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Greetings and welcome to RealPolitik for March 28th of 2016.
Our guest on this episode is Dr.
Steve Pachenik.
Dr.
Pachenik is a critically acclaimed author of psychopolitical thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times bestselling Tom Clancy's OpCenter and NetForce book series.
Those highly popular works are rooted in his 20 years experience in international relations under five US presidents.
Dr.
Dr. Pachenik received his BA from Cornell University, trained in psychiatry at Harvard and holds an MD from Cornell Medical College and a PhD in International Relations from MIT.
He was the first psychiatrist ever to receive the Doctor of Philosophy with a focus on international relations and remains the only psychiatrist to have served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State.
Pachenik worked directly with Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Shultz, and James Baker, as well as the respective presidential administrations.
He was also Senior Policy Planner under President Ronald Reagan.
His latest books are titled Steve Pachenik Talks, Volume 2, and Teodora, A Voyage of Survival, Living, and Love.
Additional information, including information on all of his writings, is available at stevepachenik.com.
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Welcome, Dr.
Pachenik.
Well, welcome.
Thank you for having me on this very propitious occasion of Easter Sunday.
I feel very honored to be on your show, and I'm looking forward to our discussion, Dr.
Tracee.
I wanted to begin by asking what inspired you as an individual with the credentials you have and the background and so forth?
Doctorates from MIT and Cornell, training at Harvard.
What prompted you to really come out and to question the establishment to be referred to as I guess what some might call a truther or perhaps even in a derogatory sense a conspiracy theorist?
Well, number one, I was very proud to be called one of the first truthers.
When I had worked with the Bush administration, the senior Bush administration, the Reagan administration, so I pretty well knew all the characters involved In the Bush Jr.
administration, actually I've been involved in his election process, as Bob Zelick would say, but I didn't come into the administration.
So when an administration like Bush Jr., which was replete with neocons, Hadley, Wolfowitz, Pearl, all these guys whom I knew not only at Cornell University, but I also knew them in the Reagan administration, and we knew them as kind of chicken hawks, people who'd never really who served our country, but who basically proposed that we go into war.
I knew right away when 9-11 occurred that this was the product of the neocon establishment, including Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, whom I knew exceedingly well.
She's a professor at Stanford, and I knew that they had basically set up this institution.
What they didn't know was the year before 9-11, or six months before I had been brought into the Pentagon, To be the potential assistant secretary of special operations, low intensity conflict.
And what I had found in the Pentagon was that it was replete with CIA operatives, which was totally aberrant.
As someone who served in the Navy and was a Navy captain at 32 and promoted to Navy Admiral, Rear Admiral, but refused it, I knew exactly what was happening.
That six months before 9/11, the CIA had taken over many elements of the Pentagon military positions and particularly SOCOM, Special Operations Command, out of an office called SOLEC, Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict.
So when 9/11 occurred, I immediately went on the air and I said, "This is a false flag and a stand down.
Why?
Because number one, as many people now know, the planes could not have come into a building and attacked all the buildings, and we now know about the building which fell down.
But more importantly, The intelligence community had to come to me very quickly because I not only oversaw some of the elements of the CIA and military intelligence and other elements of intelligence, but I was trained in intelligence for 30 years, so I immediately got confessions from two CIA operatives that this was a stand-down and one of the deputy directors of Wolfowitz.
I then went on the air and accused Rumsfeld Literally, within hours of 9-11, he was saying this was a false flag and a stand-down.
Rumsfeld, whom I knew from the Rand Corporation and the Nixon administration, was not bright enough to just keep quiet.
He, in fact, went on the air the next day, on September 12th, and said, those of you, namely me, Dr.
Buchanek, who accuse the Republicans of doing a stand-down, then you have to accuse the Democrats of doing a false flag and a stand-down in Pearl Harbor.
Which was a self-incrimination, because basically the people who knew about false flags and stand-down, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl, Scooter Libby, Zalmay Khalazad, were all trained in the University of Chicago under Professor Wolfstetter, whose expertise was the false flag and stand-down in Chicago.
So immediately I knew who was incriminating.
Then I knew immediately they would go into Iraq, because I was teaching at the National War College at Fort McNair, I warned our generals and I warned our colonels, if you go into Iraq, you will be defeated.
This is not a conventional war.
This will be a war where you basically disintegrate Iraq because it's an artificial country created by Gertrude Bell and Winston Churchill, 1923, consisting of the Kurds, the Sunnis, and Shiites.
And in fact, that's what happened.
So every prediction that I made came true, not because I was clairvoyant, but because I knew the issues.
