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Feb. 24, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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TRUMP EXPOSED TO TOXIC DIOXIN
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Were they wearing a hazmat suit?
Nope.
Did they have any personal protective gear on?
Nope.
Do they know something we don't know?
Or have they just exposed themselves to a shorter lifespan and severe chronic illness over the next few years?
This is the Dr.
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Hey guys, we spent the entire day in East Palestine, Ohio.
I think the government is lying to you.
You've obviously seen these videos of the water in East Palestine, but what those videos don't confer is the air quality as well in East Palestine.
The air quality is noxious when you get there.
It essentially burns your skin when you're breathing the air.
I'm sort of walking around here at the airport just to sort of get some air circulation.
It like burns your skin, breathing the air.
It like hurts your mouth.
And it, you know, it like sets sort of like fire.
It's like very light pepper spray, essentially.
And maybe some of the people get, you know, acclimated to it who are living there.
But when you come there straight from somewhere else, which I did today, you really get hit with it.
It's like a wave and it's really bad.
And so, you know, obviously the water is Like, atrocious, horrendously unsafe.
And people are there having to sit there and drink it, shower with it.
What else to get a shower with when you're there?
And everyone's back in their homes.
And those are those people that we went and talked with today.
Nobody's helping them.
FEMA just shut down their request to help them.
And so, like, no one's helping these people.
And so we're going to cover that.
And Joe Biden hasn't visited, Buttigieg hasn't visited.
Just today, two weeks after the accident, they had finally the EPA administrator, whoever the hell that is, come and visit, along with Sherrod Brown and J.D. Vance, who are the senators from the state, and neither of them would drink the water.
So it was absolutely wild to see.
Not a place that people should be living right now, in my personal opinion, having been there for just a few hours.
It's bad.
Very bad.
Wow.
We're at the end of another incredible week.
I'm glad you're joining me tonight.
Well, you just saw TPUSA journalist Benny Johnson, who was among a number of people, high-profile people, that traveled to East Palestine, Ohio after the incredible toxic burn.
And he had no reservations about talking to people on the ground, mixing around, breathing in the air, and he ended up When he was at the airport doing that video with itching, rashes, irritation in his eyes, difficulty breathing, It's unbelievable.
I'm just blown away, to be honest with you.
And so was Dr.
Pete Chambers a few days ago when we spoke and he was on the Dr.
Jane Ruby show.
We were both surprised at the thought that public officials or anyone would just casually be roaming around the East Palestine, Ohio area after the derailment and subsequent What we now believe is government-directed uncontrolled explosion and burning of vinyl chloride from some train-filled cars.
So what is the result of burning of vinyl chloride?
We know that that chemical was in some of those cars that were burned up.
Well, it turns out that it's a very well-known toxin, the burn byproduct, called dioxin.
Now, you also had President Trump just a day or two ago flying out there and dropping in without any protective covering, along with his son and some of his entourage.
You also saw Ohio Senator J.D. Vance prance around in what appeared to be a contaminated creek, digging around with his stick.
Unbelievable.
Unprotected.
You also had Rudy Giuliani who flew in and chatted up the East Palestine mayor.
And I'm sure the mayor has been all through the area and very much exposed to whatever's in the air and the surfaces.
It's unbelievable to me.
What do they know that we don't know?
Right?
Are they stupid?
Nobody said to them, hey, Mr.
President, hey, Mr.
Mayor, Mr.
Giuliani, you know, maybe you better be careful.
Maybe you better not go right into the town.
Maybe, you know, you want to wear some protective gear.
I don't understand.
Who among us, in their right mind, would trust the government or any part of it right now?
There are rumors that the government, along with the railroad company, did conduct Some air, soil and water testing.
But where's the data?
Where's the public report?
Then you had, very disturbing to me, there was a chemical engineer Actually, a couple of them that appeared in social media over the last few days and said, hey, I want to set the record straight because what you saw outside, the blowing up of those cars, was not a controlled burn, which is what government officials said.
Governor DeWine, we consulted with DOD and we did a controlled burn.
Yeah, you just blew it up in the middle of the air and you sent this giant plume up covering miles?
How stupid do they think we are?
Apparently pretty stupid, right?
Because this chemical engineer, one of them, was indicating that a controlled combustion would have involved sequestering the cars, sealing them, and then transporting them in a particular procedure To an enclosed place.
I don't know how they built some kind of a hangar, I don't know, chamber, warehouse that's for that purpose, sealed.
And then you conduct a burn.
But you control the amount of oxygen and other gases.
You mitigate.
Nobody did that.
That's a controlled burn.
They know we're going to find out.
It's ridiculous.
Take a look at this picture of former Ukraine President Yushchenko after he was allegedly poisoned with dioxin.
