June 6, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
06:15
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| So if we're going to say, well, it came out of the Protestant tradition, well, the Protestant tradition was not the, quote, Christian tradition in many ways. | |
| It was a rebellion against what was going on in the Catholic Church at the time, which was the sale of indulgences was one of the big issues that Martin Luther had, which is that the Catholic priest was selling for gold. | |
| Reduction of your time in limbo for the sins you committed on earth, right? | |
| So you didn't go straight to heaven. | |
| You went to limbo. | |
| You might be there for 100,000 years, but if you give the priest 20 gold pieces, he'll knock 10,000 years off that. | |
| And then they began to sell the indulgences, not just about past deeds, but about future deeds. | |
| You say, oh, I'm going to go have a dirty weekend with my mistress. | |
| Here's five gold pieces, and I'm already forgiven. | |
| and I can go and have fun with Outer Conscience and all that kind of stuff. | |
| Right? | |
| So it became the sale of imaginary release from Limbo and imaginary So one of the things that they were rebelling against was that level of corruption. | |
| So if it comes out of the Protestant nations, it's because the Protestant nations allowed the smartest people to have the most kids. | |
| It's the same thing in the Jewish community. | |
| The rabbis tend to be the smartest, and statistically we've seen that they have the most kids, and that is a very, very big So the idea, and this would explain why it didn't happen for 16, 17, 1800 years after Christianity was established, that you look at what happened economically, | |
| you look at what happened in terms of land ownership and in terms of self-ownership when it came to trade and voluntary employment and so on, and also that the Protestant Reformation, you know, 15th century and so on, A couple of hundred years later, when you've had, you know, eight to nine generations of smart people getting smarter, well, they can grasp the abstractions of the universal value of human life, which was what was used as the underpinnings to the end of slavery. | |
| So anyway, I just want to point out that, and again, I'm not saying you get all of that across in this kind of debate, but whew. | |
| It's driven on our experiences as humans, which is what is best for all people. | |
| Is it driven by conscience? | |
| It could be. | |
| Which conscious is also something that has evolved over time, and I think that's something that does evolve within morality and empathy. | |
| Okay, I don't understand the point that you're making. | |
| My point is that God influenced slavery. | |
| People looked at the Bible and went, this is moral, because God says it, just like women's suffrage, and just like homosexuality. | |
| All human societies were slave-only. | |
| So you can't blame that on the Bible. | |
| If humanity... | |
| This is the one test of the Bible, right? | |
| If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, there should have been things in the Bible that were completely incomprehensible to the current society, to the society of the time. | |
| If I say, hey man, I've got a pipeline to omniscience, then you can ask the Bilbo Baggins question. | |
| You put your hands in your pocket and say, play some pocket pool. | |
| And so you ask the Bilbo Baggins question. | |
| What has it got in its pocketses, right? | |
| So you put your hand in it. | |
| If I say, hey, I got a pipeline to omniscience, then the way that you would test that, of course, is you would say, you would ask me something I couldn't know, right? | |
| What have I got in my pocket? | |
| Now, if I answered that, okay, and I kept answering, right, then you'd say, well, you couldn't possibly have that knowledge, therefore, it is established that you have a pipeline to the divine, right? | |
| However, if... | |
| Apparently this is my right arm, because it's right, it's correct. | |
| Pipeline to the divine. | |
| But I never tell you anything or write anything down that I couldn't have known at the time. | |
| Right, I mean, if you're going to write the Bible with reference to the omniscience of God, then if someone in... | |
| Well, God knows E equals MC squared because God designed the whole architecture, right? | |
| So God completely knows E equals MC squared. | |
| So if someone in the Bible had written that down or the inverse square law or, I don't know, The price of Apple stock, June 27th, 1997. | |
| That would be like, well, they couldn't possibly have known that at the time. | |
| There's no way they could have known that. | |
| So clearly, there's a pipeline to the divine. | |
| So if in general, slavery was accepted, but it was kind of understood that to be good, you had to treat your slaves reasonably well, then you would expect that in the Bible. | |
| The fact that some people fled slavery is not a condemnation. | |
| Of slavery. | |
| At all, right? | |
| So, it's like saying, well, some people escape unjust prisons, therefore all prisons are unjust. | |
| It's like, no, no, that's, people escaping a gulag is different, like that would be good, I suppose, if they're innocent victims of totalitarianism, versus, you know, people who escape, who are put justly in prison because they're serial axe murderers, they go and escape and start chopping up the population, Robert De Niro style, then that's bad, right? | |
| So saying people escape a prison doesn't mean that all prisons are immoral, which they would be in an anarchic. | |
| Wait, address that first. | |
| All human societies were slavers, so you can't blame that on the Bible. | |
| Well, you can say it bolstered it. | |
| Well, not if you look at the broad sweep of history, because it was the... | |
| Ah, the broad sweep of history. | |
| Well, no, if the Bible bolsters slavery, that's... | |
| If God is all good and all knowing and all moral, then God should have condemned slavery because slavery is evil. | |
| But on the Bible. | |
| Well, you can say it bolstered it. | |
| Well, not if you look at the broad sweep of history, because it was the Protestant Christians in the... | |
| their interpretation of the Bible. | |
| It was the Protestant Christians in the Bible. | |
| Let's pause there. | |
| Yes, and that's really rude to just not let Dr. Peterson make his case, right? | |
| He's got to make his case. | |
| And it's not the worst case in the world. |
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