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Dec. 6, 2023 - The Tucker Carlson Show
07:53
Who’s Losing the Ukraine vs. Russia War? The United States.

How could Washington possibly send tens of billions more to sleazy oligarchs in Ukraine now that the whole enterprise has been revealed as a fruitless, corrupt and incredibly destructive disaster? Because that’s what they always do. Follow Tucker on X for the latest videos: https://x.com/TuckerCarlson Text “TUCKER” to 44055 for exclusive updates #TuckerCarlson #ThomasMassie #ukraine #Russia #War #News #America #MilitaryIndustrialComplex #Politics #MikeJohnson #congress #corruption #JoeBiden #Putin #Zelenskyy

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jake sullivan
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thomas massie
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tucker carlson
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tucker carlson
We were told at the beginning that our support would allow Ukraine to beat Russia and keep Russia from invading the rest of Europe or something.
Well, almost two years in, none of that has turned out to be true.
Ukraine is not going to beat Russia.
The only person who's been beaten in this is the United States.
The U.S. is weaker, measurably weaker, because of our support for Ukraine in this war.
That's just true.
The verdict is in.
And honest, rational people admit that, no matter what their previous position.
But the Biden administration cannot admit that, and neither can the U.S. Congress.
And so now there is, believe it or not, an effort in progress to get the U.S. government to send another $60 odd billion dollars to the oligarchs in Ukraine.
So another generation of Ukrainian men, this one probably in their 50s, can die in a pointless war on the battlefield.
They're not going to win, but the U.S. Congress would like to keep this conflict going anyway.
So you'd think someone would stand up and say, this is awful, but almost nobody has.
Why?
Because the position of the administration is if you're not in favor of this, sending another $60 billion to the oligarchs in Ukraine, then you're working for Vladimir Putin.
Watch the national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, say that out loud.
unidentified
I want to ask a question about Ukraine.
Are you saying that any member of Congress who votes against aid to Ukraine is voting for Putin?
jake sullivan
I believe that any member of Congress who does not support funding for Ukraine is voting for an outcome that will make it easier for Putin to prevail.
That is, a vote against supporting Ukraine is a vote to improve Putin's strategic position.
That's just an inescapable reality.
That's not speaking to someone's motive, why they chose to vote against it.
That's just speaking to the outcome of their vote.
A vote against supplemental funding for Ukraine will hurt Ukraine and help Russia.
It will hurt democracy and help dictators.
tucker carlson
These people cannot see themselves.
A lady in a mask, presumably not on her way to rob a liquor store, but wearing it for health reasons, asked the National Security Advisor about the moral implications of a vote in the Congress.
And he says with a straight face, anyone who doesn't support this legislation is helping Putin.
It's insanity, but it's intimidated almost the entirety of the U.S. Congress and certainly the Republican leadership, which is four square on the side of the Biden administration to continue this tragedy.
There are very few members of Congress who dissent.
And one of them who has done so consistently and in the most articulate possible way and on principle has been Congressman Thomas Massey of Kentucky, who we wanted to talk to about this and also to thank for his bravery and steadfastness.
Congressman, thank you so much for coming on.
I mean, I've got so many questions, but well, why don't you just tell us why you're not voting for this?
thomas massie
Well, we can't afford it.
Look, at some point, I realized we had spent more in Ukraine than we spend on all our roads and bridges in the United States.
And I tweeted that and Newsweek did a fact check on me.
And what they found out is it was true.
And, you know, when you get the fact checkers to admit that a conservative, when they give them a mostly true rating, it's a metaphysical certainty.
And since then, we've spent twice as much in Ukraine as we do on all of our roads and bridges federally in the United States.
That is money that could have gone to double our infrastructure.
Yet we're blowing up infrastructure that we're going to end up, I hate this, but they're going to tell us that we have to rebuild it when this is all over with.
tucker carlson
The scale of this insanity is hard to digest.
And I think whatever empire comes after, ours will spend time studying it, you know, what not to do.
But you got to wonder, like, why is the leadership of your party, the Republican Party, in favor of this?
Why the new speaker, who seems like a nice guy, but also like a child?
Why would his first act as speaker be to endorse this?
unidentified
I'm confused.
thomas massie
Well, I hope he doesn't.
But, you know, Biden's budget director, the head of the OMB, sent a letter yesterday to Speaker Mike Johnson, imploring him to spend more money in Ukraine.
And what they said is they want to revitalize our defense industrial base.
That's the new acronym, DIB, for the MIC, the military-industrial complex.
And they sent a list of states that would get money when we spend money on deadly munitions because they have to be manufactured in Alabama or Ohio or Texas.
And so, you know, they're saying the quiet part out loud that congressmen tend to vote for this stuff because a lot of this federal spending that goes to Ukraine is actually laundered back to the military-industrial complex.
And in some ways, not very efficiently, but in some ways it enriches people in their districts and the stockholders, some of whom are congressmen.
tucker carlson
You sort of, that's all so grotesque, but it's also straightforward.
You know, people are getting rich, so let's do it.
Okay, that's an argument.
It's an immoral argument, but it is one.
But that's not the argument they're making in public.
They're saying we have a moral obligation.
You're a bad person.
You just heard the National Security Advisor say that you're a bad person if you're against this.
But no one ever mentions that we have abetted the killing of an entire generation of Ukrainian men that will not be replaced to fight a war that they cannot win.
They literally cannot win.
We prevented a peace deal and we extended the war and we killed all these people.
And so all the ones running around with their little Ukraine flag pins, they're implicated in that.
unidentified
Has anyone apologized?
thomas massie
No, to support this money, you have to be economically illiterate and morally deficient.
Those are both conditions of voting for this.
Because to say that we're going to grind down Russia, that we're going to deplete their own soldiers by expending the lives of Ukrainians, knowing that in the end, we're going to leave them holding the bag, that in the end, they can never prevail.
They're not going to take back Crimea, even though we say that's one of the goals.
When we can get them to state goals, which usually they won't.
So it's morally reprehensible to say that you should fund this.
And by the way, he says I'm a friend of Putin because I won't vote for this money.
Well, I would say that I'm a friend of Americans and I'm putting America first.
But he's part of, I would say, Putin's reelection campaign because Putin is a Cold War relic that was elected in response to our Cold War relic, which is NATO.
By expanding NATO, the neocons and the liberals, every time they push NATO closer to Russia, they help people like Putin get elected.
tucker carlson
It's, you know, outside our borders, it's very obvious that the whole world is resetting and that American influence is in very rapid decline, thanks in large part to this war in Ukraine and that Russia is now joining this coalition, which will be the majority of the world's population and economy and military strength aligned against us.
So this is resetting the world to our disadvantage.
Again, leave the country.
It's obvious your first day that this is happening very fast.
Does anyone in Washington see that?
thomas massie
No, there are very few.
You know, I've been voting against these resolutions in Ukraine and the money going to Ukraine since 2014.
In 2014, we helped to overthrow their elected government.
And we were saber-rattling against Russia.
And I said, listen, these sanctions and this saber-rattling and these resolutions, they're going to have consequences and they have had consequences.
Almost nobody in Washington, D.C. will admit this through their voting record.
Now, they know it, but they won't admit it, and they won't vote that way.
tucker carlson
You don't hear people say the news is full of wine.
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