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April 13, 2025 - Sunday Night Live - Chase Geiser

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Sunday Night LIVE: Trump Trade War Heats Up As President Militarizes The Southern Border & Makes Unprecedented Strides In Iran Nuclear Talks! - FULL SHOW - 04.13.2025

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chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Sunday Night Live.
		I am Chase Geiser, your host for the next one hour and 55 minutes.
		I will be joined in 55 minutes by the one and only Ian Carroll, who was the topic of conversation quite a bit this last week because of Douglas Murray's appearance with Dave Smith on Joe Rogan or Douglas Murray, who someone I formerly respected very much.
		began to berate Joe Rogan and Dave Smith and Ian Carroll and Daryl Cooper and others as not being experts in a particular field and therefore having no jurisdiction over that field in the topic of conversation.
		Despite the fact that Douglas Murray himself, though someone I deem intellectually distinguished and capable, merely has an undergraduate English degree from Oxford University, a prestigious school, but...
		Someone having so many different political opinions, it's just so interesting given that their expertise is really only in English literature and English from Oxford.
		And so we'll get into those details.
		I know that you're familiar and I know that it's a story from a couple of days ago, but just the hypocrisy is astounding.
		And of course, these broadcasts are becoming more and more difficult because it does seem that InfoWars is coming up on the end of its time as InfoWars.
		And I was talking to Alex last week and we were discussing...
		What the possibilities are, what the potential is, what's going to happen next.
		And look, the fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter whether we are InfoWars as long as we are winning the InfoWar.
		And so please don't forget to support us at TheAlexJonesStore.com in order to help the next thing get off the ground.
		But the reason I bring this up is because this might be the last broadcast of Sunday Night Live.
		I'm not sure if it'll be this one or if there's going to be about four more, but it's very likely that things are going to...
		Wind up.
		Over in the next couple of months as far as using Infowars.
		Website name is concerned.
		That being said, I'm very optimistic about what's next, but it does require your support.
		And I care much more about the other news that I see all over the desk, that I hear about, that I witness, that I perceive, that I put together, than the news about what's happening with my job or the news about what's happening with my network.
		Now, this whole story about shutting down InfoWars is something that's very relevant to you because it's an attack on freedom of the press.
		It's an attack on freedom of speech.
		It's the government weaponizing the civil courts in order to silence political dissidents.
		I mean, it's like I cannot even believe.
		If I hadn't worked here and witnessed it over the course of the last several years, last couple of years, two years now, I wouldn't even believe it that it was possible for this level of depravity and corruption to exist.
		But here we are staring into the abyss and becoming incredibly enlightened as to the depths of the darkness.
unidentified		I mean, look, folks.
unidentified		I mean, look.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		When you have an organization or entities that have won a $70 million settlement from Remington, and then they've won a $1.2 to $1.5 billion judgment from Alex Jones and Infowars, and you have a federal government with the audacity to say, hey, here's $4 million in grants.
		And we've got all the documents.
		We showed you all the notes.
		I'm going to do a video on it later.
		I'm breaking it down in three minutes.
		But the paper trails there.
		I mean, this was a federally funded operation to shut down InfoWars because of its political positions.
		Because it was holding the government accountable for its actions, its corruptions, calling all of its false flags.
		Just like Alex tonight called that on Cinco de Mayo there's very likely going to be a false flag incident attacking American Mexicans or illegal migrants.
		I suspect it would be like in a Chicago or a San Francisco or a San Diego or an El Paso.
		I'm not sure where, but I totally agree with him.
		And that's just the kind of thing that they hate.
		You have to realize they're not shutting down Alex Jones because of anything that he got wrong.
		They're shutting down Alex Jones because of all the things that he got right and that he continues to get right.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And we know it from the documents that we've got from the federal government itself.
		First of all, we had that Blevis creature who was an FBI and CIA contractor leaking that they were Trying to corral the plaintiffs against Infowars.
		At least their lawyers.
		Law firms.
		Against Infowars.
		Because they couldn't find any federal crime.
		Then we have the FOIA that I applied for last year for Infowars.
		Proving that Infowars has been under a Type 3 FBI assessment since December 10th of 2013.
		So they have been spying on us for 12 years.
		Then you see that the DOJ has funded over $4 million to the plaintiffs.
		And it all just comes together.
		There was a government conspiracy to shut down Infowars, and it looks like they're going to be successful.
		They're not going to win the Infowar, but they are eventually going to shut down Infowars, it looks like.
		That's what I'm told.
		That's what I understand.
		And for what purpose?
		Well, maybe it's because we're fighting back against the depopulation agenda.
		Maybe it's because we're fighting back against globalism or the political class or the conglomeration of political power into one new world order government.
		Maybe it's because we just call them on their bluffs all the time.
		Where we know in advance that there's going to be assassination attempts on Donald Trump.
		Where we know in advance that there's going to be surface-to-air missile attempts on Donald Trump.
		Where we know in advance that they do succeed in killing Donald Trump.
		God forbid they do.
		That they're going to blame it on Iran to justify getting into war with Iran.
		And they're going to say that it's about protecting the only democracy in the region and our greatest ally.
		But really it's just about a trade war.
		That's what these tariffs are about.
		The whole point of the tariffs...
		Was to have a targeted attack on China's economy while they're trying to subvert the dollar in the context of these escalations with Iran.
		All while we build up our strength in the Indo-Pacific region because the IMEC corridor that competes with the Belt and Road Initiative starts in India, the Indo-Pacific region.
		And what we've seen here is...
		A rapid push for depopulation, yes, because they want to reduce humanity to a manageable slave class under the technocratic political class elite,
		but also because all of the first world countries in the world are facing rapid depopulation already in this...condition has required that the technocrats and the political elite fund as much money as possible into artificial intelligence and robotics.
		Now, Japan's done a pretty good job with robotics.
		China is frantically trying to figure out how to replace its population because their labor force is totally eroding.
		And they do things like try to make this impact manifest in other parts of the country as well, parts of the world, rather, as well, so that...
		There's no competition for them.
		Well, if everybody's population is reducing, then that's fine.
		But they haven't been able to accomplish that in India for whatever reason.
		And so we're trying to divert all of our manufacturing to India, away from China, to make India the new China because China, regardless of what happens with these tariffs, is not going to be able to fulfill the demand of the American market in the next 10 years or so because they're all aging out.
		So they do things in China like, I don't know, release a virus that pretty much only kills old people all over the entire world.
		Hoping, thinking, wishing that it would have had more of an impact than it did.
		And then our pharmaceutical industry installs this vaccine in us that is Resulting in these turbo cancers, another angle on depopulation right there.
		And while our population dwindles and shrinks, then the leftists and the Democrats use that as an excuse to just import as many migrants as possible, tens of millions, without being vetted into the United States of America.
		Because we have to have a tax base to prop up the political class, even if it means changing the whole face or identity of our culture.
		I mean, look at what has happened in Europe, and I'm going to show you clip one here in a minute.
		The purpose of Islam.
		But look what's happened to Europe with the massive immigration, integration, importation of other cultures totally incompatible with the United Kingdom or with Ireland or with Scotland or with Germany.
		Let's watch one, please.
unidentified		If you read 5, 10, 15 books of Islamic law, they all say the exact thing, and that's this.
		The purpose of Islam is to establish a global Islamic state, a caliphate.
		And impose Sharia on everybody on Earth.
		That's it.
		That's the end of the story.
		There's no other purpose.
		Is that something that every Muslim knows and understands or not?
		I doubt it.
		But if you look at Sharia, Sharia states that when the Islamic community, the Ummah, has the ability and the resources to wage jihad, they're mandated to.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you have it.
		And it's funny because I posted a picture of my wife and I and Ian Carroll and his girlfriend last night.
		We had dinner together.
		And got like 6,500 likes.
unidentified		I thought I was going to get 500 or whatever.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And there are so many people in the replies that think because I have Ian sitting next to me that I'm anti-Semitic, even though Ian isn't really anti-Semitic.
		He's just critical of Israel.
		And then on the other hand of it, there's...
		A copy of Douglas Murray's book, War on the West, on the counter in that picture.
		And you have a whole group of people saying that, oh, you know, I just, I hate the...
		I'm pro-Israel.
		As a result.
		And the fact of the matter is, when you tell the truth, sometimes you only make enemies.
		Sometimes when you tell the truth, Pontius Pilate washes his hands and they hang you up on a tree.
		Sometimes. Fact of the matter is, I don't support either Israel or the Palestinians.
		I don't like the BS, Mossad, blackmail rings, which are really run by the CIA through Mossad, in my opinion.
		I don't like the fact that we're always getting roped into war after war, whether it's with Afghanistan, whether it's with Libya, whether it's with Iran, whether it's with Iraq, whether it's in Yemen, whether it's in Ukraine.
		So I don't like that we're getting roped into war and our allies, Bibi Netanyahu and others, have the gall to come over to our country to talk about how important it is for us to get involved in wars.
		I don't like that.
		But I don't like the fact that in Palestine or Saudi Arabia or in Afghanistan or Iraq, 40% of everybody married is married to their first or second cousin.
		And it's resulted in mental illness and violence and behavior disorders that have caused extreme terrorism.
		I mean, people fly into buildings because their parents are cousins, folks.
		You get enough retard going on there.
		Then you get enough cult religion going on there and then enough desperation going on there.
		You're going to see a lot of crazy things.
		And I don't like the fact that they rape little boys because if you have gay sex with an adult, then you get stoned to death because that's homosexual.
		And if you cheat on your wife or have sex outside of marriage, well, then that's some form of adultery.
		So they stone you to death or her for sure.
		So they just bang little boys and then paint their nails to claim them.
		I mean, this is well documented, folks.
		The boys who serve tea.
