The Muslim state capital rally just concluded here, and he was telling me what he was out here doing.
Tell me why you came out here today.
Really just to support the organizations that arranged this event.
The band wasn't really the center part of it.
I know that's kind of the highlight lately, but this event has been going on every couple of years.
The event is really just to present the Muslim community.
As a peaceful, law-abiding citizen, it's not necessarily anything politically agendas, or push any political agendas, but, you know, that's what's kind of the highlight in the news.
So, I'm guessing, I mean, I didn't really hear any speeches addressing the ban either, so, you know, I don't think that was really...
What was the group that organized this that you wanted to support?
CARE. It is Center of American-Islamic Relations.
Are you aware of the terror group in Palestine, Hamas?
I'm aware of Hamas, yes.
What are your thoughts on Hamas?
I know limited about it.
All I know is that Palestine is not really allowed to have its own government.
They're not recognized as a state, as people that should have basic rights like water, etc.
I don't know what Hamas' political agenda is, so I just would rather not comment on that.
Okay.
Now, are you a Muslim, sir?
You identify as Muslim?
Yes, I am.
Okay, so now I don't know if you're aware of this or not, or how much credence you've taken to this, but an FBI document was just released that determined that CARE, the Center of American Islamic Relations, is actually run by Hamas.
Or do Hamas CARE connections were you at all?
I didn't know if the Hamas scared connections.
As far as groups that want to infiltrate, I don't know if any.
What are your thoughts on the ban?
My thoughts on the ban are I just felt, okay, if it's something that's going to be executed, just the way it was done, you know, I felt was not right.
I felt a lot of the people that were banned, you know, they were in transit.
They have already been approved.
You know, I understand if it's something you want to have a longer vetting process, not approve visas down the road.
I'm not going to comment on that, but that's a little more understandable than the way this was conducted.
Did you guys watch the news about the ban?
Yeah, the travel ban is a ban on countries, not religions, though.
And the list was made by Obama.
The list was made by Obama, too.
I'm sure you're educated going to college white male.
The biggest lie right now today is Donald Trump running this country.
That's a fact.
The white supremacist movement is running this country.
See, that's not true, sir.
That's not true.
You realize that Donald Trump got elected by people from all race, colors, and creeds, though.
That's a fact.
You'd like to go to Ohio?
I've been to Ohio.
I'll take you to some of my family members, those rednecks, those white supremacists.
Okay, so that's one group of people that you're calling white supremacists?
They're all over the country.
An Iowa supremacist?
No, sir.
Okay, so I voted for Trump.
So, sir, you were out here.
Are you a Muslim American, sir?
Yes.
And you're also a Vietnam veteran, I see.
Yes.
So tell me, what brought you out here today?
What brought me out here is that let's elect another Muslims.
Have in the past, okay, been, let's say, like, you know, silent.
And that has been, let's say, like, one of the things that the media is aware of the Muslims.
So we are here, you know, to show our presence and to meet with the legislators.
Do you think that Muslim-American relations need improvement?
Do you mind?
We can walk and talk.
Is that alright?
Yes, yes.
Okay, we'll walk and talk.
My cameraman can walk and talk.
So what do you think, what kind of improvements can be made with the Muslim Americans and the rest of the Americans?
Do you think there's some problems there?
Yes, definitely there is.
And I think we are misunderstood.
Everyone, let's say a few, let's say like, you know, of the incidents that they hear, all Muslims are lumped together.
How do people distinguish?
Like, what do we do to try to distinguish?
Because Muslim Americans, I believe, are good people.
Like, all these people out here, they're not bad people.
How do we mend these relations?
Well, you know, let's say, like, you know, the positive news about the Muslims.
You know, if you look at the Muslims, okay, you find, like, more of them, let's say, like, are professionals, doctors.
You know, engineers, lawyers, you find very little problems with the Muslims.
Do you think there's any aspect of a radical Islam that's a threat?
No.
Thank you very much.
There's no such thing as Islamic terror, though?
Thank you very much.
Okay, guys, thank you.
Thank you for your service, too, sir.