Then that day, on 9-12 actually, 9-11, I predicted that they will use Osama bin Laden, whose medical records I had seen before and knew about his medical conditions as having Marfan syndrome, which is a disease of the arteries and the kidneys.
That's why I had kidney disatmodialysis.
His deputy was Dr.
Swahiri, a physician, both of whom were CIA assets controlled by Zalmi Khalazad, our eventual ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan.
I knew that he was dying in Dubai in a medical clinic, and Clinton had sent over a CIA physician.
Therefore, I knew that years later, even though he was dead, they would claim, and I predicted this 14 years ago, that eventually They would claim, the administration would claim at some point that they had killed Osama bin Laden when in fact 14 years later he was dead.
So this is kind of a sweeping statement that I have to tell you about why 9-11 was so obviously a false flag, why it was a stand down.
Number one, from historical reasons.
I studied Germany, I studied Stalin doing this, I studied Hitler doing it.
I have studied LBJ doing a false flag and stand-down with a Liberty ship and when the Israelis had unmarked airplanes and they shot our Navy vessel for 8-13 hours and killed many of our men.
Those were false flag stand-downs.
I knew that Bush Jr., who was a coward, would basically initiate a war in Iraq in order to maintain a standing in America, which was a false standing.
And from an individual point of view, what made me want to do this is, number one, I was not born here.
So having been born in Cuba by chance, my father was in the French army, my mother had come out of Russia.
They fled the Germans, but I grew up in France.
And when I grew up in France, I saw the French do the same thing with the Algerian refugees.
And they would create these false flags where they would come in and arrest Algerians, not only in Indochina, But in Algeria.
And I saw the consequences of this on a personal level.
When I was a teenager in the town of Toulouse in southwest France, I would watch the French blow up buildings and accuse the Algerians.
Then I saw the colonels get into a war with Tagal.
So this was not new to me.
And then when I knew that the French had created this artificial notion of counterinsurgency, A nonsensical issue which they propagated to our military in Vietnam, then I knew we had continued a false narrative.
So it was personal, it was intellectual, and at the same time, it was my duty as a military officer and a senior official of the State Department.
And it long predates the event of 9-11 itself, your experience, your understanding, historical understanding, really impersonal recognition of what false flags are.
Correct.
And let me explain it a little bit before you and I were talking about it, Jim, but I'd like your audience to understand the way I think.
What's important, it's not just intellectually, but emotionally we have to understand That we Americans live in a republic.
The republic is not, by definition, a democracy.
We're seeing that now with the issue of delegates, both in the Democratic Party and the Republicans.
The republic, as Winston Churchill said very clearly, he said, the republic often has to hide behind a bodyguard of lies.
What does he mean by that?
Churchill in World War II had to allow the V-2 rockets to destroy an entire city of 32,000 countrymen, British, in order to maintain the secrecy of Enigma.
So what's happening, in order to maintain the integrity of the Republic, the leaders, rightfully or wrongfully, will always claim that they have to go to war in order to expand their power.
The Republic has its own inertia.
And in the case of America, we choose leaders who are beholden to the Republic.
Now, is the Republic an amorphous concept?
No.
The background of the Republic is part of what I'm part of.
It's part of an intelligence military complex, which Eisenhower had warned us about.
I had grown up in that complex, but I was weary and leery of it, and at the same time, I could reality test which elements were effective or which elements were dangerous.
For example, the dangerous elements were the ones where LBJ would start to attack a Vietnamese gunboat, and our Navy would say, what do you mean that we were attacked by North Vietnam?
We were not attacked by North Vietnam.
That became the Gulf of Tonking Resolution.
So we went to a Vietnam War because of LBJ. Then LBJ allowed our Israeli Phantom Plains to attack our Liberty ships so that we could get into a war with Israel against Egypt.
Well, that didn't work.
So then we had Nixon.
Then we had the Bush Jr.
administration where we literally had a false flag with men who really had never served the Republic, had never been in the military.
But we're more than eager, like David Wormser, a totally ineffectual individual who I had fired from an institution called the United States Institute of Peace, became a consultant to Cheney, who, by the way, most people didn't realize, had avoided a draft 11 times.
And I had warned our generals that if you're going to war for people who have avoided the draft 11 times, I want you to think about it.
And think clearly what you're doing on behalf of cowards and traitors.
That's not just an ad hominem title.
It's literally cowards and traitors.
Let me explain it to you.
Clinton, who grew up without a father, had a persona which is completely perfect for the CIA. No father.
Mother was really a prostitute in Little Rock.
