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March 10, 2025 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Media Ignores Global Christian Persecution
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All right, here here we are.
Happy Monday to everybody out there watching.
Thank you so much for being with us.
My name is Paul Harrell.
We can't do the program without you watching every single day, and we do appreciate it.
My goodness, the world is a tinderbox.
We're going to be talking about that today, specifically the Christian persecution going on across the globe.
Whether it's in the Congo, whether it's in the Middle East, being totally ignored by the mainstream media.
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I don't really...
I mean, I know where to begin.
First of all, X is down or has been down.
It's up, it's down.
It's all morning.
I mean, it's crazy what's going on with this massive social media platform that now drives the news and actually can get out above.
I mean, you can actually share things and things go viral that...
You know, are now countercultural, right?
I mean, it's commonplace.
There's still some censorship that takes place on X. There's no doubt about that.
But for the most part, there's a lot of things that can get out that, I don't know, maybe like the mass slaughter of Christians in the Middle East.
Those have been making the rounds over the weekend.
And now, on this Monday, we have this giant...
I'm going to go ahead and my intuition says it's, you know, an attack against Elon Musk.
Very similar to the Tesla stations, the Tesla dealerships that have been attacked because of Elon Musk and what he's doing with Doge.
So now there is some sort of hack or attack against X, bringing down what has really now become the largest news platform in the entire world.
uh driving all kinds of different narratives but x is certainly where people are going to get their news i mean most of the show is is anchored down by uh you know links to articles that are posted on x or hot takes and luckily for x uh the website can be down but i can still maintain the pages i already had pulled up so we do have a great show for we got a lot to get to but um yeah
I think the Gateway Pundit had a story on it, and it just makes me wonder why exactly now do we have this X outage?
Again, you know, maybe it could be just something that happens in tech.
I doubt it.
To me, it just seems like this is all geared toward going after the person who is exposing corruption, specifically recently what Elon Musk says he's exposed with is ActBlue, this Democrat organization.
A lot of people are in trouble.
A lot of people are jumping ship.
They're resigning.
You combine this with Mark Mitchell and looking at the Google Trends in the D.C. area, how many people are searching for criminal defense attorney, things like shredding documents, bleach bidding your computer.
All of these things are going on.
But first, I want to start today talking about what's going on with Christians in the Middle East and how we got here.
I've said this before, but one of my first...
Wake-up calls, as the things weren't really what they seemed, was back when Bashar al-Assad, you know, the former president of Syria, or dictator of Syria, you know, pick your poison.
What's really the difference between those two terms, honestly, at this point?
We have, remember, Barack Obama, I believe this was back in 2014, Barack Obama, and he puts out this red line and says, you know, We're going to start a new war in Syria.
We're going to go to war in Syria if Bashar al-Assad crosses a red line.
It's a red line to gas your own people.
And then, lo and behold, what does Bashar al-Assad do?
He looked up at Libya.
He looked up at Libya and he saw the fate of Muammar Gaddafi and what happened with a pipe.
And, of course, he...
Lost his life.
He looked at me and said, you know what?
I want to be just like Muammar Gaddafi.
I'm going to intentionally cross the one thing.
I'm going to do the one thing President Obama says that if I do, it'll essentially mean my ouster and I'll get Muammar Gaddafi'd.
And so this is my first wake-up because it's very odd.
There was this gas attack, right?
And then, of course, if you go read Seymour Hersh's detailed article on this back in the day, 2014, called The Red Line and the Rat Line, you found out that, wow, wait a second, Bashar al-Assad didn't gas his own people.
And there are still many people today that believe this.
Many neocons today still accept this, that this is what Bashar al-Assad did.
Even though Turkey was exposed as actually being the one that did it, it was a false flag, in my opinion, to try to draw the U.S. into war.
Now, thankfully, Barack Obama didn't go to war.
Because the American people, Congress, none of us supported another war in the Middle East.
But there was this attempt to get...
We've been obsessed with the ouster of Assad this entire time.
And in the midst of all of this, in the midst...
This was, again, back in 2012, 13, 14, this push, Bashar al-Assad, really bad guy.
I found out, just based on reports, that our government was arming rebels.
That we were calling at the time moderate rebels.
These were moderate Muslim rebels, we were told.
Now the term moderate, I've later found out meant that, you know, they still want you dead, they still want Christians dead.
It just may be a difference in the way they execute you.
Maybe one would just behead you and the other would shoot you.
At least these are my crude definitions.
How I came to see the world, and I thought, wow.
And I remember, I was on talk radio, and I was saying, I don't understand this, because I'm a Christian, and weirdly enough, Bashar al-Assad, say what you want to, not a black and white situation in my opinion, but he allowed Christian communities to exist.
