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June 12, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
05:20
Does God Exist in the Realm of Real?
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So, is it possible that there is a creature somewhere in the universe that can spark up something and has methane exhalations and can breathe fire?
It's not beyond the realm.
It's not innately self-contradictory.
We're not saying its breath is both fire and ice at the same time.
That would be a self-contradictory statement.
So, yeah, things we know exist, things that we can't rule out because they do not contradict their own natures, and things like a square circle or something that Lives in both air and water simultaneously, because that would be a contradiction.
So, does God exist in the realm of that which we know exists?
Nope.
does God exist in the realm of, could exist?
Well, only if God is not a self-contradictory entity, but because God is a self-contradictory entity, God has to be in the category of things that, uh, And so the reason why you couldn't ever know, you could never know if dragons exist or not.
Like, let's say that somehow you were able to go to the 100 billion stars in each of the 100 billion galaxies or whatever and check all of the planets and look everywhere and blah, blah, blah.
Well, that would take you an almost infinite amount of time.
And so by the time you'd gotten to the end of the universe, if you were immortal, it might have evolved in the first planet you checked.
It might have evolved by then because you'd be billions of years later.
So you can never say for sure that these things don't exist.
I'm agnostic as to, if we take out the sort of, like, if dragons are just big flying lizards, right?
And we forget about the, you know, obviously they don't have magic, because magic is in effect without a cause.
And, you know, can big giant dragons exist in the world, in the universe?
Yeah, I'm agnostic to it because...
They're not self-contradictory entities.
But I know that a square circle doesn't exist anywhere in the universe, because that's a self-contradictory entity, right?
So, essentially, there's not one God, but there are multiple gods, and these gods exist in some realm of truth.
Like, it's true that this person has one God, and it exists.
Yeah, probably better.
What?
Mary from Just Paul would mop the floor with him in this debate.
Yeah, I think so.
Okay, I don't follow this at all.
That exists in some realm of faith.
These gods exist in some realm of truth?
Oh, it hurts.
Going through these, it hurts.
It hurts.
It's like a dietician watching the average person at a Chinese buffet gravitating towards the deep fried cheesecake.
It's like, oh, it hurts my soul.
What is this?
Okay, I don't know what the hell she's talking about.
Essentially, there's not one God, but there are multiple gods.
Okay, essentially, it's not an argument.
There's not one God, there's multiple gods.
I don't know what that means.
Is she saying that everybody has multiple conceptions of God?
Nope.
Because if that's the case, right?
So everyone has a different idea.
Of what a dragon is, right?
I mean, you might look at a picture and say, that's a great dragon.
I used to show these, my daughter's big on dragons, right?
And if I were to say to her, is this a good picture of this type of dragon?
She'd say, it's not bad.
And she'd draw her own pictures, which would be slightly different from what I was.
So everyone has a different view of what a dragon is, right?
So let's say a green dragon, right?
And so if everyone has a different idea of what dragons are or look like, And everyone would dream about dragons in a slightly different way.
So if everyone has a different idea of what dragons are in their mind, would we say there are multiple dragons that exist in the realm of truth?
We would say no.
People have different ideas of what dragons look like, but no amount of people's conceptions of dragons add up to a dragon existing in the external world, like in the world beyond our imagination.
So, I'm not sure what she's talking about.
And I just need to hear it again.
Sorry.
That's why we fight.
Right.
So, essentially, there's not one god, but there are multiple gods, and these gods exist in some realm of truth.
I don't know.
In some realm of truth.
That's not proven.
Like, it's true that this person has one god, and it exists.
Yeah, probably.
It's true that this person has one god, and it exists.
What?
Better to think about it as multiple values, but that there's a hierarchy of values with something at the bottom.
Right, but at the bottom is God.
That's a definition, yeah.
Yeah, so at the bottom is God, and there can be multiple people with different conceptions of God, and they're each valid in being called God.
So there are multiple gods that exist.
Okay, so we've gone from people having different opinions to those opinions somehow being translated into empirical, factual, material existence in the external universe.
What?
What?
Well, people have different interpretations as to the meaning of Lord of the Rings, and those different interpretations wander around the universe wearing polyester slacks and exist out there in the world.
What?
I mean, I would just stop her and say, okay, hang on.
How do you know whether something exists or not?
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