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March 21, 2025 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report: Paul Harrell Program: From Democrat/Green Party Activist to Trump Supporter
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this edition of the Paul Harrell program.
We really appreciate it.
We've got a great show for you.
We're going to talk, I guess, I don't know what we're going to talk.
Is it liberal to conservative?
What are even those terms?
Liberal to conservative conversion?
I don't know how to exactly characterize it, but it's going to be good.
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We turn now back once again to our friend here.
Mr. Jacob Holloway is back with us.
Jacob, thank you so much for coming back on the program.
I'm really happy to be back.
This is a story that's long overdue, been coming for a while to finally get this out here and be able to talk about this.
Yeah, well, people may be wondering, like, why?
You know, I love having you on, and you happen to be in town for another week.
And so we said we wanted to do another one of these.
You used to be a liberal.
You used to be a progressive, I would say, Occupy Wall Street type liberal.
We're talking about going back to 2010.
Yeah, and it goes beyond that as well.
But what's funny is you used to read my letters to the Jonesboro Sun on your radio show ever before we even met.
We have an ongoing former understanding of each other.
No, we really do.
It's kind of crazy because we have mutual friends now that we didn't then.
And I do remember, like, so I was on radio in Arkansas, and I would read your letters to the editor on the air, and...
Kind of just slam you for being a leftist.
That was so long ago.
I started my career in radio in 2009.
I don't remember.
I have no idea.
I know the Tea Party was emergent then and you had Tea Party versus Occupy Wall Street.
I remember that.
I'm pretty sure that's probably what the dispute was.
There was a lot.
I probably started writing letters to the Jonesboro Sun around 2010.
And it was in 2010, because it was in 2010 when I ran for Jonesboro City Council.
And so that's kind of the first time I'd ever run for public office.
And I just moved back from Fayetteville.
And we can go back and kind of talk a little bit about that.
I just started writing all these letters to the Jonesboro Sun, and nobody was really writing letters to the Jonesboro Sun like I was writing letters to the Jonesboro Sun, and they pretty much just gave me a column in the paper about every week, and I'm sure I maxed out the word limit.
Several times, and they just go ahead and run it.
People told me someone was reading my letters.
I felt flattered.
Yeah, man.
It's crazy how things have gone.
I think what we're going to find here as we kind of go over things today is how so many of those positions back then, there is like a new political coalition that has been formed over the last 15 years, certainly with the re-election of Donald Trump.
So it's pretty wild to think about.
If you go back to 2010 and you have this rise of the Tea Party, specifically in the South, just for those of you that don't know, specifically in the South, you had kind of a last bastion of blue dog Democrats.
And in Northeast Arkansas, which is where you and I are from, we had a congressman named Marion Barry who was a Democrat.
But then when Obama gets in in 2008 and he starts pushing Obamacare, There was kind of a contingent of Southern Democrats that were like, you know, we don't want this.
Some of them did want it.
But Obamacare and Obama's presidency effectively ended Democrat rule in Southern states like Arkansas, where people would maybe vote for Democrats locally, but they would then maybe vote for Republicans in the president.
It was a very weird time.
It at least kind of made things a little bit more consistent, although the Uniparty certainly was corrupt and at play the whole time.
Arkansas was an anomaly.
By the time I got into politics in this state, Arkansas was a huge anomaly.
There was no other southern state quite like Arkansas, and it was probably the last bastion of the southern Democrats.
And I worked for Marion Barry.
I was his legislative assistant.
Now, were you in D.C.?
Yeah, I got to go to D.C. in 2008.
And then I also worked out of the first congressional district office, and I spent that summer in 2008 in D.C. And that was kind of like his last go-around, you know, because I think he got out around...
2010 or something like that.
I don't know if he ran again.
No, no, yeah, that's when he was ousted, and Congressman Rick Crawford became one.
He's still there now.
He's now been...
He's now the head of the Permanent Select Committee on House Intelligence, Rick Crawford is.
That shows you how much things have changed.
So when I worked for my congressman, Marion Barry, and I also worked for the Arkansas Democratic Party, and this all goes back actually to around 2004 and 2006, because what got me involved in politics in the first place...
I wasn't really politically involved, and my parents were actually conservative.
They were Republicans.
And my dad was in the military.
And what got me involved in politics was the Iraq War because my dad got deployed or was going to get deployed.
And so I got involved in the John Kerry campaign here in Arkansas in 2004, but also working for Congress.
You had Senator Mark Pryor.
You had Senator Blanche Lincoln, you know, who would, you know, vote for all these liberal policies.
Somebody who was, you know, who, you know, kind of became...
I was liberal in college, certainly, but then became conservative and then started the radio show.
You know, Blanche Lincoln, you know, do all these...
Liberal things, but the message wouldn't get out, and she'd come talk about how beautiful the sunrise is over the Delta, and everybody's like, yeah, I live in the Delta.
I've seen the sunrise.
I'll vote for you.
Yeah, she was...
Well, and I have some stories about her as well.
You know, how I got Bill Halter to run against her in the primary.
In the primary, right.
And that was when I was really involved in the Democratic Party.
Okay, before we go any further, Jacob, I want people to understand just how involved you were in the Democrat Party.
There is a slideshow that you graciously provided to show.
Just because this is crazy.
It's wild to me because we've had you on for the Nevada sex slavery scandal, exposing that.
We've had you on for the ag tech.
And you've got all these photos.
It's like you're some time traveler or something.
You know, you're always there.
It's really funny.
So you provided us with some of these.
So, okay, this is you.
How old were you in this picture and who is this?
I had to be like...
Maybe 18, 19 years old, and that's Geraldine Ferraro, and she was the first woman vice presidential candidate for the Democratic Party.
I believe she ran with Dukakis.
Okay. And then we have you with, that's former Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe.
Yeah, and that was at his inauguration ball, and I was at the governor's mansion.
And what's crazy about that is he really was the last Arkansas Democrat, because as all of these, the congressional delegation, Oh yeah.
Everybody liked him.
He was universally liked.
You know, there's really no arguing with that.
Yeah. Even I didn't disagree with his policies.
You know, he was a...
Excellent communicator.
And then here is you with Dennis Kucinich.
Yeah, that was around 2008.
This is about the time when I got kicked out, right after I was really getting kicked out of the Democratic Party.