He allowed Christian communities to thrive in many cases.
I think 10% of the country at one time was Christian.
Now it's down to 2%.
And it was nuts because I was reading these reports about U.S.-backed Muslims that were being armed and trained by American tax dollars going into Christian villages in a civil war against Syria because they wanted Assad to be overthrown, going into Christian villages and raping and murdering and killing Christians.
And that was one of my first, I guess you could call it certainly a foreign policy red pill moment, where I said, wait a second, that is evil, that is wrong, what are we doing?
The U.S. government could pretend that it had some sort of moral high ground, but when it came to actually analyzing what it was they were enabling, the policies were enabling the murder and destruction of Christian society.
Lo and behold, that's exactly what's happened now in the wake of Bashar al-Assad leaving, Bashar al-Assad abdicating, fleeing the country, something that the United States has wanted for a very long time, something the nation-state of Israel has wanted a very long time.
The power vacuum was filled by the same, you know, now Al-Qaeda that we backed, the U.S. government backed, the nation-state of Israel backed, and now we have absolute carnage.
For Christians and other minorities in that country.
But I want to focus on the Christians because I am a Christian.
And I am biased.
And I don't want anybody dead, but I certainly don't want Christians dead.
So that's where we start today.
Is that a radical position?
I hope that's not a radical position.
Here we go.
We'll throw this up on the screen.
All right, so we start with a man by the name of George Christensen.
I don't know.
This was just a thread that I found interesting.
I don't really know who this guy is.
Ex-politician, journalist, director.
I don't know who this person is, but I thought this was an interesting thread.
We're not going to go through all of it because we've got a lot more to get to.
Christians are being massacred in Syria.
Churches are burned.
You know, it's funny.
I mean, how many Americans know that some of the oldest churches in the world, the oldest churches in the world, are in the Middle East?
I mean, but, you know, you would think, if you know anything about church history, well, of course.
Because the first church started in Jerusalem.
Christians are being massacred in Syria.
Churches burn it, spread out from there.
Priests executed, families wiped out, and the West is silent.
We're going to talk about that.
The West is silent.
Why are we not hearing anything about this?
Somebody says in a post we're going to cover in a second, you know, the silence at this point, I think we can say equates with approval.
The West is silent.
This is the greatest Christian persecution of our time.
The media won't tell you.
Let's expose the truth.
In December 2024, the U.S. backed the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad.
Again, this was something that was essentially on the wish list for...
We've been trying to do this since the Obama administration.
It led to a jihadi takeover of Syria.
The West called it liberation.
But for Christians, it was the start of a nightmare.
Thousands are being slaughtered.
I'm not going to play for you these videos because I know sometimes children watch this program.
There's a four-letter word here and there.
You know, when we cover the news, we don't bleep things unless it's just outrageous and I really want to cover it.
But I'm not going to be showing you these videos that are out there in their entirety.
Syria's new rulers rebranded an al-Qaeda faction led by Abu Muhammad al-Jalani.
Yes, the same terrorist who fought alongside ISIS is now Syria's interim president.
By the way, they're getting an invite to Brussels.
In the midst of all of this, the European Union is now inviting the leader of Syria and that coalition to Brussels to just, you know, to just welcome them into, I guess, the international community.
So under Assad, Christians had some protection.
Under HTS, they're being hunted down.
Reports now confirm that churches are being bombed, crosses ripped down, priests being executed, women being forced into Islamic dress, and entire communities are facing extermination.
In just two days, more than 1,000 people, including hundreds of Christians, were slaughtered in Syria's coastal cities.
This isn't war.
It's an orchestrated ethnic cleansing.
Where's the outrage?
When any other group faces persecution, the world screams for justice.
But when Christians are massacred, silence.
No United Nations meetings.
No mass protests.
No media outcry.
The question is why.
Now Trump, the Trump administration, to its credit, has at least acknowledged what's going on.
From Zero Hedge, Trump White House condemns radical Islamist terrorists currently attacking Syria's Alawites and Christians.
But again, I think there's a little bit of admission here.
It's our own foreign policy, our own foreign policies that enable this to happen.
And if anything, from a Christian life perspective, like if we think more Christians on the earth are good, Unless Christians on the earth are bad, Bashar al-Assad is certainly better for Christians in Syria.
That's an objective fact at this point.
So we got Marco Rubio.
The United States condemns the radical Islamist terrorists, including foreign jihadis that murdered people in western Syria in recent days.
The United States stands with Syria's religious and ethnic minorities, including its Christian Druze, Alawite, and Kurdish communities, and offers its condolences to the victims and their families.
Syria's interim authorities must hold the perpetrators of these massacres against Syria's minority communities accountable.
