Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux - What Did We Win?

Jan. 17, 2026 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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What Did We Win?

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Pushing Your Dice Quite a Bit 00:14:20
	Good evening, good evening, my friends.
	Welcome to Friday Night Live, 16th of January, 2026.
	And just by the by, I've decided to stop feeling old.
	I don't know why this is going to be the year I turn 60.
	60 feels different from everything else.
	Everything else you can vaguely double and maybe you're still around.
	50 to 100, maybe.
	But 60 to 120, that's pushing your dice quite a bit.
	That's pushing your dice quite a bit.
	It's not going to happen.
	So closer to the end than the beginning, and it's kind of been worming its way into my bones a little bit.
	If you're younger, enjoy, enjoy as you get older.
	You'll begin to see that there's not just an endless tunnel, not just a conveyor belt of days.
	It's not round and round like a carousel.
	I wrote a poem when I was in my teens about how nature's kind of an asshole because she always renews.
	You know, winter goes to spring to summer to fall.
	She renews, she renews.
	Boy, we don't.
	Shot from a cannon.
	We hit the meridian and then we fall, baby.
	Hopefully leaving a bright trail of sparkly thoughts with us as a whole or behind us as a whole.
	So for those of you who are donors, freedomain.com slash donate.
	You can sign up for a subscription on Subscribestar or Locals.
	So for those of you who are donors, I poured my heart out about the late Scott Adams.
	You know, obviously I texted him before he died back and forth a little, just telling him all of the great things that he'd done.
	He was anyway, it's a private conversation.
	But yeah, it's just funny seeing him on the list.
	But the one thing that did bother me, and I haven't been able to shake it, and you can let me know what you think about this.
	But he did a podcast a couple of two years ago, two and a half years ago, something like that, wherein he said something like, he said something like, you won.
	The anti-vaxxers, you won.
	And he was like, can we agree on that?
	We can all agree on that, right?
	You won.
	You got it right.
	You decided not to trust the government and big corporations.
	And that's never a bad idea.
	You came out on the better end of things.
	I made a mistake.
	I got it wrong.
	All my fancy analytics got me to a negative place.
	And your heuristics got you to a better place.
	And, you know, sadly, of course, a couple of years ago, he said, you know, like I have to worry about whether there's increased cancer risks.
	And John, I think he's an ex-nurse, wrote, had a video, an Italian study has revealed that those who received at least one dose of the COVID vaccine face a 34% increased risk of colorectal cancer, a 54% increased risk of breast cancer, and a 62% increased risk of bladder cancer relative to unvaccinated individuals.
	That is messed up.
	That is messed up.
	And beyond beyond sad, beyond tragic, beyond appalling, beyond horrible.
	You know, when I emerged out of the kind of cocoon that happened around COVID at the beginning, I went to my first visit to a healthcare professional.
	I don't want to say to get into details.
	It was nothing, just a regular checkup.
	My first visit to a healthcare professional.
	And the moment I said, I'm not taking the vaccine, the stories that came pouring out from everyone there were seriously horrifying about what had happened to people who'd taken this shit, this absolute shit.
	And it was really, it was really, it was really sad.
	It was really sad.
	I mean, for me, it was, I would say there was one day where I was like, oh, come on, maybe there's some regular old vaccine.
	Because, you know, I've taken vaccines over the course of my life.
	Oh, and some regular old vaccine I can take and all that.
	But anyway, I ended up not doing any of that.
	For me, it was mostly just around like my daughter's at no risk, right?
	I mean, I'm not really at any risk because I won't say I'm crazy healthy, but I am very healthy.
	I went to bargaining the other night with my daughter and we were there for an hour and a half, you know, climbing these steep hills and throwing herself down.
	And, you know, I mean, we went skiing not too long ago and did, you know, full day on the slopes.
	I can do most of what I want to do.
	I can still sprint if I need to.
	I can do just about everything that I want to do physically, which is pretty good, rock climbing and stuff.
	So I wouldn't say I'm crazy healthy, but I'm pretty healthy.
	So I didn't feel any particular risk.
	And certainly my daughter was at no risk.
	And that's just not good as a whole.
	And it really was, you know, I hate to say it because it's a rough thing to say, but I'll just be honest about how I feel.
	It was like a one, two, three punch to the IQ dispensary.
	That's all it was for me.
	It's COVID.
	Number one, they can't possibly say that it's safe and effective having only tested it for a couple of months.
	Like safe and effective for pregnant women.
	You didn't even test it for the length of an entire pregnancy.
	There's no follow-up.
	So that couldn't have been, that just wasn't true.
	Just wasn't true.
	So I now fucking lie.
	Number two, they wouldn't release the data.
	See those inserts where you're supposed to get all of the lists of the things that could happen?
	A lot of them are blank.
	And number three, they demanded immunity from liability.
	I asked Grok a week or two ago, and we went through, I went through a couple of iterations.
	Maybe I'll publish it on my platforms.
	But I went through Grok and said, okay, if it was the free market, how much would these vaccines have cost, right?
	Without mandates.
	And then it was challenging because he said, well, it would cost this much.
	It's like, okay, but if it costs that much, how many people won't pay it?
	Okay, then it's going to end up costing more.
	How much without mandates and so on?
	And then what if you would take away the liability?
	And taking away the liability was the final straw, right?
	Taking away the liability made it economically unproductive.
	Just straight up.
	So with Scott, with Mr. Adams, my understanding is his wife wanted to go on vacation to Greece.
	He didn't particularly want to go and he didn't particularly want to take the vax, but my understanding is he did it to please her, who I don't think did much to help him in his final year.
	And I was reading that she said she got cancer too.
	I don't know about that.
	I don't know if that was a joke or not.
	I saw the tweet.
	My cat doesn't have cancer.
	I do.
	I don't know if that's real or not.
	But, you know, for a lot of people, you know, when you're a guy and you get older, you start to, you know, think about what might happen to you that's going to take you out.
	And prostate cancer is one of these things that's not uncommon for old men.
	More ejaculations per month can really help keep you safe.
	But it's one of these things that's often kind of slow moving.
	Prostate cancer, a lot of times, from what I've read, is something you die with, not something you die of.
	And a lot of times it's just watchful waiting, I think is the phrase.
	They just keep an eye on it and so on.
	It's very slow moving.
	With Scott, it seemed to be astonishingly fast moving.
	Astonishingly fast moving.
	And the why of that will never be known.
	I mean, everyone can have their suspicions.
	But the why of that will never be known.
	So let me just get to your comments here before I sort of go on with my rant.
	Yeah, Scott Adams was pretty buff and healthy.
	He certainly was.
	He certainly was.
	He didn't like to eat.
	He ate very little.
	And he had abs in his 60s.
	I mean, very buff and healthy.
	And I remember he was very, very keen on the gym.
	And what he would say is, even when I can't do a workout, I'll just drive to the gym, stand there, so that I went to the gym.
	Why was his cancer so aggressive?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I heard some reports that he decided to eschale and went for the ivermectin root or whatever it was.
	I don't know if that's true or not.
	And maybe that didn't help.
	Maybe he pulled a Steve Jobs and decided to do something alternative.
	Maybe that made it too late.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Kay says, I didn't take it.
	My sister took it and collapsed and had myocarditis, but it's healed, but I'm sure there's long-term damage.
	Does myocarditis heal?
	Does it?
	I thought that heart muscle didn't really heal.
	I'm not.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, I definitely know some people.
	I know some people who, in my opinion, and it was like the next day, were horribly vaccinated, like directly.
	Just horrible.
	So Gates said it was 20 to 1 profit.
	We need some guardrails on capitalism.
	Well, of course, the vax had nothing to do with capitalism, the COVID vaccine.
	It had nothing to do with capitalism.
	I mean, so, of course, one of the things that happened with vaccines as a whole, I'm sure you were aware of this, is that the vaccine manufacturers was facing so many liability issues that they went to Ronald Reagan in the 80s,
	and you had the Vaccine Shield Liability Act or something like that, where the manufacturers of the vaccines were now immune from liability and liabilities were paid out of a government fund, and they're very hard to get.
	And the vaccine manufacturers said, we are getting so dinged by the courts for vaccine injuries that we can't do vaccines with this level of liability.
	So the government stepped in and erased that liability.
	So Yeah, your body produces spiked proteins.
	They go everywhere.
	They don't just stay in your arm and your body just keeps producing them.
	What were they, a year and a half?
	What's the last time I saw a study that your body just keeps producing and keeps producing these spikes that scratch up your body and it's not good at all?
	it's not good at all.
	Somebody asked, what's your opinion about Scott Adams' deathbed conversion to Christianity based on Pascal's wager?
	Well, God knows all.
	And I don't believe that God would be particularly impressed by a conversion not based on any virtues, not based on any faith, not based on any true belief, but just to kind of hedge your bets kind of thing.
	Yeah, Trump.
	Well, is Trump still protecting these tyrants?
	As far as I understand, it was it Rand Paul has sent criminal referrals just lying for Congress about Fauci and a couple of others and to the DOJ and the DOJ is simply refusing to act on these things.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't view the vaccine as Trump-specific.
	I don't view the vaccine as Trump-specific because everybody would have, like everybody who was in power would have done the same kind of thing, would have done the same kind of thing.
	There really isn't any different thing, right?
	Mainstream news is trying to sell the story that the COVID itself is calling all the issues and not the vaccine.
	I feel very lucky to get to hear you think and communicate, Sevan.
	Biggest thank you.
	Well, thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	Up here in Canada, the Liberal government was found to have violated the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada by preventing a free assembly for forms of protest with the trucker convoy, right?
	And they closed down people's bank accounts and shut down their financials without any warrants by declaring it an emergency.
Never Back Down 00:06:20
	And the court found that they had acted wrongly, that they had shut down the rights across the country and shut down people's bank accounts without any warrants or causes or proof, really.
	And they were found to have acted illegally in that manner.
	And then they spent over $2 million fighting it.