Had grown up and had been given a Fulbright scholarship, a Rhodes Scholarship.
He went to Oxford but never appeared there with Strobe Talbot.
Strobe Talbot covered Clinton in Time Magazine because he was editor-in-chief, but Strobe was the establishment.
What did Clinton do?
He was reporting on massive anti-Soviet dissidents in Russia and reporting to the CIA. Now, this is not a conspiracy theory.
Let me go to the next one.
He was part of the CIA and came out of Yale University.
He happened to have gone to school with my brother at Andover.
He was not very bright.
Scooter Libby was not very bright.
Jeb was not very bright.
But all of them, because of their patriarchy and because of their heritage, were allowed to go to Yale.
They were recruited into the CIA, and once again, with a very absent father, because Bush Sr.
was not there for Bush Jr., he brought in the neocons.
He wanted to make a mark for himself.
It wasn't an issue of retaliation for Bush Sr.
He made a mark for himself on a pretext that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
Total lie.
Total misdirection.
And the intelligence community, which was part of the republic, retaliated with a backlash.
Our national intelligence officers and some of our CIA officers said you're wrong and we will prove you wrong.
The Republic did push back once we went into Iraq, and it dissolved because Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Fife, Steve Hadley, Jerry Bremer, all of these men who were totally ineffectual, completely ineffectual, and I know them very well, had created a war without an ending.
In other words, they went in and they never thought about what would happen the day afterwards.
When Iraq fell apart, Who took over?
Iran came in, and a man by the name of Soleimani, who's the head of the IRG, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, came in, helped our soldiers to leave Iraq and at the same time to leave Afghanistan.
So the pretext of Bush Jr.
having gone into Iraq and Afghanistan because the Taliban, as well as Saddam Hussein, had attacked our country was wrong.
Not only was it wrong, it was malicious slander.
Normally, Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, and others would be brought up on a war criminal charge.
I requested that 10-12 years ago.
As a result of that, I was brought up on charges of treason by Jeb Bush.
I was warned by Jeb Bush and his people, some of whom I worked with, that if I didn't stop attacking the administration and I didn't stop working with our military to get rid of Rumsfeld, I would be brought to prison on treason charges.
I said, I'd be happy to do that.
But I warned them that I had 12 million readers in the Tom Clancy book.
So it continued, and it continued on to the next administration, Obama.
And then when Obama came forth, he wasn't just something that appeared out of nowhere.
His mother was an anthropologist, PhD, trained in Indonesia, trained in Russian and Indonesian and in Islam.
And her mother worked for the East-West Center, and her father worked for the East-West Center, so they were CIA operatives.
They didn't come out of nowhere.
This is not a total CIA conspiracy, but you can see how the CIA maintains the integrity, or they feel the integrity of the Republic, in order to make sure that we don't have any disturbances from one administration to the other.
And when Obama came in, He came in with really the dynamics of a sociopath, as Clinton had, as Bush Jr.
had, and Obama.
The stories of his background weren't correct.
They weren't totally false, but they weren't totally correct.
So what did he institute?
He instituted lies, deception, and denial.
That's what they're trained for.
Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, the lie that Osama bin Laden had been killed on a raid by Admiral McRaven.
That's pathetic.
So we had two admirals, Mullen and McRaven, who claimed that they killed Osama bin Laden, and the Pakistanis were laughing because they claimed they killed Osama bin Laden one mile away from the Pakistani West Point.
And that was also a lie.
But the lies had to continue in order to maintain what they felt was the integrity of the Republic.
What happened?
Well, what happened is people like James Tracey, Myself, Alex Jones, a whole group of the alternative media came in and said, you're wrong.
Not only are you wrong, Mr.
President, but you're lying and you're committing crimes against the United States.
Bernie Sanders is basically saying that, and so is Trump in a certain way.
So what you're hearing now is not the words of the narrative.
You're hearing the emotions of the American people finally saying, thank God, We have some type of emotional expression, maybe the narrative is incomplete, where it's a blowback to Clinton, to Obama, to the Bush Juniors, and to a republic which has committed treason and crimes.
Is that a way of kind of explaining much of how I came into this?
Absolutely.
And you're pointing out that the Republic has been sabotaged in many ways by these leaders who've been elected and then have sought to further the Republic itself, but based on lies, based upon these fictions that are created through the media as well as government agencies.
And we were talking before we began recording, Dr.
Pachanek, about how this does not only involve the government and the media, but it also involves higher education.
The institutions that should be there to actually critique, to analyze, to assess what is going on in the halls of governance, in the media, and in other types of outlets and institutions upon which our country is based.