		The boys who dance in Afghanistan.
		So, you think I'm pro-Palestine?
		Fuck no.
		Excuse me, guys.
		Think I'm pro-Israel?
		No. I'm just pro-America.
		I'm just America first.
		I don't want any of this trash imported into my country.
		I don't want any of the blowback from bombing these places indiscriminately.
		And I don't want to get into a war with Iran because there's some false flag that has tricked us that it happened.
		That there was an attack from Iran.
		But I want to show you Tim Dillon.
		This is clip six.
		I want to show you Tim Dillon talk about what's going on with Iran right now.
tim dillon ▲ ● ▼		They've been talking about Iran since 2001.
		Iran. And in Long Island, you know, during the Iraq war, when everyone, including me, thought that was a great idea.
		Of course, my defense is that I was 17 and on cocaine.
unidentified		You know, you would bump into people in Dunkin' Donuts and they would go, yeah, the real problem's Iran.
		They're going to go into Iran after Iraq.
		That's where they're going to go to Iran.
tim dillon ▲ ● ▼		Because these people, these gremlins, these creatures that walk the earth, have been filled with the idea that Iran is going to take their Levitt house in Levittown, Long Island.
		And that in order to stop that, we need a major war.
		This is what we've sold all these people, by the way.
		We've sold them this idea that all of the threats that you're going to encounter in your life are from outside of the country, and it's caves.
		There are these people in caves plotting to destroy, but they're also really super sophisticated and brilliant.
		And in caves.
		But really smart.
		And they're religious fundamentalists, but also futuristic tech geniuses.
		And they're able to do all kinds of things, like attack our country.
		And on the day when NORAD had scrambled all the planes, they picked the exact right...
		It's wild what these people are able to do from a cave.
		It's really amazing.
		It is unreal what they're able to pull off from a cave.
		I meant because they're all in caves and they're all plotting to take the things from you.
		They're going to come in here somehow.
		Now, you would think, wouldn't it be easy to stop them from coming in here if we just didn't let a lot of people come in here?
		in if we tightened up security as to who could come in and who could go well that's silly we can't do that it's a global world so we so then you go okay so then what do we have to do to make sure that no one attacks us well we have to go around the world overturning their governments
		and convincing them all to love us oh that seems so hard it seems so much easier to just like make it harder to get into our country
		Oh. Okay.
		Has this ever worked?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		No. Right!
		To justify Israel's response to just clean out the region and stabilize the region so we can establish the IMEC corridor through the Port of Haifa and compete with China's trade.
		I mean, this all goes back to the dollar every single time.
		None of these problems would be manifest if we had honest money.
		All of our problems are because our money is a lie and when you break one of the Ten Commandments, you experience the wrath of God as a result of that fundamental transgression.
		But it's not just the importation of radical Islam that we have to worry about in the United States or in Europe.
		Certainly have to worry about that.
		But there's this other bizarre sentiment going on here.
		So on the one hand, you have this kind of inbred cult religion that celebrates this pedophile.
		Can't even draw a picture of him because he's so perfect.
		That catalyzes pedophile-like behavior.
		I've heard the stories from people who were over there personally.
		In Afghanistan and Iraq?
		You witnessed it.
		I've seen the documents.
		I looked at the data.
		No Douglas Murray.
		I don't have to go to Afghanistan to know that it's a shithole.
		Very obvious.
		But then you have this bizarre, like, Israel can do no wrong mentality, Zionist mentality, that is just so irksome.
		I'm not anti-Semitic.
		Like I said before on air, I've never met a Jewish person in America that I didn't like.
		Have several Jewish friends, practicing and non-practicing alike.
		No problem.
		With Jewish people.
		But Israel, which is a government organization, a government itself, a state, I've got some major problems with Israel and those who just unashamedly, unabashedly support it no matter what.
		I don't have a problem with supporting Israel, but you mean no matter what?
		Just blindly?
		Supporting another nation, which is certainly as corrupt, if not more corrupt, than the United States because it's constantly being bombed under pressure, experiencing civil war-like conditions, having changes in government, having just the most Machiavellian stuff you've ever seen at the highest levels of the state.
		People think Mossad controls everything.
		Their budget's like $3.5 to $4 billion a year.
		It's like one-fifth that of the CIA.
		We just use them to do our dirty work over there and on our own politicians.
		It's our CIA that's controlling our politicians through some of the things that you see from the Epsteins and others in blackmail.
		It's not them doing it.
		They've got no leverage.
		They're constantly under attack and relying on our funding in order to support them to keep them from being under attack.
		Recently, we've been 50% of their entire military spending.
		So who controls who here?
		Doesn't make any sense.
		But we've got this other side of the story, which is clip number 14, where there's just the brazen advocacy for choosing Israelis over Christians anywhere else in the world.
		It's bizarre.
		Watch this.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		People say, well, why are you so bothered about Israel?
		And I hear that from the right.
		The left don't care.
		They know I'm beyond saving.
		But on the right, I hear that.
		And I think they don't realize.
		They think it's some weird thing.
		Like, why is this a small state?
		Why does it bother you?
		I don't think they've even remotely reflected on what I regard as the deepest reasons to care.
		It seems to me if, as you well know, Western civilization is based on the legacy of Athens and Jerusalem.
		Athens is under great assault always, but it's not actually under existential assault at the moment.
		What is being attempted by Israel's enemies is the philosophical and cultural equivalent of burning all the libraries of Alexandria.
		This is one of the underpinnings of Western civilization, utterly, utterly at risk.
		And not in a sort of metaphorical way where people might use it as a sort of book subtitle, but the real thing.
		I mean, you know, I've sometimes thought about it this way.
		I haven't tried this out in public before.
		How many Jews are there in the world?
ben shapiro ▲ ● ▼		Fifteen million.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		Fifteen million, okay.
		This may come across really coarse, but let me put it this way.
		I mean, there are lots of conflicts in the world, and I've covered a lot of conflicts involving a lot of people, but...
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes, listen.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		It's conceivable that at some point, 15 million Christians could be killed.
unidentified		It would be a disaster, a tragedy.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		It's conceivable that at some point, Burma, India, 15 million Muslims could be killed.
		It would be a disaster.
		It would be a tragedy of an unimaginable scale, of mid-20th century scale.
		But if 15 million Jews were killed, that's the end of the story.
mark carney ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		Now, what does that mean for the Jewish people?
		It's the end.
		The people who saw off everyone from Pharaoh to Hitler disappeared in the 21st century.
		Everyone else, in my view, wouldn't survive either.
		Wouldn't survive either.
		Western civilization could not survive the destruction of the Jewish state.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So what he's saying here is that a Jewish life is more precious than any other type of human life.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		Western civilization would die.
		So I regard...
		The existential threat against the Jewish people to not just be about the Jewish people, it matters deeply to me that it is about the Jewish people.
		But it also matters to me because it's about America.
		Could America survive if the Jewish people were no more on its watch?
		Or everybody was forcibly deported from the Holy Land?
unidentified		Come on.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
		Could the isolationists bear the repercussions of that across the Middle East and elsewhere?
		Of course not.
		So I find this blitheness and the frivolity of it to be absolutely intolerable among the critics on the right.
ben shapiro ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that's been so amazing about all of this is just the sense that the West has lost its moorings.
ben shapiro ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was more disturbed from a sort of Jewish perspective as a Jew.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame Ben Shapiro for being Israel first.
		I mean, it's his religion.
		It's what he believes.
		It's his religion.
		It's faith.
		You can say that he's blackmailed or under control or anything, but I mean, look, there's videos of this guy playing the theme song from Schindler's List, which is a movie based off of a book that won the Best Fiction Award in Los Angeles in, like, what, the 50s?
		When he was, like, 11 years old, like, with Larry King and everything.
		The guy, that's his religion.
		It's fine.
		What bothers me is when we have politicians that we elect, like the Dan Crenshaw's and Lindsey Graham's and the others, who are just...
		We're unashamedly supporting another nation at the expense of our own.
		Now, I understand supporting another nation if it's necessary in order to prop up or sustain our own, and that's really kind of what's going on, but I'm unhappy with the fact that it requires us to fund and allow the death of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, if you count all the Middle Eastern wars that we've been in,
		of innocent people.
		And it catalyzes this hatred for the United States across the entire world that results in terrorist attack after terrorist attack.
		But then those attacks happen, our innocent people die, and then they're used as an excuse to get us more involved, and it's just like this spiral that we have to get out of.
		And the only way that we're going to get out of it is if the truth is broadcast, if there's continuously freedom of speech on the internet, if we're able to...
		Reach an audience and enlighten them and awaken them to what's really going on because it's not immediately obvious to people who don't have enough time to pay attention.
		And unfortunately, because of inflation, because our money's a lie, nobody has the time to really pay attention.
		And that's what InfoWars is for.
		InfoWars is for enlightening, exposing the truth to as many people as possible who don't have the time to do the research on their own.
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unidentified		Ladies and gentlemen, I am Chase Geiser and welcome back to Sunday Night Live.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I will be joined in 24 minutes by the one and only Ian Carroll.
		For the final hour of the transmission this evening, in the meantime, I want to talk to you a little bit about Mark Carney and what's going on with trade and tariffs and all this stuff.
		So, you know that my overarching philosophy on this whole thing is that we're in a major currency war with China.
		China's demographic is imploding.
		Therefore, they're trying to get as much artificial intelligence as possible, as much robotics as possible, which is their interest in Taiwan.
		We're developing the chips necessary for that technology.
		They're simultaneously trying to establish a monopoly of trade in the hemisphere with the Belt and Road Initiative, which we're directly competing against, which is why we are interested in stabilizing Israel, because the IMEC corridor from India through Saudi Arabia into Israel is key to compete with the Belt and Road Initiative.