	And now a higher court has affirmed the decision of the lower court.
	And it's all complete nonsense.
	To strip the rights of millions of people and to shut down people's bank accounts and to have done it illegally should be jail time, of course, right?
	I mean, in any rational society, it would be straight up jail time, but it doesn't matter.
	I mean, they'll be found to, oh, it was wrong.
	And yeah, nothing's going to happen.
	You can't get justice in a state of society because everything's political.
	i suppose i don't i don't even yeah that's that's interesting it's like It's like listening to some dungeon master change the rules in a dungeons and dragon game.
	What does it really matter?
	Do anything, right?
	Yeah, if you donated to the conflict, you were concerned that the account was going to be frozen.
	Yeah, it was a scary time for sure.
	Somebody says, my ex wanted to vax the kids, fought her with all my might.
	I believed I saved them by winning that one.
	A guy at work and his brother got heart attacks within days of being vaxed.
	Yeah.
	So, look, I mean, with Scott and the message he put out a couple of years ago about the anti-vaxxers winning, I see somebody wants to call.
	We'll talk in a sec.
	I mean, honestly, and I'm open to the case here.
	I'm open to listening to all of this.
	What did we win?
	And I posed this question on eggs.
	What did we win?
	And people are like, well, you got to keep your health.
	It's that that's not a victory.
	Keeping what you already had before is not a victory.
	How is that a victory?
	I mean, how do you win by holding onto what you already had before?
	That's not a victory.
	That's just not as much of a loss.
	So, you know, to win the debate, like, how was COVID a win for everyone or anyone except sociopaths?
	Like, except people who just view you and I as NPC, tapioca body, Star Trek, Unitard, interchangeable productivity droids.
	Those who view us as tax serfs to be harvested for their own greed and pleasure, sadists, control freaks, nags, Karens, you know, like a third of them Canadians were so keen, super keen, super keen to inform on their neighbors.
	They loved it.
	They probably would have want COVID to go on and on so that they could inform on anyone who had more than two cars in the driveway.
	The mosque, Karen's and the Nags.
	They love that stuff.
	The drama, the excitement, the bullying.
	All the unloved people who take out their isolation and bitterness on everyone who's got a shred of red-blooded affection in their heart.
	Well, they had a great time.
	What did I win?
	What did you win?
	What did we get?
	What did we get?
	I didn't.
	What did I get?
	I mean, it had a role in my deplatforming.
	I'm never getting any of that back.
	I'm never going to get the five and a half years that I was in the wilderness.
	I'm never getting that back.
	Or the massive income drop, which I'm still trying to rebuild.
	Freedomain.com slash donate.
	If you'd like to help out, I would appreciate that.
	But what did we win?
	We got to see people get sick.
	We got to see people freak out.
	We got to see people rip off the mask of civility and show us the absolute ghoulish, vampiric bloodlust for power underneath.
	And I'm not just talking about the politicians.
	That's a given.
	I'm talking about everybody else who loved it.
	You know, all of the people who all of the people who, like those in East Germany, would get in with the Stasi and use them to take revenge.
	We got to see nurses dancing on TikTok.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I remember being in the States over COVID and had to go to a hospital again for nothing particularly deadly or anything.
	I just, and they were like, yes, nothing.
	We got nothing.
	We got nothing to do.
	Nothing's going on.
	Nothing's happening.
	And you got to see how insane healthcare providers are that they think during a pandemic that what makes sense is for us to see them doing shitty dances in the OR.
	Isn't that strange?
	Isn't that concerning?
	Right?
	I don't, I mean, what did we win?
Sacrifices of the Young 00:07:31
	We survived the biggest psychological warfare campaign in human history.
	We got to see friends of ours children locked in their bedrooms month after month, sometimes year after year.
	No sports, no playing outside, no sleepovers, no hangouts, no baseball, no dances, no goofing around in the hallways, no hacky sack in the quad, no dating, no love, no parties, no doing stupid things which teenagers are supposed to do, none of that.
	No knowledge gathering.
	Everybody was just cheating on their Zoom calls.
	Yeah, online learning was really, come on, it's ridiculous.
	And the young, and we're going to deal with this for a generation or two, the young lost absolute, complete faith in their society over COVID, 150%.
	And not all of that is conscious, but they lost absolute faith in their society because everyone panicked, everyone was a bully, and everyone was completely and totally fucking wrong.
	Oh, it saved millions of lives.
	That's all just made-up modeling, global warming shit.
	They got to see how everyone was so self-consciously dramatic.
	And all their leaders lied.
	And the media lied.
	And the social contract is broken.
	This was an illness that faced.
	This was an illness that caused no young people to die or even get really sick.
	I mean, unless you had some massive amounts of pre-existing comorbidities or ailments of other kinds, or your health was hanging by a thread anyway.
	This illness caused absolutely zero harm, generally speaking, to the young.
	In Canada, I'm not sure where it was elsewhere, the average age of people who died from COVID, if we even believe that, given that hospitals and other healthcare facilities were incentivized to write down COVID as the cause of death.
	Everybody knows that famous example of the guy who died in a motorcycle accident, tested positive COVID.
	It's COVID death, right?
	And then, of course, what they often did as well was any death that occurred within two weeks of the vaccination was considered a COVID death, in which they, I assume, jacked up the COVID death numbers.
	So, the society as a whole, and the young people in particular, saw this sort of vampiric predation from the aged, who like, society has to be locked up.
	Children have to use, lose years of their youth.
	IQ dropped, education dropped, and these have lasting effects for the rest of the, you know, if you happen to have the bad luck to graduate in the middle of a recession, you never get your earning potential back, ever, on average.
	And so, because those who were already beyond the average lifespan of the country and who had three or more comorbidities, right, other significant serious illnesses, those people were at risk.
	And the querulous old did not stand up and say, fuck, you're not going to take the youth away from the young.
	You're not going to take jobs away.
	you're not going to destroy businesses for the sake of us.
	Look, I'm in my, I'm 87.
	I've had I've had a good life.
	I'm old.
	I'm creaky.
	I've got three serious illnesses.
	Look, if I've got to go, I've got to go.
	But don't shut down everything in society.
	Don't threaten people.
	Don't lock the children in their home for months or years.
	Don't destroy their education, their youth, their goofiness, their dating, their everything.
	Don't shut all that stuff down for us.
	Because the old vote to send the young to war.
	The old will vote to send the young to war.
	And this was a situation where the aged might have to make some sacrifice when they're already half dying, take on a risk which wasn't even solved by turning over control of society to the government and the brutal repressions that occurred over COVID in varying degrees to varying places.
	But the old would take no sacrifices.
	I mean, we know this.
	It's the boomer generation, right?
	The old won't take any sacrifices.
	They won't give up any of their pensions.
	They won't give money to their young.
	They won't stop voting for more immigration to prop up their housing prices.
	They won't listen to reason.
	They won't listen to facts and evidence.
	So the covenant, which is that the old build trees whose shade they will never live under, that the old earn the respect of the young by refusing to sacrifice the young for the hypochondria of the aged or the fears.
	And it wasn't just hypochondria, there were genuine fears.
	But there's a covenant between the generations, which is we sacrifice ourselves for you when you're young, and we refuse to sacrifice yourself to us when we're old.
	I mean, can you imagine old people passing laws that say, well, I'm low on my liver.
	My liver is harmed my liver.
	So, you know, listen, we won't make it liver.
	Let's make it kidneys.
	My kidneys are one of my kidneys is failing.
	So we need to pass laws that young people have to donate their kidneys to keep me alive in pain for another six months.
	Now line up.
	Give me your kidneys.
	That would be vampiric and that would be appallingly predatory, but they did that with freedoms and liberties and youth and excitement.
	And of course, if you know people who had teenagers, my daughter was still pretty young six, seven years ago.
Panic After Destruction 00:08:41
	Sorry about that.
	But if you know people who had teenagers, it was a brutal time.
	Absolutely.
	Brutal time.
	What did we?
	What did we win?
	what did we win i couldn't go to my my father died over covid and i couldn't go to his funeral My father died over COVID and I couldn't go to his funeral.
	How was your daughter?
	Her guest appearance was always fun.
	I appreciate that.
	She's doing very well.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	So clear and powerful.
	Thank you, Stefan.
	Appreciate that.
	I'll never forget that they arrested a man for paddleboarding in the open ocean.
	Oh yeah, walking alone on a beach.
	You probably remember it was quite a vivid little 20-second video of a guy bicycling at fairly high speed down a country lane and some woman who was off to one side saying, not social distancing!
	Teachers in Australia, boy, you guys are losing everything when it comes to speech, man.
	I mean, I won't say I was warning you guys because it doesn't do any good.
	I mean, yeah, 2018, when I went out, I was warning everyone about the loss of free speech.
	And looks like the Bondi shooting has just the real thing that was taken down was any remnants of free speech.
	And I'm sorry about that.
	I was looking at five years online for upsetting people with no due process.
	Five years in prison for potentially for online comments that upset people, but there's no due process.
	I mean, it's it.
	It's over.
	Teachers in Australia were sent home for 18 months to teach from home online because I'm a casual teacher.
	I was out of work.
	When we returned about three months later, the unvaxxed were sent home for another year.
	I'm lucky I own properties, so survived on welfare, but teachers with mortgages took the fax.
	I would have lived in a tent before I took that fax, but I'm crazy.
	Don't say that about yourself.
	Do not say that about yourself.
	If you would not accept, listen, this is a good tip for people, right?
	If you would not accept someone saying that about your child, don't say it about yourself.
	Don't say it about yourself.
	If somebody were to say to your child, your child is crazy, just crazy, you'd be like, hey, no, right?
	don't refer to yourself in terms that you would not consider acceptable to your child.
	Thank you for continuing to speak on this.
	I hear very few willing to continue the discussion these days.
	Yeah, it's definitely down the memory hole.
	Yeah, I will tell at some point, I will tell the whole story of everything that happened to me and my family under COVID.
