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July 8, 2024 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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Izzy's Sunday Show!

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	Good morning, everybody.
	Hope you're doing well.
	It's the 7th of July, 2024, and just because I know everybody's very interested in my health, I have a minor ailment that is a challenge, but exciting.
	The minor ailment is called tiny hands.
	Yes, tiny hands, they're also tiny and disembodied, which means they come from everywhere, from every direction, and they're small.
	They grow out of my youth.
	So, yes, it's a challenge!
	And people saying, hello Izzy!
	Hello.
	I'm here.
	All right.
	So, Izzy, we have some questions to ask Izzy on the livestream.
	You're welcome to put your own ones in.
	And also, we just wanted to mention that Izzy has herself joined the ranks of the exploited.
	I am a strong, independent, working woman.
	She has her first job.
	Yes, I got a job.
	Now, primarily beforehand, her job has been managing her father's emotions.
	Yes.
	That's more of a career.
	But that was like, you know, I need a break sometimes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, really, that was more of a calling or a career, or really something that's cornered.
	Yeah.
	Like, to manage my moods has been... Like those Chinese workers, you know?
	Well, yeah, like, for sure, for sure.
	So we wanted to give her a job outside.
	Uh, outside, uh, managing customers.
	Now, is it easier to manage, say, 20 customers lined up or father's moodiness?
	I mean, honestly, it's a real, this is a hard question.
	Yes, it is.
	Don't make me moody.
	Sorry.
	Nothing.
	Sorry.
	I thought I heard customers there, but I wasn't sure.
	You might've.
	All right.
	So, uh, Izzy has, uh, is going to work.
	Uh, later today, and then she said, before I go to work, I have nothing to do.
	And I need to do, you know, live streams are fun.
	Live streams are fun.
	They are nothing.
	They are.
	Um, all right.
	So we of course are happy to take questions from y'all and we, uh, we have some, let there be sound.
	So yes, we are happy to take questions.
	We are also happy to, um, Answer the ones here.
	So, um, what music, other than your father's prog-rock 80s inflictions, what music do young people listen to?
	Now you have a whole cliche.
	I'm not talking about my music taste.
	Thanks.
	Um, but other young people.
	Young people.
	Yes.
	Plural.
	Not me.
	No, people is singular.
	I'm kidding.
	Ah, don't homeschool fail.
	I'm not good at grammar.
	Don't homeschool fail.
	A lot of young people.
	I mean, the girls, like, gold prospecting, I wish.
	No, we tried gold prospecting, but the security guards caught us.
	You can do that at a mall, actually.
	It's just not legal.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I'm too old to run.
	So go on.
	Oh, where were we at the other day?
	So we got a bunch of teenagers playing Manhunt, and you're like, Dad, join in!
	And I'm like, eugh!
	But other dads were doing it!
	Yes, and how much?
	They're 20 years younger.
	Okay, well, I mean, it's not that much.
	I mean, just like, you know.
	What music do young people listen to?
	I'm sorry, eye tangent.
	The women listen to a lot of, like, soft pop is usually what I call it.
	That kind of soft, like, mumbly singing.
	There's some songs from that genre I like, but, I mean, obviously a ton of Taylor Swift.
	I mean, like, it's actually- It's a lot of acoustic, jazzy- I think it depends on my illness.
	Oh, the Taylor Swift stuff?
	Everyone does it.
	There's no way everybody likes your music.
	I mean, like, some of her older songs I think are fine, but, like- Sorry, we just- we- we can't talk about Taylor Swift because the last time I talked about Taylor Swift and her eggs, everybody lost their minds!
	I'm kidding, go on.
	I've got the A, so I'm just saying her music is not that good.
	It's good, but it's not that good to the point where every single female I know loves her songs.
	Well, it's funny because we watched, we heard about one of her movie songs.
	It's just hypnosis.
	Something in the water.
	Because we heard about one of her songs, and I haven't heard a Taylor Swift song.
	I liked her album, which had the girl going crazy.
	So that was the album that had...
	No, no, I know.
	We used to listen to them a while ago, and there was a couple of the songs I thought, um, Shake It Up, was it Shake It Up, or Shake It Off, Shake It Off, something like that.
	Someone did it.
	And there was another song, uh, duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh, I mean, it doesn't matter.
	That is not a Taylor Swift song.
	That is!
	It is!
	That is not a Taylor Swift song.
	Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh It is!
	It is!
	What are you on about?
	It is.
	Alright.
	It just may not be recognizable because I'm singing it.
	No.
	That's not it.
	Boys only want love if it's torture.
	It's not... Okay, that part is different.
	That's not different!
	Sorry?
	Nothing.
	Please do that again.
	Okay, my voice is cracking because I've not gotten over that.
	That's the theme song for Mario!
	I will find you.
	I will find you!
	I will find you.
	Okay.
	What's the name of that song?
	No, no.
	I'm finding the words.
	I'm finding the words.
	Okay.
	We're going on a musical journey now.
	All right.
	Hang on boys only.
	Want love if it's torture.
	And by the way, that is a terrible message.
	Okay.
	Blank.
	I've got to type past 19 cables here.
	Blank space.
	Why do I still know this?
	That's it, everyone's hearing my Taylor Swift.
	I have had questions, and they will actually hire me to never ever do it again, right?
	All right, come on.
	Give me the lyrics!
	The internet is hesitating.
	Why do I still know this?
	I haven't heard it in ages.
	I could show you incredible thing, magic, madness, heaven, sin.
	Saw you there and I thought, oh my god, look at that face.
	You look like my next mistake.
	Love's a game, wanna play?
	Like that, right?
	New money, suit and tie, I can read you like a magazine.
	Ain't it funny?
	Rumors fly, and I know you heard about me.
	Anyway, so, that's the da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
	That's the song.
	It's just, it's just I turned it into something that would make mall music.
	That sounded, no, that sounded like, that sounded like 80s jazz.
	Yeah, I'm sorry that it's tough for you to differentiate the abstracted notes.
	What?
	Mario theme song, but there's no lyrics to it.
	Oh God.
	Don't play copyrighted music on my live stream.
	All right.
	The main theme.
	Yeah, it kind of is.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, it kind of is.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, I thought that album was good.
	But do you remember when you and I looked up, I don't remember the name of the song, we saw some meme of these girls weeping and wailing and screaming at a concert.
	And then we looked up the song.
	And remember, it's just it's an overhead shot of a guy walking down a snowy path with with forest on either side.
	Who gives a crap about the music video?
	What matters is the song.
	No, no, I'm just telling you that I don't remember the name of the song.
	But you remember that, right?
	Yeah.
	And I thought that was one of the most bland songs I've ever heard.
	And the male singer was so bad.
	Yeah, it was not... I was not... I was not a massive fan.
	Not a massive fan.
	All right.
	Now, regarding the young gentleman of your acquaintance... A lot of metal, rock... What are the band names?
	There's three.
	Isn't there three?
	Come on!
	Three band names that everyone's into.
	Or two band names.
	You were saying everyone has to be into and you gave the name of the band.
	Oh, no, no.
	Okay, so the popular guys.
	21 Pilots is the big one.
	I'm gonna just say 21 Pilots because all the other guys that sound like 21 Pilots, like
	all the other male singers, are basically 21 Pilots.
	Okay, alright.
	21 Pilots, all the popular guys love it.
	And I think there's just something about 21 Pilots for guys and Taylor Swift for girls
	where it's some sort of like, ACDC, I'd say the people who actually follow their music
	taste like ACDC, but a lot of people who just are like, I'm gonna be popular, like popular
	music.
	So I think, I mean, maybe it's just them and that's just their personality or maybe they're
	trying to force it.
	I don't know.
	But, well, you were saying and you have a theory based on Spotify, right?
	Well, this is this is Sabrina Carpenter's theory.
	This is a theory about her.
	So I've seen a lot of people posting that they will search up any random music genre.
	And Spotify is supposed to give you an autoplay feature.
	And the autoplay is like.
	you It shows you, you know, if you look up, like, 80s rock, it's gonna give you other popular 80s rock songs.
	Right.
	Or if you look up a more obscure one, it'll give you obscure ones.
	Right.
	That's kind of how the system's supposed to work, and that's not just Spotify.
	That's, like, old music.
	So do you think that there's a promotion that goes on?
	Hold on.
	There's something going on with Sabrina Carpenter's two new songs, because I've never heard anyone listen to these, because they're pretty bad.
	They are.
	But she's, like, they'll look up, I don't know, Metal or something.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She's, like, the second song on autoplay.
	So that's why people are listening to her, because it just shows up.
	And Spotify has a system like you can't skip songs unless you're premium, so some people just can't skip it.
	Right.
	And then sometimes even a song that isn't that great will sort of wear its grooves in your brain.
	If you hear it enough, you're gonna end up thinking of it.
	Sabrina Carpenter to me is a modern biblical tale of brain-deadening tragedy.
	Because I thought Thumbs was a clever song.
	I liked Look at Me.
	I mean, it wasn't that clever, but I thought the tune was fun.
	Yeah, but Thumbs had this whole thing about the bank robs the people, so the people rob the bank.
	It was just clever and thoughtful, and she actually had her clothes on.
	Yeah, she did, right?
	No, she did!
	That's a thing of the past.
	I was like, wow, a girl who's not selling flesh, who's got clever music, and then, tragically, I watched the video for Espresso.
	Is it Espresso?
	There's Espresso and Please Please Please are the two ones.
	Also, who names a song Please Please Please?
	That is like a tongue twister.
	Man, just name us something else.
	Right.
	Go on.
	You might as well name your song Lori Lori.
	Red Lori, Yellow Lori.
	Red Lori, Yellow Lori.
	So there was a, actually there was a comedy some years ago on TV where they had the worst movie title was called The Rural Juror.
	Oh my god, why would you do that?
	Very funny.
	So Sabrina Carpenter went from like clever clothes on to like retarded bikini on the beach.
	Mimic Taylor Swift.
	That's what they're all doing.
	I guess, yeah.
	I guess.
	I've always liked David Bowie.
	Yeah, Bowie's good.
	Yeah, hold on.
	To me, Steph was sounding like God To Be Real.
	Can you sing the tune of God To Be Real?
	I'm sure you know that.
	I don't know that song.
	Oh, I believe in you.
	Have you guys heard of Dax?
	Yes, I think Dax is one of the Cylons on Battlestar Galactica.
	I don't think that's in the slightest bit.
	And I can't imagine that the music is that great.
	It would probably be a bit mechanical.
	Maybe, like, electronic or hip-hop or something.
	That's right!
	Robot death-killing electronica.
	Maybe something like The Living Tombstone, like that.
	That concert slayed!
	Oh my god.
	Anyway, I'm sure we'll do Battlestar Galactica jokes from here to eternity.
	ACDC.
	So, ACDC would be 70s and 80s, and I think that'd probably be older.
	No, no, people listen to that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's like Please Please Me by the Beatles.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Bowie's good.
	Yeah, Bowie's good for sure, but weird, as all get up.
	And also, there was an, I think we mentioned this, but it's probably worth re-mentioning it, just because it hurts, it can hurt twice, that in your history class, In your history class, they talked about- Oh, yeah!
	My favorite part.
	So, I was- I have, like, an online history thing.
	Um, don't, like, get me started on that, but the one area that they were teaching was 80s.
	They had 80s in history, and you know why?
	Because it's, like, half a century ago.
	So- It's not half a century ago!
	It's 44 years.
	No, it's 44 years.
	No, it's 44 years.
	80 to 2000 is 20?
	What?
	Oh, I was born quite a...
	I was 16 in 1980 and that's 40...
	Oh God, no, that's 44 years ago.
	16?
	Yeah.
	Every now and then, I remember when you first got better at me than me at Rocket League.
	I'm like, oh, that's right.
	She's here to replace me.
	That's right.
	Just as I was here to replace my mother.
	It's called an upgrade.
	All right.
	Uh, what are people- are they yapping?
	They are yapping.
	Yapping.
	Okay, so yapping is- No, they're not yapping.
	They're talking about music.
	That's not yapping.
	Alright.
	Um... You guys should try Panters.
	That's Pantera!
	What?
	Pantera!
	Oh, Pantera.
	Oh, uh, the- where you get the sandwiches.
	What do they say about the- I have no idea.
	I wasn't paying attention.
	Pantera Bread?
	Do you- oh my god.
	Paramore?
	Is that a band?
	That's a mu- that's a streaming service!
	Ah.
	Okay.
	What did I say about the 80s?
	I don't know.
	Honestly, I wasn't paying attention, but it was probably woke crap, so... I mean, I paid attention for European history and some Asian history, but the other stuff, I just... I don't know.
	They were talking about just stuff that I didn't think was accurate, so... Well, can you imagine, like, Australian Aboriginal history?
	It's like Groundhog Day from hell for 40,000 years.
	They said the great, like, I don't know, settlements of these people who are living in, like, dirt huts.
	Yeah, it's not too exciting.
	Alright.
	So, um...
	Young people, so it's kind of metal for the boys and kind of Taylor Swift for the girls?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And is there a lot of spread and variety, or is it a lot of copy-paste in terms of tastes?
	For the girls, it's pretty much all copy-paste.
	Right, right.
	If someone says, oh, I like this song, all the other girls would be, oh my gosh, I love that song!
	Right, right.
	So, let's see.
	I think the guys all have, like, they have some similar music taste, but it does vary a lot.
	But it will, you know, there's always a bit of 80s.
	There's usually some metal.
	There's usually a lot of rock.
	Any of that Norwegian screaming death metal?
	Some of that, yeah.
	Not quite.
	It's a bit more like stuff.
	Sorry, I'm just going to delete this message.
	No, no.
	Yes, Google has a tune or tool.
	That's amazing because there's so many tunes that get stuck in my head and I don't know the actual names.
	I'm just like trying to like figure out like lyrics.
	Especially that one that goes da da da da da da da da.
	No, the Mario theme is like... Something like that.
	I don't know.
	I'm a bit off, but... You have such a nice voice.
	So Google has a tool where you can search a song with the melody.
	Izzy, that's your chance to prove objectively it was the Mario theme.
	So this is what... Mario.
	This is what is called a betrayal of philosophy.
	By siding with... Can you point out the way you say it?
	Mario.
	Mario.
	Careful, I might...
	No Gregorian chants.
	I actually have listened to Gregorian chants.
	I listen to some Gregorian chants while writing sometimes.
	Next time my friends ask me what music I like, I'm just going to say Gregorian chants.
	Hindu death dirges.
	All right.
	Oh, that'd be a good name for a metal band.
	No, it would not.
	Okay, how do you think your generation will be different from older, cooler generations?