Now, let me ask you a question.
Do you guys have any problem with Donald Trump's travel ban?
Everything about him is wrong.
I do, I do.
No wall, first of all, because we're the people, and that was our rights, because we cannot just let...
Someone just came out of nowhere and be like, hey, this is not your house.
Go back, because we've been living here for, like, years.
Our family's been living here for years, and we're like, okay, you're moving.
Come on, that's not right.
I mean, it's the same thing for other people as well.
And where did you guys' families come from?
Pakistan.
You guys are both from Pakistan?
We're brothers and sisters.
Oh, really?
Kind of.
Okay, now I'm going to...
Take this a little uncomfortable now, okay?
Okay, now you guys are aware of Hamas, obviously, the terror group in Pakistan.
You've heard of Hamas?
Not really.
Not at all.
So Hamas is a terror group in Pakistan.
That is trying to remove the people in power from power.
It's basically, you know, a religious war.
It's a civil war.
It's been tearing apart the region, unfortunately, for a long time.
Probably why your guys' families moved here, right?
You wanted to be able to practice your religion in peace.
You wanted to be able to live in peace.
Now, that terror group has actually been linked to CARE, who's been organizing these events.
That's an FBI document.
Does that concern you guys at all?
For the safety of our people, yes.
So maybe, you know, even though Donald Trump might be a bad guy, do you think possibly he might just be doing this in the interest of national security?
I feel like some of his motives would be for the safety, but some might not be.
So five of the seven countries in the travel ban, Barack Obama bombed for eight years.
Do you guys think that there might be anyone in those countries that might want to come here and cause harm to Americans?
Not really.
Sir, I'm talking to these kids.
What's wrong?
We've had a fair conversation.
Do you really think that?
I have talked to him.
He didn't want to be on camera.
You could talk to him or anybody, but that's what y'all do.
Now you're insulting them because of their age?
I'm not saying that they're age.
You just mentioned something about...
Tell me this, sir.
How many mass murders are in America every day?
How many mass murderers?
What do you mean?
Like serial killers or shooters?
How many mass murderers?
How many people?
Do you know the definition of a mass murder?
Okay, so you're talking about like an Omar Mateen or a San Bernardino shooter?
I mean, every day in America where more than one person is shot with a firearm in one instance.
Yeah, most of it happens in Chicago.
Where does it happen?
Okay.
You wanted to know about the countries that they bombed and what the part countries.
Yeah, yeah.
Can you tell me a question?
Sure, sure.
Why did, why did Trump, and I, by the way, I voted for Trump.
I voted for Trump because I thought that he wanted to tackle some of the serious issues and tackle terrorism and the source and who creates it, who fund it, and who trains it.
I like that.
I agree with that.
Why did he exclude Saudi Arabia?
Why did he exclude the United Arab Emirates?
Because they're rich.
That's why I'm disappointed in him.
That's a fair point.
I'm very disappointed in him because now he leaves himself open to criticism and also how he is following the law.
I think that's an excellent point, sir.
If he's following Rudy Giuliani's little New York, you know, agenda, then he's wrong.
He jumped too quick.
I'm from the country of Jordan.
Jordan.
Repeat that one.
I lived with my Christian brothers for all my life when I was young.
All through my life.
We're all brothers.
I never asked them, why are you going to church?
Or he asked me, I didn't go to the mosque when I was young, you know.
But, you know, why do you go to the mosque?
Why are you a Muslim?
We live like brothers.
Till this day.
And I'm 56 years old, and they are.
Till this day, when he sees one of my brothers, he says, where's my brother?
Is he back?
Did he come by?
Tell him to come by and stop and say, why we can't have that?
Why?
You know, our Constitution, the Founding Fathers, if we go back to everything they wrote in the book for us and live by that, we'll be fine.
But you got bad people?
Let's deal with them.
Together.
Together, I'm going to be the first one to help you deal with the person.
A lot of people who get trained and get the funding, we know where they go.
I know where they go.
Everybody knows where they go, where they get their training and funding.
Let's tackle that.