	It's pretty fucking harrowing, let me tell you.
	At some point, I will tell that story.
	Not yet.
	It's not time yet, but at some point.
	Okay, he says, I remember being devastated that my son's grandparents didn't care to see him for almost two years.
	He was a toddler.
	I was shocked.
	It's when I started, realizing I married into a bad family.
	Yeah.
	That was the biggest shock for me.
	You're a guy who knows history.
	Can you think of another example where the whole society consciously sacrificed the young for the old?
	Well, it does happen, of course.
	The young get sacrificed for the military-industrial complex, which goes back thousands and thousands of years, of course.
	So the young will get sacrificed for the elderly, the gerontocracy, the aristocracy, the kings, the princes, the nobles, and so on.
	They want to make money and establish their power and expand their power.
	And the bankers, of course, want to lend to everyone involved in the conflict at usurious rates of interest, which the government has to pay because if they lose the battle, then they might have a revolution at home.
	That's why the First World War went on for so long.
	It should have ended within six to eight months.
	That's when the governments ran out of money, but they couldn't get that many millions of people killed.
	And then just everyone goes back and the lines stay the same.
	So they had to keep going until there was some kind of decisive victory.
	And so it's usually like if you think of the pyramid, right?
	Usually it's the people at the top, and they tend to be old and male, not always, but often.
	And they will burn up the young, for sure.
	But when you think of it sort of like an inverted pyramid, that the old who are many are sacrificing and destroying the lives of the young who are few, that is very unusual.
	Government workers were the worst, says someone.
	They finally had some power in their life and abused it like crazy.
	Oh, yeah.
	There is a great and deep and abiding pleasure that human beings get from controlling others.
	That is a very, very big thing in the world as a whole.
	And you can understand why.
	I mean, bonobo monkeys get additional dopamine when they climb up the social hierarchy.
	We should want, we are driven with a desire to, or we are driven and motivated by the great joy of controlling others because it's so economically productive.
	Oh, is it too quiet here?
	Sorry.
	Microphone volume is low.
	I need to turn that up a little bit.
	I can barely hear it max volume.
	All right.
	Venice beast was utterly destroyed at the time.
	Yeah, they filled the Venetian Beach skate park with sad.
	Yeah.
	Somebody says, I took the vaccine.
	I am still here, as are the vast majority of people.
	It was definitely a very disturbing time, and people completely moved on as soon as the Ukraine war started.
	It seems like war gets rid of young men, so old men get young women.
	Yeah.
	War gets rid of young men to prevent revolutions.
	The First World War was instituted in many ways to destroy the old order.
	There were massive death taxes.
	The young were destroyed within my father's family, within my father's grandfather's family.
	Sorry, within my grandfather's family, four of the young men were killed in World War I within a relatively close period of time.
	And they this transferred a lot of money to women, which is one of the reasons why the vote came in, because you had to sort of leash women into the social hierarchy.
	And there were, you know, brutal death taxes.
	And the only way that you could deal with those death taxes was to sell off your land and so on.
	And this is why my ancestral family lands just got completely destroyed.
	Yeah, they definitely want a war now.
	They know a revolution is coming because people in Europe are really beginning to fucking finally begin to panic, as they should have for many years.
	But the people in Europe are finally beginning to panic, which is why you have these white male.
	We got to fight war.
	Everyone's a European.
	Every ethnicity is a European until it's time to go to war.
	And then it's all penis-based, tidy-whities up to the front, right?
	So, yeah, that's certainly happening.
	It's hard for most people to conceptualize just how evil many people in charge are.
	Most people.
	All right.
	So let's get to callers.
	You can call on X and let us get people into La Fray, into Le Conversation.
	All right.
	Sorry for those of you who came and went.
	Gen X Bitcoin, you are up.
	If you want to unmute, I'm happy to hear.
	What is on your mind?
	Hey, Stefan, good to hear you.
	Thanks for having me up.
	I've recently come across you and your discussions.
	I find them a value and lacking where I think a lot of people could benefit, not just on the topics you talk about.
Critical Thinking Among Youth 00:09:48
	So I appreciate you.
	I'll make this quick, just for context.
	I have been running a high school women's lacrosse program.
	I started doing that in 2018.
	And what a time to take a break from the big tech career and devote money to rebuild a program.
	And I want to say this for two reasons.
	One, just to give you context of what I saw.
	And I won't bore all of you because you all have your own stories, but it was absolutely disgusting what people were experiencing.
	And I think a lot of people were not aware of the effects on the kids and the lack of preparedness.
	Should that have been better or not?
	But the impacts, I think, were very much understated.
	Okay, sorry, I don't need to tell you how to tell your story, but I need some examples of what you're talking about because you're saying it was bad.
	I agree with you, but what in particular?
	Well, coaching high school girls, you do notice certain things about them as far as how often they might need to go to the restroom, what type of stress levels they're dealing with, menstrual cycles, stuff like that.
	After knowing anybody for a few years, you start to notice things with a large populace of kids.
	Another would be for those of us that refused to get vaccinated, the way that we were treated, the statements that they required us to agree to as we got tested every week, and how the policies for those of us who weren't vaccinated was different when it came to return the work if you tested positive at some point, which made zero sense whatsoever.
	So I really just came up just to maybe offer and get your opinion.
	You asked, well, what did we win?
	For me personally, when my daughter looks at me and she looks at that scenario and what happened, I know she looks at me as a critical thinker who made a good choice for the family.
	I did see many families where the kids and parents were at odds because the child just didn't have the faith that their parent was, you know, looking out and they were in opposition.
	It ruined the relationships.
	But my question to you is, I've had some time to think about, well, what did we win?
	What if we didn't have something like this happen to force people to critically think?
	Like, how much further would we have gone before it would have been something much worse?
	What are your thoughts on that?
	Well, I don't have anybody in my life really who took the vax.
	I mean, to me, if somebody was like, well, I have to or I can't provide for my family, I have great sympathy.
	And so I'm not going to.
	But the people who lined up and were keen and you got to take the vax and inform, I don't have anyone like that in my life.
	So I can't really tell or judge.
	I don't have anyone like that in my life, nor would I.
	But let me ask you this.
	So how has all of the critical thinking gone for the people who took the vax?
	Have they circled back?
	Have they said, oh my God, I can't believe I was so gullible.
	I can't believe I bullied everyone.
	They look into the dark-hearted Nietzschean mirror and I have become a monster.
	And like, how many people have Ratcheted up their critical thinking since COVID.
	That you know.
	Not very many, but how many?
	Just roughly.
	I haven't.
	I'll say this.
	I haven't had anybody personally admit to me that they were wrong for their part in whatever they were wrong about.
	Right.
	Because the best way to shut down people's critical thinking is to have them do some seriously evil shit.
	Because then they can't.
	Like the best way to have someone never process their own abuse is to turn them into an abuser of others.
	And so my concern is that by getting people to sign up to some seriously evil shit, people's critical thinking has been completely castrated.
	How can they be critical thinkers anymore?
	How can they say to the, well, kids, you really shouldn't bow to peer pressure.
	Well, kids, you shouldn't believe everything you read.
	And well, kids, you should really think for yourself.
	And well, kids, if everyone else was jumping off the Brooklyn bridge, would you jump off the Brooklyn bridge?
	Like all of this moral authority has completely caved in.
	How are people?
	And I have asked this on X a number of times.
	And, you know, how many people have apologized for the horrible stuff they did over COVID?
	How many people in your life?
	How many people in your family?
	How many people in your community?
	How many people at your work?
	How many people have apologized?
	Has if your doctor was paid to inject you with COVID and didn't reveal that, have they said, ooh, you know, I really didn't reveal my conflict of interest.
	And like there was one doctor in the States who said she gave up a million to a million and a half dollars by not pushing the vax on her patients.
	So how many people have owned up and thought clearly and been shocked into coherence over this appalling, appalling part of human history?
	I mean, it's going to be studied for centuries to come that half the world's population got injected with mystery DNA goop and just were like, sounds great.
	Govern me harder, Daddy.
	Yes, sir.
	My, I guess the optimist in me thinks that, well, this is something that that younger demographic saw and will remember.
	That's, I think, the positive side, despite the damaging, which I don't even know how you could quantify.
	Okay.
	And I think that's, I mean, that's certainly a possibility.
	Young people tend to be very skeptical of authority.
	And but one of the big challenges, of course, is that, let's say some kid was, I don't know, they went through COVID from 15 to 18, right?
	And they saw their teachers completely panicking and desperate to not come in and be, and they saw their politicians lying and they saw scientists lying and they saw their parents totally fold and go along with it and bully the kids into stuff and then not even admit fault afterwards.
	Not even admit fault afterwards.
	So let's say the kid went from 15 to 18 and let's say their kids, their parents were, I don't know, 40 to 43 or whatever it is, something like that, right?
	Maybe a little older, right?
	Okay.
	Let's, you know what?
	Let's just make it 45.
	They're 30 years older, right?
	So 15, 45 to 48.
	So 48, they're probably going to live for another 40 years.
	So you've got 40 years of no respect for the parents.
	And the grandparents as well, but that's less time, right?
	Less time.
	So, yeah, some kids are going to be skeptical.
	Some kids are going to be thinking clearly.
	But the problem is, and I'm sure you've gone through this too: when you start thinking clearly and asking cogent, rational, skeptical questions of those around you, so the kids go to their parents and say, How come you're all freaked out about this so much?
	How come you crumbled so much?
	How come you bullied everyone else so much?
	How come, how come, how come, how come?
	So, what happens to the relationships between the children and their parents and their grandparents?
	So, yeah, you can jolt people into some critical thinking, but it comes at the expense of any respect that they have for their society and also for their government, right?
	Because governments went totally haywire and power hungry, and their police.
	I mean, I'm sure there were a few cops who quit over this, but not many.
	So, yeah, I mean, they won't respect their teachers, they probably don't respect their doctors much.