Yeah, but I think we need to acknowledge that the people in charge, they want this to happen.
At least that's my understanding.
Tucker Carlson says, As predictable as this is, it's still infuriating to see it.
For decades, Bashar al-Assad protected minority religious communities in Syria, including the country's large Christian population.
No one in the United States was allowed to notice this, and anyone who did was.
I don't know what the rest of it is.
Again, Twitter is down, so I'm not going to click on this X link, but what we can show you is we can show you this.
Back during her confirmation hearing, Tulsi Gabbard, who is not a Christian, by the way, even she was hip to what really is going on.
I shed no tears for the fall of the Assad regime, but today we have an Islamist extremist who is now in charge of Syria, as I said, who danced on the streets to celebrate the 9-11 attack, who ruled over Idlib with an Islamist extremist governance.
And who has already begun to persecute and kill and arrest religious minorities like Christians in Syria.
This is when they were trying to say that because she didn't want a war in Syria and maybe didn't think, but it was a black and white claim that Bashar al-Assad is evil incarnate.
Much more balanced, much more nuanced, much more gray approach.
And that's why R.N. McIntyre says no matter how bad Syria gets, no matter how many Christians are killed, the neocons pushing regime change and foreign interventions don't even tap the brakes.
not only have none of them apologized or admitted being wrong they continue to shamelessly push for the next war william wolf though reminds us as christians the center for baptist leadership had william wolf the world is at war because the prince of peace has not yet returned When he does, it will end.
Praying for my Christian brothers and sisters in Syria to hold on to this hope even as they face down death.
And then he quotes Isaiah, the Prince of Peace.
Why is all this happening?
So I'm going to tie this in, and this is just a speculation on my part, but I mentioned this at the top of the show.
Deep State attack.
Twitter X is down this Monday morning.
Jim Hoff, social media giant X, formerly known as Twitter, is down on Monday morning.
Why is this happening?
Is it because of Doge?
I mean, I think it's happening because of Elon Musk, but I also think it's because of, you know, videos of these Christians.
There's narratives getting out that have never gotten out before.
I think that's what it is.
I think that's part of it.
Also, we'll cover this article in a minute, maybe towards the end of the show.
Elon Musk hit the motherlode of deep state.
Now he believes he's an assassination target.
Something to keep in mind.
But here is just a clip of some of the carnage that's going on.
Let's see if we can't clip this out.
So that's one clip.
Yeah, again, X is down, so this is going to happen.
Matt Walsh, Christians are the most persecuted group in the world.
Their plight is almost entirely ignored by the corporate media.
The horrible atrocities in Syria are part of the long-standing pattern.
Pray for our persecuted brothers and sisters across the globe.
Absolutely.
Pray for them.
Jeff Younger.
Assad was fighting al-Qaeda.
The U.S. and Israel chose sides with al-Qaeda.
The genocidal outcome was predictable.
This was all predictable, and this is what people said, but for whatever reason, we're obsessed with regime change in the Middle East and have been my entire life.
It's just odd.
I'm 40 years old.
My entire life, this is the foreign policy of the United States.
It doesn't matter how many times it fails.
We just keep going on and on and on.
And the blip on the radar is Trump's first term, so I hope Trump sets things right in the second term and certainly doesn't get us drawn into more and more quagmires in the Middle East, more dead Americans in the Middle East.
No thanks.
Somebody named Alon Mazzari says, I have to admit my previous ignorance.
ignorance.
I had no idea what kind of monsters the Assad regime was fighting, armed, financed, and sent in by Turkey, Israel, and the Gulf states in the West to destroy Syria.
He says, for years, I thought it was at least partially a popular rebellion.
But what's unfolding in Syria in the last couple of days is close to complete exoneration of Assad.
Okay, so this is it.
I'm just going to describe this for you.
If I were to hit play on this video, this is a Christian or someone we believe to be a Christian.
I'm assuming because they're crucifying him that this is a Christian.
And this is a video that's been making the rounds.
And this is seconds before the man with a black hood puts the gun to the back of this man's head and pulls the trigger several times.
And by the end, he has no head.
And this is why, you know, this was really the video that was the catalyst when I was, you know, over the weekend, I was like, oh my gosh, we've got to talk about this.
Although this, I guess I saw this this morning, but I saw previous things over the weekend, but this was the one that solidified it this morning.
When I saw this, I just said, you know, I don't know what good talking about, you know, some of this is, these are the days when it's just like, okay, like what?
I'm just going to have the opportunity to do a show.
Somebody do a show.
We're going to talk about this.
I guess what we can do is pray.
I mean, that's the main thing we should do, right?
Because we know God is in charge, even in the midst of such barbarism and sadness and grief.
