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May 12, 2024 - The Tucker Carlson Show
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Tucker Carlson - Ep. 105 Few people know Justin Trudeau better than his own brother. Here’s what he says about him.
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tucker carlson
Most people in Western countries, in the United States, in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, etc., etc., most people who lived in those countries two years ago got the COVID vax.
That's just a fact.
And maybe because of that fact, very few people want to talk about what that was, not just what the vax itself was and what it may do to the human body and the human brain.
Those are worthy conversations.
Important conversation, necessary conversations, ignored conversations.
But the bigger conversation is why were governments across the West pulling out all stops to force people to take this compound that they called a vaccine?
What was this?
And what do we learn about the motives and the aims of those governments by their behavior around the vax?
What do we learn?
Because those countries, all of them, Revealed that they were not, in fact, democracies.
They were not free countries at all.
They were something very different.
And if you go back and you watch the tape and you watch how Western leaders talked about the COVID vaccine, about people who didn't want to get vaccinated, you learned a lot about them.
In fact, it's not your body, your choice in their view.
It's their body and their choice.
And in no country was this clearer maybe than Canada, where the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau not only told people to get this drug, But attacked anyone who wouldn't as illegitimate, as evil, as a fifth column within the borders of Canada seeking to overthrow the democracy of Canada.
In case you've forgotten, here he is.
unidentified
For the vast, vast majority of people, the rules are very simple.
To travel, you've got to be vaccinated.
When people see that we're in lockdowns or serious public health restrictions right now, Because the risk posed to all of us by unvaccinated people, people get angry.
Proof of vaccination will be required by no later than the end of this month for all federal employees.
And by mid-November, enforcement measures in place will make sure that everyone is vaccinated.
If you don't want to get vaccinated...
That's your choice.
But don't think you can get on a plane or a train besides vaccinated people and put them at risk.
tucker carlson
Wait a second.
If you don't take this untested drug, you can't travel within your own country?
You are inherently unclean and clean, obedient people shouldn't be forced to sit next to you?
That's like Nazi stuff, right?
I mean, that's what we read about when we read about the darkness descending on...
Germany in the 1930s.
That's why we aren't for fascism because we're not for that.
That's why we're free and they were enslaved and yet all of a sudden our leaders, particularly that leader, were just saying it out loud.
You must do this or else you have no rights at all.
Amazing.
And of course, most people in Canada, as most people in the United States, went along with it.
But some didn't.
And famously, a group of truckers in Canada decided to form what they called a Freedom Convoy drive to Ottawa to protest this.
And in response, the prime minister of that country invoked the Emergencies Act for the first time in the history of Canada.
And this gave the police, among other powers, the power to freeze your bank account, to shut down your Bitcoin exchange.
It turns out we spent like 80 years talking about dictators and fascists, but when they emerged in our own societies, we didn't even notice.
But a few people did notice, and one of them is a man called Kyle Kemper.
He's a Canadian.
He happens to be the half-brother of Justin Trudeau.
And it may or may not be personal, but he wound up on exactly the other side of this question of medical freedom and bodily autonomy.
And so we thought it'd be interesting to talk to him about what we're watching, not just in his country, Birth Canada, but around...
The world.
And he joins us now.
Kyle, thanks so much for coming on.
kyle kemper
Tucker, it's a real pleasure to be on.
tucker carlson
So I do think, I mean, this just happened a couple of years ago, so it's hard to know when you're in the middle of something what's really significant and what isn't.
But two years out, it does seem like this question of whether you have the right to decide what drugs go into your body.
This is kind of maybe the central right that we have as free people.
How do you read?
What happened in Canada over the vax?
Like, what did that mean?
kyle kemper
Oh, I mean, I think all over the world there are people who were very distrustful of it, and I think we've been warned.
There's been many warning signs that there would be a mass injection campaign coming at some point, and then with...
tucker carlson
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
So you believed...
Before COVID even got here, that the government of your country, my country, of all of our countries, might force us to take an injection of something.
kyle kemper
I mean, that's what many people were kind of warning about.
I think Aaron Russo, many, many, many moons ago, was suggesting that.
unidentified
Did you take that seriously at the time?
kyle kemper
You know, when you keep hearing this warning that this might come down at some point, and then you see...
With the COVID-19 scenario, everyone painting fear, fear, fear, fear, fear around the virus and hope, hope, hope, hope, hope around the vaccine.
That just, you know, your spidey sense kind of goes up.
The hairs stand up on your arms and you think, you know, something's amiss here.
And then when it becomes, okay, everybody must do this for the greater good.
And you see all of a sudden, you know.
Public officials like my brother out there being effectively salesmen for the pharmaceutical industry, otherwise promoting a product that you can't advertise, and yet you have the schools, you have it being pushed across all of society in such incredible levels that there was a lot of people who were like you and I, suspicious of it.
And personally, I have five children and six on the way.
And I'm not willing to expose myself to something that could be very dangerous.
There's a difference between fear and danger.