	They don't respect the healthcare industry, they don't respect the media, they don't respect their parents, they don't respect their grandparents.
	So, you've got some critical thinking, but oh my God, oh my God.
	I mean, is that ever a brutal, brutal separation and destruction of respect from child to parents?
	And that's a brutal price to pay.
	Stephan, you mentioned, you kind of took the words out of my mouth of the perhaps it was just the way that I was raised, whether it was right or not, but we are supposed to set up the youth better.
	And you said it in a much more eloquent way, but that was a failure in a way that I saw a lot of people.
	And maybe this is age demographic and even gender demographic of what kids see in high school today.
Why Antibodies Matter 00:05:12
	I did have a kid there at the time as well that it was very ill-equipped.
	We were very ill-equipped, and a lot of people did fold for economic reasons.
	They were not in a position to seek and control their lives freely and made that as the excuse as to why they took it, whether that was the case or not.
	That is not a terrible excuse.
	So, if the parents said, I hate it, but I have to do it because I'm compelled, okay, then we have sympathy for that, right?
	I'm not talking about the parents who were compelled.
	Like earlier, you may have been listening or not, but I was talking about how I don't hold people at fault if they just had to feed their families and so they had to get the vacc or whatever it is, right?
	Okay, that's tough, and that that's on the government and on the media, not on individuals.
	But and especially for the more intelligent thing, I mean, I'm sure you went through this as we all did.
	Where when I was a kid, you didn't need a vaccine if you'd already had the illness because natural immunity is better, right?
	The point of a vaccine is to put an inactivated virus in to train your immune system to attack it.
	I mean, the non-mRNA vaccines, and so and you have Fauci sitting there saying, Oh, natural immunity, masks don't matter, natural immunity is way better, and masks don't work.
	And then suddenly, natural immunity didn't matter at all.
	It didn't matter at all because, of course, you would test for antibodies.
	And if people had antibodies, in other words, if they'd already had COVID, they shouldn't have taken a vaccine.
	They had 13 times better broad-spectrum immunity as opposed to, you know, the vaccine was developed for a variant that wasn't even out there by the time people were getting vaccinated.
	It was like a flu two years later.
	So, natural immunity, which is a foundation of biology and healthcare and the foundation of vaccines as a whole, suddenly when there were $100 billion on the line, didn't fucking matter at all.
	Nobody referenced it.
	It ceased to exist.
	And Fauci did a complete 180, as did a lot of other healthcare people, where they simply pivoted to pretending that natural immunity wasn't a thing and didn't exist and wasn't valuable and wasn't valid.
	And everyone had to get vaccinated anyway.
	That's just greed.
	Greed and destruction.
	Because you could have opened the schools.
	Absolutely.
	You test the teachers for antibodies.
	Let's say, you know, freaked out.
	This is just my opinion, right?
	I'm not a doctor.
	It's just my idiot opinion, right?
	But what you do is you test teachers to find out who's had COVID, even prior, even prior to the vaccine.
	Hey, hey, who's had COVID?
	And you test the kids, who's had COVID or whatever.
	And everyone has had COVID, everyone has got antibodies, off you go back to school.
	And that could have done it.
	Now, given also that COVID was not dangerous to kids, if I were some dictator of the universe, I would say, okay, so if the teachers are worried, then fine.
	We'll just take the teachers who've already had exposure to it, which a lot of people had already had.
	So we'll put the teachers back in the school.
	They've got natural immunity.
	It's not dangerous for the kids.
	So blah, blah, blah.
	You say, ah, yes, well, the kids could get it.
	And then the kids could take it home.
	Because, you know, that was the Rachel Manner thing.
	You know, this virus stops, this vaccine stops the virus in its tracks, right?
	Which turned out to not.
	They didn't even test for it.
	And it didn't turn out to be true anyway.
	And what it did do by suppressing symptoms, if that's what it did, it had people be more out there in the world.
	One of the reasons why we get sick when we get tired or we lie in bed is we don't go out and infect everyone, right?
	And so by suppressing symptoms and making you feel like you weren't sick when you were, it had you out there spreading the virus, right?
	So virus was going to spread anyway.
	I mean, you can't, you can only do so much with airborne articles.
	And of course, at the very beginning, you could have cut COVID down by 97% simply by shutting off travel from China.
	But what are the Democrats doing?
	Keep it open.
	It's racist to close the borders.
	Oh, and by the way, come on down to Chinatown.
	We've got fresh pangolins on a stick.
	So yeah, it was all completely mad.
	It was all completely greed-driven and fear-driven.
	And just about everyone crumbled.
	Like I think up here in Canada, like 15% of people didn't take the vaccine.
	Some of those were for reasons other than personal integrity.
	And so you got maybe one out of 10 people who could think for themselves.
	And what did we win?
	We were attacked.
	We had our rights stripped away.
	Our children suffered enormously.
	Yeah.
	And I don't like, you know, what they call a pyrrhic victory, right?
	They made a desert and called it peace.
	Epiric victory is, hey, we won, but there's no city here anymore.
Blood Boiling Dangers 00:15:31
	And now, now you've got this great giant, bloody fucking elephant in the middle of society that nobody's going to talk about.
	Nobody's going to talk about.
	I do.
	You know, if I'm talking to people, I'm like, yeah, COVID was pretty crazy, right?
	Everyone gets kind of tense.
	And it's like, now we've got a topic that people are going to avoid because they don't want to look in the mirror.
	And they say, well, you know, if there was a totalitarian regime, I ain't Oscar Schindler.
	I'm informing, right?
	Stefan, I'm going to make some room for you to have some other guests, but if I can, I just want to say, you know, where was the discussions about, so I have, I had one girl in particular who was about 240 pounds, five foot two, freshman year, first year in high school.
	Through this period, and I'm not touting my horn.
	This is just something a lot of people out there who are working in other programs that don't pay money because they don't get emphasis.
	But that kid was finishing the mile in a faster time by her second year.
	And I watched a complete reduction of her weight, her mental stability coming from a we have a program in the U.S. called McKinney Vinto.
	It's kids who've come out of any abusive type situation or in temporary housing.
	And we're notified of which those kids are so that we keep an eye out for things you can imagine, which suck that we look out for.
	But for, I'm only going to say this just for context because there's a lot of other misinformation that people have the ability to know for themselves.
	This seven-year period of me funding that program, yeah, I get paid like three grand a year as the head of the program, all fundraised.
	But if it had not been for me learning Bitcoin, I'm on the technical side, that helped me do something at a time that I thought was important for something that I thought was important that I didn't know was coming for me.
	And I say this only because a lot of people look at instruments or something to save money in, and they think about it from just a get-rich standpoint.
	Well, what about having some control over your life and the decisions that you make?
	So, yeah.
	Thanks.
	No, I appreciate that.
	And thank you.
	Thank you for the call.
	I mean, there was no discussion of unintended consequences or, you know, there's no solutions in these kinds of situations.
	There's just trade-offs.
	And having grown up in an abusive household myself, can you imagine you're now locked in with your perhaps, what did they say, PDF file these days as a way to maybe get around the censorship?
	But yeah, maybe you've got a PDF file as a father or a mother, and now you're locked in for a year.
	School was my only escape.
	You locked in with an abuser.
	This is why teen suicide and child suicide went through the roof.
	And I remember, of course, the churches were closed, but the beer and liquor stores were open.
	And, well, because the people who drink have got to get their drinks.
	I know this would be a great way to have them stop, right?
	But there was no discussion of, it was just, this is what we got to do.
	No discussion of nuance, no discussion of sort of the basic public choice theory, which is, okay, so we lock kids in at home, and obesity is one of the things that is really bad for COVID for a variety of reasons.
	And so, well, we lock kids in, they're not running around, they're not playing, they're not getting sunshine, so they're going to get sick, they're going to get fat.
	That's bad.
	Is it worse or better than COVID for kids to get fat?
	In my view, statistically, it's way worse for them to get fat, have their bones softened.
	You know, you got kids coming into school now, they can't even grip pencils.
	There's so little playtime outside running around, catching things, throwing things, climbing trees, monkey bars, stuff like that, baseball.
	They can't hold.
	They have to give them play-doh to rip and grabble so that they can hold pens.
	Pencils.
	Kids are going to get depressed.
	Kids aren't going to get sunlight.
	More seasonal affective disorder.
	How about particularly children where there's a large age gap or only children can't play with other children for a year or two, maybe?
	The playgrounds were all taped up.
	What happens to people who can't socialize?
	What happens to their mental health?
	What happens to their stability?
	What happens to their anxiety?
	What happens to their mental development?
	Nobody cared.
	It was never talked about.
	It was never asked.
	All right.
	Okay, so thank you for your patience.
	Astro, I love you in yogurt form, man.
	What's on your mind?
	Are you asking me?
	Yes.
	Hi, thank you for having me on the show, Stefan.
	How are you doing?
	I'm well.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	My blood is boiling, though, after seeing that white baby killed in that daycare in Minnesota.
	One of many.
	I kind of don't want to really go on and on.
	I'm just thinking about everything.
	I have a child.
	He's nine months old, a baby boy.
	This is the black woman, the Haitian woman, who killed the child, right?
	Because she wanted attention.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And I mean, there's thousands and millions of them.
	I can go on and on.
	There was one boy, was he in, was it the Midwest or the South?
	And his child killer was let out like what, like something ridiculous, like five years later or something.
	Regardless, the point I want to get to is I would really like a second child, but I don't feel safe in this environment to have a second white child.
	And people will say, oh, this is or that, or like, yeah, obviously I know how to probably avoid that, but look at the one white woman in, what was her name?
	It was somewhere in the South, too.
	She was mining her business in her own friend's house, white friend, and a black criminal, career criminal left out, you know, hundreds of times, broke into the house and killed her, execution style.
	Nothing happens.
	Irina Zaruska, nothing, not even a protest, nothing.
	And it's like, what is the incentive to even have a second white kid?
	And I hate to even say that because I really want one.