	That is not in there.
	He is like CNN, like messing up.
	Messing up the source material.
	Yeah.
	How do you think your generation will be different from older generations?
	I think a lot of us are very woke.
	I do not think a lot of Gen Zs are going to get married.
	I genuinely think there's going to be a giant fall in the population or in the birth rates.
	Um, just cause I'm, I feel like a lot of stories, or maybe Gen Z are like the very, like, youngest millennials.
	Yeah.
	But I hear like a lot of stories, whether they're in memes or like, I don't know, Reddit posts or whatever, of people saying like, oh, I just can't find like a wife or I just can't find anyone because the views between the genders are so different.
	Like mainly political, like not even just political, like everything.
	Well, the boys are much more conservative and getting more conservative, and the girls are much more liberal and getting more liberal.
	Yeah, so there's just not a lot of people that are able to find, I think, like, suitable wife or husband material for each other.
	Yeah, it's really sad.
	And I think for those that do have, like, kids and actually get married and stuff, I think they're going to be pretty good parents.
	A lot of the peaceful parenting and you don't have to stay with toxic parents, that is becoming a lot more popularized over the last five years.
	Yes, but at least I'm getting credit for it.
	I know, right?
	But it is becoming more popularized, which is, I think... Oh, I think I've heard of Dax.
	Dax is a talented rapper who makes anti-woke music with a hint of male sympathy.
	Yeah, I've heard that.
	I don't remember that from Battlestar Galactica, though.
	Sorry, you wanted to do the live stream!
	Bye, gotta go to work!
	I can't believe you lasted this long.
	So I do think the few that do actually have kids are going to be pretty decent parents.
	That's my guess on the generation.
	Right.
	And should we talk and sing the praises of Jenné?
	No, we're not.
	We've done it on, like, all the other shows.
	We can't do it every show.
	I just, like, poke in the wound of hell and horror.
	All right.
	What is the most interesting thing in the world to Izzy right now?
	What's interesting?
	Would you say it's your job or something else?
	No, my job is more just, like, a way for me to spend time.
	Right.
	What I want is I want two jobs.
	Because this place, I mean, I've suggested... I'm happy to be the only person working the... Can we say what, like, job it is?
	It's an ice cream parlor.
	There's supposed to be a lot more people in there, but they're understaffed, so it's basically just been me when there's supposed to be three or four people.
	But I've been managing fine, and I made a case to the manager, who is pretty new, I think she got in business really recently, but I was saying like, hey, you know, or not the manager, the owner, If you keep it open during the weekdays, I know it's not going to be as busy, but I'm happy to run it by myself.
	So the sales, like the price of keeping it open is going to be way lower.
	So as long as I make a profit, it's worth it.
	And we've sort of roughly figured out the number of ice creams you need to sell.
	This many per hour.
	I can definitely do that.
	Like some people will be ordering just like the same amount of the things I need to sell in one hour.
	And you went from being nervous I was really nervous because Saturday was going to be absolutely crazy and I was there for like seven and a half hours by myself and they were like, oh, it's going to be crazy.
	People are going to be lining up down the street.
	I'm like, they didn't even teach me how to make stuff, but that's fine.
	So, so then you were nervous that people weren't going to be there to help you and then When someone did come and help me, it got all messy.
	And I'm like, maybe, maybe you should like... Oh no, people aren't going to help me.
	Oh no, people are helping me.
	I was trying to be polite, but it was just when, like, the other girl came in, it was, it just got complicated because she was taking orders too quick.
	Right.
	And then she was making some of the ice creams and I was making some of the ice creams and we were not communicating well on how to get the ice creams to the right person.
	And especially when people ordered, like, it was unfortunate because we got really specific orders from two people.
	We got a double in a waffle cone with one vanilla and one orange sherbets, right?
	Two of those.
	That never happens.
	That is like such a weird combo.
	No one does vanilla and orange.
	She's like, what the heck?
	And we got two of those and it was like the same looking people.
	It was a mess.
	But then she left and things went back to normal.
	Well, it's funny because everyone thinks, and this is particularly true in governments, they say, oh, well, things aren't particularly efficient, so we'll add more people.
	And a lot of times efficiency is achieved by removing people and just letting the core competency flow.
	But yeah, for me, because they said it's probably going to be like a weekend thing.
	I do want to get another job.
	I feel like if it is full time, you want to be the guy who orders the banana split.
	Yeah, well, we don't have bananas, so you can't.
	No, no, but just keep ordering it.
	No screaming customers yet?
	There was one guy who got pretty mad.
	This is when both of us were in there.
	Well, technically, there are ice cream customers.
	I don't even know what that was.
	No, no screaming customers yet.
	They've all been pretty friendly.
	And when I explain that I'm taking the job of like three or four people, they're like, oh yeah, take your time.
	And also, I mean, I'm definitely going to be milking.
	Oh, it's my first day.
	I mean, I'm not saying it's my first day, but I'll say it.
	I'm new to the workforce.
	Because that gets tips.
	Right.
	All right.
	What the heck was I saying about the ice cream place?
	Um... Oh, what's my most interesting thing?
	Yeah, so that, for me, is really just a way to spend time.
	And the reason I want to get two jobs is because I feel like if I'm just scooping ice cream full-time, and it does become a full-time job or whatever, right?
	So it's like every day, scooping ice cream in the same building, I'm just gonna get really bored and I feel like I won't be efficient if I'm bored.
	So I want two different places to mess up the atmosphere, but we'll see what happens.
	I mean, I'm just happy I have a job, so... Yeah, it's very cool.
	Yeah, the most exciting thing for me?
	I don't know, maybe, like, video game war?
	Video game lore.
	We're also playing some D&D with some friends.
	D&D is a lot of fun.
	Which is a lot of fun.
	And also, you're working on creating a whole... Oh, that would be it.
	That would be it.
	Oh, come on.
	That's the thing, right?
	When I go to... We go to a cafe, not the same one, but we go to a cafe, I work on the Peaceful Parenting short version, and you are, like, generating a whole planet in your application.
	Yeah, so I've actually... I've been working on a dungeon for Dungeons & Dragons.
	I would say- Hang on.
	Just, no, for those who don't know, it's not just a dungeon, it's a whole world.
	It's a whole world, yeah.
	And it's also a whole story, because, I mean, for me, I really love the story aspect, and everyone was fine with this.
	I did ask them, and they were like, yeah, it's all good.
	So, there's, like, basically six preset characters.
	We have five people playing.
	I'm playing one NPC, so there's five, like, characters that are basically, I want to say assigned to each player, and they usually have options, like, If it's like, okay, you can choose between, like, these four classes or these six races or whatever, right?
	So it's very, like, I didn't want to take over the character customization for people or the creation, because I know that's- The classes for people who don't know?
	Oh, yeah, classes- Sorry, I keep thinking, like, we're all nerds, but- Creative, thank you very much.
	Whether you're a wizard, or a knight, or a cleric, or a thief, or something.
	And races, I mean, that's pretty obvious.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But... No, but races wouldn't be like the human type races for this, like orcs, and elves, and dwarves, and halflings, and so on, right?
	Like, I'm playing... My NPC is a sea elf.
	Right, right.
	That's massive spoilers.
	If anyone here is playing the campaign and listening to this, you just learned everything.
	And it's cool, because the sea elf's name is... The sea elf's name is Seraphine, because I had to do Finn.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Seraphine.
	You know what I'm really mad at?
	So it's actually, it was originally Seraphina, but now I have to make it Seraphine because I literally just met a girl named Seraphina.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	And I was like, I can't, I cannot do this.
	So I had to change it to Seraphine.
	And you have desert, mountain, jungle, underground... Okay, yeah, I've got everything.
	I've got everything.
	Hold on.
	We've got caves, mountain, desert, lakes, oceans, jungles, arctic... We have different dimensions.
	I'm not saying all the dimensions, because those are supposed to be a surprise.
	Yeah.
	And you are doing it.
	But, I mean, he's going to be one of the characters.
	Cetaph... No!
	Seraphim!
	Cetaphil?
	S-E-R-A-F-I-N, Finn, because Sea Elf, and I just, I don't know, I was like, on a name generator, okay?
	Okay, so Q-Tips can be your friend.
	Yes.
	Um, Cetaphil.
	And this is, sometimes when you create stuff... Maybe I should just call her Phil, that'd be really funny.
	I don't know!
	I- I know someone named Ophelia and everyone calls her Phil and she gets really mad over it.
	Yeah, and they get mad.
	No, this was not one of those.
	No?
	There was- wait, snowballs.
	Oh, sorry, I thought you meant, like, messes up.
	No, I have that at first. I had like a different story going on.
	And the reason, sorry, let me get back to this. The reason I made kind of characters for people,
	or at least kind of set up a relative backstory, because I want them to be really involved with
	the story of the adventure. And I didn't, you know, the people playing, they have busy lives.
	I didn't want them, I didn't want to be like, guys, come up with a detailed backstory.
	Right.
	Right. Because that takes time. And, you know, I don't want people to
	start off being bored or like busy or whatever, and viewing it as a negative thing. So that's
	kind of why I did it. And everyone was fine with it. So we'll see.
	I have one of the funniest things that happened. This is a little while ago for me in D&D
	was that you rolled your character traits, and it was that you misquote things.
	Do you remember that?
	Oh my gosh, yeah, I do remember that.
	And then there was a girl playing who was totally into Taylor Swift and you just kept misquoting Taylor Swift lyrics.
	No, no, it wasn't that, it wasn't that kind of.
	Did I have that right?
	So she was, she rolled for character traits and she got, she worships a certain God of her faith and she made that God Taylor Swift because she thought it'd be really funny.
	So I thought, I miss, I constantly misquoted religious texts, sacred religious texts.
	So I constantly misquoted Taylor Swift.
	I'm like, Taylor Swift once said, and I used it as like, I used what she said as an excuse to be like the absolute worst human being ever.
	Like make the absolute most atrocious choices.
	That's very funny.
	It's unfortunate.
	I got, like, very similar characteristics in this adventure we're currently playing, not the one I'm working on.
	Right.
	But, like, we got- I keep getting the same, like, characteristics of being slightly cha- like, very chaotic, kind of bragging, and, like, I just keep rolling that.
	Yep.
	It's almost like the gods are trying to tell you something.
	The NPC I'm- I don't brag in real life.
	The NPC I'm playing in my dungeon is not like that.
	Very lawful, very, like, thinking through things, and, like, needs to play a different character.
	Oh, right.
	It's an interesting question, I'm not sure we can answer it.
	How do you think being homeschooled has benefited slash detracted you compared to your peers socially and educationally so far?
	Because all of your peers are homeschooled.
	Almost, not all.
	All the people at the job aren't.
	No, no, but that's not... I've met a lot of people recently that aren't.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I don't think that you know them well enough to know how much of a divergence there's been.
	True, yeah.
	And also, they could have been homeschooled for what we know, right?
	No, they weren't.
	They talked about...
	All right.
	Hi, Issy.
	Do you think you will ever become a public figure like your dad?
	I wanted to when I was younger.
	Yeah.
	I actually wanted to run for president, but I realized I couldn't do that because I'm Canadian.
	Oh, U.S.
	President.
	Right, right, right.
	That's probably like 11 and I learned that and I'm like, oh, well, um, but I don't know.
	Probably, I mean, maybe it'd be kind of cool.
	I might do something like in YouTube, but I probably wouldn't do, I wouldn't be like a serious, like, philosophy show.
	I'd probably just be like goofy stuff.
	Game lore.
	No, not game lore.
	Um, but just like goofy stuff, like gaming.
	The history of meat eating plants.
	Are you talking about meat at carnies?
	That's not even a game.
	No, but it's a YouTube.
	But it's, it's not game lore, but it's, they, he created a whole alternate universe of meat-eating plants because he probably, you know what probably happened was when he was in the crib, when he was in the crib, when he was in the crib there were vines that probably grew in through the window around his neck, so he's just frightened of plants and he made them carnivorous.
	The vines were edible, they didn't even... Huh?
	The vines weren't the problem, they were edible.
	I'm just trying to figure out why somebody would be so frightened of plants.
	Oh, no, it's global warming!
	He's frightened of plants!
	Okay.
	Because plant food.
	Oh my gosh.
	I'm done.
	All right.
	Steph history lore.
	Okay.
	What has been your most life-changing experience so far?
	Honestly, it'd be quite serious.
	The job.
	I'd say that's like a very big thing.
	Very big thing, right?
	Because this is your entry into productivity from an economic standpoint.
	All right.
	Uh, let's see here.
	What advice would you give to new animators?
	Will you tell us about your workflow?
	Oh, I haven't animated in years.
	What advice would you give to new animators?
	Will you tell us about your workflow?
	Sorry, Canada's kind of lame.
	The kids want to grow up to be US.
	It is.
	Yeah, Canada sucks.
	Canada is like, we have the younger brother complex compared to the U.S.
	I have some online friends in the U.S.
	and they're like, do you guys even have elections?
	What's the whole thing down there?
	Down there?
	They didn't say down there.
	It's like, turn the map around.
	We're actually up here.
	Okay.
	And then there was another one where they were like, oh my gosh, what was it?
	They're like, do you have to?
	Are you breaking the law by being homeschooled?
	And I'm like, what?
	And we actually have fewer restrictions here than other people in other countries.
	Um, yeah.
	So what was it about animating?
	I mean, for me, I started off literally in like a drawing app that wasn't even animating, just using different layers and taking screenshots.
	No, no.
	Before that?
	No, that's not animating.
	Gacha Life is not animating.
	Sorry, what was the one that you did?
	IBIS Paint.
	Okay.
	But didn't you get the characters from Gacha Life?
	No.
	No?
	I did Among Us characters.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Gacha Life did not remind me of that.
	That was probably like my worst era.
	No, but there was.
	You did a whole... It wasn't total animation.
	You did the legs.
	You showed me how you did the legs.
	That wasn't animation.
	Why?
	Why was it not animation?
	I didn't do it.
	It was pre-recorded.
	I literally screen-recorded them making an animation.
	I didn't animate anything.
	I didn't animate anything.
	Are you trying to tell me how I did my work?
	For the sake of the show, I'm going to pretend to agree with it.
	No, you're right.
	Of course you're right.
	I did the work!
	You did the work.
	But I just remember you showing me how you put the legs together.
	That's probably the worst thing I've ever done.
	Right, right.
	Okay.
	What am I trying to say?
	Um... Yeah, so... I did the animation in IBS Paint because I just enjoyed it, and I didn't have an actual app.
	And then eventually, I was like, this is not, like... IBS Paint is the one with about 40,000 million menu options.
	Yes.