If you operate in a land of worrying about all the things that scare you, that's one thing.
To be aware and conscious of clear and present dangers and to be reactive to that is important.
And that's what I chose to do.
And many of us have chosen to.
tucker carlson
Me too.
And I had pretty much the same reaction.
My study census went off.
I'm not taking that.
I mean, my family's not doing that.
But I didn't really have a framework for understanding it.
I mean, from my perspective, I think I was watching the wrong media or something.
It came kind of out of the blue.
And all of a sudden, you see these governments acting in authoritarian, totalitarian ways.
And I'm still shocked when I think about it.
You seem less shocked.
kyle kemper
You know, I was always worried that what might happen, you know, when Justin was in power, like what kind of scenario could happen if another, you know, a 9-11 type massive global scenario were to unfold.
Sure enough, you know, we see the...
tucker carlson
Why were you worried about that?
kyle kemper
Because what type of actions would come out of it?
Just like in the wake of 9-11, we saw all the nations of the world kind of come together underneath this anti-terror plan and this war on terror.
tucker carlson
Now we have the war on COVID. Again, it's interesting to talk to someone who was a little more enlightened a little earlier.
Than I was.
Because I saw your brother and I thought, well, he's a liberal.
You know what I mean?
Like in a true set, probably smokes a lot of weed and has dreams about world peace or something.
That's the opposite of what...
This turned out to be.
How did you know that?
kyle kemper
Well, I mean, first, I mean, I loved my brother Justin.
tucker carlson
Of course.
kyle kemper
Through and through.
And, you know, I don't think he's never smoked that much weed.
He was not really into that.
That was not his thing.
He's pretty on point.
But I will, you know, add to it that...
He liked to be the, you know, he likes the attention and he likes to be the leader of, you know, of the show.
And when this, when the opportunity for him to be, you know, follow in his father's footsteps and be, you know, the Prime Minister of Canada, because, you know, if you're growing up as a child and you see, you know, your father as the Prime Minister and having access to all of the You know, the lights, the events, the interactivities.
tucker carlson
The trappings, we say.
kyle kemper
Trappings, yeah.
You kind of want that too.
And I think, I don't know what exactly took place, but at some point it was like, yeah.
It was either Justin was kind of identified as someone who'd make a great prime minister and was helped in that journey.
And quite frankly, Justin, he's an amazing person and he was able to connect with so many people and very lovable.
But again, once this COVID and the vaccine thing took place...
And his words that he was using, which I don't know were really coming from his heart or whether they're coming from the teleprompter, what was really being referred to.
tucker carlson
But it sounds like you saw in him, despite your love for him and your acknowledgement that he's talented, which he obviously is, he became part minister, you saw in him the potential for the abuse of power.
kyle kemper
I mean, I don't think he's abusing power.
I think power is just in general being abused.
tucker carlson
Yep.
kyle kemper
Just like, you know, we've seen it, whether it's Justin or it was, you know, Boris Johnson, Cinder Ardern, or Joe Biden.
tucker carlson
Couldn't agree more.
Power tends to be abused by its nature.
kyle kemper
And centralized systems over time, the further centralized they get, the more secretive and corrupt they become as well.
tucker carlson
Amen.
Now you're speaking my language, Kyle.
I totally agree with you.
So when the vax thing happened, And your brother starts saying things like, anyone who hasn't taken it is dirty, and you should have a right not to be physically near a dirty, unvaccinated person.
You say that was stuff, not from his heart, but from the teleprompter.
Who do you think was putting it on the teleprompter?
kyle kemper
Well, or it's like, as Matthias Desmond said, this mass formation psychosis.
When you have everybody around him saying all this, it's like, what are his inputs?
With Plato's Cave, if everybody's always around you telling you how the world is, that's going to impact your worldview versus ourselves having much more access to open information and actually listening to it.
There's a point I really believe.
There's good intentions, but when counter-information is presented...
It's like, you don't want to hear it, and it threatens the worldview.
It's like, just give me the blue pill.
I'll just keep taking it.
tucker carlson
It's totally right.
kyle kemper
Like, no, don't want to know.
Because I know, like, if you recognize that there is, you know, there are shadows, and there are nefarious activities, and there's, you know, that some of these warnings might have some credence and demand further investigation and justice.
Then, you know, that can be an uncomfortable position to put yourself in.
tucker carlson
And thank you for mentioning Matthias Dismatt wrote one of the great books in the last hundred years, in my opinion.
kyle kemper
Well, and in that point, what he said about, you know, you can catalyze a group to really...
You know, hate another group.
tucker carlson
Oh, yes.
kyle kemper
And, you know, and Charles Eisenstein wrote an excellent article called Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed, in which he made the case that, you know, this group is being, like, relentlessly attacked.
And, you know, we saw a Toronto Star in Canada write a full, like, front page article saying, let them die.
It was just so hostile.
Towards, you know, those of us who chose, said, no, you know what, I'm not interested.