	You know, I really want my father, rest in peace, I love him.
	If that were to happen to me, he would spend the rest of his life in prison.
	Just at what point, what do we do?
	Like, I understand, you know, we got the government holding us gunpoint, but at a certain point, like, what do we even do?
	You know, what's the point?
	And if that were to happen to my son somewhere on the street, if my husband and I were to take real justice in our own hands, because we know the justice system is a fucking joke, we will be in prison the rest of our lives.
	What is even the point?
	My blood is just boiling, and I'm starting to feel a little bit black pilled, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Any ideas?
	Any positivity?
	I don't know.
	No, listen, I mean, crime is a big issue.
	Somebody posted today stuff that I talked about many years ago.
	And just the black crime in New York, like 1% of the shooters, right?
	People who discharge guns, 1% of the shooters are classified as white.
	And that generally means that non-whites, you can see all of these black and Hispanic guys being classified as white in these criminal roles.
	But, you know, look, I don't have any perfect answers for you, but I will tell you this: that the world is trying to make everyone, particularly smart people, despair about the future.
	Don't let them win.
	Now, that doesn't mean pretend like there's no dangers in the world.
	You have to take your precautions out there in the world for sure.
	But our ancestors had children in the middle of ice ages.
	Our ancestors had children when there was no food, when there was war, when there was, you know, our ancestors continued to have children when the black death was slaughtering.
	Hey, China, thanks for all these viruses throughout history.
	It's just fantastic.
	If you all could stop eating everything that fucking moves, I'd be thrilled.
	But our ancestors had children after World War I. There was a baby boom after World War II under the threat of nuclear war.
	And don't let the social media cloud you to thinking that this is happening everywhere around you.
	Because, you know, our brains are kind of wired that way.
	We're not wired for TV or movies or social media or anything like that.
	So when we see something like this, this horrible murder of the white girl by the black daycare worker, well, we think that it's just down the road.
	We think it's kind of, you know, like our brains haven't really figured that out.
	It's why movies work and I guess why pornography works for some people.
	So don't let what are very rare occurrences program you to think that they're happening left, right, and center, front and back.
	Like I worked in a daycare for many years.
	Half the staff there were black.
	They were pretty nice.
	I mean, one of the women who was from Jamaica was very loud and very aggressive.
	And I had to really be aggressive back to get her to stop putting me down in front of the kids.
	But, you know, that's just normal tussles.
	It's not like every white woman has always been perfect or every Asian woman or anything like that.
	So I worked with a bunch of black women in daycare for many years and they were fine.
	They were nice.
	They were nice.
	They were good.
	And so part of the reason why this stuff has floated up, like not a lot of what you see is organic.
	A lot of it is part of fifth generation warfare, which is to program you to avoid having kids, to be so anxious that you can't pair bond, to be so scared and neurotic.
	And I don't mean this you, like all of us, right?
	Where you think that imminent dangers are occurring when they're not.
	So the media will always tell you, it will always exaggerate the dangers that are there and will always, always downplay the real dangers, right?
	So there are dangers that are out there that are very rare and the media will just have those in your face all the time.
	There are other dangers that are very real that they won't talk about, which we can talk about another time.
	But don't, don't, don't let people who have bottomless ill will towards you convince you to despair and give up about the world.
	Europeans, whites, Asians, blacks, every single ethnicity and race has faced challenges that appear to be absolutely overwhelming.
	I mean, I'm sure you're aware, but back in the last ice age, humanity was down to 11,000 people.
	11,000 people.
	That's it.
	And we got our way back from that.
	And think of the Mongolians under Genghis Khan.
	Think of the poor North Koreans locked in the world's biggest open-air human prison of North Korea.
	Think of the Russians.
	70 years of communism.
	70 million people murdered.
	They came back from it.
	So there will be people who are going to frighten you into sterility.
	And don't let them win.
	And the reason why you shouldn't let them win also is because your child deserves a sibling.
	You know, I've had to work pretty hard to make sure that my daughter is not one of those only children oddballs, right?
	Because I was both, I have a brother, but for some portions of my life, I was an only child because my brother was away at boarding school or my brother was in England staying with relatives for a couple of years when I was in my early teens.
	And that's when my mother ended up being institutionalized.
	So I've done both the have a brother and done the only sibling thing.
	And it's very, very hard to stay grounded when you're an only sibling.
	It's very hard to get.
	social skills that are horizontal because you spend all your time with adults or alone.
	And so if you want another child, don't let Twitter take that away from you.
	Don't let rare criminal occurrences program you into thinking that this criminality is all around you and your child is going to get taken or beaten up.
	Or, you know, you can do things to, I mean, don't send your kid to government schools, in my opinion, if that's possible for you as a whole and teach your children some basic, you know, street proofing, stranger danger, and all of that, and they'll be fine.
	But these things are quite rare.
	You know, advances in DNA and all these video cameras and so on are just telephones.
	Like, I mean, the fact that you can, I remember when I was in university, I lived in a frat house for a year, and there was a woman there who cooked meals for the frat boys.
	She came in every evening, cooked a whackload of chili or whatever it was.
	And I remember sitting with her, having some food, and she was telling me all about how there was a guy who kept calling her and heavy breathing into the phone.
	Because this is back before you could have caller ID, back before you.
	So all of that creepy stuff that men, and I'm sure some women used to do to sort of alarm and frighten and terrify people and so on.
	That stuff's largely gone by the wayside.
	So some things are worse, some things are better.
	Don't let people who hate you convince you not to bring beautiful new life.
	And don't make your child go through life alone.
	Don't make your child go through life alone.
	Give your child a sibling, if it's at all possible, so that your child, especially if you listen to shows like this, you think for yourself, you got to give two, if you at all can.
	Because your child, because you listen to philosophy and you think for yourself and you're skeptical and you're rational, your child is going to face a lot of isolation without a sibling.
Give Them a Companion 00:01:34
	With a sibling, at least there's two of them who can talk to each other and have the same beginning, the same origin story, the same lore, the same backstory, the same patterns of thinking or just thinking.
	But if you have just an only child, where are they going to fit in if you raise them to be skeptical, individuated thinkers?
	They're not common.
	Give them a sibling, defy your enemies, give him a companion, give her a companion.
	And then they'll never be alone as long as their sibling is around, because there'll always be someone who was taught how to think in the way that they were.
	And they won't have to go out there and try and pan for gold, looking for a ruby in a mountain of something or other.
	But there ain't no coup de ville hiding in the bottom of a cracker jack box.
	And so, yeah, don't have them looking for a, you never drink drill for oil on a sandy beach or something like that, right?
	So have your kid have another kid or have another kid with your kid so that they have a companion and don't need to go out there in the cold, crazy world trying to find someone who thinks as well.
	They'll always have someone that they can talk to.
Different Agreements 00:03:06
	And I think that's really, really important.
	And don't let the people who hate you tell you whether you can bring life into this world or not.
	You can bring life into this world, and life is in many ways safer than it used to be.
	And you want to have a big family, continue the bloodline, grow it as much as possible, because the world may be overpopulated, but it ain't overpopulated by people like you and me, sister.
	Those are all some very decent points.
	Thank you.
	Only ones I kind of disagree on that it's very rare.
	And, oh, but there's a lot of nice black people.
	I think we need to be segregated.
	And the other difference between, you know, the 50s or in before is we didn't have the state on our necks that if we ever did justice or even just defended ourselves with 100% proof.
	So it's a little bit different.
	Well, I agree with a lot of your points.
	Yeah, I don't agree with the segregation thing.
	I'm a free market guy.
	So people should just be able to live wherever they want and have whatever communities they want.
	But I will say this, though.
	So it's easy to look at the government and say we've got it really tough right now.
	And of course, in some ways, that's true.
	But tax rates for some people were higher in the past.
	And what we don't have these days in most countries, certainly in the West, men aren't getting drafted and blown up on a regular basis.
	So I understand they're not forced to go die for a state.
	That's the win.
	Right.
	I mean, governments in the 20th century, even outside of war, murdered 250 million of their own citizens.
	Like, that's not even including war.
	And so for women, I understand that there's a perception of danger, which can be real.
	Check the data.
	Don't just go with anecdotes, right?
	The stuff that really pops up on your feed.
	Again, you think that's next door or right across the street.
	And we all do, like in our lizard brain.
	I mean, I grew up in a diverse area in California, and I almost could have gotten beaten and raped and taken out of my car by my MS-13 gay member in my driveway.
	So maybe I just have different experiences.
	I understand that, but you can look for safer neighborhoods, right?
	True.
	Yeah.
	It's harder, you know, and economically, it's harder, but yes.
	Well, not always.
	No, not always.
	You know, if I was sort of starting out my career at the moment, I would do everything in my power to find some way to work remotely so that I could go out to the country where things tend to be safer.
	Yeah.
	Or small towns or something.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	No, you're fine.
	Yeah.
	No, your points are valid too, that if none of us have kids, I guess the only one I can really go with the most is, yeah, I don't want my son having no sibling and being alone, especially in this world with, you know, the way we see the world.
Cost-Benefit of Freedom Speech 00:15:19
	And then the second one, which is like, don't let them win.
	And they do want us to let them win and not even have any children.
	So that is a fair point.
	Oh, excuse me.
	My baby dropped the remote.
	All right.
	Well, you don't have to start during the actual conversation, but I hope that you will have another baby.
	And I do really appreciate that.
	Or more than one.
	All right.
	Somebody has been waiting.
	D L V. Sorry, I have to do this tiny, this tiny thing on my phone.
	Sorry, I don't mean to complain about this every single time, but I'm probably going to end up doing it anyway.
	All right.
	So let's get you up.
	There we go.
	All right.
	DLV, if you wanted to speak, I'd love to hear what's on your mind.
	Hello, Steph.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes, sir.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, Steph.
	Longtime listener.
	First time caller.