That's absolutely correct, Jim.
As I was saying to you, one of the things that made me very much impressed, and I was very much impressed with what you had done as a professor.
First of all, let me explain to your audience what I understand.
When you have a person like yourself, Dr.
Tracy from Iowa for the School of Writing, that's quite impressive to me.
Number one, I know many Authors who had a very hard time getting through just the regular program in Iowa.
When you receive a PhD in Iowa, your audience should understand that is really exceedingly impressive to somebody like myself who does right.
Now having seen that and having learned that you were thrown out by Atlanta University and I live around the northern Florida area, I said this is unconscionable.
What happened was you traded in my mind a dialogue where I began to realize not only is Florida Atlantic University culpable of cowardness, of really malpractice and having failed in the face of truth,
communication and open discussion, it has criminally failed to achieve So has my university.
Let me explain, as I explained before.
Cornell University has produced more neocon operatives, or we call chicken hawks, than any other university.
I wrote it to the president of Cornell, who unfortunately died, but it made no difference.
I said, you're asking me for donations, but you're not asking me to come and speak about the criminal acts that you, Cornell, have subsidized and reinforced Through people like Paul Wolfowitz, who graduated summa cum laude and came from one of your secret societies.
Sandy Berger, who also was a neocon, who gave away the secrets on our submarines and worked for Clinton.
For Frank Fukuyama, who was a neocon.
For Steve Hadley, who was a neocon and belonged to the same secret society, Quill and Dagger.
For all the others, Bibi Netanyahu.
And you demand that we have respect and allegiance to an institution which has debased itself in terms of its integrity, its responsibility for honesty and education.
And it went on to my medical school, Cornell University Medical College, which was a very hard school for me to get into.
There were only 88 students.
It was bought off by Sandy Weil, a banker who was indicted under Citibank laws and whose dean The Cornell University Medical College name was changed to Weill Medical College and they're proud of it because they could have been bought off like a prostitute for $300 million.
Then I went to the Sandy Hook episode and who was involved?
Yale University.
The president of Yale was bought off and more drastically and far more seriously for me as a psychiatrist who was a board examiner was the psychiatric division of Yale Medical College and I said this is unconscionable totally unconscionable because there was no individual who had committed those crimes and yet Yale prostituted itself and committed malpractice and malfeasance by claiming that one of their psychiatrists who trained at my
institution at Harvard Mass Mental Health was the one who examined him and they gave the whole profile or what we call the anamnesis of that individual and it was false because he didn't exist and in turn I called up my supervisors at Harvard and said how could you condone this and like all cowards the analysts and psychiatrists said you know we're not for it and they couldn't explain it so what you have here and
this is what your audience has to understand the senior institutions of learning in our country have been tainted By cowardliness, by malfeasance, by malpractice, and they have been denigrated as institutions of learning.
They have been elevated as institutions where they will hoard their name and their intellect for the good of the Republic in terms of lying and deceit and deception.
And I say this with false knowledge knowing that they listen to me But they're afraid to retort, and they're afraid to reply.
But when you have an individual like yourself with a PhD in communications and in writing, that's a very serious credential, which none of our presidents have.
And by the way, none of our intelligence operators have.
So you're far more learned in the ways of communications and propaganda than our own intelligence institution as well as the president.
And as you point out, Dr.
Pachanek, these institutions, the ones that you were mentioning, Yale, Harvard, Cornell, some of the most prestigious institutions of higher learning in the United States, and they were involved in Sandy Hook to a large degree because of the federal funding that they are dependent on.
We've got a break coming up in just about 90 seconds.
No problem.
Yes.
What happens is these institutions are really the handmaidens of federal funding and they will kowtow to any demand from the presidency and the executive order.
They have never stood up to this.
I have rarely ever seen them in 30 years or 40 years stand up to the president of the United States and say no.
Even the Sloan at Yale where they said, "Oh, we're against the Vietnam War," was nothing more than another CIA operative, just putting a counterpoint to it.
But for the most part, these institutions have failed.
We're speaking with Dr.
Steve Pachenik.
This is James Tracy on RealPolitik on TruthFrequencyRadio.com.
Of course, Dr.
Pachenik has extensive experience as Assistant Undersecretary of State in four presidential administrations.
As well as being a policy advisor in the Ronald Reagan administration and plenty of information, of knowledge, of stories to tell, to explain, much of which he is related in fictional form in the Tom Clancy novels.
We'll have more with Dr.
Pachenik after these brief messages.
Please do stay tuned.
Welcome back to Real Politics.