I'm not going to do this.
tucker carlson
And they wished your death on you for that.
kyle kemper
And I mean, you know, even Joe Biden said it's going to be, what did he say, a winter of death?
tucker carlson
Yes.
kyle kemper
Or something ridiculous along those lines.
Like, the absurd pressure to take this experimental...
Injection.
Like, I got suspended off Twitter for calling it a fake vaccine because, like, does it stop transmission?
Does it prevent infection?
Like, no, no.
I can call it a vaccine.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
So what did that mean for you?
Well, you probably got suspended because you're Justin Trudeau's brother, too, so you could...
kyle kemper
It was a reply to one of his boasting tweets about, you know, how terrific it is that we've stuck 70 million people on the arm.
tucker carlson
What did that mean for you and your family?
So you've got a sick child and we've got a huge family.
You're from Canada.
Could you go back during the COVID lockdowns?
kyle kemper
So in the beginning, it was very difficult.
And then there was this whole essential worker kind of scenario.
The border was just a nightmare.
And that's why I ended up getting this RV that's now a super awesome Kennedy bus.
And, you know, I drove around America, drove from California up to Canada because, you know, the airports were unconscious.
And like, you know, when you're dealing with agents in an airport and you've got your family and you have mixed nationalities within the family, there's a chance you could, you know, have a bad interaction and your family's split up there and all of a sudden it's apart.
So, you know, just being, taking the pragmatic, you know.
Intelligent approach, in my opinion.
I got an RV and I drove across the country.
And that also was super eye-opening because driving across America in, what was that, June of 2020?
Yeah.
Really interesting.
California was very scared.
We got to Texas.
I was in the spring with like 3,000 people.
It was amazing.
It was like everything was fine.
It was great.
And then like as we proceeded to get further closer to Ottawa, it's like, you know, the level of fear, you could just feel it.
And then once you got into Canada, oh my God, it was...
You're there 14 days, pure isolation between coming in there.
And if you were in contact with other people in 14 days, you could face up to six months in jail.
And I think it was a half a million dollar fine that they're threatening you with.
It's just insane what the levels.
And then when challenged on these...
And this is what the truckers did a lot of, was like, can we talk about some of these general assumptions and these facts that you're stating behind why we're doing this?
They're met with, you know, hostility for asking simple questions.
tucker carlson
Well, those questions were racist, as I remember, weren't they?
kyle kemper
I would not say that.
I think they're fair questions that desire honest interactivity.
But this is the challenge about a myth.
It's like when everything is based on a myth or based on a lie or false or a deceptive narrative, you can't debate.
Instead, you must attack and enrage and censor and smear.
This was like the whole conspiracy theory.
Like, no, no, it's just a conspiracy theory.
Don't talk about that.
I mean, you played a part in that way back in the day.
As well, just dismissing, dismissing.
tucker carlson
Oh, I used to dismiss a lot of things as conspiracy theories.
kyle kemper
I mean, remember, I believe you said it was blasphemous to question 9-11.
tucker carlson
I famously said that to Alex Jones's producers.
And I think I said it for the same, it was in 2012, and I think I said it for the same reason that Matthias Desmet, in your description, described, which is...
To admit that the things you thought were true might not be true, or more complicated than you thought they were, kind of challenges your assumption about everything, and that's scary, and I just didn't want that.
And then, you know, by the time 2015 rolled around, it was like absolutely impossible to deny that a lot of this was fake.
kyle kemper
When everybody can also change, too, like based on information, like at some point, you know, you can...
Anybody can forgive themselves and apologize to themselves for being deceived or having gone down a wrong path.
You can realize that actions that you've taken were misplaced and move forward in intention and integrity.
tucker carlson
Of course.
And by the way, you can't have integrity if you don't do that.
kyle kemper
Right?
tucker carlson
You can't live with a lie.
You have to give it up.
By repenting.
So, how were you treated in Canada?
How have you been treated in Canada, since you're making a case that's, you know, diametrically opposed to that of your brother?
kyle kemper
Well, he referenced the truckers as a small fringe minority.
And I'll counter that.
I actually believe the liberals in the current government really represent a small fringe minority.
tucker carlson
I think that's right.
kyle kemper
And I think the majority of Canadians are frustrated.
They're wondering why it's costing $45 for a platter of vegetables at the store.
I feel like they're frustrated around what took place, how two years of their lives were...
We're surrounded within so much fear and how everybody was cut off.
I know personally, when I spoke up during the trucker thing and was really inspired by them, it was like...
99 to 1, positive messages to negative messages.
It's been overwhelmingly positive, the reaction and the sentiment.
And it just seems like real reality or the primary interactions I'm seeing with people versus like...
You know, the Matrix reality, you know, what you see on television are very different.
And in talking to some of my friends in Ottawa, like, you know, I asked them, like, did you go down to Parliament Hill and engage?
Because it seemed like, you know, it didn't seem, it seemed like, yes, it was like a demonstration, but it also seemed like it was a party.
It seemed like for 17 days, Burning Man came to Ottawa.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
kyle kemper
It was freezing.
tucker carlson
In January.
kyle kemper
In January.