Now, what you see here is on the left-hand side of his face is the before.
Somebody's put together a montage of his face before and after the alleged poisoning and what his skin looked like afterwards.
After he was exposed.
So medical experts actually concluded that he was poisoned with dioxin based on his presentation of symptoms and the way his skin reacted.
So the first major thing you see is something called chloracne.
Sounds like chlorine, carbon-induced acne.
A total breakout of the skin with thickening, like out-of-control acne.
These scales in the armpits, these pus-filled scales in the armpits, the elbows, the knees, and the groin.
And gross changes in skin color and inflamed fat and oil-producing glands in the skin, showing sebaceous cysts.
We don't see that here on his face.
I'm saying these are what are in the sort of, you know, You know, corners, elbows of the body where there are a lot of oil glands.
Lots of eye infections, people report.
Over the long haul, they will develop, depending on the degree of exposure and the length of exposure, heart disease, liver damage, and nerve damage.
Take a look at this picture of a garage.
In an everyday home, after years of accumulation, this is a post-fire photograph.
The whole garage burned up.
All kinds of plastics, chemical structures, solvents, PVC pipes, Look at the afterburn and imagine all of the toxins that were released into the immediate environment.
It's unbelievable.
It's pretty serious.
And one quick look here at a dioxin molecule.
Take a look at the molecule.
This is a very common version.
of dioxin.
And this is known as tetrachlorobenzodioxin.
It has, for those of you who are chemistry geeks a little bit like me, it has four chlorine molecules, four hydrogen molecules, twelve carbon molecules.
This thing is tough and it's difficult to break apart.
But you're going to hear in this two-part interview series tonight with health ranger Mike Adams You're going to learn what this compound really is, how well it's actually known, and how we are all probably somewhat already toxified from it, from living in an industrial era, an industrialized country.
We'll also end up with some of Mike's great expertise and some simple tips, not sales products, but great advice on using natural plants and teas, things like that, to detox this out of your system.
When I return, we'll learn more about what these leaders May have just encountered.
And if you're involved in any of that, how you can do some things to protect yourself and your health.
I'll be right back.
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Well, health ranger Mike Adams is known and admired across the world.
And he's been watching the situation in Ohio and all over the country.
The derailed chemical train cars and the DOD directed detonation.
And he always looks at the situation from many angles.
He's also calling for evacuation from some areas.
And I wanted to get his take on everything he's seeing and evaluating.
And Mike joins me now.
Mike, it's so good to be with you again.
How are you?
Hello, Dr.
Jane Ruby.
It's always an honor to join you.
Thanks for having me on.
My pleasure.
My honor, for sure.
So let's start out with the Ohio situation.
I know that some other friends and colleagues contacted you.
I was working with Dr.
Pete Chambers last week.
He said he was going to catch up with you.
But what kinds of things are you looking at?
And then take us to your recommendations and how you got there.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm in touch with Doc Chambers as well.
He's a great guy.
In fact, he's bringing me back a sample from that area.
But what people need to understand is, so I've spent...
Over a decade as a food scientist studying contamination of food and soil and water and, you know, focus on things like glyphosate as well as heavy metals, aflatoxins and pesticides.
Dioxins were not on my radar until this train wreck because there haven't been a large dioxin contamination events in the United States.
You know, for decades, really.
I mean, nothing on this scale has actually ever happened.
And almost everyone is missing the dioxin angle on this.
So we've all got to get up to speed on what are dioxins, because I'm here to tell you, Jane, dioxins are many orders of magnitude more toxic than glyphosate or heavy metals or even, by the way, VX nerve gas.
Dioxins are the most toxic chemical that's ever been synthesized by mankind.
And yes?
Yeah, I was going to say, let's back up just a tad for the audience.
Glyphosate, you know this, Mike, but I want to make sure everybody else knows that glyphosate is Roundup, right?
And it's used just ubiquitously throughout the environment, and it's a big, big concern.
So when you say something, you know, causes lots of cancers, when you say something like dioxin is much more toxic, that really gets the red flag up.
So I just wanted people to understand that.
And why are people focusing on the vinyl chloride and not the dioxin?
And tell us how that all relates.
Well, because the dioxins were not in the trains.
They were created when the vinyl chloride was ignited.
So they created the dioxins by setting fire to the vinyl chloride.
And I've got a document from the EPA. Here, I'll send you a link.
It's archive.epa.gov that openly admits all of this, that when you set fire to chlorinated compounds, you produce dioxins, which, again, are by far the most toxic class of chemicals known to mankind.
Now, glyphosate, you know, I've tested, for example, I've tested all kinds of beers for glyphosate.
And I published that a few years ago.
And I found like low single parts per billion of glyphosate in some of the beers.
