Martin Shkreli's Advice to Sam Bankman-Fried on Surviving Prison
Tucker Carlson is joined by American businessman and convicted felon Martin Shkreli to discuss his controversial sentencing and time in prison. Shkreli also details the advice he gave to convicted fraudster and FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried who may face a similar fate.
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You can be a victim of a crime without necessarily losing anything.
And while the government normally never pursues a case like that, they pursue cases where somebody opens their pockets and says, look, I gave this guy a million bucks.
And I, you know, one of the questions was, is there internet in prison?
I said, no, Sam, there's no internet in prison.
You know, you have, if you can smuggle a cell phone in through somebody's butt or something, maybe you can, you know, find a way to get, you know, some cell phone reception.
But no, there's no internet kiosk where you can go play video games.
It's a rough place.
And, you know, I think one of the reasons I was successful in prison, I have many friends from there, is that I understand, you know, I grew up in Brooklyn, melting pot.
I understand minorities.
And I, you know, we had a lot in common.
And commonality is humanity.
And, you know, all the trials and tribulations they would face with their families, I'd face with mine, that commonality existed.
No, they didn't go to college most of the time.
No, we had different levels of education.
But there were a lot of smart people there.
There were a lot of, yeah, sure.
I mean, you know, the circumstances that people can fall into making a left turn or right turn in life, you know, you can make mistakes.
And I think that there are a number of people who have, who've been very successful.
Michael Milken, you know, obviously people like, you know, Charles Kushner.
You know, there are folks who have gone to prison and made a mistake in life.
And the young men mostly who get locked up, who are mostly black or Hispanic, it is a sad thing to see.
And I don't know what the solution is, but I do see that a good 10, 20% of them are really good eggs that kind of just are sorry for what they did.
They felt like they had no choice.
Maybe that's right, maybe that's wrong.
But there are people that probably do deserve a second chance.
And unfortunately, society, every time I read a story about me, it's convicted felon Martin Shkrelli.
And I'm saying, well, why don't you say U.S. patent owner Martin Shkrelly or billion-dollar company starter Martin Shkrelli?
You know, he's a young entrepreneur who romanced the Clintons, romanced the world.
He is friends with Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton.
He was a big donor to the Democrats.
And he was also a guy at a very young age who had a very big company.
And I know what that's like.
And he had a much bigger company, 10 times bigger than mine, but not a thousand times bigger.
You know, we're in the same universe.
And, you know, he was just kicking butt.
You know, he was on the cover of Forbes and was all a lie.
And he actually didn't succeed at all, which is ironic.
But he represented this group called Effective Altruism, which has sort of took Silicon Valley by storm.
And me and a few other people created a countergroup called Effective Accelerationism, where we kind of said, we're the diametrical opposite of you guys, and you guys are going to ruin our country if you keep sort of talking about what you're talking about.
And EA, Effective Altruism, has basically died with Sam.
You know, he was laid bare as a fraud.
And I think that whole movement has been laid bare as a fraud.
No, I started to get to know him when his company was succeeding, and then I really started to get to know him when he got in trouble.
And I think that it's just a sort of sorry situation.
Kind of went through it too, where you just can't believe that this has happened to you and you're in denial that they're going to win.
You know there's nothing you can do about it.
And this is a guy who's gone to every math competition, every mit you know thing and he's been told he's special his whole life and he's in this spider's web of the DOJ indictment where it doesn't matter how smart you are, you cannot think your way out of this.
You're going to jail and you know the one or two cases where you somehow were acquitted was a huge mistake for the DOJ and they went back and studied how that won't.
Happen again.
You know it's.
It's a system designed to incarcerate you and he's been defiant.
He went on a speaking tour, he went on all this stuff.
They had to lock him down to his house uh, on house arrest because he was talking too much, and they finally said, enough, we're tossing you in and it's hard enough to be indicted.
It's hard harder to fight it from inside a jail cell.
Um, there's this guy who fled and he actually fled successfully and he came back.
My lawyer was his lawyer and he came back and he said, look, you know, the thing you were charged for isn't illegal anymore.
Can my guy come back to the Us?
And judge said, absolutely, if he comes back here, he's got to do another three or four years and they made an agreement to do that.
But it's, it's hard if you're sam bankman with you with his face, to sort of flee and find a place to to flee, and you know they tend to find you.
Um, the government of the U.s.
Stretches to almost every other country in the world.
You know they have uh uh, you know, agreements to send you back, extradite you.
Uh, only three countries don't have those agreements.
So you better be ready to be Edward Snowden in essence, if you want to sort of, you know, have a way to to flee and survive.
And you know, it's just one of these things where you know, as soon as there's a warrant or something like that they, they pay pretty close attention to you.
Fleeing, you know, is also kind of, I think, to a lot of folks a bit of a cowardly kind of way out.
You know, I think that that arrogance that comes with, you know, success in life bleeds over to the system.
Oh, I can beat this, I can find a way to get out of this.
And there is no way out of it.
I think he's learning that the hard way right now.
It's really funny, because you know it's foregone conclusion and I That there's a mix of things that make these trials unfair.
You know, one of them is this putative burden on the government, which doesn't exist.
So they get to go first.
And if you know anything about behavioral economics or Daniel Kahneman, if you have to sit through five weeks of why this guy's a bad guy, and after five weeks, he gets to speak his piece, it's really unfair because the anchoring principle of I've just heard this guy being bad guy.