This is actually a good moment to ask, why doesn't this man recant?
I don't know.
Why do you think this man...
Got himself in this place.
I mean, you would imagine that before they nailed him to a cross, that there would have been a moment where he could have said, you know what, I deny Christ.
I renounce my faith.
Why didn't he do that?
it's honest question william wolf you need to understand I mean, It's an honest question.
I know the answer.
The answer is because he's a Christian.
He has a supernatural faith from heaven, from God, that calls him to be a witness to the truth.
And in the face of death, he said, I'm not going to lie.
I'm not going to not tell the truth.
Why do Christians do this?
Because of supernatural strength given to us by God that enables us to forfeit our own lives for the kingdom of God.
This has been the story of the Christian church forever.
You need to understand that the mainstream media is silent about Christian persecution, William Wolfe reminds us, not because they aren't aware, but because they approve.
Jack Posobiec, Syrian government, is dragging civilians out in the fields for execution.
There's that video.
Judge Saul, who's been a guest on this program, good man.
Reminds us that this is not just happening in Syria.
This is happening to Christians every day in Nigeria, as well as the mainstream media ignores it.
Donald Trump, do something.
Hey, links to this.
Nigerian Christian captives starved and tortured by Flulani terrorists.
This is from Truth Nigeria.
After three harrowing months in captivity, eight abductees emerged on Monday following payment of $40 million, $27,000, ransom to Fulani Ethnic Militia operating a hidden torture camp in Katya County.
The county is home to Table Hill Army Training Area and the Nigerian Army School of Artillery.
The heavily armed kidnappers had seized them December 2nd from their homes in Karu.
The 26 Pentecostal Christians were marched more than 30 miles over a four-day period until they came to be chained in a compound deep in the forest near the village of Rajana, approximately 28 miles south of Kaduna City.
Hostages who had been abducted.
Had been rescued by a joint team of military and intelligence forces.
This is going on every day in Nigeria.
Then you can look here.
I guess this is back to Syria.
This is them shooting the man in the field.
And then we can go to the Congo.
Let's go to the Congo.
Congo in crisis.
Christians massacred.
Women raped.
Children enslaved.
The Democrat Republic of Congo is one of the world's most dangerous places, especially for women and Christians.
Last month, ISIS-linked ADF terrorists beheaded 70 Christians in a church as they pushed to control eastern Congo.
Question again.
Why didn't the Christians stay home that day?
Why'd they go to church?
The threats of death weren't a surprise to them.
They know the status of the country.
They know Christians are being persecuted.
Why didn't they just stay home?
Why did they meet together to worship the Lord, knowing they could be killed?
Because they'd rather be obedient to God than to men.
We were talking about this last night in church, actually.
Similarly, you can find stories all through the Bible.
Obviously, Daniel 3, not going to bow to Nebuchadnezzar's idol, but we were specifically talking about Noah building the ark, how absolutely foolish it must have been.
Obviously, no rain yet, but just how the wisdom of God is folly to man.
It doesn't make any sense.
That is literally throughout all of church history.
When I say church, I mean the church.
The people of the church from Genesis to now.
That's always the story, isn't it?
A faith to build the ark or a faith to stand in the midst of other believers when you know your death is certain.
Sexual violence is rampant.
895 rapes reported in two weeks of February.
In October, M23 rebels overran Goma, leading to the mass rape of 150 female prisoners.
Many were burned alive after.
Armed groups now raid hospitals, kidnap patients, force hundreds of thousands to flee.
M23 rebels control most of Goma, displacing civilians as they battle government forces.
Meanwhile, a mystery disease has sprung up.
They've tested for Ebola.
It's negative.
But anyway, this is the stuff that is going on all across the country.
There we see.
We see a church.
We see a cross.
And they know where to go to kill the Christians, and that's what's happening all over the country, all over places like the Congo, Nigeria, and now Syria, the most recent.
Man, it is...
Something that I just didn't want to leave unsaid.
So pray for our fellow believers all across the world to continue to be emboldened, to not compromise, even in the face of death.
And for us here in America to redouble our efforts, to make sure that we don't support stuff like this.
We don't support foreign policies that lead to the mass slaughter of Christians.
And so be vocal about it.
Tell this administration to stop this nonsense.
Stop enabling war or enabling the regime changes and everything else.
It's unbelievable.
I think many of us in America are...
And I'm certainly one of these people, or have been for a long time, ignorant of the fact of how many Christian communities there still are in the Middle East.
Gaza getting leveled, and how many Christians were killed in that, because there are Christian churches.
Some of the oldest churches in the world were in Gaza, but they've been totally destroyed.
And so I want to have a mindset, a Christian foreign policy mindset.