Freezing Man.
And crime was down.
Vibes were high.
People were looking.
There was communal effort.
There was so much gifting.
It was radically inclusive.
All the principles were on display.
But to those who didn't venture in there, if they just watched the news, it was, no, no, no.
This is like, you know, this is right.
tucker carlson
Nazi conclave.
kyle kemper
Nazis.
Then they flew a Nazi flag.
And oh my God, it's the Nazis.
And that's like, you know, I feel like that flag was basically, what was the?
The Reichstag.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
kyle kemper
All over again.
unidentified
Of course.
kyle kemper
A micro example of, you know, that plantain.
So there was this opportunity to engage with, you know, these million people and the truckers, but more than the truckers too, because the truckers represented like, you know, the heart of it.
But then Canadians came out.
I talked to my friend, my friend, Sonny.
He, you know, he went to go to an overpass and he had been...
You know, isolated for over a year, like with his family living in this bubble and questioning things.
And then he went out to see the overpass and see all the truckers.
There are hundreds of people at this overpass.
And just like the energy of all those people was really inspiring.
And then he ended up going to Ottawa and being like, this is incredible.
So, you know, the reality of what took place on the ground there, if you went out and visited and saw it with your primary eyes, versus what the media was painting it as, were very different.
And unfortunately, you know, because it's based on a myth, the government chose to enrage versus engage.
And, you know, and then following it, they enacted the...
War Measures Act rebranded the Emergencies Act to censor people's bank accounts.
Individual personalities within the movement were indefinitely detained.
They confiscated, used legal tactics to lock up a lot of the donation funds that were going towards supporting the demonstration.
Give, send, go.
The faith-based crowdfunding platform got hacked by some devilish characters.
And then they released all the information of the donors to the public.
And our valiant mainstream media in Canada were first to go through and analyze who all the people I donated were and started doxxing people.
Like, oh, that guy works in this.
It works on Parliament Hill, and people were getting fired as a result of it.
And for me, what was really kind of challenging out of this was, if you bring a million people to Ottawa in the heart of winter for this truly exceptional gathering with a purpose, and you had to use the horns, and by the end, the horns were trying to work with the city too, and they wanted to respect.
They didn't want it to be...
Real assholes to everybody in the city.
And the beginning of, you know, you don't know exactly.
It's kind of coming together.
But the result of, okay, the security guards come into the zone and clear everybody out.
And they got those terrible images of like that ridiculous horse trampling of the old lady and, you know, a bunch of brutality.
And those were some of the images that really stuck because they didn't want the bouncy castle images to be, you know, what this thing was remembered.
People cleared out.
Peacefully, and it was bouncy castles, and hot tubs, and street hockey, and fireworks, and dance parties, and press conferences, and experts gathering together, and gifting, and communal activity.
That's one thing.
So instead, they brought in the security guards, and they had a really ugly kind of house cleaning to it, and then they punitively went after everybody.
So, as Canadians, if you can't...
Change or have a voice through a massive demonstration like that, what methods do you have towards influencing or shifting radical policy?
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Okay.
So now we're getting to the point, which is if you take away peaceful democratic means of protest and change, you leave people with only ugly options.
kyle kemper
Well, or when you get pushed, it's like, you know, what are we going to do?
And I feel like, you know, the world is full of amazing innovators.
And when you see this, it's like, okay, protests aren't going to work.
What else can we do?
Here's 2024. We have unbelievable technologies that we've never had before, like, you know, like Bitcoin and crypto and blockchain and distributed ledger technology, internet.
If you look at the beginning, the Westminster system of governance.
The US system of governance was invented in a time when you needed representatives from specific regions to go to Washington to represent that.
You didn't have the telegraph.
You didn't have the internet.
You didn't have communications abilities.
You needed a representative to go on behalf of your district, your area, your state, whatever, to go represent the interest.
Well, we're still using that system.
Like 250 years later, how many years later we are now.
But the conditions have changed.
We have FaceTime.
We can talk directly to somebody on the other side of the planet in high definition.
Maybe we should start looking at our governance systems and how we can upgrade those.
Like Russell Brand is always talking about how do we decentralize and allow people to have a little bit more input.
In Switzerland...
It's a form of direct democracy.
If you, as a citizen, have an issue with something, you go get 100,000 signatures, and then the entire country will vote on it.
And they'll be presented with a booklet that says why you should vote for this referendum, and then the government's official position, why you shouldn't vote for this.
And everybody gets this booklet.
So it's a very informed process.
tucker carlson
Wait, multiple elections every year in Switzerland.
kyle kemper
I think they have like three or four.
tucker carlson
Yes.
So I haven't asked you half an hour in about your contact with your brother.
So you have not just views that are different from him, but like you've thought them through.
You believe them for a reason.
You probably have something to add.
It sounds like you do.
I think you do.
Did you call him at any point?
kyle kemper
I did in the very beginning.
I mean, I wanted to help out.