This is James Casey.
Our guest on this episode is Dr.
Steve Bechenek.
And when we were going to break, we were talking about Sandy Hook, about the fact that you have the biggest universities, Institutions of higher learning that were involved in this event as well, and Dr.
Pachenik knows this better than anyone because he knows some of these figures personally as well.
There's the concern with regard to dependents that these institutions like Harvard, like Yale, have on the federal government, federal government agencies that fund them with grant money.
And this is something we're talking about, you know, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of years.
And they will ultimately go along with certain types of things to even deceive the American people, such as Sandy Hook, such as Boston.
But we're focusing specifically on Sandy Hook here because this also, Dr.
Pachenik, It involves a whole mental health dimension that we've not even begun to address really, but you did bring it up briefly before the break, mentioning Adam Lanza, this kind of composite individual who had certain types of learning disabilities, but yet was not poised or oriented towards any type of violent behavior.
But nevertheless, this was the kind of figure that was constructed by the likes of Robert King at Yale University to intimidate the American public and to get them to go along with this agenda of mandatory mental health surveillance for the broader population, in particular those very vulnerable in the grade and high schools.
Well, what happened is, first of all, the narrative was so...
For your audience, so that the audience will understand, there will always be what I call a paradoxical intention in every narrative.
In other words, the story sounds right, but it's replete with inherent contradictions.
For example, in Sandy Hook, you had an Asperger's person who apparently never appeared in school had all these deficiencies and at the same time was exceedingly talented in something else but went shooting with his mother every week it was absurd and at the same time it was so absurd because the whole concept was replete with inconsistencies and psychiatrically it didn't ring true the diagnosis
wasn't correct and each time that I went on the air and particularly on the Alex Jones show They had to come back.
They, the administration, plus the FBI, plus Eric Holder, plus Yale University, came back with a response which became even more absurd, where they gave me his whole anamnesis.
Now, forget the fact that there's HIPAA, which you're not allowed to tell me, but at the same time they had this doctor who gave this absurd contradiction that he was an expert in Japanese studies, but he was socially Retarded, yet his mother, who never existed, came out of New Hampshire.
And the nurse, unfortunately, came out of a school that we knew about in New Hampshire, St.
Anselm Nursing.
So they had created a narrative with points that sounded legitimate, but had no legitimacy whatsoever, because, number one, the policeman had no PTSD, the building was already shut down.
You know, Dr.
Tracy really went into it very quickly.
The issue of mental health, that wasn't the paramount issue in terms of the narrative that they wanted to get across.
What they really wanted to do, and what Eric Holder had always wanted to do, a failed prosecutor and a failed and a corrupt individual who had been involved with Mark Rich and gave him his leniency under Clinton, a corrupt individual.
Holder wanted to make sure that we had gun control.
It wasn't about mental health, because they could care less.
We have 100 million people, which Obama says nothing about mental health.
We have no psychiatric care.
But we have the Second Amendment issue, which Obama was totally fixated and had no real idea about it.
So Sandy Hook was a false flag, which really bounced back and became the center of a very serious nidus of infection for the administration.
On top of not being able to kill Osama bin Laden, on top of the fact that they had created ISIS with the CIA and Israel and Saudi Arabia, all of these stories and narratives that the Obama administration had to create out of his own personality, which is based on deceptions, lies, sociopathy, we begin to understand through the alternative media and through people like Dr.
Tracy and perhaps myself, That the administration, no matter who is in there, is intent on lying, deceiving, and aggrandizing power.
For what purpose?
For the purpose of the Republic, to control, maintain political and economic stability, and, nobody's talked about this, and maintain an empire.
We have become so big that the Republic of America is disintegrating within As we expand without.
So we're in 722 bases.
We're in 220 countries.
What is America doing?
We're Pax Americana.
In the meantime, the people like Obama and Bush create false flags in order to maintain fear throughout the system.
Well, at first it was with gun control, then it's San Bernardino, then it was a false flag, and then you had 9-11, and you're constantly replete with fear In order to maintain a system of stability and control, well, it doesn't work.
What happens in effect is that people who've served in the military and been overseas are saying this is a lie.
Secondly, people like Dr.
Tracy come out and say not only is this a lie, but this is a well-documented lie and let me tell you the analytical process by which I went through and which assumptions I made Which couldn't be contradicted.
And the only way they could get to yourself or Dr.
Tracy was to have a group of what I call prostitute actors, the poseners, who've been used everywhere.
And they are prostitutes.
Assuming I'll be happy to have them in court because they will regret it.
But basically they were paid off.