That's what I would like to have from our government, and a government that legitimately, here at home and abroad, punishes the wicked and rewards good.
And I don't want anybody to die.
Hmm.
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All right, so there's this guy.
I don't know who he is, but I'm a sucker for...
Talking about nationalism and also talking about how atheists or humanists, where do they get their authority from?
Where do they get their moral backing from?
So here's a guy by the name of Sam Seder.
And Sam Seder recently, I found out, he sat down with 20 young Republicans.
Apparently thanks to something called Jubilee Media.
And so, R.N. McIntyre, why is this young woman better at answering this question than 90% of conservative pundits?
So let's take a listen to this.
I found this interesting.
This is about American culture.
American culture.
I guess then versus now.
And I want you to listen to what she says.
What's the problem with xenophobic nationalism?
Don't you think that's better for Americans in general?
To be xenophobic, nationalism is better.
We should have a coherent culture.
Everyone should be a part of the same culture.
We should have assimilation.
Do you get to choose what the culture is?
We already have a dominant culture.
What is the dominant culture?
Based on European and Christian values and identity.
That is the dominant culture.
It's rooted in European identity.
So your argument is that...
That has been the dominant culture.
Just to be clear.
And we're not letting people assimilate to that.
We're saying you should keep your culture, and this is why our culture is so divided.
My argument is that Trump is good for those who want a dominant white European culture.
I mean, that is what America is.
It's rooted in European identity and Christian values.
That's what it has been.
That's true.
Would you really disagree with that?
What is it, then, if that's not the identity of America?
Well, I think the identity of America...
For the majority of time, America's been a country.
You don't think that's been the identity?
Well, actually, no.
I think actually the identity of America has been, you know, for better or for worse, a melting pot in that regard.
Yeah, maybe since like the 1960s.
Even then, like even we had this idea of a melting pot literally means assimilation too.
It means melting.
It means you're assimilating to the dominant culture.
Is that not what melting means?
And now instead we're saying there's something wrong with xenophobia.
No.
I mean, look, I've got to be honest with you.
You and I have a fundamental disagreement.
We will never see eye to eye on this.
It's a choice.
And people, I think what you're expressing, though, is really what the Trump movement at its heart is about.
And I think that's problematic.
I mean, I disagree.
I don't think Trump's, like, anywhere close to being a Christian nationalist.
That's ridiculous.
Like, Trump's basically a Democrat from, like, 15 years ago when it comes to social issues.
So you don't think that he's conservative enough for you?
That's true.
Oh, definitely.
Nowhere close.
No.
He's not xenophobic enough for you.
No, he's trying to pour a bunch of H-1Bs.
Are you kidding?
Right.
Oh, so you want to get them out, too.
Yeah.
So this is fascinating.
I mean, there is this denial.
It's, you know, call it revisionist history or whatever.
I mean, what she is saying there, I mean, whether or not you want to embrace the label xenophobic nationalist or whatever, what she's saying there is accurate about...
This, what America was or is, and you could argue, you know, still is, even though we've been importing with an unsecure border, you know, like, you know, third world barbarian hordes that are making the country less safe to live in.
She's right.
Yeah, I mean, that was the identity of America, was European Christians.
What we were, and Stephen Wolf says this very well, it was meant to be, America was, it was a pan-Protestant nation.
There were different Protestant denominations that had solid footing in the colonies, especially after the American Revolution.
And that's what it was.
And it was assumed.
There are some...
Some people think that the fatal flaw in America was not having the Constitution explicitly recognize the lordship of Jesus Christ.
There were founders or framers that wanted that to happen.
I certainly wish that would have happened.
But they didn't want to have to...
Allegedly, it was going to take too much time.
It was one of those things also, I think, like, well, what do you mean?
That's kind of redundant.
And then you have clues as to why this was...
You have clues as to...
Obviously, the Christian undertones of the God.
I mean, we really shouldn't even have to explain it, but we've talked about it before, right?
Sundays don't count against a president when they've got to veto a bill.
There's a clock when Congress gives them a bill, a ticking clock counting down, and Sundays don't count.
Well, why not?
Because you're not supposed to work on a Sunday.
Because the Sabbath is considered to be Sunday, and that's explicitly a Christian idea.
Anyway, it's interesting.
R. McIntyre saying, why is this woman better at answering this question?
Think about the generation here.
This is a woman who's in college.
And this is the way the world is.
This is her description of the way the world is, or America was, or is.
Very encouraging that people are rejecting this nonsense.
Now, there was another encounter, as I said, I also...
I'm a sucker for apologetic.
Sam Seder sits down with another person from the, I guess, the college Republicans.
And, well, just watch.
I think you'll understand why I'm interested in this one.
Hey.