		So that's what these conflicts are really about.
		You hammer China with tariffs, everything becomes more expensive in China.
		If it's from China, at least in the United States, then it becomes more expensive.
		And so it forces the markets to figure out other places to supply our goods and services because China's imploding.
		So India is an example of one that'll probably get a lot of our manufacturing.
		Mexico will probably get a lot of our manufacturing.
		And so will the United States of America establish more domestic manufacturing.
		This is the economic strategy that's taking place.
		And China is trying to harass the development of the Amec corridor by funding Iran, which in turn funds terrorism and assault and bombings on Israel.
		And to some extent, we have allowed that funding to take place.
		We've even left weapons behind in Afghanistan so we can catalyze major terrorist events like what we saw in Israel on October 7th, even though there was a seven-hour stand down from Israel to make it even more...
		painful and atrocious what the terrorists were able to do and that was used as an excuse to just wipe out basically all the surrounding terrorists in the region along with their families.
		That pretty much sums it up.
		But as China is developing its own It's manifesting its own tactics to establish its own currency as the global reserve currency or its own economic prowess as the dominance of the 21st century in the way that the United States was dominating the 20th century.
		We've got a third party here.
		It's not just the United States versus China.
		It's the globalists as well.
		And the globalists do not support China.
		They do not support Russia because
		and Russia demand their own national sovereignty.
		As corrupt as they are, they don't want to be under the control of the globalists.
		In fact, they've been at war with the globalists for quite some time.
		Basically the last ever since globalists have existed in one way or another.
		So you've got this global cabal trying to establish its own central bank digital currency coming from the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank of Settlements, manifesting this strategy through World Economic Forum, the United Nations, NATO, and other organizations
		like that.
		Then you've got China trying to just make its own digital currency become the new global reserve currency.
		And you've got the United States trying to protect the dollars, the global reserve currency.
		So there's three parties at war right now.
		There is a global economic world war happening right now.
		Hasn't really turned into a hot war yet, but it pretty much has if you look at these conflicts that are bubbling up in the Middle East.
		And even Ukraine is tied into this as well.
		Because if Russia takes over Ukraine, then they can divert Ukraine's agricultural exports away from Europe, weakening and crippling Europe into China.
		So China becomes independent of the United States agricultural exports, which it's currently dependent on.
		And that positions China to be less dependent on the U.S. and therefore capable of being in a hot war with the U.S. That's why we're really involved in Ukraine.
		But what the globalists are doing is they're also trying to sabotage the dollar while simultaneously sabotaging Russia and China through NATO, these other organizations, these conflicts that are taking place.
		And they want Donald Trump assassinated and they want Iran blamed for it so that we can weaken each other.
		So China and the United States can weaken each other and they can usher in their solution.
		And that's one of the reasons why they selected Mark Carney to be the leader of Canada so that he could manifest this strategy and execute this aspect or avenue of the trade war, economic war, currency war, whatever you want to call it, on the United States.
		So let's go to clip number three of Peterson talking about...
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		So if that is like, did you know any of these things about Carney that I just described?
		And if you didn't know them, well, why didn't you know them?
		And well, part of the reason for that is, well, Carney hasn't told anyone, although he did write the book Values, but who's read that, right?
		But I read it and I understood it and I'm doing my best to explain to you what it meant.
		He's got the wrong idea about Canadian values because we're not a fundamentally utopian, Socialist, elitist, top-down, central planning society.
		We're a Western democracy.
		And the principles that Carney outlined as...
		Cardinal values of Canadians are not the cardinal values of Canadians.
		And it's an interesting thing for the bloody Liberals to do anyways, because under Trudeau, we heard nothing but the proclamation that Canada had no core set of values, and that we were really a post-national state, and that insofar as we had any national identity at all, it was mostly that of genocidal,
		capitalist, patriarchal oppressors.
		And so, I don't understand at all how the...
		Liberals under Carney, who's certainly not an outsider, can be waving the flag of Canadian virtue at this point while also proclaiming that they've got their finger on what the Canadian core values are.
		Translated into DEI and ESG and net zero, which are radical, leftist, globalist, utopian, top-down, central planning dogmas that are incredibly expensive and truly ill-advised.
		Now, Carney...
		As far as I can tell, would rather that you didn't figure that out.
		And the reason for that is that he's riding high in the polls because Canadians look at his resume and they think he's qualified.
		And I can understand that because at the surface, his resume is impressive.
		But the question is, what has all that experience taught him?
		Well, it's taught him to be elitist to the extreme.
		it's taught him that him and his cabal of compatriots at the globalist level know better than you dim-witted peasants who are going to have to pay the price for his utopian vision.
		And it's taught him that, well, the environmental crisis is so terrible, that's the carbon dioxide problem, that it's up to a handful of globalist elites to take the steps necessary to put things right.
		And if that means that the typical Canadian has to be made poor, well, that's going to happen anyways as the planet boils.
		And besides that, you peasants are too dim-witted to understand the nature of the, what would you say, existential threat that confronts you and it's too bad for you that your children are going to be poor.
		Because you need that, we need that to save the planet anyways as
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		For how the globalists perceive all of us.
		The Canadians, the Americans, the Russians, the Chinese, certainly the third world, basically every nation of Africa is perceived that way.
		It is a neo-feudalism.
		It is a neo-fiefdom that they're trying to establish.
		And I've said it before, I'll say it again.
		Globalism is simply the merger of Marxism and fascism.
		It's got all of the controls in place and the genocides in place of fascism, and it's got all of the cultural revolution and psychological brainwashing and manipulating of Marxism.
		And they whittle down your culture by just degrading you and bullying you with ESG, environmental sustainability and governance scores, which they use as an excuse not to fund your businesses, which they use as an excuse to only fund the globalist entities so they can conglomerate the entire financial market.
		Then they've got the diversity, equity, and inclusions, which they can use to shame you for the sins of your ancestors, which may or may not have even taken place, and then make you somehow feel guilty about your racial identity in a form of ancestral worship.
		So through ESG, they're establishing a cult of nature that worships nature.
		And through DEI, they establish a cult of ancestry, like something you'd see from thousands of years ago, a false idol of ancestor worship where some of your ancestors are better than others.
		And if you belong into this subset or this identity politics, then you're superior to others.
		And then there you have two massive false idols that are being worshipped all while it's being funneled into your mind and brainwashed into you that God does not exist.
		That's what the globalists have done.
		They have weaponized the brainwashing, the war on your mind of communism, and then they've weaponized the war on the economy and financial institutions and freedoms of fascism, and they found a way to make these two incompatible philosophies merge into the worst of both worlds while totally eroding and disregarding all notions of nationalism or populism whatsoever.
		And now that there's this populist awakening taking place the world over, whether it's in Italy, whether it's in the United States, whether it's even in Canada, whether it's in Germany right now.
		Whether it's in the United Kingdom where you see the protests happening right now, there's this massive populist awakening and they're trying to escalate the ramifications of this trade war because they want the economic collapse to take place under a Trump presidency in the midst of a populist revolution so they can blame populism for the collapse that they themselves have manufactured with years and years of preparation.
		Decades and decades of preparation.
		An inevitable collapse created by fiat currency and Federal Reserve.
		Central banking, fractional reserve banking systems, which are themselves Ponzi schemes.
		I mean, literally, with a fractional reserve banking system, there will always be more debt than there is money.
		It is a Ponzi scheme.
		It will collapse, and now they're trying to control when it happens so they can exploit that crisis that will result in the death of billions upon billions of people in order to leverage themselves into total power.
		I mean, you realize that we're not less vulnerable because we're taking power back right now.
		We're more vulnerable because anything that happens can then be blamed on us and our movement.
		And if we fall for it, then it's our own fault, which is why enlightenment and awakening is so possible.
		I mean, look, you want an example of Mark Carney proving that he's a globalist, that he's a fascist, and a Marxist all at the same time.
		Just look at clip number 21 here.
		This is him saying they're going to ban X in Canada if he wins.
		He's not explicitly necessarily saying it.
		Maybe he is.
		But, I mean, isn't it obvious?
		Let's watch.
mark carney ▲ ● ▼		Large American online platforms have become seas of racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and hate in all its forms.
		And they're being used by criminals to harm our children.
		My government will act.
		And today we're announcing our plan to fight crime, to protect Canadians, and to build communities that are safe, secure, and strong.
		A plan to make Canada secure, to make Canada strong.
unidentified		Thank you.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to make Canada strong by censoring freedom of speech and just totally collapsing its economy in a trade war with the United States so that we can usher in a new globalist takeover of all monetary policy the world over.
		I'm such a good guy.
		I was involved in leadership in the Bank of Canada, and I was involved in leadership in the Bank of England, and I was a founding member of the World Economic Forum, and I love the Bilderberg Group.
		And I was educated in Ivy League schools in the United States, plus I was educated in very bushy schools in the United Kingdom, so I'm probably a royalist, as long as the royal family is inbred and demonic.
		This guy, man.
		He's bad news, and he's a threat because he's smart, and he's disciplined.
		I mean, he's a marathon runner, he's incredibly well-educated, he's incredibly well-versed.
		I mean, this guy is a major, major threat.
		And this is all happening in the context of the Scott Galloways and others, like in clip 23, I'm going to show in a moment.
		Talking about how we shouldn't be bringing manufacturing back to the United States of America, for what purpose would you want to make the United States of America as dependent as possible on other nations?
		Let's watch.
scott galloway ▲ ● ▼		It would be hard to think of a more elegant way to reduce prosperity this fast.
		Let's talk about Apple.
		The notion was we were going to bring back all those great jobs.
		The average Apple assembly person in China makes $500 a month.
		The average Apple employee focusing on more high value things like design, store management, makes $200,000 a year here.
		We want to wear Nikes.