Eric Holder had paid off the Connecticut troopers, paid off the governor, paid off every state official and the coroner.
So the corrupting factor in all of this has really disintegrated the state of Connecticut.
Who profited from it?
We do in Florida, because the gun companies started coming down to us.
And in effect, the idiot governor, as well as the lieutenant governor, failed in their mission.
Now, what happens as they continue to do more false flags?
It's less effective, less convincing, and eventually the American people tune it out.
As they've tuned out Obama, they've tuned out Bush.
You saw what happened to Jeb Bush.
That wasn't an issue if they didn't just want him.
The American public said, get rid of the Bushes.
We can't stand them.
And that was a mandate that came back in full force to say to the Bushes, go home.
You're lucky we didn't indict you for criminal acts.
And I've been against them for 14 years.
So now, I feel justified on this Easter Sunday That we do have a certain resurrection of spirit, of hope, and faith in our ability to say no, and to say, yeah, there's a false flag, and to say at the same time, don't betray us, because we will indict you, the President of the United States, your senior officials, for criminal acts and acts of treason.
Go ahead.
Dr.
Pachanek, I was going to say your training is in psychiatry in part, and you brought that to the State Department serving in a very high-ranking position over several presidential administrations.
Your expertise includes psychological warfare.
Would you say then, and I think this is what you're suggesting, that Tucson, Aurora, Newtown, Charleston, San Bernardino, and so forth are really a psychological operation on the American people?
Correct.
Now, the reason I was trained in that, and specifically I wanted to be trained in that, was because I understood, as someone who comes to this country who spoke several languages, that being in Foreign Service or having to represent our country, you have to, number one, know many languages.
Number two, you have to be conversant with different cultures.
And more importantly, you have to understand the way the Republic had grown.
And in that sense, I began to question a lot of the assumptions of American history.
For example, Abraham Lincoln.
Was he the great president?
In my opinion, no.
He had Marfan Syndrome.
He had manic depressive history.
He had created what we call autogenocide, which was conveniently called Civil War.
But when you look into the presidencies and you look at it from a psychological dimension, they don't have the same blossom That a Walt Whitman would like to write about, oh, captain, my captain, you begin to see the reality and the ruthlessness underlying the Republic.
At the same time, you don't denigrate the Republic, you begin to understand it.
So, in my case, psychological operations was used, number one, I did one of the first hostage negotiations, and I had to oppose the president at that time, James Carter, I had 500 hostages in three different buildings and 79 the Hanafi Muslims.
I was brought in because the FBI could not handle the situation, contrary to their movies, and the CIA couldn't handle it.
So I took it over.
I had the Quran.
I had three Muslim ambassadors.
I used them.
I created a scenario, and lo and behold, after 36 hours, even after Jimmy Carter ordered me to stand down, and I was a Navy captain, I refused to stand down, and we released the hostages.
That insubordination is inherent to our republic.
It's also part of what I teach our military who are going overseas now to AFRICOM. There are points in time where you have to be insubordinate.
It's the nature of the American system and the presidents don't understand that.
The second time I really began to use psychological operations is when I was brought out to the Rand Corporation.
I had worked in the Soviet Union in the 70s under Nixon.
To take Christians out of psychiatric hospitals where they were incarcerated because they were dissidents.
In fact, they were dissidents because they were fundamentalist Christians and they didn't want to accept Soviet ideology.
In turn, I had commoditized these psychiatric patients by having a value of Wang computers so I could get out four or five of them In return for 20 Wang computers, and that was the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union.
So when I developed the entire architecture for the takedown of the Soviet Union, I used rock and roll, I used culture, I used the Pope.
We used all the elements that were necessary.
So within the first 100 days when I was brought into the Reagan administration, the architectural plans that I developed and the implementation by the CIA and other elements was effective in taking down the Soviet Union.
It just didn't come down.
It wasn't given to us.
We had to read the right profiles on Gorbachev, and we had to really give the strategy and tactics to Reagan, who understood what had to be done.
And in that process, that was taken down.
I subsequently was involved in Camp David with Jimmy Carter, where he did do a very effective job of maintaining peace, I was brought in to create peace in Cambodia and disarm the Khmer Rouge.
There I cannot tell you the specifics and I won't, but basically I was able to disarm the Khmer Rouge and I was able to create, using the UN and the Perm 5, A system by which we could create the Paris Peace Conference for freedom in Cambodia.
To this day, it's the only successful example where the Bush Administration senior, and never talks about it, under the auspices of Dr.
Solomon, myself, and James Baker, where we literally created a democracy out of a country that was replete with utter genocide The killing of Khmer Rouge against each other.