Okay. You got kicked out, and I want to talk about that here.
Yeah, and then I met with Dennis Kucinich in Washington, D.C. And that's when I was really anti-war and looking at joining the Green Party at the time.
It's funny.
Kucinich was one of my first, I guess, red pill moments.
I was watching Bill O'Reilly all the time, like many of you.
And Kucinich is coming on.
Bill O'Reilly has.
And they're talking about, I think it was in 2014.
It was in 2014.
It was during the Ukraine made on...
Revolution, which we now know is a coup led by Victoria Nuland and everything.
And Kucinich was on as the protesters erupt.
Remember the gunmen that were firing into the crowd that they were blaming on the current government?
And I can't remember the name of the president that fled.
The U.S. clearly didn't like because he was more friendly towards Russia.
It was Kucinich that comes on Bill O'Reilly.
And at the very end, he says that this wasn't started by the opposition forces.
This was started by NGOs that are funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars.
And Bill O'Reilly's like, all right, we've got to go to break.
We'll be back here in just a minute.
And I was like, wait a second, what?
And that was like a real wake-up call for me.
You know, what's funny is when I was the vice president of the Arkansas Young Democrats, and I decided to support...
Dennis Kucinich against Obama and Hillary Clinton.
He was a long shot, and nobody even knew who he was.
But I was endorsing him and promoting him.
And I was in Fayetteville at the time, and I got an invitation to a party.
And I walked down from the campus down to Dixon Street, and they were having a private party down around George's.
So this is in Fayetteville now?
This is in Fayetteville.
This is when I was a student.
This is all when I was a student in Fayetteville.
And, you know, because that's when I was really deep in the Arkansas Democratic Party.
And so I show up for this party, and lo and behold, it was being hosted, you know, by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
And guess who's hosting it?
Chelsea Clinton.
And she's there.
And so I'm standing there.
Talking to Chelsea Clinton at this event, and everybody's endorsing Hillary, supporting Hillary, except for me.
And she comes up to me, and she's like, you know, flirting with me about, you know.
Yikes. Yeah, I know, she was flirting with me.
And I think she had a boyfriend at the time, but, you know, I guess, you know, she was having a good time, had a couple drinks.
And her and I were talking about her mom's policies.
You're not suicidal, are you?
No, I'm not.
I'll never whack myself.
I really love all of my oligarch benefactors.
So shout out to you, Chelsea.
So anyway, I told her that I wasn't going to support her mom, and she kept trying to get me to...
I didn't want to support her mom against Obama.
And I wasn't supporting either of them.
By the time, it was just Obama and Hillary.
But I was still supporting Kucinich as just a protest.
But I told her, I said, you know, I really don't want to go to war.
And I said, I think your mom wants to go to war with Iran and half the world.
Wow. You were right.
And she said, oh, she doesn't want to do that.
She doesn't want to do that.
And I said, I think she does.
And so anyway.
That's a funny little story there.
Maybe I should have told Chelsea I support her mom.
But anyway, who knows where that would have went that night.
All right, well, I got more photos here.
All right, so that's Kucinich.
And then we have you with John Kerry.
So around, you know, and so I'd actually worked for his campaign.
This is incredible.
I just think this is so funny.
I worked for his campaign in 2004.
And, you know, and I was pretty, I'd met all the Arkansas Democrats and many of the national Democrats by this time.
And mind you, you know, at that time I was only in high school.
I couldn't even vote.
And so I met all these National Democrats by that time.
I was super involved in the political party and in the election process by the time I was a senior in high school.
And I was the president of our local high school Democrats as well, and all of my friends.
And a lot of it had to do with...
You know, Fahrenheit 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq.
And my, you know, I did not support the invasion of Iraq because I knew my dad was going to get deployed, and lo and behold, he did.
Actually, it was on my 18th birthday when I got a call.
I knew I was going to go to the U of A, and I got a call from my dad, and he told me I just got the orders to go to Iraq.
So here I am getting ready to go to college, and my dad's getting ready to get deployed to the 875th Combat Engineers.
What was your dad's experience over there?
Did he make it back okay?
Well, he's got four Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star.
Combat engineers is one of the most dangerous jobs that they have.
He was on route clearance.
So like IEDs?
Yeah, putting out IEDs, finding IEDs, route clearance, and all of that.
Of course, they only had one real casualty in the 875th during their deployment.
But yeah, my dad got blown up four times.
He got 80% disability from the VA.
When he got back and he actually had to hire a lawyer, like a caseworker, to even get his 100% disability in the end.
They tried to screw him out of that after 30-something years in the military.
He did career military, like 35 years, something crazy like that, straight out of high school.
I know there are veterans that have that same story.
Yeah, yeah.
So my dad, you know, he's okay, but like...
You know, I'm sure other veterans got screwed.
And, you know, and he's got a story to say about Iraq, too.
You know, he told me there was a lot of military contractors ripping off the government.
And they could all see that there.
But, yeah, you know, that was a big thing for me.
It really impressed upon me.
How much I hated the George W. Bush administration and how much I distrusted the US government and how much I really just distrusted the government and authority and power in general.
My real hatred towards that war and what they did to Iraq and never getting any justice from that.
The Americans never got justice.
Iraqis never got justice.
I think George W. Bush should have been impeached for war crimes, but Nancy Pelosi didn't impeach George W. Bush.
She impeached Trump twice.
Yeah, there you go.
I did this earlier in the week.
We were talking about just the absolute death toll of Christians.
And ever since, you know, anytime the U.S. gets involved in the Middle East, our foreign policy actually just displaces Christians.
You know, there was like a million Christians in Iraq before.
I think they call them Yazidis.
Now there's, I think, like 200,000 or something.
I mean, it's just crazy how that works.
Okay, back to this slideshow, though, because we've got...
I'm saving one of the photos for last here.
This is you.
What are you doing here?
This just shows you that you're...
It's a national convention.
Yeah, the Democrat National...
Convention for Young Democrats or something like that.
Okay, and then we have...
Oh, here it is.
This is the ringer.
This is the one I was just like...
This is incredible.
So Hillary...
This is in South Carolina, Columbia, South Carolina.
And she was...
That's when she was still running against Obama.
And this is before the primary there.
And so they were like, oh, you got a chance to take a picture with Hillary.