My family's got restaurants.
We had the Clock Tower Brew Pubs in Ottawa.
And, you know, I thought, well, what can we do?
Can we do some food service?
How can we help the community towards in this, you know, this dangerous time?
I wasn't really met with too much.
You know, obviously he himself, I think, was also taking in so much different information.
And I, you know, wanted to help, wanted to help.
I remember one, you know, a good friend reached out with a...
A mushroom solution that was helping the cytokine storm and sent that his way and never got any kind of answers to it.
Just didn't seem like, you know, he was really looking for too much help.
And then, like, once the vaccine or the vaccine, you know, agenda became really clear, that's when I was just like...
Hold on here.
I remember, you know, Mickey Willis put out Plandemic 1 with Judy Mikovich, but then he put out Plandemic 2, Indoctrination, you know, which really detailed, you know, the Event 201 scenario where they basically role-played how a global coronavirus pandemic should be handled by the corporate, by the corporatocracy in conjunction with government and media.
And, you know, they role-played the whole thing.
Two months before or three months before it all went live.
So I was very skeptical once I started learning all that information.
And I could just see that Justin, it wasn't going to be there.
And the opportunity for open discourse about this, I don't think he's really, he wasn't really interested in my points of view on these topics.
tucker carlson
Was he angry at you for expressing yours?
unidentified
I don't know.
kyle kemper
I mean, hopefully in his heart of heart, he's proud of being open and honest and speaking your truth.
I think this is critical.
I think this is the path forward.
And it's also admitting when you're wrong.
tucker carlson
That's the acid test right there.
Can you admit when you're wrong?
kyle kemper
Can you admit when you're wrong?
It's like apologizing, but also, it's like with our children.
It's like, you know, they'll say I'm sorry.
But they don't necessarily know why they're sorry sometimes.
And I'm sorry for hitting you.
Or for doing this.
But explaining to really understand what the problem was.
And there's this kind of healing modality that needs to be embraced going forward.
Are you familiar with the Hawaiian healing phrase, Ho'oponopono?
tucker carlson
No.
kyle kemper
It's beautiful.
So it's a Hawaiian healing prayer that's comprised of four lines.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
I'm grateful or thankful and I love you.
And you can say these four lines to yourself first and like, you know, apologize to yourself for those things that you did.
Find a place to forgive yourself for the things that you did.
Be grateful and thankful to yourself and also love yourself.
Like, you know, really critical.
But then you can also use this with other people.
So I said this to my mother because I know, like, you know, what I was doing was hurting, like, was causing energy.
So, you know, and I said this to Justin, too.
Like, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry for any harm that I've caused or if my words have negatively impacted your life.
Please forgive me.
I'm just trying to speak my truth and do what I think is right.
Know that I love you and know that I'm thankful and grateful for everything, all the lessons, all the learnings, all the interactions, and that I love you in my heart of hearts.
And this Ho'oponopono message is something that I think we can take out there and you can really heal a lot.
unidentified
And we live in a very divided...
kyle kemper
Civilization right now.
More than just a country.
In America, it's very divided.
And this is one of Bobby's messages.
How do we heal the divide?
How do we bring people together?
Because we've been so polarized and it's easy to...
I feel like it's by design.
It's divide and conquer.
tucker carlson
Of course.
kyle kemper
How many different identity buckets can you get them in?
And then when they're all fighting each other, it's easy to control.
Versus if we can actually heal and start working together and having open, honest discourse and respecting the differences of opinion that we all might have and share.
But it's imperative that we're able to have open, honest discussion without being able to retreat or censor or attack or smear or guilt by association or use single words like conspiracy theory to just dismiss.
Very valid points that require investigation.
tucker carlson
Right.
I mean, you have to be honest enough to assess things on their own terms.
Even if it's something you don't want to hear, the first question you have to ask, it's your moral obligation to ask is, is it true?
Is it true?
You know, you say to me, you're a bad driver.
Well, I don't want to be a bad driver, but I have to ask myself, like, am I a bad driver?
Right?
Right.
unidentified
Right.
tucker carlson
You have to be honest.
So you mentioned apologizing to your mom, who I should say for people who aren't Canadian.
Very famous person in Canada, of course.
Margaret Trudeau, famous.
kyle kemper
Amazing.
Love you, Mama.
tucker carlson
I mean, what's her view of all this stuff?
Got two sons on different sides.
kyle kemper
I think, you know, she is very proud of Justin and all that he's done.
So, and I think I've always been, you know, a little bit on the outside.
Let's say maybe the black sheep of the family a little bit with, you know, the questions and the topics of discussions and the debates that I would like to engage in.
tucker carlson
Like about what?
kyle kemper
About many different things.
About like, you know, you had Ron Paul on here.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
kyle kemper
Like, a lot of the lessons of the good doctor, like, you know, the Federal Reserve, looking at that, looking at blowback, looking at foreign policy.
tucker carlson
Yes.
kyle kemper
Like, right now, Canada, Justin, said repeatedly, we're in this till the end, until victory.