		We don't want to make them.
		We have outsourced low-wage jobs overseas such that we can create more profits, more investments, and create higher-wage jobs.
		If these tariffs hold, your iPhone's going to go from $1,000 to $2,300.
		To make an iPhone in the U.S., it would cost $3,500.
		As a result, the threats of these tariffs take Apple stock down the value of Walmart in three days.
		If these tariffs hold...
		80% of toys under the Christmas tree are from China.
		So 90% of U.S. households are budget constrained.
		So we're talking about half the number of toys.
		We're talking about a destruction in shareholder value such that your parents can't retire as quickly.
		And we're talking about the entire world rerouting their supply chain around brand America, which quite frankly right now is toxic uncertainty.
		So they can bypass a series of...
		Unpredictable epileptic sclerotic decisions where we finally need to acknowledge we have someone at the wheel.
		Of the global economy.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Here's what he's not telling you.
		First of all, if we're manufacturing our stuff here, then that's more jobs, better paying jobs, higher jobs here in the United States.
		And so even if the cost did go up, the price did go up with some of these goods, we're talking about a more prosperous nation that's able to afford it.
		That's the first thing.
		Second thing he's doing is he's literally advocating for outsourcing slavery or slave labor to other nations so that we can have more profit and investment here in the United States of America.
		I mean, that's like the worst argument ever.
		Look, these little children in China with their little fingers manipulating the iPhone that they're building for you, they're so much better at it.
		It's so much cheaper.
		And we love the fact that when they jump out of the building, they have to be caught in nets to survive.
		I mean, this is so good for America that we're having children in cobalt mines outsource and export this raw lithium-ion material to the iPhone factories where the slave children work.
		I mean, what are we going to do without slavery?
		I mean, he's making the same argument that the South made about slavery.
		And I know that the Civil War is complicated, and I understand that it wasn't just about slavery, and I don't even think that the Confederates were bad.
		I disagree with slavery, but I don't think that they're just some group that we should always, you know, thumb our nose at or look down upon because, you know, they advocated for something that was morally atrocious.
		No nation or individual is as bad as the worst thing that they've ever done, but it's hard to say that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
		I don't care who says it, whether it's Darren McBreen or Alex Jones says that it wasn't about slavery.
		When you read the letters of secession from the states and slavery is mentioned in all of them, it's obvious that slavery had at least something significant to do with it.
		And that was part of what they were advocating, these southern states, when they declared civil war.
		And I don't believe in support of the tyrant Abraham Lincoln.
		You can read his speeches when he was debating Douglas and the things that he said were abundantly racist.
		Like, I don't believe that there should ever be intermarriage between white people and black people.
		Everyone thinks that Abraham Lincoln is some sort of moral hero and he was really just a shitbag tyrant.
		Who exploited this moral argument in order to empower the federal government and reduce the rights of states.
		I mean, he even tried to impose an income tax on the United States of America when it was explicitly illegal, and the Supreme Court ruled that an income tax was against the Constitution, so they amended the Constitution as a result to kick back to his tyrannical policies.
		He's not a good guy.
		I'm sorry.
		He's just not that good of a guy.
		So I'm not on either side here, just like with Palestine or Israel, just like with the north or the south.
		But we have this guy up here advocating that we use slavery overseas because it's better for our bottom line here.
		And what he's not telling you is that the Chinese labor market is imploding in size, and so their labor costs are skyrocketing because there's fewer of them to work.
		And right now, for example, in Mexico, labor costs like one-third of what it costs in China, I'm told, by the research that I've looked at.
		So why don't we just do it in Mexico then?
		Fine, don't bring it back here.
		Why don't we do it in India then?
		And it's just manipulative BS that you see on the likes of The View.
		I know nobody watches The View except for people who make fun and terrorize its clips.
		And yes, we might see some increase in cost for a short period of time, but man, if we don't divert and diversify where we're supplying our goods, then in 10 years when there's nobody in China to make the goods, it's going to be terrible.
		And if we allow China to have the robotics and the artificial intelligence in place to actually supply the labor, Then we have a massive CCP problem because it's going to be a small number of these Chinese communists.
		Who have a total monopoly of global trade and basically no overhead because of the robotics and the artificial intelligence.
		I mean, this is a major existential threat to the United States.
		But I guess we should just keep funding them.
		I guess we should just keep pouring all of our money into China so they can dictate what Hollywood produces because Hollywood is so dependent on the Chinese market to consume its films.
		And so all of our children are exposed to communist crap all the time.
		I guess we can just fund the development of apps like TikTok so our kids get brainwashed into cutting off their genitals or taking puberty blockers.
		I guess we can just fund the military development of China so they can become an even more powerful nuclear power while they expand the fact that they can produce ships at a 300 to 1 rate to the United States.
		And all of their commercial ships are designed to be military grades.
		so they can be converted into military machines immediately if we get into a conflict.
		I guess we should just allow China to continue to exploit the Panamanians or exploit all the people throughout Africa and establish these trade routes and then force Chinese labor in on these countries and just make them totally vulnerable and dependent on Chinese debt.
		We should just allow this to happen.
		It's unbelievable to me.
		And now, it's not just the Chinese threat, but the fact that the Chinese have been perpetuating and hoping for this depopulation crisis the world over, and this inflation of our monetary system has caused this depopulation crisis the world over.
		We have this massive erosion and watering down of Western civilization wherever you could possibly look.
		I mean, look at this point from J.D. Vance.
		This is clip number 19. JD Vance blew my mind with this point that he made that I just saw and I'd never thought of it this way even though I've been dancing around this issue for an extended period of time.
		Let's watch what he says.
jd vance ▲ ● ▼		I was talking with a friend recently and we were talking about, you know, One of the big dangers in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the Biden administration doesn't care about it.
		And I was talking about, you know, what is the first truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon?
		And we were like, maybe it's Iran.
		You know, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts.
		And then we sort of finally decided maybe it's actually the UK since labor just took over.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But... It's not funny.
		It's not funny.
		I get why people laugh.
		We think about the United Kingdom.
		We think about princes and princesses and kings and queens and storied history of Anglo-Saxon development and the English world and the English Empire and King George and the funny outfits and the vain sophistication.
		We think about the Douglas Murrays and their accents and the wonderful intelligentsia.
		You know, I was sitting with a friend recently having a spot of tea saying, we should try to coax the United States into a war on behalf of Israel because this is a war for the world.
		I mean, just BS.
		I hate how people think that just because they hear that accent there's something sophisticated being said or intelligible.
		And what's really a shame is not when retards make retarded arguments.
		What's a shame is when smart people lower themselves to retarded ad hominem arguments.
		What are they talking about?
		If you're not an expert in something, you shouldn't be able to have an opinion about it.
		Or if you've never been to a country, you shouldn't be able to have an opinion about it.
		I guarantee you that Douglas Murray had an opinion about every country that he ever traveled to before he traveled to those countries.
		I guarantee you he has an opinion about the shape of the moon, or whether the moon's hollow, or whether we land on the moon.
		I don't think he's ever been to the moon before.
		It's unbelievable the audacity of these globalist elites, of these political elites.
		To just sell out to the interests of globalist organizations, globalist political prolification, or just straight up sell out to the CCP?
		I mean, you have somebody going on The View and advocating for the exploitation of child labor and grotesque poverty rates because it's so good for investors in the United States of America and middle class Americans can't afford to stomach the cost?
		Middle-class Americans cannot afford to allow the United States to become dependent on a nation who hates us, who is trying to totally erode and eradicate our economy in the coming 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
		Just because you can get a toy car for a little bit cheaper now by doing that.
		These short-term gains with these long-term expenses are existential.
		I mean, literally, doing business with China is the equivalent of smoking two packs of cigarettes every day.
		You might like it now, might feel good now, might be relaxing and enjoyable now, you might love it during your break, at lunch, or whatever, but eventually you're going to have some health problems as a result of it that could, in fact, result in your death.
		That's what we're doing as a nation when we sell out our morality, when we sell out to these interests, when we prop up our enemies.
		I mean, the CCP hates us and our way of life, and we will give them total dominance if we continue to fund them and do business with them extensively.
		I mean, even the Globals were freaked out when they looked at what the CCP was able to accomplish in the Olympics in, what was it, 2008?
		Can't remember.
		It was major Chinese Olympics with the spectacle, and everyone was like, oh my god, I think maybe we've awoken a sleeping giant in China now.
		And it's not just that, but they're literally doing things like sending their military in order to fight wars that we're involved in through proxy.
		They're funding Iran, like I've said.
		They're sending spies over here to sleep with our politicians.
		They're sending students over here to steal all of our stuff.
		They've got 30,000 military-age men who just crossed the border over the course of the last four years in the United States.
		Biden allowed it to happen because he sold out to the CCP at least 10 years ago.
		If not earlier than that, certainly through Hunter Biden.
		If you know anything about Rosemont Seneca and the work of Hunter Biden from his laptop, all evidence that was brazenly obvious.
		And we have to put a stop to it, folks.
		We're going to break in one minute.
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		All right, folks, welcome back to Sunday Night Live.
		I am joined by the one and only Ian Carroll.
		Ian, it's always an honor and a pleasure to be with you.
		We're probably going to get shut down next month, so this could be one of the last times that you're on InfoWars.
		Thank you for being here.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Yeah, I couldn't resist.
		I mean, I've always loved coming in.
		I've always loved working with you guys.
		And it's wild to hear about the end of an era.
		And I'm...
		Honestly, really excited to see what happens next because as we've seen time and time again the last couple years, when they try to shut someone down, they only make them grow.
		They only add fuel to the fire.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yes, unless it's Don Lemon or what's her name?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Joy Reid.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		There has to be a fire there to begin with.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		There has to be a fire to begin with in order for it to explode.