	So pleasure to be here.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, I have a call and feel free to come in off it that's not relevant to the conversation at hand, but on the phenomenon where high IQ people are capable of talking themselves into or believing very stupid or obviously false things.
	I think you've alluded to it a few times.
	And I kind of want your take on it.
	Because I looked at a lot of the stupidest ideas that are prevalent in the world today.
	Let's say something like transgenderism, the idea of a man to become a woman.
	I feel it's actually oftentimes higher IQ people with high verbal acuity that tend to be more likely to believe things that are so obviously false.
	And then oftentimes people who are a little bit lower IQ or more middling IQ at a gulp level, they can just sense that something is wrong about it, even if they can't articulate it.
	And my sense is a little bit higher IQ people are capable of talking themselves into believing these dumber things, or maybe they're more susceptible to certain types of propaganda.
	But I've been quite able to put my finger on it and you're really fascinated to get your take.
	Yeah, it's a very interesting question.
	My personal belief is that nature is quite the dice roller, right?
	You can get people with male characteristics.
	You can get people with female characteristics.
	You can get hermaphrodites and so on.
	I do believe personally, this is just my opinion.
	I think it will be borne out by science over time.
	I think it's perfectly possible that a male brain can be born in a female body and a female brain can be born in a male body and somebody can feel like they're a female and then look down and see a dangly bit and be kind of shocked and appalled and so on.
	So I certainly think that's possible.
	Again, nature is quite the dice roller.
	Now, as far as intelligent people, let's take something like socialism or something that I'm a little bit more familiar with.
	So, I mean, socialism is obviously deranged and crazy and foolish.
	It's fine within the family, but it's terrible within the government, within society as a whole, by force.
	So why is it that smart people can talk themselves into things that don't make any sense?
	Well, I would argue that smart people have also evolved to say a lot of false things in order to get social resources.
	In other words, smart people will say, oh, my gosh, if I talk about this, this or this topic, I'm going to be shut out of higher education.
	I'm going to be shut out of the top of the business world.
	I'm going to be shut out of a job.
	I'm going to, whatever it is, right?
	Like you've probably seen this meme, which is like, you know, a black woman invented the telescope.
	You might not believe it.
	You might even have evidence to the contrary, but is it worth losing your job over?
	Right.
	And that's sort of a real phenomenon that if you sort of say things that are true, but are unaccepted, and this isn't a new phenomenon, right?
	I mean, if you were a super smart guy in just about any society in the past and you started having really skeptical questions about religion, I have a whole novel about this called Just Poor, you often didn't do very well.
	You could be ostracized, you could be killed, you could be imprisoned, or you could just not really succeed very much because you made people too uncomfortable and upset.
	So high IQ people tend to be very adaptable and they tend to go, quote, crazy when success in the society requires that they adapt themselves to things that are crazy and false.
	And you can see this as political correctness as a whole, like the idea that affirmative action is not just anti-white racism.
	I mean, of course it is anti-white racism, no question, right?
	And the idea that any disproportionate numbers in any field means sexism or racism or whatever it is.
	It's like, well, women have been getting the majority of graduate degrees for the last 40 years or so, and yet nobody ever says, well, that's clearly the result of anti-male sexism and so on, right?
	So things like affirmative action are racist and sexist to the core and encoded in law.
	This is the great big revolution of the original constitution was equality of opportunity, the right to the pursuit of happiness, not to the achievement of success.
	That was flipped in the 60s through the Civil Rights Act to equality of outcome, which gives the government almost infinite power.
	Because, you know, if you have a race, everyone just starts at the beginning, it ends where they end.
	If everyone's got to run at the same speed, then you've got to micromanage everyone and it'll never end.
	And so, because you tell the front people to slow down, then the slow people slow down because they can take it more easily.
	Then you tell them to speed up, but then the people in the front speed up and you just have to micromanage everyone in a race where everyone's got to end up at the same place.
	And so smart people convince themselves of nonsense because when you have a society where nonsense is required to succeed, saying nonsense is required to succeed, then smart people adapt to that.
	I don't think they genuinely believe the nonsense, but they know that if you don't kiss the foot of the tiger god, then you can't succeed in that society.
	So you convince yourself that, you know, yeah, sure, target god sounds good because it's a lot easier if you kind of convince yourself that something is true to follow it rather than if you're fighting it every step of the way.
	So I think that smart people are just adapting to the requirements.
	And the requirements certainly over my lifetime have shifted from traditional Aristotelian objectivity and rationality, you know, to this crazy equality of outcome, micromanaging and bullying of everything and everyone in society.
	Yeah, you know, thanks.
	Thanks a lot for that.
	And I mean, another area where I tend to see this phenomenon a lot is, let's say, if you look in Europe, sometimes the mass migration debate.
	For me, the idea that you're going to import by the millions, tens of millions people from dysfunctional third world countries into first world countries and it's going to all go great, that to me is one of the most stupid and dangerous things a person can believe.
	It's a lot more stupid and dangerous than believing that the world is flat in terms of its practical application.
	But I look at that.
	Sorry, but we don't know what Europeans believe because they don't have freedom of speech.
	So we don't know.
	What we do know, we do know that this sort of migration stuff is a government program.
	Right.
	Right.
	So we know that it's funded by the government.
	And we also, you've seen these videos where somebody says, do you support importing people from, I don't know, Haiti or Somalia or whatever.
	And they say yes.
	And then they say, oh, because we have this guy from, can he come to your house?
	And what do people say?
	Yeah, they always say, they always say, no, I'm busy.
	No, no, no, it's too small.
	I'm busy.
	I'm moving.
	My grandmother is here and blah, blah, blah.
	Right.
	So, yeah, I don't know what people in Europe as a whole believe because they don't really have freedom of speech.
	You could be a little bit more certain, a little bit more certain of what people believe in America because America is the only country with the First Amendment.
	But even then, of course, you know, I mean, I'm not American, but I got deplatformed from a lot of places in America, largely as the result of American activists.
	And so it's hard to know what people actually believe.
	But we do know that I'm fine with open borders.
	I genuinely am fine.
	I wrote about this in my novel, The Future.
	I'm fine with open borders, but there's got to be no welfare state.
	There's got to be no income redistribution.
	And there's got to be freedom of speech.
	And so people can discuss these things openly and not be forced to fund them.
	And then, hey, man, whatever people want to do, they can do.
	I would imagine that if somebody wanted to sponsor someone coming in from another country, if that person was dysfunctional, then the person who sponsored them would have to pay for everything.
	And if the person committed a crime, they'd both go to jail.
	And then we'd see how many people were keen on this kind of stuff.
	But yeah, right now, it's not anything that's coming organically out of the people.
	It's being imposed brutally, I think, in general from top down.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
	And look, I'm ANCAF as well.
	So I do believe that, you know, in a fully private country, I'd be fine with immigration coming in because they wouldn't have a welfare state to leech off of.
	They'd have to be invited.
	But yeah, it is just always interesting.
	Like you said, we don't know exactly what Europeans believe.
	I mean, I'm half European myself, but we, it's just that a lot of the people I see pushing for a lot of these policies, they're not dumb.
	These are higher IQ people that tend to have higher level of verbal reasoning.
	They speak very well.
	And interestingly, oftentimes it's the people that I feel are maybe not quite as intelligent, maybe not as well educated, maybe not as high IQ.
	But I feel like they're capable of trusting their guts at a deeper level than others are.
	So they can sense, hey, having millions of these people moving in all at once, it just feels wrong.
	And maybe they can't articulate it in the same way as a higher IQ person can.
	I'm sorry to interrupt you.
	But, okay, so let's say that you're a smart person in Europe.
	Let's say you're not a big fan of mass migration.
	So we do all of us, I shouldn't say, I think, I think, I think all of us, but don't we all have to do a cost-benefit analysis?
	Right?
	So don't we all have to say, well, I could talk about this topic.
	What is the cost-benefit analysis?
	Am I likely to change anything?
	No.
	Am I likely to get a lot of blowback?
	Yes.
	And so like there are some people who will just like on principle and, you know, God love them.
	I think I think they're great.
	I think I'm pretty good on principle.
	I'm not 100% on principle.
	There's stuff I don't particularly want to get involved in.
	I've said that very openly because the cost, and I understand that the purpose is to make the cost benefit not worth it.
	And that's part of the lack of freedom of speech.
	I get all of that for sure.
	But we still do have to, especially if, you know, we got family and all of that.
	We do have to, you know, pick our battles.
	This is something I wrote when I was 23, that the truth is not a sword to be drawn at all costs, right?
	And, you know, sometimes he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day.
	And I think there's value in that.
	There's no heroism in walking straight into machine gun fire unless you're the Al Gadot or something like that.
	So I think in Europe, they're saying, okay, and this is part of the whole, right?
	This is the cost-benefit stuff, right?
	The cost-benefit.
	And so everyone kind of has to make that decision themselves, right?
	So if you have a, let's say you have a mother, she's pretty nice, but she's kind of woke.
	And maybe you want to bring some criticisms of wokeness to her, but she kind of freaks out.
	And then, you know, she won't help you with your kids.
	And maybe you've got an inheritance coming.
	I mean, just making stuff up, right?
	Now, there are some people who are like, well, I'm going to tell the truth no matter what.
	But those people are virtually non-existent in the world, honestly.
	Like you could say it's autistic, but I mean, I don't want to insult people like that.
	But, you know, there are not many people who are going to want to voluntarily go up on the cross and get their hands and feet nailed to wood.
	Right.
	And so for me, I'm a big one for the Aristotelian mean.
	Like too much courage is foolhardiness.
	Too little courage is cowardice.
	And you've got to find that balance.
	And it's a real balancing act.
	It's a real high wire act.
	You want to get maximum truth across for your whole life.
	And that means you've got to pull back sometimes in the same way that your army can't just march and march and march.
	They have to stop and rest.
	You have to let the supply lines catch up.
	You can't just march all the time.
	You have to, like, war is like a heartbeat.
	You attack, you retreat, you move around.