Twenty years later, it has a viable type of democracy where people are protesting against the man we put in, Han Sen.
It's been quite successful.
Subsequent to that, I've been involved with the economic warfare against the Russians, the Chinese, and I still offer my services gratis to our Pentagon.
So the ability to be able to integrate psychological dynamics with international affairs is crucial to our viability in foreign affairs and in the domestic realm.
Unfortunately, we do not train our soldiers.
We do not really train our intelligence officers.
And ironically, we don't train our presidents to do that.
So what they do in return is a very primitive form Of repression, false flag, denial, distortion, and deception.
And it's so obvious for people like me and others in the intelligence community that the only response is, oh, give me a break or you go to prison.
So that's the type of situation we're in.
We're not training other people to do what I've done, unfortunately.
As we tape this program, the bombing of the Brussels airport and metro station took place less than one week ago.
There is the alleged threat of the Islamic State of terrorism that seems to be ubiquitous alongside these mass shooting events that seem to take place almost daily in the United States, though not so much in the immediate past.
What is your take on the media's role and press coverage of foreign affairs and how that's changed since the 1970s?
Well, what's happened in effect, I think it's a good question, Jim.
What's happened in effect is you have the Anderson Cooper and the Wolf Blitzers and Fox News.
I mean...
Anderson Cooper, again, I'm not going into saying everybody's CIA, but Anderson Cooper served two internships during the summer at the CIA. Wolf Blitzer worked at the Jerusalem Post, worked very close with the Israeli Mossad.
So what you have underneath the CNN umbrella is you have a network which is not in the business of reporting.
It's in the business of immediacy, reaction, and entertainment.
When you get to Fox, I know Roger Ailes and I know Charlie Krauthammer very well.
I was one of the supervisors over him.
Charlie is a bright fellow.
Unfortunately, because of his own disability, he never served our country, but Charlie is there to basically expound on his own theories of what national security and international affairs is about.
Has Charlie been in the military and the intelligence community?
No.
Has Roger Ailes really understood the intelligence community, the military community?
No.
Roger's main job and Megyn Kelly's job and Charlie Crownham's job is really to get ratings.
Maybe you find Brett Beer or one of the older journalists who were around who was quite serious and worked with Anderson Cooper.
Not Anderson Cooper, but with the old Mormon.
Do the paperwork, the journalism.
What we have now is really entertainment.
I have to go out of my way and spend hundreds of dollars to buy intelligence, which is open source but covers the entire world, most of which would be very boring to most people, what's happening in Kenya, Boko Haram.
So what happens is ISIS, which is a complete creation of the CIA, of our military intelligence, of Saudi Arabia, of the Israelis, As a force, which was a counterforce to Iran, because now Iran is a major power, has been dramatized to such an extent that we're allowing them to create what we call the strategic tension,
so that, in effect, we have a theory, and it's kind of a bizarre theory, but it's the theory that goes on, and Kissinger espoused it in one of his more manic moments, which is, we need constant strategic tension in the world in order so that we, a superpower, can control it.
So when you have bombing in Brussels, what it really does in effect for the American community and the European community, it basically forces more money into the system for terrorism or counter-terrorism, which already has trillions of dollars and is already quite ineffective.
So terrorism is not a strategy.
It is a tactic.
And when Bush stupidly said, we have a war on terrorism, it was an oxymoron.
He got caught in the oxymoron, but in effect Obama allowed it to continue.
Now we have a cause celebre where our military can bomb elements of ISIS. Bombing has never been effective.
Obama never studied military strategy.
I don't think most of our generals have studied it.
In fact, bombing in World War II and elsewhere was really not effective.
And suppressing any insurgency.
So what we're doing is we're putting bombs into places where instead we should have humans, which we don't have.
The CIA decided in its vainglorious moment that it's no longer going to be in the business of intelligence and human intelligence, but it's going to be in the business of operating drones.
So Obama thinks by killing somebody or a second in command or a third in command, He's in effect controlling the very Frankenstein he created.
And the answer is no.
It's absurd.
Because if you're really interested in counterintelligence and counterterrorism, which is what I was involved with against the PLO, PFLP, the Red Brigade, Japanese Red Army, I infiltrated those places.
You get into them and then you neutralize them by ways that are very old method.
It's nothing sophisticated.
I don't need guns.
I don't need bombs.
But the truth of the matter is now we're getting again an unnecessary amount of violence which can be amplified by the media which is co-opted because this is exciting news.
But in effect we die, more people die in America from obesity, cancer and smoking than you die in terrorism.