		But I think it's going to be like what happened with Tucker.
		In others where they get shut down or they get fired erroneously and then it just explodes.
		I think the next thing is going to be huge.
		And we saw what happened with James O'Keefe.
		I think he was bigger now more than ever.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I think it can really set someone like James O'Keefe, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson free.
		And in this case, it's not that it's going to be setting Alex Jones free, but it is certainly going to be validated.
		Years ago, the deep state was a conspiracy theory that Alex Jones was talking about and no one believed him, which is crazy to think about these days.
		And now the deep state is literally behind the lawsuits.
		I mean, they're not fabricated, but they're clearly designed as an attack on this studio, not as any legitimate defense of So...
		you know exactly so um you know deep state's gonna do what deep state's gonna do but in the free and open media environment in the info war there's the truth always wins and you can't stop the truth even if you try to bring lawsuits even if you try to shut people down so
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Ian, you kindly agreed to experience methylene blue for the first time with me.
		So the reason I want to do this so early in the show is because it takes about 20 minutes to kick in.
		I want to see if you experience anything.
		I want to be able to talk about it.
		So what I do when I make this stuff is I pour a half a cup of soda water.
		You can do it with flat water.
		Like so.
		Because this stuff, you really have to stir it in, but by doing half a cup, You can pour the rest on top.
		Can I do one dropper full?
		You can do two if you want, but one I've found is enough.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		You're like a mad chemist over here.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and be careful with it because if you just put it in your mouth, it's still delicious, but you will have a blue mouth.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You'll look like you've been intimate with a Smurf.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Heard that.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		They just want to gulp it down.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, I sip it.
		Unless you think it's gross, there's yours.
		And I'll do it too because I need a little bit of a boost.
		I had a little bit too much fun last night.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that actually tastes really good.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And if you try methylene blue that isn't flavored like ours, it does not taste good.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it tastes really good.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		It's subtle.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a vanilla mint.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's good.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Naturally flavored, I'm told, by the boys in Bigley.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had a great dinner party last night, you and I, and I'm tired this morning.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not this morning anymore, but you know what I'm saying.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it was a blast.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Great day, chilling in the sun.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Alright, so we're going to do this experiment, but now, while we're waiting for this to kick in...
		I want you to tell me a little bit about what's happened and talk a little bit about what's happened with the Douglas Murray fiasco this week.
		What are your thoughts, man?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm just having so much fun with it.
		I mean, I would have been having fun with it if he hadn't come after me by name in it, too.
		Because he did, I felt even extra obliged to weigh in.
		But to me, it always just grinds my gears when people try to silence others, when people try to claim, and especially when they try to silence people on like a credentialist kind of a slant.
		Because we have so many examples by now, all the way back to before we were born.
		of why the experts cannot be trusted all the way back to the Iraq war and long before let alone COVID let like every single thing that has changed the face of our nation in the last 10 years has been told to us in one way by the experts and then it has come out that they were lying to us for profit or lying to us for the government or lying to us for an agenda and so the argument is at face incredibly disingenuous but it's also it's just as a younger
		brother and as a you know kind of a freedom maximalist my whole life it always has always just irked me too when people try to pretend like they're more entitled or they're more qualified or they're more expert just because of some title degree piece of paper or whatever it is because if you are an expert you don't need to tell anyone if you're an expert You can show everyone by winning the debate on logic and reason alone.
		The same goes for fitness.
		You don't need to tell anyone how fit you are.
		You can just show them by going and being fit and winning the race or winning the game or whatever it is.
		And I've always felt like, and this is sort of a more zoomed out version, is that you should never, as a man or a woman, as a person trying to be great, you should never go around trying to tell people how great you are.
		Because if you're great, Just go do the things that are great and other people will tell people how great you are.
		You can always tell you're talking to a person that is subpar because they'll tell you how great they are and they'll be the one that's trying to tell you about all of their achievements and no one else will be telling you.
		The inverse is also true that when everyone else tells you how great someone is and you meet them and they're incredibly humble and they aren't talking about themselves but instead they're doing things and they're That is immediately impressive and inspiring.
		And so the way that Douglas approached that debate, I think that for anyone with any serious level of intellect, it just felt hollow and it felt disingenuous and it felt conniving and slimy.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Especially... Did you know about him before?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I knew of him before, but I'm not familiar with his work like you are.
		I've never read his books.
		I've seen his reporting.
		And now that I'm looking into his books, they're hilarious.
		Like his very first one, Neoconservatism and Why We Need It.
		A, Neoconservatism, let's shill for that.
		But B...
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But it was back in 2004 when neocons were still cool.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Back in 2004, how old was Douglas Murray?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		About 25 years old.
		Yeah. And so read through that book.
		And I imagine that in that book, like you think he's at 25 years old, he's an expert on every topic that he approaches.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's only got a bachelor's degree in English.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I know, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Not that I care because I'm with you.
		I don't really believe in the notion of experts.
		Maybe I do for more obvious technical things.
		Like you can be an expert very objectively in engineering.
		Or an oil on canvas painting or in sculpting or in architecture.
		I mean, it's very obvious to determine who's an expert in architecture and who isn't.
		And maybe taking advice from someone who's built a lot of buildings is reasonable to a non-negotiable degree.
		When you're talking about experts in interpreting science or you're talking about experts in determining what's true, like Socrates is the most famous philosopher of all time through Plato.
		and Socrates this whole entire philosophy was like all I know is that I know nothing This whole thing was like not an expert and that's what made him such an expert right?
		Douglas Murray's doing the opposite thing here.
		In fact, I want to show clip number 15. This is Douglas Murray versus Douglas Murray on lived experiences a short little clip give you a sense a little bit of his hypocrisy
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		Have you been to the crossing points?
		I really resent that form of argumentation.
		When were you last there at all?
		I really resent it.
		You should at least do the courtesy of visiting it.
		This is not an attractive invitation.
		I think it's a good idea to see stuff, particularly if you spend a career talking about something.
		I have the right to talk about whatever the hell I want.
		And no one's going to stop me or try to intimidate me.
		And I think that if I said to somebody else the other way around, it would be equally reprehensible.
		I have a journalistic rule of trying never to talk about a country, even in passing, unless I've at least been there.
		If I said, shut up, you have no right to criticise anything that Douglas Murray says because...
		Hang on, you're talking about crossing points.
		And not only have you never been to a crossing point in either Egypt or in Israel, but you've never even been to the region.
		Okay. It's not an exact comparison, but seriously, is that a reasonable form of argument?
		No. In that case, nobody can talk about anything.
		We might as well pack up, go home, and isolate ourselves.
		If you're insisting that you're an expert of some kind, or not claiming you're an expert, but still talking about it, if you've never seen any of this going on.
		I mean, there are some people who've written about the Holocaust who didn't.
		But that is a different matter from spending an awfully long amount of time talking about an issue in a region you haven't even had the courtesy to visit whilst developing...
		All of these views about it.
		This idea that the lived experience has to triumph over everything else is not always correct.
		You should at least know what it is, what the territory is, what the situation is in the region.
unidentified		There's an irony to this, but let's skate over the irony.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Unbelievable, man.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And do you think he just kind of impulsively went to that argument because he knew he was getting his ass kicked or what?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine that he wasn't preparing for this.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		He clearly...
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You don't debate Dave Smith without preparing on anything.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And this is apparently the best he could do.
		So first of all, how incredibly elitist of him to think that, like, how...
		You have to be able to afford to travel all around the world before you're allowed to have an opinion on the world?
		Right. Excuse me, Douglas.
		And secondly, Douglas, your trip to Gaza was an IDF propaganda tour sponsored by the IDF where they've toured you in to sit in a cute chair and like, that is not experiencing Gaza.
		And there's a very different type of traveling when you go somewhere and experience the local culture and you live with the locals and you actually meet people and engage with their way of life versus...
		Getting a sponsored tour by some tour guide or by some tourist, you know, or by the IDF themselves.
		So that's retarded.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like I went to Hawaii for my honeymoon.
		I stayed in a very nice hotel.
		It was a Four Seasons in Maui.
		It was just obnoxious how nice it was.
		And we went to a hukilau.
		All of it was on the property.
		I don't feel like I've ever really been to Hawaii, like, with the locals.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Mahalo, bro.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I was there for a week, and I was basically in, you know, stateside United States on one property the whole time, and I had different food, and I experienced the weather and the ocean, and I did, like, a car ride around.
		I had the banana bread.
		But I have no idea what it's like to actually be Hawaiian.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		But then there's a second layer of this expert thing that we all know by now, but it's important to articulate, When you're talking about information expertise, it's not like being an expert sculptor where the sculpting skill is developed over time and it is inherently developed correctly because the sculptures are coming out better and better and better.
		With information expertise, you don't necessarily have confirmation that you're on the right track in all of your presumptions and all of your base knowledge.
		Unless... Because sometimes you realize that we had something wrong.
		Like, we did not know that there was this giant pedophile ring run by Jeffrey Epstein targeting all of our government officials until he was caught and exposed.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Alex knew.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Some people knew in advance.
		But there are certain suppositions that might have to be rearranged.
		And often there's people that are just wrong about base suppositions about how the world works or about how the financial system works, how the CIA works, how our government works.
		And so if you're an expert all the way to your PhD and you got all this education and all this experience, it does not matter if all of that is based on the supposition that the government is fundamentally not corrupt or based on the supposition that our bureaucrats are fundamentally
		trying to do what's best for us.
		So there are experts that have a skewed understanding of all of reality despite all the hours they've studied, all the things they've done because they don't understand the basic movers and levers of power in today's world.