And I said, you know, that's probably not a huge deal.
You know, you're getting 5 parts per billion or 10 parts per billion in a beer.
Unless you're drinking a swimming pool full of beer, like college days or whatever, then it's not a concern.
Because glyphosate is relatively easy to break down.
I'm not saying it's a safe chemical at all.
It causes cancer, it goes through the skin.
There are a lot of lawsuits about glyphosate and it's toxic when you consume it repeatedly in the food supply.
But dioxins, which again are created by the combustion of these chlorinated compounds, these are toxic at essentially a million times smaller concentrations.
I see.
So we're talking about one quadrillionth of a gram of a dioxin.
One quadrillionth of a gram.
I mean, you can't even imagine how small that is.
One millionth of a billionth of a gram is enough to start to interfere with your normal physiological function.
And there is no safe dose.
Not one molecule of this is safe.
And this molecule, dioxins, they last essentially forever.
They're almost impossible to destroy.
They don't break down.
Even microbes in the soil don't break them down, not that I've seen, because they have chlorine.
Well, here, I'm going to send you this too.
You can show this, but they have chlorine atoms on the four corners of this, and you can put this up, but the chlorine atoms create kind of an armor.
And, you know, chlorinated compounds are very, very difficult to break down or to alter in chemistry.
And that's why they're used for, for example, water repellent chemicals on clothing.
What causes the water to repel it?
It's the chlorine.
And same thing, nonstick cookware, things like that.
So once these are created, they persist in the environment for centuries.
And this is why they had to close down the entire town of, I think, Times Beach, Missouri.
They had to raise the town.
I mean, they had to tear down every building.
They bought everybody out.
Everybody had to move out because they sprayed dioxins on the dirt roads back in the 1970s, I believe.
And what they've done now is far worse than that.
They've unleashed these dioxins over thousands of square miles, and they've contaminated tens of thousands of farms.
Is there...
Well, first of all, there was a communication I had from a professor at Steubenville, it's Franciscan Steubenville University in Ohio, and he was just making some points on a group thread that we were all on, and he was making mention on...
I may be connecting the wrong two things, but he was making mention of the fact that chlorine with sunlight kind of dissipates.
I know we're not talking about pure chlorine.
He said that's why when you have a swimming pool, you know, you have to add a lot more chlorine after, you know, there's been a couple of sunny days, and so...
How does that relate?
And is there anything that can neutralize?
Like I know you say nothing in nature could break down dioxin, but can it be neutralized with something intentionally?
It can be eliminated from your body using certain nutrients.
So that's key to understand.
And there's a lot of research on that over the years, how to get dioxins out of the bodies of mothers who are breastfeeding, for example.
But no, sunlight does not destroy chlorine atoms.
Sunlight does not destroy any atomic element.
When he's talking about chlorine in your pool...
All it's doing is moving from the water to the air.
So it's a volatile compound.
And if you heat it, it will evaporate more, but it still exists.
It's just in the air.
And of course, that's different from a dioxin.
Chlorine in your pool has very low toxicity compared to dioxins.
But no, sunlight does not break down dioxins at all.
Is there any commercial use or anything?
Use it all for dioxins?
Or is it just an inadvertent, very dangerous byproduct of combusting vinyl chloride?
There's no use for it whatsoever.
It is accidentally produced in industrial processes.
So when industry is making PVC, for example, they are accidentally producing dioxins and they wish they weren't producing them.
It's just part of the byproduct of high heat with chlorinated compounds.
You're going to get dioxins.
Now, by the way, if they had taken this train wreck and if they had incinerated the material, the product material of vinyl chloride monomer, And PVC, if they had incinerated them in a proper hazardous waste incineration facility, It would have been enclosed for most of the combustion at extremely high temperatures, such as over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
And then the only byproducts coming out of that would be, for example, carbon and hydrogen and chlorine, but not configured as this toxic molecule.
If you rip apart these elements, it's no longer toxic.
But configured like this, it's the most deadly molecule on the planet.
And it's produced in every industrial process that heats chlorinated compounds.
In fact, the EPA warns that the number one source of dioxins is people doing backyard trash burning.
Or house fires.
So if your house catches on fire, you've got all this plumbing, and you've got clothing and textiles, and you've got maybe vinyl flooring or all kinds of things, chlorinated compounds in your home, that all catches on fire, and then that goes into the air, falls on the farms, and it's then taken up by the animals that are eating the grass, and because this is called a persistent bioaccumulative toxin, PBT, the EPA even refers to it as such, It concentrates in the fat cells of animals.
And so it ends up in the meat, the milk, the cheese, and the eggs.
And it ends up in people, therefore, because we're at the top of the food chain.
And that's why it's in breast milk.
I mean, it's in everybody's body.