	So you've got to be nimble, like a commando or a revolutionary or something like that.
	So I think that there is a cost-benefit.
	And the machinery that is going on that seems to be doing a lot of harm to Europe, well, that's a very big, powerful machinery.
	And the people who run that machinery, they run, what do they run?
	They run the banking system.
	They run a lot of the media.
	They run the government educational system.
	They run the third plus of people who work for the government.
	They run the unions.
	They run just about everything.
	And they control just about all the jobs through regulations and things like that.
	So, you know, one person with a microphone, what can be done against that monolith by one individual in the short run?
	We hope, of course, that the accumulation of knowledge and wisdom in the long run is going to change things, but you can't stand as one guy when a tank army is coming towards you when they're willing to destroy you like that, which they are.
	So I think that I have sympathy for people who decide to hold their peace or maybe talk privately or maybe do other ways of getting their opinions and perspective across.
	Because as you know, I mean, particularly in the UK, I mean, they're jailing people for some pretty, you know, what in America would be considered some pretty mild stuff.
	People are going to jail for a long time for.
	And as I mentioned earlier, Australia looks to be pretty bad this way.
	So you have to, to me, you have to pick your battles.
	Now, if you're a single guy and you've got nobody in your life and you want to speak the truth and take whatever negative consequences, hey, speak the truth, right?
	But most of us, I think most of us have to do a cost-benefit analysis and do the maximum truth we can and push forward what is real and factual as much as we can, but not to the point where we end up on a cross, if that makes sense.
	No, no, absolutely.
	Absolutely there.
	And there's fairly terrifying what is happening in Europe at the moment.
	Yeah, I mean, really, I often think that Europe just basically died in 1914 and the rest of it's just been Twitches.
	I think you've alluded to this a few times as well, the idea that, hey, a lot of the best men in Europe, either they went to the United States or they were killed in the two world wars.
Government Adjacent Acknowledgments 00:09:41
	Yeah.
	I don't know how true that is, but it seems like.
	Well, I think there's definitely some truth in it for sure.
	And there's an argument that woke is just women taking over institutions, which is fine.
	It's just that when women take over government institutions, then you start to get a lot of dysfunction relative to what men want to do, because women fight with words, which means when women get into power, they put in hate speech laws because that's how they fight with each other is through words.
	So they view words more violent in many ways, which is why you get hate speech laws and soft on crime, because men fight with physical violence usually, and women fight with words.
	So women are often more concerned with controlling speech than even controlling violence because they often feel that men will just protect them no matter what, which is kind of true.
	All right.
	Is there anything else that you wanted to mention?
	No, this was great.
	Absolute pleasure to speak to you, sir.
	Thank you so much.
	And I appreciate you listening to the show.
	And I hope that you will continue to do so.
	All right.
	We have, I'm not going to read that out.
	Khamenei.
	Come any closer, and I'm going to fall for your love.
	What's on your mind, my friend?
	Hello.
	Hello.
	I actually changed my name, but I think you're still seeing the old one.
	All right.
	Well, thanks for having me.
	I'm actually, I happen to be one of those immigrants from a very dysfunctional country.
	And I've heard your stories about having a dysfunctional family.
	I've had a dysfunctional family and a very abusive country as a whole.
	I guess we all have, but I guess the extent.
	No, no, not everyone.
	Not everyone.
	I am really sorry about all of that, but go ahead.
	Well, I meant abusive countries.
	I think every country abuses its citizens, but mine probably tenfold or a hundredfold compared to, let's say, Canada or the United States.
	Right, right.
	Yeah, I'm sorry for that too, because it's rough, man, especially if you're one of the smarter people in a maybe not so super smart country.
	It's even more tortuous, I imagine.
	Yes, the average we actually spoke about this 10 years ago.
	I don't know if you recall, but I was your first caller in 2016.
	It's almost 10 years today.
	My past two weeks.
	You sound exactly the same.
	Your voice hasn't aged a bit.
	Good for you.
	You must be massaging it and putting lots of cream on your vocal cords.
	Beautiful.
	Yeah, no smoking.
	But seeing how I'm Persian and this is mostly a European audience, would you mind if I gave you a 15 to 20 second land acknowledgement, which might be a little different to the land acknowledgements that are becoming a little popular in North America nowadays?
	I don't mind that at all.
	Go for it.
	Okay, well, here's my alternate revised land acknowledgement.
	As a non-European, I acknowledge that the land I live on was created off the backs of European hard work, brow, sweat, tears.
	I acknowledge that my father and my forefathers had nothing to do.
	Did you get this country?
	I'm sorry, you just cut out for a second there.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, my apologies.
	I don't know what was the last thing you said, but your fathers and their fathers had nothing to do with building the ancestors had nothing to do with the creation of North America in its civilized form that we know today.
	So if you are European, I would like you to be extremely proud of the best civilization that exists on this planet.
	Now, tying this to the question of paying a price and when it is proper for us to take a risk, I work for a disgusting industry.
	It's government adjacent.
	It's just about the worst kind of environment you would want to be in, short of the government itself, I assume.
	And they made these.
	You came to the West for freedoms and ended up working for the government?
	what are you doing it's government adjacent but oh come on it's it's not It's not in the shit swamp, but it's right next to it.
	And I just keep the windows closed.
	It is right next to it.
	Well, it's a long story.
	I can tell you all about why I ended up in life where I am.
	Very upset about it.
	And I made quit.
	But right when I showed you.
	You were still there.
	You said you work in this government industry or government adjacent, right?
	Well, I'll tell you this.
	I saved my money for many years.
	And my exit plan was I enrolled myself in flight school.
	This is in 2018, late 2018, 2019.
	I got 50 hours of flight time.
	I was ready to bail and go pursue my dreams as an aviator.
	And then COVID hit.
	And my flight school said, you have to put on a mask.
	And I did, even though it was fucking up my glasses, which was not exactly safe because you need sunglasses when you go flying the circuit, because a quarter of the time, at least the sun is directly in your eye, because you're just circling, right?
	And then they said you have to take the vaccine.
	And there goes $25,000 to $30,000 that went down the drain.
	And I didn't even graduate.
	I even did my solo, and I was very close to the end, but I didn't cross that finish line.
	So there went my savings from several years.
	Currently, what I'm doing, again, I have another plan to get out of this mess.
	And I've started doing small farming.
	I make about $1,000 every month.
	I'm trying to get it to 2-3, and then at that point, maybe I can just bail.
	So, I'm not trying to make excuses, but I really have tried to make excuses.
	I, I, I withdraw my earlier comments.
	Those are very good excuses, and we've all had to navigate the shitstorm of COVID.
	So I get where you're coming from.
	And they sound like very decent and reasonable excuses.
	So I apologize for my rant earlier.
	And go ahead.
	No, not at all.
	And look, it's nauseating to me that I have come to North America to end up in the industry that I am.
	Because just on the face of it, if people don't talk to me long enough, it's just about the worst position you can have.
	A foreigner who comes and works next to our government.
	My goodness, disgusting.
	But look, speaking of when to draw the sword and when not.
	And we're just talking about a mental sword here, just so everyone is aware.
	But go ahead, like the rapier of wit.
	But anyway, go on.
	Yes.
	I mean, people might be surprised how far they can push it before they actually face any consequences.
	My employer does read land acknowledgements, which I don't know if Americans know what land acknowledgements are.
	Every Canadian does know.
	Do you think I should spend 10 seconds explaining it, or do you think everybody?
	Yeah, yeah, go for it.
	Land acknowledgements is a policy that the Canadian government introduced or suggested heavily.
	The government does it.
	Everybody next to the government also does it.
	Big companies do it.
	It's a humiliation ritual, which at the beginning of every meeting or public event, they say something along the lines of, we acknowledge that this country does not belong to white people.
	It's the unceded land of indigenous people.
	It's just to humiliate and to embarrass white people and say, what you're standing on is not yours.
	You're just an intruder.
	That's the purpose of it, basically, which is extremely funny because not, well, not funny.
	I lived in Iran for 20 years and they have exactly the same thing.
	It's exactly as though the Canadian government is taking a page out of the Islamic Republic because what they do over there is, let's say you're in an engineering firm and 20 engineers have gotten together to talk about the building of a building.
	You know what the meeting will start with every time?
	10 minutes of recitation of the Quran, because that really helps the building.
	And that's also the exact same purpose.
	We acknowledge that this is not Iran.
	This is an ideological prison camp.
	And unless you're with us, you're against us.
	So every time they do this land acknowledgement, I leave the meeting and I kept doing it until they questioned me about it.
	And then I told them exactly what was in my mind.
	The Charlie Kirk thing happened.
	Some people were openly happy about it.
	I got in loud fights with them.
	And many of these, I have stories to tell you for seven or eight hours, but they did suspend me in the end.
	They suspended me without pay for a week.
	And I've gotten into many, many fights.
	I'm actually quite surprised I haven't been fired yet.
	But the point where I stopped is when I realized that I've done what I could to inspire people.
	I'm not yet ready to bail out of this company because I have a one-year-old now.
	Last time I called you, I was.
	Hey, congratulations.
	Congratulations.
	How beautiful.
	Thank you.
	So I have people depending on me.
	And I told my European colleagues, especially males, I told them: look, this land acknowledgement thing is just to humiliate you.
Conscience Clear 00:12:25
	I tried to rally the troops as best as I could.
	I realized I can't really inspire people beyond this.
	And if I keep insisting, I'm going to lose this job.
	And without a clear plan B, it's just a cost without much gain.
	So that's when I stopped.
	But what I think I can gain out of this is 20 years from now, when my daughter asks me, hey, dad, this dumpster fire that we used to call Canada, what did you do not to contribute to this mess?
	I have a few emails to show her.
	And I can say, look, I at least made a pip about it.
	Not a lot of people backed me up, but at least I wasn't completely complicit.
	Yeah, I mean, for sure.
	The great thing for me about speaking dangerous truths is that my conscience is clear.