		And so I would take the representation of someone that understands things like the CIA, human trafficking, politics, lobbying, all these sort of like corruption mechanisms that are kind of base layer to modern, you know, functioning, the modern world over someone
		that has gotten a mainstream education for, you know, 20 years and never questioned a thing in their life because we know that the mainstream education system is paid.
		for by all these corrupt systems in order to create worker drones like Douglas Murray.
		And so there's this base layer problem with his expert bias and
		Beyond that, the expert bias is sort of inherent to humanity, in that when your job is to report on something every day, the more time you engage in that job, the more incentivized you are to not backtrack your thoughts if you got something wrong, or to not rearrange.
		So suppose that Israel's the greatest thing ever, and you're on Team Israel all the way.
		And then we find out, and suppose that we get, like, suppose you needed more evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was at least in some way connected to Israeli intelligence, more than we already have.
		When that evidence comes out, you know, when we find out that Israel is running, at least in part, involved in this massive child trafficking blackmail,
		Right. You're about to justify child trafficking and blackmail and exploitation of children just to make it so you don't have to change your opinion.
		That is an inherent expert bias that is in all of us in every small way.
		So everyone on the internet, everyone on X, everyone on air, everyone on TV and radio, we all have to face that every day and have the humility to realize that you might be wrong about base layer suppositions.
		And it doesn't matter how much of an expert you've become because you're going to be wrong if you can't change your mind someday because we always get new information.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. Well, we were talking about this a little bit last night, and I mentioned that the real shame of it is that Douglas Murray was trying to make at least one or two really good points, and he was such a jerk about the way that he was doing it,
		and he did it in such an inconsistent, almost incoherent way that undermined him.
		And one of the ones was, his main point, as I interpreted it, I could be mistaken about this, I can't speak for Douglas Murray, but his main point was, look, The left over the years has downplayed and reduced the crimes of major figures like Lenin or Stalin or Che Guevara,
		right? I mean, we see the posters with Che's face.
		We see the t-shirts with his face and he was like definitely a terrorist, like terrible communist, right?
		And he's like, I'm worried.
		What he's trying to say is I'm worried that on the right we'll make the same mistake that the left did by turning these People into heroes and being apologists for them.
		I'm worried that on the right, there's a movement that is downplaying the things that Hitler or Mussolini did wrong.
		And it's going to cause the right to embrace fascism in the way that the left now has totally embraced Marxism.
		That's what I interpreted he was trying to say, which is a fairly good point.
		Problem was, he was accusing people that aren't doing that of doing that, and then using this expert, he was using this expert, you know, appeal to authority argument.
		So it's like, dude, that's a solid point.
		But if you make it that way, then no one's going to believe it.
		And he actually kind of did himself a disservice by making the point that way.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. I mean, there's a fundamental issue when the propaganda tactics of a side, in this case the pro-Israel side, is all too often to call just basic, you know, discussion of Israel's government policies like Nazism.
		And so if I am suddenly a Hitler supporter just because I have a criticism of Jeffrey Epstein, A, what?
		And B, You actually are incentivizing, especially young people, because young people are rebellious, and they're like, well, fuck, F you, right?
		And so you're incentivizing more people to actually just go to that side just to spite you.
		And so there's all this kind of conflicting theory in how you actually should be debating that.
		You're right that we shouldn't be becoming the other evil just because this evil...
		There's a middle ground.
		It's always impossible to stay in.
		What you're also getting at is the fundamental flaw in Murray's approach to this is if you're an expert...
		So journalism is about communication, right?
		Just like teaching is, just like conversation is.
		when you're trying to convince someone of a truth, I mean theoretically journalism is reporting just on facts, but let's be real.
		These days, journalism is largely opinion programming.
		It's narrative spinning of whatever you believe is the right narrative or whatever you were paid to say is the right narrative.
		And so when communicating
		Certainly. That job means that you are supposed to understand your audience because communication is not what you're sending out.
		Communication is what they are receiving.
		You need to be thinking about how your audience is receiving you.
		And so if Douglas Murray is not capable of understanding Joe Rogan's audience and understanding that Joe Rogan's entire platform, the reason why he has the biggest platform in the world is because he doesn't do that shit.
		He does not gatekeep.
		He doesn't play these stupid games with ideas and censorship.
		Woke, in a lot of ways.
		And the reason why that platform is the number one is because they don't do it.
		And so when Douglas Murray goes on that platform and acts like this stuck-up gatekeeper of information and contradicts himself in a lot of ways, it just falls completely flat.
		In itself proves that he's not an expert at what he apparently does.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		He's arguing that Joe Rogan doesn't have enough pro-Israel people on his podcast, which first of all isn't true, but it's while Douglas Murray is on his podcast.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You're sitting right there, dude!
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Just make the argument.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I was pleased to see that there was going to be a debate.
		I was very excited for this episode.
		It's going to be awesome because the thing I love about Dave Smith is that he's somebody who's critical of Israel without being anti-Semitic.
		Which is the thing that I appreciate about you, Ian.
		You're critical of Israel without being like, the Jews!
		You don't talk about the Jewish question using terms of the Jewish question.
		You don't talk about international Jewry like some of the more anti-Semitic people in this space do.
		You talk about Israel and its widespread globalist corruption in a way that does not just implicitly give everyone the sense that anytime you encounter a Jew in the real world, they're part of this cabal.
		It's so important that we're capable of having these...
		These difficult conversations around sensitive issues without the gatekeeping and without the censorship.
		Obviously, it's hard for anyone to talk about Hitler without raising an issue.
		One of the reasons why they stopped doing studies on IQ, for example, is because they discovered that the results of the studies had very, very negative implications.
		And no psychologist or psychiatrist is willing to do more studies in that field because they don't want to get pinned as racist when the results of those studies come out.
		That's the fact of the matter.
		It all happened with the bell curve in the 90s.
		I can't remember the author of the book.
		Very famous.
		And so we don't get IQ studies anymore.
		Same thing.
		We don't get people other than independent journalists or podcasters re-investigating the nature of World War II because nobody wants to be pinned as somebody who's a Nazi supporter because they believe that maybe it was only 2 million instead of 6 million Jews that were killed in the Holocaust, which is not Holocaust denial,
		and it's not condoning Adolf Hitler.
		Like, 2 million is still really bad.
		200,000 is still really bad.
		Like, it's still a ton of people.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		One is still really bad.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		One is bad.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Any atrocity is still an atrocity, and you're perfect.
		There are two evils here, and it's kind of like the classic Jedi story.
		You cannot use evil to defeat evil, because then you become evil.
		So, in the Jewish issue, you cannot...
		You cannot condemn all Jewish people for the actions of some Jewish people in the exact same way that you wouldn't do that for the Italians and the Italian mafia.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Or the fact that 7% of the world is white and white people are responsible for every major world war.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Is it because I'm white?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Obviously. But then Douglas Murray comes on and Douglas Murray becomes the woke left from the right in order to try to stop what he sees as this evil woke right thing.
		All the time in this world, there's always a temptation to take the shortcut of sort of the wrong way, the low road, right?
		Whether that's in discussions of Israel or discussions of communism or just, you know, discussions about discussions.
		And the unfortunate truth is that you always have to try your best to take the high road, which means listening to the other side.
		It means actually having a discussion.
		It means actually engaging with the nuance of a situation, even when it's uncomfortable, like how many Jews died in the Holocaust.
		Even when it's uncomfortable, like the Holodomor.
		was a big issue and we never talk about it and why don't we, right?
		So there's all this nuance and when you jump to rhetorical divisive tactics like calling people Nazis or like trying to shut people down because they're not experts, like these devices that are not actual engagement, you inherently undermine nuance and you're basically an agent of chaos,
		an agent of evil.
		You're pushing conversation towards black and white, towards just...
		The versus mode, right?
		Towards this identity politics and woke bullshit.
		And so I think it's really telling that the Douglas Murray, like still days later, everyone on the internet is still talking about it.
		And we're still talking about it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And I hate talking about stuff that happened a few days ago because this is a news organization, but it's so relevant and still so happening.
		And I couldn't even really stomach to watch the whole episode.
		I watched the first hour or so of it.
		Did they ever actually get to the point where they directly had a debate on any specific issue?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I haven't watched the whole episode either.
		I don't have time for that, honestly.
		And I will at some point eventually watch it, but I've not yet seen a single clip where they actually...
		There are a few where they were debating issues, but it's interesting.
		...that everyone is giving it so much attention.
		And you say, like, tomorrow's news today, so it's, like, annoying to talk about yesterday, but I would argue that this is tomorrow's news today because we are currently passing anti-Semitism speech laws in America.
		and the what they formerly termed as non-legally binding guidelines about anti-semitism on our government website state department's website i'm pretty sure it's the state department those guidelines are explicitly
		anti-american and explicitly anti-first amendment and they
		It's not legally binding for anyone.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's how they do it.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		They groomed it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		They literally groomed censorship.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And then they're walking it forwards to actually, no, if you break these rules on college campuses or in any government-funded institutions, suddenly there's criminal liability for the institution.
		There's funding that's on the line.
		And then it's like, where does that line freaking stop?
		Because now we're deporting people that aren't adhering to these guidelines.
		This is America.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's unbelievable.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And just to put it into perspective, Ian, is it better to be the owner of a lonely heart or the owner of a broken heart?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, good question.
unidentified		Um... Man.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a lonely heart.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Much better than an owner of a broken heart.
		The song right here, owner of a lonely heart, man.
		They don't write them like they used to in the 80s, but speaking of love, let's watch quote 25. This is a Taylor Lorenz clip that came across my feed of her talking about Luigi Mangione.
		Let's watch this and unpack it.
taylor lorenz ▲ ● ▼		It's curious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is the United States of America.
		As if we don't lionize criminals.
		As if we don't have, you know, we don't stand...
		Murderers of all sorts.
		We give them Netflix shows.