	I don't use it anymore, though, because it's kind of, like, low quality.
	Okay.
	But Clip Studio is even worse for that stuff.
	Um... But then I was like, I need an actual app, because after a long time, I was like, this is not gonna...
	work for long enough or not work for long enough exactly but it's it's just not a long term like Solution for this to say the least.
	But then, um, I just went, I mean, if you enjoy it, honestly, there's no tips I can give you.
	If you enjoy it, just figure it out.
	I mean, I didn't watch any videos.
	I just figured it out.
	Like if you really enjoy something, nothing's going to stop you and you won't need a whole bunch of tips to do it.
	So I would say don't animate unless you really like it because it's really tedious.
	So if it's something like you don't like doing, don't try and get into it because it's not one of those things that's going to grow on you.
	In fact, it's probably one of those things that you're going to learn to hate.
	Right, right.
	Your workflow is whole, though, so did you come up with a story idea?
	I wrote a script, and then I imagined the voice acting and the images and the animation in my head, and then after the voice acting and stuff was done, I did some storyboarding just on paper.
	And then a little bit online, but most of it was just on paper and then I did the final storyboarding on online
	Then I made the backgrounds Then I input in the backgrounds and then I started actually
	doing the animation because once you have the backgrounds you can figure out where the light
	sources are so you can actually draw like accordingly because
	Because if I did the animation first, the shadow would probably stay on one side as he walked across the room, which is not going to happen, because they were all set in a spaceship, because they were all about the game Among Us, and there are lights everywhere in the spaceship, so if it just stayed one place, that's why I had to do the backgrounds first.
	But the earlier ones you did, and I know you're saying they're not animation, they ended up being somewhat animated, although you weren't drawing the Gatchalay stuff.
	Those, I don't count that.
	In fact, I basically erased Gatchalay from my mind, because that was probably my cringiest phase, and probably my worst phase, so we're not going to talk about that.
	How did you keep going, because you would do, animation sometimes would take you months.
	Yeah, I mean, I really just was like, I told people I'm getting it done by July 1st.
	I'm getting it done by July 1st.
	Right, right.
	So you just make a plan.
	I'm done by July 10th, which I think was really good considering it was a 20 minute animation.
	So it was really hard to estimate.
	It was a 20 minute animation.
	How many frames a second?
	It really varied.
	Some scenes were only 12 frames a second.
	Other scenes were like 60 frames a second.
	So it really depends.
	It was like just depending on like the animation itself, like for the meetings.
	Uh, not very high frames a second, because they're all just sitting there around a table.
	And you just have to maybe move the mouth a bit, right?
	They have no mouth, they are Among Us characters.
	Oh, that's right, right.
	Um, but I would move, like, the visor.
	I used the visor, kind of, to show expression, because I saw a lot of other animators doing that.
	Like, you get angry visor, and then happy visor.
	Yeah, so it was just, like, I'd change the shape a little bit to kind of convey emotions, because I didn't... I mean, it'd be kind of lame.
	All I'd have to do is, like, show them turning their head and rely solely upon the voice acting, which I didn't think was fair, so... Um...
	I basically did, the meetings were probably like 20 frames a second.
	Yeah.
	Some of the scenes where they were just walking in the distance didn't have to be very, like, fast.
	Fluid, right?
	A few pixels in the back, like, it's not that serious, so.
	Right.
	But, like, I think the, like, the death scenes or whatever, like, where the imposter, like, killed or whatever, those were probably very quick because they had to be quick movements, so those would probably be the 60 second frames.
	Well, and it's funny because I remember, of course, that your motivation would kind of go up and down a little bit.
	There were some scenes where I, like, absolutely... The meetings are amazing.
	I could probably get a minute done a day.
	Right.
	Uh, except only except 60 frames.
	Yes, that's very true.
	Actually, I think maybe 80 frames a second.
	I don't even think 60.
	So when they toasted my YouTube channel, what actually pained me more than the loss of all the philosophy in the comments was that those videos, I worked very hard way back in the day to make them 60 frames a second.
	And the other mirrored sites didn't have 60 frames a second.
	So basically the philosophy was only half as good because it went from 60 to 30 frames a second.
	No, I'm sure that's fine.
	listen to the videos not watch them because I mean it's not like one of
	those youtubers that puts up like like actual videos and like text and stuff so
	no I'm sure that's right I mean I think worrying about the audio quality is like
	okay I guess but maybe like the video quality not that serious well it's funny
	because after I put so much work into the audio quality I did a show the other
	day when I was driving back from some place I just held my phone up yeah and
	everyone was like did nobody cares oh by the way yes the Mario one
	I did actually hear that.
	I don't like the Mario games, but I did watch a lore video on Mario because I'm me.
	Fun fact, Mario doesn't say, It's-a me, Mario.
	He says, It's-a me, Mario.
	That's Japanese for super.
	She's right.
	About the audio, yeah.
	About, about what?
	Why are you doing that alien thing?
	So that people will watch the video.
	Okay, got it.
	Uh, let's see.
	Oh, I have seen this.
	Yes, Jihee Chan.
	Yeah, I've seen him before.
	Animations for Cartoons the Streamer.
	Yes.
	Okay, he's just making up words at this point.
	No, he's not.
	Jihee Chan.
	All right.
	And actually, there's a game called Donkey Kong.
	No, it's not a game, that's a character.
	No, it was actually a game way back in the day.
	I'm sorry, it was a game, but I mean, like, nowadays it's popularized as the character.
	Anyway, so it was called Donkey Kong, but it was a typo.
	It was supposed to be Monkey Kong, because there's no donkeys in the game, it's only monkeys.
	So it's called Donkey Kong, but it was supposed to be Monkey Kong, they just got the letter wrong.
	That's funny.
	Actually, I think it works better that way, because everyone loves Donkey Kong.
	Right.
	Your screen just leaked.
	Uh, right.
	Um...
	Let's see here.
	One about your father's parenting style.
	More than anything else, do you think all parents should practice with their kids?
	Should I leave the room for this one?
	Because it might, in fact, involve a tiny bit of praise for your father, which I know is painful for you.
	Oh, praise?
	I wasn't gonna go with that aspect, but like... Do you think all parents should practice with their kids?
	Absolutely not.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Can I just see it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Ow, paper cut.
	Just kidding.
	Are you kidding me?
	Look.
	Look at this nonsense.
	Clipboards.
	There and there.
	And I still can't straighten my thumb.
	Oh, because you fell off your rollerblades.
	Yeah.
	My thumb doesn't... I mean, it's getting better, but it still doesn't... Like, imagine trying to move your hair.
	You can't move your hair, right?
	That's how it is with my thumb.
	She's can only hitchhike in a small car.
	It's really awkward because I'm always carrying stuff with this hand and someone's like, can you do this?
	And I'm like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's going to come back, but it'll take time.
	Yeah.
	It's getting better for sure.
	Sorry, perhaps you missed the question.
	I should read it to you again.
	Now, do you want me to leave the room for this one?
	No.
	I might hear praise.
	Oh God.
	What about your father's parents?
	Um, I don't know.
	I think just being like involved and you know, a lot of people will be like, if they have a stay at home wife, but like a father that goes to work, then the father just doesn't really do anything with the kids until like teenagers.
	And he's more on the retire, like a retiring side of things.
	So I say just be involved during the younger ages of the kids.
	Maybe when they're a teenager, you can like leave them alone, but when they're younger, no, I'm kidding.
	I don't want to speak for you, of course, right?
	But I would say don't worry so much about what you do, just work on having fun together, right?
	It doesn't matter.
	We will go literally walking in a swampy river where the group is up to my knees just because we want to catch crayfish.
	Well, or it's like we'll say, hey, let's just go to X town for the day.
	We don't know what we're really going to do.
	We'll just go there and figure something out.
	So if you work... Great Canadian medical... I have a story about that.
	So, we go in for, like, the final x-ray once my brace is off or whatever, right?
	And, I mean, it still hurts a bit, but, like, I can- everything's fine.
	I can move my wrist around.
	There's no, like, movability.
	And I- I- she's like, yeah, you're good.
	And she's like, I'm just gonna take another x-ray.
	Just move your hand to the side or whatever, right?
	And I said, oh, yeah, by the way, I have a question.
	I can't really, like, straighten my thumb.
	Do you know, like, what that's- if that's gonna get any better?
	Like, what the problem is?
	She's like, oh, that's really weird.
	Yeah, that's not what you want to hear.
	That's not what I- I'm like, um- Also, first time, she just moved your- Oh, that wasn't her, that was a different lady.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So when, like, the second day after I broke my wrist, the second day, I, she, like, this lady there was giving me the brace, because I didn't even need a full cast, like, apparently it was not a very bad break.
	Yeah, it's a crack, really, more than a break.
	Yeah, so she just takes my arm, like, grabs my arm, Turns it for you?
	Like, since shooting pain, like, it really hurts.
	It's so sore, I, like, have to sleep with it, like, on three pillows so that it doesn't change position.
	Like, that's how much it hurts.
	Oh, yeah.
	Um, and she, like, shoves it onto my hand, like, very aggressively.
	And I'm like, I literally, like, take her hand, I'm like, stop it!
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't, I don't know about that.
	That seems odd to me.
	Like, that almost hurt more than... Oh, yeah, here's also another story.
	So, I fell, and my phone fell out of my pocket.
	So I did not know at this point.
	I thought my wrist, like, it felt really numb.
	And I was like, oh shoot, maybe I sprained it or something.
	And I'm like, well, my poor phone, it might be crashed.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	So I used my like broken wrist hand to pick up my phone.
	And it's crashed and I'm like, really devastated.
	And then I go home and I'm like, looking up and I'm like, sprained wrist symptoms.
	And I'm like, that is not even like, nearly as bad.
	Your second hand, no battery, crap phone.
	I don't know what's cracked.
	With my first one, I get my paycheck, I'm getting a new phone.
	I desperately need a new phone.
	Yeah, you can actually watch the battery life go down.
	Oh yeah, if you want to know something new that you'll absolutely love.
	Yeah.
	So there's a little top area, and this shows up sometimes, but it actually hasn't gone away this time.
	Yeah.
	Um, there's just like a little spot, or a few spots in the top that just don't show anything, they're just red.
	I- I heard.
	Yeah.
	I heard.
	Um...
	Oh, what was I going to say?
	Well, so the funny thing is, and I once fell off a bike and I cracked, I didn't break, but I cracked my forearm.
	So what your body does, I think this is just evolutionarily speaking, like what your body does is it says, okay, I'm not going to hurt right now because I assume you need to get away from the fight or the bear or the war or like, I'm not going to... Oh, it hurt real bad!
	No, but you, no, because it hurt much more later, right?
	I would say, yeah, it hurt the most when I first got it x-rayed.
	No, no, sorry, just when it happened, you didn't know.
	I did, I couldn't move my fingers.
	Right, but it didn't hurt quite as much as it did later.
	No, I couldn't move my fingers because it hurt.
	Oh, okay.
	I could, but it hurt so bad that I couldn't move them.
	Okay, because I thought maybe you thought you'd sprained it or something like that.
	No, I realized that when I picked up my phone and I just felt like this absolute excruciating pain through my arm.
	I'm like, oh, that's probably not ideal.
	Okay, yeah, so for me it was like I was able to bike home and then the pain just sort of grew and grew after that.
	Oh, okay.
	Alright.
	The worst part for me was when I was in the first x-ray and she was like, turn your wrist.
	And I couldn't like, hold up, this is not the hand I broke, but she was like going this.
	Yeah.
	And I literally, like, I could not do it.
	Oh, bone stuff is crazy painful.
	Yeah.
	Because, yeah, bone stuff is crazy painful.
	Free healthcare for the... Honestly, didn't hurt until hours later.
	Yeah, you're lucky because, like, that's not what... Maybe it's a man thing?
	Maybe.
	Yeah, it could be because it's a... Need help more instantly and the guys are probably out at battle.
	Yeah, so it's battle or it's some creature or something.
	So your body is like, I'll get you out of the battle and then you'll pay.
	Yeah, because I feel for the women, if they do it, they can get healthcare pretty fast.
	Yeah, yeah, because closer to home, right?
	Yeah, because also you'd have to get home, right?
	Yeah.
	Alright, um... Hi Izzy, my girls are just a little younger than you.
	What advice do you have for them entering their teen years?
	Any advice on how to navigate friendships?
	Do you really need to navigate friendships?
	No, I don't really think you need to navigate.
	I don't get that.
	What do you mean by, like...
	I think they're saying that friendships are complicated and how do you navigate them.
	If they're complicated, don't be friends with them.
	It should be- If it's a mess, why are you friends?
	Like- Right.
	iPhone fans are- iPhone, man.
	iPhone.
	I'm sorry.
	Like, I like Android, but like, your social status would plummet.
	I don't know what weird voodoo- You know, this is the equivalent of Taylor Swift.
	I'm an Android phone and do you feel dirty texting me on the Android phone?
	I do.
	I'm like, oh, it's the green text message.
	Yeah.
	So in your friend group, the iPhone is important, right?
	I don't particularly care.
	I just know that if I get an Android as my next phone, my friends are just going to be like, come on, what are you doing?
	Canadian and an Android?
	It's all over.
	It's all over.
	Yeah.
	So I don't think friendships should be complicated.
	The whole point of friendships is that they're supposed to be a net positive to your life and they're not supposed to be complicated.
	So navigating friendships... You shouldn't need to navigate.
	If it doesn't come easily, stop.
	Just keep them as an acquaintance.
	Don't become friends.
	Be yourself and see if people like you.
	There's really not much else you can do in life.
	Oh, yeah, some guy said Android.
	Yeah, I do think Android has probably got better tech.
	Android is a green flag.
	Honestly, I wish I like I honestly think I could agree with you.
	But the thing is, in today's society, women care so much about whether you have an iPhone or an Android, that if a guy has an iPhone, it shows he's willing to invest.
	For a slightly more expensive phone, just because it means people will view him better.
	So yes, I do think Android... He's a slave to the marketing machine!
	I didn't mean that.
	I'm just saying, I think it's like the people who could either take a Walmart bag to carry their stuff into school, or an actual backpack.
	Because the backpack is just gonna give you more status.
	It's gonna show that you actually care about how you look.
	So look, I like Android.
	I think they have... I think their interfaces are pretty bad.
	But I think they take good pictures.
	You can do more on Android.
	Yeah.
	I definitely think, I think for the most case, iPhone is probably a better investment.
	My chem engineer- Yes, I said for most cases, I didn't say every single time it's gonna get you like- Are you getting nicked?
	Yes.
	Pick the Android.
	Look.