I mean, all of us are exposed to this.
And firefighters are getting cancer around the neck like crazy because the dioxins from the fire goes underneath the fire hood equipment.
And it's not an airtight suit, by the way.
Otherwise, they would practically suffocate.
So firefighters know this, they're getting a lot of neck cancers because of that.
Wow, that is incredibly fascinating.
When you talk about nutrients to protect the body, to either remove it, you're not going to change it, but you can get it out of yourself.
Right.
I'm thinking of a baby that's got such a small surface area that everything they get is a hundred times or thousands of times more than we get.
So it would be important to pull that off.
What are some of the nutrients and how do they work to do that?
Okay, so I'm going to quote some PubMed headlines for you here.
And there is a pathway that's very important in this.
It's called the aryl hydrocarbon receptor pathway, AH pathway, or AH1 as it's sometimes called.
Seaweed, for example, is one of those that's been studied to accelerate the excretion of dioxin.
Chlorella, a well-known microalgae superfood, accelerates dioxin excretion in rats.
Chlorella supplementation decreases dioxin and increases immunoglobulin A concentrations in breast milk.
So that's for breastfeeding mothers.
In addition, pigments in green tea leaves.
So catechins.
Black tea, theoflavones also suppress dioxin-induced transformation of the aryl hydrocarbon receptor.
Green vegetables halt the absorption of dioxins in the digestive tract.
So if you go through this list, and there are more, you end up seeing that it's all the things that you and I probably normally recommend.
You know, it's kale, it's cruciferous vegetables, it's the sulforaphane in broccoli, it's superfoods, high-potency nutrition.
It will help your body eliminate these things naturally.
But for people who are living on junk food and processed food, they have none of this protection.
So what you actually have in East Palestine is, I think, a perfect storm of sort of processed food feeding Americans combined with this toxic exposure.
And because of both of those factors, they can't get rid of it.
Their bodies hold on to it, and I'm talking for decades.
So one exposure to a woman who later on gets pregnant, if she's pregnant 20 years later, she can have deformities in her child because of that one exposure two decades earlier.
Wow, and no way to trace it.
No way to really tie it back to some accountability, some company maybe that didn't dispose of something properly, or this incident, right?
This incident in Ohio, which has very suspicious...
Well, it's not as if they're even trying to look for it.
They're not even conducting any testing of dioxins at the moment.
There are demands for them to do that, you know, because people like myself and others were putting a lot of public pressure on them.
But so far, even the water companies there, the municipal water companies like in Cincinnati, they say, oh, all our tests are good.
And what did you test for?
Did it include dioxins?
No.
They're not testing for dioxins, so of course they're not going to see anything.
The other problem in this, Jane, is that there's a background level of contamination of dioxins that are everywhere.
Because we live in this modern age of, you know, industry and incineration and backyard fires and what have you.
And so there are probably, you know, parts per trillion concentrations or maybe parts per quadrillion, depending on the area, in all the soil, all the rivers, all the streams.
And that also explains one of the reasons why our culture is so violent, because these cause violent behavior.
It's one of the reasons why we have such high infertility and a lack of sperm mobility, by the way.
This is one of the reasons because these are hormone disruptors.
So this will destroy the human species, by the way.
If we don't get this out, think about it.
It takes, I mean, even 500 or 1,000 years is not gone, but we're adding to it every day by more combustion, more industrial production.
It will build up and build up and build up until we are extinct if we don't stop this.
That's how bad dioxins are.
Is it really more specific or concentrated, do you think, in the U.S. than the rest of the world?
Because I've heard people say recently, well, you know, in Europe, they don't use as many additives, and so you're much healthier.
There was some commentary about that recently.
What's your perspective on that?
Everywhere that you have the history of industry, you will have this beginning easily in the 1940s and 50s.
So think about post-World War II industry.
So I guarantee London and most of Great Britain, but especially around London and the big cities of Britain, they're heavily contaminated with dioxins.
No question about it.
Germany, dioxins.
Certain parts of France, the United States, especially the Northeast, because the history of industry in America is the Northeast.
So you look at Ohio, New Jersey, New York, also Detroit, Chicago.
These are the states, if you actually look up the data on this, that's where they've had the most dioxin accidents.
What was it called?
Love Canal, I think, in New York a few years back that had a massive dioxin spill incident, which was tiny compared to what just happened in Ohio.
So there is...
There's a layer of pollution, okay?
After humanity disappears from this planet, and if there are future archaeologists digging through the layers of sediment, there will be a layer called the dioxin trash layer.
That's the layer we're living in right now, and then everything will die.
I mean, humans and a lot of animals.
I mean, we're living in a mass extinction event right now.
And then those future archaeologists will say, wow, look, they killed themselves.