There's people from Arkansas.
And then this last one is you and Ralph Nader.
Yeah, by that time, I had already joined the Green Party.
I was 100% against the Democrats.
And I invited Ralph Nader to U of A to speak as an independent presidential candidate in 2008.
Okay. All right.
So we have established now that you were firmly...
Within the Democrat apparatus.
And so in the rock wars, what got you involved?
You didn't like it that your dad went over there and everything else and the foreign intervention.
We're going to spread democracy.
You saw right through that.
Which, by the way, it's so interesting that this is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on as well.
Because the left...
In this country, it used to be against war and foreign intervention.
Correct. And something has happened between now and then, not to leapfrog too much, but it's wild that that is now no longer...
And now those people, a lot of those people, not all of them, are now backing Trump, or at least there's a faction within the Republican Party that...
Does not want to continue this same failed foreign policy.
Yeah, my core political beliefs haven't changed, honestly, very much.
I've watched the political parties change around me and seen an entire political realignment around me.
I've changed a little bit, you know, I think.
But a lot of my core beliefs around government and authoritarianism and being against tyranny and centralization of power and war, that's never changed.
And so I've watched the world change.
You know, in all these years.
And this, you know, is why I really don't feel like I fit in either political party still.
I think you and most Americans would agree with that at this point.
It's just, it's lesser of two evils.
So I got, I eventually got kicked out of the Arkansas Democratic Party because...
You got kicked out of the party.
Yeah, I got kicked out.
So you were somebody, I mean, you were, as we've established, you know, kind of firmly in there, in the Arkansas Democrat apparatus.
Yeah. And then they kicked you out.
Why did they kick you out?
Because I had wrote a letter to the editor to our school newspaper criticizing Mark Pryor, our senator, about supporting the George W. Bush administration and the Military Commissions Act and warrantless spying and wiretapping on Americans and also the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act,
which was basically that the government can label anybody they want as a terrorist who doesn't agree with the government.
And, of course, I have to stand up for our civil liberties and constitution no matter whose side I'm on.
Okay, so you were calling out, in your letter, you talked about Mark Pryor here, specifically Holloway, listed Pryor's vote for the Military Commissions Act.
And this is a website by the UATrav.com, the traveler, I guess.
And it says here that the MCA, so I don't even remember this, but it says here the MCA...
It was the Siamese twin of the unconstitutional U.S. Patriot Act, but arguably more evil.
It institutionalized the privilege of kings.
It institutionalized enhanced interrogation.
Torture and admissibility, of course.
Testimony in secret courts.
It's talking about suspending habeas corpus.
Also, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, which vaguely defines homegrown terrorists as anyone promoting any belief that the government's considered to be an extremist agenda.
It's crazy to read this back in the day because these systems have been weaponized now against the American people.
And yet, so again, to my previous point, It's wild how this issue is now really nowhere inside the Democrat Party.
And if you want to fight about this issue, the coalition to do it in the Republican Party is the only place where you can actually even have this argument, this discussion.
Yeah, and I got kicked out in 2008 for bringing this stuff up.
And if you read the article, Pryor's office, there wasn't a Republican running against Pryor.
Nobody was running against Pryor.
And Pryor's chief of staff reached out to me on the phone.
And they were so worried about me criticizing him.
And, you know, I basically said, well, you know, you don't have to vote for Pryor.
That's what I said in my letter.
I said there's a Green Party candidate you can vote for.
No one else is running.
It's a Democrat and a Green Party candidate.
And at the time in Arkansas, the Republicans didn't run for office.
It was nuts.
This goes back to that whole period of time where there weren't Republicans in Arkansas.
Right. 08 was the last time where it was like no one's going to...
Basically, the election...
I just said, you know, vote your conscience.
I said, if Rebecca Kennedy, the Green Party candidate, resonates with you and you're anti-war and you're pro-constitution, then this is your chance to send a message to Pryor.
It's not going to hurt.
It's not going to be like the Green Party stole your vote.
Right. So when you got kicked out, did you have an official title at that time?
Yeah, I was the secretary of the University of Arkansas Young Democrats, and then I was the vice president of the Arkansas Young Democrats.
And then I'd had several other various campaign positions before.
I mean, it was...
Yeah. You know, I was going somewhere.
They were grooming me to move up in the Democratic Party at that point.
I was one of those young leaders they keep on the bench for later.
But they filtered me out real fast as I started talking about...
So you were forced to resign or you got kicked out?
Oh, I got kicked out and forced to resign.
It was a prior's chief of staff called my personal cell phone, and I was on the phone with him for about two or three hours trying to negotiate something.
And if you go into that article, it talks about how that prior's chief of staff was actually willing to send their team to Fayetteville to meet with me to try and work something out.
Okay. But, you know, in the end, they just decided to go ahead and curb stomp me and get rid of me, and it wasn't worth their time or effort trying to win me back.
You know, it's better just to throw me, cast me aside.
So, is it safe to say that, you know, because you were telling people that they could vote for the Green Party candidate, that that made the Green Party kind of, like, the most obvious next step?
Yeah. And let's also talk about how, like, I mean, I kind of think the Green Party's full of communists.
I mean, maybe that's an over...
Certainly there are some in there, yeah.
Okay. So you're working...
You go into the Green Party now, right?
Yeah. Is this a good...
Have we spent enough time?
Do you want to say anything else about your time in the Democratic Party?
Just that, you know, I mean, look, they're just really awful people, and look how they use people, and they have no morals or ethics, and how, in the end, they'll cannibalize their own and throw good people away, and, you know,
they're everything awful that you think they are.
Yeah. Well, you see that now, too.
I mean, that's certainly a line of consistency within the Democrats, because you're like...
You've seen these people.
You take a J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books, right?
She's in line with this whole move.
I know she's across the pond, but then she says this one thing.
Like, I actually am not down with a trans agenda.
And then she's anathematized, right?
You've seen that here.
And that's one of the reasons why there was this new political coalition with Trump and everything else, RFK.
Sure. It's because of this.
It's really religious in a way.
Like a religious dogma.
You're either going to be in line with every jot and tittle.
Or we're going to get rid of you.
Yeah, so I pretty much got canceled before, like, canceling was a thing.
And the Democrats canceled me because...
You're expendable.
Yeah, and I didn't support the war, and I wasn't going to tote the line.