	My chemical engineer girlfriend- That means she's a working woman, that's all I'm saying.
	No, no, but chemical engineer girlfriend is fantastic.
	Cause you can like, make- No, because they already have.
	Did you honestly think that there was going to be a joke that was beneath me?
	to you we don't know he would go better with the joke that's why I didn't say
	No.
	that you thought that joke did you honestly think that there was gonna be a
	joke that was beneath me no if there's one thing I've taught you are gonna pick
	the Android some people who don't particularly care about like the social
	stuff or whatever and also Android is probably more costs like it's worth it
	for the price sometimes but I'm just saying generally iPhone is probably a
	social investment more than and like it like what's it call like um
	Social capital?
	Like, social value?
	No, it's social investment over, like, a personal enjoyment investment.
	Like, you know, I'm gonna wear uncomfortable clothes as an investment.
	To look good, right?
	It's probably good, right?
	It's just... Like, if we go to a renaissance fair, you're gonna wear clothes... Well, I think that's actually kind of comfortable.
	Oh, they are?
	Okay.
	Of course, that's so easy.
	I don't have to slug my thumpkin.
	I know.
	I need one.
	I need two.
	So, I can't remember.
	I think I told you the story about my friend in high school who would bring... Oh, that's what I was... The example I was using.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	So, this is... For those who don't know, I've said this story before.
	I keep it really brief.
	My friend in high school would bring plastic... He would bring his stuff to school in plastic bags rather than a cool Adidas bag.
	And he was like, well, it's free.
	And I'm like, is it though?
	Is it really free?
	Because he never ended up dating.
	One person said, why would you want to be around people that don't care, that care about what phone you have?
	Yes, that's an interesting, deep question of morals, ethics, and integrity.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	No, it's an interesting question.
	So, I think, with my, like, friend group, we don't, it would be more like if I got an android, they'd mock me, and they, it would be like a joke, though, they wouldn't gently- It's not serious.
	They wouldn't seriously think, oh my gosh, you're so low status, why are you doing that, we can't be friends, like, it's not that, they'd be like, ha, imagine having an android, like, just stuff like that, but it wouldn't be serious.
	It's like Nickelback, like, not liking Nickelback, it's not a serious thing, it's just a joke, right?
	It wouldn't be, like, We can't spend time with you.
	Yeah, it would just be a joke and they'd mock me for it or whatever, but it wouldn't be like serious and it'll be like fun and games, right?
	So what would happen is you'd have a vulnerability around your friends, which would be exploited and mercilessly attacked and exploited, right?
	I mean, again, it's just like, generally, I think it's just a little better sometimes to have an iPhone.
	But again, I don't think it particularly matters.
	If you don't want an iPhone, I'm not saying you have to get one.
	I'm just saying this is my view on it.
	And also, there's cool features.
	Like, if everybody has an iPhone, you can easily add... Okay, social conformity.
	Guys, it's not that serious!
	Wait, wait.
	At Free Domain, we aim for social conformity.
	Oh, snarkiness!
	So, you see, this is the audience.
	Let me just take a break here, because I need you to understand this lovely audience that we have here.
	Okay, so hang on, hang on.
	If you're hanging out with someone, it's better to not be on your phone anyway.
	Do you remember how they sided with you with regards to the music?
	And now they've turned on you like vicious, rabid pit bulls.
	I just want to say, you know, if you're old enough that you don't really understand the
	new generation, that's really not my problem.
	Maybe you should just get a little younger, maybe take some pills to refresh your memory.
	I'm just saying it might be good because I think I've explained myself.
	I'm kidding.
	I gotta tell you, the youth card is a little unarguable.
	Everyone's shame is here.
	Yeah, honestly, go for it.
	I'm not saying I agree with this method of using the Android over the iPhone.
	I'm sorry, using the iPhone over the Android.
	I'm not saying I agree with it.
	I'm just saying it's something about, especially my generation, that I have to accept.
	Okay, so let's ask Izzy the most important question.
	Green bubbles give me the ick!
	Oh, literally, I cannot stand them.
	That color is just not girly pop.
	I'm looking for a man in fine arms, 6'5", blue eyes, iPhone, fine- Okay.
	That doesn't show up in my music recommendations!
	That is not my style of music!
	Like, it literally- It's not music!
	Whatever it is, but it showed up- Can I get the apron?
	Yeah, I'm sorry, guys.
	I'll get my Zimmer frame?
	What does that mean?
	What is Zimmer Frame?
	You're so old, even I don't know what your lingo is.
	At least you admit it.
	At least it's not ancient history yet.
	You're gonna shame my ass.
	Honestly, go for it.
	No, so here's the important question.
	The important question, oh Izzy, is this.
	It's not so much whether your friends would shame you for having an Android phone.
	The question is, if one of your friends shows up with a new phone and it's an Android phone, what would you do?
	I would shame them.
	Oh, you would shame them.
	Okay.
	So you're part of the circle of viciousness.
	It would be very funny.
	I mean, I wouldn't be like, wow, you actually suck.
	I'd probably say that, but as a complete joke, like I don't particularly care.
	It's just funny, right?
	It's easier sometimes because you can remove people from group chats if everyone has like the same phone and there's more customization and stuff like that.
	But I mean, it's, it's literally not that serious.
	I think if either all have Android or all have iPhone, but when it's everyone in groups, some people have iPhone, some people have Android, it's just harder to get like the tech working because there's not very good overlap.
	Right.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Right.
	To punch Apple fans?
	Steph once said he carved an exception to the non-aggression principle to punch Apple fanboys.
	I think when you're obsessing over it and you're willing to get a new phone for like $5,000 every year, that's when it's too much.
	Or the people who line up all night.
	I've had it for two years.
	Who knows how long it was before?
	It's an iPhone like eight or something.
	Okay, I got it for like... Six, wasn't it?
	I think it's eight.
	It's old.
	Yeah, it's old.
	And I got it for like 120 bucks.
	Okay, like that's what I mean.
	I'm not one of those fanboys.
	Now, but here's the thing.
	So your friends will mock people, and particularly you.
	I think they've been a comment or two about height.
	Like Izzy is actually standing.
	No, I'm kidding.
	She's not the tallest lady in the known universe.
	He's on a high chair.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I could use some soft food.
	So what was the phrase?
	Imagine having to Jump?
	What was it?
	Imagine... what was it?
	They were jumping up to touch something?
	Or... reaching up!
	And then you had to jump.
	I jumped and I still missed it.
	So they could just... because they're all like 6'3", 6'4", 6... whatever, right?
	There's a 6'5 guy who's like literally exactly one year older than me.
	We have the same birthday.
	He's one year older and he's 6'5 and I'm 5'3.
	So they touch something high up and you jump and can't reach it.
	And they say, imagine having to jump.
	Yeah.
	And even the other guy, even the other guy who was like, I don't know, similar to my height.
	He was like 5'6 or something.
	Now he's growing.
	Now he's like 5'10.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, I'm left at the bottom.
	Oh, the Zimmer frame.
	And you know what's sad?
	When they x-rayed my wrist to see if it had damaged my growth plates, my growth plates are closed.
	Like, I'm done.
	I'm stuck here.
	Yeah.
	It's heels or nothing.
	Um, uh, Britishism for a walking frame.
	Oh, that's like the walkers that old people have to move ahead.
	Alright, so I think we're done with the Android-iPhone wars.
	Oh, I can start it up again.
	Give me a minute.
	Yes, indeed.
	Alright, what do we got here?
	Uh...
	He-heeeh...
	He-heeeh...
	Alright.
	Now, I know we've answered this before.
	Yes.
	But we have new ducks.
	We do.
	We have new ducks.
	We keep getting new ducks.
	It's really bad.
	Izzy, when you go back up, if you can send me a couple of pictures, I'll put them in the chat here.
	Well, I think I can probably show them on the screen.
	Oh, okay.
	Actually, I don't know.
	My iCloud stopped working.
	My phone doesn't do iCloud anymore, so I don't really have pictures on here.
	All right.
	Just ask the question.
	I'm just like... Okay.
	Why ducks?
	Will this become more than a hobby?
	Will you become a duck farmer?
	To be honestly serious, I have no idea why ducks.
	They're just fun.
	I mean, I kind of like ducks.
	This is a picture of one.
	Can I show this?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Turn my brightness up.
	Oh, Landscape, Portrait.
	There we go.
	Oh, it works.
	Alright.
	Obviously, that's the one.
	Do you want me to hold it?
	No, I got it.
	I can hold it so people can see it.
	That was a long time ago.
	He's much bigger now.
	Like, he's very big and he's actually got wings.
	Yeah.
	Well... They're coming in.
	Yeah.
	Winglets.
	He lost the ducks and replaced them with new ones.
	You know, he doesn't even know the names of the ducks.
	I don't think he'd be able to find ducks that look like them.
	Name the four.
	Okay.
	There's Inky, Binky, Donkey, and Nod, Snack, Crapple, and Pop.
	That is way more than four.
	Oh, right.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Uh, Pedro?
	No.
	Paolo?
	No.
	San Paolo?
	Seriously?
	And, uh, Astarian!
	We did not name a god Astarian!
	Come on!
	Okay, the names have changed.
	One.
	Okay, the names changed once, and that was, like, a month ago.
	I know, but that's a lot of change for me.
	It was only after they hatched.
	Oh, a bandit?
	Uh-huh.
	Bandit!
	Okay, good.
	Moving on.
	Let's go back to William- Bandit, Sonny, Piper, and Penny.
	Penny used to be Pablo.
	Piper used to be Pedro.
	Sonny used to be Daisy, until we realized that Sonny might not be a girl, so we changed the name to Sonny because we weren't sure, and now Sonny's definitely a boy, but I'm not changing the name again.
	It's a strange thing, you know, I can- And Bandit was always Bandit, sorry, go ahead.
	I can remember, like, complex moral or philosophical arguments- Excuse me!
	So, I can remember complex philosophical and moral arguments from, like, 2000 years ago, but when it comes to duck names, suddenly I'm Joe Biden.
	I don't know why it is.
	Do you remember, like, the duck we had for, like, almost two years?
	Donut?
	Yeah!
	Hey!
	Donut!
	There we go.
	All right.
	Hey, it's Izzy.
	I really like ducks.
	I do want to become a duck farmer.
	Yes.
	I've mentioned this in previous shows.
	I do still have the plan at some point that to breed like a duck that's really domestic.
	So basically pretty, like the Muscovy ducks, they're very friendly.
	They're very nice.
	Yep.
	They're too big.
	They take too long to mature.
	Yep.
	They're not attractive.
	Like, facially, people don't like the warts.
	They have, like, the turkey face.
	People don't like that stuff.
	And that comes in when they're older.
	And what are they called again?
	Um, I believe it's Carnclis.
	Carnicles.
	Carnicles?
	No, Carnclis.
	I think I got it wrong.
	Carnicles?
	Carnclis.
	Oh, Carnicles.
	I've seen it.
	No, Carnclis.
	Missed opportunity to name one Donald.
	I know, we did have him named Donald for a bit, it just didn't stick.
	You know, like, I hate to- this sounds so stupid, but, like, there's some names- done gender fluid, I wish!
	Um, there's some names that just, like, it didn't stick.
	Like, we wanted to name one of them, like, um, Marigold, and we had Lily, we went for the female, like, flower name, so we just thought that'd be a cute, like, theme.
	It just didn't stick.
	You know, I don't particularly like the names we have right now, but they fit the ducks we have very well.
	Right.
	Um, that probably sounds very dumb.
	So...
	Let's see.
	Sorry, I'm just checking here.
	Is a waitressing job a good way for a teenage girl to overcome her shyness?
	No.
	I'm not shy.
	Let me tell you, I'm not shy.
	Waitressing, I definitely want to be waitressing.
	I'd have to go to a place that doesn't serve alcohol because you have to be 18.
	I believe also almost every place you have to be 16.
	So I cannot do that probably until the winter.
	Unless I just don't, you know, don't say my age.
	I'm probably, I think I'm actually supposed to be 16 at the place I'm working at right now.
	But apparently, I mean, they don't really care.
	The owner said I was, like, really sweet, and the moment she saw me, she wanted to hire me.
	It's perfectly fine for you to have a job.
	So, yes, there's a question.
	Do you have to do something?
	Groupthink is usually dangerous.
	Okay, guys.
	Sorry, do you have to?
	Oh, so groupthink is usually dangerous.
	Okay, come on, guys.
	Danger!
	It's a freaking phone, okay?
	It's not that serious.
	It's literally not that serious.
	It's a phone, okay?
	It's not...
	Okay, never mind.
	I'm done.
	Don't let them troll you.
	Sorry, do you have something?
	Do you have to do something to their wings so the ducks can't fly away?
	We've had to in the past.
	We had two ducks.
	So we had three ducks.
	One of them was too fat to fly.
	I don't actually know why because we gave them all the same amount of food.
	She was just a really big- She must have just elbowed them aside, right?
	She was really big as a duckling.
	She was just huge.
	She probably was like 15 pounds.
	I don't even think that was fat.
	She was just really- 15 pounds?
	As a duckling?
	No, no.
	That's- What, did she come out of a dinosaur egg?
	My god, above!
	That's mad!
	Should I stop or keep going?
	Okay, Ashton answered.
	Sorry, please go ahead.
	I'm gonna move me out of the way.
	Okay.
	Come back.
	Sorry.
	We're good.
	So, she was just always a really big duck,
	She was very affectionate.
	She always came to us and stuff like that.
	But we had two that Had an affinity for our neighbors' backyards.
	Yep.
	And constantly leaving, so it was a really great way to get to know our neighbors.
	You stole our ducks!
	War is declared!
	We did have to clip their wings, which they did not appreciate.
	I believe you held them and I took their wing out, and you just snip the feathers with a pair of scissors.
	Just get your garden scissors and just snip.
	And it's funny because I thought- You just have to be careful to watch the blood feathers, which are typically on the edge of the wing and at the base, where the actual wing attaches to the feathers.
	So you just have to cut midway through.
	Because they're veins in some of the- Yes, and those are the blood feathers.
	And if you do, they will probably bleed out.
	You have to rip out the whole feather for them not to, which really hurts, and I don't want to do that.
	No, because funny, I thought wing clipping was like a big thing, but basically you're just snipping the edge of the feathers, right?
	There are ways.
	It's called pinioning, which is when they're duckling and you actually cut their wing.
	Yeah.
	But I think that's very cruel because that's, I don't know.
	You're taking away their whole identity as ducks, right?
	Well, and also it hurts.
	I mean, just because they're a duckling doesn't mean they don't feel pain.
	You're basically just cutting their wing off.