They're a suicidal species.
And then after that, all industry shut down, and then there were no more dioxins released.
So it's not hard to see that.
And I don't mean to laugh about it, Mike, but what makes me chuckle is that people are still going about their business.
I mean, we're going to Johnny's soccer game and taking the boat out this weekend.
The majority of the world is oblivious.
Oblivious.
Yeah.
We're living among an oblivious suicide cult.
Yeah, and they don't even know it.
They don't even know it.
And then there's the mass genocide operation that's being conducted apparently by the DOD and all that we could get into.
Yes.
And is there any way to measure, you know, you're talking about a large surface area.
In this town of East Palestine, and obviously now where this plume has carried it, you know, the last couple of minutes before we take a quick break, what are your thoughts on, we can't depend on the government.
So, you know, I talked to Pete Chambers about this.
You're going to have to have teams like his and maybe some others that you're working with, whatever, because I know you're not up there.
But to get a wide enough sampling and, you know, to know where we even are, because you can't trust the government to do that.
Right.
So first of all, we have to do independent laboratory testing.
So we just issued a purchase order for a gas chromatography interface for our lab's triple quad mass spec instrument.
Within about 90 days, we'll be able to run lab tests for dioxins.
And fortunately, we already had the mass spec instrument that does that because, I mean, it's crazy expensive and takes a long time to learn how to use it.
But we're already up to speed on that, so we're just buying this interface.
Once we have that in place, we'll be working with people like Doc Chambers to get samples and to conduct tests.
We want to reach out to Amish farms in particular and test their soils and test their food and test cow's milk and cheese.
So that where there is not contamination, we can help those people be able to state that our products are clean, that our farms are not contaminated.
But where there is contamination, we also want to help those victims of that contamination be able to file suit against the railroad and perhaps anybody else who was involved with the government of Ohio, because they are victims of a mass contamination terrorism event, you could call it, or ecological catastrophe. because they are victims of a mass contamination terrorism event, And they should be part of a class action lawsuit in order to be compensated for the damage they've been caused.
So we're going to help out in every way we can.
Yeah, absolutely.
In the second part of the interview, I want to talk to you about the political implications, Governor DeWine's comments and activity, actions and lack of actions and all that.
And we've been the benefit, by the way, of your mass spectrometry, if I said it correctly, with the white fibrous clots, because you are the only one that I know of to this day that has done any kind of comprehensive analysis on that.
Maybe we can kind of revisit that for a minute in the next half.
Sure thing.
Okay, well, Mike, stay with us for a moment, and when we come back, we'll talk to Mike about some of the political implications and a couple of other fun topics that I've got for him.
Okay, be right back.
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I love spending time with Mike and talking to him about these issues because he's so knowledgeable.
There isn't a time, Mike, that we speak that I don't learn something.
So I'm really grateful.
Oh, same here too.
Yeah, love joining you.
Thank you so much.
So I wanted to hit on the political implications of what we just saw in Ohio.
And it's not Ohio because even in the several days, we didn't start talking about this until it was like 10 days later.
But even in the last several days, there have been other train derailments.
And explosions spontaneously of plants.
Let's get into what your thoughts are.
I'm sure you've given a lot of thoughts to this and I've seen your social media.
What's your take on what's going on here?
So our politicians, and this is no surprise, you know this as well, the politicians running our country are completely illiterate when it comes to everything that matters, nutrition, chemistry, physics, science, history, geography, all of it.
They don't understand anything about what they just did.
They just set off in Ohio, by igniting that vinyl chloride, they just set off the largest ecological catastrophe in the history of this country.
And once the truth comes out, and the babies start being born without limbs, by the way, okay, because that's coming, within a year, you're going to have massive deformities of children that are born, and you're already going to, you're going to have a lot of spontaneous abortions, infertility, cancers through the roof, combined with mRNA, mRNA acceleration of cancers.
Think about that.
Right.
If the truth comes out about this, they will have to condemn the entire town.
They will have to condemn who knows how many farms.
They'll have to scrape off the top few inches of soil from all of those farms and either find some distant land to bury it in or run incineration trains to incinerate all that topsoil and all the building materials, all the roofs and the cars and everything that's contaminated.
And by the way, President Trump...
Is visiting East Palestine, I think, even as we are speaking.
And I was even asked to go there to help brief him on this.
And I said, no, there's no way I'm setting foot in that town.
And President Trump should not go there unless he's wearing a biohazard suit, frankly.
Which he wouldn't do because it would look silly politically.
But see, that's the problem.
The politics are not in line with the science.
And sad to say this about President Trump, but he didn't understand mRNA.
He went all in with Pfizer, and now he doesn't understand dioxins.
President Trump is going to be exposed to dioxins in East Palestine.