And so they just, yeah, they thought I was expendable.
That's how they look at people.
Yeah. Especially in politics.
All these people in politics, what I realized, are just a bunch of psychopathic narcissists.
Yeah. Okay, so can you tell me how, because we've had you on the show before, and I know eventually, like, you actually worked for the Trump campaign.
In Nevada.
You may have already touched on it.
There's a lot of time in between.
What makes you go from a Green Party to a Trump supporter?
Well, I think when Trump ran in 2016, before that, I had also supported Bernie Sanders because I hated Hillary Clinton so much.
And when I heard Hillary Clinton was running, at that time I didn't even live in Arkansas anymore.
I just moved out of the state.
And then I heard Hillary Clinton was running for president, and I thought, oh no, she cannot.
And so when I heard Bernie Sanders was running, I got behind the Bernie Sanders campaign.
Feel the burn.
Yeah, which was exciting.
I thought the Bernie Sanders campaign was exciting.
You know, around that time, I was still, I was kind of like left-leaning libertarian, if you can try and square that.
But, like, you know, I thought Bernie Sanders should be the nominee, not Hillary.
And I wanted to see him win.
And I, you know, I registered to vote in another state.
I didn't trust the Democratic Party,
but I wanted to see Bernie upset it and to see Bernie get Get it rigged and stolen from him, basically, for Hillary, who I absolutely hate.
That was enough for me to turn to Trump and say, okay...
So even in 2016, you were one of those...
Because people talked about that, right?
There was a Bernie contingent of, okay, now we're going to vote for Trump.
Yeah, because Trump was the most populist and he was against the wars.
And so because Trump was an outsider and against the war in Iraq...
Which was the main thing that I was voting on because of my dad's deployment and just generally I was against the wars.
Him standing up there in the debates calling out Jeb Bush, calling out the donors, calling out the weapons of mass destruction lie.
And Hillary pushes the war in Iraq.
She voted for the war in Iraq.
Wanted to go to war in Syria.
That was very clear that she wanted to go to war in Syria against the Russians.
Then Trump wins.
So then they frame it, well, that must be because Trump and the Russians are colluding.
And then, of course, you have the WikiLeaks thing in there.
We still have all these questions about Seth Rich.
Are we ever going to get the laptop that the FBI is supposed to hand over?
They're now saying they're not going to.
Or at least this was like three or four weeks ago.
I mean, to go back into the 2016, that's...
There's a lot there.
And of course, we could almost have a whole show about this stuff, about how the government destroys whistleblowers and covers everything up.
And really, it's a grand level of espionage against anybody who wants to expose the lies and corruption in our government.
You know, and I ran up right against that when the Democrats threw me out of their party.
And then, you know, and then that's when I got into third party politics.
And at the time, I was quite naive, but I thought, well, you know, maybe it's time for a third party, you know, and I thought that maybe...
People are ready to listen to a different message because I wasn't seeing any hope in the Republicans or the Democrats.
And, you know, I came back to Jonesboro.
I ran for city council.
You also ran for Congress, right?
Yeah, that would be afterwards.
I ran for city council.
I was independent.
I ran against Charles Frierson.
Everybody has to run nonpartisan.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
They're all nonpartisan.
Charles Frierson was really old, and I was like 22. I think that guy stayed in office a long time after that.
Yeah, no, he was in there for like another 20 years.
I made him get out and actually campaign.
I think he just didn't run for re-election like four or five years ago.
Yeah, I don't know what happened to him, but by the time he ran against me, I was the last person that he ever had to really run against.
And that was interesting.
I was mad about them getting rid of Optimus Park, and I was mad about what the developers are doing in this town.
And I was mad about a lot of other things that I saw happening in Jonesboro because I was comparing it to Fayetteville.
I was thinking, man, we're really getting the shaft here on development in this city.
And so that pushed me to run for city council, and that was a local thing.
But I started organizing the Green Party here in the state, and I was trying to get local Green Party chapters up and going.
Which is why you had that photo with Ralph Nader again.
Or that was the connection.
Yeah, that was part of the connection.
I decided in 2012 to run for Congress, again, because of my strong opposition to the ongoing expansion of wars that were happening.
And by 2012, Obama was president.
Had Libya happened yet?
Had Muammar Gaddafi been?
Yeah, I don't...
It was around...
I can't remember.
It was in his second term.
That that happened.
But I don't think Libya had happened yet.
But he was trying to go into Syria and all of that.
And I wanted to be an anti-war candidate.
And that bleeds into our other story, how I became the chair of the Craighead County Green Party and how I was put in a position in 2012.
To handpick Kate Holiday as the next county clerk for Craighead County.
So this is where I've become intimately involved.
This is where I've become intimately involved in what was going on.
So there was this, and this is getting into local politics, folks, but just bear with us here.
There's a story here.
So there was this county clerk.
By the name of Nancy Nelms in Arkansas in a county called Craighead County.
And she had been caught.
It's really funny.
I actually had one of her camps.
She was a Democrat.
And I had one of her matchbooks with her political slogan on it.
And it said, Nancy Nelms, I stand on my record.
Very unfortunate.
Very unfortunate campaign slogan because she was caught with, I think it was not paying the IRS taxes.
For decades.
Yeah, I mean, it was a huge scandal.
So it was very clear that she was running unopposed at the time.
And so that's where – and there was nobody that was running, and so that's where the Green Party is the – they're the only party that fielded a candidate.
Yeah, because what happened – I think.
It was a fluke, really, because the Republicans and Democrats already had their convention.
And so – I got a call from, like, people start calling my phone one day because Chris Wessel at the Jonesboro Sun wrote a letter to the editor telling people to reach out to me if they wanted.
He wrote an article saying, reach out to Jacob Holloway if you want to run for county clerk.
And so all these people start calling my phone one day wanting to run for county clerk.
And, you know, I just kind of looked around at all these people, and I started figuring out what was going on, and I was sitting there.
And, you know, I went to school with Cade for a long time.
Well, we haven't even talked about it.
The candidate that you found was a guy by the name of Cade Holiday.
And he was the guy who said, okay, I'll do it.
And the Green Party backed him.
Yep. We put him up.
And the thing is, you know, I knew Cade.
He went to school with us.
All my friends, everybody knew Cade Holiday.