It's like, come on.
What does that look like?
How can we do that?
tucker carlson
What does that even mean?
kyle kemper
Exactly.
It's just, it never ends.
Like, what is the condition?
unidentified
Why aren't we, until the victory, how about...
kyle kemper
Peace!
How about diplomacy?
Like, the war.
Like, pushing for war?
Very, very dangerous.
Especially with our neighbors.
Like, Russia is a neighbor to Canada.
It's just right there.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
kyle kemper
On the side.
It's like, why?
We don't want to.
What's the point of this?
tucker carlson
Do you know the answer?
I don't know the answer.
What do you think the answer is?
What is the point?
kyle kemper
Well, I think it's a global proxy war for the corporatocracy to further transfer wealth from sovereign individuals into the coffers of the global corporation.
tucker carlson
I think that's a good guess.
kyle kemper
I mean, it's like Henry Perkins, like, you know, he wrote The Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
It kind of shows, like, when we're giving $80 million or $80 billion in U.S. dollars or whatever the number is to Ukraine, like, you think that money is like a pallet that's going to...
Going to Ukraine?
Like, no.
Here's money for you to spend on our things.
tucker carlson
You've made reference to prayer and you've sort of revealed a worldview that is spiritual on some level.
Canada seems very aggressively hostile to Christianity, for example, and spirituality.
And that seems like a new thing.
All these church burnings, for example, take place across your country.
Some government officials, including your brother, seem to not have a problem with that.
What's your view of the role of spirituality in what's happening right now?
kyle kemper
Well, there are a lot of pastors, too, who stood up and went to jail and who were subjugated and punished.
tucker carlson
So if you're cheering church burnings and throwing pastors in jail, what side are you on?
kyle kemper
What do you think?
tucker carlson
I think you're on Satan's team, honestly.
That's what I actually think, since you asked.
kyle kemper
Well, you know, it feels like there's some dark energies out there.
You know, there's like, I akin it to like, you know, it just seemed like there was a negative cloud taking in Canada.
A bad energy, bad juju going on.
Like when my wife Brittany and I were in Canada in 2020, you know, she was pregnant.
She got chased out of a grocery store.
Why?
Not wearing a mask.
She was super pregnant.
And we're defiant around all that stuff.
I was just not having it.
But for people to get to that level of...
Animosity and hate towards someone for not kind of complying.
It's really scary that you got to that state.
tucker carlson
Chasing a pregnant lady out of a grocery store?
kyle kemper
Chasing a pregnant lady out of a grocery store.
Triggering a miscarriage.
tucker carlson
That's just absolutely beyond.
kyle kemper
No, it's horrible.
tucker carlson
So did you grow up in Ottawa?
kyle kemper
I did.
tucker carlson
So it really is your country, and I can tell by the way.
kyle kemper
I grew up in Ottawa.
I've been all over Canada.
I've been all around.
Canadians far and wide are amazing people.
I agree with that.
Just like America.
I've been so blessed to be all over America.
Eight months, I've been driving my Kennedy bus all over America, too, which has been just an absolutely unbelievable experience.
And, you know, really meeting people where they're at.
And I'll just say, like, you know, I've been all over the world, too.
And people everywhere are generally good.
And it's like, there's good, beautiful hearts all over.
There's bad people out there.
There's some people that, like, seek to deceive and cause chaos and might quite frankly be evil.
But, you know, we just have to do the best I can.
And, you know, lead with an open heart and speak truth.
And, you know, again, do the best you can.
Be impeccable with your words.
Don't make assumptions.
Don't take things personally.
And always do your best for agreement.
tucker carlson
Amen.
So the reason I asked you, just to confirm that you grew up in Canada, and then you get to, you know, 30 years later, your pregnant wife is being chased out of a grocery store.
Like, how did that happen?
How did we, because it didn't just, I mean, it came to a head during COVID and the trucker protest, but.
These things build over years.
Did you see it coming?
Did you know that the country was changing from a free place to a totalitarian place or a mob rules place?
kyle kemper
I mean, there's definitely warning signs that, you know, these are going...
My trust in the media, especially the Canadian media, we know the American media.
Especially yourself, but the Canadian media is kind of like a special type of hypnotic, deceptive.
There isn't so much like a real left-right.
It's kind of all just the same melange of here's what you believe, what you should think.
And a lot of what should be objective reporting is presented with Careful subjectivity.
tucker carlson
It sort of marinates in propaganda.
I remember seeing Hockey Night in Canada, a broadcast of it, and I was really struck, not just by the high level of play on the ice, but by the propaganda slogans everywhere around the rink that had nothing to do with selling anything.
It was selling ideas about Canada, and I thought, wow, that's like...
kyle kemper
No, yeah.
tucker carlson
1984 stuff.
kyle kemper
And then, and I mean, and then look like when the COVID scenario took place too, it's like, you don't shut down the hockey.
You don't shut down the gladiator sports.
You need to keep, you know, people still doing that.