		There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles that mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels.
		And you see that in moments like this.
		And I can tell you, I saw the biggest audience growth that I've ever seen.
		Because people were like, oh, somebody, some journalist is actually speaking to the anger that we feel.
unidentified		The women who got her outside court in New York.
taylor lorenz ▲ ● ▼		So you're gonna see women especially that feel like oh my god right like here's this man who who's a revolutionary who's famous who's handsome who's young who's smart he's a person that seems this like this morally good man which is hard to find yeah i just realized she makes a good point about movies though But,
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		like, to describe a murderer as morally good is an interesting take.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And to not consider that he was fed to us intentionally.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So, have you looked into the details of Luigi Mangione?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Have you done a deep dive?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't do the deepest of dives, but when it was happening, I was digging around and kind of keeping tabs.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And it's suspicious in all directions.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Did you come to the conclusion that he was engaged in psilocybin research for lower back pain and that the person running the studies had received former DOD contracts?
unidentified		Whoa! Uh, chaos.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Can you say chaos?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Someone tell Candace Owens about Luigi Mangione's psilocybin trial.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's true, but there is substantial reason to believe that he was in psilocybin trials for chronic lower back pain.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		So I did get to the chronic lower back pain.
unidentified		And then you look at who's running the studies and whether they've ever had DOD contracts.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You're like, wait, the government?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Is Harley Pasternak involved in these DOD studies?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Is Harley Pasternak treating Luigi Mangione's back?
unidentified		I can't remember the name of the scientist.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even confirmed that he was in these studies.
		But I think he was based on everybody that he followed on X. And all the psilocybin study content and the memes that you post about what it's like to be in the waiting room before a psilocybin study.
		And so it looked like a classic MKUltra situation.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so yeah, it's like, let's say we can't necessarily confirm that.
		Correct. Well, you know, we'll look into it.
		That's, you know, you look into it too out there.
		But Taylor made an interesting point about how we do lionize criminals in movies.
		Like we've got all these mobster movies and stuff when they're like, those are horrible people.
unidentified		It's like a tough ball because like, yeah, they're like, those movies are fun.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		They're cool, whatever.
		But at the same time, they're...
		Yeah, maybe there's a better way to deal with that little problem.
		Exactly. But the thing that I felt like she was missing there...
		Which, this is what we were saying about if your expertise is missing a key component of understanding about how the world works, like if you don't understand MKUltra, you wouldn't even consider the fact that maybe Luigi Mangione was not just an organic thing that just came out of nowhere.
		Like, Hawk Chua Girl, maybe she didn't blow up and get a podcast and get all the biggest guests in the world on her podcast out of nowhere because Of just organic sentiment online.
		Maybe there's a little bit of narrative massaging and narrative control.
		And I can't help but feel like Luigi Mangione had all of those indicators that tell you, not that you know for sure, but that tell you that you should be looking into it.
		Because what do they need right now?
		They need an angle to take against Donald Trump.
		The sort of leftist globalist factions that wanted Kamala to win.
		Whoever's aligned with them.
		They need an angle on Donald Trump.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You mean to literally take him out?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Like literally kill him?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean that way.
		Literally. I mean they need an angle politically speaking to spin a narrative around him now.
		To mobilize their base.
		To do things like Black Lives Matter riots.
		And to do things like whatever the next false flag.
		Whatever the next COVID.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be like Cinco de Mayo or something like that.
		Where a bunch of migrants are going to get bombed.
		They're going to blame it on white supremacy.
		But I also think they're going to try to kill Trump and blame it on Iran.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I completely believe it.
		And they need their base to cheer that on.
		They need their base to be with it because you could see as Trump got elected, you could see the reporting start to shift towards these oligarchs and people like, you know, oh man, I'm totally blanking on our Ocasio-Cortez.
		She's out here just like suddenly spewing about the oligarchs even harder using these like kind of talking points, which to be fair, she's always been kind of about like, let's go after the rich despite now suddenly she's one of them.
		But it...
		And then suddenly this killer just comes out of nowhere, this vigilante that is taking justice on one of these oligarchs for how they've wronged all the American people.
		And it just felt a little too convenient in the way it all came together.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Certainly did.
		And speaking of AOC, let's run clip two.
		And then I'll pitch to clip ten as well.
		But here's clip two.
unidentified		This dude is probably...
unidentified		One of the most unintelligent billionaires I have ever met.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Or seen.
		One of the most unintelligent billionaires she's ever met.
		But then she goes in in clip 10 to say that America was set up to be destroyed.
		Can you run 10 for us too, please?
unidentified		Also, you know, the other way I think you can think about it is that we are...
		Perhaps we are in the downfall of the broken way.
		This was not built to last.
		Inequity... Injustice is not built to last.
		It lasts a long time.
		It could last hundreds of years.
		But ultimately, it crumbles into this, you know?
		A small cohort of incompetent people that create damage.
		And from that, something new can spring.
		And so maybe something is declining right now, but maybe it deserves to decline.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I mean, let's really quickly acknowledge the fact that AOC, you're right.
		Corruption and evil and broken capitalism was not meant to be the system that America is.
		And it's not meant to last.
		Ponzi schemes inevitably burn themselves out.
		The fiat dollar was never going to work.
		The globalist banking control, starting wars, funding wars from both sides.
		Profiting off the start, the middle, the end, the rebuild, funding terrorist organizations and then funding the wars against those terrorist organizations.
		Obviously, that is not going to last.
		That's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
		The yen carry trade was never going to last.
		The yen carry trade was going to blow up.
		Sorry, the housing bubble was going to...
		But they do this in front of an American flag.
		And they always do this as though America was the thing, the evil, right?
		As though Elon Musk was representing America and his evil billionaire-ness was America, which is like so misguided and so subversive and evil.
		This country that has given them everything, this country that has allowed AOC to go from bartender to whatever the hell she is now, right?
		And so it really grinds my gears when they try to paint it as though America is that evil and as though capitalism is inherently that evil.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right. And it's not really capitalism that they criticize when they criticize capitalism.
		It's fascism that they criticize.
		But they don't realize it.
		So they come after capitalism and say, this billionaire, this billionaire, these billionaires, and this amount of wealth, and it's like...
		Every single monopoly that's ever existed in the United States of America has been government sponsored all the way from Rockefeller through Google, right?
		And all these billionaires that you're criticizing for being billionaires, they all have federal government contracts.
		So if you kill the federal spending, then there's not really much left of capitalism to criticize.
		You're criticizing fascism.
		You're criticizing the fact that the government funds these entities in order to control them.
		But speaking of propaganda from the left, I want to show you clip 70. Remember this take from 2020?
		Go ahead and run it, please.
		I take responsibility.
		Do you remember this, Ian?
unidentified		I take responsibility.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		I take...
		What was this?
		...responsibility. I take responsibility for every unchecked moment, for every time it was easier to ignore than to call it out for what it was.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Is this from The Black Square?
jd vance ▲ ● ▼		Every not-so-funny joke?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
unidentified		Every unfair stereotype.
		Every blatant injustice, no matter how big or small.
		Every time I remained silent.
		Every time I explained away police brutality.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		How funny would it be if it cut to an Asian actor and it was like, every time I say the...
unidentified		Black people are being slaughtered in the streets, killed in their own homes.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to become a better person over here.
unidentified		These are our brothers and sisters, our friends, our family.
		We are done watching them die.
		We are no longer bystanders.
		We will not be idle.
		Enough is enough.
		I will no longer allow an unchecked moment.
		I will no longer allow racist, hurtful words, jokes, stereotypes.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So you believed it?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		You watched it and you're like, it rankled in my head.
unidentified		I was like, what the fuck is this?
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Is this the best we've got?
		No, I remember when that came out and I was still a leftist.
		I was not woken up to things.
		I didn't really understand anything yet because that came out during COVID, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they used COVID.
		Everybody was on social media so much and just watching Netflix so much that uses an opportunity to just embed propaganda.
		That's really what ramped up, in my opinion, a lot of the woke leftist ideology in media.
		Because they were like, coming out with this content, like, this is the perfect opportunity while we have this captive audience to just drill home leftist ideology, DEI, ESG, in all the content, and that's just another example of it.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Yeah, it's...
		It is tragic how when you have an uneducated populist that does not understand how communist revolutions...
		have always begun and always worked and how they always do them through the educational institutions and through the like media and entertainment institutions through the cultural institutions right if you don't if you're not educated enough to know at least the smallest bit of that history and I know Douglas Murray I've never been to Russia but like if you don't know some of that history then it's actually it's really effective Yeah.
		And so when they start feeding this, like we like racism in America.
		Yeah. There's isolated incidents of racism.
		Like sure.
		There's isolated incidents of racism in Israel too.
		There's isolated incidents.
		There's tons of racism all over the world.
		Yeah. But in America, we were on the right track, right?
		We had gay marriage, like, like black people and white people and brown people were more or less living all with the same rights and the same abilities.
		Like certainly with different cultures, different socioeconomic statuses in different places, but it's not because like, you know, we can get into that for years.
		But then suddenly when we start talking about it over and over and over, we are all the way back to, and just like, you know, a few years time, we're all the way back to open racism where there are like white, like whites, not allowed spaces, like blacks own, like just absolutely like
		segregated.
		I remember learning about Brett Weinstein's He's white adjacent.
		silence and that whites weren't going to come.
		And he's like, fucking no.
		Like, sorry, I'm still.
		And like, he's Jewish, so he could probably have been like, I don't know.
		I'm not even.
		But they wouldn't have had that.
		They wouldn't have bought that.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		He's white adjacent.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. He's white adjacent, right?
		And he wasn't going to try to hide behind that.
		He was like, no, fuck you.
		I'm coming to teach my class.
		And if you don't want to come, whatever.