It's nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Okay, so I would like to touch on the religious fundamentalist aspect.
Are you an atheist?
I'm a Reformed Jew.
I don't, I, my...
I don't have a strong belief in the existence of God, but I don't think that religion in and of itself is bad.
Okay, so what's wrong with religious fundamentalists?
You said trans rights and women's rights or something like that?
Well, the problem I have with religious fundamentalists, and really more, I guess, it's really theocrats, is that they want to impose their morality that comes from their religion on the rest of us.
But morality, from your view, is going to be a preference, right?
It's not morality, it's a preference.
So, morality without a foundation is going to reduce you to a preference.
Well, I have a foundation for my morality.
Which is what?
It's a humanist vision of what basically creates...
It's a humanist vision.
So, theologically, it's a humanist vision of what creates...
Okay, well, theologically, we would say that you're worshipping yourself.
It's a humanist vision, which fundamentally is essentially...
Satanic compared to Christianity.
Little suffering is possible for as many people.
I'm sorry, I don't want to put more.
Okay, back up.
It's a humanist vision of what basically creates as little suffering as possible for as many people.
Okay, so you're like a consequentialist?
Utilitarian?
I don't really bother myself with being a consequentialist or a utilitarian.
It's always going to reduce you to a preference.
So if you say that killing is wrong and I say it's right, you would really have no contention with that.
Well, no, I don't base my understanding of civil society on religion.
And so we have a civil society.
We have laws that we have decided as a society in a democratic way.
And for some people, it's okay for it to be informed by their religion.
That's okay.
Okay, perfect.
So if tomorrow society comes together and we say, hey, trans folks don't deserve rights, you would be okay with that.
No, I would be against it, but I mean, it would be...
It would be morally right under your view.
Not morally right.
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about morals.
Okay, so here's where I'm getting to, right?
Religious foundations provide an ethical framework for one to live their life off of.
I believe you can have an ethical framework without religion.
And if we take the leftist view to its logical tail end, to its extreme view, you have low reproductive birth rates, you have a reproductive dead end, so two men together can't reproduce unless they have...
I have to take from a healthy straight couple.
Religion provides this foundation where you do prioritize the nuclear family.
So do you have a problem with gay people being married?
It's not that I have a problem.
I just don't see a justification for why they ought to be gay outside of it just feels good.
Can you give me another justification for it?
Well, I think maybe that's the way they were born.
Okay.
What about pedophiles?
Are they born that way?
They may be, yeah.
Okay.
So should we let a pedophile off the hook since they were born that way?
No, I think we as a society...
To implement duties, to prevent them from acting on that innate urge, correct?
Well, I think between consenting adults, it's a different thing than...
Okay, so you're okay with a 45-year-old dad with a 19-year-old daughter as well?
Incest.
No.
If they consent, you're okay with that?
No, I think society has also determined that it's not beneficial.
Right, there's duties and obligations that we have, so religion provides those duties.
Life isn't about freedom and exercising what you want.
I mean, well, you want to impose your religious doctrine on me, and I don't want that.
No, because you just admitted we need duties.
We have responsibility as a society to keep us functioning, to keep us thriving.
Your leftist view, the liberal view, doesn't provide anything besides it just makes me feel good.
Religion does.
So what's your argument?
He has no argument.
Literally, there was a commenter.
Let me see if it shows up here.
Somebody named Bob.
This is why liberalism itself is a religion and ultimately has no limitation for one's inner sin.
This is exactly right.
And it's so ironic or hypocritical or whatever.
As long as society...
Well, society's decided...
Well, society's decided things you agree with.
Society's decided to have an ever-increasing environment where you can sin all you like and do whatever feels good.
That's what this guy's saying.
Basically, there's no restraint for evil or wicked at all.
But if society were to go back...
Oh, now all of a sudden...
So his whole...
Everything he said...
Well, society's decided.
Well, society's decided.
Well, man...
He's essentially saying man has decided.
If he gets his way, it's so confusing.
It's circular logic, it's circular thinking, and it's difficult.
He's just a double-minded person.
This is an example of just a completely double-minded human being.
When, you know, you're arguing with somebody that's like, I don't want your theocracy.
I don't want your religion shoved down my throat.
But then you ask them, well, then why is murder wrong?
And they, well, society's decided, no, but before that, like, what's your foundation?
And they have no foundation.
They have no foundation.
And because they have no foundation...
There is no true restraint of wickedness.
Wickedness, evil, is just allowed to flourish and go forth.
And this is why you've got a young person like this thinking, and you've got that other lady, people are done with it.
The younger generation, they're showing massive signs.
Not only are they going to church, not only are younger men going to church and outpacing women now, which is a huge plus, people are done with libertarianism.