Cade was well-liked.
There wasn't anybody who said they didn't like Cade.
But yeah, he was like a hidden psychopath or something.
He literally, as soon as he got power, he went absolutely insane.
Okay, well, so here's the history behind it.
So he actually, he wins easily, right?
Green Party candidate.
This is from K-I-T-A dot com.
From 2012, November 7, 2012, Green Party candidate takes Craighead County clerk race.
And this was a big deal.
Of course, it was an easy win, again, because this Nancy Nelms person owed the IRS $300,000 in back tax.
The county did.
And so she had no chance of winning, so it was easy for this guy, Kate Holliday, to win.
And what happened after he won?
Was he like, Fully embracing of the Green Party and like, yeah, this is a huge win for the Green Party.
Oh, no, no.
He immediately, all these people in town, so, you know, Caden, I've known him forever, but as soon as he was looking to win and become the next county clerk, all these people in town started crawling out of the woodwork to kind of influence him.
Such as government.
All these people here in town.
That's what's going to happen.
All the Jonesboro aristocracy was crawling around him to figure out who he was.
And they were trying to groom him.
And I'm sure immediately they were telling him to get out of the Green Party.
So Cade does something totally crazy.
And he goes up there to Western Sizzlin with Rick Crawford and them.
And says, well, I've always been a member of the Republican Party, and this was a secret thing for the Republicans.
And he never told me he was going to do this, by the way.
So a lot of people call me really upset when this happened.
So what specifically happened?
That he was just going to go join the Republican Party.
He went and joined the Republicans.
He switched from the Green Party to the GOP, and his explanation was that he was always a Republican.
And he just did this as like a technicality, but he wasn't always a Republican.
So is this him right here?
Yeah, that's him at the Democratic Party Convention, National Young Democrats Convention.
So that's you and him.
Yeah, and some other Democrats.
And then there he is.
With the Mike Beebe sign.
Okay. All right.
Okay. He was always a Democrat.
Okay, so this is where I come in.
He was never a Republican.
But this is where I come in because I remember on radio, you know, covering local politics.
When this happened, I thought it was awesome.
Yeah. I was like, oh, right.
You know, this is great.
And, you know, he was the clerk for several terms.
Yep. And then it kind of all went haywire.
And when it did, you weren't surprised.
I mean, for those of you that don't know, Kate Holiday is now in federal prison.
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. I guess, Jacob, were you surprised when you heard the news?
I mean, he ended up stealing millions of dollars.
Yeah, he ended up embezzling a million and a half dollars from the county, and then he screwed over his business partner, Rose Hankins, and all kinds of other crazy stuff he was doing.
He just went totally wild, man.
It was like there was no one there to hold him back.
There was no one there to tell him no.
And this dude just went...
Totally wild.
He just did whatever he wanted to.
And he kind of went crazy.
I think he kind of just lost his mind.
Lost any attachment to reality.
The amount of money that this dude funneled and defrauded people out of.
He took $1.5 million from county.
And this is ironic considering the predecessor.
Owe $300,000 in back taxes.
This is way worse.
$1.5 million in county money for his personal use.
And he got 57 months.
Didn't he go to state prison at first?
Yeah, I think he served time in county jail to try and prevent all the, you know, I guess to slow.
I guess if you do enough time in county or whatever, then you don't have to spend as much time in state prison.
But I know, yeah, he ended up going down to Cummins.
That's right.
Arkansas has a state prison named Cummings, which is probably the worst name you could ever name a prison.
I guess he's going to be getting out soon, right?
That's what I heard.
He did that state time, but that federal time is a straight shot.
That's five years.
They let him off two years on the state time.
It was a big scandal.
Yeah, and it was crazy.
I mean, the dude just went nuts.
He was, like, buying all kinds of crazy stuff, and, like, yeah, I think they popped him because he bought that Cadillac Escalade, and he was bringing a Cadillac Escalade and parking it up in front of the county clerk's office at the courthouse,
and they weren't registered.
He never registered his vehicles.
Oh, really?
Yeah, and that's when they started finding whatever he was doing to be suspicious.
Yeah. Because that's what I heard.
Well, I think people were wondering how a county clerk could live that kind of lifestyle.
He was investing in businesses.
There was some endowment scholarship he created.
Yeah, at ASU.
So it was a wild time.
It was wild.
It was just wild.
And I didn't talk to him ever since he switched parties.
Did he tell you he was switching parties?
He alluded to it, but he didn't say what he was going to say.
He didn't tell us exactly.
He didn't ever tell his friends or anybody exactly what he was going to do.
We had no idea he was going to go up there in front of all the Republicans with Rick Crawford and say, well, I've always been a Republican, and this was a Republican thing.
And I was like, oh, wow.
That was his first huge lie, so he threw me under the bus first.
And then that's when I stopped talking to him.
Yeah. Man.
Yeah, I had to get it.
And then, you know, and I wasn't, you know, could I have picked anyone else, even myself, to run?
Yeah. Hindsight's 20-20, but this is, you know, it's unfortunate, but it really shows you put somebody in power.
This guy was an outsider, and how fast he...
It's quick, man.
In such a small office, too.
I mean, the county clerk said nothing, but he went nuts.
The power just went straight to his head, I guess.
Yeah, so, you know...
It's going crazy.
So where do you go from there?
How do you come...
I think I've already asked this, but I don't know if we got a specific answer.
Like, you go from the Green Party to Trump.
Yeah, well, I ended up...
It wasn't just Hillary being awful, right?
Yeah, so I kept working for the Green Party, trying to help them.
I realized what a...
You know, they were...
We didn't necessarily align on everything, and the Green Party was having a really hard time getting any traction or any help.
And I also started helping the Libertarian Party in Arkansas as well organize.
And get on the ballot.
And so, you know, Jessica Paxton, who was the Libertarian candidate when I ran for the Arkansas – when I ran for Congress, I was the Arkansas Green Party candidate for Congress.
When I ran against Rick Crawford in 2012, Jessica Paxton was a Libertarian, and so she met me as another third-party candidate running.
She said, well, you should run for something, and the Libertarian Party would invite you to run.
And so I was asked, what would I like to run for?
And I looked at all the Republicans and people running, and I said, yeah, I want to run for Arkansas Secretary of State because our Secretary of State, Mark Martin, was at the time a real piece of work.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah.