Maybe he didn't take the jab, because I think he actually is smart about that.
He probably didn't take it, but he's not going to be able to reject the dioxins.
He's going to be contaminated like everybody in that town.
Exactly.
And how about J.D. Vance standing in a creek in his shirt, you know, pants and tie with a stick?
You know, did anybody advise him about this?
I mean, and this goes to your calling for evacuations.
You know, talk about that as well.
Dioxins are not fast-acting poisons.
Okay.
So even though this is a Chernobyl type of event, radiation poisoning would be evident typically within a matter of hours depending on the dose.
Dioxin poisoning will not be evident within days or even weeks.
But over years, it interferes with almost every system in the human body, cardiovascular, neurological, reproductive, you name it, hormonal, because dioxins interfere with the hormone system.
They are hormone disruptors.
And so that also interferes with blood sugar, metabolism, digestion, everything else.
The deaths that will come from this will be witnessed over the next couple of decades.
So J.D. Vance, I love what he's doing in many ways.
I wish him well.
I'm sorry to say I will outlive him because of what he just did.
He just committed dioxin suicide.
Wow, that's pretty powerful, Mike.
Well, and you can quote me on that.
He just committed dioxin suicide.
He doesn't know what he's doing, and he needs to learn chemistry before he goes out and exposes himself to this deadly toxic poison.
He just took potentially decades off his life by doing that, and he has no idea what he did.
And if he believes the EPA, he's a fool.
Well, of course.
So when you were calling for an evacuation, you meant like the East Palestine immediate area or what was your recommendation?
Did you specify?
No, everywhere that was underneath the cloud.
So any area underneath that cloud will experience some level of dioxin fallout because the dioxins, they combine with the particulate matter in smoke.
So when you saw that massive smoke cloud rising and you saw that smoke plume spreading over a very large area, you were seeing the smoke representation of dioxin particles that are part of that.
And so the fallout, I mean, that's why the fish were dying.
That's why the animals were dying.
That's why some people were coughing up blood.
This is why if they start dioxin testing, it's going to be off the charts.
This is going to be the worst contamination event, again, in the history of North America.
Just like in Chernobyl, the Soviet Union said everything's fine.
Go back to your homes.
There's nothing to worry about.
And when people started getting sick, you know what the Soviet Union said they were sick from?
They were sick, they said, from the fear of radiation that was being falsely promoted by the media, not the radiation itself.
Doesn't that sound familiar?
Because that's what the media is saying right now.
Oh, stop spreading fear about dioxins and chemicals.
That's what's causing people stress is the fear, not the chemical.
Give me a break.
The science illiteracy that exists in the political class is going to get a lot of them suicided like we're seeing right now.
Well, this is the main reason I wanted to have you on to talk about this because there's a lot of misinformation.
There's a lot of extra information flying around.
People don't want to leave their properties.
They don't know how far out to evacuate.
The government that we just learned over the last two years is not helping us and part of it is killing us intentionally.
Said to, you know, relax, go back.
And of course, they base that on no testing at all.
So I think you were wise not to go up there.
And I think Dr.
Pete was wise not to go right into the ground zero.
He was like maybe half a state away.
He's medically trained.
He probably put on latex gloves and so on.
He's careful.
But most people are not careful.
J.D. Vance is obviously not careful at all.
You know, look, I wish him well, but you should know.
See, again, we're talking about You know, femtograms of exposure of this have a physiological effect.
That's a millionth of a billionth of a gram.
Again, this is so much more toxic than glyphosate or lead or even VX nerve gas.
A chemical weapon from World War I acts quickly, but it's not nearly as toxic in terms of its concentration as dioxins, which act slowly.
So for a while, everybody can parade around.
They can swim in the waterfalls and the rivers and act like they're fine, you know, until they're dead.
So that's where this is going, sadly.
I'm sad to say.
Your opinion on, you know, they had these models of the plume, right?
Kind of like this leaf shape over a little bit of, you know, Canada.
Because we're talking about the Great Lakes above Ohio.
When you say anything underneath the...
Are you talking about like that immediate dark cloud?
Because...
As it travels, it's also dissipating.
And I know this is highly toxic, but I'm concerned for people who are in, say, for example, neighboring states.
I'm not saying anybody is safe.
This is in the world, like you said.
But underneath the plume, but as that plume dissipated, what are your thoughts and expertise on how...
Yeah, you will get dilution via wind and other means the farther you are from the epicenter of this.
And this is why dioxin testing needs to be urgently done, but it's not being done.
The EPA refuses to do it.
And it's done in water and soil primarily?
Is that what we need?
And surfaces.
You have to take samples of the cars, the car roofs, the roofs of the buildings, the playgrounds, the sidewalks, the porches of people's homes.
