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Sept. 22, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
06:27
So... What Happens Now?
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So I just want to bring it back to the Charlie Kirk thing.
Yeah.
You know, when I say in this country, I'm talking United States of America.
Where do you think this goes now?
You know, I know that's a very general question, but you mentioned the gleam in people's eyes.
And, you know, in this country, you know, something just feels different about this.
You know, I know recently was the other poor woman on the Boston, North Carolina, but something about Charlie Kirk, maybe it's because he's specifically a politician, just feels different.
He's not a politician, but he's definitely a political activist or advocate or something like that.
Right.
Yeah, so I guess my question is just, you know, does it get to a point where the gleam is too much and people just stopped having what he stood for?
Or you cut out there for a second.
You said where the gleam gets too much and something.
Is this the point where, you know, people, whether gradually or suddenly, stop trying to have civil discourse?
Well, you can't have civil discourse with people who don't listen to reason.
And so what is whatever you feed, you get more of, and whatever you starve, metaphorically, you get less of.
So people need to, there's a dividing line.
And I'm sorry that it goes through families and I'm sorry that it goes through friendships.
I really am.
I wish it weren't the case.
I've certainly tried to bring as much reason to the world, I think, as humanly possible.
Maximum reason has always been my driving force.
But you got to make your choice.
You got to make your choice.
Are you going to support those who support violence or not?
And if you're going to support those who support violence, hey, let's break bread together.
We just won't talk about these things.
I don't want to see that gleam, so I'm not going to bring up political terrorism.
I don't want to see the look in people's eyes, their slavering hunger for more blood.
I don't want to see that.
So we'll just talk about sports ball and we'll talk about the weather and we'll talk about Aunt Ginny's goiter and we'll avoid any real topics of moral import or depth.
And so the world is made by what we accept.
I mean, if you're Brad Pitt and you say, I'm going to charge 50 bucks to be in your movie, you get 50 bucks because he's willing to accept that.
You're going to go do a movie, right?
Okay.
So the world is made by what you accept.
I got a great wife because I wouldn't accept less.
If you're negotiating for salary, if you're trying to get a friend or some girl to date you, if you go for some, you know, trashy girl who's broken and easy, then that's what you'll get because that's what you'll accept.
So my, I'm going to make this completely about me.
I'm unabashedly.
I think it's helpful for other people, but I'll make it completely about me.
My entire purpose here is to die with a clean conscience.
To die with a clean conscience is to live forever.
I must die with a clean conscience.
So what that means is that I'm telling people the world is defined by what you accept.
If you accept shitty sadists in your life, the world will get shittier and more sadistic.
If you support them, if you break bread with them, if you go to their children's recitals, if you just consort with the cruel, the world will get more cruel.
If you don't consort with the cruel, the world will get less cruel.
Because cruel people only respond to incentives, not virtues.
And we're going to need the good people need to huddle together.
And we need to keep peacefully, reasonably, through voluntary choice and ostracism.
We need to keep the bad people at bay.
So, where does it go?
I don't know because I don't know how many people will listen to and actually act on the case that I'm putting forward.
It's a biblical case.
Do not consult with evil is foundational to Christianity.
I don't know why people don't do it.
I don't know why people don't understand why people who hold the peril of their mortal souls in an immortal sphere dependent upon not consorting with evil and then go and consort with evil.
I don't understand.
I don't know why.
Maybe people just don't really believe in heaven or hell, or God, or Jesus, or the final destinations of their flung souls.
I don't know why.
I don't believe in heaven or hell, but I don't consult with evildoers.
I won't break bread with them.
I won't hire them.
I won't fund them.
I won't go to their stores.
I won't economically interact with them as best I can.
I see people I don't like in a business.
I never go back.
I see people I like in a business.
I give them my business.
So, where does it go from here?
Wherever people choose to go.
But here's the thing: I got to make the case as clearly and passionately as humanly possible so that if the world goes to hell, my conscience is clean.
And honestly, my conscience is very, very important to me.
My conscience is the difference between living in heaven where I live or living in hell, which is where most people live.
You can go back to a speech I gave, in case you think this is anything new: Libertopia 2011.
My daughter was 18 months.
The great Dick Gregory introduced me, and I gave this exact speech: Shun evil.
Give them some time to come around, makes a case, shun evil.
Almost 15 years ago, it's the same message.
Now, some people will listen, some people won't.
Where does the world go?
I don't know, because there's free will.
All I can control is the clarity, effectiveness, directness, and passion with which I communicate an essential message called support, virtue, and shun evil.
What people do with that?
Out of my hands.
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