	Like, I mean, that's not good.
	Yeah, that is not good.
	There are some times where clipping can be a big deal, but don't start to worry.
	It might be an emu.
	I guarantee you she was not an emu.
	I value individuality.
	That being said, I just ordered an iPhone.
	That's what I think.
	I think he gets it.
	Customer service will permanently traumatize you into being shy.
	I don't think that's true.
	C2Spark gets it, okay?
	I mean, I value individuality, but I also value, you know, Not- I want to say status, because that's not it.
	I'm not hugely status-oriented.
	I just found my group of people and they happen to be not, like, losers, right?
	Which I'm fortunate about.
	But I just- I don't know.
	I just value- I don't know.
	You get what- You know what?
	Whatever.
	I'm done.
	The words are not wording.
	Well, so here's the thing.
	I mean, you've never had an Android tablet.
	I have.
	Oh, no, so sorry.
	Yes, you did.
	Sorry.
	This is the first non-Android.
	No, you're right.
	You're right.
	So you know the interface.
	I don't like the interface.
	I like iPhones.
	So you like the iPhone interface?
	I take a lot of photos.
	I don't particularly care about the quality.
	So I don't need an iPhone.
	I mean, iPhones, I think, have terrible quality compared to Android.
	But you also take about four to five thousand screenshots an hour.
	Not as many more.
	Volvo, BMW, I don't give a crap about cars, but I will tell you, BMWs are really ugly.
	But so are Volvos.
	Honestly, I don't like either.
	I think get a truck.
	Do you care about...
	You need something to transport the ducks, right?
	No, not even that.
	Just trucks are efficient.
	Just get a big truck.
	That is not what I need.
	A truck, like not like a big like shipping truck, but just like maybe either a minivan with like a big back or whatever, just because make it efficient so that you can take like places, sorry, take stuff places, fit a lot of people into the car.
	You know, if your car only fits five people, you suck.
	I know we have a car that only fits five people, so we suck.
	You get what I'm saying?
	Yep.
	I hear what you're saying.
	So the Dart Farmer, um, I actually asked this question the other day.
	I asked this- Stay in Minecraft.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	What?
	Cybertrucks just look like a Minecraft car.
	Duckmobile.
	What service?
	McDonald's workers ignoring- Oh, honestly, it's absolutely terrible.
	Yeah.
	So, I did actually ask Izzy the other day, okay, what's your ideal number of ducks to have on a duck farm?
	I have no idea.
	I mean, if I'm doing selective breeding to try and create like the ideal pet duck or whatever- Right.
	Then however many I need, I'll probably order 20, 25 to 30.
	And then breed selectively from there?
	Yeah, take the best options, then just keep going from that.
	So, I mean, I'm probably going to end up with a lot.
	Hundreds, right?
	Maybe a hundred.
	Any more than that, I'd probably get too chaotic, but I actually know someone who has 300 chickens.
	Remember we met her and we talked to her?
	We got to talk about the chicken hunt.
	Probably.
	This is a truly, to me, this was pretty wild.
	I went full primal.
	I went full, like, Lord of the Flies, ape jungle guy.
	Okay, so we were driving.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter where.
	We were driving and we saw... We saw it too.
	I saw.
	I saw a chicken on the side of the road.
	How long do ducks live?
	It varies from duck in the wild.
	It also depends whether you're in China or not.
	Four to ten years in the wild.
	Um, that's if you're like a mallard derived duck.
	Or I guess there really are little mallards.
	The wild ones can honestly live less or longer.
	It really depends.
	Am I a cool girl or a nerd?
	I mean, I have some nerdy like interests, but overall I would say I'm on like I'm not in the popular group, but I'm also not in the nerd group.
	But you're in the most popular group you want to be in.
	Yeah, the popular kids, I don't know.
	I see them a little stereotypical, and I don't really mind that.
	They're a little bit more conformist.
	Yeah, we're in the group that's not nerds, also not quite... Super cool.
	Super cool.
	But you know, we're good enough.
	To me, that's a sweet spot, because the super cool stuff is a bit too confining.
	I'm very happy with the group I'm in, and for me, I don't particularly care whether we're popular or unpopular.
	I just want to have good friends.
	Sorry, also we were back to duck length, so in domesticated ducks.
	Domesticated ducks, the longest one I believe is 44 years.
	But on average, 10 to 15?
	15 to 25.
	15 to 25, yeah, so you're investing.
	Oh yeah, you're going in for it.
	Um, so my question was, how many ducks would it take for you to not name them individually?
	I wouldn't.
	And the answer is... If there were some ducks that I just didn't particularly care about, then I might not, because those ones are probably going to get sold anyways.
	Right.
	But if, you know, I'd probably name at least like 80% of them.
	Right.
	And the funny thing is that you would actually, like, I'd name them, sure.
	But would I be able to tell who was named, but you would actually remember based on the patterns.
	We had one time where it was like a whole long story, but we had to give our ducks to a different farm for a certain amount of time.
	We didn't see them for probably eight months.
	And, uh, I came back and it was a flock of white Muscovies.
	And I picked out the three white Muscovies we had immediately.
	I saw them as we were driving in.
	I think honestly, I think because the men were hunting and the women were doing the domesticated stuff, I think that's just a talent.
	Yeah, maybe.
	I mean, I know some guys, I mean, my friends can recognize the ducks.
	So let's talk about the day of the hunt.
	The Bloodsport.
	Did you ever hang with mean girls?
	Yes, I did actually for a bit.
	No, never again.
	That's why I'm kind of friends with guys.
	I hate to be one of those girls, but like, I don't want the drama, okay?
	It's not that serious.
	Drama!
	I mean, I hang out with, like, there's girls in the group that I definitely hang out with a lot.
	Yeah.
	But I'm primarily, like, I'll do, like, I'll play a lot of Minecraft and stuff with the guys and stuff and just other games sometimes.
	So, um, but the girls don't really do that.
	The girls, I don't know.
	I like them a lot.
	They're not super, I mean, they're very nice people, but they're not super active.
	They're just kind of like, don't do anything.
	What the heck is that?
	That looks like you, but with hair.
	A little bit, yeah.
	Okay, so... It's like a meme.
	Oh, it's a whole thing.
	Alright.
	Okay, that's a politics thing.
	So we were driving, and we were kind of in a country road, and we saw chickens.
	In the deep woods.
	You saw a chicken.
	It was on the side of the road and it was on the left side and on the left side there's like a little bit of grass and then forest.
	Just straight up like totally natural forest, right?
	Yeah.
	So we thought that they were escaped or maybe they fell off a truck or something like that.
	So we wanted to go and help them into a pot.
	No, we just wanted to go and help them.
	We had nets in the car.
	Yeah, because we had gone from a river walk to get crayfish and fish, right?
	So, um, my heart began pounding almost immediately because I went into full, primal, old-staff, Irish-German hunting mode.
	We actually found two, and then we lost them, and then you found them again.
	I saw them again, yeah.
	And I almost got them at that point, and we never got them.
	And it was so thick in there.
	Like, it was a kind of bush, like, because I used to work up north, of course.
	It was crazy.
	You've fallen logs, you've got swamps, squishy stuff, scratchy branches everywhere.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You could slip through that like a tadpole.
	Yeah, whereas I was sort of crashing through it like, uh, I don't know.
	Yeah, that's right.
	In a nice way, that's a good tip.
	Oh, a tip.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Thank you.
	Merci du fond de coeur.
	All right.
	Tip.
	All right.
	Let's say, you know what, let's say all the tips in the next 10 minutes go to Iz.
	How's that?
	No, I'm working.
	I don't need this.
	All right.
	I mean, I'd appreciate it, but no.
	Okay.
	Let's say 10 minutes.
	All the tips.
	I actually have got to go in probably really soon because I have to get ready.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I've been working one.
	It's like a bit of a drive and I, you know, get ready.
	They make me wear shirts.
	What?
	They're making me wear the merch shirt.
	Oh, yeah.
	Not the merch shirt, whatever.
	Izzy, do you like traveling?
	Not at all.
	You really don't?
	I hate traveling.
	Hi Izzy, I'm now 30 and a woman, and I've followed you since you were 3.
	I love hearing how fun and interesting you are.
	Aw, that's really sweet.
	Thank you.
	That's very nice.
	Very nice.
	Anyways, the chickens.
	Yeah, we didn't end up catching them, but here's the embarrassing part.
	So we went to a few people on the street, and we were like, do you guys have chickens?
	Yeah.
	Because we found some.
	Yeah.
	They were all like, no, but that's nice of you for asking, whatever, right?
	Yeah.
	And then we go back to our car, right across the street, there's a giant chicken farm, and a whole bunch of chickens on the other side of the road.
	Now, theoretically, we wouldn't have spent 45 minutes getting the living heck scratched out of her skin.
	No, not scratched.
	My arm was like here.
	It's kind of gone, but...
	Show remains of arm.
	This here was like genuinely a lump.
	Yeah.
	Like, it looks like a tumor and it was, I don't even know what the heck bit me.
	Oh, it could have been some sort of plant venom.
	It didn't even, no, it was a bite, like a chunk out.
	But like, I have no idea what the heck that was.
	It wasn't itchy.
	It was just, it just hurt.
	And I just went into, um, if we don't catch this, my family will starve to death.
	Like, it just became completely primal, absolutely insane, and deeply enjoyable.
	No, of course, we just, we wanted to take them and get them, well, and also see if we could find out their home and all that kind of stuff, right?
	But it was, um, yeah, it was something else.
	Like, I don't know if you've ever gone that hunting stuff, right?
	Not a human skull, but like an animal skull.
	Yeah, you found a skull.
	We still have it.
	It's in the garage.
	Yeah.
	We don't know what it is, but it's big.
	I think it's a fox or coyote skull.
	Well, I don't know.
	Cause it has to be, I don't even know if it's a skull because there's no teeth on it.
	Oh, is it top part?
	Like no lower jaw?
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, no.
	There's no like jaw.
	There's no teeth on it.
	So I originally thought it was a skull, but now I'm thinking it's just like mysterious.
	It's a cartoon dragon skull.
	Because it's no teeth, which means we would call it, oh, what do we call it?
	Toothless.
	Toothless.
	How does that ring a bell?
	I don't want a job.
	That's my dream job.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Duck!
	What duck?
	Duck farmer.
	Duck farmer.
	Yeah, I mean, I want to be on a farm, but I mean, probably I'm going to be spending a good chunk of my time being like a stay-at-home mom because I do plan to have kids and stuff.
	So.
	Right.
	Relatively young.
	When I find a guy, I mean.
	Did you guys take the chick-ken home?
	Oh, chick-ken!
	I thought that was chick-ken like in Ken and Barbie.
	Uh, no, we didn't catch them.
	Like, they- they were- you touched them.
	No, with the- with the net.
	With the net.
	But the grasses were too high and my net broke because it was a dollar store net for like two dollars.
	Oh, yeah.
	Those nets are crazy.
	So what happened was, it was thick grass, so of course with thick grass, when you take the net and you put it down on the chickens, they just go under.
	To be honest, if I had just lunged at it, I definitely could have caught it.
	Right.
	But since at this point, my wrist still hurt pretty bad, and it still hurts.
	Okay, you know what hurts my wrist like crazy?
	At my job, they gave me napkins and things to fold.
	Like, you know when you get the napkins that are like folded around the cutlery with the little tie on them?
	Yeah.
	That hurts.
	Oh wow.
	Which is crazy because this thing's- I broke it like four months ago, three months ago or something.
	I don't even know.
	It was like late April.
	But the cast has been off for over a month and it still hurts.
	Yeah.
	Bone stuff takes a while, man.
	And it's good to have it when you're young.
	But I mean, honestly, it doesn't bother me.
	I can do everything day-to-day life.
	No rocks.
	I'm not throwing a rock at a chicken, bro.
	What's wrong with you?
	Okay.
	Sorry, we wanted to catch the chickens.
	We just specified that we were not going to eat them.
	Yeah.
	We just specified we wanted them alive, man.
	Come on.
	Okay, so, Joe, um, the fact that you- Joe Viva!
	Joe Mama!
	Sorry.
	The fact that you wanted to immediately throw rocks at the chickens is probably something like, uh, it's a confession of childhood, uh, upset.
	Let's just say.
	I have a question.
	Yeah.
	The comment says, Rocky, I and Mickey had Rocky chasing a chicken.
	Oh, so that's a Rocky first.
	Oh, gosh, this is way old.
	So there was a boxing movie written by a guy named Sylvester Stallone.
	I don't think we've ever seen him in a movie.
	Now, Sylvester Stallone was offered a million dollars for the script, and he said, no, I don't want the million dollars.
	I want a star in it.
	And they're like, we don't even know who you are.
	Like, why would we, we're not going to fund a movie anyway, but they desperately wanted the script.
	They offered him, and he was broke, like, literally living on people's couches.
	And he said, no, I want to, so he ended up starring in the movie, became one of the biggest movie stars in the 80s and 90s, and built his whole career off that.
	And in it, he plays a guy who wants to become a boxer, and the trainer, Has him chase a chicken to make his footwork better.
	Oh, nice.
	Because he's got no money, right?
	So how are you going to train?
	You can't even get into a gym.
	So we had him chase a chicken, and I think that's the scene that's being talked about.
	It's like Rocky 1.
	Okay, sorry, I thought you said Rocky.
	Because they were like Rocky, you know, and Rocky went on and on.
	They were like Rocky 5, like it just went on and on.
	It was a whole franchise.
	That's the Mario theme song.
	It's not the Mario theme song!
	It's Indy Mario.
	Easy!
	What's your favorite sport?
	Uh, it's baiting Android users.
	That is your favorite sport.
	Come on, let's reopen the wound.
	Okay.
	Go on.
	Um, I like, uh, chicken hunting.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Um, probably volleyball.
	I mean, I'm not a huge sports person.
	Uh, for me, I find I get more exercise, honestly, just going for runs or walks or whatever.
	Um, but yeah, I'd say, I'd say volleyball.
	If I do play sports, I enjoy volleyball a lot.
	Except for, and we won't put the gender in here.
	But the one thing that troubles me just a little bit, just a tiny bit, it's subtle, AC doesn't even know this.
	No idea.
	But one of the things that troubles me just a tiny bit is when people say, I want to play volleyball without adding in the manner of a potted plant.
	In other words, the ball comes and you just stand there.
	I used to be in a volleyball team!
	People don't have to be Pearl Davis, they don't have to be- And without gender, when it goes to it, it hiss it.
	But it stands there when it, uh...
	pronoun. Right. There is an Izzy's approach to volleyball is there's nothing I won't aim for.