But in fact when you create enough fear you can shut down the airlines, you can shut down a country.
Now, Belgium is an artificial country.
It really is a country divided between the Walloons and the Flemish, or the Flemish and the French.
They don't get along with each other.
They have 19 different police units in 36 different regions, and it's not an accident that the Moroccans or Algerians or Tunisians have gone to Belgium to create a cell where they can create all kinds of terror.
The truth of the matter, the EU cannot integrate into an effective counterintelligence force because the EU is a figment of imagination.
It's really an entity which has to do with financial flows and flows of goods.
The European Union was created by the French as a way to neutralize the Germans after World War II But it didn't work that effectively.
So Germany became the superpower, France became a subordinate power, but the EU has no army, no police force, no intelligence capacity, and in fact has to depend on 26 or 36 different countries who already have a mixed integrated system within their own borders to be able to coordinate.
So it's not going to be effectively coordinated.
The threats that ISIS makes can be literally shut off if we can control the media and if we can suppress some of that information.
But you know, that's up to our people at the NSA, that's up to our DNI, Director of National Intelligence, and then that's up to a lot of other things.
But do we really know how to work intelligence and counterintelligence?
Not in my opinion.
We've spent trillions of dollars.
We have 16 different organizations, including National Geographic Agency, the NSA, and all types of different military units that really don't integrate with one another.
We're totally invested in cyber command, cyber control, but when I ask simple principles of psychology and human behavior, not one of them understands it.
Not one of them is trained at Fort Huachuca in intelligence, in understanding the dynamics of an individual or groups or organizations.
But at the meantime, I'm saying goodbye now to two National Guard soldiers and military intelligence who are coming from Florida to Djibouti because our President didn't declare we were at war, but we're sending men into war.
So now, once again, we have denial, distortion, and deception.
While the President is doing the tango in Argentina, young men and women are coming from Florida from home schooling, Christian missionaries, and elsewhere to serve in Africa.
To do what?
To maintain geopolitical stability and protection.
Nonsense.
They're going to be involved in conflicts in Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, and that's not what we're talking about.
And it's time for the American people to understand what's going on and to go beyond the press.
Dr.
Pachanek, we've just got a couple of minutes left and there's so much more I would like to cover.
I wish we had another 15 or 20 minutes or an hour for that matter.
Many reports suggest that 70% or more of the Middle Eastern refugees that are going into Europe and some coming to the United States are males in their 20s and 30s.
You may be familiar with a book by Kelly Greenhill printed in 2011 by Cornell UP called Weapons of Mass Migration that describes operations of mass migration as being strategic.
What's your take on that?
And are we witnessing some sort of a strategy to undermine the countries of Europe and perhaps eventually the U.S.? Yes.
There's no question in my mind.
I began to think about this very clearly when Putin stated in several interviews very clearly that he wanted to know why the Soviet Union was taken down.
He was extremely angry that 26 million people in the Soviet Union had no country.
He was correct.
I heard it.
I understood it.
Then when I saw the mass migration coming out of Syria, I understood that this was both Putin's way and Bashar Assad's way of saying to the world, you handle the problems that we've had to handle.
You handle the refugees that I've had in Central Asia, in the Soviet Union, and in Syria, because these are strategic points which can undermine the EU, and every time If Putin wants to do something, he, Turkey, Syria can get together and they can release as many migrants as they want.
Normally the Syrians can stay in the northeastern area of Syria.
I was in Syria.
I was interrogated by the Bashar regime.
I know Syria quite well.
The war in Syria started over water.
It was a water war and then it became a religious war between the Sunnis The Shiites and the Alawites.
Bashar Assad and his family, I told our intelligence community ten years ago, will remain there in the same way that Hafez Assad, but there's no question it's a strategic migration to undermine Europe for sure, because Europe will have to break up for financial reasons and for reasons that Germany can no longer fund the southern tier of Europe, Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal.
Well, Dr.
Buchanek, it's been an hour.
It's gone by so very quickly, but I want to thank you for being on the program, and I hope that you'll be able to come back in the future.
Oh, I'd love to, Jim, and thank your audience, and I wish them a happy Easter.
And after having said all of that, please feel free to understand that we have a great country, we have a great future, but you've got to get involved the way you have been involved.
And continue to listen to Jim, what he has to say and what other things have to say.
God bless you.
Well, thank you.
This is James Tracy for the Real Politics Program here on Truth Frequency Radio.
Hope you have enjoyed the hour with Dr.
Steve Buchenek.
Until next week, take care.
God bless.
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