		Don't come, but I'm coming to teach.
		And they mobbed.
		They were chasing after him on the campus, trying to hunt him down.
		It's insane that people can not realize that reverse racism is also racism, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		And that if you stand up against it, then you're suddenly some kind of a bigger racist.
		I mean, look, I've seen so many clips this week, Ian.
		I don't know if you've been seeing it too.
		Black kids beating the hell out of one Asian kid or one white kid.
		I know that these are anecdotes, but if we look at trends here, there's a problem.
		It's obvious that low socioeconomic communities, in my opinion, because they're low socioeconomic, not because of their race, are more vulnerable to the narrative or propaganda pushes of major government entities or institutions.
		They're going to subconsciously Feel the momentum of a cultural shift or push in a more vulnerable way than people who are raised to think for themselves in solid households.
		With security and assurances.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And high quality education.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. And I don't even know.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it comes back to the same thing we're talking about with AOC in front of that American flag, where they blame all of these things on America as though America was the problem.
		Right. Same thing with this entrenched racism, right?
		If you don't have a background in understanding how the CIA works and how the crack cocaine epidemic actually started, if you don't know how the private prison for profit pipeline works and how many black people they are literally still working as slaves to this day.
		and that corporations like McDonald's and Starbucks and Verizon are profiting off of slave labor in our country
		Yes. In
		order to have gangster culture, thug culture, hoe culture, because that keeps this type of people in this lower vibrational thinking.
		It keeps them doing things that will lead the men to prison and lead the women to whatever the hell it's leading them to.
		And that is so profitable to them.
		There's corporations profiting off of it.
		There's organized crime profiting off of it.
		There's government profiting off of it.
		And then they don't have to worry about the votes so much because they can just kind of keep this whole scheme going that they've always had of, like, the blacks will always vote for the Democrats because, like...
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		They need all the welfare and handouts.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Fortunately, they're starting to wake up.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		They create the problem in order to offer the solution.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then they try to blame the problem on America as though America was the problem.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And then when the problem was actually kind of like the deep state all along.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		It's true that it's the deep state, but it is kind of our fault if we let it continue to happen.
		We have a problem, I think, in the conservative or in right-wing America where we keep falling for supporting the same old types of politicians again, like the Dan Crenshaw's that get elected over and over again, the Lindsey Graham's that get elected over and over again, the Mitch McConnell's.
		In fact, I want to show clip 12 here of Candace Owens talking about the neocons.
		Let's run clip number 12 and then unpack that on the other side.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Frauds. You are all frauds.
		And you're going to get exposed.
		I'm telling you, one by one, you're going to get exposed because you're pissing me off now, okay?
		I spent all of 2024 having to fight you guys.
		You're like disgusting little goblins.
		You operate all in the dark.
		You lie.
		You lie like some people breathe, genuinely.
		These people lie like I breathe.
		It's just natural.
		It's just like their lungs expand and a lie comes out.
		And there's a network of that, and Meghan McCain and Ben Dominick have been a part of that network forever, okay?
		Everyone knows who these neocons are.
		You want to keep Americans drummed up, go to war.
		These people who can't fight the wars, they cry when someone points out accurately that they're clinically obese.
		You can't fight the wars, but your sons and daughters better fight the wars, guys.
		God forbid you have a person on a platform telling you, no, this is stupid.
		We don't need to be involved in BB Netanyahu's Middle East BS and expansion policies.
		Okay, they don't have the people.
		So they want you to be the people that go die for it and are trying to marry you to those ideas in the classroom, on podcasts, via the media.
		And because their relationship and your trust in the media has been fractured, they now have to work on trying to fracture your trust in people like me and Tucker Carlton.
		This is the new vibe.
unidentified		He sounds like an Iranian propagandist when he says don't die in Iran.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		When he says that obviously no person should send their kids to die in the Middle East because this has been our...
		Policy, our flatline policy for the last decades, and nothing good has come of it.
		Literally, nothing good has come of it.
		They can't even pretend anything good has come of it.
		Look around.
		Look at your streets.
		Look at your country.
		Is your country cleaner?
		Is your country better for having fought Israel's wars for decades?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		She's right, though.
		One of the things that frustrates me about being accused of antisemitism is, look, I'm not antisemitic.
		I'm just advocating for the well-being of American Jews over Israeli Jews.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for all Americans.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		America first.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And in some ways for the whole world.
		It's like the whole world would be better off if we weren't all running off to go fight in other people's wars and continue these cycles of neocon wars that are just for profit, political, and sometimes even religious gains, right?
		But can we just quickly take a moment to just...
		Just recognize the absolute run that Candace Owens has been on this year.
		She basically took down the entire French government.
		She exposed, and we're still waiting for the lawsuit, or we're still waiting for the evidence that she's wrong.
		She exposed that the First Lady of France is a man.
		And she was not the original Digger, but she's the one that kind of brought it to the world and brought Xavier Coussard's reporting to the world.
		And that's just one of many digs.
		And she, since leaving the Daily Wire, which is a monumental moment in the alternative media space, Brett Cooper then following her, she has just been on this monumental tear that is just singular.
		And no one, people have tried to touch her, people have tried to come at her, and it's just like arrows bouncing off a Kevlar.
		It's insane.
		It's wild to watch.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and she's a really good example of somebody who was pushed out of a major institution one way or the other, and blowing up as a result.
		We cannot allow These organizations to put us in chains.
		Whether it's any news outlet.
		There's something to be said for just going independent this day and age.
		If you're good at it, you'll make it.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		100%. And that's the beauty of the decentralized media.
		And that's, I think, part of why I have such an issue with Douglas Murray.
		And yeah, I've got skin in the game because I'm like the paragon of independent media.
		Dude that came from nothing and became very popular and blew up very quickly and sort of gained this great voice and following or whatever.
		Sometimes deserved and sometimes just luck.
		I don't know.
		But... If you're the one advocating for these more centralized systems, for these expert systems, for these systems that are controlled by institutions and money and degrees, you're advocating for the system that gave us the Iraq War.
		You're advocating for the system that lied to us about MKUltra.
		You're advocating for the system that has been controlling our lives all along because, like, what do we think the universities are at this point, right?
		The universities are that system, and they are designed to be the indoctrination centers for that system, and that's why, like, going back to the intelligence agencies, intelligence agencies specifically recruited all the Ivy Leagues, because the Ivy League is not necessarily the highest level of education, though they do have a lot of it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Look, if you learn calculus at a community college, you learn calculus the same way you learned it at Harvard.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Bingo. But the thing you didn't learn is how to tow the center line, how to say yes, ma'am, how to run favors and be a sort of influence peddler.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And be vetted by the network.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And also be vetted by the network.
		That's how you wind up at these Ivy League schools.
		And so when you get a high performing person at an Ivy League school, you know that that is a good little worker drone that probably doesn't even.
		I mean, like you have to obviously test their morals to make sure they're down to do what you ask them to do.
		But there's a reason why the CIA and all of the, you know, secret intelligence agencies recruit at these Ivy League schools.
		It's not a free thinker factory.
		It's not a intelligence factory.
		Intelligence is emergent and it emerges wherever you are just by you living, experiencing, and being your best.
		You can do it without a college degree.
		You can do it with community college.
		You can do it with university.
		And trying to kick people out and slander them and shame them like they did with Candace Owens, that doesn't affect it.
		They'll just grow bigger.
		Right. Trying to censor them like Douglas Murray did doesn't help.
		You just make a fool of yourself.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		In the last couple of minutes that we have together, what are some things you think that the Trump administration has done well?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And what's something you think that they really need to work on?
unidentified		Good question.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to get better at remembering that these things take lots of time.
		We see some things that seem like failures and, you know, we'll see.
		And we see some things that seem like successes and we'll see.
		Like, Doge seemed great.
		But, ultimately, it sounds like the cuts that we got from Doge are just equal to the military industrial complex's extra budget that's coming in.
		So, really, the one thing that I am most excited about that the administration has done is more of what we all did together, which was endorse it.
		Right? Because...
		We can argue about what they've done and what they've failed at, what they've succeeded at, but ultimately we endorsed the desire for what they were promising as the American way right now.
		And that collectively, all of us agreeing that we are done with this woke bullshit, agreeing that we're done with open immigration, done with a border that is trafficking children on behalf of the cartels, done with the forever wars, even though we're apparently not, that endorsement is my favorite thing about the Trump administration.
		It's the American administration.
		It's the American people.
		That are, to a large extent, actually trying to hold the administration accountable and actually speaking up when Pam Bondi totally botches the release of the Epstein files, for example.
		What could they do better?
		An awful lot of things.
		But I think that the number one thing that I'm concerned about is, I mean, there's a lot of them, but one of the big ones is I'm concerned about all of the wealthy technologists.
		that are in Trump's ear.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		The technocrats.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		The technocrats getting into their little places of power, and that includes Elon Musk, but that includes Peter Thiel standing right behind J.D. Vance.
		It includes all kinds of people.
		Yeah, Fink 100%, Ellison.
		Even Bezos and Zuckerberg.
		And so I'm very worried about their level of influence growing because the time of AI is now and the time of robotics is now.
		The time of space exploration is now.
		And so Trump has every incentive to listen to them.
		And he has every reason to not understand what they're saying to him because he's 80. Something years old, right?
		And so I'm very nervous that they're getting way too deep down his ear and we don't have moral people around to check their plans and their schemes and wherever they're trying to take these real ID things and these digital ID things and these central bank digital currency things.
		And I think that...
		I'm still taking the white pill on it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		But it is our job in the media to watch out.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Put their feet to the fire.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to always hold the powerful to account.
ian carroll ▲ ● ▼		And that's one of the most important places to do it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Ian, for being here.
		It's always an honor and a pleasure to have you.
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