I guess that's what I would take from it.
What I would describe as libertarianism.
I mean, if I define libertarianism as just, you know, live and let live, well, okay.
Then there is, you know, we never ban anything.
When the reality is banning things is good sometimes.
I want a t-shirt.
Who wants a t-shirt?
Banning things is good sometimes.
Put a dot, dot, dot in there.
Anyway, yeah.
So that's something that caught my mind.
I'm a sucker for conversations like this, especially with essentially atheists.
I mean, the guy says he doesn't believe in God, right?
He's an atheist.
And yet, society will elevate people like this that don't believe in God and will...
We'll look down on people that do.
We'll look down on people that want to undergird our society with a morality that is grounded in the character of God we find in the Bible.
Okay, now, moving on.
We've got about 15 minutes.
So here we go.
This is another article that piqued my interest this morning.
Headline, for those of you listening, you can listen to the audio older version of this program, by the way, Apple or Spotify.
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Is Trump trying to push the U.S. into a recession?
One month ago, when we first realized just how much fat Elon Musk's doge was slashing from the government, money laundering apparatus, we made a controversial claim at the time, they write.
So much deep state laundered money was about to come out of the economy that the U.S. would enter a recession first in Washington, D.C., something which Michael Hartnett and others have since confirmed, and then across the U.S. Now, think about that for a second.
That's incredible to me.
But that's the reality.
I think this is an accurate report.
This is incredible, though.
This country is so corrupt.
We have been funneling so many corrupt endeavors, paying off so many corrupt people.
There's so many illegal schemes that have been going on that now that we're curbing them, now that we're shutting them down.
Marco Rubio today announcing that after the USAID audit, 83% of USAID is shut down, which is effectively ending the entire agency.
That doing that, doing that, getting rid of this is going to cause a recession because there are so many people and organizations and schemes and fraudsters and grifters who are addicted to this that our economy is going to suffer because so many people are going to be poorer because of it.
Organizations are going to be poorer.
And you know what else that means?
And this is kind of a different...
I just feel like some of these bleeding-heart liberals that are doing all of their activist work for principles.
Oh, the principles.
I just think we're going to find out they never had any principles at all, and they were all being paid.
I mean, there's a reason.
Like the Associated Press taking money from USAID. There's a reason now when I go read an AP article, I get prompted to donate to the Associated Press.
That's never happened to me before.
And I've been doing the news for over a decade.
I've never had the Associated Press ask me for money until about, I don't know, four weeks ago.
Three weeks ago.
What an incredible, what an incredible fact that D.C. and our country may be facing a recession because the grift funding was totally distorting our economy.
So they go on, we were surprised at how much pushback we got when they suggested this, especially from supporters of Trump.
Zero Hedge article goes on, but this wasn't meant to be a judgment call against the new administration, which had only been in power for a few weeks.
If anything, we had explained long ago, the only reason the U.S. economy hadn't collapsed into a recession long ago is because Biden's unprecedented debt issuance spree, which we first described in the summer of 2003. See, here's the $1 trillion stealth stimulus behind Bidenomics.
Is that supposed to say 2023 or, anyway, or 2003?
I think maybe 2023, and which had sent the U.S. debt soaring by $1 trillion every hundred days.
But now that particular debt party appears to be ending.
Understandably, defusing this debt time bomb is precisely what Elon Musk has undertaken, and the process of undoing all the catastrophic trends that culminated under the Biden administration would inevitably result in a recession, just as allowing the debt pile up to continue its record melt-up was the only thing that delayed just as allowing the debt pile up to continue its record melt-up was the Still, they write, our survey, or our
Our observation came at the time when the U.S. exceptionalism trade was still all the rage, if only for a few more days, and thus few were willing to accept it.
Then, little by little, sentiment turned.
And just a few weeks later, Wall Street was full of reports, such as this one from Mizuho's Dominic Constam, discovering what we had said weeks earlier, namely that the efforts of Doge would spark a new recession, first in the government namely that the efforts of Doge would spark a new recession, first in the So slowly but surely, Wall Street admitted we were right.
But what about the administration?
Would Trump be surprised to learn that Musk's austerity push plus the administration's tariff policies would lead to a recession?
We wondered, and then we...
started paying closer attention to what Trump and his closest lieutenants were actually saying.
First, there was Trump's Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, who correctly explained last week on Face the Nation how the media was misleading people that the economy was doing just great under Biden and how the mood suddenly changed when Trump came into power.
His point, of course, is that Trump has not been nowhere near long enough in power to slam the economy himself.
But days later, Besant also explained why the economy had been doing so great during Biden's last years.
He basically echoed what we said two years ago.