	There's nothing I won't try for. My arms come out actually bruised. Yeah, yeah. You will actually
	remove an arm and throw it at the ball. I would too. Yeah, absolutely. I could not use like,
	I had obviously, you know, one arm was like not really functioning, but the other one
	like completely red and bruised afterwards.
	Which is okay, you know, I'll take it.
	I mean, I'll heal.
	That game?
	I might heal physically, but if I lose that game, my mental ego will be crushed.
	Yep.
	That will never heal!
	Your body heals, ego bruises it forever.
	Yes.
	I probably gotta go and get, like, All right.
	Okay, well, thank you, Izzy.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, everyone, for the show.
	It was only supposed to be like 20 minutes, but we stayed, so... That was great.
	Well, I had some great questions, and I appreciate your answers.
	Go have fun at work.
	Stay in touch, all right?
	Bye!
	Love you.
	All right.
	So, um, are you tall enough to spike your block?
	No, she's not really, but that's all right.
	Okay, so let me get back to here.
	Thank you, everybody.
	Um, Izzy had, uh, she was like, hey, why don't we do a live stream?
	And that was great.
	I'm glad she did.
	Lots of fun.
	All right.
	Sorry, let me just... Everyone's saying bye!
	All right.
	Sorry, let me just get this back in here.
	I'll try and do it without completely murdering your ears.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Yeah, I will say bye and thanks to everyone.
	If you are enjoying watching, of course, freedomain.com slash donate to help out the show would really, really appreciate it.
	These are the fruits of peaceful parenting.
	So this is a A girl, she's going to be 16 this year of course, so she's in her mid-teens and as I'm sure you remember me saying many moons ago, parenting is all about the teenage years.
	Like everything you do with parenting is related to how things are going to go in the teenage years.
	And of course, I think you can see and sort of understand that it really does help out, right?
	I mean, we have a great relationship.
	She's a lot of fun.
	And the teenage years, everybody was like, ooh, the terrible twos.
	We had no terrible twos.
	Everyone's like, oh, the teenage years, we're having a great time in her teenage years.
	And she's, you know, having a great time at her job.
	And she's doing great stuff and all of that.
	So she's really good at She's really good at her work and she's just a rogue, as you can see.
	It's a great delight.
	We have a huge amount of fun.
	So I'm just saying that the peaceful parenting stuff, it's not a demo, right?
	Because she's not like a lab rat or something like that.
	But it is sort of, this is not fake, right?
	This is sort of how we have fun.
	All right, let's see here.
	Great chat, have a good day, peace out.
	She seriously still loves you just as crazy much.
	It's beautiful and I'm so happy for you.
	Yeah, she's, I mean, she's honestly, she's, you know, with my wife and her, they're my favorite people in the whole world and I am just so enormously I'm blessed and privileged.
	I know I've earned it and all of that but I just you know in all great humility and honesty I just feel so incredibly blessed and privileged to be able to go through my life with such wonderful people.
	I mean it's great having an audience here and it's great having these people in my life and in my heart and I am As blessed as a human being can possibly be to have such great companions for my life and I of course I wish you if you have this congratulations.
	If you don't I wish you and will do everything in my power to try and get this to you.
	I want to share the blessings that philosophy has given to me and this is why the call-in shows to me are so important because whatever I can do to help share what I have been able to earn and achieve I will move heaven and earth to try and get it to everyone and that's part of what I do in the show and
	That is my life, right?
	I mean, that is my life.
	We spent time with her ducks this morning and chatting away, and then I had to come in and do the show, and she's like, hey, let's do a live stream, and that's right.
	All right.
	So, PeacefulParenting.com, check that out.
	Now I have a Steph question.
	What are your thoughts on the song In the Living Years by Mike and the Mechanics?
	From what I can tell, you and her mother seem to have done a great job raising her.
	I appreciate that.
	Every time you do a show with Izzy I get an intense motivation to get married and start a family, to give my kids a blessing I didn't have.
	Right, right, right.
	Well, I mean, I'm a guy who grew up without a father and every time I had any contact with my father it was unbelievably awkward and deeply weird.
	So, um, that is Putting my hands on my dad's face like that and at that age is unimaginable to me.
	Well, it's funny.
	It's funny.
	So, the song In the Living Years by Mike and the Mechanics.
	So, you know what's kind of funny?
	What's kind of funny?
	So, Mike and the Mechanics is a band that is the guitarist, I think, from Genesis.
	Now, the funny thing is, is that the song I wish I could have told you in the living years.
	It's beautifully sung, and I was like, holy crap!
	Why would Phil Collins be the singer?
	He's a fine singer too, but why would Phil Collins be the singer if the guitarist can sing like that?
	But I think it's another guy who, they said, this guy can sing the phone book.
	It's another guy who sang, not Anyone from Genesis.
	Because I was like, my gosh, if you have a singer like that.
	So, let me just refresh myself in the lyrics.
	The song is lovely.
	It's beautifully sung.
	It's very nice.
	Done.
	Every generation blames the ones before and all of their frustrations come beating on your door.
	I know that I'm a prisoner to all my father held so dear.
	I know that I'm a hostage to all his hopes and fears.
	I just wish I could have told him in the living years.
	So every generation blames the ones before and all of their frustrations come beating on your door.
	So there's a certain amount of mechanical, metronome, hamster wheel, it's inevitable.
	And I really dislike that as a message as a whole.
	Every generation blames the ones before.
	Well, of course, that's just not true, because a lot of people are like, well, my parents hit me and they were right for it, and I respect my elders, so they don't do that, right?
	I know that I'm a prisoner to all my father held so dear.
	I know that I'm a hostage to all his hopes and fears.
	So, prisoner and hostage, this inevitability, there's a determinism to this that I don't like.
	And it makes people feel very sad and nostalgic and tragic to think about the inevitability of all of this stuff.
	You know, if I would say, oh my gosh, it's so impossible for me.
	To know how to be a father because I was raised without a father and it's so impossible.
	I'm trapped by my mother's craziness and her violence and I'm helpless.
	It makes you feel sad and sentimental and weepy but it's a completely tragic lie that guarantees a repetition of abuse.
	So he says, crumpled bits of paper filled with imperfect thought, stilted conversations.
	I'm afraid that's all we've got.
	So he says, I just wish I could have told him in the living years.
	Well, you could have.
	See, I wish I could have told him.
	Could is an ambivalent word here, right?
	Because...
	You could say, I just wish I'd chosen to tell him.
	I just wish I could have.
	There's an impossibility.
	I can't.
	I just couldn't.
	And it's like, no, you could.
	You absolutely could.
	Right?
	I have this scene in my novel, The Present, where Rachel finally shows her father the appreciation for all of his work in her childhood.
	So she can do it.
	You say, you just don't see it.
	He says, it's perfect sense.
	You just can't get agreement.
	In this present tense, we all talk a different language, talking in defense.
	Say it loud, say it clear.
	You can listen as well as you hear.
	It's too late when we die to admit we don't see eye to eye.
	So there's this inevitability.
	Oh, I couldn't have.
	It's so tragic.
	It's so sad.
	And people cry about this kind of stuff.
	And it's like all of it was a choice.
	To speak, to not to speak, to open your heart, to close your heart, to be direct.
	I mean, the amount of time, fuck.
	The amount of time that people waste talking about garbage.
	Garbage and trivia and nonsense and weather and sports and bunions and gardening and jobs and money and trash and crap and nonsense.
	If we spoke heart to heart about what really matters to us with people we'd be functionally immortal because people waste their precious existence dealing with polysyllabic bullshit nonsense empty hearted trivial crap.
	I would rather be in the grave ten years earlier than have to spend the rest of my life dealing with detritus and trivia and nonsense and crap.
	Oh, so-and-so did such-and-such, and then she's all, and then he's all, and then this sports team did well, and can you believe Joe Biden did this, and can you believe the weather of this is kind of unseasonably hot for this one.
	We already caught some good fish yesterday, boy, that was good, good biting, good, good, good fishing yesterday.
	I've got a bit of an ache in my right hip, but I'm sure it'll be fine.
	And your father is this, and oh my God, oh my God, the trivia, the trivia.
	You know, I was taking out a coffee cup yesterday and it was a coffee cup that my daughter had made for me when she was very little.
	It's got dad and she painted it and all of that.
	And I thought, you know, well one day, one day, right, either I'm going to drop it and break it or it's going to drop and break and it'll be like, oh no, this cup, right?
	And then, or, or, you know, you know, I'm going to get old, I'm going to die, maybe my daughter will keep it or whatever, but it'll go in some basement and at some point it'll just be this ugly cup with the word dad on the side, right?
	All of the meaning will have evaporated along with my bones into the atmosphere.
	And I remember thinking, like, people get mad about dropping or breaking family heirlooms and things like that.
	Oh my gosh, that was the cup your grandmother gave me, and oh my gosh, that was the plate that your great-aunt gave me before she died.
	And it's like, so people get mad at losing family heirlooms, but they don't get mad at losing years of their life to frothy, bubble-headed, nonsense, pine-river pollution crap.
	Nonsense.
	Emptiness.
	Nothing.
	Nothingness.
	Oh, we just, we just, we just can't talk.
	We can't, we don't see eye to eye.
	It's like, so you can't talk when they're alive and you regret it after they die.
	So he says, so we open up a quarrel between the present and the past.
	We only sacrifice the future.
	It's the bitterness that lasts.
	So don't yield to the fortunes you sometimes see too late.
	It may have a new perspective on a different day.
	And if you don't give up and don't give in, you may just be okay.
	Okay, that doesn't mean anything.
	Don't give up and don't give in?
	May just be okay?
	What does that mean?
	I wasn't there that morning when my father passed away.
	I didn't get to tell him all the things I had to say.
	I think I called the spirit later that same year.
	I'm sure I heard his echo in my baby's newborn tears.
	I just wish I could have told him in the living years.
	But you chose not to.
	So this is demonic, right?
	This is saying, I did not teach him.
	I did not speak the truth to him.
	I just wish I could have.
	It's like, you chose not to.
	And maybe you did tell the truth to him.
	maybe you did tell the truth to him and he just fought and gas lit you and all of that
	now there's also one uh survival Gosh, what's the song called?
	Um... What's it called?
	Someday you'll understand Yeah, someday.
	As it's someday you'll understand.
	Someday never comes.
	Sorry, someday never comes.
	See, do we have our... our lyrics here?
	First thing I remember was asking Papa why, for there were many things I didn't know.
	And Daddy always smiled, took me by the hand, saying someday you'll understand.
	Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son, you better learn it fast, you better learn it young, cause someday he never comes.
	The time and tears went by, and I collected dust, for there were many things I didn't know.
	And Daddy went away, he said, try to be a man, and someday you'll understand.
	Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son, you'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young, cause someday never comes.
	And then one day in April, I wasn't even there, for there were many things I didn't know.
	A son was born to me, mama held his hand, saying, someday you'll understand.
	I think it was September, the year I went away, for there were many things I didn't know.
	And still I stay, and still I see him standing, trying to be a man.
	I said, someday you'll understand.
	Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son, you'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young, cause someday never comes.
	Oh, someday never comes.
	And that song, you know, kind of cracked my heart when I first heard it.
	Time and tears went by, and I collected dust, for there were many things I didn't know.
	Yeah, someday you'll understand, someday it'll all become clear, and that's the devil speaking.
	The devil speaks and says, you'll understand, it'll come to you, and you don't have to work for it, and you'll just, it'll happen to you, and someday never comes.
	And of course, the Fogarty brothers ended up fighting like literal demons over their band, and spent years or decades in court, and just horrible, horrible stuff.
	stuff. Alright. Alright.
	Alright. Alright.
	The Calvinist view.
	Yeah, I think it is.
	Dad gone 22 years, never one for having deep thoughts, watched movies, did not read books for fun.
	That sentimentality can take decades off a life.
	Yeah, true.
	Now his taste in music, movies, and cars rubbed off on me.
	There were good memories, but that does not change him being a monster in my mind I feared to wake even after he passed.
	In real life, he grew up where he worked nights.
	In real life, grew up where he worked nights.
	If he was woken before noon, that was big trouble.
	Steph, if you made a CD, I swear to God's I'd listen to it.
	Well, thank you.
	So, I hope you enjoyed that. I'll see you next time. Bye.
	I can't.
	I get a panic.
	I mean I'll be completely honest with you guys as I always try to be.
	In my heart and in my soul and in my spine if I live that helium trivia nonsense and again you know goofing around and having fun is enjoyable and there's nothing wrong with that.
	I mean so I'm not saying you know everything's got to be a deep examination of nature, truth, morality and reality but if I live on that surface stuff for too long I begin to panic.
	I feel this existential agony.
	Like, life is moving ahead and I'm being left behind.
	Or, you know, if I'm not getting along with someone and I need to deal with it, I can't sleep.
	I just feel this general oof about all of that so...
	The song Disarm by Smashing Pumpkins hits me pretty hard.
	It's about child abuse.
	Thank you.
	I will check that out.
	Southern Dads, right?
	Creedence Clearwater Revival, the southern band, right?
	And Southern Dads, it's really rough, right?
	Yeah, it was good singing for sure.
	I think you'd be great on some Irish songs.
	Oh, thank you.
	The singing it's not about.
	I mean, I don't have a great voice, but if you connect with the material, it can communicate what needs to be communicated.
	But thank you, I appreciate the compliments.
	So, yeah, this sense of tragedy and inevitability, chose to get out of my youthful relationships with no regrets.
	I don't look back and say, I should have, I should have, I should have.
	You know, I mean, with very few exceptions, if I liked a girl, I'd ask her out.
	Sometimes she said yes, sometimes she'd say no, but at least there's no looking back with regret.
	And let me ask you this, let me ask you this.
	Do you ever go back and check up on people from your youth?
	I mean it's a funny thing now because you can do it fairly easily with social media.
	Do you ever do that where you just go back in time, so to speak, as a time travel?
	And there's something about the mid to late 50s that childhood is coming back pretty hard for me.
	Like this portal is opening up and I'm just seeing it all again very sort of clearly and vividly, but without that sort of sense of horror and fear, but just more like an anthropologist and an examination.
	And there really are some things that I miss about my early to mid teens, for sure.
	Do you ever see what has the arc of life been like for people as a whole, right?
	Especially as you get older.
	You look up old girlfriends.
	So, especially as you get older, you see the arc so clearly.
	You see the arc so clearly.
	I mean the woman I dated before I got married I mean I guess I wasn't enough for her or you know she wanted I think I remember her saying that that her ideal man was like David Beckham or something like that because you know he's wealthy and handsome and and obviously has a great physique and all of that and I'm like First of all, you know, don't talk about that stuff with boyfriends.