I always liked him.
Oh, okay.
Say, here's where we go.
Here's where we're going to...
No, I mean...
Well, he didn't...
I was a fan of Mark Martin.
Mark Martin and I...
We're okay, you know, as far as we were very nice to each other.
Why I didn't like Mark Martin is that he...
There were accusations that he was not showing up to the state capitol building to his work.
And it was kind of funny.
He was parking a car there and saying he was in his office.
I didn't know that.
I guess that was conveniently hidden for me.
I didn't know that.
Or I've never even heard of it.
So there were accusations about him doing funny things like that.
But the thing that really ticked me off about Mark Martin is that he wouldn't come to debate me.
And there was at least...
One or two public debates between me and him and Susan Inman that were set up, but he would never come to debate.
So there's actually an article in one of the articles I sent you where I saw Mark Martin the day before the debate, and he was at the...
um north indian hills neighborhood association meeting in north little rock and i saw him the night before and then here i am on on the debate stage in front of the entire state and they was like a pbs thing yeah and they asked where's mark martin i said well
i saw him last night down at the indian hills neighborhood association meeting said he's not missing but yeah so where are you mark come on
I'll still debate you.
It's wild.
Yeah, so that was my third time running for political office.
And then that's when I decided that running for political office, especially as a third-party candidate, was kind of a waste of time and a really good way to get, like, just blackballed from anything in the state of Arkansas.
And then eventually I realized I probably need to start my career somewhere else in a different state for a while.
And I moved out of Arkansas in, like, 2015.
August 2015.
And yeah, it's been almost 10 years ago.
That's wild.
Yeah. Yeah, I've been out of politics that long about until the stuff happened in Nevada.
Yeah. Which we've discussed before.
And by that time, I was in the Republican Party pretty solidly, mostly because Nye County was a super Republican county.
All of my elected officials were Republicans in that county and in that area.
I was appointed to the Republican Central Committee.
And, of course, I was an appointed office.
I had been appointed to office and actually won a vacancy election for a minor public office at the time.
That's interesting, though.
That's kind of like an interesting juxtaposition.
You've got maybe a second chance.
You could have run.
You could have run.
And I don't think you would have turned corrupt like Kate Holiday did.
So now you get another shot.
I did.
I did.
I got another shot in Nevada.
And then everything I learned about Nevada.
Yeah, you exposed corruption.
Yeah, I exposed a lot of corruption in that state.
Yeah, for those of you that don't know, we did that episode last year about the sex trafficking that's going on with the professor there, Feng Feng Fong.
Fei Fei Fong.
Fei Fei Fong.
Not Feng Feng.
That's Eric Swalwell's Chinese mistress.
Yes. Fei Fei.
Yeah, so...
That was a fascinating episode.
You guys need to check that out because nobody's talking about this sex trafficking ring of Chinese immigrants into Nevada.
It's wild.
It snares the university system and everything else.
It's pretty wild stuff.
I was working on the Trump campaign in Nevada.
In 2020, it was such a weird time.
And yeah, it was just so interesting.
You know, I got all this experience and I'd been appointed to various agricultural extension public offices in two other states as well before that.
And so when I went to New Mexico, it was the first state I really moved to.
I was living on the Zuni Reservation.
And that might be a whole show about living out on a Native American reservation out in the middle of nowhere.
And I was appointed as a tribal extension agent.
And I was basically living with the tribe for years out there.
This is crazy.
I know, it's a wild story.
It's like the 21st century equivalent of like...
An explorer.
Like, we got you on tractors in Germany.
We got you on, you know, ag tech conferences.
We got you with Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Kucinich.
I'm in Nevada.
We got you in Nevada with all this.
And then, oh, by the way, oh, by the way, I also lived on an Indian reservation for years.
Dude, that's wild.
Yeah, that was wild.
The Zuni reservation, you know, and that actually could be a whole show.
It's about the reservation system, what I learned about living on the reservations in New Mexico and just how crazy it is to live on a reservation.
But I have really great friends out there.
I still stay out there in Zuni.
I got involved in politics in New Mexico slightly as well because I became...
Very much opposed to our United States Senator, Martin Heinrich.
And I was part of a group of people who tried to get somebody to run against him this time.
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So we're still talking with Jacob Holloway.
And Jacob, what I want to know from you is, you know, going from the Democrat Party, going to the Green Party, now being, you know, in the Republican Party, and, you know, Trump's now got this second term.
How's he doing, in your opinion?
And I know that's a loaded question.
That's a really good question because, you know, so I ended up working for, you know, because now I'm in Georgia.
So I ended up working on the Trump campaign in Georgia this time.
Right, that's right.
You're based out of Atlanta now, doing a tech startup.
Yeah, and I was, you know, member of the Atlanta Young Republicans, Buckhead Young Republicans, going to Turning Point Action meetings, you know, invited to various Republican Party campaign events in Atlanta and met a lot of the elected officials there.
And, you know, it was really interesting.
It was really interesting to work and volunteer on the Trump campaign in Nevada in 2020.
And then all these years later, do it again.
But in Georgia.
And a different incarnation of my life.
What do you think about Stacey Abrams?
Oh, um...
She's not going to go anywhere in that state.
She's not going to go anywhere in that state.
I think the peak Democrat wave hit Georgia, and now it's heading back the other direction.
Yeah. And I can tell.
I can tell.
Okay, but what about Brian Kemp?
You know, there's a lot...
I mean, most people think...
Most people on the right, I mean, they think Georgia was stolen in 2020.
Oh, and certainly it could have been.
And, you know, if Nevada was stolen, then Georgia was definitely one of the other ones that could have been stolen.
But, you know, the thing is with Brian Kemp, he's a middle-of-the-road Republican kind of guy, and the economy's good in Georgia, so no one has any complaints about Kemp because the economy's booming.
And so there's just not a lot of complaints domestically about him.
In the end, all politics are local, so Kemp takes care of people in Georgia.
He's going to have an easy time there.
And the real split in the Republican Party in Georgia is down through the Kemp.
And this goes down into the young Republicans as well, but there's a Kemp faction and there's a MAGA faction in the Georgia Republican Party.
And that tends to be the two major factions in that state.