	Like if you do things that help the world by talking about difficult truths, fantastic.
	That's wonderful.
	That's what you want.
	But it's kind of like being a doctor.
	Like I can't control people and I wouldn't even want to even if I could.
	But it's like a doctor.
	If somebody comes in and they're smoking two packs a day and they're fat and they drink too much and so on, then you say, hey, you know, this is probably going to kill you.
	This is going to take decades off your lifespan.
	You know, you're going to end up in pain.
	Your joints are going to hurt.
	You're going to be coughing all the time.
	You can't climb a set of stairs.
	You know, whatever.
	Like all these negative things are going to happen.
	And you keep saying this to them.
	You show them the pictures.
	Here's what you're going to look like.
	Here's what your arteries look like.
	It's more clogged than a New York thoroughfare.
	And so then your conscience is clear.
	Like you've told the person what they're doing that is bad for them and is going to make their life more and more difficult and unpleasant.
	And if they quit smoking and they lose weight and they exercise and then fantastic.
	I mean, isn't that wonderful?
	Then great.
	If they don't, you don't have to care anymore because you did your part.
	Like you told them the facts.
	You told them the good, the bad.
	You showed them the ugly stuff.
	If they continue down their path, at least as a doctor, you don't have any regrets like you shoulda, woulda, coulda, right?
	And so for me, a lot of this is just like, okay, I know what works and what doesn't work in the world.
	I've been studying philosophy and self-knowledge and economics and politics for 45 years.
	That's a long, long chunk of time, let me tell you.
	And I know what works and I know what doesn't.
	I know what's right and I know what's wrong.
	I know what's good and I know what's evil.
	And you tell people and you tell societies, you tell countries, you tell the world.
	And if the world listens, fantastic.
	If the world doesn't listen, then you can go your merry way, find a safe place somewhere on the planet and look back and say, well, that's a shame.
	But at least my conscience is clear.
	And that to me is really, really important because the only other alternative is to take responsibility for things that you can't control, which I never want to do.
	I tried that with my family when I was younger, and that was a very bad idea as a whole.
	I did that in relationships too.
	I can make this crazy woman not crazy because I love her.
	Right.
	So I learned those lessons and I'm not doing it again.
	Well, if I may just push back on that a little bit, conscience might be clear.
	Yes.
	There have been many topics that I brought up with my own family members and friends.
	I told them about Bitcoin, mostly because I was hearing it through you.
	I told them that gold and silver were going to explode.
	I was telling them this in 2015.
	I predicted Trump would win the first time.
	I predicted he wouldn't win the second time.
	I told them that Canada was going to ban every last toy gun, let alone real ones.
	And I was mocked and ridiculed every step of the way.
	And like you say, you know, you tell people, you warn them, and then you separate yourself.
	And I have.
	I live just about the most isolated life with my wife.
	We live in the middle of nowhere.
	Like there is nothing around us for miles.
	The closest.
	Sorry, but you're still less isolated than if you were with people who couldn't reason.
	That's true.
	But the only thing I disagree with you with what you said is your conscience might be clear, but I'm still not in a place of contentment.
	There is nothing happy about being right about these awful things.
	I'm not happy that I was right, that gold is now $6,000 per ounce, which just signals to me that we don't have an economy.
	I'm not happy that I was right about firearms being banned, because that tells me only one thing about what's in the works about, well.
	So, well, hang on, but that's a straw man, bro.
	I mean, when did I say happy?
	I said, I'm content with my conscience.
	That doesn't mean I'm happy.
	So if you're a doctor and the guy who is smoking and drinking and not exercising in fat, if he gets sick and dies, you're not happy, but at least you're content in your conscience that you did all that you reasonably could to inform him of a better way.
	So it's not like if people don't listen to reason, it doesn't make, I don't think it makes anyone happy, right?
	This is sort of my argument at the beginning with Scott Adams.
	And you won, it's like, well, what did I win?
	What did I win?
	You know, it was a couple of years of hell, and I watched people I care about who didn't listen get sick.
	And so it's not that happy, and I'm sorry if I phrased it that way, and you're entirely right to call me out if I did, but it's a matter of I did everything I reasonably could, and I respect the free will of idiots.
	Like respecting the free will of idiots is really tough in this life because idiots, when they have bad free will, it often has splash damage onto you and I.
	But respecting the free will of idiots, hey, I'll give them, I'll give them an actual choice by giving them facts, reason, arguments, and data.
	If they choose not to listen, I respect their free will.
	You know, you tell the guy, quit smoking, quit drinking, start exercising, lose weight, and you respect his free will.
	And if he doesn't want to do that, he drops dead of a heart attack.
	It's not like you're happy, but you respect his free will.
	That's fair enough.
	Yes.
	We're content with our conscience, but we're still unhappy because fundamentally, I don't think we're winning.
	All of us are losing, even if a minority of us might be correct about these terrible things.
	Sure.
	But history is full of, I mean, I'm sure you've seen the videos of the feminists in Iran who were cheering on the arrival of the Islamics, right?
	And one of them got killed.
	The other one had to flee to Sweden.
	I think she lives in now.
	But they're super thrilled that Khomeini is taking over, right?
	And so history is just full of these really bad experiments and people learn brutally slowly and you just have to let them do it, right?
	Indeed.
	And just before I say goodbye to you and make room for the next person, if you think it might be a topic that attracts the audience or interests them, Iran might be an interesting subject because I see a lot of confusion about what's going on in Iran.
	And I get it.
	It's very complicated.
	There is monarchists who Iranian monarchists don't think of them as statists.
	Monarchy in Iran is sort of linked with nationalism and racial identity.
	So the comparison with an Iranian monarchy versus, let's say, an English monarchist is completely void.
	If you think that might be a topic that interests yourself and the audience, I would love to hear you talk about it.
	And finally, to the audience, I'm sorry for what's happening to your countries.
	You Europeans deserve to have your own spaces.
	Access to European people is not a human right.
	And I'm sorry to be living with you against your opinion being consulted by your governments.
	I try to make myself as nice and as helpful and useful to your societies.
	And if at some point in the future you gain control of your societies back and you decide you don't want a single non-European in your midst, I would be very happy to respect that.
	And I hope we can get our country back to an Iran and many of us can go back where we belong.
	Yeah, I mean, I judge individuals by values.
	I get that there's a Zoom out and there's aggregates and so on.
	But I mean, I'd much rather have you as a neighbor than some woke white person.
	So to me, it's where the values coincide that matters the most.
	All right.
	So somebody, and I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	Yes, I will certainly think about Iran.
	Renegade Art is nipping at my heels or chewing at my nads.
	He says, are you going to do another blame the victim of the state video, Steph?
	The state murders Rene Goode, and your take is, well, she had it coming.
	Wow.
	First of all, you might want to do an apostrophe on your, you know, because you don't want to appear particularly unread and uneducated when you're trying to lecture a fairly famous philosopher, but that's, you know, neither here nor there.
	So yeah, I think you've, I think I've seen that comment posted a bunch of different places.
	So if your belief is that I am cheering on the state murdering an innocent civilian, then I'm not sure why you would be on this channel.
	Like you understand that you're lying your ass off.
	I mean, this is a, it's really, it's a filthy falsehood.
	Because if you genuinely believed that I, as an ANCAP, would cheer on government thugs murdering an innocent woman for no reason, right?
	If you believed that I was so hypocritical or so whatever, I mean, I don't even know, right?
	If you believed that, then you wouldn't be making that comment, right?
	So you know that what you're saying is offensive to my sensibilities.
	And so you know that I don't believe that and would not do that.
	So you do understand that it's completely evident to me that you're trolling me, right?
	Because if I was somebody who cheered on governments murdering innocent civilians, then I would not respond to this kind of stuff because people would like people like that would say, yeah, good.
	You know, I love fascists or whatever, right?
	I love fascism or communism.
	They should murder more, whatever, right?
	So you understand that this is childishly manipulative, right?
	Because you're completely strawmanning my argument.
	The state murders Renee Good, and your take is, well, she had it coming.
	Wow.
	Right.
	So you should get better at trolling, if you don't mind.
	Because this is too obvious, right?
	This is too obvious trolling.
	So, I mean, you're welcome to keep listening and keep watching.
	But it always makes me sort of think about how, like, what kind of people you'd be surrounded by.
	Like, if you do that, because I guess you're surrounded by people who, what, respond to that kind of obvious pathetic manipulation tactic, I guess, oh, oh, let me explain myself.
	Because, you know, I've already done my whole explanation for all of this.
	So I guess you're surrounded by people where this kind of bullshit works on them.
	But the problem is, is that you end up being half, you end up having to be surrounded by people who are dumb and reactive, right?
	Who like you troll them and they're like, oh yeah, well, I don't believe that.
	How dare you?
	So I don't, you know, I have some self-mastery, I suppose, at least some.
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	So the problem is when you act in that kind of way, quality people don't want to spend any time around you.
	And you can probably troll or bully trashy people.
	But why would you want to have those kinds of people?
	Well, I guess you are one of those kinds of people.
	So I'm certainly happy to discuss things, but not in that kind of way, right?
	In not that kind of way.
	All right.
	Thanks, everyone, for a great show.
	I was a little low on energy today because I did a lot of work earlier today.
	I had like a three and a half hour call.
	So I appreciate everyone dropping by tonight.
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	I really, really do appreciate everyone's perspective.
	Lots of love.
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Chapters

00:00:00 Pushing Your Dice Quite a Bit
00:14:05 Never Back Down
00:20:11 Sacrifices of the Young
00:27:27 Panic After Destruction
00:35:53 Critical Thinking Among Youth
00:45:27 Why Antibodies Matter
00:50:24 Blood Boiling Dangers
01:05:41 Give Them a Companion
01:07:01 Different Agreements
01:09:52 Cost-Benefit of Freedom Speech
01:24:57 Government Adjacent Acknowledgments
01:34:23 Conscience Clear
01:46:33 Quality People Matter