So they just enacted the bubbles and then, you know, and then they spin in all of a sudden, like the, you know, the propaganda influence starts.
Getting through and through into the sport, which is already there, but it becomes a little bit more in your face.
And, you know, people aren't...
There's no fans in the stadiums here.
It was like...
But they kept playing, you know, so that people could still have their sport and still have their entertainment there.
tucker carlson
How did you wind up so different from your brother?
kyle kemper
I mean, I learned a lot from Justin.
I learned a lot from my brother, Sash.
I learned a lot from my...
Late brother Michelle, I learned a lot from my father and from my mother and from my friends and through experiences and through travels and through a very varied work history and saying yes to things and opportunities and just getting out there and experiencing all sorts of different things and keeping kind of an open mind.
That's how I've gotten to the point where I am right now.
tucker carlson
Can you name a certain set of experiences that made you so different?
kyle kemper
I mean, being involved with the Ron Paul stuff back in the day, listening to that, to the crypto industry and participating, which was in the beginning, which was a lot of libertarians coming together, looking at...
You know, how do we solve for the Federal Reserve?
How do we solve for decentralized peer-to-peer electronic cash?
tucker carlson
Yes.
kyle kemper
Satoshi Nakamoto's vision.
And then, you know, just being immersed within that group of people.
Was, you know, very enlightening and very educational.
And then, like, there was a certain point in, like, 2015, 2016, that, like, a lot of the Burning Man kind of community started getting really into this space, too.
So, you know, and there was, like, cross-pollination of information.
And, you know, a lot of the principles out of that were very, you know, eye-opening as well.
And I've spent a lot of time in California as well.
And coming from Ottawa, which is, I'd say it's a conservative city.
It's a government town, but it's a conservative town.
As an entrepreneur, as an innovator there, and as a creative, a lot of times the first reaction is to say no to an idea.
No, no, that's not going to work because of this, that, and the other.
But you go to California.
And like in being in this very innovative kind of environments and the actions, yes, like here's how we can do it.
And it's like kind of the American spirit, right?
It's like, yes, yes, we can.
Let's build, let's create.
And let's challenge and not just believe that you can't do something because, you know, it might not work.
It's like, you know, you got to open yourself up to some vulnerability and try because you're never going to succeed if you don't try.
So at least try.
It's like Bobby, you know, he's freaking doing it.
Going for the presidency.
You show so much courage doing that, I'm behind you as well.
Let's try this.
We don't know what's going to happen.
People will tell you they know what's going to happen.
Nobody knows what's going to happen.
tucker carlson
That's true.
kyle kemper
So why not give it your best?
And recognize that.
If you don't like the status, it's like Switzerland.
You don't like that law?
Guess what?
Get up, go out, get 100,000 signatures, and then everybody votes on it.
tucker carlson
Is there any chance that that happens in Canada?
kyle kemper
There's no recourse.
And this was one of the issues out of the trucker thing is what can you do?
Can you have a referendum?
To do a referendum, and many people looked into it, you need a support of a sitting MP. And many of them aren't kind of willing to do that.
So there's no direct ability to participate.
And Justin said, if you want to...
Make a difference.
If you don't like these policies, well, get out and vote.
Get out and vote.
And that's how you can show it.
It's like, well, you know, going out every four years or five years in the case of Canada, or two, I don't know, it kind of switches up all the time.
But going out and making one mark on a piece of paper and declaring that democracy, I just think that's a little bit short-sighted.
It's not really.
Civic engagement.
tucker carlson
Could you ever imagine moving back there?
kyle kemper
Yeah.
I think Canada can win a Stanley Cup at one point, too.
Just need to fix the tax system.
tucker carlson
Would that be an inducement to move back?
kyle kemper
The tax system?
tucker carlson
No, the Stanley Cup.
kyle kemper
No, I think if the tax system were fixed, that would be a great inducement for many people to move back to Canada.
The current system...
Encourages successful people to leave and offshore their money.
It is not a culture of celebrating achievement and value creation.
tucker carlson
No, it's a culture of crushing the different.
kyle kemper
Yeah, and taxing.
Rules.
Rules.
More laws.
Regulations.
Bylaw.
Provincial.
Federal.
Just keep on adding.
Just keep on adding.
And there's a challenge in repealing these or cleaning it up.
So I feel like we're at the point where...
What can you do?
What can you do?
And like I mentioned before, the systems have changed.
So I think it's time for an open conversation about how things can change.
And like I said, Pierre Poliev came to this conference that I held in Ottawa and talked about Switzerland and how referendums happen there and how blockchain could be able to use that.
Well, I would love to see him expand more on that and to explore in Canada how we can have A more involved population when it comes to being integrated in decisions.
Because the way the party system works is like they've got the whip.
That word goes back a ways.
They use their whip and all people within the party just have to vote according to the party's dictate.
And that doesn't represent the people.
And honestly, so many politicians get elected as representatives for a given space on certain promises, but then there's no accountability to uphold those.
Promises.