There's dioxin contamination in all of these areas, and you need to understand the concentrations.
So just as you said, you're accurate, Jane, that it will disperse over distance.
But until we know the level of exposure, How does anybody have an action plan of what to do?
How far should the evacuation zone be?
I'm saying as a precautionary principle, everybody in the town of East Palestine should be evacuated until we do the dioxin testing, which could be done relatively quickly if anybody wanted to do it.
But you know this more than anybody, Jane.
We have a genocidal government that's trying to kill us with vaccines and food industry sabotage, shutting down the energy infrastructure, and many other things.
I mean, it is a genocidal regime.
Their goal is mass death.
So, of course, they're not testing for something that's going to kill a lot of people.
They don't want you to know.
And people don't think, well, why isn't the government doing a thing?
And why are they telling us it's okay based on nothing?
And those are the kinds of critical thinking and discernment That people still have not learned even after everything the government and this whole thing has put us through in the last two years.
It's really startling to me.
Well, you know, if this had happened under Trump, I assure you, the media would have blown this up and called it the biggest ecological catastrophe in the history of our country.
But because it happened under Biden, they're covering for Biden.
It's all political.
Now, they are willing to sacrifice potentially the lives of tens of thousands of people or more, maybe even to harm millions of people.
Because think about the long-term food effects of this.
Ohio is a major food exporter of soy and corn and dairy and pork, by the way.
Those are top four things coming out of Ohio.
Americans all over the country are going to eat those things.
How much of that's going to be contaminated with dioxins?
That's right.
And that's why people need to care.
Well, I'm not in Ohio or I'm not living there.
I live in Montana.
Well, you better care because you're going to get food from this bread basket.
And we're not even going to know.
Right, Mike?
I mean, how can we protect ourselves from it except for to eat locally what we create, what we grow and things like that?
Otherwise, it's going to everybody.
Well, and there's already some level in everybody right now, but we're talking about could this be a thousand times higher in the food from that region, you see, or a hundred thousand times higher.
That's what we're talking about.
Orders of magnitude of exposure that can have extremely toxic effects in the human body.
You know, everything that I'm saying today was known and documented by the government in the 1970s.
It's just that the government has become the terrorists now today in 2023.
Let me put out a challenge on your show, Dr.
Ruby.
I know we're almost out of time.
But the challenge is, to anybody who wants to say that I'm wrong about this, go do dioxin testing of 250 samples around that area.
Water, soil, playgrounds, porches.
Hmm.
Go do 200 plus samples.
Get them dioxin tested.
If you find no dioxins or just whatever level would be in any other state, then fine.
Okay.
Then...
Then I would be wrong about that.
Right, we'll have a different discussion.
Right, but if you're not willing to do the testing, then shut the hell up.
I agree.
I mean, people are going to die from this, and we need to do the testing.
The government has the capacity to do the testing.
They can send $110 billion to Ukraine.
What, they can't test soil in Ohio?
Correct.
Correct.
What the heck?
Well, because it's not about that, and we know that.
And this proves it even further.
It's just another bit of proof that there's something really horrible going on in the world.
This is the biggest cover-up in the history of chemical contamination.
Absolutely.
That's what this is.
Mike, you know, we've got a few minutes left, about five.
I want to have some fun and kind of revisit...
The white fibrous clots.
I don't know, you got me all amped up about dioxins.
I'm not sure I can have fun at this point.
You put out your challenge, and you did this even when you did the analysis of the clots.
You said, I welcome other scientists to come in, labs.
You can talk about that if they have come forward, but you put out the dioxin challenge.
I don't want to brush that off at all.
I agree with you.
I think that's a great challenge.
Land, water, surfaces.
I love the way you see children's playgrounds, porches.
Then it starts to hit home.
And let's see what those results are and how they vary across East Palestine.
Exactly.
If you're not willing to do the testing, what are you doing?
But yeah, what would you like to know about that?
Well, I wanted to, you know, some people may or may not know because it's been a while, but you took on the work of one of the original embalmers, Richard Hirschman's White Fibrous Clots, these embalmers finding them never before 2021 after the rollout of the shots, just to give some background, these white, strange, stretchy things.
Coming out of people's veins and arteries.
And you found some interesting things.
You certainly ruled out some things that they were not.
And that's important.
And we can kind of talk about that.
I find that we have to keep educating people.
There are new levels of people, new people coming in.
So I wanted to have you just chat a little bit about that.
I don't know if you've been able to do any further examination of it, but Mike, the reason I think it's important, and then I'll leave it at this, is that there are so many people out there, some of them frontline doctors.
I don't know where they're even coming from or frontline doctor-esque.
You know, just people that have been on a lot of social media and shows and podcasts and kind of self-proclaimed.