	Like, just ladies as a whole.
	Like, just don't do it.
	Just don't talk about your ideal because then you just obviously, you feel like leftovers.
	You feel like they're settling, right?
	So, she had this ideal and she was older than me.
	And so we ended up, I can't even remember, so long ago now, like a quarter century, I can't really remember how it ended, but it just kind of petered out because she wanted something better.
	Now, of course, I was her last chance for kids, no question of that, right?
	And anyway, so we broke up and I met my wife and got married.
	Anyway so a couple years later I was on a business trip and I ran into her.
	I was on my way to a business trip and I ran into her and she was just doing some customer service job and she glanced at my ring.
	And I just felt this wave of, like, sort of sadness or regret because, you know, she wasn't married and she was just working a dead-end job, not any kind of career, and she was now obviously past the time where she could have kids, and it was like, oof.
	Oof.
	I- CCR were from California, but yes, the sound was called
	Southern.
	Don't know if anyone really knows why.
	They're from California?
	Because they sang in a southern accent, right?
	You better learn it fast, you better learn it, right?
	It's interesting.
	Maybe the family was southern?
	The family background?
	Because they sang with a southern accent, right?
	And the themes, a fortunate son, right?
	is a southern theme which is regret about the military because the military
	in America generally comes from the south which is why when you lose the south you
	lose your military which is why alienating the south which is what democrats seem to want to do is a form of
	crippling the military but anyway
	down on the corner is a southern yeah so it is uh... it's very sad
	It's very sad.
	And for women, of course.
	I mean, Kevin Samuels is really good at unpacking this sort of regret stuff.
	Personally, I like ex-boyfriends to have a wonderful life with a wonderful wife and kids.
	Otherwise, I'd worry I had ruined their life.
	Yeah, I don't want that.
	I want people who hurt me to fail in life and I take satisfaction when they do.
	I take a certain amount of pleasure when people who've done me great harm fall upon hard times.
	Sure, sure.
	I don't have any particular opinion about that in myself.
	It's just something that I note.
	Now, it's funny because it's not like I desperately want bad things to happen to them.
	It's not like I check up on them or whatever.
	But if I hear, oh, you know, so-and-so was really mean to me, and now this bad thing has happened, I'm like, oh, that's all right.
	I'm fine with that.
	That's good.
	So what are people saying?
	But you understand, if ex-boyfriends have a wonderful life with wonderful wife and kids, then they're capable of that, just weren't with you, right?
	Which is not great for you.
	I checked on a lady from college who rejected me, she's now a single mom.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's worse, my best friend who was a single soul with mine from the age of six is now someone who says things like, well this generation is full of asshole kids so maybe they need the spanking.
	And I've tried to share all the information about peaceful parenting with her and it feels like she gets bored or confused that it matters to me.
	It's heartbreaking.
	This past week I had a conversation with my older brother who was a minister and shared academic meta-analysis and he got defensive AF.
	But if they turned things around and it became good you would be happy.
	If they turned things around and became good, you would be happy?
	Well, I mean, I had a conversation some months ago with a fellow who had a big hate on for me and trolled me for years and then he had turned around and I'm certainly happier if people turn things around but it doesn't undo the damage.
	Right?
	This is why you don't do bad things, or if you do, you catch yourself and fix it right away.
	Because you can't undo the damage.
	Honestly, I think I hurt Mac's boyfriends more than they hurt me, so maybe that's the difference.
	Yeah, when Kevin Samuels died, many people celebrated his death.
	yeah for sure.
	Yeah Kevin Samuels is I mean an amazing man and I've learned a huge amount from him and I listened to him for
	quite a while off and on and you know a very very good debater, very firm, very clear, fantastic communicator and a wildly
	original thinker to me right.
	Right?
	So he's like, well, women decide who gets born, and women decide who gets sex, but men decide who gets married.
	I mean, that's like a thunderclap, right?
	That is a thunderclap.
	It was like that song, Bet you don't, bet you don't, bet you don't like your life.
	You got two fat children and a drunken man.
	Yeah.
	Um...
	Some people say he scripted his phone calls.
	Do you think it matters in the end?
	I don't think that he scripted his phone calls.
	Look, I'm somebody who has live conversations with thousands of people over the years.
	I do not in a million years think that those phone calls were scripted.
	You don't need to.
	You don't need to.
	But of course, you know, so here's, I don't mean to summarize Kevin Samuels, who's a, you know, very deep, rich and complex thinker, but one of his arguments, first of all, female accountability was really important, and he has a way of reversing things that's just wild, right?
	So, a woman who's, the typical scenario would be a woman who's a single mother And who's, you know, 37.
	She's got two kids by two different guys.
	She calls in and she says, I want to have more kids and I want a guy who makes $200,000 a year.
	And his argument, he'd say the same three questions, right?
	How old are you?
	What's your dress size?
	How much did you weigh the last time you weighed yourself?
	And most of the callers, they weigh more than me, right?
	And he would say, you can't get better than your baby daddy.
	Like the baby daddy, that's the bar, right?
	Like you can't ask for more than your baby daddy.
	Because he's the guy you gave your youth and your womb and your beauty and your fertility to and you gave him the biggest gift you can give a man which is to bear him a child.
	So that is your standard and now you have his kid you can't get better than him and you're lucky to get as good as him because you're gonna ask another man to raise your own kids and he talked about how if you know if there's a daughter involved and the stepfather's in there could be false allegations if the daughter gets really mad at the stepfather or something like that so So for him, trying to get women to take accountability for the bad choices.
	So the women say, well, this is unfair, right?
	And he's like, so it's unfair that I have to lower my standards.
	And he would say, well, but you like unfairness when it suits you, right?
	So if you get married, sorry, if you get pregnant, you can choose to abort that kid.
	And the dad can't say a goddamn thing about it.
	And you like having that freedom, is that fair on the man?
	That you can just go and abort his kid and he can say nothing about it?
	So you like that unfairness, you don't dislike the other unfairness, so let's not talk about unfairness.
	Just such a precise and deliberate thinker and a very strong man, just in terms of his assertiveness and all of that.
	So I mean a few things.
	I disagree with him about it but it doesn't really matter in particular because he was actually out there speaking for men and he had an incredibly deep and robust analysis of modern sexual, dating, romantic and reproductive relationships.
	He had actually kept up with all of these things and of course a wildly success.
	He was worth millions of dollars because he would charge like $900 an hour for some, I think, for his image consulting business and so on.
	So he was very good.
	All right.
	In the past I hesitated to ask out girls and other times I asked out girls who rejected me.
	The sting of pain from hesitation is larger than the sting from getting rejected outright.
	I used to hang out in America's Amiris community, friend of Kevin's and they hosted shows together
	but I realized the community was not uplifting.
	Nothing I could do to help and did not want to be pulled down, never got deep into topics like here.
	Yeah, I mean Kevin Samuels also had a pretty good analysis.
	So he would say repeatedly like 51% of black men are childless and in the middle class.
	51% of black men are childless and in the middle class.
	And then you'd say 30% of black men are married.
	And so for the single moms, like 80% of black children were coming from 10 to 20% of unstable men.
	I mean, that's, I can't tell you how catastrophic that is in any community.
	For the least stable and reliable men to be fathering 80% of the children.
	And you know, he got into genetics talk that was pretty hair-raising and I can understand why people would get upset, right?
	So yeah he was very blunt and spoke to what men instinctively feel but generally cannot express and that is a very powerful thing and he did I think a lot of good but you can't do a lot of good in this world without hurting a hell of a lot of people and it's not the purpose of course right?
	So he can't do the good that he was doing in his community It's like once you figure out that smoking gets people killed, you have to communicate to people how dangerous smoking is, right?
	You have to say to people, smoking is really, really, really dangerous.
	You're gonna, you know, one out of two smokers are gonna die from smoking.
	Now what that does is it gets people to quit.
	It gets people to stop starting smoking.
	But what does it do?
	You know, when the smoking data finally came out, after it was suppressed for many years, in the 1950s, people freaked out!
	They got mad at their doctors, they got mad at the media, they got mad at everyone.
	They're mad at the big tobacco companies.
	So you can't get people to quit smoking or to not start smoking without seriously harming the peace of mind of hundreds of millions of smokers.
	So some guy who's been smoking a pack a day since he was 20 and now he's 60, he's probably screwed.
	I'm no doctor, but I would not put a lot of money on his odds of doing well.
	So what you can do is you can say, well, we won't talk about how dangerous smoking is because it's really going to be upsetting to people who've already damaged themselves through smoking.
	They're going to freak out, they're not going to be able to sleep, they're going to be upset, they'll be angry, frustrated, tense.
	So people who've already made the bad decisions, once you talk about how bad those decisions are, you can.
	It's the only way to get people from stopping, starting smoking or quitting smoking, is to say about how deadly smoking is.
	But what about all the people who've been smoking forever?
	They're gonna freak out, they're gonna be upset, they're gonna be angry.
	So with Kevin Samuels, or I guess me, I was doing single mom stuff like 15 years ago, right?
	Thank you.
	The truth about single moms was a long time ago.
	So when you talk about how bad a deal single motherhood is for dads, stepdads, when you talk about, like Kevin Samuels would say, so there was a woman who's got a kid and she wants two more kids, says okay so a man comes and is he going to be able to spend money on his own kids without spending money on your kid, right?
	Remember his example, he says you come home, kids, it was the kids, right?
	He said you come home Where the pizza got 12 slices, right?
	3 slices for him, 3 slices for you, 3 slices for his son, 3 slices for his daughter, and your daughter gets none.
	Would that be okay?
	No, that would not be okay.
	Okay, so he's taken money out of his own children's mouths to give to your kid.
	It's not a good deal.
	And so how do you get women to stop being single mothers without hurting the feelings of the existing single mothers?
	You can't.
	To do good in the world means that you're going to hurt people and there's no way around it.
	And then everyone gets mad at the moralists for hurting people and it's like, but nobody Nobody says we should have shut up about smoking because it upset the smokers.
	Right?
	I mean when slavery was ended, thank the Lord above, when slavery was ended it really upset the slave owners and the slave catchers and the slave traders and the slave shippers.
	Every moral advancement defines people as immoral and makes them feel bad.
	Does that mean we should not advance the morality of the species because people will be upset?
	But of course we have a gynocracy to a large degree through democracy which is always the case because women outlive men and outvote men.
	So we have a gynocracy which means bad feelings That which causes bad feelings is the bad.
	That which makes people feel bad is the bad.
	Immorality is discomfort and unpleasant emotions.
	Which means that we have moral regression.
	Moral progress is when we say the morality of mankind must advance and if it upsets people that's an unfortunate side effect but we must advance.
	We have these moral luddites that say, well, moral advancement makes me feel bad, therefore it's bad.
	The facts make me feel bad, therefore the facts are immoral, bigoted, whatever, right?
	The facts make me feel bad and we have the genuine belief, it's a genuine belief in society that if you upset people you're a bad person.
	Well, let's be honest.
	If you upset men, you're a bad person.
	And in particular, white men.
	So, if you upset people, you're a bad person.
	Which means that we can't morally progress.
	Because all moral progression makes people feel bad.
	When people start to accept the peaceful parenting paradigm, which will absolutely happen over the next generation, when people absolutely start to affect, they recognize the problem of childism, bigotry against children.
	They recognize that we dehumanize and beat and exploit children.
	The fact that we sell children on the altar of foreign banksters to bribe voters in the here and now.
	The absolute raging bigotry that we have against children.
	The most helpless Victims of society and the beings we say we love the most and care for the most, we exploit and harm and beat and torture the most.
	No question.
	They are the most praised, worst treated class of citizens in all of human history for all time.
	Until very soon.
	And when we finally really get just how appallingly we treat children while claiming to love them and do everything for them, that is going to make a lot of people feel absolutely, seriously fucking terrible.
	The moral numbing of propaganda will be removed and the agony of spirits that accumulate from the mistreatment of the innocent and the helpless and the dependent, the torture of those you have absolute control over, will make people feel nauseous, Raging, suicidal, murderous, right?
	The uncorking of the moral numbing of dehumanization of children and dissociation of word and deed when you connect those things back together.
	Then you say, you know, you care about the vulnerable in society, you should be advocating for the children.
	You care about the excluded and the diminished and the ignored and, oh, you want legal rights?
	Great!
	Great!
	Children.
	It's all about the kids.
	Now, that kind of progress is going to cause the most agony that is conceivable within society as a whole.
	And we've seen this, right?
	I mean, you can see this in reactions to what I've done for many years, right?
	And if we put feelings over virtues, we get moral regression, right?
	Which is why, in general, and it's men too to some degree, but when women gain control, they won't admit that they're wrong.
	They don't want the humility of subjecting themselves, because women have done a significant amount of evil in the world, right?
	Women hit children more, they abuse children more, they neglect children more than men.
	And I don't care about, oh, the ratio, this and the other, it doesn't matter.
	We don't excuse men if they hit women for saying, well men are stronger, therefore, right?
	Yeah, women spend more time around kids, doesn't matter.
	The morals are not ratios, morals are not statistics.
	So the harm that women have done to children needs to be admitted.
	And, you know, harm that men have done, I get all of that, but harm that women have done to children.
	needs to be admitted, but it is going to make them incredibly destabilized.
	The agony is going to be incredibly unpleasant.
	you you
	Not to mention, of course, the agony that is going to occur when women who have not settled down end up facing, I talked about this the other day, when women who have not settled down end up facing the bills for retirement and they don't have the money and they can't get the money because they're too old to get a man who will pay their bills.
	It is really going to be extremely unpleasant.
	Like, society doesn't morally progress without examples of the contrary.
	Like, what happens if you do bad things, stupid things, irresponsible things?
	Well, you're going to have to suffer.
	And nobody wants to be the example, right?
	Nobody wants to be the example that people hold up and say, well, this is why you shouldn't do these things, because look what happened to this person.
	Nobody wants to be that.
	I understand that.
	But without that, we can't progress.
	Oh, you say the black community can't be honest about uncomfortable truths?
	That is not a black community thing.
	That is not a black community thing.
	Alright.
	you The single moms keep getting sex invalidation from society.
	It's a big mess, right?
	Creator Ayla Moon was studying neuroscience and psychology when she
	started an OnlyFans account.
	Her content went viral shortly after she decided to pursue adult content creation full-time.
	And what is also going to happen is when women who've got the short-term, I assume, danger, frack or sexual thrill of either texting or posting sexual content of themselves online and this could be just sending nudes and stuff like that.
	When women realize the price that they will pay among quality men it's going to be brutal.
	Oh man it's going to be brutal.