And, you know, if you don't follow through with them, there's nothing you can do.
Technically, in the States, there's a recall process.
In Canada, there really isn't a recall.
tucker carlson
Do you think your brother will get re-elected?
kyle kemper
I don't think he wants to, but...
tucker carlson
You don't think he wants to get re-elected?
kyle kemper
I mean, I don't think he...
I mean, personally, I don't know.
I just learned some of the latest stuff, and this is really sad.
Like, you know, it's not a way to live.
You know, I'm out here fighting for freedom and, like, you know, speaking for freedom and liberty.
Well, Justin is not a free man.
Like, you know, he has...
They just showed him trying to go to an event a couple days ago and there were probably like 50 cops as his escort because Canadians are pissed off.
It's angry out there, folks.
It's not a good look.
He can't drive a car.
He can't go to a restaurant.
You make a big sacrifice when you enter into that public arena.
And he has entered that public arena.
In the beginning, it was all sunshine and rainbows.
Now it's dark and there's a lot of negative energy.
And to all the people that really are putting that negative energy on Justin, just recognize Justin's like the captain of the hockey team.
He's not the manager of it.
He's not the owner of it.
tucker carlson
Who do you think the owner is?
kyle kemper
Who do you think the owner is?
tucker carlson
I don't know!
unidentified
You have a pretty good idea.
tucker carlson
I mean, I personally think there's a spiritual component to all of this.
So there's maybe the supreme leader of it.
But I assume business interests are...
kyle kemper
Business interests?
Yeah.
I use the word the corporatocracy.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
kyle kemper
Like, you know, their profits, you know, come from...
You look at the pharmaceutical industry.
Like, and the profits reaped out of...
You know, the COVID scenario.
You know, it's just one example.
Or the military-industrial complex and the money and the profits reaped out of war.
And you can...
tucker carlson
But Canada's gotten so much poorer.
I didn't go for a few years because of COVID and we were just there this winter.
And it's a poorer country.
It's just much more expensive.
And people's standard of living is dropping.
I think that's fair to say, right?
So how could...
Well, it's also true in the United States.
How could leaders, when their own country's getting poorer, send all this money to a war across the world that has no benefit to them at all?
kyle kemper
That's a great question for them.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
kyle kemper
Like, how, why?
Why are you doing this?
What are you doing for Canadians?
Well, we're going to create a new food program, or we're going to create more programs, more programs, more programs.
But look at root spending, folks.
And, like, look at the taxation situation.
You're taxed and you're being taxed on the money that you're being taxed on.
What you have left is very little.
And then you look at the cost of housing, the cost of living.
It's unsustainable.
And then there's also a culture.
I saw an article explaining like, wow, there's over 100,000 people in the government making more than $100,000 a year.
Well, I mean, when you factor in inflation, like $100,000 is not what it used to be.
Like, you're basically...
If you've got a family, like, you're not...
You're not thriving at $100,000 a year.
And same in America.
And they want to spend a lot of time working in the financial industry too.
It used to be like, remember the $10,000?
You have more than $10,000 in cash?
Well, it's been that way for like 50 years.
$10,000 in cash.
And now they're trying to bring it down to even lower numbers.
Like anytime there's a transaction over $600, they want to know.
Which is really dangerous.
So when you have this financial oversight combined with...
The fact that people don't have any money, and then there's also this element, there's like a UBI kind of gentle play that was kind of introduced as well.
The checks were written in Canada for like $4,000 for every Canadian.
Yeah, that's UBI. Yeah, and it's UBI. And it's just blanket giving out.
It's not like there's a requesting.
Wouldn't people who are desperately needing help have a way to ask for help?
No, it's just like blanket welfare.
Really inefficient, ineffective system.
And ultimately, it is going to drive more inflation, which will drive higher costs for everybody.
tucker carlson
Well, it's quite effective that way.
If you want to make people totally dependent on the people in power, that's what you do.
kyle kemper
Right.
tucker carlson
So you said you think your brother wants to get out.
My final question, what do you think he will do when he gets out?
And what do you think he should do when he gets out?
kyle kemper
I mean, if you think about, like, what did, like, Bill Clinton do when he got out?
It's like, I'm going to go on speaking tour.
I'm like, you know, go sit on boards and do things like that.
You know, you could probably do that.
You know, I think there's some...
He's got to ultimately decide what he's going to do.
I would say start with Ho'oponopono.
Like, that's a good place to start.
tucker carlson
With the Hawaiian prayer.
kyle kemper
With the Hawaiian prayer.
tucker carlson
Say your story.
kyle kemper
Say your story.
Apologize.
Ask for forgiveness.
But tell people why you're sorry too.
Come clean.
There's stuff.
I'm sure there's some stuff.
Just repent, if you will, and move forward in a good path.
Do the best you can because this is this life that we have to live.
unidentified
And let's do it for a minute.
kyle kemper
Respect our children, our grandchildren, our parents, our elders, our ancestors.
Carry the flame.
tucker carlson
Amen.
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