And unlike Arkansas, where the Republican Party is probably not big enough to have multiple factions, where there's probably just a MAGA faction here.
I mean, there's some split.
Sure, there's some split.
There was ASA.
But in Georgia, it's a pretty big split and pretty sizable faction because there's been multiple primaries against Kemp and against Kemp allies.
And just there's – and I sat there and I watched a lot of that.
And to go back to your other question, how is Trump doing right?
I'm kind of like...
Let's wait and see.
I hear Trump saying things that I really like.
There are things he's doing that encourage me, give me encouragement.
And certainly, I hope inflation goes down.
I hope the economy gets better.
The guy tends to be, when he's in office, things get better.
I think domestically, 100%.
Yeah, that alone.
The main reason I voted for Trump in 2020 was because of the, I don't want the wars.
Yeah, and I was going to go back to that one.
That's the main thing.
And yet, last week, we're...
We're now lobbying missiles and stuff at the Houthis in Yemen, and there are still people whispering in Trump's ear, go to war with Iran.
Oh, sure.
And then at the same time, it looks like peace in Ukraine is, they had a good phone call apparently on Monday, Trump and Putin, to actually get a ceasefire and get a long-term deal.
And we have Marco Rubio, who I can't believe I'm saying this, but he seems to actually be parroting an America first, Ish.
It's wild.
It is kind of wild.
But yet, we've got people in Trump's ear that want to go with war with Iran.
They say they want to normalize relations with Russia financially.
But my question is, how does that happen?
How do you normalize relations with Russia when Iran is a proxy of Russia?
There's so many things here.
And I'm sure, you know, who knows exactly?
What's going on with Trump's inner circle as far as diplomacy is going on.
But, you know, the war in Ukraine was a big deal.
And to watch them push that and they tried to push a war with Russia and all the money we sent to Ukraine for a proxy war and to watch the liberals line up and be so rabidly pro-war.
And I had to watch them.
I had to watch the liberals be rabidly pro-war with Syria, with Obama.
They wanted to go into Syria.
And then, you know, Obama the bomber went into Libya, and that was totally cool with the liberals.
And so all of a sudden, you know, war was liberal.
It was fashionable.
It was cool for the leftists.
You know, this thing with Ukraine made me sick to see how they embraced this whole proxy war with Russia and they wanted to go to war.
And so for that alone was enough to vote for Trump to stop World War III with Russia.
100%. And if people weren't paying attention to that or they don't understand what I'm talking about.
No, they do.
I'm sorry, but that...
That, for me, is, you know, beyond all the other domestic issues is, for me, foreign policy.
And it all goes back to the war in Iraq and my dad's deployment and how that affected me at a young age and how that has directed my entire political journey.
You know, we call this from liberal to conservative.
What is it?
For me, it was a journey.
It was my life.
And it's not over.
It's really not over.
And yeah, I think Trump did good things to influence the Republican Party in a populist way.
He got rid of a lot of the rhinos and a lot of the neocons that needed to go that I never liked.
He never liked George W. Bush.
He never liked Dick Cheney.
That's why I liked Trump, because Dick Cheney and his daughter and all the neocons hated Trump.
And I thought, well, at least if all those people hate Trump so much, I said, well, Trump's got to be great.
You know, he's got to be something better than these guys.
And I don't see anything coming out of the Democratic Party that's anti-war or really talking about populist issues.
It was only Trump.
In the end, this last iteration, this last go-around, Trump was the only real option.
There wasn't anybody else really coming out saying anything.
There was never any...
So I have a chance at world peace.
Even a chance.
And we may not get it.
He may start another war with Iran.
Sure. We don't know what Trump's going to do, but I'll tell you this.
How they slipped Kamala in there.
Yeah, comma, comma.
And they slipped Kamala in there and she was selected, didn't even go through a primary process and all that.
Oh, you talked, yeah, that's just the same thing with Bernie Sanders all over.
Then how would I have been able to do that?
I don't understand how the liberals and the democrats get behind these people and find that that's even acceptable.
I just don't understand the left anymore.
They name-call people.
Of course, I'm going to be called a racist or whatever without any proof or anything because I don't support the Democratic Party, and you get called a racist, and you get called – you get slandered basically for having different political opinions,
different political views.
I mean they really want to shut up.
Free speech.
They want people practicing free speech to be arrested and to be censored and to be kicked off and depersoned and not even get a job.
They want you kicked out of your jobs.
There literally was a leftist reign of terror going on in this country.
A leftist reign of terror happening in America.
And the only person who seemed like made any damn sense was Trump.
That was even saying anything.
Yeah, Trump says crazy things sometimes.
He tweets crazy things.
In the end of the day, everything's running great when he's been president.
There was a lot of hysteria, that Trump derangement syndrome.
A lot of my friends got it.
There are people who will not talk to me anymore because of my political opinions.
That's fine.
I may get canceled.
That's fine.
I really don't care.
I really don't care.
And that's why I've been so independent.
I'm sure the Republicans will come back around and do something really stupid that will make me hate them.
Well, a war with Iran would be absolutely insane.
That would be one too much.
A lot of this is out of our hands.
Our elected officials, I realized a long time ago, were completely sold out.
I have no faith in Congress.
I don't have any faith in the courts or the judiciary either.
They're just as corrupt.
I guess our only real hope would be to get a strong president and the presidency.
That's kind of what I was saying.
A lot of people are there as well.
The left now all of a sudden is talking about the Constitution and needing to restrain Trump from really using the power that the judiciary has given the executive over the last hundred years.
Oh, sure.
But the Constitution really hasn't meant much in this country in a long time.
And at this point, and I had a guest on the other day talking about this, that if you even want to glance at restoring...
The actual Constitution making it the law of the land.
You've got to winnow your enemies, your political enemies.
You've got to actually use the political power that you have to essentially discredit the other side, defeat the other side, defeat their ideas, consign them to the dustbin of history, because the country is in shambles constitutionally.
So you say a strong president, I think you're absolutely right.
And people...
Are willing to tolerate that now because they're sick of the double standards.
Yeah, if I was advising President Trump, I'd say your time is now.
You've got like two years before the midterms to do whatever you possibly can, and I would not hold back.
Because you won't have a chance like this again, and it's less than four years.
He's got like two years, a year and a half now, really, to get everything he could possibly do.
Possibly can get done.
