth on TV. Those days are gone.
And thankfully, X has some level of freedom of speech still.
But media, our media, we get from, majority of us, from Twitter, not from Fox or CNN. True.
Yourself, the numbers you got, impressions you got, the views you got, when you did interviews with Trump and Putin and everybody in between were astronomical.
Nobody's ever seen.
And it's going to be, what gives me hope is that you have a voice of reason.
You are willing to stand up what you believe in.
And that, you know, guys like Joe, And yourself and countless others are willing to lay their reputation aside, get canceled, force standing up for what they believe is right.
And that's the way that we change things.
So that's why I fucking am a huge fan of yours and just want to encourage you, if I can, to just fucking keep doing what you're doing because this is how the world changes, by having long-form conversation with interesting people.
Who can change the narrative and get people to go, you know what?
Maybe I can change my opinion because that's the only way that we grow together is by talking to people that we don't actually agree on everything or we have what we think is a tightly held belief and we go, you know what?
I'm going to loosen that grip a little bit and just listen to what somebody else has to say and then maybe there's something in there that goes, I like that.
I might not have to hold so firmly to this anymore.
And it's just like in the church, right?
And you're a spiritual person.
I'm a spiritual person.
Talking about aliens, you can't talk about that shit in church, right?
No, there's no other.
God created Adam and Eve and just on this planet, right?
There's nothing else to look at.
Well, there's some weird extraterrestrial references in the Bible that they didn't have maybe the words for, but there could be some other shit going on here.
And maybe I shouldn't hold so tightly to that one belief that...
I'm the only thing on this entire earth, and the earth is 5,000 years old, and there's nothing else going on here.
We all need to transcend our beliefs, to include the stuff that we want, but in order for us to get to the next level, whether that's the next dimension, a new earth, a new way of living, is to transcend and include what we believe.
And in doing that, I think it's talking to people that we don't necessarily agree with.
It's like what I'm trying to do and will continue to try and do, and that's have empathy and compassion for people that have slathered me, shamed me, and canceled me, tried to.
This is my last question, but have you noticed in your personal life that the conversations you're having with the people you love, who you're friends with, that they're much deeper than they were five years ago?