	Like when the government inflates things away, the government starts to run out of money and so on and women say that they want men who will provide, then there will be a great demand for provider men, right?
	See, men are forced to provide for women through the welfare state, involuntarily forced to provide for women.
	And when the government begins to run out of money, and this can happen in any number of ways, we've talked about this before, most likely inflation, then the women will start swarming the provider men.
	Women don't need to swarm the provider men now, because they don't really think about retirement, which is another thing that Kevin Samuels was constantly talking about.
	So women will start to swarm the provider men.
	In other words, the provider men, men who can provide and protect in a situation of economic instability.
	This is the whole plot of my novel The Present.
	So, men who can provide and protect in an unstable political and socio-economic situation, those men will be swarmed by women and those men will have their pick.
	Those men will have their pick.
	Now, any liability will exclude the women, right?
	So women will now be desperate to hide any negatives, right?
	They will be desperate to hide, but the Internet is forever, the Internet never forgets, and so on, right?
	And Also because there'll be such great value in men being providers that men will also blackmail women and saying, some men will blackmail women saying I will release your photos or I will repost your videos if you don't pay me.
	I mean, to say it's ugly, it's ugly, but that is the way that things will work.
	So when women are then desperate for providers, they will intensely regret all the negative
	things that they did, right?
	So if they've done posts, and I don't know, it's amazing to me that people do this stuff, but I guess we're just so removed from reality by the psychotic inducing, psychosis inducing debt.
	Debt produces psychosis, the disconnect from reality.
	So, women will then start to swarm the provider men and the provider men will say, okay, well, and there'll be services set up to this.
	How do you vet a woman, right?
	Because we don't have these services because men are asking and women are deciding, right?
	So, women are in demand, men are not.
	When the economy begins to go tits up, I guess women go tits up too, but when the Economy begins to go tits up then men will be highly in demand and services will almost immediately spring up and this is what I would do if I was still in the entrepreneurial world is
	Using all public information, all public information, nothing else, right?
	Public tweets and posts and Facebook and that, and say, okay, vet this girl, right?
	Has she posted stuff about how she hates men?
	Has she posted stuff about the patriarchy?
	Has she posted stuff about being a strong independent woman who don't need no man?
	Has she?
	Like all this kind of stuff, right?
	And it'd be just like, okay, because when men are in demand, Men are going to vet and women are going to completely freak out about all the stupid woke crap they've posted and all of the nonsense and the nudity and the nude pics and the videos and like all of this stuff is just going to be disqualifying for a quality man.
	And, you know, maybe she can lose weight, but was she ever overweight?
	And did she only lost weight because she needs a man, right?
	In which case, she'll probably go back after, right?
	A woman who's been significantly overweight, to me, is always kind of the fat cells are forever, right?
	Almost, right?
	The fat cells are forever.
	They're just waiting to be react, like sleeper cells, right?
	They're just waiting to be reactivated by pregnancy or whatever it is, right?
	So it's going to go back, right?
	This is the exact same example I gave my brother about spanking.
	I told him, my dad smokes and telling him it's bad for him, is that because you're critical of him or because you love him?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	People can't handle bad feelings, which means they can't grow as people, because excellence is simply the capacity To survive suffering.
	That's all excellence is.
	All excellence is is the capacity to survive and even flourish from suffering.
	I mean if you want to be a top athlete you need to train and survive massive amounts of suffering.
	I mean you talk to athletes and they're like well why did you quit?
	I couldn't do another season of training.
	I just couldn't do it.
	I mean, if you look at movie stars, they work out, they constantly, like the guys who are doing Top Gun, they filmed their scenes where they're all totally ripped and then they realized that the lighting was bad, they had to redo it and they're like, I can't do another two weeks of this.
	They ended up doing it, but the amount of suffering that is required for excellence is so enormous that if you can't handle suffering, you can't get good at anything.
	Right?
	Every advancement makes you feel like an idiot.
	When you start to learn a new language, you feel like an idiot.
	When you start to morally improve, you feel like a bad person.
	Because relative to where you want to morally improve to, you are a bad person.
	Because if you achieved that and fell back, that would be a backslide.
	Thank you for the tips.
	I appreciate that.
	Do you think we will go full communist when all the single women age out and are forced
	to be accountable?
	I...
	I think we will.
	I... I...
	It's going to be brutal.
	It's going to be brutal.
	We've never had a single woman generation retire before Gen X do not seem at all prepared for retirement.
	No, they're not.
	They're not.
	And the other thing, too, is that, I mean, why do you need, I mean, this is blindingly obvious, right?
	Why do you need student loan debt forgiveness?
	Why?
	Because, you see, the student loans were supposed to be massively positive for the economy as a whole.
	Student loans were supposed to be just massively positive for the economy as a whole.
	And why do you need student loan debt forgiveness?
	because women take impractical degrees.
	Recently did not pursue a woman after seeing she had a huge back tattoo on her
	Yeah, for sure.
	Tattoos to me a total red flag.
	I've never ever dated a woman with a tattoo, not even a tiny one.
	Wouldn't you couldn't pay me enough Yeah, I know it's
	It's horrible And, you know, I mean, philosophy can't solve it.
	That's why I'm sort of out of politics and philosophy.
	Okay, what's your opinion on attending high school reunions?
	I only attended one by accident.
	I just happened to be hanging out with a friend of mine.
	We were near the high school.
	There happened to be a reunion, so we went.
	I thought it was interesting.
	I'm glad I went.
	Because it was interesting to see just how constant personality is.
	It helps you just accept your own self when you realize how much of it is just right.
	What's the student loan debt?
	A trillion if negative.
	Oh yeah, it's a trillion plus.
	And I mean, you know, the more free women become, the more they choose traditionally female occupations.
	Of course, and the less they choose the most traditional female occupation, which is actually having children.
	Very sad.
	But it's more fun for a woman to be wooed than to do the hard work of actually having and raising children.
	It's more fun to go out for dinner and be taken to clubs and go discoing and go on little getaways to an island for the weekend and have lots of sex.
	I mean that's way more fun than childbirth and breastfeeding and being up three times a night because your baby needs something.
	Wooing is infinitely more enjoyable, at least in the short run, and so women just jump from wooing to wooing.
	right? That's what they do.
	Women like to be wooed
	but the actual job of settling down committing to a man
	Having children, you know, I mean, it's tough on your sleep, it's tough on your figure, it's hard work, it's demanding, it's, you know, I mean, I've been a stay-at-home dad for 15 years, right?
	It's a lot of work.
	It's great, no question.
	I wouldn't trade it for the world.
	It's a lot of work.
	So yeah, it's just, it's a lot more fun to get swipes on Tinder and to go out for coffees and to be taken out for dinner and have men drooling all over you and wanting you and then taking you away for the weekend and it's just way more fun, lots of sex and it's like, Okay.
	It's like living like a shallow, foolish person.
	Okay, I get that.
	It's living like a child who doesn't know when to stop eating candy, but... With a trillion dollars we could have colonies on Mars, but nope.
	We have experts in basket-weaving and musical chairs, yeah.
	How much does it cost on average for a private call-in?
	Well, I'm starting off low.
	The price is going to go up.
	Just go to freedomain.com slash call and it's booked up for a while, but I'm sure we can get something done for you, but it depends.
	I can't really say on average.
	Some people are shorter, some people are longer.
	Yeah, so freedomain.com slash call.
	But I can tell you that, I mean, I've asked people nicely, of course, for, you know, tell me what you think of the call, and you can read some of the testimonials, and they're amazing.
	It's incredible stuff.
	Every new community I join, eventually the convo turns into drug talk.
	Pretty black-pilling.
	Oh, God.
	I've never been around a community like that.
	Was the reunion recent?
	No, no, no.
	It's like 30 years ago.
	I've been thinking about how the beginning part of a relationship is much
	easier than being a wife and mother.
	Is it the same for men?
	Well, yeah, so for men it's different.
	So for men what happens is you don't grow up till you become a dad.
	You know, don't get mad at me, I don't make the rules, but as a man you don't really grow up until you become a dad because you grow up when you're responsible for other people.
	Well, if it's just about you, then you're like a toddler.
	Toddlers, it's just about them.
	And I say this with all humility and I didn't become a father till I was 39 or 40.
	And so, not by choice, but just by the way it played out.
	So, for men, once you become responsible for A family, you are a man.
	Because the whole point of being a man is to protect and provide for your wife and children.
	That's why there is a man and that's why there is a woman, right?
	To protect and provide.
	So you do not become a man, in other words, fulfill the purpose of masculinity until you protect and provide for your wife and children.
	And a lot of people are very much, it's the lost boys thing, right?
	The Peter Pan syndrome, like a lot of people, men and women, are seduced by all the things that are supposed to lead up to the assumption of responsibility except for actually assuming the responsibility.
	It's like if people flew you all over the place for your job interviews and put you up in nice hotels and so on and you just kept going to job interviews and never actually taking a job, I guess you get some fun travel in and so on, but it's kind of, you're ripping people off.
	Because if you're not intending to take the job, then taking the money is just stealing from companies.
	It's just stealing from people, right?
	You understand, right?
	It's just stealing from people.
	And in the same way, if a woman is not particularly attracted to man, isn't looking to get married and have kids, then going out on dates is just kind of stealing from the future.
	Because if you were honest, like if some place wanted to fly you out for a job interview and spend a thousand dollars to get you out there, put you up in a nice hotel or two thousand dollars or whatever and you said ahead of time, I'm never going to take a job with you, they wouldn't, right?
	They wouldn't fly you out.
	So it's just a huge amount of deception and childishness.
	Steph, I don't understand why even tiny tattoos are such a red flag.
	Could you elaborate on this or did you do a show on this in the past?
	Okay, so just look up the relationship between tattoos and IQ.
	Most girls get tattoos out of peer pressure, even most guys.
	So tattoos are painful.
	They are a lack of empathy to your future self.
	I mean, I don't know, if you want to get some stupid tattoo, go get a henna tattoo on vacation and it washes off after a couple of weeks, right?
	Don't get some permanent stupid thing inked on your actual perfect flesh.
	So it's a lack of empathy for your future self, it's a susceptibility to peer pressure.
	Now susceptibility to peer pressure is a huge red flag in men and in women but particularly in women who are more prone to groupthink.
	If you're susceptible as a woman to peer pressure then what's going to happen is at some point you're going to meet a woman who's gone through a divorce, you're going to meet a woman who's going through a breakup as a woman, as a wife.
	You're going to meet a woman who's a feminist, you're going to meet a woman who's a boss babe, you're going to meet a woman who's just going to roll her eyes, oh you're just a stay-at-home mother, oh my god what a broodmare, you know, and she's going to, oh it's going to hurt because she's susceptible to peer pressure.
	Susceptibility to peer pressure makes for a very bad wife to any man who's an independent thinker because she's going to get influenced by somebody outside the marriage and it's going to fuck the marriage up and you'll be absolutely helpless to do it.
	A tattoo is not something you choose for yourself.
	It's something the tribe chooses to stamp upon you to show your conformity to the tribe.
	It's branding by the collective.
	It's not an individual choice.
	Who on earth would choose that individually?
	Hey, I'm going to go and get permanent painful ink stains on my body.
	Like, it just makes no sense.
	So it is a stamp that the collective hive mind puts on individuals.
	And it means that they will undergo severe pain and permanent injury, right?
	A tattoo is an injury.
	They get permanent injury and temporary pain, permanent injury for the sake of conformity.
	It also means they could be masochistic.
	Maybe they enjoy the pain.
	But it means that they'll go through great pain in order to conform to some stupid social norm, which means that they can't be relied upon to resist social impulses.
	All marriages will go through a period where people are trying to wreck the marriage.
	I understand.
	Every single one of you, and if you're honest, there's going to be, you know, over the course of a long marriage, there's going to be someone or more than one person who's going to want to break up the marriage.
	They may be not explicit about it, they may not be direct about it, they may not even act on it that much, but there's going to be somebody who's hurt and upset and negative towards your marriage.
	I mean, the attacks on me, to a large degree, the attack upon my marriage, right?
	So, there are going to be people, and the more good you do, and the more honest you are, the more moral you are, the more virtuous you are, in other words, the more that you do things for which you will be loved, the more people will try to break up your marriage, the more people will attack your marriage, and if you have a conformist who's willing to undergo a permanent injury for the sake of social conformity, she's going to crumble in the face of that pressure against your marriage.
	Yeah, ear piercings.
	I don't care.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's fine.
	Most people who get tattoos do a lot of drugs as well.
	I assume so, right?
	A lot of people who get tattoos are addicted to the painful experience and enjoy the high of being tattooed.
	But it's a form of self-harm, right?
	And literally is a form of self-harm.
	I mean, if there's a woman who cut herself, would you want to marry her?
	It is a form of self-harm.
	Tattoos also become a part of your lymphatic system.
	I don't know about that, but I'm not going to argue.
	Leviticus forbids marking the skin, yeah.
	Bye.
	Yeah, honestly, a little bit ear-piercing, I could care less, right?
	I mean, it's a little jab, it doesn't hurt for more than a second or two, and it's not a permanent marker, right?
	You don't wear it, it just grows over, right?
	So, it's not the same.
	All right, any other last questions?
	My tips, man, my tips, my tips, my tips, my humps, and my tips.
	freedomain.com slash donate to help out the show.
	I actually have a question that I've been mulling over.
	Where is the line between your friends should have intervened in a bad relationship and I refuse to let anyone tear into my relationship and protect it against outsiders?
	If it's a good relationship, then people who are trying to harm it are bad people.
	Yeah, nose rings are not good.
	Tongue rings are appalling.
	I think that's just some weird oral sex fetish thing, so...
	Nose rings or body mod earrings?
	I don't know about body mod earrings.
	I wouldn't outdate a woman with a nose string.
	I mean, that's what cattle have.
	I mean, the women who do this, they're doing you a huge favor.
	God, are they helping you out?
	Are they helping you not waste your time?
	Imagine if people had bought Bitcoin with all the money they spent and wasted on tattoos.
	Yeah, it can be very expensive, right?
	Jim Morrison was, quote, Southern.
	His father's roots were Georgia, but he was a military brat himself.
	Yes, and raped as a child.
	Jim Morrison was raped as a child, which is why he killed himself as a young man.
	And she has nipple rings.
	Oh God, I can't even imagine.
	You're still doing regular call-ins?
	Yeah, I'm still doing regular call-ins.
	All right.
	Well, thanks, everybody, for your time today.
	Really, really appreciate it.
	Thank you, of course, to Izzy for dropping by if you have found this enjoyable and useful.
	But how do you know the difference when you're in the relationship?
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