Here's the $1 trillion stealth stimulus behind Biden economics, which we explained that the only reason the U.S. economy hadn't collapsed is because the government was issuing $1 trillion in debt every 100 days, or as Besant put it, the market and the economy have become hooked, become addicted to excessive government spending.
And there's going to be a detox, period.
So get ready for all the stories about how bad this is going to be on the average American.
But I wonder, is it going to be even worse on the not average American?
Is it going to be worse for those who've been fleecing the taxpayer and enriching themselves for decades?
That also explains, the article goes on, that also explains why to avoid a technical recession, Trump's Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told Fox News the Trump administration was considering separating government spending from GDP reports.
In response to questions first posed here about whether the spending cuts pushed by Elon Musk's Doge could possibly cause an economic downturn.
Quote, you know that governments historically have messed with GDP, Lutnick told Fox News Channel Sunday Morning Futures.
They count government spending as part of GDP, so I'm going to separate those two and make it transparent.
Lutnik's remarks echoed Musk's argument on X that government spending doesn't create value for the economy.
A more accurate measure of GDP would exclude government spending, Musk wrote on X.
Otherwise, you can scale GDP artificially high by spending money on things that don't make people's lives better.
The whole economy is a sham.
Lutnik's take was a bit more nuanced, but leaned in the same direction, saying if the government buys a tank, that's GDP.
But paying 1,000 people to think about buying a tank is not GDP.
That is wasted, inefficiency, wasted money, and cutting that while it shows in GDP, we're going to get rid of that.
So, what we have here with the tariffs and getting rid of the corruption, assuming that's actually going to happen, and I think it is, you've got Donald Trump totally trying to Totally change our government, our financial system, everything.
I mean, literally, it's a revolution.
It is a financial revolution, what Donald Trump is trying to do here.
And in the meantime of that, we have the recession fears.
You also have Lutnik saying that...
Donald Trump wants to shut down the IRS. You've got reports saying they're going to pause the IRS. You've got people, and then you've got, and then people are like, well, I mean, we're going to file our taxes here in like, you know, 35 days.
What are we going to do?
I don't know.
I mean, look, I saw Ann Vandersteel tweet this.
With as much money as they've been printing, why do any of us owe taxes at all?
They've been printing money.
Why do we owe them money?
When they can just print it, they can literally create it out of thin air.
It's nuts.
And to look at the USAID fraud and corruption, it's absolutely insane that they expect us to pay these taxes that break the average American, but it's nothing.
I mean, it's literally nothing.
It's like pennies in a well to the federal government and the behemoth that it has become.
And then you've got the Doge checks.
Potentially you've got Doge...
Checks that are going to go to every American or every taxpaying American.
I don't know, man.
Things are wild right now.
And we're going to see what happens.
But I also think we have this.
So I got this off of Truth Social because Truth Social is an app that's actually working right now.
Justin, Elon Musk says there is a massive cyberattack against X, which is why it's been down basically all day for me, most of the morning.
Massive cyberattack against X, and I think we know why.
I think it's this story right here.
I think this is the main reason.
Elon Musk hit the mother load of the deep state.
Now he believes he's an assassination target.
We'll cover this hopefully more tomorrow if we can, because we are running out of time.
But essentially, Elon Musk and his Doge team have now mined so deeply into the inner workings of government overspending and fraud that they may have hit the mother load of public corruption.
And he and his friends believe someone will try to kill him.
Again, right now, X is under a massive cyberattack.
Fort Knox may be full of fool's gold, for all we know.
USAID looks to be the mother's milk of the international Marxist movement.
And now Musk and his Doge organization have hit the main vein, election manipulation.
As PJ Media colleagues Brian Young and Matt Margolis write nearby, the executive suite at ActBlue, the Democrat fundraising colossus, has nearly emptied.
Many have done a...
Many have done a bunk to escape what Doge illegally uncovered.
What are they afraid of?
Wild stuff going on right now.
Absolutely wild stuff.
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That's all the time that we have for this edition of the Millstone Report.
And I want to remind everybody out there, I didn't mean to be super depressing because Jesus is Lord.
I'm talking about the beginning of the show.
I'm talking about the persecuting Christians.
But just pray for them.
Pray for the persecuted Christians.
Pray for the Christians in Syria that are being slaughtered.
Pray for the ones in the Congo.
And yeah, just continue to pray for them.
And also continue to count the cost.
Continue to understand, like, why?
Why do the Christians in the Congo not stay home?
Why did they go to church knowing they could be massacred?
Something else is at play here.
And it's obviously supernatural boldness that Christians get when they're under persecution.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, as far as I'm concerned, is an encouraging thought.
That's all the time that we have.
God bless everybody out there.
Unless I'm providentially hindered, I'll see you tomorrow.
God bless.
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