Let's tackle that.
I'm very disappointed in Trump.
I'm very disappointed.
This is my first disappointment.
You want to vet these people right?
Vet them right.
Let's establish some mechanism in place.
Let's put some rules in place.
Let's check.
Let's check the background.
Let's check where everybody comes from.
Let's make sure that nobody trains them somewhere and they can just sit here and do something down the road.
I don't want them to do something to my children.
I have five-year-old, six-year-old, and eight-years-old.
I don't want them to do nothing to my children.
Same thing for you and Alex and everybody else, you know.
We want to deal with this reality, but there are ways to deal with that.
It's unfortunate that everybody blames everybody.
You know, they want to blame everything in liberal media.
Conservative media blames liberal media.
Liberal media blames conservative media.
It shouldn't be that.
I mean, yeah, some media are liberal.
Some media is conservative.
That's their choice.
They want to report things, positive things about, you know, that, that's fine.
That's their thing.
I didn't like Hillary.
I never liked her.
They should have put Bernie Sanders and he would have won.
But I don't like anybody who hides stuff.
I don't like it.
And I think Hillary could be a lot to blame for all the struggle in the Middle East.
And she's to blame for the DNC problems.
Not just for that.
It's still for the structure, and now they have to rebuild.
The same thing.
Our community, we have to rebuild.
I always tell people from my community, from anybody, from anywhere, we have to cleanse the ills inside before you can tackle the ills outside.
Now, would you say, because you said you've brought these issues to light before, you've even mentioned this to people that have political influence, would you say that your voice is just unheard or just not respected, or why do you think it doesn't get through?
No, I don't think they understand quickly what I mean and what I'm talking about, and they don't understand the background.
If I can sit down with somebody for an hour, they're going to walk out scratching their head and say, man, this person should be...
One of President Obama or whoever's, you know, senior advisor is sitting right over there, you know.
I talked to a gentleman back overseas in Iraq in the days, and he was a retired colonel with the Marines, and he was a consultant to the ambassadors, and he helped establish a lot of things there.
And he was always baffled by, man, he said, you came to this country when you were 17?
I said, yeah.
How do you know about America more than 75% of Americans?
And you still...
Because you appreciate the actual privilege of being free here.
Exactly.
You appreciate it.
And I want my children to appreciate it.
But I don't want them to forget their roots.
I want them to keep up with their roots.
Everybody has to have roots.
You've got to know your ancestors.
He's got to know his ancestors.
Alex's got to know his ancestors.
Everybody's got to know his ancestors, where you come from, so you can keep it going.
That's how to be proud.
What are you going to be proud if you don't have any ancestors?
Well, thank you so much for your time.
That was very...
We need more people willing to talk like you, sir.
We really do.
Will do.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir, for your time.
And like I said...
And just always keep an open mind.
Will do.
Will do.
Never hate anybody because they're Muslim.
Never.
Never.
Because they're a Christian or Jew or whatever.
And always engage in conversation like this.
This is the most important thing.
Because we're the citizens on the ground.
Absolutely.
We have to deal with it.
We're in the trenches.
Exactly, sir.
Thank you so much.
And he raises a point that is very important that I don't hear anyone else raise out here that is totally fair.
Why no issue with Saudi Arabia?
Saudi Arabia is responsible for terrorism.
Saudi Arabia is oppressing women.
Saudi Arabia has 300,000 tents that could house a million refugees.
And guess what?
Saudi Arabia is actually close to these regions where civil war is tearing these places apart.
Oh, you know what else has happened?
The Saudi Arabian prince flew 80 of his pet birds on a flight.
You don't think you could put refugees on there?
So, again, this is the kind of conversation we need to have, folks.
As you've seen here out in the streets, some people don't want to talk to me.
Some people do want to talk to me.
When I do talk to people like that, it's powerful.
We come to truths.
We come together.
But, of course, when you want to avoid conversation and confrontation, you'll never come together.
You will always remain divided, and you will always remain confused, and most of the time in a world of lies.
Owen Troyer for InfoWars.com.
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