And they've got credentials and things like that.
They'll say, I think that it's amyloid and I think it's, you know, cholesterol mixed with...
And I always write back to them and say, based on what analysis?
Because to my knowledge, Mike Adams is the only one this far who's done any chemical analyses or chemical challenges and that sort of thing.
So...
Let's start with what you ruled out, what you've found, they are and are not, right?
Okay, yeah.
So yeah, the testing that we conducted on the clots from Richard Hirschman were ICP-MS, which is elemental analysis using mass spec instrumentation.
And by the way, that's totally different from the instrument that does dioxin testing.
Those are two totally different things.
I mean, they're both mass spec, but it's a totally different process.
But what we found is that these clots lack 96% of the iron that would normally be found in human blood.
And then it contained higher levels of certain things, such as aluminum, for example, and sodium.
And tin.
And tin also, right.
So those three things are electrically conductive elements, and they were at significantly higher levels in these clots than what you find in human blood.
And meanwhile, the clots, again, were lacking, you know, 96% of the iron.
So my contribution to this ongoing debate, which is very convoluted, is that these are not blood clots because they're not blood cells.
If they were blood cells, they would contain the iron of blood, and they don't.
Yeah.
And the other thing that's kind of freaky about this is that whatever these structures are, however they're being built in the body, is the body making them or are they building themselves or whatever you believe, they are clearly taking elements from the blood and concentrating them in themselves.
And we just named it the tin, the sodium, the aluminum.
And remember, ICP-MS analysis is only elements, the table of elements.
We don't know what the molecules look like in which those elements exist.
Because the molecules are torn apart by the ICP-MS plasma.
So we can only tell you what the elements are, but we can't tell you that it looks like, you know, this kind of molecule or anything.
We don't know.
That takes a different kind of analysis, which other labs are more proficient at that, such as protein analysis or amino acid analysis.
And you talk about fibrinogen and things like that.
Those are very, very large complex carbon-based molecules that we can't see in our ICP-MS, okay?
Yeah, do you think it would be helpful for someone who is an expert in and has an electron microscope to take like a shaving or something of these structures and put it under an electron microscope to see how it's structured beyond it?
Yes, that can be useful.
So the limitation with an electron microscope is you see a structure so you can see the morphology of it, but you don't know what it's made of.
So you can look at something and say, wow, that looks like it might be this or that, but how do you analyze the elements or the molecules in that exact thing that you're looking at under that electron microscope?
You can't.
So no matter how you analyze this, it blinds you to half the picture.
And that's why this is going to require multiple labs, multiple experts across the world.
And there are many experts out there.
And you've interviewed so many of them, by the way.
And frankly, they've done far better work than I've done on this.
Because I'm, I mean, now I'm working on dioxin testing ramp up, things like that.
At least we know that these are not normal.
There's not human blood.
There's just not clotted blood.
That's not what this is.
And by the way, that's why heparin doesn't work to break them up.
That's why the anti-clotting medications do not work.
Correct.
Correct.
And they're often mistaken for blood clots.
I've even heard Hirschman, I think it's just a slip of the tongue, say the white blood clots.
I've said it too accidentally.
Have you really?
Yeah, I don't.
Because people kind of generally refer to them as blood clots.
Yeah, yeah.
But they're not actually blood clots.
Right, because I think it just gets them down the wrong pathway.
But anyway, Mike, thank you again for doing that analysis.
I mean, nobody's reached out to you since and said, hey, Mike, I want to work with you and maybe just kind of springboard off of what you've done and build on what you've done, right?
No one?
I just want to clarify.
Okay, nobody came forward.
Well, tell me.
Can I add this?
For the people of JD Vance, if you're listening, contact me.
I'll tell you how to detox all the dioxins that you just put in your body because you were foolish.
I'll teach you how to get rid of that, okay?
And save your life.
Reach out to me.
I'm happy to help.
Yeah.
Drink your green tea.
But Mike's got some other things as well.
I don't blame you.
Detox is the secret.
Yeah.
Don't walk around like you're all cool and good and everything and die from this when you could detox it.
And everybody needs to know that.
Okay, Mike, as soon as we finish, I'm going to go grab a cup of my green tea.
Well, thanks so much for being with me.
I love having you, and you really do so much good in the world teaching everyone how to protect themselves.
And we'll get together again on that dioxin, and we'll see if anybody takes you up on the offer, right?
Well, I'm doing my best, Jane.
Thank you for having me on, but we are living among, as we said earlier, an oblivious suicide cult.
So not everybody's going to make it through this, frankly.
I understand.
But those of us who have knowledge, we will.
We'll make it through.
It's powerful, and thanks for being there for everyone.
Thank you, Jane.
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