And so he really needs to use every single power at his disposal if he's president.
Every single power that's given to him and his executive authority to try and get things done as fast as possible.
And the real thing, the real enemy he has is time.
So the faster he can get things done and do things in this small window of time that he has, the better.
But I don't see, you know, I mean, yeah, is Trump probably okay?
I think he's going to be...
I really hope he's a great president.
The country needs somebody who's going to unify the country.
I hope President Trump tries to be a unifier and try and unify the country because now's the time.
I think even people on the left are kind of tired of all the vitriol.
I really hope he can bring the country together and stop the wars and help us revive our economy.
And really focus on making sure this next generation of Americans have some economic opportunity for them.
And we have a whole huge tech economy in America, and a lot of it sits in Silicon Valley in California, and I've seen that, and I just talked about that.
But I really hope that they break the tech monopoly in Silicon Valley and allow the rest of America.
To have access to tech finance and startups so that we can spread that around and create economic development for places like Arkansas and all around the country.
Georgia and Nevada.
Georgia. New Mexico.
Yeah, other places.
All of the places.
Yeah, anywhere else than the Bay Area, California, and Silicon Valley.
And so I'm talking about that.
And I do my best to try and write letters to my elected officials and be involved in political campaigns and do all of that.
I don't know if I'll ever run for office again because of just how corrupt everything is.
Because once I was in public office, I just realized just how hopeless a situation the whole system is in.
My activism goes into developing tech and technology.
It's going to empower people.
I'm very concerned about where AI and robotics is taking us, as we've discussed.
It's going to be a huge issue, and I really want to see how Trump...
Did you send our interview from last week off to the White House?
Yeah, I sent it to them.
Yeah, I certainly sent it to them.
And I send them correspondences.
And that's another thing.
I'm really concerned Trump needs people sending him correspondences and trying to influence him in a populist direction.
I'm afraid that he's surrounded by tech bros and surrounded by insiders.
and there's a lot of people from Silicon Valley around him and a lot of elites around him.
And he needs to hear the voice of the people.
He needs to hear his populist base, what they want.
My recommendation is that everybody needs to like...
Be reaching out to the White House.
Be reaching out to President Trump.
Share your thoughts with the president.
Share your thoughts with your elected officials.
Be vocal.
Otherwise, people are just going to assume that silence is consent.
And I know a lot of people are really upset.
There's a lot of malcontent in this country right now.
Just generally.
And that has to do with economic inequality.
And people are working really hard.
I see everybody, especially people in my generation, the millennial generation, a lot of people working really hard, doing multiple jobs, getting nowhere.
People in debt, can't have families, can't buy houses.
They've talked about limiting interest on credit card, but to your point, it is insane to me.
We've got tax...
They're just giving away, I mean, an ungodly amount of money, millions and millions and millions of dollars, like it's nothing.
And yet we're over here slaving away and the government literally hates its own people.
It's theft.
The IRS is theft.
The income tax is theft.
We should definitely support President Trump when he says he wants to abolish the IRS.
When I heard that, I was like, bravo, Mr. President.
That would be huge.
You'd be huge.
You'd save people so much money and it hurts us so much.
Every year to have to file our taxes and see our hard-earned money go away.
You can't even budget for your taxes because you're never really sure how much you owe the IRS every year.
And it's always some moving target.
If at least they could give us a number, a solid number, and just stressing people out, man.
That's what happens in localities.
You live in your city.
If you get taxed, they send you what you owe.
and then you pay it or you dispute it versus us having to sign an affidavit every year saying I owe you this.
I'm coming up with a number.
And literally, when you sign that tax return, you're signing an affidavit.
Oh, yeah.
And so now, if they come, well, now they've got you.
You've sworn.
And now you can be prosecuted for it.
It's absolutely awful.
The whole thing is tyrannical.
It's just tyrannical.
And Americans shouldn't have to put up with this.
And you can't say it's a free country when they treat us like this.
When they treat us like...
Like chattel.
When they treat us like slaves.
Kind of winding things down, it is fascinating.
You go look at some of the Occupy Wall Street arguments, which, you know, from back in the day, and you look at that populism, that certainly was a real thing.
I wasn't a fan of Occupy Wall Street, but there were some audit the Fed people there, which is now a mainstream thing.
You've got Trump wanting to look at the gold in Fort Knox.
It's fascinating how it's taken 15 years, but it's also, It's also been, you know, it's been astroturfed by different, it's been squashed, you know, it's been controlled by so many forces,
and so, I don't know.
You say one thing, the 2024 was a brand new coalition, for good or for bad.
Obviously, I think better, lesser of the two evils than what we had, and history's going to decide, you know.
Whether or not, or how good it was, I guess, or how evil it was.
We're heading in some direction.
I think we're better than if Kamala would have been president.
And, you know, so I'm going to continue to tacitly support the Republicans and President Trump.
Really, I mostly just support President Trump.
I don't really like the Republican Party still.
That's a lot of people.
And I don't know if the Republicans will ever be able to earn back my trust after Iraq and George H.W. Bush.
Well, again, the only way, I mean, you've got to make sure we don't get any new wars.
Yeah, it's just both.
The two-party system, I would say, it someday has to be abolished.
And I'll still be calling for that.
It doesn't matter.
I think the current system is corrupt.
And as Americans, we deserve a better political system.
But we're going to have to fight for it.
So this fight, you know, it's not over.
My journey's not over.
Politically. And, you know, we'll just see.
You know, I have an optimism about it because I love this country.
I love America.
I'm willing to fight for this country.
And I want other Americans to feel that way that, you know, at least America is worth still fighting for.
And freedom is worth fighting for.
You shouldn't be afraid to speak out and run for office and follow your heart and your intuition when it comes to these political issues.
And I did it.
It took me all over the place.
I went on this huge journey, and this is where I'm at right now.
And who knows where I'll head next.
But it's only my interest is in the best interest of this country.
And as someone who...
It pontificates on politics and these things.
That's my perspective.
What's best for the United States?
What's best for regular Americans?
What's best for Arkansas and the people who live here?
Very interesting conversation.
Hey, man, I look forward to doing something like this again.
So, Jacob Holloway, we really appreciate it, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you for letting me come on here and talk.
Absolutely. Folks, that's all we got for today, and I'll see you guys on Monday.
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