We are kicking off a new series on the history of the New Apostolic Reformation with Dr. Matthew Taylor. "Charismatic Revival Fury: The New Apostolic Reformation" will run from the first Monday in December all the way to the January 6th anniversary. The series will explore the history of the NAR through its key figures - starting with C. Peter Wagner, then moving to Ché Ahn, Lance Wallnau, Cindy Jacobs, and Dutch Sheets. Along the way we will see how people like Sean Feucht, Gen. Michael Flynn, Doug Mastriano, and others fit into the NAR matrix.
The NAR is the most influential Christian phenomenon that you either haven't heard of, or don't understand. It is much discussed, but rarely explored in depth with a scholar's insight and patience. This series will break down myths and clearly present the origins of the fastest growing component of Christianity in the USA - and maybe the world.
The views expressed by Matthew D. Taylor are his own and do not represent the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies.
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Welcome to Straight White American Jesus.
My name is Brad Onishi, faculty at the University of San Francisco.
Our show is hosted in partnership with the Kapp Center at UCSB, and today I have an amazing guest, and that is Dr. Matthew Taylor, who I'm going to tell you all about in a minute, because not only am I going to introduce you to Dr. Taylor, but I'm going to introduce you to a brand new series that we're going to be doing here on the Straight White American Jesus feed.
for the next few weeks, actually for over a month, and it's going to lead us right up to the two-year anniversary of January 6th.
Before I tell you about it, I need to tell you that I will be down in Southern California in January, January 13th at First United Methodist Church in Costa Mesa and January 14th at Mission Hills Church in Los Angeles.
So, if you're around, I'm going to be talking about my book and Christian nationalism and how Christian nationalism has An incredible kind of foundation in Southern California.
So if you're around, come see me.
I'll also be at Elliott Bay Books in Seattle on January 19th.
So all you Seattle folks, PNW people, I hope I can find you there.
All right, let's get to it.
Dr. Matthew Taylor, first of all, Matt, welcome.
Thanks for being here.
Thanks, Brad.
Glad to be here.
So, Dr. Taylor is a scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies, which is in Baltimore.
He specializes in Muslim and Christian dialogue, holds a PhD from Georgetown University, also holds degrees from UC Irvine, which is close.
We grew up sort of near one another, and Fuller Seminary, which you've heard me talk about and will come up here later on.
His first book, and we'll get into this, is really about both Salafi Muslims and Evangelical Christians.
There's a sort of comparative dimension to this, but we're really here today to talk about something that's really exciting, Matt, and that is a series that's going to start in one week, and that is Charismatic Revival Theory, the New Apostolic Reformation.
The New Apostolic Reformation is the thing that everyone on Twitter talks about, thinks they know about, is always discussing, and I'm not going to lie, most of them have zero idea of what's going on with the New Apostolic Reformation.
It's that thing that everyone discusses and no one actually has any clue what they're discussing, except for a few people of course.
You are a specialist in like this comparative project, Salafi Muslims and Evangelical Christians, and now your whole next iteration of your scholarly life is on the New Apostolic Reformation.
So we're going to talk about what the N.A.R.
is or the N.A.R.
is and where it comes from.
But before that, like, how did you get here?
How did you get from your first book to to kind of being, you know, neck deep in archives related to the New Apostolic Reformation for the last couple of years?
So like you, Brad, I grew up in Southern California.
I grew up in the evangelical world.
Was really kind of involved in evangelical ministry, thought that was my whole life.
And then as I started pursuing education, started growing, I realized I'm not really evangelical anymore.
And along the way, though, I got really interested in Islam.
And so started digging and wound up going and getting a PhD in Islam and found this deep resonance with the movement of Salafism.
The Global Revival Movement within Islam.
And just found all these interesting connections between that and evangelicalism.
Wound up writing my dissertation and first book on that.
And I had sent the manuscript of my first book off to the publisher on the morning of January 6th, 2021.
And I thought I could take a little break that afternoon.
I think a lot of us thought that.
I think a lot of us thought we were going to take a break that afternoon.
And instead, I was trying to keep my preschool-aged children from seeing what was going on on TV while trying to watch it myself.
And watching the events of that Capitol, my experience was horror, but not exactly surprise.
I'm a religion scholar.
I'm primed to pick up on religious elements and there's a ton of Christianity on display in the Capitol Riot.
It's something that I know you've covered a lot already.
But I also felt there's something deeply personally resonant about the style of spirituality that we saw that day.
I grew up in a wide variety of evangelical, charismatic, Pentecostal, denominational, non-denominational churches in SoCal.
And I had a lot of friends and acquaintances, people I knew from way back in the day who are still friends on social media.
And I'd seen this radicalization growing amongst these folks.
People talking about prophecies about Donald Trump, Christian nationalism sentiments and then this fixation with January 6th that was growing and moving more and more in that direction.
So I started digging and the question that I had was less, who are the Christian rioters?
We've gotten some data about that in the press, but who are the leaders who inspired them?
Who are the sources of the spirituality that we found?
On January 6th, just exploding into view.
And so I spent the last two years trying to decipher that.
Who are the core leaders of this Christian Trumpist movement?
And how did they help create the atmosphere of the Capitol riot?
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